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Subscribe to RSSAfter President Obama told a magazine that he shoots skeet at Camp David, critics and reporters demanded proof. The White House released a photo Saturday of the president in action. NBC's Kristen Welker reports.
WASHINGTON -- Seeking to put to rest questions on whether Barack Obama was a straight shooter when he claimed he went skeet shooting "all the time," the White House on Saturday offered proof: a photo of the president blasting away at clay targets.
Obama drew skepticism when he made the assertion in a recent interview with the New Republic magazine, an attempt to show sympathy for hunters even as he pushes for tighter gun controls after the Newtown school shooting massacre in December.
Obama's aides were in the awkward position of standing by his comments while resisting reporters' demands for proof that he was indeed a regular on the shooting range at the presidential retreat in the Maryland mountains.
The White House finally weighed in on Saturday with a photo of Obama skeet shooting at Camp David last August 4.
"For all the ‘skeeters'," Obama senior adviser Dan Pfeiffer said in a Twitter message linked to the photo, which showed the president -- wearing sunglasses, jeans and noise mufflers on his ears -- firing a shotgun with smoke spraying from the barrel.
It was unclear, however, whether a single photo would satisfy skeptics about his claim that he and his guests frequently shoot clay pigeons at Camp David.
Obama, in the New Republic interview, was asked if he had ever fired a gun.
"Yes, in fact, up at Camp David, we do skeet shooting all the time," Obama said.
"The whole family?" he was asked.
"Not the girls, but oftentimes guests of mine go up there. And I have a profound respect for the traditions of hunting that trace back in this country for generations. And I think those who dismiss that out of hand make a big mistake."
Conservative critics immediately questioned the Democratic president's assertion, and talk show comedians had a field day with the idea that he had taken up shooting as a hobby.
U.S. Representative Marsha Blackburn, a Tennessee Republican, even challenged Obama to a skeet-shooting contest.
Obama's comment was widely seen as an attempt to reach out to gun owners to ease their concerns about his legislative proposals, the biggest gun control push in decades. He will travel to Minnesota on Monday to speak on gun control.
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Get used to Liberals with guns.
Liberals may have to "take back our country" and need to feel comfortable shooting guns. LOL
We need those 2nd amend rights more than you Koch supported Fascists.
Politics does not determine gun ownership. I've owned guns since I was 14, and I rarely vote for republican candidates.
Move over Jesus...Obama's political team will fabricate anything to perpetuate a mythos around this guy. I'm waiting for the walk on water picture...
Ron sees a conspiracy everywhere. Its ok the mothership will be arriving for you soon.
I could almost see people posting their conspiracy crap here if Fox was paying them - but to post their denials for free kinda points toward serious mental illness. At least all you Photoshop wizards will have something to mull over for a while. Me, I'm not a gun owner, but if the Prez wants to blast the brains out of a skeet or two - at least it doesn't bleed. And what in heck does "Move over Jesus" have to do with anything??
Ron just confirms what we already know. FOX says Obama hates guns. The White House mentions the truth that he actually shoots skeet and enjoys guns. FOX news refuses to believe it and says its all a lie. Evidence is now given. Next step for FOX and their viewers? The picture must be totally fabricated and made up. Just like his birth certificate. Just like global warming. Just like...
You can't convince an idiot. Proof is irrelevant.
I can't help but wonder who the president's shooting instructor is, the stock is way too high on his shoulder, it was probably killing him after a few shots.
Skeet are generally thrown high so I'm wondering why the barrel is almost horizontal. Hmmm... maybe he had his eyes closed, or maybe he spotted a Republican.
Aim high, Mr. President
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The DOW Jones Industrial Average is really high - above 14,000 for the first time in 5 years.
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Things are looking up.
There he goes again attempting to equate the 2nd amendment to hunting rights, and he'll keep at it. After all, with the assistance of his propaganda ministry (the media) he's managed mostly to equate the civilian AR platform to assault weapons. It's only his dullard zombie followers that don't know the difference.
Timothy Kaluhiokalani 1.8
your ponderings can be easily explained if you consider this was a "staged" photo and not any actual skeet shooting.
timothy -
Good point, as anybody who has actually shot a shotgun would know. Also, what's with the puff of smoke coming from somewhere about 4-6 inches before the end of the barrel? That alone says that Obama's instructors are idiots for letting him shoot an unsafe gun, or they are hoping that the barrel blows up in his face - unless it is a photoshopped picture.
Its amazing how you liberal pigs just lambast Wall Street until you need them to be the Good thing about the American economy Obama has turned around.You go piglet.LMAO
It's the Libs with guns we have to be worried about:
Why is it that none of the disturbed and evil
men, who steal guns, then go and kill movie-goers and children in school, has
ever been identified as conservative or republican?
HERE THEY ARE.
Ft Hood Shooter ~~~ Registered Democrat ~
Muslim
Columbine ~~~ Too young to vote; both families
were registered Democrats and progressive liberals
Virginia Tech ~~~ Wrote hate mail to President
Bush and to his staff ~ Registered
Democrat
Colorado Theater ~~~ Registered Democrat;
staff worker on the Obama campaign; Occupy Wall Street participant; progressive
liberal
Connecticut
School Shooter- ~~~ Registered Democrat; hated
Christians
Common thread is that all of these shooters
were progressive liberal Democrats.
INTERESTING, isn't it?
Maybe Democrats shouldn't have guns!
Pigotry: Has a good point...."Aim high, Mr. President'
Looking at the angle the shotgun is being held.....the clay pigeon must be falling rather low.
The shoulder well is rather shallow as well.
Pigotry why do you like Obama's balls so much? your such douche!
The skeet birthers are claiming that Obama is holding the gun too level. Well, here's a video that shows Olympic skeet shooters holding their guns almost exactly the same way. It's especially obvious for some of the shots by the woman shooter about 2:50 minutes into the video that she's holding her gun almost level, with the rifle stock at the same position on her shoulder as Obama was holding his.
http://www.ktvu.com/videos/sports/how-hard-can-it-be-olympic-skeet-shooting/vc48n/
Better give it up, guys. Maybe you'll have better luck with proving the moon landings were hoaxes.
Mike
You also forgot to point out that every one of those incidents except the fort hood shooter was initially blamed on "right wing extremist republicans".
Do republicans commit crimes? Yes, but according to the voting by felons (where the law permits and doesn't permit) the voting is 66% - 90% for democrats.
Just remember it's those evil conservatives/republicans you have to watch out for . . . . . no matter what the numbers say!
**** Notice *****
No clay pigeons were harmed during the staged photo-op.
DemandSide
Does your dumb ass even know what Fascism is? For if it it did, it would know that it is the antithesis of what Conservatives and Republicans strive for. It is also the antithesis of what Liberal Socialists strive for. However it fits nicely into the Liberal Progressive Agenda. Government control of Private Property. The Socialists want to own and control the Property, (i.e. One party Healthcare), Progressives just want the control, (i.e. the current ACA, OASDI, gun control)
The Conservatives want the ownership and the control to be private, HOW IS THAT FASCISM? No wonder you are demand side, you got it all backwards.
And my guess is, you think your right are granted or stem from the Constitution, what an idiot. I tell, you what. Why don't you sit down, be quiet, and let the grown ups talk, maybe you'll learn something accidentally in the process, but I doubt it.
More than half of American voters put Pres. Obama back into the White House for a 2nd term.... 2 terms for our first African American President. History is made.
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Truly ....American the Beautiful.
Mike in Delray
You're just another nitwit who doesn't live in the "evidence based world" as Hillary Clinton put it.
Pigotry why do you like Obama's balls so much?
DB Akron...(#1.17)...Re: Ft.Hood Shooter
P.0bama knew right away the name of the Shooter....He made sure to say in his First Statement "" Let's not jump to any conclusions"".....Hours before the press was given the name Maj. Nadal Malik Hasan....
Mike in Delray
Yeah, He watched it live from the situation room, just like he watched the Benghazi attack (according to Sean Hannity).
Oh boy. The NRA will use him as a poster child with that photo.
Houston : Watched your video. Even the noob the Olympic shooters were training, had the shotgun more in contact to the shoulder. And his, the noobs, angle is even higher.
Here's link for you. http://www.positiveshooting.com/GunMountMain.html
Note, I'm not saying you need a solid shoulder well like in high power rifle shooting. Note, In my video link the message about angle of fire , for safeties sake.
Having the shotgun at that angle with a weak contact to the shoulder?? Well good thing skeet loads are loaded lighter than hunting loads.
I applaud the President for trying. A better try , would be at a rifle or pistol range.
You know if he goes shooting "all the time", playing basketball "all the time" and golfing "all the time" when does he have "all the time" to Govern. An shouldn't they have video of him shooting skeet from several months ago?
timothy
Well we know it wasn't cheney. No one got shot in the face.
Trynka,
This does not prove that Obama is an avid skeet shooter. The White House probable made Obama go take this picture after his comments. You want to show us for sure release the records from the skeet shooting range that shows how many time Obama and his friends have been there; I would bet my life just this once. It is real easy everyone has to sign in to shoot at a range so show us their logs that shows when the Commander of Lies and Chief of Destruction was there. People usually remember when they go hooting so let see those and then we want to ask the people hat where there on those days and the people that signed in before and after him. That would put an end to it. I suspect just like his birth certificate it will be phony and don’t say his birth certificate is not phony because it has been reviewed by professional crime investigators and they say it is phony and that it is a PDF that is overlaid on other PDF’s. the just to be sure they went to Hawaii to see the presidents birth certificate because it is public knowledge but they were not allowed to see it and the county records office called the police and had them escorted out of the building and Hawaii because the police said they didn’t have jurisdiction but jurisdiction is not t needed to see the presidents birth certificate as it is a document that the public can demand to see “the original not a copy” because he is the president. I can make a copy of anything. You don’t even need special software. So don’t tell me he is an avid shooter with one picture. Or the White House can produce the picture with date stamps of every time Obama and Friends went to the range, don’t tell me there are none, he is photographed on everything he does. There is a photographer on staff and that is his job to take pictures all day long.
Don't take away my guns!
I need them to protect me from the right wing wacko's who think they need to fight off the government.
Cause if they think they can take on the government, they won't think twice about shooting me.
Bill1488
Yeah. And when is he going to release his REAL birth certificate?
Here's a reference that proves Obama discussed practicing with fire arms TWO YEAR ago:
http://www.wildcat.arizona.edu/index.php/article/2010/09/obama_praises_texas_christian_universitys_champion_allfemale_rifle_team
Or was this article "planted" on the Arizona web site by Obama's minions only yesterday? Feeble minds want to know!!!!
bill1488
Sure they did, right after they went out and glued all the leaves back on the trees right?
This is to all the racists who hate President, yes, President Obama, for another four years, eat your livers. No matter what our President does, regardless of how positive, or good for our country it is, it will always be criticized, belittled, and hated by these undereducated, ignorant, idiots. I don't care if the President never shot skeet before, he's a great President and pulled us back from the financial brink at the start of his first term, we owe him a lot. Now, take that idiot woman that wants to have a skeet shooting contest with the President, that's a good idea, if she will agree to have a body surfing contest at Sandy Beach, in Hawaii, afterwards. Oh Yeah! And to all of you pathetic, stupid, racist President Obama haters, Fuc# You!! Aloha.
The only thing that really worries me about these multitudes of nut jobs is that one day we will run out of our supply of tin foil, for their hats. Hopefully Koch Industries will be able to keep up a good inventory!!
What next? Y'all gonna spray paint the guy white? Can't you at least 'shop out the asphalt?
You nay'sayers are funny! Really!! LOL!!
First, there was the Birther Movement, and now.....
the Skeeter Movement! LOL!!
What's next on your lame agenda? :)
Did he go through a background check before getting that gun? That is all I would like to know. Well, I guess he could have gotten it at a Chicago gun show or from a family friend.
Now Mike,
You know you gotta be more PC!! Ft Hood was just "work place violence!"
Pigotry
Tell me something Pigotry, do you " Love " Obama, and for that matter, any one else, in chime in, "Do you love Obama?" let's call it an impromptu survey.
Notice the excessive smoke, and the fact that there is no recoil evedent in his stance (look at the shoulder and watch dial). However, the original was not shot after his comments were made, as it is obviously Summer.
@ Houston!
I am not so concerned about the Birth Certificate, one would hope that the Secret Service, would have him vetted. (of course they did cover up for Kennedy, Johnson, and others)
I am wondering when is he going to be forced to turn over the Fast and Furious stuff. And what is so damn incriminating, that requires Executive Privilege? The fact that Fast and Furious ties all this together. An operation to get people stirred up about American supplied guns killing Mexicans, with the UN Small Arms Treaty, and a couple mass shootings here? Is it going to expose a campaign to confiscate all the "Assault Style Rifles"? Call me paranoid if you want. Too many coincidences.
And that was point at post number 1.27. No, this crap is staged. Obama has been anti-gun since he 5, and his mama wouldn't let him have a cap gun. He is a Communist for crying out loud, people, since when do Communist, especially those in power, espouse, power to the people with guns? But he says "blah, blah", and he says, "blah blah" Of course he does, HE IS A POLITICIAN, He says what people want to hear, and you want to hear, "The Government can make it all better, if we can tax the Rich(if you just give us more money), and take away your freedom (gun control). "
NewMalthus
Actually, this could have been taken in Hawaii at Christmas, but yeah he does have awkward stance.
Yeah, if this guy is an avid shooter, I am Buck Rogers. But, hey, when your a dope smokin hippy liberal, you can be all things to all people. And these people just love this guy.
dumb
Right after bush releases the papers on operation wide receiver. And tells us who sealed those papers.
I guess he could have been a drunk like the last president and vice president.
The above comment is the exact definition of facism. Democracy=Public. Facism=Private
Boy this feels like a parallel universe. In the movie called "World At War" the black President named Fitz Hugh is shooting skeet talking to his VP. He too was portrayed as an avid Skeet shooter. He had one flaw, Fitz supported Carpathia. Fitz got America into an international world union which gave America not only gun control but total loss of sovereignty. Strangely after all the help Fitz Hugh was to Carpathia, Carpathia suddenly tries to have Fitz killed so Lou Gosset Jr who plays Fitz changes sides and has to fight Carpathia. Hmmm will art show another glimpse into life?
DumbFarmBoy
You'd be surprised at how much the Republicans unintentially support facism, the Republican party is largely funded by private sources, same with the Nazi Party, the Republicans are trying to restrict personal freedoms such as Gay marriage, and abortion, like the Nazis, and the Republicans want to be warmongers, like the Nazi's
All this rhetoric about banning guns and he's out skeet shooting!! Such hypocrites in left field!
Does anybody REALLY believe anything coming from this administration or the liberal media backing any and everything he does or says?
We are the laughing stock of the world with a leader that will do and say anything to advance his agenda.
Truth is, he probably didn't even know what skeet shooting was before the gun issue came in to play.
Geez, people. Did he ever say he was good at shooting? Did he say it was his passion and he had lots of lessons and was wonderful? So what if he doesn't quite stand or hold it as you experts think he should? I have hit many golf balls in my life and if someone asked if I ever golfed I can honestly say sure. But that doesn't change the fact that I suck at it and no matter how much coaching I had I still most likely would.
Who gives a crap if he looks studly or awesome at shooting skeet????? Seriously...you got nothing better than to make up crazy stuff every.single.time he does something????? Maybe he was simply shooting for practice...who cares????????????
You people criticize every word he says, demand proof of things no one asked for from other presidents, and then when he shows them to humor your conspiracy theories you say the proof is all lies and photoshopped. Really, get lives. Who really cares how often a president shoots a gun????? He said guests like to, and he isn't saying he's some expert marksman. Geez. All the things in the world to question and you can't let a picture go???? Is that your whole focus in life...you get up each day with the idea of a GOTCHA for people you don't like or agree with?
I have spent many years liking or disliking policies and presidents, but I never wasted all the time some seem to trying to "prove" everything one man says is a lie. Holy moly. Who cares how many little bitty skeets he shot?
My bet he wasn't skeet shooting at all, but target shooting. His target was probably a copy of the US Constitution. That's more his style... given his record, eh?
"Notice the excessive smoke, and the fact that there is no recoil evedent in his stance ..."
That does look a lot like a squibb blackpowder load. More like he's shooting kiwi. There must be fifty coaches this side of the camera.
deryl and Brit -
Evidently, neither of you are too bright as you have no idea of the definition of fascism. Here's the definition from dictionary.com -
fascism
Definition
fas·cism
[ fá shìzzÉ™m ]
To hear the pronunciation, install Silverlight
NOUN
1.
dictatorial
movement: any movement, ideology, or attitude that
favors dictatorial government, centralized control of private enterprise,
repression of all opposition, and extreme nationalism
Now, how about if you two try to get educated instead of swallowing the liberal propaganda?
It is funny to hear all the right wing wacko's posting on msnbc, but then again, fox news turned off the ability to post on their website because they could not handle negative responses from the Left. Here on our site we welcome right wing wacko comments because we know what time it is and your 15 minutes are up.
What was left out of the picture was what Mr. Obama was shooting at: a target picture of _________— or Bigfoot.
Progressives = gun control = no change in street violence = don't do as I do but what I say = hypocrites.
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brenda1964.....".....we welcome right wing wacko comments because we know what time it is and your 15 minutes are up."
How about forwarding your comment to FLYeisty the Blonde convert. Her first post generally says "wacko" things about other people from the get go. Then again, I haven't heard of any Progressive who is open to ANYTHING other folks have to say.
Ido .... One could say the same about you. I have never hear a post from you that was not strictly far right. Where is your openess to other then fox news talking points?
What this conservative has to say. I'm the proud receiver of 25 straight patch. I tried several times for 100 straight, but never made it. I have loved skeet and trap most of my life, but gave it up several years ago. Anyway, if he is shooting skeet, he better fire his instructor cause he has a terrible lead. His gun posture is that of a total novice. Nothing wrong with being a novice at anything. We all have to start somewhere. What was he firing at? I will put my $$$ at a water melon on a post.
Everything a president does is photographed. Staged pic, I do not think so. My guess it was at most maybe the 2nd time he ever fired a weapon. So what!!!!!!!!!!!! What my b.s. meter goes off the scale about is the implication he shoots skeet often at camp david.
This is just such a non story. I prefer to watch and listen to his words and actions about legislation.
Timothy noticed too. Remind me to not go skeet shooting with Obama.
So Barry makes a comment & then suddenly, theres a photo..... a SINGLE photo..... after so long searching for Barry's birth certificate, school records and such.... the White House releases a photo of Barry firing a shotgun to make the case for his support of the 2nd Amendment..... very strange set of circumstances..... very strange......
Who gives a rat's ass about this.
I could care less if Obama has been shooting skeet for 30 years or 30 seconds. That doesn't prove that he likes the 2nd Amendment. It doesn't prove that he supports the 2nd Amendment. It also doesn't prove that he likes/agrees with civilians owning guns. (BTW, the 2nd doesn't have anything to do with the right to hunt or shoot skeet).
All of you are aware that the laws the political thumb suckers in D.C. pass only apply to the peon common serfs (sorry, I meant honored citizens) that the elite rule over (I mean they work for us & are only concerned with our best interests). The political thumb suckers in D.C. usually exempt themselves from the laws they pass.
If they banned common serfs (i.e. citizens) from owning all weapons except plastic rounded tip butter knives I can guarantee you that all the political bozos in D.C. & their family/friends would still have access to & could own any type of firearm ever made.
So Obama being a skeet shooter or not is irrelevant & doesn't prove a damn thing.
Mark, hopefully he'll keep missing!
Gwaddamn! Outspoken gun freaks think only those dumb as they are can shoot a gun. I reckon none of you sons-ah-bitches could ever say a damn thing that's not based on goofy imagination. You're getting to be plumb embarrassing, even to those like myself, who already know you're stupid as a snake screwing a stick.
Mac Forrester, spoken like a staunch liberal. Say What?
someone needs to regulate Mac's obama bucks, he's overdosing on fast food or something!
Oh, Good Lord....this kind of propaganda makes me sick. Oh, yes...he's a regular guy....
What's next?...pictures of him bowling?...Eating a cheeseburger?
How stupid do they think we are?...no, wait...don't answer that...
Actually we think you and your conspiracy freaks on the Right are very stupid. You asked so I told you. If you didn't want to hear then you should not have asked for an answer. You keep trying to throw mud at him trying to get something to stick. You tried his birth certificate and he showed you the regular one and the long form one and still you say it's a fake. You say he is against the 2nd amendment and he says not so, I even go skeet shooting. You don't believe him so he shows you a picture and now you criticize because he only showed you one instead of 2000 pictures. Do you really hate a black man as President so much that you will try anything to make him look bad? Wow, I guess stupid really is as stupid does.
Sure! Because ignorant, paranoid people that believe in Rush Limbaugh and FOX are more "qualified" to have them!
SARCASM!!!!!!
Mike in Delray,
Since nobody is calling you on this, I will:
The Ft. Hood shooter was either a resident of Texas or Virginia. There is no partisan voter registration in either state. We don't know how he voted but IT ISN'T POSSIBLE FOR HIM TO BE A REGISTERED DEMOCRAT. Try thinking for yourself instead of parroting what an ENTERTAINER tells you.
Ok, I'm confused. I'm from Chicago so I am not familiar with skeet shooting. However, I have seen movies with blokes skeet shooting. What exactly is Obama shooting at? Isn't the skeet thingy up in the air like birds? If so, why is Obama aiming down? Just asking....
President Obama takes aim at the NRA, you don't need crazy guns and clips to be a shooter !!!
Yes, you are confused. You're just another Right wing wacho conspiracy theorist trying to make the President look bad. I mean really? Your biggest worry right now is how the President shoots a skeet? Republicans, KEEP YOUR EYE ON THE BALL.
Looks like the Republican party is choking on President Obama's bubble gun !!!
This is Proof that the President believes in the right to bear arms !!!
Hmmm...photo was taken on his birthday, 4 Aug 12. While on the same day he was playing golf for 6 hours at Andrews AFB as reported by Reuters and WH.org. Seriously, you Obamabots that want to keep believing everything that this sham-wow salesman has to pitch are the most delusional human beings ever.
If you are correct it doesn't contradict anything but just goes to show he has a lot of energy and is very busy. If you have anything real and contradictory, post it.
As far as one comment on where is the photo of Obama walking on water, I believe they are still working on "photo shopping" out Bush II.
Mr. President, aim high and lead, works for skeet too.
Hitler, Stalin, Lenin.. also 'shot skeet all the time', they also took guns away from their citizens before starting their purges! Coincidence? You decide!
LOL He's using a shotgun. You're evidently ignorant of firearms, yes?
I have a picture that shows me in the White House.
It doesn't make me POTUS any more than ONE staged photo of Obama awkwardly firing a shotgun makes him a 'shooter'.
President Obama using a over and under shotgun for skeet shooting and NRA members need AK-47's to do the same, must be bad shooters !!!
@Brenda - I think you should go to my page and read all of my posts. You have mistakenly called me a "conspiracy theorist on the right" which I am not. Then you go on to describe some of the right wing kook-balls' more retarded pronouncements.
The definition of "propaganda" from Webster's dictionary : the spreading of ideas, information, or rumor for the purpose of helping or injuring an institution, a cause, or a person
If you can't see that this photo satisfies this definition, then I don't know what else I could say. Better yet, find a copy of "Manufacturing Consent" and read it. I think that will open your eyes.
@Got Aspirin?: Doesn't matter. You people would say a photo of the President sitting on the toilet was staged. President eating a Cheeseburger? How gwaddamn phoney! Juice of the fruits of La la land.
It wouldn't matter if there was an hour long video of the President skeet shooting while someone sat nearby reading a newspaper dated August 2012. All the FOX/GOP/TP/NRA crowd would still scream that it was a photo-op, faked, rehearsed, staged, etc.
Reminds me so much of the days when Clinton was President and how the GOP crowd tried everything in their mortal power to berate, humiliate, and discredit him. Funny how he kept coming back stronger.
I think the President looks pretty sharp holding a shotgun, and though I have only personally watched skeet shooting once in my life, the way he is holding the gun before the trap is released, looks pretty authentic to what I saw.
Actually, I wish he had not released the photo at all. There is no reason to cave to the childish ranting of the opposition. NOTHING will ever silence them. They are boils on the butt of society that will never heal no matter how much salve you spread on.
@Mac...what does "you people" mean?
@Got Aspirin #1.79: Conspiracitites.
@Got Aspirin: Went back and reread your post #1.63: I owe you an apology. Read it too fast the first time. Made an ass of myself. I now get your meaning. My sincerely apologies. Best regards
All over and under shotguns don't have both barrels the same. I have seen a shotgun/rifle combo also. A gunsmith can pretty much make whatever you want within the law. The puffs of smoke at right angle to the barrel is small ported vents that help hold the barrel down when fired. Some of these guns will run easily into the thousands of dollars and are why parents pass these items along to their children. However a phot of Obama firing a weapon proves nothing. No different then taking a 12 year old boy out to shoot for the first time.
No worries, Mac. Have a great day.
Cheers!
flnobody
Did I miss something? Who is reporting that Bush is withholding "Papers" on 'Wide Receiver"? And which Executive Privilege is Bush hiding behind?
And when did they install the "Brewery" in the White House? 2011? hmmm, sounds to me like this President likes getting sauced too, with all the beer summits and all.
@ deryl -638200
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@ pragmatic Brit
Ever wonder why we can't have an intelligent conversation? It takes at least two intelligent people to carry on an intelligent conversation.
You two are so intellectually stunted, I am not even sure I know why I am replying. Everything I say will go straight over your feeble minds, but maybe someone else in the crowd might learn something.
Tammy-311614 (thank you Tammy) got us off to a good start;
So Deryl, so here it is in general. The 3 main economic theories:(overly simplified for the feeble minded)
Capitalism: Private ownership, controlled by the market place(private), with only government (public) regulation of product safety.
Fascism: Private ownership, (and in some cases government ownership of strategic industries), controlled somewhat by the market place(private), but mostly by the government(public) in 3 or 5 year plans and heavy Government(public) regulation.
Socialism/Communism: Public ownership (government ownership, no private ownership) with complete Government control and regulation.
The further you move Left down the line of the Political Spectrum, (to the complete Right is Anarchy, which is no Government control or regulation, to the complete Left which is Communism, complete control and regulation) The more the government control increases. So, I ask you again, how can Conservative Republicans be called Fascist?
Democracy=Public (Government). In essence then you are telling me you are a low life disgusting Communist.
And Then the Pragmatic Brit, goes off and gets all confused, and conflates Nazis with Fascist, which is to conflate Fascism with antisemitism. OK, Fascism is an economic theory, and has nothing to do with racial prejudices. And the truth be told, if you truly understood anything about what the Liberal Progressives are doing, you would know that they are segregating this country even further, and in a more insidious way than what was done prior to the 60's. And the funny thing is, the blacks and the Hispanics, and all the other minorities, are pulling the wagon of their own doom.
And finally, "Warmongers"? Name one. Bush? well jeepers mister, didn't they attack us first? it was kind of an important date in American History, you know 9-11? OH your talking about Iraq? And the chase for WMDs? Guess what, they found them. When the Iraqis finally took over governing themselves,
And Just exactly how many Democrats voted for BOTH wars? And How many Democrats, Are still voting to Fund the war in Afghanistan?
No, the best thing you can do, is to sit down, be quiet and let the Grown Ups talk. My teachers always told me "You Have two eyes and two ears, so you can see and hear, twice as much as you can say"
Wow, one picture of Obama skeet shooting? Obama is the most photographed president ever, he simply cannot get his mug in front of the camera often enough. So they release one photo of Obama shooting a shotgun in a pose of someone more likely aiming at a target. Maybe Obama is just a lousy shot, so he finds it easier to shoot skeet stacked up on a table. Clay pigeons are thrown up into the air, and that isn't the direction Obama is shooting.
THERE WERRE NOT WEAPONS IN IRAQ. Bush was an idiot and should have been killed for crimes against humanity.
@Tiffany1#1.86: Maybe not going so far as to have killed Him. Stripping Him down to His drawers and giving Him a good redneck goosing would have been sufficient.
Tiffany, there were WMDs, we sold them to the Iraqis in the 80's and still had the reciepts to prove it. You obviously also paid no attention at all to the UNSCOM report of 2009. But that's ok, keep your head in the sand and repeat the liberal montra in a gregorian chant fassion for all I care....you chose to be ignorant.
Get that info from the Fox, just saying !
Liberals will progress the country the way they always have through common sense, reason/logic and intelligence. The battle against fear and ignorance will always trudge on despite setbacks along the way.
DumbFarmBoy
Facism is far from a economic theory, it is in all forms a political theory that advocates control, and the elimination of opposition groups, which is what the Republican party probably ultimately wants, because of all their talk about "America would be better without those liberals" sounds awfully similar to the Nazi party saying "Germany would be better without those Jews", and i just want to clarify something, i dont support all of the Democrats policys either, but i will choose the Democrats over the Republicans every time dependant on the issue at hand.
And for warmongers, nearly every member of the republican party advocates increased military spending, more military campaigns overseas, and in names, George Bush Jr is a big one, but also John Mccain, Mitt Romney, and up to a dozen others i cant be bothered putting on here
LOL, never mentioned propaganda, but thanks for the definition. I said conspiracy, but hey, they both have an a in the word so I guess you think they are the same. Yes, I did go back and looked at all your posts, that's why I said what I did.
If all you got to do all day is post negativity about the President in a photo skeet shooting, then you got more issues then I can post in here. All I can say is, wow.
Toodles.
OBOZO the CLOWN looks just like that a clown
But.....but.....but.....
"I can't get anything done in the Oval Office (lack of leadership), therefore I WILL GO ON A NATIONAL TOUR to get PUBLIC OPINION on MY GUN CONTROL agenda. I will leave right after the Super Bowl Game and after I say goodby to my Progressive friends....however, some of which will accompany me on my TOUR of how many States now.....57....58....59....no 60."
Tiffany1
Why am I not surprised, to hear at least one liberal spout off something like this just after I post a non-partisan, hell, non American source. You know the people, the Chemical Weapons Convention, who are in charge of the Treaty Governing, you know, uh, WMDs, tells us that Iraq had them, and in sufficient number or quantity. What? Because it wasn't a leading story on this Communist Propaganda site, or in any of the other Leftist MSM? What, you think they are going to publish a story that vindicates Bush, PLEEEAAse.
Also, Bush did nothing without the approval of the Congress, should we also kill all those involved with giving him permission to conduct these illegal acts against Humanity. I am all for it. For it includes just about every Democrat in Washington.
It has been my experience that most liberals seem to suffer from some sort of reading comprehension disability. I think it stems from the same brain damage that causes Liberalism. It is not your fault Tiffany, you were born with a defective brain. To bad you can't sue the manufacturer.
Actually no, it's the Republicans that seem to have a reading dissorder. They still can't understand how they lost to President Obama since fox news and rush told them it was a shoe in for Mitt. LOL, always reading the wrong thing. MSNBC and CNN tried to tell you like it is, but you only read Fox news that has even shut down their comment section so as not to have anyone post a negative agaist their agenda. Too funny! And then you come on here and try to tell us what time it is, well let me tell you, your 15 min are up and time for you to bow out, because Democrats are here to stay buddy.
Pragmatic Brit
First off, are you reading my entire posts? or are you just cherry picking little bits? What part of the Republican Platform suggests more Government Control, as opposed to the Democrats Platform?
And my guess is you have no understanding of the Histories behind these Parties either. Here's a little hint from the past, the Democrats stem from the Federalist Party, those who advocated a strong Central Government, and a group that contained a great many members, including Hamilton, Jay, and Marshall, whom most of their contemporaries of the time thought of them as "Elitists Aristocrats, of same mind set of royal Aristocracy of the Old World, who thought people must be governed, by those of a predisposition to do so, i.e, Royalty" Sound Familiar? [en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federalist_Party] has a nice little summary of it here.
I would also venture a guess you have not been paying much attention to the news either. How many reports have you seen on the MSM, about the "End of the Republican Party"? or "Is the Republican Party still viable?" There is a steady stream of propaganda spewing forth from the MSM to marginalize the Republican Party, so who is "eliminating opposition groups"? And which party is advocating more Government Control? Who passed the ACA? And who is advocating more gun control? The ugly fact is the Democratic Party is advocating Fascism, and you just can't accept it.
As far as "America would be better without those liberals" goes, one needs to remember or understand that today Liberalism is equivalent to Socialism/Communism and no longer stands for what the Original Liberals, the Founding Fathers, stood for. That is: Liberalism is a political philosophy or worldview founded on ideas of liberty and equality. Liberals espouse a wide array of views depending on their understanding of these principles, but generally they support ideas such as free and fair elections, civil rights, freedom of the press, freedom of religion, free trade, and private property. And along with this they also believed in personal responsibility, not being a burden upon society, and moral values. So, yes, "America would be better without those liberals" and just which Republican said this, by the way, so that I may thank them.
AK Sabin
Ever get the feeling you are arguing with idiots? It is truly frustrating is it not?
You show them the facts, to help cure their ignorance, yet they ignore them. Then they have the audacity to claim you are the one who is ignorant. They will then pull some arbitrary "Truth" out of the air to use it to discredit you, even though you show them the fallacy of their argument. So, they revert to calling you names, much like LaPierre, who has been called everything I can think of by these liberals, who wish to have a "reasonable discussion" on "sensible gun control". And the minute you them that it won't work the way they imagine it in their heads, you are a "gun nut" who does not value the lives of little children.
@ brenda1964
OK, then, if you are so good at reading comprehension, tell me what is wrong with this statement.
"It is my Constitutional Right to keep and bear arms".
Sure, see you Republicans can only read half a sentence it seems. If you had read the complete sentence you would see what the true meaning was.
Reading the complete sentence you see that it states "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free state". Are you part of a well regulated Militia? I think not. A bunch of home owners owning guns are not a well regulated Militia, they are a bunch of rednecks with guns shooting at each other and sometimes themselves. Nothing regulated about that.
If you include the second part "The right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." This is correct and in no way should be infringed upon..... Provided you are part of a well regulated Militia, which you are not. Now, when this amendment was created, they had the minute man in mind. These where farmers and such that where part of a well regulated Militia that where called upon at a minutes notice to protect the state. In today's society, we have the police doing just that with the backup of the National Guard.
So there, you have your answer.
@Brenda1964, #1.92...oh well...I tried
DumbFarmBoy......Love your Monikers play on words......In my Opinion you are the opposite!!?...... How well READ are you kind fellow?? Very Knowledgeable man you seem to be. It also seems to be the IGNORANT against the EDUCATED here on this Posting!!!........ Love your comedic demonstrative demur.........I think these Ignorant sheeple need to educate themselves on our History and READ the books that founded this once great nation!!............ To all you people who got your education from the Idiot box called the TV- listen up to those who KNOW and you might learn something useful!!!....... Try READING the following .... "Common Sense"...."The Declaration of Independence"....."The Articles of Confederation" ....."The Federalist Papers"...."The Fundamental orders"....."The Northwest Ordinance"...."The U.S. Constitution"..... "The Bill of Rights"....."To Seduce a Nation"....."Creative Mind".....Read about Past World History of Tyrants and Gun Control.....Wake up you are being CONNED!!!!
Hey BRENDA1964............. You are showing your IGNORANCE.....Ever heard of a COMPLEX Sentence?????.......Wrong Answer!!!!!....Also do your homework the POLICE do not have to Protect you and nor do the NATIONAL GUARD for they work for the Government!!!....... 2nd Amendment Is there to keep our GOVERNMENT from becoming TYRANNICAL!!!!
Hey everyone....... let's put ........ on almost everything........ we say........ to show how ..........EDUCATED.......we are. Oh and make sure when you make an exclamation to do it in doubles like this!! or triple like this!!! It shows how EDUCATED you are. Then MAKE EVERYTHING IN CAPS LIKE YOU ARE YELLING ALL THE TIME........!!! Shows how EDUCATED you are. Don't forget to put 6 question marks down as well like this ?????? so that everyone knows how EDUCATED you are.
Brenda-please try to add something to the debate.Your posts are,to say the least,pointless.
Mac Forrester, if only Barry would admit the same thing for posing for such a silly photo!
"On the Road AGAIN" to push his "GUN CONTROL".
Let's see now......how many States will Mr. Obama visit ? 57....58.....59......no......maybe 60.
I doubt Obama is actually shooting at the clays in this photo. Unless they were flying really, really low. Looks totally staged.
@ brenda1964
#1.100
I am sorry Brenda, it was a trick question. I know, I shouldn't do that to the feeble minded.
First off, the SCOTUS ruled in several cases, most recently 2008 and 2010 that the 2nd is an Individual Right not contingent upon "service" in a militia, even though it is easily demonstrated the just being a US citizen means you are the Militia. So that argument is no longer valid any way, not that it ever was.
NO Brenda, it is a trick question in that, the US and State Constitutions do not grant, guarantee, or other wise give us out Rights. As US Citizens, WE ARE BORN WITH THEM. As in "Endowed by our Creator" (God if you believe that sort of thing, your parents if you do not) these Rights are our Birth Right. And no one can take them away(without due process, and even then prisoners still have rights at least according to you liberals).
I have the Right to LIFE, and I have the responsibility defend myself. (SCOTUS DC v. Warren) Or as in the 5th Amendment, "...nor be deprived of life, liberty or property, without due process of law...". It does not say the Government has a duty to give me life, or a safety net to ensure my life is safe. It says the Government may not DEPRIVE me of life, etc without due process. See, the Constitution "Guarantees" nothing, it is up to us, The People, to defend our Rights and to guarantee that the Government follow the limits set by the Constitution.
{ And yes the line Endowed by our Creator comes from the Declaration of Independence, of which the Articles of Federation and the US Constitution are an extensions of. (First we declare we are independent, then we set down the rules to maintain that independence)}
NO, your reading comprehension comes from the fact that most liberals read the Constitution as the source of our Rights. It is not. The US Constitution creates the Federal Government and places limits on that Government, one of which says, "It may not infringe upon my right to keep and bear Arms", The sad thing is, the government already does this, in several levels, requiring that I get a permit to bear arms in public, that I must pay excessive taxes to won automatic arms.
If you understood history, if you understood how a Republic actually works, we would not be having this conversation.
Can you really blame anyone for wanting a gun? Just read this discussion. There are a lot of angry freaks out there. Just plain nasty.
OK, I posted this set of comments on another site in response to this photo:
1. There is too much smoke, modern smokeless powder only makes that much smoke when you are firing blanks. This also answers the recoil question, if he were firing a blank, there would be too much smoke, and no recoil.
2. The odd puff angling to the right is from a ported barrel, many trap shotguns have ported barrels to reduce the recoil felt by the shooter, HOWEVER, the port angled to the right indicates this shotgun was built for a right handed shooter. Obviously, the President is left handed, so this is NOT his shotgun, it was just borrowed for the photo op.
3. I have shot skeet/trap before, when firing, the shooter sights down the length of the barrel at the clay pigeon, in this photo, it appears the President has his head tucked so low he could not form the proper sight picture, in actuality, it looks like he is just holding on for dear life, and pulling the trigger, hoping it won't hurt too much.
I call this photo complete BS.
Notice the picture doesn't show what he's aiming at?
"…There is, as Obama emphasizes, general agreement in ruling circles that such cuts will be made. The only question—about which there is heated debate—is what mechanism to use and how to disguise, as much as possible, the real significance of the measures now being discussed behind closed doors in the US capital…"
White House zeros in on Medicare
4 February 2013
by Patrick Martin
Both President Obama and a top economic adviser have confirmed that Medicare, the federal program that underwrites the cost of health care for more than 50 million elderly and disabled people in the United States, is a prime target in the budget-cutting negotiations now going on behind the scenes in Washington.
While talks continue on social program cuts that will affect tens of millions and ultimately the majority of the American people, public attention is being diverted to a series of secondary issues, such as prospective gun legislation. There was, for example, enormous media attention given to a photograph of Obama shooting skeet with a shotgun at Camp David, including a protracted debate over when the photograph was taken and whether the president could be said to be a hunter.
The real business of the Democrats and Republicans, however, is laid out in the Saturday radio addresses by Obama and a spokeswoman for the congressional Republicans, both of them calling for substantial cuts in domestic social spending…
…In a passage from the brief address that was not quoted in media accounts, Obama continued, “Already, Republicans and Democrats have worked together to reduce our deficits by $2.5 trillion. That’s a good start. But to get the rest of the way, we need a balanced set of reforms. For example, we need to lower the cost of health care in programs like Medicare that are the biggest drivers of our deficit, without just passing the burden off to seniors.”
The last phrase is typical of Obama speechmaking, and of all the declarations by big business politicians in Washington. First, you signal to your corporate masters what you plan to do, i.e., make drastic cuts in Medicare. Then you reassure the victims of this policy that they aren’t really the target.
In truth, that is exactly what the White House and congressional Democrats and Republicans are planning. They will impose the burden of the fiscal deficit on the backs of the most vulnerable sections of the working class: the elderly, the disabled, young people and the poor…
…Neither Sperling nor any other White House spokesman has spelled out exactly what cuts in Medicare are envisioned. But the failed budget agreement of 2011, reached by Obama and Republican House Speaker John Boehner, gave a glimpse. It called for raising the age of eligibility for Medicare from 65 to 67, which would force millions of retiring workers to pay for private health insurance for those additional years. It also called for increased means testing, a step towards turning Medicare into a welfare program reserved for the poor, like Medicaid, and undermining its universality.
The Washington consensus that entitlement program cuts are unavoidable is justified on the grounds that, as countless big business politicians declare, “There is no money.”
This is the mantra in the richest country on the planet from representatives of a ruling elite that is gorging itself on speculation, profit-gouging and outright swindling. The American financial aristocracy is raking in trillions while begrudging every penny spent on retirement income or health care for working people who have labored all their lives…
http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2013/02/04/pers-f04.html
Brenda,
Read this little piece by grammar experts and when you're done, I'm hoping your reading comprehension is good enough that you will not embarrass yourself by posting the "militia" stuff again:
American Usage and Style: The Consensus. Here's what he has to say:
[Copperud:] "The words 'A well-regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state,' contrary to the interpretation cited in your letter of July 26, 1991, constitutes a present participle, rather than a clause. It is used as an adjective, modifying 'militia,' which is followed by the main clause of the sentence (subject 'the right', verb 'shall'). The right to keep and bear arms is asserted as an essential for maintaining a militia.
"In reply to your numbered questions:
[Schulman:] "(1) Can the sentence be interpreted to grant the right to keep and bear arms solely to 'a well-regulated militia'?"
[Copperud:] "(1) The sentence does not restrict the right to keep and bear arms, nor does it state or imply possession of the right elsewhere or by others than the people; it simply makes a positive statement with respect to a right of the people."
[Schulman:] "(2) Is 'the right of the people to keep and bear arms' granted by the words of the Second Amendment, or does the Second Amendment assume a preexisting right of the people to keep and bear arms, and merely state that such right 'shall not be infringed'?"
[Copperud:] "(2) The right is not granted by the amendment; its existence is assumed. The thrust of the sentence is that the right shall be preserved inviolate for the sake of ensuring a militia."
[Schulman:] "(3) Is the right of the people to keep and bear arms conditioned upon whether or not a well regulated militia, is, in fact necessary to the security of a free State, and if that condition is not existing, is the statement 'the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed' null and void?"
[Copperud:] "(3) No such condition is expressed or implied. The right to keep and bear arms is not said by the amendment to depend on the existence of a militia. No condition is stated or implied as to the relation of the right to keep and bear arms and to the necessity of a well-regulated militia as a requisite to the security of a free state. The right to keep and bear arms is deemed unconditional by the entire sentence."
[Schulman:] "(4) Does the clause 'A well-regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State,' grant a right to the government to place conditions on the 'right of the people to keep and bear arms,' or is such right deemed unconditional by the meaning of the entire sentence?"
[Copperud:] "(4) The right is assumed to exist and to be unconditional, as previously stated. It is invoked here specifically for the sake of the militia."
[Schulman:] "(5) Which of the following does the phrase 'well-regulated militia' mean: 'well-equipped', 'well-organized,' 'well-drilled,' 'well-educated,' or 'subject to regulations of a superior authority'?"
[Copperud:] "(5) The phrase means 'subject to regulations of a superior authority;' this accords with the desire of the writers for civilian control over the military."
[Schulman:] "(6) (If at all possible, I would ask you to take account the changed meanings of words, or usage, since that sentence was written 200 years ago, but not take into account historical interpretations of the intents of the authors, unless those issues can be clearly separated."
[Copperud:] "To the best of my knowledge, there has been no change in the meaning of words or in usage that would affect the meaning of the amendment. If it were written today, it might be put: "Since a well-regulated militia is necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be abridged.'
[Schulman:] "As a 'scientific control' on this analysis, I would also appreciate it if you could compare your analysis of the text of the Second Amendment to the following sentence,
"A well-schooled electorate, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and read Books, shall not be infringed.'
"My questions for the usage analysis of this sentence would be,
"(1) Is the grammatical structure and usage of this sentence and the way the words modify each other, identical to the Second Amendment's sentence?; and
"(2) Could this sentence be interpreted to restrict 'the right of the people to keep and read Books' only to 'a well-educated electorate' — for example, registered voters with a high-school diploma?"
[Copperud:] "(1) Your 'scientific control' sentence precisely parallels the amendment in grammatical structure.
"(2) There is nothing in your sentence that either indicates or implies the possibility of a restricted interpretation."
Professor Copperud had only one additional comment, which he placed in his cover letter: "With well-known human curiosity, I made some speculative efforts to decide how the material might be used, but was unable to reach any conclusion."
Read more here: http://constitution.org/2ll/schol/2amd_grammar.htm
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The conclusion is thus inescapable that the history, concept, and wording of the second amendment to the Constitution of the United States, as well as its interpretation by every major commentator and court in the first half-century after its ratification, indicates that what is protected is an individual right of a private citizen to own and carry firearms in a peaceful manner. - Report of the Subcommittee On The Constitution of the Committee On The Judiciary, United States Senate, 97th Congress, second session (February, 1982), SuDoc# Y4.J 89/2: Ar 5/5
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In recent years it has been suggested that the Second Amendment protects the "collective" right of states to maintain militias, while it does not protect the right of "the people" to keep and bear arms. If anyone entertained this notion in the period during which the Constitution and the Bill of Rights were debated and ratified, it remains one of the most closely guarded secrets of the eighteenth century, for no known writing surviving from the period between 1787 and 1791 states such a thesis. - Stephen P. Halbrook, "That Every Man Be Armed", 1984
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"Historical examination of the right to bear arms, from English antecedents to the drafting of the Second Amendment, bears proof that the right to bear arms has consistently been, and should still be, construed as an individual right." - U.S. District Judge Sam Cummings, in re U.S. vs Emerson (1999).
hs321 - I guess you're mentally challenged or something. That's ok, you still have the right to post anything you want by copy and paste. People without original thought do just that, copy and paste. Regardless, republicans are simply making a fool of themselves by making a big deal about a picture of the President with a weapon in his hands. Is it forged, is it real, why is he aiming so low, too high on the shoulder. OMG, grow up! You lost the election, your stuck with a black man as President for 4 more years and there is nothing you can do about it. Also the fact that he does not have to worry about being elected again means he doesn't have to pander to the likes of you any longer. Sucks to be you.
hs321, what Brenda is actually saying is: "yep, you proved me wrong but I'm so ideologically entrenched up Obama's arse that I won't admit it and I'll revert to the typical liberal position that if you disagree with this president's politics then it can ONLY be because you're a racist!" Sucks to be her because I don't believe she's capable of having any thought or position that's not given to her!!!!
There are several issues with this picture that don't look right. The stance, the side smoke, the placement of the gun at the shoulder. This is obviously not someone who normally shoots a shotgun or any other long gun for that matter. Not too many days ago, even one of the people who is normally in attendance with Obama at Camp David, stated that Obama seemed uncomfortable shooting and left after a short time.
brenda1964
My guess is you are too ignorant or of a sufficiently diminished mental capacity to formulate a cognitive and cohesive argument to refute HS321's position. And you must revert to ad personem or dismissive arguments to satisfy your exaggerated sense of importance, since you seem to fail to fully comprehend what was said. But hey, you're cool, right? You sure told him off.
"your stuck with a black man as President" And Wow, talk about racism! I don't care that he is black. What bothers me is that he is a Communist, and a Racist in Sheeple's Clothing.
Well refute this: (he wrote it in his own book)
You will notice he shunned the politically active White students, even though they too were just as misguided as he was. "To avoid being mistaken for a sellout," as he put it. He sought out Marxist, i.e. Communist, Professors. He makes it sound like it was the late sixties, but this was in the mid '80's. I was in college then, and I never heard of "Structural Feminism", it was women's rights, and by then, they were referred to as "Latino" or "Hispanic" not "Chicanos". And in the '80's, who was worried about being a "sell-out"?
You will notice he called it "WHITE" rule, not "BRITISH" rule.
He was raised in a Communist family, his mother, and grand parents were documented communists. He was mentored by a communist roll model, Frank Davis (This was reportedly sanctioned by his grand father). Also, given the company he keeps, his upbringing and the company that he associated with during his college days, just what type of conversations do you think he had while discussing neocolonialism, Frantz Fanon (a Marxist anti-Imperialist), Euro-Centrism, and patriarchy? Do you think it might have had an anti-imperialism, pro-communist slant to it? Or do you think they were pointing out the errors of Fanon and the strengths of Capitalism? And how do you think "patriarchy" fits in with the "structural Feminist"?
And yes it sucks to be us, because we can see what you can not, what you will not, see. We understand that to continue down this path of "Liberal Utopia", will eventually lead to the loss of liberty.
jwilson1234
Hit the nail on the head with that one. good one
@ AvgJoeTX
Not sure what you mean by "the side smoke"? You mean the smoke coming out of the "ported" barrel, on the top? Of course the fact that there is smoke at all, or at least the amount shown is a tell that something ain't right. Quality shells don't smoke like that. (at least, not in my limited experience)
Like I said in my original post, if they "go shooting all the time" shouldn't they have video of it? Why just one picture?
My guess is, he is a spectator "All the time" except he needed a photo to try and convince the less knowledgeable that he is not in fact an Anti Gun Liberal.
I guess this wasn't on the teleprompter. ;-)
So this is what we've come to? We can't just take his word for it that he's skeet shot before we have to demand proof? What will happen when he decides to talk about personal hygiene or the state of the men's room at an airport? Will we demand proof he showers/bathes? And will we demand pictures of him USING a bathroom? Why is it that no one every takes as fact the words that come out of the black man's mouth? Yeah - we are post racial... NOT
What is really sad is that people like you think that any criticism of Obama is because he is black. YOU are the racist, not I. I pay no attention to the color of his skin.
That's a pretty ignorant statement. It has nothing to do with him being black. It has to do with him being a politician. If you trust everything every politician says at face value, I've got a bridge to sell you. Hit me up on Craig's List.
Also, apparently the photo is staged. I couldn't care less if Obama shoots guns or not, and I hate guns. But I'd rather he was honest.
Take his word for it? Why? From the picture, he obviously has shot a shotgun at least once, but I doubt "all the time". Someone should ask Obama a simple question: Could you give us a quick description of skeet? He was just blowing smoke, as usual.
Skeet is a shooting game with particular rules and stations. Trap, sporting clays, and four-stand are other shotgun games.
How do you know the photo was "staged?"
To some degree the picture doesn't matter. Paranoid conspiracy types will insist it's a fake, or that he's shooting a painting of Jesus. Regarding the race issue, I think it's very unfair to suggest that all disagreements regarding Obama stem from racism, but to suggest that there aren't (too many) people who aren't happy that their president is black is just burying your head in the sand.
Oh please - if Obama wasn't BLACK no one would have said a damn thing about him skeet shooting. Come to think of it, he probably wouldn't also be called a "Muslim" or "Socialist" or even following a "European" style of thinking. Don't you dare tell me that this is NOT about race - that only makes you as much a liar as you proclaim politicians are. Don't tell me I'm a racist either. I didn't vote for him in 2008 but I did this time around. I know what racism is, I'm not part of it. You on the other hand are. The only reason PBO is questioned on these things is because he is black. Period. Just like this "path to citizenship" that he's been talking about THE LAST TWO YEARS is the same thing that the GOP/DEM committee of 8 is now proposing. It's ok now because it's not coming from the POTUS - it's coming from others. Just like the Heritage Foundation and Mitt Romney were the ones who were the architect of "Obama Care" - then denied it because he was not "one of them"... Give me a break - everything that comes out of the GOP or tea baggers mouths is just racism personified.
Angie, you clearly aren't old enough to remember Michael Dukakis. He espoused many of the same policies as Obama and was often criticized the same way. Everyone who disagrees with Obama's policies is not a racist. Frankly, when people want to claim racism as a defense of Obama's policies, it usually shows the policies don't have any merit.
This picture is pretty obviously a staged picture. His aim is almost completely level. Anyone who has ever shot skeet would recognize that this is not a picture of someone engaged in that sport. If it were, the barrel of the shotgun would be at more of an upward angle. To hit a target with the barrel at the angle depicted in this photo he would need to be firing almost simultaneously with the target being released, either that or the targets are being released from a point well below the elevation where he is standing which is not a typical skeet shooting setup. My guess is that this is nothing more than a staged photo to be used in just this kind of situation, where he is asked about ever shooting a weapon.
@Angie Lotto - You are so blatantly racist from your comment that your attempt to deny it is absurd. People that try and make every criticism about Obama out to be about race are the ones who are the real racists. They simply can not accept that people simply do not agree with his failed policies so they call everyone who disagrees with Obama a racist. That in itself demonstrates raging racism on the part of the person making the comment. I have met far more minorities who were racists than I ever have whites who were.
Angie...he's the president. As long as I can remember, anything that any president did, said, etc., became news fodder and critics came out in droves no matter what the issue and some former presidents are still dealing with negative press - including from a historical aspect. A little bit of equity here, please.
JS in SD
Sorry, conspiracy nutter. Here's a couple of photos showing a couple people holding their skeet shooting guns almost completely level. Are they part of the big Obama conspiracy, too, perhaps?
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@Houston - There is a big difference between having the gun level in a ready position and having it level when you pull the trigger. The second shot, the person is clearly shooting from the edge of a cliff, which Obama definitely is not. Try learning a little and comprehending before you post, it saves embarrassing yourself.
Angie, you think you're not racist but you are. I don't think of Obama as my incompetent black President. He is just my incompetent President.
Do you think it may be possible that people see Obama as a Muslim because his father was a Muslim, and then his step-father was a Muslim, he lived for a few years in a Muslim country, and aligns with the Muslims over our allies in Israel? None of those things have anything to do with his skin color.
And as far as people questioning his birth, he chose to resist making his birth certificate public for the longest time. Then produced only a poorly photocopied version of the short form. And Hawaii in 1961 (only two years after statehood) was a haven for people to fake American births. Oh and his father was a foreigner. None of these things are related to his skin color either. So if he was born here (and I am not saying he wasn't) he has done a horrible job in dispelling that myth.
So you may not like to hear it, but you are indeed a racist.
JS in SD
Well, here's a video of John F. Kennedy firing a gun nearly level as well.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/the-white-houses-curious-silence-about-obamas-claim-of-skeet-shooting/2013/01/30/be78bb10-6b35-11e2-95b3-272d604a10a3_blog.html
I don't know why the Washington Post fact checker gave this idiocy any time at all, but he finally concluded Obama's skeet shooting was completely TRUE:
js in sd
How long do you think it took them to glue all the leaves back on the trees?
Your words, not mine.
Let me put my tin foil on, ah, yes that picture of Obomer shooting the shotgun, the background looks like the Benghazi Annex, now the only thing, is deciding whether or not he was shooting at the US Embassy, or the terrorists. Yep, we red state people is smart, we believe in eviluation two!! Now if we could just figure out where them black helicopters are, you know, that them UN boys have we could just go get 'em, even if it would hairlip everybody on Jone's Creek!!
I don't believe ANY politician.
Obama doesn't like guns. He wants to enact restrictions upon law-abiding citizens.
ONE picture of the POTUS awkwardly firing a shotgun doesn't make Obama credible.
Of course you can take Obama at his word. Just like when he said he would not raise taxes on the middle class and along comes ObamaCare. Or when Obama said he would close Gitmo. Or when Obama says he has cut spending. Or when Obama said the healthcare debate would be televised on CSPAN. Or when Obama said he would have the most transparent administration ever. Or when Obama says everything that has gone wrong during his presidency is the fault of someone else. Now he shoots skeet, "all the time," and yet he releases a photo of someone that is certainly not shooting in the direction skeet are thrown. Yeah, Obama is definitely a man of his word, so long as you take it with a grain of salt.
WWE NEED GUN RESTRICTIONS. You don't need assault rifles those are not weapons for civilians anyone advocating for civilians owning them to fight the government should be labeled a terrorist and hunted down as a threat to all of us.
The white house had to release the pictures to quiet the haters. Now it will be spun into a conspiracy from the right-wing. There is absolutely nothing Obama can do or say that the bottom feeding righties wont try to discredit.
BO has never shot skeet. Skeet requires that the competitor shoot at 25 targets in a particular order. BO has just shot a shotgun. BO's knowledge of skeet is as lame as his pronunciation of corpse-man. The man is a complete phony.
steven b, no one is saying to trust politicians but next time can we have the distrust over something that is, i don't know, actually important unlike this distrust over whether he shoots skeet or whether he does it enough to use the words "all the time"?
Who cares. He's a politician to the nth degree. They obviously put this picture out to portray him as a man that doesn't hate guns but wants to install tighter restrictions...a man of all the people...a reasonable man. That's how it works. They play us like fiddles. Some are better than others.
And he was registered in a competition? Where exactly in the article did you read that? You sir are an idiot! I've shot skeet dozens of times off duty while serving in the military and never entered a competition. In fact we could check out the thrower and clay pigeons from the base. Much better than a competition...you can drink more beer.
Now the wackos will say it's not really the president.
Its possible, look at this art work and tell me that photo- shop can you believe anything seen on the Internet?
michellesmirror.com/2013/02/skeeter-obama-on-unicorn-hunt-at-camp.html
there's no point trying with republicans. they could have been at the site when the picture was taken and they'd say he wasn't shooting skeet and give reasoning like he didn't hit the skeet so he was shooting air. the real question is, who gives a @#$% if he shoots or not and why did republicans make such a fuss over getting a picture of him doing it when they weren't going to believe it in thefirst place just like they still don't believe his birth certificate or ANYTHING he says? ignore them from now on, paying them attention doesn't do any good.
Reality check - shots fired during skeet shooting are at an upward angle. The shot in the photo is at a level, horizonatal angle. Therefore, this is obviously a shot made at a target positioned at some point above the ground on a fixed frame. So this is not a skeet shooting photo. Someone is obviously trying to pull a fast one on the people who are not educated about guns.
Who gives a crap. Where is the work on the economy and jobs you promised.
the nutjobs in your party cared and even complained that he hadn't released any pics of him shooting.
Waiting for the Republican House to get off their asses and pass jobs bills instead of American Taliban anti-birth control legislation, and defining legitimate rape and marriage.
It's a BB Gun and has a red tip at the end, not even funny to release this with the propose gun legislation. Bet Obama would not have gone there before an election.........
You, Sir, are an idiot. That tip is called a Choke, and screws into the muzzle of the shotgun to control the tightness of the pattern of the shot. As you can see if you took the time to look halfway carefully, you would find that the CHOKE in hte picture is either Steel or Brass (neither of which are materials that are traditionally red), which is the usual material for Chokes. (the bottom barrel lacks one because you only need a single barrel for skeet, having two just streamlines things for shooting doubles in trap).
Now, I'm not denying the picture is staged, that's something presidents do all the time, and will continue to do so for the forseeable future, but it's also possible that the twitter post was made by a man who wasnt familiar with shooting sports; It is entirely possible that Obama is shooting trap, rather than skeet, which launches the clay at a far lower angle of attack* than Skeet. (Also Skeet blows, Trapshoting is way better.)
And, no, I'm not defending Obama, I'm being a Devil's advocate. I have no party alignment save for ratonal anarchy. I did not vote, as both candidates we bad decisions in their own right.
*Angle of Attack; AOA; the reference line between the angle of an airfoil (the clay, which in this case is a circular wing) and the direction of airflow (or level ground at low enough altitude.)
Looks like Obama needs to save face after his highly unpopular gun control power grab. Such a phony President.
Its not unpopular at all, and there is no grab. Read a bit!
no, obama had to answer the bat @#$% carazy people in your party who made such a big stink over him not releasing a photo of him shooting previously. if you could get your party to shut their mouths about stupid crap we might get more work done.
This guy is NO gun enthusiast, just a poser.
I did not see the quote where he claimed to be an "enthusiast". He said that he had shot skeet at Camp David and that he respected the traditions of gun ownership.
so? Gun enthuasists scare me why do they want guns if not to murder other humans?
One gun picture does not a marksman make !
This cretin is a made up man.
He has never answered a question truthfully in his life !
There is no reason to believe that he can be expected to be truthful about anything related to him.
He has never had credibility let alone Citizenship!
Just wondering:
Would a guns shop in Texas sell a weapon to an African American?
Would a guns shop in Georgia sell a weapon to an Indian?
Would a guns shop in Florida sell a weapon to a shikh?
Would a gun shop in Alabama sell a weapon to a Muslim?
Would a grocery store in Atlanta sell food to a white foodstamper?
Yep, LOL tracon.........
Demand -
Yes, they would, as long as they meet the requirement of being a non-felon and a citizen.
DemandSide:: What exactly do you envision as a problem in FL vs a shikh??? enlighten us.
Or are we just getting racist spew again??? Thankyou for reminding us yet again. That you , for reminding us, you do not have to be white to be a racist
Hey, Houston, that video you link shows both skeet and trap. The shots with the gun in the position close to Obama's were on the trap range, not the skeet range. Different games--on the trap range the target is thrown out of a hole in the ground, on the skeet range it is thrown from a tower. Oops?
Hey, Fellow fellow shooters, enthusiasts and all of those even mildly interested in the recent Camp David "shotgun flap" : I have been shooting shotguns (12, 20 and 410) since 1961. I have fired in excess of 30,000 shells in that time, and as a result, I have drawn some conclusions about the "official" presidential photograph. First, President Obama does not seem to be squeezing the trigger as of yet. His finger appears not to have met the trigger pull weight (likely 4.5 to 5.5 lbs.) and there seems to be NO TENSION in his forearm either. Nevertheless, firing has somehow occurred. But ... if the gun actually has fired, why is there NO RECOIL ? At the height the butt stock is being held "ON" the shoulder, the recoil would spin anyone built any slighter than Charles Barkley, rapidly to the left and in the direction of the camera station. Speaking of the camera, just what instrument was used to capture the photo anyway ? It must be either a very fast movie camera, or the photograph was taken at the VERY INSTANT of firing (doubtful when you consider my above observations and conclusions) or the photo has been somehow compromised (photo shopped). Lastly, in all of my shooting experience, I have NEVER observed such a discharge of smoke from any of my shotguns --- EVER. I would be very interested in the load(s) President Obama was using. Input from any other enthusiasts would be greatly appreciated regardless of the viewpoint.
Those nut cased conservatives daring to question President Obama, we have you caught on video.
CNN's Erin Burnett: Obama May Be Making Up Skeet-Shooting at Camp David
www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=35tX6W-CHA8
Obama's got a Gun!
And so do the other Presidents.
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2272417/Obama-gets-gun-White-House-releases-photo-President-skeet-shooting-attempt-silence-gun-lobby-critics.html
Some may prefer,,,,,, Photochoped, depending on which side your on.
obama should just come out and say he's trying to destroy america and take your guns away. since you don't believe ANYTHING he says you'd have to start saying he's not trying to do those things.
I get the smoke coming out of the muzzle of the top barrel, but what is the smoke coming out of the side of it? I think this shot hurt.
Definately a photoshop thing there. That gun has a ported barrel... but smoke should be from both sides of the barrel........it decreases muzzle jump and kick......and makes for a more accurate second shot....
Could that determine that it is an "assault shotgun" maybe???
Its one of those new Eco friendly "Green" Shot Guns. Had to be a 200 million federal grant somewhere for the development of it.
It's a ported barrel, part of the muzzle blast is redirected to help reduce the amount the muzzle rise. Muzzle compensators are among the items that Dianne Feinstein feels are too dangerous for us civilians to possess BTW.
I get the ported barrel concept, but it appears to have a single port on only one side. It was no doubt a custom built gun designed to compensate specifically for his shooting style. Or the other port is blocked, either way an odd picture.
Something is still not right... zoom in and you clearly see the ports on the side facing the viewer.... my bet is they photoshoped it out for some reason..... you know those feisty photo editors.... always changing something to make it appear more dramatic.... to suit their needs...
Paul-Otherwise known as NBC!
I don't get it. Why photoshop anything? It's significantly less effort to give the guy a shotgun and take a picture of him shooting it.
Wow! How fast they provided proof on this one.... but years for a birth certificate (that uses a racial term not in existence for a couple decades)........
He doesn't look too comfortable shooting it either... and a little low for skeet.......
But the point really is......... does it matter that he likes shooting skeet? Who cares. He needs to get his ass of the golf course, the shooting range, away from the dinner table.... whatever and do SOMETHING to get the economy back on track, get the borders secure and LOWER the damn debt..............oh yes... a budget would be nice too sir..........you know... that thing that sets what and where you will spend money???????? That hasn't been done for a while????????
You notice he is not holding the shotgun properly. It is sitting too high in the pocket. His face is too snug on the butt
Ah...you think it was photo-shopped?
Stone-It is NBC also known as Edit University
No it is not...it was released by the White House.
...to NBC, long known for doctoring photos and news reports:
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/matthew-sheffield/2012/04/06/breaking-nbc-fires-producer-who-created-false-zimmerman-audio
http://www.examiner.com/article/msnbc-caught-faking-video-of-sandy-hook-father-being-heckled
Not really Jesse. The "comb" of the stock is pretty straight.
I think the picture is photo-shopped. Or that gun needs some repair.
So? Does he bowl, too? How about basketball, baseball, hockey? It's a sport. They're all sports. With the way this country worships sports, it should be no problem for 99.9% of the population.
Before someone pipes up and says something like, "Well, football doesn't hurt anyone." Let me say, "Yeah, right." Before someone else shoots their mouth off and says, "Shooting guns isn't a sport." Answer: Shooting skeet is. Target shooting is. Shooting is even part of the Olympics. Yes, it is a sport, that's why hunters are called 'sportsmen' or 'sportswomen.'
Just a question, is the president any good at his target shooting, just wondering? I'm terrible at shooting skeet, it's very difficult for some of us. I track well, but I have difficulty leading.
It shouldn't be shooting should be taken out of the olympics. We should not be worshipping guns but doing our best to eliminate them entirley .
Interesting artcle. 1) You don't shoot skeet with a rifle as stated in the artice as a quote. 2) President Obama is standing in the classic 'rifleman' stance. Skeet shooters face the target area squarely, not in profile. While he may be shooting skeet here. It is obvious to anyone who shoots a shotgun on a sporting clays, trap or skeet range, that the President is not a regular. Or, he has a really bad coach.
I would suspect his first experience was at Camp David, after being elected President and there, at least, the "rules" may be whatever he wants them to be...without worrying about a Congressional majority.
Remember, he spends most of his time surrounded by people, whom I would assume, shoot a variety of weapons pretty well.
@stone6: According to the gun nuts His stance is totally wrong for a true gunnie. Doesn't reflect the true Killer instinct. None of the gun nuts will accept anyone's gunnieness to be superior to their own.
I would imagine that this picture was provided for the press release. It is a very posed picture. It's hard to say what information was provided with the picture. It may have said target shooting, shooting skeet, shooting at lightning bugs, I don't know. It's a shotgun in the pic currently up, but he may have been shooting a rifle earlier. (MSNBC changes the text and pics all the time.) It was obviously taken during a warm turn of weather, probably in the summer.
I didn't realize that Obama was a southpaw until I saw this picture. I kept thinking, it looks funny. Then it dawned on me--lefty. Glad to see he wears ear and eye protection, too. Safety first.
A coach for shooting? Eh, theres a sucker born ev'ry minute I guess. I figure he's probably just never been shown the right way. How're you supposed to know hte right way if you've never seen it?
With all that is going on, this is news?
yes, image is everything. mostly with the gun debate going on. put one and one together.
Skeet hell! He was rocksalting a running redneck republican in the butt! You just couldn't see the whole photo.
I wish he had not done this. He owes the NRA embiciles nothing.
Says a liberal imbecile... (notice that I spelled the word correctly, look it up)
Just because you don't believe in freedom and the responsibility that comes with that freedom, it does not make those you do not agree with imbeciles.
no, but arguing over whether he ever shot, demanding pictures and then saying they were staged, faked, or not enough proof does make the people i don't agree with imbeciles.
It is a cloudy day, those safety sun glass's he is wearing are so tinted I am suprised he can see the target.
saturday night live will be having all kinds of fun with this story.
Well known fact that Nancy Pelosi "photoshops", I would assume likewise that her fellow leftist, or his staff, did likewise.
Who is "Skeet?"
Look Skeeter had what was coming to him.
No doubt. Maybe a cardboard pop-up picture of Wayne "Skeeter" LaPierre, with an AR-15.
A decade or two ago, those on the lower end of the bell-shaped curve were intelligent enough to realize their gifts and limits and learn from those on the upper end of the bell-shaped curve. Somehow, being intellectually challenged came into vogue--witness Palin, LaPierre, Bachman, so may posters here.
The problem of course is intelligence or lack of it is so evident from spoken or written comments. The novelty and politeness of the more astute is wearing off, just as ignoring a screaming baby on an airplane wears off over time.
The Tea Party is predictably fading. Perhaps many of you who feel threatened by an extremely intellectually capable president can either learn to appreciate our good fortune having him as president or at least recognize your respective limits.
you need help!!!!!
The beauty of a bell curve is that it has two ends. Typically the upper end has the highest point value. The lower end has the lowest point value. Given your example of a bell curve, and the people mentioned on the upper end of the curve, they are the most intelligent, while the liberal types would be on the lower end of the bell curve.
At present, my job is in danger due to the economic downturn that has not recovered despite his misguided efforts to do so. His stimulus packages were a farce that has only deepened our debt. He would have been better off giving each and every LEGAL citizen $10,000, tax free, and let them spend it as they wished. That would have stimulated the economy through spending. People don't buy if they don't have the money to do it with. He's not the only one to blame for this but he stepped up and made statements that he can't support.
Hey GOP lackeys:
Where's the photo or Ryan finishing his "two hour and fifty-something" marathon?
The President is honest. GOP lackey's lie so much they forget their own lies.
That's another reason why you lose.
we will see wont we challenged one
You are right Jumkfry.... we have lost:
Our credit rating
Our future to: China, overwhelming debt, unsustainable entitlement programs
Our space program
Our freedom of medical choice
Our security---- now that we are giving away citizenship......
Millions of dollars to failed businesses (Solyndra)
Millions of dollars to now "successfull" businesses that will not repay the debt (Chrysler and GM)
Shall I go on??????
Curious...how is it that the GOP always lose ?....Lets see....They just won the House back....They won by a Landslide in 2010....They have made more political gain than the Dems in the last two years..Maybe you have been reading too much MSNBC lately? That's what happens when you read too much of an extreme Left Media outlet..It distorts reality..
mike-Pa
And what have you been reading these past couple of years? The republicans have lost a crap ton of political power and respect following the 2012 election, they are barely holding a majority in the House, and if they dont buck up and fix themselves up (mainly by kicking the radicals out of their party) then they'll lose the house as well come the 2014 elections
"Crap Ton" ....Yes that is is very Left Opinion... The facts are what they are....Barely Holding the House and Lost Political Power......Another Opinion......Facts show differently...Again ...when you read such a "Left Leaning " media outlet...it distorts reality. Reality is exactly my post as it reads... Those are facts. Facts cant be changed by the way that you feel.
BTW ...Increase in Unemployment
The Economy basically Receded in the past Quarter......and your opinion is "Crap Ton"...Really?
Please show me how it is "All good for the Democrats"....
Aren't you the same people that want to award a person for admitting the Death's of Four Americans is her fault..
Your response ..."Way to go Hilary"..."Great Job!"..."You should be President!."Yes ...when you take full responsibility...it means it is your fault.........and we do not have Respect?
Get your nose out MSNBC and NBC ...and read another News source...you might be a little enlightened.
233 Republican ....200 Democratic....hardly just holding on...
So, Amused, where do you think he is going with this. Kinda comical, actually. Reminds me of Michael Dukakis sitting in the turret of a tank. He's holding it too high on his shoulder. Do that more than once and enjoy a week treating the bruise. Like Big Paw says, really bad coaching. Of course, ALL his acquaintances are experienced gun owners, back in South Chicago. And I agree with CIT. Can't wait to see the SNL skit.
Shhhh! You weren't supposed to point that out.
I always knew that Owe Bama wanted to "be like Mike".
I wondered how long it would take for some "expert" to start critiquing the president's hold, stance and even his demeanor with a shotgun.
What's comical is the level of denial right wingnuts will summon to fight facts. Romney prevaricated, Boehner prevaricates and Limbaugh bloviates while prevaricating. It's the national pastime of conservative America.
@Sir Nikon#25.3: Agree with you. Right Wingers lie like a Preacher with the clap, loose in a whorehouse.
And MSNBC gets caught lying and doctoring videos almost on a weekly basis now. Did they produce this one. After all, they have become basically state media. What a shame. The president might want to elevate that shotgun muzzle. Is he shooting at a clay bird or Dick Cheney ?? LOL