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Subscribe to RSSUpdated at 5:53 p.m. ET – Former Sen. Chuck Hagel, President Barack Obama’s choice to be secretary of defense, finished a day-long marathon confirmation hearing before the Senate Armed Services Committee Thursday, enduring nearly eight hours of testy and skeptical questions from Republicans.
At the start of Thursday’s hearing, it seemed nearly certain that the Senate would vote to confirm Hagel. But the nominee labored at certain points during the day to clarify and explain his comments. Whether his occasional stumbles were serious enough to jeopardize his confirmation was not clear by the end of the testimony.
There are 55 senators in the Democratic caucus and 45 Senate Republicans, so if there’s no filibuster, Hagel would seem assured of confirmation. The last time the Senate rejected a Cabinet nominee was in 1989 when there was a Republican president and a Democratic-controlled Senate.
Republican senators confronted Hagel with quotations from statements he had made months or years ago – and sometimes he apologized for them or amended them.
Late in the day Sen. Mike Lee, R- Utah, asked Hagel whether he’d said in 2003 that Israel keeps Palestinians “caged up like animals” and whether he still believes that.
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“Like many things I’ve said, I would like to go back and change the words and the meaning,” Hagel told Lee. “If I had a chance to go back and edit it, I would. I regret that I used those words.”
But he said he’d made his statement “in a larger context … (addressing) the frustration in what’s happening (in Israel) which is not in Israel’s interest” and mentioned the need “to find ways that we can help bring peace and security to Israel.”
Quizzed by both Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand, D-N.Y., and Sen. David Vitter, R- La., on a statement he’d made calling the Iranian government a “legitimate” one, Hagel said, “I should have said ‘recognized’ instead of ‘legitimate.’”
Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., grills Secretary of Defense nominee Sen. Chuck Hagel, R-Neb., on his opposition to the 2007 troop surge in Iraq.
At one point he told Sen. Saxby Chambliss, R- Ga., regarding U.S. policy toward Iran’s efforts to build nuclear weapons: “I’ve just been handed a note that I misspoke and said I supported the president’s position on ‘containment.’ If I said that, I meant to say that obviously – his position on containment – we don’t have a position on containment.”
Hagel then said, “I’ve had more attention paid to my words in the last eight weeks than I ever thought possible.”
This prompted Armed Services Committee chairman Sen. Carl Levin, D- Mich., to intervene, “Just to make sure your correction is clear, we do have a position on containment – which is we do not favor containment.” Hagel quickly concurred with Levin’s statement.
Hagel told the panel in his opening remarks that he is “fully committed to the president's goal of preventing Iran from obtaining a nuclear weapon,” and that “all options must be on the table to achieve that goal. My policy is one of prevention, and not one of containment and the President has made clear that is the policy of our government.”
At another point, Hagel, explaining his criticism quoted in a 2008 book by Aaron David Miller, of “the Jewish lobby” and his allegation that “it intimidates a lot of people” in Congress – comments for which Hagel has apologized – said he ought to not have used the word “intimidates.”
“I should have used ‘influence,’” he said.
Later, Sen. Lindsey Graham, R- S.C., challenged Hagel to “name one dumb thing we’ve been goaded into doing” by the pro-Israel lobby or to identify one member of Congress whom the pro-Israel lobby had intimidated. Hagel said, “I didn't have in mind a single person," and did not identify any policy the U.S. government had been goaded into.
Sen. Ted Cruz, R-Texas, played Hagel a recording of an interview Hagel did in 2009 with an al Jazeera program. A listener submitted a question asking about “the image of the United States is that of the world’s bully” and whether the United States needed “to change the perception and the reality” before asking other nations to reduce their arsenals. In that 2009 program Hagel began his reply by saying, “Her observation is a good one … .”
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When Cruz asked Hagel to explain this reply, he said Thursday, “I think my comment was it was a relevant and good observation. I don’t think I said that I agree with it.”
Early in the testimony, the Iraq war and President George W. Bush’s 2007 surge of U.S. troops into Iraq became the heated focus of the hearing.
Sen. John McCain, R- Ariz., repeatedly pressed Hagel, a fellow Vietnam War veteran, on whether he had been right or wrong to say that the 2007 surge was “the most dangerous foreign policy blunder since Vietnam.”
When McCain angrily said “Will you please answer the question?” Hagel told McCain “I’m not going to give you a yes or no answer … I’ll defer that judgment to history.”
When McCain shot back that Hagel had been wrong about the surge, Hagel said his “most dangerous blunder” comment had been “not just about the 2007 surge but the overall war of choice going into Iraq” in 2003.
As a senator, Hagel voted for the congressional resolution authorizing Bush to invade Iraq, but later turned critical of Bush’s conduct of the operation.
Other Republicans on the committee repeatedly pressed Hagel on his support for endorsement of Global Zero, the movement calling for abolition of nuclear weapons by 2030.
Hagel served on the Global Zero U.S. Nuclear Policy Commission which issued a report last May calling for an 80 percent reduction in the U.S. nuclear arsenal.
Hagel told ranking Republican committee member Sen. Jim Inhofe of Oklahoma that his position “has never been unilateral disarmament.”
Kevin Lamarque / Reuters
Former Senator Chuck Hagel, R-Neb., testifies during a Senate Armed Services Committee hearing on his nomination to be Defense Secretary, on Capitol Hill, Jan. 31, 2013.
And he said the Global Zero report was discussing “illustrative possibilities” and “scenarios” and wasn’t urging specific policies.
But last May’s Global Zero report, which Hagel signed on to, says that a drastically smaller U.S. arsenal could be negotiated bilaterally with Russia – “or implemented unilaterally.”
In his opening statement Hagel pledged that he would maintain an effective nuclear arsenal. “America's nuclear deterrent over the last 65 years has played a central role in ensuring global security and the avoidance of a World War III. I am committed to modernizing our nuclear arsenal,” he said.
Hagel, who was seriously wounded while serving as an Army infantryman in Vietnam, was a Republican senator from Nebraska from 1997 to 2009 but did not support Republican presidential candidates McCain in 2008 or Mitt Romney last year.
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When did "advise and consent" turn into these political/media side shows of nonsense? We really are becoming a nation of the ridiculous.
We have a nation where the stated platform of one major political party is the suppression and eventual destruction of the government ("small enough to drown in a bathtub" are the exact words.)
You don't get more ridiculous than that. Nowhere else in the world will you find a government that wants to destroy itself.
As a very right wing conservative I definetly support Hagel the peacenik senator,time to stop all this war nonsense!
The Middle East is just a huge cesspool of hatred and religious nonsense,Israel can handle the Muslims without American forces as long as we provide the tools.
Watch the traitors who will try to torpedo Hagel's nomination to benefit Israel and military industrial complex.
And yet Byron, you want a Government big enough to take away all your rights and freedoms and make you completely dependent upon the government to be able to live? Is that right?
Byron,
I don't think they want a small government at all. They want a poorly funded government, and limited governance of corporations and billionaires. The rest of the time they want a huge DOD, to invade the bodies of women, to teach their religions in school, limit voting rights, spy on their citizens, tell people they can't contract with each other because of gender, mass deportations and a wall built around our borders.
They just don't like to help poor people or pay taxes.
Byron Raum
Exactly, Most governments want to bloat themselves until they self-destruct through no desire of those in charge.
Roger
How about some solid proof of that. Nobody wants to take your freedoms away from you or anybody else. Nobody is trying to make you or anybody else dependent on the government.
Prove what you say and how today is any different then when we had a Republican President. People like you are incredibly predictable and sad.
Come on, prove it!
Sarah-3043284
You understand that nearly 50% of the country don't pay any taxes right? And have you somehow forgotten that is a fact ONLY because many of those "poor" people got massive tax breaks from the republicans right? If they care so little about poor people why did they cut so many of their taxes to ZERO??
Sorry, but the gentalization of both parties by the member of the other is BS and is a main reason our country is so divided. People just look for the "R" or the "D" as if that is all that matters. This story is a perfect example, only memebers of the opposition party question a nomination, does anyone actually believe that's a good thing? If he's on "our side" we'll support him even if he is the anti-Christ and if he is on "their side" we'll attack him even if he is the re-incarnation of Jesus.
No, that's not @!$%#ed up at all. /sarc
As far as appeasement goes, history has judged the effectiveness of that failed policy, unless we have forgotten about Adolph Hitler.
History will also judge the Obama presidency and I suspect it won't be kind.
After watching McCain's performance today there is no doubt in my mind that we elected the right person to the presidency. According to McCain, if you don't agree with his positions, then you don't qualify to be in government. His ridiculous yes, or no response to the question of whether ,or not, the surge was required in Iraq is similar to asking a yes or no response to the question of "have you stopped beating your wife" if you answer yes, then at some point you were beating her, if you answer no, then you're still beating her.
dartatak:
We don't have to wait for history to judge Obama's plss-poor performance.....the GDP growth for the 4th quarter of 2012 was negative....one more quarter like that, and we're officially back into recession. 'Nuff said!
Actually, backcountry, about 48-49% do not pay any federal taxes. They are paying taxes on the state and local level. Did you not read the article? Democrat Carl Levin had brought statements made by Hagel that he took issue with.
While I respect McCain's service in the Vietnam war, I think he sucks as a politician. It's time for this guy to take a note from Lieberman and retire.
By the way, how is it that McCain get a 100% disability VA check (almost $3,000 a month tax free) and yet has the ability to hike the Grand Canyon every year?
Just asking..
I would like to know why the official press in Iran praise nice words to Hagel.
http://bigstory.ap.org/article/iran-says-its-hopeful-hagel-nomination
Backcountry,
That 47%-50% also include senior citizens, veterans and people on assistance. You know, the "poors". Now let's look at who ELSE doesn't pay taxes, that you don't seem to mind at all...
http://www.progress.org/banneker/cw.html
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/news/corporate-welfare
http://www.welfareinfo.org/corporate/
They have a LOT more money to pay into the system than old folks, vets and poor people. Where's the outrage for that. After all, corporations have recorded record profits over the past ten years, while wages have stayed stagnate and job growth has been all but non-existent.
Furthermore, I'm all for being non-partisan, I'd love to have a rational sane GOP back. However, the party's been hijacked, so I stand by my original post. As soon as the sane Republicans stand up to the asinine far right commentators and fringe members, sorry, but them's the breaks, and a spade's a spade.
Yankee Boy, you are so right. McCain used to deserve respect. No more.
His questioning of Hagel is absurd – ugly, self-serving, and, one veteran to another, disgustingly disrespectful.
I hope Hagel gives it as good as he gets at this hearing today – just like Hillary Clinton did.
During last week's Clinton appearance, Rand Paul called Benghazi the biggest disaster since 9/11. He couldn't wait to show his fangs. That tells you all you need to know about the complete lack of perspective these idiots have.
Stand your ground, Chuck. There is more to US honor and foreign policy than falling in lock step with trigger happy warriors and angry old men like John McCain. Their time is over, and thank God.
The fact that the Republicans have turned on "one of their own" essentially only of the fact that he was nominated by Obama merely shows the depravity and partisanship of their party.
As an outgoing Senator, it was nothing but praise from his own party. Now Obama's endorses him and we get a chorus of "I don't know," and "I need to reexamine," and "I'm not so certain."
It's laughably transparent, and the American public by and large sees through the bull@!$%#.
{That being said, any nominee should be grilled by both parties to properly judge whether they're fit to serve in that position. But the posturing by Republicans is not about that, it's about political football, and it's pretty obvious.}
Dennis Price,
I will answer that for you all other presidents when giving speech talk about the American vision.
But this Dictator in office now in all his speeches or most he says his vision, my vision not the American vision. and if you listen to his DEM comrades they say Obama's vision.
So to me it is all about him and not the country...
And to prove that the 1st thing he should be doing and nothing else is jobs this should be no. 1.
But is it no because he don't care he wants us poor and helpless proof gun control.
I hope this answered your question.
LOL, John McCain asks question about Iran? Maybe McCain is worried he won't be walking the earth to sing "Bomb, Bomb, Bomb Iran". McCain should worry he like the dinosaur is extinct.
I don't know about you, but I'm pretty sure POTUS is a job that involves multitasking.
Sarah-3043284
I'm aware of that Sarah that's why I said "because MANY of those" ...
??? You mentioned poor people, you didn't say anything about corporations. Sorry for making a response to what you had actually said and not going off on a tangent.
Then I assume you'll have nothing to say when some republican comes along and accuses all liberals of being socialist extremists. Or have you somehow failed to notice that the democratic party is also being overtaken by the fringe at the far end? If you doubt that please refresh your memory by reviewing the speakers at the Dem convention. Comparing the people chosen to represent their parties at the conventions you'd hardy say it is the republicans who are the most extreme.
I stand on the outside so it is easy for me to see the extremists on both sides. People from within, such as yourself, have to look hard to see the problems on their own side. I wonder if you bother to try, most don't.
Good grief! Let's all bring up decisions that were made 13 years ago and make them relevant for our own pathetic agenda.
SteveC - great post at 1.10!
To Phil at #1.2,
As a far left liberal, I agree with you on Hagel (if we can do this, why can't the Senate)?
In watching his testimony, if the Republicans on this committee were smarter, say Eisenhower smart, they would realize the President Obama is handing Hagle a strong shot at the 2016 Nomination, and possibly the Presidency. He might even get my vote!
Sarah,
That is the problem he can't do one thing let alone multitasking things.
Reading these liberal posts,makes it easy to understand how easy it is to fool some of the people,all of the time.Question;why does FEMA need millions of rounds of ammunition,military armored vehicles,military trained and armed disaster relief workers?Oh,I guess they expect resistance from the ungratful people they are supposed to help.
gman61
I am aware of that and I apologize for not clarifying that fact which I usually do. However, in the context of my comments, it should have been assumed that I was talking about Federal taxes so I don't feel like I've mislead anyone.
If anyone is able to see a snow job when being presented with one it should be the Senators involved in questioning Hagel. The whole bunch of them , including Hagel, are incapable of sticking to core principles, because they have none. Just another dog and pony show.
Sarah-3043284
True but it also involves delegating, let us know when that happens. Hagel is proof of Obama's deficiency in this regard. Just another "yes man".
Back Country
Why do we have to keep explaining this to you? Are you so backwards and ignorant that you don't get that though those folks don't pay Federal Taxes they pay state and local, sales and every other tax. They comprise a snapshot of the American people.
You keep repeating the same lie hoping somebody besides your fellow bottom dwellers will believe you. Thanks, but no thanks.
You are so typical of the cons, love America, hate Americans.
Providing tools to who. We are providing the tools to the wrong country, Egipt and the Islamic Brotherhood another Theocratic Islamic regime who is moving backwards , imposing draconian laws to suppress freedom to their own people , a Government that call monkey to their neiborg , they will receive from orders of the Obama administration , figthterr jets f-16 , I guess this will help Israel to handle the Muslims.
In the real world, one seldom seeks the advice and consent of someone known to be pouting , whiny, lazy, sore-loser do-nothings... Their advice is always crap and their consent always irrelevent.
In the real world we seek the advice and consent of trusted colleagues dedicated to working toward a common goal. If the goal is the destruction of the person seeking advice and consent... Well then clearly the only logical conclusion is that the wrong people occupy the right place. "Users, Boozers, and Losers" as Jerry Blank from Strangers with Candy so aptly put it.
Solidarity with Israel, you mean Israels bitch. It is because of the Jewish Lobby and the disproportionate power they have over the media and finance that puts the politicians on their leash at the expense of the United States. Why do we, the majority, tolerate this treason? Look up the Rothschild's and how they took control of governments with the help of willing "leaders" throughout history. These are facts that I am sure will be called antisemitism, typical smokes screen for the masses to eat up. How can the wealthiest group in society be a victim? "If you wish to know who rules over you learn who you are not allowed to criticize". Voltaire.
I agree Backcountry164, both parties have been taken over the extreme elements and what is really disheartening is people in this country are picking sides rather then discussing the issues in a sane, rational and objective manner. Just look at these boards, It's mostly either, or, not middle of the road. I long for the day when Democrats and Republicans worked for the good of the country rather then their party's extreme fringe group.
I think John McCain is jealous that he wasn't offered that job. McCain is also a Vietnam Vet and a Republican, so he's probably thinking, "Why Hagel, and not Me"?
Hagel sounds to me like he didn't appreciate George "Curveball" Bush lying him into voting for war in Iraq. Actually, I like where Hagel is coming from.
Anytime the GOP hates somebody, that means the person is honest, and the GOP hates honesty.
I accept Hagel's explanation for the "surge being the biggest blunder" If you look at the war in its entirety it truely was the biggest blunder. An unwarranted war, rushed into because the NSA and VP had mushroom cloud dreams. After that the jingoistic celebratory mood began amongst the chicken hawks "Shock and Awe" that the media played for us night after night. Hagel as a wounded warrior will be a good fit to know how the common soldier fares in war. I trust him to speak against stupid, unnecessary wars like he learned to do about Iraq.
As an aside, the surge was only partially successful for the eventual success in Iraq. If not for the uprising by the indiginous, against the brutal terror campaigns of Al Qaida in Iraq, 30,000 extra US soldier would not have mattered. Not to take anything away from our soldiers but 30,000 extra troops in a country of millions is a drop in the bucket. In Iraqi eyes Al Qaida oversteped their attacks against civilians, even the Iraqi shia groups who hated the US learned to hate Al Qaide more. Even the Sunni minority thought the predominantly Sunni AQI overstepped and it is why they fought back. With less support from the people the terrorist crushed their chance of being a populist insurgent movement. It really had more to do with that than counter insurgency tactics by Gen. Petraus.
Regarding Hagel's possible cabinet position, I support it. As the former senator of my old state, he seems like a no nonsense, gruff, tell it like it is guy. I don't agree or support every statement or position he has or had, but that is the same for everyone in politics.
@ Sarah
Your mind has been hijacked. You are a part of the Obama cult.
The Obama cult is currently attempting to change the Constitution to insure the opprtunity for a third term for President Obama.
Care to call me on that bet?
It has always been a part of the political process when the ruling party makes a nomination and the subordinate party makes an issue of it. During Repiublican years the Dems did the same events.
Nothing new for the dysfunctional folks that we sent to DC.
Funny how with the Republican party if you do anything that might even look like your working with this administration your thrown under the bus. Look at what they have done to Chris Christie. Really you guys need to get it together & stop the BS. If he was good enough for the committees he sat on he's good enough to move forward.
McCain is pissed because this is the last place he will get any attention. He has been threw every committee he can as a career politician and his relevancy is waning. Show boat on News networks and this...He has nothing else. He wanted to get picked...for anything.... just to be relevant again.
Backcountry,
When you can find me the equivalent of personhood amendments, mass deportations, voter suppression, and bans on contracting, I'll admit you have a point. Oh, and then you have to show me that it's the loudest part of my party doing this at the expense of the party in general, and that they're actually putting these things to a vote. When you show me democratic candidates for a national office that would turn down 10:1 tax increases to spending cuts, I'll say I was wrong.
Sabot,
I'd love to call that bet. Prove to me this cult EXISTS, and then show me the equivalency of the things I mentioned in the above paragraph. If I blindly agree with something, WITHOUT being able to justify it, I'll raise my glass to you.
I just hope it's grape Kool Aid. That's my favorite.
Think About it
That is what Presidents are supposed to do, bring opposing sides together. That requires telling your own party to compromise. Obama has failed to do that in favor of routinely demonizing and inflaming the divisions. He has failed as a leader and we are all paying the price for his partisanship.
Todd, once Israel is gone, what do you think will happen to the US? Most likely more Iraq situations as it will be us fighting one more war to keep the peace, rather than have Israel buffer the Middle East extremists from the US. Remember, many of the Middle East cities celebrated when events of 9-11, while Israel stood behind us.
TO: dartatak who wrote:
Right. Republicans said the same thing about Democrat President Bill Clinton who is still ranked as being the best President in modern history as well as the most loved, respected, and admired former President in history. To this very day, darn near everybody in the world loves Bill Clinton.
@American Girl
Anytime the GOP hates somebody, that means the person is honest, and the GOP hates honesty.
Now that is the funnest thing I read all day.If you think this guy is honest I have beach front property in Arizona for sell.
This guy is so back stabbing lying thug...
Sen. McCain, less We forget that the 1 & only Ronnie RayGun sat idly by with his arsenal of American firePower, while Bashar Assads Father ahnilated over 30,000 of his fellow Syrians! Just like Bush Jr., Assad has 1 upped his Daddy, by Killing 60,000! Also, Ronnie Raygun, Tucked Tail & Ran after the Lebanon Truck Bombing, killing over 100 Marines! But give RayGun some credit for rescuing College Students in Granada.
So I guess one could say"RayGun slept in a Holiday Inn Express lastnight"!
With that said Americas Carnival Barkers(formerly known as the MSM) sat idly by while the Bush administration fed the NYTimes False info about Iraq & Saddam's arsenal of Weapons of Mass Destruction. I will also say that Americas Carnival Barkers have sat idly by while President Obama has Righted 2 outta 3 of the Wrongs of Past Republican administration, namely RayGuns funding of Bin Ladens & (Bush JR. forgetfullness of 911), beat the Russians strategy & Gaddafis Bombing of Flight 103 over Lockerbee, resulting in Loss of over 200 American Lives. Theres Only 1 more to take care of & don't be Surprised when President Obama directly Bombs the Crap outta them Persians(Iranians) for taking 52 American Hostages back in 1979(Carters problem).
Rightly, anyone of us who opposed the Iraqi SandBox War, knew that Saddam kept the Middle East in Check with Intimidation, namely Iran, & now with Saddam gone, The Middle East has Erupted into Violence!
But hey, Thats President Obamas problem Now, & to Date, he's done an Exceptional Job. Iran knows he's a Crazy Muslim Supporter & won't hesitate(when the Time is Right) to put an End to The Persian Dream of eliminating Isreal.
Don't take My word, if ya can find a way, you can ASK Bin Laden, Gadaffi, Alockey, how much President Obama Loves da Muslims(Arabs), who wish to do harm(or have done harm) to America!
Justa crawlin thru the Tubes of History in case you've Forgotten!
President Barrack Hussein Obama has'nt forgotten!
You Betcha!
Occupy SoggyBottom!
@Sarah -- You are wrong. Seniors pay taxes. There are taxes levied on some social security benefits. They also pay taxes if they are withdrawing from an IRA or 401K (soon to be at a higher rate). The unemployed pay income taxes on their unemployment benefits. Military retirement pay based on age or length of service is taxable and must be included as income for federal income taxes. The amount a retiree pays to participate in the Survivors Benefit Plan (SBP) is excluded from taxable income.
Do some research. Might help.
@ American girl
Bill really the on that said oral is not sex this goes to prove you DEMs don't care about honesty.
Most loved LOL second best laugh of the day.
Abraham Licoln
Ronald Reagan
KingK, I agree with you on that. That is the biggest disappointment I have with our current President is his lack of leadership. And by Leadership, I mean exactly what you said, bring both sides together. Clinton did it and I was proud to say I voted for him. Bush did is somewhat and I was sorry to say I voted for him. Leadership is getting the job done. Everyone blames Congress, but it's the President that must lead to make Congress act. Partisanship allows Congress to show it's pettiness and until our President acts in a non-partisanship way, gridlock will continue.
Ben,
Please show me where I said ALL seniors don't pay taxes. Or did I say that the 47% of people who pay no income taxes includes seniors??? Yes or no, is that true? They're not mutually exclusive stances. Think of it as a Venn diagram. It might help.
HIGH FREQUENCY CYBERATTACK
Chuck Hagel is a smart man, who realizes that the true enemy is bringing down our nation not by nuclear weaponry, but rather through the use of high speed supercomputers.
Case in point, is the lose of taxpayer funded battery manufacturer A123 Systems to China.
We small investors suspect that high frequency trading, could be used to continually target and bid short desirable technology companies, so that the predatory country can acquire the assets for nearly nothing in bankruptcy court.
It would be nearly impossible for Mom & Pop Investor, to prove our suspicions, but a savvy Secretary of Defense, like Chuck Hagel, is already on to it.
TO: lasertroll who wrote:
Republicans have already proven, time and time again, that honesty and truthfulness cannot find a place in the Republican platform.
Sorry Lincoln
lasertroll
I just give you one name. Linda Jackson the former EPA Czar. Base on the reasons of her departure honesty was not her virtue.
American Girl I never said they was honest now did I...
Dennis Price
You've NEVER explained it to me because 99.9% of the time I remember to say Federal taxes. Are you actually admitting that you are too ignorant to understand that when I said republicans had cut their taxes to zero I was talking about Federal taxes?? Have they removed taxes to low income people at the state level or anywhere else.
If you're going to suggest someone else is a fool you should avoid making yourself look like one in the process.
YOU DON'T KNOW SQUAT ABOUT IRAQ:
President Clinton's 1998 State of the Union Address:
President Clinton's US Law, H.R.4655, "Iraqis Liberation Act of 1998" Section 2 Findings (Justifications):
In 1998 President Clinton as Commander In Chief Orders his FAILED 1998 Operation Desert Fox that results in the over 1.5 Billion Islamic Believers condemning the US as the Great Satan.
In Section 3 by US Law of President Clinton's H.R. 4655, it is US Policy to Overthrow President Hussein, this IS a Declaration of War with Iraq, just like if the Chinese and or Russian Federation stated the Overthrow of President Obama.
President Clinton's US Law, H.R.4655, Section 3 US Policy Overthrow of President Hussein became 2003 US Military Operation Iraqis Freedom.
The President Obama Reelection LIE, "Unilateral US Invasion of Iraq", as Iraq and Afghanistan were United Nations Missions, including participation by the unarmed Japanese Defense Force Engineers.
With above I proved that YOU are dishonest.
TO: lasertroll who wrote:
Just goes to show, ignorance is bliss.
Actually, I think very highly of President Clinton for at least attempting to protect a woman's chastity, whereas Republicans insisted on litigating Monica's sexual affairs.
Big difference there, and being a woman, I would perfer a man who would chose to protect my chastity, rather than a group of men attempting to legally control my womb.
David, I hope you don't think I'm going to spend my morning reading that load of crap.
Try keeping it a little shorter please.
Sarah-3043284
" People from within, such as yourself, have to look hard to see the problems on their own side. I wonder if you bother to try, most don't."
I'll just take your response as a no.
If people worried half as much about the politicians that they'd actually consider voting as the do the politians that they never would, we wouldn't have such a @!$%#ed up Congress.
American Girl, WWHAT
Were do you see ignorance? Did he not testify I DID NOT HAVE SEX WITH THAT WOMAN..
I do believe he did say that.
Protect it with lies.
You just proved my point DEMS don't care about the Truth.
So you don't mind being cheated on too I bet..
@ David
American Girl said, "Try keeping it a little shorter please."
Ha ha.
And written in crayon as well, I bet.
Yeah David DEMs don't read they just do.
Point in fact Obamacare passed but no one read it..
LOL honestly..
TO: print money who wrote:
Well, I remember Hurricane Katrina, when all the cops deserted their posts.
Maybe the FEMA people remember the last Town Hall Meetings that were held in Republican Territories where Republicans brought their guns to their Town Hall Meetings.
Maybe the FEMA people has listened as folks residing in Republican Territories constantly rail against the Government.
I'd say listening to Republican hate speech convinced the FEMA people they needed to be cautious and above all, safe.
Backcountry,
Trust me, I know who I want to vote for and what I'm voting for. Many times, unfortunately, it's the lesser of two evils. That's why I'd love to have the GOP back. And the reason we're so @!$%#ed up is because money is considered speech in this country.
@ American girl
...rather than a group of men attempting to legally control my womb.
How was Liberals pushing Government controlled healthcare not men legally attempting to control your womb?
P.S. Cops in New Orleans didnt desert their posts.
I know I was there... it was called Operation Southern Belle (Operation Katrina.) 1st of the 8th Cavalry regiment, my platoon was assigned to Algiers for patrols. The cops were out their with us slick.
Your facts are completey fabricated and hollow.
TO: lasertroll who wrote:
No, he did not "testify" to that.
Personally, I'd rather have a guy who doesn't "kiss and tell" as opposed to a guy walking around talking and acting like a 800lb. caveman.
Hagel's pro-surrogates: "Talk to the enemy."
Yep, that has worked so well in North Korea, Iran, and with al Qaeda.
And, decimate our armed forces which is on that path now with the budget sequestration cuts.
Just keep pushing Mr. Obama's foreign and "millitary reduction" policies.
Sen. John McCain, R- Ariz., repeatedly pressed Hagel, a fellow Vietnam War veteran, on whether he had been right or wrong to say that the 2007 surge was “the most dangerous foreign policy blunder since Vietnam.”
When McCain angrily said “Will you please answer the question?”
Hagel told McCain “I’m not going to give you a yes or no answer…. I’ll defer that judgment to history.”
When McCain shot back that Hagel had been wrong about the surge, Hagel said his “most dangerous blunder” comment had been “not just about the 2007 surge but the overall war of choice going into Iraq” in 2003.
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Great and honest answer to a dumb and self-serving question. McCain is so full of himself, I'm surprised no one has passed out from what has to be mustard gas level farts that he's gotta release every time he gets all faux fired up.
TO: SabotAndHeat who wrote:
Obamacare doesn't ask me to give up my "right to chose".
The Republican Platform, on the other hand, does exactly that, and with Republicans' contiuous attempt to repeal Roe v. Wade, combined with making abortion illegal in just about every southern state is an attempt to overrule the Federal Government and to deny me my rights under the United States Constitution.
@American Girl,
No, he did not "testify" to that.
Personally, I'd rather have a guy who doesn't "kiss and tell" as opposed to a guy walking around talking and acting like a 800lb. caveman.
Really he did not say that than why did we start to impeach him? Well because he lied.
You are really deep in that closet.
And trust me he did beat his chest around all his buddies..
You are really giving me good laughs today.
And stop giving yourself a kudos you don't get them from any one else..
Sarah-3043284,
You're still posting uneducated nonsense further dumbing down Newsvine's "Get Smarter Here".
http://money.msn.com/investing/11-things-wrong-with-congress
I told you before to research who President Obama's Buddy, "Mr. Corporate America" is. Then research what "Mr.Corporate America" has been doing since 2007.
Why do you think Presidential Candidate Hillary Clinton filed against Candidate Obama's Violating US Law, McCain Feingold Bipartisan Campaign Reform Act. And since you let Candidate Obama get away with that then, getting Billions USDs and getting fined thousands for violating US Law; that is what he continued to do to keep his 2008 Campaign Offices open until 2012, then in 2013 these Campaign Offices were renamed to President Obama Action Committees, and still takes Billions USDs per year to keep open Nationwide. And do NOT lie, as to where the Billions are coming from.
The Repugnants in the open say that they are supported by the Corporations, the Rich, etc..
The Demoncraps hide behind closed doors, closets, etc. getting money from Corporations, the Rich, Chinese (President Clinton's "Chinagate"), Russian Federation, other Foreign Nations, etc.. Making Demoncraps more susceptible to blackmail, coercion, leveraging, for fear of being outed.
Beverly in Chicago,
FIX YOUR CORRUPT SCREWED UP CITY AND STATE, you don't have time to be spouting your nonsense on Newsvine:
Cities with the most burglaries:
Sure take away the Firearms from the Legal Owners of Firearms. Note: Since you know NOTHING about Firearms, banning "high capacity" magazines effectively takes away those models of firearms that only can use "high capacity" magazines (more than 7 cartridges).
And if you want to remove guns, fine, take away (cut off) the guns (penises) from the Demoncraps first; so that Demoncraps cannot procreate more stup!d:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4kU0XCVey_U
As far as your screwed up State:
sarah...
Let's put the term of "record profits" into some semblance of the real world and mathematical reality.
I will keep the math simple enough for everyone. A business has a consistent after tax profit of $1.00 for 2008, with 2008 being the year that they created their greatest margin of after tax profit. With the recession and slow recovery their after tax profits were less than $1.00 for 2009 and they once again realized an aftertax profit of $1.00 in 2010. Now,because they chose to de-leveridged in 2009 and made productivity improvements in 2010 they realized an after tax profit of $2.00 in 2011 and $2.20 in 2012.
So what they achieved was a record profit in 2011 and again in 2012 albeit at a smaller margin in 2012. Heck they even doubled their after tax profit in 2011. A record profit means very little coached in the narrative you andf others chose to present it in. Heck the company's shareholders may even consider that their "record" profits don't justify the shareholders investment or that the level of profit will even cover increased government regulations in 2013. Now let's look at this "record" profit (in $$$) as compared to their cost of doing business. Let's say the company achieved an aftertax revenue to cost ratio of 5% in 2010, but for 2011 and 2012 costs rose substantially so that even with record profits (revenue) the revenue to cost ratio stayed the same in 2011 and fell in 2012. Now what? Record profits now means little.
A more down home example is if you got a 2% raise last year you now have a new record for your earned income and every raise from now on will be a new "record". Since you have record earnings wouldn't you expect others to complain like you do about your record setting level of income? BTW - Your personal revenue to cost (food, transportation, etc) ratio works the same way and determines what your discretionary income is.
Get the point? %'s, pay/profit increases and "records" can all be couched in a variety of terms but rarely can be an accurate picture of what the reality is.
TO: ldo who wrote:
Question: How many times do Republicans think they can destroy the planet with nuclear weapons?
@ American Girl
Obamacare doesn't ask me to give up my "right to chose".
It doesnt in its current configuration.
In it's original configuration, the decision to pay for it (or not) would be back in the hands of someone else.
American girl, here you go
After rumors of the scandal reached the news, Clinton publicly stated, "I did not have sexual relations with that woman, Miss Lewinsky." In his Paula Jones deposition, he swore, "I have never had sexual relations with Monica Lewinsky. I've never had an affair with her."[8] Months later, Clinton admitted that his relationship with Lewinsky was "wrong" and "not appropriate." Lewinsky engaged in oral sex with Clinton several times.[9][10]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impeachment_of_Bill_Clinton
Steve . . .
I agree. McCain got kicked off the playground and rather than retiring quietly, he's going to be the bully of the Senate just to pander to the Teabagging faction that seems to think he's still a bit relevant.
David,
Can you quote where I said Dems weren't guilty of it??? Or did I just say this...
But platform to platform, I currently have two choices. Ergo, Dems it is. Especially in light of the crazy sauce the GOP just dipped itself in. Get money out of both sides, and @!$%# I'LL get up there and run, when I'm old enough. And trust me, I belong to many movements attempting to do just that.
So I'm not really sure what the point of your post was. Especially the insult. Threatened, little man? (See I can insult strangers too)
At least the Dems didn't have anyone talking to an empty chair!
Sarah-3043284
I must disagree. The reason we are so @!$%#ed up is because the red and blue sheep believe whatever they are told by their red or blue puppet-masters. All the money in the world wouldn't make a bit of difference if people would actually look up some facts for themselves and stop with the BS rhetoric. The money thing is nothing but an epic cop-out and excuse for the lazy and the blind partisan hacks.
TO: lasertroll who wrote:
I think Republicans tried to impeach Clinton because they were so damn jealous of Clinton. Clinton was young, extremely handsome, the most powerful man in the world, and everybody loved Bill Clinton and they still do love Clinton to this very day.
If President Bill Clinton right now today decided to "beat his chest" he damn sure has the right to do it, because he earned it and he certainly has the right to do so.
As for the laughs, I thought that was normal for wackos when they're off their medication.
What you don't want to read all the CRAP that YOUR other Savior President Clinton said. HYPOCRITE, American Girl-724855.
Your post #1.5,
In arguments it is called a Statement of Exception (also known by Lawyers as Errors of Omission, the legalese term for a LIE). Your post says Repugnants and does not include the Demoncraps nor In Depends (contents of Adult Diapers).
Stop attempting to divert from your LYING.
Backcountry,
I highly disagree. Especially when the money BUYS you the ear of our legislatures. Until I can mach the Koch brothers or George Soros, dime for dime, I can research everything in the world, but not have that kind of influence. When running for office takes millions, if not billions, then the folks with the cash are always going to be a step ahead. When you have the money, and the money can be used to change the discussion, we have a serious issue.
TO: spider-737231 who wrote:
I think America's stockholders would have to take issue with your poorly thought out, mistaken opinion.
Yesterday, I read the stock market hit its highest level in the entire history of the stock market.
When I first scanned Idiot Inhofe's quote “a recent trend of policy reversals that seem based on political expediency rather than on core beliefs” and accused him of a willingness to “walk back or alter his positions” in an attempt to win... I thought for a second he was still talking about Romney.
I think it hilarious that the Clinton haters and Clinton blamers have once again crawled out from under their rocks. They think Hillary is going to run in '16 and they want to be all oiled up and ready to go. You think the right wing played dirty with Obama? Just wait until they unload the scum buckets on Secretary Clinton.
American girl really name calling now.
See what happens when you prove things to dems they start calling you names...
I posted a link for you ....
American girl, here you go
After rumors of the scandal reached the news, Clinton publicly stated, "I did not have sexual relations with that woman, Miss Lewinsky." In his Paula Jones deposition, he swore, "I have never had sexual relations with Monica Lewinsky. I've never had an affair with her."[8] Months later, Clinton admitted that his relationship with Lewinsky was "wrong" and "not appropriate." Lewinsky engaged in oral sex with Clinton several times.[9][10]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impeachment_of_Bill_Clinton
@ Sarah
Prepare your drinking glass Sarah. Your cult is attempting to change the Constitution to allow for third terms.
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c113:H.J.RES.15
or
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H.J.Res._15
Wake up, Sarah.
Backcountry you couldn't be more wrong in your statement that 50% of the country pays no tax. 50% of the country pays no Federal Income Tax. State tax, payroll tax etc are paid by all and for the poor that adds up to a large portion of their income. Those taxes don't add up to much for the wealthy.
A lot of hedge fund guys pay little to nothing on their carried interest of millions and for a few top guys billions in gains every year. Why don't you mention those tax dodgers?
Apparently, you don't have any clue what a 'tax' is. Have you ever bought anything? Have you ever earned a single dollar on a paycheck? Have you ever owned any property?
Then you paid a tax. I suppose it is possible for someone to exist who has NEVER paid any taxes, but I challenge you to find me that person.
I really don't understand what point you are trying to make here. In any case, it is predicated on your false assumption that there are people out there who pay no taxes at all.
Beyond that, I really don't get why paying taxes is somehow related to your patriotism or how much stake you have in the country, or how much you have put in. The kid down the street, the one who just returned from Afghanistan has paid very little taxes, and is certainly in your category of "didn't pay any taxes", yet I would value his contribution as much as any Wall Street executive's.
People are not money. Money is not people. What you seem unable to understand is that we are supposed to be a country, we are supposed to hang together.
@ American Girl
Yesterday, I read the stock market hit its highest level in the entire history of the stock market.
Uh no. It almost hit 14,000. The highest was in 2007, 14,093. Stocks arent to be trusted anyway. A bit like musical chairs.
Sabot,
First, it's in front of the judiciary committee and hasn't even been put to a vote. Second, it is NOT part of the party platform, as is anti-choice measures and DOMA. Fourth, it's been introduced MANY times, by both Dems and the GOP...
That shows that it isn't part of any "conspiracy" regarding Obama, as both sides have done this, numerous times. Take a look at how many times personhood amendments have been introduced, and by the way the GOP in general embraces that. It's not just one congress person.
One wacky bill, does not a movement or platform make. We're talking "parties" here, unless you want to go toe to toe with individual, wackjobs, in the parties. "Legitimate rape" ring a bell?
Do some better research, and stop being so paranoid, Sabot. By the way, wiki had NO articles linked to it, and the majority of those that came up after I looked it up on my own, were right wing fringe sites.
@American girl
Yesterday, I read the stock market hit its highest level in the entire history of the stock market.
Where do you get your information at?
Oct. 1, 2007 14,066.01
Never has hit that yet. Oh and why yes that was when Bush was in office..
Dennis Price (#1.7):
You are totally ignorant and stupid if you think no one is trying to take away anyone's rights. Just look at the nut jobs in the Republican Party.
Where have you been????
lasertroll,
Try writing a coherent sentence from time to time. The above makes about as much sense as any of the rest of your posts.
American Girl knows how to read, which is more than I can say for you. Try getting your news from places other than Fox. Better yet, learn to read.
Sarah-3043284
You could spend a quadrillion dollars and it wouldn't make a bit of difference if the sheep don't vote for you.
Hey jack go check the stock out right now that is where I got my information set it to 10 yeas and there it is..
And again you prove something, dems start name calling or calling faults of other to distract you from the truth.
And jack unfortunately I had car accident and lost memory so sorry about that I almost died from a drunk driver and can't write good enough for you.
Back,
Yes, and the sheppards are the billionaires who have the capability of plastering their message everywhere, thus convincing the sheep to vote for them. Stop allowing that, and the sheep may be able to think for themselves again.
Failure to disclose involvement with electronic voting firm
For the first ten weeks of 1996, Hagel served as chairman of American Information Systems (AIS), a voting machine company which later changed its name to ES&S. He also had holdings in the firm's parent group, McCarthy Group Inc., worth between $1 and $5 million. [10] In November 1996, Hagel was elected to the Senate, the first Republican elected from Nebraska since 1974. He came from behind twice during his run (according to polls), first against well known Republican Attorney General Don Stenberg in the primary, and then against popular Democratic Gov. (and eventual senator) Ben Nelson. In fact, one Nebraska newspaper described his victory as a “stunning upset.” [11] In January 1997, the Washington Post called Hagel's victory, "the major Republican upset in the November election." [12] According to Bev Harris of Blackboxvoting.org, a group aimed at “consumer protection for elections,” Hagel won virtually every demographic group, including many largely African-American communities that had never before voted Republican. AIS was responsible for counting approximately 80% of the votes in the election. [13] [14] [15]
In a disclosure form filed in 1996, Hagel did not report that he was chairman of AIS during 1996 or go into detail regarding the company’s underlying assets. Rather, he cited his holdings as an “excepted investment fund,” which is exempt from detailed disclosure rules. [16] [17] [18]
On May 23, 1997, Victor Baird, then serving as director of the Senate Ethics Committee, sent a letter to Hagel requesting “additional, clarifying information” for the personal financial disclosure report Hagel filed. In 2002, the issue surfaced again as Charlie Matulka, Hagel’s opponent for reelection, wrote to Baird requesting an investigation into Hagel’s ownership in and nondisclosure of ES&S (the information remained undisclosed as of 2002). Baird replied that Matulka's complaint lacked merit and dismissed the matter. [19] [20] [21]
Under the ethics panel’s regulations at the time, an “excepted investment fund” was one that was “publicly traded (or available) or widely diversified.” The committee had defined a “publicly available” stock or investment as one that could be purchased on a public market or for which information was publicly available. This type of information, some contended, would typically be found in reference outlets such as Moody’s Financial Services Information, Standard & Poor’s register, or Barron’s The Dow Jones and Financial Weekly. A 2003 search of all three by The Hill, however, revealed no references to McCarthy. In addition, a comprehensive report ordered by The Hill from Dun & Bradstreet, a leading financial information firm, indicated that McCarthy's financial information was not publicly available. Michael McCarthy, chairman of the McCarthy Group and Hagel’s campaign treasurer, acknowledged that the company was not publicly traded or widely diversified, but claimed that it was publicly available nonetheless. [22] [23] [24]
On January 25th and 27th of 2003, Baird met with Hagel's office. Later on the 27th, he abruptly resigned his post, ending a sixteen year stint with the committee. Later that day, Baird’s replacement, Robert Walker, changed the committee's definition of “excepted investment fund.” Under the revised definition, the committee would have the ability to decide, based on the specific facts of each case, whether an investment had been made in a publicly available firm. Many argued that the new definition made it virtually impossible to determine whether Hagel, or any other legislator, must report investments in non-traded private companies. [25] [26] [27]
Soon after the change, Lou Ann Linehan, Hagel’s chief of staff, denied that Hagel had ever failed to meet the Senate Ethics Committee’s reporting requirements in his annual financial disclosure forms. She claimed that she was sure that at least one investment advisor and broker confirmed that McCarthy Group Inc. was publicly available. She was unable, however, to offer the name of any investment broker or advisor who consulted with Hagel or his staff on the matter. [28][29] [30]
Very un American to distrust the market Sabot. The market has always had risk, that's why there is potential reward. It's not really like musical chairs at all. But there is something to the fact that earnings don't necessarilly drive rallies and the psychology of investors matters much.
Of course you and Lasertroll cite the Dow. Most professionals look at the S&P not the Dow which is only 30 stocks. Higher market cap stocks influence it's movement more which distorts reality as well.
David 4745
So you go back to 88 when Clinton was in charge and blame the Iraq war on him? Interesting how you put no blame on the administration that started and prosecuted the war. I was talking about Iraq being the biggest blunder of our generation.
Yes I know the common misconception was that Iraq was working toward weapons, back in the late 80's and 90's. However, newer information when the Bush administration was in charge was overlooked if it went against their view. Under Bush the facts were fabricated to try to prove something that wasn't the case. See Downey Street memos.
Next you will claim that many democrats voted for the war. I know that too. Don't care. Me a normal citizen could see it didn't pass the smell test. Didn't suppport those Democrats who voted or didn't apologize for their votes either.
Finally, Yes as American girl said so called "Curve ball" and Chalabi were singing exactly what Bush and co wanted to hear.
Mike mine was a comment answer to american girl.
I don't follow stock..
lasertroll - Thanks for reminding of the republican god Reagan who doubled the deficit, supported a ban on assault rifles and granted amnesty to illegals.
Sorry Theo I don't think of a man as a God..
But you are welcome..
@ Sarah
in front of the judiciary committee
That reflects attempting.
We do agree that is wacky. I also know it has been attempted before. The previous attempts were based on cult followings. No President (Democrat or Republican) should be so revered that we slice and dice our Constitution for him.
I voted for Bush...we got the Patriot Act. A horrible Constitution slashing law. He was far from perfect and Presidents who slash our Constitution should be held accountable. If we say yes...but just not mine...thats a cult!
Funny you should mention that. Doesn't seem to have happened lately, has it? The number of government employees has shrunk under Obama, in fact, one of the reasons why unemployment is still stubbornly high, despite all other factors pointing at a recovery, is that he has been laying off workers.
You are right about bloat, though. But it doesn't apply to our Federal government; it applies to our Federal contractors. That is why we have so much government "waste." Some Federal contractor
bribeslobbies one of our beloved Representatives and gets a Federal contract. That is why when we went to war, we had the absolute best jet fighters and spy planes, so sensitive, in fact, that their "legendary" instruments could be confused by garage door openers. But our soldiers didn't have the proper armor, hence the stories of soldiers' families getting together and personally paying for what they needed - a truly shameful episode in our history.This isn't "government bloat." This is government corruption. At least, Democrat politicians try to return the taxes back to the people who paid them.
@ Mike
Un-American to not trust the Stock market?
Ha, thats a first!
Whats next, if I don't play the lottery I hate schools?
Sabot,
But you haven't shown any link to Obama, or the democratic platform. If you're going to attack him for going after the Constitution, attack him for NDAA, but I highly doubt you'll find many Dems who agree with that bit of legislation, myself included.
When this comes to the floor for votes, over and over and over again, ala anti-choice bills and when the Dems adopt it into their platform, and when you can show that it's a merely Democratic position, and not the work of one wackjob, then you'll have ONE equivalency.
Right now it looks like lone wackjobs on BOTH sides have attempted to do this numerous times in the past, and have never even gotten it to the floor. I certainly wouldn't even include it as an ingredient in the GOP crazy sauce.
@ Byron
Government employees have shrunk under Obama.
The majority of the shrinkage has occured from military downsizing.
Did not have sex with that woman..impeachment? very pathetic if that is the lie he got caught telling. I don't care. what about Mythwitt and all his lies during the campaign? oh but wait that is ok. McCain needs to retire and go away. He is just a blow hard has been, if he ever was. Always causing trouble. No one is perfect. He has his own skeletons in the closet like divorcing his wife..long story. He is a man of no morals and needs to quit being the bully.
@ Sarah
NDAA was unConstitutional.
His attack on the 2nd is unConstitutional.
His attempt to push Obamacare V1, was unConstitutional.
Whether this version of the 22nd Amendment appeal gains more traction with Democrats, has yet to be seen as it's brand new. But, it's still dangerous. It's not a stretch with his track record with our Constitution.
Simply saying that you think most Dems (or Republicans for that matter) won't go along with it is not enough. One needs to speak out against it. As I am doing.
lasertroll,
Sorry for your loss.
But then you write this (emphasis added):
And then you write this to someone named Mike (again with emphasis added):
Sounds like you do indeed have memory loss. Or maybe something else is going on . . . .
SabotAndHeat,
According to who? You? Are you a Constitutional scholar? An attorney with expertise in Constitutional Law? Maybe it's your opinion that these things are unconstitutional, but that doesn't make it so.
Sabot,
NDAA was unconstitutional.
When he repeals the 2nd Amendment, you'll have a case. Until then, SCOTUS has ruled that guns CAN be regulated, as can/are ALL rights. Plus, there's a compelling interest in doing so.
According to SCOTUS you're ALSO wrong about Obamacare. The government does have the power to tax and regulate commerce. You can argue that there are better ways to go about it. I was hoping for a single payer system, but you can't argue that the feds have the right to do both of those things. Plus, you might want to take THIS one up with the conservative Heritage Foundation, now run by Jim DeMint, as THEY are the one's who thought the mandate up.
That's an awful lot of disagreement with the highest court in the land, with no real explanation of WHY they're unconstitutional.
No Sabot, but free market capitalism is a fundamental belief held by most Americans, left or right. It's our system you see and it always has been.
Somebody of your opinions ought to understand that the market is how capital is distributed from savers to it's highest and best use (not perfect by a long shot) which fosters innovation and ultimately wealth. And this mechanism is what the right typically says governement spending messes up.
But government spending is a part of this system and always will be, the level of which is debatable. However if you tell Lockheed Martin that we are going to cut gov spending across the board that private company and all the companies LM buys stuff from might suffer greatly. So when people demonize gov spending they should think of all the private businesses that exist due to that spending. The world and our economy is a more complex ecosystem than you or I can articulate. The market plays a vital role in our success as a nation and it isn't a game of musical chairs.
Why would any American want government handling health care.
Didn't the government screw up every thing it has touched?
@ Mike
I concure with all you stated.
However, I do not trust Stocks now. Stocks as America knew them are gone. Long term investments are gone. Short term "gambling" using online resources (instead of level headed investors) have taken over.
This is why I distrust them.
If you stay the course and invest long term you won't feel the bumps (speculators) along the way.
The only friends Israel has in this Country is the Republican party !!!
Israel has big influence on the GOP, they donate millions to their party !!!
Remember the USS Liberty !!!
thinkaboutit
Happy to have a dialog. Did you ever think if we were not Israels bitch that 911 would not have happened. Let me explain it this way , if Canadians came into the US took our land and killed our children with French guns as the french cheered them on and provided the weapons and money to make it all happen, would you not hate the French. I think you and I would be out to get even with the French. That's why 911 happened. Thinkaboutit you will understand.
@ Jack
I don't follow the stock I see it once in a few weeks but when American girl posted that. I do research before I post.
So I went and looked it up at that time. And found it.
Then mike posted something about S&P is what you should watch.
And I was just letting him know I don't follow it.
If you ask me the stock market is why the economy sucks. Companies don't care about product or the workers just the investor.
Kind of like the government.
@ Sarah
I want you to know I appreciate your civil interaction. While we don't agree on much, your very polite.
Last night, because of an MSN post in which a couple Newsviners felt I had not shown enough compassion to the story, in return decided that it would be compassionate to hope an Apache Gunship arrive at my house and blow my house up with me, my family and my guns inside.
Just saying thanks.
-2nd Amendment
Article I, Section 8: The Congress shall have the power to … raise and support Armies, but no appropriation of money to that use shall be for a longer term than two years.
This is a clear reason why a standing Army and militias (the people) are two seperate entities. The standing Army can be dissolved by Congress choosing to no longer fund it. Our Second Amendment rights cannot be dissolved. The militia, (the people) rights to bear arms shall not be infringed. There is no clause that says "or until Congess chooses to no longer support it."
It is the above article that proves that this is exactly why our individual right to bear arms was specifically to have military capable weapons! In case the standing Army is dissolved. It has nothing to do with "absence of a strong national military force in the early years of the country." The above article clearly shows the legal capability to disband the Army every two years.
Furthermore, many people try to state that the National Guard or Reserves constitute what our forefathers meant by militia. However, this is also incorrect as the Bill of Rights (which covers everyone) would not be capable of covering everyone, if the requirement was National Guard or Reserves service. Age minimums and maximums, prior retired military, service member capacity limits are exceeded (no longer taking recruits), physically unable to serve, overweight, etc, etc, all prevent individuals from service and therfore would not fall under a militia...and therefore would not fall under the 2nd Amendment.
I think we can all agree on bettering the "well-regulated" part. But, not at the restriction of weapons.
- Obamacare
The government does have the power to tax and regulate commerce, true. But, even in the release of the SCOTUS ruling, they recognized that there is a difference between taxing an American for doing something...and doing nothing.
Again, in version 1 which was submitted, it had to be reworded in order to give an American the right to not get insurance so that Obamacare did compel Americans into commerce. So, the words were rewritten to include a tax for not heeding the "mandate." This is what will be taken to court....the power to tax and regulate lack of participation in commerce. That is unConstitutional.
Those are my "why's".
Gotta go...afternoon Army physical fitness. Great chat. Take care all.
Lil Michelle
I personally have Blue Cross - Aetna through my company. Most people's health care providers here in America are private sector insurance companies that are also listed on the NYSE.
Social Security has been around for over 70 years. Medicare and Medicaid are run quite well.
Myself and other American's work for companies that bid on and are rewarded government contracts to build one thing or another in all 50 states.
I personnaly have had much better experiences in my life working with or for our government than any corporations out there.
Sure, there are a few good ones, like Southwest Airlines, and Honda, but in my opinion, corporations no longer provide good customer service anymore. Corporations don't do alot of year-end bonuses or other perks like they use to. The corporate environment is not good to today's hard working Americans like it use to be 30 years ago.
Salud
SabotandHeat - Good Post, Sounds like one of the few that know the Constitution. I wish more did.
Mike, the problem is, the Government is trying to control Capitalism in this country. I gives Billions to "Green Companies" to promote them, even when the general populations has no intrest in it. I hear about the "Evel Corperations" but people don't seem to realize that Corperations never pay taxes, If they are taxed, they simply pass it on in the cost of thier products, so the taxpayers end up paying for it, then complain about the hi prices. They over regulate, (just look at all the stupid warning lables on products, like don't stick your feet under the power lawnmore). It is a shame Wilson made autmatic pyrool tax deductions from our paychecks a hundred years ago, people lost track of the actual cost of Government.
"That 47%-50% also include senior citizens, veterans and people on assistance."
Not a true statement Sarah, I pay Federal Taxes on my retirement check (Veteran).
AGAIN YOU DON'T KNOW SQUAT FROM FIRSTHAND EXPERIENCE.
BASIC KNOWLEDGE: US LAWS, US POLICIES, PRESIDENTIAL EXECUTIVE ORDERS DO NOT GO AWAY UNTIL REPEALED, OR COMPLETED.
President Clinton's US Law H.R.4655 Section 3 US POLICY OVERTHROW OF PRESIDENT HUSSEIN.
Those of us that were the US Military Training Teams to US Ally Iraq during the Iran Iraq Wars stated our opposition, as we knew from firsthand experience that President Hussein was the Counterbalance to the Fundamentalist Islamic Shia Republic of Iran, using his own Iraqis Oil Wealth and the lives of the Iraqis Citizens of the Iraqis Military. We were threatened with UCMJ Actions, Detentions, Relief from Command, etc. so;
In 1998 we went into Iraq and hired about a hundred thousand Shia Iraqis mostly from Iran to Overthrow Sunnis President Hussein.
Due to President Clinton's Gutting of the US Intelligence Agencies, there were no local Pro US Iraqis intelligence assets to link up with, as they were no longer funded; so to survive and make money to feed their families, most of the previous Pro US Iraqis Intelligence assets had become Iraqis Counter Intelligence Agents, Iraqis Military Intelligence, Iraqis Law Enforcement (or Iraqis Secret Police), and they were waiting for us to attempt something. So the almost hundred thousand Shia Iraqis we hired as assassins and insurgents were captured, tried, executed as "Traitors" and dumped into mass graves. President Clinton spun this to "Dictator Massacred His Own People".
Because of President Clinton's Failure, the next was his as Commander In Chief Ordered 1998 US Military Operation Desert Fox. It was President Clinton's belief that by targeting the Iraqis Political Leadership, he would not have anyone to negotiate Peace (the step down of President Hussein from the Presidency of Iraq), so he Ordered the Airstrikes and Cruise Missile Attacks of the Crowded Urban Poor Areas of Baghdad. Again from experience, you do NOT f**k with the Poor of Islam, we then opposed and were restricted from Targeting, and only Target Damage Assessments. The Results thousands of the Poor of Islam died during the Airstrikes and Cruise Missile Attacks, Worldwide the over 1.5 Billion Islamic Believers condemn the US as the Great Satan.
FROM FIRSTHAND EXPERIENCE (SURVIVING) THE WAR AT IRAQ STARTED WITH PRESIDENT CLINTON'S US POLICY, OVERTHROW OF PRESIDENT HUSSEIN AND US LAW WITH US CONGRESSIONAL APPROPRIATIONS. As since 1998 we have been at Iraq conducting Overt and Covert Activities to Overthrow President Hussein.
SO GET AN EDUCATION.
That would only be you NOT "everybody"; especially those of us that were around at the time. So that would be you the Jewish Lobby, Monika Lewinsky, giving President Clinton blow jobs.
DO NOT LET THE FACTS CONFUSE YOU American Girl-724855:
US ECONOMY: President Clinton eliminated those US Laws that made the Causes of previous Depressions Illegal. Result, the current $60 Trillion to $100 Trillion Global Economic Crisis consisting of the Mortgage Crisis, Wall Street Crisis, Financial Crisis, Banking Crisis, Credit Crisis, etc..
To make matters worse President Clinton demanded Loans (Mortgages) be made to those without a viable means to repay those Loans (Mortgages).
The President Clinton LIE, "Budget Surplus", as the Real Economic Indicator is the Interest on the National Debt: President Clinton (42) $18.9 Billion. President Bush (43) $16.6 Billion.
Like you American Girl-724855, President Obama does not know squat so he cannot fix anything. (Asks Presidential Candidate Romulan how to fix the US Economy after President Obama is Reelected).
Iraq: As stated above President Clinton's US Policy Overthrow of President Hussein, and US Law H.R.4655.
Afghanistan: President Clinton believed that the Cold War Era US Defense, US Intelligence Agencies (previously built up by Director of the CIA Bush, later President (41)), US Military were no longer needed. President Clinton Gutted the US Intelligence Agencies that left the US Blind and Deaf to the Events leading to the 9/11 2001 Attacks. The local Pro US intelligence assets Worldwide were no longer funded, so Intelligence from Afghanistan was no longer available. The US had to rely on information from "Potentally Hostile" Nations like Pakistan, Jordan, etc. as to where Osama Bin Laden was after President Clinton released Osama Bin Laden after the 1993 First World Trade Center Bombings.
United Nations Mission Somalia II, Operation Continue Hope, aka the Battle for Mogadishu. The problems existed due to President Clinton's Gutting of the US Intelligence Agencies, resulting in President Clinton as Commander In Chief Failure, known as "Blackhawk Down". As President Clinton had also Cut the US Military to the Bone, so that the US Military were relying on the Pakistanis Military (that usually did not have fuel for their vehicles), and we were even rationing ammunition.
American Girl-724855 MMMMMMMmmmmmmmmm, President Clinton penis tastes good.
SabotandHeat said:
"The Obama cult is currently attempting to change the Constitution to insure the opprtunity for a third term for President Obama.
Care to call me on that bet?"
I'll call you on that bet.
How much, and who do we trust to hold the $$. Care to sign a contract?
I could use the extra money, and I don't mind taking it from squirrels with ODS.
Obama is not trying to change the Constitution to give himself a 3rd term.
Bush didn't orchestrate 9/11, and Obama is not trying to take away 2nd amendment rights to bear basic arms.
Furthermore, I'm all for being non-partisan, I'd love to have a rational sane GOP back. However, the party's been hijacked,
Sarah, although you and I butt heads quite a bit, I will agree with you that the GOP has been hijacked. What you need to realize and admit is the democrat party has been hijacked also. None of our politicians are any longer about what's best for us, the middle class. Both parties have gone to the extreme edge of the their respective platforms. GOP has stalled congress, but on the left you have examples of feinstein's gun 'proposal', you have reid not even trying to work towards a budget, the examples can go on. It's both parties that are causing these issues, not just the GOP. The GOP is bleeding party members due to their incompetence, so what I'd like to know is when are the democrat party citizens going to wake up?
Note: This isn't a slam on just democrats, it's the fact that the citizens of one party is waking up, but the citizens of the other party aren't.
Sarah-3043284
ROTFLMAO!!! Right, because there aren't a thousand and one pundits and "media" sources speading BS free of charge to anyone who will listen. Oh...wait.
TO: Lil Michelle who wrote:
Because the Health Care Industry was out of control.
The Health Care Industry learned that they could take a person's genes and know all about us from the day we were born to about when we might die, so the Health Care Industry had decided to use those gene studies to claim that all Americans were inherently flawed and therefore we all have "pre-existing conditions that would eventually lead to death."
THEN, the HC Industry decided to fashion their questionnaires in such a way to prove, in a court of law, that we are all aware of the fact that we can't live forever and are therefore flawed, and were going to attempt to sue us for "fraud based on pre-existing conditions", i.e., we all know that one day we're going to die.
Then Health Insurance Companies decided they deserved to get 17% of the gross of all working people's paychecks, which is where President Obama stepped in and stopped the Health Care Lobby right in their tracks and gave us Obamacare, and took away that whole "pre-existing condition" thing that the Health Insurers were ready to play with.
Mike-1269253
And then they should realize that if the government wasn't TAKING that money from the American people those people would spend that money elsewhere which would create jobs to offset the loss created by the diminished government spending.
Like you said, our economy is a complex ecosystem, but one fact is indisputable, the economy is driven by PRIVATE spending. If government spending was as effective as private then the so-called "stimulus" would have been a smashing success instead of being the driver of the WORST recovery from a recession since WW2.
TO: david-475776 who wrote:
David, you are vulgar, and I doubt very seriously that President Clinton would allow you to give him a B.J., no matter how much you think you'd enjoy it.
Chuck Hagel is the only Republican that I like and support. And Chuck Hagel was correct in his opposition of the invasion of an illegal war (10th anniversary).
So you're one of those Republican "takers" who hates the free market? I'm pretty happy with President Obama because his presidency has saved my investments and made me a lot of money.
Sabot,
You've posted a stance on original intent in regards to the 2nd Amendment, but you haven't shown how Obama's violated it. If that was the original intent of the 2nd and you believe we should follow original intent, then do you advocate for private ownership of ALL weapons, so that we may match the capability of standing armies? Also, why original intent here, and not in regards to slavery or voting rights? And if the founders wanted original intent, why did they write an entire section about how to go about amending the document.
Things change, in order to be relevant so must the interpretation of the Constitution. You might ask, how do we decide what gets changed, but we already have tests for that. SCOTUS has ruled that there is compelling state interest in regulating firearms, until Obama tries to TAKE THEM ALL, he hasn't violated anything.
The commerce being regulated in Obamacare isn't the insurance you have to buy, it's the medical care you will inevitably seek. Ergo, they aren't compelling or taxing you for NOT entering the stream of commerce, as you will eventually need a doctor. They're compelling or taxing how you PAY for that commerce, so the cost doesn't fall back on the rest of us.
Also, I appreciate your civility as well.
Backcounty,
Do you suggest we silence the press? However bias (both ways) they may currently be, that ain't gonna happen. However, do we really need another layer of goo (super pacs and rich people's money) coating our media outlets?
"You understand that nearly 50% of the country don't pay any taxes right?"
Please, please, please,PLEASE --- explain to me how NOT TO PAY ANY TAXES. I cannot figure it out. How do you keep from paying federal income taxes, state income taxes, local income taxes, sales taxes, real-estate taxes, gasoline taxes, taxes on electricity, water, natural gas, Social Security taxes, Medicare taxes and those are just the ones I can think of off the top of my head. I hear Republicans make that charge all the time --- 50% of the country don't pay any taxes!!! Again --- PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE tell me how to do that.
Really.
Facts:
Like almost everything else most Firearms are manufacturered external to the US as "Outsourced".
So to stop the "import" of Firearms into the US; as well as circumvent the 2nd Amendment from External to the US Political System (the United Nations), President Obama had his Presidentially Appointed US Ambassador to the United Nations attempt the United Nations Gun Control Treaty:
Democrats Oppose Obama-U.N. Gun Control Treaty
http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/washington-whispers/2011/07/26/democrats-oppose-obama-un-gun-control-treaty
I told all of you before STOP only Listening to what he says, RESEARCH what he is doing or did.
What does it say when his own Party objects.
FLINGING UNEDUCATED OPINONS AGAIN. GO RESEARCH THE US SUPREME COURT RULING (LEGAL PRECEDENCE) PERTAINING TO THE D.C. ANTI GUN LAWS.
President Obama, "Will not cost more" pertaining to his ACA. I told you before to READ the Whole ACA so that you KNOW the Cost and Where all the money is going.
I also previously quoted President Obama, Face the Nation, September 2009. So it is NOT like President Obama does not know how to fix US Health Care.
And I told you before STOP CONFUSING THE INSURANCE CORPORATIONS WITH THE MEDICAL PROFESSION (Health Care), as even in President Obama's Interview, Face the Nation, he STATED the Difference, as the Insurance Corporations being the MAIN PROBLEM. Your "Single Payer" still includes the MAIN PROBLEM (President Obama, the Insurance Corporations being the Main Problem, including the Insurance Corporations mismanagment of Medicare, etc.).
American Girl-724855,
you misquote at post#1.128:
I posted:
And just like Sarah-3043284, YOU (American Girl-724855) don't know squat about President Obama's ACA, nor his Motive for pushing ACA instead of actually fixing the problems with the US Health Care (the Insurance Corporations as the main problem).
TYPICAL OBAMA WORSHIPPERS AS WORSE THAN ISLAMIC JIHADISTS, DEFENDING PRESIDENT OBAMA WRONG OR RIGHT TO YOUR DEATHS, WORSE THAN ISLAMIC JIHADIST SUICIDE BOMBERS.
John McCain's performance in this hearing amounts to nothing more than grandstanding and badgering the witness.
When Hagel's nomination is approved, McCain will owe him an apology.
Time to retire to sunny Arizona, Senator Maverick.
You post that and then expect anyone to take you or your opinion seriously?
Take a hike. You need some fresh air.
Seriously, I already mentioned I wanted a single payer system and that it was The Heritage Foundations original idea. Also, if you want to get technical, it's the fact that insurance companies are exempt from anti-trust laws, that cause the problem.
And really, you should bring it down a notch. For America.
You go Sarah!!!
Your entire post # 1.135, all so, so true!
American,
I was able to articulate it in less then 26 paragraphs too. He should study Hemingway. Less is more, when writing.
Thank You!!!
And David, really??? SCOTUS hasn't ruled that we can regulate handguns????
Ever hear of Heller v DC??? They struck down those SPECIFIC regulations, not the right to REGULATION in general. Otherwise, why do we have gun laws RIGHT NOW? Why have guns been regulated? Why do we have any background checks?
From above...
The commerce being regulated in Obamacare isn't the insurance you have to buy, it's the medical care you will inevitably seek. Ergo, they aren't compelling or taxing you for NOT entering the stream of commerce, as you will eventually need a doctor. They're compelling or taxing how you PAY for that commerce, so the cost doesn't fall back on the rest of us.
And seriously, you have an anger problem.
SabotAndHeat
He also proposed it in 1997 (HJR 19), 1999 (HJR 17), 2001 (HJR 4), 2003 (HJR 11), 2005 (HJR 9), 2007 (HJR 8), 2009 (HJR 5) and 2011 (HJR 17).
Wow. He was doing this for Obama before he took office? The "Democratic cult" was doing it when Bush was in office too?
Bad legislation is attempted by both parties. I'm glad this fell flat on it's face, since I am a fan of term limits.
REPEAT THE SAME MISTAKES AND EXPECT DIFFERENT RESULTS, with you being Historically Illiterate based on your posts (observations not my opinion):
The Non Politically Correct History:
The Republic of America, Not a Democracy:
The Rich Elitist* Founding Fathers did not want to pay the "Tax the Rich", "Rich Pay Their Fair Share" of British Stamp Act Taxes, so they started the American Revolution. The stated (Historically Documented reasons for the British Taxes were to, fund the British Military to attack the French Colonies at the "Americas" to expand the British Colonies, fund the less profitable British Colonies, fund the Napoleonic Wars, etc..
*Back then inorder to get an Education you had to be a Business Owner or Plantation Owner (with Indentured Servants and or Slaves).
Being Educated, the Founding Fathers had read Plato's The Republic so their arguements (Congressional Records, Library of Congress) were, "The average citizen is too ignorant to determine the Highest Offices of the Land, President and Vice President" while establishing the Electoral College to maintain control, the excuse to the public was more equal representation; while establishing the Republic (NOT A Democracy) of America, they stated "Democracy is Mob Rule", and later on proving they were correct they got to witness the "Democracy is Mob Rule" as the French Reign of Terror.
During the US Supreme Court Ruling on the D.C. Anti Gun Laws, the US Supreme Court reviewed the Historical Perspective of the 2nd Amendment as:
Individual Firearms Ownership versus the Militias.
The Founding Fathers KNEW the difference between the Individuals ("Minutemen", no uniforms, volunteers of Shopkeeps, Merchants, Fur Trappers, Traders, Farmers, etc., also known as the "Unregulated Militias"); and the Organized Well Regulated Militias (predecessor to the States National Guard).
As the First Actions of British Generals Cornwallis and Henry Clinton (relative of Bill Clinton) was to first limit the types Firearms that could be owned; then to seize the any Firearms owned by the Colonists. Prior to even the start of the American Revolution (British "War of the Colonies") British Generals Cornwallis and Henry Clinton seized the Armories of the Well Organized Regulated Militias, causing the Founding Fathers and the Well Organized Regulated Militias to flee to the "Hot Bed of the Revolution", Philidelphia from the British Regulars (Military), British Bounty Hunters, British Loyalists, etc.. The Individuals held off the British Military until the Founding Fathers stopped squabbling about funding the First Continental Army and created the First Continental Army.
As far as recent History:
After Germany went into the Global Great Depression. Hitler formed his Sturmabteilung (SA) aka Brownshirts to use any means for his Political Party to get into power and control. When the SA disagreed with Hitlers "Tax the Rich", "Rich Pay Their Fair Share" of seizures of the property of the German Aristocrats (German Nobility), purge the German Military, etc., Hitler had the SA Eliminated and Replaced by his Political Labor Union, the National German Socialist Workers Party. After being "Elected" as Chancellor,
Chancellor Hitler stated, "All Loyal Germans must take back Germany from the Jews".
Recently:
"President Obama, this is your army. We are ready to march. Let's take these son of b!tches out and give America back to an America where we belong," US Labor Union Leader Jimmy Hoffa Junior during the President Obama Reelection Campaign. Stating the Murders of US Citizens that disagree with the Demoncraps. And President Obama standing there clapping; instead of having them arrested for Terroristic Threatening against US Citizens, Homegrown Domestic Terrorism against US Citizens, Conspiracy to Commit the Murders of US Citizens, etc..
So you tell me the difference (of intent) of the statement of US Labor Union Leader Jimmy Hoffa Junior during the President Obama Reelection Campaign and the statement by Chancellor Hitler.
President Obama's Elimination of Constitutional Rights, Amendments, Bill of Rights, etc.:
Did you ever bother to research the President Obama January 21, 2009 Patriot Acts (Plural US Laws, not the President Bush Patriot Act (Singular US Law)).
I see you might have glanced at President Obama's 2012 NDAA; however, you did not read the whole thing and President Obama's response after the US Courts Ruled the President Obama NDAA Unconstitutional, the US Courts asked President Obama if the Indefinite Detentions of US Citizens was still being done pending President Obama's Appeal, with President Obama stating "Executive Privlage" refusing to answer the US Courts.
I still don't get how your historical, unsubstantiated, conspiracy theories prove anything. You've plagerized all that before. What a waste of time.
And by the way, that IS your opinion. As you haven't proven anything.
Refusing to answer a simple "Yes" or "No" question ?
Yep, Hagel fits right in with Obama's Progressive administration.
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BTW: Progressives don't want to hear the TRUTH with references (they will call it "Spamming") nor someone else's "opinion".
Jimmy Hoffa's not a fascist dictator in control of an entire country and army. We have a national guard, police forces and military that would take them out if they tried. And he's been around long enough, as have the teamsters, that if they were going to try, they would have by now.
That's the thing about those genocidal maniacs, when they get the bee in their bonnet to extinguish and entire race of people, they don't @!$%# around.
And by the way, labor unions are left leaning, Hitler was right leaning.
That one was pretty simple. If you really can't differentiate between Hoffa and Hitler, I suggest you read a SECOND book on history, as the one and only that you seem to love so much that you quote it CONSTANTLY, has lead you astray.
Outside of NDAA, which I feel will eventually been eliminated via the judiciary, as will the Patriot Act, and as have ALL THE OTHER HISTORICAL LEGISLATIVE MISTAKES (i.e. suspension of Habaeus Corpus by Lincoln, Jim Crowe laws, internment...) you haven't shown how he's done any of that.
It doesn't matter how many times you post the same rambling historical mumbo jumbo, it doesn't make a legal case, and it isn't evidence.
Why wouldn't any American want government handling healthcare. Medicare is MUCH cheaper than traditional private insurance, and it's much more effective. In countries all across the globe, government handles healthcare in a more efficient manner than the private sector. Now I know that it is against your instinct to admit that the "free market" is imperfect, but please tell me why the private sector beats the public sector (government) at healthcare.
Technically, we are both, as in some cases we do vote on specific legislation as a people (mostly in states) and elect representatives to do the work for us. A republic is essentially an indirect democracy; the two are almost identical.
Actually, the Founding Fathers (who were rich and elite) did not want to pay taxes without representation; aka, they wanted a representative or two in Parliament before tax hikes were passed. The Stamp Act taxes were spread out evenly amongst rich and poor, as everything from letters (literate rich) to playing cards (poor) were taxed. And the Stamp Act was designed to pay for the debt incurred from the Seven Years' War with France (or the French and Indian War) and for the large British army stationed in the Thirteen Colonies to hold off any intruders and maintain law and order. Dude, read up on your history.
Backcountry164
Unfortunately for you, Backcountry, most (if not all) of these so-called "47%" DO pay Federal taxes. There are other federal taxes besides the income tax, such as gift taxes, gas taxes, tobacco and alcohol taxes, and payroll taxes.
This is just another piece of bull@!$%# from your party's extremist base. Liberals are not socialists; if we were, we would be advocating for the nationalization of the healthcare industry, instead of just the health insurance industry. We're not even close; Dwight D. Eisenhower raised taxes to 94% of all income and presided when the corporate tax was nearly 50%, and yet I don't see you calling him a socialist, do I??? The Democratic Party is far to the right of the old Democrats, the ones who vigorously pursued the establishment of the modern welfare state via the New Deal and Great Society. Modern Democrats have compromised with Republicans on almost EVERYTHING, from healthcare (based on Heritage Foundation, as Sarah said) to the environment (cap and trade was originally a "free market" solution to climate change) to even deficit reduction (proposing 2:1 spending cuts to tax hikes instead of a real 1:1 compromise). Party conventions are where the activists of both parties make their case; I guess you forgot Barry Goldwater in '64 or Pat Buchanan in '92.
YES, I AM A "HATER", I HATE STUP!D.
Ignorance, Ignorant meaning not knowning.
Stup!d means being told, so no longer ignorant, no ignorance as a lame excuse.
STOP READING SOMEONE ELSE'S INTERPRETATION OF THE US SUPREME COURT RULING AGAINST THE D.C. ANTI GUN LAW AS UNCONSTITUTIONAL.
AND AGAIN YOU CONFUSE THE INSURANCE CORPORATIONS WITH HEALTH CARE (MEDICAL PROFESSION).
Do you honestly believe that I want: The Use of Deadly Force Against US Citizens. As ordered or face a Summary Execution and all family members, relatives, etc. indefinitely detained subject to extraordinary interrogations as possible co conspirators to "Treason" (my disobeying the Orders or not Ordering my Subordinates). Historically, unlike the 1990s Poll of the US Military (including States National Guard and Reserves) that most would not obey that Order; most of us know the repercussions of disobeying that Order.
Unlike your Academic Idealist Not of the Real World Propaganda, what I am posting is of the Real World Life or Death School of Hard Knocks, people Dying or Dead as a Result.
Attempts do not count, go look at what Bills the Demoncraps passed into US Laws. As well as to circumvent the "Obstructionist" US Congress "The Will of the People", the President Obama Executive Orders, Policies, Memorandums, etc..
Yes, we failed; those of us that watched the US Senate S.1959 and US House of Representatives H.R.1955, then started online campaigns as the S.1959 and H.R.1955 also known as the George Orwell, 1984, Thought Crimes Laws (the written or witnessed verbal thought is the crime, not only the actions), were eventually Ruled Unconstitutional. All of us then thought they (US Congress) would not attempt that again.
In 2009 President Obama signed his January 21, 2009 Patriot Acts. Expanded Presidential Powers, etc.. Then some of us saw, "Anyone stating a radical change to (US) Government is a Homegrown Domestic Terrorist" directly from S.1959 and H.R.1955; so we failed. Then we read the rest of President Obama's January 21, 2009 Patriot Acts (Plural US Laws) making S.1959 and H.R.1955 seem unimportant compared to the rest.
Well, considering I'm not on the SCOTUS (yet) there's nothing BUT other people's interpretation of it to read, as I did not write the opinion.
No, they're two distinct things. I don't know how to make it any simpler...
The commerce being regulated in Obamacare isn't the insurance you have to buy, it's the medical care you will inevitably seek. Ergo, they aren't compelling or taxing you for NOT entering the stream of commerce, as you will eventually need a doctor. They're compelling or taxing how you PAY for that commerce, so the cost doesn't fall back on the rest of us.
Can you quote where I said you did? Although, I am beginning to wonder. You sound a little unhinged in your overly dramatic anger.
And there we have it. The conspiracy theory, liberal media propaganda claims begin. That about says it all. Anyone who "scorns" academic, pretty much discredits themselves. What you call "propaganda" and "academic idealism" the rest of the world calls FACTS. I'm sorry they don't conincide with what you want to believe.
YEP, It surely was a marathon! Now Fuc^ups like McPain will have the chance to say how much they contributed to Nothing. Maybe a personal consolation for being one of the most hated individuals inside the most hated and lowest rated branch of our government?
Now, Hagel will take the job and laugh about his inquisitor's foolishness, wait to go America! We're definitely getting closer to that imaginary moment (where fake heroes like david-475776, who never served in their lives try to convince others of their military experience and wisdom).
Surely is a a fu^% up world we live in!
Lilli,
Take hope in the fact that I don't believe David is convincing too many of us.
The Taxation without Representation was the propaganda that they fed to the average Colonists (that is why the British Loyalists did not buy off on that, and remained British Loyalists eventhough most knew that they would NEVER return to England, after the Armerican Revolution most fled to Canada or Nova Scotia.).
The Taxation without Representation was just like the propaganda of the War of 1812:
Did the U.S. lose the War of 1812?
http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=50139940n
If you bother to do the actual indepth Research into the Events, you will find that the actual History is NOT the same as wikipedia, most History Books, nor what is commonly believed, etc.. With many things burried deep within the Library of Congress and other Nation's Historical Archives.
Also go reread the actual British Stamp Act Documents. The people that paid the MAJORITY of the British Stamp Act Taxes were the Rich, NOT evenly distributed amongst the rich and poor.
Sarah-3043284
I suggest that we stop making excuses and pretending that if the money went away things would magically change. And the bias in the media is most definitely slanted more in one direction than the other. Apparently you think that is fine as there is nothing we can do about it. Well, the same holds true for your complaint. The SCOTUS has ruled and there is no reason to believe 2/3's of the states would ratify the Constitution. And of course the reality is that the people with the money would just find new ways to spend it. How many "media" organizations are Soros and Murdoch supporting now?
The freedom of speech should not be diminished just because some people have a louder voice and other people are stupid enough to listen.
Back,
Yes, the press still being bias would be a problem, but here's what wouldn't. Legislatures being promised cushy, high priced jobs at lobbyist firms. Anonymous Super pacs. Campaign contributions, which are really just bribes in order to protect certain interests.
Come on, you can't really believe that money in politics is a good thing???
TO: david-475776 who wrote:
I didn't "misquote" anyting. I cut and paste. So there it is verbatim, and speaking for President Clinton, I think he would ask you to "get up off of his junk".
As to Republicans and ACA: Republicans could have "fixed the problems" themselves but they were waaay too busy obsessing over President Obama.
Republicans totally wasted the past 4 years doing NOTHING because they thought THEY could get ahead that way, and just flipped off the American People. Republicans intentionally stalled our economic recovery because that's what they thought was best FOR THEM, NOT FOR THE AMERICAN PEOPLE!!!
Tell us, whatever happened to that JOBS JOBS JOBS plan Republicans said they had, which they used to lie their way into office during the last mid-terms?
Proof you have NEVER lived at the "Rest of the World".
TYPICAL ANTICIPATED ATTEMPT TO DISCREDIT THE PERSON NOT THE FACTS POSTED.
Still pissed, lilirocks that I proved just how wrong you were on other posts (other topic). With everyone else laughing at your uneducated posts.
I am not nor will ever be a "hero", i am a survivor, as far as my being in the US Military, how about coming here and visiting.
Why is it that everyones panty's are in a twist because McCain wanted a simple yes or no answer? If you've ever had to serve on a jury or you have a jury trial, they want simple yes or no questions. I don't like McCain but, come on, just answer the question
Sarah-3043284
No I don't but I can think of many things that are protected by our Constitution that are not "good" things. Should we ban everything that is "bad"? And who gets to set the definition of what is "good" and what is "bad"?? I suspect there are quite a few people that you would not want to give that authority to.
This is just another Repub dog and pony show, clowns will be clowns !
Well then, apparently our Founding Fathers led us to revolution with blatant lies so that they wouldn't spare a few pennies in taxes. I highly doubt that (even though I state that our Founding Fathers were imperfect) because it would be highly risky to do so and that it sounds unreasonable to start an entire revolution over paying a tiny amount in taxes. Taxation without representation and meddling in political and economic affairs in the colonies sounds more realistic.
No, we didn't lose the War of 1812. We also didn't have a clear win, as we didn't conquer Canada (or gain any territory) and the main thing we fought for ended a few weeks before the war began. But, we did establish our independence from Britain in that rematch and rebuked the faction of Britons that wanted to take us back.
If you bother to do the actual indepth Research into the Events, you will find that the actual History is NOT the same as wikipedia, most History Books, nor what is commonly believed, etc.. With many things burried deep within the Library of Congress and other Nation's Historical Archives.
The Stamp Act essentially taxed the usage of stamps, which were required to be put on a number of items, including playing cards, dice, and ordinary strips of paper. As far as I know, a helluva lot of poor people played cards and dice. And besides, your point doesn't mean that we shouldn't raise taxes on the wealthy and consider such a thing anathema to our history (our history proves the opposite point).
Sarah-3043284, American Girl-724855,
Typical name calling HYPOCRITES:
President Obama's 2013 Inaugural Speech:
I also asked you to Research the President Obama January 21, 2009 Patriot Acts (Plural US Laws) and all you keep posting is the Bush Patriot Act (Singular US Law).
I want you to do your own Research so that you will not call yourselves Liars, "Conspiracy Theorists", "Wearing a Tin Foil Hat", etc.. And your own Research is more valuable to you.
Your claim of "Plagerizing" nope, that is my own Detailed Research minus alot of the rest of Who, What, Why, When, How, Where, etc. that I have pages of Research from, as well as all the links, and references.
If you cannot tie in the statement of Chancellor Hitler to US Labor Union Leader Hoffa Junior, that is your lack of cognitive reasoning.
First you have to show them to be facts. As I've said, you've yet to prove that. And sorry, I'm also a big fan of calling out crazy as I see it. Especially since reasoned debate is NOT possible with crazy.
Also, this coming from the man that previously compared us to Jihadists.
Prove your own point, and prove it in a credible manner, and then we'll talk.
Seriously, you've raised the bar, buddy.
@ David(some numbers):
Can you show where the US government/military/law enforcement under the Obama Admin., has gone after and detained without trial/killed US citizens who were NOT terrorists or bent on harming Americans and the US?
Of course you can't.
Our law enforcement establishment kills Americans(criminals/armed perpetrators) that are trying to harm/kill other Americans, on an almost daily basis.
They've been doing so LONG before Obama was elected, and they will continue to do so LONG after he is out of the WH.
I bet you support the right of Americans, to kill other Americans in cases of self defense or saving others.
But it's suddenly bad when the Obama approves of doing so with terrorists or enemies of the US(citizens or not)?
Obama haters like yourself, who are always yelling "squirrel!", are the reasons why your opinions are so readily discounted, ridiculed, or ignored.
American Lobo
Fail. No LEO can take the life of anyone unless there is an immediate threat to the life of another. A cop can't just shoot someone because that person is suspected of murder. Did you have any other apples that you want to compare to oranges?
Those people are no worse than the Obama puppets. Look at this page for examples of such. Hagel looked like a @!$%#ing idiot today but there are plenty of people here supporting him nonetheless as they obviously didn't pay any attention to the hearing.
Freshieee,
In their achieves, the IRS, Smithsonian, British Imperial War Museum, has some of the History of what the British Stamp Act Taxes were: Who, What, How, Why, etc.. By the way it was not just a few pennies, the British prior to emptying their Debtor Prisons was the precedence as to the extent of British Tax Collections.
The British at the time had one big problem, they did not have very many Tax Collectors at the Colonies; as before the British had emptied out their Debtor Prisons and sent the prisoners as Indentured Servants on one way boat trips to the Colonies (including later Penal Colony Australia). Being a British Tax Collector (imposing the Stamp Act Taxes) was a life threatening career. They were also sending many of the "Disgraced British Military" on one way trips to the Colonies as well as their "hatred" (understatement) of the Irish.
The Method of How, the British Tax Collectors imposed (place on most things, physical stamps of King George) the Stamp Act Taxes (Hint: including the "Tea Tax"), is what you want to Research. Also listed were the Reasons for the Implementation of the British Stamp Act Taxes, As one of the main reasons that the French at the Colonies (Southwestern, not the Northern) hated the British. At home, not here, I have a copy printed on parchment papers of the Stamp Act Taxes.
Sarah-3043284 - First you have to show them to be facts.
You First. And Innocent until proven Guilty, disprove what I posted are NOT Facts. What do you want me to do post pages of references, photos, links, for each, then have you make snide remarks like your post#1.137.
BOTTOMLINE: "YOU CANNOT STAND THE TRUTH".
UN inquiry says Israel must end settlements
Investigators conclude all Israeli settlement activity in West Bank is unlawful and must cease "immediately".
On Thursday, the Israeli foreign ministry again said that the council was "systematically one-sided and biased".
Unprecedented boycott
The HRC investigators interviewed more than 50 people who came to Jordan in November to testify about confiscated land, damage to their livelihoods including olive trees, and violence by Jewish settlers, according to the report.
"The mission believes that the motivation behind this violence and the intimidation against the Palestinians as well
as their properties is to drive the local populations away from their lands and allow the settlements to expand," it said.
Because of the settlements, Palestinians' human rights "are being violated consistently and on a daily basis", the three independent experts said.
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2013/01/2013131101929493601.html
David,
That's not how it works. You want ME to believe what YOU say, ergo YOU have to prove it. You don't get to post whatever and then make me disprove it, nor are you entitled to my belief without a credible case. I'm not asking you to believe ME, if I was, I'd post a credible case. If I were to follow your line of thinking, I'd tell you that vampires live in Washington state, post the book Twilight as evidence, and then tell you to prove me wrong. Now how would that go over with you?
No snide comments only happen when you present something as fact, without actually showing it to be fact.
But I am really good at "snide".
Here are some his most troubling quotes, as reported by the Weekly Standard.
On Israel:
-- Hagel, in 2007: The Israelis have “chained down [the Palestinians] for many, many years. ... But when people have no hope, when there’s despair, little else matters. And this is not about terrorists don’t like freedom. Tell that to the Palestinian people who have been chained down for many, many years.”
-- Hagel, in 2003: Israel "keep[s] Palestinians caged up like animals."
-- Hagel, in 2006: Accused Israel of performing a "sickening slaughter" against members of the Iran-backed Hezbollah terrorist group.
-- Hagel, in 2009: Signed a public letter in favor of direct negotiations with the terrorist group Hamas.
-- Hagel, in 2006: “The political reality is that … the Jewish lobby intimidates a lot of people up here. ... Let me clear something up here if there’s any doubt in your mind. I’m a United States Senator. I’m not an Israeli senator. I’m a United States Senator. I support Israel. But my first interest is, I take an oath of office to the constitution of the United States. Not to a president, not to a party, not to Israel.”
On Iran:
-- Hagel, in 2006, speaking in Islamabad, Pakistan, Hagel: “A military strike against Iran, a military option, is not a viable, feasible, responsible option.”
-- Hagel, in 2008: “Iran will not be deterred from developing nuclear arms only because the United States and the EU say they must—especially if they feel threatened and if the United States, Great Britain, France, and Israel, among others, all retain their nuclear weapons.”
-- Hagel, in 2006: Refused to ask that the Iran’s Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) be designated a terrorist organization.
On U.S. defense matters:
-- Hagel, in 2009: Hagel agreed with an Al Jazeera caller that the U.S. is “the world’s bully.”
-- Hagel, in 2012: "[R]ecommended deep reductions in the U.S. nuclear inventory and eventually retiring intercontinental ballistic missiles, which form the land leg of the military’s nuclear triad of land, sea and air delivery platforms — that has drawn the most scrutiny."
-- Hagel, in 2011: "The Defense Department, I think, in many ways, has become bloated. ... In many ways I think the Pentagon needs to be pared down."
You First. And Innocent Until Proven Beyond a Reasonable Doubt that my posts are Not Facts.
Don't even attempt to taunt me. I can give you names (Last, First), and where they are at. Hint: if you define someone as a "Terrorist" for writing or saying something, ok, then those US Citizens are terrorists and belong in Preemptive Detention Indefinitely (I told you that President Obama used Executive Privilage not to answer the US Courts when asked if this was going on pending his Appeal to the 2012 NDAA being Ruled Unconstitutional).
Like I told Sarah-3043284, American Girl-724855 go do your own Research, so that you don't start the typical name calling.
I don't care what you think as, Sarah-3043284 "Don't confuse me with the Facts, My mind is made up".
Like I stated before due to your Academic Idealism you cannot tell the difference between Facts of the Real World Life or Death School of Hard Knocks and La La Land of Academic Idealism.
Logic would very easily disprove your Illogical arguement (this equivalent to that). And that is NOT the same way of thinking, just your emotive non factual opinon.
Sarah - I sure do have to give you a standing ovation - Bravo, Bravo - for hanging in their and remaining calm, cool and organized in your facts and responses. You have demonstrated way more patience than I could have in dealing with the pseudo-intellectual right wing gas bags on here today. Are you an attorney?
Kim,
Not yet. ;) Working towards it. And, thanks!
David,
Did I miss you being under oath, credible and vetted as an expert witness??? Huh??? Okay, just as soon as you prove me wrong about those vampires. Here's my link...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twilight_%28series%29
Until you can prove they don't exist, you can't say I'm lying.
And by the way, EVIDENCE, as to WHY you're right, would be on you to present to me, you still haven't.
Freshieee
I've already addressed this (thanks for paying attention) and as I've pointed out twice already, given the context of my entire statement anyone with half a brain realized that I was referring to Fed income tax.
You mean the libertarian party or do you just make any assumption that fits your pre-conceived gripe? Again I'll thank you for paying attention (sarcastically of course) as the point that I was making is that generalizations based upon the fringe should NOT be used to characterize the whole. Case in point, Bernie Sanders is most definitely a "liberal" and he is an avowed socialist but obviously it would be wrong to call all liberals socialists just because one actually is. Get it?? Is there anything else that you obviously couldn't grasp that you need to have me explain?
The GOP Tea Party criticizes people within their party that they are jealous of. Chuck Hagel then, must be a much better man, more qualified for the job, than they could hope to be.
Former Senator Chuck Hagel -- President Obama's nominee to be the next U.S. Secretary of Defense -- had a terrible hearing on Capitol Hill today. CNN Congressional correspondent Dana Bash said Senators were "shocked" by how "ill-prepared" Hagel was. Liberal commentators on Twitter called Hagel's performance a "disaster."
http://freebeacon.com/cnn-senators-shocked-at-how-ill-prepared-hagel-is/
For me, the performance further underscored why he is a TERRIBLE choice to be Secretary of Defense and will send exactly the wrong message to Iran and our other enemies around the globe.
http://www.politico.com/story/2013/01/chuck-hagel-faces-critics-on-hill-86991_Page2.html
http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/hagel-i-dont-know-enough-about-defense-department_699100.html
http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2013/01/31/mccain-hagel-and-the-surge-video-and-transcript/
And yet, when all is said and done, Chuck Hagel comes out looking like the strong diplomat and courageous American he is known to be. McCain and Lindsey - they come out looking like pitiable excuses for men and there are questions about them that will still need to be answered. Hopefully their constituents will have enough sense to vote them out next election for being the partisan hacks they have become!
This Rep./T.P. Is not a loyal opposition .It is a Destructive force that is destroying the U.S.A. in any way that it can.It is neither trying to protect our Government from making mistakes nor showing possible better ways to function.They and their supporters will not be content until we crash into a second rate power. The big problem is that what they are destroying, they are incapable of putting back together.Their supporters are cheering from the wings,overwhelmed with hatred for our elected Government and so consumed with hatred that they, with this evil right wing group, that has taken over the Republican Party have no conception of the cost that their intense hatred will cost,not only us true American Citizens,but those ignorant ,savage idiots who are willing to commit suicide along with this country, as long as it consumes we the average U.S.Citizens.
WOW. YOU'RE ALL BEING PLAYED! Psych warfare officers from Ft. Bragg are "WORKING" in all the major network HQ'S to keep the sheeple (righties, lefties, everyone) in line. It's all about the money. When the sh!t goes down it'll be class warfare. Always has been, always will be!
What has happened to SWen. John McCain?
I used to have so much respect for him, I admired him greatly. He was always moderate in his tone, balanced in his rhetoric, a strait-shooter when it came to speaking the truths that so many Americans felt was wrong with the US Congress ... and speaking those truths directly to his fellow US Senators. Remember McCain/Feingold Campaign Finance Reform? He fought tooth & nail against his own party to try to make the Congress better, and more responsive to the needs and expectations of Americans.
But for the past four or five years he has seemed more like an angry and petulent little man, growing angrier and more surly and uncivil by the day. Watching his manner and demeanor in questioning former Sen. Hagel, today - a man who used to be his good friend - was truly embarrassing. Sen. McCain came across today as an overly agressive, rude, demagogue. He treated his former friend and former fellow US Senator with total disrespect, and he was downright abusive.
I so wish that Sen. McCain had retired in 2008 or before with his good reputation and his dignity intact. I can't help but wonder as we witness more and more displays like we watched today, if John McCain has a developing personality disorder, or has some form of advancing dementia?
It just mnakes me sad. I don't want his legacy to be what we are seeing now, but rather the John McCain we once admired.
Lawrence O'Donnell said tonight they asked everything except questions about what they should have asked. So true.
Every bad thing that you ever heard about a Republican, is a lie from a liberal Democrat.
"The Biden/Feinstein Columbine Massacre" was done during a gun ban and the shooters were children of democrats. The Aurora colorado theatre massacre was done by a registered Democrat. The Sandy Hook school shooting was done by a son of a Registered Democrat. The Fort Hood shooting was done by a registered Democrat.
They are taking lives and giving theirs to take our rights. Like a suicide bomber.
Bounce this moron to the curb. Another failed nomination from the Failure in Chief. This guy has more twists and curves in his stories than the Snake River.
FedupwithFed,
On the contrary, the Repubs are happy to obstruct and ask outlandish questions which have absolutely nothing to do with being Sec of Defense.
FYI: there are a lot of opposition groups spending millions of dollars ... runnings ads on TV, on radio and online", to keep him from being confirmed.
Isn't that the Repug way. Lie, Lie, Lie and encourage Americans to vote against themselves?
Chuck is a good pick. He is a strategist thinker. St. Reagan wanted to get rid of nuclear weapons.
SeekingSanity....."Chuck Hagel comes out looking like the strong diplomat and courageous American he is known to be". What confirmation hearing were YOU watching today. Oh, that's right, you and your left leaning ilk ALWAYS view everything through the Blue colored glasses. And you wonder why no one takes anything you guys say seriously.
Yep, you just shot yourself down and took your pussy kimH-1330542 with you, making all your posts NON FACTUAL by using wikipedia as anything credible:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:General_disclaimer
Still waiting for you to tell me who President Obama's Buddy, "Mr.Corporate America" is. Takes real cognitive research skills and cognitive skills to figure that out.
What next you going to use motherjones as a valid source, (motherjones as funded by the DNC with $50,000).
Pathetic Sarah-3043284, kimH-1330542, lack of cognitive research skills. Only name calling as a violation of what your messiah stated in his 2013 Inaugural Speech as what YOU must not do. And then more of the well the Repugnants did that so it is good for the Demoncraps to do the same also (against the DNC Party Platform).
Rubio will vote against Chuck Hagel
Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.) announced that he will vote against confirming Hagel, citing issues with the former senator on Cuba, Iran, Israel, North Korea, and defense budgets."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2013/01/31/rubio-will-vote-against-chuck-hagel/
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Was that before or after he fled Fidel Castro? No because Rubio lied his parents left pre-Castro.
Such a flamboyant liar, that Rubio. Rubio is not prepared to make any statements on security or immigration. He is a back stabber and a liar.
If every nations army that opposed us was classified as a terror organization, how may governments would be left not being considered terrorists? how many nations would then call us a terror organization? Senator Hagel was right in his statements, it's sad to see him bullied into changing the truth for lies.
So from Grahm's questions and statements. When palestinians kill israelis, they are terrorists, But when israel kills palestinians it's not? And yes the isreali lobby does in fact intimidate. when anyone dares to question it or isreal, they are called "anti-semites" which is kind of strange cause the palestinians are from the same semitic tribes as the Jews.
So where was senator Grahm when the stern gang and Irgun where killing unarmed palestinians in 1945 and beyond? Where was senator Grahm when the USS liberty was savagely attacked and US sailors were murdered? he was probably kissing Golda's ring.
Senator Hagel, you should not have backed down from the truth. you can never end terrorism unless ALL people are treated with justice. I don't think senator Grahm knows the meaning of that word. nor does he care.
Republicans still don't understand, that their tactics, including talking over people instead of letting them answer a question is part of their demise. Today's young people are not stupid, they understand the tactic, they understand that people like senator Grahm are nothing more the4n common bullies lost in their own agendas. As my generation dies off, the new generation will have less and less to do with republicans. somehow the old people think they can control the next generation from the grave by legislation. not gonna work.
it also strikes me as odd, that the organization that the republicans wanted labeled terrorists is called the "REPUBLICAN" guard. lol it's just so telling.
The only real way to protect Isreal, is to go back to the un borders, close all so called settlements, allow food and medical supplies into Gaza and allow them to be a "free people"., and put a neutral force between Isreal and the palestinian states. But isreal needs to steal the water from the west bank. so that just won't do.
Iamnotyou
Every bad thing that you ever heard about a Republican, is a lie from a liberal Democrat.
Iamnotyou,
You wouldn't know a lie if it bites you in your ass.
Beverly in Chicago
ROTFLMAO! He is a "good" pick in that he will be another "yes man" for Obama and will not be required to do any thinking of any sort. With Clinton and Panetta gone that will now be the makeup of his entire cabinet and advisers.
The irony is that this guys flip-flops more than Romney which, as last I recall, liberals viewed as a bad thing. Funny how quickly that changes isn't it?
SeekingSanity
OMG! LOL! You obviously didn't watch even one minute of it. He looked like a total moron. The Democrats had to keep "correcting" and "clarifying" what the hell he was saying before they could even ask him a question. This guy made GWB sound like a friggin poet laureate by comparison.
When you compare this "performance" to that of Clinton a few days ago... It's easy to see which direction this President wants to go with his chief advisers. He wants people who will just STFU and do what they're told.
It gives our tax paying dollars to planned parent hood who is in the business of butchering women and unborn babies.
2012 wasnt all that bad a year , Nurses got their right not to be forced to help assist in abortions if it was against their beliefs. Thats a positive thing.
States are enacting laws to prevent planned parenthood and other abortion clinics from receiving tax dollars. Thats a good thing.
Funny most women forget about their rights when they open up their legs to an enticing , smooth silver tongue devil man. At least I took precautions to avoid getting a girl pregnant. Because I know if I got one pregnant, then it is my responsibility to raise that child and take care of the woman. Funny how america seems to have lost such a good value.
There is no reason for we as a civilized society ( most of the time i disgree with that ) we shouldnt even be thinking about murdering our children in their mothers wombs. It just boggles my mind. Where are your unborns childs right to live ? Just think how you love your kids , if you have any..They come to you for protection, they want and need to feel your love, and what is the best you can give them ? Betrayal ? End their life, cut them into little pieces and suck them out. Feel like I am watching a horror movie.
No Bev, its the LIBERAL way!
Many democrats are against Hagel too.....so what is your excuse for that?
Bob Schieffer is on CBS this morning saying "Obama was disappointed with Hagel's answers yesterday"
"He really didn't seem to be able to answer the questions"
Go ahead Bev....defend that!
Hagel looked woefully unprepared for the questioning. Hagel couldn't even explain any of his previous comments, let alone what the Obama strategies are for the Middle East. He looked like fool, and his confirmation is going to run into some Democrat resistance now that he has presented himself so poorly.
David,
Uh, did you read the post. That was a link to TWILIGHT, as in the cheesy vampire series, to show you how ridiculous your claim of "prove me wrong, by proving my point for me" was.
Here, read it again...
That's not how it works. You want ME to believe what YOU say, ergo YOU have to prove it. You don't get to post whatever and then make me disprove it, nor are you entitled to my belief without a credible case. I'm not asking you to believe ME, if I was, I'd post a credible case. If I were to follow your line of thinking, I'd tell you that vampires live in Washington state, post the book Twilight as evidence, and then tell you to prove me wrong. Now how would that go over with you?
Did I miss you being under oath, credible and vetted as an expert witness??? Huh??? Okay, just as soon as you prove me wrong about those vampires. Here's my link...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twilight_%28series%29
Until you can prove they don't exist, you can't say I'm lying.
Are you so excited about your faux intellect, and threatened by people who make you defend it (probably because you know you can't) that you aren't even reading before responding?
Holy @!$%#, now THAT gave me a chuckle.
Perhaps John Kerry could look into Al Gore's links to foreign interest with his recent huge income increase through foreign oil - which he has protested against - and made millions on for years
John Kerry and Al Gore - two ultra rich democrats - selling the we're on your side fable - for years
So rich they make Mitt Romney - look middle class - oh the hypocrisy continues
@Sarah-3043284
I admire your patience to set david-475776 in his place and kudos for that.
If you look at David's homepage you would see he is seriously ill up there on the roof and he lives somewhere in La-la land he calls his military home. All his ramblings here and through Newsvine are nothing but cut and paste and Plagiarism. He truly thinks he has the answer to everything and he hates everything Democratic, which he demonizes. Actually, if he was near a real lifetime soldier as he claims to be (only in his imagination) he wouldn't be speaking horrors about his Commander in Chief and cabinet. It's always illegal and a violation of the Uniform Code of Military Justice to bash the president or other elected officials.
The advantage and disadvantage of the Internet is anonymity, and anyone can say he/she is anything they want to be.
Though I have him on "Ignore" so I don't need to come up with his extensive diatribe, I can warn you his mind will tell him he "won" every argument and he "teached every one a lesson", so you should expect his conclusion after the argument is over. Pathetic!
Lili,
Thanks for the heads up. And in case you didn't know, I'm a brain surgeon, with a PhD in theoretical physics from Oxford which I received when I was twelve. I've also climbed Everest, turned down a marriage proposal from Channing Tatum and once saved a baby from the jaws of a great white shark.
What the hell a baby was doing in the ocean was beyond me. ;)
WTF is wrong with congress?? They are worried about this guy..hell..worry about the 49ERS..they will get their butts kicked from the RAVENS..Ravens 35..49ERS 21.
Sarah-3043284,
HYPOCRITE,
Hold yourself to your own Standards:
And YOU, Sarah-3043284, posted #1.169 your uneducated this is equal to that illogical arguement as Twilight as something Factual, that I proved was NOT, by proving your link above is stated as NOT Valid by the Source (Wikipedia) themselves:
My Response #1.182:
And lilirocks, Sarah-3043284, because you have NOTHING factual to add to Newsvines "Get Smarter Here", you must do personal attacks to make yourselves seem smart, eventhough your easily disproved emotive non factual posts prove you lack cognitive research skills and lack of firsthand experience.
lilirocks, when have you ever served in the US Military. Your ignorance of the US Military (Laws, UCMJ) is obvious, as after the My Lai Massacre, US Military Personnel are no longer mindless robots that you demand as reflected by the current UCMJ, and DOD Policies.
Attorneys, Lawyers, by Training Win Their Arguements by any means, including exclusion of Facts as Irrelevant, Errors of Omission (Aka Legalese term for LIES).
Examples:
lilirocks - @Sarah-3043284 - If you look at David's homepage you would see he is seriously ill up there on the roof and he lives somewhere in La-la land he calls his military home.
As anyone that is smarter then them only already KNOWS
to click on the upper left corner david-475776
With my "homepage" stating":
got something for you to watch and learn from kimH-1330542, Sarah-3043284, et al.,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSkv_29Rncg
Even if it was attempt at sarcasm Sarah-3043284,, easily proven false by clicking on Sarah-3043284
http://sarah3043284.newsvine.com/_news/2012/11/04/14914276-for-charlie
The rest at, can see why lilirocks must attempt to denegrate others:
http://lilirocks.newsvine.com/?more=About
David,
Take heed of the adage Better to Remain Silent and Be Thought a Fool than to Speak and Remove All Doubt
Will you marry me Sarah?
I agree with you about Wikipedia, It is incredibly Bias source, that leans very much to left , main stream liberal world view.
When people quote wiki, I just look on..
He's a Repubilcan that wasn't afraid to call George W Bush an idiot, what's not to like...
Newbook, this confirmation hearing is the most fun I''ve had since the Republicans demonstrated their overall inanity with the Benghazi hearings. How refreshing, a Republican who speaks power to truth, and doesn't seem to be in the pocket of the MIC.
There are many such, for example, Jon Huntsman; who, interestingly enough, was asked not to attend the Republican Convention in Tampa.
Or, then, of course, you have Michael Steele, former RNC Chairman. Contrast him with Reince Preibus, current Chairman. Mr Steele led his party to a stunning victory in 2010. Democrats suffered the worse defeat of the century in the Federal government, and lost a vast number of Governerships as well. By contrast, Mr Preibus led his party to an equally stunning defeat two years later: in 2012, not a single Democrat office-holder lost his or her seat, whereas the Republicans were decimated.
As a reward for their achievements, Mr Steele was voted out of office when he ran for re-election. By contrast when Mr Preibus came up for re-election, he won handily.
Makes a lot of sense, doesn't it?
Well said - both of you..
“a recent trend of policy reversals that seem based on political expediency rather than on core beliefs” and accused him of a willingness to “walk back or alter his positions” in an attempt to win Senate confirmation.
Sounds like he'll be a perfect fit for this current administration...
Wow, newbook, thanks for identifying the main requirement for being a lefty.....calling conservatives juvenile names. We know that you are ALL good at that, just from logging on to Newsvine and reading your hateful crap.
Eileen, it's really too bad that one of the four Americans slaughtered in Benghazi wasn't one of your family members; if that were the case, then maybe you'd feel differently about parroting the lame DNC excuses for it.
newbook, the reason is simple enough. Hagel went to Nam, Bush went to Alabama (but was AWOL from their ANG). But we are wising up, their last boy went to France, (but not AWOL).
Spider
Well, George Bush lost over 3000 people on 9-11 because he was on vacation and didn't read his intel briefings. Ronald Reagan sent troops into Lebanon where over 230 marines lost their lives while they were asleep, and you cite the incident at Benghazi as some apocalyptic event, what are you? A micro-cephalic?
Calling George Bush an idiot is not name calling, its branding, the only President in history to start two unfunded wars and cut taxes, and on top of all that he lied to congress about the reasons to go to war in Iraq, so how many Americans lost their lives in that unnecessary endeavor? How many are permanently crippled, and you have the gall to compare Benghazi under Obama to the moronic actions of the previous republican administrations.
Just wait Steve. Obama has four more years and Al Qaeda is NOT dead and plotting as we type. I pray to God they do nothing but it remains to be seen. Bush was only 8 months into his presidency and followed in the steps of Clinton and his "leave Osama alone" and he also bombed Iraq. Don't count your chickens and blame the farm dog for one of them being missing until the day is over. Obama is weak as a leader and they know it.
Oh edge,your boy went to Pakistan,your other hero,clinton went to england.
talk
Weak doesn't even describe him. He is a Friend to the Taliban. He supports them in their effort to destroy America. He is one with them.
Benghazi was worse because it could have been prevented. There was time and people and machines in place to stop it. What makes it worse is they watched and did nothing. The morons on the left do not care about what is right and good. It goes against there beliefs.
TTTH... You're an Al Qaeda cheerleader. Probably have the short skirt and pom-poms to prove it. You actually hope they pull something devastating off just to make a negro look bad. Why do you use the American flag as your pic? Can't find a 'Merkin one?... Here's a hint: The 'Merkin version is all white.
You obviously don't really pray to God that nothing happens... And even if you faked it, I don't think the creator would waste time on people like you. You are Faux American, nothing more. Just another senseless 'Merkin that hates all other Americans... And a big sissy.
Steve, don't waste your time on her, she's a trollop!
Filibuster Hagel. He is a bum.
talk to
Your hatred is showing LOUD and clear. You want the US to have a national tragedy just so YOU and the rest of the knuckle draggier (TRAITOR comes to mind)
You really Hate it don't ya that Obama HAS been so successful against terrorists (think Bin-Laden)???
And You served When? You need to find out WHY you hate this country!
Troll on moron.
John McCain is a shadow of his former self.
Just once I wish someone would have the nutsack to ask him a YES or NO question about his Keating 5 involvement. And I mean in retaliation for McCain's 'sudden' found religion on all questions being literal, black/white answers. War policy is complex. War positions SHOULD be nuanced. Supporting or withholding support is based on multiple factors wherein HINDSIGHT is always useful.
Why doesn't anyone shut that @!$%# (mccain) up with a right hook to his recent conversion to extremism?
I used to enjoy watching Republicans eat their own. But this unified front against Hagel is nothing by a coordinated attack against an Obama pick. It is shameful the depths they are willing to go to stomp their feet and hold their breath.
Color me completely unimpressed and FED UP with their Obstructionist Bull@!$%#!
McCain is disgraceful. He is trying to place blame for deaths in Libya on Obama, Clinton, and Rice on the one hand, while he is fuming over Obama's refusal to send our troops into Syria on the other hand. What does he think will happen to American lives if we go charging into Syria, and it is not as if we could actually accomplish anything except adding to the chaos and international hatred of the USA, and sending more flag-draped coffins back home. After the debacles in Afghanistan, Iraq, and Viet Nam to name a few- how can he even look at himself in the mirror in the morning with such an insane line of "reasoning"? I would be for wars if they were paid for, well-thought-out with specific goals in mind that do not include things like making the Vice-President more filthy rich than he already was. But these GOP amoral hawks have completely turned me off to any war- they have proven that they cant handle it.
TO: Ben-636050 who wrote:
Hagel tells the truth, which could certainly hurt Republicans, which is what makes Hagel "a bum" in the eyes of Republicans.
where do you people come up with this crap. Delusional doesn't even begin to describe this kind of depravity...
Clara!! Wonderful words! So true that they are bullies and holier than everyone else. They don't care about anyone but themselves and those who line their pockets with cash. But they want people to think they care about them. If they really cared about the regular people they would be more worried about things here at home and get off the track of this derailment in process they are on.
Don't let the fact confuse you:
Life during President Gaddaffi, contract with Libyan Citizens in his "Green Book": Loans to Libyan citizens were given with "NO interest". Students would get paid the average salary for the profession they are studying for. If you’d be unable to get the employment the state would pay the full salary as if you were employed. When you got married the couple got an apartment or house for free. You could go to college anywhere in the world, the state paid 2,500 euros plus for accommodation and a car. The cars were sold at factory cost. Libya does not owe money, (not a cent) to anyone, No credits. Free education and health care. 25% of population with a university degree. No beggars on the streets and no homeless. Bread costs $0.15. Gasoline $0.33 per liter, during the attacks $0.66 per liter. All this disappeared after the Overthrow of President Gaddaffi.
President Gaddaffi and Libya as a US Ally, to get the President Bush US and UN Sanctions and Embargoes lifted so he would ship Libyan Oil to the US European Allies as negotiated by SOS Condeleezza Rice: Collaborated with the CIA. President Gaddaffi had his Libyan Military hunting the Islamic Jihadists at Libya. Stopped his pursuit of Nuclear Power. Turned over his Chemical Weapons to the US. Transfer of US Islamic Jihadists Prisoners from Guantanamo to President Gaddaffi's Prisons (including later President Obama's). Human Rights and Libyan Citizen's Rights as praised by the UN and UA (African Union).
The Fundamentalist Islamic Arab League of Nations demanded President Gaddaffi's Death for Collaborating with the Christians, Jews, Unbelievers, a Death Penalty Fatawa is issued.
Most of the work that the Libyan Citizens do not want to do are done by Foreigners brought into Libya, and have no Libyan Citizens Rights nor the Libyan Citizens Entitlements listed in President Gaddaffi's Green Book.
The Holy Warriors of Islam (aka Islamic Jihadists) are gathering at Libya, after the Overthrow of US Ally Egypt. Many Intelligence Agencies are stating that these Islamic Jihadists are the Fundamentalist Islamic Al Quada Saudi Arabia (AQ), Al Quada Islamic Maghreb (AQIM), Al Quada Syria (AQS), Al Quada Yemen (AQY), Hezbollah, Al Quada Arabian Peninsula (AQAP), the Libyan Islamic Fighting Group (LIFG), etc. as trained by the Quds Special Forces of the Fundamentalist Islamic Shia Republic of Iran at the Fundamentalist Islamic Autonomous Kurdistanis Region of Northern Iraq, Syria, Southern Turkey, and Northwestern Iran to Overthrow the Established Governments of US Allies.
President Gaddaffi warns everyone about the Fundamentalist Islamic Jihadists gathering at Libya, President Gaddaffi's Military starts to fight them. President Obama ignores this just like he ignored US Ally Iraq, US Ally Egypt, US Ally Saudi Arabia, US Ally Turkey, US Ally Pakistan, President of Syria, etc. until it was too late.
President Gaddaffi f**ks up, declares Libyan Oil Nationalization. Due to President Obama's Policies the US and US Allies have lost the Iraqis Oil, this makes the Libyan Oil of Strategic Importance to the US European Allies.
Why Benghazi:Thousands of Islamic Jihadists flood into Benghazi with the Asymmetric Warfare intent of killing the Libyan Military Guards, seizing the weapons, ammunition at the the 60 bunker Hight Razma facility on the eastern outskirts of Benghazi and a 35 bunker facility on the eastern outskirts of Ajdabiyah." The term "bunkers" is a misnomer as some of these "bunkers" were the size of warehouses. After the Libyan Military Guards were massacred at these Libyan Munitions Depots, the Facilities were left unguarded. This is how about 20,000 shoulder launched portable SA-7 anti aircraft missiles ended up "missing"; believed to be currently in the hands of Al Quada and the rest of the Islamic Terrorists (Jihadist, Worldwide Islamic Military), possible use shoot down US and US Ally Commercial Airlines (Aircraft) worldwide (after all the other publicly known failed attempts); most US Military and US Ally Military Aircraft have detection and countermeasures (some are still shot down by SA-7s, mistaken for RPGs (similar warhead). ). Then inciting the Foreign Workers brought into Libya to demand Libyan Citizens Rights and Entitlements.
President Gaddaffi sends his Libyan Military to fight the Islamic Jihadists and Foreign Worker Protesters and Demonstrators gone violent (murdered Libyan Military).
President Obama then claims that President Gaddaffi is a "Dictator Killing his own people" (not Gaddaffi's own Libyan Citizens but Islamic Jihadists).
President Gaddaffi orders the Foreign Workers to leave his Country, most do not and actively join the Islamic Jihad to Overthrow President Gaddaffi the Collaborator to the Christians, Jews, Unbelievers; again the Fundamentalist Islamic Arab League of Nations demands the Overthrow of President Gaddaffi.
The Libyan Oil:
During the "G" Meeting at France, that was attended by SOS Clinton, the European Oil Corporations Lobby the European Politicians to Overthrow President Gaddaffi to stop his Libyan Oil Nationalization (majority of Profits remain in Libya).
These European Oil Corporations demand President Gaddaffi's Overthrow to stop his Libyan Oil Nationalization: BP (Britain), Total, Elf (France), Eni (Italy), OMV (Austria), Statoil (Norway), etc.. So instead of these European Oil Corporations hiring cheap Libyan Labor then keeping all the Profits, with Gaddaffi's Resource Nationalization, they would get almost nothing and the majority of the profits would remain in Libya. So in anticipation of their Governments Military Actions to Overthrow Gaddaffi to stop his Resource Nationalization, "Non essential" personnel were evacuated February 21, 2011.
US Army Special Forces LTC Woods and his Specialized Support Teams are at Libya since February. It is Routine to attach US Military Asymmetric Warfare Forces to the CIA's SAD/SOG to conduct Targeting and Target Damage Assessments to minimize Civilian Casualties during Airstrikes and Cruise Missile Attacks. The US Military Asymmetric Warfare Forces Missions are routinely Special Reconnaissance, Special Surveillance, Foreign Internal Defense, Insurgency (training the locals to Overthrow a Established Government), Counter Insurgency (stop others from Overthrowing a US Ally's Established Government), etc..
President Obama as Commander In Chief Orders the US Military to attack Libya in violation of the US Law that Restricts or Limits the Presidential War Powers, US Law, 1973 War Powers Resolution (Act). President Obama failed to notify both Houses of US Congress 48 hours prior to ANY US Military Actions. US Congress does not have time to write a US Law with US Congressional Appropriations, like they did for President Clinton (42) and President Bush (43). President Obama uses not previously Budgeted for Discretionary Spending including to fund NATO's Bombs, Fuel, Cruise Missiles, etc.. Afterwards on behalf of President Obama SOS Clinton apologizes to US Congress, "I'm sorry".
SOS Clinton stated, "Funding Not the Issue". Go research what "the Issue" was (hint: Who not what, as directed for US to maintain a Low US Presence).
President Obama and Vice President Biden during the Reelection Campaign Inflamed the over 1.5 Billion Islamic Believers Worldwide to Violence with, "Osama Bin Laden is Dead, GM is Alive".
The Islamic Believers respond, "Obama, Obama, We Are All Osama", "Obama Declared War Against Islam".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udSEcQbM308
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pJGX1JzyFc
Ansar Al Shariah starts planning the Attack of the US Consulate Benghazi (close to where they are) to coincide with the Greatest Defeat of the Great Satan (US) by their Holy Warrior of Islam, Osama Bin Laden, 9/11.
Presidential Candidate Romulan stated Mali during the Presidential Debates, President Obama has no idea, "Deer in the headlights". youtube.com
During the over 7 hour attack by the "Libyan Rebels" as Ansar Al Shariah, General Ham Commander US AFRICOM volunteered the US Military Forces less than 2 hours away by slow propeller C-130s or US Military Helicopters to rescue the US Citizens. The AC-130s nor MQs (armed Drones) at US AFRICOM (Italy previous US Military Forces of Operation Odyssey Dawn Libya) capable of precision fires terminally guided by the Ex USN SEALs of the US Ambassador are not sent due to President Obama's opposition "US must maintain a Low US Presence". President Obama disagreed and demands General Ham's Letter of Resignation.
The Results: President Gaddaffi is murdered. Most of the Libyan Citizens that benefited as President Gaddaffi Supporters flee Libya (See Life During President Gaddaffi above). The Islamic Jihadists get another Islamic Nation. Mediterranean Ports closer to attack the US European Allies aka Crusaders. US European Allies lose the Libyan Oil to the Fundamentalist Islamic Shia Republic of Iran's Ally, the Chinese. 20,000 portable shoulder launched anti aircraft SA-7 missiles end up in the hands of the Islamic Jihadists with their stated goal of shooting down US Civilian Airlines "to cripple the US Economy". Strategic Location for the Islamic Jihadists to get the other African Nations, just like Egypt was key to get Libya.
The Libyan Islamic Fighting Group were those Islamic Jihadist Foreign Fighters that were killing US Military at Iraq, they become the Government of Libya.
Ansar Al Sharia is formed from the Fundamentalist Islamic Al Quada Saudi Arabia (AQ), Al Quada Islamic Maghreb (AQIM), Al Quada Syria (AQS), Al Quada Yemen (AQY), Hezbollah, Al Quada Arabian Peninsula (AQAP), the Libyan Islamic Fighting Group (LIFG), to protect and instate Fundamentalist Islamic Shia (Sharia) Law as the Rule of Law for the Islamic Nation of Libya.
US Army Special Forces LTC Woods creates a Report pertaining to the Security of the US Diplomatic Mission at Libya. Depending on who he and his US Army Special Forces Specialized Support Teams are attached or assigned to this goes thru many distinct Reporting Channels, usually directly to the Top (President of the US). The First being as assigned to the President's Executive Intelligence Agency, the CIA, included in the Daily Presidential Intelligence Report; Second, the US Department of State, US Ambassador gets copy, SOS Clinton gets copy, then the US President. Third, copy to the Joint Chiefs of Staff, US Secretary of Defense, then to US President. US Ambassador is a Presidential Appointee, with Direct Access to the US President.
As verified by SOS Clinton. As a previous I told you so, the Holy Warriors of Islam went to Libya to get the Decades of Weapons, Ammunition to Attack the other African Nations. So what President Obama did was destabilize the entire continent of Africa by Overthrowing US Ally President Gaddaffi that was using his Libyan Oil Wealth and the lives of the Libyan Citizens of the Libyan Military keeping the Holy Warriors of Islam stuck fighting at Libya:
Republicans feel they have the right to do anything they want to, WHEN THEIR IN POWER. When Democrats are elected to fix the devastation left behind by these anarchists is when the true hypocrisy of the Republican Party shows through. It’s then that they condemn everything from the sun rising to the type of dog the President owns.
None of these GOP clowns have a moral compass and are corrupt to the core from all the illegal money they have received from people like the Koch brothers. It sickening to witness these lying Neanderthals grill Senator Hagel for just one reason; he does not blindly follow their backward and self serving philosophy; don’t even get me started on McCain….. He’s the head hypocrite.
The sooner the Republican Party is kicked out of our political system the sooner the country can get back on a positive track.
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Well there is the whole anti-gay thing. I thought that was a big issue for liberals?? Guess those sorts of convictions just fade away when they're not convenient huh?
Hmmm. "spider" writes:
Apparently, "spider" missed where fellow members of his klan called Gabby Giffords a "whore" and a "gimp". It is a sophisticated concept for the likes of "spider", but people in glass houses should not throw stones (which "spider" will interpret as "commies are comin' to take mah guns!!")
...And then "spider" goes on to write:
So. In "spider's" self-righteous, hypocritical perception of reality, calling BushII an idiot is juvenile and hateful. It is, however, perfectly acceptable, when commenting to someone with opposing views, to wish their relatives dead.
"spider" is yet another perfect example of the depravity of the "tea" party that the Republicans pander to.
Why is McCain considered such an expert in defense issues? Is it because he never saw a military confrontation he didn't like or endorse? While I respect his service and cannot imagine what he must have gone through while a POW - he was shot down (twice, I believe) and was captured. Hagel was a hero in Viet Nam and, like Kerry, understands the utter waste of war. Shame on McCain for being so petty and so confrontational. What was the purpose of his questioning? He has ceased to be relevant and he and his fellow hawks need to join the 21st century and realize that armed conflict is not always the only answer and if they are so concerned about Government spending - consider a very simple reason not to jump into every conflict - we can't afford it.
david - Seriously - what is your point? You just seem to yak up stuff that, I would guess, not too many people read. Is any of this true or just stuff you picked up on some right wing conspiracy theory wacko web site? Sarah spanked you very politely earlier. Get some rest.
kimH - David is like so many righties. He believes if he posts a LONG post he'll look smart instead of foolish. Skip over his posts - they're not worth reading.
I've been wondering the same thing for a long time. What makes McCain---who essentially sat out the Vietnam war in the 'Hanoi Hilton'-- such a military expert? Does torture provide one with military insight?
It seems more likely that his melanoma might have spread to his brain.
It's the same as his purpose for being on all the talk shows instead of doing the work he's paid to do in the Senate: self aggrandizement. McCain is a sucker for attention.
McCain's a fine one to question Hagel's judgment. He picked Sarah Palin to be his running mate!!
When the Facts are presented to you, since you lack cognative reasoning skills, someone has to translate for you.
And by the way that post was NOT ADDRESSED TO YOU.
The only spanking that Sarah gave me was when my gun was in Uranus. Before she stopped responding because she got caught in more LIES, like before.
Uranus still sore from before. As far as the LONG posts, ever heard the term Error of Ommission (aka Legalese for LIE).
As if you have anything meaningful to contribute to Newsvine's "Get Smarter Here".
David - Calm down little man. You are obviously extremely upset that no one is buying into your nonsense. As far as my lack of cognative(sic) reasoning skills are concerned, I understand you fine, I just don't agree with you and think you are a tiny bit wacky. In addition, your comments appear on a public forum so they are directed to everyone and open for discussion and comment.
This guy Hagel came across as woefully unprepared, and many times confused and uninformed and burdened with a questionable past. In other words, the perfect candidate for Obama, who prizes ideology over competence any day.
Attorneys, Lawyers, by Training Win Their Arguements by any means, including exclusion of Facts as Irrelevant, Errors of Omission (Aka Legalese term for LIES).
Examples:
lilirocks - @Sarah-3043284 - If you look at David's homepage you would see he is seriously ill up there on the roof and he lives somewhere in La-la land he calls his military home.
As anyone that is smarter then them only already KNOWS
to click on the upper left corner david-475776
With my "homepage" stating":
got something for you to watch and learn from kimH-1330542, Sarah-3043284, et al.,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSkv_29Rncg
Even if it was attempt at sarcasm Sarah-3043284,, easily proven false by clicking on Sarah-3043284
http://sarah3043284.newsvine.com/_news/2012/11/04/14914276-for-charlie
The rest at, can see why lilirocks must attempt to denegrate others:
http://lilirocks.newsvine.com/?more=About
kimH-1330542 go troll someone else, your posts to left:
http://kimh49.newsvine.com/
Ah yes, Obama's appointment to tell the republicans to go screw themselves!!!! Let's appoint a republican that is hated by the republicans to a very important position. Hagel hates Israel and loves Iran even as Iran is closer than ever to having the bomb. Hagel is against economic sanctions against Iran. Those of you on the left should be against this appointment because Hagel has been disparaging against Gays. And yes I know he apologized, but that is like closing the barn door after the cows got out.
Simply put, we will be weaker and more prone to terrosrist attacks becasue of this guy and the president. With no response to the Benghazi incident we have already told the terrorists it is opne season on the US.
Hagel loves Iran? This comes, no doubt, from the same source that tells us that Obama is a Communist Kenyan Muslim.
Roger, take off your tin foil hat, and come back to reality. This tells the Republicans to 'go screw themselves'? First, your statement only reinforces the fact that the R'sy can dish it out ,but can not take it. That's what they've been doing to Obama for over 4 years now. His personal views on sexual orientation have no bearing on the job of Secretary of State. Hates Israel and loves Iran? Sources please. Fox News?
@Byron,
That is really funny! Please keep drinking the Kool aid provided to you by the left wing media.
Obama is actually a Socialist, He does have Kenyan blood, and as far as his being Muslim, I am not convinced that he is not as he has never said when he was baptized. However, he was raised muslim (go read his books). By the way, just because you go to church and sit in a pew, it does not mean you are a christian.
Roger the vast majority have tuned out the republicans on anything about foreign policy. They have been proven to lie cheat and steal, as well as wrong about pretty much everything. These phony neocon leaders never fight or serve in the military. And they dont want their kids on the frontlines, just everyone elses. They have problem lets round them up, and send them off to fight all these countries. The rest of us are going to stay right in the USA
Well, yes - Republicans should go screw themselves. They're pretty good ad screwing - since they have screw the United States and the World nearly to death....
Roger the most honest thing you said was " just because you go to church and sit in a pew, it does not mean you are a christian" please continue to repeat this to yourself while looking in a mirror.
Ohh please, stop pretending that it matters at all who Obama appoints. He could try to appoint McCain and McCain would object to his own qualifications.
And why are you so afraid of terrorists? That's what they want, why give them exactly that?
You are correct. McCain and the rest are like Woody Allen when it comes to confirming an Obama appointee: "I wouldn't want to belong to a club that would want me as a member"....
Roger-1934531
President Obama is an American.
Roger, the kool-aid drinking is clearly done by people like yourself.
Get help.
Salud
Just out of curiosity. When you construct your tinfoil hat, do you use generic brand or namebrand Reynolds? I have found that Reynolds, although more expensive, holds it's shape better and provides better protection from the mind-control rays.
Also, do you rock viking style (complete with horns, which can be fabricated from the cardboard dowels)? Or tri-corner Pirate? I like Viking style personally, it provides a more dramatic effect...
Roger, Did you volunteer to be idiot of the day or are you an elected shill to stir up a little controversy?
Reading these liberal posts,makes it easy to understand how easy it is to fool some of the people,all of the time.Question;why does FEMA need millions of rounds of ammunition,military armored vehicles,military trained and armed disaster relief workers?Oh,I guess they expect resistance from the ungratful people they are supposed to help.
if you can provide a credible link to a news source supporting this, I'll entertain it...
Obama doesn't need to make an appointment as a means of telling repugnicans to go screw themselves... The majority of real Americans already did. And they are.
Some people watch the necrophilic tea party engaging post mortem with the decaying corpse of the political party they murdered and call it a "comeback"...
Well said Roger.
You can't reason with a brain dead individual though. The left is without hope.
DrowningGrover
Just out of curiosity. When you construct your tinfoil hat, do you use generic brand or namebrand Reynolds? I have found that Reynolds, although more expensive, holds it's shape better and provides better protection from the mind-control rays.
Also, do you rock viking style (complete with horns, which can be fabricated from the cardboard dowels)? Or tri-corner Pirate? I like Viking style personally, it provides a more dramatic effect...
It also gives the Tea Party something they can hold onto during servicing.
Will you people stop with the Benghazi crap. You guys can't even get the damn narrative straight. It was not as bad as 9/11, Beiruit or that stupid war in Iraq. No matter how hard you all try to make it into some big conspiracy. It was a tragedy, but certainly not the worst one, and hearing the blather from the right makes it nothing but political buffoonery. We aren't buying your twisted narrative.
On the edge
"Roger, Did you volunteer to be idiot of the day or are you an elected shill to stir up a little controversy?"
Check out "print money"... It looks like they have a contest on their hands!
The Republican Inquisition would like to burn Hagel at the stake for being a heretic, but they are not fit to shine his shoes. Hagel, a man who says what he really believes. Imagine that!
Wish we could get McCan't to just give yes or no answers. So tired of his mumbling on and really saying nothing.
Maccain should be forced to take a psychological exam to find out if he is fit to serve,,,, He was angry,,, (again),,, abusive, (again),, rude and condescending,,,,, He interupted the poor man ,, not giving him a chance to speak,, and conducted himself in an almost threatening manor,, This to me would seem like cause for concern,, I seems he is not in control of his faculties and has bordered a full blown assault on the poor man,,, This is very disturbing,,, I mean he is only a senator,, not king or some sort of lord of any kind,, but the way he acts ,, should really give somebody some concern on wether or not he is fit for the position he holds in the senate,, He still pouts his sour grapes,, and takes it out on everyone in his way,, so sad to think that when they write about his life,, it will be filled with this kind of s**t, Myself as a regular person watching this is in shock and appalled that this man is allowed to question anyone,,, he should be made to have an exam immediately ,,,
McCain has been a tool of Israel ever since his father, an Admiral, whitewashed Israel's attack on the USS Liberty. In return for the whitewash, Israel has supported McCain in very election.
McCain will vote for every war for Israel and is currently working hard on the war against Iran.
"McCain will vote for every war for Israel and is currently working hard on the war against Iran."
McCain is so full of it. Just four years ago he was praising Hagel being SOD......under his imaginary administration. Funny that Obama chooses him NOW he has a problem with Hagel.
Just confirm him already. This "grilling" is a waste of time.
why isn't Mccan't more worried and up in arms about our issues here in our country? his complaints are never about things that we the people are worried about. Probably why he did not win election 4 years ago...well at least one of the reasons. If he is really an American and a senator why isn't he focusing on America's issues? instead of spending his time bullying everyone. What does Arizona think about him?
Roger - Time for bed, little buddy. Tell the nurse that rukidding and print money are still up wandering the halls, too.
Yeah? ...except that Obama won re-election and we gained seats in both the House and Senate. Obama's gotten immigration reform started and we're on track to do something about the gun carnage in America. Next, we'll tackle climate change.
The economy continues to grow more robust.
Republicans are tripping all over themselves to 're-invent' the GOP after the debacle that was the Romney/ Ryan campaign.
So it's looking pretty hopeless for the left.
bwahahahahaha!!!
Hillary Clinton got a Pass really it's her failure that US embassy Ambassador and guards killed-John Kerry was traitor to the Viet Nam war effort after leaving viet nam and most likely gave himself promotions while in Viet Nam no one Grilled him So what is the bog Deal a big waste of time nothing ever comes of this crap!
John Kerry served honorably in the Vietnam War unlike so many right wing chicken-hawks too numerous to list. He won the Silver Star.
And the "pass" Hillary got for Benghazi is pretty small stuff compared to the 3000 that died on 9/11 and the 4000 that died in Iraq. Where is your outrage on that?
@ Big Bad Bob
You don't "win" the Silver Star.
Eye of America, if you paid attention, the Viet Nam invasion was not an honorable war. I don't fault Kerry for coming back and telling the truth. He was no traitor. I was married to a nuclear chemist in the Navy during that fiasco. I was told by him and other servicemen at the time that the 'war' was staged for the MIC. We tested and perfected guided and heat seeking missles, napalm, agent orange, LSD and other psycoactive drugs. The cover story: Why we have to save America from the Communist threat. You know, the little guys in black pajamas thousands of miles away who were ready to invade America, yeah, right.
The real "failures" and "traitors" comprise the GOP-Tea Party-Right Wing Cartel including the "Den of Thieves" from 2000 to the present. These "stoic" attacks from Republican panelists are nothing more than a frantic attempt to appear "statesmanlike" and relevant; these stoic attacks from Republicans scumbags also serves to deflect attention from their own ineptitude and tyranny...
@BigBadBob,
You want outrage over 9/11? Try this on for size. Clinton had the opportunity to get Bin Laden from Syria and he didn't take it because he was on the golf course at the time. Look it up! Clinton also stripped down most of the funding that both the CIA and the FBI needed to track Bin Laden and other terrorists so that the intel we were getting at the time was unreliable at best.
I know that you want to say that Bush knew. Well get your facts straight! All Bush knew was that an attack was imminent! No other details due to the FBI and the CIA being handcuffed by Clinton. How do I know this? I have an Aunt who used to work for the FBI and is now retired. However, if you dig deep enough, which means you have to find all the facts, something the left hates to do, then you will find the real answers. Can't blame Bush for 9/11.
As far as Iraq is concerned, we are at war with terrorists. Get used to it because they are not going away and they will not fight fair. The men and women who have died have done so willing to protect your rights and mine and to keep us safe. It was the proper reaction to the events of 9/11. You send a message that you do not mess with us or we will come and slap you back past the stone age you are stuck in. I am glas that we had a Texas butt kicker in office rather than a Candy assed environmentalist who would have hid in a closet and aske Tipper to handle it. In regards to this current president, he has sent a clear signal after no response to Benghazi that we are not going to do anything to the terrorist, so they can now have open season on the US.
Why aren't you outraged that we are a weaker and more defenseless country because of Obama and his foreign policy and lack of response?
SabotAndHeat
I remember when I was in school if you were the first one done with your work you would get either a Gold or Silver Star
Lmao! Now that's funny! It does strike me as odd that, as a commanding officer, he put his own name in for his various medals that he "earned". I certainly didn't have that opportunity when I was awarded my two bronze stars...
Absolutely no one denies (not even the Swift Boaters) that Kerry served on the front lines in areas that were and subject to being "under fire." Bush on the other hand served were the beer was always cold on tap. Cheney stayed in school and learned how to hunt quail. And given that we can't protect movie goers from guys with flaming orange hair, do you really think we can anticipate every RPG carrying Arab everywhere at all times?
Gee, Roger's tin foil hat is working overtime today.
Fox and its various contributors have an awful lot to answer for, for the crap they have pushed at poor fools such as Roger who swallows it all because his poor paranoid riddled mind allows him to.
Seek help while there may still be time.
Close your trailer door, put the barrel against your forehead and firmly pull the trigger.
Well Eye of America-1693099 -- I have a strong hunch that John Kerry has done more for this nation in one day of his life than you have in your entire life. Repeating the lies you hear from the likes of Limbaugh -- the draft dodging junkie -- doesn't make you a great American, it simply makes you a ditto head.
"dm57" - I don't care who you are directing that comment to, but wishing death on those who disagrees with you politically is grossly unAmerican. Why would you wish suicide on anyone?
We all get carried away and write some nasty things, but wishing for someone's self-extermination is pathological.
NPCDan - neither did Kerry. He was nominated by his men and was awarded his medals because they were deserved. If you were not awarded any then I guess you know why!
Shocked - I actually voted you up on that one.
"Seeking", as opposed to what you may think, I was indeed awarded two bronze stars in defence of our great Nation. The unit I was attached to suffered two casualties, and 15 were awarded the Purple Heart. I understand that Mr. Kerry was awarded one for a scratch that required nothing more than a band-aid, and some anti-bacterial salve to fix, and was "fit for service" immediately afterwards. The men in my unit certainly weren't afforded that same luxery, as that most were injured in a very grievious manner. So you can worship this fool if you would like, but being a combat veteran myself, I choose not to. His actions after the war were borderline treason, and should be viewed in the same context as Hanoi Jane's actions. Now he's the richest Senator in Congress. What were you libberals fuming over a couple of months ago about the 1%? Stay hypocritical my liberal friend.
We do not need a Defense Policy run by AIPAC. When I worked on Capitol Hill, the most feared lobby was AIPAC, not the NRA. George W. Bush once made the mistake of offending AIPAC (when he told Sharon to get his "A$$ out of Gaza by friday) and even he learned the misery that followed. According to the WP, he received 3 AIPAC executives (unannounced) at the WH on Sunday..............and never spoke an ill word again. But as an historical note and a cuddo to "W", he never helped Israel again except in retreat from Lebanon. And, Obama is doing the same.
Helping the French out in Africa? Sounds like Viet Nam all over again.
Except that much of Africa is hugely unstable and is being economically influenced by China more than by us. We need to be a player.
Seems to me that anyone seeking a cabinet post will say anything to get the job. With that in mind each appointee should be required to sign an undated resignation and leave it with the Senate. In the event the appointee acts counter to the statements of intent made during the confirmation hearing, the resignation should be dated and accepted! If the President feels otherwise, and he/she will, the recently resigned person can be reappointed and go through the Senate approval cycle where he/she can be reapproved. Might keep these people honest, but I don't really think so.
Talk is cheap. Lies and corruption are being rammed down our throats but oh well "What ever Bama wants, Bama gets." This administration reeks to high heaven.
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@ Big Bad Bob
It might be...
Obama 3 RWNJ's 0
...if H. J. Res 15 passes. Reference - http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c113:H.J.RES.15:
You Obama cultists better snap out of it.
Obama 2,
311,000,000 Americans 0
worn out-4024611
You are right... Obama could care less about Americans...
Charlene: Face the facts, you lost the election and will lose more and more in the future because of radical right wing opinions like yours.
No weenee,it has do with a Lincoln speech:"you can fool some of the people all of the time"
worn out, over half of the country voted for Obama. We are on his side.
It continues to escape notice that the MAJORITY of Americans back Obama and what he is trying to do. And no, we are not stupid, in a cult or drinking anything. Cults are actually perpetuated out of fear. Fear of terrorists, fear of dictatorship, fear of third terms, fear of gun elimination, blah, blah, blah. You scare yourselves about NOTHING that is real. Try volunteering or getting spirtual guidance. All this fear only drives up anxiety and stress needlessly. You need a clear vision AND an open mind, and once you have them, you will feel SO much better.
fielden, you may claim to be on his side, but he is not on your side,
With a 60% voter turn out, I would have to say that only 30% are for him, not more than half that you claim.
TO: worn out-4024611 who wrote:
I don't suppose you recall that George "Curveball" Bush claimed victory based on only 527 more votes than his democratic opponent, and after the final vote-count we learned that Bush didn't win at all but insted used the United States Supreme Court to "select" Bush for office in spite of Bush not having the votes to get in.
In President Obama's case, he won a decisive victory over his opponent, Mitt Robme, with more than 5,000,000 more votes as well as President Obama overwheliming winning the popular vote.
Now, Republicans can continue on with their jealousy and lies, their sour grapes positing on losing the election, and go on to lose the next election too, or Republicans can chose to step out of the dark ages, quit telling lies, and above all stop with all this creepy hate speech.
My God you Obama haters are getting so annoying. Dislike his policies (which include tons of republican policies) but most of the time you all make no sense whatsoever. He is not a dictator. He loves America. He isn't a tyrant. What you all fail to understand is that your preferred old republican policies (let's go to war first, ask questions later and failed trickle down economics) are rejected by most Americans. Republicans are no longer a party of conservatives, they are a party of nuts and extremists.
Whatever, worn out. Your statement that it is Obama-2, 300 plus million Americans-0 is still wrong.
and you are scared to death that a black man is president. Tea Party my azz, it is the klan all over. What did your ex wife get uppity when she went back to school and dump your stupid azz. so you just sit in your trailer and blame that black man for you being such a loser. Do us all a favor and just pull the trigger.
fielden, Is that all you got is for an answer is "whatever" All you libs can do when someone presents you with facts is resort to name calling. Childish.
"Republicans are no longer a party of conservatives, they are a party of nuts and extremists."
I totally agree with that statement but you may want to consider some advise from my late father---
When you are enlisted you fight a up hill battle everday in the service and he will be fighting a up hill battle in the hearing for speaking his mind and not sucking up to look good.
nodak
Have you ever been in the Military? I do not get where the "When you are enlisted you fight a up hill battle everday" BS comes from....
Please Explain.
This guy is bad news; his first goal is to reduce our nuke's number's below those of Russia; sounds like on going risk of America being a free country! Don't give up your guns to the HMIC!
Paranoid much. Please, check your meds.
Eileen: You didn't get a point; I hit the wrong button, and you can KMA!
Eileen: Explain this:
When I was in the service, we had a nuke capability of the equivalent of 50 tons of TNT for every man,woman and child in the world. An 80% reduction means we would only have 10 tons per person. Surely that would be enough of a deterant?
So instead of being capable of destroying the world 10 times over, he thinks we only need to be able to destroy it 5 times over? I'm fine with that.
On the edge
What service where you in and what time frame?
I have worked in the Nuke field and it is not (or I will say it was not ) Like what you said....
This guy is bad news; his first goal is to reduce our nuke's number's below those of Russia;
On the edge more than likely was NEVER in the US Military, and most definitely not part of the US Nuclear Forces or would have known about the SALT, START, Intermediate Range Nuclear Forces (INF) Treaty, ABM Treaty, etc.. That Nuclear PRP was such a pain in the arse.
I used to be in the Nuclear (Weapons) US Military Career Field (CNWDI Instructor, Course Writer, Branch Chief) NAIRA Team Leader, "A" Side", etc..), also trained and experienced with Biological (Epidemiology, USARIID), Chemical (live agent training at Fort Redacted and experience at Site Redacted, Redacted, Redacted, CAIRA Team Leader), Missiles (all including NASA, Marshall Space Flight), then was switched to the harsh Redacted
Our Veterans group is hoping you will strongly support Chuck Hagel’s nomination for Secretary of Defense in spite of the unprecedented ad smear campaigns maligning him.
We have the utmost faith in his ability to keep our country secure, support our troops, away at war and when returning, and use diplomacy instead of the cannon fodder of our brave men and women out there protecting us. He is a true patriot, in deed, not just in word and has earned our support. Thank you.
Terzi: Just who is your veterans group?
NamVet68-70
That is what obama ment when he told Russia "Wait until after the election... He would have more flexibilty.
TRO: I was just curious being a member of several veterans groups what group Terzi was involved with that supported Hagel? I have seen no response from him or her or whatever branch of the HMIC's government it belongs to!
Terzi must be Hagel's mom!
wow, you three certainly know how to make good, original and thoughtful comments. i dont think terzi needs to respond because it wont matter, itll be against your point of view, thus he is apperently drinking kool aid, a member of a cult, or the best one yet, hes chuck hagels mom. what amazing intellects you have put on display
He wont respond because he is caught in a lie like all liberals. All he can do is try and deflect to anything else.
You Libbie's are a pathetic lot.
NamVet68-70
Not really sure... I myself belong to several Vet groups and NONE of them have the slightest thing to do with him and Kerry....
"I myself belong to several Vet groups and NONE of them have the slightest thing to do with him and Kerry...."
I find that very, very very hard to believe.
Hagel will be confirmed.
The republicans on the committee will again show just how small their tent is.
They're going to get creamed in 2014.
BigBadBob-2560784
Yeah have you seen the Growth figures posted yesterday? MINUS .01 WOW We are moving FORWARD for sure....
The down turn in the Growth figures was caused by cuts in defense spending, every other sector is up. Time is not running out, Obama still has 4 years left.
Wrong mcr,defense cuts haven't kicked in yet. obama only said;"this will be my last election".....he certainly has no intention of stopping in 4 years.
no print money, your actually wrong. the defense cuts you must be thinnking of is sequestration, that is not what mcr is talking about.
Did you see that personal income rose in December to the highest rate in 9 years? The sky is falling, the sky is falling!
"Did you see that personal income rose in December to the highest rate in 9 years?"
I do get a kick out of these teatards who just can't spread enough gloom and doom. Increasing personal income, housing starts the best in 5 years, best increase in home prices in 5 years, the DOW nearing 14,000 (as opposed to 8,000 when Bush left) 34 straight months of private sector job growth, domestic oil production at and all time high, Fortune 500 companies -- record profits --- yep --- the sky is falling!!!!
It must be hard to find people that when asked "Will you kiss my ass when I tell you to?" to be in this corrupt administration. It's hard to find anyone, who you think has a head on their shoulders, to say they voted for Odumbcrat. The sad thing is they are out there, and in droves. You can't fix stupid.
Anyone wanting to be on Odumbcrat's cabinet, or in the administration period, is having a hard time finding a job.
So what we'll end up getting is a Secretary of "Defense" that actually doesn't believe in DEFENSE.
Calls for getting rid of our nuclear arsenal, wanting to actually "negotiate" with Iran, which just uses negotiations to further their nuclear research, and generally being AGAINST most of what keeps us strong doesn't bode well for the actual defense of this nation.
As for this crap about being a wounded Vietnam veteran, it's STUPID to actually think that a wounded enlisted man actually KNOWS anything about defending this nation.
The man ran as a "Republican" to get elected, when in reality if you look at his history, he's just another Israel hating, Iran shoe licking, anti-military liberal.
The perfect choice by Obama, but a poor choice for the nation.
But oh well, you libs elected our Failure in Chief, so we ALL get to live with the consequences of it. Don't be whining when more innocent Americans, including you or your family members, are muredered at the hands of terrorists. It's what you voted for.
yeah, wounded vets know nothing. the best soldiers are the ones smart enough to not get shot.
Cheryl, it's called paranoid delusions. Please, get help. I'm truly baffled by your statement "it's STUPID to actually think that a wounded enlisted man actually Knows anything about defending this nation" Really? If someone who was there serving in the military doesn't know anything, who does? Let me guess, you want Sarah Palin, right?
Eilen: Your the typical Dem. your trying to play both sides of the fence with no knowledge or facts! Perhaps your off your meds?
Cheryl - Anyone in the military who knows about the Purple Heart or has ever received one knows that it is for 'Military Merit' and not for 'Valor.' I happened to have gotten two as well. I do not feel I did anything heroic, but, I appreciate the recognition from the War Dept. for my service for shedding blood for my country. What you said sounds very disrespectful.
Eileen-2117949
How is it you libs can Laugh At and call McCain names because he is also a Vet who spent years in a viet Prison and was tortured and here again you libs laugh at him...
Yet this 2 faced Bugger shows up and because Lord obama appointed him he can walk on water... So tell me again how 'Proud you are that he is a Vet.
then mccain sold out to the beginnings of the tea bagger movement.... that changed everything. we respect his service and sacrifice, of which we cannot repay, but i do not have to agree with everything he has done in his political life. i liked him until 2008 came along and he sold out to be president, allowing uneducated nuts like yourself to dictate his policies
Holy smokes... You are pure stupid... What would the non-veteran pukes / chickenhawks like the con-men idiots that dumbasses like you and your kind on the right vote in know about National Defense? I bet you voted for BUSH right? Thanks for the recession... and the worldwide chaos... THE GOP is doomed with constituents like yourself who honestly believe in candidates like Romney or Santorum... PURE STUPID...
How is it you libs can Laugh At and call McCain names because he is also a Vet who spent years in a viet Prison and was tortured and here again you libs laugh at him...
Hey -- in 2000 I supported John McCain for president --- sent him money, knocked on doors for him. But then he decided the best way to win elections was to stop being John McCain and start sucking up to the likes of Dick Chicken-Hawk Cheney and the rest of the neocons. Since then he has evolved into a bitter, nasty old man and the sooner he leaves the Senate, the better off this nation will be. I think him for his service in Vietnam but it's time for him to leave the Senate.
The antic of the two amigos today (McCain and Graham) are further proof that the republican party will soon be a thing of the past.
Their arrogant, obnoxious condescending behavior towards the nominee is matched only by the similar behavior they exhibit towards our president. What's the common thread?
Both Obama and Hagel were asked to do jobs that neither Graham or McCain could ever dream of achieving, or even being asked for that matter. Perhaps they had better go home and read the Aesop's fable called "Sour Grapes". It fits them to a T!
Hope Hagel gets confirmed. We need someone who understands the real consequences of war...on those who fight it and their families. All too often our congress behaves like the kids in a snowball fight. They make the snowballs then bully others into throwing them at the guys they are afraid attack.
Note to republicans: Stop behaving like a bunch of children or we will send you home for real.i
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c113:H.J.RES.15:
The Obama cult. Yes we can!
He was called an anti-semite for saying we should not give in to the pro-Israel lobby. Actually, it doesn't make him anti-anything, it makes him PRO-AMERICA.
Timmy, well said! I think we need more discussion on this topic. Somehow, the Jewish lobby in Congress has hijacked American foreigh policy in the Middle-East such that every decision has to be judged by whether or not it aligns with Israel's policies and positions in the region. And now, everyone in government is afraid to do or say anything that might even be perceived as being anti-Israel because there will be someone who jumps up to accuse them of being anti-semetic, whatever that means. But here's something to think about: Israel's relationships with its neighbors are governed only by Israel's own self-interest. There's no way that they ever consider the what might be in the best interests of the US. Furthermore, many of Israel's actions are in direct conflict with policies and resolutions made in the United Nations that are directed towards reducing conflicts in the region. And since the US has consistently given our strong support to Israel, we risk being seen as being an enemy of the Arab prople who see Israel as their opressor in the region. No, I'm not anti-semetic! I just think that when dealing with Israel, it is time for American politicians to start thinking about what is best for America.
A nation that says its under God,and under God means God comes first,has
unconditional love as the Bible says to have,and even loves its enemies as Jesus
teaches,doesn't require talks with its enemies to be conditional. And who has
thousands of nuclear weapons wants others to give them up,even the the idea of
developing one,when Jesus teaches before you can take the cinder out of the eye
of another,take the log out of your own eye.A nation doing this isn't putting
God first.
Al, You sir live in a dream world with Jimmy Carter.
Oh my God. McCain is blustering and embarrassing himself. Argh! McCain - what the heck has happened to you??? :-(
Concerning cutbacks in our nuclear arsenal, we have thousands of nuclear weapons today, enough to destroy the earth several times over. How many do we really need? The expense of mainaining this arsenal is a huge component of the Defense budget, and the time has now come when that budget has to be cut if the US is to remain a strong economic power in the world. So if it is possible to reduce the size of the nuclear arsenal, or even eliminate it sometime in the future, then we should certainly be taking a hard loook at that possibility. The era when large scale nuclear conflict was a real possibility is in the past; The world powers realized it would be a no-win scenario. Our defense policies now need to be tailored to defend against threats from terrorists and crazy states like Iran and North Korea. Having an arsenal with thousands of nuclear weapons that we have to protect and maintain is of no practical value in that context. What we need now is skillful diplomacy in concert with our allies and other interested nations to eliminate areas of future conflicts. I think the President's nomination of Senators Kerry and Hagel is a good foundation for this work.
I don't know if I have ever wanted any job bad enough to put up with questions from these people.
Right, but... doesn't he have to refute the OUTRAGE coming from the other side? Trying to make him look like something he isn't? Trying to incite public opinion among millions of Americans who don't know any better? And just generally being petty-for-nothing, oppositional a**h*les? I say, yes he does.
THE GOP do not like Hagel because he criticized Israel for attacking civilians in Lebanon , Wow I guess he feels like he needs to go and kiss Netenyahe's ass before he gets the job , The guy is telling the truth , stick to your principles , because that something McCain and Lieberman and Graham lost long time ago .
Amen, amen. the bomb, bomb boys did not ask one question concerning Hegel's upcoming responsibilities. McCain was all worried about a surge which Hegel answered correctly by saying "history hasn't told us the answer to that yet." Hegel is correct, McCain was totally off base and being aware of the camera kept interrupting anything Hegel wanted to say. As for Graham, the Secretary of Defense has nothing to do with nor say so about US-Israeli policy. After two whole weeks on the job, where does Cruz get his knowledge of DOD policy nor operations. As for budgeting, the Secretary only submits a budget request. As of this date Paul Ryan a House Republican has the total responsibility develop the Federal budget including Defense. These Republicans just wanted airtime and left their brains at home.
Well,i just watched crash plane Johnny McCain,grill chuck.Grilling another republican,for a Republicon crime. War,,,,,,
Bulletman- just another ignorant fcuk.
So, only "questions" from republicans? Dems will not "question" Hagel's past? Are they the Obamadroids?
By the way, how is that "Arab Spring" working out in Egypt?
I'm getting tired of old man Mccain will someone please tell him to retire and go home, the longer he stays the stupier he sounds and the rest of lunatic Repubs.. Why do they go against their own party if they think it benefit Pres. Obama, isick of this hatry that they have for the man, don't they know the more they criticize him the more people like him, what they need to do is take a lesson from him on how to treat people in general and they would be liked too, until they stop it they will never get the people of color vote, they need to stop playing this childish game with the american future and start doing something instead of always saying NO - if you don't try some of his plan then tell me how do you know it want work, the repubs. are not the smartest people you know they are rather dum and out of touch with the 98%, no way in 2014 ill vote for anything that starts with R!
Correct me if I'm wrong, wasn't Hagel a Republican that helped John McCain's presidential compaigns and didn't McCain himself once say he would have put Hagel in the exact same position he's being appointed to now?
What you have to understand about McCain is that he is a progressive liberal masquerading as a conservitive. McCain "evolves" based on what wil get him re-elected.
Your wrong.
Actually, Hagel is RINO who betrayed the republican party by endorsing The Obama in 08 instead of McCain, also an interesting note, he owns a company that writes voting software. During his own election the incumbent was highly favored to win but miraculously Hagel won with an 80% landslide. This is payback from The Obama for helping rig the election last year, but as usual, the Ministry of Truth will never investigate or report on any of these facts.
Unfortunately McCain isn't even a shadow of who he used to be. He was once considered the heir of Barry Goldwater. Even in 2008 he stood up to a woman who called the President an "Arab" a "Moselm". McCain used to be a mans man he had balls, now a gutless wonder. McCain was called a RINO by his party, the Christian Taliban, Klan/Tea Party GOP. The party of hate and white trailer trash. I can never decide who is the most ignorant the born with a silver spoon in their mouth left or the white trailer trash on the extreme right. I also wonder why so many politicians feel the need to always kiss the a$$ of Israel. How much money do they give us, how many of their troops are in Iraq or Afghanastan? Doesn't anyone remember Jonathan Pollard or the USS Liberty??? If someone acted that way about the Brits or the French their would be a revolt. What do they have on them??
Sarah rocks!
Post after post she gives informed, intellectual answers to insults hurled at her by and right wing nut jobs who attempt to surround their thoughtless opinions with pseudo-intellectual fabrications, distortions and conspiracy theories. Her posts are factual, and well articulated. Those who disagree with her should attempt to understand her points rather than just hurl more invective her way, and our country would be much better off. She elevates the debate to a level really undeserved by her adversaries. Thank you Sarah.
Shawntae Howard post #25...yes, you are correct which makes McCain's questioning all the more disgusting.
Lindsey Graham...from this voter instead of using old statements about being "goated by a group," stop wasting the taxpayers money playing politics. Yes...playing politics which Americans are fed-up with and you seem to find explainable. Yours and McCain's performance lacked integrity eliminating any credibility you may of had before.