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Subscribe to RSSSen. John McCain reacts to Gen. Martin Dempsey's written statement surrounding the deadly attacks on U.S. facilities in Benghazi, Libya.
Published at 1:55 p.m. ET: Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., sharply criticized Gen. Martin Dempsey, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, for not deploying U.S. forces so they could rapidly respond to the Sept. 11, 2012 attack on the U.S. diplomatic mission in Benghazi.
“It’s one of the more bizarre statements I have ever seen in my years on this committee,” McCain told Dempsey, accusing him of failing to place U.S. aircraft ahead of time at bases such as Suda Bay, Crete, where they could have reached Benghazi within 90 minutes on the day of the attack.
Given the threats and attacks on foreign diplomats in the weeks leading up to Sept. 11, 2012, McCain contended, Dempsey ought to have placed forces closer to Benghazi.
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McCain called Dempsey’s testimony "simply false" regarding U.S. deployments to deter or respond to an attack in Benghazi.
Dempsey “didn’t take into account the threats to that consulate—and that’s why four Americans died,” McCain angrily told the general. In the Sept. 11 assault on the facility, Ambassador Chris Stevens and three other Americans, Glen Doherty, Tyrone Woods and Sean Smith, were killed.
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The Arizona Republican also contended that “it was almost predictable” that “bad things were going to happen in Libya” in the weeks leading up to the attack because the fledgling government was too feeble to maintain control of the country – and he blamed Defense Secretary Leon Panetta and President Barack Obama for not deploying a strong U.S. military presence in the country to help keep order.
For his part Dempsey told McCain that “we never received” a request from the State Department to place forces closer to Benghazi to be poised to respond to an attack on the U.S. diplomatic facility.
“So it’s the State Department’s fault?” McCain asked.
“I’m not blaming the State Department,” Dempsey replied. But he said he was concerned on the day of the Benghazi attack about an array of possible assaults on U.S. facilities not only in Libya but in Afghanistan, Yemen, Sudan, Pakistan, and other locations in the Islamic world.
Dempsey, along with Panetta, was testifying Thursday before the Senate Armed Services Committee.
Senator Saxby Chambliss criticizes the job that Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff General Martin Dempsey did to help protect the American citizens killed during an attack on U.S. facilities in Benghazi, Libya.
Panetta told the panel there were two short-duration attacks that occurred six hours apart. “We were not dealing with a prolonged or continuous assault which could have been brought to an end by a U.S. military response,” Panetta said.
Both Dempsey and Panetta said the best situation would have been to have had U.S. forces on the ground before the attack to defend the facility.
Two other Republican members of the committee, Sen. Kelly Ayotte of New Hampshire and Sen. Lindsey Graham of South Carolina, pressed Panetta and Dempsey on how many times they directly briefed Obama on the attack on the day it occurred – the answer was once.
Both Ayotte and Graham implied that Obama ought to have asked more questions and been more involved in keeping apprised of the events in Benghazi in real time. On her Twitter account, Ayotte said while the hearing was in progress, “POTUS outsourced #Benghazi response.”
While the attacks were underway, Graham asked, “did the president show any curiosity about how is this going, what kind of assets do you have helping these people?”
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Panetta replied – citing his experience a former White House chief of staff, “The purpose of staff is to be able to get that kind of information and those staff (members) were working with us.” He added, “The president is well informed about what is going on.”
Graham also questioned Dempsey about Ambassador Stevens’s Aug. 15 cable warning the State Department that the facility in Benghazi couldn’t defend itself if it came under attack. Dempsey told Graham that he was surprised that Secretary of State Hillary Clinton did not know about that cable.
U.S. Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta reflects on the government's response to the September attacks on U.S. facilities in Benghazi, Libya.
In his testimony, Panetta said the Department of Defense and U.S. armed forces “did all that we could do in response to the attacks in Benghazi.” He explained that “armed UAVs (unmanned aerial vehicles, or drones), AC-130 gunships, or fixed-wing fighters with the associated tanking – you’ve got to provide air re-fueling-- armaments – you’ve got to arm all the weapons before you put the on the planes” -- were not in the vicinity of Libya.
He said that even if he’d been able to deploy F-16 fighters or AC-130 gunships over Benghazi in time, “the mission still depends on accurate information about what targets they’re supposed to hit. And we had no forward air controllers there” and no communications with U.S. personnel on the ground.
He said, “because of the distance, it would have taken at least 9 to 12 hours, if not more, to deploy these forces to Benghazi. This was, pure and simple, -- in the absence as I said of any kind of advance warning -- a problem of distance and time.”
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Defense Secretary Leon Panetta testifies on the attack on U.S facilities in Benghazi, Libya before the Senate Armed Services Committee Feb. 7, 2013 in Washington, D.C.
He explained that “unfortunately there were no specific indications of an imminent attack on U.S. facilities in Benghazi. Without adequate warning, there was not enough time given the speed of the attack for armed military assets to respond.”
In his testimony Panetta also warned about the effects of the automatic spending cuts – called sequestration - that are mandated by the 2011 Budget Control Act and are set to begin on March 1.
“If Congress fails to act and sequestration is triggered, and if we also must operate under a year-long continuing resolution (keeping spending at last year’s levels), we would be faced with a significant shortfall in operating funds for our active forces with only seven months remaining in the fiscal year,” he told the committee. “This will damage our national defense and compromise our ability to respond to crises in a dangerous world.”
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SECSTATE should have read her ugrent emails from Ambassador Stevens and notified the Panetta. Ambassador Stevens sensed immediate danger and should have been adequately protected. Panetta's response circumvents transparency. Sad.
Panetta, you could have pulled those people out of there.
TO: Maran8th8 who wrote:
Bush is the one who admittedly didn't read any of this Presidential Daily Briefings either before or after we were hit by terrorists, except that afterwards he had them read to him.
Moving on....... Really still comparing Bush to this mess?????? Obama, Clinton and Panetta put up a snow screen and everyone knows it. More of this administrations Transparency and Change
How did we know this would be President Bush's fault? We will find out about Libya, Fast and Furious and the drones that are being used illegally after this administration leaves office. More to come I am sorry to say.
American Girl-724855: Whether the assertions about former President Bush are true or not, I would submit that SECSTATE testifying she did not read any of the urgent emails from Ambassador Stevens totally amazes me based on the 45 years I have serving in and with the military. A four-star general would be summarily out the door if he did not read urgent emails from his wing commanders and people died.
TO: Wyo2 who wrote:
Republicans keep bringing him up. If you can't stand to hear Bush's name anymore than the best thing to do is to quit trying to blame the things that Bush did on other people.
Whether you ike it or not doesn't matter, the fact is Bush is the one who failed to read his Presidential Daily Briefings, and even after we were attacked he STILL refused to read them but did have them read to him.
Now if you want switch that around and lie and pretend that Hillary did that, well then I'm going to have to speak up.
TO: dogs80 who wrote:
It's kind of Republicans way of living in denial.
American Girl-724855: Sadly, SECSTATE is on record in her testimony before the Senate stating exactly what I said: She never read the urgent emails from Ambassador Stevens.
They did all they could considering there was an election coming up and didn't want to scare all the low information voters!!
Murderers!!
American Girl-
then said...
Actually you are the one who brought up the subject of Bush in this post. If you're a repub then you're correct in saying repubs are always bringing up the name; if you're a dem, then I suggest you examine why you're pointing fingers at someone who isn't currently the potus and living in your own form of denial.
american girl
it doesn't matter what bush did. It is really stupid to try and justify a wrong with another wrong. The benghazi killings are all on this potus no matter what. How can you even think it makes it ok since bush did it? If anything this potus should have learned from bushs mistakes thats how it works in the real world. Honestly you sound like a 5 year old trying to put the blame on someone else.
Setting the "urgent" emails aside, lets look at the pattern of attacks in the months prior to that fateful day. Time and again our defenses were probed & tried. When the last government security contingent was pulled (against the written will of the ambassador), the enemy knew their cake-walk was complete.
This goes much further than that single day and positioning of "help" on that single day. This was political in nature because the new Libyan government did not want American troops in their ground in ANY capacity. To make the Muslim Brotherhood happy, we did as they asked - in spite of repeated probing (well known to America, and testified to before congress) by an enemy bent on making a statement.
All this adds up to why this matter is much different than past attacks on American interests. We knew there was a recent history of MANY problems. We ignored repeated requests for additional security. Even though the rest of planet Earth was calling this attack what it really was within hours, BHO continued to lie for days as they stalled for time & came up with a semi-credible plan to "CMA".
Yes, just like they moved heaven and earth to find out what happened when over a dozen embassies were attacked and dozens killed between 2001-2008. Oh, wait... never mind.
New Vine?
I disagree. The Pentagon did what they were told to do, not all that they could do. Panetta is a useless has-been politician. Remember, "At this point, what does it matter?"
fearing public opinion on the existance of al queda after claiming they were desimated the obama camp decided they had to delay the truth until after the election. hillery went along with the conspiacy cause obama is gonna be her biggest supporter in four years. obama knows the msm will agree with anything he says and they did . hook line and sinker the msm fell for a video and out of control demonstrators killing an american ambassador on american soil. obama even had the maker of the movie arrested. since hillery would only go so far with the lies susan i'm a dumbass rice was suckered in with the reward to be secatary of state. oh and fox news and romney had it right from day one while obama was blaming a video two weeks later.
GTR
Panetta has served his country faithfully for the best interests of America. Your derogatory remarks about him reek of sour grapes. If Bush had had this quality of adviser during his first term, we would have continued to allow the UN inspection team in Iraq to continue its search for WMD which potentially put our invasion force at great risk. Instead, we foolishly rushed to invade without knowing the full story of Saddam's WMD.
TO: okie58 who wrote:
Of course it matters! If he hadn't f-ed up so many things it might not have mattered so much, but because he did screw a lot of BIG things, and he did force the country and the American People into the 2nd Great Depression, it DOES in fact still matter to a whole lot of people who were hurt, and remain hurt, by the things Bush and his Republican Administration did or didn't do.
Panetta is just another LIAR for this failure of an administration. The lapdogs will drink this swill from the watering hole -- the taxpaying Americans will see it for what it is -- another lie to protect the empty suit in the WH. Sorry doggies your boy toy is a TOTAL and inept failure -- but then those of us that didn't vote for him the second time around knew this.
Again, the GOP is making something out of nothing at best and at worst are showing their unpatriotic need to make political hay out of an American tragedy. The GOP knows, no shame. George W. Bush got away with ignoring the signs of an attack on the W.T.C. where over 3000 died, then he started a war where 4000,and absolutely no uproar from the right. Matter of fact they endorsed it. Then make up lies to make it sound almost like Obama/Clinton planed the attack, they got nothing. and there was absolutly no uproar from the right. People that take jobs in the foreign service knows the danger. Shame on you, you right wing, wing nuts.
There are 4,000 Americans that died as a result of that Lie Called the War in Iraq, which I've never heard McCain condemn, but I have heard McCain making jokes about McCain's plan to bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb Iran.
McCain -- Selective outrage. Mad about 4 dead, not mad about 4,000 dead.
So many awful things have happened over the past few decades, and this is the issue that Republicans have decided is the most important in their lifetime? (That IS how you're acting.) I wonder how many of you were just as outraged over the Iran Contra Scandal? You know, where Americans were purposely harmed for political gain? Oh that's right - none of you "recall".
Hey kids! It's "litmus test" Thursday!
The attack on the Consulate in Benghazi where 4 brave Americans were killed, was;
A) A tragedy that perhaps could have been been prevented, but must be learned from or it will surely be repeated.
B) A cover-up "worse than Watergate" that deliberately misrepresented the true facts for political gain.
C) An Attack initially mistaken as part of the 9/11/12 Koran movie protests, that turned out to be a planned action by a group loosely affiliated with al qaeda, that has been misrepresented for political gain.
TO: Dotties girl who wrote:
Well, that's just what Republicans do, that's just how they are, you can't stop them.
Yep, Penyetta has had enough time to consider "response" options.
Just keeping the same old Obama administration's theme on what happened.
After all, Mrs. Clinton, and other administration officials, just wants America to "Move On" and forget the incident which resulted in the deaths of an American Ambassador and three others since it WILL HURT HER if she even considers a Presidental run in 2016 with her age, medical problems, and total lack of leadership abilities as SofS. Just ask Clinton's Chief of Staff if anyone can find her in the mire of the ME Arab Spring.
Clinton NEVER did the HARD work required of an effective SoS. To her the appointment which the Clinton mafia blackmailed Obama into giving her was simply four years of globe-trotting at taxpayer expense seeking photo-ops with foreign dignitaries. If the motivation (beyond conceit and a sense of entitlement) was to burnish her image for a 2016 run she has shot herself in the foot (and her fat azz). It is a pity that Obama was prevented from nominating his first choice for SoS - General Colin Powell.
At least she has gone and I hope stays gone. Air miles account for NOTHING and that is what her tenure achieved - NOTHING.
American Girl has a limited opinion... Blame Bush (and Republicans) for everything! Meanwhile Barry big ears and Mooshell fat butt are robbing the bank, our bank!
Opinions without valid facts are just gossip little girl!
Hey Steve, I see by your avatar that you are fair and balanced. NOT. A.G. happens to be right, IT IS BUSH'S FAULT. You stinking fascist won't face the reality that Bush is probably the worst president in history and Obama will be consider one of the best for cleaning up the mess BUSH made.
This old crackpot McCain really needs to find a retirement home someplace. He's really becoming pathetic and sad. What is this fool trying to prove.
American Girl epitomizes the libbies' intelligence. "Because the other party F'd up, that justifies evry F up of the current president."
Four years into the obama administration and American Girl is still trying to blame the obvious failures of her idol on others.
Forward >
This is why we are in this mess. Obama can do or not do anything and the absolute fools on the left think its great. Why? He is the worst President in history. He has done nothing to better the Country but the low life's take pride in him. Clinton and Obama could care less about anyone who serves this country. That is evident because of Benghazi. And you twits and nitwits want to hold them in high honor. This is whats wrong in this Country. Ignorance is held in high esteem with the liberals.
McCain suffers from acute "redass". Lindsey ain't handling him right any more. Lindsey may have found someone else.
Mosh
McCain may be all you say. But he is still way above Obama on any scale you chose to judge them with.
McCain may be all you say. But he is still way above Obama on any scale you chose to judge them with.
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How about electoral votes?
TO: rukidding47 who wrote:
No, he's snot.
To the best of my recollection...the emails were never classified as 'urgent' by the Ambassador but that word sure is getting thrown around a lot here.
If someone could provide a credible link I would appreciate it. Some may believe it's purely a case of semantics but I disagree. If the emails were not classified as 'urgent' by the Ambassador then I can see as to why it was not immediately brought to Clinton's attention.
If John Mcain had been elected President we would probably be in the fourth year of World War III.
TO: If not us, Who?....If not now, When? who wrote:
No, I just drew the line and decided not to get started arguing with a person with such a filty mouth, and so that I wouldn't start calling your momma a biotch.
I'm just trying to be a good girl, and keep it clean. I have my opinion, and you have yours, which is nothing to get angry about. Freedom of speech and all, you know.
Benghazi was a tragedy, but there have been far worse. Republicans keep trying to make this into something that it is not, and we aren't buying it. Where is the outrage over the lives lost in Iraq, which is far worse than 4 deaths? What about the committees to tell us how false 'information' about 'mushroom clouds' was allowed to start a war we should not have started? There are a lot of things to learn from, and Benghazi is just another one. And not even close to 9/11, Iraq, Beiruit.....
And frankly, McCain needs to take a chill pill. His fake outrage over what Susan Rice said on MTP is stale. The old coot needs to retire.
@ #1.42, Your avatar of a dumb blonde seems quite appropriate .... you have made a fool of yourself with irrelevant, childish arguments. Bush has been out of office four years now .... try to keep up !
But then again, you libs rely heavily on the blame game because Obama is incompetent.
John McCain is pathetic.
John McCain is America's first has-been hero. The opportunist who was captured and now thinks he has a right to be a jacka$$.
Its real easy to be a armchair quarterback McCain. You and your comrades were the ones who cut the funding for the security to protect these people so YOU are to blame. You have sat up there for days saying "woulda coulda shoulda" but you are looking more and more like a pathetic ridiculous old man who is full of hot air. You can spout all you want about what should have been done or what you would have done to who ever but it doesnt change the fact that you are still to blame. You chose to cut security funding to our overseas embassies and consulates so you could keep tax breaks for you and your buddies and thats the bottom line. The events of this incident started as an attempt by the GOP to blow it out of proportion and to make Obama look scandalous during the elections and now it has gotten out of ocontrol and you dont no how to stop it.
It was not a 'US diplomatic mission' - it was a CIA base. So the real question to me is why the CIA operation (the 3 others killed with Stvens: Glen Doherty, Tyrone Woods and Sean Smith all worked for the CIA) was not better protected by their own contractors?
http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2012/11/02/US-officials-CIA-ran-Benghazi-consulate/UPI-44771351839600/
It is insane to act like this is the worst thing to happen in American History. This is not the first time a foreign diplomat has been put in danger, and, they know when they take them that they are dangerous jobs.
Yet the right wing while it keeps getting lower and lower in the national polls for the idiotic things they say about their fellow Americans, the President and others who have dedicated their entire live to the service of the people.
You are losing all credibility Conservatives! You do not give two squats about the lives of those people killed in Benghazi. You just want something anything, that you can treat like a scandal about Obama. The "worst" President ever just got elected twice by over 50% of the vote 5 million on the popular vote. No one has done that since Eisenhower.
One more thing that you lie about all the time. Obama is actually lowering the debt and has government spending down by historic numbers. Now of course some of the credit for that has to go to congress but at least be honest about one damn thing you say.
Those that call liberals low information voters are the biggest idiots of all. We saw this President and we saw what you were offering and we chose this guy. Get over it and start acting like real people and maybe just maybe you will win a national election again.
McCain again - groan, sigh.............Does anyone remember the last time he made a positive contribution to any discussion? Will he ever stop this endless grandstanding?
Well said.
@ American Girl, no one brought up Bush. You were the one who brought Bush into this.
The big news is this:
Leon Panetta admitted that Obama was missing in action. Obama was out of the loop in everything during the 9/11/12 attack. Panetta had no contact with the White House during the hours of engagement at Benghazi.
And FYI, Bush had daily terrorist briefings while he was President. Obama does not.
dangerfield - We can learn from it so it doesn't happen again, but I still say it is C. Just me, but I try to look at things about national security without a polticial eye or political bent. I believe you do as well.
I also try to be consistent. Where I decried Bush on the Patriot act, I do the same with Obama's continuation of it. Where I decried Bush's civil right's abuses and torture, I am shocked at Obama's drone policy and its lack of oversight, not to say anything about its disregard of Constitutional protections for Americans. Most importantly I fear the precedent being made can have dire effects for future administrations.
As you have noted before, I find that the nature of (support of opposition) over the last week about this Drone controversy, is a litmus test. While some bring up salient ideas in its support others merely drone a party friendly line. I've made some posts against this policy, as have others, and while some have discussed it rationally. Others are said that we are aiding and abetting. What happened to the party of the big tent of ideas? A party welcomes D. Kucinnich and people that share his foreign policy brand of libertarianism so long as they didn't speak badly about their "GUY".
That is a problem, whatever side you come down on. Are people not able to calmly discuss an issue like this without flame throwers (verbiage and posters) coming out?
TO: If not us, Who?....If not now, When? who wrote:
Hum, I dunno. Is your mother a "troll"?
TO: Jo Ann-666954 who wrote:
Hum, the party of denial is still in denial.
Let us please put this much energy into what happened in Iraq. I have children who served there and will never be the same. How dare McCain act like that was fine and good, but Benghazi, oh yeah, that was the worst thing the US has seen in decades. McCain is a wretched loser that has been delegated to the lowest of the cry babies.
McCain, you may have been a war hero for getting captured and being held in brutal conditions for so long during the Vietnam War, but you've become a grandstanding royal pain in the ass driven only by partisan politics, and I'll be glad when you go away and are replaced by someone who is more American than he/she is Republican.
McCain is yet another stooge to the military industrial complex and Israel. He has sold his soul and his country to special interest groups. Plus... he turned into a very sore loser after his unsuccessful bid to be the President. That is why he tries to act like he is the top (stinking) cheese...
Sen. McCain, give it a rest. It is time for you to grow up and set aside your petulant anger about losing the 2008 election to President Obama. You are making a complete fool of yourself, and destroying the last remnants of your once respectable and admired public image.
And as regards your vaunted 20/20 hindsight, about Sept. 11, 2012 in Benghazi, Libya, ... Sen. you seem to be overlooking the fact that in addition to it being the anniversary of 9/11 in Benghazi that day, it was also 9/11 everywhere in the entire world, and it was 9/11 at every one of our country's more than 400 Embassies and Consulates.
Furthermore, following the attacks on Sept. 11, 2001, the result of which cost thousands of lives, you did not ask a single confrontational or probing question of any member of the George W. Bush administration about their failures to prevent those attacks despite mountains of intelligence and ample warning. Is it possible you have become just an aging, hyper-partisan hack? Never-mind, ....that was rhetorical. The American people know what you have become.
What would John McCain have done?
Ans: Crash a plane inside the compound and be taken prisoner.
Its worse because the twits blamed a video. They haven ever admitted they left them there to die. We had people wanting to save them and was told to stand down. That's why it is worse. You loonies on the left who refuse to see them as the traitors they are is just plain incompetent and shameful.
You are truely Pathetic individules.
Hindsight is political gold for the opposing party.
I'm sure glad all those newly minted republican budget hawks put their politics aside long enough to approve the funding for consulate security. Oh wait...
Apparently McCain thinks that our enemies in the middle East are incapable of striking us even on their home turf, absent a mistake or a scandal by our President or his cabinet. I guess this begs the question: if they are so weak that any attack they mount is a failure of our leadership, why are we at war with them?
Maybe these guys should stick with what they're good at and pass some more restrictions on women's reproductive rights. Dealing with foreign enemies seems a bit too much for them.
John McCain has lost his purpose while in pursuit of trying to fix the past. As HE spends more and more time and money trying to determine the fault of the Bengazi attack, he fails to discuss devise and impliment ways to prevent another attack and for progress.
Sorry John you are no longer a Solider, you are a Politician by your own chosing. The time has come to let the past rest and move on toward prevention and progress. It seems as you are in Battle again, stuck in a hole with no way out!
Yet you cannot change the past no matter how much you dissect it! TIME TO MOVE ON AND STOP WASTING OUR TAX PAYERS MONEY ON PAST ISSUES!.
American Girl,
You need to read the postings before you no one said one word about Bush until you did.
And Bush had the Dems votes to go to war so if you dumb dems did not want war than maybe you should have voted no on that war with Iraq.
So who is in denial and who is a liar do I have to say DEMS..
You really give me good laughs when reading your post you never have anything to say but Bush and Reps.
Some day you may wake up and say WTH...
TO: If not us, Who?....If not now, When? who wrote:
That's just a flat out lie and you know it.
Obviously Republicans have some memory of George "Curveball" Bush, at least enough to try to shift the blame of what Bush didn't do (read is PDBs) and attempt to wrongfully blame someone who IS doing their job.
I'm going to have call you out on your mother not spewing hatred because you certainly have called me a "b!tch" and a "troll" and you have spewed quite a bit a hate all in one day so far.
Sen McCain thinks that the military should be able to respond to embassies crisis world wide - our Military is not big enough to accomplish that.
Stupid statements from Congressmen, no wonder Congress approval rating is at an all time low.
McCain is apparently little more than a liability at this point.
As far as Benghazi, how long are we going to beat the ground where the dead horse used to be?
TO: lasertroll who wrote:
That vote was based on a pack of lies that George "Curveball" Bush and his Republican Administration cooked up in order to get an authorization to go to war including, but not limited to Condolessa "Mushroom Cloud" Rice.
Had those same people known the truth of the matter, no one would have ever authorized Bush to go to war.
I read the postings, and responded accordingly.
If this attack had occurred under Bush it would hardly have made front page news. Four people dying in a terrorist attack isn't a national tragedy. Well over 3000 dead on 9-11 and 5000 dead looking for WMD because Bush had a dream Saddam had some and his destruction of our economy were the real tragedies. It's actually interesting that after 4 years under Obama the best slam the right can make about Obama is he failed to prevent an attack that killed 4 people.
Someone needs to tell McCain to go home to Arizona and reminisce about crashing planes in Vietnam, making bad jokes about Iran and his most momorable moment of nominating Snow Snookie to be his veep in 2008.
Maybe some one will name a plane crash after him.
Will McCain never just shut up?
Is he that pissed that he wasn't nominated for a post in this administration?
He doesn't understand they lost the election, and he is no longer relevant.
Here's a suggestion John next time attend the briefing, not a talk show, then you'll get all the information others got in real time.
rukidding, youare so right! Liberals are quick to dismiss ANYTHING that one of them does wrong and just attack the Republicans as a way of policy. No talking sense to any of them or trying to explain logic to any of them,they all have blinders on. IMPEACH THE SUMBEACH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
OMG, we're in a war with an enemy group and they attacked us! How is that possible? It's a scandal! Who can we blame?
Do we really need to remind republicans that war is dangerous business, that people in war zones can get hurt? Oh, how the mighty have fallen.
I've read many of the posts...I think there is a kernal of truth in each of them (except, why bring up Bush, he doesn't have anything to do with this). The bottom line is that 4 Americans died. In addition, it seems there wasn't much we could do about it. Sure we could have put boots on the ground in Libya, but where would we get them from? The places where we moved them from would suffer loss of protection. Then when the terrorists strike them, the same Senators would be asking why did you take the troops from Morocco, Tunesia, Egypt etc. The Pentagon and the State department have huge resources, but they don't have unlimited resources. Dempsey said he could have repositioned the aircraft carrier, but he was worried about other sensitive areas.
So, we can raise taxes and buy more aircraft carriers. We can increase our military personnel. Is anyone out there thinking that we should raise taxes to buy more firepower? Sure, maybe our leaders, civilian and military made a mistake, but honestly, we have the best military minds in the world. If you toss them out for making a tactical mistake or messing with their publicist, where are you going to find replacements?
Questions ---Why do we have troops in Korea, Germany (all over Europe) and many other places. Do we really want to put troops in Syria? On the other side of the coin, do we want to let Yemen or Maly become terroist haven/training grounds? And what about that a**hole in North Korea? He wants to target the US mainland with ICBMs/nukes.
I don't know the answers, but I do know it is lot more complicated than why didn't we save the 4 guys in Libya?
fu*king CHICKEN HAWK republicans....you want more war, sign up your own kids, CHICKEN HAWKS!!
Can these people actually expect us to have military forces everywhere that there is a possibility of unrest? If so, do they not understand that such universal deployment of our troops requires funding? Republicans seem to want the benefits of civilization, but they don't want to pay for them.
I agree with Kevin Q. If we had universal service, we'd have a lot less war. Let's go back to the draft (with women). I was poor in 1966...ended up wearing green. My friends who could afford to stay in school got their degrees and started their lives four years before I did.
we were lied into 2 wars period. the never said who hired those terrorist did they. there is alot more than meets the eye on this one. was it not mccain who said we need to give them gun's. instead of rushing to judgement keep watching this unfold. sometimes what you see is not what it is. there is a group that wants to start another war and they are in this country. so lets take mccains words why did they not send troops there lol. why to start a war. we know when troops go in they dont come out. then it gets bigger and bigger. and what about the other embassies that were under attack or where there was protesting. again il ask who hired the terrororist. who did bin laden work for during the russian invasion in afganistan. remember charlie wilsons war. they were created by the us and world for the us. who created this group. and its the same thing we did with sadam he was a us asset and his weapons came from us. so again il ask who hired the terrorist
Heartlight3,
I not sure they want civilization...I'm thinking they want their businesses protected.
I love the childish bickering here. Idiots either condemning or defending the same actions depending on who perpetrates them. Same sh-t, different piles. Bush? Obama? McCain? Clinton? Panetta? Graham? Pelosi? Boehner? Has anyone noticed that it matters not which of the twin social clubs is in charge the same sh-t happens? Ron Paul was right. This country has already tanked and is beyond help. We get the government we deserve.
McCain is trying to look strong and forceful for his re-election....What he looks like is an angry mean spirited little man.......What is Lindsay Graham?.....He seems confused.....What Congress should be doing is making sure this never happens again....But they are doing what they have been doing since President Obama won....trying to find something to tear him down...Les démons seront toujours les perdants....Here's a suggestion.......Just do what you were put in Congress to do....
McCain needs to take a look in the mirror and point the finger at himself for not telling the truth and covering up his own fiascos....
http://factcheck.org/2008/09/mccains-plane-crashes/
As far as Bush killing Americans because of his abandoning troops in Afganistan and creating false intel for for war profits and his personal glory ...the tally of dead and dying vets goes higher every day.
22 vets commit suicide every day and the republicons vote against and block job bills for them.......
Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeldt, Rove,.......... the gift that keeps on giving.......unfortunately!
ttcanny.
Amen!! Did you watch Graham during the Hagel hearings? When it finally came his turn, he had ants in his pants he was so eager to get the stage. Twisting around like a young child waiting for her turn at getting a piece of cake.
Things really work out great for Monday Morning Quarterbacks like Johnny McCain and friends.
Ambassador Stevens had the option to move to another location to sleep that night, and refused.
He was part of the CIA operations going on in Benghazi, and made the decision to stay.
It is indeed relevant to bring up the comparison of the Bush Admin. ignoring intel, which led to over 3000 Americans dying on US soil, vs the State Dept and Stevens being in a position that led to the deaths of 4 Americans on Libyan soil.
Those of you who refused to assign blame to the Bush Admin. for 9/11/2001 in NYC, yet are now blaming Obama for 4 American deaths on foreign soil in a country that isn't yet stable.....
are HYPOCRITES.
Stevens should have left, if he thought he was in that much danger.
And if you are going to blame Obama for those 4 deaths in Libya, then you better start blaming the Bush Admin. for over 3000 American deaths in NYC.
your crappy two party corrupt, greedy system aside, here's a thought!!! Why the F-ck do we have any troops, delegates, embassies in any of these countries, why are we trying to make friends with these people, MONEY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! All about the money, the fact we as a planet could be oil/gas free but no we continue to put people in harm's way for money.
And the kicker is, we don't see a dime of the money. Boogles my mind how anyone can keep voting for the repubs/dems. If you think your party is better, take a good long look at your party then because it's not. Turn off the news, start looking with your own eyes and ears, hear and see what is going on. Change needs to come, but it won't happen with a dem/repub run system. Plain and simple they don't want to fix the problems we have they make to much money doing it.
American girl:
I love your revisionist history lessons. You absolute proof of some lame meme you read about Bush not reading his daily breifings or something. blah blah.. You are naive to think that Any weapons Saddam did have at the time weren't hidden or shipped out to neighboring countries. But really, stop being such an air head. I realize Obama is your Messiah and can do no wrong, you do realize that he has outspent the previous administration by trillions right?. i know, he had to to fix Bush's messes right?. yup got it. He has rammed health care mandates down our throats, despite the majority wanting no part of it. There was no other president that could have or would have handled the 911 incident better than Bush did. Despite Liberal screams and a whole lot of story telling, times were prosperous during Bush's terms. Taxes were low, government wasn't so all up in people's business. Things have not been pretty since Obama took office and after 5 years in office, tell me, is there anything Bad that has happened that you don't blame Bush for. Are you seriously going to say that Obama has been near perfect and has not made any blunders at all?. Obama is the one who will go down as the presisent who destroyed the America we know. His spending will continue to cripple the middle class and his outright giveaways to illegal's, gays and any other fringe freak show is making our country into a pair of clown shoes and a laughing stock.
It is sad to watch a once great man like McCain melt down like he has been. I have rarely agreed with his politics, but always held him in high esteem. Aside from being a war hero, he has repeatedly in the past shown great courage while he bucked the republican Establishment and called them out when they were blatantly on the wrong side of history. But now alas, he has become anangry, bitter old man who bends in the breeze like blade of grass. His resentment for losing to Obama is palpable. He has turned in to a typical Republican war monger. His bizarre defence of the Iraq war is borderline delusional, and it has forever tarnished his now diminished legacy. He will die ignominiously with a clinched fist, spewing incoherent gibberish about how we didn't start enough wars. Truly sad.
In the history books the moment Karl Rove ran with his unhonorable idea that he could use the tragedy for political gain.
Unhonorable from the git go. IN THE HISTORY BOOKS. Honor does not reside in the party. Still.
Ask McCain why he voted against funding for more security at our embassies? Ask him why he chose to gut the requests by the President, giving him only a third of what was asked for? John McCain is NO hero. He went to zero a long time ago. The rest of the Republican party is going with him. I can't wait.
Libs, kindly STFU about what Bush did or did not do; it has absolutely nothing to do with Benghazi which occurred 4 years after he left office.
What we have here is a textbook example of ineptitude. We have a CINC who provided no leadership, and SecDef, SecState, and JCS Chairman not only refusing to accept any responsibility but also aiming the blame at one another.....how pathetic. But, this is what you folks voted for, so good luck for four more years....and God keep us from a major threat crisis with these idiots in charge.
UNAMERICAN troll If you had an education you would KNOW that the intel that Bush used came from a source that had there own agenda. The DUMBORATS bit on the same intell as Bush did. So get a CLUE and quit your LIES.
You are the FIRTS to bring up Bush on this blog. So you are the IGNORANT one that thinks it always the Republicans that bring him up. I have NO problem with G. Bush. He was a good president, the Senate and House sure FU CK ED up our economy. Mainly Dodd & Frank they are the ones that drew up the Financil & Housing rules that FU CKED the rest of us Americans. If you would GET OFF YOUR HIGH HORSE and look up OBAMA VS Citibank You will find that he sued the bank to give out a mortgage that the people could NOT afford. That is how the whole crisis started. Do some research and find out for yourself do NOT believe me I am an Independent. I am NOT one of the sheep following your IGNORANT leader & believeing his LIES.
Angry old man shouts at cloud, Again.
I am at least happy about 2 things.
Firstly, Liberals wear their liberalism with pride.
Secondly, Conservatives still wear their conservatism with pride.
And I am happy about this because we need both Liberals and Convervatives to keep our balance.
steve-1962
Obama vs. Citibank (well, it wasn't even Obama vs. Citibank, was actually Buycks-Roberson v. Citibank Fed. Sav. Bank) wasn't a case about someone being to poor and being denied a mortgage. It was about mortgage redlining (which is a no-no in the financial world). Redlining is a practice where you shut someone out because of where they reside.
Let's say you take a city, we'll call it Anytown, and in Anytown, the south side of town starting Main and to the city's edge has a lower income than the north side of town. If you systematically deny the people south of Main street for loans simply based on location, that is redlining.
The plaintiff in this case also happened to be black and used that as part of the claim that discrimination was evident in this case.
Obama was a Junior Attorney in this case. The primary attorney was Fay Clayton. This is public domain and can be quickly researched.
Then again, this may be a case I hear about repeatedly since I work for a financial institution and it's often one that's brought up for examples of both redlining and overt discrimination.
Here is the bottom line....McCain is NUTS...he is a dangerous psycopath and is a wanna-be warmonger like his buddy Dubya...get him out of there!!!
Didn't get to hear much of the Senate questioning of Panetta but I did recall that Panetta stated when asked the question of when the President was notified and what was his response. I believe Panetta said he informed the President at their regular meeting around 5 pm on the date of the attack. He further stated that the conversation about Benghazi lasted about 15 to 20 minutes. He also stated the President told Gen Dempsey and Panetta to do what was necessary to protect Americans. According to Panetta Obama asked no questions or followed up.
This is a lack of leadership on the part of this President. One would think if there is an attack on an American facility the President would show more interest. I would expect at least the following question: "what forces do we have in the area, and are they ready to deployed and what is the time line for deploying military forces?"
McCain...doddering old coot...
Obama and Billary both had prior notice of that attack . It was in the local news paper two weeks before for Christ sake. Thwese two are resonsible for those four Americans being killed. Obama is rtesponsible for murdering many more with his drones. If Impeachment proceedings are not brought aginst hist traitor then we are in real trouble as a country governed by our Constitution.
@AmericanGirl: WHAT???? Typical Demo-rat still blaming G.W. Bush for Bo-Dumbo's adminstrations scew-ups!!
To all of try do to the Bo-DUMBO point the finger at someone else, WHAT DOES IT MATTER Bo-Dumob's adminstration scewed-up and the demo-rats still point try and blame this of G.W. Bush??
HEY G.W. bush left office 4 years ago!! The Libya failure is ALL on Bo-Dumbos adminstration!!
@Larry, actually most are more upset about him doing nothing when the attack was reported and the call for help was ignored.
You too, yanked from Retirement. Most that never Served in the US Military, the 92% of US Citizens, don't believe that happens.
I don't know how you have made it to 45 years, I am over 30 years.
After the initial Article 32, followed by the Congressional, it would be "Prisoner" at the Leavenworth Disciplinary Barracks.
American Girl-724855,
Discuss things you KNOW about, Newsvine is NOT your personal Blog to dump your Opinions on, or start Name-Calling.
From President Obama's 2013 Inaugural Speech:
http://nbcpolitics.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/01/21/16626094-obamas-inaugural-speech-the-full-text?threadId=3650897&commentId=73569137#c73569137
Newsvine's "Get Smarter Here" is a Forum for Adults to Discuss Facts, not a Blog for Opinions.
From Newsvine's Code of Honor:
http://www.newsvine.com/_nv/cms/info/codeOfHonor
FACTS:
The Director of the CIA Bush, later President Bush (41), built up the US Intelligence Agencies to become the Envy of the World after the Fall of the USSR and KGB.
President Clinton (42) believed that the Cold War Era US Defense, US Intelligence Agencies, US Military were no longer needed;
So President Clinton (42) as Commander In Chief Ordered the Chopping of the US Defense Budget;
President Clinton Gutted the US Intelligence Agencies that resulted in the US being Blind and Deaf to the Events leading up to the 9/11 2001 Attacks, per Bipartisan US Congressional 9/11 Commission (Committee) Investigations, Findings and Recommendations, with former President Clinton saying, "I'm a so sorry";
President Clinton (42) Cut to the Bone Reduction In Forces (RIFs) of the US Military, resulting in President Bush (43) taking from 2001 to 2003 to rebuild the US Military to accomplish President Clinton's US Policy Overthrow President Hussein in accordance with President Clinton's US Law, H.R.4655, "Iraqis Liberation Act of 1998" Section 3 US Policy Overthrow of President Hussein, Section 2 Findings (Justifications) Weapons of Mass Destruction.
President Clinton's 1998 State of the Union Address aka Overthrow of President Hussein, Weapons of Mass Destruction, US Support of the Holy Warriors of Islam at Bosnia Speech. Read all pages (2):
http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/1998/01/27/sotu/transcripts/clinton/
The result of President Clinton's 1998 State of the Union Address (demand). President Clinton's US Law, H.R.4655 "Iraqis Liberation Act of 1998", that became first 1998 US Military Operation Desert Fox with the Result of the US Condemned as the Great Satan, Osama Bin Laden starts planning the 9/11 2001 Attacks against the Great Satan at the same targets of the 1993 Fiirst World Trade Center Bombings:
http://209.157.64.200/focus/f-news/1057063/posts
Other US Military Operations or Agency pertaining to President Clinton's US Law H.R.4655:
1998 Operation Redacted, US Military Attached to the CIA's SAD/SOG hired hundreds of thousands of Shia (Illegal Aliens from Iran) at Iraq to Overthrow Sunnis President Hussein. Due to the President Clinton Gutting of the US Intelligence Agencies, the previous local Iraqis intelligence assets that were no longer US funded had become Iraqis Counter Intelligence Agents, Iraqis Military Intelligence, Iraqis Law Enforcement (Iraqis Secret Police) and were waiting for the US to attempt something, so the hundreds of thousands of Shia Iraqis were easily captured, tried as Traitors, executed, and dumped into mass graves; President Clinton spun this to "Dictator Massacred His Own People".
1998 Operation Desert Fox. President Clinton as Commander In Chief Ordered Airstrikes and Cruise Missile Attacks of the Crowded Urban Areas of Baghdad, as it was President Clinton's belief that by attacking the Iraqis Political Leadership there would be no one left to negotiate the step down of President Hussein. The over 1.5 Billion Islamic Believers of the Islamic World condemn the US as the Great Satan. Osama Bin Laden starts planning the 9/11 2001 Attacks against the Great Satan in retaliation for thousands of the Poor Islam murdered in the crowded urban areas of Baghdad, photos of the poor of Islam women holding their dead babies or young children.
http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=Bill+Clinton+Bombs+Iraq&view=detail&mid=3918D79F06532036A0093918D79F06532036A009&first=0&FORM=NVPFVR
Routine explosion at apartment complex for the poor of Islam at Baghdad, Iraq, President Clinton as Commander In Chief Ordered 1998 Operation Desert Fox.
http://www.bing.com/images/results.aspx?q=operation+desert+fox&form=MSNH14&pq=operation+desert+fox&sc=8-20&sp=-1&qs=n&sk=#view=detail&id=F817F59FE80D68A2B5AC8F70BB7778C9EA44BDB2&selectedIndex=93
http://www.newprophecy.net/Desert_Fox__1.jpg
We knew how many died at each of the apartment complexes, numbers of floors, numbers of apartments per floor, one occupant per apartment as "Boots on the Ground" performing Target Damage Assessments; but not allowed to do Targeting, President Clinton as Commander In Chief Ordered preselected Targets. One Cruise Missile hit a Iraqis Government Building resulting in a US Military USAF FAC (STT) being relieved on the spot.
2001 Operation Viking Hammer, the Elimination of the Al Quada, Taliban, Islamic Jihadists chased from Afghanistan in October 2001, to Northern Iraq, combined with the Kurdistanis PKK, HPG, KGK and became Ansar Al Islam; the common LIE, "there were no Al Quada at Iraq" until after 2003 Operation Iraqis Freedom.
http://www.usnews.com/usnews/news/articles/041018/18excerpt.htm
2002 Operation Hotel California, the Strategic Operational Feint to make the Iraqis Political Leadership believe the main Attack would come thru US Ally Turkey.
https://www.cia.gov/library/center-for-the-study-of-intelligence/csi-publications/csi-studies/studies/vol.-54-no.-2/operation-hotel-california-the-clandestine-war.html
Of course 2003 Operation Iraqis Freedom directly from "Iraqis Liberation Act of 1998" of President Clinton (42).
And we (few) survivors from the above do NOT tell you "War Stories" for self gradifications, we tell you so that maybe you will survive to replace us. As of the almost thousand of us that were of the US Military Training Teams to US Ally Iraq during the Iran Iraq Wars, rotated to Operation Cyclone, only a few dozen of us have survived the Operations since then to now.
And just like before, American Girl-724855, your denial after I posted "Quotes" (President Clinton) correctly attributed format and not "Plagiarism" (false accusation), your saying that you "did not want to read all of that (President Clinton's 1998 State of the Union Address, and H.R.4655 Section 2 Findings) crap", while still defending your partisan politics.
Others on Newsvine that want to know DID read all of that "crap". Making them more aware and educated of the Documented Historical Facts.
And do you know why you and most others MUST NOT believe the baloney stated in the article about the US Military Forces, calculate the distance from Italy (the US Military Forces of Operation Odyssey Dawn) to Libya:
http://www.centerforcommunitymapping.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/Libya-Crisis-Map-Center-for-Community-Mapping.png
Where do you think the Unarmed RQ (Drone) came from; instead of an Armed MQ (Drone), same with where the USAF Special Operation Wing (SOW) three (3) AC-130 could have been sent from (still loaded with ammunition since Operation Odyssey Dawn). With Terminal Guidance performed by the Ex-USN SEALs of the US Ambassador using Laser Designators.
Yes, "sfcret", everything you wrote was indeed true! Although, after receiving the 15-20 minute briefing, and basically telling his boys to "handle it", he did have the time to chat with Netanyahu for a full hour, but just couldn't find the time to follow up with anyone in his cabinet. This is not only a screaming lack of leadership, it's outright irresponsible.
Panetta said, though he did meet with Obama at a 5 o'clock prescheduled gathering, the president left operational details, including knowledge of what resources were available to help the Americans under siege, "up to us." In fact, Panetta says that the night of 9/11, he did not communicate with a single person at the White House. The attack resulted in the deaths of four Americans, including Ambassador Chris Stevens. Obama did not call or communicate in anyway with the defense secretary that night. There were no calls about what was going on in Benghazi. He never called to check-in.
That doesn't even fall under "phoning it in"! Must have been the Vegas lights swimming around in his microcephalus. I'm sure it was a dazzling show.
Avenger,
You must be a troll because nobody with any sense believes what you wrote. Impeachment - you're kidding, right?
The Benghazi Daily News is definitely a reliable source for the attack schedule.
I hope the US continues to kill our enemies with drones. I hope he steps it up. And don't give me that nonsense about American citizens and due process. These guys are in a war zone helping the enemy.
John McCAin should never have left Hanoi. We would all have been better off if he hadnt
Back to your cage johnnny....
David,
You have a nice set of facts intersperced with your opinions. But what does Clinton (or Bush for that matter) have to do with this news story...the killing of 4 Americans in Libya in 2012?
I'm not rooting for Dems or Repubs, both sides need to pull their heads from their 5th point of contact. But, your blaming the wrong party for this ressesion, it was actually a Dem bill that passed when Clinton was potus that caused the ressesion. It was a bill forcing banks to give a % of loans to low income poeple that couldn't afford it, when people couldn't pay it back, the housing bubble popped and started the resession.
As for the Iraq war (from differeant post), both Dems and Repubs was for the war, with HClinton and MANY other major Dem supporters even voted for it (Yet latter claimed they didn't, can't truelly lie, as their votes are on record). Thge Bush administartion was being pressured by the UN (where most of the claims of WMD where being stockpiled in a possible US strike), as well as both US parties and population to act on Iraq.
Blaming everything on a single party, when its common knowlage how the issues started, is a good way to look like a Troll, Fear monger, or someone that has no clue.
*** BENGHAZI WAS THE REPUBLICANS FAULT ***
Top Government officials appealed to the Republicans in congress numerous times to fully fund the embassy in Libya to ensure the diplomats safety, but it was like talking to a brick wall !!!
Oldman457..... we will see just how long it takes before drones are used here. The claims that an attack were not just in the papers over there there were many many communications recieved that there was goning to be and attack on 9/11. This was reported for a couple of days right after the attack took place then those stories were covered up. The constitutin of the United States doe notr give the President the power to execute an American citizen ... because of "suspected" treasonous hevavior .period. If they were to attempt to capture the people they suspected of helping AlQuida and they got killed in the process that would be a different story all together. At least the attempt was made to bring them in and put them on trial. To simply order a drone attack on an American citizen by an American citizen much less the President of the Unitied States is murder if not treason. I don't like Alquida any more that the next guy but we are a country of laws that govern our people and our government. With out them we have caos.
mc-3369497
Recall?
You wanna play recall?
You can spin this anyway you want but your boy-toys Kennedy and LBJ have the blood of over 46,700 of the 58,220 Americans killed between 1962 and 1968.
As far as your hero LBJ you should look up any relatives of his to thank them for what he did to us. LBJ broke the Medicare and SS trust so he could escalate the Vietnam war and make his friends rich. Brown & Root Engineering, Seacorp, Texoma Oil Company to name a few. Ann Richards, Lloyd Bensen, and an attorney named "Haynes" became multi-millionaires while more than 58,000 Americans died trying to give freedom to a country that didn't want it.
Is this Bush’s fault too?
Clinton embarrassed us around the world with Mogadishu (Blackhawk Down), Bosnia, Albanian “ethnic cleansing”, Operation Desert Fox,,,,
Incompetent Barrack Hussein accountable for 70% of the deaths in Afghanistan with no victory of any kind. Other than maintaining the poppy fields for his friends in the Middle East. Unsanctioned drone attacks to assassinate foreign and domestics.
I can play this game with you all day Spanky.
So McCain is upset that the military didn't launch a new war into libya? Great, three wars instead of two. the news guy in the video after the McCain comment said something to the effect that 'what are they going to do when it comes out the kids were killed by these drones and it's handed over to the hauge".
Really? about 400 thousand people died in Iraq from direct bombing and after effects of said bombing and this guy is talking about collateral damage? at least one third were children. Really? the 400k figure is from a Harvard study, that's Bush's school. Where all the smart people go.
The really funny thing is that the people complaining about drone strikes include McCain, the Aclu and some of you bloggers. So how does it feel to be on the same Side as the ACLU ? lol
Even Lindsey Graham supports the drone program. You guys are falling apart and so desperate to complain, you never stopped to give this any thought. Make up your mind. who do you support? the NRA, the GOP, or the ACLU?
To make this even more Bizarre, this is the first time I ever felt like the ACLU was out of their minds.
Strange days indeed momma, strange days indeed.
This is just more CYA by congress and the WH. Why no mention about CIA gun-running? Just more lies and cover-up.
Thank you David. If more people would just do some research first they would be in a better position to elect our Presidents and our Congressmen.
I hope everyone is currently keeping up on Agenda 21? Mr. Obama has already put people in place during his LAST term to help speed the process. Getting us all to move to the cities will be easy since he will simply stop permits that allow more building in the suberbs, increase taxes on those living there, as well as, make sure the gas prices go up by various means. One of those ways will be to increase the tax on gasoline at the pump, another to keep harping on "green energy", I could go on...but the point is, there are plenty of materials and researchers out there that are trying to warn us about the actual policies of the Obama Administration. Why do we keep fighting the people who are simply trying to warn us so that we can protect ourselves?
jim spence, none of it was Bush's fault. it was the Fault of people like you who put him there. it was your hate and arrogance that set the tone. It's you hate that makes this argument go on an on. acording to what i saw and read from this article, you are the minority in this arena and any other. the man said over 80% agreed with drone strikes. what the heck
add to post#1.107.
Update:
After refusing General Ham's recommended use of US AFRICOM US Military Forces during the attack of the US Consulate Benghazi, President Obama demanded General Ham's Letter of Resignation. Just like President Obama demanded the previous Letters of Resignations of General McKiernan, General McChrystal, etc..
The US Military Forces of US AFRICOM less than two (2) hours away by slow propeller driven C-130 or US Military Helicopters during the over 7 hour attack of the US Consulate Benghazi. Why do you think the Unarmed RQ (Reconnaissance Drone) instead of an Armed MQ (Drone) was able to get there before the over 7 hour attack was over.
Since most do NOT know (from experience, see definition of Fact below*)(Unclassified) an AC-130W or MC-130W can be used against a specific individual(s) in the manual "sniper mode" day or night with on board targeting. Read the last sentence of the link below:
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/aircraft/ac-130.htm
President Obama's previous Order to SOS Clinton "Low US Presence at Libya" after US Ambassador and LTC Wood requests for increased Security, since February 2011, of US Military not Libyan Security. SOS Clinton's "Funding was not the issue".
*Common Definitions from Dictionary.com:
Fact, noun
Steve-1962,
The financial crisis has been caused by many things and many people. And the common ingredients in all cases was greed.
The first mistake occurred in 1999 when the government repealed the Glass-Steagall Act of 1933. The Glass-Steagall Act prohibited any one institution from acting as any combination of an Investment Bank, and Insurance company, and a Commercial Bank. That mistake was fatal, and would have led to a financial catastrophy, even if no other mistake were ever made. Sadly, today, financial companies are still allowed to combine the 3 types of business activities.
In the second mistake, brokers engaged in fraudulent activities. For example, there was a program called 1 Million for a Billion at a prominent brokerage firm where a broker would buy 1 Billion Dollars worth of fictitious products in order to earn 1 Million Dollars in management fees. This essentially led to the company eating itself from the inside. By 2006, the company was a dead company walking.
The war in Iraq was another expensive mistake.
The outsourcing of jobs was yet another deadly mistake.
Once the big companies died and the jobs vanished, the housing bubble followed.
There are probably many other things that contributed to the financial meltdown. But I believe that these were the biggest.
I see the limp-wristed little Libbies are out of momma’s basement spewing their lies and deflections again.
Scrambling to excuse the inexcusable, they are pointing the finger at Republicans. They claim that Republicans cut the funding to embassy security in Benghazi, and thereby, are responsible for the deaths of the Ambassador and his security crew. There is only one word for this nonsense:
BULLSH*T!!!!
Reason 1:
At point 3:35:35 on c-span video here >> http://www.c-span.org/Events/Congres...10737434835-1/
Rep. Dana Rohrabacher (R-Calif.): "Mrs Lamb, you made this decision personally [to reject the request for more security], was there any budget consideration, or lack of budget, that allowed you not to increase the people in the security force there"
Response Charlene Lamb: "No Sir."
Reason 2:
Not that it matters, as we have already seen that funding was not an issue, but the bill in question was bipartisan with more Democrats voting for the cuts than Republicans. http://dailycaller.com/2012/10/10/de...port-for-vote/
Reason 3:
The State Department got all of their requested funding for FY 2012
http://blog.heritage.org/2012/10/11/...t-responsible/
You Libbies can huff and puff all day long, the blood of 4 Americans are on this administrations hands.
Benghazi is another cluster-f**k by Barrack Hussein and Hitlery Clinton.
The shame of this is that a complicit media, whose function is to demand accountability, doesn’t care either.
As the world laughs at us and Barrack Hussein the lies and deception just continue and the useful idiots from the Left believe it as ordered.
Panetta,Dempsey and Clinton , OBAMAS three stooges of BALLWASHERS !
Common Definitions from Dictionary.com:
Opinion See Definition of Prejudice:
The FACTS:
President Obama's previous Order to SOS Clinton "Low US Presence at Libya" after US Ambassador and LTC Wood requests for increased Security, since February 2011, of US Military not Libyan Security. SOS Clinton's "Funding was not the issue".
President Obama supported the "Libyan Rebels" of Al Quada Saudi Arabia (AQ), Al Quada Islamic Maghreb (AQIM), Al Quada Syria (AQS), Al Quada Yemen (AQY), Hezbollah, Al Quada Arabian Peninsula (AQAP), the Libyan Islamic Fighting Group (LIFG), etc. that went to Libya to Murder US Ally President Gaddaffi, the Collaborator to the Christians, Jews, Unbelievers and "To Die a Horrible Murdering To Dwell In That Firey Place".
They became Ansar Al Shariah. The Weapons seized from President Gaddaffi as a Strategic Goal to Attack the Rest of Africa when the Holy Warriors of Islam were still at Egypt after President Obama chopped all US Support, US Assistance, and US Funding for US Ally Egypt and called US Ally President Mubarak "Dictator":
Clinton takes responsibility in Benghazi attack, clashes with Republicans
http://nbcpolitics.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/01/23/16660298-clinton-takes-responsibility-in-benghazi-attack-clashes-with-republicans?lite
Before the start of the "Libyan Civil War" US Ally President Gaddaffi was reporting the "Increased Al Quada Activities" thru the communications channels established by SOS Condeleezza Rice. As the Holy Warriors of Islam were attacking the Libyan Military Weapons Depots at the Hight Razma Depots at Benghazi.
The Libyan Islamic Fighting Group that were previously killing US Military at Iraq became the Libyan Government fully recognized by President Obama as the Legitimate Government of Libya.
President Obama during his Reelection Campaign Inflamed the over 1.5 Billion Islamic Believers Worldwide with his "Osama Bin Laden is Dead, GM is Alive".
The Islamic Response to President Obama's "Osama Bin Laden is Dead, GM is Alive" is "Obama, Obama, We Are All Osama", "Obama Declared War Against Islam". Ansar Al Shariah starts planning the attacks on the US Consulate Benghazi (where Ansar Al Shariah is (was) located) to coincide with the Greatest Defeat of the Great Satan (US), the 9/11 2001 Attacks, by their Holy Warrior of Islam Superstar, Osama Bin Laden, 9/11.
Video Proof:
The Islamic Response to President Obama's Declared War Against Islam, "Osama Bin Laden is Dead, GM is Alive".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udSEcQbM308
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pJGX1JzyFc
And sure, there are only a few "Extremists", "Decimated Al Quada", "Radicals", etc.. With that "Osama Bin Laden is Dead, GM is Alive" President Obama created thousands more of them (count the numbers during the Tunisia rally, that is only one Islamic Nation, see those flags, now look at Mali and Algeria, go back to the flags during the "Libyan Civil War".). What President Obama did was give them a mutual cause and made them cohesive against the Great Satan (US and US Allies Worldwide), and turned those "peaceful", "moderates" Islamic Believers Worldwide against the US and US Allies.
Before you even say "Fear Mongering" about the Millions of Holy Warriors of Islam go research SOS Clinton's US Department of State Terrorist Organization List(s), and the President's own Executive Intelligence Agency, the CIA, CIA World Factbook.
http://www.state.gov/j/ct/rls/other/des/123085.htm
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/
President Obama does NOT listen to anyone, including SOS Clinton, US Department of State, completely disregarded the Fact (and supported LIFG, AQ, etc. to Overthrow US Ally President Gaddaffi):
extract from entire list, http://www.state.gov/j/ct/rls/other/des/123085.htm:
Designated Foreign Terrorist Organizations
Date Designated
Name
12/17/2004
Libyan Islamic Fighting Group (LIFG)
Dems and Reps are the same so lets get that out there so both sides or whomever you're for can get over it. They both lie, if the body count has to be considered then you really aren't patriotic at all. The fact is people died for each others choices. Dems Vietnam, Reps Iraq just get it out of your system already and stop voting for both. They play the same game and if history taught us correctly they're about the same damn party the only major difference is their associations. Paint it black or white. I don't care about their votes in whatever they both have blood on their hands. That's it. Don't carry on the comparison you know the difference. Get over it.
Wasn't Libya the same country where the Republicans were complaining that we were going to war without Congressional approval?
Now these same Republicans are complaining because we don't have two divisions of marines in every embassy, a division at every consulate in the world and each facility is a fort, capable of withstand a nuclear attack. Oh, by the way, we're cutting the funding for security at State Department foreign facilities by another 1/2 Billion Dollars this year.
You guys keep going on about Obama ditching morning briefings - you don't know what briefings he's getting during the day, do you? Or if he's getting briefings AS SOMETHING HAPPENS. There are more hours in the President's day than morning briefings. As for McCain and briefings, isn't he the one who was told that he wouldn't have had as many questions about what happened if he, AND Senator Johnson had shown up for THEIR briefings? I believe McCain skipped his to hold a press conference about why Ms Clinton was in the wrong, instead of actually getting needed info.
fix to post#1.126 extract from US Department of State Chart, List of Terrorist Organizations:
Designated Foreign Terrorist Organizations
Date Designated Name
12/17/2004 Libyan Islamic Fighting Group (LIFG)
extract from entire list, http://www.state.gov/j/ct/rls/other/des/123085.htm:
Obama, Hillary and Biden's incompetence resulted in the deaths of these Americans and to deny that is lunacy.
Obama as President and Commander in Chief - should pay the price for this dereliction of duty to our country and our people
I love this, McCain telling some general he doesn't know how to run the Pentagon. This is the twit who got into the Naval Academy because his daddy and granddaddy were admirals. He graduated 895 out of 900. He would have graduated higher but only 5 cadets dropped out of his class. He married a pile of money and ran on a phoney war record. He was shot down because he got lost and was in a no fly zone . The VC were going to repat him for propagander reasons but his daddy CinCPAC said "No'
I guess he figures he knows the Pentagon better than anyone-- Heaven help us.
The leadership position that McCain holds or for that matter any of the House or Senators when it comes to military spending, I would think that they should look into all embassies to see if each has enough support, military equipment etc and vote out the bucks accordingly. Can't they ask, is there enough support there? Is there enough equipment there? What is our people's exit stratigey in these places? Shouldn't these people be held accountable for these lives lost too?
What's that you say Mr McCain...?.....Get off your lawn?
How ironic can it be that it was actually McCain and his flock of crony republicans in the house that cut the funding for foreign security by 60%??? What the frig did those right wing lunatics think was going to happen when you decimate the foreign security budget? And now they spread their BS propaganda that this was all the POTUS fault?? What a joke. You know what that make those crazy republicans???? HYPOCRITES.......here is just one more reason why you connies keep losing elections.
Nixon resigned for a botched break-in
Obama presided as CIC while American's calling for help died - on his and Hillary's watch
The answers given by Panetta and General today - devastating for Obama - as our president
Our military has to be concerned about an incompetent and impotent CIC
debnran, your post makes no sense...Ramblings.. Obama's staff has admitted he does not do his briefings..This has been common knowledge for many months. There might be many hours in the Presidents day, but he is still campaigning. Ms Clinton needs to drilled, she did not do her job.
Planes could have been sent, Gen.Ham was in the process of sending them when the W.H said to step down. Now if we could find out who issued that order, we might not be here.. 90 minutes is the air time for planes getting from Gen Ham to Benghazi. That could have stopped the attack.
If some of you would read the reports, you would not be rambling as you do.
LOL!!
That reminds me of Rand Paul saying to Madame Secretary Clinton:
If I Were President,......LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@ American Girl:
So I guess your guy Odumbo, what - is he just the token? He's been there 4 years and you have absolutely no expectations? Guess that's what you get with the affirmative action ticket!
You are clearly in LaLa land if you think things are better now. Unemployment is higher, the number of people in the work force are lower, healthcare costs have continued to rise under his bullsh*t Obamacare, and we are being tested on a daily basis by the whack-job countries who have tested and know Obama is an impotent, useless leader who will do nothing. His goal is to make America like all the other useless countries.
He is committing treason every day he holds office and sadly, we are a country where 53% of those that voted are complete morons. American Girl - hardly!
Come on, let me hear you say, "I'm not racist!!" LOL!!!!
Not "intersperced" Opinions, Facts from Firsthand Experience, do not even attemp personal attack to make failed attempts to discredit Facts:
Common Definitions from Dictionary.com:
Fact, noun
Your "Opinion" without doing a Causative Timeline:
Experience: Those of us that were the US Military Training Teams to US Ally Iraq during the Iran Iraq Wars, rotated to Operation Cyclone, KNEW from Experience (defintion: Fact), that President Hussein using his Iraqis Oil Wealth and the lives of the Iraqis Citizens of the Iraqis Military was the Counterbalance to the Fundamentalist Islamic Shia Republic of Iran.
Those of us that survived the "Peacetime" US Military (the actual Combat Operations) during the Cold War, knew the Longterm Strategic Goals of the Chinese and USSR (now Russian Federation) as to get the US and US Allies out of their Backyards (Resources) Worldwide. The USSR (now including the Chinese) using the Fundamentalist Islamic Shia Republic of Iran as their "Proxy Fighter"; the Fundamentalist Islamic Shia Republic of Iran using the millions of Holy Warriors of Islam as their "Proxy Fighters" Worldwide.
March 2009 President Obama's Failed Foriegn Policy that RESULTED in: The Ayatollahs of Iran seeing President Obama's stated Foreign Policy as the US negotiating from a position of US Defeat. Immediately the Ayatollahs of Iran increased their Overt and Covert Activities Against the US and US Allies Worldwide.
A. The First Strategic Goal, get the US and US Allies Kicked out of the Islamic Nation of Iraq. As the Fundamentalist Islamic Shia Republic of Iran no longer: 1. Stuck between two US And US Allies Military Forces (Iraq and Afghanistan); 2. No US And US Allies Military Forces threats nor capability to stop the Fundamentalist Islamic Shia Republic of Iran's Special Forces, Quds, from arming, training and funding Millions of Holy Warriors of Islam at the Autonomous Kurdistanis Region of Northern Iraq, mission to fight the US And US Allies Worldwide, and Asymmetric Warfare (Insurgency, start Civil Wars for real or perceived injustices) Overthrow the Established Governments of US Allies Worldwide; 3. Increased support from the Allies of the Fundamentalist Islamic Shia Republic of Iran, the Chinese and Russian Federation, by getting the Iraqis Oil for them, the Iraqis Oil that could have paid for the US and US Allies Liberation of Iraq with Decades to Centuries of Iraqis Oil lost, the loss making the Libyan Oil of Strategic Importance to the US European Allies.
The previous Pro US Allies at Iraq, stating increased pressure (threats by Iran to use Iranian Military Force) from the Fundamentalist Islamic Shia Republic of Iran. President Obama's own Executive Intelligence Agency warning of "Increased Iranian Influence" (threats by Iran to use Iranian Military Force). There is no real Iraqis Military capable of resisting the Military of the Fundamentalist Islamic Shia Republic of Iran, and the Ayatollahs knew that. The Government of the Islamic Shia Nation of Iraq state No more Negotiations with President Obama nor SOS Clinton. President Obama and SOS Clinton attempted to negotiate a Status of Forces Agreement. President Obama states a "half truth" (LIE) that US Military Combat Troops are being withdrawn from Iraq (they were replaced with US Military "Non" Combat Troops trained as Combat Troops) President Obama is caught by the Islamic Shia Government of Iraq, that Demands All US Military Forces Leave Iraq. President Obama and SOS Clinton sent in hundreds of thousands of US and Foreign Security Contractors to replace the US Military withdrawn to Kuwait and Saudi Arabia (currently at the Border of Syria preventing the Syria Military from attacking the Safe Havens of the "Syrian Rebels" of the Kurdistanis PKK, HPG, KGK, and Al Quada Iraq).
B. Pakistan and Afghanistan, the Fundamentalist Islamic Shia Republic of Iran tells the Pakistanis Government they must remove the US Military Logistics Support Bases and RQ/MQ Bases at the Islamic Nation of Pakistan. Without these US Military Logistics Support Bases at Pakistan the United Nations Mission Afghanistan can no longer be supported. The no longer supported United Nations, US, NATO Military Forces must withdraw from United Nations Mission Afghanistan by 2014. The maximum numbers supported without the US Military Logistics Support Bases, Pakistanis Sea Ports, Khyber Pass is 30,000 including International Aid Workers at United Nations Mission LANDLOCKED Afghanistan.
C. US Ally Egypt is Strategic to attack US Ally Libya. Hundreds of thousand of Islamic Holy Warriors of Islam are coming from the Autonomous Kurdistanis Region as the "Peace Floatillas", some land at Alexandria Egypt some are interdicted by the US Ally Israel Blockades. These Holy Warriors of Islam assist the Holy Warriors of Islam (also previously trained by Iran) of the Muslim Brotherhood to Overthrow US Ally President Mubarak. President Mubarak warns President Obama of "Increased Al Quada Like Activities".
D. See the rest of the sequence of events at post #1.126.
Does someone have to draw pictures for you, OldMan457. And what I wanted was a NON Combat US Military Career when I came back in, not Combat Operational Experience (Suvival).
Not going to happen:
http://money.msn.com/investing/11-things-wrong-with-congress
And by the way if you are the other Kathryn, as in Kathryn Bigelow; even if President Obama states full cooperation to Hollywood, don't believe that, some of us got into deep kimchee with even minor details like our stereoscopic (depth perception) night vision devices. And like Kimberly Dozier, Naomi Wolf, et al; even with President Obama's promises, do not keep asking us about things, there is a reason for President Obama's written (not what he says propaganda) Preemptive Indefinite Detentions of US Citizens.
The only question left unanswered is whether McCain et al will be able to drag this out another 3 years and 11 months.
@ Moshuluu:
Since you on the left make such a big deal about him being black (50%), and have absolutely no expectations from him other than filling your racial agenda, you are the ones that have minimized him to just being a racial token. The left has done that to him - not the right. We actually expect our President to act and execute the office as President - not just put a check in our check box.
And as you on the left figure all of us on the right a racist - I'm fine with that. You one the left have minimized that word to mean nothing as it is always your response and so overused by you, I'm fine with it. If being a racist is expecting the President (who is 1/2 black) to actually do is job - I'm totally good with it!
Both testified they knew that night it was a terrorist attack. So why was Obama 2 weeks later saying in front of the UN it was a youtube video? Are communications that bad in the administration? Why was Rice saying video when the head of the CIA and the General both said they knew that night it wasn't?
Both testified they talked to BO within the first hour for a few minutes. And that BO NEVER got back in touch with them that whole night to find out what was happening, was Stephens OK, was it over, anyone else hurt ... Nothing! Holy Cow, what was he doing? If i was a family member of the deceased i would be p#ssed.
Dempsy said he was aware of Stephens remarks of concerns of lack of security. The request for troops had to come from State Dept, why did it not?
General testified he was aware of documents from the State dept that Hillary testified a few weeks ago she wasn't. How does that work? What a cluster%^&$
Now we are finding out why they stonewalled this. I wouldn't have wanted this out before the election either if i was him. State run Media ignored it, surprised its up here. A random act of journalism.
First thanks for posting that, if I would have posted that, most would start the name calling of me "Conspiracy Theorist", "Wearing a Tin Foil Hat".
Second, you do have to realize that there are somethings that are no completely accurate with that article. Finding out what those are will answer your questions. I am not a "chickensh!t", it would not be wise for me to put my neck on a chopping block (may not be "classified"; but, "politically sensitive" as the political way of saying don't discuss this or we will wack your pee pee.).
Third, to point you in the right direction for your future research, "What was the CIA's Mission at Benghazi". And who does the CIA work for, as to why as of 2011 Secretary of Defense Penetta had nothing to do with:
American Girl-724855 - Panetta, you could have pulled those people out of there.
Fourth, the Official and Unofficial Chain of Command. Both above and below the US Ambassador. Both above and below the CIA at Libya. And the interactions (or lack thereof).
As hacked off as I was immediately following the Benghazi attack, I'm beyond livid after hearing the testimony of both Hillary and Panetta. This is criminal negligence! Obama, Hillary, Panetta, not to worry though, you have enough lackeys within the administration and complicit media to insure nothing will happen. This is a scary time in American history, knowing the media is AWOL, unwilling to do its job, to protect US citizens from a corrupt government. Had this been the prevailing attitude by the media in the early 70s, Nixon would never have had to answer for Watergate.
OMG! American solders were killed in a war zone! That's not supposed to happen - wars are only for killing other people! Impeach!
Do republicans really not know that war is dangerous? Stunning.
What is STUNNING, Snakebone, is your absolute refusal to face the real issues .... choosing to deflect to the obvious which everyone knows .... 4 people were killed !
There are TWO, repeat TWO (2) issues here:
1) Why was our State Department "GROSSLY NEGLIGENT" in ignoring requests for better security ?
2) Why did the Obama Administration try to cover-up what really happened for many weeks .... choosing instead to launch a campaign of LIES and MISINFORMATION, blaming it on "spontaneous demonstrations" related to an anti-Mohammed film clip ??
The POTUS said he will get the people responsible for this. Strong words. The guy that made the video was arrested even though he was not involved...
Has anyone else been detained/questioned/arrested? Help me out, I haven't heard and I'm curious
So we should have ...what? Bombed Benghazi? You put fighter/bomber aircraft in Crete and do what to stop the terrorists from killing 4 Americans? Kill hundreds of Libyan civilians plus probably most or all of the Consulate staff?? Is that McCain's idea of an appropriate response? A fighter/bomber such as an F-16, F-18, F-15, or F-22 has a limited number of options...they drop bombs and strafe with cannon fire at over 180 knotts. Not something you would normally use to clear buildings.
Give him time. How long did it take Bush to get Bin Laden? Oh, that's right...he never did!
Why did the Republicans in the House vote down the funding for additional Embassy Security?
The statement was provided by the House of Representatives Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence - chaired by a Republican. Any other questions?
What unmitigated gall. Both Paenetta and Dempsey are lying through their caps. Ambassador Stevens sent E-mails requesting added protection. There were plenty of evidence that there were problems in Libya over other places by earlier attacks. How can they blatantly lie like that when even the American public knows that there was a SUSTAINED attack that lasted 8 hours long. And there was F-16 only TEN MINUTES away that could easily get there to save the Ambassador and everyone else for that matter. Fred W. Rustmann Jr. Elite Senior Intelligence Service CIA retired makes that perfectly clear in an interview with the Washington Times.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/nov/8/obamas-battle-on-benghazi-far-from-finished/?page=all
I think that the Senate hearing committee should have Mr. Rustmann question these guys and face them down with the facts. It is too bad we can not INTERROGATE these guys!!! I am getting tired of this continued lying and out right TREASON!!!
"Old man" McCain and "Fast Fingers" Graham seriously need to let this @!$%# go. They're only further making a$$es out of themselves...
Seriously, just what in the hell are they accusing this administration of, I wish they would come out and say it:
"We think the Administration purposefully let Amb. Stevens die for some unknown reason and now they're perpetrating a conspiracy to cover that fact up."
Just say it you pussies, so we all can laugh at you even harder than we already are...
They are still talking about this? I thought they had closed the door on Benghazi when they put that guy who made the video in jail.
TO: Common Man-3493893 who wrote:
That's all Republicans do when they're out of office, complain.
Republicans were the worst f-ups in history when they had the White House, and they hit the American People with everything from terrorist attacks to lying us into war, to total and complete destruction of the entire United States Economy.
Republicans arrived at the White House where they found a $450 billion dollar surplus, a thriving economy, and world peace. When Republicans left office, they turned all that into the 2nd Great Depression, 4,000 dead and 20,000 having catastrophic physical injuries.
Now, the best Republicans can hope for is that enough American Voters forget how damaging Republicans are to the United States and the American People, so that Republicans can get back in there and do the same exact things that devastated us the first time.
You really need to pull your head from Obama and the Dems a*ses and come up for air. Both sides are to blame for our failures. In the current one Obama is and no amount of pointing fingers at Bush 's failures in the past will change that fact. I know this is falling on deaf ears and theer is no way you would ever open your eyes and have an objective opinion. So I figured just making fun of you will have to do.
Actually they tried to close the door but most people recognize a very obvious cover up when they see one.
amer girl
once again you show your ignorance. It takes a vote to go to war and both sides vote. Your most popular dems were in agreement that their was wmd's and are on record as saying so. You should change your handle since you really know nothing about how america works. I see by the way you think you would go watch the submarine races with your uncle
Really? Senator Wellstone voted against war, having the personal conviction to do that. One of the last votes cast before he died.
The rest were duped, and shouldn't have been.
Hindsite is 20/20. What does it matter at this point... muddying the water, a bunch of republicans/conservatives wasting time, reaching for straws still trying to undermine the Obama Presidency, just wasting time and money. Why don't you do something instead of all the talk... Oh I know, lets cut more funding for SS and medicare... that will fix everything...duh.
Okie
The UN resolution to invade Iraq and the Congess passage of resolution allowing US to invade Iraq were widely argued as being necessary to give US leverage to gain Saddam's full cooperation with UN team's search for WMD. That Bush abandoned support of UN team's search for WMD before any were found is the biggest problem with our Iraq strategy.
We put our forces at great risk of being attacked by Saddam's WMD. This was a stupid and foolish move on our part. All those Democrats who supported the authority to invade given to Bush must have been very upset when we rushed to invade Iraq before WMD were found and secured.
Tim, you are spot on, these republicans wanks only want to damage Obama. Well it won't work. Besides it is unpatriotic to make political hay out of a tragedy of the deaths Americans serving their country. There are to many of them to deport but I certainly would take an undocumented workers loyalty over any of these up the scrumps.
Tell that to o'bummer. He is the jerkwad that stalled the hearings until after the election. Tell that to the lamestream media that still don't haven't done more than acknowledge the fact that it happened. Tell that hillary clingon who stated "what difference does it make".
Someone needs to get McCain back on his meds and put him down for a nap.
TO: okie58 who wrote:
That vote was based on a pack of lies that George "Curveball" Bush and his Republican Administration cooked up in order to get an authorization to go to war.
Had those same people known the truth of the matter, no one would have ever authorized Bush to go to war.
The only way we will ever know what happened is from surviors of the attack. I was in 82nd airborne out of Bragg and we always had a brigade on mission cycle packed and ready to go. We also had a brigade in Italy as well. Im quite sure we had some Seals Rangers Special Forces ETC ETC close enough to at least make an attempt to help. Its is very very very starange that no atempt was made to at least try to help at the very least we might could have killed the terroist before they got away. Ther is more to this story than we will ever know.
@RTFS
Where is his gal Palin when he needs her! Miss Lindsey G. just won't do!
Newday
How is it that Wellstone had enough information to vote the correct way but everyone else was duped? You're trying to have it both ways. Was Hillary Clinton duped? If she and all the other dems are so easily duped maybe they shouldn't be in positions of power.
Wellstone was a wonderful man, one of the few politicians who deserved the respect he received. He was a good man who believed in his convictions. It's too bad he died so young but he would have been swallowed up alive by Washington if he hadn't. That said he wasn't the only person who carefully considered his vote while everyone else was duped.
They believed the rantings of the neocons, and shouldn't have. I didn't support Hillary Clinton for President when she ran against Obama for that very reason. She should have known better, they all should have.
They voted the way they did because they were afraid of having the old liberal/anti war label attached to them, that a pejorative since McGovern ran.
They should all be deeply ashamed.
Don't pretend to have any love or understanding of our Senator Wellstone. You don't.
MN suffered a great loss when he died, not just because it put that moral midget Coleman in office. We have been a long time recovering our progressive roots.
American Girl is RIGHT! I remember very well. I remember the surplus and how the GOP lied cheated and stold to get us into a false war so they could start stealing from the country< they took an oath to protect and defend "from all enemies foreign and domestic"> when all this happened..I havent forgotten. The GOP still has the same plan...get back into power at all cost and stay there forever and continue skimming from our treasury through fixed war contracting companies and crooked bookkeeping. Oh and dont forget how they want to privatize social security so they can screw the public over by trying to take their retirement and put it into the stockmarket to pay for their wall street gambling. They win they keep the profit they lose and you lose your retirement..too bad so sad..its all a scam and these GOP guys are the biggest bunch of grifters I have ever seen. Bush lied his arss off to get us into war...any war..just so he could start milking the cash cow. I wouldnt be surprised if he and Dickie boy had money stashed in the Caymanes that belong to all of us. You GOP are so gullible if you buy their stories.
I can see McCain on his deathbed mumbling Benghazi Benghazi, but what about Benghazi.
Nurse to family member: He's been mumbling that for hours.
Family Member to Nurse: We know that's all he's been talking about for years.
Elaine you do know that the repuks controlled the Senate and the House from 94 to 2000? So basicaly it was the repuks controlled congress that left a surplus. That actualy fact seems to be overlooked by many people. Another fact is the dems in congress voted for the war in Iraq. Bush couldnt declare war without the congress voting on it. Another actualy fact that seems to be overlooked. However its seems to be the repuks fault for everything now and Obama gets none of the blame. Kinda funny how Clinton gets credit fo the surplus and Bush gets balamed for the was but Obama get no blame.
These people are dead. It's a tragedy, yes. But no amount of perserverence in assigning blame will bring them back from the dead. It's time for bitter, jaded, John McCain to shut the F up.
American Girl again you have no clue do you.. When did 9/11 happen ? Do you even know where the Iraq information came from?
Try the Clinton administration...
So was this a set up by the DEMS?
Or is it more like Bill Clinton "I DID NOT HAVE SEX WITH THAT WOMAN"
yeah who lied again? GET A CLUE
Get a fact
Annie,
It is all about accountability you know the thing that Obama said would happen under his admin..
So if Obama says it he don't have to live up to it?
Which country did Clinton invade? Monitoring a countries acquisition of material needed to determine their intentions is one thing, packaging selective information to promote an agenda to finish what your father failed to complete is altogether different. It's well documented Bush pushed reports that backed up his theory of Saddam building WMD and disregarded and even had people who disagreed removed from investigations.
LARRY
Clinton also said Suddam had WMD as did Bush Sr. before him. Over a dozen independent and international organizations also said Suddam had WMD.
It is well known and documented that Suddam used WMD against the Kurds to commit genocide. The exact same manner of weapons now resides in Syria. Gee I wonder how those weapons got to Syria... I wonder why Suddam would play cat and mouse with the inspectors and suddenly just be like "oh wait sure you guys can come in today"...
American Girl,
You are correct and you're about as pissed off as I am.
I am an Ex-Republican.
The GWB administration was a disaster for America and we may never recover from it.
I am an Ex-Republican.
I will never vote for Any Republican ever again based upon one true fact.
The Republican Administration attacked its own country.
Take a look at the "plane" yeah right! that hit the pentagon...the video has been debunked by far too numerous video edit experts to still be considered fact.
There amounts to what is 16 paused frames that shown a cylindrical item paused in the right corner then on the 17th frame it explodes against the building.
Velocity calculations put it at over 17,000 mph - which is impossible; if you count the frames the velocity becomes a manageable 1100 mph......believable velocity and well out of range of a Commercial Airliner.
Those are facts and they are indisputable.
If the Government being run by the Republicans at the time want to continue to expect us to believe a lie than all facts surrounding 911 are suspect.
I will never vote in power an administration that attacks itself all in the name to start a war with Iraq and Kill thousands of people.
Maybe you’ll believe Newt Gingrich when he said “WE SHOULD ALLOW SOME TERRORIST ATTACKS TO REMIND US OF THE DANGER: During a book tour, Gingrich told an audience in a speech that was televised on C-SPAN that the Bush administration had been very successful at intercepting terrorists, but had not gotten credit for it, explaining that maybe we should’ve “allowed an attack to get through to remind” Americans about the danger of terrorism.
Believe me don't I do not care....maybe you'll believe Ron Paul which by all accounts appears to be the only Republican with any integrity.
A local reporter asked him about the Iraq war (she was mentioning it in light of the impending evacuation) and his response was and I quote
"I was completely disgusted with the absolute Glee the Bush administration had when we were attacked on 911, because now he had the reason he wanted to attack Iraq"
That sealed it for me.
The Republicans are not to be trusted to govern...Period
And all McCain and Lidsey Graham are worried about is Benghazi......
Proof. I would like to see proof instead of some reject Liberal repeating what he and his hipster friends spew at the coffee bar. dangit, prove what you heard... I'm so sick of BS Bushism;s. Every Liberal tard thinks they know exactly what was going on in the white house and that Bush just sat there muhawwing with his hands wringing like some evil scientist. The country was attacked by filthy muslim terrorists. I wanted every one of them dead when it happened and if there was an over reaction, so be it. Don't f*&$@ with this country and you won't experience overkill on the battle field. I wish the wars had killed every single person in the middle east and we could be done dealing with there dark age mentalities.
Unamerican girl from what i can see is your the BIGGEST FU CK UP this country has ever seen.
Till you get your head out of OBLAMERS a$$ you will always be that FU CKED UP.
Where did you get a pic of a good looking girl I know that is NOT you as you MUST be some FAT UGLY PIG. Like MOOSHELL.
Newday
I knew Wellstone and I miss him dearly. I didn't always agree with him but I respected him and his beliefs. There was no one who stood for more than Sen. Wellstone. Sadly most of the pols in your party and mine are nothing like Sen. Wellstone. All of them are hacks, both parties, who are only interested in their own bank accounts.
You're mistake about our progressive roots. We are predominantly DFL but that doesn't make us progressives. We are moderates, we are practical, we are hard working and we take care of our own because it is the right thing to do not because our government makes us. Though they do now. We are sick and tired of the waste that takes place in our nation and our state.
"Max^108" -
Thank you for pointing out that Benghazi was Not just a "Diplomatic Mission", but also a "CIA Outpost"...
i will post what i read from (UPI), IT fills in a few Details... but still leaves you wondering... ( must involve national security! but no one seems to consider how that could "muddy the water", and why that is the reason folks have to wait for the Official story... even if it might be intentionally inaccurate... WE DO have secrets that need to be kept that way... as irritating as that might be to the conspiracy minded...)
anyway, here is what UPI had on the subject -
The CIA was the real commanding agency at the attacked U.S. Consulate in Benghazi, Libya, not the State Department, senior U.S. intelligence officials said.
In addition, two of the four men who died in the Sept. 11 attack -- former Navy SEAL commandos Tyrone Woods and Glen Doherty -- were actually CIA contractors killed defending the mission, not State Department contract security officers, as originally publicly identified, the officials told several news organizations on condition of anonymity.
Also killed in the attack were U.S. Ambassador Christopher Stevens and U.S. Foreign Service Information Management Officer Sean Smith.
The intelligence officials said that within 25 minutes of being alerted to the attack in a desperate phone call, the CIA rushed a half-dozen security operatives to the mission from a secret base about a mile away.
The operatives, who arrived at the mission about 25 minutes after that, joined State Department security agents in a futile search through heavy smoke and enemy fire for Stevens, the officials said in the most thorough account to date of the assault and of the CIA's authoritative role at the consulate.
The operatives evacuated mission personnel and took control of an unarmed U.S. military drone to map possible escape routes, the officials said. The MQ-1 Predator drone, used by the CIA for reconnaissance, began providing video surveillance.
In the midst of the assault, the operatives also dispatched an emergency reinforcement team from Tripoli, the capital, and chartered aircraft that ultimately carried surviving U.S. personnel to safety, the officials said.
The militant assault went quiet around 1 a.m., the officials said in a written account that said the pause lasted until almost daybreak and apparently led CIA and State Department officials to think the danger had passed.
But just before dawn -- and not long after the CIA-led reinforcement team, including two military commandos, arrived from Tripoli -- the militants launched a brief but deadly mortar attack that surprised the Americans, the officials said.
Two CIA security officers defending the base from a rooftop -- Woods and Doherty -- were killed in the attack, the officials said.
Of the more than 30 U.S. officials evacuated from Benghazi, only seven worked for the State Department, officials briefed on the intelligence told The Wall Street Journal. Nearly all the rest worked for the CIA, under diplomatic cover, which was a principal purpose of the consulate, the Journal said.
Most public criticism for consulate security lapses has so far been directed at the State Department, not the CIA. U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said last month she took responsibility for what happened.
The new information does not address the Obama administration's various depictions of whether the assault was a protest that turned violent or a planned terrorist attack. But the officials reiterated early intelligence was patchy and often contradictory. They said talking points for members of Congress and senior administration officials did not at first discuss possible links between the attackers and al-Qaida because the information was classified.
"It wasn't until after the points were used in public that people reconciled contradictory information and assessed there probably wasn't a protest around the time of the attack," a senior U.S. intelligence official said in a statement.
Congressional investigators say it appears the CIA and State Department weren't on the same page about their respective security roles at the consulate, which the Journal said raised questions about whether the Benghazi security arrangement was flawed.
(i thought it was interesting... thanks "Max")
This is so funny. No matter which position you all take, your being spun. The psychological warfare unit from Fort Bragg has staff working in all the major newsrooms. They lead us all around like junkies looking for some dope.
American Girl - You are an idiot. Go back to wherever it is you hide and just wait for the next election to blindly vote like Oprah tells you to.
The info on wmd's was giving by Bush's and his boys. the only thing that democrats have to be ashamed of, is that they where so easily fooled by a republican president. The info was not from the democratic side. So they decided to trust the republican pres. and got screwed. film at eleven, sheeeesh
Dom-
You need medication.
Signed-
A Concerned Citizen
American Girl:
Wow, American Girl, now that you've mastered "cut and paste" maybe you can master actual history and facts! Nah, doubt it, but I'll give you some history anyway:
Tell me, American Girl, who was telling lies about WMDs back in 1998?
So American Girl, the WMDs were real at the end of 1998 when Clinton bombed Iraq but they were all a great big lie in 2001 and 2002? So the dems were right to vote to bomb Iraq in 1998 because of WMDs but were "tricked" into voting for it in 2002?
"Carl Heidelberg" -
Yes Carl,.. perhaps you "hit the nail on the head" with your suspicion of our Illustrious media machine.
it seems that the only information, (that sells?) is Misinformation... (Hooray for Hollywood ! ! !..... um..yes, its sarcasm ;)
and so, while it is all so invitingly soft on content, and easy to sink your teeth into.... I would not recommend swallowing any of it...
Because as you can See from the comments, it Can, and Does.. give most folks an Endless Case of "The Runs"...
and in my Humble opinion, its a fools banquet, and there is a less than subtle aroma of Horse Manure, wafting all around the mass media.... so i say ENOUGH Feeding from their trough,.. its Time to relax with a cocktail, and ignore "The Rabble"... and smile.
Have a Good Evening, my friend..
While I live in MN too, maybe I see a different picture, could care less about wellstone, I remember a guy at work used to spew on and on about how the republican's killed him, sigh. Anyway not all of us agree with we take care of our own, we don't have a choice on what our taxes pay for, basically whoever wants free money come to MN, as soon as you cross the border as long as you have an address (even if it's not yours permnant address) we'll give you cash, why they had to start tracking the money being spent in vegas, MA, OH, ILL and suprise not in MN, sorry we are good people in MN but we are dupes as well. Anyone with a sad story has the possiblity of getting money and we have no say in how the money is spent or how much of it gets spent.
If I could tell them where I thought the money should be spent, sort of check the box, I guarantee you it wouldn't be in handouts. People should help other people, not be forced too through my income taxes.
Just saying that may be cruel, but we live in a cruel and unforgiving world. If people want to keep playing the money game, someone has to lose and someone will win, sadly the majority of us will lose, so it's becoming a "every man for himself" kind of culture. I didn't make the rules and I sure as hell didn't vote for any of them that did.
I just received my tax return for 2012 back
from the IRS. It puzzles me!!!
They are questioning how many dependents I
claimed.
I guess it was because of my response to the
question: "List all dependents?"
I replied: 12 million illegal immigrants; 3
million crack heads;
42 million unemployed people on food stamps,
2 million people in over 243 prisons;
Half of Mexico ; and 535 persons in the U.S.
House and Senate."
Evidently, this was NOT an acceptable
answer.
I KEEP ASKING MYSELF, WHO DID I
MISS?
Two things one must know whenever dealing with Republicans... especially those brainwashed by Faux News (which is most of them):
1) Never rely on commonsense as a basis for your position, and
2) Never throw facts at them... they haven't a clue
There I fixed your post
Add:
3) Threaten anyone that disagrees with Democrats that you will have them Murdered by President Obama's "Army":
"President Obama, this is your Army. We are ready to march. Let's take these son of b!tches out and give America back to an America where we belong," US Labor Union Leader Jimmy Hoffa Junior during President Obama's Reelection Campaign.
President Obama addressed the crowd shortly after US Labor Union Leader Jimmy Hoffa Junior. US Labor Union Leader Jimmy Hoffa Junior not arrested for "Terroristic Threatening of US Citizens", "Conspiracy To Commit the Murder of US Citizens", "Homegrown Domestic Terrorism Against US Citizens", etc..
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2011/09/05/jimmy_hoffa_at_obama_event_on_gop_lets_take_these_son_of_bitches_out.html
"Chancellor Hitler, we are your Army. We are ready to march. All Loyal German's Must take back Germany from the Jews". Chancellor Hitler's Brown Shirts, Sturmabteilung, Armed Paramilitary; and his Political Labor Union, National Socialist German Workers' Party, Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei aka NAZI.
Chancellor Hitler Ordering the elimination of other Political Parties (and did by Armed Force of his armed private Army, 1933), US Democrats demanding the elimination of the Republican Party.
4) “Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it” Chancellor Adolf Hitler.
President Obama, "It will not cost more". Fact: $2.1 Trillion.
President Obama, "No new Taxes".
Democrats, "Republicans Fault" (Iraq War). Fact: President Clinton's US Policy Overthrow of President Hussein, in accordance with President Clinton's 1998 State of the Union Address aka Weapons of Mass Destruction, US Support of Holy Warriors of Islam Bosnia, etc., President Clinton's US Law, H.R. 4655 that became 2003 Operation Iraqis Freedom to accomplish President Clinton's US Policy Overthrow of President Hussein.
Democrats, "Bush's Fault" (US Economy). Fact: President Clinton's removal of the US Laws that previously made Illegal those Causes of the previous Depressions and the current $60 Trillon to $100 Trillion Global Economic Crisis consisting of the Mortgage Crisis, Wall Street Crisis, Financial Crisis, Banking Crisis, Credit Crisis, etc..
Democrats, "Bush's Fault" (US Jobs, Outsourcing). Fact: In return for "Donations" from the Chinese, President Clinton gave China Most Favored Trade Nation Status; known to US Congress as "Chinagate". Coincidence, President Clinton was the Governor of Arkansas the Headquarters for Made In China Walmart. These "Donations" used to create the Clinton Foundation, as the same that withheld the donations ($5 Million) of the Haiti Disaster Relief while Haitians were dying, the only possible motive is the Clinton Foundation getting the Interest on the $5 Million (CBS News).
Democrats, "We are not trying to take your guns away". Fact: President Obama's Appointed US Ambassador to the United Nations Attempts, with a few Democrats even opposed as Unconstitutional:
Democrats Oppose Obama-U.N. Gun Control Treaty
http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/washington-whispers/2011/07/26/democrats-oppose-obama-un-gun-control-treaty
President Obama, "Withdraw from Afghanistan by 2014". Fact: Treaty signed with President Karzai for US Military Asymmetric Warfare Forces to remain at Afghanistan for decades after the US Military Conventional Warfare Forces abandon United Nation's Mission LANDLOCKED Afghanistan after President Obama's Failed Foriegn Policies Lost the Mandatory US Military Logistics Support Bases at Pakistan required to support the United Nation's Mission at Landlocked Afghanistan.
President Obama, "Withdrawal from Iraq as promised". Fact. US Kicked out of Iraq, due to no more Negotiations with President Obama nor SOS Clinton. The Allies of the Fundamentalist Islamic Shia Republic of Iran, the Chinese and Russian Federation, get the Iraqis Oil that could have paid for the US And US Allies Liberation of Iraq with Decades to Centuries of Iraqis Oil.
Democrats, "Republicans Fault" ("Fiscal Cliff"). Fact. The Waitress arrived with the bill of $2.1 Trillion for the meal that President Obama ate, now he is looking around for everyone else to pay.
Democrats, "Republicans Fault" ("Budget Cuts"). Fact. To pressure US Congress to find the money for President Obama's demanded spending of $2.1 Trillion that was previously not budgeted for President Obama threatened "Across the Board Budget Cuts" (Automatic Sequestration) for all previously Budgeted for Programs (like Medicare, Social Security, etc. "the Old People" Programs that the "Old People" paid into, etc..), Agencies (like FEMA, Department of Education, Veteran's Affairs, etc.), including chopping the Benefits and Entitlements of the "47%" (2012 actual 49%, update 2013 51%).
The Republicans kept calling President Obama's Bluff of "Across the Board Budget Cuts" (Automatic Sequestration), until the last minute, and then extended this till March 2013. The money for the previously spent not budgeted for $2.1 Trillion that was not budgeted for by the then Democratic Party Controlled US Congress (both Houses) still not "Found".
5) Give people "Free things" just make sure they have simple partisan political slander or liable to say:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpAOwJvTOio
6) Have your buddy "Mr. Corporate America" behind closed doors keep getting Billions from the Corporations, the Rich, the Hollywood Jewish Lobby, etc. for you to keep your 2008 Presidential Campaign Offices open until Reelection 2012. Keep getting the Billions from the Corporations and the Rich to keep the Campaign Offices open to push your never announced "Agenda" as Political Action Committees.
7) Get fined thousands while getting Billions after Presidential Candidate Hillary Filed Against Presidential Candidate Obama Violating US Law, McCain Feingold Bipartisan Campaign Act. After "Getting away with this" since before 2008, keep doing this.
Then no official American office should be out of reach of support if needed in potentially hostile areas of the globe.
After the first episode and before 6 hours went by you mean to tell me that no personnel was available out of the Mediterranean fleet, not even a French or British helicopter? Hard to believe.
Yes - hard to believe that there was no help available. More lies.
If they kill you 45 minutes after the attack starts and help gets there 46 minutes after notification, who are we saving?
What good is safe room, if you can't stay in it safely for 48 hours?
Bottom line, it is the HOST COUNTRY's responsibility to protect our diplomatic installations. Stevens should have left, if he felt threatened and more security wasn't forthcoming.
TO: save the environment
People go there to work knowing full well what the dangers are.
As much as I admire their courage, they knew before they left the United States headed for Benghazi that there was an element of life threatening danger in going there, and there is always that element of danger when you're stationed in a far off land away from the shelters of home.
Paul (numbers): You are actually the first one I have seen (besides me) to make that point.
It IS the host country's obligation to provide security.
And there was a choice for those folks to leave.
Not sure the blame belongs to any one person.
So then if you know that you can't respond until after they people are dead don't bother responding at all? Then there is no need for police, fire fighters, paramedics, etc because they will just be body collectors.
If the host country can't provide the proper levels of security, too bad? Why do we send the SS with obummer on his travels. He's just another travelling diplomat. Let the host country cover his @$$.
@#3.4 OldDayYawning, Wow ! What a weak statement from you ... put someone else in charge of your security ! Put an unstable government of an unstable country in charge of YOUR SECURITY .... and actually RELY upon that !
I must say, you win the prize for NAIVE today buddy ! Anyone failing to evaluate their security and failing to notify their country of major weaknesses might deserve what they get !! NEITHER of those are applicable to this situation and 4 deaths occurred as a result !!!!
The real, unanswered question remains ... WHY DID THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION LIE TO COVER UP ?
jim
It never cesses to amaze me how you guys want everyone to think that everything that happens in the government is handled by the president. If that was the case we would be a dictatorship or a monarchy. There are 3 branches of government so get off it. The president doesnt run the country alone. If that was the case then why are there so many aides, secretaries and staff members?? Are they just all standing around the water cooler waiting for a command? NO! They handle the day to day business of handling the orders and activities of the government..not everything makes it as high as the department heads so when you are talking about who is to blame then lets be alittle more realistic. Everyone with half a brain knows the "host" country is in charge of the security of the embassies over seas ..they do get funding aid from the country who embassies they are defending it is true but our government chose to cut the funding (which the GoP did "again" for a second time after the dem.'s put it back in in this last package) but the GOP doesnt want to talk about that because they are too busy blaming the dems and Obama for the lack of security that got these people killed. For the record the ambassador did say the security was questionable but the GOP didnt deem it necessary enough to give them more funding. Then once the attack occured that got him killed and 3 of his guys then the GOP chose to blame Obama and the dems. Face it GOP you are full of crap!. Funny how the wealthy like McCain and Romney feel their tax breaks are more impiortant then human lives in just about every catagory.
elaine, Did you ever think of using paragraphs for separate thoughts ? Of course, then you entire RANT would be many, many sentences because there is little if any COHESION to your mass outpouring of WORDS !
Please do not drink three martinis before you attempt to post again !
By the way genius, Why DID the Obama administration lie to cover up what happened ? They sure as hell created a WHOPPER !!! of a fairy tale about spontaneous demonstrations ... yada, yada, yada ...
Stevens should have been at the main embassy on the anniversary of 9-11 where armed marines were stationed. Being at a consulate where Libya didn't allow marine protection was stupid.
In the middle of a foreign country 1000 miles from our nearest military base? It's great you imagine our abilities are so great we can accomplish anything instantly anywhere in the world. Maybe you believe in Santa and the tooth fairy too.
It IS the host country's obligation to provide security
Anyone remember the Nobel Peace Prize winner helped and supported turning that place into a complete sh-thole? It's a 'host country' in name only.
Everyone of our embassies should be heavily guarded and shoot to kill orders given for the slightest breach. Place booby traps of C-4 all over the place so as a last resort, we can bomb the entire block we are on to kingdom come. At least we'd have the satisfaction of knowing we took those devils with us.
i read these right wing posts and can't believe they are from the same species. GP phone home. i must have been left here by aliens or something. lol Get me out of here .
There I corrected your post.
Go look at the $1 Billion US Embassy at Iraq. That costs $1 Billion per year to operate. Same with Pakistan, soon to be Afghanistan, etc..
And: elaine-2138913, the funding requests do NOT go directly to US Congress, they go first to the Secretary of State (SOS). SOS Clinton, "Funding was not the issue", how about researching what the issue actually was (hint: was not what the issue was; but, who the issue was. Orders since February 2011 as "Low US Presence at Libya").
And who keeps telling the US Military that they must be mindless robots and only obey orders.
Ask yourself the question: Did the US Ambassador himself decide to go to the US Consulate knowing that Benghazi is right in the middle of the Holy Warriors of Islam that went to Libya to Murder US Ally President Gaddaffi the Collaborator to the Christians, Jews, Unbelievers or did someone (with no on the ground situational awareness) Order him to go there (and why). And while you are figuring that out, go research who the CIA actually works directly for, and what was the CIA's Mission at the US Consulate at Benghazi.
Just a simple math problem: Calculate the flight time of aircraft flying from US SETAF, Southern Italy, of the US Military Forces (including USAF, and USN) of US AFRICOM that participated in Operation Odyssey Dawn and Operation Unified Protector at Libya to the US Consulate at Benghazi.
How do you think the slow propellor driven Unarmed RQ (Reconnaissance Drone, speed 135 mph) got there before the over 7 hour attack was over. Now research the capabilities and speed of an AC-130W (additional information, AC-130s are Redacted, as usually fully mission loaded including fuel). Do you see something very wrong.
What is also known from previous photos, is that the Ex USN SEALs and most of the US Security Forces did have Laser Designators for Terminal Guidance to paint targets on their M-4s/M-16s, that would have been used with an Armed MQs (Drones) or AC-130s for precision CAS (Close Air Support) that USN SEALs are trained and experienced to do. The speculation was that the Ex USN SEALs did Laser Designate "paint" the Ansar Al Shariah mortars while on the roof when they heard the unarmed RQ believing that it was a armed MQ.
You want real Facts or just partisan political non factual opinions.
The main President Obama Reason, Political Gain, Reelection.
Do a Causative Timeline. Recommendation: Start your Causative Timeline with President Gaddaffi as a US Ally as negotiated by US Secretary Of State Condoleezza Rice. I used a heck of a lot of pieces of paper, pins, and different colored strings (connecting critical events, main events, moderate events, minor events). You might end up filling up a few walls, this is almost impossible to do on a computer (see the whole picture without scrolling). Before anyone starts name-calling, this is the same method that works used by Law Enforcement, Intelligence Agencies, etc.. At least you did not have a time limit. Also there are no irrelevant details, cross check each piece of US information (tainted, biased) with multiple sources especially using Non US (not tainted, not biased). Knowing and using the Science of the Interrelated Systems Management Approach is extremely important.
I just love the way the Senators convene a hearing to obtain information about something then end up doing all of the testifying themselves. Does the nation really need to know more about what McCain thinks?
Knowing what McCain thinks is FAR MORE RELEVANT than knowing what Obama "wants" us to think !
Why did the Obama administration embark on a weeks-long campaign of lies and misinformation after this tragedy occurred ? Why all the garbage-talk about "spontaneous demonstrations" as causality ??
As in any government agency or big business, for that matter, there are layers of bureaucracy that hinder fast communications. As Panetta said, US military assets were many hours away. As it was, CIA assets in Benghazi were mobilized quickly and a rescue was mounted.
It is obvious that Benghazi consulate was in serious need of a security upgrade, but even then, all that was needed to save the life of our Ambassador Stevens was an emergency oxygen apparatus commonly available to firemen and miners. $300 million in security cuts passed by the Republican led House handcuffed State Dept. security around the world.
I find it inexcusable tht Republicans seek to exploit Benghazi attacks when they bear so much culpability in having inadequate security funding available to meet State Dept security needs. Penny wise, pound foolish.
shaak
Go back and read why they turned down the funding and stop believing what the biased msm prints.
Okie,
Tell me why they turned down the funding.
According to what I have read on the subject, including part of the transcript of Sec. Clinton's appearance before the House Committee that did the cuts, the House Republicans were most interested in cutting overall government spending. This was just one small part of their cost cutting. Penny wise, pound foolish according to Ben Franklin.
It's a dangerous world out there folks, and yet hundreds of our diplomats serve in these countries; how is it not one poster on here can spare a word of appreciation for the men and women who risk their lives serving our interests?
The problem was most of the money asked for was not for the security of our embassies but other projects less needed. If the pollys would put a reasonable and affordable bill with no added pork things may have been different. You say the house repubs are interested in cutting spending. I'm sure the repubs agree the utopian life the dems push would be great if it was free. Seems our potus thinks we do not need to pay our debts so borrow all we want from they say china I say the world bank but hey what difference does it make. We are so far in debt and yet we give foreign aid and ship our jobs off shore which both was made possible by a dem.
The security budget did include building projects that were being done by the State Dept on an ongoing basis since the embassy bombings in the late 90's at the hands of Bin Laden's terrorist organization.
Obviously, an upgrade for the Benghazi consulate would have been a new candidate (after Libyan civil war) for building funds for a security upgrade. No funding leads to no plans for security upgrade at Benghazi consulate.
Holy smoke, okie58, you are one stupid okie. I lived in Oklahoma for awhile, and it was people like you who make me glad I'm no longer there.
You blame everything bad on liberals, and Democrats, but the Republican/TPers can do no wrong. Not only that, your grammar, word selections, and sentence structure really suck.
okie
go back and read the reports ..in every catagory since Obama took office he has cut government spending and reduced our deficit. The only ones who want to keep spending on their pet projects are the gop. Funny how spending is never an issue when the gop are in office. "deficits dont matter" quote Cheney. Things wer epretty good during the Clinton years for everybody Okie..it took Bush 8 years to turn it around and drive us right into the ground...or did you foget all that?
As far as adding amendments and pork? I think that no amendments should be allowed to be attached to any bill that doesnt have anything to do with the main part of the bill.
Our government bought brand new cars etc etc etc for embassies in PARIS ETC ETC ETC. The sad fact is our government does not use money wisely. Its not a repuk are dem problem the problem is we had enough money for additional securty but it was spent on luxuries at other embassies. our government is famous for spendin 500 buks on hammers etc etc. fact of the matter is something is very very very starange went on in the Bengazi attacks. We normaly send troops in to at least try to help. Something is very very very wrong with the entire stituation.
High rolla
$500 for a hammer is often considered a way to fund a black ops budget. Unless you can show the invoice from the factory that received $500 for that hammer and interview workers at the plant, can you really be so certain?
There is certainly some waste in government, but secure vehicles for our embassy staff in areas where there is a potential for America's enemies to kill or kidnap our officials (such as Paris) may not be a luxury at all. Years before Bin Laden, other terrorist and separatist groups operated in Europe. Large immigrant populations from the Middle East make France a potentially dangerous place for American diplomats. Just because it hasn't happened yet, doesn't mean it cannot happen there.
Ok Shaak think about now Bengazi is in the top 5 of most dangerous places and Paris is not. Ok we had enough money take car of Bengazi but we didnt have enough to buy Pairs new vehicles and give Bengazi security. So we chose to buy the new vehicles and now were saying we didnt have enough money. Well in actualy fact we did but we didnt put Bengazi ahead of Paris when Bengazi was the most dangerous of the two at the time.
Oh High Rolla
Think about the time line on funding requests, purchase requisitions, manufacture to specs, and receipt and deployment of the security needs of our embassies, consulates and trade missions (almost 280 separate facilities) around the world. A time span of one to two years is quite likely.
It is nice to be so certain of how things work when the actual workings of the acquisition process are seldom, if ever, discussed. Time lines need to be considered before jumping to the conclusion that you absolutely know what went wrong.
There have been terrorist attacks in Paris. Do our diplomats there need to put their lives at greater risk, so Benghazi consulate (after Libyan civil war) could be upgraded while our billionaires continued to get the Bush tax cuts they never needed? We need to provide adequate security for our embassy personnel everywhere. That is what is so wrong about the $300 million in security cuts made by those who refused to rise taxes on the rich.
Bottom line is we dropped the ball big time on Benagzi and money ddint really have anything to do with it. In fact more dems voted for the cut you are reffering to so you are complety trying to blow smoke up my ass. Next thing you will be trying to tell me Clinton left a surplus when the congress was complety controlled by the repuks between 94 and 00. I hatr to break this to you but Obama has made sure our billionares are well taken care of. The fiscal cliff bill included 61 billion in tax breaks for Hollywood NASCAR etc etc etc. Also our billionares pay capital gains taxes therfore their rate only went up to 20%. Warren Buffet is still paying less than his secretary. People like AL Gore Warren Buffet John Carey and Mitt Romney dont pay the indvidule rate only small businesses and people who get paid big paychecks like movie stars and pro athletes pay the 39% rate.
It is impossible to say money had nothing to do with Benghazi. The security budget was cut in a Republican controlled committee and the State Dept was left with a $300 million hole in its budget when it determined what to spend on heightened security for Benghazi Consulate and Embassy in Tripoli after Libyan Civil war. Many cuts in requests for more security spending were made at embassies and consulates around the world.
I agree with you that millionaires and billionaires should still pay more in taxes.
"Okie" -
Wow... i have read a few of your comments and I have to say that overall, you have a very interesting point of view... ya' know, in your world...
(oh, and be sure to say Hello for me, if you happen to run into- Dorothy, Tin Man, cowardly lion, and Scarecrow... but Don't Mess with the flying monkeys... I mean, hey.. if you think Seagull's are messy !... ;)
Have a Great Day, my friend !
Shaak Im gald you agree on the fact that Obama is actualy looking out for the rich. Alot of people put their blinders on and dont acknowlege that actualy fact. I apreicate your honesty alot of people dont even mention that fact about the fiscal cliff bill that Obama signed givng the rich 61 billion in tax breaks. However you got the facts wrong more dems voted for the cuts.
Walkingeagle - Weren't Dorothy, the Tin Man and the Lion from Kansas? Did they land in Oklahoma? I don't remember that.
Maran - agree - but Hillary said "what difference does it make now." No one seems to want to take the responsibility for the deaths of these 4 men. One question that I would like to ask Panetta is - WHO gave the order to STAND DOWN.
Apparently you are not really a "confused voter". I agree, my friend!!
Maran - my user name for these posts began during the campaign. At the time, I could not determine who was worthy of my vote. I am no longer confused but choose to keep my user name to remind me what a POS the American people re-elected.
Confused Voter thinks that no one seems to take the blah, blah, blah.......
........but, but, refuses to accept that SoS Clinton did indeed take responsibility!
What I want to know is WHO told the administrations reps to go with the movie story? And WHY did it continue after 2 weeks?
And now we know it wasn't the movie WHY is the guy still in jail?
But what does it matter at this point...it was only 4 Americans murdered.....It's not like they were "kin" to the administration personnel.......
Chilled - Hillary may have said that she takes "the blame and that she was committed to getting this right" - but at the same time she said WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE NOW. What exactly did she take the blame for? Did she give the order to STAND DOWN. Who gave that order? Can't we find that out? Yes, to Hillary, it doesn't make any difference now - because she has resigned. I hope she has nightmares every single night about witnessing the murders of these 4 men while she sat on her fat ass and did absolutely nothing at all along with her POS POTUS. Everyone with a brain knows that this was all for political gain - election coming up - don't want the American people know that we have terriorist attacks - might hurt O BOMB O's chance of being re-elected. It was covered up from day one - the families know that the lives of their loved ones were nothing but sacrifices for Obama's gain.
Confused, it's very easy for you to sit at your computer and rant.
Let's put you in Benghazi on that night with all that was going on. Let's see how you react. Let's hear what you tell people who demand answers...
Hindsight is 20-20
fielden
what kind of logic is that
This administration is going to find someone to blame on know matter what issue comes around. The first lesson you teach children is don't be a tattle tale and don't make excuses for your own shortcomings. I will bet when the next economic report comes out and is still below water this administration will blame the big storm that is going to hit the northeast. Pathetic!
Maybe you wouldn't be so Confused if you didn't rely on FOX for your news
You obviously didn't watch the hearing from which you are lifting the Clinton quote; here what Clinton was responding to:
You conveniently left out the rest of her statement about how we should keep it from happening again.
Listen to Fox News much?
Confused....your rant filled with name calling is not reasoned debate!
Amy - Yes, poor Hillary... She, too, did ALL she could... Even prior to the attacks when the marine guard stationed with the ambassador was ordered out of Libya (for Muslim Brotherhood reasons - political reasons), and the ambassador begged for an extension of deployment, Hillary did ALL SHE COULD to pull the guard out anyway.
Yes, she did all she could too... But no one on the left will admit to this fact (go ahead, I dare you), and none certainly will remember this in 2016...
@felden - since you think that you might have a brain, how about you go to Benghazi and see how many videos you can confiscate. Then, come back and YOU report the truth.
Amy B Portland - what you posted was EXACTLY the way it was reported by FoxNews as to what Hillary said. The whole sentence. And it does matter whether it was a planned attack, or a random (guys out walking and deciding to take out some Americans) attack, or a riot that got out of hand because of some video. We blamed it on that stupid video - knowing damn well that was not the case. We've thrown this man in jail. This administration is inundated with liars and thugs.
to Confused Voter - if you were confused about a choice between the President and Mitt Romney I suggest you may still be confused. and yes we did re-elect this President in spite of everything the Republicans did to buy or steal the votes away. there is no comparison to Romney and President Obama.
I agree there was something that went very wrong in Benghazi and I believe it rests with this Administration, and no, two wrongs do not make a right, but we are still reeling from the damage done by the Bush Administration and we will for a very long time and now the Republicans cannot even get together with this President to try to work our way out. go figure
Confused Voter: And I use Maran8th8 to remind me of Maranatha, my hope.
for ever dem-you are right about one thing. THERE IS NO COMPARISON to Romney and Obama. Obama is a complete and total failure as president and Romney is a successful business man. I'll give you credit for getting that one right.
Louie: Yes, I completely left out the rest of Hillary's statement about preventing it from happening again. I left it out because she totally changed the subject every single time she was questioned. Then, when she did speak, it was all lies and coverup.
Confused Voter (#5.5)
Your name suits you perfectly.......
Spare the country and NEVER vote again since you don't know what you're saying.
Panetta - "we did all we could do"......don't think so........there are 4 dead Americans. This is a big bunch of crap - nothing but trickle down BLAME. Obama, Hillary, Panetta - you all failed these men. May you all forever be haunted by what you saw in Real Time while all of you were sitting around in the Situation Room that night.
Hey moron, they weren't all sitting in the situation room watching in real time. You watched an edited Faux News video and believed the lie.
Oh sharky,
Can you tell me just who was in the SitRoom and who did make the decision to vacate at the cost of four lives?
Where was Obama, and doesn't the buck stop with him, or does the buck get passed on from him?
Sharky - you are the moron. Remember the picture the White House released of everyone sitting around in the Situation Room watching as they got Osama Bin Laden? Well, those same people were in that same Situation Room - watching everything going on in Benghazi in Real Time when these men were attacked, tortured and MURDERED. Some of us have a brain - it's apparent that you don't.
b56
according to amer girl and other sheeple it was ok since they think bush did the same
Good point Confused voter. The president probably wasn't watching as he was getting ready to fly off to Vegas for fund raiser.
Hey sharky, If in fact it was a lie please post a link to that video that fox news edited.
Sharky, you got that right. Fox News is just _______— .
the president can connect to the sitroom if he is on AF1. If he was again out campaigning, he could have been involved in the discussion.
Did anyone on committee ask the questions about the presidential involvement?
...but not as much as Susan Rice did because, Lord knows, we needed to talk about her first, right?
gees - see there you are still confused . no one watched the attack in real time and did nothing. they did not watch in real time. I think the reason for your confusion may come from Fox News - they are a world of misinformation
for ever dem - I don't watch Fox news - they did watch the attack in Real Time. You are the world of misinformation.
You know I don't even care who watched in real time.....It was a tragedy and it cannot be challenged or changed.
What I still want the answer to is WHO pushed the movie narrative and WHY did it continue for two weeks after the attack when the truth was known by the administration?
I need to know if the president and his staff are a group of con artists and liars.......Right now without giving a rational explanation of this indicates there reason to believe deception was the chosen plan of action.........
This STINKS of a coverup by the Empty Suit and his ilk.............Just like Fast and Furious..........
Yes it requires a brain for an imagination as well. The Bin Ladin attack was planned ahead of time with the seal team carrying cameras with the ability to transmit to the White House. If you even read the article here you'd note the attack was over before even any drones could have arrived to transmit images. If it makes you feel better you can add this conspiracy theory to the one where Obama was born in Kenya, holds secret Muslim meetings and what ever it is you think he's hiding about his school records. Insanity runs deep but in your case not so much.
THERE WAS NO REAL TIME VIDEO stop watching fake news you pos
The Republicans have not questioned the Janitors at the General Services Administration. Maybe they saw something in the trash that was thrown away by an assistance deputy to the assisatand Deputy to the administrative assistant to the deputy secretary of Commerence.
This thing is a Government comedy.
As Republicans continue their long-running effort to find out more about the security failures that led to the Sept. 11, 2012 attack on the U.S. diplomatic mission in Benghazi...
Because the Democrats and this administration don't want us to know what happened, and the Obama-fellators in the media will do everything in their power to keep the American people in the dark.
Rationalthinker, we KNOW what happened.
The difference is, Dems actually have a functioning memory and it is not necessary to repeat things over and over into perpetuity.
Unlike Republicans who can never seem to remember a darn thing.
Now, that's funny
Why weren't Repubs outraged when several embassies were attacked and Americans killed during Bush's 2 terms????
Why weren't Repubs outraged when the 9/11 memo predicting an attack by plane, ignored by SOS and Bush.
It is a tragedy and more security is needed in terrorists countries....but that is part of the package when you are working in those countries....the possibility of being killed is always there.
There you go...............blame Bush - again. This administration is also known as "THE BLAME GAME" - they are not willing to say that someone fuc*ed this up.......
Confused,
Those who worship upon the Obama alter will forever blame Bush for the failed obama policies.
B56 - you are absolutely right. Their Muslim God can do no wrong. They all worship a big piece of @!$%#! This tragic act was not the fault of anyone except Obama - he will forever have that monkey on his back.
dragon
repubs were outraged then and are even more so now because this potus should have learned by past mistakes.
And the right wing will insist that the Bush Presidency left no negative imprint on this nation that we still struggle to recover from.
A "new" version of the "old" blame game .... grow a pair will 'ya !!!!
Obama is burying this country with his added trillions in debt each year. Focus on HIS "negative imprint" if you have the guts ...... oh, never mind ..... I keep forgetting ...... you don't !
dragon - I didn't care for Bush but I will give him credit for addressing the nation immediately after 9/11 and not running away and hiding for months and not making any statement like the current POTUS and his Sec. of State did. They were both running scared - you see, they had to get their story straight.
Dragon-1573721: Perhaps the current smoke screen is coming from SECSTATE and SECDEF in testimony because of the illegal operation they were a party to. Just a thought. It is the undercurrent in all media coverage. Was what they were doing legal or illegal under our National laws and also international law?
"Confused Voter" -
its funny that YOU would mention ""THE BLAME GAME"" and then start crying when folks try to push for some fairness in judgement from the republicans by pointing out the Historically lopsided amount of outrage when republicans made errors,.. i guess its not as much fun to have a Witch Hunt, when it isn't being played your way ...
so maybe you could just recognize the point being made about "SELECTIVE OUTRAGE"... so that you can move forward with the festivities, Because obviously people DID make Grievous Errors, and you are naturally wanting to enjoy this one small morsel that you have been thrown, in what has otherwise been a campaign of Republican Failure... so i cannot say you should not Enjoy it.
but seriously you just come off like a whiny child, when you complain that people Bringing up the past, is taking away from the "festive lynch mob" atmosphere.... aww,..get over it. and perhaps find a new talking point that you can have fun with ! (because like it or not,.. the "SELECTIVE OUTRAGE" point IS valid..... boo hoo !)
Walking -You better get to the nearest Emergency Room - you just overdosed on the kool aid.
am I the only one that finds it ironic and hypocritical that the same people that lied for months not just about WMD's in Iraq, but Pat Tillmans death, are the ones questioning here? These are the same people that helped conspire to hide the truth about his death, and then violated his last wishes and used his funeral as propaganda for their illegal war...
Congress needs to come to the realization they are partly the blame for the lack of needed security in Benghasi due to denying funds to the State Department.
McCain has thrown everyone under the bus when it comes to this terrible predicament, but refuses to take his responsibility voting NOT to give the State Department the needed funds to protect our people.
This committee meeting is a waste of congress time. this Benghasi incident is done and past. It is history and the congress needs to move on to the needs of today funding the defense of our country, instead of providing this show on public TV. John McCain is fond of badgering our generals who made decisions they were qualified to make. McCain is so out of touch, that he can't stand or listen to those in authority of our defense department. He is so much in denial of his ability to function in the senate th he is no longer an asset for the office he serves. McCain is a hawk that wants a war in every instance our military is engaged in today.War make money for the rich. He is rich!!!!
if you so called intelligent people would go back and read about how much money was actually for the security of our embassies and how much was for other non security issues you would apologize for your ignorance. Thats the problem with the bills the dems push most of the money they ask for is not intended for the actual cause but some project that gets added to the bill because on its own it would never get the funds.
sorry I said the dems but it's all the pollys both dem and repub that try to slide in hidden projects. I'm not dem or repub but this is a left leaning media and when people try to blame one side or something is ok because bush did it I really wonder about our so called educated youth. I say youth since older citizens should know better than to say a wrong is ok since someone else did it
What a LYING POS. I hope al quaida does All it can and the Pentagon does the same when it's Panetta's time. Hopefully Soon. The Blood of the Four DEAD Americans, is On Hussein, Hillary and Panetta's Hands. No Amount of LYING Will Get it Off.
The blood of 8000 Americans is on GW's and the GOPs hands.
wood
so that makes it all ok right
Yup..., most powerful military in the world..., and all the US could do was have the state department watch it in real time over a period of 7 hours or so. And some folks believe this do do...
Real time? Only on Fox News...
Maybe the drone's camera was out of film.
The Washington Post debunked the real time BS from Fox news. Fox admitted a long time ago that they lie and deliberately distort the news on public airwaves.
314159,
Prove that it was watched in "real time".
(note; you won't be able to because it is just another RWNJ conspiracy theory)
Silver - why don't you call the father of murder victim Tyrone Woods and talk to him about the video and our POS leaders watching in Real Time. Call him - see what he has to say to you about it.
No wonder you are "Confused".
Thus far, in FOUR YEARS, not one single conspiracy theory advanced by the RWNJ's has proved to be correct. Why not just give it up, admit that we have a Great Man in the White House, and move forward together for the betterment of the USA.
Why weren't Repubs outraged when several embassies were attacked and Americans killed during Bush's 2 terms????
Why weren't Repubs outraged when the 9/11 memo predicting an attack by plane, ignored by SOS and Bush.
It is a tragedy and more security is needed in terrorists countries....but that is part of the package when you are working in those countries....the possibility of being killed is always there.
It's OK.....if you're a Republican.
They weren't outraged because Reps. didn't tamp it down to get reelected. Obama tried to push this under the rug until after the election. He wanted voters to see him as the savior for getting Bin Laden (who by the way was not even a threat anymore) and to not allow the public think Al Qaida was still a threat.
Elaine in an earlier post said it was the Republican Congress's fault for not funding money for security for the State Dept. and emabassies. The State Dept. high ranking officials themselves testified about this in Sept. before Congress that lack of funds had NOTHING to do with this. The lack of funding wasn't even in effect yet at this time. However now that this incident happened perhaps that will change.
Navy Seals ignored an order to stand down, because Americans were in danger, when they asked for help, they were denied, they died attempting to do what their govt. should have done, come to the help of Americans, this was meant to be the "October Surprise" where the "captured" personel would be "freed" by the usurper in command, but he not being a true American could not fathom a true American ignoring illegal commands and so the "crowd" thought he had double crossed them due to the seals and they killed the diplomats in revenge! God Bless the TRUE Paitriot Americans who tried to assist, while the usurper played games with their lives!! OATH KEEPERS will always point out the Oath Breakers like this usurper Kenyan in office.
"Ursurper"? If I remember, he was voted into office.....twice.
How do you know any of this? You are implying Ambassador Stevens appeared to you in a dream and revealed the events to you, and only you. This sounds more like some crazy theory posted on infowars.com, or more commonly known as the Nut Farm.
Wow. Quite a theory.
Lookee that, a real live birther!
NDD - the best part is he "knows" motivation behind why it all happened - so the Usurper could create a fake rescue mission that turned out to be a fake rescue mission gone bad - but not a mission that went bad so to speak, a mission that turned out intentionally bad because the Usurper isn't a true American. Now, do I have that correct, or did I miss something there?
It is much like one of those great novels, where the spy turns out to be a double spy, then turns out to be a triple spy.
Isn't it the truth RedDev? Where do they get this stuff?
Freedom,
You sound a lot like Herman Cain and nine, nine, nine.
Wow. Faced with even more facts that nothing could be done, the GOP is still calling it a coverup and will most likely call Panetta a liar. Maybe the 9/11 truthers are not too wrong after all???
So you are saying the 4 Americans WERE, in fact, killed as the result of spontaneous demonstrations against an anti-Mohammed film clip ..... that nothing at all was planned by Al Qaeda ..... and that the "spontaneous demonstrators" just happened to bring significant weapons along that night...... Is that right ??
Something could have been done BEFORE the attacks ..... Hillary ignored repeated requests for more security.
Something could have been done DURING the attacks ... military forces in southern Italy were close by.
Something could have been done AFTER the attacks ... "telling the truth" would have been good, but Obama's re-elcetion chances were deemed more important and the campaign of lies began !!!!!!!!!!!!
That is BUULSH!T Leon!!
You have facts to dispute that testimony?
4 dead Americans and many emails requesting more security. What the hell! This administration has yet to take responsibility for any of it's failures. We will all pay the price. You my friend are a lemming!
The biggest question of all - if Stevens knew security at Benghazi was so precarious, why did he ever leave the main consulate on, of all days, 9/11. I am not blaming him for his own death, but it would have seemed prudent to have taken heightened precautionary measures.
Tapado, where are you getting all this anger and bitterness. In fact, red or blue, none of us are lemmings. May I suggest cleansing deep breaths?
TO: tapado who wrote:
I had to laugh out loud at that one!
We've been waiting for years for Republicans to take responsibility for the way they took a healthy economy with a $450 billion dollar surplus and world peace, and turned it into the 2nd Great Depression after they lied us into an unnecessary trillion dollar war.
So far, all we've heard from Republicans are lies and denials, saying that, just because they were in office does NOT mean they were responsible for anything.
American girl, in case you didn't notice, Bush has been out of office for over 4 years. Current failures are this administrations doing. Obama never admits mistakes. He is one! Go back and listen to Obama's campaign speeches before his first term. The things he accused the Bush administration of being irresponsible about, he has committed two fold in half the time!
And as of late, with Hagel's confirmation hearings, and now Panetta, All that the Geriatric McCain can do is belittle, and become very arrogant against the JCS, and SECDEF. MCain truly has lost touch with things. It is now time for Congress to start working on things that matter, and stop digging up the past with all their committee's (Which in themselves don't work). Congress doesn't work, and the polls show it is at historical lows. (People, YOU, the American People VOTED them back in) Instead of voting on giving themselves pay raises, let's start working on bills that start CREATING and ENFORCING term limits for these members of congress who have been in there for 25+ years. And start creating items, and agenda's to help us rebuild and come back to the country that the Good Ole USA used to be.
The world is a vastly different place than when these dinosaurs took office, start understanding the present. There is no cold-war anymore, that ended in 1989. Our enemies now exist in the 'Sandbox' and on the Korean peninsula. Even China is worried about another nuclear test from North Korea.
TO: tapado who wrote:
Well, unfortunately the carnage that Bush caused still lingers, and Republicans using their political offices to stall our economic recovery is hurting us too.
All Republicans want is another shot at Domestic Terrorism like destroying the entire United States Economy and bankrupting millions of Americans.
U wanna know how Bush stole the surplus and started un needed wars?? 9/11/2001 !!! U really think there were terrorists flying those planes?? Were there even planes to begin with? The World Trade Center towers were both simply shell buildings....nothing in them but a shell as is the new Freedom Tower, it's a shell...9/11/2001 was planned nearly 40 years earlier, the war of terror was preplanned as well.... Our government, and their corporate, military industrial complex masters do not want anyone to know they are just playing games with society....it is all just fun and games to them...real people do not matter to these evil evil people. 9/11/2001 was an inside job.....go back to the Nixon administration with Rumsfeld and Cheney and Bush I.....they are the true planners (terrorists) of 9/11/2001......They are planning as we speak the next big terrorist plot.....and it is World War III coming to our door steps very soon......
@Tapado
Yes Bush has been out of office for 4 years now, we all thank God for that, now we pray to eliminate the republican obstructionism , so that the economy will fully recover and the President most of us are grateful for can fulfill the mandate given to him by the American people.
Hey Juan Felipe......are you OK man? Do you need a pill or shot or something? OK everyone.....just back away slowly!!!
Faux News ran an edited smear special that implied that everyone was watching the attack in real time in the White House situation room. When Hillary testified she nearly began to laugh when a republican senator asked her if she was there and she then explained that the story he was referring to was "not accurate" and that she and others had no real time video feed. It's amazing how stupid and gullable faux news viewers are!!
I'm not a grammar nazi,sharky, but you spelled "gullible NBC viewers"wrong....Just wanted to point that out.
So is she saying they didnt watch the OBL raid in real time? They were in the same situation room with the exact same technolgy. So either the pitcure of all of them in the situation room watching the OBL raid is fake or shes was liying about the not being in the situation room during the Bengazi atacks. Which brings up a bigger question why in the hell wasnt she and Obama and evrybody else in the situation room during the attacks.
High Rolla,
It's not the same technology. The raid on OBL was planned, the Navy Seal Team had cameras and transmitters. We have yet to develop the technology like a crystal ball, that can just look in any where in the world, anytime.
It a may be a good idea to place cameras at all U.S. facilities, but in my opinion, privacy issues would have to first be debated.
Silver Flyer what rock you being living under we have had satalites for years that can give us real time info. They had the exact same technology and you are one naive person if dont know that.
You're delusional Rolla, our satellites don't have the ability to zoom in on any area of the world at any time.
LOOK A WHALE!!!!!!!!
Squirrel!
Love that line in the movie UP!
Drones, Benghazi, 2nd Amendment, Oh My! Drones, Benghazi, 2nd Amendment, Oh My!
I find the timelines to be highly incorrect. I served under the AC-130 and MH-130 gunships for 9 years at Hurlburt Field, FL. On Sept 12th 2001, the day after 9-11, we mobilized a deployment package from Florida to Turkey and made it there on the ground in under 20 hours and that is about 7500 miles with two stops in Baltimore and Germany.
Right now, at Mendenhall AB in England, there is the 352nd Special Operations Groups with MH-130 Combat Talon's ready to go. Mendenhall is just under 2000 miles from Libya. A response time of 6 hours would be no problem also considering that Mendenhall houses the 100th Air Refueling Wing too.
Let's not forget we have bases and attack aircraft, choppers and refueling tankers in Italy...a whopping 950 miles from form the center of Italy to the center of Libya.
Try again!!
Irrelevant. Thanks
How is it irrelevant? Please explain.
It wasn't just the time required to get there...it was an assessment of the threat. In the attack on th Consulate, it was over within an hour. NO deployment from outside of Benghazi itself could have assisted in warding off that attack.
Then fighting ceased. The attack on the Annex came hours later. This was small arms fire initially and the response (additional forces from Tripoli and local pro-American militia) was thought to be adequate to the threat.
The mortar attack was limited and came late. [I believe the Republican time-line indicates that attack came at around 4 AM to 5 AM. It was during that attack that the two former Navy Seals were killed by the mortar fire. Following that, the decision was made to evacuate Benghazi, which was accomplished over the next two hours.
Yes, but protection was requested days before and according to the Obama Admin...there were demonstrations occurring outside the Embassy for hours prior to the attack.
So, if I am in a commanding position and a high ranking official from a U.S. EMBASSY requests assistance AND there are apparent "demonstrations" going on outside the building...Im activating a deployment team immediately. No questions asked.
When activated, that team could be in place within a matter of hours if not less. Currently and for the past 12 months we have had forces within 1000 miles of Libya.
If you were in the service, I assume you know something about the chain of command. Requests for additional security would go up through the State Department bureaucracy and then over to DoD, where the order would come back down the chain of command to General Ham (I believe he was the operational commander).
You may be absolutely sure than unless some prior agreement has been reached with the U.S. State Department, DoD does not deploy forces into sovereign nations to protect U.S. installations without coordination with the State Department.
You are simply ignoring the testimony of both Panetta and Dempsy.
But, you can be rest assured such orders come down with alarming speed when the situation is deemed credible. Time Complaince Orders are rated as Standard, Urgent, Emergency and Immediate. By 7pm on Sept 11, 2001 we had orders printed and ready for deployment the next day. This was for a location and enemy that was unknown 12 hours prior and in reference to a trip 7000 miles overseas.
For forces to be within 1000 miles and the location, victims and situation KNOWN, forces were readily available to be deployed. Im just saying, to be inside 1000 miles of the AOR and to suggest it takes 9-12 hours to respond is pure nonsense.
Im not ignoring their testimony at all. Unlike you, I simply dont believe it!!
It is very veyr very starnage that we didnt send anybody in. This was highly unusal because we have units ready for this kind of situation. I was in the 82nd at Bragg and we were jumping into Panama within 24 hrs of gettiing the call. The 82 also has a brigade in ITALY which most likely could have been there in time. Not to mention Special Forces Rangers Navy Seals etc etc etc. Somebody made a decision to stand down and normaly that would be a decision the commander in chief would have to make. We are prepared to take out american citziens with out due process so I find it very disturbing that no action was taken.
I love all this contrived anger. This is what happens when weak minded people only listen to fox news and Limbaugh. They spew lies 24/7 and you just lap it up.
It doesn't matter one bit what Panetta or anybody else says, Limbaugh tells you that those are lies and you drones believe him. This is just one more excuse for you to hate President Obama. The BS conspiracy theories you spew are a joke. What happened was a terrible thing and we need to correct the failings that led to the tragedy.
All this garbage all of you are spewing is just that, BS garbage.
What does Obama tell you that you do NOT believe? Anything?
Tell you what Rob. Stop believing everything those bagger chain emails and Limbaugh tells you then maybe we can have a conversation.
Till then I look at you as a weak minded individual who is being led around by the nose by Limbaugh, fox and the baggers.
This should be treated like Fast & Furious? Obama's transparent administration using Executive Privelege? What about those of us who voted for Obama that are disillusioned at Drone strikes killing civilans and children but doesn't want Americans to be armed? What of his talk on the "view" or the UN and all the other jiberish his administration spewed for the election? Too much for me to call it "Change and Hope"
Dennis Price, another Obama sheeple. Are you outraged at the President's new liscence to kill. I am sure you and the rest of your lib friends were enraged with waterboarding and the Patrot Act and were vocal about it. I know NBC, ABC, CBS, and the rest of the media are going to report on it at anytime. At anytime this will be talked about by all you liberals because I know you could never be considered a hypocrite!
If Obama didn't want the Patriot Act - why did he extend it?
Ha. I'm not even a Republican!! I voted for Obama in 2008...do I have to send you a copy of my vote?
See, I think logically and see the hypocrisy on BOTH sides of the aisle. I hold no loyalty to any one party or political motive. However, the hypocrisy from the left is so ridiculously evident and loudly projected it's hard to ignore.
Dems and Libs can't hold their own accountable for ANYTHING anymore. It's politically incorrect to call out Obama, anyone in his administration, ANY minority, ANY female or ANY homosexual.
However, white males have red laser dots on their foreheads and that's okay. See, to be tolerant and not discriminate, you must accept EVERYONE and EVERY point of view (even if it's against YOU).
Wow Dennis! You had better stop or you're going to make Rob angry. BTW, I agree with you 100%, Fox just stirs things up to keep their base of viewers angry and bitter and watching for the next sensational lie. Also, I don't agree with everything that Obama does. This drone memo makes ME wonder what could happen to ANY American citizen.
Please, name one piece (with a supporting link) of proposed legislation that disarms Americans.
Wyo2
So where was your anger at the killing of a couple hundred thousand civilians during the Iraq war. A made up war that we should never have been in, based on lies, yet you call me names? You need to check yourself pal.
Hope and change only happens when people want it to happen. You clowns on the right made that impossible. Now we just want to vote you out so the serious work and heavy lifting can get done. Till then, move aside. You truly are, in the way.
NOBODY wants to disarm Americans. I can't believe how weak minded you some of you people are. NRA BS propaganda, and you lap it up like thirsty dogs.
I'm with Rob - too far left or right and you become a basket case. The Obama administration is just so full of themselves they don't realize we all want to walk to the center. The 2 party system is worthless
Rob, you can't be that angry. Really, you think that that's the case? I don't have a laser dot on my forehead. I voted for Obama because we cannot go backwards. We can't go back the the 50's. We must move our country forward (all lurching and awkward). I still have faith that we, as Americans, will still as a whole, do the right thing.
BTW Wyo2, I do agree with you, the two party system is very, very corrupt and corrupting. See, it's not impossible to talk.
Take a deep breath and relax.
FrisbyDog
That's why we have to watch them like a hawk, but to make this some kind of left wing conspiracy is ridiculous. Better drones then troops into harms way.
I'm not a republican and voted for Obama in 2008, he said some good stuff like closing guatanamo, reducing the debt and deficit, getting out of 2 wars, the Dream Act, sooooo which one of those did he accomplish in 4 years - none. I don't believe in the NRA but now they are authorizing drones to use by the police and homeland security. Where did my rights to privacy go? My right to pursue happiness? Yes I hunt but do not belong to the NRA. Until Obama decided he could kill Americans that are a threat - that he whinks is valid, he can shoot you and anyone of those around you remotely from a drone.
FrisbyDog,
No, I'm not angry. But, I know the typical overly sensitive liberals tend to think simply disagreeing with someone means they are ANGRY and HATEFUL.
Comment: "I dont agree with that...I have different viewpoints and a different mentality than you".
Liberal response: "You are a racist, bigot, homophobic, sexist and hateful person".
Wyo,
I am neither democrat or republican! I am an INDIVIDUAL who could care less about what "party" an individual belongs to......I also voted for obama in 2008....what a mistake that was!!! He made so many promises and followed through on 2 of them that will be costing the American People billions! People once again believed his empty promises and once AGAIN, he gives little and takes away alot more!! I believe that this "president" is turning our country into a police state as he takes away our freedoms and our rights!! He is cutting away at our military defenses and increasing homeland security that will control the American People. He is stripping our 2nd amendment, which gives us our protection from home invasion and he is doing the same to our 1st amendment that has protected our right to worship our various faiths without fear of prosecution. In his first term, he set the stage by doubling our national debt so that he could raise our taxes and begin the elimination of our middle class which is what has been the difference that has made our country the greatest country in the world for so many years and given the lower income families hope for a better life. To insure that it remains a 2 class country, he is wanting to flood it with around 10 million illegal aliens and give them citizenship, which will take jobs away from our current citizens. I believe that obama wants these illegals for his growing "Homeland Security" since they will owe their loyalities to obama and not to the American People!!
Kiss my azz Linda, you aren't from Montana, you are just one more bigot from the south. I am from Montana, not anymore though as it just doesn't have an economy. The illegals aren't going to bother me, I went back to school after being a bricklayer for 10 years, got my Masters at 40, now at 55 I make 6 figures,. I live in WI now and have voted for Obama twice same as I voted for Walker twice, for him and against his recall. The GOP is just the party of hate, with white trailer trash like Linda from Montana that put their new name Tea Party cause they didn't like KKK or the Christian Taliban, all trash. People have been getting killed at our embassies for a along time. Ever hear of Beruit, the embassy then kidnapping the CIA guy, Kenya etc etc. I was by our consulate in Tijuana last year, it looks like a fortress we don't need an embassy or a consulate where the country can't defend it. As for McCain, in 2000 I waited in line for 2 hours in Chicago for him to sign my copy of his book, only person I have ever given money to for his campagain, today he is nothing but a bitter old man, a joke. The dumb azz that chose Palin is going to tell us about decision making!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Lindsay Graham is just frusturated cause he can't come out of the closet, disgusting. Anyway Linda you are a stupid whore and you are not from Montana
DM57 how do you stand on the Patriot act and the drone attacks and the abilty to kill american citzens with out due process? Also whats your take on waterboarding?
Rob - Obama tells me that he has a bit of hope that Congress will stop obstructing and work with him to do the People's work during his second term. I don't believe him.
You do know Obama is a politician....right?
Obama is wanting to borrow and spend so his policies don't look so ridiculous.
TO: Wyo2 who wrote:
Republicans are the ones who "borrow and spend" and that's a well known fact in American History.
Republicans have a very serious deficiency in taking personal responsibility for themselves and the poor choices they make while they falsely try to blame others for the mistakes they make on their own.
No that's just a Washington thing. And yes Obama has doubled the debt in 4 years. He needs an accountant, a calculator, and then a limit on his credit card.
It's Congress' credit card, not the President. Take a civics class and learn how spending is created.
Then go sequestration!
TO: Wyo2 who wrote:
So what? Republicans borrow and spend us into oblivion and never paid a bill, and never paid back any of the loans they love to take from China.
The loans taken to pay for World War 2 have never been paid.
TO: Wyo2 who wrote:
Fine, but Republicans will never allow that to happen because it affects their coveted Defense budget.
Sequestration will cause a recession.
Why not follow the present path which is reasonably chipping away at the 4.2 trillion needed to balance the budget over time. Half the amount in revenue and cuts has already been achieved.
Why not go sequestration? It was the Empty Suit's idea in the first place.......I mean every idea this turnip has is supposedly some kind of a nugget....so how's come you libs aren't support this idea???
Silver Flyer, Revenue has already been increased under Obamacare through higher taxes on "the wealthy". They were increased a SECOND TIME under the fiscal cliff deal !
Where are the spending cuts Obama promised as part of his Presidential campaign ? Was all that a LIE ??
TO: Silver Flyer who wrote:
Well, that explains why Republicans are calling for sequestration, it provides Republicans with another opportunity to bring harm to the American People and the President of the United States.
American slut
Republicans are the only ones with the fortitude necessary to do what is hard or unpleasant for better results in the long run. The dems are the party of tax and spend out of control. No wonder the LOW IQ voter base that hurles the DEMS into office are all broke and bankrupt.
I wouldn't expect you to understand simple budgeting or economic theory. You are after all a libtard troll
Jim 1455434, It's not hard to decern the Truth with only a little effort.
So let me get this straight in 10 years we will still be about 26 trillion in debt? Dude you are very naive Obama just signed a ficacl cliff bill that was going to rasie some revune and in the same bill he gave 61 billion in tax breaks to Hollywood NASCAR etc etc etc. The very rich people that he claimed hes after. Dude untill we see that debt clock clock going down instead of up what you just posted is plain smoke being blown up our asses. The hard cold fact is no matter how hard you think we are sticking it to the rich we poor and middle class people will pay. I went to Walmart yesterday and just about evry item was higher than last month. You see the fact is the rich are the ones who sell us goods and services so when thay pay more so do we.
Funny .... no links to supposed article .... only selected quotes ! Where is the ENTIRE article and are these "cuts" merely reductions in future planned increases ?
Schedule for next week.
The Republican investigative committee will have the White House head cook testify on Bengazi.
Probably more informative.
The gopers just don't want to admit they were the ones that cut security funding for the Embassys or admit to all the other attacks on the Embassys under the Bush dictatorship.
Yep - the cook probably took dinner into the Situation Room for all of them while they watched the murders - wonder if they all had cocktails too.
Starbuck, they just don't get irony. Confused voter is now just making stuff up :(
Starbuck - what BS they had enough money to budget extra security. That's just a crock so that the State Dept gets more money. Maybe Hillary bought too many pantsuits with the money budgeted for Benghazi.
starbuck49
The gopers just don't want to admit they were the ones that cut security funding for the Embassys or admit to all the other attacks on the Embassys under the Bush dictatorship
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Sorry but the vote to cut the funding was 149 dem - 147 rep. Just repeating false information won't make it true.
Jane?Doe
Via Steve Benen, I see that Darrell Issa might have a wee problem on his hands when he holds his hFor fiscal 2013, the GOP-controlled House proposed spending $1.934 billion for the State Department’s Worldwide Security Protection program — well below the $2.15 billion requested by the Obama administration. House Republicans cut the administration’s request for embassy security funding by $128 million in fiscal 2011 and $331 million in fiscal 2012. (Negotiations with the Democrat-controlled Senate restored about $88 million of the administration’s request.) Last year, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton warned that Republicans’ proposed cuts to her department would be “detrimental to America’s national security” — a charge Republicans rejected.
Ryan, Issa and other House Republicans voted for an amendment in 2009 to cut $1.2 billion from State operations, including funds for 300 more diplomatic security positions. Under Ryan’s budget, non-defense discretionary spending, which includes State Department funding, would be slashed nearly 20 percent in 2014, which would translate to more than $400 million in additional cuts to embassy security.
The Romney campaign argues that such extrapolations are unfair, because Romney and Ryan haven’t specified which programs they would cut and by how much. And that’s the problem: The danger in Romney’s plan is not in the few cuts he has detailed but in the many he has not. If Romney follows through on the tax cuts he has endorsed, increases defense spending by $2.1 trillion over a decade as promised and maintains Social Security and Medicare as they are for those 55 and older, he’d need to cut everything else government does by nearly a third — or more than $200 billion — in 2016.
earings today about inadequate security at the Benghazi consulate. Dana Milbank reports:
That's the problem with budget cutting: it sounds great when you're thumping tubs on the campaign trail in front of adoring tea party crowds, but when the actual work of governing comes up, those cuts have to come from actual programs that do actual things. Like protecting our embassies.
The fact is the funding cuts were voted on, and the vote was 149 dems - 147 reps.
You can drag in Romney, Ryan or anyone else you hate, it won't change the facts.
If you watched any of the hearings, C. Lamb testified that Funding was not an issue at all when the decisions to ignore the pleas for more security were put forward.
Elijah Cummings and Eleanor Holmes Norton. The two claim that the deaths of the four Americans in Benghazi were due to Republican cuts in the budget… specifically cuts in the levels of funding to embassies and consulates. it’s a charge that was first made back on October 2, by Nancy Pelosi.
Cummings and his fellow liberal liars are referring specifically to the final fiscal year 2012 omnibus appropriations package that included $2.075 billion for the State Departments embassy and consulate security programs. It is a figure that is $567.5 million less than what the Obama administration’s requested. while it is true that Republicans proposed the bill that contained these cuts, it is also true that while a total of 147 Republicans supported the bill, 149 Democrats also cast their final vote for the bill and the cuts contained in it. And Elijah Cummings, the ranking Democrat member of the House Oversight Committee who is blaming the cuts for the murder of 4 representatives in Benghazi, was one of them.
When asked during hearings if the refusal to provide more security was caused by budget cuts to embassy security, Charlene Lamb, the Deputy Assistant Secretary of State for International Programs replied “No Sir” . So according to Lamb, a lack of available financial resources was not behind the lack of proper security in Benghazi.
According to Eric Nordstrom, the man responsible for security in Libya, told member of the House Oversight Committee that the Obama Administration decided to “hope everything would” change for the better rather than provide additional security.
He added; “So when I requested resources, when I requested assets, instead of supporting those assets, I was criticized,”
Nordstrom further stated; “There was no plan. And it was hoped that everything would get better.”
The recent outrageous and hypocritical attempts by Cummings and others on the left to blame the Benghazi attacks on Republicans sponsored budget cuts is just another example of how desperate Democrats are to ignore the facts and rid themselves and their President of the need to be held responsible for their actions that led to the deaths of our Ambassador and his three man security team, and the attempted coverup of the facts after the attack.
It's official: Lindsay Graham is a jerk (to put it nicely) who's NOT looking for answers, but his next sound bite on Fox "News". By the types of questions he asks, he exposes the fact that either he doesn't know how security crises are handled at the highest levels, or he intentionally pretends not to know in order to ask stupid questions and paint a false narrative. If POTUS isn't constantly on the phone with Panetta, then he has no information as to what's happening? Really? Let me guess your theory Graham - Obama was playing basketball and eating chicken wings instead of following the Benghazi attack??
McCain - Huh? I don't get what's going on with him. Really weird questions, he just comes across as bitter about everything. Personal, not professional.
I'd be a jerk too if I was a guy named "Lindsay".
As soon as I hear John McCain say, "Yes, Sarah Palin is an idiot and I should have sent her packing back to Alaska" he has no credibility - and all I hear is Charlie Brown's teacher - "wonk..wonk...wonk....".
maga, spot on! It's funny, in a sad way, I used to like John McCain. Now, to borrow a phase from MIB, he's just weird and busted.
Someone needs to tell McCain that he's not running for President anymore. He comes across almost as if he's a bitter old man who must have been locked up, tortured, and starved for years on end until he was so full of hate that he can't help but lash out, then tries to redeem himself by getting elected President but is thwarted at the last minute by some newcomer....and a coloredfellow at that.....who was in diapers while McCain was eating bamboo soup in a tiger cage.....oh, wait a minute....never mind.
McCain needs to stop acting like he is the president! He's not, and we don't need him conducting foreign policy from the angry backside of a congressional committee. Really! He wishes he was "in the situation room", but he is not.
His judgement as someone who could lead the country was permanently compromised when he picked Palin.
Permanently compromised.
Never forget Palin.
Maga: I don't agree with McCain and I fear poltitics plays the lead role in alot of rersponses. That said...I just came from a year deployment to Afghanistan.......Bottom line.."We stepped on it" big time. I hope u can agree on thar
Make Progress
You got that one right. Quite frankly, he not only has bad judgement, he really is not that bright. To make matters worse, he is old, angry and even his wife hates him.
I find it quite interesting that maran8th8 said that in her 45 years of service she has not heard of a general ignoring correspondence or he would be summarily dismissed. Then open the pages of your history book. Pearl Harbor had many instances where top brass was informed of impending Japanese attack. Some top brass even ignored communiques altogether and some dismissed radar warnings of a large mass of aircraft headed towards the Pacific base as something else and look at the damage, destruction and loss of lives that arose as a result. However, lets look at a more recent set of events that were even more destructive than the Benghazi attack, which occurred on and over American soil, during a republican administration and no one is questioning anyone about this including john mccain who was very prominent in that republican administration. How dare you people act as if the Benghazi attack was the worst attack to ever befall an American presidents administration. While certainly the loss of life is the most glaring of the conversation. Certainly we should not excuse the POTUS or any other cabinet member for failling to perform their job at the expense of American lives, however, this is not the case. I caution you to perform a simple math analogy. The total loss of lives and cost in dollars for the destruction left as a result of the September 11 attacks where bush and his administration showed a complete and utter incompetent grasp of the charge for which their titles called for is inexcusible and borders on criminal. Everyone should, even to this day, be screaming for someone to give an account for the total failure of a government to protect her people and its sovreign soil from such an attack. How dare you try to make Benghazi a mountain out of a mole hill (not excusing the loss of life)
Just another liberal asss hole sticking up for the Illegal muslim n the white house and all his liberal asss holeF-yous all because your all anti-american, socialist dickssssss.
Nazareth, you're too stupid for a response.
NazarethBlueEagles: hahahahahahhaahahahahahahahahaha Dude! You're so poorly educated it is hysterical!!! hahahahahahahahaha What a dope! hahahhahahahaha Why not study for the GED and pass it before you embarrass yourself again??!!?? hahhahahahaha
I love the ones that laugh like TJefferson...we can see he knows how to spell haha.....but what do you do when you hear the facts? Keep on laughing you moron.