Senators, John Brennan brace for national security showdown in CIA hearing

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CIA director nominee John Brennan during a meeting on Capitol Hill in Washington on Jan. 31, 2013.

Amid new developments and revelations, President Barack Obama’s national security policies, past and future, are set to come under Senate scrutiny Thursday.

Most notably, Obama’s nominee to head the Central Intelligence Agency, John Brennan, will address what role the targeted killings of terrorists, either by using drone strikes or other means, have played and should play in national security policy.

Questions about targeted killings intensified Monday after a report by NBC News revealed a Justice Department memo which argued it was lawful for the president to target U.S. citizens who are leaders of al-Qaida or “an associated force.” Brennan will be appearing before the Senate Intelligence Committee for his confirmation hearing.

On Wednesday, an Obama administration official said the president had directed the Justice Department to give the congressional intelligence committees access to classified memos justifying the targeted killings policy. Until now the administration had refused to do this.  

Addressing the past on Thursday will be Defense Secretary Leon Panetta and Gen. Martin Dempsey, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, as they testify before the Armed Services Committee about the Sept. 11, 2012 attack on the U.S. diplomatic mission in Benghazi.

Senators on the panel -- especially Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C. -- want to know how the U.S. military reacted to the attack, and what the Defense Department’s internal review revealed after the event.

The two hearings will feature contrasting political color: Republicans -- led by Graham, Sen. John McCain of Arizona and Sen. Kelly Ayotte of New Hampshire -- have been the ones who have made an issue of the Benghazi attack almost since it took place. They’ve implied that a full accounting of what happened was delayed until after the presidential election. Graham held up Obama’s nomination of Chuck Hagel to be defense secretary until he could get a chance to question Panetta about Benghazi.

But Obama’s drone policy -- directed largely by Brennan in his role as Obama’s counter-terrorism adviser -- has drawn criticism both from progressives on the left and those on the right who are fearful of an excessive concentration of power in the presidency.

On Benghazi, much is already known. In its report on the attack, the Senate Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee said last December that Panetta’s Defense Department and Hillary Clinton’s State Department hadn't jointly studied the availability of U.S. military forces to defend or rescue the U.S. diplomats in Benghazi in the event of a crisis.

The Pentagon’s Africa Command didn’t have planes, helicopters, or other forces close to Benghazi on the day of the attack. “The Djibouti base was several thousand miles away. There was no Marine expeditionary unit, carrier group or a smaller group of U.S. ships closely located in the Mediterranean Sea that could have provided aerial or ground support or helped evacuate personnel from Benghazi,” the report said.

As for Brennan and drones, Micah Zenko, a fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations and author of a new report called “Reforming U.S. Drone Strike Policies,” said Obama’s choice of him as CIA director “now places him as the lead executive authority over all CIA drone strikes. The real question is whether John Brennan’s move from the White House to Langley to be director of the CIA is in fact an effort for the CIA to get out of the drone strikes business.”

Zenko noted that Panetta recently said that the Pentagon, not the CIA, should be conducting the drone strikes against al-Qaida suspects.

But Zenko cautioned against those who would head into the Brennan hearing with high hopes for new information. Having read transcripts of the past 10 CIA director confirmation hearings, he said, “It would be unprecedented if there were an in-depth discussion about ongoing covert activities.” The Senate Intelligence Committee “simply doesn't work that way, especially under chairman Sen. (Dianne) Feinstein” of California, he said.

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Zenko added that the most useful line of questioning of Brenna would be regarding his conceptions of airpower. Brennan has repeatedly used the cancer analogy for air strikes killing terrorists without damaging the surrounding “tissue.”

“That's a dangerous, antiseptic, and unrealistic conception of military force,” Zenko said.

Interrogation vs. deadly strikes
But Obama spokesman Jay Carney told reporters at a White House briefing Wednesday, “Far fewer civilians lose their lives in an effort to go after senior leadership in al-Qaida” by using drone attacks “as opposed to an effort to invade a country with hundreds and thousands of troops and take cities and towns.” Implication: if you want to avoid another Iraq or Afghanistan, then support Obama’s drone policy.

Carney said Obama believes “that we need to move forward with more transparency as well as create, in his words, a legal framework around how these decisions are made.” But Obama believes he has the full constitutional authority to order targeted killings -- “transparency” or no transparency.

For those skeptical of Obama’s policy, there will be two other possible lines of questioning directed at Brennan:

  1. Do the foreign policy costs of Obama’s use of drones -- alienating and angering people in Muslim countries -- outweigh its benefits?
  2. Does the drone policy suggest that Obama would rather kill jihadists than capture them? Adding more detainees to those already held at Guantanamo -- a facility he pledged to close but hasn’t -- could amount to a political public relations headache.

The drone strikes have been unpopular in Pakistan and other countries. Making the case that drone strikes have high costs as well as benefits, the former U.S. commander in Afghanistan, Gen. Stanley McChrystal, told Reuters recently, “What scares me about drone strikes is how they are perceived around the world. The resentment created by American use of unmanned strikes … is much greater than the average American appreciates.”

Brennan has an opportunity on Thursday to rebut this view. He argued last August that “contrary to conventional wisdom, we see little evidence that these actions (drone strikes) are generating widespread anti-American sentiment or recruits” for al-Qaida. The targeted strikes against terrorists, he said, “are not the problem, they are part of the solution.”

Finally, Thursday’s Brennan hearing is a chance for senators on the panel to ask him whether Obama is using drone strikes as a less politically troublesome option than capturing detainees and putting them in Guantanamo.

This is an argument that former Bush administration officials such as ex-CIA director Gen. Michael Hayden and former CIA legal counsel John Rizzo have made.

Last week in a panel discussion at the American Enterprise Institute, a conservative Washington think tank, Hayden said interrogating al-Qaida operatives is a vital source of insight into the terrorists’ plans and capabilities:

But he warned, “We have made it so legally difficult and so politically dangerous to capture that it seems, from the outside looking in, that the default option is to take the terrorists off the battlefield in another sort of way” – in other words, by killing them. This could result in a loss of valuable intelligence.

Rizzo said, “It’s always been in the agency’s institutional DNA to want to collect intelligence by all sorts of means, especially human intelligence. You can’t collect human intelligence from a dead guy.”

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I look at the accompanying photo of John Brennan and feel like I'm looking into evil?

    Reply#55 - Thu Feb 7, 2013 11:16 PM EST

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    IF YOU ARE SICK OF BIASED OPINERS WHO LIE AND CALL THEMSEVES JOURNALIST, THEN PUT THEM OUT OF BUSINESS...THE ABOVE ARE BARELY HANGING ON...SHOW THEM WHERE THE REAL POWER OF THE RIGHT IS.

    LET THE LIBERALS SUBSIDZE THE ABOVE SLOP ON THEIR OWN ...and watch them die for lack of sales

    ***Copy and paste this on 25 blogs as I have done...and watch the butterfly effect that has alredy begun to hit near critical mass***

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    Reply#56 - Fri Feb 8, 2013 1:29 AM EST

    That was excellent....truly

      #56.1 - Sat Feb 9, 2013 11:34 AM EST
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      If strikes are not for retribution but for future acts. Sounds like the movie "The Minority Report". Where are we heading?

        Reply#57 - Fri Feb 8, 2013 7:41 AM EST

        I do believe that when a police officer is under fire by a suspect the last thing he or she will think about is due

        process. The same thing I believe about the use of drones. Why waist a life to take a life. Use drones, to take

        out the terrorist, regardless of their nationalities A terrorist is a terrorist is a terrorist.

          Reply#58 - Fri Feb 8, 2013 11:25 AM EST

          I firmly believe that drones have one use and that is to kill people who want to kill Americans. If those people

          are in a foreign country and happen to be American why should we worry about DUE PROCESS. If they have or

          had the opportunity to kill other Americans in a combat situation they deserve what the drone provides. Death.

          Collateral damage is regretable but

            Reply#59 - Fri Feb 8, 2013 11:39 AM EST

            Obama is just one of the 25% of the Black males from Chicago who have been in jail for violence or drugs. He wants to take guns from the innocent people and lets his drug gangs kill kids without retribution. Look at Chicago!!!! Who has guns - Black drug gangs! Who are 80% of the victims - Blacks! Who are 80% of killers - Blacks! The 75 years of Democrat rule has turned Chicago into a violent cesspool of ignorance.

              Reply#60 - Fri Feb 8, 2013 11:50 AM EST

              rober34-- I think you are living in a violent cesspool of ignorance. Now, back to the three repub stooges and their obvious pathetic retirbution tactics. sorry, cranky old man, you lost the election and this will not endear you to the American public. time to resign, McCain.

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              Reply#61 - Fri Feb 8, 2013 2:20 PM EST
            • YES...this a copy/paste....but tell me
            • Somebody please tell me (seriously)
            • Why, on 9/11 while we were under attack in Benghazi, did our President only have ONE conversation in 8 hours with our Secretary of Defense, the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs, and/or the Secretary of State ?
            • I know he was on his way to Vegas, but was he drunk ?....passed out ?....doing coke ?.....tell me WHY our President on the anniversary of our largest domestic attack (next to PEARL HARBOR) was unavailable for over 8 hours ?
            • ...and Bush has been out of office for over 5 years...just answer the damn question
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              Reply#62 - Sat Feb 9, 2013 11:18 AM EST

              trouble : you sir are just another treasonous member of a small minority ! You and your kind are as un-american as i can remember ! The Republican party should stop all this crap and except that the Mr Obama won in a landslide and has the overwhelming support of the American people !

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              #62.1 - Sun Feb 10, 2013 12:06 PM EST
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              trouble1954: I will tell you seriously that the President is never out of touch with world or national events. Ever seen a special that shows the inside of Air Force One? Assuming he knew, what was he to do? All military and State Dept. personnel are at his disposal- What should he have done when he found out? You assume that he did nothing- Please take a deep breath and remember that the election is over. It is time to step back off the ledge.

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              Reply#63 - Sat Feb 9, 2013 2:19 PM EST

              Well i have just seen Lindsay Graham on meet the press and he is saying he will hold up nominees of both Hagel and Brennan unless he gets information about Benghazi ! Well as i see it the answers have been given and this is a dead issue and needs to be put to bed and we need to move on ! The Republican party is engaged in a witch hunt in an attempt to discredit the PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED SATES , what a tresonist act ! The other question i have is where was all this republican outrage when President Bush allowed the most deadly attack in The United States history ! where was this outrage and investigations than when 3000 americans lost their lives on American soil ? So where your Answer Senator Graham ?

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              Reply#64 - Sun Feb 10, 2013 12:00 PM EST

              Kill, Kill, Killl..... Dead People cannot talk about the continuing horror

                Reply#65 - Sun Feb 10, 2013 7:00 PM EST

                I rarely go by the cover of a Book to base it contents., but Mr. Brennan looks to me like the Poster boy for any criminal enterprise or a New Jersey Hood, or Union Enforcer, as well as a example of a KGB Bureaucrat. He just looks capable of killing his own Mother and killing American citizens for Obama....Sorry but maybe that is Hollywood's years of training me to believe what evil people look like...Now to realize he was the Daily Intelligence Briefer to President Clinton, and that He was Also President's Bush CIA Briefer! After finding that out, I wonder if Brennan was behind the Revelation or the source of the story that Saddam Hussein had Weapons of Mass Destruction and "Set Up" President Bush for his obviously Demoncrat friends.... And now to find out Brennan was Obama's daily briefer as well, we must wonder about the Benghazi incident...No, he may have had a long career working dutifully for the CIA but I'm sorry, I just do not trust the man to head up the Agency especially after so many Rats in the Obama Administration have been jumping ship, meaning is Obama Scrapping the bottom of the Barrel or did this guy engineer those resignations?? At this critical time in our Country and the world, we do not need a brown nosing Demoncrat flunky, but an American Patriot at the helm of the CIA...

                  Reply#66 - Mon Feb 11, 2013 8:25 AM EST
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