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    25
    Oct
    2012
    11:41pm, EDT

    Biden eulogizes McGovern, says he's also tired of 'old men dreaming up wars'

    M. Spencer Green / Pool via Reuters

    Vice President Joe Biden speaks at a prayer service for former Senator George McGovern at the First United Methodist Church in Sioux Falls, South Dakota on Thursday.

    By NBC's Carrie Dann

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    SIOUX FALLS, S.D. – Lamenting the "beating" taken by the late Sen. George McGovern because of his vehement opposition to the Vietnam War, Vice President Joe Biden remembered the deceased 1972 Democratic nominee Thursday night as "the father of the modern Democratic Party."

    Speaking at an intimate Sioux Falls prayer service for McGovern, who died Sunday at the age of 90, Biden called him "a hero" whose courage to speak against the war inspired a generation.

    "Your father stood there and took all that beating," Biden told McGovern's children. "Your father was characterized by these right-wing guys as a coward, unwilling to fight. Your father was a genuine hero."


    The vice president recalled McGovern's statement that he was tired of "old men dreaming up wars for young men to die in," adding in a hoarse and emotional tone, "I still feel the same way."

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    The former Democratic Sen. George McGovern, who lost the 1972 presidential election to Richard Nixon and gained fame throughout his career for his devotion to fighting hunger and opposing war.

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    McGovern, whose 1972 rout by Richard Nixon was a low point in Democratic electoral politics, served with Biden in the Senate for eight years. His subsequent work to fight hunger won him international praise.

    Biden said that, while many had asked him how he could come to the decidedly non-swing-state of South Dakota for the service when the presidential election was mere days away, that the question to him should be, "How could you not come?"

    The VP's remarks were not devoid of Bidenisms. At one point, he apologized to the assembled priests for saying that his extensive years in the Senate were "a hell of an indictment." Laughter ensued as he crossed himself reverently.

    And he couldn't resist tying in his recent performance in a heavily publicized debate against Paul Ryan.

    "It was a great honor to serve with your dad," he told McGovern's children. "It was a great honor to know your dad. It was a great compliment when (McGovern's grandson) Matt told me his grandfather watched my debate with Paul Ryan and said "I wanna call Joe."

    (An aide says that the two men did not end up speaking after the debate, as McGovern was so close to the end of his life.)

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    Godspeed Senator McGovern. You were a true American hero and patriot in both war & peace. A gentle warrior who rarely mentioned his wartime exploits and went about his business after the war with the same quiet determination.

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  • 27
    Apr
    2012
    4:24am, EDT

    Sources: Scant evidence 'torture' helped war on terror, Senate probe finds

    By Reuters

    WASHINGTON - A nearly three-year-long investigation by Senate Intelligence Committee Democrats is expected to find there is little evidence the harsh "enhanced interrogation techniques" the CIA used on high-value prisoners produced counter-terrorism breakthroughs.

    People familiar with the inquiry said committee investigators, who have been poring over records from the administration of President George W. Bush, believe they do not substantiate claims by some Bush supporters that the harsh interrogations led to counter-terrorism coups.


    The backers of such techniques, which include "water-boarding," sleep deprivation and other practices critics call torture, maintain they have led to the disruption of major terror plots and the capture of al-Qaida leaders.

    One official said investigators found "no evidence" such enhanced interrogations played "any significant role" in the years-long intelligence operations which led to the discovery and killing of Osama bin Laden last May by U.S. Navy SEALs.

    'Tortured' Gitmo prisoner seeks release of secret videos

    The debate over the effectiveness of enhanced interrogations, which human rights advocates condemn as torture, is resurfacing in part because of a new book by a former top CIA official.

    In the book, "Hard Measures," due to be published on Monday, the former chief of CIA clandestine operations Jose Rodriguez defends the use of interrogation practices including water-boarding, which involves pouring water on a subject's face, which is covered with a cloth, to simulate drowning.

    Slideshow: Life goes on in Guantanamo

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    President Obama's one-year deadline to close the facility has long passed as shutting it down has proven complicated and controversial.

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    "We made some al-Qaida terrorists with American blood on their hands uncomfortable for a few days," Rodriguez says in an interview with CBS News' "60 Minutes" that will air on Sunday. "I am very secure in what we did and am very confident that what we did saved American lives."

    Expert: War on terror at 'critical' point as al-Qaida looks to regroup in Africa

    For nearly three years, the Senate intelligence committee's majority Democrats have been conducting what is described as the first systematic investigation of the effectiveness of such extreme interrogation techniques.

    The CIA gave the committee access to millions of pages of written records charting daily operations of the interrogation program, including graphic descriptions of how and when controversial techniques were employed.

    The wives and children of Osama bin Laden are taken to a chartered flight out of Islamabad after being deported to Saudi Arabia.

    Sources agreed to discuss the matter on condition of anonymity because the report has not been finalized.

    The committee members' objective is to conduct a methodical assessment of whether enhanced interrogation techniques led to genuine intelligence breakthroughs or whether they produced more false leads than good ones.

    Report: Bin Laden told followers to kill Obama, Petraeus

    U.S. intelligence officials have acknowledged that while the harshest elements of the interrogation program, including water-boarding and other tactics which cause severe physical stress, were in use, the CIA never carried out a scientific assessment of the program's effectiveness.

    The Bush Administration only used water-boarding on three captured suspects. One of them was Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, the mastermind of the September 11, 2001 attacks.

    Slideshow: After the raid: Inside bin Laden's compound

    Farooq Naeem / AFP - Getty Images

    U.S. forces found and killed the al-Qaida leader in the affluent Pakistani town of Abbottabad, where he had been living in a large compound.

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    Other coercive techniques included sleep deprivation, making people crouch or stretch in stressful positions and slamming detainees against a flexible wall.

    The CIA started backing away from such techniques in 2004. Obama banned them shortly after taking office.

    One source cautioned there could still be lengthy delays before any information or conclusions from the Senate committee's report are made public.

    Hidden in plain sight: Inside a secret CIA prison

    One reason the inquiry has taken so long is that in 2009, committee Republicans withdrew their participation, saying the panel would be unable to interview witnesses to ensure documentary material was reported in appropriate context due to ongoing criminal investigations.

    Current and former U.S. officials have said one key source for information about the existence of the al-Qaida "courier" who ultimately led U.S. intelligence to bin Laden was Khalid Sheikh Mohammed.

    KSM, as he was known to U.S. officials, was subjected to water-boarding 183 times, the U.S. government has acknowledged.

    Officials said, however, that it was not until some time after he was water-boarded that KSM told interrogators about the courier's existence. Therefore a direct link between the physically coercive techniques and critical information is unproven, Bush administration critics say.

    Supporters of the CIA program, including former Vice President Dick Cheney, have portrayed it as a necessary, if distasteful, step that may have stopped extremist plots and saved lives. 

    Former Vice President Dick Cheney discusses his new memoir, "In My Time," with TODAY's Matt Lauer. In the exclusive interview, Cheney defends the Iraq war, says waterboarding "worked" and tells Lauer the greatest achievement of the Bush administration was preventing further attacks on U.S. soil after 9/11.

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