then why release it in the first place !

this white house has alot of ideas to improve everything, WHAT I dont hear is HOW they plan to PAY for it.

sooner rather than later the spend, spend, spend is going to drive the US right into the ground !

The e-verify provision should be DEAD CHEAP and very EFFECTIVE! The fines for non-compliance could even make it a money-maker.

Yeah, this was 'leaked' - more like strategically exposed

KC in NC

If that was true why didn't Bush have 1+ Trillion dollar deficits for 8 years? Why did the debt raise 4+ Trillion under Bush over 8 years but has gone up by 4+ Trillion under Obama in less than 5 years?

President Barack Obama's draft immigration proposal is nothing more than a backup plan in case Congress fails to produce comprehensive legislation of their own, a White House official said Monday.

Sooooooo, what's on the menu for the LEGAL, LAW ABIDING and TAXPAYING Americans tonight, folks?

Let's see: a horsesh1t sandwitch served up by Congress or a dogsh1t sandwich served up by Obama.

Mmmmmmmmm, mmmmmmmmmm.

For the taxpayers, nothing says lovin' like something from the oven, eh folks?????

Pfffffffft.

When will the President get behind his promised initiative to balance the budget of 4 years ago? I guess Obama feels only some of his promises are important (like the promises that aren't important to most "legal Americans").

I posted this at #20, but I thought I'd post it again here, because I'm sure not all people will read all the way to #20. My thoughts are based not exclusively upon the article, but also upon some statements I heard on Chris Matthews today.

So President Obama puts forth an immigration plan that, in part, says that employers have four years to verify the legal status of their employees. That is a joke. Most illegal immigrants don't hold the same job for one year, let alone four. They jump from job to job, working for near minimum wage, dragging down the wages of legal Americans. Illegal immigrants have helped destroy most of the skilled trades in this country because they do entry-level labor for dirt wages, never sticking with the same job long enough to take pride in the quality of their work. By skilled trades I don't mean picking crops; I'm thinking more along the lines of construction related livelihoods.
Lots of jobs that were once considered "arts" are now nothing more than hours of labor on a short term balance sheet. Think roofing, or framing, or even drywall (yes, drywall was once an art; something that required patience and skill, but today you can't look at a wall of new construction without seeing every seam along the plane). Chances are your new roof (or skylight) will leak, and you can't even count on your newly framed house not to twist in the wind or sag into the ground.
The only solution to the illegal immigration problem is to use the E-verify system in the way it can and should be used: Impose severe penalties upon employers for employing illegal immigrants for even one day. Anything else will make the problem worse and draw more across the borders.
Some people say that education system should be geared more towards the training of useful trades. But why would any American kid want to study a trade where he can only make near minimum wage working in slave-like conditions because he is competing against illegals who live ten to a room?
This independant (who has been voting Democrat) is praying that the Republicans will get their act together (drop the tea-party) and propose real solutions to the problems that matter so that this madness can stop!
Mr. President, you disappoint me!

What backup plan, and does his backup plan involve executive orders????? When will these president's realize that executive orders are not to keep campaign promises that have nothing to do with fixing the current state of affairs. In fact executive orders shouldn't be allowed period, the senate and house have to pass the bill period, Bush did this crap too, when will we as a people start to wake up and realize we've lost control of our gov't. And it needs to be reeled in quick fast and in a hurry before it's to late.

To hell with all these politicians.

@ mike-2598123 post 1.1,

What spending are you talking about? I don't see any more spending than we had 10 years ago. Tell me what he has done to cause more spending that he hasn't found a way to pay for it, either by cutting other things or now by raising revenue? Please don't tell me I won't be paying for health care!

"The White House proposal would allow illegal immigrants to become permanent residents within eight years, as well as create a lawful prospective immigrant visa, require employers to check the immigration status of workers and provide more border security funding."

How about requiring employers to check the immigration status of workers FIRST, and then, after many of those illegal immigrants self-deport because they can't find work, we can deal 'humanely' with those still here.

Giving illegal workers a right to work up front just deprives legal AMERICANS of the few jobs available.

Looks like republicans (like Rubio) are now against the plan they were for before Obama endorsed it. If republicans want a better policy, be part of the process and make it better, which is impossible if their only goal is to obstruct Obama. I don't think they are capable, but I hope they prove me wrong.

when criminals steal some thing they are punished...not rewarded with free citizenship...Obama 11 million job thief's main supporter...really you are such a cop out on the American worker...stop NAFTA and run the thief's out...

confussed: your name is perfect,

the spending is ALL the programs barry wants to pass, (pre-kindergarten education) which is nothing more than tax-payer daycare for 4 yrs old and mapping the human brain and more green energy projects that flame out and go to china, Those spending and your favorite OBAMACARE that is getting worse by the day and the white house keeps giving waivers to his big donor buddies, so they dont have to comply !

that's just a start, try reading other news outlets before make comments, CONFUSED !

When all the song and dance and political hoopla dust has settled, 95% of all illegal immigrants now in America will still be illegal, and in America.

How many of the twelve (chuckle) million illegal immigrants now in America will agree to register, disclose place of residence, agree to background checks, pay fines and back taxes, learn English and go to the back of the immigration line ?.............Maybe 5% at best.

And of those 5% who do qualify and agree to jump through all the hoops, what will happen in the way of future immigration status of family members who cannot, or do not care to qualify ?

If we are to solve the illegal immigration problem once and for all we must target Americans who employ illegal immigrants and make it possible for them to survive over long periods of time in America. We must make it a felony to employ an illegal immigrant, and enforce the law in earnest.

There is a right and wrong way to become an American citizen, and we must not reward those who willfully disrespect our laws

Hey big al : did you know that the GOP is the party to pass ALL de-segregation laws and started the welfare programs and your GREAT DEMOCRATIC PARTY was the KKK and confederates in the civil war !

try reading a history book and expand your mind and not your mouth !

O's demand insistence upon the complete sell out the American worker (and LEGAL immigrants) in favor of ILLEGAL FOREIGN NATIONALS IS POSITIVELY UNFORGIVABLE!!!

American leaders (including O) are supposed to be representing the best interests of AMERICAN CITIZENS and LEGAL IMMIGRANTS rather than tripping over each other to sell out the American worker (whose opportunities and rights are being devastated-- hitting poorer and working class Americans the hardst and disproportionately impacting minorities). Instead, the fools in office now (namely O, for whom I voted in '08 but not in '12) are engaging in this pandering display in favor of the ILLEGAL FOREIGN NATIONALS, their offspring, and their insufferable advocates!

Pledging rewards and special treatment incident to immigration lawbreaking now is the WORST WAY to demonstrate a commitment to enforce our immigration laws in the future. Reagan's 1986 Amnesty is Exhibit A, evidencing the fact that rewarding ILLEGALITY only serves to further incentivize MILLIONS UPON MILLIONS MORE INSTANCES OF LAWBREAKING IN THE FUTURE? Indeed, a commitment to reward lawbreaking will only serve to engender more lawbreaking in the future and that will be followed by demands for special treatment for that lawbreaking-- JUST LIKE NOW!

The ONLY thing that is "broken" is our leaders' commitment to enforce the very laws they are legally duty-bound to enforce! We permit 1 Million LEGAL immigrants into this country each year (more than all other countries combined). The issue is NOT whether we choose immigration vs. no immigration. The correct issue IS whether the lawbreakers (the ILLEGAL FOREIGN NATIONALS) will be rewarded and granted special treatment for their lawbreaking!

A GOVERNMENT WHICH REFUSES TO ENFORCE ITS OWN LAWS IS INTOLERABLE!

KC in NC "Obama is the SMALLEST GOV SPENDER since Eisenhower:"

Thanks for the laugh.

In Bush's first 4 years (2001-1004), Federal spending was $8.326 Trillion.

In Obama's first 4 years (2009-2012), Federal spending was $14.115 Trillion, an increase of $5.788 Trillion (+69.5%).

TO ALL OF THE DISHONEST FOOLS WHO MAINTAIN THE FALSE AND INANE POSITION THAT ILLEGALS DON'T UTILIZE AMERICAN TAXPAYER FUNDED SERVICES AT A DEVASTATING RATE, please consider the following:

1. The Miami Herald, February 12, 2013 article entitled: $2 Billion Medicaid Program Helps Mostly Illegal Immigrants:

. . . During the debate over the 2010 federal health care overhaul, Democrats promised that illegal immigrantswouldn’t be among the 27 million people who’d gain coverage. President Barack Obama repeated that pledge last month when he outlined his immigration plan.

But while federal law generally bars illegal immigrants from being covered by Medicaid, a little-known part of the state-federal health insurance program for the poor pays about $2 billion a year for emergency treatment for a group of patients who, according to hospitals, mostly comprise illegal immigrants. Most of it goes to reimburse hospitals for delivering babies for women who show up in their emergency rooms, according to interviews with hospital officials and studies. . . .

2. The Miami Herald Editorial Board reported on February 14, 2010, and I quote:

Caring for undocumented residents cost Jackson $150 million last year, about as much
as it received from the voter approved half-penny sales tax.

3. Also, as posted on the LA County Leader Antonovich's website:

January 19, 2011 -- Supervisor Michael D. Antonovich released figures from the Department of Public Social Services showing that in November 2010, $53 million in welfare benefits ($22 million CalWORKs + $31 million in Food Stamps) were issued to parents who reside in the United States illegally and collect benefits for their native-born children in Los Angeles County -- representing an increase of nearly 3 million from November 2009. This amounts to approximately 22% of all CalWORKs and Food Stamp issuances in the County.

In 2009, CalWORKs and Food Stamp issuances to illegals totaled nearly $570 million. Based on the monthly figures in 2010, the total cost for the year will exceed $600 million.

"When you add this to $550 million for public safety and nearly $500 million for healthcare, the total cost for illegal immigrants to County taxpayers exceeds $1.6 billion dollars a year – not including the hundreds of millions of dollars for education," said Antonovich.

4. On April 3, 2011, the Seattle Times reported as follows:

As the state Legislature looks for ways to close a $5 billion budget shortfall, lawmakers are eyeing millions in cuts that could reduce or eliminate services used by illegal immigrants. Washington is projected to spend more than $300 million over the next two years on services illegal immigrants can tap, primarily welfare and health care for children, the seriously ill and pregnant women.

Washington state estimates it will spend more than $300 million over the next two years on services illegal immigrants can tap, not counting K-12 education. A breakdown:

$125 million on health care for 7,400 pregnant women ineligible for Medicaid because of federal restrictions.

$73 million on welfare for children. The federal government requires proof that the children are here legally, but not their parents. This program also can't be changed.

$59 million for medical and dental coverage for 25,000 children from low-income families ineligible for Medicaid because they can't prove they are here legally.

$24 million for kidney dialysis and cancer treatment for 1,300 low-income people ineligible for Medicaid because they can't prove they are here legally.

$15 million for in-state tuition subsidies for students who have lived in Washington for at least three years. The state does not check legal status.

$5.6 million in nursing-home care for low-income undocumented residents.

Big Al Las Vegas, Wow Big Al! Damn, big Al the race card! Big Al the moral compass of racism! Barack Obama is half white. Currently as you defend your "messiah" he is in Florida playing golf with another half white guy,Tiger Woods. And at the same time Barack's wife and daugters are skiing in Aspen? Big Al, it can't get any whiter than that! When you voted for Obama,Big Al, which half did you vote for? The white half or the black half?

Is my way or the highway. Another "leak" from the White House ,after Obama in The State of The Union speech urge Congress to pass Immigration Reform and path to citizenship with no conditions, no e-verify in place, no border secure in place, path to citizenship on sale for a few bucks.The fact is illegal immigrants do not need Citizenship to work and provide for their families, they do not need citizenship to travel abroad, they do not need citizenship to have SS benefits , but the most important , they do not deserve Citizenship in the first place and when they cross the border never was in their mind to be an American Citizen , so why such a hurry from Obama to give them citizenship. The most important difference from permanent Resident and Citizen is the right to vote , and what party has more Latino votes of course Democrats, Obama and Democrats do not care about Latinos, they don't care about the damages of the illegal immigration , they care about their vote only their votes. If we do not set the condition to make almost impossible for illegals to stay in this country, in a few years we are going to be in the same problem.

Obama 1st plan was a bust send as many as possible guns to Mexico's so they could kill each other off but 2 many Mexicans.

so now he just wants to make them citizen for the low wages for his rich GOP buddys lolol

And Mexicans are moving back to mexico due to the lack of jobs.

This president only wants to cripple America and he is well on his way to doing so. He does not care if the constitution is in his way or not he will circumvented the constitution just as he does every other time. This president thinks that all American's are bullies to the rest of the world and he will not rest until he crashes our economy; why can nobody see this. This is not the first time Obama has stooped to such a low level, but being from Chicago we should not be surprised. He has appointed a pedophile as the safe school czar, when around congress with appointments and broken federal law by killing American's suspected of being part of Al Qaida, but he forgot all American's are afforded due process, that is unless he says. This president is a tyrant and is turning brother against brother; all why growing the government to an unsustainable level, it is nice that nobody in congress or the president have to worry about sleeping on a bench or where they will get there next meal. It is the great socialist experiment that is going on the government wants to have everything while everyone else has nothing. Fu88 this president.

AngelicaS "TO ALL OF THE DISHONEST FOOLS WHO MAINTAIN THE FALSE AND INANE POSITION THAT ILLEGALS DON'T UTILIZE AMERICAN TAXPAYER FUNDED SERVICES AT A DEVASTATING RATE, please consider the following:"

You forgot to include about $7-10 Billion per year to incarcerate illegal immigrants convicted of 'serious crimes' in this country. They cost California alone over $1 Billion per year, and account for over 27% of ALL prisoners in the country - and these are serious crimes that actually result in jail sentences, not the petty things that usually get probation.

Anybody that claims that illegal immigrants don't commit a disproportionate percentage of the crimes is obviously wrong. They make up only about 4% of the residents in the country, yet constitute 27% of prison inmates.

Correct Roy (#1.32)! By no means was the aforementioned summary intended to be exhaustive! The facts are that ILLEGALS consume hundreds of bilions of dollars both for themselves (including for their other criminal activities) and for the support of their anchor babies!

Max from Scottsdale "Roy, You conveniently forget the Bush/Cheney wars, which went on their credit card, that Obama paid for"

I didn't forget ANYTHING. The total cost of the wars for those 4 years under Bush, and the RX for seniors WERE included in those spending figures, in exactly the same way they were included in the spending figures under Obama.

The total Deficits ('credit card debt') for Bush's first 4 years amounted to only $819.8 Billion ($205 Billion/yr).
The total Deficit ('credit card debt') for Obama's first 4 years amounted to $5,095.2 Billion (1,274 Billion/yr).

I can sympathize with the plight of the illegal immigrants, and their reasons for wanting to be here and try to better their lives. The thing I don't like is that they are here illegally and put our laws secondary to their needs, and then get rewarded by our government for violating those laws! It should be a felony to be here illegally, and we should actually have the penalties strictly enforced! They often are breaking multiple laws besides being illegal immigrants, such as driving without insurance, vehicles that aren't inspected or registered properly, due to their lack of money and again putting our laws secondary to their needs! This is done to the detriment of legal citizens of the US, who wind up being financially at risk because of this behavior! I won't even get into the aspect of money spent by our government to assist them in being here illegally!We already went through Amnesty , which wasn't supposed to happen again!

"Leaked" for a reason, same as the following:

• Doctor who lead us to Osama bin Laden
• Airfield which was supposed to be used by Israel for an air strike
• Yemeni double agent
• Et al.

Now, back to the "Crisis Management" mode.

Typical of Mr. Obama and this administration.

Max from Scottsdale "Then on top of it all Bush/Cheney gave the farm away by giving BIG tax breaks to big business for shipping our jobs overseas and BIG tax breaks to the rich. It's a wonder we didn't suffer more than we already are. How can anyone continue to support this GOP platform?"

Let's see now - For the 5 years before the Bush tax cuts (1999-2003) the total Federal Revenues were $9.479 Trillion, but in the 5 years AFTER the Bush tax cuts (2004-2008) the total Federal Revenues were $11.533 Trillion for an increase in revenues of $2.054 Trillion (+22%).

Gee, I wonder if maybe those tax cuts generated much more total revenues IN SPITE of the lower tax RATES, because of a dramatic increase in economic growth (despite the bad effects from 9/11) from consumers having more money to spend?

Of course, the liberals would never admit that those Bush tax cuts worked as planned, would they?

I find it humorous that liberals insist that the Bush tax cuts could not have created economic growth, but at the same time claim that the end of the Bush tax cuts for the middle class would have 'devastated' the economy. Somehow, I don't think logic is one of their 'long suits'.

We don't need reform - we need enforcement. With MILLIONS of American Citizens out of work why are there still illegal immigrants here?

Roy - right on brother!

Great lesson we are teaching our children. If you don't believe in our current immigration policy it is okay to to ignore it. Rich liberals will then reward all the people that trespassed illegally because they were doing it for their families.

Whether the laws should be changed or not is one issue, but the current law has been the same for many years and is still be trampled on. I don't believe we should arrest all of the illegals, but they shouldn't be rewarded either.

Can't we help by giving work permits instead of full citizenship?

Big Al In Vegas you disgust me... of course we would expect nothing less from Vegas to love a Prez who spends oer $100K an hr on our dime to go golf with Tiger Woods.... The last of the big spenders... of our money that is. God knows someone is doing it. It sure isn't us. This president sickens me, I don't think there could be a bigger HYPOCRITE in the nation or a bigger group of lying opaque administrative (is that what they do NOT) slackers in the history of our country. This guy could go live with Hugo Chavez and we wouldn't miss a beat. No President or first lady in our history has blown more tax dolars on personal luxury than these two socialists, welcome to Russia 2..

Roy, Thanks for your reply. But would you provide a link (to a credible source) for your numbers? I know you'll say anything to try to put Obama in a bad light but you are wrong, my GOP TP friend.

Here is one link for you to read. This report is from 5/2012 and shows a $5.1 trillion cost for Bush/Cheney policies from 2001 to 2009 and $983 billion cost of Obama's policies through his first four years. They don't jive with your numbers do they.

For the last 12 years we have been living under the GOP passed laws that gives Big Business and the wealthy all the big tax breaks while the poor and middle classes hope to get the "trickle down". How has that worked for us? These policies caused the 2nd worst depression the US has ever had. Why do you still support these policies? Why would anyone?

This is just like Obama Care, no input from the republicans. The KING has spoken. I WILL make an executive decision and all you peasants be damned if you don't like it. Where is the due process that once was part of our constitution? Obama is making a mockery of the presidency.

I believe Bush already did that...

Here is the link to support the numbers I told you about. It didn't take the first time.

If these numbers are true that means the argument you, and the rest, try to make is silliness and childish. Face the facts. The GOP has lost their agenda because it clearly doesn't work!

The reality behind Obama and Bush's 'spending binge' - The Washington Post

Everyone against amnesty for illegals needs to go to www dot numbersusa dot com and take action through their action board. It's the most effective way for our side to get the message across.

Whoever posted that biased Forbes article needs to read the meat in it. Obama has the lowest INCREASE in spending since Eisenhower. LOGIC tells us that an INCREASE is using the current expenditure and then ADDING to it. So NO he is not the cheapest president since Eisenhower but rather still the BIGGEST spender.

The new and simply message that needs to be spread nation wide and be up held by all of our elected officials. ******DON'T SUPPORT...DEPORT******

This nation does NOT take care of it's own legal citizens!!!! Americans in need are ineligible for many programs and services because all those dollars are going to illegals. Billions are spent annually pay for uninsured illegals visits to clinics and ER's for all manner of ills and childbirth. Billions are spent housing illegal criminals in our jails and prisons and billions more spent to support their families while they are jailed. A great number of these illegals refuse to l earn the english language, refuse to honor and respect American customs and totally disrespect American laws. Why can illegal get behind the wheel of an unregistered/uninsured vehicle with NO drivers license while DRUNK, wreck, kill and maim legal citizens then NOT GO TO JAIL OR GET DEPORTED?????? Vote out the SOB polls who pander to these criminals solely for their votes. It's time AMERICANS TAKE BACK AMERICAN GOVERNMENT!!!!

***DON'T SUPPORT, DEPORT NOW!!!!****

I think the leak was made to divide the Bipartisan committee so he could bypass congress again and DICTATE his will on the American people again

President Barack Obama’s draft immigration proposal is nothing more than a backup plan in case Congress fails to produce comprehensive legislation of their own, a White House official said Monday.

That sounds like a DICTATOR! Sorry Mr. President, you work for US, not the other way around!

fedup That is the way it should be, but is not. Obama just makes Excutive Orders and we jump.

When is this C@CKS&CKER going to work on the economy and quit playing

the smoke and mirrors game with his stupid droids?

He diverts to guns then kissing mexican booty, I'm glad he got in his

photo op with the Sandy folks.... Yep he flew in and gave them a friggin phone

number.......... What a stupid POS!

I have a much easier solution to the Illegals.

DEPORT THEM ALL.

Obozo? Are you LISTENING to the American People.

THAT is what the majority of taxpayers in America want.

Congress/Senate? Do you want KEEP those cushy jobs you have?

Start paying attention to the American voter.

That's solved.

Now get working on the budget and getting people working.

Obama II - off to a grand start!

Leaks - corruption continues to rise to the top - like a turd in the toilet

Gas prices - astronomical for a February

Food prices - rising (tried buying beef or poultry recently)

Taxes - increased - and more to come

Unemployment - oh no - up again?

"We got a little more work to do" "Can't go back now"

Barack and Michelle - on separate vacations - no money issues when you're on the tax payers dime

What economy problems?

Nice!

One of those senators, Sen. Marco Rubio, R-Fla., said Obama's bill repeats the failures of past legislation and would be "dead on arrival" in Congress.

"It fails to follow through on previously broken promises to secure our borders, (and) creates a special pathway that puts those who broke our immigration laws at an advantage over those who chose to do things the right way and come here legally," Rubio said. "It would actually make our immigration problems worse."

Isnt that the goal? Bankrupt the US sooner than later?

His name is Obama. He is our President. He is listening to the majority. The majority want immigration reform. The majority want gun control. The teaparty needs to listen to the majority. The republican party thinks they know more than the majority.

Mexican government officials must have a grin from ear to ear right now. Last time they got amnesty for about 3 million. This time it might be over 10 million. They are probably already making plans on how to efficiently dump more of their peasant population in America and thinking about the money they will save in welfare cost and the tens of billions of U.S. dollars that will be sent back to Mexico. What a fantastic deal this is for them. They are probably planning private parties to celebrate getting rid of their unwanted peasant population and getting paid to do it. What a deal!

And of course, ROFLTAO at the silly Americans!!!

Wow, Bush got no respect from the left, yet you want all to respect B.O.!

Every President deserves the respect of the office. Maybe not the person, but the office of the President deserves respect. In reality, most of those who disrespect any public figure is doing so mostly out of political policies, not because of any genuine dislike. And before all the naysayers weigh in, please remember, how many of the posters on these forums know any big public figure personally? No, people don't like the policies, and that is where the disrespect is directed.

rgrandpa; not sure what majority you are talking about, unless you are talking about the majority of fools, because the majority of American citizens do not want gun control or the allowing of Criminal border crossers to be allowed to stay in this country.

The majority of Americans want odumbass and moochelle to quit spending the taxpayers money like it is their personal money!!!!! The majority of Americans want odumbass to quit making up lies to support is flawed agenda! The majority of Americans want odumbass to do something to put actual Americans back to work! The majority of Americans want odumbass to do something to lower the cost of living!!!

I know that most of you ignorant libs think or should I say fantasize that you speak for the majority but, you do not!!!!!!

So- let me get this straight. We lower middle class folks are expected to pay for health care, 'dream act' educations, welfare and food stamps for 11 million more people who committed a crime, while our own kids have to go into decades of debt to go to college, eat the generic food we can afford, and our seniors (who paid into social security their entire lives) are going to get robbed of their medical care? Welcome to America! Looks like its time to move.

good example of selling out our country to mexicians. this is the 3rd or 4th time in my life span that congress and the president has made citizians of illegals. It will never stop, because the Gov does not care about the US!!!!!!!!!. ANYTHING FOR VOTES.

So, no one on the left liked Bush's policies, but everyone is required to like B.O.'s policies?

President Barack Obama’s draft immigration proposal is nothing more than a backup plan in case Congress fails to produce comprehensive legislation of their own, a White House official said Monday.

I wonder how long it took them and how much debate went on to finally decide to put BO's name on it? At first it was the White House's plan.

I really feel bad for the American people. I think that a vast majority of Americans can agree that we need to seal the border before we create any other legislation dealing with those that are already here illegally. Unfortunately both parties see the opportunity to nail down future voters while looking past the legal US citizen voters that are here now. Seal the border and implement a serious e-verify program with criminal penalties for employers who knowingly hire illegals. Illegals will self-deport over a few year period. Then we can talk about reworking the legal immigration system. A bucket on the floor doesn't fix the hole in the roof.

If that was true why didn't Bush have 1+ Trillion dollar deficits for 8 years? Why did the debt raise 4+ Trillion under Bush over 8 years but has gone up by 4+ Trillion under Obama in less than 5 years?

Bush and his cronies CAUSED the excessive deficit.
It's like the blue-haired little old lady who swears she's never had a car accident. Right. But how many has she caused?

Leaked plan is a backup if Congress fails to act, yeah right. Obama is only transparent when his administration is purposely leaking information, and this leak is setting the stage for Obama to derail immigration talks in favor of blaming Republicans again. Obama has no interest in any immigration bill that Republicans support, his only interest is being able to blame them for no bill passing. So far Obama has been a dishonest negotiator who moves the goalpost when he gets what he claimed he wanted, and then he runs to the podium to blame Republicans. This is just setting the stage for yet another rerun. Obama has proven totally inept at getting anything done, he simply has no ability to negotiate or compromise, and he certainly cannot lead. But the blame game has been Obama's only success, and when something works you stick to it. Apparently the nation is getting a crash course in the quality of character it takes to be a community organizer.

RChoice

Can't we help by giving work permits instead of full citizenship?

Yes, illegal immigrants do not need citizenship and do not deserve it ,they only need legal documentation, Work Permit or Permanent Residence if they qualify. Granting with citizenship to illegal immigrants is a reward for violate our immigration Laws, because those people will be able to bring their families and relatives to this country. Legal immigrates have to wait more than 5 year to come to our country with a Permanent Resident Visa , they have to pass back ground checks, health test, vaccinations and many more , but illegals don't. If illegal immigrants get path to citizenship like Obama wants, this will be an slap on the face of law abiding immigrates , to the fairness of the legal immigration and will make a joketo the fundation of our immigration system and border security. By the way the majority of countries do not provide citizenship to babies from illegal immigrates , this is another loophole that need to end.

Obama has proven totally inept at getting anything done, he simply has no ability to negotiate or compromise, and he certainly cannot lead. But the blame game has been Obama's only success, and when something works you stick to it. Apparently the nation is getting a crash course in the quality of character it takes to be a community organizer.

Rick: Have to agree with you there. But what can you do when the intelligence of the President was already questioned by his failure to show us his college grades? It shows thinking wasn't his strong suit to begin with. Had he been born a different color, I doubt he would have been president.

Bottom line is the President will pass this whether you like it or not. He needs to fulfill his vows he made to the special interest groups that the govt. will support them ( in whatever way you think that means). He allowed his aunt and uncle to stay in the country, even though they were illegal so of course he is already swayed toward that point.

Obama is all about amnesty. So do you think Obama would support a provision in the bill that would prohibit any amnesty recipient from being able to vote in any election for 25 years? They came here illegally, why is that not a fair provision? After all, the Obama push for amnesty has more to do with whom he feels they will vote for then anything else.

If that was true why didn't Bush have 1+ Trillion dollar deficits for 8 years? Why did the debt raise 4+ Trillion under Bush over 8 years but has gone up by 4+ Trillion under Obama in less than 5 years?

Because Bush loved his "funny money" games. Do you really think his budget contained ALL the spending he did?

Let's just look at the national debt under his administration:

end of 2000 - debt = $5.7T

end of 2001 - debt = $5.8T +$100B

end of 2002 - debt = $6.2T +$400B

end of 2003 - debt = $6.8T +$600B

end of 2004 - debt = $7.4T +$600B

end of 2005 - debt = $7.9T +$500B

end of 2006 - debt = $8.5T +$600B

end of 2007 - debt = $9.0T +$500B

end of 2008 - debt = $10.0T +$1T

end of 2009 - debt = $11.9T +1.9T

After he and a Republican-dominated Congress got started, Bush never ran below 1/2T added to our national debt. In 2009 (Bush's last budget, signed into law before Obama ever took office, ended on 9/30/2009) added a whopping $2T to our national debt! Obama hasn't come close to that number!

And, as you can see from the numbers above, Bush started with $5.7T, left with $11.9T, which means he raised the debt by $6.2T!!! NOT $4T

KC I see you are using the growth between Bush's HIGHEST budget & Oblamer's spending. The way I see it is tha Oblamer is spending MORE each year than Bush spent in any year.

I think most people believe that the day a President takes office, the budget is their responsibility. It's not the case. It's like a freight train, ever press the brakes and it stops instantly? Nope, it keeps going. Partisan politics make it easy for people to dump everything on President Obama but it's just not the case.

That being said, he could put more effort into lowering the deficit.

Nothing this administration does is an accident. This was leaked for a reason that they carefully calculated. My guess is that by floating a plan that Congress would never pass, the president sets himself to once again be seen as the hero of "the people" who wanted so much more for the people than the "evil congress" was willing to give. I can hear him now... "While this plan falls well short of what we would have hoped for, I am willing to compromise and believe that it's a step in the right direction." And once again, the evil republicans in congress will have kept the benevolent Barack Obama from taking care of all the little people. He is becoming way too predictable, but the media and the masses keep falling for it.

Max from Scottsdale - Roy, Thanks for your reply. But would you provide a link (to a credible source) for your numbers? I know you'll say anything to try to put Obama in a bad light but you are wrong, my GOP TP friend.

I would assume that you would consider the White House's data as credible: http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/budget/Historicals

EEngineer That took Bush 8 Years OBlamer has done the 6 trillion in 4 years. He has yet to let the stimulus go away from the BUDGET. Why do we need to keep spending 800 BILLION dollars when he says the economy is on its way back up. The only thing I see is the GOVERNMENT helping out its BASE. I have not seen any help from this stimulus money thrown around by this administration. When is this administration going to help those of us that need the help.

That 2 trillion dollar budget deficit was VOTED for by the DEMOCRATIC HOUSE & SENATE. had the 800 Billion added to in it.

EEngineer – Your numbers are a little off and if you look at budgets you have to do so under Fiscal Years, which run from October to September. The deficits are as follows:

Republicans control both the House and Senate

• 2000 $236,241B Surplus
• 2001 $128.236B Surplus

Republicans control House and Senate evenly divided

• 2002 $157.758B Deficit
• 2003 $377.585B Deficit

Republicans controlled both the House and Senate

• 2004 $412.727B Deficit
• 2005 $318.346B Deficit
• 2006 $248.181B Deficit
• 2007 $160.701B Deficit

Democrats control both the House and Senate.

• 2008 $458.553B Deficit
• 2009 $1,412.688B Deficit
• 2010 $1,293.489B Deficit
• 2011 $1,299.595B Deficit

You should also remember that the only a continuing resolution was passed for the 2009 budget prior to President Obama’s inauguration and then the Budget was passed. You liberals should stop trying to pass off all of President Obama's and Congressional Democrats' failures as President Bush's fault. It just doesn't fly.

That 2 trillion dollar budget deficit was VOTED for by the DEMOCRATIC HOUSE & SENATE. had the 800 Billion added to in it.

A little history:

02/04/2008

President Bush sent the nation's first-ever $3 trillion budget proposal to Congress on Monday

10/3/2008

A revised version of the $700 billion banking bailout legislation was signed into law Friday by President Bush...

Naw, you can spin it any way you want but American voters know... nobody spent like Bush!

Bill lotsa numbers -

As I said, you can't trust Bush's deficit numbers. Take a look at the national debt numbers!

Bush ran as Republican, spent like Democrat.

Bush was a RINO. No other logical conclusion.

EE Lets get out the calculator, we will use actual FIGURES not %'s to easy to manipulate the figures using %'s Like this. I take over with deficit of 200 billion. increase it by 100% for the next 3 years. that would be 1.6 trillion by the 3rd year. Next person comes in they spend only 50% more than my last year, so they spend 2.4 then another 50% 3.6 then just a slight gain. 3.8 trillion dollars. sure I had 100% incease for 3 years. and the next person only had 50% for 2 years and .2% the 3rd year. who spent MORE.

3.0 trillion deficit for my 4 years. if you have the slight gain the next person would of had over 12 trillion in deficit.

Republicans oppose the President's initiatives and attempt to block their passage so that they may accuse him of not keeping his campaign promises.

But don't you know. If they have to start blaming Obama they will start to realize all of his faults. And well they will feel like morons for voting for him not just once but twice. Now lets get back on topic.

They are going to run background checks on these people. So does that fact that they crossed the border ILLEGALLY count against them. I think the punishment for crossing the border ILLEGALLY should be one year in jail. Not absolution. THEY BROKE THE LAW. They should not be absolved from their crime. Why is their crime any less of breaking the law then say stealing a car?

Obama promised to absolve law breakers so he could get elected President. And you Liberals fell for it.

What law is Obama going to abolve people for next? Murder? Rape? Child Abuse? Sounds funny doesn't it but who knows I never thought I would see the day.

Why do Democrats keep blaming Bush when bush has been out of office for more than 4 years? When will you guys finally realize that Obama is to blame for this?

I was just reading the LA Times this morning and came accross this passage from the article itself:

For his part, Obama has said he would not submit his own legislation to Congress so long as lawmakers acted "in a timely manner." If they failed, he said, "I will send up a bill based on my proposal and insist that they vote on it right away."

11 million?? Do you understand that number?? Anything above 2 million is unacceptable. 11 million undocumented immigrants which mean to say that their identities are unknown, and possibly have been tampered with (are they terrorists?).

Obama plans to encourage more border-crossing from his proposed bill that is what he really meant about this so-called bill...more border-crossing to support political patronage, and they're pouring in as we speak!!!

Green card in eight years should only be reserved to those who underwent inspection, and have a valid reason to be here in the U.S. There is nothing wrong about our immigration laws, they just happen to have not been implemented through the decades, because of political pandering and corruption, that's why we the citizens have been dealt this problem in the first place. If the bi-partisan efforts fail, who cares? We did not ask for these illegals to be here, but now that politics have taken center stage we are obliged to pay for illegal immigration out of our own taxes. Deportable aliens should be deported. In regards to the President's proposal, it's plain and simple AMNESTY which is coined in the phrase "path to citizenship."

Too much free loading is wrong for the country--a lesson that the White House must learn. But of course I know they will disagree.

Invisible Hand...Interesting. Do you also remember when the Democrats hijacked the Clean Air Act amendments under Bush 1? They tacked on a tax increase so that Bush's campaign promise of "no new taxes" would not hold. Yep, the Democrats used clean air for Americans to breath as a pawn to score political points.

So yes, the Republicans have an excellent role model in the Democrats.

Why do Democrats keep blaming Bush when bush has been out of office for more than 4 years? When will you guys finally realize that Obama is to blame for this?

So, by your logic, nothing is every someone's fault if it's been more than four years? We should have let Osama bin Laden go because by 2006, 9/11 was already more than four years ago?

Render unto Obama that which is Obama's and render unto Bush that which is Bush's.

So, no one on the left liked Bush's policies, but everyone is required to like B.O.'s policies?

Let's see...President Bush's policies left us with the worst recession in a generation. President Obama's policies fixed that recession and is now returning us to growth.

President Bush started at one unnecessary war, forgot why he had started the other ("I don't know where Osama bin Laden is.") President Obama finished the job and is ending both wars.

The problem is that the Right keeps thinking that facts are a matter of opinion. They are not. Sure, you can argue with facts, but reality won't care.

Naw, you can spin it any way you want but American voters know... nobody spent like Bush! - EEngineer

There is only one little problem with your statement. What the President requests is usually ignored by the House, where ALL spending legislation is created. After Bush requested $3Trillion, the Democratics (who had majorities in BOTH the House and Senate) sent a budget to President Obama (H.R. 1105) in March 2009 that amounted to $3.5T. Two months after Bush left office. Now which party spends more?

"As we speak, bipartisan groups in both chambers are working diligently to draft a bill, and I applaud their efforts," Obama said. "Now let's get this done. Send me a comprehensive immigration reform bill in the next few months, and I will sign it right away." The White House official said the focus "remains on supporting the congressional process" and that after the draft became public late Saturday, members of the administration reached out to senators on both sides of the aisle.

If the president truly supports BIPARTISAN efforts at immigration reform why is he sticking his nose into the process? If he wants to be a part of the discussion than he should sit down with senator Rubio and the other senators, in front of cameras and have a good old fashioned debate. He won't of course because he is a coward. Romney exposed the depth of his ignorance and lack of statesmanship in the first debate.

Mr. Obama reminds me of the loud mouth who trash talks in a bar and then hides under the table when a fight breaks out. Of course when you have Air Force one at your disposal, you instead get to fly off to Florida for a round of golf with Tiger Woods while your lackeys obfuscate your true motives to a compliant press.

I have friends who have waited OVER 20 years to LEGALLY get an immigration visa to come to the US. This plan allowing illegals to get their citizenship ahead of the huge number of people around the world who have been waiting to do it the right way is a travesty!

I've made a petition (link below) at Whitehouse.gov addressing this very issue. I would very much appreciate any who can take a few minutes to go to their website and sign the petition.

http://wh.gov/v13w

Grandpa-2986035

"His name is Obama. He is our President. He is listening to the majority. The majority want immigration reform. The majority want gun control."

The majority did not want Obamacare, the majority wanted the mental heath system fixed, and the majority does not want amnesty. Obama is listening to the money not the majority.

Everyone against amnesty for illegals needs to go to www dot numbersusa dot com and take action through their action board. It's the most effective way for our side to get the message across.

Me gustan los demócratas y el presidente Obama ... yo y mis hermanos y hermanas a votar por nadie más que el partido democrático a partir de ahora!

This is america....speak english, please.

Sorry...I don't SPICK Spanish.

eg.Itum

If you are would at least attempt to interpret what PRober wrote, he was being facetious.

Speaking of the shoddy work done as far as constructing border fences, the largest wall that I have seen is right at the border crossing in Naco, AZ. They have the border patrol checking vehicles going in and out of Mexico there; who in their right mind will cross right where there is a congregation of agents? What is humorous is watching the adults leading their children with their backpacks by the hand on the pedestrian walkway across the border from AZ into Mexico at 3:30pm; no one even looks at them.

@ Dave

Nice but you forgot the biggest one of them all and it totals almost as much as your whole total.

GE ( General Electric) has $215 billion overseas accounts alone. you know Buffet the one telling Obummer what to do..

And now Facebook will not pay taxes this year but will get $429 Million in returns. WTF

Yep Obama is on top of it.. LOL

"At a hearing on his nomination, Republicans blasted Lew with questions about his investment in a fund linked to the Cayman Islands and his time at Citigroup, especially a $940,000 bonus he received just before the bank got a taxpayer-funded bailout."

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/02/13/us-usa-congress-lew-idUSBRE91C0B120130213

Same Cayman's Obama blasted Romney about, minus the bonus from Citi Group of course.

Repeat after me: Obama is hypocrite. Obama is hypocrite. Obama is hypocrite.

You have no facts of your assertions. Why don't you wait to see the various versions of the bill as to details and then you can opine on the facts as you see them rather than the ones your are currently making up and passing along as facts.

B70732oC: Isn't that what Nancy Pelosi said about the Health Care bill - We have to pass it before we can read and understand it? We need to read and understand any immigration reform and what it will do to the LEGAL immigrants and how they will be spit on, stomped on, and generally ignored, BEFORE we give ANYTHING to the illegal aliens that have invaded our country.

NMEast

She had an actual bill. You don't have the Senate version or the Executive version. So, you really have nothing to comment about yet. That was not the case with healthcare when Pelosi made that statement. Now, you do have the right to discuss what you think should be in an immigration bill. Any thoughts you care to share, or you just want to criticize something that does not exist yet.

So she had an actual Bill. Her words were,"We have to pass it to see what's in it." The stupidest words uttered by any politician of any party. Their job is to know what is in a bill before they decide to pass it or vote it down.

So NM East is at least curious to see what is in the proposed Immigration reforms before he decides whether he is for or against them. What a novel concept to some in this country.

Voting for any Bill without knowing exactly everything that is in it is dereliction of duty at best and should be grounds for removal from office. Otherwise what the hell purpose do they serve if they don't bother to know what they are voting for or against. But then I guess that knowledge isn't required if your vote is bought and paid for ? Which should be considered direct evidence of guilt of Bribery.

Other equally logical statements:

We have to drive to town to turn the headlights on.

We have to give him/her a Medical License to see if they can be a Doctor.

We have to hire someone to see if they can do the job.

We have to spend the money for it so we can see how we'll pay for it.

Get the idea ? Not a good way to do business, not a good way to run a country.

Nancy Pelosi's words will go down in infamy.....as some of the most stupid words EVER spoken. Did anyone notice how those words were completely ignored by the left leaning media.....as usual.

Everyone against amnesty for illegals needs to go to www dot numbersusa dot com and take action through their action board. It's the most effective way for our side to get the message across.

nancy dribbles on and they keep applauding her. unbelievable, just vote for it we will see whats in it later. she says, the thing that scares me the most is that the left seems to think there is nothing wrong in what she said, why? she is and always has been an idiot .

Pretty good assessment, I think. You called it, B707.

Basically it's a trial balloon. Clinton was famous for sending out trial balloons to see if what he wanted was popular. Forget the character of a true leader where you hold a conviction that what you want is the right thing and you push for it with well-reasoned arguments.

Misdirection. Reminds me of the lines from Swordfish:

Gabriel: Have you ever heard of Harry Houdini? Well he wasn't like today's magicians who are only interested in television ratings. He was an artist. He could make an elephant disappear in the middle of a theater filled with people, and do you know how he did that? Misdirection.
Stanley: What the f... are you talking about?
Gabriel: Misdirection. What the eyes see and the ears hear, the mind believes.

Obama is a master at misdirection.

Me gustan los demócratas y el presidente Obama ... yo y mis hermanos y hermanas a votar por nadie más que el partido democrático a partir de ahora! Gringos conservative el stupido! jajajajaja!

This is America.....speak english please.

PRober (Translation)

I like the Democrats and President Obama ... I and my brothers and sisters to vote for anyone other than the Democratic Party from now! The stupido conservative Gringos! hahaha!

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Which is exactly why the 14th Amendment needs to desperately be repealed or rescinded.

It's not about jobs folks, for the umpteenth time. they have another agenda. Google Atzlan. Rescinding the 14th will stop illegal immigration dead in it's tracks. Guaranteed.

eg; all prober is saying is how great and wonderful obama is for the mexicans who have illegally entered into the USA and how glad he is that both him and all of his criminal border crosser buddies voted for obama!!

Like most criminal border crossers he does not think he should be required to speak english, he thinks that obama also needs to mandate that all of the USA citizens must learn to speak spanish also!!! That way all of the criminal border crossers will fill more at home!!!

Hey CO,

As you probably. know, the President can not do a lot of things on his own in the way of writing and passing laws. Let me ask you this. have you heard the plan that Sen. Marco Rubio has worked on, and the plan that President Obama has worked on, this being the immigration bill. I can not see any light between them. So what is the issue here ? You are totally correct, this IS total madness and the Tea Party is politically at fault. The Democrats are NOT near prefect, by no means. But the Republicans scream when the President doesn't come up with a plan and throw fire when he does ! Is it because they can't been seen as working with Obama. The one President that is so hated by the extreme right wing and other nuts. That the Republicans are so afraid of Norquist, the NRA and so on. That they can't been as working with him and if so they will lose their seats ! You tell me, because I am not seeing why, other then the color of Mr. Obama's skin or the fact he wants to do his job by "Serving the American People, in doing their business". I pray it is not the former. And they get the latter done, before we are ALL done !

You missed the boat. I am a Republican and not a nut case. I want the government branches to work the way they were intended. That doesn't mean that President Obama can do what he wants. If he doesn't like something he throws out a bill and jams it down the throat of the American people. Such as, the healthcare bill. Wow, is everyone now finding out what was really in that bill!!. Peel away the favors for all the votes in the bill that doesn't pertain to healthcare and you end up with garbage that we, The People, will pay for and get nothing in return. This is why we have branches of government to work together to put together a bill that is good for most. Obama just shoots at the hip and throws something together to prove he is working. After he puts the bill together, he leaves to go golfing for 10 days. It is the lack of leadership and the fact that he feels he can do anything he wants and if you don't like it he don't care. Remember what he said, He is the President, he won and he calls the shots.

Yes-656574 is just showing all of his hate towards those who do not just love his precious obama!!!

The biggest haters and bigots in the USA are those on the left!!!!

They only believe in Freedom of speech for themselves and they seem to think that the Constitution was meant to be changed to meet their agenda and only their agenda!!!

Hey Yes-656 You say:

But the Republicans scream when the President doesn't come up with a plan and throw fire when he does ! Is it because they can't been seen as working with Obama. The one President that is so hated by the extreme right wing and other nuts.

The reason the conservatives on the right are "screaming and throwing fire" is because this little dictator wannabe has proven to the world that he believes can force his ideals onto a nation of citizens half of whom firmly stand firm against his bullying. His attitude is that if Congress won't give me what I want I'll issue a directive and dare them to over rule me.

Kathy at #20.2 and garrie #20.3 have caught on but no one from moderate left to far left has a clue to what this man is up to. Sad.

BLAMO! that was funny! This is the new world order! We get ONE branch. No, you don't get fries with that.....

Barry's most consistent voting block; the residents of Chicago Rosemont Cemetery. They are so into the democratic process that they also voted for Kennedy and Slick Willy Clinton. This excludes the unions, welfare recipients, GBLTA whatevers, and previously nationalized illegals, of course..

But....not even the denizens of Rosemont could bring themselves to vote for Jimmy the Bean Carter.....

Who is this "Barry" you keep referring to?

President Barry, the christian who changed his christian name to a muslim name.

Theo...lotsofnumbers,

Wake-up man! Barry Sotoro (may not be spelled correctly) is the fake (okay, maybe it was his real name and Obama is his Muslim name) that Obama used to get free education at Harvard posing as a foreign student. Of course he has sealed all of his college records so that no one can verify anything now. The Barry name is the real and virifiable name that he did use at Harvard.

Theo just proved that he does not even know who he voted for, what else is new for libs!!!! ANd if he is a good lib he voted at least twice for his bud barry!

Baraak Hussein Obama's name before he converted to islam in college was Barry. It is customery for black men to covert their white Christian name to an islamic name because they beleive that their white chrisstian name is a name that was given to them as a slave name by the white man!!! MAybe theo should do a little research on that!!

There is absolutely no evidence that Obama is a Muslim or that he posed as a foreign student. If you have some evidence of that as you claim let's see it.

OK now I see. You're mired in all that birther B.S.

Nevermind. No reason to attempt to use logic or evidence with you.

Theo-3270314

"There is absolutely no evidence that Obama is a Muslim or that he posed as a foreign student. If you have some evidence of that as you claim let's see it."

From http://www.examiner.com

"Investigative reporter Aaron Klein, in World Net Daily, points out that a 2007 Associated Press photograph taken by Tatan Syuflana, an Indonesian AP reporter and photographer, surfaced on the www.Daylife.com photographic website showing an image of Obama’s registration card at Indonesia’s Fransiskus Assisi school. In the picture, Obama is registered under the name Barry Soetoro by his stepfather, Lolo Soetoro. The school card lists Barry Soetoro as a Indonesian citizen born Aug. 4, 1961, in Honolulu, Hawaii. His religion is listed as Muslim"

Me gustan los demócratas y el presidente Obama ... yo y mis hermanos y hermanas a votar por nadie más que el partido democrático a partir de ahora! Gringos conservative el stupido! jajajajaja!

No, tu es stupido por el votar por Obama por el presidente. Pobre Los Americanos!

The "leak" is a form of back door negotiation with Congress. If you think about it, it make sense. It's a big boy's game.

This administration has more leaks than a strainer. They leak every thing. There is no accountability.

That s why we are in deep sh-t. The President does not no how to negotiate or lead for that matter.

He will go down in history as the worst President. Worst than Carter.

I notice you didn't say worse than Bush because that's not possible.