In just 10 years based on an unemployment rate this country has never seen.
Based on repealing Obamacare but keeping the $700 billion in Medicare reductions he ran against and keeping all the Obamacare related taxes.
Math is hard

A ten-year budget proposal is ridiculous. It has to be predicated on the notion that nothing changes, every one of us will fall into line, and do exactly what he proposes.....for the next ten year. It challenges the limits of stupid.

The assumptions of the budget are absurd. It is no more a plausible document than the 13-page budget Boehner produced a couple years back.....Remember? The one that had no figures whatsoever. You don't hand documents like this to the President and say, OK, the ball's in your court. Ryan is irrelevant. His budget is worthless. Republicans are out of their minds if they think this is going to fly.

Humanity is a funny thing. Even as long as I have lived in the world, I am still continually amazed by the stupidity of even the smartest people. And of their callous and ruthless arrogance.

Ryan and his like continue to lump those who are lazy and irresponsible with the ever growing number of those who are hard-working and responsible, but who can't find a job. Our economy has been leaking jobs to overseas markets for some time and the recession really accelerated that trend. How such seemingly smart people can simply not grasp that reality is beyond me.

See what I mean! Maybe KCBones after you have spent your career working 60 hour work weeks with an MBA, but then lose your job to some guy in India you have to train over the phone, you will also understand the reality...the jobs lost overseas are not coming back anytime soon. There are reportedly about 4 million job openings and over 12 million people currently looking for work (which does not include those who have given up). Get your head out of the sand.

KC,

So you find it reasonable to set revenues based on an unemployment levels for 2014 and beyond that our country hasn’t seen in over 230 years. I am an optimists but I also understand probabilities. When the greatest economists predict our unemployment will still be above 5% by the end of 2015 that puts “fantasy” as the headline for Ryan’s budget.

Whatever it takes to make the numbers work for his objectives ... Math is hard !!

I have an austerity budget that Ryan should love: I'd really like to start a movement to eliminate all salaries & benefits for locally elected officials (many of these are part-time positions -- if that). And, on the national level, I'd like to see salaries become a much smaller stipend -- get rid of the notion of salary and benefits (not to mention pensions) for elected officials.

We should encourage those who we vote in to act like the private citizens they were before they were elected, and encourage them to return to private citizenry after they serve their term. Elected office should not be thought of as a "career track," but rather as service. And please don't cry to me that people can't hold office unless they're paid a salary! People work and serve on school boards and PTA boards and serve as volunteers in a myriad of ways, and they don't collect money for that service.

Oh Ryan... you are betting that ObamaCare will be 'gone' as part of your balanced budget. Hmmm... 33 failed attempts by the republicans.. good luck on that one. Why don't you show us a republican solution for health care? oh wait, my bad, the republican solution is "NO SOLUTION"

This 'budget' looks more and more like 'failed republican NON SENSE economics' then a budget for America. Amazing, that I'm still seeing Ryan referring to SS as an entitlement, even though he used his daddies to pay for college. Hmmm...

Repeal of Obamacare is a non starter. Including that provision in the budget makes me label this under the "theatrics" category. The previous 33 attempts should tell the story on this.

I'd like to see a realistic budget submitted that accounts for our current laws.

Next time, why not just remove other expenses we have agreed to as the law of the land. Perhaps the next budget he submits could be missing another service that is the law of the land, like social security or congressional pay?

KC, I am not going to quarrel with your statement that people should work for their handouts. But I would challange you to go around to various parts of the country, the south particularly, where there is simply no work to be found.

Balanced Budget over 10 years is a joke.

Anything over 10 years (where it's especially backloaded) will never happen...because most of these politicians will be long gone from office and new crisis will emerge.

It has to happen within 5 years max..otherwise it's just a pipedream (and this is for both Repubs and Dems).

KC,

Work requirements are still in place … they were never
reduced/eliminated as Romney would have you believe.

“Math is hard” is sarcasm

Ryan plan seeks balanced budget within a decade
Uh, no, it doesn't.

David Walker

A ten-year budget proposal is ridiculous. It has to be predicated on the notion that nothing changes, every one of us will fall into line, and do exactly what he proposes.....for the next ten year. It challenges the limits of stupid.

So when Obama makes a speech telling everyone how his plan works for 10 years and how it will effect the economy... such as when he was stumping for Obamacare... you find the same to be true? You mean as how it challenges the limits of stupid?

Let's see, in the 112th congress the right wing tried 32 times to repeal Obama Care, and they failed then. So, do they want to try 32 more failures in the 113th congress?

The republican-tea bagger have proven to the Nation that they could be replaced by 4th graders who would a better job, and they would work cheaper.

A simple look at the plan shows tax cuts for the rich and austerity for the masses. Same'o Same'o from Paul the puppet and his band of stinky socks.

The budget from a man without a conscience. The Anti-Robin Hood. Give to the rich and take from everyone else. 1.7% GDP growth over 10 years is stagnation. Trickle down is a myth and 30 years of statistics prove it.

Ryan puts far right wing ideology ahead of American national interests.

The new Republican budgit can be summed up in 4 simple words. Screw The Little Guy.

Doesn't Ryan remember, that's why he lost.

SOS: different day! No new ideas; just the same crap they spewed before the election.

Eliminate Obama care before it's even been implemented; cut back Medicare and Medicaid, destroy Social Security any way you can, allow defense spending to continue unchecked and never in a million years, close the tax loopholes for the wealthy and corporations, (who are people) and this fool thinks people would want him in the White House.

UM yeah--keep dreaming Paulie. Your good at that!

Why, why, why isn't anyone looking at the Congressional Progressive Caucus' budget proposal?

It is a well thought out and reasonably fair budget that actually does what we want a budget to do -- reasonable economies in the best interest of the American people. It is also called the People's Budget.

I guess I can answer my own question. It increases revenue from the corporations and the 1%. But that is what 70% of us think is the best way to go...

http://grijalva.house.gov/uploads/The%20CPC%20FY2012%20Budget.pdf

Of course, if some of the Republicans get their way we'll be involved in another war (Iran most likely) and how do you cover that in a budget like lyin Ryan is proposing. He's a dreamer, that's for sure.

I only scanned parts of the actual report, and will read more later when I have more time, but what I saw is extremely scary and truly the pathway to poverty for most. It sounds like he now is aiming to only repeal parts of the ACA including plans to cut funding for assistance with the health insurance exchanges and to end the expansion of Medicare totally, but would leave the mandate in place. In doing so, he would be forcing many older people who would have very high premiums due to their age and health conditions to spend more than half or nearly all of their paychecks on health insurance as it would be the law. This is not only the pathway to utter poverty but horrible oppression.

Regarding Medicare, Of course, no surprise there. Ryan still wants to privatize Medicare, which would be an utter failure. Private insurance does not want to take on the HUGE liability of all the age-related diseases and conditions of seniors and will price them out of the market again, even with the increased but still inadequate vouchers. After all, this was the reason Medicare was started in the first place, because private insurance did not want to pay the huge costs of all the age-related diseases and conditions of seniors and had priced most seniors out of the market to avoid doing so.

Hmm... I think something's going on... "Ryan: Elections have consequences" - yes, and you lost because the American people didn't agree with your budget proposals... so your theory is...

Wait.

Wait, I got it.

Wow - Ryan must be sleepwalking and talking! He's still dreaming that he won the election!

Regarding Medicare, Of course, no surprise there. Ryan still wants to privatize Medicare, which would be an utter failure. Private insurance does not want to take on the HUGE liability of all the age-related diseases and conditions of seniors and will price them out of the market again, even with the increased but still inadequate vouchers. After all, this was the reason Medicare was started in the first place, because private insurance did not want to pay the huge costs of all the age-related diseases and conditions of seniors and had priced most seniors out of the market to avoid doing so.

But it would also solve the Social Security problem. That's why he likes it.

KevinT,

Sounds like you've got a bad case of Foxitis, see your doctor immediately.

@KevinT - I dunno if you noticed lately, but Kim Jong Un broke the Korean Armistice just a bit ago. Sounds like he's prepped to drag Obama into this, whether we like it or not.

If Lil' Jong decides he wants to attack us first, it's justified if Obama blows him out of the water. But the GOP will make it look as if he wanted more territory for Imperial Colonization - oh no wait, that's what Lyin' Ryan the Imperator's Redcoat wants.

Screw everyone else; he's God, bitch.

It's time for corporations to pay up. As these companies sit on billions of dollars in profits and receive tax breaks from every bought politician, the people in this country suffer. The job creators aren't creating squat...they are hoarding money.

Why are we giving tax breaks to companies that move their operations overseas? Why are we subsidizing Big Oil?

What's the chance that

Obama's yearly budget proposal will again get ZERO yes votes in Congress (as has happened the past 2 years)

AND

That Harry Reid and his D-Bag Senate brethren will let a 4th year go by without passing a budget?

Ryan takes yet another huge dump at the Democrats doorstep, insists that the Dems wade through it and the Republicans call him genius. We've seen middle-school gangs of mischievous misfits with better plans to rile the adults.

Go away little boy, your constant silliness bother me.

Awww what's the matter boo-boo guinius, you get your little feathers all ruffled? LMAO

Bill, blah blah blah blah blah. That's how your post reads. MANY OF US KNOW what the deal is. I suggest you get a clue as well as your parroting BS is old and worn out.

Guinius:

RE: your post #1.45

Who are you to tell anyone to STFU? It sounds like your little more than overly emotional. No FACTS, NO reasoned input! Just a 'kid's' rant? I certainly can tell your not an intelllectual giant, right? Actually you sound like you MAY need some Prozac, Paxil, Zoloft, or perhaps your personal doctor knows of some better medication to help you to control your emotions. I am only a layman, but it seems to me you need HELP!

Bill,

[passed a budget a year ago and appropriations for Fiscal Year 13 nine months ago]

And the Senate also passed the appropriations (spending bills) as part of the Continuing Resolution as demanded by law as spelled out in The Budget Control Act of 2011.

Maybe if people actually had to work for their hand outs, unemployment would hit numbers that we've never seen.

That's funny!

Do you remember what caused the high unemployment we see now? It certainly wasn't any change in unemployment compensation that caused 7 million people to quit their jobs and run to the unemployment office during 12 months from Sept, 2008 to Sept, 2009.

And you can cut unemployment compensation to zero if you want - if there are no jobs people will still be unemployed.

Re: Feisty Redhead Roselle, IL

post #1.7

Your right that it will never see the President's desk. Over the last few years the Democratic held Senate hasn't allowed a budget to get that far.

Will someone please tell me why Congressman Paul Ryan continues to try and ride a "DEAD HORSE"? Doesn't he realize, by now, that his "budget horse" died in the November, 2012 election? On the other hand, maybe he thinks that "dead Horse" is a raging bull, if so, stand back and watch his bull try to fly. I personally believe that the only thing his bull will do is to produce a lot of that material which comes out of the backside of the bull!

Lyin Ryan you lost, neither you nor Mittens were, or ever will be RELEVANT ! Get over it.

@ Guinius

What is a "Guinius" ? and what is "devision" ?

Did anyone notice Ryans idea for tax reform ? Just who benefits most from the tax brackets he proposes ? A tax of 10% on all but the wealthy would be a big increase for all of them while the wealthy...which Ryans friends are a huge part of..will benefit greatly from a tax of 25%..and want to bet that they will have loopholes in there for them only. Every cut he proposes hits two groups..the middle class and the poor and of course those on social security at the same time his tax ideas raise taxes on those same groups wqhile cuttinf taxes on the wealthy. The republicans did not win the presidency with their ideas yet still push them..guess they learned little from the beating they got and are looking for another one down the road.

Everyone knew as soon as Ryan submitted his Budget Resolution the left would be all over it with their snarly remarks and bashing even though they haven't read any part of the Budget. Let's wait and see what the Democratic controlled Senate comes up with. Remember when both houses of Congress has submitted and approved their respective budgets it then goes to a joint budget committee to work out the differences. Negotiations between the Senate and House is how a budget is supposed to be arrived at. Ryan and the Republicans know there will be changes made and repeal of ACA will not happen in this Budget, IMO it was put in for negotiation purposes only.

BTW, where is the President's Budget Request. You know the one that is put together by OMB which details the President's spending and revenue plan. Which by the way is supposed to be used by the Congress in helping with their Budget.

I am betting we will not see a FY 2014 Budget and will again operate the government with a "continuing resolution."

Ryan made a Freudian slip. "Whether the American people intended it or not, we have divided government."

That's right, Mr. Ryan. You only have any input on this process because your party abused the system to disenfranchise voters and protect your caucus's majority by overriding the collective will of the voters. You were able to rig the system in your favor, and now you think that gives you license to continue to ignore the best interests and the desires of the American people in pursuit of policies that only benefit the narrow, wealthy interests backing you.

There are a few things everybody needs and should be entitled to in this, the 21st Century.

1. Food

2. Shelter

3. Clothing

4. Access to Medical Care

5. Access to Education

6. Meaningful employment

7. Equality under the law

8. Protection from harm

9. Freedom to practice their religious beliefs without discrimination.

In other words, barring criminal conviction, the right to Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness.

In my opinion, it is our government's duty to insure that ALL AMERICANS have reasonable access to those 9 things. When those things are accessible to ALL the people in this country, then we can look at and prioritize the other things we might want or need.

But as long as one child goes to bed hungry. As long as one senior citizen has to make a choice between their medications and eating. As long as there is one person sleeping under a bridge. NO ONE, not one single person, should be making millions of dollars each year. No one should live in a home the size of a hotel. No one needs to ride around in a cadillac or a porshe. Those luxuries should be available only AFTER every child is fed, our elderly are properly cared for and everyone has a roof over their heads.

Communisim? Socialism? Liberal? Progressive? No, we used to call it Christianity. It's what the Rabbi from Nazareth preached 2,000 years ago and a great many of you claim to follow.

Ryan's budget doesn't provide for ANY of these things. It has no humanity, no charity, only rhetoric, only political posturing.

If there is a Heaven then there surely is a Hell and I'll know where look for Mr. Ryan and his kind.

We sent you a clear message last November Mr. Ryan, weren't you paying attention? Or don't you care what WE THE PEOPLE..want.

Paul Ryan is the most confusing person I've ever seen.. I'm pretty sure he's gay, but that's just the look he portrays without knowing it himself.

Ryan is a question mark in LIFE. He doesn't know himself, the people around him or who his true self is.

Paul Ryan is a fruitcake without any persona except confusion..

NO wonder he's a republican... He wants to change himself from what we all see. Weirdness, conservatism, and lies!

Ryan is the biggest idiot in republican politics since McCarthy!

Paul Ryan is a just another lying Republican politician. The thing that disturbs me is how the media reports every word that comes out of his lying mouth as if it were the truth.

Maybe this country will get lucky and reporters will start calling a fraud a fraud which is exactly what Ryan is........ Since most major media outlets are controlled by Republicans these days I won't be holding my breath waiting for that to happen...

So who's surprised?

The GOP publishes the most "right" budget possible just before the Dems issue theirs and as an invitation to negotiate. So what else is new? They've been doing this for 5 years now... making "center" look "left"!

In their minds, they just front-end loaded a "put and take" process that allows them to claim Obamacare as a give... okay, okay, I won't kill your first born, will you give up on new taxes? LOL

It's a joke. It's a purposeful extreme. It's a fools folly. It's vintage Ryan and he'll stand up a lie his ass of and say it works and that it's real.

Anyone supporting this as a first step isn't supporting a real solution for America, their playing a lame game of politics.

The only things holding back business are the fear of this kind of game-playing and the fear of another House induced meltdown... get Washington working and we'll be on our way.

A reasonable tax level, modest and fair cuts at defense and discretionary spending, minor future adjustments to Social Security and Medicare, and a stable Washington DC and we can forget it and move on.

Ryan said: "Elections do have consequences ... This is our offer, this is our vision."

Uhh . . . Mr. Ryan? Hel-lo? Is anyone home . . . ?

I would like to know how many people posting here actually read his proposed budget??? It's there in the article - click on it, print it, and read it.

Almost the same as his last ones and what he and Romney ran on. This is a travesty against most Americans - and totally impossible to see the savings supposedly enacted in 10 years. Who are we kidding.

Read page 47 - going to crack you up!!!!!!!!!!!!

Vouchers, for healthcare, .... AGAIN? Drop it Ryan.

Paul Ryan never legislated any Balanced budget from after FY 2000; we had a Federal Deficit surplus of + $ 175 billion. All Budget proposals or bills he participated in or legislated between 2001 until now preside over a Federal deficit that went from the surplus to a deficit of - $ 1.4 trillion by FY 2009.

And, now, we're supposed to believe he can be the author of a balanced budget proposal ????

Is this a joke or something ????? WTF??!! He couldn't even balance the books for the Catholic church.............as a practicing Catholic.

The thing about balancing the budget on the backs of medicare recipients confuses me. Are those under 54 supposed to pay for those over 54, from now to their deaths, and get nothing in return? And then, years from now, when those people are retired without medical coverage, the next generation of young people is going to be paying payroll taxes just to help balance the budget?

When right now, medicare payroll taxes just meets medicare expenses, I don't see how that is a gold mine for Ryan to balance the budget, unless he wants to redirect that money and deprive us of services. It's like a business saying we'll improve profits by continuing to take in the same revenue, but not providing any service to our customers.

People don't even know what it says in the Ryan budget proposal and already there is the endless tax breaks for the rich mantra being spewed by liberals. If Democrats didn't have that line, nothing would be working for them. The misinformation is already flying out of the Obama administration as well. But the Ryan plan will pass the House, and then we can wait for the Democrats in the Senate to offer up their increased tax and spending alternative. Four years late I might add. Ryan is pushing for a balanced budget in 10 years, and we will see if the words balanced budget are in the Democrat plan or less then 25 years out.

LOL

At least SOMEONE has a plan! What plan has the dems had so far? Well, they are the ones running the show 'round here nowadays eh?

But of course ANY plan the repubs come up with won't be good enough and be obstructed. Meanwhile, the party of spending and entitlements will continue its own fantasy island approach to a balanced budget by spending even more! Duh huh huh uh!!

National debt today: $16.686 trillion and growing

djo: don't be bashing liberals for the national debt. Liberals did not create the national debt problem. That was 100% the job of Reagan and the two Bushes. If you want to see some truth for a change (instead of the false propaganda that you no doubt devour continuously) google a chart of national debt as %GDP and you'll note three extreme events causing debt: WW2, the election of Ropnald Reagan, and the Election of George Bush.

You will also note that for both Clinton and Obama, their admins consist of the national debt leveling out and then declining (Obama's is only leveled out; it will start to decline in 2014).

Please - conservatives - you are remarkably misinformed on matters of the debt. Please do the research I recommend. Or cut and paste this link ygraph.com/chart/1347 or 4.bp.blogspot.com/-Rk-7HlZN6CI/T7SWiEdBnWI/AAAAAAAAAXM/Lv5DUHWT4nA/s1600/federal-debt-to-gdp-politics-update.gif

There are few things that conservatives are more misinformed or mislead upon than the national debt. The national debt problem is 100% caused by conservative policies. Clinton tamed it (and had Gore become president, he would have solved it forever) and Obama has now tamed it.

Ryan's plan, if inacted, would have the same consequence as Reagan or Bush. Conservatives do not understand economics or mathematics.

noncoms, Clinton added 1.1T to the debt. And he had a Republican congress to balance his budgets and a tech bubble to drive his economy.

If Clinton was in office now... you would see 5T in new debt over 4 years instead of 6T. There would be almost no difference.

The debt skyrocketed in 2007 when Bush got a Democratic congress. He had 3T in debt over 6 years. Then 2T in 2 years with a Democratic congress.

The same Democratic congress and Obama led to 3.3T in new debt in just Obama's first 2 years.

I'll give you an example of conservative mathematics. If you spend LESS than you make, you have a surplus. If you have a surplus, you can pay down the debt.

Your concept of math is... spend spend spend... same crappy economy... more debt... tax more... the debt will magically take care of itself... or we pawn it off on the Republicans.

KCBones

Dennis,

I know buckeyes are nuts, but what I'm saying is unemployment at least figuratively could drop to reasonable levels if people actually worked for their hand outs (ie: work requirement for welfare). Math isn't that hard, I've always been very good at it.

A greater share of them already are...per the BLS, 6 in 10 recipients of welfare have jobs.

Ryan just seems to have a perpetual case of CRANIAL-ANAL ORIFICE INSERTION (but considering he's a RETHUG playmaster, what ELSE is new?)

djo get your head out of your OWN anal orifice - the DEBT increased BECAUSE of funding the MILITARY ACTIVITIES that were started by Da SHRUB AND NOT FUNDED. but you idiotic teabaggers/ rethugs just don't want to HEAR THAT, EH?

djo: The only way to measure national debt that makes sense is by %GDP. The national debt rose (in terms of dollars) continuously from 1945 to 1980. Yet it fell from 117% of GDP to 34% of GDP and was no big deal before Reagan came along.

Right now, 2013, the debt as %GDP is close to flat. That is a sustainable state. And it is tremendously different than 4 years ago (when debt was growing at 14% of GDP). To lower the deficit, as Obama has done, from a debt growth of 14% of GDP to near 0% GDP is astonishing, in fact, it is better than any other president ever in terms of absolute magnitude of swing.

You conservatives are just plain misled and misinformed. Please see a graph of what is going on at 4.bp.blogspot.com/-Rk-7HlZN6CI/T7SWiEdBnWI/AAAAAAAAAXM/Lv5DUHWT4nA/s1600/federal-debt-to-gdp-politics-update.gif or any other source you want to google and find.

Educate yourself, and understand this. Republicans and conservatives caused the debt problem, Obama has gotten it under control, Ryan proposes blowing it just like he and his fellow Republicans did in 2001.

Vermont Girl-3513091

KCBones

Dennis,

I know buckeyes are nuts, but what I'm saying is unemployment at least figuratively could drop to reasonable levels if people actually worked for their hand outs (ie: work requirement for welfare). Math isn't that hard, I've always been very good at it.

A greater share of them already are...per the BLS, 6 in 10 recipients of welfare have jobs.

The largest single group of welfare recipients are children. They will get a job and work as soon as we repeal child labor laws and laws making school mandatory.

The liberals can bitch all they want about Ryan's plan. At least over the last 3 years, he's produced one.

Still waiting on the Democrats.

Well? What's wrong? Balance and Budget not in your vocabulary?

Funny how Ryan keeps offering up the same unworkable, run-of-the-mill Republican BS, and then each and every time says "We've done our part, now it's up to the President and the Democrats". And he keeps getting his hat handed to him. I guess he will just never get it.

It's funny. He actually said the words "Elections have consequences", as if the LAST elections did anything but slap him hard upside the head. Like I said, he will just never get it. He doesn't like the truth, so like all good conservatives...he just ignores it and keeps plugging anyway. Pretty odd strategy. Isn't working.

Paul Ryan is a fricken blockhead.

Brian - given that the only balanced budget came from the liberal Clinton, and that was destroyed by the all-GOP government before the ink had a chance to dry, your comment is as lacking in logic as the Ryan proposal.

Conservatives and the Republican party are the ones who created our debt monster. Ryan proposes doing more of the same, just as Obama has successfully achieved a flattening of the national debt as %GDP.

See post 201. See the graph I link to above. Conservatives are totally misinformed about the national debt.

djo_34

noncoms, Clinton added 1.1T to the debt. And he had a Republican congress to balance his budgets and a tech bubble to drive his economy.

If Clinton was in office now... you would see 5T in new debt over 4 years instead of 6T. There would be almost no difference.

Let me get this straight, Clinton added 1.1 T to the debt in spite of the fact that the budget was balanced? You do know what "debt" means right? Either you are wracking up debt or your budget is balanced, you can't have it both ways. Yes, math is hard.

And people, no president spends anything without the approval of congress, so if a president is running up the debt he is doing so with the complicity of congress.

Paul Ryan's ten-year budget proposal to financially phase out our U.S. government.

Sounds exactly like some of the five-year and ten-year plans, and ideals, of what communist leaders proposed in the old Soviet Union.

Poor foolish running off at the mouth liberal progressives, of course the ryan plan will be dead in the water.

The difference now being that the senate will be submitting their first budget plan since 2009 which will also be dead in the water as written.

With plan A (house) and plan B (senate) being written we can at last have an attempt at reconciliation to present to the POTUS.

If obama is smart he will encourage reconciliation without threatening a veto before the bill crosses his desk. What he can do prior to this is to encourage each side to resolve differences.

Hey, Guinius #1.45 Comment collapsed by the community

@Fiesty RED HEAD

Do all of us a favor and STFU! Your nonsensical rambling is just that...and everytime there's an article with Boehner or Romney or Ryan involved your name is always at the head of the list...Ms. Pigotry usally right there with you...she must still be in the bed...

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How did you know? U R Guinius. I was with Kermit, he was a tiger...I mean...a pig last night. I couldn't get up in the morning. Blame viagra.

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But I am glad my fellow ribs (libs) have taken care of you already.

Thanks, my fellow libs, a great lib service.

Even Romney's effective tax rate in most years was only like 13%, max. Chances of some name-calling conservative loser on this site paying more than about $1.98 per year in income taxes is NIL. You probably pump gas for a living..."not that there's anything wrong with that".

Rick,

Here you go … Ryan's budget

http://budget.house.gov/uploadedfiles/fy14budget.pdf

http://money.cnn.com/2013/03/12/news/economy/paul-ryan-budget/index.html?iid=HP_LN&hpt=hp_bn3

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Poor foolish running off at the mouth liberal progressives, of course the ryan plan will be dead in the water.

The difference now being that the senate will be submitting their first budget plan since 2009 which will also be dead in the water as written.

With plan A (house) and plan B (senate) being written we can at last have an attempt at reconciliation to present to the POTUS.

If obama is smart he will encourage reconciliation without threatening a veto before the bill crosses his desk. What he can do prior to this is to encourage each side to resolve differences.

Well that is actually how it is supposed to work. One side makes a proposal and the other side makes a counter proposal then they negotiate and compromise to create a budget somewhere in the middle of the two. However since neither side seems able to compromise, we are unlikely going to be able to get any passable budget anytime soon.

Unfortunately the Republicans seem to hate Obama so much that his involvment in the process might be counter productive. But I could be wrong and sanity may prevail, but don't hold your breath.

Marie485962 # 1.11 & 1.12 Well said Marie! The only thing I would add is it is not just a Rep/Dem issue,it is a DC issue.

Ryan's 'plan' is a very bad one, and not worth considering, just like the last 2.

So right out of the chute Feisty begins the name calling and belittling of Congressman Ryan. Therefore, I have two questions for you: 1) Why are you such a nasty hateful person? and 2) What are your qualifications, that would give you any credence, to judge Mr. Ryan's budget plan.

Fiesty:

Lyin Ryan's Budget 3.0 on steroids will NEVER see the Presidents desk!

You can bet on it!

The democrat senate of NO will make sure it won't even see a vote, just like the jobs bills that the house has passed and Harry won't bring to the floor.

Feisty Redhead Roselle, IL@1.7: "...Lyin Ryan's Budget 3.0 on steroids will NEVER see the Presidents desk!

You can bet on it!"

Hmmm, I thought that the Republicans were the party of NO. I guess that makes the Democrats the party of HELL NO!

Ed,

As opposed to Obama's "plan"??

Bob, do you think offering seniors choices between a successful federally run program with a 3% cost of operations is going to be fairly competitive with private insurers with a 30% cost of operations?

Do you think seniors are going to accept these changes EASILY? It is hard enough to choose how you are going to be covered at 65.....imagine these decisions being made at 85!!!

Our federal budget is overly burdened by DEFENSE SPENDING, primarily, and our SS and Medicare needs tweaking of contribution rate ceilings in order to survive. Not much more. Why isn't this tried FIRST????

one thing that I have noticed is that whenever Democrats and Republicans lawmakers are going at it about a certain issue, it's always the Republicans who are playing dirty pool, because it always comes to light. I remember back in 2007 and all the talk about medicare. Well finally we know who wanted to banish it, and with lying Ryan's plan to voucherize it, we know now who was lying.

Americans First-3238795 - " Why do the republicans stand in the way of the will of the people and pretend what they are offering is freedom?"

Maybe the will of the people is not to have their government go bankrupt? That's why the people elected Republicans in the House? Many people seem to think a split government is one that works best - Forces negotiations between the two different views.

Republicans in the House certainly do depend on the stupidity of the teabaggers. "bill" actually tries to argue how hard the Republicans have worked to pass a budget - apparently not knowing that the budget has to pass the Senate as well as the House. Regardless of how much lipstick you smear on the pig of a Ryan budget, it will never pass the Senate. Republicans and their zombie fellowship are either too dumb to understand that if it didn't pass the first time, it will not pass any other times, or they are too lazy to do their jobs. It is their job to pass a budget that will pass the Senate...and this will require compromise.

Teabaggers have the new propaganda lie that the center and left are playing a "my way or the highway" game, the Republicans in the House keep sending the same, rejected crap to the Senate and, of course, it is once again rejected by the Senate. Who is playing the "my way or the highway" game? The sad fact is that it doesn't even phase "people" like "bill" and "bubba" that they have to become filthy liars to defend their party.

This budget is so obviously not serious. You don't begin with a non-starter (repeal Obamacare) and expect to be taken seriously. This is just a tactic that simple minds might think is a reasonable plan. But it is more likely that it is an intentional plan to come up with something that can't possibly work and then blame the democrats for it not working. A cynical ploy and beneath what congress should be doing. Irresponsibility.

Reasonable Approach,

The USA cannot go bankrupt – fact !!

Sovereign nations cannot go bankrupt

I am sure with Ryan being a republican his budget proposal had more extreme cuts than the budget Obama proposed................wait a minute, has Obama ever proposed a budget?

TOO FUNNY!

This is how NBC leads off a story when the Dems oppose a GOP proposal: "Republicans on Tuesday debuted their full 2014 budget, an ambitious proposal that would seek to balance the budget within a decade, but which is also almost certain to never become law."

This is how NBC leads a storry off when the GOP opposes a DEM proposal: "The Republicans lost the struggle over the Dodd-Frank law to impose new rules on the financial sector." (anybody with a mind of their own knows that Dodd-Frank was not opposed because of an ideology against rules on the financial sector)

Just more evidence of NBC's liberal bias. NBC is no longer a news organization, but rather a gathering place for the liberal sheep of America who stopped thinking for themselves many years ago... who instead are in the tank for the democratic leader du jur.

Then again, I suppose that explains why NBC came in last during February Sweeps. And why NBC came in last when people were polled to name the most trusted news source in America. Oops - tied for last - with THE COMEDY CHANNEL!!!

To All Liberals, At least hes putting a plan on the table, your liberal idiot loving socialist cant even add a budget up. Entitlements are not Welfare. I think everyone that is recieving foodstamps and welfare need to be cut off, its time they actually try and go find a job and improve instead of being a leach to us that work and provide. Im tired of seeing these Link card idiots with better cloths and cars buying all kinds of Junk while i have to scrape by with the money i actually make by doing actuall hard work, and FEISTY your an IDIOT plain and simple, Stop kissing Obama's @$$. Stop being ROBOTS, Thnik for yourself, Liberal only think with emotions they dont have brains, Case in point, When Clinton was president GOP controlled the house and senate and we had surplus money, so who got the credit, Clinton, when bush was president Dems controlled the Senate and House and Who recieved the blame, Bush, Stop with the BS Blame Game, the senate wont do there job and if you dont like Ryans PLan to Balance the budget then Come up with one then, Run for Office but im sure that most you liberals cant count past 20

Amen Robert. The typical liberal philosphy is that if the facts support a conclusion you don't like, then change the conclusion and let the facts be damned.

I blame much of this, however, on the liberal media. All it does is spout off liberal talking points, gives Obama a free pass on basically everything... things that they would have gone nuts on Bush for doing. And so the liberal sheep listen to this nonsense and start to believe it. And NBC is the worst culprit - they actually DOCTOR video clips to make a point based on facts that don't actually exist.

If our news organizations decided to start acting as responsible journalists, for a change, our country would be much less divided (in spite of Obama) and could get some real work done.

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Just once I like to see someone from the left not go out of they're way to throw insults at an opposing view

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A very fair and reasonable request, I agree Eric, but where are you when all too often in these threads it would be quite fair and reasonable to say:

Just once I like to see someone from the right not go out of their (not they're) way to throw insults at an opposing view

Get the point?

Realist17.............NBC wants us to be like Britain so bad that they believe they are a tabloid.

Case in point, When Clinton was president GOP controlled the house and senate and we had surplus money, so who got the credit, Clinton, when bush was president Dems controlled the Senate and House and Who recieved the blame, Bush,

This would be a wonderful story except it is wrong. If by "control" you mean have a majority then no the Dems did not control congress during the Bush years, except after the 2006 midterms. The Republicans held a majority in both the house and the senate for the previous decade.

Isn't lyin ryan the one in the same that voted for every single bloated budget busting bill under gw that left us 10.5 trillion in debt and a depression???? WTF. And gw and ryan bailed out their wallstreet banker corporate buddies who ransacked the American middle class to the tune of 1 trillion in taxpayer money? Did any of you crazy right wingers even read this budget????? And this ryan idiot has the balls to call himself a freakin' budget hawk?????? His budget is the biggest piece of wealthy/corporate welfare that has seen the light of day and it is all paid for by raping hard working middle class Americans. Hey loser ryan you dipsh!t, you lost the election so quit playing your juvenile clown games and start supporting the middle class instead of the norquists, kochs, roves and limpballs. The majority of America is on to you so quit playing around and let's start helping the middle class for once.

The debt skyrocketed in 2007 when Bush got a Democratic congress. He had 3T in debt over 6 years. Then 2T in 2 years with a Democratic congress.

DJO34: You are simply a fool. According to the CBO most of the debt accumulated under Bush was from unfunded war spending, his tax cuts and his drug plan. Every factor that drove our debt up was initiated by Bush. Getting Congress to fund or accept a Republican presidents programs doesn't make them Democratic programs. Link one major expenditure initiated by Democrats in Congress during Bush's 2 terms that massively increased our debt. I gave you 4 from Bush.

Just FYI: The 2009 fiscal budget was passed in 2008 with a 1.2 trillion deficit before Obama was even elected.

Wouldn't it be funny if the politicians pulled a quick one on us. Where the Democrats wrote a budget and then the Republicans got to present it as theirs. Or vice verse. And then sit back for awhile and let one side rip the other apart before they told the truth.

Fact is, if Obama had presented this identical budget, it would get mountains of praise from those currently trying to tear it down.

Ryan's budget again seeks changes to Medicare, namely by establishing an exchange of private plans (including traditional Medicare) from which seniors could choose, with the assistance of a premium support voucher.

and yet, the entire reason Medicare was developed during the Johnson administration was because those very same private insurance companies would not cover seniors with anything resembling an affordable plan. that pretty much renders Ryan's vouchers worthless

Ryan's budget is based solely on the increased revenues in the last agreements that he so vehemently opposed.

"yes - I oppose these tax increases, but yes - I will use them to balance my budget?????"

Logic clearly was not a highly attended course where Ryan went to school...

The GOP is always making the same mistake - they assume that everyone has amnesia and is stupid. We remember what was said and done before. The President's budgets are on the website - and have been every year. The fact that the GOP is hoping none of us know that is proof positive that they are "living in the bubble". Right, Karl Rove?????

G-Man, correcto mundo, lyin ryan is Dat Man, but the mouth breathers don't care. .

Dennis -

Reasonable Approach,

The USA cannot go bankrupt – fact !!

Sovereign nations cannot go bankrupt

Are you kidding me? I think having our economy collapse on itself is actually worse than going bankrupt. Yes, we can keep printing money but the inflation is gonna be a bitch. Better go buy your wheelbarrow now for when you want to buy a loaf of bread.

"robert clarkson"....Submitting the same crap to the Senate that has been rejected over and over is the best plan you have? It sounds like a spoiled little girl throwing a hissy fit to me...but, judging from the rest of your post, a little girl having a hissy fit is the norm in your concepts of reality and behavior.

Bulldozer62

Ryan's budget again seeks changes to Medicare, namely by establishing an exchange of private plans (including traditional Medicare) from which seniors could choose, with the assistance of a premium support voucher.

and yet, the entire reason Medicare was developed during the Johnson administration was because those very same private insurance companies would not cover seniors with anything resembling an affordable plan. that pretty much renders Ryan's vouchers worthless

Less than useless actually. The only way you will get private companies to agree to cover the elderly and disabled (ie current medicare members) is if they are heavily subsidised. That is to say if the insurance companies make a profit and the US government pays the bills. Otherwise in order for private companies to cover these medicare people, they would have to price the premiums beyond the reach of most people.

Currently medicare and medicaid accounts for half of all medical spending in the US, but only covers about 30% of the population. There is no way the private sector is going to eat that cost, they will get out of the medical insurance business first.

Redhead Ranting,

Our [USA] net worth is over 77 Trillion Dollars … more than 4½ times our debt

That is like a person holding $200,000 in debt (House, Car, whatever) but their net worth is $900,000.

nocoms

The only way to measure national debt that makes sense is by %GDP.

NO! It allows politicians to weasel out of being responsible by saying their spending wasn't so bad.

Dennis, Columbus, Ohio

Redhead Ranting,

Our [USA] net worth is over 77 Trillion Dollars … more than 4½ times our debt

And the top 10% own 74.5% of that. It boggles the mind really.

DB,

Then what would use that negates the impact of inflation?

WHOOPSY!

Finally Ryan makes an honest statement;

For those who can't watch clips online, Ryan said, in reference to his plans for health care:

"This to us is something that we're not going to give up on, because we're not going to give up on destroying the health care system for the American people."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=LT3Px11xN-0

Dontcha hate it when the truth slips out..? lol

djo_34

All liberals can do is bash bash bash. Your only idea is TAX the rich, SPEND on nonsense.

Well, technically many liberals propose cutting spending AND taxing the rich. I propose taxing everyone and making some cuts, but then again I'm a socialist, not a liberal (and yes conservatives, there is a difference).

You can balance the budget tomorrow by cutting Medicare and Welfare. Done. But you will whine and cry about fair... as if you have any concept of the definition of the word. Fair doesn't mean things that BENEFIT you.

No you can't. Cutting Medicare and "welfare" won't balance the budget tomorrow; it will balance the budget in 20 years. However, balancing the budget isn't always the best thing to do. Medicare benefits don't need to be cut; the thing making them more expensive does. Quite simply, all we need to do is reduce healthcare costs in a more effective manner; Obamacare is a good start, but isn't enough. Quite simply, we need to end fee-for-service and (eventually) eliminate private insurance altogether. As for welfare, there aren't really any problems with it. It's only about 10% of the budget, and that's only if you include things like research and development and education grants. And as for the the definition of fair, it also doesn't mean that rich people should pay low taxes and get all the credit for creating economic growth when it's actually the bottom 85% who actually CONTRIBUTE to the economy in a meaningful way.

Only a liberal can get laid off from his job and think going on a spending spree is a good idea.

The government is not "laid off"; it's just governed by idiots who don't realize that you have to MAINTAIN government, not diminish it.

In the past 4 years, the unemployment RATE is the same. So people are becoming unemployed as fast as people are becoming employed. But 3.7 million people have left the job force. This is not progress. The economy, after trillions in stimulus, is SLOWING down to ZERO growth.

Actually, the unemployment rate is 1 basis point lower than it was 4 years ago. The reason why the economy is slowing is simple; the government isn't doing anything. Monetary stimulus doesn't work during a financial crisis when real interest rates (and thus inflation) is close to zero (a liquidity trap); that's why you need fiscal stimulus. We only had one stimulus package that actually did something for the economy, and unfortunately it was too small to deal with the crisis. We need a continuous stimulus, one that actually helps the economy via public works projects instead of wasting money on tax breaks that only go to wealthy speculators and wealth-destroyers. Growth is only slowing down because of the sequester, the very result of the Republican threat to America's credit rating.

All the spending... for nothing... just more debt. Deficits are still outrageous. Food stamp recipients are increasing. More people are unemployed. More people won't look for work because there is no incentive when Obama will pay them to sit around and watch Honey Boo Boo.

Really? The old welfare queen argument? Man that gets old fast, and chances are I'm younger than you. That argument was ridiculous when your god Ronald Reagan trumpeted it in California in the 60s; then again, that's what you'd expect from a capitalist-worshiping ideologue. In case you haven't noticed, most of the states that rely on aid from other states are RED; ironically the welfare recipients you fascists denigrate are the very people who constitute your base.

36% of tax filers (51.6 million filers) in 2008 had NO tax liability. And the numbers are getting worse. If you make a dollar, you pay 10 cents (MINIMUM). I don't care how much or how little you make, you pay taxes... PERIOD. There is your missing revenue. Half the country is exempt!!!

Ugh, you really are clueless, aren't you? That 36% you just stated had no income tax liability. Everybody pays taxes, like payroll tax, federal gas tax, excise taxes, and the like. Income taxes are DESIGNED so that the people who pay them tend to be wealthy; that's the point of a progressive income tax. In addition, most of the people who don't pay the income tax are too poor to pay it; they are shielded from the income tax by the Earned Income Tax Credit (or negative income tax), the deduction created by conservative Republicans as an alternative to raising the minimum wage. Now you want to eliminate the EITC, your very own creation! I hope your willing to double the minimum wage in the process....

When will the debt be too much for liberals? What is the magic number when liberals will say... wow... that is too much debt... we should start doing something about it? We'll be at 23T by 2016. The economy will not recover with high taxes and Obamacare and increases in minimum wage. Everything liberals propose KILLS the economy. And the US only generates 2.468T in revenue, which won't cover SS and Medicare in 3 years.

Idiot. We liberals don't focus on nominal debt; we prefer debt to GDP, which adjusts for inflation. Personally, I think the debt is too high, but that is only because of the impending Baby Boomer deluge and the Bush policies. We won't be at $23 trillion by 2016; that's assuming a deficit of about $1.8 trillion (higher than the peak under Bush/Obama). We liberals (and socialists) don't believe that tax cuts for the rich and vouchers for Medicare will grow the economy; nor will deregulation. Your last statement actually SUPPORTS raising taxes, since tax revenues will inevitably be too small to pay for spending. The deficit formula is simple: raise taxes, cut spending (primarily defense spending), and reform entitlements (both revenues and costs).

I know... just tax more. Who??? How much??? Even if you taxed everyone 100%, you wouldn't be able to cover our current budget.

Actually, you would be able to balance the budget. Assuming a 100% tax rate on about $16 trillion in total income (minus liabilities), we would raise about $16 trillion a year, essentially eliminating the deficit and creating a surplus of about $15 trillion in FY 2013. Then again, we'd tank the economy in the process. But a large tax rate can raise significant revenues. That's basic math.

But you go ahead and bash. Because you have nothing better to offer.

Actually, we HAVE better things to offer. I propose ending the Bush tax cuts for everyone, raising the payroll tax cap, chaining CPI, cutting the defense budget, and proposing reforms to Medicare. I've done that many times, and others have the same. Hell, the fiscal cliff would have balanced our budget in about 8 years (and it was pretty left-wing), and I proposed letting that happen instead of more budget wrangling.

Larry

You are simply a fool. According to the CBO most of the debt accumulated under Bush was from unfunded

You are deceived. The "unfunded wars" is linquistic trickery to fool people by using intelligent sounding words.

What actually happened is that instead of showing a larger deficit and borrowing more from the OFF-BUDGET (Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid funds) portion of the TOTAL Federal budget.

You tell me what the difference is between a I.O.U from the entitlements funds or just simply putting the spending right there.

Where did this wall break down? Clear back in 1968 with Lyndon Johnson signing the "Great Society" into law. Why did they break down the barrier? Well, 45 years ago, they knew that the spending was going to be more than we could afford, so allowing borrowing of the "rich" entitlement plans were deemed to strong to fail and over funded. Money could be syphoned off to pay for entitlements which is getting people dependent on government. Once people are dependent on government, it is very difficult to get them off and if you try, they will vote for the people who will keep the money coming into their bank accounts every time.

hmm if the nation borrowed money to pay for two wars, how is calling them "unfunded" linguistic trickery? What difference does it make if you push money around , you are still overspending by the same amount and are thus borrowing money.

We have been in debt and running a deficit for a long time

1* - Presidential control
2* - Senate control
3* - House control

D = Democrat R = Republican

Year
Nominal Dollars
Inflation Adjusted
1*
2*
3*

1940
$2.9 Billion Deficit
$47.54 BillionDeficit
D
D
D

1941
$4.9 Billion Deficit
$76.56 BillionDeficit
D
D
D

1942
$20.5 Billion Deficit
$288.73 BillionDeficit
D
D
D

1943
$54.6 Billion Deficit
$728 Billion Deficit
D
D
D

1944
$47.6 Billion Deficit
$618.18 BillionDeficit
D
D
D

1945
$47.6 Billion Deficit
$610.26 BillionDeficit
D
D
D

1946
$15.9 Billion Deficit
$187.06 BillionDeficit
D
D
D

1947
$4 Billion Surplus
$41.24 BillionSurplus
D
R
R

1948
$11.8 BillionSurplus
$112.38 BillionSurplus
D
R
R

1949
$0.6 Billion Surplus
$5.77 BillionSurplus
D
D
D

1950
$3.1 Billion Deficit
$29.52 BillionDeficit
D
D
D

1951
$6.1 Billion Surplus
$53.98 BillionSurplus
D
D
D

1952
$1.5 Billion Deficit
$12.93 BillionDeficit
D
D
D

1953
$6.5 Billion Deficit
$56.03 BillionDeficit
R
R
D

1954
$1.2 Billion Deficit
$10.26 BillionDeficit
R
R
D

1955
$3 Billion Deficit
$25.64 BillionDeficit
R
D
D

1956
$3.9 Billion Surplus
$32.77 BillionSurplus
R
D
D

1957
$3.4 Billion Surplus
$27.64 BillionSurplus
R
D
D

1958
$2.8 Billion Deficit
$22.22 BillionDeficit
R
D
D

1959
$12.8 Billion Deficit
$100.79 BillionDeficit
R
D
D

1960
$0.3 Billion Surplus
$2.33 BillionSurplus
R
D
D

1961
$3.3 Billion Deficit
$25.38 BillionDeficit
D
D
D

1962
$7.1 Billion Deficit
$53.79 BillionDeficit
D
D
D

1963
$4.8 Billion Deficit
$36.09 BillionDeficit
D
D
D

1964
$5.9 Billion Deficit
$43.7 Billion Deficit
D
D
D

1965
$1.4 Billion Deficit
$10.22 BillionDeficit
D
D
D

1966
$3.7 Billion Deficit
$26.24 BillionDeficit
D
D
D

1967
$8.6 Billion Deficit
$58.9 Billion Deficit
D
D
D

1968
$25.2 Billion Deficit
$165.79 BillionDeficit
D
D
D

1969
$3.2 Billion Surplus
$20 Billion Surplus
R
D
D

1970
$2.8 Billion Deficit
$16.57 BillionDeficit
R
D
D

1971
$23 Billion Deficit
$129.94 BillionDeficit
R
D
D

1972
$23.4 Billion Deficit
$128.57 BillionDeficit
R
D
D

1973
$14.9 Billion Deficit
$76.8 Billion Deficit
R
D
D

1974
$6.1 Billion Deficit
$28.37 BillionDeficit
R
D
D

1975
$53.2 Billion Deficit
$226.38 BillionDeficit
R
D
D

1976
$73.7 Billion Deficit
$297.18 BillionDeficit
R
D
D

1977
$53.7 Billion Deficit
$203.41 BillionDeficit
D
D
D

1978
$59.2 Billion Deficit
$208.45 BillionDeficit
D
D
D

1979
$40.7 Billion Deficit
$128.39 BillionDeficit
D
D
D

1980
$73.8 Billion Deficit
$205.57 BillionDeficit
D
D
D

1981
$79 Billion Deficit
$199.49 BillionDeficit
R
R
D

1982
$128 Billion Deficit
$304.04 BillionDeficit
R
R
D

1983
$207.8 BillionDeficit
$478.8 BillionDeficit
R
R
D

1984
$185.4 BillionDeficit
$409.27 BillionDeficit
R
R
D

1985
$212.3 BillionDeficit
$452.67 BillionDeficit
R
R
D

1986
$221.2 BillionDeficit
$462.76 BillionDeficit
R
R
D

1987
$149.7 BillionDeficit
$302.42 BillionDeficit
R
D
D

1988
$155.2 BillionDeficit
$300.78 BillionDeficit
R
D
D

1989
$152.5 BillionDeficit
$281.89 BillionDeficit
R
D
D

1990
$221.2 BillionDeficit
$388.07 BillionDeficit
R
D
D

1991
$269.3 BillionDeficit
$453.37 BillionDeficit
R
D
D

1992
$290.4 BillionDeficit
$474.51 BillionDeficit
R
D
D

1993
$255.1 BillionDeficit
$404.92 BillionDeficit
D
D
D

1994
$203.2 BillionDeficit
$314.55 BillionDeficit
D
D
D

1995
$164 Billion Deficit
$246.62 BillionDeficit
D
R
R

1996
$107.5 BillionDeficit
$157.16 BillionDeficit
D
R
R

1997
$22 Billion Deficit
$31.43 BillionDeficit
D
R
R

1998
$69.2 BillionSurplus
$97.33 BillionSurplus
D
R
R

1999
$125.6 BillionSurplus
$172.76 BillionSurplus
D
R
R

2000
$236.4 BillionSurplus
$314.78 BillionSurplus
D
R
R

2001
$127.3 BillionSurplus
$164.9 BillionSurplus
R
D
R

2002
$157.8 BillionDeficit
$201.02 BillionDeficit
R
D
R

2003
$377.6 BillionDeficit
$470.82 BillionDeficit
R
R
R

2004
$413 Billion Deficit
$501.21 BillionDeficit
R
R
R

2005
$318 Billion Deficit
$373.24 BillionDeficit
R
R
R

2006
$248 Billion Deficit
$282.14 BillionDeficit
R
R
R

2007
$161 Billion Deficit
$178.1 BillionDeficit
R
D
D

2008
$459 Billion Deficit
$488.82 BillionDeficit
R
D
D

2009
$1413 Billion Deficit
$1509.62 BillionDeficit
D
D
D

2010
$1294 Billion Deficit
$1360.67 BillionDeficit
D
D
D

2011
$1299 Billion Deficit
$1324.16 BillionDeficit
D
D
R

2012
$1100 Billion Deficit
$1100 Billion Deficit
D
D
R

2013
$900 Billion Deficit
$884.96 BillionDeficit
D
D
R

We fight this crap continually these days to keep the public eye off what has really been happening. The NeoCons perpetrated one of the largest hoax on the country when they sent us off to War in 2002 with no way to pay for it. Meanwhile they were ratcheting up trickle down economics favoring the Corporate World with Low to no Taxes furthering the reduction of income to pay down in debt. Then the Corporations went into overdrive orgasm and start laying off workers to grow the bottom line while growing the debt, because now, there is even less tax coming in from the unemployed.

AND TO PUT THE ICING ON THE CAKE… THE SAME REPUBLICANS WANT TO BLAME THE UNEMPLOYED WORKERS AND THE POOR FOR OUR FINANCIAL CRISIS – ENTITLEMENTS.

When are you people going to realize it is too late to balance the @!$%#ing budget…ain’t gonna happen.

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D B Akron: Sadly you people always have an excuse. Instead of defending Bush's decision not to attempt to increase revenues to deal with the costs of war as we have done in every other time of war you instead turn it into a discussion of the need to borrow social security money to pay for those wars. You don't even stop there you progress to blaming social security which is fully funded with separate revenue outside of federal tax revenues as being at fault for not providing enough funds to borrow for his wars. Are you for real? I guess it's equally hard to wean Republicans off borrowing from these entitlement programs they're so opposed to. Did you ever consider that had Bush come up with funding proposals that kept up with war costs it wouldn't be an issue?

Feisty, you are one messed up B%ch!

"Still, Ryan defended the generally unflinching conservatism of his budget.

"That [compromise] means we surrender our principles? That means we stop believing in what we believe in?" he asked at a press conference to debut his proposals. "Elections do have consequences ... This is our offer, this is our vision.""

Sounds like a "my way or the highway offer" to me.

He's saying that, in his mind, to "compromise" means to "surrender".

His "vision" unfortunately is "univison". He can't see, think, or hear beyond his own demands.

Am I to assume that the former Republican Party,but now the far right of an unknown party think that the ,majority of the American Voters are just going to kow-tow and say yes your Highness's, whatever you wish your majesties! Get real! You Lackeys to the super-rich lost and now are getting a resounding, not in this lifetime, answer to your ridiculous demands. Our P.O.T.U.S. is still trying to run this country with the backing of the Democratic and Republican Representatives of Congress, but the Republican Party no longer exists,therefore if he attempts to go back to our give and take he will find that it no longer is fact and he would loose the support of the majority of Voters and all respect from his own Party.

@First Impression:

interesting numbers but two things to point out. First, notice the near trillion dollar jump when Obama took over as pres. That trillion dollars was printed and our dollar diluted severely. Second, we went to war in 2003 with over 70% approval of the people. The people spoke, the President answered. Don't forget Bush got in front of the U.S. and said that this was not going to be over in a year or two, that if we went, we went in for the long haul. It is amazing how quickly people forget. If you are going to blame anyone, blame the people, it is their MAJORITY vote that led to everything.

Dear Mr. Ryan:

We voted that one down last November. Maybe you missed the election.

Sincerely,

An American TaxPAYER

I'm waiting for the GOP to apologize to the American people for spending the surplus Bill Clinton gave them in Iraq and Afghanistan.

I'll consider voting GOP when I get the apology.

DaveK-1110204 - Not the point Dave. You immediately went to blame Obama. That is like you having robbed 12 banks and me having robbed only one. I turn around and try to convince the world of what a horrible bank robber you are, as if I had never robbed one. Actually you made my point very well. You are trying to keep the focus on Obama, bad - Ryan, Good! That is not the point, it is that we are @!$%#ed and not going to pay down the debt at anytime in our lives or our Grandchildren's. The Banksters' and Money Cabal want all of us fighting about who is the worst BANK ROBBER!

36% of tax filers (51.6 million filers) in 2008 had NO tax liability. And the numbers are getting worse

Djo_34: Are you smart enough to realize most of these non filers exist because of Republican tax cuts? Millions were dropped under Reagan's cuts, millions more under Bush's and another 5 or 6 million would have been dropped from the roles under Romney's 20% cut and 2 tier tax structure. Clearly Democrats raising taxes doesn't put more non payers into the system. With Republican desires to cut taxes on the wealthy they inadvertently drop the poorest form the roles.

The group of zero-tax filers is growing rapidly because of the Bush tax cuts. It was 29 million in 2000, and it will be 44 million in 2004, a 50 percent increase. (See Table 1.)

http://taxfoundation.org/article/growing-class-americans-who-pay-no-federal-income-taxes

interesting numbers but two things to point out. First, notice the near trillion dollar jump when Obama took over as pres.

Derek: Did you know the 2009 fiscal year budget was passed by Bush in 2008 with a deficit of 1.2 trillion? Obama increased it with his stimulus but the main part of the budget was Bush's.

http://www.cato.org/blog/dont-blame-obama-bushs-2009-deficit

The chart is based on the assumption that the current administration should be blamed for the 2009 fiscal year. While this makes sense to a casual observer, it is largely untrue. The 2009 fiscal year began October 1, 2008, nearly four months before Obama took office. The budget for the entire fiscal year was largely set in place while Bush was in the White House. So is we update the chart to show the Bush fiscal years in green, we can see that Obama is partly right in claiming that he inherited a mess (though Obama actually deserves a small share of the blame for Bush’s last deficit since earlier this year he pushed through both an “omnibus” spending bill and the so-called stimulus bill that increased FY2009 spending).

And Dave, the 70% of Americans you say who supported the war (evidence please) were having consent manufactured by a lying administration. Note the shell game after it turned out there were no WMD; suddenly the intent all along had been to liberate the Iraqis. The only thing you've illustrated is that 70% of the American public is easily manipulable. Hardly a justification for a long, expensive war that has bilked taxpayers while enriching private security companies, defense contractors, and support industries like Haliburton. Get serious.

first impression - Great eye-opening post and so very sad but true. Unfortunately, its significance will be lost on most.

Biggest Oxy-moron in modern history - The Affordable Care Act

Without a doubt - it will - bankrupt the country

People seriously have no clue - what is about to hit them - the trusting uninformed will whine with pain - when the results become reality

Never - Never say - you had no clue this could happen

Tell your children and grandchildren - YOLO and it sucks to be you!

What a Bunch of Idiots - we have at the helm - spending so crazily in this Bizzaro Obamanation

Undeniable facts that even our children - will see through easily - and ask - WHY?

Marcus - I trust you had an enjoyable trip into the future. You have no idea what is going to happen - no one does. Most of us, however, have a decidedly more optimistic view of the future. It must certainly be a bummer in your world. Lighten up, enjoy the ride. You may be surprised.

Can someone please explain to me how Mr. Ryan figures he can repeal Obamacare and still reap the savings provided by Obamacare? I don't get that.

Fresh, that was wonderful and said well. I would stand and applaud if you could hear it.

I'm waiting for the GOP to apologize to the American people for spending the surplus Bill Clinton gave them

The surplus you reference - was swallowed up quickly by a Democrat Controlled Congress who became spend crazy and Bush did nothing to stop them - it torched the robust economy we had in 2006.

Spending is controlled by the Congress - they hold the purse strings - Cmon! You knew that!

Where are our health care dollars going?
"In hundreds of small and midsize cities across the country- from Stamford Conn., to Marlton, N.J., to Oklahoma City- the American health care market has transformed tax-exempt “nonprofit” hospitals into the towns’ most profitable businesses and largest employers, often presided over by the regions’ most richly compensated executives. And in our largest cities, the system offers lavish paychecks even to second-tier hospital managers, like the 14 administrators at New York City’s Memorial Sloan-Kettering Cancer Center who are paid over $500,000 a year, including six who make over a $1 million."

... thank goodness that this Ryan kid is not running our businesses.

Doug...all one has to do is a little research in their area to see exactly where their dollars are going. If you have never been hospitalized or to an ER you really don't have a clue. I assure if you ever are it's an education in and of itself. Expect hospital charges to be inflated to cover those who are under or uninsured. Check your state rules regarding hospital ER's and treatment. When a person enters will they be treated or denied for lack of insurance? Good luck finding a care facility that will take out of pocket payments. Hospitals can place a lien against your property until they are paid.

Respectfully Mr. Ryan's proposal is an insult. Americans have consistently said they don't agree with his past and current budget. He laughs and thinks the whole issue is funny despite the pain and suffering of millions of Americans? He epitomizes what is wrong with the Republican party. He seems to forget he was voted into office and just that fast can be voted out.

JK1963,

Staying the course is preferable to blasting a hole in the hull.

Dave K,

the 2009 budget was Bush's, Obama inherited it. Getting the US onboard for the Iraq war was one of the largest, most intrgrated, PR lying jobs ever perpetrated upon the American people. Cheney said the Iraq war would cost one billion dollars. Getting us into Gulf war 1 was A PR job done by Hill and Knowlton with the fake babies thrown out of incubaters story, paid for by the Kuwaiti royal family. Bush/Cheney/ Rove did it in house the second time around.

Marcus,

The congress must pay the bills incurred by previous legislation. It wasn't new spending that the 2006-8 house had to pay for, it was all the unfunded stuff from the irresponsible first 6 years under Bush43.

Doug,

It's not just hospital executives you mentioned. Since Nixon, the increased number of administrators has outpaced the number for medical professionels 8 fold. The health insurance industry accounts for most of these pencil pushers and they alone eat up 30 % of health care costs.

really Marcus D? Do you have proof or are you talking out of your other orifice?

here are some data and facts that you may want to read and understand before stinking up the joint...

http://zfacts.com/p/57.html

http://zfacts.com/p/318.html

Marcus D-4300696

I'm waiting for the GOP to apologize to the American people for spending the surplus Bill Clinton gave them

The surplus you reference - was swallowed up quickly by a Democrat Controlled Congress who became spend crazy and Bush did nothing to stop them - it torched the robust economy we had in 2006.

Spending is controlled by the Congress - they hold the purse strings - Cmon! You knew that!

So what happened between 2000 and 2006? The nation ran a balanced budget I suppose? All that spending took place in the last two years of the Bush admin? The two wars the Dems started in 2006, the Medicare drug plan the Dems pushed for, the tax cut that favored the wealthy that the Dems fought so hard for. All these things the Dems pushed for that drove up the deficit, that is quite a two year spending spree...oh wait that's right someone doesn't quite have thier facts straight. Hey I'm all for bashing spineless Dems but why is it that Republicans get a free pass on all the crappy stuff they did?

Afghanistan (started in 2001)

Iraq (started in 2003)

Medicare Part D (passed in 2003 took effect 2006)

Bush Tax Cuts--

The EGTRRA was designed to be phsed in over 9 years, but the JGTRRA accelerated the process. Thus by the time Dems took control of congress spendingwas already out of control. Not that the Dems did anything to help reign it in but heys there is plenty of blame to go around so let's not exclude our Republican friends.

Just a quick note: KCbones, in #1.9 is not only lying, he plagiarized a phrase from the left in order to lie.

What an icky little squeak. Not to mention a moronic right-wad puddle of puke. Oh. And a liar.

Addendum to my #1.35 post above.

Ryan does say he would repeal the ACA, but first he specifically lists two top priorities of his regarding the ACA, as if he would leave the mandate in place:

• Repeal the health-care law’s expansion of Medicaid.
• Repeal the health-care law’s exchange subsidies.

Ryan uses most of the bill in partisan derision of democrat budget policies and how Ryan imagines they would impact the future, often using buzzwords such as "cronyism." He states his unfounded beliefs that the ACA would cause an "explosion" in health insurance premium rates and health care costs and must be repealed.

Health insurance premiums and all healthcare costs in general have been inflating extremely rapidly for decades and no more now than previously but so rapidly that employers have increasingly not been offering health insurance coverage over the last 20 years and long before the ACA was conceived. There are currently approximately 50 million uninsured, many of whom are older with many health problems that private insurance will not cover without the ACA and many of whom cannot afford the exorbitantly expensive private health insurance premiums related to their age. The unpaid healthcare bills of the uninsured are a primary cause today of the constant extreme inflation of US healthcare costs, and with the repeal of the ACA there would be absolutely nothing to stop this inflation, and with our aging country, healthcare costs would continue to inflate but more rapidly than ever.

Ryan states that the CBO has stated the ACA would cost $1.2 trillion, but he does not mention that would be over 10 years. Medicare D which was written and passed by the republican-controlled congress and president in 2003, and which Ryan voted for (but which the republicans neglected to fund in any way) was projected by the CBO to cost $1 trillion dollars over $10 years.

Medicare is the social program that currently adds the most to the deficit, but from his bill, Ryan would essentially leave it as is for over 10 years, then his magical solution is privatizing Medicare with a voucher to subsidize. He would set up "exchanges" (which he says he hates in the ACA) where private insurance would "compete." In the real world, private insurance priced most seniors out of the health insurance market by the early 1960s, necessitating government intervention and the start of Medicare. Private insurance has higher operating costs than Medicare (advertising, high CEO salaries, etc.), and private insurance does not want to insure the most costly group of all--seniors with their many inevitable age-related diseases and conditions, and private insurance will again raise premium costs way beyond what the government voucher or most seniors could afford, again leaving most seniors broke with no way to pay for healthcare. And remember, seniors and handicapped people are the biggest consumers of healthcare, and healthcare is one of the biggest if not the biggest employer in America, so all this would have many negative impacts on the US economy and federal deficit.

Feisty - First off, congrats on being the first to post -- again! That must be some kind of record?

"Me thinks Lyin Ryan would be better served if he was seeking some sanity rather then his budget fantasy!"

It might be (in your opinion) a fantasy, but at least he has one submitted, and it calls for a balanced budget in 10 years. You may not agree with all of his proposals, but even you have to admit we need to balance the budget, right? It will be very interesting to see the President's/Democrat's budget, since our President just told George Stephanoupolos (sp?) that he has no intention of balancing the budget.

The largest single group of welfare recipients are children. They will get a job and work as soon as we repeal child labor laws and laws making school mandatory.

You have got to be kidding me!

This is a capitalist's wet dream. A captive labor force recruited before they graduate from high school. Oh wait! You want to eliminate that too! Why should those slackers be attending school when they can be working?

You need to go back and read some of the discussions that happened when our country was born. Public education was seen as the counter to lying, manipulative political process. An educated voter was an informed voter. Ponder that!

EEngineer

The largest single group of welfare recipients are children. They will get a job and work as soon as we repeal child labor laws and laws making school mandatory.

You have got to be kidding me!

This is a capitalist's wet dream. A captive labor force recruited before they graduate from high school. Oh wait! You want to eliminate that too! Why should those slackers be attending school when they can be working?

You need to go back and read some of the discussions that happened when our country was born. Public education was seen as the counter to lying, manipulative political process. An educated voter was an informed voter. Ponder that!

Ok I will ponder...I am uncertain what your point was or perhaps more importantly what you thought my point was. Anyway an uneducated work force is not so much a capitalist wet dream as thier biggest problem. In a modern technological society we rely on educated workers for many many things. Now uneducated people are easy to manipulate so the quandry for capitalists becomes: How do we educate them enough to be useful but still leave them dumb enough to manipulate?

The reality about child labor laws is that they were never created out of some sense of right and wrong regarding child labor. During the rise of industrialization the means of production became concentrated in the hands of fewer and fewer people (the capitalists). This led to one problem, the cost of labor. They had to invent way to control the cost of labor via capitalistic means. This led to the concept of unemployment. By creating fewer jobs than there were people to fill them it led to high demand for jobs which put the employer in control of wages. Of coures this led to groups being perpetually out of work and you couldn't have this get to out of hand, so they made certain moves to shrink the labor market to more managable sizes, one such move was removing children from the labor market. This also led to things like "welfare". Since you now had groups of people perpetually out of work and thus without a means of support, the powers that be (capitalists) had to devise a way to make sure thier plight did not get to desparate. Afterall we know what happened in france when the poor became too deparate and hungry. So they had the government start giving them a little money. Its a win-win for the capitalists because they can arbitrarily set unemployment as high as they need, and their own workforce "the tax payers" pay for the subsidy. Its a brilliant scheme.

TO: ProFreedom-5130956 who wrote:

"...At least SOMEONE has a plan!..."

A right wing wish list is NOT a plan.

Repealing Obamacare, when Ryan already knows that's not gonna happen?

Fantasy, not connected to reality and that's what Republicans call "a plan".

Geesch!