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    7
    Apr
    2013
    11:12pm, EDT

    LGBT activists jump into immigration fray, seeking same-sex partner protections, rights

    By Carrie Dann, Political Reporter, NBC News

    Petitioning to come to the United States as a foreign national is complicated. There’s visa paperwork, quotas in many cases, and lengthy wait times. One misstep could mean a lengthy separation from your loved ones.

    And that's just for straight people. 

    As pro-reform interest groups prepare to fight for their specific priorities in pending immigration reform legislation, LGBT activists aren’t standing on the sidelines.

    “There is a shared struggle among the immigrant and the LGBT communities,” said Steve Ralls of Immigration Equality, an organization that offers legal aid to LGBT immigrants. “There is a growing recognition that if we can get fair immigration reform through Congress we can work on a lot of issues together moving forward.”

    Gay rights activists say there are several fronts in the immigration fight -- from specific provisions for gay Americans and permanent residents seeking to bring a non-citizen partner to the country, to protections for undocumented LGBT individuals, to a broader call for equal rights.

    “We’re investing in immigration reform because it is a social justice issue and we have a responsibility to advocate for the kind of world we want to live in,” said Maya Rupert, policy director for the National Center for Lesbian Rights. “But beyond that, there are LGBT people who are going to be directly impacted by every provision in the ultimate legislation, so we have to make sure that it’s being done in a way that is inclusive and conscious of their needs.”

    Border security has become one of the most contentious and difficult issues that lawmakers must resolve for a comprehensive immigration deal to be struck. USA Today's Alan Gomez discusses.

    That means both legal and undocumented immigrants, Rupert said.

    The number of LGBT immigrants is difficult to count, but researcher Dr. Gary Gates of UCLA’s Williams Institute used existing Census, Gallup and Pew Research Center data to calculate it. Gates estimates that about 900,000 LGBT immigrants live in the United States. About two-thirds of those are documented -- meaning that they are naturalized citizens, legal permanent residents or holders of a temporary visa. One-third -- about 267,000 -- are undocumented according to the estimate.

    For documented LGBT immigrants, a key provision that activists have focused on is the inclusion of legislation called the Uniting American Families Act (UAFA) in a final comprehensive reform bill.

    Currently, a U.S. citizen or permanent legal resident can petition for a visa for a foreign-born spouse -- but only if the spouse is of the opposite sex. That applies even if the same-sex couple is legally married in another country or in a U.S. state that recognizes gay marriage.

    UAFA would make same-sex spouses or permanent partners of U.S. citizens eligible to petition for a family-based visa.

    (If the Supreme Court finds the Defense of Marriage Act unconstitutional this summer, same-sex binational married couples will likely be able to apply for visas based on their relationship, regardless of where they reside.)

    Activists point to an ally in Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Patrick Leahy, an original Senate sponsor of the UAFA legislation and the head of the panel that will first review a draft immigration bill. The White House also specifically included the provision for same-sex immigrant permanent partners in a January fact sheet outlining the president’s priorities for reform.

    A path to citizenship for undocumented immigrants is also getting heavy support from LGBT groups, who note that a significant portion of undocumented LGBT people in the United States may be here because they faced discrimination in their country of origin.

    “You can imagine the fear that an undocumented person faces with the uncertainty in current law if their deportation would mean the return to a home country where they cannot be out, where they cannot have a relationship or they would be subject to intense persecution,” says Ralls. “So a path to citizenship is critical for all undocumented people, and  for undocumented LGBT people it is in many cases a critical safety issue for them.”

    Public opinion shifting
    Since 1994, the U.S. has classified persecution on the basis of sexual orientation as grounds to seek asylum. But the process can be arduous and confusing, and asylum-seekers have to offer rigorous documentation of hardship. Those whose claims are denied risk deportation.

    Although many Latino groups heavily involved in the immigration reform movement -- including the League of United Latin American Citizens, the National Council de la Raza and the Congressional Hispanic Caucus -- have offered support for the inclusion of LGBT protections in any final legislation, there’s opposition within the Latino community as well as from outside groups.

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    In this March 12, 2013 file photo, Sen. Marco Rubio, R-Fla. speaks on Capitol Hill in Washington.

    In February, Sen. Marco Rubio -- a key player in the Senate Gang of Eight -- said that the inclusion of LGBT protections could hamper passage of the legislation. (Arizona’s Sen. John McCain has echoed that concern as well.)

    "I think if that issue becomes a central issue in the debate it's going to become harder to get it done because there will be strong feelings on both sides,” Rubio said at an event sponsored by Buzzfeed. 

    As recently as a decade ago, the Hispanic and LGBT communities could have been considered quite the opposite of allies.

    In 2006, a Pew Research Center study found that just 31 percent of Hispanics favored allowing gay marriage, compared to 56 percent who opposed it.

    But in 2012, those numbers were almost a mirror image, with 52 percent of Hispanics backing gay marriage and about a third saying they are not in favor of legal marriage for gays and lesbians.

    Amid the legal complications and the data, and regardless of how any final legislation reads, those involved in the issue say that the debate is raising awareness about a long-ignored population.

    “Having a number that indicates that this is a sizable group -- more than 250,000 LGBT undocumented, nearly a million LGBT immigrants -- it’s not so much the overall number that’s important, it’s the fact that there is an estimate,” says Dr. Gates of the Williams Institute. “Unless you’re counted, you tend not to count.”

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    This story was originally published on Sun Apr 7, 2013 4:24 AM EDT

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    This is Satan's world. All this nonsense is expected.

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  • Updated
    15
    Mar
    2013
    7:41pm, EDT

    GOP sea change on gay rights?

    Prominent Republicans have signed a brief supporting the Supreme Court challenge to California's Proposition 8, which banned same-sex marriage. NBC's Andrea Mitchell reports.

    By Michael O'Brien, Political Reporter, NBC News
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    Ohio Republican Sen. Rob Portman's endorsement of same-sex marriage rights on Friday is the latest high-profile example of a sea change within the conservative movement toward gay rights.

    A trickle of GOP leaders have begun to back the rights of gay and lesbian couples to marry, and activists at the conservative movement's signature gathering this week express tolerance for Republicans who support same-sex marriage, even if they personally disagree.

    Portman, an influential senator whom Mitt Romney almost selected last year as his running mate, announced that he had changed his position toward same-sex marriage because one of his sons is gay. 

    "I have come to believe that if two people are prepared to make a lifetime commitment to love and care for each other in good times and in bad, the government shouldn't deny them the opportunity to get married," the Ohio senator wrote in an op-ed for the Columbus Dispatch. 

    He's not the only high-profile Republican to back marriage rights for same-sex couples, either. 

    Jon Huntsman, a GOP presidential candidate in 2012 who had endorsed civil unions, said this year that he supports marriage rights. Furthermore, he framed it in conservative terms. 

    Related: Portman announces his support for same-sex marriage

    "There is nothing conservative about denying other Americans the ability to forge that same relationship with the person they love," he wrote. 

    And Theodore Olson, a former solicitor general for President George W. Bush, has been one of the lead attorneys challenging California's Proposition 8, a ballot initiative barring same-sex marriage in that state. (Portman fretted in his op-ed that a court decision might hamper the political movement toward legalizing gay and lesbian weddings.) 

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    Sen. Rob Portman attends the 2012 Fiscal Summit on May 15, 2012 in Washington.

    And Fred Malek, a Republican power-broker, told NBC News this week that conservatives shouldn't feel threatened by gays and lesbian couples who wish to marry.

    "I've always felt that marriage is between a man and a woman, but other people don't agree with that," he said. "People should be able to live their lives the way they choose. And it's not going to threaten our overall value system or our country to allow gays to marry, if that's what they want to do."

    In response to the Portman endorsement, a spokesman for Republican House Speaker John Boehner said, "Senator Portman is a great friend and ally, and the Speaker respects his position, but the speaker continues to believe that marriage is between a man and a woman."

    It was a sentiment echoed by House Majority Leader Eric Cantor, who said, "As a matter of personal religious conviction, I've always believed in marriage, I believe in the traditional marriage between a man and a woman.  But again, I think Senator Portman is entitled to his positions, and you know we are a party of diversity and, I think, of respect."

    Gay rights is an issue that has changed rapidly in just a few years. President George W. Bush endorsed a constitutional amendment to ban gay marriage, and President Barack Obama had said he did not support same-sex marriage when he was first running for office in 2008. 

    But Obama completed his "evolution" on gay rights (hastened by Vice President Joe Biden's inadvertent pronouncement of support for same-sex marriage) and announced his support for marriage rights last year. Romney had re-iterated his opposition to gay marriage at the time, but declined to use it as a cudgel versus Obama, calling same-sex marriage a "tender" issue. 

    There's still resistance, though, to the issue. Florida Sen. Marco Rubio, R, received a loud cheer on Thursday at this week's Conservative Political Action Conference when he said: "Just because I believe that states should have the right to define marriage in a traditional way does not make me a bigot."

    Nonetheless, the broader change reflects broader public opinion. A plurality of Americans — 47 percent — said they support same-sex marriage, according to a Quinnipiac University poll released earlier this month. Forty-three percent of Americans oppose same-sex marriage. Looking inside of those numbers, independents back marriage rights by a 12-point margin, and nearly a quarter of Republicans — 23 percent — said they support same-sex marriage. 

    But while the GOP has been slower to embrace same-sex marriage, the party's internal struggle toward same-sex marriage was on display this week at CPAC.

    While a gay Republican group, GOProud, was formally barred from sponsoring CPAC this year, an informal discussion organized by conservatives who support same-sex marriage was one of the most popular on the confab's first day. 

    Prominent Ohio conservative Sen. Rob Portman, once considered for Mitt Romney's running mate, is speaking out about gay marriage in support of his son, who is gay.

    The split is undeniably generational, too; young conservatives here at CPAC are much more inclined to support same-sex marriage, even if they don't personally support it.

    "I would say that the majority of my friends — it's not so much that we agree with it, it's just that we don't care," said Gabe Snyder, a 20-year-old college student from North Carolina in attendance at CPAC. He said he personally opposes same-sex marriage, but believed that a generational change was afoot.

    "I think this generation coming up is going to be different from our parents," said Snyder.

    And Renee Knight Leberry, from South Carolina, who also personally opposes same-sex marriage, said that she didn't think Portman's conservative credentials were diminished at all by his pronouncement on Friday.

    "I respect him; it's his choice, and as a Christian conservative, I respect anybody's choice. That's his son, and he loves his son. I don't think it would be right to judge him for supporting his son."

    This story was originally published on Fri Mar 15, 2013 10:48 AM EDT

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    I would consider myself pretty conservative and peronally could care less about what people do in their bedrooms.

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  • Updated
    15
    Mar
    2013
    1:42pm, EDT

    GOP's Rob Portman announces support for same-sex marriage

    Jay Laprete / AP file

    Sen. Rob Portman at left, rides with his son, Will, in Ohio on Aug. 11, 2012.

    By Matthew DeLuca, Staff Writer, NBC News

    Republican Senator Rob Portman has announced his support for same-sex marriage, saying he reversed his position on the divisive social issue after his son came out as gay.

    “I have come to believe that if two people are prepared to make a lifetime commitment to love and care for each other in good times and in bad, the government shouldn't deny them the opportunity to get married,” Portman wrote in an op-ed published Friday in the Columbus Dispatch.

    “That isn’t how I’ve always felt. As a congressman, and more recently as a senator, I opposed marriage for same-sex couples. Then something happened that led me to think through my position in a much deeper way," Portman wrote in the op-ed.

    The decision came after long consideration, the Ohio lawmaker told newspapers from his home state on Thursday. Portman’s 21-year-old son Will, who is a junior at Yale University, discussed his sexual orientation with Portman and his wife in 2011, the senator said.


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    His son said that his sexuality was “not a choice, it was who he is and that he had been that way since he could remember,” Portman told Cleveland.com during an interview in his Washington, D.C. office.

    “It allowed me to think of this from a new perspective, and that’s of a dad who loves his son a lot and wants him to have the same opportunities that his brother and sister would have – to have a relationship like Jane and I have had for over 26 years,” Portman told reporters during that interview.

    Portman’s changed stance comes amid spreading support for same-sex marriage. Forty-eight percent of Americans supported same-sex marriage in 2012, up from 35 percent a decade ago, according to a Pew Research Center analysis from Dec. 2012.

    Jeff Swinger / The Cincinnati Enquirer via AP, file

    U.S. Sen. Rob Portman is greeted by his daughter Sally, left, and son Will after finishing the Paddlefest, an annual Cincinnati event, on Saturday, June 23, 2012.

    Arguments challenging a section of the Defense of Marriage Act, which Portman voted for in 1996, and the California constitutional provision that limits marriage to one man-one woman unions, are due to be heard before the Supreme Court later this month.

    Portman called Speaker of the House John Boehner to tell Boehner of his decision to support same-sex marriage.

    “Senator Portman is a great friend and ally, and the Speaker respects his position, but the Speaker continues to believe that marriage is between a man and a woman,” said Michael Steel, a spokesman for Boehner.

    In his commentary for the Columbus Dispatch, Portman said, “The process of citizens persuading fellow citizens is how consensus is built and enduring change is forged. That’s why I believe change should come about through the democratic process in the states. Judicial intervention from Washington would circumvent that process as it’s moving in the direction of recognizing marriage for same-sex couples. An expansive court ruling would run the risk of deepening divisions rather than resolving them.”

    Ohio voters adopted an amendment to the state constitution in 2004 that said only a marriage between one man and one woman would be legally recognized in the state. The measure passed with 62 percent of the vote. According to Cleveland.com, Portman said that if Ohio voters were to reconsider that constitutional provision, “he might support it, depending on its wording ... .”

    Portman was considered a potential vice presidential candidate to run with Mitt Romney in the last presidential election, and acted as a surrogate for the Romney campaign in the important swing state of Ohio.

    Prominent Ohio conservative Senator Rob Portman, once considered for Mitt Romney's running mate, is speaking out about gay marriage in support of his son, who is gay, just as Romney gets set to give his first public speech since the election today. NBC's Peter Alexander reports.

    Portman told Romney that his son was gay, the senator said in an interview with CNN  that aired Friday.

    “I told Mitt Romney everything,” Portman said of the vetting he underwent last year. “That process is, intrusive would be one way to put it. But, no, yeah, I told him everything.”

    Mitt Romney adviser Beth Myers, who led the vice presidential vetting process, confirmed to NBC News Friday morning that that the campaign was aware Sen. Rob Portman's son was gay as they vetted him for the number 2 job – but that the situation played "no role whatsoever" in Romney's decision about who to pick as his running mate.

    "It did not play a role," she said. Myers said that Portman told the campaign about the fact that his son was gay.

    Myers said Portman called her on Thursday evening to tell her about his decision to switch his position and come out in support of gay marriage.

    In the interview with Cleveland.com, Portman said that he believes the issue of same-sex marriage is “more generational than it is partisan.” He said that former Vice President Dick Cheney, whose daughter is a lesbian, told him to “do the right thing, follow your heart.”

    Portman said he also considered his Christian faith, which led him to decide that “in a way, this strengthens the institution of marriage.”

    “The overriding message of love and compassion that I take from the Bible, and certainly from the Golden Rule, and that fact that I believe we are all created by our maker, that has all influenced me in terms of my change on this issue,” Portman said, according to Cleveland.com.

    “Especially proud of my dad today,” Will Portman tweeted on Friday with a link to the Columbus Dispatch op-ed.

    The announcement came the same day as fellow Republican Senator Marco Rubio reiterated his opposition to same-sex marriage at a conservative gathering.

    “Just because I believe that states should have the right to define marriage in a traditional way does not make me a bigot,” Rubio told the Conservative Political Action Conference on Thursday.

    NBC News' Kasie Hunt and Frank Thorp contributed to this report.

    Conservative Sen. Rob Portman, R-Ohio, reveals during an interview with CNN that he has changed course on his opinion of same-sex marriage, and he now supports it because his son has come out as openly gay.

    This story was originally published on Fri Mar 15, 2013 7:03 AM EDT

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    A wonderful example of a man who put the love of his son over the bigotry and dogma of those who would chose to marginalize him for being nothing more than who he is, and who he loves. Amazing how when this gets personal, rationality takes over.

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  • 31
    May
    2012
    10:34am, EDT

    Appeals court: Denying federal benefits to same-sex couples is unconstitutional

    The Defense of Marriage Act, which denies federal benefits to same-sex couples, was declared unconstitutional Thursday. NBC's Matt Lauer reports.


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    By msnbc.com staff and news services

    Updated at 2:30 p.m. ET: A federal appeals court has ruled that the Defense of Marriage Act, a law that denies a host of federal benefits to same-sex married couples, is unconstitutional.

    The 1st U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in Boston ruled Thursday that the act known as DoMA, which defines marriage as a union between a man and a woman, discriminates against gay couples.


    The law was passed in 1996 at a time when it appeared Hawaii would legalize gay marriage. Since then, many states have instituted their own bans on gay marriage, while eight states have approved it, led by Massachusetts in 2004, and followed by Connecticut, New York, Iowa, New Hampshire, Vermont, Maryland, Washington state and the District of Columbia. Maryland and Washington’s laws are not yet in effect and may be subject to referendums.

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    The appeals court agreed with a lower court judge who ruled in 2010 that the law is unconstitutional because it interferes with the right of a state to define marriage and denies married gay couples federal benefits given to heterosexual married couples, including the ability to file joint tax returns.

    The 1st Circuit said its ruling wouldn’t be enforced until the U.S. Supreme Court decides the case, meaning that same-sex married couples will not be eligible to receive the economic benefits denied by DOMA until the high court rules.

    Attorney Paul Clement, who represented the House of Representatives in defending DOMA, told msnbc.com that no decisions on legal strategy have been made.

    “But we have always been clear we expect this matter ultimately to be decided by the Supreme Court, and that has not changed,” he said.

    Gay & Lesbian Advocates & Defenders, the Boston-based legal group that brought one of the lawsuits on behalf of gay married couples, said the court agreed with the couples that it is unconstitutional because it takes one group of legally married people and treats them as "a different class" by making them ineligible for benefits given to other married couples.

    "We’ve been working on this issue for so many years, and for the court to acknowledge that yes, same-sex couples are legally married, just as any other couple, is fantastic and extraordinary," said Lee Swislow, GLAD’s executive director.

    Earlier: Illinois same-sex couples sue for right to marry

    During arguments before the court last month, a lawyer for gay married couples said the law amounts to "across-the-board disrespect." The couples argued that the power to define and regulate marriage had been left to the states for more than 200 years before Congress passed DoMA.

    An attorney defending the law argued that Congress had a rational basis for passing it in 1996, when opponents worried that states would be forced to recognize gay marriages performed elsewhere. The group said Congress wanted to preserve a traditional and uniform definition of marriage and has the power to define terms used to federal statutes to distribute federal benefits.

    More than 1,000 benefits in question
    Two California federal judges earlier said the act violated constitutional standards.

    Judge Claudia Wilken of Oakland ruled May 24 that the law legalized bigotry by withholding more than 1,000 federal benefits -- such as joint tax filing, Social Security survivor payments and immigration sponsorship -- from gays and lesbians legally married under state law.

    Judge Jeffrey White of San Francisco also declared DoMA unconstitutional and ordered the government to provide family insurance coverage to the wife of a lesbian court employee. White's ruling has been appealed to the Ninth U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals, which will hear the case in September.

    President Barack Obama withdrew his administration's defense of the law in February 2011, saying he considered it unconstitutional. House Speaker John Boehner convened the Bipartisan Legal Advisory Group to defend it. The legal group argued the case before the appeals court.

    On May 9, Obama declared in an interview with ABC News his unequivocal support for gay marriage, becoming the first president to endorse the idea.

    Obama said, "I have hesitated on gay marriage in part because I thought that civil unions would be sufficient." He added that he "was sensitive to the fact that for a lot of people the word 'marriage' was something that invokes very powerful traditions, religious beliefs and so forth."

    Now, he said, "it is important for me personally to go ahead and affirm that same-sex couples should be able to get married."

    Two of the three judges who decided the case Thursday were Republican appointees, while the other was a Democratic appointee. Judge Michael Boudin, who wrote the decision, was appointed by President George H.W. Bush, while Judge Juan Torruella was appointed by President Ronald Reagan. Chief Judge Sandra Lynch is an appointee of President Bill Clinton.

    Groups slam, praise ruling

    • “Liberal federal judges in Massachusetts and California have resorted to making up legal standards in order to justify redefining marriage,” said Brian Brown, president of The National Organization for Marriage. “They realize the legal precedent doesn’t allow them to redefine marriage, so they are making up new standards to justify imposing their values on the rest of the nation. It is clear that the U.S. Supreme Court is going to have to resolve this issue once and for all. … It’s obvious that the federal courts on both coasts are intent on imposing their liberal, elitist views of marriage on the American people.”
    • "We are thrilled that another court -- this time, the 1st Circuit Court of Appeals -- has ruled that it is unconstitutional to deny respect to the marriages of lesbian and gay couples," said Camilla Taylor, National Marriage Project Director for Lambda Legal. “We congratulate our colleagues at GLAD for achieving this wonderful victory."
    • "This is one more powerful statement now from an appellate court following four other federal courts that the so-called Defense of Marriage Act is indefensible under the constitution and should be discarded," Evan Wolfson, founder and president of Freedom to Marry, told msnbc.com. "It’s obviously a great victory not just for families harmed by federal marriage discrimination but for the country. Hopefully it will help us get back to our normal practice of the federal government respecting the marriages celebrated in the states without a gay exception."

    Msnbc.com's Miranda Leitsinger and Jim Gold and The Associated Press contributed to this report.

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    YEAH ABOUT TIME

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  • 13
    May
    2012
    12:49pm, EDT

    Video: Panel breaks down the same-sex marriage debate

    A Meet the Press roundtable discusses the recent discourse over same-sex marriage and its role in the 2012 election.

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    The title of this vine should be;Meet the Press attempts to advance divisiveness as a means to continue to divert attention away from the economy and the failed policies of Obama and his administration. This is pathetic because most Americans realize full well that NBC and msnbc are "in-bed" with t …

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  • 13
    May
    2012
    12:48pm, EDT

    Video: Priebus details the GOP's stance on current issues

    RNC Chairman Reince Priebus discusses the GOP's views on same-sex marriage and the regulation of Wall Street.

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  • 10
    May
    2012
    5:22pm, EDT

    Strong online support for Obama's same-sex marriage stance; election impact disputed

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    While general online sentiment strongly favored President Barack Obama's statement, judgments of its political impact were much more closely divided.

    By M. Alex Johnson, msnbc.com

    Online reaction to President Barack Obama's endorsement of same-sex marriage is running 3-to-1 in his favor, but commenters are sharply divided over whether it will help him or hurt him in November, according to a computer-assisted analysis of hundreds of thousands of social media posts in the first 24 hours after the announcement.


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    The analysis examined 532,000 posts on Twitter and Facebook, about 300,000 of which expressed a clear opinion about Obama's statement. Of those, 72 percent approved of the announcement.


    (The analysis — which ran from 3 p.m. ET Wednesday, when ABC News broadcast its interview with Obama, through 3 p.m. ET Thursday — used a tool called ForSight, a natural-language data platform developed by Crimson Hexagon Inc. For this type of sentiment analysis, Crimson Hexagon reports a margin of sampling error of plus or minus 3 percentage points among the self-selected social media audience. Click here for a detailed explanation.)

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    While Obama won widespread praise online, a significant proportion of it was grudging.

    Many supporters of same-sex marriage criticized the president for not having announced his position until now, 3½ years into his presidency. Fully a third of those agreeing with the decision did so while asking, in essence, "What took you so long?" 

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    A further 18 percent of those agreeing with the announcement complained that the president hadn't gone far enough, with some noting that he stopped short of taking any concrete action, such as proposing legislation or issuing an executive order to have federal agencies recognize same-sex marriages.

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    By contrast, opponents of Obama's announcement strongly indicated that they believed it was a politically cynical move.
    Nearly half of those opposing the move — 47 percent — expressed sentiments like these:

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    Interestingly, about a fifth of the sample — well more than 100,000 people — chose to analyze the announcement not so much on its merits but on whom it would benefit in the general election. And by 52 percent to 48 percent, a slim majority of those thought it would likely help Obama and other Democrats.

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    The social media analysis is also notable for its variance from public opinion at large. Recent polls generally indicate that only about half of Americans believe same-sex marriages should be legal; the most recent Gallup Poll, taken May 3-6, for example, showed a 50 percent to 48 percent split.

    Following Obama's support of gay marriage, a flood of emotions

    A possible explanation lies in the makeup of the social media audience. 

    The Pew Internet & American Life Project, which uses ForSight in its statistical analysis of social media, reported in March that people who identify themselves as liberal are more likely to use social networking sites than are people who identify as conservatives.

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    Moreover, marketing surveys indicate that people who identify themselves as gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgendered are more frequent users of social media than the population as a whole.

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    I just don't see why it is such an issue, why should straight people be the only ones to suffer thru marriage.

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  • 24
    Jan
    2012
    7:52pm, EST

    Gay rights advocates hope for unlikely message from Obama

    By M. Alex Johnson, NBC News

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    Jobs and the economy are the focus of President Barack Obama's State of the Union address Tuesday evening, but many Americans are hoping he'll also address a topic that the White House has given no indication is on the agenda: same-sex marriage.

    That's the picture that emerges from a computer-assisted analysis by msnbc.com of nearly 19,000 social media postings from all 50 states since Sunday.

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    The analysis indicates that the economy in general is the No. 1 issue on Americans' minds, just as it is on the president's. Since Sunday, roughly two-fifths of people expressing some opinion or expectation about the address did so in the context of jobs, "economic fairness" or taxes. But about a quarter are anticipating the address in terms of what Obama might say about same-sex marriage, according to the analysis.


    Msnbc.com conducted the analysis by examining 18,737 Twitter and Facebook posts about the State of the Union from 12:01 a.m. ET Sunday to 5 p.m. ET Tuesday. The analysis uses a tool called ForSight, a data platform developed by Crimson Hexagon Inc., which is used by many media and research organizations to gauge public opinion in new media, among them the Pew Research Center, ESPN and Microsoft Corp.

    The results are not a scientific reflection of broad national opinion. Instead, they're a glimpse through a three-day window into some of what is being said by Americans who follow politics and are active on Facebook, Twitter or both.

    And among that group, advocates for legalization of same-sex marriage have been busy.

    Five main talking points
    Five topics emerged as the most popular in msnbc.com's analysis of posts that raised questions or expressed opinions about what Obama might say Tuesday night. Two economic issues — "jobs and the economy" and "economic fairness and taxes" — each drew the attention of about 20 percent of the sample, making the economy in general the leading broad concern.

    "Congressional inaction and obstruction" also drew the attention of about 20 percent, while about 15 percent discussed climate change and the environment.

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    But about 25 percent of the sample — the largest representation for any of the five top individual issues — asked or urged Obama to address "same-sex marriage," "gay marriage" or "marriage equality," the term preferred by activists.

    "President Obama's State of the Union address will be on tomorrow night," and "I am curious to what my friends think we can expect from him," Michael LeFleur of West Oakland, Calif., noted Monday on Facebook.

    "I think that we need to back whatever person we think can beat the Republicans," LeFleur wrote. "If we split those votes, we run the risk of ending up with a Republican president and I think that is just the worst thing that can happen because of the Republican attitude toward gay marriage and medical marijuana. The gay rights movement would definitely take a big hit and our country would be taking a step backwards in the area of human rights."

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    The prominence of same-sex marriage is unexpected, because the White House has been clear in the walkup to Tuesday night's address that the president will focus on the economy and jobs. The topic isn't mentioned in any of the advance excerpts of his speech that were released Tuesday or in talking points distributed to Obama supporters.

    The discussion appears to have been fueled by comments by White House press secretary Jay Carney, who was asked Friday whether Obama would talk about same-sex marriage.

    Carney said he wouldn't "rule anything in or out," leading The Blade, a Washington newspaper devoted to gay and lesbian issues, to publish a story Saturday headlined "Will Obama endorse marriage equality in SOTU?"

    Many of the social media posts refer to or link to that article, like this tweet from Justin Sherwood, a poet from New York:

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    Not all of the posts reflected support for same-sex marriage. A small minority expressed the hope that Obama would endorse the Defense of Marriage Act, a 1996 federal law that defines marriage as a union between a man and a woman.

    Some of those posts linked to or quoted from a column by talk radio host Larry Elder, who wrote last week: "If one rejects society's consensus that, until now, confined marriage to a man and a woman, why limit a marriage to but one spouse? What argument prevents someone from declaring his undying love for three people and insists that the law permit him to marry all three?"

    In the past, Obama has said he didn't support same-sex marriage but that his views could "evolve" — a statement that Carney pointed to in his remarks Friday.

    While Obama isn't expected to complete that evolution in Tuesday night's address, "if the president of the United States were to announce support for marriage equality, his words would serve as a catalyst for millions of conversations," Josh Friedes of Equal Rights Washington, which is advocating for a referendum to legalize same-sex marriage in Washington State, told The Blade.

    Should that happen, Friedes said, "it's on us to use the event as an opportunity to share our personal stories," because it "could open the hearts of many people to reevaluate their own positions."

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