NBC's David Gregory describes his interview with Speaker of the House John Boehner, who questioned whether or not there is a real plan to replace the millions in budget cuts referred to as the 'sequester.'
Despite a “polite” meeting between congressional leaders and the president, Republicans see no short-term pathway to a budget compromise, House Speaker John Boehner told NBC News Friday.
“Listen, we’ve known about this for sixteen months,” Boehner told NBC’s David Gregory in an exclusive interview on Capitol Hill after the White House meeting. “And yet, even today there’s no plan from Senate Democrats or the White House to replace the sequester.”
Minutes after his exclusive interview with Speaker John Boehner for "Meet the Press," NBC's David Gregory talks about Boehner's comments on why sequester negotiations remain stalled.
Asked by Gregory if he sees any path forward for compromise, Boehner offered a less-than-optimistic assessment of the bipartisan session with Obama and the vice president.
“If I did, that meeting at the White House today might have gone better,” Boehner replied.
The full exclusive interview will run on NBC’s Meet the Press on Sunday. Check your local listings.
This story was originally published on Fri Mar 1, 2013 2:06 PM EST


Leaders don't let something they've known for 16 months get to this point or day.
The President is the leader of this country. It's his responsibility to not let it get to this point. Reid and Boehner are both to blame also but the majority falls on Obama.
The President needs to do something other then hitting the 'campaign' trail to try to create fear mongering and more divide in the country. He actually should man up take blame for this sequester since it's already been proven that it's his idea (no one is saying Republicans didn't vote for it, but Obama is denying it was his idea at all). He should not have his staff lie to the public at the podium about job cuts that are not going to be real and aren't based in fact. He actually needs to try to lead like a leader does instead of divide.
This President is not President of the United States.
He's President of the Democratic party.
You mean we haven't elected leaders?? I'm shocked and disappointed! I agree with you on most of it, but he really is the president of the USA, even if life looks more in line with your beliefs if you pretend he isn't. Remember, we went through eight years of Bush, and even though I did not agree with him, we was our president. Give him the same respect.
James, you're lying. That's all your party does. Lie.
President Obama has offered as much as he can. He offered cuts neither he nor ANY democrat wants. But he offered them.
Why isn't the GOP working with him?
The problem with this country is people like you who so easily believe the GOP lies.
Why don't YOU stand up to the republican party?
David Gregory will interview Boehner on MTP.
How precious!
No one will be watching the "weeper" say the same old, same old.
Democrats believe in growing the economy from the middle class out.
Republicans believe in trickle down, which has been proved NOT to create jobs. GWB's job creation was abysmal and cannot hold a candle to the 6 million jobs created under President Obama. And the DOW is very close to an all-time high.
POLITIFACT:
"Using raw dollars, Obama did oversee the lowest annual increases in spending of any president in 60 years."
"Using inflation-adjusted dollars, Obama had the second-lowest increase -- in fact, he actually presided over a decrease."
Isn't Boston fishing industry going belly up Pat? Government imposed regulations that are out of date are forcing an end to Cod fishing industry, wonder what will become of those folks that have been fishing for 7 generations.
Hmmm, forward huh?
President Obama has offered as much as he can. He offered cuts neither he nor ANY democrat wants. But he offered them.
Why isn't the GOP working with him?
And the GOP agreed to increase taxes that Bohener and no one in the GOP wanted just two months ago with now spending cuts. No, the President and the Dems want more tax increases and to reduce the spending cuts. Why won't the Dems admit they are not serious about cutting spending already? You got the tax increases you wanted, now where are the spending cuts the Dems will agree to?
HA! -- you mean VS the "same old Blame old"
Pat Boston....wish you would at least be honest. The Presdient got his tax increase last January and instead of talking about finally cutting spending he coupled sequester negotiations with another revenue increase. The Bob Woodward article was correct, "he moved the goalpost." I am sure the GOP will put closing tax loopholes back on the table so your beloved leader can get even more revenue out of us "rich" people, BUT and a big BUT only if he puts entitlement reform on the table.
Obama said it best. McConnell and Boehner are elected leasers too. Every time Boehner is asked anything about what HE will do, his response is always, let the sernate take action first. That's not the way it workers John.
I'm with the president....hold your ground and let the reppubl8icans burn on this. They are wrong, and we'll see how long it takes for them to do their damn job. They want cuts? They need to now man up and spell it out.....
Pat, your party doesn't seem to understand the meaning of lying...
Ask the President, Secretary of Education, Secretary of Homeland Security, Maxine Waters, etc...the lying/fear mongering is out of control on your side.
I'm glad the left leaning papers actually called them out on all the lies. About time.
Respect is earned Charlie. He hasn't earned it, especially with his constant blame game, campaigning and fear mongering.
You never heard Bush demonize a whole class of US Citizen. Bush never went off constantly on those on welfare or the 47% that don't pay income tax.
Obama literally hates a class of citizen in this nation. That is why he is not President of this Nation, he's President of his party.
The ReThulicans will not see reason until things get bad enough for their constituents to complain.
Further, they have been terribly successful in lying about what the REAL problem is . . . .
The REAL PROBLEM we have is a "jobs deficit" . . . we do not need "spending cuts," at this time. Sucking $$ out of a fragile & recovering economy is not what's best NOW. We need JOBS, JOBS, & more JOBS - put people back to work (at increased min wage) and the budget deficit will take care of itself.
This is a myth ("we need spending cuts") that Norquist and his crew have been trying to sell - with unfortunate success, since it is a LIE> They want a "government that is so small you could drown it in a bathtub." We surely don't need big gov, . . . but we do need EFFECTIVE GOV . . .
When voters are shown a list of 25-30 budget items, they do not want to cut ANY of them - NOT ONE! which is good, because we don't need to NOW.
we need a gov that can process applications from our veterans, so they can get the services they need/benefits they have earned, for example. We need early childhood ed; we need R & D' we need infrastructure investment - this will GROW the economy; as it grows, it takes care of the deficit.
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Plus we need a small tax on the kinds of Wall St trades that are purely speculative - a small tax would add up very fast, because of the huge volume of the trades. and the loophole on cap gains, above a certain level.
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All the intelligent & reasonable economists are trying to explain this, based on FACTS, not just ideology - Jared Bernstein, Robert Reiche, Paul Krugman, Ezra Klein, etc.
If you are truly intered in understanding this (and not just yelling & hurling hateful messages) go the the website for "The Last Word" . . . earlier this week, Ezra Klein subbed (for Lawrence) on The Last Word, and explained all this very well. Last night BOTH Bernstein & Reiche were on (with Chris Hayes). After you watch those videos, you'll understand what's REALLY going on - quickly & easily.
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WHERE ARE THE JOBS, MR BOEHNER - YOU PROMISED US JOBS!!! (oh, wait, the only one you care about is YOUR OWN!)
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FORWARD! :-)
Boehner keeps spinning about couple of bills from LAST year that are now irrelevant and done - as though they are current.
And now he has gone home.
I got your respect right here!!!!!!!!!!!
He has to earn respect......so far that hasn't been show by this Empty Suit Napoleon want to be............ little man........
Michelle, where do you live?
Every time Boehner is asked anything about what HE will do, his response is always, let the sernate taek action first. That's not the way it workers John
Then why don't you tell Reid to actually bring up the House Bills that have been passed for a vote in the senate, let the senate pass its own version of those bills and take them to reconcilliation. If Reid won't even bring up bills for debate in the senate, why should the House even bother to pass them.
James, thanks for defending the rich who are exploiting all of us. Thanks for sticking up for Boehner and Cantor and McConnell, who don't give a **** about this country.
When you vote "R" you are helping to drive this country into the ditch.
I'll repeat it again - President Obama has offered cuts. Cuts that I don't want. But cuts YOU obviously do want.
btw, go check out this story:
DailyKos:
A range of mainstream American publications printed paid propaganda for the government of Malaysia, much of it focused on the campaign against a pro-democracy figure there.
The payments to conservative American opinion writers — whose work appeared in outlets from the Huffington Post and San Francisco Examiner to the Washington Times to National Review and RedState — emerged in a filing this week to the Department of Justice. The filing under the Foreign Agent Registration Act outlines a campaign spanning May 2008 to April 2011 and led by Joshua Trevino, a conservative pundit, who received $389,724.70 under the contract and paid smaller sums to a series of conservative writers.
I respect the office of the president. This means I will not attack him on a personal level. I do not agree with him on many areas as I am conservative but I take out my frustration by voting. When people make informed decisions and vote according to their beliefs it is good. Also people can respectfully take opposing viewpoints. The president signed and suggested the sequester so it is his. Both parties of congress voted for it so the sequester is theirs as well. As much as they want to deny it unless you are a first term new guy your hand is in this. Everyone is at fault.
Pat - I live in the sad state of Illinois. We have as many or more problems than any just about any state in the union.
I saw that story on the fishing industry, and a few days earlier they were talking about how 90% of fish were imported into this country, how sad. And, of that 90%, only 1 to 2% get inspected!
I think we must be giving unfair advantages to foreign industries for this to be happening, sad really.
Yes, let's spend more money and demand that the minimum wage increases! Let's tax people so that we can pay it, or mandate companies pay more to their employees! It's not like those companies will take less in profit, Wall Street Bankers and CEOs are altruistic and will cut into their profits in order to take care of their employees. So what if the cost of goods and services go higher and higher? We're closing the gap between the rich and the poor, right? Right?!
Increasing minimum wage and increasing government programs for the poor don't help close that gap and improve the lives of the poor. I'm not saying to cut those plans all together, but if your goal is to raise the standard of living for the average person, that's not going to do it. We need a way to force the wealthy to invest in sound, long-term economic growth. And slow the rapid growth of quick-profit speculative investment that does little to actually GROW the economy. Tax speculative gains, but not the rich that actually help the working man by owning companies.
Heck of a job, Party of No.
You are officially economic terrorists.
The same Republican Party that says sequester cuts won't hurt the economy are the same people that said "the economy is sound" - right before we sank into the worst financial crisis since the Great Depression.
Pat Boston-7793618
I vote Independent and vote for those that preach fiscal responsibility and personal responsibility.
That can be a blue-dog democrat or moderate republican or even tea-party.
James, Tea party members are racists. I would think you wouldn't want anything to do with them as an independent. And moderate republicans aren't fiscally responsible.
Obviously.
Michelle, where in Illinois do you live?
When are the intelligent, rational, patriotic Republicans going to gain control of the G.O.P.? How long are the 'tea-nut gallery' and the 'Destroy Our POTUS At Any Cost" crowd going to be allowed to call the shots? These extreme groups are dysfunctional and detrimental to our country (and tearing apart the Republican party). Chris Christie is the only Republican that has the cajones to stand up to them-after Hurricane Sandy he did what he needed to do for WE THE PEOPLE and I truly admire and respect him for that..........
Pat, hi and yes,
Folks who live day to day, or are laid off or furloughed through no fault of their own, are not somehow shirking their "fiscal responsibility and personal responsibility".
James-546195-1049965
James, Surely you think the President is campaigning? The election is over there's no need. Besides, there's no need for it since President Obama was re-elected. What President Obama is doing is education the people withe the truth as opposed to the LIES Republicans are telling.
NO, our President is doing what he should do. He shouldn't be in the Washington bubble where nothing happens. Have you not forgotten, the Republican mantra of NO, NO, NO, NO?
Re: divisiveness, the dividers are the xenophobes over @ FOX & the FOX NATIONALIST audience, along with their Echo Chamber media flunkies. They hate African Americans, Hispanics, women, LBGT, and anyone who recognizes Obama to be the President of this nation
Boehner was ready for a early Happy Hour. Get a good hard drunk on John and pound it on the weekend. You will eventually have to face the music this month, the problem being you will not go away.Just quit if you cannot do your job as "speaker". F Grade........
Pat correction some Tea Party members are racists. Just as some members of the Democratic party are racists. The majority of people don't fit these stereo types.
Yes, and Tea party members do NOT recycle as well, the commies!
I thank GOD every day that he sent Democrats down to fix everything.. /sarcasm
To answer your question, I live south of Chicago by a couple of hours...
The DOW's all-time high and corporate all-time profits do not translate into job hires.
But wage increases go back into the economy, goes back to businesses - and they end up hiring more workers because of it.
chris, "some" tea party members are racists? That's news to me.
I saw them all over tv, thousands of them - and they hated the fact that a black man was our president. You can try and change their image all you want - but it's never going to go away. How I remember those signs.
Backhouse, hi yourself!
Thank you chrischambee. I was typing some of the same things. Pat- I consider myself a tea party supporter, and I could care less that the president is black. Why does it matter what color his skin is? I don't like him being president because of his policies. I'm sorry to hear that you believe everything the media shows. But here's a newsflash of my own: the media will show whatever gets the ratings going; in this case, the most inciteful bad element of a group that it can.
Isn't Massacusettes sending "fat" kids home with a note to inform their parents of their condition? I wonder how that makes an overweight child feel, being sent home with a note calling him/her "fatty".
How does something that mean and cruel get passed?
Yeah, right. We weren't born yesterday, James-lotsanumbers. Your posts reek of the kind of conservatism that doesn't budge an inch on anything--it's easy to imagine you siding with McConnell when he said, way back when, that his goal was to make Obama a one-term president. The only person you're fooling is yourself.
Pat, the most racist people I've met are on the left. It's usually the ones that decry race wars that are the most racist. See Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, Maxine Waters, etc. Those that pull the constant "race card" and blame others for their situations. You know we were most likely all slaves at one point in our families history...time to let it go.
Jack...believe what you want...I don't care. I know what I vote and what I believe in which is personal and fiscal responsibility. The rest is rhetoric and ideology...
Lil Michelle@#1.5: The reason they imposed a limit on cod fishing was to PROTECT the fishermen. If they fish them out - which they started to do by the way, what are they to fish for in future years? Cut back on the season and let them replenish. Then go back to full out fishing again in a few years.
Pat Boston:
"Tea party members are racists"
I'm truly sorry but this just shows your ignorance.
Funny how the media never explains things, thanks for that info IAMMYOWNWOMAN
I actually know several Tea Party members. They are more concerned with the ways that the country is run than the color of the man running it. Racism is wrong. It exists and we should strive to stamp it out. Disagreeing with the administration due to your principles does not a racist make. Look into their stances and talk to one of these people. I don't often agree with my demo rat friends about politics but we can discuss them with out unwaun called for attacks and accusations of hate. God bless
Pat, looks like lm is holding you personally accountable for everything that goes on in MA! Priceless! Some stuff you just can't make up.
James, those people you mention will stop at nothing to finish the job of equality for all. Blac,k. White. Latino, etc.
I admire the work they have done. Have you ever marched for equality, for civil rights?
Pat,
I have been to Tea Party rallies and I have never, never seen anything signs and no racist comments.
Eliminate Excessive Taxes
Eliminate the National Debt
Eliminate Deficit Spending
Protect Free Markets
Abide by the Constitution of the United States
Promote Civic Responsibility
Reduce the Overall Size of Government
Believe in the People
Avoid the Pitfalls of Politics
“I am a firm believer in the people. If given the truth, they can be depended upon to meet any national crisis. The great point is to bring them the real facts.” --Abraham Lincoln
Nah, just noting how that state is being run into the toilet, much like my own.
The leadership in both Pat's state and my own are failing miserably, no fault of anyone but the voters.
To all those who insist the tea party crowd isn't racist. No president has gotten more death threats than President Obama. This bit of news comes not from me, but from the Secret Service.
I.saw.the.signs. We.all.did. And it's still going on. They reek of racism.
There's a reason WHY the GOP is so unpopular. And the tea party gang is a big reason why. Although Boehner and McConnell and Cantor don't help things.
No doubt that part of the threats increase is due to racism. No one has implied it doesn't exist. But your comment implies all presidents get threats. And this one, I feel, has done more to divide us than any president in recent memory. Don't get me wrong, the field is fertile after Bush, who led us into a lot of this trouble, but the great uniter has proved to be more of the great divider. We can say it's the Republicans fault for not working with him, sure, but he's the president, and as Truman used to say, the buck stops there.
To those saying the TP is NOT racist - what about those T-Shirts about wanting a White Man in the White House? Nah, that's not racist at all - (eye roll!).
Too bad Lil Michelle thinks Illinois is in the toilet. I live in Chicago and I can tell you we are making great strides to improve the city and the economy. But, you'd actually have to know facts to know that. We are bringing in new business and more jobs. We're working to improve the city and the state. But, again, knowing facts is important!
Brad, I love how the right likes to claim President Obama is responsible for the divisiveness THEY have encouraged from day one of President Obama taking office!
Brad, no - the buck stops with those who don't want to work with him. The country is paying attention and they're pretty fed up with seeing republicans receiving a paycheck yet not working for anyone except their rich lobbyist friends.
The country is behind President Obama. Not the GOP. It isn't President Obama who wants to see people suffer. He wants a deal. The republicans don't. They have made it quite clear.
And a lot of these cuts are going to affect the poor. It's just sad that not more of you independents/republicans will stick up for them. Will stand by them.
Heartless.
You act like Obama has some unquestionable approval of the masses. Like everyone thinks he's doing a great job. His approval rating is 50.9%. 43.6% think he's doing a bad job. Granted, that's the majority, but that's hardly the whole country. I don't believe for a minute that Obama wants this country to fail. I can see, plain as day, that the man cares deeply for this country and believes in what he's trying to do. I just disagree with his means to get there. Is it so wrong that I resist? Or should we just roll over and become a democracy, or a mob of the 50%+1? And I do care about the poor, but I believe in the idea of giving a man a fish, feed him for a day; teach a man to fish, feed him for a lifetime. Give me a solution that doesn't increase debt, rob Peter to pay Paul, and in regards to the poor, something that actually helps them help themselves.
Pat Boston:
"They reek of racism"
I cant be nice with this one...You are full of crap!
Our leaders really are a bunch of idiotic babies! What's all this my team versus your team idiotic nonsense? For God's sake you're all Americans!
Wouldn't it be More Productive if Our Elected Leaders Started Working Together as AMERICANS for AMERICANS and AMERICA, instead of just bickering, stalling and posturing for the next election as democrats and republicans! The American People have had it with this unproductive BS! The way that both parties having been operating for years just stinks! Neither party has really been looking out for the best interests of the US Citizens who elect them and who they're supposed to represent.
Both parties have sold out the bulk of the American citizens, who they're supposed to represent, by allowing the "out-sourcing" floodgates to open wider and wider without taking any sensible measures to stem the tide.
It shouldn't be all about Democrats or Republicans! It should be about Americans, especially our elected officials, doing the right thing for our country and its citizens. All the single-minded, left versus right, ideological one dimensional bull has got to go!
Both parties need to start working together and actually start doing something to fix the real problems in our country like "out-sourcing", illegal immigration, the out of control costs of health care insurance and our reliance on foreign fuel. If they don't start working together and actually start making progress by the next election, then American citizens should run a nation-wide campaign to vote out all incumbents regardless of party to send the message.
The ONLY REAL FIX is to Raise Revenue, by Bringing Back Jobs to US Citizens who Pay Income Tax.
Massive cutting just puts more people on unemployment, which just depresses the economy even further.
Returning private sector jobs to American Citizens will provide income tax revenue to OUR Government versus our government having to pay unemployment benefits to those who would be jobless instead. We need our elected officials to Start Protecting American Jobs and do whatever it takes to bring back the jobs they let go. We need leaders who will actually stand up for the American people.
Bringing manufacturing back home to the USA is going to end up being not only a key to restoring our economy, but to maintaining our national security as well.
China has been crushing the USA in a war without even firing a shot.
Just check out Chinese extreme pollution issues - We all live in the same world, but not every country plays by the same rules.
The bottom line is that "Our Government" has to protect domestic industry and the jobs that those industries provide. If they do that, the rest will take care of itself.
We may have to pay a bit more for products made here in the USA by US citizens, but at least we'll still have jobs and a future for our children.
Yes, leaders cave. They cut medicare, social security, food stamps and foreign aid and let everything else stay the same. They then get re-elected because they did all this things and the people that depended on these programs vote for them anyway because they led. That is exactly how it works.
SS,
So you are basing your opinion on a few idiots wearing offensive T-Shirts. So naturally the whole Tea Party Movement must be racist. How very narrow minded of you.
The sequester was a bet on the part of both Obama and Boehner. Obama bet that Pelosi would be speaker of the House after the last election, and Boehner bet Romney would b president. They both lost. Boehner was counting on cuts reorganized by Romney, and Obama was not planning on cutting anything with Pelosi leading the House. But now Boehner knows that bad cuts are better then no cuts, and in the end only the House passed anything to avert the sequester. Obama has talked a good game when it comes to solutions, but sequester was a spending cut tool and Obama decided to move the goalpost and go after more tax increases. The Democrat led Senate never passed a bill, but the last minute one they were pushing would have added to the deficit according to the CBO. Obama has failed on sequester. All Obama needed to do was put the okay on smarter cuts, and push forward with a complete tax reform package. Pushing against some paltry cuts dollar wise and trying to close some very targeted tax loopholes is hardly a commendable effort from Obama. It really does appear that the Obama strategy all along was to derail any compromise by insisting on more tax increases, solely to blame Republicans.
Happy Pig Day!! GOPigs...
Oink.
Brad, no worries. Congress's pay won't freeze until this crisis is over. Nothing will be taken away from them. They don't have to do anything to earn their paychecks. Except go on tv.
Meanwhile, we must teach the poor to help themselves. By taking away any advantage they may have to get ahead.
Have a nice weekend.
STLMIke
Then why don't you tell Reid to actually bring up the House Bills that have been passed for a vote in the senate, let the senate pass its own version of those bills and take them to reconcilliation. If Reid won't even bring up bills for debate in the senate, why should the House even bother to pa
STLMIke,
What do you think the BUDGET CONTROL ACT of 2011 IS?
http://video.msnbc.msn.com/mitchell-reports/51009201#51009201
Boehner is lying. There has been a white house plan for a while now that the GNOP has been ignoring. http://www.whitehouse.gov/issues/sequester/the-presidents-plan
To the Grand O'le Plutocrat party there is no plan unless it is their plan. If they disagree with an plan then there is NO plan. My way or the highway mentality regardless of the ill effects on the country. What happened to country before party?
james, have you ever taken a civic course? If you had you might remember that the LEGISLATIVE branch is responsible for the finances/purse of the country NOT the executive branch.
@ SS
Isn't Chicago have a FELON on the ballot -- to replace Jesse Jackson Jr's seat? Albeit a REPUBLICAN that will NEVER get a single vote (it is Chicago, btw).
Yeah Seeking, better start seeking sanity within your own city.
TO: James-546195-1049965 who wrote:
I disagree, because Republican Voters wanted to stop the President from being able to do anything, so they installed the Teabaggers to create "gridlock". Now there is gridlock, but not because of the President, but because that's what enough voters wanted that they were able to elect enough Teabaggers to create gridlock.
There's nothing Boehner can do, although I know he's tried in more ways than one to control the Teabaggers, and there's nothing the President can do about it.
I heard more than one Republican say that they put the Teabaggers in place, and that they [the Teabaggers] are doing exactly what the people in those Congressional districts want them to do.
All I can say is, majority rules, even when it's not going my way, but those folks are Americans too and if there is enough of them that want gridlock, we have to deal with it.
Boehner is just taking a Piggy back ride with the Tea Powwow Movement for all mankind !!!
TO: James-546195-1049965 who wrote:
Statements like that are causing a serious problem for the Republican Party, but keep it up, the less there are of you, the better I like it.
Some folks make being "Republican" an embarrassing confession.
Pat,
Just like everyone should call the Black Panther's racists organization for their voting intimidation tactics, right? If that isn't racist, then you are blind.
Lil Michelle,
I do feel your pain...like Illinois, we here in california are straddled with a senile governor that wants to spend $95+ billion on a high speed choo choo to nowhere, yet can't find enough money to get guns from convicted felons. We are also a state that has now two bankrupt cities. A state where illegals have more rights than citizens of ths state. Los Angeles is near bankrupt thanks to a bumbling mayor of Tony Villar who couldn't even do one thing right at the Democratic Convention last year. Yes...we are sad sad state with our elected officials.
I guess we can strike "Strong on Defense" from the Republicans' mission statement. They have actually decided its worth risking weakening our national security in order to secure tax loopholes to benefit private equity managers.
John Boehner is flat out lying. President Obama's plan has been on the White House web site for weeks; he has made numerous offers to the GOP. Democrats tried to bring a plan to the House floor three times this week, and Boehner refuses to allow it on the Floor for debate and an up/down vote. The Senate yesterday afternoon voted on a GOP plan which failed getting only 38 votes; then the democratic plan had the required majority votes EXCEPT the GOP Senators filibustered it.
Speaker Boehner, "you lie", do not claim President Obama and democrats have not provided any plans. The better question where is the House GOP plan? What is the GOP plan besides just taking defense cuts out of the sequester and cutting everything else?
Challenge to David Gregory: for once on MTP, do your job and call out the lies, challenge this poor excuse for a Speaker of the House. Viewers deserve the truth.
Pat,
So did the rest of us! For those who are "playing" the game of 3 blind mice, here's a friendly reminder of some of the WORST signs the baggers put on display. The poor grammar and mis-spelling is an added bonus (lol);
Here's a tea party leader calling for assasination of the @!$%#ing @!$%# (his words not mine) and his monkey children;
But wait there's more!
The guy who claims to be the founder of the tea party can't even spell niggar correctly;
Scratch a tea bagger and undercover a bigot!
Save us from your phony indignation!
I'll believe what my own EYES see over your pathetic attempts to convice me otherwise!
All anyone has to do is "google" Tea party racism and you'll find a treasure chest of their racist bias!
James lots of numbers, I believe is the same re-reg idiot Jason-317892(something like that).
Boy, these idiots have nothing else better to do than create multiple accounts to make it seem like right wing conservatives have such a big gathering of people. Please!!! Laughing at these nutjobs..
Welcome to First Read, Jason! ☺
You mean there's inappropriate references to Obama by people with posters? Good thing no one had any for Bush... oh, nevermind. There were tons! Just google "bush hating posters" for a few, and more than one or two reference race, hitler, or outright call for his death!
As far as some of the tea-party politicians that make racist statements, thank you for pointing them out, and please keep it up. While I support the tea party, I don't support racism. Not all of us "tea-baggers" (which I hate that term, just FYI) are 100% knowledgeable about every candidate out there. Point them out when you see them, and more of us will be more than happy to oust them. The job of the opposing viewpoint should always be to keep their opponents feet to the fire.
thetotas, if the TP doesn't like being called racists, then they should stop behaving as if they are. They may not all be racists but they do nothing to discourage the ones who are from being the voices and the public persona of their John Birch Society roots--they even elect them.
America don't have a spending problem, America has a funding problem, years and years of republican tax cuts for the very rich and the failed trickle down policy's of the republican party have devastated this country. Two wars, that was not needed, and an unfunded drug benefit that only benefits the big pharma and an another ill advised tax cut for the very rich have us where we are today. Quite frankly you righty are nuts. Irresponsible little children that won't pay homage to your country because your own ego's get in the way.
Social Security is not an entitlement, it is paid for by working people to supplement and benefit people that work. End the cap on S.S. and means test it. Otherwise keep your f-ing hands off of it. Medicare can be fixed by a slight raise in taxes for all, and means testing. Its time the very rich started paying their fair share. It is the working people that made them rich and its time to give back.
Jody,
And where is your outrage for group like the Black Panthers or Nation of Islam?? I see...since they are liberals, they must not be racist, right?
The tea party TRAITORS, has nothing to do with large government or spending, it has everything to do with racism. The tea party formed in Feb. of 2009 in direct response to our first person of color being elected president. Backed by Koch brothers money, it enlisted some of the most vile people I can think of. Irresponsible morons. They started protesting Obama before he even had a chance to do anything, then when he give them cause (Obama Cares) they ran with it with lies, mis-statements and misdirection. (death panels) and such. Don't try to defend these low life people whose purpose is to demonize a president that is working for the middle class. Teabaggers are un american and should be treated as a terrorist organization and deported to gitmo in my opinion.
JK, where was the outrage when George W. Bush was spending faster then money could be printed?
John,
Please...Obama is the king of spending money he doesn't have... Next stupid question??
You are the epitome of a blow hard liberal that drools over every little tidbit thrown to you by your fellow liberals and then runs off screaming "RACIST!" Why don't you take a walk down through memory lane of all the southern Democrats that wanted to hang black people from trees left and right. Talk about a party of racists...
Even look at your party today...even if one minority (be it African-American or Latino) has enough intelligence to be a Republican, you on the left are out there clamoring that they are a "token" for the Republicans...without even once considering that you are being a racist simply because they choose to believe in a different political viewpoint than your narrow mind subscribes to.
Pat Boston-7793618:
There is racists on both sides. You can't get over 80% of any race's vote and not attribute that to race. President Obama benefited from racist voting FOR a black candidate. BTW - I'm OK with it that as long as it is acknowledged.
Finally, the president's job is to bring together the two sides and rise above these things (regardless of party). He absolutely refused to discuss the issue of entitlement reform as part of the fiscal cliff deal. He deftly maneuvered the Republicans into the post-election and New Year deadline choice which had to be addressed. There was not time to tie the two together then, and the stakes were higher. However, the Republicans stated then, that next move was on the budget side, not the revenue side. That's what the sequester is, cuts - it isn't a revenue tactic.
Please remember that this represents a 3% reduction in the planned INCREASE of spending. The total sequester amount is only .85 of a single month's deficit spending. Less than 1 month's "in the hole" spending - total. It's a drop in the overall bucket, but it's a step. We need the ratio of GDP to spending to drop back to Clinton era 18-19% range.
The president is a great politician, but unlike the last great Democratic communicator, President Clinton, he's not a pragmatist that gets something, if there is something to get. The president should have allowed all the tax cuts expire, that way the entire country could share in the solution. The problem with that is that it would have focused EVERYONE on the spending issue, rather than simply demonizing 1% that almost none of us ever interact with. When the Middle class starts feeling the pinch of all these programs, there will be change. Right now, the president is saying that only the wealthy should pay more. There isn't enough wealthy people to make it work - that's just math.
President Obama wants us to work together. The first step might be to say that the Senate needs to actually vote on a budget. He might also proclaim that it is not only the leader of the House and Minority Leader in the Senate, but the leader of the Senate and the Minority Leader in the House that are part of the gridlock issue. If you're going to throw Congress under the bus, throw both parties under the wheels. That is a credibility builder for those of us who read widely, think carefully, and vote across party lines.
Finally, back to the original point. I voted for President Obama in 2008, Mark Warner for VA. Governor and later the US Senate, and Doug Wilder for Va. Governor (back in the day) - Because I thought they were the best people for the job, not because or against the color of their skin.
When you use the really insignificant margins of a group to demonize the whole, it limits the constructiveness of any dialogue. This isn't about race, it's about differences of opinion and what it will take to get us back to a robust economy. all the revenue can't come from somebody else (although I too find that an attractive option), and all reasonable program cutting and additional efficiency cannot do the job, either. President Obama needs to include all in the pain / solution and the Republicans have to admit that revenue and tax code simplification (read closing loopholes), needs to be part of the plan.
Lil Michelle - I don't give a rat's a** about a felon the GOP is running. And, the city of Chicago has voted Republican in the past - i.e. George Ryan - oh wait - he's out of jail now, right?????
As always, seeking sanity in the Republican party but I can point to your many posts as proof that absolutely NONE exists - as well as not one iota of common sense. OH, and the 162 IQ? Not a chance in H*LL!!!
JK1963 - Neither the Black Panthers nor the nation of Islam are Liberals - they're extremists! Nothing more - nothing less!
and pray tell us your IQ Seeking?
didn't think so...
JK please, And you are the king of liars stupid. You are the exact person I am talking about when I call your kind lying conservatives. YOU are a rascist. YOU are the liar. YOU suck and are stupid.
Completely ignor the truth, southern democrats, KKK members moved to the republican party when their jig is up. Of course JK you knew that. you lying bigot.
Lil Michelle - much higher than yours. Spent from 4th grade up in gifted classes. Uh oh - lost again, didn't ya?
LIL stupid, At least SS don't lie about her IQ or gender.
what a lying sack of crap!
hey listen, this fiscal cliff and sequester were NEVER NOT SUPPOSED TO HAPPEN!!!!!
they were ALWAYS supposed to happen, and GOING to happen, from the minute the idea was spoken.
if youre too dumb to realize it, stop voting. please!
congress is all rich and could care less what happens to the rest of us, as long as you keep blaming republicans, they they keep blaming democrats, the plan is just perfect. they bailed out the rich after they screwed us, and WE are the ones who are going to pay it off.
and in all honestly we deserve it because WE all keep voting for all of them.
vote, for the first time ever, in this next congressional election, against EVERY incumbent. do not do that, and this will be the exact same thing forever. their pay isnt going to get cut nor their taxes raised, but mine and yours sure will!
1700 less in my return this year, thanks to child care credit being reduced by two grand. so much for hiring a contractor to redo my bathroom, so much for a new car downpayment. the only thing im going to be able to do is once and for all pay off every last cent of credit card debt, so at least these vultures will never get another cent of interest out of me.
Johntho - thank you. Am a woman - have always been a woman.
John,
You are nothing but a blind fool, and even worse a blind liberal fool. How am I a racist? Specifics...I know that is a hard concept for you, but at least give it a try.
Black Panthers and Nation of Islam are as extreme as your "progressive" liberals that want to deny the fact that Obama benefitted from the black vote. Plain and simple. Greg, nailed it right on the head. At least be an adult enough to admit it.
James-546195-1049965
Our constitution calls for the house to make up a budget and send it to the senate for additions or changes..and the congress to vote either for it or not. Like it or not..it is the responsibility of the house to develope a budget..if , as it seems that they are not capable then we need an all new group of members in the house. They are elected to work for us all...they have not done so in years. What this nation needs is jobs..and neither party has addressed that issue..given a lot of mouth to it but not one bit of action. As for calling democrates lyers..you have to includs all republicans as well since none of them uphold what they ran on to get elected.
JK1963 - Black Panthers and the Nation of Islam are NOT liberals - just extremists. You can say differently all you want but we all know it isn't true.
And, yes the President benefited from the black vote as did Bush in both elections. Your point???? President Obama also benefited from votes of the more highly educated whites who didn't buy Romney's stupidity and Ryan's lies. Again, your point????
YOU should not be talking to anyone about being an adult - will you even be a teenager this year?
Oh my, 4th grade they put you in "gifted classes"
degree in what Seeking?
ivan, NC:
Actually, in the recent past, the House has passed several budget proposals.
They haven't been allowed to come to the Senate floor to be considered or voted upon.
Whether the (assuredly) different budgets could have been reconciled in committee is another question. However, without coming to the Senate floor for a vote, we will never know.
Only small-minded people project the behavior of a small group of extremists in any group to the entire group. Isn't that the very basis of stereotyping and bigotry? A lot of hypocrites posting comments...
Jk, you are nothing but a low life pond scum. I don't owe you an explanation, you are to dumb to do anything with it except deny it. Romney benefited from the old white man vote. So what is your point? stupid You bring up the panthers the nation of Islam because you are a racist pig. Sorry piggy. There are good pigs and there are bad pigs, JK is one of the worst. I am so sick of you racist azz republicans.
hey jk 1963, are you serious? youre really jealous of black people huh?
heres a statement for you to ponder:
the first 43 presidents got in with the white vote!!!!
did you ever even stop long enough to consider? my guess is no. since black people are the dawn of man, that means for thousands of years the racist vote won out!
in our countrys first 200 bloody years, black people have been here ALL along, so the RACIST WHITE VOTE kept them out of power two hundred plus years, and youre mad that for the FIRST TIME EVER it happened in reverse? hypocrite!
ps, im WHITE, and i voted for obama. it wasnt just blacks, as people like you, ungracious losers, love to fool yourself into believing.
Greg Shep,
Thanks for your comment, very insightful.
SS, the only point JK has is the one on top of his head that keeps his size two, three cornered, tin foil hat, adorned with tea bags from slipping over his to small a head.
yeah man im like, so super worried the black panthers are gonna take over! any day now theyre going to! just like in the sixties right? (except for how it never ever happened).
please keep focused on that.. obamas a muslim.. hes from kenya, and indonesia, he's a radical racist christian who sat in reverend wrights racist christian church for twenty years, but also a muslim (somehow).
Lil - I have my MBA And, yes, in 4th grade I tested into the gifted classes program in Winston-Salem. Get over it!
believerof - oh, I thought he was a alien, from outer space??? Pretty sure I heard that from one of the low information types! LOL Does it EVER end????
gasp! did you guys hear how much his wifes dress cost?!?!?!?!?
John,
You are a useless human being. I've seen your posts before threatening violence if anyone touched your Social Security. You are nothing but a bitter old man who gets his kicks by being able to log and talk and act tough. You are far too stupid to understand how the world works. Try not spend all your SS check on booze and cigs...
Seeking,
Once again you prove yourself to be a waste of air.
Totas,
I second Greg's comment. It's refreshing to have intelligence posted here instead of the drivel from the likes of John and SS.
Au contraire, SS. You obviously ignored the exit polls with followup showing that the average Oblama voter had an IQ 28 points lower than the average Romney voter. Kind of surprised me. I really thought it was more.
Now that you mention it, 4th grade does not surprise me.
hjack - wrong but nice try. The voters for President Obama were more highly educated than the low information voters who pulled the lever for Romney. But nice try at deflection. And, no one would have the IQ of voters in any poll - they would have to have actual IQ tests scores to get those. Your post shows how a simpleton thinks - or doesn't actually!
JK1963 - you posts always prove you are a total waste of air; space; etc! As for drivel - it's all you have! And, it's all we've come to expect from you!
believerof - GASP! And, the fact that she pays for her own clothes seems to be a difficult concept for the little far righers!
Seeking Sanity
The voters for President Obama were more highly educated than the low information voters who pulled the lever for Romney.
No, miss lib, I am not wrong. If you are any indication of the 'highly educated' who voted for this non-leader, your 4th grade education is showing.
The country is broke, and all that everyone does is point fingers at each other. The division is obvious, my self included. Everyone complains and points and calls others names, but offers no real intelligent dialect to the blog. The libs seem to be the worse of all.
The sequester is not important, it's pennies on the dollar in the whole scheme of things. We are 16 trillion dollars in debt people. More taxes is not the solution. Closing loopholes is not the solution. Too much energy spent on finger pointing and posturing when it comes to peanuts. The real problem is SPENDING. Both parties have had plenty of time to seriously talk about responsible spending cuts. It was Obama's idea and the House signed off on it long ago. It is EVERYONES fault that an agreement has not been made. Yet we have the money to send Syria $60 million in aid plus food and medical supplies. We have the money to send drones and troops to Niger. We have the money to continue the lifelong pensions of the same thieves we voted for in local elections in the past. There is too much government involvement in every aspect of our lives. It is not what it was meant to be. No wonder the country is in the toilet. I don't see things getting better anytime soon as long as we sit back and do nothing about it.
No hjack - you're totally wrong and the funny thing is - NO one is believing the lie you've posted - not even the far righties! Tray again.
And, I truly could not care less what YOU think of me! Why would ANYONE care??? LOL
No JK, you are the useless human being, not me. A waste of human flesh, and a waste of my good air. And a stupid young man, you actually think conservatism is good for the country. I have seen it with my own eyes. IF you worked for a living you might see it too, and I meant what I said about Social Security. You want to fight, try f-ing with my Social Security, you'll have something you can't handle.
hjack, shut up, you ignorance is showing, S.S. has always been an inteligent poster. You, not so much.
Sow, Our country is not broke, irresponsible rich people have more money now then ever before. Our country needs to tap into that resourse, instead of them only taping into ours.
We do not have a spending problem, we have a revenue problem. Pay up.
hijack - and the 4th grade reference shows a total lack of any cleverness - really - is that the BEST you can do????
I'm telling you, the military industry complex, health complex, and mega-rich individuals are deep in Boehner's pocket, telling him exactly what to do. They have some power over this man!!!
SS, 2, count them, 2 responses to the same message! Little nerve irritation there?
hjack,
You will notice that SS NEVER posts any link that supports her supposed claims. They obviously believe that people are that stupid to believe their nonsense.
John,
Yet another post to prove what a violent human being you are... Oh wow...like you are really scaring me with your threats like a schoolyard bully. So how come you didn't save for a rainy day like the rest of us? You couldn't bother because you spent your weekly paycheck hanging out at the local bar with your drunken buddies wallowing in your own demented version of life. Cry me a river loser. Anyone that resorts to violence and threats is certainly a few fries short of a happy meal.
Johntho - again, thank you! Have a great weekend!
hijack - no, you couldn't strike a nerve with a hammer!
JK1963 - and yet I've posted much more information than you EVER have. If you haven't seen any links, you've never had anyone read them to you!
Damyou - oh and that is the BEST you can do???? Why is THAT no surprise? LOL Typical little right winger!
And, actually I always hated the "gifted classes" name. I wish they had just called it advanced classes or something else. It created problems but I guess in the end, it was worth it!
SS...
Your "information"?? Oh you mean random words strung together in a feeble attempt to convey a message?
I am not a bully, but I will defend my way of life from azzholes like you. Make no mistake I am serious, f with me, and my social security you got a problem you can't handle, and there more of me then there are of unintelligent azzholes like you, you are a pond scum bottom feeder and nothing more.
Seeking, no, thank you, thank you for trying to post some sense to these low life's. I personally have no use for most any conservative and if I had my way I would pack them up and send them to Iran, that is the kind of country they want to make this one. The republican party wasn't this way until saint Ronny, as they keep losing elections they will come back toward center and I will back off a bit. But until that time folks like JK can go to a corner and do what they do best and that is to touch themselves inappropriately.
JK1963 - yours is a truly a pathetic post- as usual.
No JK, she means, good post, ones that show a lot of sense and above all something you can't understand at all, she types the truth.
SS, time to come clean. Is your welfare check late? Food stamps cut back? WIC turned-down? I'm sure your payroll check is not a problem (since only those who work has taken a beating the first 2 months of the year).
So what gives? Why all the animosity?
Ivan,
You are completely wrong about the Constitution and ignorant of statutory law. The Constitution says that "bills of reevenue" must originate (be first introduced) in the House. By statute, the President is required to propose a budget to Congress by Feb. 22 each year (the fiscal year ends on Sept 30). That starts the budgetary procedure. Obama has not complied with this law yet.
A 'bill of revenue" is tax-creating legislation. It is not a budget.
Simple issue:
Republicons for the rich 1%.
Democrats for the middle class and poor.
Republicons for Citi Bank who had over 200 subsiderary accounts in the Caymen Islands which paid no taxes. Infact they received money from the taxpayers instead of paying taxes.
Republicons for welfare for the rich 1%.
Obama is white, y'all need to get over the skin color thing. Did Biden say people were racist because they don't like him either?
Just in, liberal media requires the sheep to bleat racism a minimum of 3 times a day, did you make your quota?
John,
You truly are a fruitloop! Jesus..."f with me"? Where in the h*ll did you grow up geezer? So what would you do if someone "f'ed" with your precious SS? Throw a tantrum? Pull out your automatic weapon? Wet yourself? Chase them with your oxygen tank? Do tell...I know the left is unbalanced, but you are whack-o extreme! Please do us a favor and never procreate...
hjack - when you are trying to debate with those they speak from emotion and not facts, it's not really a debate. It'a more like shooting fish in a barrel. They have no facts, so they have to try to belittle. That's all they have.
No, but it is one helluva lot more than the last departing Republican president, isn't it?
CBS News, Feb 11, 2009:
President Bush will leave office as one of the most unpopular departing presidents in history, according to a new CBS News/New York Times poll showing Mr. Bush's final approval rating at 22 percent.
So what kind of job did George W. Bush do, eh? And why in the hell do you think any Republican would do any better this time around?
Hendy,
So true... Great post!
Pat Boston-7793618: "James, Tea party members are racists. I would think you wouldn't want anything to do with them as an independent. And moderate republicans aren't fiscally responsible.
Obviously."
You, sir or madam, are a liar. With your broad brush you paint every person that associates themselves with the Tea Party as racist. So, here's one right up your alley, all persons that use the moniker Pat Boston are child molesters.
JK - I just call it as I see it. Thanks.
SeekingSanity @ 1.99:"...The voters for President Obama were more highly educated than the low information voters who pulled the lever for Romney. ..."
You know I see this "fact" pop up all the time from lefties. If that were the case, why do the vast majority of those on welfare vote for Democrats? If they're so smart why can't they figure out how to get and hold a decent paying job? If the Republicans are less intelligent why do you call them the party of the rich? By your logic all intelligent people are poor people that are not contributing to society and the less intelligent make all the money and run the country.
Really?
Did you even bother to look at the links I provided?
One of your
KKKtea party member are screaming for his assassination along with his children. Where is your POUTRAGE at calling for the killing of innocent kids?If "Obama" is white, why is your brethren calling him a @!$%#?
The sooner you all recognize and stop defending the rampant racism, the sooner this country will move forward...
Bottom line is, if ya'll weren't racists, you would be calling out those that are rather then making excuses!
Don't talk to be about HYPOCRISY, you bigot!
Dear feisty RED , You are such a great liar, I mean really!! I did goggle Tea party racism, And what do you know, Lots of studies saying yes and just as many saying no, So you of course only high light the negative ones because thats what you do! I'll give you credit you never let the truth get in the way of your own twisted agenda of a totally left wing utopia that will never exist or survive. On the brighter side, Hey did you hear the keystone pipe line has been approved? Awesome huh. Now run right out and go crap on a cop car and show them how you really feel!
hjack - the welfare nonsense if what shows how totally ignorant you are. Most everyone I know works and many do quite well. However, I don't begrudge those who are experiencing difficult times from getting assistance to help them through.
Again, your pitiable post shows how low you will stoop and how totally ignorant you are. Now, you're not worth the time it took to post this so bye! I've better ways to spend time.
Hendy329 - then clearly you see hjack is posting nothing as usual. And, as I read your pathetic posts I see you're probably related to he and JK - absolutely NOTHING to say and no facts or ideas to offer. Typical Republican - you know nothing but are eager to show everyone how little you know!
More BS from the left...try calling out your brethren like Black Panthers and Nation of Islam, then you MIGHT have an argument...
SS - You make me laugh. Thank you.
Fiesty @ 1.127, I seem to remember many references from the left about killing President Bush for 8 years. So please clean up your own backyard before casting stones. Further, the left has just as many racists as any other group.
OH NOES, selective learning is really NO way to go through life, Goober!
I mean "really", if I am so wrong, then why can't YOU provide any sources anything to bolster your *cough* opinion? Meh!
Not ME, you on the otherhand, sound like someone who knows what they're talking about! ;o)
Well darling, if you can "remember" then surely you can prove them! LMAO@U
Again, if YOU and others don't denounce it, it doesn't mean @!$%#! The "well he did it too crap" doesn't count!
WTF are you people in the 3rd grade?
Maybe if Congressmen spent more than 2 to 4 days a month actually in Congress things could get done. I wish I had a job where I got paid over $100K and worked less than 200 days a year.
Here lies the difference between you & I, when "my side" crosses the line, I call them out on it!
You & your ilk, excuse it, blame, whine & embrace your persecution complex...
The louder you defend it only verifies what YOU are guilty of!
I hope we are clear now!
Ohhh, You know vey well why I referenced that specific act! That one is right out of your "Occupy wall St" Play book, Own it! You said goggle it and I did dumb ass! THAT is where the sources are goggle it again and this time take your stupid glasses of and try to see the whole picture this time.
Pat from Boston. You can't reference an article written by a kos writer as proof of anything. That would be like me telling you something Rush Limbaugh said. The kos is not a news outlet, it is a political opinion operation and nothing more than that.
Oh, we are clear. You are a poor excuse for a human. You are a liar. Please point to one instance where you rebuked any Democrat or Democrat idea. You are the one that is over the top defending your side. You must be one this site 24/7/365 spewing your lies and hatred. You are the one playing the race card saying you and your comrades are being persecuted. You are the one here constantly bellowing out your disdain for any ideas that are in conflict with your idol's. You are the one that stoops to 3 year old name calling and innuendo.
So, yes, I believe we are clear.
Fiesty, I have read your dreadful posts for awhile on here. Never really take much away from what you write, other than you are a seriously misguided and/or mentally unstable individual.
You constantly use talking points you get from the kos or the huffington post. You don't even realize that those sites do not employ real journalists. What they do is get people to write opinion pieces and then fool people like you by passing them off as news.
Your rebuttals are absolute nonsense 90% of the time. What you write is not even true or fact, but your opinion. Yet you always try and pretend you know what you are talking about and try passing your own personal opinion off as fact. I'll refrain from a copy and paste session, but you know what you do, or maybe you don't. Most liberals are so conditioned to lie that they actually start believing the lies after awhile. You are a prime example of what is wrong with this country.
You are a legend in your own mind.
OH MY!
Did I hit a nerve? Why so angry Dick?
You on the otherhand, still don't recognize when YOU are up to your asshoele in quicksand, darling! lol
So, I DO thank you for playing... ;o)))
Redhead
Here lies the difference between you & I, when "my side" crosses the line, I call them out on it!
You & your ilk, excuse it, blame, whine & embrace your persecution complex...
The louder you defend it only verifies what YOU are guilty of!
I hope we are clear now!
Please...I've read many of your comments, and you don't say bad things about dems. All you are is a stuck up party-liner who keeps being rude to anyone who has a different opinion or speaks the truth. Your kind is a disease to any country.
Leave the commenting to the sane dems, repubs, etc., on this site.
I cannot believe the stupidity of the liberals today! They are all panting about taking more from the 1%ers and giving it to the "people"! The problem in todays' political situation is that there is not a battle between the 1% and the 99%, there is a battle between the 1% on the right and the 1% on the left! The 1% on the right made their money, as a rule, by creating business, thus creating jobs, thus creating tax revenue! The 1% on the left has made their money, as a rule, in government, by growing bureaucracy, by increasing taxes, and by paying themselves as much money as they can steal! I you really think that if the socialists in the Obama camp win and manage to have total control of this country that you are going to be one of the "intelligensia", you have better get a grip!
In history, when extreme socialists have gotten complete power they have taken from the people and left them with little to nothing! (Examples, the USSR, Mao Communist China, Cuba, Nazi Germany, etc....) All of these countries promised to take away from the haves and give to the have-nots! The only people who really benefitted were those in power! Learn from history or be bound to repeat it!
Party-liners wreck the country ....
For someone that is a re-reg and continues to get kicked off these boards, your words are not worth the read.
Why don't you leave the commenting to those of us who actually play by the rules, eh?
citizen-xx
Right on, citizen. I can't stand how the redhead continually posts opinions as fact. All I can say is the redhead is brainwashed.
Not really, I just like calling you a dumb ass. It just feels good. And yea I am simple. Soo anyway My work here is done for tonight. BTW I was kidding about crapping on a cop car, I hate to think of all the bad things that would happen to you in prison :)
Layton-3733410
Re-reg? Where? Happy to tell you I've never been kicked off the boards. I'm sorry that you are a party-liner who only wants to mislead the general public. Glad to also say I don't play by your destructive rules. Unlike you party-liners, I give credit to the people who are correct.
Party-liner, just remember that when the radical liberal argues he insults, dismisses you with as many lies as possible, then does his "superiority dance" and congratulates himself for being "the smartest person in the room"! You don't need to defend yourself from insults from morons! (Kind of like trying to herd cats).
NO YOU don't or you wouldn't of taken precious time out of your life to make such and outrageous, bull@!$%# statement. Again, I DO thank you for playing little buddy & we have some lovely parting gifts for YOU! LOL
Please, get back to me when you are Feisty worthy! ;o))))
NAH! Even though it's burns the few "pubes" you have left, I'll continue to speak my mind! Best part is, there isn't a DAMN thin YOU can do about it! LMFAO yet again!
So tell me Mr. Testosterone, what are YOU going to do about it, little man? ;o)))
“Listen, we’ve known about this for sixteen months,” Boehner told NBC’s David Gregory in an exclusive interview on Capitol Hill after the White House meeting. “And yet, even today there’s no plan from Senate Democrats or the White House to replace the sequester.”
Boehner just got tired of passing bills to address the 'sequester', only to have Obama and Reid criticize them, so he's decided to stop playing Obama's 'game'. He's telling the Democrats "You didn't like the 2 bills I passed, so let's see what YOU can come up with.
The problem now is that the Democrats don't have a plan, leaving us in limbo.
You certainly didn't hit any of my nerves. But it seems I hit yours. I notice you have no answers to my assertions, therefore you must agree with them. How many times have you used the adolescent "LOL", "thanks for playing, ";o)))", etc. I mean, really, are you a child or just mentally challenged? And how is it that I'm "up to my asshoele in quicksand, darling?" I'm not your darling and I doubt anyone is. By the way, your the Dick who's up to their asshoele in ignorance. Thanks for being an idiot, lol ;o))).
It is time for this TURD, Dirtbag, Fake and Conman Named Obama to eigther Resign, of face the wrath of Most of the American People, not the voices in his head, but the real American People, He needs to leave and leave now. For all you fools still Waiting on free crap, his excuse now is the Obama Sequester just took it all away. You stared it Bummer and You just LOST it. Your not the President
Redhead
Prove it then by posting some of your previous comments. I'd also like to see you try to write a comment without the added childish crap.
Hey Feisty! Great job! You were fighting a battle of wits and the guy came unarmed. Do the morons from the Tea Party not understand that Mr. Boehner (That is BOE pronounced 'bow' or 'bo' NER pronounced 'nur')has not realized that America has spoken and we want him to bring a proposal to the table that represents the will of the American people, not the will of the Koch brothers or the will of Lockheed. Mr. Boenhead just doesn't understand that he needs to come to the table with a proposal that has a chance of passing the Senate.
Feisty @ 1.148: My, my, my you certainly are pissed. Your name calling has risen exponentially. Whose nerves are being hit?
Here, just for you...lol, lmao, Please, :))))), thanks for playing!!!
How much more evidence to The People of the United States of America need as proof that both the Democratic and Republican parties actually work together to screw the American People? They only care about promoting wealth for the wealthy! They have stolen Our country and put on a good show to try and fool us, but if you look at everything they do, the laws they pass and they things they ignore, you would come to understand that they only care about themselves - the wealthy! They want to make cuts, cut $50,000 a year from Congressman's pay, that be nearly $27,000,000.00 a year in savings. Cut that 100% healthcare for Congress and the rest of the fat cats in Washington - they are all millionaires anyway, why do they need an 80 year old woman's tax money to pay for their healthcare? They tag-team us. They play good cop, bad cop on us. Both Republicans and Democrats thing their side is the good cop - but the reality is, both sides are the bad cop. They rob from the poor and give to the rich! If anyone is the Anti-Christ - it is all of our government leaders!
Boehner says president has NO PLAN TO REPLACE.
Obama is only interested in raising taxes on the wealthy, again, which will in turn allow him to continue his out of control spending.
He has refused to accept any proposal that doesn't meet his agenda.
Thanks to the GOP for standing up for what's right for the country.
Backhouse " GWB's job creation was abysmal and cannot hold a candle to the 6 million jobs created under President Obama."
REALLY???????? You are obviously fooled by Obama's rhetoric. Let's look at the record according to the official government Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS.gov)
Average number of jobs in 2000 (Clinton's last year) = 131,794,000.
Average number of jobs in 2008 (Bush's last year - including losses at end of year) = 136,794,500, for a GAIN of 5,000,500 jobs.
Average number of jobs in 2012 (Obama's 4th year) = 133,363,000, for a LOSS of 3,431,000 jobs.
Backhouse "POLITIFACT:"Using raw dollars, Obama did oversee the lowest annual increases in spending of any president in 60 years."
Politifact is biased left-wing source - they claim that Bush is responsible for the 'Stimulus' spending by Obama in 2009 - hardly a credible 'FACT'.
The main demand of democrats was that republicans accept some closing of loopholes to raise revenue. Is there any republicans posting here that believe there isn't one single loophole or subsidy that doesn't overly reward one group or another? Gentlemen farmers paid not to plant when there are shortages of corn, wheat and soybeans due to the drought? Subsidies for ethanol made from corn when corn supplies are so low cattlemen have to prematurely butcher cattle because they can't afford grain? Subsidies for big oil despite record profits? Few democrats oppose spending cuts to many programs. We oppose putting more hurt on average Americans so a wealthy few can prosper.
The real American people voted last election. Obama's approval ratings are higher now then at election time, Get ready for more disappointment the next four years and more yet after Hillary wins in 2016.
Roy Wilson: Lie, twist, distort is all you people have. They blame Bush for the 1.2 trillion budget for fiscal year 2009 because Bush passed it in 2008 before Obama was even elected. And they point out much of the stimulus passed by Bush in the ending months of 2008 were added to Obama's debt in 2009 because it wasn't spent in 2008. That's not blame that's simply a fact. Something you wouldn't recognize if it bit you in the ass. That's the problem with the tea party agenda, facts hurt.
Roy Wilson: Bush created a whole 5 million jobs in only 96 months as president? You must be proud as that works out to a liitle over 50,000 jobs a month. The lowest job creation record since Eisenhower despite over 3 trillion dollars in job creating tax cuts over eight years. Interesting you ignore jobs created and focus on job totals despite the lower number being because many of the 11 million Americans unemployed during the Bush meltdown under his budgets gave up looking. Spin, twist, lie. It didn't work last election but maybe in 2016, keep pitching.
Well it looks like Feisty Pam's electricity was shut off. Her idol signed the sequester into action and the cuts have begun. Now the blame game gets turned up a notch. Hey, Mr. President, if they were such dumb cuts why did you suggest them and then sign them into law? You could have vetoed it. Right.
So, whose fault is it?
OMG. First it was Fiesty, now we learn that Lil Michelle also hails from that bankrupt state of Illinois! There's probably a good chance that the rest of the liberal, brain dead, hate spewing, can't get over the Bush years cabal with names like Pigotry, Dennis, American Girl, et. al. live in the suburbs of Chicago, the home base of our Chief Community Organizer! Just remember, the names identified here are all part of a clandestine group that regularly meet on alternate websites to coordinate their maniacal ideology. I'm sure they do it just to upset those of us who still believe in the principals that founded this counrty because NOBODY could distort reality to such an extent so as to reach the conclusions that they do. Just ignore them and have a rational conversation with the unpaid bloggers on this site. With the amont of conservatives I see posting now, maybe those liberal morons will just go back to newsvine and Libs R Us websites. Just go away! Oh, and you're right Lil Michelle, majority does rule, and the republicans RETAINED the majority in Congress based on the last election, so they are obligated to follow their constituants desires!
My deepest apologies to Lil Michelle for using her name in my last post when I was actually referring the the (NOT) American Girl. Not to big to admit my mistakes unlike the rest of the liberal whack jobs on this site. Sorry again, Lil Michelle.
Wow, you people can spin the crap. Your the all inclusive party whose delegates at the last convention were throwing peanuts at a black woman reporter followed by racial slurs. Regardless of how you feel about policies on women, gays, immigration, the miitary or whatever any person of color who would join a party that the vast majority hate you simply for the color of your skin or place of birth is an idiot. Plain and simple.
Get Real 2011: According to polls you're mistaken. Even a poll by Fox shows the majority of Americans including the majority of republicans supported some tax increases on the wealthy. But Norquist said no. Is Norquist their only constituent?
http://www.fox11online.com/dpp/news/national/Poll-shows-support-for-raising-taxes-on-the-rich_45865295
It's time for those in Congress to do as they promised, which will no doubt "fix" the economy & budget, pass laws that will create quality US Jobs. Many, including many TP/GOP candidates ran on that promise.
Congress is making this matter overcomplicated. Simple fix, impose (or reimpose) tariffs on foriegn made goods, American corporations will bring their jobs back home. As an alternative, create heavy tax penalties on American corporations who employs more than 5% of their workforce overseas (that 5% being in sales). Problem solved, many empty factories will be reopened in no time.
It's totally unfair for American corporations to outsource their jobs to Asia, yet file for their huge tax refunds in the US. They wouldn't receive the same benefits relocating their headquarters to Asia, it's a simple matter of creating laws to reward those who create American jobs & severely punish those who outsources them. Congress should easily see this.
Fact is what it is, we need more revenue to keep the country going. Americans with quality, secure jobs will take care of this issue w/o raising taxes on anyone. There's tens of thousands of empty factories all across the US, as well as almost totally abandoned cities that's in great need of jobs. All that Congress needs to do is act.
What is it about Congress that cannot see that we're on the wrong track when it comes to looking out after our own? By doing so, many issues will solve themselves.
And while I'm here, how is having military personell stationed all over the globe keeping the US safe? We proved when we helped to liberate Libya that we don't need to send hundereds of thousands of troops, risking their lives for political reasons, when we can accomplish the same with drones in a fraction of the time w/no lives lost. We don't need a mass military buildup everywhere, if anywhere, we need them policing our borders & crime ridden cities.
On a last note, as long as there are American families hungry & homeless, we don't need to be sending any foreign aid packages anywhere. That aid is paid for by the US taxpayers, as well as some US donors, that aid needs to be distributed to Americans first. We are in no position to be dropping aid packages all over the world when it's needed at home.
And probably the total cost of that foreign aid is very close to the 85 Billion needed to end this sequester. That & the wasteful defense spending in the Middle East (which doesn't benefit the US in the least) likely is well over that amount.
In closing, it's time for Congress to Put America First! By doing so, most of our issues would be solved in a very short time.
However, I'm sure that's just too simple for Congress to understand.
If it sounds as though I'm Pro American, it's because I am.
Cat
Uh, what? I could make no sense out of this. Must be someone drunk posting.
I almost feel sorry for Crying Speaker Tan Man. He's in so far over his head he doesn't know if should wind his butt or wipe his watch. However - he invited these tea bag fools into their tent in 2010 and now he has to live with them and watch them destroy the Republican Party.
Larry-367607 "Politifact is biased left-wing source - they claim that Bush is responsible for the 'Stimulus' spending by Obama in 2009 - hardly a credible 'FACT'..............Roy Wilson: Lie, twist, distort is all you people have. They blame Bush for the 1.2 trillion budget for fiscal year 2009 because Bush passed it in 2008 before Obama was even elected."
NONSENSE. The Democratic Congress refused to give Bush a Budget for 2009 to sign or veto, so Bush only signed a Continuing Resolution authorizing spending for fiscal 2009 AT THE SAME LEVEL AS IN 2008. Here's the proof;
https://www.aamc.org/advocacy/washhigh/highlights2008/159056/president_signs_spending_bill.html
www.chieftain.com/news/local/bush-signs-budget/article_0d64329f-0c6f..
The $535 Billion increase (+18%) in spending for 2009 was authorized by Obama in early March after he signed his $860 Billion 'stimulus' bill and his $411 Billion 'porkulus' bill.
Stop the nonsense of trying to 'Blame Bush' for Obama's big spending spree.
OK, so I ask you geniuses again, exactly what is President obama campaigning for? If any one is campaigning, it Boehner and his crew of obstructionists, after all, it it THEM who keeps running for office for 5-1-15 terms.
Damn some of you people are stupid and do nothing but listen to your handlers, Limbaugh, Hannity, Beck, and now I see you'll beginning to quote the other idiot, Van Susteren!
President Obama campaigning! How ignorant can you get.
OK, so what now, seems like Boehner and his crew had planes to catch for another vacation? Is that what's going on?
Larry-367607 "Roy Wilson: Bush created a whole 5 million jobs in only 96 months as president? You must be proud as that works out to a liitle over 50,000 jobs a month"
And 'You must be proud of the 3,431,000 average jobs LOST in only 48 months under Obama as president'????? That works out to 71,000 jobs LOST a month.
Keep in mind that Bush also had to deal with a crisis - 9/11, which resulted in 1,964,000 jobs lost in the following 24 months.
Once the economy started turning around after the job losses from 911, a total of 8,123,000 net new jobs were created under Bush in 52 months - an average of 152,000 jobs per month.
And you don't EVEN want to try to compare economic growth (GDP) under Bush (about 6% per year) with Obama (about 2% per year) - remember, the 'great recession' ended only 5 months after Obama took office. Normally we see dramatic growth after a recession ends, but it has been very anemic under Obama - I wonder if the record number of new regulations, moratoriums and tax/cost increases on businesses has something to do with that?
PS - You'll notice that I said jobs created or lost UNDER Bush and Obama - a President doesn't 'create' or 'lose' jobs - they only help create a business climate that encourages or discourages business/job growth.
Boehner is a Boner.
Greg Shep..you are correct in part..but for the senate to vote on anything compromises are suppose to become a part of any bills to be considered..not just one way deals that the republicans have pushed for Obama's whole time in office. Our problems come from one party controling what is or is not passed in either the house or the senate. Threats by controling members of the republican party ( the tea party group) to its own members have stopped compromise in its tracks.
Boehner had a plan but it failed last November. Now Boehner has nothing because he is a one plan man.
It all boils down to that we the people keep putting the same sellouts back in office so we the people are our own worst enemy. I believe in workfare over welfare but as long as the USA keeps rewarding people for going to foreign countries for slave labor and the freedom to pollute their heart out people will keep losing their jobs and then there will be no one left to buy the goods, services or pay taxes. Greed is like cancer eventually it kills the whole organism. That's why I voted for independents, Democrat and Republican two sides of the same hand sold out. People say I wasted my vote but at least I voted my heart and didn't put either sell out in office. Stocks will be a poor choice as long as CEO's and insiders are allowed to take massive stock options, salaries, bonuses and golden parachutes all while they run the company into the ground leaving the workers and stock holders holding the bag. Insurance has become a big Ponzi scheme, it allows an industry to charge more for services then the market would allow. It is based on people paying far more into the system then they will ever get out of it while others take sweet profits from that pay while cutting services to those who paid for them. America anymore is now controlled by industrialized elitist that only care about profit not who lives or dies. The public is just as greedy and corrupt as the companies, that's why it goes on and that's why we continue to elect the same sellouts back in office. The whole idea of the trickle down theory was give tax breaks to the rich so that they would create jobs in the US and those jobs would widen the tax base so everyone wins. The people of the US are being played, now graft and corruption is the rule instead of decency and fair play. I don't understand what is so hard about rewarding people for investing in the US and taxing the hell out of them for not. There was a reason we had tariffs, Ross Perot warned of the big sucking sound with free trade agreements while our so called leaders promised prosperity for all. If you invest in jobs in the US the government makes more money to give you tax breaks and if you invest outside the US but want the comforts and security of the US you should pay more. You can't compete with countries that allow slave labor and the freedom to cut costs by not having any regulations. Instead of moving forward our so called leaders are taking us backwards to the days of slave labor, child labor, unsafe working conditions, products and pollution so that a select few can make massive profits while the majority suffer.If we don't have a mass exodus of incumbents at the next election we deserve everything we get.
“The fact that we are here today to debate raising America’s debt limit is a sign of leadership failure.
It is a sign that the U.S. government can’t pay its own bills. ...
I therefore intend to oppose the effort to increase America’s debt limit.”
— Then-Sen. Barack Obama, floor speech in the Senate, March 16, 2006
The Budget Control Act of 2011 (Pub.L. 112–25, S. 365, 125 Stat. 240,
enacted August 2, 2011) is a federal statute in the United States that was signed into law by
President Barack Obama on August 2, 2011.
The Act brought conclusion to the 2011 United States debt-ceiling crisis,
which had threatened to lead the United States into sovereign default on or about August 3, 2011
Meanwhile, Detroit going bancrupt, will have a state of emergency declared. I wonder how Detroit voted this past presidential election...
If this goes through as expected, it will be the LARGEST bancruptcy in the US of A.
lil m,
The people of Detroit will no longer have a vote. They will be ruled by a manager appointed by the governor.
Yes, I read that. It is a sad day for the Motor City.
They deserve to go bankrupt....they trusted and voted for Obama and he left them high and dry.
Chris RS - you and "lil" added together wouldn't make ONE Rhodes scholar . . .
This move on Detroit is being done for power & purely political reasons - not to fix anything, or make ANYTHING better - - - the purpose of it is to disenfranchise minority voters..
MI passed an "emergency manager's" bill - the people of MI totally rejected it - saw it for what it is, a total power grab - - - and they passed a referendum, by a wide margin, to repeal it.
Then The ReThuglican Gov very quickly got the same law put back in place, and fixed it so it couldn't be repealed by referendum again, by We The People.
He has already taken over a number of smaller towns. now that he is taken over Detroit, ~50% of MI's minority voters (mostly Dem's - what a coincidence) have been DISENFRANCHISED.
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IT IS A POWER-GRAB, BY A TYRANT. . . .
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SO, if you think he did the right thing, Chris-Intellectually-Bankrupt, then I guess it makes sense to you & people who "think" like you do, that anyone who votes for a DEM "deserves to go bankrupt." You probably voted for Myth Robme . . . looks like he left YOU "high & dry," and sorely lacking in education. My sympathies. You can still try to go back to school, though - a GED is better than nothing!
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Maybe the Founding Father's were right - that totally ignorant people who don't bother to get enough education to understand what's going on shouldn't be allowed to vote. That would take out almost all the Tea Baggers, and make this a better country really quickly.
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FORWARD! :-)
It is sad that Detroit got into the posistion they were in. Blame big government.
You see, while the city population dwindled, the size of government grew.
Any Rhodes Scholar can see that problem in the making, yet they did nothing to fix it. Just more government waste...
If it wasn't for President Obama Detriot would of been bankrupt four years ago.
and 4 years closer to recovery
The Democrats and the unions have been running Detroit since 1962. You want proof that progressive policies are not sustainable? Look at Detroit.
KC_NC,
Thanks for the facts about the onerous law in MI.
Has anyone attemped to take this law to the courts?
It seems unconstitiutional to me.
JT-re-reg, if it were not for the Unions you profess to loath so much, you would not be looking forward to Sat & Sunday off, this weekend, because we didn't HAVE weekends off til the Unions fought for them . . . along with the 40-hour work week.
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Educate yourself - Good ole Ben Franklin invented the Public Library for us!! (or do you consider that another source of "big government wasteful spending"???) Don't just take the ideological crap at face value -- READ! a mind is a terrible thing to waste - even (or maybe especially) for the small-minded!
Here is a good one to start with:
"They're Bankrupting Us!": And 20 Other Myths about Unions"
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Labor Unions have done more for this country than any Tea Bagger/ReThuglican will ever admit.
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FORWARD! :-)
KC_NC, If I could vote your comment at 2.4 up over and over, I would. Well stated and thank you for the facts. lm is all innuendo and never bothers to fact check anything. I think it gets talking points from the tabloids at the grocery store.
KC: More drivel with dredging up benefits of labor unions ... THREE generations ago! How about citing something since FDR was in office.
Let's be clear: the Republicans are going through with sequester cuts impacting Defense, medical research, airport security and food safety, because closing a few tax loopholes for the wealthiest would be too painful. For private equity managers.
KC,
I've seen it first hand. I worked in a factory in Detroit in the 1970's. Saw union members sleeping in the locker room for half their shift because it only took 4 hours to make their quota. Saw union members threaten the younger guys for working too hard, afraid the work standards would get changed.
The company built a new plant in Oklahoma and moved the work there where there were no unions. The plant in Detroit is a vacant lot now. Thank you labor union.
And BTW, I don't take Saturday and Sunday off. I'm running my own business and despite all the "help" I get from the government, it still takes every effort to make it successful.
The President is no push-over, as Mitch McChicken has believed. We the People have backed the President up again & again. If your GOP leaders don't behave, the voters will punish you again in November 2014 & 2016.
Thanks, Layton . . . I get soooo frustrated that people take the ideology of either party and don't read anything, don't THINK about what they're being sold. The internet is both the good news & the bad news, IMHO . . . there is sooo much information, but people have to evaluate what they see, and not assume that the only thing that's true is what they want to hear.
On the whole, I think Progressives do a better job of presenting the facts honestly . . . BUT, I don't think they do it very THOROUGHLY . . . I think the righties are better at pounding their messages home . . . repeat a lie over & over & over, & people start to believe it.
To me, a perfect example is the whole argument about deficit & spending cuts . . . please see what I wrote @ 1.11 . . .
The only way this whole diatribe about spending cuts makes any sense is if you look at it through the frame of what Norquist has said (about shrinking government). He & his ilk want to reduce gov because that's the way wealthy people make the most $$ - cut taxes & regulation to the bone; their profits & wealth increase, and then they can BUY the services the rest of us depend on gov to supply (basically).
So, you end up with . . . what? (LOL) 47% of Americans thinking that "shrink the gov" is ood economic policy for them . . . when it is definitely NOT. But they have been sold the bill of goods, and all too often, end up voting against their own self-interests.
It really bothers me a lot.
thanks again - enjoy your weekend!
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FORWARD! :-)
Dear Pigotry: Happy Pig Day! May your snout ALWAYS find the truffles!!!
Detroit is the result of years of Michigan state government being run by republicans, factories closed, people moved away, etc, etc, etc. Republicans are the reason this whole country is going into the dump. Conservatives are some of the most irresponsible people in this country and have caused the breakdown in government called the sequester.
TO: Lil Michelle who wrote:
Lil, everyone knows that Republicans caused the 2nd Great Depression, and everyone knows that Republicans are stalling our Economic Recovery.
So, if Republicans even had the smallest clue as to how to reverse all the damage they did, they why aren't they doing it now?
KC_NC, I have ask over and over for these hair brained conservatives to name one country with a small government that is successful. It seems no one can.
Johntho:
Michigan has entrenched issues that go back decades, if not longer. Plenty of blame for both parties and the union infrastructure, as well as dependence on poorly run auto industries.
Actually, the Netherlands is a pretty small country and government. Of course that wouldn't scale well. Republicans alone didn't cause the crash in 2008. Again, there's plenty of blame on both parties going back to the fact that the SS trust fund was allowed to be raided in the 70's.
Finally, the sequester is not the breakdown of anything. It represents a 3% reduction in the planned INCREASE of spending. The total sequester amount is only .85 of a single month's deficit spending. Less than 1 month's "in the hole" spending - total. It's a drop in the overall bucket, but it's a step. We need the ratio of GDP to spending to drop back to Clinton era 18-19% range, if we are to return to economic growth.
It will take a revenue hike via taxes returning to the pre-Bush/Obama tax cuts across the board and then careful regulation of the ACA and an alignment of Medicare with a delayed SS retirement that better fits the historical and actuarial norm at the time it was introduced. Back then, people averaged less than 7 years of life after retirement. Now it's double digit and with medical technologies continued improvement it could easily be 20+ years.
The SS system can't sustain that (at the current and expected benefit rate), so the retirement age must be raised. And with ACA supplying the safety net, Medicare should start at retirement. If we really get crazy, we could do means testing for benefits, but that gets people nuts, because they pay into. IN that case, I say give them the principal back as a lump sum payment, if they make too much to collect SS benefits. That way they get back what they themselves paid in (no interest).
You wanted a plan. It's forward thinking, takes into account actual issues that face us, allows ACA to become the healthcare program the president wanted, allows everyone to help set the country straight again (shared sacrifice is a great American tradition), and doesn't saddle our children with unsustainable interest that swamps them and kills their future. If we did these very simple things (with grandfathering of a certain age group), we'd literally solve the budget issue in less than 20 years.
Johntho;
I have asked time and time again for you libbies to name one successful country at all.
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Detroit is the result of years of Union scum milking the public for their own benefit.
Does any one else smell swine?
Got to call bovine excrement on you Greg, Unions had nothing to do with the failure of Detroit, Michigan has had a republican Senate since the 1980's and republican governors for all but 8 years of that time. The democrats have nothing to do with it, they never had control of the government.
The Netherlands are a socialist country, how can you call the government small? I'm not going to get into how wrong you are about the rest other then to say keep your right wing hands off of my S.S. and I mean it. You are wrong about the amount of debt and how sequester will effect it. We do not have a spending problem, we have a revenue problem because you irresponsible rich guys don't want to pay your fair share of supporting our country.
Hey stupid republcon, you tea bag traitor, there are several countries that more are successful then the U.S, All have big governments. Canada has done a good job through the years. France, Germany, all the Northern European countries. You are full of it about Unions. Unions are working people obviously you never worked.
And you should be so proud of yourself, cutting working peoples pay so some rich ass like Snyder can make even more millions from saps like you. Jennifer Granholm didn't have any support from @!$%# republicans like you, its almost like Obama, only because she was a woman the republicans hated her. Snyder has raised taxes on me, and now he is coming for you. I hope you are happy, stupid.
Argue away people...and let the budget cuts begin...and never cease
Jontho - Wah Wah Wah. You want something in life, you work hard and get what you can. Quit your friggen crying. Need a tissue?
Northstar, the law is legal and legitimate, and was signed into law by Liberal Democratic Governor Jennifer Granholm. It was also voted on by the Michigan voter and the voter approved the Managers.
Here is how it works. whatever government entity that is in financial trouble is given a set amount of time (Months or years, not days or weeks) to get their budgets in order and get out of the red. After that time they are assessed by an outside, nongovernmental adviser. That adviser makes a recommendation t the state whether or not the troubled local government can pull out of the trouble on its own. If they cannot, a Manager is put in place to make make decisions on spending only. The local elected officials still run things, but they must get spending approved. These elected officials are in charge of everything but the checkbook.
And Johntho, the unemployment rates in most of the EU countries are much higher than in the U.S.! Is this another "benefit" of moving into the socialist direction that Obama wants us to take! There are many countries in the EU which have had zero or negative growth in their economy. I guess this gives people more time off, huh! It is amazing to see libs actually think that massive socialism is a GOOD thing!
And Johntho, It really gets a bit tedious when you libs call anyone who does not think EXACTLY the same as you do a "traitor"! I prefer to call people in this country who have differing views "Americans"! Maybe you can start thinking this way, but, I really think that thinking is not your strong point!
Hell Dummies, wake up this was Obamas plan fom the beginning, your screwed Detroit Obama aint helpon anybody But ItsNotMFault-Obama!!!! LOL Told ya sooooooooooo hhaaaaaaaaaaahaaaaaaaaaaLOL!
People of Michigan keep on voting for the liberal trash. Obama is a LIAR . . . he says he will work with the GOP and then he breaks his promises. This was to be a global deal . . . Raise Taxes and Cut Spending but Obama forgot about the last part of his pledge. F him. The cuts that were made are NOT GOING TO HURT our economy as the cuts go directly to the Democrats favorite past time . . . spending money on people that can't help the economy. Like giving money to winos.
Cut to entertainment . . . Blue Angles. Government jobs that pay huge bucks paid by the Pentagon will absorb half of these cuts. F them too.
Civilian workers to furloughs and defense contractors which all have been bulking this country for too long.
Chuck Hagel's special interest groups need to go home.
No More Free Housing: Good. The only people that get it are Mexicans . . . oh really am I wrong, then try being white and asking for housing vouchers.
No more special education . . . namely English is a Second Language . . . F the teacher unions . . . let the layoffs begin.
Our nation's parks??? Really. When was the last time that a working class guy has had the luxuary to vacation at Yellow Stone? F them too.
PIG AND Feisty Redhead Roselle, IL CAN GO TO HELL.
Our idiot of a President can't even get the mind meld right . . . Not a Jedi thing dum dum. He says that much of the budget savings will come through unpaid furloughs for government workers, and those won't begin taking effect until next month. . . Good Start it Right Now !!
This idiot wasted 4 years in office and his great "Hope" speach turns out to be a bunch of bull!!!
What has he done to turn the Economy around?
Despite 4 years trying to sell this stupidly Obama won and by a margin of better than 2 to 1 Americans including republicans knew Bush was most responsible for our debt.
Fact: The 2009 fiscal year budget was passed by Bush before Obama was even elected with a 1.2 trillion deficit which brought total debt under Bush budgets to 12.1 trillion from 5.7 trillion an increase of 6.4 trillion.
Fact: Millions lost jobs the last six months of his presidency and millions more while still under his budget hitting over 10%.
Fact: Millions faced foreclosures and banks faced collapse after 8 years under his leadership. The worst financial crisis since 1929.
Fact: Trillion dollar deficits were projected by the CBO before the elections, whoever won due to the meltdown, loss of 500 billion a year in tax revenues, stimulus plans proposed by both parties and the 10 million plus newly unemployed eligible for benefits. Not new benefits from Obama as suggested by the right but benefits available who ever was elected.
Fact: Bush assumed office with a projected surplus of 400 billion his first year. He spent the extra with his tax cut and turned that surplus into a defict never looking back.
Fact: Bush assumed office with a 4.2% unemployment rate and left it at 7.9% for Obama, hitting 10% while still under Bush's last budget.
Fact: The Ryan budget plan drawn up last spring wouldn't have cut a dime in spending over the next 10 years and didn't propose balancing the budget for almost 30 years using optomistic forecasts. Bashing Obama only works if your party offers a better plan. It doesn't as explained in this Forbes article. A conservative site.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/beltway/2012/08/14/paul-ryans-real-goal-its-not-a-balanced-budget/
Detroit was falling long before President Obama was a Senator, that one can't be put on him. However it can be placed on Reagan & his "global economy" ideas that left many, as in millions of Americans, jobless.
The removal of tariffs on foreign goods contributed heavily to today's employment status not only in Detroit, but also all across America. In the South, tens of thousands of once booming textile factories are now standing empty due to the same reason.
Simple fix, reimpose tariffs, our economy will heal itself.
All of this other talk, it's just each side jockeying for position. What it's time for, is the JOBS that the parties of all sides promised us. Many GOP/TP candidates ran on this promise. The fix is easy.
Or is the tariff that can rebuild America another "forbidden" tax?
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Detroit has been sliding down hill for the last 30 years-- through both Democratic and Republican administrations. President Obama probably propped them up a little bit. When I read comments like "I wonder how Detroit voted this past presidential election" my first thought is --- why is it so many Americans have such a shallow and simplistic understanding of so many complex problems.
"Despite 4 years trying to sell this stupidly Obama won and by a margin of better than 2 to 1 Americans including republicans knew Bush was most responsible for our debt."
President Obama has introduced less new federal spending (adjusted for inflation) than any President since Eisenhower. The current deficits are caused by spending that was on the books long before he was even in the Senate, the Bush tax cuts which way too many Democrats supported, and the Bush recession.
This idea that President Obama is some kind of big spender is simply false.
Your wasting your time Charlie, the stupid party people will never reconsider their positions. Just as only very few people can break out of cults once the brainwashing is complete. I'm just glad that their future looks dimmer and dimmer by the day.
There can be no doubt as to the priorities of the parties, nor about who those priorities benefit and thereby who is being irresponsible while serving only "the money", their strong supporters and masters, and their own politics, without any concern or conscience for the people. The polls have clearly indicated that the people, the majority actually find no fault with some revenue increases along with responsible cuts in spending, in other words they support the presidents plan, yet the Republicans stubbornly and belligerently hold out to protect the priorities favoring only "the money". The Democrats leave plenty of room for improvement but what we have consistently seen over the last near thirteen years, is that the Republicans are owned and controlled by "the money" and together, with the power, influence and mega-bucks provided, they think they can arrogantly focus on their self-serving politics and just con the people and manipulate public opinion. It is totally disgusting and very costly for the majority.
I support tax increases too! I mean, I'm paying the increases imposed by Obama starting Jan 1, for fear of a "drone" visit...
The polls have clearly indicated that the people, the majority actually find no fault with some revenue increases along with responsible cuts in spending,
And we got $650 billion in revenue increases in January. Now its time for spending cuts.
Because the rhetoric of the administration always points to the evil rich and that is the only place that is in anyone's mind. How many of those same people do you think would agree if it was going to hit them no matter how large or small the pain inflicted would be. The majority of Americans aren't in the top 10% and see it as "someone else gets to pay, not me" and that is all it is. They bitch about the Bush tax cuts and how it hurt yet ALL Americans benefitted from those cuts. Not just the rich. Take everyone's back (including those on the low end who get back what they do pay and then some) and listen to the screaming. It's all bu!!sh!t!!!
Botttom line, we HAVE to stop spending money we do not have...period.
"Freaks & Geeks" was good as a TV show.
As a political party and its minions?... Not so much.
Some people just say "Yes Mistress, may I have another?" when beaten by their handlers... It's the "Merkin way!
The saddest thing to me is....the very DEEP RED states, those at the heart of "Conservative" values.... will be hurt to a far larger extent than States who pay more in Federal Income Tax than they receive in benefits. The state economies in Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama and others, where the state's economy does not generate enough revenue to sustain them....those will be hurt the worst. New York, California, Texas, Pennsylvania, Illinois...will fare better. I am afraid the Conservatives have metaphorically slit their own wrists.
RGiles:
That's not entirely factual. The majority of people do believe that a balanced approach of revenue and cuts are necessary. So on approach, about 53% agree with the President. But to say that American's agree and support the President's chosen version of the ratios, concentrations, or application of the means to achieve those two objectives, is simply not the case.
Thinking people disagree about how to raise the revenues and how cuts are to be applied. To say anything different is a gross oversimplification or misstatement of the facts.
BTW: I believe the last statistic I saw regarding Presidential campaign funding, the Banking Industry contributed the same or more to President Obama's campaign (along with unions and a fair share of liberal PAC money, he vociferously complained about in 2008). Corporations and PAC's were leaders on the other side. Politics is HUGE money, whomever you support. You can't take an us versus them approach any longer, because it just doesn't hold up when scrutinized factually.
I am afraid the Democrats have metaphorically slit their own wrist, since the sequester was all their idea, although the reality is that the sequester is completely blown out of proportion by greedy democrats that can not stand to see a penny of their precious spending reduced from the bloated federal budget.
republican062578 - oh you sad little person. Denying the truth. But, go ahead since it clearly make you feel better. See, we all know the truth - just not the lie you've posted!
Oh, that's funny! Funny a majority of Republicans voted for it!
But then, they though they were gonna make Obama a 1-term president and be working from a position of strength so they could change it all they want. When that didn't happen, well, blame Obama! Hahahaha!
Too late now, turkeys! Enjoy the pain!
EEngineer, you seem to forget that Obama was a big proponent of the sequester when it came out! I guess he was for it before he was against it! (Isn't that the definition of a "flip-flop"?!)
"I'm paying the increases imposed by Obama starting Jan 1,"
Another low information ditto-head. Presidents do not IMPOSE taxes. Congress passes tax laws. And for the record Lil Michelle, I highly doubt you make anything near $400,000 per year. If your take-home pay dropped a little, it's probably because the reduction in your FICA taxes went up -- a tax decrease President Obama favored but the Republicans in Congress wanted to end.
The Weeper of the House has a point. Hes gonna get his entitlement cuts one way or another. In the long run hes looking squarely at the bottom line. Hes willing to sacrafice himself to slow spending. I get it...
Everyone wins with no deal.
Gary,
Social security and Medicare are not part of the sequester cuts.
don't give in to the lies and bull of this weak obama lib who is only helping all the bums that wont work and pay no taxes live for free free .obama phones free food stamps free rent cable heat a.c so get to work and give a few hours more the bums are in need .
Gary, once again a liberal conveniently forgets that Obama was a SUPPORTER of the sequester! Now he is against it, HUH?! Flip/flop/flip/flop/flip/flop/flip/flop! I could go on for days describing the "Flip/flopper of the U.S.!
Dan M: Try reading U.S. history. When capitalism was allowed to run unchecked by regulation, no taxes were imposed on the wealthy and no protections for workers we had cities surrounded by shanties, average wages of $1 a day, no benefits, workers of many years missing 1 day of work for illness forced to wait at the back of the line for a job and workers killed every day with no safeguards and no compensation for families when killed. That's what caused the rising of unions. If those days come again because people like you wish it the results will be the same. A hand full of people can't enslave a nation.
Obama believed republicans would prefer targeted cuts and elimination of a few special breaks Romney had already conceded should be ended over sequestration that hit the military, a republican priority very hard. Apparently not. But keep spinning your non sense. I'm sure it'll work as well next election as the last.
And some famous lines from our beloved 1/2 white POS.
“The fact that we are here today to debate raising America’s debt limit is a sign of leadership failure.
It is a sign that the U.S. government can’t pay its own bills. ...
I therefore intend to oppose the effort to increase America’s debt limit.”
— Then-Sen. Barack Obama, floor speech in the Senate, March 16, 2006
The Budget Control Act of 2011 (Pub.L. 112–25, S. 365, 125 Stat. 240,
enacted August 2, 2011) is a federal statute in the United States that was signed into law by
President Barack Obama on August 2, 2011.
The Act brought conclusion to the 2011 United States debt-ceiling crisis,
which had threatened to lead the United States into sovereign default on or about August 3, 2011
The only plan obamna and his demcrap minions have is more taxes. the concept of cutting back spending is foreign to them
Reagan raised taxes 11 times... GHWB and WJC enjoyed those benefits.
MLH, you are incorrect - Use The Google - it's really easy!
When President Obama took office, the debt was 10% of GDP; now it's down to 5% of GDP - he HAS cut spending. He's cut spending by 2.4 TRILLION. Really - just look it up.
What he's asking for now is what BOTH Boehner & Myth Robme offered - revenue increases to the same degree as the cuts he's already made: both of them ADVOCATED for closing tax loopholes . . . like usual, as soon as Mr Obama agreed, they backed down.
Boehner should keep his word.
TAXES WOULD STILL BE LOWER THAN THEY WERE DURING THE CLINTON ADMIN.
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Your not that bright? What does GDP have to do with government spending?
You misspelled "your"... while accusing someone else of not being bright... Braniac.
Is that the final word republican?
(1) work on grammar, first, honey: it's "you're" this time, not "your" - "your" is a possessive pronoun indicating ownership, which "you are" is a contraction combing the subject with the verb.
(2) actually, I kind of am. . . I have a BA from a really good U; a JD, from a very well-respected law school, was on law review & am published. . . . OH, almost forgot . . . then I did a Master's in Public Policy (just the course work; never got my thesis finished;) then I got a full scholarship to study for an advanced law degree at the U of London - yeah, the one in the UK. So, actually most people who know me think I am kinda bright. :-)
(3) substantively - to answer your specific question, one of the best ways to measure gov spending is as a percentage of GDP, so you can adjust for inflation (i.e, see, you can't buy as much now as you could during the Clinton admin with the same dollar.) so, you use a comparison between government spending & GDP to get a more accurate picture.
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oopps, in #1, where it says "which," it should have been "while" - typing too fast. LOL :-)
Here is something for your fancy BA; looks like its gone up.
Government spending as percentage of GDP
Dec. 31, 2012
23.80%
Sept. 30, 2012
23.78%
June 30, 2012
24.22%
March 31, 2012
24.06%
Dec. 31, 2011
24.26%
Sept. 30, 2011
24.69%
June 30, 2011
25.53%
March 31, 2011
25.23%
Dec. 31, 2010
25.49%
Sept. 30, 2010
25.59%
June 30, 2010
25.57%
March 31, 2010
25.52%
Dec. 31, 2009
25.09%
Sept. 30, 2009
25.27%
June 30, 2009
25.36%
March 31, 2009
23.20%
Dec. 31, 2008
22.15%
Sept. 30, 2008
21.82%
June 30, 2008
22.02%
March 31, 2008
21.22%
KC:
I'd be interested in knowing where you found those numbers. current estimates are that Gross US debt is at 110%, where gross US debt was 102.9% in 2011. Where you are getting 5% or even 10% is beyond me...
Wow, I didn't know you could cut your spending but you debt would still increase at the same time! Thanks for re-teaching me basic math, I must have been wrong all these years!
KC_NC, I wouldn't wipe my butt with a BA. I've got three BS degrees from MIT, an MBA from Harvard, 6 graduate degrees from Cambridge (the one in England), an MD with residency served at Johns Hopkins, a boaters license from Mrs. Puffs School of Boating, and an honorary certificate from the Star Fleet Academy. People think I'm bright, too.
Shirley, we're talking about the deficit, NOT the debt. They are two different things although one adds to the other.
Annualized growth of federal (government) spending by president: Reagan, 13.6%; Bush 41, 5.4%; Clinton, 7.1%; Bush 43, 15.9%; Obama, 1.4%. Those are the real numbers which means that it is the GOP wins the increased government spending game 34.9% to 8.5%.
Mea culpa - I used "debt" when I should have used "deficit" . . . this is just from Wiki - I found something better at a US Gov website, but can't get the URL to paste in - IDKW.
"CBO's preliminary estimate of the 2012 'total budget' deficit was $1.090 trillion, down $207 billion versus 2011. The 2012 deficit was 7.0% GDP, down from 8.7% GDP in 2011. The fiscal year 2011 "total budget" deficit was $1.296 trillion or 8.7% GDP, similar to the $1.294 trillion or 9.0% GDP in 2010. "
ALSO:
". . . budget rules have changed from FY2009 onward, with ****spending for the Iraq & Afghanistan wars and stimulus measures now included in the deficit computation. Approximately $1 trillion was added to the national debt in FY2008, considerably higher than the deficit reported in that year."
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When they tell you that Pres. Obama has "blown a hole in the budget with his spending," you have to keep in mind that GWB refused to allow the cost of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan to be counted as part of the debt/deficit . . . . nor was his (GWB's) stimulus (which was MUCH larger than Obama's) counted in either . . . that's the PRIMARY REASON THE DEBT IS SO HIGH . . . plus, of course, the fact that the economy was tanking when he took office.
It's not partisan; it's not a 'blame game;' It's simply factual.
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Yes, it is still Bush's fault, for libbies he will be president forever. No responsibility for their own party's actions.
But, but, but look at all the 'stuff' the libs got from Oblama.
Republican....: See, I KNEW you'd figure it out in the end!!! Yes, a lot of what we're going through now is totally due to the Bush Administration. It's just too bad that the Republicans refuse to admit that this was the beginning of all our current economic problems!!
By the way, I'm not a liberal....who are you going to blame it on now?
Didi;
If it quakes like a duck it is probably a duck? Your probably some government employee that's afraid of loosing their lame do nothing job with excellent perks, benefits and pension. Or maybe you think some one is trying to steal your social security, I surely don't know what makes lefty lib's only see one side of the picture. But I do no one thing; its time to trim some lib government fat. If that means not raising taxes on the rich "again" or if it means chopping the federal governments budget; fat is unhealthy as I am sure you are aware of by the looks of your picture.
KC_NC,
I don't know where you're getting your information or what type of fuzzy math you are doing but our debt to GDP percentage is over 100% and has been for quite some time. Japan's debt to GDP ratio is even worse except that they actually have a manufacturing base. That means that our debt load has surpassed our economic output. In even simpler terms that means having a $62,000 student loan and only making $8 an hour at Mcdonald's in an attempt to tackle your debt. Knowing this, there is no way that Obama has reduced our deficit as the disparity between debt to GDP has continued to widen.
You can find real time debt stats at:
why both parties try to blame each other? sequester is good thing, if people can't agree, let nature run its course. Bottom line is that we need to cut spending which is borrowing money, it will not only help country in long run but also help government learn "efficiency"
KC, when someone constantly tells everyone to move "forward" I have a tendancy to look behind and cover my own a$$! Just sayin'!
"Yes, it is still Bush's fault, for libbies he will be president forever. No responsibility for their own party's actions."
Whenever I hear that “stop blaming Bush” line, I chuckle at the very short memory you Republicans have. From 1976 to 1992 you whined and cried, moan and groaned and complained and complained more and bitched, carried on and on and blamed President Carter of everything wrong in the entire universe. Some of you even blamed him for the housing crash in 2007 even though he left office more than a quarter of a century earlier. Then from 1992 to 2008 you whined and cried, moan and groaned and complained and complained more and bitched, carried on and on and blamed President Clinton for everything that was wrong in the entire universe. You blamed Clinton for 9/11, for the housing crisis, even for the massive deficits of the Bush administration. So – using the standard you set – the left has another 29 years to blame Bush for everything just to pull even with you.
In all this comparison of debt or deficit vs. GDP just remember that GDP is a moving target. The deficit to GDP ratio a couple of years ago looked bad because the GDP was falling, now it's increasing so the numbers look better.
The Republican Party refuses to compromise and the President can only do so much. The President has tried. The President has put everything on the table. The Republican Party goal is to save the rich and no concerns for the poor or middle class Americans. It is Congress that must pass the bills in the House and Senate. It is wrong and I hope the American people see the Republican for who they are.
President Obama has always stated that we must take a balanced approach on taxes and cuts. The President campaigned on that issue diligently and the American people know it. It was made loud and clear from the President that we must have a balance approach and to say otherwise is completely wrong.
Your comments are nowhere near the truth. Please read this: http://news.investors.com/ibd-editorials/022813-646267-obama-labels-new-revenues-as-spending-cuts.htm
Only in Obamaland are tax hikes called "cuts".
HelloDoc--you got it right in just a few words. All you wingnuts who keep asking for the President's plan, it is posted on line. AND just how many votes does he actually get in the House? Since he isn't a member of the House, I make it -zero-. Let's take back the House in '14 and move forward again.
Let the budget cuts begin...you can't spend more than you make.
I agree,let the Gov't Monster begin it's decent into financial cuts,and cuts and more cuts! Obviously are dear PIG has not seen Bob Woodwards account of what a BULLY ,her commander in chief is! PIGS BELONG IN THE SLOP!
HelloDock, the Republicans have ALREADY compromised when they allowed the tax increases in late 2012! It is the Democrats who have not been forthcoming with their promised budget cuts! Now Obama wants the Republicans to raise taxes again without agreeing to a DIME in cuts! Fool me once, shame on me. Fool me twice, f*(k you!
Dan, you can point out that our 1/2 white president got the tax increases already
but that was last year. Obama will not keep his word. It's that 1/2 white blood in
him that makes him so evil! His black side really wants to keep his word.........
If Obama gave a rats azz about Americans, he and his wife wouldn't blow all our money. http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/senator-obamas-golf-weekend-tiger-cost-much-341-federal-workers-furloughed_704915.html
This Jackass and his wife are beneath contempt.
And the CBO said that, in the last fiscal year, the American taxpayers paid over $1.42 BILLION to feed, house, protect, entertain, and give the First Family vacations! I guess Obama is right, there is NOTHING to cut!
Silly me, I thought Boehner was the Speaker of the House. You know, the body that is supposed to start financial legislation and send it to the Senate. Guess he forgot to read his job description. Or he knows that he can't get anything through his Teapublican house and is hoping to be saved by the Pres. and the Senate.
You know, the body that is supposed to start financial legislation and send it to the Senate.
Yeah, and then the Senate is supposed to vote on it. But, Reid won't bring bills he doesn't like up for a vote. Why are you not asking Reid to actually vote on bills passed in the house and if ammended be sent to reconcilliation to work out the differences. Boehner wants Reid and the Dems to actually stand up and say this is what we want and will pass as far as spending cuts go. all the Dems have done so far is insist upon raising taxes again, on the same people, again, after raising taxes on them just two months ago!
DEB is right, Mikey . . . if you do a teeny weeny bit of research, you will see that Boehner has not put any financial legislation through the House IN THIS CONGRESS . . . the 2 bills Boehner keeps yapping about having passed, were in the 112th Congress - they are now DEAD.
Boehner needs to put a new bill together for this current 113th Congress, and pass it . . . only then can it go to the Senate. . . .
Although, in an attempt to work things out, yesterday Senate Dem's got 51 votes on a BALANCED bill (half cuts, half revenue) to solve the sequester - which ReThuglicans then VETOED. (That one could have been "blue-slipped" if it hadn't been vetoed)
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KC,
Yes, the Seanate did vote a a balanced bill. But only in the Senate does 51 votes which is a majority not count!!
STLMIke, KC--the Senate voted on both a republican plan and a democratic plan yesterday. The GOP plan only got 38 votes; the democratic plan had the majority votes needed to pass EXCEPT the GOP Senators filibustered. The House did nothing; 3 times, Boehner refused to allow a democratic plan to come to the floor for debate and a vote; Boehner doesn't even have a GOP plan to vote on. Now, which party is it that is doing NOTHING?
YES, JODY & NORTHSTAR - I AGREE WITH YOU!
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Totally nothing. Right on Jody. Denial too - much of it.
The Republican Party feels that it is better that the rich pay 13% tax. The Republican Party feels that it is fine that the rich are able to take advantage of lucrative tax break. The Republican Party would rather see the rich continue to success verses the poor and middle class Americans.
The Republican Party feels that it is better that the rich pay 13% tax.
Once again, another lying Dem. The average effective tax rate for AGI of $1 million or more is 25%. The average effective tax rate for all Americans is 11%. The average effective tax rate for Americans making less than $50,000 is 5%.
Its clear you simply are too uneducated, or are lying, to understand the diffrence between the marginal tax rates in our tax system and an effective tax rate.
STLMIke, do you get a special tax break for having a corporate jet, corporate yacht? Closing unfair loopholes which benefit only the special interests who lobbied for Congress to put them there are the GOP's so-called tax hikes President Obama and democrats want to implement. Odd, in December 2012, Boehner was all for closing tax loopholes as was Mitt Romney during the campaign. The last time we overhauled the tax code to eliminate these special interest freebies was when President Ronald Reagan said he had "no idea it had gotten this bad."
AGAIN, I AGREE WITH JODY, & HELLO . . .
Remember that Romney only owed an "effective rate" of ~9% . . . because he was embarrassed that it was so low, and because he had LIED and said he never paid less than 10%, he rigged that year's taxes so that he actually paid 13% (which everyone knows he has fixed/will fix now that he lost the election, by means of an amended return) by not claiming some of the deductions to which he was entitled.
And that his income (what was it, something like $250,000,000???) was not on WAGES/LABOR . . . that's just his money making more money.
So, what Mikey doesn't understand is the difference between a set "tax rate," which rich people do not actually pay, and an "effective rate" which is what they ACTUALLY LITERALLY PAY . . . because MOST of the tax deductions, like "carried interest," favor wealthy people, and not the people who are actually using their labor to earn an income. Something like 97% of the cap gains tax cut goes to the top 1% of income "earners."
And yes, as Jody said, both Boehner & Romney were in favor of closing those loopholes . . . until Obama said HE was for them too . . . then, as so often has happened, they were suddenly against them. Kind of like that bill that McConnell put up for a vote . . . until Obama said, "wow, good idea" . . . Then McConnell filibustered HIS OWN BILL!!!
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Yeah, our checks are down the last 2 months because of Republicans - not.
Obama has been president over the largest income decrease for the middle class in history, the government is fat and bloated, the middle class shaves 2.2 percent of their income and tightens their belt. Obama and libbies complain about a 1.4 percent reduction in spend to the massively bloated 4trillion dollar defect. Dems are beginning to look greedier than the republicans.
Let's do this really simple.
Last year Fisted dead head spent $100 for booze.
This year fisted dead head was going to spend $110 dollars on booze.
Due to budget cuts she only gets to spend $108.00
And this is the massive cut that will send her off the brink into doom and gloom?
There have been a $hit load of people taking pay cuts but the Lion African
can't do it.........
The Empty Suit wanted the sequester from the start.....He admits it......
October 23rd 2012, in the interview with the Des Moines Register editors, Obama said, quote, "[T]he good news is that there’s going to be a forcing mechanism to deal with what is the central ideological argument in Washington right now, and that is: How much government do we have and how do we pay for it?"
He went on to say, "So when you combine the Bush tax cuts expiring, the sequester in place ... we're going to be in a position where I believe in the first six months we are going to solve that big piece of business. It will probably be messy. It won’t be pleasant. But I am absolutely confident that we can get what is the equivalent of the grand bargain that essentially I’ve been offering to the Republicans for a very long time."
He's a lying piece of excrement.....
What about the welfare subsidies we have been paying to Oil and energy Co's for decades now? Billions
yet the GOP won't consider stopping that or closing loopholes, they will only consider cuts that will hurt
our economy and elderly, children and those who can least afford it...
Remember when Boner got 98% of what he wanted, but couldn't get the support from his own party, because
of the Tparty nuts...
Turn off the fox news and being parrots for the "talking points".... The GOP/tpotty and fox news nation
are irrelevant anymore... Hey lets talk about Benghazi some more! LOL
Yeah...Let's...He an accessory to murder as well.....
We have raised taxes on the rich, now its time to cut spending. Not raise taxes some more "Obama's Plan".
Boner needs to grow a pair and stand up to the teaparty idiots that he has to deal with. If they were out of the picture or were put in their place properly, we wouldn't be in this situation!!! Grow a couple, Boner!! That's your job.....herding cats!
How about we stop all foreign aid? Has anyone seen photo's of Hiroshima or
Nagasaki? Those two cities were nuked? Compare them to photo's of Detroit
now. Maybe next war we can drop Democrat mayors on cities and do some
real damage!
Each decision has registered and recorded and that comes along with the responsiblity for each decision making. Now whatever that comes along from the sequester comes with adverse side effects wherever it may hit.
Victims may continually count . . .
Hope you're happy, Boner!! BIG mistake and your party will pay at the next election. You are a disgrace!!
NEWSFLASH Friday afternoon news dump 700 NEW pages of regulations for Obamacare God help us all!!!!
Why is this idiot, and the rest of the idiots in DC (the Senate and the House) at home for a 3 day weekend? They should be in DC, locked in a room, and not let out until something is worked out. By these idiots (that's all of them ... Republicans and Democrats) going home with something like this needs to be taken care of, all they care about is their political agenda. They do not care one bit about the people in America ...
STOP PLAYING POLITICS AND GET THE WORK DONE!! ALL OF YOU (DEMOCRATS, REPUBLICANS, INDEPENDENTS, ETC) ... Get your butts back to DC, get in a room, and get this worked out!! This is BS!!!
Why should they care?
Only the well off are complaining about cutting spending and Government programs.
They don't have to worry about being in dire straits if unemployed.
They don't have to worry about being in dire straits when becoming ill puts you in bankruptcy .
They don't have to worry about being in dire straits from not being able to receive Government assistance from welfare to feed their children.
But they will worry if the Republicans have their way by cutting funding for programs that provide us safety. It's all about Deregulations and cutting. Republicans love this....as long as it doesn't include not cutting taxes, billion dollar subsidies to big oil, defense.
When their rich -a s s e s- are dying because a plane crashes or they are poisoned from food from food processing plants because of deregulations, they will realize that their money will not keep them from the grave.
Even Obama is backing off his doomsday scenario comments. Didn't you get the message from the DNC??
Peter17
Even Obama is backing off his doomsday scenario comments.
Buzzer sound just went off
You're wrong!!!
Cantor has admitted he talked Boehner out of a deal with Obama because he thought that Romney would win. Read the full story in the latest New Yorker. Woodward is full of it and of himself when he blames the sequester on Obama. It was the administration's idea to forestall a debt limit default and it worked when it was fully embraced by the Republicans. Boehner is a tragedy of Shakespearean proportions. He is to be pitied but he apparently refuses to reach out to the moderates in his party and the democrats and come up with a sensible plan.
its been said by many;
there is no leader in white house.hes gone across country scareing everyone of whats going to happen today.did it no. he should of been at capitol hill trying to balance the budget
I ask that the house,senate,congress governors get off there ass's
<using john boehners words>
we have a party presidant not demc or rep but partier
we have watch him lie to the american people over and over.
if hes so worryed about budget,what you think it cost us tax payers for him
to fly round state to state and lie.were taking the blunt of this in taxs,high gas prices
we want no more tax hikes; none
clinton was thrown out for way less them obama done.
Incomprehensible post alexgma! Keep it up though, the more posts like yours the better off the liberal/progressives are.
It's a stretch to take any post by this person seriously.
For real? You never learned how to use an apostrophe`? What was that, in your lower-end public school, 7th grade?
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Obama knows it is much more difficult to take away something than it is to give it. He is singing the tax and spend Democratic song just a little too loud. The sad reality is that the United States cannot afford to keep spending like it has been and remain fiscally viable. Obama is spending us into bankruptcy and is playing on the fear of people who are living off the governments assistance.
These programs must be reigned in quickly. Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, welfare, etc. are growing out of control. Congress and the President have got to come up with a plan to live within our means.
Personally, I'm for rolling back the Bush tax cuts on all individuals. When over 50% of the population pay no income taxes and many of them get back more than they paid in, there is a problem with the tax code. Eliminate the refundable child tax credit, earned income credit, and child care credit. I know of many people I work with who lie on their returns and claim they are unmarried to illegally get these credits. Get rid of itemized deductions altogether. Everyone who is above the poverty line should be paying at least 5% in income tax.
You can't expect the burden of funding general government services for everyone to fall on less than half the population.
Well, put it this way we finally have something that says "Made in the USA" :)
Gee, not to long back wasn't their a tepub presidential, and vp, candidate that was talkin bout cutting tax loopholes for the wealthy, he bein one, and corporations, or was that a dream in fantasy land?
How bout them there wars for starters, them before teabags were cheering on everything and defending the costs and rubber stamping, neither one paid a dime for, rubber stamping and rapid deficit rising started Before 9/11 and continued well after even those were put on the credit card. But especially the now decades as to the results of and the peoples responsibility the Veterans Administration, DeJa-Vu all over against, now a decade plus of no Sacrifice added to the previous decades and wars of!!
Good of Obama to come off the campaign trail. Too bad he went right out on the hysteria trail in an attempt to scare/BS the public. This was Obama's idea, just ask Bob Woodward and he needs to take hold of it. He knew he would not compromise and hope to blame Republicans for any harm. Yep, Obama owns this and this crap economy...
“The fact that we are here today to debate raising America’s debt limit is a sign of leadership failure.
It is a sign that the U.S. government can’t pay its own bills. ...
I therefore intend to oppose the effort to increase America’s debt limit.”
— Then-Sen. Barack Obama, floor speech in the Senate, March 16, 2006
The Budget Control Act of 2011 (Pub.L. 112–25, S. 365, 125 Stat. 240,
enacted August 2, 2011) is a federal statute in the United States that was signed into law by
President Barack Obama on August 2, 2011.
The Act brought conclusion to the 2011 United States debt-ceiling crisis,
which had threatened to lead the United States into sovereign default on or about August 3, 2011
When you,think of the GOP,here's what goes through your heads,
Dumb
Stupid
Toothless
Bible thumping sheep tards
Trailer parks
Uneducated
Fat,pasty faced losers
Gun toten simple minded losers
Idiots
Moron
The GOP didn't do this, wake up!
Bulletman357: I believe the word you are looking for is "toting," not "toten. Please tell me who is simple-minded, uneducated and a moron now?
Bulletman...
How about this one..."I'm rubber and you're glue..."
Good grief!!
Disgusted - "Toten" is the spelling for the benefit of the morons. Bulletman is just imitating them for ease of understanding.
It's obvious the IGNORANTS have taken over.