From sequester to Hagel and voting rights, Washington braces for whirlwind week

 

A vote on President Barack Obama's nominee to lead the Defense Department, Supreme Court arguments about the future of a key provision of the Voting Rights Act and the expected onset of automatic spending cuts known as the "sequester" mean the nation's capital is bracing for a politically consequential week ahead.

Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood discusses how the looming spending cuts will affect air travel and calls on Congress to act.

After a weeklong recess, Congress returns to Washington with a full agenda of business that needs handling. Topping that list is an item which lawmakers are arguably unlikely to resolve over the course of the week: the sequester, about $85 billion in automatic spending cuts set to begin taking effect on Friday, the first day of March.

Lawmakers left town before the President's Day holiday no closer to resolving the sequester, the second part of the so-called "fiscal cliff," which was delayed for two months by the New Year's Day deal on taxes.

Last week's recess was more full of posturing and blame-placing by Obama and Republicans in Congress — who each blame the other for the sequester's creation — than any substantive progress toward a deal to address the cuts, which both sides agree would be perilous.

"So now Republicans in Congress face a simple choice: Are they willing to compromise to protect vital investments in education and health care and national security and all the jobs that depend on them?" Obama said last Tuesday at the White House. "Or would they rather put hundreds of thousands of jobs and our entire economy at risk just to protect a few special-interest tax loopholes that benefit only the wealthiest Americans and biggest corporations? That's the choice."

House Speaker John Boehner, R-Ohio, responded in the pages of the 'Wall Street Journal': "The president's sequester is the wrong way to reduce the deficit, but it is here to stay until Washington Democrats get serious about cutting spending." 

The administration has been warning of the potential consequences to the spending cuts, including military readiness and even delays and inconveniences in air travel.

Related: Why Obama has the PR upper hand in sequestration battle

"We're not making this up in order to put pain on the American people," outgoing Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood said Sunday on NBC's "Meet the Press." "We are required to cut a billion dollars and we are going to do that unless Congress gets together and works together and compromises on this." 

Former Democratic Congressman Harold Ford Jr.; Wall Street Journal columnist Peggy Noonan; Host of NPR's Morning Edition, Steve Inskeep; CNBC's Maria Bartiromo and Jim Cramer weigh in on how the looming budget cuts could be avoided with better leadership.

With both sides still so far apart, an agreement to delay or soften the blow of the automatic cuts before Friday seems unlikely.

That legislative showdown would normally suffice to consume all the political oxygen in Washington. But this week also features several other major events worth noting.

One such item is another holdover from before recess. The Senate is set to vote Tuesday on final confirmation for former Sen. Chuck Hagel, R-Neb., to become the next defense secretary. The vote follows tenacious efforts by some Republican senators to block their former colleague from joining the Obama administration.

Senate Democrats had hoped to formally vote to confirm Hagel before last week's recess, but Senate Republicans — even some GOP senators who said they'll support final confirmation for Hagel — joined together to sustain a filibuster, and delay the confirmation vote until this week. For their part, Democrats decried the filibuster as unprecedented against a Pentagon chief's nomination.

Former Democratic Congressman Harold Ford Jr.; Wall Street Journal columnist Peggy Noonan; Host of NPR's Morning Edition, Steve Inskeep; CNBC's Maria Bartiromo and Jim Cramer discuss what happens if Washington can't agree on an alternative plan.

Still, Hagel appears to be headed toward confirmation. Some of his most vociferous critics — Sens. John McCain, R-Ariz., and Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., among them — said they would support moving toward a final vote on confirmation, which would only require a simple majority of the Senate's support. Even still, several GOP senators have said they intend to support Hagel, which only boosts his prospects for confirmation, barring some sort of development.

Hagel isn't the only member of Obama's prospective national security team left hanging over the recess.

After facing a grilling earlier this month before the Senate Intelligence Committee, John O. Brennan's nomination to become the next director of the Central Intelligence Agency faces an uncertain future. Senators are looking for more information about the Obama administration's secretive drone strikes program — and Brennan's role in crafting that strategy — before moving forward with his nomination.

Sen. Rand Paul, R-Ky., has threatened to filibuster Brennan's nomination before the whole Senate until he's received a satisfactory answer. The concerns about Brennan aren't isolated to Republicans, either; Democrats like Sen. Ron Wyden of Oregon have voiced similar misgivings about the secretive use of drone strikes to target suspected terrorists and the process behind them.

Joshua Roberts / Reuters file photo

Capitol Hill in Washington, DC

Also this week, the Supreme Court will hear potentially consequential oral arguments challenging a section of the historic Voting Right Acts. The justices will hear a challenge to a section of the law requiring nine states with a history of racial discrimination to seek Justice Department approval for any change in their voting procedures before those changes can take effect.

Obama, speaking Thursday in a radio interview, sought to calm fears that African American or other minority voters would face greater challenges to voting if the Supreme Court were to strike down that section of the law.

"I know in the past some folks have worried that if the Supreme Court strikes down Section 5 of the Voting Rights Act, they're going to lose their right to vote. That’s not the case," Obama said on "The Black Eagle" radio show. "People will still have the same rights not to be discriminated against when it comes to voting, you just won't have this mechanism, this tool, that allows you to kind of stay ahead of certain practices."

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Another chance for the Party Of Stupid (POS) to dig even a deeper hole before their next well deserved vacation.

  • 25 votes
#1 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 4:43 AM EST

Chin up, John. The Republicans may still be able to get the Democrats to do something.

It is actually amusing that you would name call a single party. You should have said perhaps CONGRESS as a whole will do something before they have another vacation. All of them are worthless, and that includes the finger pointing POTUS. Things need to change...

  • 24 votes
#1.1 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 5:14 AM EST

The republicans are usually going on vacation when something important comes up that HAS to be voted on.

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#1.2 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 5:29 AM EST

You should have said perhaps CONGRESS as a whole will do something before they have another vacation

Who sets the schedule? The Leader of the House, John Boehner.

Sorry Thing, this 100% IS the work of one single party.....there is only one party that is spouting that it must be 100% cuts and 0% revenue....the other party is simply asking for a balance of both; and that's unreasonable?

  • 29 votes
#1.3 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 5:31 AM EST

Concessions have been given once on taxation this year already, remember?

  • 13 votes
#1.4 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 5:37 AM EST

Thing....

How many taxes were raised with the BCA of 2011?

  • 7 votes
#1.5 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 5:40 AM EST

Meaning like Christmas, concessions come but once per year?

  • 7 votes
#1.6 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 5:42 AM EST

The GOP is looking forward to say NO to everything and go to sleep during the sessions.

Business as usual.

  • 21 votes
#1.7 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 5:50 AM EST

Last week's recess was more full of posturing and blame-placing by Obama and Republicans in Congress — who each blame the other for the sequester's creation

Obama is STILL playing the BLAME GAME!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAd1trp0rgk

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/feb/22/sequestration-was-obamas-idea-in-the-first-place/?page=1

LAMBRO: Sequestration was Obama's idea in the first place


This irresponsible political strategy is being driven by President Obama in an attempt to persuade enough of us that sequestration will shut down critical sectors of the government, endanger our country and possibly plunge the economy into another crisis.

WHERE IS THE BUDGET HARRY???????????

For more than two centuries, we have financed our government by enacting annual budgets, though that process has been stopped cold in recent years because the Democrat-run Senate refuses to pass a budget.

That's something you hear very little about on the nightly news, where they tend to blame the Republican-controlled House, even though it has sent three budgets to the Senate over the past three years, only to have them declared "dead on arrival" by Senate Democratic Leader Harry Reid, who said last year, "We donot need to bring a budget to the floor this year."

  • 14 votes
#1.8 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 6:19 AM EST

Boehner should take his toys and go home. I cannot recall a Congressional Speaker of the House who was less of a leader than him since Gingrich. Boehner cannot lead his cronies and baggers as a nucleus for the betterment of the majority of the citizens of this country. Instead they pander to the uber wealthy and big business which comprises the minority of approximate 2% of this country. It is my sincere hope that the midterm election cycle rids us of the scourge upon the political landscape as they have done nothing but bring this country down since the advent of Reagan and his failed trickle down economics. This economic practice has done nothing but widen the chasm between the have and have nots of this great country and it getting worse by the day.

I wish Congress and Senate both were financially punished for not doing the business of the majority of this country as will happen to the good people of the great land. Do we not live and elect representatives to our democracy? Is this not a republic by fiat? The voting of laws should be given to the people directly by popular vote thus alleviating this burden on both Senate and Congress. We would then see the people's business being taken care of instead of the private business of the uber wealthy and corporations. The onus is on Congress to get their heads on straight and forgo all of their rediculous posturing for the sake of who? It is not the majority of America and where were they when Bush II and Cheney were spending us into oblivion? Lining their personal pockets with our gold?

  • 19 votes
#1.9 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 6:21 AM EST

Fed...

How did the GOP vote with the sequester?

Overwhelmingly in both the House and Senate "Aye".....

Who claimed "victory" afterward?

John Boehner claims he got 98% of what he wanted in an interview afterward.

It is beyond idiotic to try and pin the sequester on Obama when the great majority of GOPers voted for it AND their leader claims victory. Most see this which is why the GOP will take the fall for the sequester when/if it happens.

Next, the GOP will try and claim that THEY are the ones who are responsible for Obamacare passing.......

  • 23 votes
#1.10 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 6:33 AM EST

So far Republicans have given no indication what work they intend to do beyond the hard work of historical revision. Don't forget, the only reason we HAVE a sequester is that Republicans signaled their willingness to crash the entire economy in order to protect tax cuts for hedge fund managers, oil companies, and corporate welfare. That was the plan. After all, John Boehner declared proudly that he got "98% of what we want."

Fast forward to now and Conservatives show themselves as the thieves, vandals, and feral children they are. Rather than taking responsibility for what they were so proud of then they work overtime to evade the blame, alternately posturing and hiding like scared bullies.

So here we are Republicans, giving you "another bite at the apple" as you said so frequently through the previous battles. There's something different this time, however. The people have spoken, and spoken loudly ALL of your policies are favored by only small minorities of Americans. VAST majorities favor protection of the social safety net and a balanced approach toward fiscal improvement that includes both additional spending reductions and new revenue.

Threaten the American economy again at your own peril, GOPTP. The people have spoken and they are not on your side. I realize you think all you need to do is produce better ad campaigns for your failed policy but that time is gone. Reform or consign yourselves to further dramatic electoral loss.

Average Americans deserve better than you've delivered...and we know it.

  • 20 votes
#1.11 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 6:36 AM EST

My god do you forget that the GOP just agreed to 600B in tax increases I guess so. DId u forget it was Obama's idea to sequester. I guess so. Did you forget that these cuts are really just a decrease in the rate of spending? I guess so. What about giving the government more money to mismanage you don't seem to understand. Oh and I forgot while you blame Bush who yes wasn't wise in spending he didn't rack up another 6 trillion in debt when Obama was the one that said it was unpatriotic to do so. Obama doesn't lead he just blames.

  • 7 votes
#1.12 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 7:23 AM EST

Intellect-1949393, what a crock of sh-t. Are you telling me that the libs don't pander to the super wealthy??????????? So liberal politicians don't consort with and pander to George Soros, Bill Gates, Jeff Immelt, Warren Buffet, Michael Bloomberg and on and on. You libs rub those elbows too and proport the thinking that the republicans have cornered the market on this corrupt activity is sheer stupidity. How ironic that you accuse republicans of this yet for libs it’s just SOP after all.

  • 6 votes
#1.13 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 7:23 AM EST

Citizen911: Congress needs to work a 5 day week, like the rest of us! If not, replace them! If there's going to be cuts, why not start with congressional pay?

  • 12 votes
#1.14 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 7:30 AM EST

Those so-called "tax increases" were as a result of the TEMPORARY tax cuts ending. In addition, the first $400,000 of income is still at the "TEMPORARY" tax CUT level. ONLY the income above the $400,000 threshold is taxed at a higher rate. And that's AGI - ADJUSTED Gross Income, not total income. So that $400,000 is AFTER deductions. I think that if you have $400,001+ in income AFTER deductions that you can afford to pay a higher rate on that ONE DOLLAR - or whatever amount above the $400,000 in AGI you have. This means that if you own a business, your income is taxed AFTER COGS, depreciation of equipment, employee pay and benefits, cost of facilities etc. Trust me ... those people who have an income of over $400,000 after deductions have PLENTY of ways to get their AGI under the threshold or close to it.

  • 15 votes
#1.15 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 7:40 AM EST

Kent, Well said and I agree. Let the [wage] cutting begin!

  • 5 votes
#1.16 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 7:44 AM EST

The Republicans will continue to lose, because they remain the party of stupid.

  • 13 votes
#1.17 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 8:27 AM EST

The sequester will cause a double-dip, to hurt more innocent people, but I am sure the rich will not get hurt. This has been too familiar, just by looking at who is doing nothing to allow the sequester to happen - the GOP.

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The GOP has been the Party of big corporations, paying no attention to the suffering of the poor. This party did everything to deregulate Wall Street (repealing Glass-Steagall in 1999 for example; plus Bush's disastrous policies). We got the worse recession since the Great Depression. People have lost houses to foreclosures and lost jobs for no fault of their own.

Under the GOP leadership, the US House continued to pamper the rich and hurt the poor when the economy is slowly coming out of the shadow of the Recession. A double-dip is looming with this sequestration.

Under the GOP,

the rich have been on steroids, the poor have been on life support.

The GOP has thus broken the constitutional principle of 'equal protection under the law,' for one.

  • 11 votes
#1.18 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 8:29 AM EST

Hear something funny this morning on an NBC affiliate station. The House has sent over two budgets to the Senate to avoid the sequester. The Senate voted both of them down, yet it has not sent anything of a compromise back to the house. Sounds like to me that the Senate is where the hold up is. Blame the Republicans, or the House, but according to NBC, the ball is in the Senate's court. Maybe that's where we should be looking for blame.

  • 4 votes
#1.20 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 8:44 AM EST

Well thing, its what you don't know that will hurt you. If the house had sent anything but the same old Lyan Ryan budget, maybe Harry Reed would take them seriously enough to do something. However when your thinking is so screwed up that you think the Republicans want what is best for the country I guess you couldn't hear a freight train in a tunnel.

  • 5 votes
#1.22 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 9:04 AM EST

I love to see the endless stupidity of liberals. When Bush was president everything including the price of gas was his fault. Now that Obama is president everything is the fault of House Republicans. We even have idiots that claim the House is obligated to send a budget to the Senate that is acceptable to Harry Reid. Not that Reid is suppose to be leading the Senate to pass their own budget proposal so that the two can be ironed out in committee. Liberals just ignore the fact that Democrats in Congress are sitting around and doing nothing. Obama is supposedly the smartest person to ever sit in the Oval Office, and yet he is totally inept at leading Congress to any solutions. Liberals simply blame Republicans, say nothing when Democrats don't even put a proposal on the table, and then they wonder why nothing gets done. Obama is certainly not a leader, and you have to wonder if he was any good at community organizing, as leadership ability would seem to have been a requirement for that job as well.

  • 2 votes
#1.24 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 9:16 AM EST

Hear something funny this morning on an NBC affiliate station. The House has sent over two budgets to the Senate to avoid the sequester.

Oh yeah, bills that only affect cuts to the working and low wage people. Sure, that is a balanced approach!

  • 4 votes
#1.26 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 9:21 AM EST

Johntho,

Are you really that naive? The house sent over a budget. It doesn't matter what that budget was. It might have said "Don't spend so much". Once the senate gets it it is the senates responsability to reply to that budget with their own set of recommendations, something they have not done. All the senate says is NO. Wait, that can't be true can it? It'a the republicans you accuse of being the party of no. So it seems that the ones not doing their job in this whole mess are the Senate and the president. Wait, that can't be true! We have a part time congress and a part time president who don't do what they where elected to do BUT "it's all the republicans fault". I asked if you were that naive when I should have asked if you were that stupid.

  • 1 vote
#1.27 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 9:26 AM EST

No budget passed in 3 years. 1.2T in deficits each year. And you are worried about 85B in cuts through sequestration? The Fed's new QE4 policy is 85B a month. Please. I wish sequestration was 1T a year in cuts. Then liberals may actually consider serious cuts to entitlements.

In two years, social securty, medicare and welfare combined will exceed our government's budget. That means if you cut everything else... EVERYTHING... you would still run a deficit.

If you raise taxes by 40B a year, you will still have a deficit. Imagine... all of your hard work... all of your hard earned money... and ALL of the taxes the government steals from you goes to 3 things, social security (which won't be around when you retire), medicare (which will be insolvent soon) and welfare. So you don't benefit from any of your tax dollars. Taxes are supposed to be mutually beneficial. Not under Obama.

  • 1 vote
#1.28 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 9:26 AM EST

Washington braces for whirlwind week

What Washington considers a whirlwind is what most people would consider a hot breeze.

    #1.29 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 9:33 AM EST

    djo, Social Security is NOT a part of the budget or the deficit.

    http://www.ssa.gov/history/BudgetTreatment.html

    So, to sum up:

    1- Social Security was off-budget from 1935-1968;
    2- On-budget from 1969-1985;
    3- Off-budget from 1986-1990, for all purposes except computing the deficit;
    4- Off-budget for all purposes since 1990.

    Finally, just note once again that the financing procedures involving the Social Security program have not changed in any fundamental way since they were established in the original Social Security Act of 1935 and amended in 1939. These changes in federal budgeting rules govern how the Social Security program is accounted for in the federal budget, not how it is financed.

      #1.32 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 10:23 AM EST

      see above, he is back again, been banned several times, just changes his login name, this person does need some mental help.

        #1.34 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 10:34 AM EST

        New buzz phrase among the Teapugs: "Leadership" Next time you hear a talking head count how many times the GOP uses the word. It's their new buzz word. Never mind they haven't come up with one idea of their own, except to protect their friends. There isn't one of them who can get thru an interview without saying the President must "show leadership". He has, you just don't like the fact that the people are with him ,not you Teabags. Why don't you guys stop listening to Grover and start listening to the people who put you there?

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        #1.35 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 11:51 AM EST

        Yep, the week in D.C. started off with a BANG......more White House SPENDING.

        There was Mrs. Obama in her $ 80,000 gown shadowed by "props" to get Mr. Obama's Progressive agenda across.

        I wonder how much the Surf and Turf dinner cost the American taxpayers.

        New Progressive buzz word: SEQUESTRATION (GLOOM AND DOOM) !!!!

        It IS Mr. "Drama" Obama's FAULT.

          #1.37 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 12:39 PM EST

          Cat, use your brain... it is cash flow 101. Revenue comes in, government spends it. The government spends 1.2T more than comes in.

          Now you can play the terminology game all you like but if SS created surpluses each year... and it is off budget, then why is the off-budget surplus GONE. It was used to pay for medicare and welfare and illegal aliens and waste. The government takes payroll tax money and says it is for Social Security... but it's not... so it is ON-BUDGET.

          And this year, Social Security is estimate to pay out 789B in benefits and administrative costs, but only collect 623B in payroll taxes and taxes. This is a 166B shortfall. Where will the money come from??? Hmmm???

          You must be reading Obama Accounting For Dummies. Get real. We collected 2.4T in revenue on average the past 4 years and spent 3.6T on average.

          Social Security is for irresponsible people that can't save for their own retirement. So I have to pay for them to retire while saving for my own. I won't get back 60% of what I contribute, but lazy people will get back 120% of what they contribute. Great system.

          It hasn't changed in any fundamental way, huh? So the fact the less people work and contribute, and people live 20 years longer is a fundamental change? Now you see why "liberal" and "logic" is an oxymoron.

          I try to explain to people that when I had my first child I should pay more taxes. People said, you want to pay more taxes? I said, NO... but fair is fair. It is a matter of responsibility and obligation. This is mind-boggling to liberals. Use more... pay more. They just want to take take take. They vote for selfish reasons ONLY. How will it benefit them... not the country. Is there a democrat that remembers a guy name JFK... ask not what your country can do for you??? I know something that you liberals can do for your country... leave or get a job and support yourselves.

          • 2 votes
          #1.38 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 12:47 PM EST
          Reply

          Johnny McCain needs to get into his rocker at one of his many mansions, suck on a gin and tonic and ejoy the rest of his life rather than looking feeble and senile and blabbering on. A few other Republit*rds should do the same.

          • 17 votes
          Reply#2 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 5:14 AM EST

          Lindsey Graham and John McCain are two MENOPAUSAL old farts that need to get the &*&^out of Washington. They are just in the way and they LOVE to be in the news, it does not matter if the news are just to say how DUMB and STUPID they sound.

          • 14 votes
          #2.1 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 5:52 AM EST

          This remark needs to be cut and pasted to every on line site that can be found.

          • 1 vote
          #2.2 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 8:19 AM EST

          Maybe if you would look deeper into what they are doing, you could understand their concerns. Remember, both Senator's keep getting re-elected, which means their constituents like them and their votes.

          This is why we have two parties, to compromise and work together for the good of the nation, not a one party rule. Last place I hear had one party rule was China. Oh yeah, they're a communist country.

          • 2 votes
          #2.3 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 8:46 AM EST

          Nothing but classless comments, insults, and name calling from liberals. Apparently this is all liberals have to offer. The certainly don't hold anyone in their own party accountable. Maybe they should hand out pacifiers at the next Democratic Party convention.

          • 1 vote
          #2.4 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 9:21 AM EST

          What a tolerant group of liberals. In two comments they attack reatardation, senior citizens and womens conditions, using them as punch lines. Does anyone really believe that these people care about the old, sick and women among us?

          • 2 votes
          #2.5 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 11:56 AM EST
          Reply

          Oh, look. Another name caller that seems to think this problem is isolated to a few individuals or a single party. How can you side with anyone? Did the Democrats stay back last week and try to 'fix' anything? Have they proposed anything that will rectify the issues? I challenge you to show me anything... especially a budget.

          • 10 votes
          #3 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 5:20 AM EST

          Thing....

          You must have missed it along with the rest of the conservative "media"....

          http://mediamatters.org/mobile/research/2013/02/22/conservative-media-ignore-obamas-sequester-plan/192778

          http://www.politicususa.com/attention-republicans-obamas-proposing-sequester-plan-december.html

          Again, there is a reason nobody can take you people seriously....it is because you refuse to join the real world to discuss real issues.

          • 17 votes
          #3.1 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 5:27 AM EST

          And that is the same bogus argument that the Democrats continue to make about all the Republicans. Perhaps you missed the fact that concessions were already made regarding tax increases and no real cuts were offered up. They still have not.

          Continue to live your own world of 'logic'.

          • 10 votes
          #3.2 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 5:30 AM EST

          Thing....

          Obama has already cut 2.5 trillion from the debt.....roughly $1.5 trillion was cut back in 2011 through the BCA and $600 billion was raised through additional revenue (the remaining was the interest that would've been paid). Therefore, there is STILL a 2.5 to 1 imbalance of cuts to revenue based on the packages that have already been passed.

          The "no real cuts" argument makes absolutely zero sense to anybody with a 1/2 brain and access to the Internet. The President has even offered cuts to Medicare and Social Security.....and the GOP can't close a few loopholes? Give me a break.

          • 19 votes
          #3.3 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 5:36 AM EST

          Be happy with yourself, Logic. Just sit there and be happy. You are doing exactly what you accused the Republicans of earlier. You have your arguments and all others are irrelevant if they don't align with yours. Anyone with 1/2 a brain and access to history knows that the multiple party system is in place to balance Congress and prevent a single group from monopolizing the government.

          Considered running for office? You would fit right in.

          • 8 votes
          #3.4 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 5:40 AM EST

          Anyone with 1/2 a brain and access to history knows that the multiple party system is in place to balance Congress and prevent a single group from monopolizing the government.

          Typical.....your answer to something tangible that can/should be discussed is to talk about the balance of power in the abstract?!? So are you admitting what you are saying is complete bull ****...but it is important to do simply avoid "monopolization" of the government....that's as lame as it gets.

          Again, a losing argument being made by someone that doesn't have anything to argue with.

          • 17 votes
          #3.5 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 5:43 AM EST

          Dr Logic, No cuts have been made, we are still spending more then 1 trillion more then we take in. If you take in 2 trillion and you want to spend 10 trillion but only spend 8 trillion, that is not a cut.

          • 7 votes
          #3.6 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 6:12 AM EST

          Things, are you a blind Zombie? Your side of politics equate Liberal with everything evil and bad... and unpatriotic. Wake up Dude, or Dudess if you are one.

          • 6 votes
          #3.7 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 6:20 AM EST

          Michael...

          Not that you care....but here is a report about the supposed "non-cuts" that have occurred.

          http://www.cbpp.org/cms/index.cfm?fa=view&id=3840

          The problem with you people is you consistently make hyperbolic statments.....to make statements like, "no cuts have been made" is just a flat out lie that can easily be disproven. It shows that either a) you either believe the conservative diatribe that is spewed out daily or b) choose to twist facts to make your argument. Either is unacceptable.

          • 15 votes
          #3.8 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 6:29 AM EST

          By the way Dr. Logic, from a previous post of yours above 1.5 + .6 = 2.1

          Counting the 'interest that would have had to been paid' cannot now be used as smoke and mirrors to say that Mr. Obama reduced the deficit by an additional $400M. It just means that he only has $6.9 Trillion more to cut to get the deficit back to where it was when he took over.....

          Typical liberal math: If Johnny earns $2 and then gives $3 to his deadbeat brother, then Johnny really had $4 and he is eligible to be taxed on that extra dollar because he is obviously rich.

          • 3 votes
          #3.9 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 6:45 AM EST

          InDogpatch....

          If Obama wouldn't have made the cuts, would we have paid the $400 (its billion by the way)? Answer....yep.

          Please explain to me how ANY president is supposed to take a $1.2 trillion deficit (that was handed him from Bush) and save the economy that was losing 800,000 jobs per month? It is a patently ridiculous argument....which is the same argument you goofballs have been making for 4 years which is the same arguments that earned you utter destruction at the ballot box in 2012.

          Dumb as a stick.

          • 17 votes
          #3.10 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 6:58 AM EST

          I called you no names. But, thank you for setting me straight Dr. Logic. Have a nice day.

          • 2 votes
          #3.11 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 7:05 AM EST

          Dog,

          For the record...I didn't refer to you as being "dumb as a stick".....it is just the argument you were making was so. "Goofballs" was referring to the collective group of people that have pounding the same drumbeat for 4+ years since Obama was elected the first time.

          • 10 votes
          #3.12 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 7:10 AM EST

          You can't count freezing of future increases in spend as "cutting" spending. Damn you libs are so gullible when it comes to the president.

          • 5 votes
          #3.13 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 7:17 AM EST

          Hand....

          How can that not be a cut? If population increases and a growing # of people have to use a lesser amount because the same money is being divided by more people, how is that NOT a cut? Try to sell that **** to people see how far it gets you.....wait, you clowns did try that last year.

          • 12 votes
          #3.14 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 7:24 AM EST

          Sure and I'll bet you just praise the hell out of your wife (if you are indeed married) when she comes home and tells you how much she saved by buying this or that when she could have saved the whole amount because you didn't need what she bought anyway. The money was spent because it was there and nothing more.

          • 4 votes
          #3.15 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 7:31 AM EST

          Got to love the lack of reality behind the DoctorLogic spewing. Obama has cut NOTHING. Not one single thing has been cut since Obama took office. These pretend cuts of 1.5 trillion Obama touts haven't happened yet. They are reductions in planned future spending increases, and you will have to wait around until 2022 to see if they ever materialize. Long after Obama leaves office so he can't be blamed when they never happen. No surprise smoke and mirrors fool liberals, but the rest of us are not that gullible. The fact we are going to spend a projected 3.54 trillion this year proves there has been no spending cuts.

          • 2 votes
          #3.17 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 9:28 AM EST

          Rick: you conservatives "are not that gullible>" Thanks for giving me my laugh for the day!

          • 1 vote
          #3.18 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 11:57 AM EST

          Cutting 1.5, then adding 2.5 does not result in reductions to our deficit budget, Doctor. You have to look at the entire picture, and not just the parts you like. You should also work on having civilized conversations and be willing to listen without attacking other people. People like you, on both sides, are why nothing productive is getting done.

          • 1 vote
          #3.19 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 12:00 PM EST
          Reply

          "Or would they rather put hundreds of thousands of jobs and our entire economy at risk just to protect a few special-interest tax loopholes that benefit only the wealthiest Americans and biggest corporations? That's the choice."

          This is the bottom line. The President has laid out a plan that replaces the sequester and the GOP fails to even acknowledge that it exists. People have seen this same thing consistently played out by the Republicans ever since Obama has been President.....and every time the GOP chooses the wealthy and big corporations over the common middle class citizen.

          There is a reason why the GOP lost by so much in November....there is a reason why the Obama approval rating is between 55% and 60% and the GOP in congress is below 20%....people aren't stupid, they know when people have their best interests at heart.

          • 18 votes
          Reply#4 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 5:20 AM EST

          First of all, Mr. Logic, less than 2% of a vote swing was necessary for the election to go the other way. I'm not sure where you get the whole 'lost by so much in November' remark. The mandate and landside remarks have no sustenance. A win. Yes. A resounding victory? Not by any stretch of the imagination.

          What about the agreement to cuts if they avoided the 'cliff'? The POTUS now wants more increases in taxation while still only offering ideological future cuts. And he continues to pander all these horrific effects as though the US will cease to exist as we know it. Real cuts need to be made.

          And what is the approval rating of the Democrats in Congresss?

          • 8 votes
          #4.1 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 5:27 AM EST

          332 to 206 is a resoundng landslide.

          more than 5 million popular votes

          • 17 votes
          #4.2 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 5:32 AM EST

          Electoral vote, starbuck. This is not representative. And again, that is less than a 2% swing in the popular vote, which is exactly what I said before.

          • 5 votes
          #4.3 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 5:35 AM EST

          Thing...

          You are actually going to try and argue that losing by 5 million votes, losing 2 seats in the Senate (when it was sure the GOP would take the Senate back) and losing the House vote by 1 million and losing 10 seats was NOT a resounding defeat?! That's like a losing team arguing that a loss by 3 touchdowns wasn't "that big" of a defeat......it is a pathetic argument. And an argument that losers only make.

          • 20 votes
          #4.4 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 5:38 AM EST

          When Georgie won by the Supreme Court decision, he called it the peoples mandate and a resounding success. I think this was the first time that the election was called before the west coast polls were closed. Has Faked news called the election yet or are they still waiting for Ohio?

          Unless the Constitution has changed, the President is elected by the Electorial Vote. That is all that counts.

          • 13 votes
          #4.5 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 5:41 AM EST

          The president keep saying jobs will be lost (referring to first responders) which is a lie, because first responders are not paid by the federal government, but by the states (fire fighters, police officers, teachers, as such) but he uses them for scare tatics. He got his increased tax on the rich, but not one penny went to the deficet. In fact 10 years of that tax was spent in one bill to pay Sandy and the other 30% went to pork bills, inside that one bill. The sequester only cuts 2% and entitlements get no cuts at all. Now after the elections we are starting to see the real costs of Obamacare, and people including the poor are starting to see the new taxes (yes even the poor got a nice tax increase) comming out of ther paychecks. As for approval ratings Democrats will allways rate their love for fellow democrats at 100% no matter what crimes they commit. They will never throw out a convicted democrat. Republicans are much more likely to throw out a republican who even shows a sign of being guilty. Just look at Nixion compaired to either Obama with Libya, fast and firious, or Clinton and lying to congress under oath, whitewater, etc.

          • 5 votes
          #4.6 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 5:50 AM EST

          300Michael....

          There literally isn't one thing you rave about in your statement that is true. It is all the product of the make believe world that a conservative lives in......

          Republicans are much more likely to throw out a republican who even shows a sign of being guilty.

          I literally laughed out loud with this one......hmmmmmmmm, how'd that whole "weapons of mass destruction" thing work out that justified over $1 trillion and over 4,000 US lives in Iraq? This line alone shows how unbelievably dense you people are.....

          • 21 votes
          #4.7 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 6:01 AM EST

          What the heck is "Electorial" anyway?

          Is that how the democrats look at it....There is an "I" in ELECTORAL" so "I" must be right all the time.

          • 3 votes
          #4.8 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 6:10 AM EST

          Things, you still lost fair and square. It's like the minority claiming an absolute mandate. And if it was for Republit*rd gerrymandering, the defeat would have been even more comprehensive. Time to move on Dude, or Dudess if you are one.

          • 12 votes
          #4.9 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 6:22 AM EST

          Lou Leid, these Republicans were given their idiot heads on a platter with this last election. They could not buy an election nor could they gerrymander one either. Let's face it they are sore losers like children on the playground in grade school. I think this country has had enough of this brand of racism the Republicans are still soliciting in OUR land. It is time to boot all of them out including ridding the plague of the Republican Party and bringing in a new party to take its place. We are doomed as long as the Republican Party remains.

          • 7 votes
          #4.10 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 6:27 AM EST

          Lou, still using retardation as a punch line in your catchy sophmoric name calling? One party winning an election does not grant them absolute power, so deal with it.

          Intellect, I hardy think that is an appropriate name for you. Regardless, the Republicans still maintain the HOR, so who's head was on what platter exactly? Also, BO only won by 5% points......not really getting support from half of the nation. That is why the minority in our country still gets a voice up there, so you can deal with it as well. Stop complaining.

            #4.11 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 12:08 PM EST
            Reply

            Just because the GOP keep referring to it as "the president's sequester" doesn't make that true. It is this lack of respect for the intelligence of the American public that keeps getting the Republicans into trouble.

            • 17 votes
            Reply#5 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 5:31 AM EST

            The Americain public has no intelligence. That is the problem, the 51% that voted for obama certainly has proven my statement. And if you don't believe me:

            (1). There has been investigations going on in Ohio on voter fraud. here are a few quotes that some of the people that got caught as to make their statements unbelievable.

            question: "You voted six times. Didn't you know that it is against federal law to vote that many times."

            Answer:" Well, I sent in three absentee ballats and went down to the polling place and voted 3 times. I didn't know that it was against the law to make sure my vote counted,"

            Question: "we see that you voted twice: Do you know, you broke the law and could be tried and sentenced to prison?"

            Answer: I like president obama and thought that he might win with my two votes. So who cares."

            Question: We see that you went to three voting places to vote. That is against the law."

            Answer: Well, if one didn't accept my vote, i thought that the other polling places would. Obama won, didn't he?"

            And I could go on and on with this one.

            (2). Obama has scared the public, or should I say low informed voting public with his "drama king" remarks on the sequestion.

            "If the sequestion goes through,. there will be no police to patrol the streets of the city or towns of america." When did the feds pay the cops? "800,000 jobs will be lost." Yeah right!" In what sector, the private or federal? Those on medicare, ss, military and vetrans benefits will not be paid." "BS! These programs are exempt. But, not one word on unemployment comp. has been mentioned." The sequestation will bring down the debt by 800b of cuts of social programs." "can this guy lie! That is about 2% of what Obama believes as cuts. But in fact no cuts." "the stock market will collapse.' BS! the bulls will be running freely on wll streett."

            I could keep going, but the nimble minded lib, that is the very intelligent, has to read and re-read what I just posted.

            "I go now."

            • 1 vote
            #5.1 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 7:12 AM EST

            Just plain BS.

            • 3 votes
            #5.2 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 8:25 AM EST
            DamyouDeleted

            Damyou. Give me a link to that non -existent site you want people to Google.

            • 1 vote
            #5.4 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 9:30 AM EST

            Obama has support from liberals for three reasons, blame, excuses, and the race card. Other then those three successes Obama has been a total failure. But with liberals unwilling to hold Obama accountable, it is unlikely anything will change.

            • 1 vote
            #5.5 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 9:35 AM EST

            Rick: same can be said about the GOP! According to them, they aren't to blame for anything! Everything is the Presidents fault! There, have I just about summed up all your thought for you?

              #5.6 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 12:02 PM EST
              Reply

              Well, I can see that the fan club is on in force already. All hail the great Mr. Obama. All hail the outstanding Mr. Reid. Yada, yada, yada.

              I'm done. You win, because there will be no discussion... only worship.

              • 6 votes
              Reply#6 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 5:34 AM EST

              @Things

              And they forgot to mention that the GOP also lost 7 out of 12 governorships. Yes, the GOP took a butt kicking this past November. Spin it anyway you want THINGS NEED TO CHANGE, but the average person can understand:

              LOST THE OVAL OFFICE

              LOST SEATS IN HOUSE

              LOST SEATS IN SENATE

              LOST 7 OF 12 GOVERNORSHIPS

              If that isn't a butt kicking win, then please tell us what is, OK? I do admire you for spouting the party line, like most of the GOP low informed base does, but WHY LIE about things. The truth will set you free. And doesn't your God, and his bible say NOT TO LIE? Yet you publicans have no problem telling lies.

              The party of hypocritical thinking and doing is becoming well known to everyone. And next years election should be more blood letting on the GOP side. Your old, failed policies, and your old, failed thinking has lost your party many votes.

              • 18 votes
              #6.1 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 6:04 AM EST

              I guess your "bible" says "though shalt tax and spend until we are officially bankrupt."

              • 3 votes
              #6.2 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 6:47 AM EST

              And all of that change SallyAnn has done nothing for this country. When will the dems stop whining and crying and try to fix everything, since they are so great, and quit blaming others for their woes.

              • 1 vote
              #6.3 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 6:59 AM EST

              Actually, DrMan your bible has Christ saying "render unto Caesar what is Caesar's" in terms of taxation. No exceptions, no justifications for NOT paying your taxes.

              • 6 votes
              #6.4 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 7:49 AM EST

              Good.

              • 1 vote
              #6.5 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 8:35 AM EST

              And Dr. Where were you when Georgie ran up the tab, refused to include the costs of his two wars in the budget, and the Goopers went right along with him?

              But it's all the Presidents fault; he didn't fix things in the first 4 years, even tho, the stated aim of the TeaGops was to make him a "one term president". How'd that work out for ya! Now, the Gopers want Mitch McConnels head to pay for it. Typical!!!

              • 2 votes
              #6.7 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 12:05 PM EST
              Reply

              A resounding victory? is winning 332 to 206? No that is just the math of winning the election - it is hardly resounding. The President created the sequester plain and simple. The President requested tax increases to keep the government in business (notice I didn't say working) to start the year, and got them. Now he wants more taxes and doesn't want to give up any spending, or very little, and guess what... it appears his plans are falling flat.

              Gas is approaching an all time high - lets increase taxes. The economy took a hit to start the year, lets increase taxes. Jobs are going down, lets increase taxes. Increase taxes, increase taxes, increase taxes... yeah sounds like the Democrats really have a resounding win in November.

              • 2 votes
              Reply#7 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 5:42 AM EST

              President created the sequester plain and simple

              The problem you yahoos forget (that most others don't) is that the sequester (that the GOP resoundingly voted for) came because the GOP in congress wouldn't raise the debt limit in 2011 and this was the only way it would be raised. The GOP was willing to push the American economy over the cliff to get what they want.....and low and behold, they are willing to do it again.

              It should also be reminded that John Boehner said, "I got 98% of what I wanted" when discussing the deal right after it happened. Don't believe me....here is video:

              http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18563_162-20086598/boehner-i-got-98-percent-of-what-i-wanted/

              Note to conservoclowns.....the general populus is onto you. You continually look like the party that is only concerned with their own political interests...not the interests of the country.

              • 14 votes
              #7.1 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 5:48 AM EST

              @optimist

              Since you THINK you know it all, please explain to all the others here how the President controls the gas prices. If that was the case, why didn't Bush have it back at $.75 per gallon? See OPTIMIST, how easy it is to prove you maybe full of excretment.

              Would you also care to explain how, by not only losing in the federal arena, in the states, they, the GOP LOST 7 of 12 governorships. That isn't a butt kicking, then what is? I remember a past President who won by the same margin roughly, and the GOP DECLARED, by God it was a mandate of the people!

              I guess the mandate's only work when the GOP wins, right? Care to explain that OPTIMIST? What...crickets

              • 9 votes
              #7.2 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 6:11 AM EST

              Don't bother arguing with these libs. You only need the ability to read to know that Obama was all for the sequester. Clearly these libs haven't acquired the ability to read, now if they could just lose the ability to type.

              • 3 votes
              #7.3 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 6:48 AM EST

              DrMan,

              How do you possible argue with the fact that the majority of the GOP (both House and Senate) signed on to the sequester and John Boehner himself is on tape saying he got "98% of what he wanted"?!?! Your argument makes absolutely zero sense to any rational personal (which is why only the right buys your diatribe).

              • 14 votes
              #7.4 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 7:13 AM EST

              It doesn't matter all the polls show that the Republicans will be blamed for the sequester. They are still the party of no as they made clear with Hagel nomination. A defense secretary has never been filibustered. The funny thing is that they did it on the "Friends of Hamas" lie. Now they have egg or other things all over their faces so Hagel will be confirmed quickly tomorrow and Brennan too. The Hagel fiasco has exposed them more than they like for their total allegiance to Israel and AIPAC and for a war with Iran. The Hagel smear campaign was funded by Zionist neo-con, Sheldon Adelson, Netanyahu's buddy that owns an Israeli newspaper that supports all of Likuds racist and he fund's their illegal settlements. Then we have Zionist neo-con, Bill Kristol, with his AIPAC front "Emergency Committee for Israel" that is doing much smearing of Hagel and running TV ads against him. Since this group doesn't disclose its doners money is pouring in from Israel. I view the Republican Party as treasonous for giving a foreign power veto power over our President' choice of Defense Secretary and it is all for a war with Iran.

              • 4 votes
              #7.5 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 8:53 AM EST
              Reply

              Fact...Bone head is the one who proposed the sequester, check out on CBS Feb 15, 2011 Bone heads response was "if we lose jobs, so what were broke", then on Aug 1, 2011 he proposed his 2 step approach, which was his sequester, his Budget Control Act, don't believe me, just check it out.

              The Republicans keep complaining that Obama & the Dems have not gotten serious about cuts, what is 1.2 Trillion already made, and the Republicans say no more tax increases, the so called 850 billion in tax increases are really not tax increases, they are the old taxes that they were paying before the Bush tax breaks kicked in, they enjoyed over 10yrs of these tax breaks, while the rest of us paid through the nose to pay for 2 wars we never should of been.

              Now is the time for the poor, elder, disabled, and middle class, small businesses to get the breaks for the next 10yrs, while the wealthy 2% pay more, it should also include to get rid of the tax loop holes that allow Corp. to pay "NO" taxes. We need tax reform, so its fair to all, not just the wealthy.

              And by the way so far this year Congress has only been in session for 19days so far this year, sounds like a cushy job, if we did that we would all be fired. They say they are going home to talk with constitutes but really how often do they really do that. And the Dems did stay to work out a budget while the Republicans all went home, I'm sure some Dems did too, but mostly Republicans. The Dems plan introducing their budget this week, but I'm sure the Republicans will either filibuster it or just turn it down flat, nothing new, just the same old "NO"

              • 13 votes
              #8 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 5:45 AM EST

              I hate to say it, but small businesses did better under GWB than Obama so far.

              • 6 votes
              #8.1 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 5:48 AM EST

              Roger....

              First, based on what are you making this assertion?

              Second, what kind of an economy did Clinton leave Bush? Oh yeah, low unemployment and a budget surplus.......what kind of an economy did Bush leave Obama? Skyrocketing unemployment, a crumbling financial sector, and a $1.2 trillion deficit.

              It is moronic to not look at all factors involved when making such a ridiculous statement.

              • 14 votes
              #8.2 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 5:55 AM EST

              1st, I am a small business owner, so I DO know what I'm talking about

              2nd, the "Clinton" surplus looked good on paper but was not factual.

              the question is why did the Clinton administration SELL our oil reserves to gain that so-called surplus.

              Pay attention, you are just a parrot like most unimformed Americans

              • 4 votes
              #8.3 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 6:00 AM EST

              How about the 2008 crash Roger? Was that Carters fault?

              • 5 votes
              #8.4 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 6:02 AM EST

              Read that Roger.

              • 5 votes
              #8.6 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 6:03 AM EST

              of course the 2008 crash wasn't Carters fault

              it was caused by greedy billionaires like Warren Buffet!!

              sorry I don't click on links from this virus infected place

                #8.7 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 6:04 AM EST

                He allowed the "Buffet Rule" to be named after Him. Debunked AGAIN, LOL

                • 6 votes
                #8.8 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 6:07 AM EST

                Roger....

                Are you actually trying to argue the economy was in as good a shape in January, 2009 as it was in January, 2001? If you are, that is the first time any conservoclown that I know of has even gone that far to rewrite history. You call me an "uniformed American" but you only make ridiculous, opinonated statements that never tie back to actual history. You know, the kind that can be gathered from unbiased sources......oh, that's right...all the media is left wing based.

                Pathetic. I always find it funny when supposed "business people" come on here to regurgitate their diatribe....and if they ran their business based on made up numbers and rewritten history (like they develop their political views) they'd be out of business within a year.

                • 12 votes
                #8.9 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 6:09 AM EST

                sorry to get your panties in a bunch but after 35 years in business we are still going strong, keep buying my products and keep us in business for another 35, thanks.

                and no, I am not saying the economy was better in 2009 than 2001, but it WAS NOT because of the Impeached Clinton, that's for sure, did you forget we had 12 years of Republicans in the white house to set up the Clinton years, what a dope you are!

                • 1 vote
                #8.10 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 6:15 AM EST

                SO you give credit for the growth during the Clinton years to the prior Republican years but wont accept that the 8 years of Bush might have caused the recession on '08????

                • 8 votes
                #8.11 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 6:18 AM EST

                Roger....

                that's for sure, did you forget we had 12 years of Republicans in the white house to set up the Clinton years, what a dope you are!

                Oh, I get it....when Clinton was President and things were going well....then it is Congress that gets the accolades......now, when the economy is struggling; it is the President gets all the blame.

                Sorry Roger, my middle schooler could figure that one out.

                By the way, if you ran your business like you made your political decisions, you'd be out of business in a year. Because then you wouldn't look at actual numbers representing facts and cast them aside as you do in your political "arguments".

                • 14 votes
                #8.12 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 6:21 AM EST

                Roger, take off the ideological blinders. You think being a small business owner gives you special omnisience. How much have you fleeced from your business with questionable business expenses?

                • 7 votes
                #8.13 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 6:25 AM EST

                IT WAS THE DEMOCRATIC CONGRESS DURING BUSH'S 2ND TERM THAT CAUSED ALL THIS CHAOS.

                Everyone knows that it takes about 2 years in office for the new president to get his game on.

                the 1st 2 years are and can be blamed on the previous president...good OR bad.

                • 1 vote
                #8.14 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 6:29 AM EST

                Lou, I have not fleeced 1 dime from my business expenses, I even give my employees weekly incentive bonuses and it must be working, because I still have most of my original employees since opening the doors.

                I know it's hard to believe there ARE decent business owners left, but there are.

                • 2 votes
                #8.15 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 6:35 AM EST

                Right Roger.....everybody knows the housing bubbing began in 2007? Give me a flippin' break.

                Everyone knows that it takes about 2 years in office for the new president to get his game on. the 1st 2 years are and can be blamed on the previous president...good OR bad.

                You DO realize that by making this statement, you are pinning all 10,000,000 lost jobs on Bush, right?!?! You are actually arguing that Obama SHOULDN'T be blamed for all the job losses that occurred in 2009, but, should be given the kudos for all the job gains afterward.

                Finally, you said something that made sense!

                • 11 votes
                #8.16 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 6:39 AM EST

                Yes Drillogical

                I call it as I have seen it happen

                I DO NOT blame Obama for our current situation, but I do blame him for not grabbing the bull by the horns and trying to fix it.

                I do blame the Democratic congress under GWB for causing most of what we are going through in this country.

                the housing bubble was caused by bad loans, house flippers and wealthy fat cats who play with the market .

                • 1 vote
                #8.17 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 6:48 AM EST

                just remember what Buffet said in a Fortune magazine article in 1977

                The arithmetic makes it plain that inflation is a far more devastating tax than anything that has been enacted by our legislatures. The inflation tax has a fantastic ability to simply consume capital. It makes no difference to a widow with her savings in a 5 percent passbook account whether she pays 100 percent income tax on her interest income during a period of zero inflation, or pays no income taxes during years of 5 percent inflation."
                —Buffett, Fortune (1977)

                • 2 votes
                #8.18 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 7:07 AM EST

                I do blame the Democratic congress under GWB for causing most of what we are going through in this country.

                Who was in 100% complete control of the government when most of the deficit spending occurred under Bush (wars, tax cuts, Med Part D)? ALL that occurred under 100% complete GOP control....or are you going to rewrite that history, as well?

                • 10 votes
                #8.19 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 7:15 AM EST

                Roger, since you don't like to click on links, this is a cut and paste from the Forbes article (and Forbes is NOT a Liberal magazine):

                http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickungar/2012/05/24/who-is-the-smallest-government-spender-since-eisenhower-would-you-believe-its-barack-obama/

                It’s enough to make even the most ardent Obama cynic scratch his head in confusion.

                Amidst all the cries of Barack Obama being the most prolific big government spender the nation has ever suffered, Marketwatch is reporting that our president has actually been tighter with a buck than any United Statespresident since Dwight D. Eisenhower.

                Who knew?

                Yep, Obama's a Big Spender...Just Like His PredecessorsCapital FlowsContributor

                Check out the chart –

                So, how have the Republicans managed to persuade Americans to buy into the whole “Obama as big spender” narrative?

                It might have something to do with the first year of the Obama presidency where the federal budget increased a whopping 17.9% —going from $2.98 trillion to $3.52 trillion. I’ll bet you think that this is the result of the Obama sponsored stimulus plan that is so frequently vilified by the conservatives…but you would be wrong.

                The first year of any incoming president term is saddled—for better or for worse—with the budget set by the president whom immediately precedes the new occupant of the White House. Indeed, not only was the 2009 budget the property of George W. Bush—and passed by the 2008 Congress—it was in effect four months before Barack Obama took the oath of office.

                Accordingly, the first budget that can be blamed on our current president began in 2010 with the budgets running through and including including fiscal year 2013 standing as charges on the Obama account, even if a President Willard M. Romney takes over the office on January 20, 2013.

                So, how do the actual Obama annual budgets look?

                Courtesy of Marketwatch-

                • In fiscal 2010 (the first Obama budget) spending fell 1.8% to $3.46 trillion.
                • In fiscal 2011, spending rose 4.3% to $3.60 trillion.
                • In fiscal 2012, spending is set to rise 0.7% to $3.63 trillion, according to the Congressional Budget Office’s estimate of the budget that was agreed to last August.
                • Finally in fiscal 2013 — the final budget of Obama’s term — spending is scheduled to fall 1.3% to $3.58 trillion. Read the CBO’s latest budget outlook.

                No doubt, many will wish to give the credit to the efforts of the GOP controlled House of Representatives. That’s fine if that’s what works for you.

                However, you don’t get to have it both ways. Credit whom you will, but if you are truly interested in a fair analysis of the Obama years to date—at least when it comes to spending—you’re going to have to acknowledge that under the Obama watch, even President Reagan would have to give our current president a thumbs up when it comes to his record for stretching a dollar.

                • 5 votes
                #8.20 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 8:00 AM EST

                @cat

                Thanks for the post.

                • 2 votes
                #8.21 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 8:35 AM EST

                You're welcome, praysalot. I am an Independent and have RARELY voted a "straight ticket" - even back in my more ideological days of my youth. I tend to find the actual sources (instead of the talking heads, pundits and spin doctors) to form my opinions and my decisions about who to vote for. I also have NO patience for people who are granted the opportunity to find the answers for themselves, are GIVEN the links to the information and REFUSE to go and look at it. When your path is paved for you, you have an obligation to follow it instead of sticking to the weed-filled sidelines. If you refuse to follow the path to information, you have nobody to blame but yourself and your credibility is rendered questionable or demolished.

                • 4 votes
                #8.22 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 8:42 AM EST
                DamyouDeleted

                Here's the thing about Forbes; they are a BUSINESS info system. They don't care who is in the WH, they don't give a hoot who is in the Senate or House; they report on how Washington affects the business community. They are not conservative nor liberal. But if you are only going to listen to FOX Entertainment, then that's what you get, Entertainment(sort of like a bad, SNL)

                • 2 votes
                #8.24 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 12:18 PM EST
                Reply

                Does this President EVER talk about America as a whole or does he just speak to minority groups?

                He always seems to "warn" them about something the Republicans are supposedly doing.

                When will it be official that the "whites" in America have become the minority so they can get their fair share.....

                • 3 votes
                Reply#9 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 5:46 AM EST

                Does this President EVER talk about America as a whole or does he just speak to minority groups?

                ????????????????? What the **** are you talking about?

                • 12 votes
                #9.1 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 5:52 AM EST

                Don't you even read the article or do you just spew talking points constantly.

                The article states "Obama, speaking Thursday in a radio interview, sought to calm fears that African American or other minority voters would face greater challenges to voting if the Supreme Court were to strike down that section of the law."

                THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT!

                • 3 votes
                #9.2 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 5:55 AM EST

                Roger....

                Right....and you insinuated that Obama ONLY talks to minority groups. I'd love for you to explain how one interview where he mentions the voting rights of minorities somehow quantifies as ALWAYS talking to minority groups? That is such a stupid statement....words cannot give it justice.

                • 13 votes
                #9.3 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 6:13 AM EST

                Roger - " The justices will hear a challenge to a section of the law requiring nine states with a history of racial discrimination to seek Justice Department approval for any change in their voting procedures before those changes can take effect."

                Did you read the part about "history of racial discrimination"?

                • 10 votes
                #9.4 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 6:13 AM EST

                EVERYONE who votes in America should have to show an ID and should only be able to place 1 vote.

                BUT, that IS not what has been going on since Al Gore lost to GWB.

                did you all forget how they trashed the white house on their way out the door?

                Did you forget about the "Acorn" fraud?

                Did you forget about the "hanging chads" and so on and so on.

                I mean c'mon, where IS the respect and common decency in this country.

                I am an independent voter I do not cater to Dems or Repubs

                • 3 votes
                #9.5 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 6:23 AM EST

                @ROGER

                NO, how did they trash the White House on their way out? If you mean removing the W from every keyboard button, that was proved to be a GOP LIE, done by none other than Karl Rove.

                There was NO acorn FRAUD, another LIE, by the GOP.

                Just like the lie that tax money is being spent by planned parenthood for abortions. ANOTHER LIE by the GOP. Doesn't the Bible say it's wrong to lie? Where is all the bible thumpers at? They should be all over those lies, condeming, and then praying for those sinning SOB's in the GOP.

                I also am an Independent, and I cater to myself, but I can see through your manure. You can lie fast than a horse can run. Yeesh!

                • 9 votes
                #9.6 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 6:33 AM EST

                WOW, I guess you never saw the news during that election SallyAnn

                anyone who blames ONLY the GOP is NOT an independent voter sorry.

                have you EVER voted for a Republican or just Democrats.

                I have voted for the best person to do the job, Dem or Rep or Ind.

                let's not forget that there are MORE THAN 2 parties to choose from!

                • 1 vote
                #9.7 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 6:40 AM EST

                I have voted for the best person to do the job, Dem or Rep or Ind.

                Roger....As entrenched in the convervoclown media talking points, I have a really hard time believing that. It sounds good on the bumper sticker though!

                • 9 votes
                #9.8 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 6:49 AM EST

                Believe what you want, that is the great thing about FREE WILL sir.

                I tried to have an intelligent conversation but you are just another Rep basher.

                Good bye, you ARE the weakest link!

                • 1 vote
                #9.9 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 7:10 AM EST

                I tried to have an intelligent conversation but you are just another Rep basher.

                HA! Intelligent conversation? All you've done is regurgitate GOP talking points....never provide proof, never really make an argument. That is hardly an "intelligent conversation". It is pretty easy to be a Rep. basher when you people continue to provide us with material to bash you with.

                Plus, look back at your posts....they are all meant to bash the Dems or Obama. The only difference is you are basing your "bashing" on made up news and falsified facts.....I am at least using verifiable proof.

                • 8 votes
                #9.10 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 7:18 AM EST

                Rodger

                Now we know Why you have Little Man anger. I think you are truly Delusional. You are starting to

                echo Rush bag. Time to turn off faux news & hate radio ditto head.

                I was a GOP'r for 30 years, until the teabags hijacked the party. I am looking forward to the mid-terms when the Bums will be flushed.

                • 2 votes
                #9.11 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 8:40 AM EST

                Is he speaking to low info old white men now?

                  #9.12 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 8:43 AM EST
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                  Dr Logic. Nothing has been cut by the president. His plan was never turned into a bill and his "proposal" calls for all cuts to take place several years down the road after he leaves office. besides, there are no real cuts in the sequester either. just cuts to proposed rates of increases. bring the sequester on and how about we actually reduce federal spending just 1%? I will offer up the F-35, the littoral combat ship and 3 nuclear carriers. plus reduce the size of the army by 100,000 and means test social security and medicare. Now that is the start to prosperity

                  • 2 votes
                  Reply#10 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 5:57 AM EST

                  the radical "center"....

                  What the **** was the BCA of 2011 for the love of God? Do you simply pick and choose which pieces of history you look at. President Obama has shaved 2.5 trillion dollars off of the debt......how much did Bush? He added to the debt. How much did Bush Sr.? Oops, he also added to the debt. Well, how much did Reagan? Wow, he added to the debt as well.

                  The nitwits on the right have absolutely ZERO credibility on this because they never say diddly-squat about the debt when a Republican is in the WH....and they beat Democrats over the head with it when they are there.

                  People have caught on slappy....which is why the GOP is losing this argument and losing it big time.

                  • 12 votes
                  #10.1 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 6:17 AM EST
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                  Obama: I insist that Republicans take the blame for the mandatory cuts that I insisted be included in the Bill before I signed it. LOL

                  • 2 votes
                  Reply#11 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 6:18 AM EST

                  @the radical center

                  Explain how your means tests will work on social security and medicare! That is typical GOP speak for let's cut those two programs, even though people have paid into them since they started working.

                  And you gets to decide the means of the means test? The GOP? or the Demo's? Better idea, leave SS and medicare alone, raise the lid on SS payments, and keep the money away from Congress. That would solve a lot of problems, but the R's and the D's can't seem to understand that.

                  • 5 votes
                  Reply#12 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 6:19 AM EST

                  Sally, if you have a few million in the bank, you do not need SS. How many from the loaded side of town do not claim SS and Medicare benefits? Precious few I reckon. It's in their entitlement culture even though they do not need it.

                  • 2 votes
                  #12.1 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 6:28 AM EST

                  Lou, thanks, but at what level would the cut-off be for amount of money in the bank. I agree, if you have several million, you darn sure don't need SS. But the fact remains, SS is like a insurance policy, you may not have a choice but to pay into it, and you darn well should be able to get your money back.

                  • 2 votes
                  #12.2 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 6:37 AM EST

                  Oh Lou, If you lose your millions then you may need it.

                    #12.3 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 8:49 AM EST
                    Reply

                    You can expect the republicans to continue to do what they do best. Protect the super rich and do whatever necessary to make them even richer. It is their only genuine goal. Everything else they do is simply an attempt to try to get weak minded people to vote against their own economic future and vote republican.

                    • 9 votes
                    Reply#13 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 6:27 AM EST

                    ...another start to the business week, another restart to the business of weak GOP/T straw-grasping, cherry-picking, chicken-littling, and Obama-blaming...

                    • 7 votes
                    Reply#14 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 6:32 AM EST

                    reading some of these posts is like listening to obama, clueless. he campaigned on having signed into law $2.5 trillion in cuts, news flash the $1.2 trillion sequester was part of that. the deal when made was that the sides would work "together" to find a solution/cuts-still waiting. the house passed two bills last year, the second in dec, with substitute cuts to replace those in the sequester. you guessed it the senate and white house did nothing. additional taxes were not part of the original sequester deal, oh but that was then and this is now, well you got it and why would republicans make any deal with telepromter man. the guy gets campaigning because he has a script and can preform but talk directly to the principles and like govern, no way because he is clueless.

                    • 1 vote
                    Reply#15 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 6:33 AM EST

                    who cares anymore? same stories with the same punch line, print more money and put it into bank along with Wall Street while pandering to the media.......

                      Reply#16 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 6:33 AM EST

                      2008...

                      You realize that if the Fed really did "print" all this money we'd be having a huge inflation problem now, right? Or did you skip that day of Econ 101?

                      • 8 votes
                      #16.1 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 6:42 AM EST

                      You forgot. 15% of the Democrats base did not graduate high school. They are not sure what you mean by Econ 101. Is that a spaceship or something?

                      • 3 votes
                      #16.2 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 6:47 AM EST

                      Another....

                      Guess what clowny, their vote counts the same as yours. Plus, what does that say about you knotheads that choose to believe ficticious mathematics and rewritten history to guide your political viewpoints?

                      Let's just say you folks shouldn't be playing the game, "Are you Smarter than a 5th Grader".

                      • 7 votes
                      #16.3 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 6:53 AM EST

                      hes smarter then you dr - thats funny logic

                      • 1 vote
                      #16.4 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 7:02 AM EST

                      Doctor, yes and rule number 1 in Econ 101 is you pay your bills on time, as for inflation, it would have been deflation, we are in the typical recession/inflation cycle right now, have you checked you right hand while pumping gas or are you looking at the price per gallon on the pump....but wait, in the school of liberals thinking, you can just chum up to your buddies talking a lot and get a bailout and whatever don't you dare take the 50,000,000 off of food stamps. oh 2008, your hand is so small..

                        #16.5 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 10:31 AM EST
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                        @tom

                        I keep hearing about all of these new taxes, or additional taxes. What exactly are those taxes, what do they pertain to?

                        And you do know who, and it isn't that 'uppity' man in the oval office, who the GOP thinks needs a telepromter, that controls the countries purse strings, don't you? Doesn't your bible say it's a sin to LIE? Where are all the bible thumpers to condemn and then pray for those sinning SOB's in the GOP?

                        • 5 votes
                        Reply#17 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 6:41 AM EST

                        The GOP/TP are selective, when it comes to anything BIBLE!!!

                        • 7 votes
                        #17.1 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 6:51 AM EST

                        are you serious? let's see the very wealthy as of 2013 pay 39% plus an additional 2.8% transaction tax on sale of any assets, stocks,real estate etc, to pay for the unaffordable care bil. they don't need defending but here is the real shame the worn out phrase, "the rich need to pay their fair share". that is pure populist bs designed to pit one group against the other and appeal to the worst in us which says yea give me give me and let someone else pay for it. the telepromter man is an ideolog with no real ideas. you wanted mediocrity you got it, give the man a script on a teleprompter and he can preform i'll give you that.

                          #17.2 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 8:03 AM EST
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                          Leave it to the GOP/TP to take a recess when we need work to be done! Hagel will be confirmed, but only after we take this week off. Brennan will probably be confirmed, after we sit this week out. Sequester will happen, because we the GOP/TP will NOT budge on NO! There will never be compromise while the darkie is in the W.H.! We, the KKK oops, i mean the GOP/TP will never say yes to anything this country needs, or demands!!! The only thing this GOP/TP congress needs, or wants, is the total destruction of American families jobs, and livelyhood! To hell with the poor, working poor, or even the middle class! We don't need no stinkin middle class, only the poor verses rich!

                          Cannot wait to see their faces come 2014/16!!! The GOP/TP have chosen=RICH ONLY!!!!

                          • 5 votes
                          Reply#18 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 6:43 AM EST

                          Since the Democrats are not being responsible with our money it is the Republicans fault for saying NO. It is like telling a 3 year old NO. You don't say Yes just to stop hearing him cry.

                          • 2 votes
                          #18.1 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 6:45 AM EST

                          riiiigggghhhhtt dfromspencer - balanced budget, energy independence, reduce the size of our far too large bloated federal government, a strong military - no the country doesnt need any of that

                          • 1 vote
                          #18.2 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 6:55 AM EST
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                          How could it be expected Democrats would come up with tax cuts. The have not passed a budget since Obama has been in office. But of course, it has to be the Republicans fault because they are not in favor of spending money like it is water.

                            Reply#19 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 6:44 AM EST

                            Appearently, you did not see how the GOP/TP spent under Bush??? They spent our money like DRUNKIN SAILOR'S!!!

                            • 4 votes
                            #19.1 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 6:53 AM EST

                            and yet - we were in no where near the debt obama put us into - dunce - do you ever get tiredof being wrong?

                              #19.2 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 7:02 AM EST

                              PC: see post above with Forbes article/ Another GOP lie you told!

                                #19.3 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 12:25 PM EST
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                                The party of NO is preparing to say NO again! This is getting so tiresome. If you go back 15-18 years, you again see the GOP saying NO to Clinton in his attempts to balance the budget. It's deja vu all over again. Time to get rid of these Republicans who care more about their party than they do about their country! Remember, if raygun/bush/bush hadn't signed all those deficit budgets and then saddle Obama with a HUGE deficit, we would have a debt crisis. If bush had followed Clinton's plan, we probly would have any debt either!

                                Get the GOP the hell out of office! They're too dangerous to the country as we know it.

                                • 5 votes
                                Reply#20 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 6:44 AM EST

                                tom - saying no to any of obamas bad, fiscally unsound policies is exactly what we need them to do. The Republicans need to be obstructing this prancing little fraud at EVERY opportunity.

                                • 2 votes
                                #20.1 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 6:48 AM EST

                                Tom in NH

                                Are you new? The opposition will always disagree. Look back at Rep. Pelosi telling President Bush "no". Perhaps a more "balanced approach" would have more Congressional appeal.

                                  #20.2 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 6:56 AM EST
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                                  I love reading the comments from these laughable libs. "We won - you lost - get over it." Well little libbies, you need to get over it. We elected enough Republicans to prevent your man and his liberal ilk from running roughshod over us with your leftist taxing and spending. Maybe one day you'll have enough libs in power to turn us into Greece, but until then, you need to get over it - with enough Republicans in power, you're liberal agenda is toast.

                                  • 2 votes
                                  Reply#21 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 6:45 AM EST

                                  DR - these dunces still havent figured out that the ONLY thing they won was an election. The nation - the American people lost HUGE in november

                                  • 2 votes
                                  #21.1 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 6:49 AM EST

                                  The problem is they have the media behind them and most Democrats can't think for themselves and just believe whatever is in print. They see Mrs. Obama on the Oscars and just think whatever an Obama says must be good for me.

                                  • 2 votes
                                  #21.2 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 6:49 AM EST

                                  Wow, Dr., pc, another, all three of you are WHINNING!!! WAHHHHH, WAHHHH, WAHHH!!!!

                                  • 1 vote
                                  #21.3 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 6:56 AM EST

                                  duncefromspencer - your problem is that you just havent figured out yet how badly you f%cked up last november

                                  • 1 vote
                                  #21.4 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 6:57 AM EST
                                  Reply

                                  How in the world can anyone with a college education be a Democrat? Maybe we really do need to invest more in education.

                                  • 1 vote
                                  Reply#22 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 6:51 AM EST

                                  It's because most people without a college education are Republicans. Sad but true.

                                  • 3 votes
                                  #22.1 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 8:07 AM EST
                                  Reply

                                  Obama said last Tuesday at the White House. "Or would they rather put hundreds of thousands of jobs and our entire economy at risk just to protect a few special-interest tax loopholes that benefit only the wealthiest Americans and biggest corporations? That's the choice."

                                  Is anyone else tired of the drama?

                                  $85B sounds like a lot and President Obama suggests that life as we know it will be unrecognizably altered. Meanwhile, the interest on debt maintenance is larger despite artificially low interest rates.

                                  Yes, it stinks that we have gotten to this point, but who needs the gloom and doom; really?

                                  • 2 votes
                                  Reply#23 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 6:54 AM EST

                                  -Ideological purity

                                  -Compromise as weakness

                                  -A fundamentalist belief in scriptural literalism

                                  -Denying science

                                  -Unmoved by facts

                                  -Undeterred by new information

                                  -Severe xenophobia

                                  -Tribal mentality

                                  -Intolerance of dissent

                                  -Pathological hatred of the US government

                                  It's simple. Get rid of the GOP/TP and there will be no more whirlwinds!!

                                  • 5 votes
                                  Reply#24 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 6:55 AM EST

                                  doesnt describe any GOP I know

                                  • 1 vote
                                  #24.1 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 6:56 AM EST

                                  You got that right!!!! Dispatch, we can't even tell them how stupid they are, they are too stupid to understand!!!

                                  • 2 votes
                                  #24.2 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 6:58 AM EST

                                  hey bubble , lucky you - duncefromspencer agreees with you....hahahahahahaahaha

                                  • 1 vote
                                  #24.3 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 6:59 AM EST

                                  Pathological hatred of the US government

                                  You support a federal government that feels it needs to legislate equality to the point of homogeneity?

                                  • 2 votes
                                  #24.4 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 7:01 AM EST
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                                  The first stage in addiction recovery is admitting that you have a problem.

                                    Reply#25 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 7:01 AM EST

                                    ok - we have a problem - liberal democrats f%cking up a once great nation- there Ive admitted it

                                    • 1 vote
                                    #25.1 - Mon Feb 25, 2013 7:03 AM EST
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