Feel better? Need a nap?

Wow Tony, I am in awe. Playing x-box does not give you veteran status either.

A lot of New York big talk, but we know you are a cream puff.

you tellem tony your probably one of those tough new yorkers who sees someone in trouble and just keeps on walking!

President Obama's claim that he goes skeet shooting "all the time" at Camp David has been met with some raised eyebrows, and a challenge from one Republican congresswoman who offered to test his skills in a competition.

The President embraced the hobby when he was asked by The New Republic magazine if he's ever fired a gun.

"Yes, in fact up at Camp David, we do skeet shooting all the time," Obama replied.

The comment came as a surprise to people on both sides of the gun control debate.

It appeared to be the first time the President has mentioned a skeet-shooting hobby. And while Obama has been photographed playing basketball, golfing and biking - he hasn't been snapped shooting at clay pigeons.

WHY is the government stockpiling "hollow point" bullets????????????

Joe Biden avoided the draft using a diagnosis of asthma, his preferred exercise was boxing. Howard Dean former presidential candidate used a doctors diagnosis of a bad back to avoid the draft, then went skiing in the alps while others died in war. Bill Clinton lied to avoid the draft. Yeah I know George Bush went in the national guard, but did not claim some bogus affliction like your heroes.

Why is it that any news article or report focuses on Americans hoarding and buying up stockpiles of ammunition when the Government is doing the same damn thing?? http://www.examiner.com/article/dhs-adds-200-000-rounds-to-its-2-billion-round-stockpile

On top of that, why has there NOT been any guidelines in regards to Mental Health since it went hand in hand with every single tragedy that happened? Or is simply having a background check the ' serious part ' of mental illness? WTF!

Is there no one who keeps an eye on TONY?

Has he NO adult supervision?

Why won't his mom remove the computer in the basement and discipline this kid?

Typical for many gun nuts who could never defend themselves without a gun.

Hysterical Tony. If God forbid there was ever a home invasion against you and your family you just feel free to "put your dukes up". The bad guys will be armed.

Tony

How many deferments did Biden get?

If the government became tyrannical by abolishing elections and becoming a dictatorship, the armed citizens of the United States has a great chance of over-powering their tanks and jets and advanced weaponry. Again, sarcasm there.

Apparently the Taliban and Al Qaeda don't exist in psasjc's world.

Yes, the sole purpose of subways is to kill people while the sole purpose of firearms is to get from point A to point B. Could you please stop with nonsensical analogies.

Ah, sarcasm. I really think it's funny when people say guns are designed to kill. It doesn't take a brain to figure out guns were designed to fire projectiles. Wasn't that the whole idea of the primitive firework? Indeed it was, unfortunately the uninformed and factless like to propagate that guns were originally designed to kill when they were actually invented for entertainment.

Besides, if guns were only made to kill, why is mine able to shoot paper targets?

Not only has Homeland Security ordered 4.5 million rounds of hollow point bullets, they also are seeking 7000 AR-15 variants 5.56x45mm NATO{automatic} assault weapons. They call them Personal Defense Weapons{PDW}also known as "Assault Weapons" when in the hands of civilians. The firearm is described as a PDW-5.56x45 NATO, select-fire firearm suitable for personal defense use in close quarters and/or when maximum concealment is required. The Department of Homeland Security is also asking for 30 round magazines that hold those rounds. What is wrong with this pictrure? What are they preparing for?

If someone broke into tony's home he would make a great bullet catcher

tony I think you are the guy we need to protect ourselves from. I am not a fighter and I think your rage would probably kill me. Sorry, I'm going to put my life above yours.

half the country is against bans.... it isn't going to happen guys....

a ban won't work.... you had your shot, and you got Columbine and of the 2% of people that were using banned weapons... half of them just used handguns... and the other half ignored the ban...

it's just a big shell game for criminals.... and infringes on the rights of others....

Before Connecticut tragedy, administration eliminated emergency preparedness program,let school violence prevention programs lapse

Politicians across the country are vowing to do more to prevent school shooting tragedies like the one that unfolded Friday in Newtown, Conn. But over the last few years, the Obama administration and Congress allowed funding for several school safety initiatives to lapse.

Since I cant post the link here just add 3 W's and paste....

.washingtonguardian.com/washingtons-school-security-failure

oldhamletman,

You haven't seen the latest polls have you? FOX hasn't put them on! 80+% are for background checks for all. More than half are against selling assault rifles and the same for clips with multiple clips! I want to see the 2nd Amendment ended!

Ozmosis is dead on. EVERYONE needs to read post 1.23, it is 100% true that this month DHS has requested thousands of AR-15 semi-automatic rifles with 30 round magazines, the EXACT weapon that Di-Fi proposes to ban for civilians. To add insult to injury, DHS proposes to re-define the AR-15 as a "Personal Defense Weapon" for their own purposes, while the proposed legislation defines the exact same weapon as an "assault weapon" that has no use for civilian personal defense. The hypocrisy is astounding.

This gun grab by Obama will end up watered down by the time it passes Congress. Maybe they will add some amendments that stipulate that gangs and criminals are not allowed to carry guns of any kind. That sort of amendment would have as much chance of cutting down on gun violence as this proposal Obama sent to Congress. However, if they added an amendment that simply stated life with no parole for committing a crime with a gun, that might be a deterrent for some.

I sure hope Obamas gun control legislation includes a ban on assault rifles and high capacity mags in movies, video games, and television. And also the unlawful use of weaponry in rap and any other type of music. If there is not, then any intelligent American worth his salt has to question President Barack Hussien Obamas motives.

I want to see the 2nd Amendment ended!

How does it feel to want? There are EIGHTY FIVE million legal, law abiding gun owners in this Country.

Good luck trying to get the votes needed to overturn the Second Amendment.

You libtards are so dumb... go ahead, let your govt take your guns .. you think they will stop at just "assault" weapons.. again, proof you are all ignorant and dumb.. an assault weapon is no different than any other weapon .. only in name, is it different. Little by little, the govt is taking away your rights and you are just rolling over and letting them. So shut your mouth the next time you even think about complaining about anything. Instead, look in the mirror and repeat the words " I have nothing to complain about because it's all my fault"

as for the creme puff tony .. HHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA big talk from a guy hiding behind a computer in his mom's basement

Ya nobody can walk the streets like tony.all in drag

psasjc,

Even one homicide is one too many. No one has the right to take another's life.

For those of you who want to see the 2nd Amendment repealed...then I want a few Amendments of my own choosing repealed. Is that how it works now?

Secondly, bearing a firearm is a RIGHT, not a priviledge....it's clear that quite a large group of people certainly don't understand that point at all.

Third, if you want to say that people can't own a firearm because they are "mentally ill", then I don't want those people voting either. If they are too mentally ill to be entrusted with an inanimate object, they certainly can't be trusted with a vote that helps set the course, policies and direction of our government and, by extension, our society.

I'm all for disenfranchising people of their right to own a firearm on the basis of mental illness if you are equally for disenfranshising people of their right to vote on the same grounds.

Sorry, Commisaar Obama, but your silly gun law is dead in the water. Gun ownership cuts across all parties, and will trump partisanship.

I have to go now; New York Tony might find me, and I'm really afraid of him.

clwyd - you do realize that the media is a big business concerned with making money, money comes from advertisers, advertisers come from high ratings, and high ratings come from people who tune in to watch negative events. Whether it's gun-related, health-related, business-related, even weather-related, come to think of it, there are hardly ANY feel-good positive stories reported anywhere. Point is this: just because a reporter hasn't written about it, and you haven't read about it, doesn't mean it isn't happening all the time, every day.

Now, you listed about 11 events this month where a gun was used for violence. You do realize that means 309,999,989 weapons were NOT used for violence this month? Seems you are willing to trample the rights of the vast majority, to *possibly* save the lives of the very few? If that is the case, then I must ask, where is your evidence to support that banning weapons from law-abiding civilians will prevent the mentally ill or criminals from obtaining weapons (or any other instrument) and enacting violence? There isn't any. That's because we have had weapons bans in the past, and criminals and mentally ill still find ways to harm. That is what they do - give them a gun, a knife, a truck full of fertilizer, or a box cutter on an airplane, they will find a way to kill people. We are having the wrong debate focused on guns when we should be talking about expanding mental health services and improving criminal rehabilitation.

clwyd-2621393

oldhamletman,

You haven't seen the latest polls have you? FOX hasn't put them on! 80+% are for background checks for all. More than half are against selling assault rifles and the same for clips with multiple clips! I want to see the 2nd Amendment ended

I'm glad the second amendment exist, our founding fathers were clever to include the right of the citizens to bear arms to protect our country from tyranny , if the power of the leadership overstep our Democracy and turn the government against the citizens , we will be ready with all kind of weapons to defend our country. You will never have the chance to see the end of the second amendment .

Gallup polls shows that 51 percent of Americans oppose a ban on semiautomatic firearms known as ‘assault’ rifles, proving that those who wish to renew a Clinton-era Assault Weapons Ban have a tough hill to climb. by contrast, only 44 percent favor an outright ban on ‘assault weapons

clwyd..................why don't you list the TWO MILLION times a year that honest citizens use guns to prevent crime or to defend themselves??? Liberals........................................................

Why is the government stockpiling ammunition?.

Why is it Okay to give Egypt F-16's, Tanks, Machine guns and ammo all the while banning guns in America?

One important fact I have NOT heard, is, if the government can do background checks, THEY WILL HAVE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS! No, they won't take your guns away now, but will be set when and if they want to in the future. That's their insurance. And you'll be on a list, for some other newspaper to put you on a map. What will your insurance be? And will criminals allow background checks, or continue buying their guns on the black market? Every person who believes ANY gun control will stop ANY of these sensless killings is an idiot! Mental health, which our governments (fed and local) dumped many years ago, due to cost, will be the best way to curb these whackos before they do something. We live in a complicated, complex and confusing world today, with morals pushed aside for pleasure and self desire, with lying becoming the norm with entitlement pressing to the top of the list. We now have a President who encourages entitlement. Young people used to have more complete guidance from parents, teachers mentors, but government - pushed laws have taken those tools out of the home and school, leaving teens to figure things out for themselves, or from peers (who don't know any more than they do). Families used to go to church together, sit at a dinner table together, have conversations with each other. Now, earbuds are the thing, cutting off any chance a teen will hear advice from their elders. Or anybody else.

tonywarvet, you must not have a family, and must be so full of phoney "machosim", that you think you're a war machine. We don't need to walk down New York streets at night without a gun to feel brave, but we do need a gun in our home to defend our family. What if I'm not home - my wife still needs to protect herself.

Ralph DeMattia, you forgot Mexico, where guns are not allowed for law - abiding citizens, and look at how well that's working. The military, police and cartels are the only ones with guns - and look at how many people died in ONE year by guns. Well, get ready folks - the cartels are in the US, and we're going to see all the horrors right here under our noses. Imagine how much fun that will be if none of us have guns to protect ourselves.

It's not about paranoia, it's about insurance. You have auto insurance, home insurance, life insurance - are you paranoid? Do you PLAN to get in a wreck? Do plan for your home to burn down? Or are you one of those people who say, "it'll never happen to me"? So many people don't understand reality - they live in in a safe, non - threatening world, where nobody gets robbed, raped, murdered. Do you leave your car unlocked? House unlocked?

We have a terrible excuse for a President, who cannot lead our government, lobbyists, edging the rest of us out of fair representation, greedy politicians, shrinking dollar, debts going out of sight, so many people out of work, or working more than one job to stay afloat, and our government is more concerned with making sure homosexuals can marry, taking the privacy of owning a gun away, opening the gates to illegal aliens (who, by the way, are criminals) and figuring out how to spend MORE money! Sad.

Why aren't they targeting gang members? Hayia Pendleton just got killed in Chicago, a bright young girl that just performed at his inauguration. She lived in... you guessed it, obama's home city, the city this 'godfather' runs, the city with the strictest gun laws in the nation, the city with the highest number of homicides in the country.

I have no problem with enforcing background checks, enforcing gun laws on the mentally ill, etc. But much like his immigration proposal, he leaves a big gaping hole for those he wants as new welfare recipients, those he wants to vote democrat. He doesn't go after the gangs at all. If he seriously wanted to cut down on the number of murders in our country, he would hit the gangs hard.

obama is a pussy and doesn't have the guts to do whats right.

@ clwyd-2621393 are you just rude, a troll? Oh maybe a crook wanting our weapons gone?

You said "LaPierre needs to have one of his assault rifles turned against him!", Hmm, Rude but also Its not an Assault Rifle... Heck they aren't even Assault Weapons!!! Remember some branches of the government want to label a shoe string as an fully automatic weapon?

The AR, UZI, AK and M1 Carbine all use Magazines NOT "Clips"

You also said "I want to see the 2nd Amendment ended!", So go ahead and take my legally registered weapons and guess what... Crooks still keep theirs... Wow?

More Gun Laws, Why? VP Biden is quoted as saying the government doesn't have the time or man power to chase down people lying on the Form 4473 which is the background check form.

AGAIN ALL "Anti Gun People" - The NRA and I am sure most gun owners don't care about having a more thorough background check being completed and I believe the NRA assisted in the current background check system, we do worry about registration... Just look at Australia?

Clwyd probably wont even read this?

Moo

An estimated two million incidents per year of law abiding citizens using their legally obtained guns to save life and not a single line ever appears in the press.

The only reason Japan decided not to invade America after Peal Harbor was the number of guns in the hands of American citizens.

One attacker is one thing, three attackers is quite another, 30 rounds is barely enough to stop three armed individuals with bad intent.

Invasion is in a class by itself, hence the need for citizens to be armed with high powered semiautomatic or even select fire weapons with high capacity magazines.

Naivete and high Karate will not help you in the face of a real attack involving multiple armed assailants... stupid...

I'd rather be a live "pussy" with a hot gun in his hand than a dead tough guy with a black belt any day.

So here it comes again...Everyone who carries a gun is Paranoid. And there is your mental illness.

Even though it is a Reality Based Anxioty. And there is another mental illness.

So who determines what mental illnesses disqualify a person from owning a gun?

A Democrat Socialist Psychologist who is a Phd. Candidate, like the Aurora shooter is.?

these Fast and Furious myrders will be named after Obama and Holder so the continuing Obama/Holder murders are ...to be investigated..when Obama and the Criminal Contempt of Congress, Eric Holder finally get their day in court. who woll be impeached for the murders? it won't be a walk away deal like, Hillary "Mrs. Impeached" Clinton's Benghazi.

Ever notice how on all of these NBC and MCNBC articles the FIRST person to comment is always a liberal who supports the story line? They must pass the story around the office first to let their liberal colleages comment on it then push it out onto the web. Then some little intern there shoots down all the comments that go against the story.

I used data from two web site and added up the number of AR-15s and Ruger Mini 14s a web site said were in circulation and compaired that to the 4 "mass" shootings that Piers Morgan keeps saying are epidemic. Using those numbers to compute odds, there is a 1 in 1,113,700 chance that one of these shootings will occur again.

So the democrats want to deprive 300,000,000 Americans of their rights because of the acts of less than 10 individuals over the course of about 10 years. In what reality does this make sense?

If one thinks of it realistically most of society is good and moral. For the most part we don't go around killing each other with impunity. If one or two people would have been armed in that school then the death toll would have been a lot less. Then again he could have drove a vehicle into the building, used a fire bomb, or a sword like the guy in China. There are crazy people in the world and no amount of government restrictions on the personal freedoms of law abiding citizens is going to stop all of them. Criminals DO NOT OBEY LAWS! That's what makes them criminals!

Lastly, to Piers Morgan and Sen Fienstien who say we don't "need" these types of weapons; it is not for you to decide what we need or what. The Constitution says "shall not be infringed." The word "shall" in legal terms is an absolute, there is no gray area. The phrase "shall not" means YOU CAN"T DO THIS! That one statement says you DO NOT HAVE THE AUTHORITY to restrict weapons!

psasjc --- you must be confusing the NRA with Unions. When I think of Unions, I think of Organized Crime, the Mafia, and most of all I think of corruption. Even today, Union Officials across the U.S. are either under indictment, on trial or in jail. If you would read past History, there are sever instances that parallel EXACTLY what O'Bama is currently attempting. Gun Control, controlling the Press, redistribution of wealth remaining, massive Entitlement Programs to make citizens dependent on Government under the control of 1 individual. This is O'Bama's form of Slavery, the Government and O'Bama are the Slave owners with the slaves dependent on him for their survival. These are the same policies used by the Dictator's Hitler, Mussolini, Stalin and current Dictators in South America, Cuba, Africa, Iran and the Middle East. O'Bama is a dangerious peerson and is a threat to a Free U.S.A.. His expanded use of Social Media to rule rather than be a President that Leads and unites will come back to attack his Dictatorship. His ignoring of the Laws & Constitution of the U.S. and his dividing of the U.S. along racial and economic divides will cause an armed Revolution in this country that will remove him from office similar to those Dictators from regimes from History.

I laugh when I read that anyone who owns a gun is either a "gun nut", or a "sicko". Not all gun owners carry a weapon on their person, some actually DO hunt, most gun owners are perfectly intelligent people who belive the same as every country in the world - if you have weapons, that becomes a deterrent. And before you jump on the ban guns bandwagon, understand MOST of those politicians who are trying to ban guns, HAVE GUNS OF THEIR OWN! Dianne Feinstein has a carry permit, yet she is pushing the hardest. Music stars, movie stars, politicians, CEO's - if they don't actually have a gun, they have guns protecting them. The Pres doesn't want guns in the schools, yet HIS DAUGHTERS ARE PROTECTED IN SCHOOL WITH GUNS! When are you people going to wake up to reality?

Military is sworn to protect the Constitution - so is Obama, yet he has attacked the Constitution at every turn - illegals are NOT ALLOWED to stay in the US, but he's changing all that. We're allowed to own guns, but he's changing all that. We're allowed freedom of religion, but he's changing all that. WAKE UP PEOPLE!

This is another case of very unnessasary congress spending. They already have many guns laws on the books now that these shooters or average criminals don't pay a bit of attention too.They should notice that by the amount of guns that Chicago took away from criminals in a weekend. And the number of junk guns they dumped on Philly. Our congress knows whatever they do is not going to help. I think they sre just trying to hide other things. I look everyday for an uprizing because of Obama giving the jets and tanks to Egypt. I wish you anti-gun people would realize that if you don't protect yourself now,your chances of being robbed and killed are much greater. People are doing anything for money. As for me when i awake in the morning my 9mm goes in my holster and stays concealed under my shirt. And i have a legal permit that i went through a backgroung check to get. And if the day ever comes and i have to defend myself and my family,i will be much better equiped. If i get killed in a gun battle,than i at least know i tryed. Unlike you people i'm not going to be crying help,and trying to call 911 when they shoot me,or rape my wife and daughter in front of me. You people better quit your complanning and wake up to reallity. Guns save as many lives as they take.

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AlexM-2364525

in 2010, the Supreme Court lessened the controls in Chicago giving the weight of gun freedoms to the gun owners.

MORE: Justices lean to extending gun owners' rights
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Chicago: 2010 Supreme Court ruling tilts law against limits on guns - USATODAY.com

SOURCE:

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/washington/judicial/2010-06-28-gun-rights-supreme-court-ruling_N.htm

AS PREDICTED in 2010

The ruling generated concern from city officials worried it would undercut gun laws and lead to more violence.

"Across the country, cities are struggling with how to address this issue," Chicago MayorRichard Daley said at City Hall. "Common sense tells you we need fewer guns on the street, not more guns."

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Police will tell you that UNCHECKED STRAW SALES are the leading cause of gun violence.

Protesting a universal gun control is counter intuitive if the NRA wants wants respectability.

@psasjc

doesn't want to see any reasonable restrictions made that will lessen the excessively high and rising firearm murder rate in the US

I'm no fan of the NRA, but you should really stop listening the Piers Morgan and do some research yourself. We currently have some of the lowest #'s for gun-related murders in modern history. Since 2005, only 12,000 people a year (on average) are murdered by guns. Only 8,600 were murdered in 2011 (according to FBI Criminal Statistics).

During the 1994 to 2004 "assault weapon" ban? We averaged 19,000 people a year. So in 10 years of ban we lost, on average, 70,000 more people with stricter gun restrictions and mag cap limits than we have in the 8+ years since the ban went away and people were allowed to own higher capacity magazines and "evil looking" semi-auto rifles.

Btw, NYC is one of the safest cities in America. They had 414 homicides in 2012 which is astonishingly low for a city which boasts 8.2+ million residents

So you think NYC is safe because they had 414 homicides for 8.2 million residents? That a 0.005% murder rate, correct (414/8200000)?

We have 315,000,000+ "residents" in the US, for which in 2011 we had 8600 gun related murders. That's a 0.0027% murder rate (8660/315000000). So NYC is almost twice as "deadly" as the US as a whole (based on these two calculations), yet NYC is safe and the rest of the US is having "excessively high and rising firearm murder rates"? I think not my friend.

I am glad that we truly are seeing record lows in murder rates in both NYC and the US as a whole, so why are we trying to go back to 1994 murder rates by reinstating this ban again?

12,000 murders a year are definitely tragic, but we've already shown that in 8+ years with more firearms and more firearm options, that we have 30% less murder and much less other "violent crimes". So, let's not repeat the mistakes of our past by going back to the ban that cost us so many more lives.

Let's instead focus our time/money/resources on hitting the big issues that cause all this unneeded violence, gangs (which law enforcement states makes up ~75% of all gun related murders) and mental illness (which most of the 62 mass shootings in the past 20 years have indicated they likely had some form of).

So here it comes again...Everyone who carries a gun is Paranoid. And there is your mental illness.

Even though it is a Reality Based Anxioty. And there is another mental illness.

So who determines what mental illnesses disqualify a person from owning a gun?

A Democrat Socialist Psychologist who is a Phd. Candidate, like the Aurora shooter is.?

These "Fast and Furious" murders will be named after Obama and Holder so the continuing Obama/Holder murders are ...to be investigated..when Obama and the Criminal Contempt of Congress, Eric Holder finally get their day in court. who will be impeached for the murders? it won't be a walk away deal like, Hillary "Mrs. Impeached" Clinton's Benghazi Massacre.

Joe, Well said. I call our country now, The Undivided States of Obama!!!

So. All of you liberals that grace these comment sections of MSNBC believe that American citizens shouldn't own guns.

Who the @!$%# has ever said that? Way to stir the pot with outright lies.

Joe, Well said. I call our country now, The Undivided States of Obama!!!

Yeah because everything was peaches and cream before him right?

Ronald Hussein Reagan

I used to wonder where alll the RWingnuts got aslll their overheated rhetoric. Now I seee it comes directly from this LaPierrre character.....

We don't need LaPierre speak for us, our founding fathers already did.

Why aren't they targeting gang members? Hayia Pendleton just got killed in Chicago, a bright young girl that just performed at his inauguration.

You are perfectly right, Government should be focus in criminals and the unattendent mentally ill not in law abiding citizens. Since the fast and furious failure this administration was waiting an opportunity to take away our guns.

90%

of ALL Americans

want UNIVERSAL GUN CONTROLS

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and the posters who rage against this common sense approach...can barely articulate a coherent thought when they post on this Vine.

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Their irrational arguments pretty much identify themselves as the folks who should not have guns.

LOL, RI Mom....

You gun control folks are backed into the corner with factual statistics and questions everyday on this board, and the most common response from you folks is name calling and rediculous statements. While I do see name calling from both sides, the largest majority of it is from those that have only emotion to present their argument. (which would be your group) Just look at the very 1st post on this thread....typical. AND, these moderators here will allow it because they only ban folks that don't agree with you.

Just ask yourself 1 question for every suggestion you have to limit the 2nd amendment before you spew your broken arguement here. "What does this do to stop a criminal from committing evil?" If you had asked that question when you supported "Gun Free Zones" many of these despicable acts most likely wouldn't have occured.

I know you folks can't help the name calling, it's how your Great Leader conducts business...you've just learned by the example that has been set for you.

usa,

Nice made up figures! I have yet to read any here where 2 million times a year people use guns to protect themselves and their property? What is you source? FOX?

Many have died on the battlefield PROTECTING our freedoms. these freedoms are NOT granted by the Constitution, they are only enumerated. Any encroachment on the right to protect & defend the individual will extend to the protection of our country.

Mr LaPierre is a champion for the single freedom that protects all others.

Check your history books & around the world today.... the less individual right to defense, the less freedom enjoyed by the whole.

It does not surprise me that Wayne LaPierre is a coward..

Anti-gun nuts, I'm going to use Obama's own words, so read slowly so that you understand what comes next. "If it saves one life it's worth trying". OK now let's look at that. If increasing gun controls save one life, then banning texting and cellphone use while driving should be implemented. How about requiring breathalyzers on cars to prevent drunk driving? The list could go on and on. In Texas alone, over 3000 people died in drunk driving accidents in 2012. That's more than all the mass murder victims of 2012. If trying to save one life causes the creation of laws that do nothing to achieve that end, what greater restriction of liberties and freedoms can we expect in the future?

TWO MILLION times a year that honest citizens use guns to prevent crime or to defend themselves?

Because that statistic is most likely not true?

Redvirginia, Y

Yes they did speak and started the 2nd Amendment with "for a militia!"

We don't need guns for self defense. That's what we pay cops for...

If you believe that, then you don't need a fire extinguisher in your kitchen. That's what the fire department is for.

I'm going to use my own words! AverageJoe. "Stop the F ing slaughter on the streets, in the schools, in the malls, on college campuses and in your neighborhoods with too many guns and assault rifles with too many rounds in the clips!" This is not what our Founding Fathers had in mind and the specifically state in the 2nd Amendment : "for a militia!"

Hey... dumb f*cks... Obama is not taking our weapons. He is not dissolving the second amendment. It will never happen.

Jeffor, I do! Don't think Americans should own guns!

90%

of ALL Americans

want UNIVERSAL GUN CONTROLS

citations needed.

well after reading many different links provided by posters, it is clear our government is planning some sort of domestic operation with the use of assault weapons...

using a hollow point for target practice, yeah if you plan on blowing the target to smithereens!

I fear the government, they have armed themselves for domestic war

wow our country is ruined

Some people just do not get it!

The 2nd Amendment is the cornerstone of what the government CAN NOT do. It is the key to the handcuffs of government, without the deterrent, all the rest are fair game.

For those that say "trust the government", when was the last time "the government" trusted you? Do you pay your taxes or are they withheld? When was the last time you walked freely into a government building without some sort of "security" check?

This whole thing about gun control is just that, the government taking the last bastion of independence away from the citizens.

It has nothing to do with "saving" the children, the nuts will still find a way to reek havoc and destruction.

This entire gun control ideology, replete with talk of bans of various kinds, will ultimately get wrapped up into a Gordion knot and fade away.

clwyd-2621393

Look up the FULL definition of "militia", not just the 1 description you like.....

Gun-death tally: Every American gun death since Newtown Sandy Hook shooting (INTERACTIVE).

As of yesterday.....

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/crime/2012/12/gun_death_tally_every_american_gun_death_since_newtown_sandy_hook_shooting.html

I'm saddened that the NRA rhetoric won't even consider equalizing a gun control so the guns aren't a weapon of criminal rage.

We have a PROVEN flawed system.

It isn't just MENTAL ILLNESS...it isn't just MOVIES..... it is the availability of guns.

I would expect that the Kelly/La Pierre exchange will resemble the Piers Morgan/Alex Jones psycho 'outing' (and I thought Monty Python was way out there).

From what I've seen in interviews of both, the only difference in their respective rationale's is obsession (La Pierre) and hysteria (Jones).

In the context of even the most fundamental civility, both are signal aberrations, and not the least bit convincing.

I live in a semi-rural area where we have a problem with feral hogs and coyotes. Police response is about 45 minutes if not longer. What would any of you anti-gun folks recommend I use to stop a 400 lb hog from trying to eat my grandson or a pack of coyotes from killing my dogs, if I can't have a rifle? The most effective rifle I have found on coyotes is my AR-15. Or perhaps I should just let the non existent animal control round them up and make pets of them.

Heil Obama! Let's continue to waste time on useless legislation which will go nowhere. Americans don't want it and even if the Senate puts together legislation, brings it to a vote, and manages to pass it; it will not survive the House. But it's all deflection. Here's what the failure-in-chief avoids talking about:

http://www.cnbc.com/id/100419252

Gimme a double-dip of that recession and throw some sprinkles on it.

You have a greater chance of being struck by lightning as opposed to being shot with an "assault weapon".

The WRONG people have access to guns.

How are you going to fix that?

How is the NRA going to stop STRAW SALES... the kind that give guns to the WRONG people?

Heil republican Sheist Kopf Party!

@clwyd,

The only reason you never hear about someone protecting them self with a gun is it is mostly local and the government is trying to ban guns they don't want the media showing how guns protect.

You have false information if you only provid on half. Here in florida it is all over the news how robbers lost because of a armed store owner.

Give me some time and I will make you a list 60 times longer than yours from people protecting themselfs with a gun..

And I know about 30 that just came out on the new all around but just like a DEMS never show the thruth only what you want to use to brainwash.

Wake up dude..

An estimated two million incidents per year of law abiding citizens using their legally obtained guns to save life and not a single line ever appears in the press.

this "statistic" is total bull@!$%#, an outright lie if you will.

Do you honestly expect intelligent folks to believe that there are 5,500 incidents PER DAY that involve a private citizen using a gun to protect a life? Seriously?

Total F'ing BS...

Tony, my husband and I are gun owners and are licensed to carry concealed. We live in a great neighborhood with its own police force. But if someone were to bust down my door, they'd get a body full of lead. I'd rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6. And thank God I live in Texas. And by the way, Chicago, which has some of the strictest gun laws in the country, also had the highest homicide rate in 2012. Yeah, gun control really works. In favor of the criminals. You're a fool.

Bryan, Ha ha ha!

Thanks for the compliment! I'm 68 years old and retired. You may wonder why I'm so anti guns? Well, I've mentioned it before so I will say it again. My step-sister's neighbor, in Arkansas, kept telling her and us how he needed his guns to protect his property. He was a drunk and never should have been allowed a gun in the first place regardless of the 2nd Amendment! He went out one night came home with conceal and carry, but went to the wrong house. When he saw someone was in the house he fired 5 times and killed by sister. She was still in her wheelchair at the time!

The WRONG people have access to guns.

How are you going to fix that?

RI Mom, from the sentiment of most of your posts, can it be assumed that you advocate taking them away from the RIGHT people?

Olivia, Do you think a robber would give you warning? Has having a gun saved anyone in the schools, malls, college campuses, homes and neighborhoods yet? The "Wild West" lives!

Rob Wi,

Where the heck do you live.. Joe McCarthy territory? Take the darn guns away from everyone!

How is the NRA going to stop STRAW SALES

Not the responsibilty of the NRA. Who, of course represents legal gun ownership.

Perhaps you should talk to Eric Holder and Hillary Clinton. They seem to support straw gun purchases.

clwyd-2621393, Don't think Americans should own guns!

When you can get rid of all guns everywhere in the world...
Including every Police Force and Army across the globe then I will gladly support you and your Utopia.

Until then, I support the 2nd Amendment.

(FYI: I don't own any guns either.)

clwyd-2621393

Redvirginia, Y

Yes they did speak and started the 2nd Amendment with "for a militia!"

We all are militia. Not the Army, not the National Guard that didn't exist nor created by our founding fathers, we all are the militia.

Not the responsibilty of the NRA. Who, of course represents legal gun ownership.

Perhaps you should talk to Eric Holder and Hillary Clinton. They seem to support straw gun purchases.

First, the NRA does not "represent legal gun ownership," they represent "gun manufacturers." There is a HUGE and very important distinction.

Second, you're barking at the wrong people. The State Department and DOJ have virtually nothing to do with policing firearm sales in this country. That responsibility belongs to the ATF, which has been systematically defanged (at the behest of the NRA and it's Republican allies in Congress) for many years now.

The ATF might be in a position to monitor and regulate "straw sales," if their ability to do so hadn't been stripped by the Republican's in Congress...

When you can get rid of all guns everywhere in the world...
Including every Police Force and Army across the globe then I will gladly support you and your Utopia.

Until then, I support the 2nd Amendment.

(FYI: I don't own any guns either.)

I actually agree with this. I currently do not own any firearms, but I am in no way an advocate for the repeal of the 2nd amendment.

That being said, expanding background checks and mental health checks, prosecuting straw purchases, and restricting magazine size IN NO WAY infringes on the 2nd amendment (and also polls very highly nationwide) and therefore I see no reason why some of this more common sense initiatives can't and shouldn't be enacted.

The fact is that the vast majority of firearm homicides are committed with handguns, which also happen to serve as the best form of personal, in-home protection (along with a shotgun). I would not get on board with a complete handgun ban, that's stupid. But I absolutely support forcing owners of said firearms to pass background checks upon purchasing them, register their weapons, and be prosecuted if they sell that firearm to another individual without completing the necessary paperwork (e.g., background check again, transfer of license, etc., etc.)

Where are the stories of people protecting their homes, businesses and family?? I read nothing ot them as that is not what guns are being used for today in America. End the 2nd Amendment!

Here you go, silly person:

When the owner of a private farm returned home, he spotted two men in a pick-up truck trespassing on his property. The men had helped themselves to anything of value they could find in various buildings on the property. The owner armed himself with a handgun and confronted the men instructing them to stop, get out of the vehicle and lie on the ground. One man complied while the other got out of the vehicle and acted threateningly toward the homeowner. When the aggressive man reached into the bed of the pick-up, presumably for a weapon, the owner reacted in self-defense and fired. The man was later taken to the hospital and treated for non life-threatening injuries. Both trespassers face felony charges including breaking and entering, larceny and conspiracy. (Bluefield Daily Telegraph, Rock, WV, 11/6/12)

A 35-year-old woman woke around 3:30 a.m. and checked on her husband, who was up late working on his computer. The couple was startled when their home alarm sounded. The woman’s husband checked the surveillance footage on his computer only to discover four masked men working to pry open a window. One of the men carried a rifle. As the woman dialed 911, her husband retrieved his own firearm. The intruders gained entry within minutes. The homeowner crouched behind a sofa and fired. The intruders returned fire before fleeing the home. No one was reportedly injured. (The Times-Picayune, New Orleans, LA, 11/16/12)

Roger Webster, owner of Webster’s Store, and a female customer were standing in front of the store when two men approached and forced them back into the store. Webster and the customer were held at gunpoint and ordered to give up money from the cash register. Webster complied. When the men demanded even more money, Webster motioned as if retrieving more cash, but instead retrieved his handgun from the register and fired several rounds at the armed suspect. Both men fled. Neither Webster nor the customer were harmed. (Dorchester Banner, Cambridge, MD, 11/2/12)

A 35-year-old woman called 911 after a man followed her home from a gas station and forced his way inside through the front door. The woman allegedly ordered the man to leave then retreated to her bedroom. The intruder picked up a knife from the kitchen table and followed her. It was reported that he threatened the woman with the knife and ordered her to take off her clothes. She warned the man that she would shoot him, but he continued to push her to undress. She retrieved a 9 mm handgun from underneath a pillow on her bed and pointed it at the intruder. When he continued toward her, she pulled the trigger. The suspect was fatally wounded. (Santa Fe New Mexican, Alcalde, NM, 11/8/12)

Jill Stucker, 64, was at home watching television around 9:20 p.m. when a 26-year-old man broke in through a window. When Stucker heard the glass shatter, she armed herself with a handgun and proceeded to exit through the back door. As she fled her own home, the intruder followed. When Stucker realized she was being chased, she turned and fired a single shot striking him in the chest. The intruder fled, but later collapsed on a nearby doorstep. He was reportedly hospitalized in critical condition. (Lake City Reporter, Lake City, FL, 10/23/12)

Douglas Downs, 48, was at home with a friend, 36-year-old Andrew Boyd, shortly after midnight when several armed men broke into his home and tried to rob him. Boyd was forced into the basement before Downs managed to retrieve a handgun from a chair in the living room. Downs fired numerous rounds until the first man dropped his weapon. He then exchanged gunfire with a second intruder. A third intruder appeared and helped his accomplices out of the home to a vehicle where a fourth man waited. Police were later notified that a man with multiple gunshot wounds had been taken to a nearby hospital. All four men were later found, arrested and charged for their involvement in the home invasion. Downs and Boyd were uninjured. (York Daily Record, York, PA, 10/24/12)

Two men knocked on the door of a residence with ill intent. The door was answered by an 83-year-old woman using a walker. The men pushed against the door and gained entry with ease. One of the men stayed close to the elderly resident, while the second intruder made his way into the bedrooms. Fearing for her safety, the woman went to a desk in her living room where she kept her pistol. Upon seeing the gun, the suspect urged the other to “come on.” The men fled with cash and jewelry, but the resident was left unharmed. (The Greeneville Sun, Greene County, TN, 11/2/12)

Couldn't believe the Republican party is blowing the American people off for the NRA !!!

Blah Blah Blah

WRONG WRONG WRONG

Olivia Dunham

And by the way, Chicago, which has some of the strictest gun laws in the country,

READ POST 1.58

That "fool" comment... look up your facts 1st.

Has having a gun saved anyone in the schools, malls, college campuses, homes and neighborhoods yet?

Yes.

First, the NRA does not "represent legal gun ownership," they represent "gun manufacturers." There is a HUGE and very important distinction

Right, because the loons from the left say so. You have no idea what the NRA does. Do some research and stop being a drone. I know that may be hard for such a low information activist such as yourself

Care to take a guess as to which Department the ATF falls under? All that typing and so little knowledge

Are we at last brought to such an humiliating and debasing degradation that we cannot be trusted with arms for our own defense? Where is the difference between having our arms under our own possession and under our own direction, and having them under the management of Congress? If our defense be the real object of having those arms, in whose hands can they be trusted with more propriety, or equal safety to us, as in our own hands?

Just thought that I would post this, from an actual writer of the Constitution 216 years ago. It was written as to why they needed the Amendment.

seaskip

Couldn't believe the Republican party is blowing the American people off for the NRA !!!

According to Gallup poll, carried out Dec. 19-22, the NRA is viewed favorably by 54% of Americans, more than the president. I think NRA has a positive view from the president, he go skeet shooting all the time.LOL

NRA increase 250,000 members after this Administration start attacking the second amendment.

1.93

RobWI

I AM NOT ANTI-gun

NOT

NOT

NOT

There is your answer

90 % of us are LOOKING FOR SOLUTIONS to a problem.

Right, because the loons from the left say so. You have no idea what the NRA does. Do some research and stop being a drone. I know that may be hard for such a low information activist such as yourself

are you suggesting that the NRA DOES NOT primarily represent gun manufacturers?

And did you read the 2nd part of my post wherein I stated definitively I DO NOT wish to see the repeal of the 2nd amendment? If I were some "low info activist" as you call me, I'd say stupid @!$%# like "ban guns" as others on this board have stated. This is a nuanced debate, and "low info activists" have no use for nuance.

In addition, what part of universal background checks is radical or activist? It polls at like 91% nationwide. It would seem that those advocating to RESTRICT universal background checks (like the NRA) are the "activist radicals."

Care to take a guess as to which Department the ATF falls under? All that typing and so little knowledge

for all intents and purposes, the ATF is it's own entity charged with regulating alcohol, tobacco, and FIREARMS. It falls under the DOJ in the same sense that the National Institute of Health is part of HHS, or NIST is part of the DOC.

The ATF is an autonomous entity under the umbrella of a larger department because thats the way the government works, not because Eric Holder (or Hillary Clinton, who is part of the Dept. of State, which isn't even the umbrella dept. of the ATF) calls the shots. Trying to blame Eric Holder for the failing of the ATF to regulate gun sales instead of the legislative bodies of Congress for systematically defanging the ATF is ludicrous.

Hell, even if Eric Holder WANTED to step in and direct the ATF, he wouldn't legally be allowed to do anything different due to legislative red-tape wrapped around the ATF so tightly by the gun lobby...

{Addendum to my post above.}

Back to the department discussion. Claiming Eric Holder is charge of the ATF is like saying he also runs the FBI, Federal Marshals, and the DEA (amongst like 20 other offices and agencies).

Ludicrous on it's face.

NRA increase 250,000 members after this Administration start attacking the second amendment.

1.10g

redvirginia

You just discredited yourself with the irrational, incorrect, nonsensical 2nd Amendment statement.

YOUR President won with over a THREE MILLION VOTE LEAD.

The fact that there is no give whatsoever in the NRA's stand marginalizes them. As oppposed to President Obama who is always willling to sit down and be reaonable - like he was in the FIrst debate.) THis tellls me the NRA does not interadt with reality- they live ina world of ideology. If you don't know where that leads loook into China in the CUltural REvolution. - an instance of ideology run amok trumping commmon sense *(One of the things ideology invariably does. Funnny how alll the RIGHT wing gun wackos claim to be so independent and freeedom loving and yet they selll their brains and souls for an obviously false billl of goods. I don't think a sane person would want to have no control over gun usage and ownership and yet, many who claim to be sane want exactly that. Yes the same geniuses who claim Obama is Hitler. I say why stop at callling him Hitler when he is obviously either the Devil or the ANti-CHrist.) As I said, if he did one one milllionth of what the RIGHt wing GUn Wackos claimed there would be grown men wettting their pants in the street. (Because we alll know they're reallly not prepared to use those guns to protect their guns. By the way, like MItt ROmney I'm a gun owner and , like MIttt ROmney, use my gun to shooot varmint. (One shot Ronnie the groundhogs calll me.)

Hello tyler... *smiles*

Clwyd, yes, a robber would give me warning. I have an alarm system. I was home alone one day and heard a crashing noise downstairs. Grabbed my 9mm and went to check things out. It was just a bird crashing into a window. But I was prepared. I am trained in the use of firearms and prepared for any situation that I, as a law abiding citizen, might face.

And as for public places, I carry concealed always UNLESS a public place has the CORRECT "no guns allowed" sign. Most signs you see in those places are home made and here in Texas, according to the law, those don't count. If they DO have the lawful sign, I lock my gun up in the car. But I carry it, as permitted by my great state. As Heston said, "From my cold, dead hands."

Heston Lanza said, "From my cold, dead hands."

Heston Loughner said, "From my cold, dead hands."

Heston the Alzheimers guy said, "From my cold, dead hands."

You're grasping Drowning Glover. Actually, maybe your moniker is apt. You're drowning.

Without the knowledge of the state dept the guns would have never been allowed to "walk" into Mexico. And if you actually believe that no one at the Justice Dept has any idea what ATF is doing then you are even more deluded than even I believe. To believe as you do would be to admit that the whole administration is completely incompetent...

Wait, glad to see you're finally starting to get it.

For you Drowning. So you may begin to understand.

http://www.atf.gov/about/executive-staff/

http://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/2011/August/11-ag-1110.html

http://www.buckeyefirearms.org/node/8031

Understandibly, the cultists are a little sensitive in this area and attempt to make nonsense arguments to protect "Dear Leader". Holder is attempting to negotiate away his contempt of Congress charge over this issue. Why would he need to do that?

RI Mom, your solution is to take guns out of the hands of law abiding citizens. That's your solution. Some criminal nut job on the street isn't going to give up his guns. Why should I, a law abiding citizen, give up mine? Look up the laws in Australia and see how so-called "gun control" worked there. Pull your head out of the sand. There is nothing but liberal, BS static coming from you and other uniformed hysterical people like you.

You're grasping Drowning Glover. Actually, maybe your moniker is apt. You're drowning.

hardly. Calling someone a "low information activist" or "cultist" (especially someone like myself who actually isn't particularly "anti-gun") and repeatedly posting inanities like "HEIL OBAMA" (as you have in several of your posts now) is grasping. Trying to blame everything wrong in this world on the liberal boogie-man du jour, namely Hillary Clinton and Eric Holder, is grasping.

Back on topic, the DOJ has ultimate oversight over the ATF, just as they do over the FBI, the DEA, US Marshals, and about 25 other offices and agencies. But the purpose of my initial post in response to someone blaming "Hillary Clinton" and "Eric Holder" was to point out that ultimately the ATF is responsible for regulating firearms in this country (do you deny this?) and that their hands have been legislatively tied for years by gun lobby language inserted into bills by Republican representatives (do you deny this?).

This whole argument started when YOU posted:

Perhaps you should talk to Eric Holder and Hillary Clinton. They seem to support straw gun purchases.

I understand that your intent was to try and get a dig in on those two for the "Fast & Furious" BS (as currently they are the "liberal boogiemen du jour"), but did it ever occur to you WHY the ATF was running a straw buyer program in the first place?

It's because straw purchases are essentially LEGAL (at the behest of the gun lobby) and the ATF has no authority to stop them (again, at the behest of the gun lobby). Since they can't put a stop to straw purchasing, their only option remaining to stop gun trafficking to Mexican Drug Cartels is to ALLOW those straw purchases to continue and to attempt to track the guns back to the source.

Even if the rank-and-file members of the ATF wanted to regulate straw purchasing and the flow of guns into the wrong hands, as I assure you they do, THEY CANNOT DO SO DUE TO LEGISLATIVE RED TAPE (for the umpteenth time, at the behest of the gun lobby). Do you support this? Are you in favor of straw purchasing, in particular when those guns flows to Mexican cartels? Do you think the ATF should have the power to put a stop to this behavior? Apparently not...

Understandibly, the cultists are a little sensitive in this area and attempt to make nonsense arguments to protect "Dear Leader". Holder is attempting to negotiate away his contempt of Congress charge over this issue. Why would he need to do that?

See, crap like this is the VERY definition of grasping. "Cultist... Dear Leader," as if everyone out there who would like to see expanded background checks and the regulation of straw purchasing is a mindless automaton incapable of independent thought and hellbent on taking ALL your guns away and repealing the 2nd amendment.

Newsflash, I wholly support the 2nd amendment, gun ownership is clearly a Constitutional Right and I would in no way support an effort to eliminate that. Ordinarily, I would be on the side of gun owners in this debate but they've gone so @!$%#ing crazy in the last few decades that I cannot support them anymore.

They're against universal background checks (as Wayne LaPierre reiterated in front of the Senate today), they're pro straw purchasing, they think the ATF are a bunch of brownshirts coming to take their guns, they think that video games and movies are the primary cause of gun violence, and they think that ANY attempt, ANY attempt whatsoever, to regulate anything with regard to firearms (be it magazine size, types of ammunition, or "assault weapons") is akin to the government going door-to-door to confiscate grandpa's .22 that he gave you for your 14th birthday. It's @!$%#ing madness, and I cannot support that kind of stupidity.

If they want to argue against an assault weapons ban because it would likely be ineffective as "assault weapons" are rarely used in crime (something like 2% of gun homicides) and 10's of 1000's of these weapons already exist in society, so banning the sale of them won't truly limit the number in circulation, I MIGHT BE INCLINED TO AGREE WITH THEM!! There are many viable reasons why the "assault weapons ban" as proposed by Feinstein is a complete waste of @!$%#ing time!

But when their argument against an "assault weapons" ban essentially consists of (and I'm paraphrasing, but there are 100's of examples of posts like this in this thread alone):

OMFG, Chairman ObaMao is coming to take my guns away. HEIL OBAMA, he's a Stalinist Muslim Fascist DICTATOR!!1! and he wanTs our guns. Eric Holder and Hillary CLinton are hIs Deputees, these people are userpers, I must stay vigilant against the rise of the coming tyrannical government...

I want no part of that...

So the liberal gun-grabbers want to check you out before you buy a gun (which I agree with) but they don't care about checking you out before you vote. Very disturbing inconsistency!!

According to the National Self Defense Survey conducted by Florida State University criminologists in 1994, the rate of Defensive Gun Uses can be projected nationwide to approximately 2.5 million per year — one Defensive Gun Use every 13 seconds. Among 15.7% of gun defenders interviewed nationwide during The National Self Defense Survey, the defender believed that someone "almost certainly" would have died had the gun not been used for protection — a life saved by a privately held gun about once every 1.3 minutes.

Actually, those findings SURPRISED the main researcher - criminologist Gary Kleck - who is a member of the American Civil Liberties Union, Amnesty International USA, Independent Action, Democrats 2000, and Common Cause, among other politically liberal organizations. He is also a lifelong registered Democrat, as well as a contributor to liberal Democratic candidates. He is not now, nor has he ever been, a member of, or contributor to, the National Rifle Association, Handgun Control, Inc. nor any other advocacy organization, nor has he received funding for research from any such organizations.

The issue of guns in America needs to be discussed in a fair and balanced manner. Since most of the authors on this thread are obsessed with the offensive use of guns in the commission of crimes, I invite them to consider the defensive use of guns in the prevention of crimes.

According to The National Self-Defense Survey, the defensive use of guns is about three to four times as common as the criminal use of guns.

The National Self-Defense Survey was the first survey specifically designed to estimate the frequency of defensive gun uses. It asked all respondents about both their own use and those of other household members, inquired about all gun types owned, and excluded usage against animals or associated with occupational duties. It also established whether persons claiming a defensive gun use had actually confronted an adversary, actually used their guns in some way (such as threatening their adversaries), and had done so in response to a crime being committed against them.

The National Self-Defense Survey indicated that there are approximately 2.5 MILLION incidents of defensive gun use per year in the United States. A similar national survey conducted by the Police Foundation and sponsored by the National Institute of Justice almost exactly confirmed the findings of the National Self-Defense Survey.

In short, most uses of guns for either criminal or defensive purposes are less dramatic or consequential than one might think. Only 3% of criminal gun assaults involve anyone actually being wounded and the same is true of defensive gun uses. More commonly, guns are merely pointed at another person, or perhaps only referred to ("I've got a gun") or displayed, and this is sufficient to accomplish the ends of the user, whether criminal or non-criminal. Most defensive uses of guns did not in fact involve shooting anyone.

Those findings seem to track with my personal experience when someone was pounding on my front door at 3:00am so forcefully that the pictures on my walls rattled. When I opened the inner door (I also have an outer storm door) to see if it was a neighbor in an emergency situation, a large, strange man began hollering incoherent insults at me. So, I displayed my M1 carbine with a 30-round magazine and chambered a round (I still had the safety on). That display alone was enough to make the stranger flee. When the cops arrived about ten minutes later, they took my description of the stranger and proceeded to hunt for him in my neighborhood. I don't know if they ever found him. Nevertheless, my defensive use of a firearm (even though I only had to display it) will never be included in any statistical data base that casts firearms in a positive light.

By definition, all incidents involving successful defensive gun uses fall within the no-injury, no-property-loss category, and thus are largely invisible to the police. Consequently, police rarely hear about the bulk of successful defensive gun uses, instead hearing mostly about an unrepresentative minority of them containing a disproportionately large number of failures.

Moreover, according to crime incidents reported in the National Crime Victimization Survey, victims who use guns for self-protection are less likely to be injured or to lose property than otherwise similar victims who used other forms of self-protection or who did not resist at all.

So, if gun possession among law-abiding citizens tends to reduce violence, then reducing such gun possession is not a social good. I'm glad I own a gun...and one with a high-capacity magazine!

Finally, let’s not forget that NOT A SINGLE GUN was used on 9/11 or at the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building in downtown Oklahoma City on April 19, 1995; unspeakable evil will always find a way to express itself, with or without guns. Also, if the gun-grabbers think that the solution to reducing violence in America can be achieved by disarming and preventing citizens from defending themselves, maybe the same solution should be applied to reducing violence in the world at large by disbanding America’s military forces. How safe then do you think America would be in a world where only our enemies had guns...or better guns...or more guns?

So the liberal gun-grabbers want to check you out before you buy a gun (which I agree with) but they don't care about checking you out before you vote. Very disturbing inconsistency!!

to be fair, nobody has the potential of being killed when one pulls the lever in the ballot box, unless of course they die of a stroke or heart attack...

As an aside, I'm not particularly against voter ID requirements in general, I'm just against changing the voter ID requirements mere months in advance of a major Presidential election banking on the fact that millions of voters nationwide won't have ample time to get their documents in order quickly enough cast a ballot. Let's be honest, this is EXACTLY what the Republicans were trying to pull (and why the courts struck down Pennsylvania's voter ID requirement for THIS election, but not for future ones).

My opinion might differ more strongly if voter fraud were actually a legitimate problem in this country, but since it's not... /yawn

The National Self-Defense Survey indicated that there are approximately 2.5 MILLION incidents of defensive gun use per year in the United States.

I don't believe that survey nor those statistics for a second. 2.5 million incidents breaks down to 6,850 incidents PER DAY. Not only is that study from 1994, but it's a "self-reporting" survey, which will dramatically over report self-defense incidents.

The National Self-Defense Survey indicated that there are approximately 2.5 MILLION incidents of defensive gun use per year in the United States.

DrowningGrover:

YOU WROTE: "My opinion might differ more strongly if voter fraud were actually a legitimate problem in this country, but since it's not... /yawn."

MY RESPONSE: You seem to have a selective belief system wherein you refuse to acknowledge facts that differ with your rigidly-held OPINIONS.

So, what about the following examples of voter fraud (and these are just the ones uncovered because of aggressive investigations)?

In a story that did not receive the attention it deserved from the corrupt mainstream news media, a Mississippi jury found Lessadolla Sowers, who had been identified as a member of the executive committee of a county NAACP chapter, guilty of 10 counts of fraudulently casting absentee ballots in the name of others. (The date of the article is July 29,2011)

http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/peter-roff/2011/07/29/despite-what-democrats-claim-voter-fraud-is-real

LAKE COUNTY, Illinois - An illegal alien from the Philippines was arrested on a felony complaint charging her with 17 counts related to voter fraud in Lake County. The state charges resulted from a joint investigation conducted by U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement's (ICE), Homeland Security Investigations (HSI), and the Lake County State's Attorneys Office. The U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS) also provided assistance. (Now why would so many government agencies be investigating voter fraud if it weren't a known problem?)

Maria Azada, 53, of Grayslake, Illinois was arrested March 17 by ICE/HSI agents and a Lake County State's Attorneys special investigator. Azada faces 17 felony counts in Lake County Circuit Court of perjury, mutilation of election materials, and tampering with voting machines in connection with illegal voting by a non-U.S. citizen.

The investigation began in February 2009 when Azada admitted to a USCIS officer during an interview for an immigration benefit that she had voted in an election. It is illegal for foreign nationals to vote in national or state elections in the United States.

A subsequent investigation revealed that Azada allegedly voted nine times in primary, general and consolidated elections between 2003 and 2009. According to the arrest warrant, Azada allegedly falsely claimed to be a U.S. citizen on two Illinois Voter Registration applications. Notice if you will that this is from ICE.gov

http://www.ice.gov/news/releases/1103/110317lakecounty.htm

Then there is this one:

TROY — The arrests of seven Democrats in a vote-stealing scandal topped the year's news in a city in which political wrangling amounts to a sport.

The headlines kept on coming and culminated in December, when City Council President Clement Campana, who had earlier dropped his candidacy for mayor, Councilman John Brown and two party operatives were charged with helping forge 49 ballots in the 2009 Working Families Party primary to benefit Democratic candidates.

http://www.timesunion.com/local/article/Vote-rigging-scandal-rocks-Troy-2429705.php

The former mayor of the tiny municipality of Vernon and his wife were convicted Friday of voter registration fraud and fraudulent voting.

Leonis Malburg, 80, who had been mayor of Vernon for more than 50 years before eventually resigning, and Dominica Malburg, 83, did not live in Vernon, Los Angeles Superior Court Judge Michael Johnson found in a non-jury trial.

http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/-Local-Politician-Convicted-of-Fraud-78576127.html

Do you want some more? Or maybe I'm just wasting my time listing facts for you to ponder. From what I can gather, your entrenched beliefs don't care about facts unless they support your agenda.

DrowningGrover:

YOU WROTE: "I don't believe that survey (about the preponderance of defensive gun use) nor those statistics for a second. 2.5 million incidents breaks down to 6,850 incidents PER DAY. Not only is that study from 1994, but it's a "self-reporting" survey, which will dramatically over report self-defense incidents."

MY RESPONSE: I realize you don't like facts challenging your close-minded beliefs. But here's some information regarding the accuracy of Professor Gary Kleck's survey on the defensive use of guns, which I described in an earlier comment:

One of the most prominent criminologists in the world, Marvin Wolfgang (Director of the Sellin Center for Studies in Criminology and Criminal Law at the University of Pennsylvania), commented on Professor Gary Kleck's research by saying "I am a strong gun-control advocate as can be found among the criminologists in this country...I would eliminate all guns from the civilian population and maybe even from the police. I hate guns - ugly, nasty instruments designed to kill people...What troubles me is the research by Gary Kleck and his assistant Marc Gertz. The reason I am troubled is that they have provided an almost clear-cut case of methodologically sound research in support of something I have theoretically opposed for years, namely, the use of a gun in defense against a criminal perpetrator...I have to admit my admiration for the care and caution expressed in their research."

Then Marvin Wolfgang went on to ask "Can it be true that about two million instances occur each year in which a gun was used as a defensive measure against crime? It is hard to believe. Yet, it is hard to challenge the data collected. We do not have contrary evidence. The National Crime Victim Survey does not directly contravene this latest survey, nor do the Mauser and Hart studies...The soundness of the Kleck and Gertz study is clear. I cannot further debate it."

Finally, Marvin Wolfgang concluded "The Kleck and Gertz study impresses me for the caution the authors exercise and the elaborate nuances they examine methodologically. I do not like the conclusions that having a gun can be useful, but I cannot fault their methodology. They have tried earnestly to meet all objections in advance and have done exceedingly well."

(Marvin Wolfgang, "A Tribute to a View I have Opposed," Journal of Criminal Law and Criminology 1995, Vol. 86 No.1.)

Drowned glover

Don't know where you live where "straw purchases" are legal, in the U.S. they are not.

http://smartgunlaws.org/straw-purchases-policy-summary/

Sheesh dude, are you on illicit drugs? You have absolutely no clue as to what you are talking about. Your only mission is to defend your "leaders" and shout down anyone who shines a little negative light on them.

That, Drowned, is a cultist.

And, apparently, if you are a leftist, the buck stops at the lackey below you.

Hello folks, the constitution is the law of the land. If this administration wants to change the constitution there is a process to do that. Otherwise we don't have to comply with anything else. It would be unconstitutional.

TONYWARVET

Wayne LaPierre was a yellow,coward draft dodger who evaded the draft because of a "nervous" condition. In reality it was his cowardliness. He talks big,but is a pussy. No wonder he needs a gun,a girl could kick his yellow behind. Typical for many gun nuts who could never defend themselves without a gun. These pussies could never walk in New York City like I do unarmed,if they did,they'd wet their panties in fright.

#1

Spoken like a true liberal, change the Subject, Ignore the Facts, Name call and Marginalize.

And yet I thought liberals were supposed to be compassionate and Considerate. I guess you never stopped to consider that many, myself included, gun owners are cripples. (Or Handicapped or Disabled Persons in the parlance of the liberal PC) Funny you should mention "Walking", pretty inconsiderate of those who are bound to wheel chairs or crutches. And do you think that women too are somehow capable of defending themselves, if they don't have a gun. Especially against a thug like you. No, what I have found, is that even though you liberals talk a big game about how compassionate, thoughtful and considerate of others you are. You are the most narrow minded, hate filled, inconsiderate, selfish, thoughtless bunch of losers, who depend on some one else, a paid servant, (our at least that is how most of you look at them) to care for and protect you. Who is the real coward? So one who is willing to defend himself or someone who is just as willing to put someone else, namely a police officer, in harms way?

Oh, I still get around pretty well, I only lost the ankle out of my right leg. Stepped on a land mine in Kuwait, putting out oil well fires. But I can no long run away from a fight. I guess I am a "stand your ground" candidate.

Oh, and your mama wears combat boots. :P

@ Rhonda Lucky-296458

#1.125

Thank you for that post, I have seen that number in articles before and I too thought it to be a bit of an exaggeration. I will you it, and I hope you don't mind but I will use your comments from Marvin Wolfgang as well,

Thanks again.

Keep up the good fight.

You are so right Obama wants total power like Stalin etc. he wants to be a dictater but a lot of people are to blind to see this.

RIGHT! Remember the famous congressional battles of Adolf Hitler?!! Because everyone knows that's how dictators get things done.....through passing legislation through two different congressional bodies that were elected by the public. (that's sarcasm)

Seriously guys, when you step back and think about it.....the comparisons to "dictators" is really, really, REALLY stupid.

If Obama was a "dictator" and wanted to get rid of your guns....wouldn't he just order the military to clear all people of their guns?

Military is sworn to uphold the constitution though.. Would be weird to see which side of the fence they would take

If Obama was a "dictator" and wanted to get rid of your guns....wouldn't he just order the military to clear all people of their guns?

tranistional steps . and of course he will use DHS and ATF along with military who are now being brain washed at West Point to follow politicains instead of the Constitution

The majority of the country want gun control legislation?
Where do yo get your facts? Everything I've seen is as split down the middle as the presidential election.

The country has never been more divided and that minority elected joke in the white house will never

have the right stuff to unite us!

Doc We'll see how your "Crazy Talk" looks a couple of years from now, you naive Ba$tard$ don't really see what's coming. If and when you do it may be too late. Good Luck with That.

DoctorNoLogic : you might want to take your medication?

I see no need to further educate you, since are too warped to understand facts regarding my statements.

Less than 3% of the gun murders in this country a year are by so called assault weapons. So those safety requirements are somewhat stupid.

Let's assume that 3% number is correct.....you're saying those people killed in those 3% are not worth society's effort to save them. THAT is stupid.....and immoral.

I can understand a background check on EVERY gun bought and sold, but just wait till the bureaucracy starts getting overwhelmed by all the paper work it will involve. That won't last long.

If it makes sense, which you admit that it does....then it takes investment. The problem with bureaucracy is when there are too few people to do too large a task. Give the right resources to achieve the goal and there is no reason why it wouldn't work.

Doc, I would rather go after 100% of the criminals.

DoctorNoLogic : you might want to take your medication?

I see no need to further educate you, since are too warped to understand facts regarding my statements.

Glenn.....the classic comeback for someone that has no factual evidence or common sense to argue with. Belittle first, then tell them the reason you DON'T argue your point is because I'm too stupid to understand. Sorry champ, that works on the middle school playground but not in real life. In the adult world, you actually have to explain your reasoning for your beliefs....actually, that's not true; you clowns avoid doing it all the time.

In unison with the United Nations, heck yeah he knows.

DRlogic so you would rather punish law abiding citizens for 3% of murders. and let the govt take away any chance at being able to defend themselves from a govy who seems to want to dismantle the entire constitutuon little by little when will it be enough, when you cant voice your "opinion". I bet all the countries ruled by dictators thought it wouldnt happen there either, govt is getting too big and controlling.

essgoodeye... that is the same BS I keep hearing about ' the polls show that the US wants immigration reform'. I don't know what polls the folks in Washington have, but the polls I have seen show otherwise.

Doctor-illogic,

Do you know why the ban was not re-newed?

I will help you when it came up for review DEMS and REP talked with all involved and seen that the 1st ban did not help so why renew something that don't work.

So this is why the ban was not renewed.

now if you don't believe search the Internet, crime and killing have gone up since the early ban and so it just don't work.

Also what does it matter now because over 350,000,000 AR-15 style weapons have been sold from the day Obama got in office in 2008 so ban away because those will still be out there thus not doing a damn thing.

Now what Obama did was the worst thing ever he talked about gun ban and those that have no gun experience has now went out and bought one just in case he did ban them. So now you have thousands and thousands that have no clue about AR-15s or even gun safety ran out and purchased one.

And I will say I bet not one of those have a gun safe to keep the gun from leaving the house when they are at work and kill. I have mine on a chain those damn guns don't listen they want to just run out the door and kill something.

Logic,

You mean the same way that Obama slipped ObamaDeathCare by? Like that?

Oh yes, THERE is a guy who wants to do things the proper way....NOT!!!!

Reasoning for our beliefs? Sure:

1. We have the right to own firearms. The Bill of Rights recognizes and protects that fact. It was put in place by the Founding Fathers specifically so that the people of this country can protect themselves.

2. Over 80 million gun owners committed no violence with their guns yesterday....or years before yesterday.

3. Guns are made to shoot projectiles. Cars are made for transportation. Either can be misused to kill someone. If saving even one life is worth it, then cars need to go away today. Same with knives, etc.

4. We have LOTS of gun safety laws. They need to be enforced.

5. I do not think that you are stupid. However, people such as yourself who are ignorant about guns, their use, and who are easily whipped into a hysteric frenzy need to be checked out to see if they are dangerous (no guns for you!) as well as whether they are rational enough to vote.

DocLogic...I'm not sure how often you read the comment sections, but often enlisted and veterans state they took an oath to uphold the Constitution and defend the country against all enemies, foreign and DOMESTIC.

They also state if the President gave an order to confiscate arms, they would disobey that order just like they would disobey any other illegal order.

I don't know how far Obama will go with his gun control agenda, however looking at "Rambo" Rahm Emmanuel Mayor of Chicago ,Mayor Bloomberg , and Senator Fainstain, confiscation is on the table . If we are concern that the govennment could confiscate riflers and automatic pistols from law abiding citizens, is because it is in the mind of many Liberals to do so.Mayor Bloomber already start limiting magazines to 7 grounds, the Bill that Sen. Feistein introduce is an attach to the second admendment even if the constitution give us the right to bear arms they will find the way to take away our guns.

What I am saying Logic is based on that 3% figure, which you can look up if you don't believe it, MORE people have been killed with knives and cars than by assault rifles. If we are going to start banning things based on the # of people they kill, we should start with banning parents, who kill their children every day, NOT using guns.

Dr Logic

Please explain what will constitute a complete background check and will it change over time? Will not agreeing with a future administration be a valid reason for not approving ownership of a gun by a future administation or government? In the future will the restriction of guns apply only to those that understand that the fundamental rights guaranteed by our Bill of Rights comes from a power greater than the government. You see the Bill of Rights restricts the government and NOT the citizen from passing any laws that infringe on those rights. Any government that tries to limit any of the guaranteed right has be dealt with as swiftly and harshly.

History has taught us that there will always be people willing and able to destroy human life. Their thought process could never be understood by any sane human. We will never eliminate the psychopaths in society no matter how many laws we pass.

Nice try on your part but I'll go with the thought process and logic of Washington, Madison, Adams, Jefferson, Franklin and others verses yours.

Well Dr.Logic, lets not assume anything.

FBI crime stats show that less then 3% of all gun crimes are committied with rifles OF ANY TYPE not just 'assault' rifles.

Additionally, less then 2% of ALL murders with firearms are with firearms that are owned legally. (again, you look it up, you're a smart guy afterall)

So, given just those 2 little numbers, you can and should understand why those of us that Legally own our guns AND our 'assault' rifles KNOW that any ban is nothing more then an attack on Legal gun owners.

Additionally, you dont think hes looking for a confiscation? were you born yesterday?

All contries that have confiscated civilian guns have started with REGISTRATIONS of these guns. again, look it up. Every contry that has forced a registration has eventurally confiscated guns in some way or another.

Obama absolutely wants to take guns from law abiding citizens. he has been clear on this for years.

And like it or not, the second amendment does not allow for the Government to take 'military style' arms from civilians specifically because the purpose of the second is so that the PEOPLE may have a defense against the Governement IF it needed.

You sir need to learn your history, and not just the parts you like. But ALL of your history. Read what the founding fathers said about the second amendment. You show me one statement every uttered that the second was about 'hunting' and not defending freedom from tyrany.

I'm in the camp that doesn't really understand what an assault weapon ban seeks to accomplish. By and large, gun crimes are committed with hand guns, which are still plenty deadly. If you shoot a helpless person with a pistol, that person will die just the same as if he was shot with an assault rifle. And assault rifles are heavy, unwieldy, and expensive, so for most conceivable crimes a hand gun is preferable anyway.

Am I worried that such a ban would erode our core constitutional freedoms and enable Obama to usurp the sovereignty of the United States to become a dictatorship? No... what a bunch of bull****.

But I see the ban as a battle that does not need to be fought with the right. Let the kids have their toys to avoid the tantrum. The actual important part of the gun reform is the tracking and background checks because this would actually impact the availability of hand guns in some respect, which is at the root of the gun violence problem.

Or just maybe Obama the shrewd negotiator already knows this and has only included it in the reform as a bargaining chip.

Why is it okay to arm other countries with free war planes, bombs, tanks, machine guns.?!?!?

All the while banning guns from American civilians???

Power and CONTROL maybe?!?

Doc Logic, Re: 2.2

History has recorded, that Hitler was elected to his office, that the single chamber parliament rubber-stamped everything he asked for, so it was 'legal'. I do not know if any of that parliaments members were named Reid or Pelosi, but they rammed through much without reading it.

History also records, that Hitler resorted to bypassing the parliament when they were too slow. I don't know if they were called executive orders or not. Must have been evil repuckins obstructing.

History further records, that Hitler was wildly popular. Those not supporting him with every word, were called naughty names and even punished, harshly sometimes.

Silly people forget historical facts, idiots ignore those facts.

When the capital burns down under mysterious circumstances then maybe I will worry a little.

Why is it okay to arm other countries with free war planes, bombs, tanks, machine guns.?!?!?

All the while banning guns from American civilians???

Power and CONTROL maybe?!?

Easy answer:

In Syria, we want the rebels to succeed in tearing down their government. The current regime is not favorable to the United States, and it would be in our best interests for a new structure of power to take it's place.

At home, we do not what private citizens to take up arms against each other or the government. It is generally a bad thing for the criminals, the disgruntled, the disillusioned, or the otherwise malcontent to be empowered in such a way. And as much as gun advocates will point to the Second Amendment as advocating civil war as a "nuclear option" against an unpopular federal government, I somehow doubt this is what the founding fathers had in mind.

You know, all this talk is getting us nowhere, just like our "elected officials". A simple solution to criminals getting guns, is for the government to have a website with all the names of people who CAN'T HAVE GUNS. A few people could operate that website daily. The site would be open only to those who have a special permit - and password to get in. That way, a check could be done instantly. How many people do you think are employed by our taxes right now, who do background checks? The ones who need complete background checks are those who SELL GUNS! I agree, guns should be sold through legal channels, not in pennysaver type newspapers, or person to person.

Some of you don't realize that things can change quite rapidly, especially in light of treaties being negotiated through the U.N. regarding weapons. Obama wouldn't have to use the U.S. military, he could use U.N. troops. As for use of the U.S. military...a soldier can refuse to obey an unlawful order. However, that's slippery slope. There would be a dividing of the military into factions for and against the actions.

Is paranoia contagious?

Dodge County wisconsin's county sherriff tried to criticise the Milwaukee County Wisconsin's County Sherriff for Advising law abiding citizens to "take a gun safety course and learn how to defend yourself"while the Milwaukee city Mayor Tom Barrett, who tried to intervene in a domestic dispute and got a injured hand that he paraded through the election, says this is "Vigilante-ism" to defend yourself in your home while waiting for a response to your 911 call. In Dodge county the response time to one 911 call was 50 minutes and the response was a call back to tell the caller to go to the sherriff's office since the shooters are long gone. The Milwaykee county Executive is responsible for the long response time ti a 911 call and for the fact that the police radios are an obstruction to police communications between officers.

Sog, the Second Amendment was EXACTLY for persons defending their home, their country from aliens AND from a corrupt government. And you talk like any gun control will cripple criminals from getting their guns? Where do you think criminals GET their guns? Do you really think they do a background check? Wow!

And about Syria - if you remember back, we gave weapons to many rebels in other countries that have now turned against us - why, we even gave weapons to Al Queada! We even have Afgans shooting our soldiers while walking beside them! You thought process is a tad skewed.

Some of you don't realize that things can change quite rapidly, especially in light of treaties being negotiated through the U.N. regarding weapons. Obama wouldn't have to use the U.S. military, he could use U.N. troops. As for use of the U.S. military...a soldier can refuse to obey an unlawful order. However, that's slippery slope. There would be a dividing of the military into factions for and against the actions.

I am so tired of this sadistic right-wing wet dream.

Sog, the Second Amendment was EXACTLY for persons defending their home, their country from aliens AND from a corrupt government.

So when the minority are disgruntled with the policies of the federal government, they can nullify it's power through violent upheaval? Is that really what you think the founding fathers had in mind? Why would they advocate for the people to destroy the power structure that they took great pains to build?

And you talk like any gun control will cripple criminals from getting their guns? Where do you think criminals GET their guns? Do you really think they do a background check? Wow!

I think that at worst it would create more opportunities for law enforcement to preempt crime by finding a weapon that fell in the wrong hands.

And about Syria - if you remember back, we gave weapons to many rebels in other countries that have now turned against us - why, we even gave weapons to Al Queada! We even have Afgans shooting our soldiers while walking beside them! You thought process is a tad skewed.

What is the alternative? To let Assad win? The status quo is clearly not in the best interests of the United States. At least with the rebels in power there is the chance that things would be better for us.

just dont ban my KA-bar....its the only that will keep me (tiny little female) from being attacked when i take my dogs out to the desert...but im screwed if the BAD GUY has a gun...because im not allowed one per: Obama's plan for this little American soul.

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The delusions of so many on these boards would be hilarious if it weren't downright scary.

Sure, sure. Obama's a wanna-be dictator, he's systematically brainwashing the entire country to willfully vote for him so that he can declare himself "emperor," enact martial law, and come to take your guns, your first born, and the first night with your newlywed wife...

When asked how these world-wide conspiracy theories square with the reality that Obama was recently RE-ELECTED democratically and still has to pass legislation through Congress, the response is "just wait, it's comin.'"

Where the @!$%# do you people come up with this stuff? Do you realize how crazy you sound?

For example, crap like this:

Some of you don't realize that things can change quite rapidly, especially in light of treaties being negotiated through the U.N. regarding weapons. Obama wouldn't have to use the U.S. military, he could use U.N. troops. As for use of the U.S. military...a soldier can refuse to obey an unlawful order. However, that's slippery slope. There would be a dividing of the military into factions for and against the actions.

Are you for serious? How deluded does one have to be to actually believe this nonsense?!? WTF?!?

I'm still waiting for proof of political affiliation from you people who say all the mass murderers are liberals or Democrats. I'm still waiting for the proof that there are 2 million incidents a year where someone stopped a bad guy.

I guess I'll still continue to wait, because the "proof" isn't coming.

redvirginia. Calm up -you are hysterical and not responding to events in the real world.

Hello folks, the constitution is the law of the land. If this administration wants to change the constitution there is a process to do that. Otherwise we don't have to comply with anything else. It would be unconstitutional.