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Subscribe to RSSAs both the House and Senate work on budget blueprints for the new fiscal year, Rep. Chris Van Hollen of Maryland, the top Democrat on the House Budget Committee, emphasized on NBC’s Meet the Press Sunday that for his party “our priority is job growth” -- not cutting the debt or annual budget deficits.
“Right now our big problem is to sustain the economic recovery. We’ve seen momentum in the job market and the last thing we want do right now is to put the brakes on that,” Van Hollen told NBC’s David Gregory. “In fact one half of this year’s deficit is due to unemployment.”
Reps. Chris Van Hollen and Kevin McCarthy visit Meet the Press to discuss the future of the budget battle and what each member's party will request for an agreement.
According to the most recent report from the Bureau of Labor Statistics, 12 million Americans were unemployed and seeking work in February, while another 885,000 weren’t looking for work because they believe no jobs are available for them.
“What the president is saying is our focus right now should be to get people back to work, sustain the recovery – and then reduce the deficit in a measured, balanced way,” Van Hollen said. He added that President Barack Obama’s budget proposal for the new fiscal year which begins on Oct. 1 will put budget deficits “on a sustained, downward trajectory.”
Appearing alongside Van Hollen, Rep. Kevin McCarthy of California, the House Republican Whip, complained that “the Democrats’ budget never balances,” while his party’s Fiscal Year 2014 blueprint will achieve a balance of spending and revenues by the end of the ten-year forecasting period.
“The president has a different belief than we do. He believes deficits don’t matter. We do,” McCarthy said.
The California Republican defended the House Republicans’ budget plan which assumes that Obama’s health care overhaul, the 2010 Affordable Care Act, will be repealed. “Budgets are blueprints and priorities,” he explained. “We think Obamacare should be repealed. A majority of Americans agree with us. But we also think tax reform should happen so you can grow the economy.”
McCarthy added that persistently high federal debt would crowd out private sector borrowing and inhibit the growth of businesses.
Van Hollen said that the Democrats’ proposal would eventually achieve a balanced budget “out in the future, around 2040.” But he reiterated that for now the urgent need is job creation. The House Republican budget plan “will slow job growth at exactly the wrong time,” he contended.
Meanwhile on ABC’s This Week, House Speaker John Boehner again rejected the idea of additional tax increases, on top of the ones that Obama signed into law on Jan 2.
“The president believes that we have to have more taxes from the American people. We’re not going to get very far,” Boehner said. “The president got his tax hikes….. The talk about raising revenue is over. It’s time to deal with the spending problem.”
Boehner agreed with Obama’s recent remark that the federal government doesn’t face an imminent debt crisis. “We do not have an immediate debt crisis – but we all know that we have one looming,” Boehner said. “And we have one looming because we have entitlement programs that are not sustainable in their current form.”
Another prominent Republican Sen. Bob Corker of Tennessee said on Fox News Sunday that Republicans “would be glad to look at tax reform that generates additional revenues. And that doesn’t mean increasing rates, it means closing loopholes, and that also means arranging our tax system so that we have economic growth. And I think we have been saying that since day one.”
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Another prominent Republican Sen. Bob Corker of Tennessee said on Fox News Sunday that Republicans “would be glad to look at tax reform that generates additional revenues. And that doesn’t mean increasing rates, it means closing loopholes, and that also means arranging our tax system so that we have economic growth. And I think we have been saying that since day one.”
THEN STOP TALKING ABOUT IT AND REALLY LOOK. AT. IT. FOR PETE'S SAKE!!!
It is about time that we reject austerity and look toward stimulating job creation.
Clearly, the "free market" and 1% "job creators" can't get it done...
We have tried numerous times to do things like that and every time the democrats refuse. How can they do anything like that when the democrats continually block any proposals and insist on increasing rates.
Its now "job creation"? Really its finally come down to this? Now where have we heard that before? So exactly where has this dumba$$ been for the last 8 years and just what has been his priority during his time of non-existence? Really, the same can be asked of the rest, all of the Administration and Congress....
So, to summarize, the democrats want to continue to spend on crap ("invest" in democrat lingo) like drunken sailors. Modifying policy and easing restrictions, costs and taxes here and there to create a more business-friendly economic environment is never an option with them.
When will the GOP/TP get serious about job creation? They vowed on day 1 to make Obama a one-term president by obstructing everything he proposed even if it was a Republican idea to begin with. The only job proposals they have made were so laden with anti-abortion amendments that they just died in the Senate, justifiably so. The only things that they were good at was naming buildings and trying to repeal the ACA which they tried over 30 times. Maybe a new crop of Representatives will come in after 2014 and get things moving.
Democrats talking about job creation???....Like Obama has for the past 4 years +?? All talk and NO substance from the democrats... 4 years later they are finally TALKING about job creation. What a joke the democratic people and party have become.
You do NOT create jobs while raising taxes on everyone and inflation is on the rise. This article is just liberal propaganda for the stupid masses of poor uneducated people.
How are all those democratic policies working in Detroit and Chicago??? LOL ...Job creation from Democrats NEVER happens. This whole article is just a campaign speech and totally crap.
THE ELECTIONS OVER.....
NeverStop....I'm glad to see that your comment contained the word, "austerity' because once austerity starts it never stops.
I could possibly live with the notion that the more immediate priority is creating jobs vs cutting the deficit. But by its own admission, the democratic plan won't produce a balanced budget for another 27 YEARS. Not pay off the debt mind you, but simply create a budget that takes in as much as it spends. This is the best the democrats can come up with? Another 27 years of annual budget deficits. Just how much will the national debt be by then?
Apparently, Louie Bee, once the democratic spendfest starts, it never ends either.
The invisible hand of the free market waved goodbye a long time ago. It's ridiculous to think the economy will fix itself if we simply do nothing and let it run wild. Greed doesn't check itself against greed, it becomes more venomous.
As long as the "job creation" bill has language that makes it harder for women to get abortions, or to prevent gays from getting married, republicons will endorse it.
After all, their previous "job creation" bills had those provisions, yet they couldn't understand why they wouldn't get to the Senate floor. All Harry Reid's fault, they cried.
My guess would be when "Search Light" Harry starts letting legislation from the House hit the Dem controlled Senate floor. Do you think?
Every....I agree, but we have to do something to fix the problem. Instead we have people like Van Hollen and Obama who wish to do nothing. Government spending through debt is doing nothing. It would be if we actually invested in infrastructure that makes our country better, but the democrats only claim to want to do that, but then fail to include any real infrastructure improvements. (Resurfacing roads is maintenance, not improvement).
JoeMike.... Where the hell were you when Bush/Cheney spent like drunken sailors?
Shosyn. Job creation? Well, how well did that work out when Bush and Reagan said that tax cuts for the wealthiest would result in joib creation. Bush in eight years created the fewest jobs of any president back to WWII.
After FOUR plus years of OBOZO Where are the JOBS?
I agree with the Democrats but what they say and what they do are two very different things (on issues like this, usually the opposite).
Democrats have cut the budget and fired hundreds of thousands of federal workers. They bailed out the banks but not the states which they knew would result in many more lost jobs and cut backs in vital services.
The Democrats are the "Stealth Republicans":
http://www.dropshots.com/GCaplan#date/2012-12-10/20:43:38
Or maybe when the Republicans start sending bills to the House that don't contain unrelated social legislation. Even Ryan's current "budget" depends on the repeal of the ACA. And that hasn't happened so far, has it?
Do you think?
All the 1% knows how to do well is take jbs out of the U.S. and sit on their big piles of money. Time for government to step in and create jobs.
Wee......That is the result of the government trying to stepping in. Maybe we should get the government out of the way so that we can create jobs here. Why do you want to go backward and do what has failed over and over and over again. Look at China. They believed like you and had the government step in....and they fell further and further behind. They got government out of the way a few years ago and now they have the fastest growing middle class in the world.
Gnops ran on jobs in 2010 what have they done? Tax breaks for the rich is their only mantra, can anyone name I time in history supply side ever worked, just one? How many times have they repealed ACA, talked of rape and tried to ban abortion, rig the elections and just outright lied. We are watching the end of Democracy in America look no further than Detroit\, the Koch Brothers and their ilk have won.
Let's look at the facts.
Last month half the jobs created were part time. That has been the case for the past couple years. Temporary job firms now do the recruiting and screening and companies then try out the employee that works for the temporary agency. So this job is with limited benefits, if any, and the quality of applicants for the most part are unskilled labor. These are primarily entry level jobs that pay low.
Please read the Obamacare Survival guide to see why so many businesses will be hiring ONLY part-time people if they are able vs full-time. They are exempt from be forced to offer healthcare to this worker.
Here is another fact. There are many job categories that for employers is very trying. So maintenance workers with skilled knowledge of machinery is very hard to find. So employers not being able to find qualified people regardless of hrly wage, are now beginning to train from within. The only other possibility is to encourage solid workers already hired to go back to tech school to improve their skills and thus qualify for much better paying jobs. The lack of skilled workers is a big problem here in the US. We have far too many unskilled, uneducated workers with nothing to do. I am baffled why on earth there has been so little focus over the past 4 years on education. Increasing the number of kids going to college for degrees in philosophy is not the right answer to our employment problem. We need to emphasis math and science in our public schools, and stop boasting that so many never took these courses.
The federal revenue problem will never improve until millions more workers pay federal taxes. We can't keep shrinking the numbers that pay taxes, expecting that group to pay for all the services for the majority.
The US is mathematically challenged. It starts at the top.
" Look at China. They believed like you and had the government step in....and they fell further and further behind. They got government out of the way a few years ago and now they have the fastest growing middle class in the world."
Nice fantasy
Van Hollen sounds like a broken record. We've been hearing the same Keynesian/democrat crap for over four years now and what have we got? $6 trillion in NEW debt and FEWER Americans working now than when Obama took office!
Washington DC remains a trough for special interests and an ever burgeoning number of federal employees squealing for a tax payer teat to suck dry. When our president and his democrat congressional allies can't even manage a meager $85 billion cut in a $ 3.6 TRILLION budget without screaming about catastrophic consequences, sows like Van Hollen have no credibility.
Van Hollen and his ilk don't care about the MILLIONS of Americans still searching for work after FOUR YEARS of their "job creation", they only care about their pampered Washington lifestyle, like dining on lobster salad with the president while the rest of us make do with peanut butter and jelly sandwiches.
Invest and grow...
where is money, the stocks are up...
but banks are still refusing to lend, scared by their own shadows of self-inflicted recession, then...
then...borrow & spend and/or tax & spend
Austerity doesn't work, just look at Europe.
Then why are so many job bills stuck on Harry Reid's desk?
"Leading House Democrat says job creation, not deficit cutting, is immediate priority"
....and on the other side of the fence...
" Leading House Republican says getting back to the white house, and not job creation, or cutting the deficit, is immediate priority"....
Now let me ask this, what makes seemingly normal folks vote Republican?
Even my Horse "Big Tex" scratching his head about this...
SeveredHead - you mean like all the taxes that were hidden in Obama's health care reform bill? You know, the one that does absolutley NOTHING to reform the healthcare industry. Every bill that hits the floor has things hidden in it that have zero to do with the actual bill.
Piggy....austerity works, but not to grow the economy. It is about preventing economic collapse like what Greece and Spain are experiencing. It is building a solid foundation financially and preventing our children from being slaves to our debt. Look at Greece. They never tried austerity on their own and now it is forced on them. Why do you want to repeat their mistakes?
As reported in NBC News Business section:
The news is at least a bit of a counterweight to the most recent government employment report, which said the economy created 236,000 jobs in February (2013) as the unemployment rate fell to 7.7 percent.
While the headline rate has fallen, it has largely resulted from discouraged workers leaving the labor force, which is at a three-decade high. The principal unemployment rate includes only those unemployed who are looking for jobs. A broader gauge that measures discouraged and underemployed workers remains elevated at 14.3 percent.
http://www.nbcnews.com/business/small-businesses-still-cant-find-enough-workers-1C8857186
You wouldn't think job creation was that big of a deal with only 7.7% unemployed. However, the 7.7% lie is just that, a lie. But it sure makes the current administration look good. And that's what is important to them, image management.
That's funny,TIMOTHY. I remember in 2010 another party saying "JOBS JOBS JOBS!" who were they now? oh yes, the GOP/TP. So a bunch of fools voted them in, and then they tried to do what they wanted to really do. Pass non-regulations for banks and big businesses, get rid of health care and EPA, ban abortions and try to make Obama a one term president. Who has the record for filibusters right now?
Thanks a bunch for all the help you've given to the country, GOP/TP. The rich donors and their pet politicians have never been richer and the rest of us just don't matter.
Failure of GOP leaders led to a sequester that would cause losses of 750,000 jobs, but I thought the new GOP House majority promised jobs in January 2011 when they took over.
Cutting medicare, cutting unemployment benefits, and many other GOP proposed cuts will further take money away from the middle class who are more likely to spend the money to boost demand and boost the economy.
Federal deficit has declined very fast recently (partly because of economic recovery and rising stocks), and the RWNJs have refused to give the President credit, and even refuse to acknowledge this obvious fact.
“The president has a different belief than we do. He believes deficits don’t matter. We do,” McCarthy said.
Look at this guy quote Vice President Dick Cheney word for word and then try to project his own parties philosophy onto Obama. Amazing how these guys on the right constantly forget that the majority of the debt and deficit problem is directly due to their previous leaders.
But the Ryan budget doesn't eliminate Obamacare. It just eliminates the services associated with Obamacare. It keeps all of the fees and taxes for it. And even then, his numbers just don't add up. This isn't a budget. It's a propaganda piece.
Republicans = Austerity = Destruction of Jobs = Weak America
The Republicans have and it IS in Ryan's budget, not the Dems'. They instead are obsessed with punishment via rate hikes.
Democrats = Reckless Debt = Collapsed Economy = Destroyed America
Two can play the mindless rhetoric game, Wakehead.
No you have not; you proposed eliminating environmental regulations, cutting taxes (adding to the deficit, might I add) for wealthy people, and then cried foul when the President offered ideas that included tax cuts and some elimination of red tape. You haven't tried at all; your party's number 1 priority was cutting taxes for the rich and gutting the remainder of the New Deal.
Van Hollen is absolutely right. Deficit reduction cannot and should not be a priority right now; for God's sake unemployment is at 7.7%!! Every economics textbook in the world says that you don't do austerity when you aren't at full employment. Now, to those who complain about the $6 trillion added to our national debt (more like $5 trillion), let me say that most of that debt were created by the Bush administration and forcibly extended by the Obama administration (Bush tax cuts, war in Iraq, TARP, etc). Republicans are asking for two things and expecting to get an instant deal: an overwhelming focus on austerity instead of job creation (which they know will require more spending) and a restriction on what kind of austerity that we can use. We need more investments in science, innovation, research and development, and infrastructure. That is our future, not low taxes or less spending.
Louie Bee, I was complaining about Bush too. What does that have to do with anything. Stop deflecting.
Republican plan - balanced budget in 10 years
Democratic plan - balanced budget in 27 years.
Someone seems to have learned the lesson, someone not so much...
"our priority is job growth"
This is a great statement. Let step up and stop penalizing businesses. Our country's health (and job growth) , depend on the President opening up a little to the GOP's view of business in the USA.
Freshieee - okay not now, but WHEN? Give me a date that's not 27 years in the future. What's the right unemployment number? 6%, 5% 4$? What? What are the SPECIFIC conditions underwhich deficit reduction becomes the priority? After we have defaulted on the national debt, after the global economic collapse? WHEN?
On a similar note, since the month before Obama took office more than 4 years ago, the economy has only managed a net increase of 139,000 jobs...in 4+ years...recovering from a recession. That's a pathetic performance in what should have been the second strongest economic bounce in US history based on depth of drop.
It should have been since Jan. 2009, but it hasn't been. Why should anybody believe the Dems now when their actions for past 4 years has shown the exact opposite?
With all this blather about jobs being a priority, then how come the dems have yet to propose anything that will grow the economy? If spending tons of money we don't have and running up the debt is the way to go, then why is the economy still so sluggish? You know what they say: "Insanity is doing the same thing time after time and expecting different results!" So, what's the dem solution? Spend even more money! Talk about insanity!
Although I disagree with the libs who think that Obama is so smart, if you assume that he is smart, they you have to conclude that he is purposely driving the country into the ground.
That is of course in the extremely unlikely scenario in which there are no economic downturns or crises in those 27 long years.
Over the past 15 years the strongest growing economies in Europe -- including Germany who is largely underwriting the bailouts of the collapsing Greek and Spanish economies -- have done two things, they have cut spending and cut taxes. It's called fiscal consolidation and it allows nations to move forward with stronger foundational economies. Those that haven't done that type of fiscal consolidation can largely be found listed in with the group of failing economies that include Greece, Spain, Portugal, Italy...
nightwalker:
The House Republicans have been trying for four years to get Obama to approve the Keystone pipeline and all the JOBS that come with it and yet Van Hollen still can't bring himself or Obama to endorse it. My god, we developed the atom bomb in less time! Is it really that complicated? I guess it is if you're only interested in promoting fantasy "green energy" companies like Solyndra. Maybe Obama should have studied that proposal a little longer because after $500 million what did American workers get? Oh yea, bankruptcy and the $500 million bill! I'll bet Obama and Van Hollen made out ok though.
Sows like Van Hollen and Obama don't "create jobs", unless of course you're talking about jobs for guvment cheese dispensers. Does that include you?
Probably becoming a Libertarian like me :-)
That's total BS. The President - at least, this President - has never said that deficits don't matter. Unlike Mr McCarthy, though, Obama seems able to hold more than one thought in his head at the same time, and weigh alternatives, as opposed to living in an absolute world.
You need a serious remedial education on how Congress is run. The House does NOT pass something and then force the Senate to vote on that exact bill. The House votes on their own specific version of a bill. The Senate votes on their own specific version of a bill. If they both pass, the differences are hammered out in conference. That ANY bill doesn't make it to the floor of the Democrat-controlled Senate for consideration is ABSOLUTELY Harry Reid's fault.
Here's what drastic Austerity does for you.
1916 Receipts $761 Million, Outlays $713 Million, Surplus $48 Million, Unemployment Began the year at 4.8%
1917 Receipts $1.10 BILLION, Outlays $1.95 BILLION, Deficit $1.24 Billion. Unemployment Began the year at 4.8%. TAXE RATES Mostly on the RICH increased 50%, but Rvenues only increased 44%
1918 Receipts $3.65 Billion, Outlays $12.68 Billion, Deficit $9.03 Billion, Unemployment Began the year at 1.4% (War Effort). Taxe Rates once on everyone increased by 300% and revenues lagged with a 232% increase. Gread unemployment numbers though!
1919 Revenues $5.13 Billion, Outlays $18.5 Billion, Deficit $13.36 Billion. Unemployment began the year at 2.3% Up even though more money spent! Taxes rates were Doubled again but only generated a 40% increase in Revenues
1920 Revenue $6.65 Billion, Outlays $6.36 Billion, Surplus of $291 Million, Unemployment began the year at 4%. Tax Rates were increased about 40% and revenues increased at 29%.
1921 Revenues $5.57 Billion, Outlays $5.1 Billion, Surplus $509 Million, Unemployment began the year at 11.9%. Taxes were cut about midway through 1921.
1922 Revenues $4.03 Billion, Outlays $3.3 Billion, Surplus $736 Million, Unemployment Began the year at 7.6%. Tax rates cut for Second time at the beginning of 1922
1923 Revenues $3.85 Billion, Outlays $3.1 Billion, Surplus $713 Million, Unemployment Began the year at 3.2%. A third year of Tax cuts, but very mild compaired to 1921 and 1922. Some sources show that the year began at 6.5% and ended at 3.2%.
Austerity will return an economic system back to sanity!
The falacy here is that cutting the deficit and creating jobs are mutually exclusive. They are not. When government spends money in the name of creating jobs that is nothing but income redistribution, taking taxpayer money and spending it where government thinks is best (think Solyndra, Fisker, A123, GM). Easing the regulatory burden and providing incentives to promote private sector business creation and expansion actually increases the tax base not by taking more from those already paying but by increasing the number of people paying taxes. The private sector tends to respond to actual market the demand. The government indulges in delusional agenda driven thinking about what they think you should have.
Anyone who mentions Solyndra with a sneer in their voice does not understand how capital investment works, and specifically, does not understand how venture capital works. Venture investment is a statistics game. You invest in a variety of different ideas and a variety of different fields. Some of them are guaranteed to be failures and some of them are guaranteed to be successes; you don't know which ones, so you spread out your bets. That is the simple difference between gambling and investing. Perhaps a bit over-simplified, but it works to illustrate this current example.
But then, perhaps I am talking to a blank wall. If the Republican party understood how statistics worked, they wouldn't have been sneering at Nate Silver, either.
Could you tell us how much Obama himself had personally invested in Solyndra?
You can find dozens of Libertarian zero-tax paradises in the world. They are, however, invariably third world countries. If, on the other hand, you want a country with an infrastructure that provides you with the security and infrastructure necessary to start and sustain a small business, you are going to have to pay for that. Every prosperous country needs to tax its citizens to provide what they need. Freedom is not free.
If you want to retire with dignity, don't vote for a Republican because the Ryan pinhead budget is based on drawing savings from your entitlements !!!
byron: You are right, Obama does have more than one thought! He has 2 thoughts: TAX and SPEND! But, what makes you think that he cares about deficits?
Nice to see the democrats still have a "laserlike" focus on jobs. The sad part is that they could give a @!$%# about Americans. While some 23 million Americans have been unemployed, under-employed, or dropped out of the workforce; the administration has been focused on making jobs more available for illegal aliens by granting millions of illegals deferred status and work permits (so they can legally compete against Americans struggling in or abandoning the workforce)
GOP Tea movement continue to obstruct progress in Washington just to protect the loopholes of the 1% super mega rich, Why ??? Because the Koch Bros. started the TeaBaggers and Control them, now that's smart !!!
OK all you teatards, birthers, science rejecters, religious fanatics, mindless dittoheads, evolution deniers, Fox noise cultist, conspiracy theorist, gun crazies and all around 15th century Republicans -- as you know, March Madness is upon us. President Obama will be filling out his brackets very soon. So be sure to start your whining and crying, bitching and complaining, moan and groaning about how he’s not doing the business of the nation and instead wasting the tax payers time and money on basketball.
Hummmmmm "Job Creation" .. Absolutely! .... But how? .. Build a factory in Detroit and build something? centralizing production moving workers and families to the location spurs a local economy for a while ..
That's one way ... but not really good for a country that has 1 in 3 counties dying ... We need to build local industries that will grow .. that's what spurred us onward in the eighties & nineties .... growth of industries at the lowest level ... the grass roots ... Miniaturization, computers, plastics, etc ... The free market system works IF you let it flourish with gentle regulation ...
Is there a industry that can provide stimulus to local economies spread evenly across the entire united states?
One that would provide a massive federal tax base to pay for programs that transition us away from the military/industrial complex that has us building guns,bombs, & bullets to employ Americans?
I believe there is IF done correctly to give the grass roots effect needed to allow the less fortunate citizens to participate in the economy and instead of a "Trickle Down" effect on the economy a natural grow from the ground "Upward" growth, where the money flows upward and influences growth ... just like a plant ..a tree.
Our economy is "Stifled" by the majority of the production of goods and services being controlled by the few .. Try twenty five products with different brand names .. and if you did deep ... they are controlled by two or three people ... our industry is concentrates in the hands of the few ... and it is unlikely to change without radical legislative change .. BUT .. when a new industry comes on line by regulating it by not allowing it to consolidate, you make it highly competitive & governed by quality & free market forces ... the best social combination available ... We should recognize by now allowing what we want to think of as "free market forces" have crippled the base of the "American Dream" and the economy ... Sam Walton played it right .. and while everyone got cheep products they killed the bossiness that make this country great .. couple that with "vertical integration" and "limited competition" is a recipe for disaster for the long term interest of the common man ...
To dig out of the hole that we are in .. we need a "All American" product .. produced in America with no importation allowed .... we don't need competition to make it work its best ... Limitations that will allow each producer to earn a respectable living commensurate with the markets desire for his product based on real or perceived quality in the free market place. The base industry model would be similar to the controls of the original French wine industry ... with the exception of ... a limit on production. This limit is set to enable massive numbers of participants, spread across the entire nation... to insure the even distribution of the wealth created by the industry ...
Taxation ... taxed prior to production ... growers would present the Treasury dept of the United States with $75,000.oo to receive their tax stamps in denomination figures of their choice to be attached to their product to show that it was legally produced ... that would bring into the Treasury over the first five years Five hundred billion dollars from direct taxes alone .. $500,000,000,000 .. The indirect benefits derived nationally should be at least ten times that .... five trillion dollars .. and that does not even take into account the savings that would occur in Federal,state& local systems ....
Legalize Marijuana and watch our nation begin to flourish again ....
While I am not advocating zero-tax I thought it would be interesting to see which countries are. I'm making the educated guess that you are not concerned that the poorest citizens of a nation pays 0 tax, so I'll concentrate on the tax rate of the top bracket. Here's a list of he zero-tax states:
That's followed by other low tax states such as:
Certainly not the biggest economies and one or two that are troubled, but I haven't run into an actual third-world country yet.
Now let's take a look at where some real third-world nations rank:
Wow! That completely doesn't jibe with your rhetoric...at all. Color me not shocked.
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Mike in SA - Really bud, you should be aware that facts are not generally well received here in Newswhineland.
I don't know that I'm becoming a Libertarian. I'm sort of a social liberal/fiscal conservative/Constitutional Protectionist. Is there a "I'm-just-really-pissed-off-at-all-of-them" party?
joemike404,
Yeah, I just use facts and have fun watching their heads explode. I should use the lower-case 'L' when I say Libertarian. I'm not registered with any party. Having said that, it sure sounds like you have libertarian leanings (note the lower-case 'L').
The dems have been banging the same drum for over four years promising jobs jobs jobs
While all they do is spend spend spend!!!
In 2010, the Republicans campaigned and WON on the promise of their plan for JOBS.
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crickets
'sdpaulson
Its now "job creation"? Really its finally come down to this? Now where have we heard that before? So exactly where has this dumba$$ been for the last 8 years and just what has been his priority during his time of non-existence? Really, the same can be asked of the rest, all of the Administration and Congress...."
I assume you are saying the republicans had bills that created jobs..if so..what are they..the only things I saw were tax cuts for the wealthy..those were suppose to create jobs under Bush too..did not happen then...will not happen now. It would save millionaires and those members of congress tons of money however whilke raising taxes on the middle class and those that can not afford it at all. To make the wealthy and the republicans happy do we need to cut pay for all but those in congress ? And if so,,just how far does it have to be cut in order for the wealthy and the republicans to be happy ? I am not happy with either party..neither has done what they were elected to do...both parties campained on jobs and have created none...nor have the wealthy with the cuts they had before...yet..they want even more now.
Byron:
Is the following bit of wisdom the mission statement of the Byron Raum Investment fund?
“Venture investment is a statistics game. You invest in a variety of different ideas and a variety of different fields. Some of them are guaranteed to be failures and some of them are guaranteed to be successes; you don't know which ones, so you spread out your bets. That is the simple difference between gambling and investing.”
Maybe you should send your investment strategy to the Wharton School of Business so they can incorporate it into their curriculum. Better yet, maybe you could enlighten us all and provide ONE investment Obama has made with tax payer money that has been successful? It seems the presidents record of failure defies even the law of averages that do apply to gambling. Based on his record, I’ll bet the Atlantic City casinos would love a visit from him.
“Could you tell us how much Obama himself had personally invested in Solyndra?”
Call me cynical but I think a president who guarantees billions in taxpayer backed loans for “green energy” companies when everyone who does know how capital investment works predicted their collapse is either a moron or a crook. The fact that Obama’s campaign bundlers benefited from the loans even as their companies filed for bankruptcy makes me inclined to believe the latter, unless of course he employs venture capitalist advisors like you.
And how do you plan to increase job creation when you are raising taxes, increasing regulations, and increasing costs to businesses (like ObamaCare)? The deficit spending IS hindering job creation!!
There is only one way to grow the economy and that is to incentivize businesses to hire more people and you CAN'T do that with increased threats of more taxes, more cumbersome regulations, and an ObamaCare that raises the cost of labor significantly. THAT is what is hindering this economy. Fix THAT problem and you fix the economy.
People and Business are forced into Bankruptcy everyday because they cannot control their spending..... What makes Uncle Sam any better than the rest of us.....
RI Mom said:
In 2008 Obama was elected and WON on the promise of creating JOBS.
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crickets
And if job creation is the desired outcome then why are you blocking the Keystone Pipeline? That alone will create 20,000 jobs that each will pay income taxes. You want more tax revenue? Then allow taxpaying jobs to be created. We don't need HIGHER taxes just more taxpayers.
And open up more drilling. Reduce cumbersome regulations. There are MANY ways we can get job creation going WITHOUT spending money and WITHOUT lowering taxes. Just let the private sector do what it does best and get OUT OF THE WAY!!
No; we need both. Even if we are going to reduce the cost of Medicare and Social Security in the long haul, we will still need higher revenues (much higher) for the foreseeable future. 18% revenues will not be enough for the retiring Baby Boomers. The bipartisan Bowles-Simpson plan called for $2 trillion in revenues and around $2.4 trillion in spending cuts, a nearly 1:1 split. That is what I would favor. The Keystone pipeline also has externalities, like increased carbon emissions. However, I would support it's approval, as long as we also protect government R&D from the sequester...
Yeah, yeah; "unchain the private sector" and all that crap. If the private sector was so good, why didn't we have a boom under the Bush years, when taxes were the lowest in decades and regulations barely touched anyone? Simple; the private sector doesn't work best when there is no government to provide structure. Without government, the private sector would devolve into monopolized industries that gouge consumers with high prices and lead to periodic financial crises due to unregulated rent-seeking (aka speculation) by economic renters (aka the "job creators"). The "Reagan" ideals of deregulation and low taxes are nothing more than a rehash of the old horse and sparrow idea where some oats thrown at a horse will eventually reach the sparrows. Funny thing how that philosophy lead to the Great Depression, don't ya think?
First of all, we do not need to balance the budget per se; no government does that on a continuous basis. All we need to do is make sure that the deficit is lower as a share of GDP than economy growth; 2-3% deficits would do just fine. Secondly, I would support a 10 year balanced-budget plan, yet it would have to be coupled with a stimulus package similar in size and scope to the $2 trillion plan proposed by the House Democrats and it would have to contain a good mixture of tax hikes (yes, tax hikes) and entitlement reform (no cuts to nondefense spending). Thirdly, I think that if we aren't willing to engage in any stimulus but don't want austerity now, I'd say create a trigger that would be activated when the economy hits, say, 5-6% unemployment. When that happens, the Bush tax cuts expire gradually, the payroll tax cap is eliminated, reforms to Medigap and the cost-sharing structures of Medicare and Medicaid would occur, and both Medicare and Medicaid would shift to a bundled payment form to providers. That, in my opinion, would be a very credible deficit deal, to be coupled with eventual tax reform. The good thing for Democrats and pro-stimulus activists is that it includes tax increases and prevents austerity until the economy reaches full employment. As for Republicans, the deal contains significant entitlement reforms (increased cost-sharing, Medigap reform, etc) and would provide certainty for the economy. It's your choice on whether or not to accept it; do you concede on the tax issue and gain entitlement reform, or do you back off on further revenues and get not major entitlement cuts?? It's your choice, Republicans; take it or leave it.
I find it sad and amusing all at the same time, cutting the deficit WILL create jobs idiot!
Sarcastic solution: Eliminate welfare, food stamps, and long term unemployment insurance. It would have about a trillion effect on the debt, and either people will get a job doing anything to survive or they will starve to death. If they work, good, if they die of starvation, it will only increase the percentage of those working in our country and drop the unemployment rate.
I know I am a cold bastard, but oh well.
@Occam's Razor
"our priority is job growth"
How about we keep in mind that the repugnicans' vision of business is what got us tothe2009 crash. Ifthe'pugs wouldquit sending jobsbills to the Senate that contain poisin pills, maybe we could grow some jobs. While Obama has been scary on presidential authority, his domestic failures are largely due to Baner and and the pug's TMNT, mutt mcconnell
Mike in SA.....
Since a heck of a lot of folks sue other people or businesses for nothing, you might as well sue the school you attended.
Those are COUNTRIES you listed......NOT STATES.
Guess you are in the same category as Mr. "Drama" Obama who stated he had visited "47, no 48, and one more to go" States during the 2008 campaign.
So, Mr. Van Hollen, how does sucking more money out of the productive private economy where the jobs actually are created help create more jobs? I guess I'm not smart enough to be a senator because I don't get it.
Severed Head in a Jar - you should probably go back and attend civics class instead of cutting it.... Harry can bring up, amend anything sent to their chamber (ie., cut out whatever pork the Repub's put in) - in which case it goes back to the House in a serve and volley between the chambers till the bill gets settles (passed) between them.
I really think Harry's afraid some of his Dem flock will jump ship if a bill that makes sense for the tax paying citizens of the country reaches the Senate floor and passes. That would look bad for the Party.
I can't answer that question, although I do know that cutting R&D programs and investments in energy and education won't create more jobs either. And FYI, it was government research that created the multi-billion dollar Internet creation that you are using right now to refute the idea that the government can create wealth. Governments create wealth all the time; it's just that their research (usually for military matters) often gets used by private companies, who then commercialize and create the products, like GPS, the Internet, and cell phones (based off of World War II walkie-talkies).
So 47 % don't want any spending cut backs, they want those checks to keep rolling in. They don't care how high taxes are raised. Must be the same 47% who don't pay any taxes because if taxes double 2 X 0 is still O.
It is becoming quite apparent there are a lot of Progressive idiots who have been elected to office.
"timothy kaluhiokalani" said:
"Better yet, maybe you could enlighten us all and provide ONE investment Obama has made with tax payer money that has been successful?"
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Timothy, Byron is indeed correct when he stated:
“Venture investment is a statistics game. You invest in a variety of different ideas and a variety of different fields. Some of them are guaranteed to be failures and some of them are guaranteed to be successes; you don't know which ones, so you spread out your bets. That is the simple difference between gambling and investing.”
So if you want proof if the Obama Administration has made any successful investments, here they are:
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Fact check: Are half of 'green' energy firms helped by stimulus out of business?
Excerpts:
(CNN) -- Republican nominee Mitt Romney has frequently railed against efforts championed by President Barack Obama steering money to promote "green energy."
He continued that line of attack Wednesday night, decrying what he described as "$90 billion in breaks to the green energy world."
"These businesses, many of them have gone out of business -- I think about half of them -- of the ones that have been invested in have gone out of business," the former Massachusetts governor said.
So are Romney's assertions correct, both about the size of the "green energy" program and what happened to those companies that got money from it?
But not all that money has been spent, and not all of it -- in fact, not even half of it -- is being directed to upstart green businesses.
Part of 2009's much larger $787 billion stimulus package, this money went toward things like the weatherization of more than 770,000 homes and cleaning 688 square miles of land formerly used for Cold War-era nuclear testing.
Many individual companies did benefit directly. The government website that tracks stimulus spending lists 27,226 individual awards under the "Energy/Environment" section, totaling just shy of $34 billion.
The Energy Department cites several success stories like one of the world's largest wind farms in eastern Oregon, massive solar power plants in Arizona and grants to Ford to produce fuel-efficient cars.
In fact, of the 28 funded projects -- involving 23 companies -- listed in a 2012 congressional report, only four involve businesses that were either sold or are not in operation.
Conclusion:
It is fair to say that the 2009 stimulus authorized $90 billion for green energy, as Romney asserted. Whether or not one terms these as "breaks" is subjective, and one shouldn't assume that all the funds went to specific businesses like Solyndra.
Most of the large projects that benefited from the Department of Energy loan program remain in operation -- contrary to Romney's assertion that "almost half" of them had closed.
http://www.cnn.com/2012/10/04/politics/fact-check-green-energy
Freshieee:
Sorry, economics is economics is economics. And business is business is business.
When you punish business they have less incentive and reason to invest in new or expand an existing business. Big government has never worked. To take money out of the private sector investment decreases. So jobs decrease. So unemployment stays high. So GDP becomes stagnant. So more people need programs like Food Stamps and Welfare more. In other words you have the terrible economy we have now.
There is absolutely no logical explanation that would make sense as to taking money out of the private sector will build the private sector. That is illogical. That is a total disregard of economic and business theory and unintelligent.
Only the private sector can create jobs. Government cannot. So if we want the private sector to grow the LAST thing you do is take money OUT of the private sector investment. Every economics textbook in the country clearly explains this. I suggest it might be a good idea for you to take a college economics course to understand what we are SUPPOSED to do.
Although there is another way to see what we are supposed to do. The last four years is now historically the WORST economic recovery and Obama is now the title holder as the president in charge of the worst economic recovery. So if we want to know what we are supposed to do then all we have to do is look at the last four years - and do the opposite.........
Actually, economics is economics, and most serious economists who actually hold a PhD will tell you that during a recession, or in the aftermath, deficits and government spending are more important and lead to more job creation than balancing the budget. Austerians have proven wrong over and over again over the past five years as countries that have put in place severe austerity measures see their unemployment rate go up as countries whose governments have invested in their economies have seen their unemployment rates go down. If ours has been reluctant to go down it's because of too much austerity, certainly not too little. The borrowing costs are extremely low right now; now is NOT the time to balance the deficit. Imagine sequester times ten: THAT's what would be required to balance the budget, and it would send us into a full-blown depression.
It's time to stop paying attention to the punditocracy, to the commentariat, to Washington common "wisdom," and to pseudo-economists with voodoo theories about how government cannot create jobs or spur job creation and time to start talking to the real economists. We actually have a number of economists who have won the Nobel prize in their field in this country, and practically all of them agree that it's the government's job to spur the economy in these times, not to step aside and let us spiral back into a recession. The economy needs demand and the government CAN create demand.
To those who still somehow adhere to the school of thought that government's only way to spur the economy is austerity:
Here's our unemployment rate under Obama:
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Here's the Euro area and its austerity:
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Here's what austerity does to growth:
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ProBusiness, I'll tell you what goes against every principle of economic theory: that the money the government spends is somehow different from the money the private sector spends. That government demand is different from private demand. That people on the government's payroll have somehow different spending habits that makes their getting and spending money less good for the economy than someone who is on someone else's payroll. That the money the government uses to buy whatever doesn't keep circulating around. It's actually far more likely that a dime the government uses to help a poor family or to engage a paving company to repave a road will circulate around than a dime the government no longer collects from the rich because of tax breaks.
Balancing the budget is a foolish goal
Commentary: Debt isn’t a moral issue, it’s an economic one
MarketWatch
Balancing the budget seems like such a prudent and responsible thing to do, but it’s not. Balancing the budget is a foolish goal, because it would make our economy weaker and it would reduce our standard of living. Read “Ryan plan trims spending by $4.6 trillion.”
The fiscal scolds who have taken over our public discourse are fond of comparing our national government’s budget to the family budget. For example, House Speaker John Boehner said a few days ago that “every family must balance its budget, Washington should, too.” President Barack Obama relies on the same flawed logic: “Small businesses and families are tightening their belts. Their government should, too.”
But does every family need to balance its budget? No, most families don’t. If every family balanced its budget — never spending more than it earns in a year — then few families would own homes or cars, and few could afford to send their children to college. Imagine if you had to save up to buy a home, or a car, or to go to college.
According to the latest survey of consumer finances, in 2010 75% of families had some debt; 47% had a mortgage, 30% owned money on a car, and 19% had education loans. Most likely, nearly 100% have had some debt at some point in their lives.
We know that many families took on too much debt during the housing bubble. We know that high levels of debt in the wrong hands can be catastrophic not only for individuals, families and communities but the nation as a whole. And we know that the federal government can’t continue to borrow 10% of gross domestic product every year.
But is there any reason to believe that the correct level of debt is zero?
Families don’t balance their budgets. Companies don’t balance their budgets. And even state and local governments don’t balance their budgets (they are able to borrow for capital expenses, even if they are required to keep the operational budget balanced).
And the federal government shouldn’t balance its budget. At least, balancing shouldn’t be a major goal of policy makers.
Debt — responsible debt — is the best way to invest in the future.
Moralizing the debt
Promising to balance the federal budget is like putting on a hair shirt. It makes you feel close to God, but it’s needlessly painful in every other way. Instead of thinking about debt as an economic or financial problem, we’re thinking about debt as a moral question. And when we think of debt in moralistic terms, we begin to think a zero-tolerance policy is ideal.
That’s a dangerous idea.
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/balancing-the-budget-is-a-foolish-goal-2013-03-13
Why all the hysterics about the deficit?
Economist, Dean Baker
"... The deficit chicken hawks that dominate Washington policy debates are warning us that financial markets will panic if we don't soon get our debt under control, with investors fleeing the dollar and interest rates soaring. Japan's ratio of debt to GDP of 240 percent is more than twice that of the United States, yet the interest rate on long-term government bonds is hovering near 1.0 percent and the government's main concern is that the yen is over valued … "
I might also add that Japan's unemployment rate is 4.1% much less than ours which is 7.8% (officially, it's quite a bit higher really)
In Europe where they are slashing government spending and wages (like both the Republicans and Democrats want to do here) unemployment is above 12% and most of the countries there are in recession or DEPRESSION.
Cutting Social Security and Medicare and government spending is not needed and will make matters worse not better.
But this won't stop them from trying to do it of course.
Because the deficit is just being used as an excuse to cut social programs like Social Security and Medicare, etc.
Closing "loopholes" means raising taxes which means less private sector jobs. Due to inneficiencies in Government 5 lost private sector jobs "creates" ONE government job which in turn costs so much another tax increase is required to deal with the fact government workers do not actually create anything and are thus a drag on the system.
Government should not need more than 10% to run efficiently and take care of the business of managing a country!
Japan's ratio of debt to GDP of 240 percent is more than twice that of the United States,
This statistic is misleading. Japan is the world's largest creditor nation, we are the worlds biggest debtor nation. There is a big difference!
Balancing the budget is a foolish goal, because it would make our economy weaker and it would reduce our standard of living.
No it wouldn't. Our economy would be much stronger without the government running these huge deficits and taxing the hell out of everyone. The government reduces our standard of living, it doesn't raise it. From the 1800 to 1900 we became the wealthiest country the world had ever seen and the standard of living skyrocketed. We did it all without big government. As soon as we embraced big government our economy has been getting progressively weaker.
Debt — responsible debt — is the best way to invest in the future.
The government can't properly invest because it can't properly assess risk and because politicians "investments" are really just them rewarding campaign contributors in an effort to get reelected.
Speaking of needing to sue their school, yours didn't even teach you how to use a dictionary.
State - a politically organized body of people usually occupying a definite territory - Mariam-Webster
A nation's president or prime minister is their "Head of State", John Kerry is our "Secretary of State", the White Houses hosts State dinners. Were you to search for a list of sovereign states you would get a list of nations. The official name of the area between Egypt and Jordan is the State of Israel. None of these has to do with the smaller geographical areas within a nation and it is the government of the bounded regions (states) that fix taxation rates, not the boundaries themselves.
AndresTM: WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG!!
EVERY economics textbook in the country will tell you that government spending with BORROWED money does NOTHING to help the economy!! OPEN A TEXTBOOK BEFORE YOU TRY TO JUST MAKE THINGS UP!!
The ONLY reason we are not in a recession/depression is NOT because of the government spending (with borrowed money) and actually that is making it worse. The only reason we are not free-falling is because of the Monetary Policy by our Federal Reserve. That is helping in the short-run but are creating incredible problems in the not too distant future. They are devaluing our currency and once interest rates rise (and they WILL rise) it will triple or even quadruple (depending on how high the interest rates rise) our interest on the debt.
But the government spending is making it WORSE!! I am actually in that chapter at the moment in my Macroeconomics classes (I teach college economics) and explaining it this week to my classes. This information is IN the textbook and, just so you know, is written by 4 authors all with Phd's in Economics.
Actually the book I am using right now is Macroeconomics 14th edition "Private and Public Choice" written by Gwartney, Stroup, Sobel, and Macpherson. Chapter 12 (Fiscal Policy) state on page 231 "The crowding-out effect implies that the demand stimulus effects of budget deficits will be weak because borrowing to finance the deficits will increase interest rates and thereby crowd out private spending on investment and consumption. This reduction in private spending will partially, if not entirely, offset the additional spending financed by the deficit". THAT IS A QUOTE FROM THE TEXTBOOK!! That is not an arbitrary comment but a quote BY an economics professor from a textbook currently being used BY an economics professor.
But just a warning, just because you believe it and type it doesn't make it true. In fact what you said "was true" was actually false and stated so in EVERY economics textbook on every college campus today.
ProBusiness
Don't feel alone. I get it as a business owner. Those that believe that the government is their savior will never change their tune. It is a song they will sing as the ship is sinking into the deep.
I think to some degree, that they don't understand because of the stupor that they are in is that while government may create jobs, through infrastructure and other projects, that those are only temporary, and the jobs we need are permanent. They may give a temporary boost to some statistic, but in reality it is a six month orgasm that will have the usual conclusion, a sticky mess left for others to clean up.
I fear we are at a loss to combat the masses. I, for one, am about ready to go on strike.
Why do you continue repeating these lies? Let's just look at the record, shall we?
The BLS is responsible for gathering this data. You can download the data and check it yourself.
When Obama took office (Jan, 2009), there were 142,153.000 people employed. In Jan, 2013, there were 143,322,000. So what you are saying is patently false.
That doesn't tell the whole story, though. Let's look a little deeper:
Employment peaked in Jan, 2008 at 146,378,000. By Dec, 2008, that number had fallen to 143,369,000. 3 million lost jobs in the last year of the Bush presidency.
Nor was it done there. By Dec, 2009, the number had fallen to 138,025,000. That's another 5 million lost jobs in the 12 months following the Bush presidency.
That's a grand total of 8 million lost jobs at the end of the disastrous Bush presidency. Now, just for perspective, let us keep in mind that the Great Depression resulted in the loss of 12 million jobs. It hurt a lot more because the population was so much smaller then, but let us keep in mind that the latest recession (many call it the Bush Recession for a damned good reason) is the biggest hit the American economy has taken in 60 years!!
If you are looking for a reason for the increase in government spending, consider that those 8 million people out of work do not pay taxes - decrease in government revenue. That same 8 million also collect unemployment benefits - increase in government expenses.
Republicans created this mess. George W. Bush and Dick Cheney, aided and abetted by Republican majorities in both houses of Congress for the first 6 of their 8 years, led the country into the worst economic disaster this country has seen in 80 years. Now they are trying to convince us that they are the only solution to our current economic woes.
I think NOT!!
Mike,
First about your "no taxes" states list. Those states pay taxes through other means. For example the Bahamas has a massive sales tax. Everything almost costs double what it does in America. Most of those other states have similar programs where other taxes are increased to make up for non-taxed income.
Secondly about your net job growth post. You choose to look at it that way because it makes Obama look bad. What you need to focus on is the fact that under his watch the economy has added about 5 million jobs and has filled the massive void left by the 2008 crash.
When you lose jobs they do not miraculously come back over a year and a half, it takes a long time for jobs to return after what happened in 2008. I still think anyone calling 2008 a recession is mental; it was an economic crash, the boat capsized. It was not a recession nor a depression, a recession followed it starting in 2009 but the actual event was a complete upheaval of our economic system after the Housing bubble set fire to everything even remotely related to it and then nuked out work force by causing spineless business to start massive layoffs.
We were losing almost 800,000 jobs a month when Bush left office. By the end of 2009 that was severely cut back. But 2011 we had positive job growth and have sustained slow job growth ever since. The only way to recover our economy is to do it slowly, the quick way you seem to prefer causes bubbles and is the reason we have been locked in a 20-year recession cycle since the growth is partially based off of fake growth.
Not that I am naive, I know the fed is pumping money into the markets however that money does not translate to job growth laterally. It just encourages business to start hiring again as they see their stocks and investments leveling out in addition to increase consume confidence and spending.
It may not be an ideal solution but a painful recovery is a hell of a lot better than a quick one with a brick wall a few hundred miles down the path that we slam into. This way when we hit that wall it will not hurt as much.
Our debt is a long term problem, it has no short term solution. The deficit is a short term problem and it is being dealt with. By 2017 the deficit will be down around 600B to 750B at projected spending levels according to the CBO. The only way to deal with the deficit is to cut spending and increase taxes by raising rates and closing loopholes. 3 to 1 cuts to tax increases is a fair place to start, but only once the economy has stabilized and the fed is not throwing money at the markets. This is because once the money train stops there will be a bit of a contracture but if the economy is stable enough it will be temporary and that is how we will know it can sustain cuts and increased taxes.
We may not even need to increase taxes too much by then as the more people that are working and spending to more taxes that will be taken in.
ivan, NC - Agree with you about being unhappy with "either" party, especially the "old" guard: McCain, Boehner, Pelosi, Reid, McConnell, Graham, Boxer, Feinstein, the cookie woman with the hats, etc...... They seem more interested in their lobby friends, politicing and votes than working to get our country on track. My opinion is we voters don't stand a chance until we clean house.
We have a concensus that Bush was an knucklehead..... but I can tell you that my pay check and take home was larger then than it is now.
Party plans? I'd ask the same question about the Dem's - I've heard no plan but "stimulus" and money give aways that we working/middle class keep getting the privlage of paying for. Am I missing something and where are "WE" getting the money to pay for it? I for one am tapped out!
I think you've hit the nail squarely on the head - "millionares and members of Congress" seem to be tied together.
John:
You are correct. Unfortunately our government has indoctrinated our children through the public school system.
They are graduating from high school and can't write a grammatically correct paragraph.
They can't make change without the register telling them.
They have received "participation" trophies and never learned the concept of losing and how that drives and teaches a person that when they work harder and sacrifice video game time to practice and become better educated they will succeed.
They are taught that "Jesus" cannot be discussed on school campus.
But then they are not taught the important items like Geography, American History, and the American Constitution. They don't understand this country was founded on the concept of individual freedom and opportunity.
We look around the world and we see country after country after country after country in deep trouble due to government's spending money they don't have but yet our politicians and leadership are so naive to think WE can borrow money in a similar manner and not have the same outcome. But we will. But we are.
In programs such as AA, stop smoking, and dieting there is stated such a simply but necessary concept that must be recognized first - and that is to simply admit and understand you have a problem. But yet our government STILL won't recognize they have a problem.
We owe nearly $17 Trillion and the interest ALONE every year is about $250 Billion. Do they not understand what $250 Billion could buy if we didn't have that interest? But it gets worse. We still are borrowing. And when interest rates go to 4%, 5%, or even 8% we could find that annual interest payment approaching $1 Trillion. There is no way we can afford to pay back the money already owed.
But it gets even worse. With the PROMISES of future Social Security/Medicare/etc. we have promised the citizens over $125 TRILLION in what is called "Unfunded Liabilities". That is money and benefits promised there is NO WAY we can pay. But yet our government STILL says we don't have a problem.
It is sad to see what is happening in this country. Taxes WILL have to go up on everybody. And they will have to double what they are now. You don't like what you paid LAST year in taxes? Well double it. THAT is coming. When that happens I am done. That is when I quit working. I work for myself - not the government. And when it no longer makes sense to work because I can't keep what I make then I quit working. I have saved enough I can do it but what is sad is the NEXT generation will be the first generation to have a LOWER standard of living than the previous generation. And liberal policies are to blame.
ProBusiness
It is denial.
Many believe that we are omnipotent, and refuse to accept that there could be a downside. They refuse to accept that if investors that buy our debt stop because we are a credit risk what WILL happen. That ALL entitlements WILL end. SS, Medicare, all the way through Welfare. The Dept of Ed should end anyway, but the school system will fall apart when unfunded, and we will never recover when all we produce are stupid citizens. People think the movie "Idiocracy" is a comedy, but it is real.
When we spent nearly a trillion dollars last year on welfare alone to fund those that don't produce into the middle class just so they don't rob and kill us in our sleep, we have gone down a path that is unrecoverable.
Many who believe that the government is their savior don't understand that people who are producers do have the choice not to continue. They think that if I quit, someone will magically step up to take my place and contribute the 15 million that I have to GDP over the last ten years. Who? Them? And become hypocrites unto themselves? I doubt it.
Tired of looters.
John:
You are correct. I teach college economics and the example I use in class is:
What if I was known as a teacher who required no homework, there were no exams, and I only take attendance. If you come to class you get an "A". I don't even care if you stay awake but you come to class you will get an "A".
Wouldn't many students want to take my class? Wouldn't the word get out that if you take my class you will be given an "A" without earning it? You will get an "A" without sacrificing time and energy? Wouldn't my class be the most popular class?
That might help you in the short run but will hurt you in the long run. When others WITH that knowledge are able to take advantage of that, earn more, make more of an impact, and be more successful then you will suffer the consequences of getting something for nothing.
THAT is what is happening in our country. The people elect a politician based on what "free stuff" they can get and THINK that helps them. It does the complete opposite. Yes the government gives you food, rent credits, etc. but you still can't earn a decent living. Why? Because you haven't increased your value. To elect a politician based on what they GIVE you hurts you in the long run.
But that is the current generation. Being told they don't have to work towards something. Telling them they cannot succeed on their own and the only solution is dependence on the government.
Very sad. It wasn't like this 40 years ago. Back then we worked for our success. And when we saw someone with a nice car we said to our friends "with hard work and sacrifice one of these days I will OWN a car like that!!". Now kids see someone driving a nice car and they say "it is not FAIR they get a nice car. We should find a way to TAKE that car away from them!!". Sad. So very sad.
ProBusiness
I think this says it all.
"A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the majority discovers it can vote itself largess out of the public treasury. After that, the majority always votes for the candidate promising the most benefits with the result the democracy collapses because of the loose fiscal policy ensuing, always to be followed by a dictatorship, then a monarchy."
"The historical cycle seems to be: From bondage to spiritual faith; from spiritual faith to courage; from courage to liberty; from liberty to abundance; from abundance to selfishness; from selfishness to apathy; from apathy to dependency; and from dependency back to bondage once more."
Usually attributed to Tytler
rradiko:
I guess we all have our own definition of successful. Apparently yours merely requires that "most" of Obamas "investments" of taxpayer money have not yet gone bankrupt. You must be a government employee.
Successful investments are not dependent on government subsides. Successful investments produce dividends to their investors. Since my tax dollars helped finance the "green" energy projects I am entitled to a dividend. So far I have not received any checks, have you? To the contrary, solar farms that have been constructed with forced subsidies paid by local utility companies have INCREASED the cost of the electricity I use. Thats not my definition of successful.
The Oregon wind farm cited in the CNN article was built on 30 SQUARE MILES of private land owned by farmers who are paid millions of dollars in government agricultural subsidies. This in addition to the government subsidies needed for its construction. While some people are impressed by "bigness", the wind farm is essentially located in the middle of nowhere on land that is basically worthless unless you are an elk. At its peak it is "estimated" that it will produce enough electricity to service a whopping 235,000 homes. Whoa! I can't help but wonder what the consumers electric bills will be as they continue to subsidize such a colossal waste. Thankfully my local utility will not be building any solar farms.
What they will be building is infrastructure that will harness the enormous natural gas reserves that can now extracted in the northeast, WITHOUT government subsidies. They will in tern utilize the natural gas to produce electricity, where people need it, for a cheaper price. I'll take that as a dividend any day!
“We do not have an immediate debt crisis – but we all know that we have one looming,”
BS! Like giving TAX BREAKS to the wealthy JOB CREATORS will CREATE JOBS. Everything the GOP states as a FACT is a LIE. Like tax breaks for the wealthy create jobs. That cutting government spending creates economic activity. BS, TOTAL BS.
Now they want to RAISE THE SOCIAL SECURITY AGE to create jobs. Are they INSANE??
A REAL jobs package RAISES TAXES ON THE WEALTHY. It GETS RID OF the cap on the social security deduction and LOWERS the social security age while RAISING the benefits SO PEOPLE CAN RETIRE and give their jobs to YOUNGER WORKERS.
A REAL JOBS PACKAGE has SINGLE PAYER UNIVERSAL HEALTHCARE with OUTCOME BASED PAYMENTS to private providers. THEN people are not afraid to start new businesses because they will lose their healthcare or, like me, have a loved one DIE while trying to strike out on their own because healthcare was to expensive.
You FAUX NEWS bozos that are NOT WEALTHY yet listen to and believe those EVIL ROGER AILES lies are the worst. You are getting it in the tail and all you can say is DITTO! DITTO!
DISGUSTING!
ProBusiness: Thank you for your eloquence on the thread, you tell the story beautifully.
The 47% Romney referenced in his speech can also be in large part labeled politically the Henny Penny Party: they don't want to clear the field, sow the seed, tend the crop, reap the crop, prepare the flour or bake the bread. Of course, they want to eat the result of Henny's labor at no cost to themselves.
To paraphrase the chef on the Seinfeld show: No bread for you! (But enjoy your free gov't cheese.)
We should have a federal jobs program like the WPA during the 1930's and tax the highest income bracket at 90% like we did during the Republican Eisenhower administration in the 1950's.
Wall Street got massive socialism after they crashed the economy in 2008, trillions of dollars from the feds in bail-outs and guaranties while Main Street was told by both Bush and Obama they would just have to wait for the "market" and the "private economy" to help them out.
As a result the banks are doing better than ever and Main Street is still in the dumps.
After the crash in 1929 we got a different kind of socialism, this time for the entire population. Unemployment started going down immediately and after the war when many New Deal policies continued we had two solid decades economic boom and rising standards of living.
Case closed: socialism works.
Pro-business: Very sad. It wasn't like this 40 years ago. Back then we worked for our success. And when we saw someone with a nice car we said to our friends "with hard work and sacrifice one of these days I will OWN a car like that!!". Now kids see someone driving a nice car and they say "it is not FAIR they get a nice car. We should find a way to TAKE that car away from them!!". Sad. So very sad.
Unlike Pro-business I pity the current generation. They've been ripped off and deluded by the media, economics teachers (you get tenure much easier when you embrace the current orthodoxy) and some of the people on this board.
40 years ago the income tax on the top bracket (richest) was still 70% so government aid (student grants, AFDC, school funding, public housing etc) was much stronger than today. The Sixties had just ended but the prosperity created by the progressive economic policies that were still in place from the New Deal era and high unionism helped keep wages high and since most people had more money they spent it and made the economy strong and created more jobs.
And contrary to what Pro says people worked hard even with more government assistance. The only difference was that when you worked hard back then you really got ahead because wages and benefits were much better than today.
Most families these days both parents work and some have more than one job and still have trouble making ends meet.
In the early 1970's probably still most families only had one working but soon things would go downhill as "free-market" "Neoliberal" economics became dominant in the late 1970s and early '80's.
Even though the economy went down in the early '70's because the oil shocks from the first OPEC price raising and the budget cutting of 1969 it was still much better than today.
Back then New Deal era Glass Steagal law separating investment banks from commercial banks was still in effect keeping things like the 2008 crash from happening and if a credit card company had charged 30%+ interest like they do now they would have been investigated by the FBI as a possible Mafia loan sharking operation.
As Pro-business says 40 years ago things were definitely better but not for the reasons he says.
Dorkier,,is a patsy for the party of no,,,
Bulletman357
You are a parrot for the party of stupidity!
Supposedly the Dems have been laser focused on job creation for 4+ years and they still haven't a clue!! The government can't create jobs unless they are government jobs. The way a government promotes job growth is to get off the back of the free market and let the private companies develop without constricting regulations, heavy taxes etc.
Where are the shovel ready jobs? Where is Obama's laser focus on jobs? Just more campaign slogan from the never ending campaign.
LOL....
Mr. Obama stated in early 2009 that his PRIORITY was JOBS and that he woke up every morning thinking about JOBS.
His priorities changes with the wind. Every day there is a NEW crisis.
Yep, "Drama" Obama couldn't keep his promise then, so why does anyone think the Progressives have their focus on JOBS again ?
BTW: the government DOES NOT CREAT JOBS, businesses do.
Wait a minute....this administration just added thousands of IRS jobs to make sure EVERYONE pays a fine if they do not purchase a Health Care Plan and the DSHS has hired thousands of folks not in the health industry to WRITE more regulations for ObamaCare. Oh....those are government jobs.
Four years, and there are FEWER jobs now than when Obama took office.
Absent a change in direction, all I hear is "we're going to"...
What will it take, for the Democrats to admit whatever "plan" they've had in place for the past four years hasn't worked.
For the record, I'm NOT one of those that buys into the Dem argument that "it's as good as it can be" given the hand they were dealt...
Our debt at $9,000,000,000,000 was "UNPATRIOTIC AND IRREPSONSIBLE" - according to then Senator Obama in 2008. Now that it's nearly twice that, it's no longer even an issue in the eyes of this President.
The American people had better wake up, and fast.
The jobs program has been sitting on do nothing Boner's desk for years. It is modeled on the New Deal which produced growth rates of 9-11% for years.
The Great Depression was caused by bad republicon economic policies the Great Recession was also caused by bad republicon economic policies. The New Deal was what worked the first time around and something like it will work again. But not until after we kick you do nothing republicons out of the House in 2014.
Daily Kos: FDR and the New Deal Did Not Prolong the Great Depression
The government does NOT create jobs.... and KOS is purely propaganda...total garbage.
Boehner is ONE person in congress...that votes. Nice try at deflection from the simple fact that the whole Obama administration and democrats are NOT going to help business and business's creating jobs.
So hows that Solyndra employment working out???
milkit...
You're conveniently forgetting the collapse of the housing industry, largely causal to the recession, was due to Democratic policies pushing home ownership (mortgages) for EVERYONE, whether they could afford them, or not.
Two words...
BARNEY FRANK.
Or Ener1, or Fisker, or SolFocus, or the Weatherization Program, or the Cash for Clunkers, or the Cash for appliances, or those "shovel ready" jobs, or .......
Good thing the GOP never said that jobs were their first priority. Their first priority was making Obama a one- term President.
That sure worked out well for them.
Speaker Boner pledged to create jobs when he became speaker in January 2011, where are the jobs after more than 2 years?
Boehner's recent failure of leadership led to a sequester which will cause losses of 750,000 jobs.
Ironic??
And Obama's tax increase led to more jobs lost than that. Boehner can only do so much with the democrats blocking him every step of the way....You should actually blame the people that have the majority control, not the minority party.
Severed Head - at least they worked at what they said they would. Obama hasn't even done that!
Mr. "Drama" Obama promised the unemployment rate would be at 5.6% after his first two years in office. His "shovel ready" Stimulus program did wonders for the National Budget/Deficit, ramping up the number of employed folks, and providing paybacks to his "friends", campaign contributors, and special interest friends.
Mr. "Drama" Obama's "sequester" is really working well. His Progressive Cabinet members are doing a good job at targeting Main Street America. And his Progressive surrogate, Peppermint Patty, really submitted a wonderful Progressive budget which will wind up in the nearest trash can.
Really like the unconstitutional NLRB members, appointed by Mr. "Drama" Obama during the Congressional "recess", are still working while thousands are out of a job, and that the Progressives are talking about jobs when these ILLEGAL NLRB members are still working in government.
Yep, Mr. "Drama" Obama's continuous failure is due to a complete lack of understanding the job of the President of the United States which requires LEADERSHIP and not community organizing skills.
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BTW: Where is the National Budget for the past FOUR YEARS, which is REQUIRED BY FEDERAL LAW ?
Yeah because Obama hasn't come up with several jobs plans. He's been on TV at least a dozen times in the last few years trying to push his jobs bills. Where have you been NVArt? Under a rock?
Do nothing Republicans can only say no no no no no no no no. They never do anything else.
"JOBS JOBS JOBS" - Boehner
Where are the jobs Boehner? Isn't that why you got elected in 2010? You promised jobs? Put up or shut up Congress. 2014 is here and 'no' doesn't cut it. If I sat at my job and said no for 4 years straight I'd be unemployed.
Republican Compromise, That's like asking the Irish to go dry on St. Patrick's day, "Wink Wink" !!!
Aww, look at all the cute little knuckle draggers.
The republicon government does not create jobs. Presidents Clinton, Carter, and Johnson all created more jobs per year than the best republicon, Saint Reagan.
You republicons had total control of all three branches of government for 6 years, and you want to blame someone, anyone else for your failure at governing the economy. Bush/cheney has the worst record for job creation on record.
Not one of you has disproved the fact that the New Deal delivered a 9% growth rate in the economy. Why are you against 9% growth?
Daily Kos: FDR and the New Deal Did Not Prolong the Great Depression
Pearl Harbor and WW2 ended the depression putting every man and woman in America to work making bombs, weapons or fighting in the war.
We are way to far in debt already for this trick to work again. Right now we need to either default our way out of debt or inflate our way out. Either way a lot of very angry pensioners are going to be doing without.
Pigotry, the Obama tax increases harm the poor more than ANY other group. At a WHOPPING 3% in addition to the massive cost hikes in rents, gas and groceries I am surprised most Obama worshipers are not living in tents by now. Or are they?
Yep! We heard that all through the Bush years. As a matter of fact, that was the driving force behind two massive tax cuts, wasn't it? That was also the reason for Bush's insistence on no no government regulation or oversight for banks and the mortgage lenders. Let's just take a look at how that worked out...
Employment peaked in Jan, 2008 at 146,378,000. By Dec, 2008, that number had fallen to 143,369,000. 3 million lost jobs in the last year of the Bush presidency.
Nor was it done there. By Dec, 2009, the number had fallen to 138,025,000. That's another 5 million lost jobs in the 12 months following the Bush presidency.
That's a grand total of 8 million lost jobs in 2 years at the end of the disastrous Bush presidency.
Republicans created this mess. George W. Bush and Dick Cheney, aided and abetted by Republican majorities in both houses of Congress for the first 6 of their 8 years, led the country into the worst economic disaster this country has seen in 80 years. Now you are trying to convince us that they are the only solution to our current economic woes.
BZZZZT! Try again!
The reason the Bush era was disastrous was because trillions of dollars were loaned to people who could not afford homes and credit cards etc. It bought our banking system down hard. This was ALL the responsibility of the Democrats trying to make home ownership available to minorities in their usual poorly thought out way.
As to the Wars I agree these should never have happened and no good has come of any of them, but when it comes to the banking collapse I do hold Bush accountable for failing to put his foot down on easy credit when he had a chance to prevent the Dems from setting the housing bubble in motion and even more Greenspan.
Today our president and trusty FED chief are busy blowing yet another massive bubble in the stock market and we all know this will not end well since it is not based on strong sales but on 85 billion a month heading into the stock markets.
Nope. George W. Bush was pushing housing loans to minorities since the day he took office. And the only way he could see to do that was to drop downpayment requirements. The American Dream Downpayment initiative was sponsored only by Republicans, passed by Republican majorities in both houses of Congress and signed into law by George W. It reduced downpayment requirements from 10% down to 3%. Ol' Dubya continued to push for 0% downpayment but, in a rare moment of sanity, Congress wouldn't go for that! Good thing, otherwise the recession could have been worse.
And Bush wouldn't let anyone interfere with the runaway subprime mortgage glut that he helped cause. Mike Oxley, a staunch Republican and hardly a flaming liberal, tried to regulate some of the mess in 2005, long before the crisis hit, and he has prime, choice words for George W. Bush. Google "one-finger salute from the White House" to get his take.
Now, that is in addition to the interference that Bush threw up for any local efforts to reign in the housing mess. Google "preemption and the mortgage crisis" to get an idea of just how much that effort by ol' Dubya cost the country.
And, finally, go over to the NY Times and read their series of article "The Reckoning" to get an in-depth accounting of Bush's mistakes during his 8 years that led to the mortgage crisis. Published in 2009, just after the sh!t hit the fan, this is one of the most in-depth looks at what will surely go down in history as the biggest mistake this country made in the choice of presdents in more than 200 years!
Nope, sorry, this is a republican recession!
Boehner's recent failure of leadership led to a sequester which will cause losses of 750,000 jobs. -pigotry
Once again you are quoting out of the DNC play book without knowing what you are talking about. Sequestration occurred because a budget was not passed that met the requirement spelled out in the Budget Control Act, which was voted for by both parties. The reason that a budget has not been passed is because the Senate has not passed a budget or any appropriation bills, even though their subcommittees have completed their work. Speaker Boehner has led the House in passing a budget and the appropriation bills. The failure of leadership for the sequester lies with Sen Reid and the leader of the Democratic Party, President Obama. After all, the idea for sequestration came out of the White House.
By the way, tomorrow almost 800,000 DoD civilian employees will receive notification that if this is not resolved by April 25th they will get a pay cut of 20% through September 30th.
Huh? With the Democrats? What are YOU smoking? Boehner long ago ADMITTED IN SO MANY WORDS that he would take the country down the toilet to make Obama a one-term president. WELL, HE FAILED AT THAT TOO. Despite Boehner's BEST EFFORTS, the economy is coming back and we ARE creating jobs - something the GOP will NEVER do because it goes against their "keep 'em unemployed so we can hire 'em cheap" philosophy.
The GOP is a mass of TRAITORS against America. They ONLY have allegiance to their CORPORATE OVERLORDS. They HATE AMERICA and everything it stands for.
GOP: FIND YOUR OWN COUNTRY! THIS ONE BELONGS TO THE PEOPLE NOT THE CORPORATIONS!
$16 trillion in debt and job creation? Let's not forget about the seeming forever blossoming of the ACA, also known as Obamacare, which has yet come to full fruition. Let's also not forget what we were told by Obama and the Democrats
We have to pass it before we will know what’s in it we are seeing more bs in the ACA than ever thought could be rammed into a bill
The ACA will not add a dime to the deficit The CBO has stated the ACA will add over $1 trillion to the deficit.
The bills will be posted on line so everybody can read them so they can tell their representative how to vote How long was the bill up before the vote was taken? How long does it take to read a bill that is 2500 pages? Will you understand what was written when it is in legalese????
If you like your insurance you can keep it “You” can keep it as long as it is the amount the government says you HAVE to HAVE If your plan isn't what the government says you have to have you lose it. I know been there done that lost my insurance, It did what I needed and didn't bankrupt me but I didn't have catastrophic coverage so I couldn't keep it
If you like your doctor you can keep him many doctors don't like this because they are limited as to what they can and can not do in many areas. Also they do not like the government getting between them and their patients. Do you want your medical information setting on the web where all kinds of people can see it??? Who knows who in the government will be looking at your information?
The ACA will give parents a way to keep their kids on their plan while they are in college Insurance companies have had that for many years. My brothers and sister kept their kids on their plans while they were in college up to a certain age which could have been changed by increasing the age a few years.
Obamacare people love it sorry
only parasites and marxists love Obamacare.
I will never purchase nor participate- I would love to send Obamacare to the pit of hell where it belongs
sorry Larry you already get free doctor visits at the VA..your a Republican taker..commie
I don't use the VA or any doctors. I don't believe in doctors or the so-called medicine they practice
and as I keep reminding you and other commies, I'm not a Republican. I consider the Republican party to be socialist.
larry dont lie buddy with your skipper hat on..you are a taker
larry does not use any doctor...hahahahahaha
I was raised and practiced natureopathic health. I don't believe in doctors and carry a living will card to ensure that in the event I'm unable to communicate that my beliefs are respected in this matter
I've gone my entire life without it and have no intention of ever using the medical care in this country. I carry a card that reads:
I, __________________________________, being of sound mind, make this statement as a
directive to be followed if I become permanently unable to participate in decisions regarding my
Medical care. These instructions reflect my firm and settled commitment to decline medical
treatment under the circumstances indicated below.
I direct my attending physician and other medical personnel to withhold or withdraw treatment that
serves only to prolong the process of my dying, if I should be in an incurable or irreversible mental
or physical condition with no reasonable expectation of recovery
.
These instructions apply if I am: a) in a terminal condition; b) permanently unconscious; or c) if I
am conscious but have irreversible brain damage and will never regain the ability to make decisions
and express my wishes.
I direct that treatment be limited to measures to keep me comfortable and to relieve pain, including
any pain that might occur by withholding or with drawing treatment. While I understand that I am
not legally required to be specific about future treatments, if I am in the condition(s) described
above, I feel especially strong about the following forms of treatment.
I do not want cardiac resuscitation.
I do not want mechanical respiration.
I do not want tube feeding.
I do not want antibiotics.
I do want maximum pain relief.
Other instructions (insert personal instructions):
I HEREBY APPOINT
Name:
Address:
Phone Number:
as my health care agent to make all health care decisions for me in conformity with the guidelines I
have expressed in this document. I direct my agent to make health care decisions in accordance
with my wishes and instructions as stated above or as otherwise known to him or her. I also direct
my agent to abide by any limitations on his or her authority as stated above or as otherwise known
to him or her.
if you hate the government so bad...why did you serve in the military..now remember.there were no tea nuts when you served.only socialist republicans remember
I served in the military to fight communism and preserve liberty. I have been fighting against the communists in our own govt for over 50 years because I love our Constitution and the liberty it sought to give us. Liberty that the communist and socialist politicians have been stealing from us for the past 100 years.
I haven't served socialist Republicans- I vote against them just like I vote against the Communist Democrats.
hahahah your brain is gone
Differing opinions scare Elvis that's why this person uses name calling. A perfect case in the liberal psychosis. This person is also into categorization in order to trivialize differing opinion. Another case in the liberal psychosis.
This person needs to be ignored for no substance will come of any dialogue.
But really, Larry's retirement is just another social entitlement which places Larry in the 47% of those takers who refuse to have responsibility for their own lives. ROFLMAO@U
God says do not let the right hand know what the left hand is doing
Military benefits are EARNED. While the rest proceed with things that benefit their life, and advance a career, the military protect their ability to do so. It is the military, active service or veterans that are the givers, the rest are nothing more than takers. Those that serve in our nations military are in an exclusive group, the only citizens that have written a blank check to the citizens of the United States of America, in the amount of up to and including their life.
so republicans Democrats independents who work there azzezz off are takers now of what is there's right?????
all that i named depend of benefits
Says the man who immediately resorts to name-calling in his next sentence.
Just sayin'...
IMHO- I don't take any retirement- don't believe in it.
I know Severed, right?
These mouth breathers clog up the board frothing at the mouth with their "commie" nonsense. Then they whine and cry about name calling in the next breath.
If I ever ran into one on the street and he called me commie he'd get a black eye. Stale pathetic attempts to resuscitate McCarthyism are stupid.
I'll be your huckleberry "Dangerous Mind".
You marxists hate to be called what you really are.
Tell me which of these you disagree with
A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.
Abolition of property in land and application of all rents of land to public purposes. (eminent domain)
Abolition of all rights of inheritance. (estate tax)
Centralization of credit in the banks of the state, by means of a national bank with state capital and an exclusive monopoly. (Federal Reserve)
Centralization of the means of communication and transport in he hands of the state.(FCC & Dept Of Transportation)
Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the state; the bringing into cultivation of waste lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan.(AIG, GM, Dept of Agriculture, OSHA, EPA)
Equal obligation of all to work. Establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture.
Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of all the distinction between town and country by a more equable distribution of the populace over the country.
Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children's factory labor in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production, etc
Retirement plans and SS are NOT entitlements,they are what people worked and paid into!Entitlements are welfare and Illegals mooching of the Tax payer including corporate america?
But GI Bills and tuition assistance are right?
The military could not protect us from internal Trojan horses like the democrat party. We awoke one day and despite having the most sophisticated military might and the best military persons on the planet we had been invaded by millions of people from the south that HATE America and all it stands for and they had elected a Kenyan who was raised in Indonesia as a Muslim who hates America and all it stands for. Our military was simply the wrong tool to defend our nation against this kind of assault!
The good men and women of the military have done all in their power to protect our once great nation but we have been turned on internally by the Democrat party and its followers. The goal to make sure ALL Americans share the LOWEST possible life outcomes where each and every person is equally poor and destitute!
My turnWi sorry but SS and Medicare ARE entitlement programs where recipients claim over 3 times more than was paid in. Longer life spans and higher medical costs have turned these programs into catastrophes! ONLY 1 dollar in 3 is not entitlement!
OBAMACARE? It is ROMNEYCARE and when it was called that the GOP LOVED IT!
This demonstrates the LIES the GOP tells. It demonstrates that the GOP is trying to defeat the Democrats by DESTROYING AMERICA. When the progressives GIVE IN and propose EXACTLY WHAT THE GOP has been crying for for YEARS the GOP DEMONIZES IT and calls it a terrible policy. Well, if they REALLY THOUGHT it was so TERRIBLE WHY DID THEY PROPOSE IT???
I'm sorry. I used to have a TINY BIT of respect for the GOP but the Tea Baggers and Boehner sucking up to that miserable bunch of MORON SHILLS FOR THE CORPORATIONS has made me ILL.
BTW: BOEHNER EVEN LIES ABOUT HIS NAME. IT IS PRONOUNCED "BONER"!
Maybe then should shorten the length of unemployment benefits to a year, 99 weeks in some cases allows no incentive to go and find a job.
In a difficult economy 99 weeks may not be enough, especially if the cuts in benefits from sequestration kick in. I was unemployed for 2 and a half years in the early part of the 2000's. I spent every day looking for a job, visiting every job site I knew and applying to everything I was qualified for (even remotely qualified for). If it wasn't for unemployment insurance I wouldn't be the successful person I am today.
Actually, unemployment benefit duration varies by state. The long term benefits you speak of are just emergency measures to keep people from starving due to the Republican created recession.
Then maybe we should just eliminate it entirely. Based on your logic that would provide even more incentive.
Why would people work making $200.00 when unemployment pay's over $300.00 a week??? Manny Seniors only recieve a little more than $1000.00 a month and there are a lot getting less
Myturn, where I live, you can't turn down a job offer because of what it pays (I know, try to prove it, but still...). You can turn it down if it's out of your customary profession, which is fair. A computer programmer shouldn't be forced to clean toilets- it's not welfare, it's insurance.
I would turn it back to a maximum of 3 months.
In a bad economy you need to be prepared to accept LESS and getting 99 weeks of unemployment on the backs of private enterprise is no incentive to go back to work at all!
Robert Warner this recession is due entirely to democrats forcing banks to reduce loan standards to allow minorities to purchase homes. Talk about SPEAK!
No incentive to find a job? You mean, taking a 75% pay cut isn't enough?
I have a better idea. Make UNEMPLOYMENT BENEFITS PERMANENT. Like FOREVER. Pay for it by RAISING CAPITAL GAINS TO 25%.
That would do MORE FOR THE ECONOMY THAN ANYTHING THE GOP HAS DONE IN 50 YEARS!
he has that right...create the jobs you tea nuts promised..oh thats right governmnet does not create jobs huh dumb azz tea nuts
NO can do we have an Obama economy now - no jobs, not hope, no change!
From here forward for the next 3 years at least do not expect to find work anywhere in the US!
No JOBS? LIE! Obama has created MORE JOBS that EVERY BUSH COMBINED!
You want jobs? TAX THE FILTHY RICH at the same rate as their SECRETARIES and put that money into PRODUCTIVE THINGS like Infrastructure.
It is called an INVESTMENT. And NO, an AIRCRAFT CARRIER is NOT an investment. It is a COST and a TOTAL WASTE OF MONEY. We do NOT need a military the size of the one we have. 1/10th the size is PLENTY and would keep us from doing STUPID THINGS like IRAQ! Any administration that PISSES OFF the world so bad we NEED such a military should be lined up against a wall because they are TRAITORS (BUSH 1 and BUSH 2 - I am LOOKING AT YOU).
hey house the highway bill is a jobs creation dumb azz
The Republicans are tenacious in the spouting off about growth, while they stifle growth with thier rhetoric about spending. There can be o growth without jobs. They deliberately squashed the Presidents's job plan and produced no JOBS plan of their own and now the counsel about deficits mattter. When will we learn that Republicans don't care as long as their wealthy friends are protected period.This talk about budgets is a smokescreen to preserve the wealthy's wealth.not solve the country's economic woes.The millionaires in Congress are protecting their own intrests, their kids will be alright, their families will not go hungry, their healthcare is secure. While they dither about millions of Americans very lives,they they sick to trash the programs that help the less fortunate..
thats corrct we need a bumper sticker what you just said on every car in America
Republicans: Only the rich deserve to live.
Republicans: The only job they care about is their own.
@7.1
thats corrct we need a bumper sticker what you just said on every car in America
I have one, take a look at my avatar, feel free to copy it and make stickers
Gubamit jobs that produce NO value!
No value? How do you figure?
So meat that is safe to eat is of NO VALUE?
Water that is safe to drink has NO VALUE?
Education has NO VALUE?
Highways have NO VALUE?
No. What has NO VALUE is the DEFENSE DEPARTMENT. They SUCK MONEY LIKE CRAZY and then, AT BEST, they produce SURPLUS and SCRAP. AT WORST, their existence causes MORONS like BUSH and CHENEY to get us into WARS like IRAQ.
You GOP Muttonheads have a REAL FUNNY IDEA of VALUE!
Elvis- maybe you ought to heed the words of your messiah
“The White House
Office of the Press Secretary
For Immediate Release September 08, 2010
Remarks by the President on the Economy in Parma, Ohio
Cuyahoga Community College West Campus, Parma, Ohio
"Now, we have a different vision for the future. See, I’ve never believed that government has all the answers to our problems. I’ve never believed that government’s role is to create jobs or prosperity. I believe it’s the drive and the ingenuity of our entrepreneurs, our small businesses; the skill and dedication of our workers -- (applause) -- that’s made us the wealthiest nation on Earth. (Applause.) I believe it’s the private sector that must be the main engine for our recovery.
I believe government should be lean; government should be efficient. I believe government should leave people free to make the choices they think are best for themselves and their families, so long as those choices don’t hurt others. (Applause.)"
http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2010/09/08/r...
government does create jobs..you dumb azz...do you drive on highways..drink fresh water?
larry you get military benefits...you cant lie your way out of that....your a socialist that relies on the VA
I don't draw military benefits-
I pay more in taxes every month than you earn in a year.
yeah that's right you give it to Charity huh..like Romney huh
Those are temporary jobs and should be funded by the state.
A new way of extracting the energy from coal without burning it has been discovered.
Put the thousands of coal miners back to work that were laid off because of over regulation.
We need private sector jobs in the energy field, jobs that are an asset to the economy, not a million federal workers that are a liability to the economy.
No Elvis- I submit quarterly tax payments to the IRS- that is separate from my charitable giving
I pay nearly $100,000 per month to the IRS for Income taxes
yep privatization is what they want...remember Enron..remember high price electric bills...no thanks..some things just do not need privatized
Enron and deregulation. I remember California's energy bill going up by over $11 Billion in less than a year after deregulation. But, it was a republicon energy plan written by Pete Wilson with input from Phil Gramm...................
yes but they forget
Elvis - go back to song writing! Elvis Presley made a fortune the American way. Stop worrying about folks with more than you and start thinking about how YOU can make your life better. Even with an Obama economy I am adapting and doing better and better despite the headwinds and failed economy. Not because I am entitled to do so, but because I am driven to do so.
Prosperity is like an ocean. There are no limits and it makes no difference how much you take there will always be plenty for the next enterprising person. UNLESS your government taxes it all away!
The middle of a recession--which we are still in--look around--is not the place to government spending.
And please remember that where the Republicans want to cut spending is Medicare and Social Security. Paul Ryan, who appears to run on wind-up clockwork--which nobody has ever fixed, nor even been allowed to examine--Paul Ryan this week put out another budget with the same killing off of Medicare in favor of yet another voucher system, and with grants to states. Those of us who have paid for those things all our lives don't care for this.
all they are ...are paid corporations that got in office.to do just that
Which is more important to you. The survival of the country or keeping entitlements as they are? Maybe you should investigate where the tax money is going. I will give you a link to the waste.
http://www.naturalnews.com/035649_DHS_ammunition_domestic_war.html
If you gun nuts were not running around claiming you need military weapons so that you can revolt against our legally and popularly elected government, perhaps the DHS would not feel the need to get ready for you. Cause and effect.
Social Security is is solvent beyond my lifetime. It does not need to be fixed, and Medicare can be easily fixed with stopping the price gouging and means testing. Do you pay $1.50 a pill for Tylenol? Medicare does and it was you republicons who made it so in 2006.
I present a conversation between an elderly couple, in the near future, should Paul Ryan's budhet and it's conversion of medicare to a voucher system be enacted;
(Husband, yelling from the mailbox)"Hey Martha, we got our coupon!! It's not enough for your cancer treatment but we can finally get that wart burned off of my butt"
(Wife, calling back)"Well, only if we buy a cheaper coffin for me!".
I disagree. The middle of a recession is exactly the time to increase government spending. It will help to pull us out of that recession. We need to worry about the debt after we repair the economy. We need to be careful not to repeat the mistake of 1937.
Agreed! What was the mistake of 1937? It was Roosevelt backing off on his New Deal and the economy immediately tanking. When he went back to New Deal policies the economy took off again with an 11% growth rate.
Daily Kos: FDR and the New Deal Did Not Prolong the Great Depression
Who says the survival of the country and reducing entitlements are in ANY WAY related. That is the GOP BIG LIE. We will be BETTER OFF with higher entitlements like Social Security and Healthcare and HIGHER TAXES on the WEALTHY.
LOOK AT THE RESULTS! We have tried giving all the money to the WEALTHY and they took it and ran off.
FIRE THE WEALTHY. THEY HAVE FAILED AS JOB CREATORS. Now give the money to the MIDDLE CLASS that Bush STOLE IT FROM. THAT will create jobs!
What's important here is that we are witnessing the death throes of the Republican Party. They are kicking and screaming and criticizing everything but to no avail. Thus, coming soon is the inevitable end of the Republican Party and its cohorts, the Tea Party and Right Wing base. GOP = Grim Ornery Pricks = Grimy Old Politicians = Gross Old Partisans = Groping Oily Palms, etc, etc. Whatever their true title - they are history. They have already destroyed millions of families and businesses, created world chaos and destroyed our reputation abroad. Revolt against these antiquated slobs and the Right Wing "Puritanical" Tea Party and their supporters. Prosecute their corruption; their treason and honor and protect our Constitution. Honor "Separation of Church and State" - there will be no "Christian Fundamentalist" government in America. These Fundamentalist want to use tax dollars to fund "Christian" schools, forcing the decay of publican education, hence, forcing public schools to completely crumble, thus forcing ordinary kids to either go without any education or attend "Religious" schools and "Religious teachings" like "Creationism" and the "Bible". Time the launch a revolution against Republicanism and "Religionism" - both are political, religious, moral and patriotic frauds. I welcome the demise of both and their political and religious narcissism! They have inflicted enough damage on the United States of America - and the world.
yes that's what i have been saying...and I'm a believer in Christ...that's the wrong way to go...people need to read about the dark ages
spoken like a true God hating, lying Communist.
Frankly I hope the Republican party does dissolve. We don't need two marxist parties in this country.
It is result of brainwashed lemming voters like yourself that have given the communist Democrats and Socialist Republicans the power to destroy our Constitutional Republic over the past 100 years.
It is no wonder that the brainwashed parasites and the hardcore marxists rise up with their twisted lies and vitriol to attack anyone who proposes that the US return to following the Constitution and reduce itself back to it's proper roles while leaving us alone to live our lives and the pursuit of happiness without a Totalitarian nanny state treating us like puppets on a string.
It is the marxist left voter who is defacto the enemy of liberty and our Constitutional Republic by empowering the communists in our country who make the decisions in Washington that continue to erode what few liberties we still enjoy while seeking to take our last dollar they have yet to steal.
larry do you know why our forfathers left to this new world dumb azz..constitution of not knowing sh-it can you tell me??
let me tell you..to get away from religious persecutions........people who think like you
no.no.no..the religious right will tell you they thought the world was flat...and you believe huh
I have no desire Elvis for a theocratic govt or religion dictating to govt
I believe in the Genesis creation story as true while also still understanding that the earth is probably between 4-6 Billion years old. The Bible and science are not contradictory on this.
Usher's chronology of time was a sincere but poorly derived conclusion
I wouldn't be surprised to see the radical liberals start acting like the taliban or al queda and start killing off Christians. They definitely have the hate in their heart.
no kevin its in your heart
Agreed elvis payne. Those like KevinT are not called Talibangicals without reason.
yes indeed if they had control people like me and you would be in jail on some kind of charge
Larry, why is it that I suspect that everyone who doesn't believe exactly as you do is a "a true God hating, lying Communist?"
But I have to admire your open admission, "Screw you; I got mine."
Larry's like a broken record skipping over and over and over and over.
"Liberal COMMUNIST! Damn red commie handout taking COMMIE liberal God hating socialists!"
-Larry Robinson
I could play him in a movie easily. That's the only line he ever has.
You marxists hate to be called what you really are.
Tell me which of these you disagree with
A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.
Abolition of property in land and application of all rents of land to public purposes. (eminent domain)
Abolition of all rights of inheritance. (estate tax)
Centralization of credit in the banks of the state, by means of a national bank with state capital and an exclusive monopoly. (Federal Reserve)
Centralization of the means of communication and transport in he hands of the state.(FCC & Dept Of Transportation)
Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the state; the bringing into cultivation of waste lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan.(AIG, GM, Dept of Agriculture, OSHA, EPA)
Equal obligation of all to work. Establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture.
Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of all the distinction between town and country by a more equable distribution of the populace over the country.
Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children's factory labor in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production, etc
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More demo-lib wrongheaded tripe. Yes, by all means job creation is the key. But, these dumb ass libs think it is government's place to create jobs. Idiots. Government jobs require more and more tax revenue to sustain. When private businesses are taxed to the limit, they cut their work force and do not hire new employees. So, what do you create, dem-lib idiots? A GIANT central government that can't do a damn thing correctly and costs billions and trillions to sustain. Instead of unleashing the free market and letting investors grow businesses to create jobs, these idiots want more government jobs. Its just more proof that libs have a mental disorder that keeps them from accurately depicting economic outcomes. They just don't get it. They want government to tell you what you can eat and drink, wipe your ass with, light your home with, drive, do with your property, etc. Government is their god. To them, 17 trillion in debt means nothing as long as they continue to get "free" services. Total idiots.
By all means, libs, create more government jobs. Who is going to pay for them, dumb asses?
In the dems' world, if you tear up a street and then replace it again the following year - thats called infrastructure development. Fence jumpers aren't law breakers - they are Immigrants and everyone who doesn't agree with that mentality is a racist. But if you create products that people want - then its nasty capitalism. Their fair share is 100% of earned income.... We can't have nasty capitalism...Someone might actually get rich...we don't want that. We want everyone poor.
When the private sector isn't creating family wage jobs then who should? Should we force the private sector to create jobs? No. Then maybe we can have our Government repair the infrastructure of America that the Government is responsible for. That would create jobs. But the republicans say NO! They would rather money be spent (given to Haliburton) for wars.
The New Deal created jobs and economic growth year after year during the worst of the Great Depression. 9% growth in his first term and 11% growth in his 2nd term. Why are republicons opposed to 9% economic growth?
Daily Kos: FDR and the New Deal Did Not Prolong the Great Depression
In the dems' world, if you tear up a street and then replace it again the following decade or three- thats called infrastructure development.
There, I fixed it for you. (And most of that work is actually done by private contractors.)
A classic Republican illustration of their lack of understanding as to how our economy works- except in an absurd extreme level, taxes have no bearing on job creation. Jobs are created when demand increases- only an idiot truly believes that when demand increases for a company's product that they won't increase production to meet that demand and achieve that proportionately larger profit. Demand increases when people have money to spend. Certainly, you want this money to come as much from the private sector as possible, but some things the private sector will not do. They will not build roads. They will not build infrastructure. They will not do ANYTHING that does not DIRECTLY effect their own bottom line even if, in the long run, it does actually benefit them along with every other American company.
A healthy work force- one with health insurance- is a more profitable, competitive workforce but they can't compete against other companies that don't offer health insurance. So, by cutting costs by not paying for health insurance, they lose money. So the government must step in to ensure the competitiveness and profitability of American companies with mandatory insurance that ALL companies must pay.
A good road system boosts a company's profits, but companies will not pay for an interstate road system because those who don't pay would be at a competitive advantage. So the government must step in to build and maintain roads, and tax for it, in order to ensure the competitiveness and profitability of American companies.
A well- educated and trained workforce boosts a company's profits, but companies will not pay for an education and training system because those who don't pay would be at a competitive advantage. So the government must step with a publ;ic school and secondary education system in order to ensure the competitiveness and profitability of American companies.
Unemployment provides companies with a ready and available workforce. But companies will not pay money to people who are not working for them, as that would put them at an economic disadvantage against other companies who don't pay.. Having access to reasonably fed and housed workers allows a company to function profitably but they won't willingly pay for that housing and nutrition. So the government must step in with an unemployment insurance system in order to ensure the competitiveness and profitability of American companies.
Republicans used to understand these thing without me having to explain it to them like a 5 year old. Unfortunately, in an attempt to gain the stupid vote, they sold their soul to the TeaParty, whose members lack the intellectual capacity and honesty needed to understand how our system works and to acknowledge the financial realities of a modern society.
Ah yes focus on jobs and the economy..what a novel idea!
They are doing a pitful poor job on jobs with the REALl unemployment rate well into the double digits! Politics is first if jobs are concerned.
If you want to reference the REAL unemployment rate, then you need to use the same REAL rate of past administrations. You can't compare numbers unless you're using the same numbers accross all data sets. The unemployment calculations in the current reports are compared to the same reports of past admins.
have yall notice what the house jobs plan has been ..witch hunts..of nothing...waste of tax money
Yes have you? There is a bill to guarantee small business loans that Harry Reid put in file 86. Keystone pipeline which will lower gas prices and create jobs. About 17 other jobs bills that Harry does not want.
Do you want to help the poor? High gas prices hurt them more then anyone. Gasoline is the life blood of the world.
kevin why did the tea nuts give 4 1/2 billion of our tax money to big oil?
Giving money to big oil isn't creating jobs. Just rich takers belonging to that 47% who won't take responsibility for their own lives.
Yes, if anything points out how the GOP wants nothing except the help the rich, at all costs, subsidies to oil companies are pretty glaring. BTW, Kevin, the idea that more oil will lower gas prices defies all observation. We have no oil shortage now- we don't need Keystone. Whe we want to risk our environment to help a Canadien company make money is beyond me. And before you start throwing out "job creation" numbers, most experts agree those numbers were hyper-inflated.
It should be obvious to anyone, to anyone with a brain, that recovering our economy, creating jobs and rebuilding our country's infastructure are more important, at this particular time, than an ill advised austerity program.
The Republican Cartel is dead wrong in their pursuit of reducing the National Debt, they created, immediately, at the expense of 98% of our population.
Our first PRIORITY MUST BE recovering our economy and creating employment, economic opportunity for ALL of our citizens!
The Republicans CAN NOT STAND that a very popular black President rescued our country from their, the Republican, ECONOMIC COLLAPSE of the United States and the world. The Republicans, in their sick minds, are trying every devious plot they can muster, to negate any economic recovery. The Republican Cartel is a CANCEROUS TUMOR that is attempting to kill our ECONOMIC RECOVERY!
Read what Germany is doing. Austerity does work. It pushes people to be business owners and job creators instead of the govt. providing meaningless jobs.
Anyone with a brain? I guess that leaves you out. After reading what you had to say, I can tell you have proabably gone bankrupt several times in your lifetime of fiscal irresponsibility.
Ignoring massive debt is something only tiny-brain libs can do without a care in the world. They don't care about government printing more and more currency that undermines everyones purchasing power. Hell no, they don't understand that. They have no idea what inflation does to people on fixed incomes and the poor. Hell no, why do they care...they get food stamps and "free" phones. They have no understanding of why the FED can't raise interest rates and why that punishes those who save and rewards those who blow their money. They don't understand how low interest rates cause people who traditionally rely on interest income to put capital in more risky investments just to survive. We always hear the dumb ass libs scream their mantra "infrastructure" when they talk about "investing" in the country's future. They don't have a clue what happens to all the tax money...gas taxes, road use taxes, toll fees, sales taxes, municipal improvement taxes, etc., etc., etc. that are supposed to be used for their precious "infrastructure" or the 780 billion dollars that big ears Obama was supposed to funnel into those "shovel ready" jobs that didn't exist. Nope, libs are just too damn stupid to understand how debt will mean the end of this country as we know it. But, hey, they get "free" phones and "free' healthcare so what the hell? Until nobody will accept the dollar as payment anymore, then whatcha gonna do, libs?
Dear Concernedusa, guess you haven't figured in the cost of re-capturing the ILLEGALS who just got turned loose?
Sorry, Obama will hire more Border Police to help capture these crooks, thieves, drug cartel members and murders. These are "KEY READY JOBS" right??
By the way, do these illegals pay taxes, are they authorized to use Obamacare?? One last question. What does a card card company do when the holder/user not longer pays for the items/services charged on it???
Republicans, the party of traitors.
Actually, Kevin, Germany is spending mad money to keep the European Union countries like Greece from going under. Germany didn't have the problems of everyone else. If you want to know about austerity, look at the countries that are actually going throught it and it's sc@@wing them. Maybe you want to be like Greece, but I don't.
No, Lance, Democrats aren't ignoring the debt- you have it completely backwards. The Democrat-controlled senate passed a budget with spending cuts, but balanced those cuts with increases in revenue. Every serious economist, and the majority of americans, view this balance as absolutely necessary. It is the Republican Party that is refusing to take serious action against our debt, as they will protect their rich patrons at all costs.
I see the clown circus has packed up,,nice to see a lot,of losers spewingmhotmair,with nothing of substance
The republicans are hoarding their money for a slow recovery...so they can win in 2014
pssst. don't tell them it didn't work in 2012.
democrats are going to create jobs by taxing more. Wow what a thought! 100% enough? we should be loaded with jobs. I mean, after all people work for the state and not themselves. The affordable care act will help this creation; a 5k subsidy by the feds on 20% of the population and if you don't pay the irs gets you! Its a tax you know. To boot, we just let all the fence jumpers get free health care in the E/R ---- that will even creat more jobs. Just think of all that government which can be created if we turn america into one giant cesspool of laws. This will help us even more. Enterprise; forget that - lets just all work for the government - we don't need private business.
With Democrats focusing on job plus the Republican Jobs, Jobs Jobs agenda since 2010 what could POSSIBLY go wrong?
the house is hoarding the wealth.thats it
Hey,
Republicons lost,,enough said,drop dead.
For us smart people,we have moved forward.
You smart Dem o rats have moved forward alright! From the unearned income room to the charge the high priced room to someone who works for everything they get and steal from those who do. By the way, who is going to fill out your 62 page questionaire for obtaining Obamacare next January?? AND DON'T FORGET TO LOOK AT YOUR TAX REFUND AND FIND THE GOVERNMENT TOOK THE COST OF YOUR OBAMA OUT OF THAT REFUND!!!!
It's funny- all of you TeaPartyers crying about President Obama being a socialist while the stock market is trading at record levels, government employment shrinking, unemployment dropping (it is now well below the mess he inherited), auto sales booming and the housing market back on track after getting rid of much of the rubble created by Republicans. And you still can't understand why America is tuning you out? Wow. Just... wow.
I lived in a community then i moved..where a private water company came in a bought the water rights...our bills were 60 a month..then went to 200 a month...you tell me you want your water privatized...this is what you will get..the water company is called Aqua out of Pennsylvania..we live in Texas..its a wall street water company.
Yeah tea nuts this is what you want..ever drive on a low wage toll road..you even want our whole road system in private hands..yes wall street huh
I hate leaving the Ohio Turnpike (government operated) to get on the Indiana Tollroad (private). In Indiana the maintenance sucks, the automated toll machines don't work half of the time, and it's, per mile, about twice as expensive.
this is what the house is for no governmnet
I lived in a community then i moved..where a private water company came in a bought the water rights...our bills were 60 a month..then went to 200 a month...you tell me you want your water privatized...this is what you will get..the water company is called Aqua out of Pennsylvania..we live in Texas..its a wall street water company.
Yeah tea nuts this is what you want..ever drive on a low wage toll road..you even want our whole road system in private hands..yes wall street huh
No private company can buy water rights moron. They treat the water, they don't own it.
Yep, Rocko we're entitled to all the untreated water we can consume. ROFLMAO@U
PS. you can buy water rights.
Uh, yes, they can. Moron.
Liar!! Job creation is not #1 with the Dem o rats; ITS SPENDING AND SQUANDERING AND LYING!!!!!
Austin TX could not help us because it was in private hands now..yes the government could not even help us in Texas of the high water bills that were now privatized
I lived in a community then i moved..where a private water company came in a bought the water rights...our bills were 60 a month..then went to 200 a month...you tell me you want your water privatized...this is what you will get..the water company is called Aqua out of Pennsylvania..we live in Texas..its a wall street water company.
Yeah tea nuts this is what you want..ever drive on a low wage toll road..you even want our whole road system in private hands..yes wall street huh
Yeah.....and Boner got his cuts.....sequester.
Now get over yourselves and get off your azz and stop whining about 'leadership' and f*cking DO something orange man!
What a joke. Holden is one of the most plastic empty headed Dems there is. Well in fact they are all like that. Lower taxes, that will get you jobs. Pretty damn simple.
Rock I just love economic illiterates who spout off about lower taxes creating jobs. I have and MBA, have owned my own business and am currently a manager at a Fortune 25 company.....reducing taxes has never created jobs and never will. The idea that cutting taxes creates jobs or that raising taxes kills job creation is almost as ludicrous as the notion that Republicans are fiscally responsible.
It's amazing... TeaPartyers think, or try to convince us that, a company won't increase production to meet demand and increase it's profit because of the tax rate. Demand creates jobs, taxes have no bearing.
I believe it was the White House and President Obama wanted the sequestration as a way to force some agreement and when 6 republicans and 6 democrats could not find compromise then we got sequestration and please don't just lay the blame at the feet of republicans as my senior senator at the time John Kerry was appointed by the democrats and he was not going to do any compromising on cuts he just wanted more tax revenues as he just loves other people to pay their fair share but one of the richest Senator in at the time was mooring his 7 million dollar yacht in Rhode Island so he wouldn't have to pay excise tax on it to Massachusetts so it must be great to live in a glass house on a one way street. Pours him another glass of the Kool Aid
Don't know where you live Goodtimesbadtimes, but here in the blue state of Hawaii, our Democrats continue to raise fees and taxes on businesses knowing full well the average citizen does not think if affects him. The reality is all of those fees and taxes are just passed on to the general public by these businesses. I own and operate a union general contracting company specialising in commercial construction and those added fees and taxes have stymied those that would invest in private construction projects. Obama and the Dems kept us busy for a couple of years by spending more government and borrowed money to create government projects. Now they are forced to cut back on their spending and many construction firms are wondering how they're going to survive. Perfect example of how successful cutting taxes has created jobs here are the tax credits (a.k.a. tax cuts) homeowners and businesses get when installing photovoltaic systems for their homes. The solar industry has skyrocketed under that policy here in Hawaii, creating new businesses and thousands of new jobs. The movie industry is goaded into filming here in Hawaii because of the tax credits our state offers, creating hundreds of jobs. My company along with our employees have worked on many elderly and low income state housing complexes that were bought by private investors specifically to take advantage of the tax credits the state offered over the last 15-years. Your MBA is as good as the teachers you had. Perhaps you should get out of that Fortune 500 office of yours and go see how the real world works?
DionysusOmega - Yeah.....and Boner got his cuts.....sequester.
If Speaker Boehner and the House Republicans wanted sequestration, then why did they pass a budget that would have prevented sequestration from happening? If Senate Democrats did not want sequestration, then why have they failed to bring the budget to the floor for debate and a vote? Sequestration occurred because the Senate , which is controlled by Democrats, have block a budget that would have prevented sequestration. Place the blame where it belongs.