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U.S. House Speaker John Boehner, R-OH, addresses the media following a Republican Conference meeting on Tuesday at the U.S. Capitol in Washington, DC. From left are: House Majority Leader Eric Cantor, R-VA, Conference Vice Chairman Rep. Lynn Jenkins, R-KS, House Majority Whip Kevin McCarthy, R-CA, Rep. Susan Brooks, R-IN, Conference Chairman Rep. Cathy McMorris Rodgers, R-WA, and Rep. Tom Price, R-GA.
Published at 4:35 a.m. ET: After their electoral drubbing last November — their second straight in a presidential contest — Republicans have faced a choice. Do they change their policies or their tone?
For now, many top Republicans in Washington seem to have opted for the latter, deciding that a more articulate re-statement of the party's long-held principles will suffice in their effort to attract new voters to the GOP.
"I wouldn't say shift in policy," pollster Jim McLaughlin said of his advice for fellow Republicans. "Republicans have to make adjustments there, but they have to stick to their principles."
McLaughlin's words echo what many Republicans have argued since the election: It's not the party's long-held principles that are the problem, but rather, the way the party's leaders articulate those principles to voters.
House Majority Leader Eric Cantor, R-Va., offered a perfect example of current Republican thinking when he delivered a major policy speech that rehashed a number of familiar policies on education, immigration and entitlements under his new "make life work" veneer.
The No. 2 Republican in the House re-framed some of his party's most familiar proposals as an agenda intended to ease the plight of most American families. (The lone new pronouncement was Cantor's endorsement of the thrust of the DREAM Act, a proposal to allow undocumented immigrants who were brought to the U.S. as children a pathway to citizenship.)
He disputed the notion that his speech was part of a broader effort to soften the GOP's image: "The average American is not thinking about and wondering about where the Republican Party is," Cantor told one questioner.
But the Virginia congressman's speech is representative of an emerging consensus that a more modern restatement of their long-held principles will suffice in seeking to broaden the party's appeal.
And indeed, President Barack Obama's agenda seems poised to stress-test some of the Republican Party's most bedrock policies.
If Republicans can rebuff the president, it could prove the resiliency of their stances. A victory for the president, on the other hand, could tear through the GOP like a buzzsaw. The GOP is arguably facing the most direct challenge in decades to the tenets that have formed the foundation of Republican Party politics for the better part of three decades.
Republican Eric Cantor calls for legal residence and citizenship for children brought to the U.S. illegally by their parents at the American Enterprise Institute, a Washington conservative think tank.
Public opinion shifting
Republicans' decision to hew closely to those long-held principles is not without dissent, however.
"People focus on the 2012 elections, but it's deeper than that," said former Ohio Rep. Steve LaTourette, a Republican who leads the moderate "Main Street Partnership."
"It can't just be tone," LaTourette argued. "Because just changing the tone is going to be like putting a lipstick on a pig — it pretties things up, but doesn't really change the fact that it's a pig."
The next four years — the midterm elections in 2014 and the next presidential contest in 2016 — will offer a major test of which school of thought is right.
Obama's second term agenda seems almost directly intended to challenge the GOP on taxes, entitlements, immigration, social issues and foreign policy.
Terminally low taxes, hawkish foreign policy, largely unfettered gun rights and opposition to abortion and gay rights have defined the GOP since the election of Ronald Reagan in 1980. And as recently as 2004, President George W. Bush's re-election seemed to signify a sweeping affirmation of these central principles.
But Obama already won new revenue during the first installment of the "fiscal cliff" fight, and his forthcoming budget is almost sure to seek more tax increases. The president is demanding an immigration bill and the first major gun law since the 1990s. Obama has also consistently advocated for new gay rights, and public opinion has followed (however slowly). And last month's NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll found that a majority of Americans support abortion rights — an issue which Democrats used against Republicans to great effect during the election — for the first time in history.
On an even more foundational issue, last November's exit polls revealed a change in tide against Republicans' opposition to new taxes under any circumstances. Almost half of voters — and 70 percent of independents — agreed that income taxes should increase, at a bare minimum, for households earning more than $250,000 per year.
For Republicans, the road map back to victory involves speaking less stridently about some of these issues, and emphasizing certain elements of the GOP platform over others. Virtually all Republicans recoil at the comments last fall about "legitimate rape" by Missouri Senate candidate Todd Akin, but no mainstream GOP leader has suggested that the party jettison its longstanding opposition to abortion rights. The new strategy might involve sidestepping conversations altogether about abortions in the instances of rape, instead emphasizing Republican policies that might support women's economic mobility.
And already, a new effort led by former Bush political guru Karl Rove has vowed to combat candidates like Akin in primaries and help to nominate more electable Republican candidates. (A separate effort spearheaded by another onetime Bush adviser, Ed Gilliespie, and two Hispanic GOP governors, Suzana Martinez of New Mexico and Brian Sandoval of Nevada, will look to recruit more minority Republican candidates.)
LaTourette, the former congressman, suggested the answer might be simpler. The GOP, he said, is should just get things — something, anything — done.
"There needs to be some sort of reasonable approach to demonstrate that we're all in this together," he said, "a willingness to do the doable and get things done."
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...and this is why nothing will change. The big problem for the GOP is the fact they represent a shrinking number of people in the country. Fewer and fewer people support their "principles" to which they will stick to; and this will earn them a permanent minority status.
Change principles? Naw... Double down! Go for broke! ummm, right...
It is exactly the hideous policies that have to change, not only the tone. The GOP has been led down the road of fear and anger. They deal with this by "governing" in such an inappropriate way. This once proud party has been hijacked by the fringe with consent of the more reasonable people. Now the reasonable people have been forced out. All that is left is the fearful and the angry.
from the article,
"McLaughlin's words echo what many Republicans have argued since the election: It's not the party's long-held principles that are the problem, but rather, the way the party's leaders articulate those principles to voters."
Frankly, the problem is not the way the party articulates polices or principles, it's the image that the media and the democrats have given to the party, that's the problem. Even Ray Charles can see that they (media and dems) have been successful in "branding" the republicans as the party of 1%er's or of old white guys and that they don't care for the "little people". Anything the media reports is lapped up by the low information voters and repeated ad nausea until it is successfully ingrained as fact. The taking away of medicare, social security or school lunches are just a couple of examples how the "branding" of the party has been successful to the low information voter and changed public opinion of the party into what it is today.
The GOP is self defeating, there will always be some moron that will say something so stupid it makes all American wonder if that idiot had to much to drink, last election was a great example of that. They are not what I'd call team players but dictators, the scare tactics and out right extortion that actually hurts most average Americans really don't help either, I can see if our economy is strong but right now people need help and these people want to put more people out on the streets, they seem to live in another place not here in America.
This is just another step in the wrong direction by the pubs.
They must be taking stupid pills or some other brain numbing stuff. If they ever expect to become a party of relevance once again. Then they must go back to basics and clean house from the ground up.
The GOP is a barrier to all progress, they lost the election because they only have principles for the 1% and corporate America. Don't they realize now you can buy an election after billions spent? They have no Principles for the middle class and will eventually die.
You can put lipstick on a pig, but it is still a pig.
You meant to say "fewer people support principles".
And yes I agree, that is why the GOP needs to change.
Watching Cantor mouth the words he hated to say and trying not to toss his cookies while he was saying htem was priceless. The new GOP is not going to change. Their philosophy is repleat with false misleading statements on failed policies and will never work. They had 6 years of total control and all they did with that was 1. Get us into wars and 2. Spend us into oblivion along with most of the rest of the world. They can take their "NEW" look and shove it. WHile they are trying to woo minorities they are working hard to deny those same minorities their right to vote.
maxx
You know a camera will only take a picture of what it sees. A recorder will only record what it hears.
So many thoughts come to mind. If you put lipstick on a pig, it's still a pig. Didn't they try this tactic putting the witch from Alaska on the presidential ticket? If it walks and squawks like a duck, it must still be a duck. Just that smug look on Cantor's face shows he's able to talk out of both sides of that mouth of his. Changing tone is not going to bring people into their cult. They need to stop attacking the American people and their way of life and stop supporting their dirty, greedy corporations. They need to start working for us, not against us!
I am a Republican, but for fiscal reasons (both parties stink at this, but I think they are the lesser of two evils). Until we get out of the morality business, and strictly focus on becoming THE party that can right the fiscal ship, we are going to continue to lose elections. I don't think we stand a chance in 2016.
Sorry Ron_Johnson, didn't see your post until I posted. Must think alike!
WOW a bunch of fools on here thinking that the republicans need tochange its policies. Yet it is the demorats that want to spend our grandchildren into HUGE debt. Hell lets push the bill down the road far enough that we do NOT have to deal with it, make another generation pay for it, we can NOT afford to pay for our own spending. Maybe by then they will be able to pay for our recklessness.
Can NOT believe that some of you think that the government is doing a good job. Hell they are doing a POOR job at best. When ever you get GOVERNMENT IGNORANCE running anything it seems to COST WAY MORE THAN IT SHOULD.
YOU idiots say the republicans are the party of the 1%ers yet more DEMORATS congress people are in that 1% bracket. I guess you DEMORATS can NOT see past your own FAILURES.
If they were for the 1%ers then wouldn't they only get 1% of the vote. Yet they got close to 1/2 must not be for just the 1%ers like you IDIOTS seem to think.
And with some clever editing you can change the context, meaning, or appearance of the recording to suit your liberal political agenda.
The more things change, the more they stay the same.
More of the usual cycle in politics.
Remember when the Democrats lost big in the 90's and they had to make changes? Revamp the party?
Now it's the Republican's turn.
Soon it will be the Democrat's turn again.
As long as the purpose of the GOP is to work for the ignorant masses, FOX, and Rush Limbaugh, they will continue being the STUPID party.
Get rid of the Sarah Palin-think alike MEMBERS, and start compromising with the Democrats, instead of just worrying about keeping your warm BUTT in office.
Lindsey Graham and John McCain are the OLD FARTS THAT NEED TO TAKE A LONG, OVERDUE hike INTO retirement. wake up and smell the coffee: The US is not just made of white people and housewives that sell Tupperware on Sundays!!!
Steve, the single most important priority to the vast majority of politicians is getting re-elected. Whatever is number two is way down the road of much less significance. They are concerned more about the next election than they are they future of the country.
Want to know what is wrong with today's Republican Party? Just read Maxx the Moocher's comment above. It says it all. To him there is nothing wrong with what the party stands for today. The problem is the "low information voters". In other words the majority of the people in this country, based on the last election, are uninformed while only the old white minority know the real truth.
It's denial on a grand scale and utter nonsense.
Although nobody will deny that it's a might ugly face the GOP doesn't need a face lift; it needs a brain behind the face. One that isn't so mired megalomania.
And Maxx, you just illustrated a big issue the Republicans have, blame everyone except themselves.....yea, it's not their fault, um um um, it's that darn liberal media and those Democrats that mess things up for the republicans.
Blah, blah, blah. Foghorn Legarse is typical of Republidummies. They aren't smart enough to figure it out.
What would Reagan think of today's GOP and it's hard right turn? Ronald Reagan would be considered a "liberal" by right-wingers today. I'm not sure he would even be part of the modern GOP and, quite frankly, who would blame him?
I dont think the GOP needs to worry about a makeover...the DNC is doing a bang up job so far with droning American citizens, even if there is no evidence against them, stockpiling hollow point bullets, and trying to desecrate the 2nd amendment...
It's very simple. The GOP must do these things:
1. Get rid of fear mongering and anger politics. Too much focus on the opposition only makes you look bad in your own right. Worry more about what you need to do, and less about how they may or may not be screwing up.
2. Create a positive image for the GOP, rather than the negative one born of the excessive slander, hate, anger, and fear. All this negativity generated by the party does just that, create negative images. Yes the opposition can and does contribute to that, but the truth is the Republicans have opened themselves up by coming up with so many negative messages. Try going for a more positive image focusing on your own virtues, rather than their flaws.
3. Come up with actual plans. You know, that are actually viable. I'm tired of all this posturing nonsense on both sides of the political isle. The Republicans could gain a lot by creating bills for the purpose of helping our country instead of solely for playing cat and mouse with the Democrats.
4. Kick out the radicals, like those people who can't stop talking about rape. All it takes is one of these to ruin your party image. You've had at least several recently. Stop catering to them. Identify them, and kick them out before they cause trouble. Stop obsessing over trying to get every person you can for the majority. You will be much more popular without them, and if you do continue to associate with them they will only drag you down with them. You will be better off and much more popular if you do this.
However:
You will likely never see all this happen, because the GOP is obsessed with making back their majority. Ironically, their obsession with gaining seats has been dragging them down. They haven't been anywhere near as focused on helping the country, and they will continue to cater to any idiot who claims to be a Republican and can win an election. At the very least, I do hope the Republicans can use this as a start down the road to a more positive message. That would be the first step to mending a broken party, or at the very least one that appears that way to the general public. I want them to do well, but they can't possibly do well approaching things like this.
Far too many negative messages are associated with the party.
They just don't get it. When they lose an election, they ask how can they re-package their product. It's the wrong question, therefor they doom themselves to failure. the only way they can win with that attitude is for the dems to put up a really bad candidate.
In my life, when I have failed or lost something, I ask myself what did "I" do wrong? What can "I" do better. it's the only way to grow and improve.
They want to stick to "core values". Which ones? the core values of teddy Roosevelt who worked for heavy regulation of corporations and foundation families, or Reagan and Bush SR. who cut regulations and gave the rich control of our destinies? The amnesty policy that Reagan signed giving ilegals green cards, or the policy of Bush jr. to build more fences? Which core?
The republican party has only one real problem. like many groups throughout the world, it's made of people who think they have a right to tell others how to live. The democrats won because instead of talking about freedom, they live it. their core is that they have no right to tell gays what to do. they have no right to tell women what to do.
I'm no a big fan of gay people, but i have no right to interfere in their lives. I don't like the immigration situation, but who am i to judge? who am I to punish a woman for having an abortion? who am I to set birth control standards? Who am i to say Alcohol is fine but pot is evil?
These are the questions the right wing needs to ask themselves. What is it that makes them believe that they can model the world in their own vision without consent of others? So go ahead, paint eh walls, polish the floors and dust the shelves, it's still going to be the same house with different dressing. the Taliban wants to push it's way on all muslims. the evangelicals want to push their way on all Americans, there's a guy in north Korea that tells all his people how to live and die.
Some day humanity will progress to the point that nobody tells anybody how to live. maybe.
that's the liberal dream. true freedom. the republican leaders cannot learn this, their personalities are based on emotion and control.
You can gift wrap a bucket of horse manure, but your wife is still going to kick you out if you give it to her for Valentine's Day. These guys just don't get it.
The Republican Party if finished.
All the GOP wants to do, is to lie to the voters more effectively, Then continue their 'all for me, and f^%& you' agenda.
Next election will flush even more Republicans down the toilet, as they seem to be rapidly losing relevance to the American people. And all the money in the world supplied by the rich will not help them.
Same stupid people trying to push the same stupid policies. Good strategy, slow learners!
The biggest change the Republican can make is to FINALLY return to the principle that free market capitalism begins with Demand NOT Supply. Until they get serious about implementing policies to generate DEMAND, they will continue on this downward spiral. Tax cuts, in and of themselves, DO NOT increase demand!
The GOP is the party that is welcoming the foreign invaders from Mexico that steal US resources by offering them low wage jobs increasing their business profits.
The look down your nose tone is part and parcel of their principles. Everything they stand for, the trickle down theory is an excellent example... it only works for the rich and that is the principle they support.
dear GOP
When you defend companies over people, when your ONLY concern is the almighty dollar for the chosen few, you have to be replaced.
Also, ...........I'll never forgive your party for rolling over on the illegal immigration issue.
niemand
Well that won't help the gop. The key word you used, "clever" doesn't apply to the gop.
niemand
Agreed! Andrew Breitbart, Bill O'Reilly, Sean Hannity and Fox News has built their entire empires on this very fact. BTW, as Fox News likes to remind everyone that they have the highest ratings among all cable news outlets, doesn't that make THEM the Main Stream Media?
Sure Maxx... keep on blaming someone else for the demise of the GOP. If you were honest you would admit that the number one news program, Fox, deliberately and continually distorts reality in favor of the Republican Party.
Were you watching on election night when Rove lost it? Do you ever listen to the hateful rhetoric that Beck, Coulter, Palin and Limbaugh spew?
The GOP keeps digging themselves deeper and deeper into a hole of hate and fear. Fortunately, there are enough rational people left in this country to see that and run the other way.
You're swimming against the current, pal.
As for the cosmetic approach, yes of course the GOP will go that route. A Republican presidential candidate is chosen on the basis of his appearance (must be cast-able as POTUS on a prime time show) and his malleability (must take orders from the GOP establishment).
OK, Maxx, tell me how these principals benefit you. All the media's doing is reporting, pretty much verbatim, what these people are saying. Romney made the 47% comment. Akin and Mourdock made the rape comments. Demint made the "break the president" comment. McConnell made the comment that his primary job was to make Obama a one term president. In the words of Col. Nathan Jessup, "YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!!!!"
The first thing the GOP needs to do is to pry their nose out of the Koch brothers' backsides. The rest of the country already knows they have no interest in the betterment of the United States as a whole.
Stop badmouthing women.
Stop badmouthing Hispanics.
Stop badmouthing blacks.
Stop badmouthing gays
Stop badmouthing people who are paid by the hour.
Stop badmouthing unions
Stop badmouthing teachers.
Stop badmouthing firemen.
Stop badmouthing policemen.
Stop badmouthing poor people.
Stop badmouthing college graduates (Rick Santorum)
Stop badmouthing anyone who disagrees with you about anything.
Stop badmouthing the media (constantly)
Stop badmouthing mainstream churches.
Stop badmouthing atheist.
Stop badmouthing Muslims.
Stop badmouthing science
Stop sucking up to Rush the Junkie.
Stop sucking up to Fox Propaganda.
Stop sucking up to crazy conspiracy theorist.
Stop sucking up to Glen Beck
Stop sucking up to the crazies of the crazies at the NRA.
Stop sucking up to fundamentalist so called "Christian" ministers.
Stop talking about rape.
Stop talking about a whole wide range of subjects you know nothing about.
Find something to sell other than fear, fear and more fear.
Call out your crazies like Michelle Backnamm.
Call out your crazies like the Donald.
Call out your crazies like Sarah Palin.
Call out your crazies Rick Santorum.
Call out your crazies like Ted Nugent.
Call out the birthers among your own.
Call out flagrant racism among your own.
Stop trying to win electing by making it harder to vote.
Stop trying to win electing by changing the way votes are counted.
Stop your hypocrisy.
Admit you are NOT losing elections because of voter fraud.
Either stop telling everyone how much you love the Constitution or stop trying to amend the Constitution time after time after time.
Understand you need a whole lot more than a “cosmetic” makeover. What you need is a TOTAL MAKEOVER.
"GOP embraces cosmetic makeover"
Gee, I wonder where they got that headline - perhaps from the Obama Administration? Making sure they use key words like 'rehash' and 'veneer'.
NBC's bias is showing - again, and again, and again.
It appears that their current motto is;
"Democrats good, Republicans bad" - no matter what the issue is. Perhaps they should register as lobbyists for the Democratic Party and stop the charade as a source of unbiased news.
The Republicans should just stick to two simple messages and keep repeating them;
1 - The skyrocketing Debt will be devastating to the future of our children.
2 - The massive increases in the money supply to fund the Deficits will result in massive Inflation, high Interest Rates, and more Unemployment.
These are simple messages that even the 'low information voters' will understand, and there is no doubt that we will have to deal with these problems in the near future.
Obama's own 2013 Budget projections show that the National Debt will increase from $9.986 Trillion at the end of fiscal 2008 to $20.392 Trillion at the end of 2016 (Obama's last year) - but President's budget projections are notoriously 'optimistic' - it will likely be closer to $25 Trillion in 2016. The Interest cost alone will be devastating.
The Chinese are no longer buying our Debt - in fact, they have quietly 'cashed in' about $200 Billion of their loans to us over the last year (they know inflation is coming), and the Federal Reserve has had to replace that money by effectively 'printing new money' - along with about $1 Trillion in new money to finance the Deficit. The money supply (M1) has increased from about $1.4 Trillion in 2009 to about $2.5 Trillion now. Every responsible economist will tell you that this is highly "INFLATIONARY" - ala the 14% Inflation and 18% Interest Rates under Jimmy Carter in 1980.
Sure Maxx... keep on blaming someone else for the demise of the GOP. If you were honest you would admit that the number one news program, Fox, deliberately and continually distorts reality in favor of the Republican Party.
Were you watching on election night when Rove lost it? Do you ever listen to the hateful rhetoric that Beck, Coulter, Palin and Limbaugh spew?
Replace republican with democrat, fox with any other msm source, and then a few liberal 'reporters', and you have the same truth.
But, generally speaking, the policies Republican's support DO only help the the top of the heap economically. This isn't successful "branding" by the "liberal media" (which doesn't exist) but rather 30 years of evidence as to the effects of their policies, namely ever-increasing separation between rich and poor.
But again, saying the Republicans want to enact cuts to medicare, social security, and school lunches has nothing to do with "branding." They DO want to do these things, they state that explicitly all the time. People don't need "media branding" to believe that Republicans want to do these things, they only have to listen to the words they speak and the policy goals they put on paper.
Uh, Roy Wilson, that's pretty much all the Republicans did during the campaign. Were you satisfied with the results? What's gonna change? America has taken the broken record and thrown it at a wall.
to be fair, their is NOBODY on the left (once Olberman was @!$%#-canned) that spews the kind of venom and hatred that Beck, Limbaugh, and Coulter spew.
Any objective observer will agree.
Good post Kevin C. If we had more Republicans who thought as you we might actually have a functioning government and get @!$%# done in Washington.
Well said, GodOfFate and George pauljohn. The thing for the Republicans to do to repair their image and to get back/retain voters is to focus on getting policies passed that benefit the American people-focus on working with others rather than "I'm going to make sure so-and-so only has one term". Kick out members of the party who can't seem to keep their mouth shut and keep saying and doing things that drive voters away from the party. Put social issues on the back burner for the moment (or forever-because that is alienating a LOT of voters) and focus on getting the country back on track fiscally. I've never really understood how one can claim to be the party of deregulation, and then turn around and try to regulate who people can marry or what religion they can be, etc. Rather than wait for the other party to drive away its voters in some giant misstep, better yourself-take a good, hard look at what you are doing and why that has failed you. Don't just keep doing the same thing, but use different words in hopes of tricking people that you're actually doing something different.
Lipstick on a pig...The new republikan look.
Look not everything is great about the current administration. That business with the drones is messed up. But still, there has been no better alternative offered yet. Certainly nothing the Republicans have come up with comes even remotely close to even being a consideration. And it is not what the media is saying, it is what they are saying. It is what bills they are voting for and not voting for. It is the people and organizations that pay them. These things are a matter of public record. I will not accuse you of getting your information from Fox Opinions, though because you may just be getting your information from your minister of your mechanic. The truth, it is said, has a strong liberal bias.
Problem with your argument is that the other Non-Fox networks were accurately describing the "truth"on election night as evidenced by the voters where Rove was in denial in favor of his own "truth".
Lipstick on psychopathic fascists pretty much sums up the stupidity.
...Or how the GOP can claim to be the party of fiscal responsibility and then spend money like drunken sailors when they are in power, at the same time cutting government revenues by handing out tax breaks to the rich like candy.
to be fair, their is NOBODY on the left (once Olberman was @!$%#-canned) that spews the kind of venom and hatred that Beck, Limbaugh, and Coulter spew.
Any objective observer will agree.
I am an objective observer. Look up some of the stuff said about the romneys during the election, head to huffington, chris matthews, talk show hosts (who's names are escaping me since I haven't had enough coffee yet).
This happens on both sides, so don't think I'm excusing the right.
@Roy: "Democrats good, Republicans bad"
Actually, More like Democrats = Mickey Mouse, Republicans = Goofey.
GOP is good and winning, Obama won the election and Republicans hold the House and the casualties as a consequence of defamatory and character assassination national political campaign were minimal. Democrats sold their soul to the Latinos supporting illegal immigration throwing under the bus our legal system. Obama won only because the Latino vote ,that works more at national level . At State level GOP WON more Governorships and benches in States Legislatures. Republicans don't need to change their principals, because sooner or later the Low Informed People will understand that welfare , big government, more regulations, more debt and more socialist policies is not the way, they already fail in Europe and will fail here too.
I think the Republicans are making a mistake by reading too much into the Hispanic vote for Obama in 2012.
In 2008, when McCain made a big play for the Hispanic vote by proposing a 'Comprehensive Immigration' plan, he only got 31% of the Hispanic vote.
In 2012, when Romney didn't court the Hispanic vote, he got 27% of the Hispanic vote. That's not a very big difference - only about 500,000 extra votes for Obama out of 127 million votes (only about 0.4 of 1%) in 2012.
Pandering to the Hispanics for votes on the immigration issue is not going to make that much of a difference. Hispanics are far more interested in the same things as other Americans - JOBS, and on this issue, Obama has been a FAILURE with his anti-business policies. Here are the REAL employment figures from the official government Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS.gov);
Average number of people employed in 2008 = 136,794,000.
Average number of people employed in 2012 = 133,254,000 - that's a net LOSS of over 3.5 million jobs under Obama.
The REAL difference in 2012 was the estimated 12.9 million extra votes that Obama got from those on public assistance (the Welfare Vote). I guess adding another 17 million people (a 57% increase) to the welfare program under Obama, and those ads about " Rich Romney will take away your food stamps" paid off big time for Obama.
Romney won the groups that DON'T get welfare by 8 million votes, but the 12.9 million 'Welfare Votes' resulted in a net win for Obama of about 4.9 million votes.
Source for data - N Y Times Exit Polls.
Here are the statistics – per the N Y Times exit polls;
Total votes for Obama among those who's average income was under $30,000 (welfare eligible - excluding seniors not eligible for welfare) = 22,300,000 votes.
Total votes for Romney among this group = 9, 400,000 votes.
Net vote gain for Obama from those in the 'Welfare Eligible' group – 12,900,000, and Obama won the overall vote by only 4,900,000 votes.
Correct. There has never been, nor will there ever be, a perfect government or administration.
Personally, I prefer the drones to sending hundreds of thousands of troops to the WRONG COUNTRY in the Middle East. Much more in the way of eliminating terrorists has been accomplished with drones than has been accomplished by our soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan, with far less collateral damage.
What's your point, Roy? Are welfare recipeints less worthy as citizens? Should their votes count less? Let them eat cake?
I didn't say everything said outside of Fox News is fair and even-handed, so I'm not totally absolving the "left" either, but on the "vitriolic bull@!$%#" scale NOBODY holds a candle to Fox News.
Charlie..pipe down lefty and get off your podium the left is equally bad no its worse!!
BOTH parties are corrupt and the left is obviously more corrupt...proof...media backing who trusts the media anymore...my point exactly. WE THE PEOPLE need to elect our leaders. We need to wipe out the freebie system as only those INCAPABLE should receive benefits for survival not flourishing. It is up to us to prepare for our future. NOTHING GOOD comes from putting your faith in Govment who lies, cheats, manipulates and steals for profit and gain. You people are all sheep if you thing this system is only broken on one side. The truth will come out and I hope all you progressives are in a god position when that happens...oh wait you deny it when the proof is there too. The truth is out there. The truth will be revealed. The people will regain control.
We are not anonymous...WE ARE THE PEOPLE.
When Republicans understand ... then they will have a chance again ....
And this is why nothing will change. People aren't looking for "cosmetic" change, they're looking for a difference in some of their ideas, and certainly a difference in their attitude. And if they're upset because they couldn't beat Obama this time, just think how the Dems. felt when they couldn't beat Bush, his 2nd term.
We're not going to change our bad ideas. We're just going to try to confuse the voters that our bad ideas are good for them.
Same Old Sh1t, Different Day!
The only thing they need to understand is ,people don't care about principals, the low information voters care about is, who will give away more freebies. Who is the "Santa" of the candidates and Obama was nominated the 2012 Santa by the media
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Or, as Tom Jones might say, "Whats new pussycat?" Ans: Nuthin.
bandit-3097615 " if they're upset because they couldn't beat Obama this time, just think how the Dems. felt when they couldn't beat Bush, his 2nd term."
And the Democrats responded by refusing to work with Bush on anything - trying to demonize him and being the original 'Party of No' whenever Bush proposed anything - like when Bush warned about the potential financial problems from the loose home lending practices at Fannie Mae & Freddie Mac.
It seemed to work for the Democrats because they took over control of the House and Senate in the 2006 elections and started opposing everything Bush proposed, and then the economy tanked 2 years later - from the very thing Bush warned about - the sub-prime lending practices.
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Ah, the good old "47%" memle that helped the Republicans so mightily in the 2012 elections, nevermind that a large chunk of those 47% are (or were) Republican voters right up to the point that the party demonized them. Or do you think there are no rural welfare recipients who vote Republican?
This is part of your messaging problem, but by all means, keep spouting this from the rooftops red, and watch your party fade into obscurity...
It doesn't matter what color lipstick you use, or even if you paint the pig blue, as long as there are members of the GOP with loud voices willing to call young women sluts for speaking out on issues like contraception, the GOP will be viewed as the party that hates. The party that wants to control procreation. And as long as they use the Bible to press their case against gay marriage, the more they paint that pig as intolerant of others, and that's a color that doesn't wash out easily.
Amuses me that the woman behind Cantdoanything has to lean her head out to make sure she gets in the picture, truly funny!
I wonder if she fell over.
2 rules for gop...rule 1, check to see if you have any balls!....rule 2..see rule 1....screw the dems, get a backbone and man/women up!
Hard to change principles when you have none to start with. Idiot Boehner even admits to never reading the platform. Ron Paul was right. Both major parties are a joke with no difference between them. It's no longer the left vs the right, it's the state vs. you.
Intolerance and hatred towards those who do not agree with you is a poor principle to live by...
For four years the GOP has done everything to obstruct the President and to make him a one term president, yet President Obama still won... Now the GOP is doing everything they can to obstruct his second term...
Why not just do what MOST Americans want you to do? Govern...
Okay, the contest is Which GOP Senator/Representative/Governor OR advisor stood up in Virginia and said: "Okay, let's slap some lipstick on this pig and go sell it like ya mean it"?
IF we as a nation follow the ideas of the republicxns today we will surely become even more of a nation run by the wealthy few..who even today are taking jobs from this country and its citizens for profits only....having little to no concerns for this nation as a whole. Their ideas of much lower pay scales to benefit themselves does nothing for this nation..but does us all down the road of most third world nations who control their workers and their pay. Consider ...Romney in some of his speaches was aginst China but had no problems doing business there because of the profits made for poorly paid and completely controlled workers. and who are the big players in the republican party..why most of the wealthy if you follow the money they handed out to just Romney alone int the past elections.
Their sign reads "Americans Deserve a Budget". This is actually true, Americans do need a budget that will help the middle class and poorer.This is by far most Americans. Helping them, getting more money into their hands means they will have more money to spend. Profit from this spending makes the rich richer, and everybody wins. It is demand that drives the economy not supply. The gap between the rich and the rest is at dangerous levels. Historically this leads to collapse.
I didn't say everything said outside of Fox News is fair and even-handed, so I'm not totally absolving the "left" either, but on the "vitriolic bull@!$%#" scale NOBODY holds a candle to Fox News.
They are pretty much all the same. The only difference is, much like comparing the democrat politicians to the republican politicians, the liberal MSM is a lot more slick about their bull@!$%# compared to the republicans.
I happen to agree with a lot of what the republican party believes in, but by the time the politicians get a hold of it and hit the public with it... well.... they are like the nerd in mom's basement with zero social skills. I left the republican party because the politicians were going off the farm with corruption and lies, and I didn't join the democrat party for the same reason.
The reason the democrat party has been doing so well is they are MUCH better at lying and putting the spin on, to where people who don't research, who don't see the patterns, will believe anything the politicians say.
Memo to GOP:
You no longer have enough money to defeat national Democratic candidates. What's worse, your strident calls for balanced budgets can now only be acheived by closing tax loopholes to the very people that have financed your way into the offices that you have managed to hang on to.
The gig is up. You've been exposed. Nobody wants to kiss a pig, lipstick or not. We've seen John Boehner handing out checks from the tobacco lobby right on the floor of the House of Representatives. We don't like that. Soon, even your gerrymandered districts will not be safe. There is no where to run, or to hide.
Your policies aren't even most of the problem. It is that you have allowed yourself to be bought by the very special interests that have almost ruined the economy three times since 1970. The investment banking industry, Wall Street, the military/industrial complex, and greedy wealthy business owners that exploit their workers and the environment. For you to change that would be the death of your party. Those people cannot ever be a majority again. Their money will go to even more conservative causes and smaller minorities, and you will continue to lose your share of the power.
Get out now, before it's too late. The redistribution of wealth is about to swing against the greedy.
Yep, you can put lipstick on a pig and it will still be a pig, but what if they call it 'Bacon?'
That's what the GOP is proposing, they'll pretty up their little pig and give it a new, more appealing name, but it will still be a pig.
At their core the GOP is rotten. They are anti-Social Security, anti-Medicare, anti-Medicaid, racist and completely out of step with the American people. They oppose these programs because they see them as "socialism." Since the early 20th century the GOP has opposed equal rights for black Americans and have embraced radical organizations like the KKK and evangelical racists like Tulsa's Billy James Hargis. They even went so far as to accuse Dr. Martin Luther King of being a communist. They are out of step with the vast majority of American people because most of us are not rich industrialists and therefore do not matter to them.
We've seen this before. This isn't any thing new. Previously they wrapped themselves in the flag and right wing evangelicalism and called themselves patriots. But Sinclair Lewis had it right, it was just American fascism.
It's Deja MOO, we've seen this Bull before.
They're going to try to talk around all issues they don't agree with or want to ignore. Sort of pulling a Paul Ryan routine, you know, when you're asked something you don't want to talk about you show your dimples and flex your muscles. It didn't work for him and it won't work for them. Sorry GOP the public is not as stupid as you would like to believe.
We've seen John Boehner handing out checks from the tobacco lobby right on the floor of the House of Representatives.
But you had no problem watching obama extend major tax cuts and loopholes to GE, Citigroup, etc..
@!$%#ing liberal hypocrite.
DrowningGrover "Ah, the good old "47%" memle that helped the Republicans so mightily in the 2012 elections"
The problem for Romney is that he included too many people in the '47%' figure that he used (which was based on 47% of people getting government services but not paying any income taxes to help provide those services).
He should have limited his comment to "I don't expect those on welfare to vote for me because Obama will probably get that vote because he promises them more welfare"
In that regard, Romney is correct - according to the N Y Times exit polls from the 2012 election, that 'welfare eligible' group (making an average income under $30,000 per year) gave Obama approximately 22.3 million votes vs only 9.4 million votes for Romney, giving Obama a 12.9 million advantage from this group. Romney actually won the other groups (the ones that pay taxes to provide welfare for those in need) by about 8 million votes, but the net result was an overall win for Obama of about 4.9 million votes - thanks to the 'welfare vote'.
Obama added 17 million people to the group collecting welfare (from 30 million to 47 million), and then suggested that 'rich, out of touch Romney would take away their food stamps'.'
It worked like a charm for Obama, but the cost to the taxpayers is hundreds of $Billions in more welfare spending, but then the Obama campaign didn't have to pay for it - the taxpayers do.
Pretty smart for the Obama campaign - using hundreds of $Billions in taxpayer money to finance his campaign - but our children and grandchildren will pay the price when that huge increase in interest payments on the Debt have to be paid for with higher taxes.
No.. it's the Corporations vs You.
Tinkle down does not work!, Until the GOP recognizes that fact they'll be nothing but psychopathic moronic puppets.
Low information voters like yourself? The problem with the GOP was they spoke of these things but didn't address them. High information voters realise that increased spending was caused by the 8 million people Bush's meltdown led to higher spending not new programs by Obama. We realise the economy lost 11 trillion in national net worth and 500 billion less revenue in that meltdown which left Obama far less money with far more in need.
We understand that cutting tax revenue 500 billion a year while increasing military funding 200 billion that the military isn't even requesting isn't responsible nor is a new space program at this time of massive debt. We understand that cutting food stamps to the poor that costs around 7 billion a month is peanuts compared to a 1.5 trillion yearly defense budget that funds 1000+ overseas bases. Let Germany, Japan and South Korea pay for more of their defense. We realise that despite the constant attempts to point social security as handouts wrecking the budget that not one penny comes from federal tax revenues, it's self funded. And we realise despite the constant references to Obama as the divider it's the GOP's hateful rhetoric directed to the poor, elderly, gays, hispanics, unions, teachers, police and firemen that are divisive. It was Bush that bailed out the banks for 800 billion and let them pay for it by allowing them to borrow unlimited free money weakening the dollar.
Agree , the idea is not scare those low information voters but show them that Republicans can be Santa too, a different kind od Santa , a Santa with small government, a Santa that will provide jobs, a Santa that will bring economic prosperity for all, a Santa compassionate for the less fortunate but also promote American values of individual responsibility , competitiveness , honesty , family values and love for the country.
It annoys me that Republicans--
-Started to call Democrats the "low-information voters" despite the fact that educational attainment has a correlation with voting DEMOCRATIC (especially on a postgraduate level) and despite the fact that the Republicans are the ones who oppose scientific consensus on everything from climate change to evolution. "Low information," they say.
-B*tch about the "mainstream media's" liberal bias, yet are quick to remind us that Fox News and Rush Limbaugh are peerless in terms of ratings. So the most listened-to radio show and the most watched news channel do NOT qualify as the mainstream media? How does that work? And how is it the liberal media's problem that Republicans have a bad image, if the conservative media have more viewers? Huh?
Here's what kills me, you guys are actually bickering over's who's better/worse? I mean come now, we all can't be that naive to believe both of these parties need to go, our whole banking system needs to go, federal reserve needs to go, you wanna know where all that hard earned money you pay goes, directly to pay for the interest on our national debt that is a never ending suckhole, designed to keep us (the country) and the world in debt.
Both parties need to go, I think the dems over the last 4 years have proved what the repubs proved the 8 before that, neither party has what it takes, as long as money controls our way of life, corruption and greed will be the mainstay of any political campaign. What kills me is that the dems/repubs have no intention of fixing the jobs or debt, because frankly they are making a sh-t ton of money off of it, so they play look at the birdie while they change things for their and their master's benefit and basically a new crisis always seems to come up when a hot topic is about to be addressed. Oil rig spill, sandy hook, now the 2nd amend is so out there in the news that basically no one is even looking at the economy or that it's ok to kill american's with drone strikes (as long as they are terrorists, yeah anyone oppossed to our gov't will be considered a terrorist)
Divide and conquer and that is all I ever see on these forums.
When did we really lose control of politicians, you used to vote for a politician because they are suppose to vote for what we the people want, now we vote for politicians on what they believe. I don't give a flying f-ck what you believe do the will of the people first, something our judges have lost sight of, do the will of the law not your party.
"The average American is not thinking about and wondering about where the Republican Party is," Cantor told one questioner.
Well, he got that part right, for sure.
What the GOP says publicly isn't their problem. It's what they believe and say privately....
What they haven't learned is that there is no more "off the record". Their bigotry and slimy underhandedness will be exposed whenever and wherever it occurs. That's what will cost them elections. Because they don't really know or care how to make anyone's life any better, except their own.
No, but that's because the average American is now secretly hoping that it is wandering around the streets, about to be hit by a car or kidnapped.
Botox away, Repubes - one of your own just sponsored a bill to make an abortion after a rape "tampering with evidence"! If that "criminalize all miscarriages" bill had indeed passed, and Michelle Duggar lived in that state (Nebraska), would you nutjobs have put her in prison after she lost the latest kid?
Such is the absurdity of the Republican Party today: what principles? They have none. They have a series of increasingly extreme knee-jerk responses. They say that they love their country while hating most of the people in it!
Facelift, makeover, call it what you will - you Repubes are still aging. Evolve, or die!
The latest CBO reported that entitlement spending is not sustainable and we need to get the Federal debt under control, so are they anti-Social Security, anti-Medicare and anti-Medicaid too?
I know, I know, we're the party of fear. Look at what the American people are being told; the GOP wants to shut these programs down, that we hate women, that we're racist, that we want to kill grandmas and see children starve... yep, that kind of language doesn't incite fear at all, does it?
The House has proposed and passed several budgets but they have NEVER been allowed to come to the Senate floor for a vote. Now who's blocking who? If the House budgets were so bad, wouldn't it seem reasonable to present it to the Senate for a vote? Present your ideas for a vote and send it to the House Senate. Where's the compromise, Dems? You've given the GOP nothing to work with.
Another attempt by the Koch Bros "think tanks" to destroy the country.
We need to keep Corporations out of government.
AndresTM "It annoys me that Republicans---Started to call Democrats the "low-information voters" despite the fact that educational attainment has a correlation with voting DEMOCRATIC"
Thanks for the laugh - Is that why Obama won the 'high school dropout' vote by a margin of 63% to 35%? That was one of the largest voting margins for Obama of any demographic group. Romney won the group with a college degree.
Source - N Y Times exit polls
The GOP change their tone?? That's funny, but it will do nothing!
It doesn't matter what the GOP does: If they become more like the Democrats, they'll just be Democrats. If they oppose the Democrats, they will be lambasted, insulted and called names the same as now.
The left owns the national propaganda machine, and they aren't sharing. Their only goal is transformation of this country into an internationally governed Marxist state.
The left has the news media. The left has the entertainment media. The left has the education system and the university system, the left has the unions.
The Republicans can showcase their actions to curb out-of-control spending, correct massive debt, halt the devaluation of currency, protecting this nation's constitution and personal freedoms, but they are screaming into the wind. The left-controlled media tells the masses the Republicans are racists who only care about the 1%, and the masses who never bother to verify information for themselves will buy into it.
This is how elections are won. This is how a country is conquered quietly.
The Republicans had their chance to stop it up until the 1950's, but they chose to sit on their hands, not make a ruckus, and become wealthy from their government connections. The Marxist infiltration has been completed. Global government is next.
Larry-367607 " High information voters realise that increased spending was caused by the 8 million people Bush's meltdown led to higher spending not new programs by Obama"
How nice of you to 'Blame Bush' and absolve the Democratic Congress that opposed Bush's efforts to reform the loose (sub-prime) home lending practices in EVERY ONE OF BUSH'S 8 YEARS IN OFFICE, which is what caused the financial meltdown.
If it's your view that it is appropriate to 'Blame Bush' because he was President, than it must be equally appropriate to 'Blame Obama' for everything that has happened since he took over - for example, according to the official Bureau of Labor Statistics (bls.gov), the average number of people working in 2008 (Bush's last year) was 136,794,000, while the average number of people working in 2012 was only 133,254,000 - a LOSS of more than 3.5 million jobs under Obama.
By your standard, we should 'Blame Obama' for the loss of 3.5 million net jobs in 4 years.
The reality is that both parties are culpable for the current mess, but the current anti-business policies of the Democrats, along with the devastating future effects of the huge Deficits, are making the situation far WORSE for our future.
@ Charlie, comment #44:
you hit the nail right on the head.
right now the GOP is still the wolf in sheep's clothing----they're just changing the wool suit
Proud 2B Liberal:
the left has the news media only to the point that their right-wing corporate owners allow them to have it---which means not nearly as much as you claim> If you're looking for propaganda you need only look as far as FOX. everything they broadcast is either carefully edited for maximum spin or so deliberately misleading it borders on a lie. I've never seen any other news outlet try to convince its viewers that palm tees grow in Wisconsin
you want to talk about how elections are won? republicans can only win them by extreme gerrymandering, denying large groups of people who traditionally vote democrat the right to vote and by crushing the only source of financial support to rival the millions of corporate dollars that flow into republican coffers: unions
Until the racists, homophobes, rapebaby advocates and antisemites die out of this Party, it is thankfully doomed to be just a smiling demon whenever they speak of immigration, gay rights or immigration issues. They refuse to see this, and I personally am delighted.
You can dress a pig up in a silk dress and call it Lola, at the end of the day it's still a pig. It's not the messaging, it's the MESSAGE.
Frankly, I don't see a problem here. The rethugs keep going down their same path and soon enough, the road underneath them will run out and they will be no more, just an ugly memory. Thank goodness! And they deserve nothing more if THIS is the best they can come up with. I kinda feel sorry for the idiots. Just a little.
250,000 new NRA members in one month. You dont think all this GOP shuffling doesnt have something to do with the mood of this country. We have seen the GOP knuckle under time and time again. The ONLY reason we lost the last election is that had the bad foresight to nominate a Governor from the largest tax and spend state in the union. A state where the constitution means nothing, where the Rights guaranteed are ignored constantly.
We are tired of being a ping pong ball, bounced back and forth. As far as the conspiracies that are going on let me end with this, when you have enough facts, its no longer a theory.
Every single thing Republicans do is focused entirely on defeating the President of the United States, NOT on the American People.
Nonsense on all counts. Clearly a president of 8 years enacts all major policies, congress merely approves funding. Bush did nothing to block any housing reforms you're simply making that up. A few democrats calling for fair lending and an end to banks red lining districts had nothing to do with the meltdown. A minority with adequate income and good credit should be considered based on those factors rather than where he lives. Nothing passed by congress required lenders to make no doc loans, no down loans. ending the requirement of mortgage insurance for less than 20% down or any of the irresponsible turns they took out of greed. Had they required these things Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac wouldn't have been able to recover the many ten's of billions they sold to them that didn't meet their requirements.
As for the job losses hopefully you're smarter than that and realise we ran under Bush's last budget for the first 9 months of 2009 when we were losing 700,000 jobs a month. Bush's last budget ran from October 2008 until October 2009 with a 1.2 trillion deficit. Start counting from the time spending began under Obama and we've had solid job growth. Another 4 million jobs were lost from January 1st, 2009 and October when Obama was responsible for spending
Republicans and their Teaiban Movement says they are a new party, we will go to extremes to build your dreams - our behavior was very Stupid, starting 2016 we will stop Sabotaging the Nation only if you vote us back in so we can start another war for our beloved 1% buddies !!!
TO: Sandie-644591 who wrote:
Yes!
Republicans are doing to themselves what they wanted to do to the entire country: keep doing the same things that failed them before, and hope for a different result.
Expecting people to pay for their own contraception isn't bad mouthing women
Stopping people from illegally coming across the border and circumventing legal immigration process is not bad mouthing.
Apparently opposing Obama is considered racism and bad mouthing, sorry can't buy that one.
We all have different opinions and often world views don't align but because I might oppose "gay marriage" or think the Boy Scouts have a right to choose to have gay members in their ranks doesn't mean they are being bad mouthed.
This one is just silly.
Unions got ugly in Wisconsin and tried to circumvent the decision of a fair election by the people. I think unions are doing a good enough job of making themselves look bad.
Qualify that just a bit... bad teachers, incompetent teachers and lazy teachers. There is NOTHING more valuable than a good education.
Once again, that is just silly. Give us evidence that the GOP is badmouthing firemen or the police.
I think the rhetoric of bad mouthing the rich and the poor adds no value to any debate. I agree that the GOP tends to be overtly critical of the poor.
I have no idea what this is about but Rick Santorum is only one person in the party and doesn't speak for all of us.
HA! Look at the majority of the comments on this vine and tell me who has the more caustic, biting and dismissive comments, the left or the right?
Why, even the president has chosen one media source to bad mouth?
Uhm, yep like the left is innocent of saying good things about Christians, Catholics and even Mormons. I'd suggest you get off your high horse on this one. It seems the vitriol is pretty lop sided when it comes to bad mouthing people of faith.
Make that militant atheist and I doubt they'll stop anytime soon, so why wouldn't people of faith have a right to defend themselves from their attacks?
Yeah, go ahead and support faiths that believe gays should be killed, women should be covered and not seen, and anyone who doesn't think like them should spend time in prison or put to death. Now let's talk about the even more radical Muslims that use terror, shall we?
Science isn't always exact. There will always be times when faith and science collide. They can both co-exist without the attacks on either side, agreed?
I can't stand him so I don't have a comment.
As opposed to Underground Democrats, Daily Kos, MSNBC (where I get most of my news). It's all a matter of where your values are. I doubt 5 million daily viewers has THAT big of an influence. That's giving them a lot of credit, don't you think?
Which crazy conspiracy theory, that 9-11 was devised by Bush and Saudi Arabian friends? It goes both ways and there are nut jobs on both sides.
Does anyone listen to him since he left FOX? In my circle of friends, I know of no one.
What you call crazy, I call reasonable. In the scheme of things, having police protection in schools seems to make more sense than taking certain styles of guns away from honest Americans.
Once again, it's a small sphere of influence on the GOP but they are vocal. It's no different than the environmentalist for the Dems.
Wow, one guy says something really STUPID about rape (and wasn't elected because of it) and now it's the whole GOP?
Be specific or stop the nonsense and hyperbole.
Fear, like we're going to kill grandma? we hate women? we want to eliminate SS, Medicare and Medicaid? we hate Hispanics? Oh, wait, that was the fear your side used to win the last election. Instead, let's talk about the out of control debt, over spending and the devaluing of the dollar.
These people don't speak for the entire GOP. Most are small players but your side needs to prop them up as if they were the entire GOP so that you can marginalize the GOP. Should I point out some of your nut jobs?
What more needs to be said? Obama's birth certificate is legitimate.
Flagrant racism? I've been called a racist because I oppose Obama's policies. It's not me who wants to make the issue about the color of his skin.
When illegals can get drivers licenses and all that a person needs to register to vote is a drivers license, then something must be done. Why is providing ID so hard? We do it for a lot of things.
Huh? 2 votes for Obama, 1 vote for Romney... I don't understand.
There's enough of that on both sides.
Talk to Al Gore about that.
Do you really know what it takes to amend the Constitution?
We'll see this next election cycle where the USA is headed, toward a middle right America or continue to the extremist left with Obama.
Just reading some of the racist, inappropriate hateful comments of their "base" on this thread is enough to convince a rational person that the road underneath them has already come to an end!
Hell, we would be most of the way back to 1990 levels of employment if the republicans thought of duty first and embraced stimulus spending on our infrastructure. Our bond market is at an all time low for interest rates, our infrastructure is crumbling, and all they think about is how to make the black guy in the White House look bad. That is what their problem is, its their regressive, anally retentive desire to return America back to the white bread America of the 1950's.
Roy Wilson
The same margin he won the postgraduate vote by.
Ceteris paribus, more education increases the likelihood of alignment with the Democratic Party. Don't mix up correlation issues, bud. The reason why "some college" or "bachelor's degree" people were more likely to vote Romney than the "high school or less" crowd is because they're better off. If you look at every income bracket, those within said income bracket who have studied more are invariably more likely to have voted Obama. Which is, again, the reason why Obama won the postgraduate crowd overwhelmingly.
Now, the least educated voted Obama because, though they're not educated, they're not stupid, and they know that Republicans are out to get them. The most educated because they know their sh*t and they know that Republican policies are retrograde and destructive. The Romney crowd is not the "high-information" one, as the right seems to want to imply when they call Democrats "low-information voters." The Romney crowd is, so to speak, the "middle-of-the-road information" one: mostly "graduated high school," "some college," "two-year degree," or "four-year degree" people; the ones who know their trade but don't know jacksh*t about economics. The ones who are in commerce, not in academia. The ones who think Rush Limbaugh knows more about the economy than Nobel laureates Dr. Paul Krugman and Dr. Peter Diamond, who heavily advocate Democrat-sponsored fiscal policies. It's not education that drives them to vote Republican, it's pure, unadulterated selfishness. They don't depend on the government, so they think there's no reason for the government to exist. In three-year-olds, that kind of mindset is called "egocentrism" and it's a perfectly normal phase of cognitive development; in grown adults, it's called ignorance or malice.
I should have said, they don't think they depend on the government. It's grossly inaccurate to say that the typical Republican voter doesn't depend on the government.
As usual the GOP are more worried about their political lives than they are about the jobs they were elected to do............as usual they are spending valuable time and resources trying to save their parties seats than in doing the work of the people.......
as usual everyone is tolerating this........
lets fire these bozo's and make a statement that when you are elected to represent the people and carry out their business you either do that as your first priority or you are out.............and this GOP thing has done everything in its power to stagnate the nations recovery and keep the nations people in misery and sorrow and disarray and as uninformed and misinformed as possible for the last four years for no other reason but to regain the White House..........
they should all be tried for treason for working against the best interests of our nation and its people.
But nope, that ain't happening............we had a President nearly impeached for messing around on his wife and the tax payers paid $40 million for the privilege but going after the guys who nearly destroyed our countries finances or the guys and gals who worked to keep it in a state of nearly non recovery.............nothing............nada................not a thing............everyone who worked to destroy the nation are all off scott free................the guy who cheated on his wife and hurt her and their daughter got tarred and feathered in public and nearly run out of office.
Go figure......................what the wall street people did and what the GOP have and are still doing is a heck of a lot more immoral than cheating on ones wife............
come on..............lets get rid of these creeps and start putting people in jail....what is the time line for prosecuting on these things any way?
@ ROY WILSON-336103
The Republicans should just stick to two simple messages and keep repeating them;
They are doing just that and look what happened against the black man who is out of his place? As a matter of fact...keep screaming this BS as loud and often as possible. The village idiot does the same thing and look what happens to them.
1 - The skyrocketing Debt will be devastating to the future of our children.
It's so nice you have conveniently forgotten the Bend Over Party did that during the jr bush administration. Two wars to show who had a bigger male member without a way to pay for it because of a tax cut. Keep talking about the two wars the BOP got us into and we are still into without paying for them. How about the Medicare medication debacle which lined the pockets of the drug companies. Not paid for either. Want to still talk about how the black man out of his place and liberals are devastating the future of the children?
2 - The massive increases in the money supply to fund the Deficits will result in massive Inflation, high Interest Rates, and more Unemployment.
It is utterly amazing that you have forgotten how eight years of failure under jr bush led to all of this. For instance...in 2000...we had gas prices around $1.50 a gallon. After the failure you beam about of jr bush...we're paying over twice that much for gas. How about those high interest rates you're so proud of? Again...based on a BOP wet dream which exploded for over 90% of the people. Then...you want to mention more unemployment. It was Obama who stemmed the tide of ever rising unemployment which was caused by jr bush.
Roy...you still proud that your fundamentalist wet dream is just that...a giant failure and like all dreams they are a lie. For that matter...how about pulling your head out and learn to breath fresh air by turning off Faux Lies...read a book and quit believing everything you hear from Ted Nugent and the rest of the fundamentalist morons.
Larry-367607 "Bush did nothing to block any housing reforms you're simply making that up."
Oh really?
For those who want to blame the Bush Administration for lack of concern over the Sub-Prime mortgage crisis until it was too late, consider this - with sources:
2001 April: The Administration's FY02 budget declares that the size of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac is "a potential problem," because "financial trouble of a large GSE (Government Sponsored Enterprise) could cause strong repercussions in financial markets, affecting Federally insured entities and economic activity." (2002 Budget Analytic Perspectives, pg. 142)
2002 May: The Office of Management and Budget (OMB) calls for the disclosure and corporate governance principles contained in the President's 10-point plan for corporate responsibility to apply to Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. (OMB Prompt Letter to OFHEO, 5/29/02)
2003 February: The Office of Federal Housing Enterprise Oversight (OFHEO) releases a report explaining that unexpected problems at a GSE could immediately spread into financial sectors beyond the housing market.
2003 September: Then-Treasury Secretary John Snow testifies before the House Financial Services Committee to recommend that Congress enact "legislation to create a new Federal agency to regulate and supervise the financial activities of our housing-related government sponsored enterprises" and set prudent and appropriate minimum capital adequacy requirements.
2003 September: Then-House Financial Services Committee Ranking Member Barney Frank (D-MA) strongly disagrees with the Administration's assessment, saying "these two entities – Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac – are not facing any kind of financial crisis … The more people exaggerate these problems, the more pressure there is on these companies, the less we will see in terms of affordable housing." (Stephen Labaton, "New Agency Proposed To Oversee Freddie Mac And Fannie Mae," The New York Times, 9/11/03)
2003 October: Senator Thomas Carper (D-DE) refuses to acknowledge any necessity for GSE reforms, saying "if it ain't broke, don't fix it." (Sen. Carper, Hearing of Senate Committee on Banking, Housing, and Urban Affairs, 10/16/03)
2003 November: Then-Council of the Economic Advisers (CEA) Chairman Greg Mankiw explains that any "legislation to reform GSE regulation should empower the new regulator with sufficient strength and credibility to reduce systemic risk." To reduce the potential for systemic instability, the regulator would have "broad authority to set both risk-based and minimum capital standards" and "receivership powers necessary to wind down the affairs of a troubled GSE." (N. Gregory Mankiw, Remarks At The Conference Of State Bank Supervisors State Banking Summit And Leadership, 11/6/03)
2004 February: The President's FY05 Budget again highlights the risk posed by the explosive growth of the GSEs and their low levels of required capital and calls for creation of a new, world-class regulator: "The Administration has determined that the safety and soundness regulators of the housing GSEs lack sufficient power and stature to meet their responsibilities, and therefore … should be replaced with a new strengthened regulator." (2005 Budget Analytic Perspectives, pg. 83)
2004 February: Then-CEA Chairman Mankiw cautions Congress to "not take [the financial market's] strength for granted." Again, the call from the Administration was to reduce this risk by "ensuring that the housing GSEs are overseen by an effective regulator." (N. Gregory Mankiw, Op-Ed, "Keeping Fannie And Freddie's House In Order," Financial Times, 2/24/04)
2004 April: Rep. Frank ignores the warnings, accusing the Administration of creating an "artificial issue." At a speech to the Mortgage Bankers Association conference, Rep. Frank said "people tend to pay their mortgages. I don't think we are in any remote danger here. This focus on receivership, I think, is intended to create fears that aren't there." ("Frank: GSE Failure A Phony Issue," American Banker, 4/21/04)
2004 June: Then-Treasury Deputy Secretary Samuel Bodman spotlights the risk posed by the GSEs and calls for reform, saying "We do not have a world-class system of supervision of the housing government sponsored enterprises (GSEs), even though the importance of the housing financial system that the GSEs serve demands the best in supervision to ensure the long-term vitality of that system. Therefore, the Administration has called for a new, first class, regulatory supervisor for the three housing GSEs: Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, and the Federal Home Loan Banking System." (Samuel Bodman, House Financial Services Subcommittee on Oversight and Investigations Testimony, 6/16/04)
2005 April: Then-Secretary Snow repeats his call for GSE reform, saying "Events that have transpired since I testified before this Committee in 2003 reinforce concerns over the systemic risks posed by the GSEs and further highlight the need for real GSE reform to ensure that our housing finance system remains a strong and vibrant source of funding for expanding homeownership opportunities in America … Half-measures will only exacerbate the risks to our financial system." (Secretary John W. Snow, "Testimony Before The U.S. House Financial Services Committee," 4/13/05)
2005 July: Then-Minority Leader Harry Reid rejects legislation reforming GSEs, "while I favor improving oversight by our federal housing regulators to ensure safety and soundness, we cannot pass legislation that could limit Americans from owning homes and potentially harm our economy in the process." ("Dems Rip New Fannie Mae Regulatory Measure," United Press International, 7/28/05)
2007 August: President Bush emphatically calls on Congress to pass a reform package for Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, saying "first things first when it comes to those two institutions. Congress needs to get them reformed, get them streamlined, get them focused, and then I will consider other options." (President George W. Bush, Press Conference, the White House, 8/9/07)
2007 August: Senate Committee on Banking, Housing and Urban Affairs Chairman Christopher Dodd ignores the President's warnings and calls on him to "immediately reconsider his ill-advised" position. (Eric Dash, "Fannie Mae's Offer To Help Ease Credit Squeeze Is Rejected, As Critics Complain Of Opportunism," The New York Times, 8/11/07)
2007 December: President Bush again warns Congress of the need to pass legislation reforming GSEs, saying "These institutions provide liquidity in the mortgage market that benefits millions of homeowners, and it is vital they operate safely and operate soundly. So I've called on Congress to pass legislation that strengthens independent regulation of the GSEs – and ensures they focus on their important housing mission. The GSE reform bill passed by the House earlier this year is a good start. But the Senate has not acted. And the United States Senate needs to pass this legislation soon." (President George W. Bush, Discusses Housing, the White House, 12/6/07)
2008 February: Assistant Treasury Secretary David Nason reiterates the urgency of reforms, saying "A new regulatory structure for the housing GSEs is essential if these entities are to continue to perform their public mission successfully." (David Nason, Testimony On Reforming GSE Regulation, Senate Committee On Banking, Housing And Urban Affairs, 2/7/08)
2008 March: President Bush calls on Congress to take action and "move forward with reforms on Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. They need to continue to modernize the FHA, as well as allow State housing agencies to issue tax-free bonds to homeowners to refinance their mortgages." (President George W. Bush, Remarks To The Economic Club Of New York, New York, NY, 3/14/08)
2008 April: President Bush urges Congress to pass the much needed legislation and "modernize Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. [There are] constructive things Congress can do that will encourage the housing market to correct quickly by … helping people stay in their homes." (President George W. Bush, Meeting With Cabinet, the White House, 4/14/08)
2008 May: President Bush issues several pleas to Congress to pass legislation reforming Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac before the situation deteriorates further. "Americans are concerned about making their mortgage payments and keeping their homes. Yet Congress has failed to pass legislation I have repeatedly requested to modernize the Federal Housing Administration that will help more families stay in their homes, reform Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to ensure they focus on their housing mission, and allow state housing agencies to issue tax-free bonds to refinance sub-prime loans." (President George W. Bush, Radio Address, 5/3/08)
"[T]he government ought to be helping creditworthy people stay in their homes. And one way we can do that – and Congress is making progress on this – is the reform of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. That reform will come with a strong, independent regulator." (President George W. Bush, Meeting With The Secretary Of The Treasury, the White House, 5/19/08)
"Congress needs to pass legislation to modernize the Federal Housing Administration, reform Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to ensure they focus on their housing mission, and allow State housing agencies to issue tax-free bonds to refinance subprime loans." (President George W. Bush, Radio Address, 5/31/08)
2008 June: As foreclosure rates continued to rise in the first quarter, the President once again asks Congress to take the necessary measures to address this challenge, saying "we need to pass legislation to reform Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac." (President George W. Bush, Remarks At Swearing In Ceremony For Secretary Of Housing And Urban Development, Washington, D.C., 6/6/08)
2008 July: Congress heeds the President's call for action and passes reform legislation for Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac as it becomes clear that the institutions are failing.
2008 September: Democrats in Congress forget their previous objections to GSE reforms, as Senator Dodd questions "why weren't we doing more, why did we wait almost a year before there were any significant steps taken to try to deal with this problem? … I have a lot of questions about where was the administration over the last eight years." (Dawn Kopecki, "Fannie Mae, Freddie 'House Of Cards' Prompts Takeover," Bloomberg, 9/9/08)
Congress had for years blocked attempts at stronger regulation and blocked reform of the Federal Housing Administration.
House Financial Services Committee Chairman Barney Frank (D-MA) criticized the President's warning saying: "these two entities - Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac - are not facing any kind of financial crisis ... The more people exaggerate these problems, the more pressure there is on these companies, the less we will see in terms of affordable housing." (Stephen Labaton, "New Agency Proposed To Oversee Freddie Mac And Fannie Mae," New York Times, 9/11/03)
Senate Committee on Banking, Housing and Urban Affairs Chairman Christopher Dodd also ignored the President's warnings and called on him to "immediately reconsider his ill-advised" position. (Eric Dash, "Fannie Mae's Offer To Help Ease Credit Squeeze Is Rejected, As Critics Complain Of Opportunism," New York Times, 8/11/07)
President Bush publicly called for GSE reform at least 17 times in 2008 alone before Congress acted. Unfortunately, these warnings went unheeded, as the President's repeated attempts to reform the supervision of these entities were thwarted by the legislative maneuvering of those who emphatically denied there were problems. Many prominent Democrats, including House Finance Chairman Barney Frank, opposed any legislation correcting the risks posed by GSEs.
Political contributions from Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac overwhelmingly supported Democratic officials - in particular members of Democratic leadership:
Since 1989, Senator Chris Dodd (D-CT) has received $165,400 from Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. (Lindsay Renick Mayer, "Fannie Mae And Freddie Mac Invest In Lawmakers," Center For Responsive Politics' "Capital Eye" Blog, www.opensecrets.org, 9/11/08)
Since 1989, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV) has received $77,000 from Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. (Lindsay Renick Mayer, "Fannie Mae And Freddie Mac Invest In Lawmakers," Center For Responsive Politics' "Capital Eye" Blog, www.opensecrets.org, 9/11/08)
Since 1989, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi has received $56,250 from Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. (Lindsay Renick Mayer, "Fannie Mae And Freddie Mac Invest In Lawmakers," Center For Responsive Politics' "Capital Eye" Blog, www.opensecrets.org, 9/11/08)
Many people ask "Why didn't the Republicans force changes since they were in control of Congress for 4 of the last 8 years under Bush?" And that's a good question, but the answer is that Chris Dodd threatened to Filibuster any changes, which would require 60 votes in the Senate to overcome, and the Repubs only had about 50 votes.
I am not sure why everyone thinks this is a failing strategy for Republicans. Have you forgotten that it's already worked? Worked so well that they got 8 years of a Republican Presidency.
They are right.
The reason they lost the Presidency and the majority is because they lost message discipline and some of them started openly telling the truth.
If Romney had not made that 47% remark, if he had not allowed Obama's campaign to paint him the way they did, he could very well be President.
Think of all the abuse Obama gets. Think of all the abuse YOU get as a liberal: being painted as unpatriotic, stupid, a moocher. Yes, the people who paint us as such are contemptible human beings, but that doesn't change the fact that their strategy works a lot of the time.
Larry-367607 "As for the job losses hopefully you're smarter than that and realise we ran under Bush's last budget for the first 9 months of 2009"
I'm smart enough to realize that your statement is nonsense. Here's the truth;
The Democratic Congress (Reid & Pelosi) refused to pass a 2009 fiscal Budget, hoping Obama would win and they could pass a Budget without spending restrictions, so Bush only signed a 'Continuing Resolution' on September 30, 2008 to fund government operations that merely authorized spending for fiscal 2009 at the same level as for 2008 for most operations. Virtually all of the huge spending increase for 2009 was from the big spending programs passed by Obama and his Democratic Congress shortly after Obama took office. Here's a link to prove what I say is true - you can google many others to verify;
https://www.aamc.org/advocacy/washhigh/highlights2008/159056/president_signs_spending_bill.html
Trying to 'blame Bush' for the huge increase in the 2009 Deficit is just one more example of Obama & Company trying to shift the blame for their failures.
D. Lawreym "@ ROY WILSON-336103 It is utterly amazing that you have forgotten how eight years of failure under jr bush led to all of this. For instance...in 2000...we had gas prices around $1.50 a gallon"
And in the week that Bush left office 8 years later it was $1.84 per gallon.
And after 4 years of Obama it is now about double that - about $3.60 per gallon, costing the average family about $3,000 per year more for gasoline. Gee, I wonder if Obama's 'moratoriums and restrictions on drilling' have had something to do with that?
What was your point, again?
Wow, Roy, do you really believe this? "like when Bush warned about the potential financial problems from the loose home lending practices at Fannie Mae & Freddie Mac." You have absolutely no idea that Bush was the motive force behind federal backing of no money done loans?
From 2004:
Bush proposed zero-down-payment legislation earlier this year. The Congressional Budget Office has contended for months that the proposal would generate huge losses, an assessment that could be a stumbling block for the bill's passage. But the Department of Housing and Urban Development thinks the program could be run on a break-even basis.
"To build an ownership society, we'll help even more Americans to buy homes," Bush said in an Ohio speech to home builders. "Some families are more than able to pay a mortgage but just don't have the savings to put money down."
Here's what some Frrepers were saying in their far right chat board back in 2004 when liberals attacked the idea of no money down loans:
If they truly match income to the size of the loan it may not be too bad. Everybody has got to have a place to live. There are still parts of the country where $40K will still buy a modest home. How many here have cars that cost that much. Why would anyone walk away from a home when the payment would be similiar to rent.
No money down loans are quite common here in Indiana. A lot of the builders offer them for the purchase of new homes. I don't think this is such a drastic change
USDA Rural Housing (formerly FMHA) has offered no money down loans for years
It's good for people to have homes --- some would do okay with these government loans
Bush has chosen to encourage home ownership. Home ownership gives people a stake in society and in moderate, low tax governance. In other words, conservatism. The more homeowners there are, the more likely there are to be conservatives and Republicans. Most people who live in apartments think like Democrats.
Wow, Roy, are you reallt bragging about this? "And in the week that Bush left office 8 years later it was $1.84 per gallon."
The price of gas plunged from $4/gallon in the summer of 2008 to $1.84/gallon in January because the economy had collapsed into hell. The falling gas prices were one indication that no one could afford to drive, trucks were idle, 700,000 jobs a month were being lost, and people were talking about a new Great Depression.
Roy - you are the worst spokesperson for Republicans I ever heard ..... wait a minute. Nevermind. To quote our president, "Please, go on."
D. Lawrey "It was Obama who stemmed the tide of ever rising unemployment which was caused by jr bush."
The peak of 'first time claims for unemployment' actually peaked the third week of December, 2008 - almost a month BEFORE Obama took office. It has consistently been reduced since then, so all that happened on unemployment was that the trend continued under Obama, not that he 'magically' did anything significant to cause it to happen.
"We'll see this next election cycle where the USA is headed, toward a middle right America or continue to the extremist left with Obama."
As I said Rabbit ----
noncoms " The price of gas plunged from $4/gallon in the summer of 2008 to $1.84/gallon in January"
The price spiked temporarily because of concern that Iran would block oil shipping, but then dropped down again when tensions cooled, in addition to less demand because of economic stagnation.
Prices have remained high through several years under Obama's policies - despite a continued weak economy.
noncoms "Bush has chosen to encourage home ownership."
Virtually ALL politicians 'have chosen to encourage home ownership' - and in fact, so do I because it's just good social policy.
Bush called for RESPONSIBLE lending practices - it was the Democrats that encouraged the sub-prime lending that led to the fiasco - Some of my quotes from my Post #1.118 make my point;
2003 September: Then-House Financial Services Committee Ranking Member Barney Frank (D-MA) strongly disagrees with the Administration's assessment, saying "these two entities – Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac – are not facing any kind of financial crisis … The more people exaggerate these problems, the more pressure there is on these companies, the less we will see in terms of affordable housing." (Stephen Labaton, "New Agency Proposed To Oversee Freddie Mac And Fannie Mae," The New York Times, 9/11/03)
2007 August (more than a year before the collapse): President Bush emphatically calls on Congress to pass a reform package for Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, saying "first things first when it comes to those two institutions. Congress needs to get them reformed, get them streamlined, get them focused, and then I will consider other options." (President George W. Bush, Press Conference, the White House, 8/9/07)
2007 August: Senate Committee on Banking, Housing and Urban Affairs Chairman Christopher Dodd ignores the President's warnings and calls on him to "immediately reconsider his ill-advised" position. (Eric Dash, "Fannie Mae's Offer To Help Ease Credit Squeeze Is Rejected, As Critics Complain Of Opportunism," The New York Times, 8/11/07)
Almost exactly one year later, the very thing that Bush warned about happened - the financial sector virtually collapsed under the weight of those 'sub-prime mortgages' that Wall Street sold to investors, while betting they would fail at the same time - making tens of $Billions in the process. And in spite of the obvious 'conflict of interest' by those big Wall Street firms (who contributed 5 times as much to Obama as they did to McCain), there have been ZERO prosecutions of those Wall Street 'fat cats' that contributed to the collapse.
I read this same crap every day, all day long. What I NEVER see are any examples of these so-called "Fox" lies. We both know this is just a case of the left not wanting their own hypocrisy, lies and double standards revealed for everyone to see. The next best thing is to discredit FOX so fewer people will find out what the Democrats are really up to. They have virtually all the other media outlets...there's just that pesky Fox news keeping the Democrats from a total monopoly on influencing the masses.
I know, you mean like telling people that if Republicans are elected, black churches are going to burn? And Republicans want dirty air and dirty water and want kids with autism to fend for themselves, and Republicans only care about the 1%, are racist, hate black people and Hispanics?
That kind of fear mongering? The right doesn't even come close to the left when it comes to selling fear.
Proud 2B Liberal "I know, you mean like telling people that if Republicans are elected, black churches are going to burn? And Republicans want dirty air and dirty water and want kids with autism to fend for themselves, and Republicans only care about the 1%, are racist, hate black people and Hispanics?....................That kind of fear mongering? The right doesn't even come close to the left when it comes to selling fear."
Don't forget what Joe Biden told a largely Black audience during the campaign "Republicans would "put y'all back in chains,"."
There's a difference between truth and fear mongering.
G. Bud "There's a difference between truth and fear mongering."
And where would you place Biden's comment to Blacks "Republicans would "put y'all back in chains,"."?
File that comment under "Truth".
Proud2BLiberal: I read this same crap every day, all day long. What I NEVER see are any examples of these so-called "Fox" lies. We both know this is just a case of the left not wanting their own hypocrisy, lies and double standards revealed for everyone to see. The next best thing is to discredit FOX so fewer people will find out what the Democrats are really up to. They have virtually all the other media outlets...there's just that pesky Fox news keeping the Democrats from a total monopoly on influencing the masses.~
Did you not read my example about FOX running footage of an event that they claimed was occurring in Wisconsin---yet there were palm trees in the background? I guess I gave you too much credit for not being geographically challenged and for having at least an average reading comprehension level
if you insist, however, I'd be happy to cite more examples:
The Lie:
On a number of Fox News shows on June 12th, 2012 Karl Rove, Steve Doocy, Sean Hannity and Patti Ann Browne overstated and misstated the findings contained within a Federal Reserve Board Survey by claiming that a 38.8 percent drop in the median net worth of Americans had taken place during “the last three years.” (Read: It’s all Obama’s fault)
The truth:
The Federal Reserve Survey clearly states that the period covered was between 2007 and 2010. In other words, there was a concerted effort at Fox News to blame the entire drop in net worth on President Obama, when much of it began under President George W. Bush.
The Lie:
During a segment on the Fox News late night program Red Eye, Fox News Contributor (and former Bush White House mouthpiece) Dana Perino made the false claim that ABC’s Diane Sawyer had asked Gov. Mitt Romney about putting his dog Seamus on the roof of his car. “That was her first question,” Perino claimed. “Not how are you going to create jobs? What is going wrong? How will you turn things around? It was why did you let your dog ride on the roof of the car,” she asked breathlessly. Such a claim against a member of the supposed “liberal media,” would continue to advance the notion that news outlets other than Fox News aren’t appropriately taking Romney seriously.
The truth:
According to a transcript of the interview, the question about Seamus was the 23rd one asked. A variety of serious subjects were asked of Romney before the one about Seamus. (sources: mediaite.com/ and abcnews.com )
The Lie:
During the January 20th, 2012 edition of The O’Reilly Factor,Mike Huckabee (R-Fox News), indicated that Gov. Mitt Romney should challenge President Obama to release his college application materials and college transcripts, in exchange for the release of Romney’s tax returns. By having the president release those documents, according to Huckabee, it would be a way “to show whether he got any loans as a foreign student.”
The truth:
Huckabee has repeatedly tried to paint Obama as a foreigner. In fact, he earned Fox News Lies’ “2011 Lie(s) of the Year” honors for first claiming that the president was raised in Kenya, then he claimed he was raised in Indonesia. Both statements have been proven to be false. Huckabee’s latest lie has already been refuted by FactCheck.org, which highlighted how the falsehood about Obama’s supposed scholarship for foreign students was first presented in a false email.
(sources: mediamatters.org and FactCheck.org )~~~thanks to freedoms66 at FNL
Get the idea? I can cite many more, if you wish, but given the teahadist penchant for ignoring facts I'd prefer not to waste any further time, as you are no doubt sticking your fingers in your ears and yelling LALALALALALALALALALA I CAN'T HEAR YOUUUUUUUUU!
kaybeetoys "And where would you place Biden's comment to Blacks "Republicans would "put y'all back in chains,"."?..........................File that comment under "Truth"."
That tells me which extreme you belong in - no surprise there. Other than Biden's silly comment, can you show me any link to a responsible Republican proposing to 'put Blacks back in chains'?
And as I recall, it was a Republican President (Lincoln) that 'freed the Blacks from chains', and it was Republicans that voted for the Civil Rights Act in greater numbers than Democrats.
Roy, you asked for it.
Republicans want to put all of the American middle class in chains, regardless of race. They want to destroy unions and deny us affordable health care, a liveable wage, a decent education, and a secure retirement.
Republicans have milked the middle class like aphids for decades, to the detriment of our national economy and our future on the global stage.
Republicans have pushed out of their pup tent anyone who is female, non-Christian, non-white or homosexual.
Republicanism is not what it was in the days of Abraham Lincoln. If it were, I would still be a Republican.
Typical of the GOP to live in the past. Nothing new here.
...this is 2013. How many GOP members are hanging with the ACLU?
@Bulldozer62
"Here I come to save the day!" (From one mouse to another, I've always been a fan of Mighty Mouse.)
Nice comment!
kaybeetoys "Roy, you asked for it. Republicans want to put all of the American middle class in chains, regardless of race"
And the 'responsible' Republican that made that proposal is ........?
Your claims are so ridiculous that I'm compelled to dismiss you as not worthy of further effort.
Bye, and please don't waste any more of my time.
TO: Maxx the Moocher who wrote:
You're probably not going to believe this, but it is the Republican Party's principles that are simply not acceptable.
Branding Republicans as the party of the 1%ers, old white guys that can't stand the "little people", taking away our pre-paid medicare, our pre-paid social sexcurity, children's school lunches, food stamps from the poor and all the rest is simply 100% true.
Republicans have been complaining, calling the elderly and the poor "lazy losers" and just the worst things Republicans can think of, and it's all true.
We've heard it with our own ears, and we read all about it ourselves.
You certainly can NOT possibly imply that none of this is true.
I saw Eric Cantor on one of the Sunday talk shows just blasting away at "needed cuts" and the "cuts" he talked about the most are what's spent on America's elderly and the poor.
Who do you Republicans think they could possibly fool? Oh wait, everyone?
Somebody replay the freaking tapes so Republicans can hear themselves.
25-30 years ago I voted mostly Republican. That changed slowly over the years. Now I'm an over 60 white male, so I'm supposed to voting Republican according to statistics. So why did I vote a straight Democratic ticket in 2012 for the first time in my life?
If the GOP wants to know what's wrong with them, they should come and ask me that question! I'll be happy to tell them!
Friends, Romans, countrymen, lend me your ears. The Republican Party is not in a crisis (and on the brink of civil war) because of "bad advertising." They are not in trouble because they didn't articulate their messages in a more appealing way. They are in trouble because the American people have wised up and stopped trusting them. I think this should have happened a long time ago (preferably after the Reagan bubble collapsed in the early 1990s), but at least it's happened.
The GOP stopped being a credible party the day they left the Party of Reason and became the Party of Reagan. They stopped being credible when they began to think that ordinary middle and working class Americans would gladly support giant tax cuts for the rich. They stopped being credible when they thought that privatizing Social Security and voucherizing Medicare were popular with the American people. They stopped being credible when they condemned nearly half of America as "takers" and openly campaigned to undermine the entire social safety net. They stopped being credible when they endorsed treating gay people as second-class citizens and deporting millions of undocumented immigrants. In short, they stopped being a credible party a long time ago.
And to any conservative and/or Republican commentators here and across the World Wide Web, let me make this clear: you do not have to become like the Democratic Party. You do not have to support single-payer health insurance or extremely high tax rates (like we do). You do not have to support open borders or full abortion rights. You do not have to support unions or abolishing the Electoral College. And you do not have to believe in harsh regulatory policies towards financial institutions. What you do have to support is pragmatic and reasonable tax and healthcare reform. What you do have to support is real solutions to entitlements that preserve the programs in their basic structure but extend their fiscal solvency (not privatization or premium support). What you do have to support is the rights of workers to collective bargaining and the need for a progressive income tax. What you have to support is the basic concept of a social safety net that helps people when they're down. What you have to support is the concept that all Americans are equal and that women have a right to control their own bodies. What you have to support is the fact that our planet is warming and that it is directly caused by humans. And what you have understand is that America is not a center-right country, is not a society where the wealthy are idolized and all others are condemned, does not believe in regulating people's private lives, and does not believe that the free market is entirely perfect and is capable of "self-regulation." That is what you have to believe and understand if you want to have the privilege of representing the American people.
TO: Kevin C-752389 who wrote:
You forgot the part about Republicans being the party that "sank the fiscal ship" in the first place, and all Republicans want to do is the same darn things they did before that got us into all this trouble in the first place.
I agree you on 2016 because Republicans keep fighting the American People in order to take us backwards, instead helping the Country go Forward >
TO: Freshieee who wrote:
Wow, incredible post!
It was long, but definately worth the reading!
Well excuuuuuuse me, ROY! Put me on 'ignore' if my existence is so odious to you. ;)
Do you believe in Freedom of Speech, or is that only for those who agree with you?
@kaybeetoys:
thank you for the kind words :-) and yes, indeed, we mice need to stick together. I agree with your assessment of today's republicans. I've always been centrist and used to vote republican more often than I voted democratic. not any more. there's no longer any room in that party for moderates
kaybeetoys "Well excuuuuuuse me, ROY! Put me on 'ignore' if my existence is so odious to you. ;)"
Done - thanks for the suggestion.
McConnell threw their honor into the abyss 4 yrs ago.
And THAT is the root of their problem.
Until they earn it back they're "f"ed as far as I'm concerned. No honorable attempt will be made unless it's from Christie at this point. Jihndal knows the truth but republicans apparently just can't let him lead.
I wonder why? lol
Yes, buy having the lenders offer incentives: ie cars, lighting, many extras, paid for buy contractors credit card then rolled into the mortgage. Bush was not going to allow a failing economy to take his second term like it did his Daddy's.
I worked hard to safe a family's house from foreclosure. They found a brand new house - their dream home, were sold a subprime loan, as an incentive to sign, the contractor gave her his company credit card telling her to pick out the light fixtures for her home. She believed that she got those expensive fixtures she loved so much for free. The cost was rolled into the mortgage amount, the same with the buy down points. In the end, the mortgage was for more than the house was worth. But they kept up with the ever increasing payments until the wife got breast cancer. Then the bank swooped down to foreclose. Interesting point, they had a Trust of Deed which never name the overseerer/trustee, and the wife had never signed the loan documentation. Real messed up case, easy to fix.
Th egeniuses runnning the Republican Party believe that once the electorate understands that they willl have no Health Care, gun laws, Minimum wage - or hope for a living wage, plus a foreign policy emphasizing bluster and never admittting a mistake conjoined with tax help for the very wealthy they will flock to the REpublican bannner en massse. Let's hope they stick to their guns as I look forward to a good decade of Democratic governance.
Now for the Math Wiazrds on the RIght
Q.) WHen is 47 per cent more than half?
A.) In the 2012 Presidential election.
Take a can of rotten food, put a new shiny label on it and then put a spot light on it. In the end you still have rotten food.
Yes the DEMORATS do that very well and the media sells it for them. Time to hold the MEDIA & Dems accountable for there INACTIONS on the bills that have been sent to them by the Republicans.
I hear that it the Reps. that are holding thing up. Yet Harry has many bills that he refuses to bring up for a VOTE. CAN NOT MAKE THE REPS LOOK GOOD. that would NOT work with the LIES from the DEMORATS.
@Steve, bro your an idiot. The mythical "liberal media" doesn't exist.
The media in our country are controlled by 6 MAJOR CORPORATIONS, the teapublicans are owned by corporate America, it's the teapublicans that benefit from "media coverage".
Mainstream media attempts to present the teapublicans as if they actually have a point, they don't. They simply regurgitate the propaganda put forth by teapublicans.
The number one news show is Fox and the number one radio program is Limbaugh.
guy -
Perhaps you are the one who needs to grow up. The House has sent budget legislation to the Senate since the Republicans gained control of the House - as required by law!
Tell me, why has Reid not brought even one piece of that legislation to the floor of the Senate for debate and vote - as required by law? Budget legislation cannot be filibustered and is not subject to the rules of cloture..
Now, why don't you put the 'blame' where it really belongs - on Reid and the democrats?
But then, I guess you have your head so far up Obama's behind that you don't see the hypocrisy of your comments.
Might take a look at what is attached.
Larry, the only reason Limbaugh has such high numbers is that Clear Channel has Rush playing in every market in the country, he is constantly out numbered in a market by market comparison. Try looking up facts instead of spin.
Larry-That's probably because they are the only 2 shows Republicans watch/listen to! Which only makes their warped views even stranger (if that's possible)! Most Democrats watch a variety of shows to get a variety of opinions, while Repubs only have one blindered view and that is the view of their god, so they just don't know any different.
"The number one news show is Fox and the number one radio program is Limbaugh."
So what?? All that proves is we have several million stupid people in this nation who have to be told what and how to think on a daily basis. And for the record --- Fox's numbers are going DOWN and Rush the Junkie has been flat for the last 4 years.
Domewars - A PERFECT description of President Stinky (bo) and his cadre of rotton, stinky beasts! Thank you!!
but you see, that's only because the "EVIL LIBERAL MEDIA" skews the numbers to make those shows #1 in the ratings because somehow this helps push their "EVIL LIBERAL NARRATIVE..."
or something to that effect.
Or they're just crazy as @!$%#...
DrowningGrover: This GOP appeal is as patently false as George Wallace's proclaimed embrace of integration, after he had lost, and been shot. As someone else said: "you can put lipstick on a pig, but it's still a pig"!
My point was that the constant cry from the right of the liberal media bias is absurd when the most watched and listened to shows on radio and TV are conservative.
It's not right and shouldn't be allowed but let's be honest, gerrymandering districts to maximize votes is a long standing tradition with the Dems as well. Now that the GOP is doing it, it's considered rigging the vote? What was it called when the Dems in the House were redistricting?
Rigging the vote. It's wrong whichever side does it however if you see the extemes republicans are now doing you might see why many gripe. When they shove individual city blocks in the heart of one parties district into anothers to direct high minority area's where they want it may be excessive. From what I've seen democrats weren't so blatant.
TO: steve-1962 who wrote:
Keep on blaming the Democrats, that'll keep the GOP in office (not).
When Mitt Robme was preaching "personal responsiblity" Republicans were NOT listening (as usual).
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TO: Tammy-311614 who wrote:
What good is a budget if we are as bankrupt as Republicans say we are?
The GOP need to go on a bidding war. Offer more free stuff than the liberals....
That's the only way to get elected in today's world...
On the outside, it appears that way, that the majority of voters are merely shallow, self-serving, visionless fools ... but for the rest of us, all we are looking for are LEADERS. I would like to see one emerge from any political party at this point.
I was thinking it's more like putting a new coat of paint on a twisted heap of metal that used to be a car sitting on the side of the road...
The media rightfully reports actions and remarks by politicians, and no Democrat had anything to do with the remark about rape and the other outrageous remarks Republican politicians have made.
The mainstream have rejected them because they pander to the rich, they are warmongers, they want to legislate morality, and they remind us of the Taliban.
Did I leave anything out?
@WhereHasAmericaGone
You have a point there, G-man. I'd like the same deal that Bushco gave to Iraq and Afghanistan. They can blow up my house and then rebuild the whole neighborhood and provide me with all sorts of nicities and fat govt contracts. That would be great. Have the dems offered that? I must have missed it. Have you wondered where our debt would be if instead of spending all of the money we have in Iraq and Afghan., it had all been applied against the debt? What if Bushco had chosen to not give Pharma a mind-boggling gift and had kept taxes at the rate that had fueled our 90's growth and that had also been put against the debt? Free stuff? You're right. But it has all gone to overseas folks. And the Repugnicans and the Neocons started it. Remember the Neocons and PNAC? Yeah...those guys. I wonder where they all went? I guess they all got raptured. You never hear about them anymore.
where
They did, to the top 2% and corporations. They said the hell with every one else. Thats why they lost.
We the people, the Personal Dept, have done a lousy job of putting the right people in the
right jobs in our cities, states, counties, Washington. What we have is reflected of us.
Let's face it we have left the Boss out of it and until we let him back in we are going to
stay in confusion and corruption. We have created one huge mess!
Republicans talk about fiscal conservatism but never practice what they preach. Bush started 2 wars, cut 400 billion a year in revenue and a new 100 billion a year drug plan all unfunded. That's not fiscally conservative. Romney proposed an additional 500 billion a year tax cut, 200 billion more a year for the military and a new space program. He sneered when the president pointed out that eliminating some deductions wouldn't pay a fraction of what he proposed and that the deficit would explode as it did under Bush. Romney's answer was trust me. We didn't. If he had a plan he would have explained it. Cutting food stamps that cost around 7 billion a month 10% wouldn't pay for 30 minutes of the militaries budget. We need real solutions.
Where, The Republicans already give way more stuff away, oil and gas subsidies, farm subsidies, Tax loopholes for corporations, lucrative contracts for military contractors. The list goes on and on.
flnobody, Larry, and John Bryant covered this pretty well. I'll leave further explanation up to them...
Larry, you are assuming all republicans are conservative. Bush and Romney are high spenders, like most democrats. The difference is that they want/wanted to spend on their programs. The attitude of the neocons who seem to run the republican party is that 1) war is good & 2) the money will be spent so let's spend it on our ideas. Thse are not conservative (fiscal not social) ideals.
Romney offered a tax cut of 20% that would have cost 500 billion a year. The average middle class tax payer would have saved thousands. Like Bush's first term that cut the average persons taxes over $1000 and one month after his second win where he mailed checks to every tax payer of $300 to $1200? Obama forcing insurance companies to cover contraceptives costs us nothing. Bush borrowed from China to pay those checks as Romney would have done.
Cost us nothing? Businesses will ALWAYS pass increasing cost onto the customer. We're all affected. Other than creating a scenario where the Dems demonize the GOP; why is the government demanding insurance companies to pay for contraception? If you're going to have sex and you don't want a child, pay for contraception. How difficult is that concept?
Rabbit: Regardless you're comparing peanuts with watermelons. The contraceptive giveaway your side cries about not even most in your party agree with and is dwarfed by Romneys proposed 500 billion tax give away. Obama's might raise insurance a buck or two but Romneys would have slashed revenue 500 billion a year. As usual a right winger picks out one minor point to argue and doesn't even respond to the main points. Because you can't?
No I don't. I've posted many times that the current republican leadership doesn't represent the majority in their parties views. When posting opposing views to republican policies it has to be those currently in power. What republicans Norm and Thelma in Witchita think is irrelevant if that's not what their leaders are pushing. I probably agree with Norm and Thelma more than Obama on many issues.
The last time I checked, Romney didn't get elected, so your point about Romney's tax relief plan is moot. However, you brought up the issue of paying for contraception and because it's part of Obamacare, it is relevant and worth commenting on.
As a fiscal conservative I railed against Bush's spending.
I love the way the left uses the term tax giveaway, as if it were the governments money to giveaway in the first place. If one year I'm taxed $100 and the next I'm taxed $80, it's not a $20 dollar giveaway. I get to keep $20 more dollars that I've earned.
The idea of stimulus spending vs. tax cuts is proving itself also. During the first 6 years under Bush, we had under 5-1/2% unemployment. What killed the economy wasn't under taxation. Considering Obama had two unfettered years to deal with the economy, it appears the stimulus has done nothing but continue to put the brakes on the economy.
I guess spending taxpayer money on contraception is no worse than spending taxpayer money on armed guards in schools because some people MUST have have their guns and the public schools have to be protected from those that have guns and go crazy. Fair is fair.
TO: WhereHasAmericaGone who wrote:
Republicans already did that in the last election, promised the Top 2% that the GOP would abolish the minimum wage, the GOP promised insurance companies they would repeal Obamacare, and for the very super rich, the GOP promised they'd rewrite the Tax Code.
Republicans STILL lost, as cooler heads prevailed.
Wrong!!!! The message they send to voters is loud and clear...it's their principles they need to change!! Start taking care of the people they make promises to instead of themselves and their wealthy backers.
Mark...you need to stop listening to CNN, MSNBC, CBS, etc.
Those warn out talking points are old. Have you not read about all the money associated with corporates lobbyist supporting Democrats?
One has to be very naive to think one party has a hold on graft and corruption.
Mark.........
HS321 advises you to just stick your head in the sand and not listen to any news............except that would probably mean just listen to FOX where they make up the REAL news.
It is probably true that both parties have dirty underwear and neither is perfect............However, until the Republicans tell us why they say they want a balanced budget and lower debt but when they get in power they do just the opposite...........and lower taxes on a small group of citizens that could most afford to pay a few bucks extra and work their butts off trying to cut social programs for the neediest amongst us...............These are the same Repubs who go to church on Sunday and profess to care for their fellow man..........................errr that would be fellow millionaires is what they leave out of that.
hs321
So are the GOP and their ideas.
OBX -
A study was done on media bias not too long before the Presidential election. Guess what? MSN and NBC were found to be the most biased in their 'reporting'. Look it up.
Guess you have your head stuck in the sand not to realize that very media source is biased, some more than others.
All hs321 is saying is to get your news from numerous sources so that you can sift the facts from the propaganda. But that would require you to be able to think critically, wouldn't it? Something thatmany liberals, like yourself, abhore.
"Have you not read about all the money associated with corporates lobbyist supporting Democrats?"
Lobbyist tend to support both sides. They don't much care who wins as long as they have a seat at the table. That's why most of them give money to both parties. It's nothing new. As an old saying goes -- they support the whores on both sides of the block.
Tammy: Thanks for your comment and I did "look it up" as you suggested.
A poll done by Fairleigh Dickinson in 2012 reported that: "NPR and Sunday morning political talk shows are the most informative news outlets, while exposure to partisan sources, such as Fox News and MSNBC, has a negative impact on people’s current events knowledge"
You must have an inside track into what HS meant to say but didn't...............he/she didn't say "get your news from multiple sources" He/she said to you need to stop listening to CNN, MSNBC, CBS, etc.".....................so where does it say to listen to anything except maybe to stick you head in the sand and not listen to any news at all?????
Have a nice day and stay away from those news stations..............all the news in usually bad anyway
The 100 million by Sheldon given to Romney and republicans during the last election probably exceeds what democrats get from all lobbyists. Democrats get a far higher percentage of their campaign funds from individuals and union pacs which represent millions of workers. Republicans get most of theirs from people like Sheldon who would have saved nearly 1 billion in taxes from Romneys proposed tax holiday. A coincidence? I don't think so. Both sides basically sell their vote but republicans usually sell to benefit very small groups of very wealthy while democrats larger, poorer groups.
Hey ... GOP... You want people to listen to you?
Try this...
Get rid of the likes of:
Hanity
Limbaugh
Palin
Beck
Bachman
FOX News and the rest of those far Right-Wing-Nut talking heads...
And maybe... Just MAYBE you get people listening to your point of view.
I would mind getting rid of the likes of:
Mathews
Maddow
O'Donnell
Reid
Pelosi
Well WhereHasAmericaGone - The difference between the people you list and ones that DonaldDixon lists is that the liberals are a bit more intellectual and actually don't scream.
I found out that Fox and Friends is put in place to make the rest of the "team" up there look somewhat intelligent. That is not saying much.
Henry...Spoken like a true liberal. Nothing more than insults with no value....
Of course everyone knows that liberals are the most highly intelligent force on the planet earth. Just ask any liberal, he'll tell you that...
Of course clinically that is called Delusions of Grandeur
The GOP is proof that stupidity cannot recognize itself.
I see Fox news let three wingnuts go on their own, Beck, Palin, and Dick Morris, a real idiot. Who can forget the quote of Morris, Romney will win in a landslide. LOL I wonder what happen to the big mouth of Ann Coulter, another joke.
Can any of intellectuals, like Henry, please explain to me why the vast majority of liberal radio talk shows are epic failures? With such, at least theoretically, a huge fan base, I can't understand why advertisers wouldn't be making them rich too. Something simply does not add up.
WhereHasAmericaGone,
Perhaps the liberal talkers you list aren't more intelligent, yet the fact that Limbaugh, O'Reilley, Hannity, and others have refused to debate any of the liberals when challenged says volumes about Fox's stars' judgement of their own principles. Before he became my senator, Al Franken regularly invited O'Reilley and Limbaugh to come onto his radio show, and also volunteered to come on their shows. But Limbaugh and O'Reilley, both college dropouts, declined invitations from political science graduates (with honors) Maddow and Franken.
But, credit where it's due for Coulter:
Back during those dozens of republican debates during the primaries, Coulter said they had one shot: get Gov Christie to run. She said if Christie wasn't their candidate, Romney would win, represent the republicans and Obama would kick his ass.
A stopped clock truely is correct twice a day.
@Nevada ... unfortunately for the Republicans, as conservative as Christie may be, he doesn't fit their concept of "change the buzz, not the substance."
@WhereHasAmericaGone:
I prefer that - cheaper and safer - over chasing imaginary Weapons of Mass Delusion.
Because most liberals have discovered the FM band, TV and the internet.
Hey Hs
I heard the right also dominate telegraphs and landlines. Keep living in the stone age and let the rest of us progress without your non-sense
"Can any of intellectuals, like Henry, please explain to me why the vast majority of liberal radio talk shows are epic failures?"
Easy!! Unlike conservatives, liberals don't need to be told what to believe, what to think, what to say and how to say it on a daily basis. Liberals don't need to find massive numbers of enemies and we don't need a daily dose of fear. Bottom line -- we can think for ourselves without the help of some 4 times divorced, draft dodging junkie.
Donald, you are right on point; these self-appointed GOP ambassadors are the voices that have alienated the the people of this country. Their extreme conservative views have chased the common every day, middle class Americans away from the Republican party.
Gwell US ARMY RET
A college degree alone does not qualify someone for having intelligence. Let's look at some intelligent college drop outs:
1. Paul Allen - co-founder of Microsoft
2. Richard Branson - Virgin industries
3. Andrew Carnegie
4. Winston Churchill
5. Michael Dell - Dell computers
6. Henry Ford
7. John Glenn
8. John Hewitt - CEO Jackson Hewitt
9. Andrew Jackson - US President
These are just a few of many intelligent people without a college degree.
WhereHasAmericaGone: And yet you do as your fellow right wingers do which is to insult without making any effort to defend your points. You can find liberals responding to insults with insults but also many posts that point out in detail where republicans agenda are wrong and no one on your side disputes anything. You simply insult.
The GOP will be fine and stronger than ever. The libs on the other hand will be the ones that better get a clue, they will lose the senate and not have another President for a long time. I bet you libs are so proud of what barry o has done to this country. But wait, new surprises every day to destroy it. Ain't you glad you voted for him? lol
VLGil: Hmmm ... your dreaming seems to have blocked your view of reality.
VLGil
The gopers said the same thing in the last elections and look where it got them, less seats in the House and Senate. Throw away the crystal ball, it's broken.
How encouraging for democrats there is still a far right wing fringe that thinks as VLGil.
Keep polishing up that turd, VLGil; soon it will smell teriffic I'm sure.
starbuck - If it was for the gerrymandering the GOP pulled off, they would have around a five seat advantage in the house..
They ONLY chance teapublicans have at victory is to cheat. Teapublican Governors are busy trying to deny Americans the RIGHT to vote, closing polling places, increasing waiting times in districts that vote Democtatic and adding more polling places in teapublican districts.
And let us not forget they're busy trying to change the rules for distributing the electorial college votes.
Teapublicans are traitors, as are all who support them.
VLGil: You are mistaken. The GOP won in 2010 due to anger over Obamacare. That's old news. The vast majority of Americans blame republicans for refusing to bend even on issue like taxes that the majority of their constituents support. They'll take a beating in the next elections.
"The GOP will be fine and stronger than ever."
VLGil ---- do Democrats a huge favor --- make sure all your Republican buddies think exactly like you do.
The GOP needs to get rid of their taliban (teaparty/religious morons/me,myself &I attitude) and get back to the business of finding ways to boost the economy w/o hurting the environment (look at Germany for example).
Maybe you could lose your liberal superiority complex and come up with some reasoned arguments instead of insults. Typical liberal if you can't beat'em, demonize'em.
The gopers have done a good job of demonizing themselves.
CosmoX666, it's not an insult to state a fact that's been corroborated by some of their own (Jindal, for example), namely it's time for the GOP to get rid of tea party, religious absolutists, and self-serving individuals (Koch brothers, Adelson, to name a few). If we were supporting our own infrastructure and society as much as we support the military-industrial complex and international corporations (google "corporate welfare") in either party, Americans would have politicians worth supporting.
cosmo
most GOPers believe they have a mandate from god himself, thats a superiority complex. Anytime reason is used GOPers cloud everything up with superstitions and worn out policy. BTW calling everyone you disagree with a liberal does not help your cause.
Luis -
Proof please.
I thought not. Just another brain-dead liberal spouting talking points from the liberal handbook.
"Maybe you could lose your liberal superiority complex and come up with some reasoned arguments instead of insults"
Well Cosmo -- you may wnat to look at it in a little different way. The trend is Democrats are winning and Republicans aren't. So perhaps Republicans need to come up with some reasoned arguments to vote for them instead of insults like calling half the population "takers" and sluts (Rush) and similar descriptions.
Tammy
wrong again...am not a liberal, am a human. No need to prove the obvious. BTW I actually voted for Johnson.
Tammy: Strange comment from someone who's made so many claims and comments without backing up anything.
No change in principles, if you can't win on your principles, at least go down fighting. Better that than voluntarily hand the country over to a bunch of whiny losers with with paws out waiting for the next government handout from King Barry.
"No change in principles, if you can't win on your principles, at least go down fighting."
Tell us Cosmo -- what are the Republican principles?
If your President is doing so good, why did the unemployment rate just go up? Let's see, taxes went up and will go up again with obamacare and he will have to add more taxes to pay for all his senseless spending. But he cut military spending and pissed off just about every country that hates us, smooth move. And with a bad economy he is back campaigning at tax payers expense, what's up with that? Yep, still an empty chair President that doesn't and never had a clue.
Rush? Is that you?
Unemployment up? Fool me it is 7.8% this month. It drop another point. According to this number the unemployment rate is pretty much normal what it has been most of my life time. To argue that point is moot if you think it is a high rate. You do realize half or so of the unemployed are Your Fellow Republicans. You have to to be pretty ignorant to realize your party needs this voter base to. I wouldn't want to be Republican and unemployed as you turn your backs on your own members.
That must be why his last defense budget request was for a record amount, correct? As for pissing off every country that hates us. How does that work? BY your own admission, they hate us already.
Not that it would matter to you though, but Congress adds or cuts defense spending, not the President.
It's still better than cutting taxes and then starting two wars.
No worse than the last President that managed a whirlwind 48 state campaigning tour in a single year, right? Name me one sitting President running for re election that didn't uses tax payer money.
Also, if your taxes go up when the AHCA is fully active, you are not carrying health insurance and deserve to be penalized for mooching off the rest of us.
OUCH NYMike-I think you just kicked VLGil in the nuts! I don't know if you meant to or not, but you made him look like a complete idiot by refuting all of the BS he just finished spewing. And no wonder he is pissed about the ACHA, cause now he can't mooch off of the system any longer.
If OUR (yes VLGil -- he's YOUR PRESIDENT too) President is doing so poorly, why is the DOW over 14,000. Why have we had 35 straight months of private sector job growth? Why are Fortune 500 profits at an all time high? Why is domestic oil production at an all time high?
6dogs - are you only a few years old? The UE mean rate from January 1990 through January 2013 is 6%. If we take the mean from January 1990 through January 2008, it is 5.5%. So, if it is (went up in January to 7.9% according to BLS) normal for your lifetime, you can't be but a couple of years old.
Military spending is declining with the drawdowns in Iraq and Afghanistan. Right wingers accuse Obama of fudging the numbers by including reduced war costs in his numbers yet include those same numbers to make it appear the military is taking a hit. The war costs were funded with additonal funds beyond the regular budget. The military itself should spend less. We shouldn't spend 4.8% of our GDP to defend other countries so wealthy countries like Japan, Germany and South Korea can spend 1%.
The GDP went down a little from this reduction of military expenditures. It is a clue why you don't want to cut spending when the economy is still fragile. If you don't want another recession, you address the deficit when the economy is firing on all cylinders and can handle the decline in GDP. The patient in a hospital shouldn't worry about paying his bill until after he gets well and leaves. Trying to cut expenses while still in the hospital by trying to save a pill here or a procedure there might only make the situation worse, rather than better.
The current Republican Party is owned and controlled by "the money" and as such can only give lip service to change as they can't alienate that support or do other than cater to it. They, together with the power, influence and mega-bucks of "the money", will once again be totally dependent on their rhetoric, on striving to con the people and manipulate public opinion with their abundance of propaganda ... and literally no real change.
You can add the word "Democratic" to your first sentence. Politicians do not get elected without financial backing from special interest aka "the money".
If the Republicans really want to get me on their side it is very simple, arrest Grover Norquist for interfering with Official Government Business. Manipulation of Elected Officials of the people. Put on investigation and at least slap the hands of the ones that signed a Pledge to Norquist for violation of their Oath of Office.
As long as Norquist is breathing free air I will not relent on this and like Norquist I getting kind of old myself. So Norquist the only way you're going to get this thorn out of your side is to out live me.
@6dogs: you said it, if not for Norquist's Nitwits, Clowngress would have enacted some form of Simpson-Bowles and we'd all be in better shape for the future.
Well, restating and cheating. What the GOP is trying to pull off in places like Pennsylvania is quite simply Un-American. I know that phrase is over-used but I think it appropriate in this case.
Yet it doesn't start any alerts when there are precincts in Pennsylvania and Ohio that had absolutely no votes for Romney? Do you realize the odds against that?
What happened in those areas is what is un-American.
Where's your proof?
If you don't think the Democratic Slash and Spend policies will lead to a crash and burn for them you are sniffing glue.
Once the payouts dry up to their base due to US insolvency, so will the votes.
What "Slash and Spend" policies are those?
Proof liberals are simply blind followers. They really don't see the spending problem this country has...
What spending problem does this country have? Details please.
Well the old Rob Peter to Pay Paul ruteen the Republicans are using is doing no good here. It has never worked for anybody or any country. If you don't believe me try doing it for yourself. Run your credit cards up to the max and that have something happen and bingo you now are a Republican Senator.
The spending problem he is referring to is nothing new, just wants to blame Obama for it. This country has had a spending problem since the 80's (Reagan) then sky rocketed again after 9/11.
But sure, go ahead. Put literally decades of increased spending and fiscal irresponsibility on this one single presidents back, that's fair.
Norquist said they didn't need a president to create or define the republican agenda they already had that with the Ryan plan. All they needed was a president with 5 digits that could hold a pen. Anyone surprised we didn't elect a puppet?
We saw it when Bush was president with his last budget passed in October 2008 hitting 1.2 trillion deficit. We were never blind, you were until a democrat was elected. The problem is the economy lost 11 trillion in net worth and 500 billion in tax revenue during the meltdown the last 6 months of Bush. Obama hasn't passed any new unfunded programs unlike Bush he simply has to pay the bills with far less money. If you have proof of new spending programs Obama has enacted that increased our debt feel free to provide proof.
Wow! The first long-held and ACTED OUT "central principle" revealed. (MAKE IT LOOK LIKE SOMETHING ELSE). The best thing Republicans have done has been to "DO NOTHING"! Any Bill, Budget or Proposal they bring forward is nothing but a big RED FLAG with the lipsticked (LOOPHOLED) FRAUDULENT, INSURGENT, TREASONOUS PIG on it. FULL OF BORKED-UP, (Oops!), I MEAN PORKED-UP, DECEIT, BAIT AND SWITCH, FINE PRINT FRAUD, MISLEADING MISREPRESENTATION AND UNCONSTITUTIONALITY, AS "PRINCIPLED" BASIS.
Let's start with "America's "HOME" address", the US Postal Service and don't forget Right to Work!
Thanks for the "CONFIRMATION" on that, Cantor. (The first step is admitting what the problem is!)
I am sooo glad you read what was in it. Did you read the 18,000 pages of obamacare too?
It is only 2,400 pages.
The initial bill was 2,400 pages. The supporting add-ons are actually 25,000 pages.
What supporting odd-ons?
Um, the number of pages is due to the large font size, wide line spacing and wide margins, the way every single bill is written.
But hey, why bother with any facts since cons do not live in a reality based world.
VLGil, #14.1- I read The Constitution; "INALIENABLE", INFLEXIBLE, IMMOVABLE RIGHTS, included. It's MUCH-MUCH shorter AND Fraudulently-FREE, "MORE TO THE CORRECT AND APPROPRIATE POINT". (And I read the Oath that every Congress Person and The President takes :)
A bill to select congressional toilet paper would require 10,000 pages. Most in congress are lawyers.
Liberals winning election doesn't equate to America winning. Take a look around at what it's gotten us so far. More struggles and less for everyone.
Today's liberals winning elections means America loses. It's so obvious. I speak from personal experience watching the small business I work for going down the tubes at a rapid pace.
That imaginary "small business" you work for is going down hill because of teapublican policies, they support LARGE CORPORATIONS, they can bribe better.
Corporate welfare is the teapublicans main "principle"(as if they have any).
guy -
Another nonsense 'quip' from the liberal playbook?
Grow up, already! This economy is strangling small business! If you think small businesses have it so easy, why don't you try to start one?
Oh, but then, that would mean that you would have to work for a living.
Bush averaged 32,000 jobs a month job growth over his 8 years the worst since Eisenhower depite a 400 billion a year tax cut he claimed was to create jobs, Obama 150,000 over his 4. The stock market hit a low of 6400, 8 million lost their jobs, millions their homes, a bank and financial institutional meltdown that would have rivaled 1929 without a massive federal bailout under Bush. Saying Obama isn't doing enough isn't enough. You have to propose a plan that has a chance of doing better. Romney was simply Bush 3. Cut taxes, massive new military spending all on the China card. We weren't buying it. Instead of bashing Obama defend your party and their ideas.
There is nothing wrong with republican ideas, but we do need to change a few things. Stop letting the democrats pick our candidates and our candidates need to stop beating up one another in the primaries. We lost this election because when the dust settled they all looked ugly.
We need to state our thoughts in a positive manner and let our voters choose our best candidate.
OK, I got it, smile and giggle when you pass voter suppression laws, eye changing the elector college, stop abortion, go after gay people, pass racist anti-immigrant laws, and more. Just smile when you do it and that solves the problem. Buddy, it is the content of your ideas that are wicked and evil. And nobody in your party is willing to call you out and force you to change. Like lemmings you just shuffle forward; hopefully, as far as I am concerned, to your doom.
Henry, maybe the Republicans did't look crazy enough, during the last election. They just need to put on HUGE fake smiles and laugh for no apparent reason, in the future. That'll fix the problem!
Henry, it is to early to rant about nothing. I live in Michigan and every since I have been voting, 30 years, I have had to show my license to vote. If that is voter suppression why are the democrats not fighting to over turn this state and other states laws about showing proof of identity. Where is Eric holder and crew on this?
Every time an election is over their is redistricting, however the electoral college has been a joke that needs reform, remember Bush vs. Gore.
The only stance The GOP has on abortion is that the federal government should not pay for it, I can't remember reading about that as being an amendment to the Constitution.
How is a stance on immigration racist, because it deals with people from Mexico; then lets be truthful about it, calling black people African Americans is racist.
Wrong. The republican platform supports the idea that a baby is a baby at the moment of conception. Ryan's original proposal would have made the killing of a fertile egg with a spermicide or the morning after pill murder. The paying for abortion part is the most they hope to pass now. It's not their goal.
Larry the entire conversation is that the GOP is against abortion while the Democrats are for it. The when of it all is just a smoke screen. The root of the matter is that it is a personal matter that government should remain out of; abortion is a family issue that should remain between a doctor and the parents.
Your children and their children's futures are being raped by the democratic party. They are being born with a relentless, unsustainable, escalating, and un-payable debt burden. We are talking child exploitation, even child abuse. Democrats are willing to support out-of-control spending, not unlike a drug addiction at this point. At some point, the junkie dies from too much stimulation (overdose). We only need to wait until the democratic junkie dies.
What "out-of-control" spending? Federal spending has gone up less than 8% since '09; it went up more than 60% during Bush's 8 years.
And, of course, you do no homework yourself. Just like the inflation numbers that say we have 1% inflation, because they took out gas and food (duh?!), the spending numbers are bogus. Go to the debt and total deficit which is at more than a trillion per year and 16.6 trillion total. How do you make claims like that?
Under Obama, each man, woman, and child's portion of the debt burden has doubled, and will re-double in the next TWO years!
"Under Obama, each man, woman, and child's portion of the debt burden has doubled"
Please explain how it has doubled when the debt has not doubled.
BTW, look up federal government spending since '09 and you'll see I posted the truth.
Here's the link to federal spending: http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/budget/Historicals
That is the so crazy.
@golfsleft, How can you use 3 year old info and substantiate anything like this? I guess that you are still wearing Triangle Pants (diapers to you). You need to go bach to at least the 50s and look at each and every time either party was in office and associate each one to the next. It was predicted back than that the people of my generation WOULD be paying off that debt til in the 80s. If you really track it, UNBIASEDLY, you will see that every 30-40 years this happens. I worked off my debt it is your turn to do you debt. By the way there is always debt carry over from one President to the next that doesn't show up til the new guy comes in. So when you see the new guy takes over the office there is always a jump in the publicided debt as the what the out going guys numbers hit the boards.
Look at other Presidents budgets over the years. It is all roll over after roll over.
Out of the 16 trillion dollar deficit, Bush left us with 11 trillion of the debt. Joe Scarborough on morning Joe, whom is a conservative announced it yesterday.
Any child that was born in the last 30 years, not just the last 4, has been burbened with this countries un-burdened spending.
Dan -
Actually, it was more like $10.4 to $10.6 trillion. You cannot honestly pin all of the 2009 debt on Bush as it was Obama who added over $800 billion with his 'stimulus' package that did anything but stimulate (well, it stimulated unions, but that's another point against him). Heck, the democrat-controlled Congress did not even send over the budget until Obama was sworn in!
Let's see, fiscal responsibility.
1. No more military foreign aid, period. No more outfitting the rest of the world so that they can slaughter each other with the finest killing technology that American taxpayer money can buy.
2. Respectfully withdraw from NATO. This military alliance was formed to counter the U.S.S.R. and the Warsaw Pact, neither of which exists today.
3. Military deployment in foreign countries should end. If you want to project American military might send either a carrier group, (that's probably 10 to 15 ships and subs with perhaps 7,500 sailors and marines aboard, with nukes, Good God, how much power do you need??) Send Air, or Army contingencies TO VISIT, NOT LIVE at those countries bases, that THEY maintain and pay for, not us. We currently fly Marine and Navy jets off of Iwo Jima. Hopefully, we're not still planning on the invasion of the Japanese mainland, because THAT'S why we took that island 67 years ago, and then gave it back. Let Japan and South Korea do some radical defense spending of their own, rather than us.
4. Re-asses all humanitarian foreign aid, until the USA is solvent SOLVENT!!!!!
5. Go to a one payer Medicare system for all LEGAL United States citizens.
6. Either be a citizen, or have a visa, (work or student, etc) or goodbye. Social benefits are NOT extended to visa holders.
7. Incarcerate any employer who hires illegals. No work permit, no employment.
8. Dismantle a good many arms projects in the USA. Find something else to build people. Try roads, or bridges.
9. Kick the potheads out of jail, and make anything from assault with a deadly weapon and up, a capital offense. Then enforce it. I believe in capital punishment. I DO NOT believe in "Death Row"
(By the way, for all of you 2nd amendment folks, that takes care of the gun issue. It's not against the law to own the stuff, but if you use it in the commission of a crime, you WON'T be going to jail. Fair enough??)
10. Have one consistent immigration policy as a nation for all to follow, with the understanding that different states face differing problems, and need to have some local leeway for dealing with matters as they arise. Borders should be adequately protected with the state's respective Guard units, augmented by the Federal Government, now that we're getting out of those stupid countries and their "forever wars".
11. Stop ALL subsidies to big oil, coal, and farms. I'm a farmer, I don't get any subsidies, and if you need them, you're in the wrong business.
12. With all the savings, start re-building the dilapidated infrastructure of this country. That and supporting jobs to feed and house these workers just might be a boon to many "Local" economies.
@Urban Roman "Your children and their children's futures are being raped by the democratic party. They are being born with a relentless, unsustainable, escalating, and un-payable debt burden."
This is the typical Republican rhetoric. However, if you merely looked up the history of the national debt under the previous presidential terms, you'll see that it's the Republicans who are primarily responsible for adding to the "relentless, unsustainable, escalating, and un-payable debt burden." Below is a summary if the % change in debt (and average annual increase) under each president's term:
Carter (D) - 43.2% (9.2%)
Reagan (R) - 188.6% (14.2%)
Bush (R) - 55.6% (11.7%)
Clinton (D) - 35.6% (3.9%)
Bush (R) - 89.0% (8.3%)
Obama (D) - 53.6% (11.3%)
Source: PresidentialDebt.org
Actually Bush is responsible for 12.1 trillion of the debt. Bush's last budget was the 2009 budget passed in October 2008 with a projected deficit of 1.2 trillion. The right blames Obama for 2009 even though they know he had nothing to do with the spendng outsde his 1 time stimulus. Our economy lost 11 trillion in net worth and 500 billion in yearly revenue the last 6 months of Bush. Our deficits remain over 1 trillion because Obama has far more people collecting unemployment, welfare and food stamps due to the meltdown and 500 billion a year less revenue. Not due to any new programs by Obama. He hasn't created any except Obamacare which is fully funded.
I wonder how many right wingers know that it was Bush that expanded food stamps to illegals under certain circumstances with the 2002 farm bill. Where was the outrage?
ALL these progressives forget the big question. (the elephant in the room) DID OBOMA EVER PASS A BUDGET IN OVER 4 YEARS..... NOT! I also agree the rpukes are dead because of the way they treated the real conservitives and pushed the Marxist adgenda. Same as the left. Someone posted that Bush's 2 wars were expensive. That is correct but what about Lybia,Egypt, Syria, and tmost of Africa as well as Pakistan. Other unconstitutional wars. Funny how dumb most sound here. Our guy can't do no wrong while your guy is all wrong even if they do the same thing. WAKE UP SHEEPLE. Neither has your best interest in mind, 2 puppets one string. Research their cabinets and doners to get them elected....... Gee they are almost identical.... So who is right or wrong?
Urban Roman: Hopefully you're too young to vote. Name one program or expense that Obama has intitiated that adds to the debt. Our debt went from 5.7 trillion under Clinton most of which was carry over from Reagan to 12.1 trillion under Bush. The only new program Obama has done is Obamacare which is fully funded. The debt is growing under Obama because he has to care for the millions dumped on welfare programs by Bush with 500 billion less tax revenue lost in the meltdown. Obama hasn't made anything easler to get. The 2009 budget was passed by Bush in October 2008, before Obama was even elected with a 1.2 trillion deficit. Bush cut taxes 400 billion a year, made a new 100 billion a year drug plan and fought 2 wars off the books all which exploded the debt. Someone on the right link new unpaid for programs initiated by Obama if you can. If Obama is responsible for so much new social spending why can't anyone link it? Hard to blame Obama for paying benefits to people that qualify under the same rules as under Bush.
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Just to info you. The president doesn't pass budgets. Congress does.
Repackaging the same old schtick will get them nowhere. Results count, and they have stood in the way of results for too long.
What results have we seen in the last four years? All I am hearing is that we still have a long way to go, talk about flip-flopping, what happened to if I can't get it done in four years.
Thank you
What have you accomplished in 4 years that you are still trying to get done.
Yeah, at least were not losing 700,000 a month, right wing amnesia.
Last comment - 700,000 jobs a month. Excuse me
dan -
That was just one month at the height of the end of the housing bubble - caused by democrats who felt that everyone should own a home even if they couldn't afford one.
By the way, why do we have the lowest labor participation rate in decades? Well, actually since Carter? Just because people no longer qualify for unemployment does not mean that they aren't looking for work. It just means that they aren't being counted any longer because they are drawing welfare instead. If things are so much better, as jobs go, why aren't there jobs for those who actually want them?
Congress passed laws requiring lenders to end redlining. They passed no law requiring no doc loans, loans to unqualified people, no down loans or to end requiring mortgage insurance with less than 20% down. If congress had passed such laws Freddie and Fannie wouldn't be able to force them to repay nearly 100 billion to buy back loans they sold that didn't fit their requirements. You use simple actions by congress to end discrimination by refusing to lend in large area's based on racial makeup regardless of credit or income to blame congress for the meltdown even though Bush never vetoed any initiative regarding housing. The buck stops with the president. Every time. The meltdown occurred because of greed for the huge money banks make on underwriting loans they sold fraudulently to Fannie Mae.
So they're going to try hating women, immigrants, and minorities... nicely?
Good luck, GOP. You spent too many years catering to the lunatic fringe, and using paranoid delusionals like Rush Limbaugh and Ann Coulter as your spokespeople. There isn't enough lipstick in the world to cover this pig.
It is only the criminal ones we hate, not the legal immigrants, and women that want the freedom to choose, but not to pay for Abortions themselves.
a lot of these repubs should have been aborted and this discussion would never occur.
The Dems say Repulicans hate but look at the two liberal comments above. They are the only hateful comments. Interesting!
300Michael, tell that to all of the women living in Virginia where they tried to push through a MANDATED transvaginal ultrasound on ALL abortions. That would have meant government sanctioned RAPE on ALL abortions. Instead, they changed it to an external ultrasound which serves NO PURPOSE since at 8 to 10 weeks a fetus is usually not VISIBLE on an external ultrasound. Tell that to the women's clinics that have to comply with HOSPITAL STANDARDS for width of hallways etc. but other outpatient surgery centers DON'T. Tell that to the women in states where all physicians who perform abortions MUST have admitting privileges at local hospitals yet the local hospitals will not GRANT them admitting privileges so the clinics have to close. Tell that to the women of Texas where they are refusing to fund Planned Parenthood so women won't be able to get low-cost birth control and cancer screenings. Tell that to the women who are being tormented by abusive men or who have been raped/beaten by strangers, since the Republicans are ACTIVELY BLOCKING the Violence Against Women Act for the first time since it was proposed. You obviously have NO IDEA what you are talking about. Tell that to the women who are working for religious nuts who need birth control but the PERSONAL faith of the owner of the company is preventing the COMPANY from allowing the insurance company to offer birth control FOR ANY REASON.
The Hyde amendment prohibits federal funds from being used for abortions. Whoever told you differently is LYING to you.
JoDepper, I think people are just getting fed up with the Republican Trolls and The Democrats are just giving them back what they are giving out.
@Cat, what is interesting here, just recently a pregnant woman with twins all died in a Catholic Hospital and a suit was filled by her husband for wrongful death and the Churches Lawers argue for the chuch that the unborn children were Fetuses and therefore not a living being. They, the Church, claims that life begins at conception. I guess this would be a good case of what happens when you let Religion cross over to Laws. Before you Religious Zellist jump on me, I'm not condeming anybodies Religion. I stand by the fact that Church and State should never cross Lines. This I feel is an example of what can happen. Somebody is going to back paddle on what they claim. I also have yet to hear of any statement from the Church on the matter either.
That may be your view but not the republican platform. The republican platform recognizes the moment of conception as being a baby. If enacted as law that would make the use of a spermicide or morning after pill murder. You people defend your party without even knowing their agenda or goals.
The guys in Washington can talk all they want to about rebranding the Republican Party but the actions of Republican controlled state governments across the country is making liars out of them on abortion, voter's rights, immigration, gay rights etc. Changing the label when the local party is revealing what is really in the can is not going to work. Watching what the Republican Party is doing is much more revealing that listenting to what they say.
Keep telling the truth about what the real goal of the Republican party. The party of no! The party of hate! The party of crazy! The party for the very Rich, not the middle class and poor. It is really very hard to belive they have a heart. I wish they would smile sometime
For claiming to be oh so tolerant of others you guys sure do spout an incredible amout of hate.
All you have to do is read the comments here.
By the way, why hasn't Feisty, Beverly, and a few of the others been banned for COH violations?
Oh! That's right! They're liberals.
You criticize them yet ignore that out of 5 posts below you 2 refer to democrats as libtards. Tunnel vision?
As long as the wing nuts like Paul Braun, Michelle Bachman, tea party representatives in the House, the remaining wing nuts like Rand Paul out of the Senate, maybe congress might have a chance to change. Republican policies need drastic changing in order to fit todays America. No matter how they decorate their image, their policies will not change because they do not like minorities, middleclass, the unemployed and the fast retiring "Baby Boomers." They would like us all to die by throwing us away like a piece of trash after we all have contributied to society and kept this country free from appression for years and years. Cantor should be booted out of office along with Boiehner in the next election..... The republican party are obstructionist who are not interested in doing the work americans put them in office to do. I hope Sen. Mitch McConnell gets booted out by educated Judd. That would show McConnel, he doesn't mean much....Kentucky is in a hard place with two failures like Rand Paul and Mitch McConnell. Then you can throw in McCain into the mix as an obstructionist big time. He throws his best friends, like Hagel under the bus. I'd hate to see what he thinks of his enemys!
Give it a rest lady. Michelle Bachmann? You're just upset that she's terrific and your Life Style lifts didn't work. If you want to talk about losers in the DemNutCrats party let's start with Alan Grayson shall we? Or how about Jesse Jackson Jr. Let's throw in Anthony Weiner, whose running for mayor of New York and of course Andre' Carson.
Republican's don't like minorities? Mia Love, Condoleeza Rice, J C Watts, Susanna Martinez, Ted Cruz, Nikki Haley, Tim Scott Bobby Jindahl Marco Rubio......and just who do you have as far as minorities in YOUR party? Maxine Waters? Shelia Jackson Lee? Yeah they're real mainstream NOT.
Lady you redefine the word stupid. The Republican's have submitted 29 jobs bills to the Senate but Harry Reid refuses to hear them. Get your facts straight.
If Ashley Judd isi the best you've got then I will sleep very well. Just what is her political experience? I'm sorry, the silence is deafening.
They would like you to die? Have you ever heard the expression that it's better to keep your mouth shut and let people think you're an idiot then to open up your mouth and remove all doubt? TOO LATE
Definitely too late, buffalo, you proved that maxim beyond all doubt.
Any of you libtards notice the debt is growing much faster? Any of you have a basic understanding of economics? As the debt grows, so does our interest payments, and the cycle is speeding up, not to mention the 600 Billion more that the democrats did not disclose to get Skeeter re-elected. This is a crazy train off the rails.
you are very ignorant,to use any word with tard is not nice,and your karma could be bad for offspring as well as yourself.i'd think before you type.
Go ahead and call me a Libtard or anything alse you want. The only people that do this are the ones that are loosing their grip and lash out anyway they can to make the other guy feel down. Yes I know how to play that Phsyc game to. When you do the name calling and cannot produce 1 substanciated fact you are loosing the battle.
Yes, Bachmann & Palin share 3 brain cell ... and Bachmann has 2 of them.
Thats 3 times the brain cells found in Obama and BIden
Urban Roman, I had already replied to one of your previous posts regarding increases in national debt, demonstrating that the Republican presidents have been responsible for the largest increases in debt.
Now here's something that will blow your mind...the deficit under Obama is not big enough! Here's an enlightening blog post regarding modern monetary theory:
http://arlissbunny.wordpress.com/2012/11/25/modern-monetary-theory-vs-the-fiscal-cliff/
How many does someone who can't argue or defend their parties agenda have? All people like you have are one liners, insults and conspiracy theories. Obama's a secret Muslim, he was born in Kenya, his school records show he got caught smoking pot once. How's that?
"Any of you libtards notice the debt is growing much faster?"
Any of you teatards know that the increase on new federal spending under President Obama is the lowest since Eisenhower and that the vast majority of the current spending was passes long BEFORE he even took office?
I didn't think so. Rush the junkie didn't tell you.
The Repulican Party remains so out of touch that their attempts to "fix" their image problem will only serve to drive more away.
The problem is not that people don't understand what their principles are, and that those principles aren't being effective communicated. Their problem is that people understand better than they're given credit for, and explaining the message better will only serve to push the party further to the fringes of our society.
What is out of touch with reality is thinking that money grows on trees - which is evident in the way democrats 'spend' like there's no tomorrow.
What new programs has Obama enacted that isn't paid for? Obamacare is fully funded. Bush left office dumping 8 million Americans on welfare, unemployment and food stamps that Obama has to provide for. He hasn't passed anything to make these benefits easier to get he merely has far more qualifying. In the last 6 months of Bush the country lost 11 trillion in net worth and 500 billion lower tax revenue so you blame Obama for not caring for many more people with far less money. The 2009 budget with a 1.2 trillion defict was passed under Bush in October 2008, before Obama was even elected yet your side counts that expense on Obama. You can't sell it. We're spending money like it grows on tree's to get out of Bush's mess. Bush won his first term promising to return the Clinton surplus to the people with a 400 billion tax cut while Gore campaigned on using this extra to pay off the debt. Bush turned our surplus into a 400 billion deficit his first year with a 400 billion tax cut. Coincidence? I don't think so.
Hahahaha,,,,,,,,,,,How can anyone be stupid enough to vote for these idiots?
I'm not a Democrat, But I am pretty sure it isn't Republican "words" that are
the problem, 2014 should be VERY interesting, LOL
I guess I am pretty stupid and I voted for them...but I guess my 2 graduate degrees clouded my thinking. 2014 should be interesting. If you knew anything about politics, and you clearly don't, you'd know the President's party generally loses seats in the Senate in an off year. Oh but you knew that! Your post is replete (that means full for a genuis like you)
Funny how the DemNutCrats voted Obama's jobs bill down and the Dream Act. And you might want to ask Debbie Wasserman Schultz and ObamNuts about their offshore/overseas investments. Don't know what they are? Why am I not surprised.
Creepybuff: You should have stopped after your first six words.
The Republicans need to learn how to smile
....and laugh hysterically.
..at themselves
I'm all for illegals going legit and paying taxes. Once they get taxed 48% of their income, like me, maybe they will WTFU!!
48%??? I thought the top rate was 39%
When you don't actually make income, you can make up any number you want.