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Subscribe to RSSThe Senate Monday night passed a $50.5 billion emergency spending bill to aid people in New York and New Jersey who are trying to rebuild their homes and businesses after last October’s devastation from super-storm Sandy.
The vote was 62 to 36, with 60 votes needed for passage.
Before approving the spending bill, the Senate defeated, 62 to 35, an amendment by Sen. Mike Lee, R- Utah, that would have offset the new Sandy outlays by reducing discretionary spending (including defense) by 0.5 percent over the next nine years.
The House had passed the Sandy spending bill two weeks ago. But the House action had come only after New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie and House members from the Northeast harshly criticized Speaker John Boehner for not allowing a vote on a Sandy relief bill on New Years’ Eve.
Congress has already passed $9.7 billion in additional borrowing authority for the National Flood Insurance Program to help pay Sandy claims from homeowners in New York and New Jersey.
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Sheeze no republican done a filibuster ? Whats our government thinking ?
Hey boy, how much do you think will actually go to Sandy victims?
Ya know I feel bad for these people I really do but I don't get why our government is doing another bailout here. Our home was flooded as were many others in our town. I do not live near a flood plain and am about 3/4 a mile from our river. It was a 500 year flood. The government didn't help me other than give me a couple of flood cleanup kits with sponges and borax and some rubber gloves and an opportunity at a low interest loan, in fact the cleanup kits came from a church not the government. Why is it that the government feels obligated to spend our tax money on rebuilding homes and once again for NY.... I had insurance which covered my stuff and if you didn't have it you were out of luck. Don't mean to sound harsh but where and when is this nation going to stop bailing everyone out in fact not everyone but selectively? It's time people have some accountability in their lives. In case the government hadn't heard they are broke and so are we. Major insurance companies have a fund from premiums to pay for this, go figure our government doesn't, because they have blown that money 20 times over on other unfunded programs. Libby's love to live on other peoples money, borrow, borrow, borrow and then claim bankruptcy or hope somebody bails you out. This money will be blown on corruption and waste to a huge degree as well, the gov. is not efficient at anything other than waste.
The Bush bank bailouts would have covered this catastrophy!
@Kent, so would Bo-Dumbo's bail out of General Motors!
So how much "Pork" was in the bill that was rushed through?
Kent McMillen "The Bush bank bailouts would have covered this catastrophy!"
I wish we had a lot more of those 'Bush bank bailouts'.
They were fully paid back - along with $Billions of interest.
Of course the Obama GM bailout of the unions was a different matter - That's costing us tens of $Billions that we will never get back.
Freaky Slinger, Don't forget Chrysler
And it took George Bush what? A week to pass funding for Katrina?
@Kent McMillen
The Bush bank bailouts would have covered this catastrophy!
Bailouts did not work then and the many times Obama tried it. Who spent more?
The Obama bailouts were more for middle class victims of the Bush catastropy, than for the billionaires!
mmmmm...Bacon
Here's what G.M. bailout got you!
12/20/2012 GM to buy stake from Treasury; government may lose billions
The U.S. Treasury plans to sell its stake in General Motors Co over the coming year, all but assuring a multibillion-dollar loss in a move that will end the automaker's "Government Motors" era. The planned GM sale will raise the proceeds that Treasury has recovered to $28.6 billion of the $50 billion bailout GM received. With $20.9 billion left from the original bailout, the government would have to sell its remaining shares at an average price of $69.72 to break even.
Check-Out what G.M.'s stock price is!!
I thought President BO-DUMBO stated during his most recent campaign that every dime was paid back to the government?
stop funding
And whom do you think you bought that insurance from?
"In 1979 the Federal Insurance Administration and the NFIP were transferred to the newly-created Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA)."
http://www.floridafloodinsurance.org/
Steve, And look what George W Bush had to deal with! An indicted fraud Mayor, Ray Nagins. Nagins," Washinton has got to stop sitting on their asses(aka The White House) we need help here"! Translation, Lets get the cash flowin' so I can line my pockets,yessah!
flnobody well you made a nice guess at assuming you knew that answer and had it been federal flood insurance you would of been correct as all flood insurance per say is through the federal government, but as libby's like to do your assumption was wrong. You can't buy flood insurance if you do not live in a flood plain. My insurance covered it through extended coverages I paid for with my personal insurance carrier. Try again...
Should read:
stop
You are still full of crap. You may have paid it through your personal insurance agent. But it still went to fema. No matter how you want to spin it. Try again.
You said it flooded.
Then you didn't get flooded.
hey Freaky Slinger the GM bail out actually worked and has already been paid back. I guess you're not up to date on things.
So now you are telling me what happened in my life and to my home... you are hilarious. Yes we had a flood, no I did not have flood insurance and yes I had insurance through my personal carrier and no it was not flood insurance in hiding through the federal government. Please don't be such an idiot to claim you know more about someones coverage, flood and personal life than they do especially when you are only responding to a statement which you only know the details of what I have told you. I think you need a little more than that to call someone a liar. You libbys wonder why everyone thinks your full of @!$%#.
Let's see a report on how much PORK, where the PORK is going, and who inserted the PORK..... now that would be useful information.....
Hmmmm, actually it's $60.2 BILLION when you include the $9.7 already given.
That's enough to give 602,000 people $100,000 each for their needs.
Unfortunately most of this money will never reach the most needing, not when it has to trickle-down through our criminal government. Most of it will get spread out to 4 corners of the country including Alaska via "Ampork". About 25% will be lost to waste, fraud, abuse and corruption which is standard operating procedure for our bureaucrats. No-bid contracts will be given to
uniongoonion corrupted businesses. Yes, some will get to the people it was intended for but nowhere near what they need.Just like Katrina the money is there now but the help will take years. These are the tragedies of a bloated out-of-control government whose efficiency is exposed at the DMV every day.
Are't people suppose to have homeowners insurance, and flood protection because they live there?
Lets not forget, these people that own these waterfront homes are rich people, which I am not
Shhhh, don't let the liberals know that, this bill has more pork in it, then all the pork slaughter houses in this country.
Roy Wilson: Nonsense. Along with the bailouts the fed made unlimited amounts of free money available to the banks which were the real bailouts. When a bank can borrow 100 billion at zero interest and loan it out at 16% or more they simply paid us back with our own money. It was simply a shell game to fool the unenlightened, like yourself. As for the GM bailout Bush approved 17 billion while still president. Obama simply upped the total to 50 billion.
http://wallstcheatsheet.com/stocks/heres-how-the-federal-reserve-gave-free-money-to-bailout-global-banks.html/
A lot of this money goes to the government it's self. New vehicles for the FBI. To many things to even bother listing.
stop
You are correct. I went on what you said. I should have known better then to believe anything you have to say.
I can already smell the pork
Why are we spending even 1 red cent for this? If something happens to my house, will they bail me out too?? Hell no.
How much of the bailout are actually going to citizens and legal residents, I wonder?
This is so unfair to those of us that had enough sense to build our homes in an area that would be safe to live in. People who live on the beach should pay extra insurance to live there. I should not have to pay one dime in taxes for their stupidity. That's like those dummies who build their house on the edge of a cliff, overlooking the ocean - real nice when the weather's nice. Do you think ANY of them will invite me to their house? I think the local government is dumb, for allowing people to build in flood plains, thick forests, ON EARTHQUAKE FAULTS - give me a break! The next big one in California will undoubtedly be deducted from my taxes, which will probably have to be raised (again).
this is a waste let there insurance pay for it, don't let them rebuild on those dune islands again, it will happen again. I lost everything I owned 20 years ago no one assisted me now you want me to help them, how about you build me a new home first then we can talk about it. what the hell is insurance for is that where the money will go to the insurance companies? condemn the land make the owners clean up their mess and tell them to go buy one of those excess houses that wont sell that is left over from the housing crash, do it now.
Thats a lot of pork since the total estimated cost of the storm damage was around 30 billion with insurance covering about half of that.
Still amazing that we can send disaster relief to third world countries after an earthquake, tsunami, flood or some place that we just blew up, immediately. Without even a second thought. But helping our own people literally takes an act of congress.
To "cupcake": Not everyone who lives near the water is rich. Most are working middle class and have lived there for years and never had a flood. Still more didn't even live in a flood area. Ask my Mom, 78 years old, recently widowed, wondering how she and her neighbors are going to fix there homes when their insurance companies told them to get lost and FEMA said they don't qualify. Hurricane Sandy caused massive destruction like this area has never,ever seen before. People who talk on this forum and debate policy probably don't live here and just dont get it.
Yeah, folks. Sandy relief is an easy debate if it didn't touch you!
Insurance is owed and run by all those prime investors, you know, Politicians? All the D's and R's got involved in insurance years ago. Now, they can't be expected to pay for disasters like this, it would cut into all those Congressperson's and Senators profits. Now, it become a national relief thing, we all pay the freight via government relief efforts. The rich D's and R's will not allow their profit margins to slip, so have everyone pay for it AND raise insurance rates across the board to cover their costs. Isn't the life of an elected criminal grand?
Like the mantra of the Democratic Party says, never let a good crisis go to waste. Of course that doesn't mean that a good crisis doesn't allow our Washington elite to waste plenty, as nothing goes with a natural disaster better then a pile of pork. Maybe we can hear once again how concerned they are over the debt and deficits. The only thing sadder then the clowns we send to Washington, are those that would vote for them again.
We all know that's a false statement. Even MSNBC can't be so blind as to think the whole $50.5 billion is just for Sandy funds. If every single person in both New York and New Jersey were impacted, that would be 19.5M NY residents and 8.8M NJ for a total of 28.3M impacted residents.
So republicans want to make sure it's funded and not passed on to the women & children of the next generation and we see what the vote was in the Democratic controlled Senate.
This is why the Republican Party is losing membership (I removed my Republican registration late last year) because there is NOBODY being responsible in D.C.!! Not Republicans and certainly not Democrats. WHERE ARE WE GOING TO GET $50 BILLION!!
We are broke. We are bankrupt. We have no money. We have even borrowed all the Social Security trust fund and spent that too. We have no money. zilch. nada. zip. zero. We are broke. We have no money. And we continue to borrow over $1 Trillion a year.
Do you know WHERE we are borrowing $1 Trillion a year? This is going to surprise most - WE ARE PRINTING IT!! That's right, we are printing it then lending it to ourselves. The Federal Reserve is printing $85 Billion a month, going to the Treasury and buying Treasury Bonds with printed money, then the Treasury is spending it. Spending it on what? Nobody really knows. All I know is we are devaluing our currency on a daily basis with NO POSSIBLE WAY to EVER pay it back.
Just so you know history is clear. When a country resorts to printing its own money to pay bills AND to continue spending there is not one country that has ever survived. Now you might say "but during the Great Depression we owed MORE than we do know as a percentage of GDP" (actually it was GNP back then but that is for another discussion) "so we can handle it again". But one major difference. We BORROWED it from other people and countries then. Then people were willing to LEND us money.
But when a country must PRINT its own money to pay bills that means the people (and countries) are not willing to lend us money. They can SEE we are collapsing and don't want a part of it.
So we are printing our way into a collapse. So we are printing money and still giving billions of printed (not "borrowed" but "PRINTED") money to foreign countries for aid. We are spending printed money on anything and everything. And all that will do is guarantee our financial collapse. I would like to say "we need to stop before it snowballs into a financial collapse" but I actually think it is too late. I don't think we can save ourselves and have already started the snowball down the mountain that will ultimately lead to our financial collapse.
And spending $50 billion of printed money (when the damage is really significantly less and most of this money is not even going to those affected by Sandy) confirms our appetite for continuing spending of printed money. Hold on tight because when we collapse (notice I said "when" and not "if") it will be one of the most uncomfortable economic times you could have ever ever ever imagined.
1*2/Cut the cr** of Libbies always looking for handouts I am a Liberal Democrat. I have worked all of my life, after my schooling and apprenticeship .I have always paid my taxes,with no so called entitlements and never asked for nor claimed any hand outs. If you have had one so called handout you have received more than me .You are probably one of those deadbeats who are always looking for the main chance yet are fearful that someone who really needs help will get some help. You repulsive creature!
Good that they're getting relief, but I wonder how much of this $50.5 billion will actually go to them and how many billions will go to completely unrelated special interests.
flnobody what part of what I said do you not get, thick skulled left wing idiology getting in your way or what? Flood insurance is available only through the federal government, yes your insurance man may be able to broker the insurance for you but none the less it is called flood insurance. You can't buy flood insurance if you don't live in a flood plain. My home was flooded and yes I was covered under parts of my own personal homeowners insurance for backup. I got no government assistance whatsoever. What part of this do you think you know better than me? How much was my policy and how much did they pay? You are so wise tell me all about what happened in my life and in my home, tell someone you don't know how much more about them you know than they do oh swami, please tell. What a friggin idiot you must be to think you are so wise. You couldn't tell me my name yet you know my insurance and financial reparations from my policy... I suppose you know what is best for me to eat too right? You have to be from New York or DC.
I just hope the GAO and Cbo watch this money closely so it isn't stolen and wasted by Cuomo and his gang like the democrats did with Katrina funds, Ray Nagan.
It's about time. I wonder how much of it will actually be used for what it is intended?
I'd say the money will go for what it is intended for. In the last draft, less than half of it was going to Sandy relief, you can bet those earmarked funds (pork) will find it's way to the state of the senators who snuck it in.
It was actually intended for my retirement and some other personal priorities ..........but wait.....my taxes now fund a great big Disaster Relief Insurance Company....? Mutual of US Givernment?
Jumbob, There was a story on CBS news today, about hurricane Katrina, and most of the problems were with crooked contractors taking people's money and disappearing. Laws need fixed, so they can be found and imprisoned, or pay back $ in lieu of prison! No contractors imprisoned for $billions of graft in Iraq! Why?
@ Kent McMillen
All that happened under a Republican administration and their buddies got rich with no bid contracts, shoddy workmanship, etc, etc, etc.
Wonder what is on the horizon with this give-away.
If the GOP stops protecting the crooked contractors who take the money and run, it will go to the victims, as intended!
If the crooked contractors can be kept at bay, most of it will go to innocent victims! We need to start treating crooked businessmen like we treat people who steal smaller amounts. That is imprisonment!
I wish I was in charge of this; accounting for ever penny in my budget is on the brink of being OCD
Kent McMillen, a very good question. If funds are stolen or misappropriated, the parties concerned should be held accountable whether here in the US or elsewhere. Every emergency effort or military outing for the last couple of decades has turned into an opportunity to spend tax payers money without a good account of what it ws spent on. No argument from me on that.
My post had to do with the pork included in the bill. I'm not a Republican if that's what you're thinking. I can just do math and when they allocate roughly $23 billion to fix the damage and the bill is $50 billion, that can't be blamed on contractors. Not sure if it was kept in the final draft, but the original bill was to include $150 million for Alaskan fisheries among numerous other big ticket but not related to Sandy earmarks. To borrow from The Godfather, they are "wetting their beaks".
if u don't like either democrats or republicans then vote third party.
Yeah Kent, do you have any instances of these crooked contractors you could tell us about.
The only reason the government got into the natural disaster insurance business, is because nothing goes with a disaster better then pork. Politicians love a ready made pork party. Democrats coined the phrase never let a good crisis go to waste, and they sure don't. After all taxpayers can afford to borrow more money to pay for their political handouts. So what if future generations get to pay the bill.
hell yeah...Obama...throw money out the window with both hands...pay the undocumented to rebuild it...then marry the same sex couple who are going to live in it...is this a great country or what...
Well, with views like yours slowly dying off, it's certainly getting better.
Bob, you are aware that Obama is in neither the House or the Senate, right?
i pitty Dafoo...who said that...Mr. T. impression intended...jumbob...you are aware his arrogance is our clueless leader...right...
Dafoot: You will go extinct before common sense.
Hey there Plain Boob! this would be a much better country if ignoramuses like you left.
Plain Bob, what does this have to do with contractors who abscond with disaster $?
Yeah, Bob!!
The last thing we need around here is another person yelling about us spending another 50 BILLION DOLLARS on top of an already insurmountable national debt... What was it, around SIXTEEN TRILLION DOLLARS at last count, and rising?
So for heaven's sake, Bob, if you're going to post on this forum Please refrain from using Logic and Rational thought!
;)
obliviously you are... confused...now eat your pickles remove lid first...then insert your tiny little head...now take the fuzzy end of a broom...and make you self look like a...pickle sickle...
i agree with ya' Mr. Miller...
jumbob... is Obama aware he is not in the senate or the house? Doesn't appear he does.
executive order...at the drive thru...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YId_ArKyoYs
plain bob you are lost..do u even have a clue about reality in the world today.
Yeah Mr. Miller. "F" em. They completely lost their homes and now our pesky government is going to force aid down their throats. How un-american!
I'm still laughing Bob --- you are on it boy --- never heard it stated better!! Is this a Great Country or What??!!!
Actually it has become the Quite the American Way to use the All-Powerful, Imperial Federal Government as an instrument of force and plunder, to steal from those who have earned it to present to those who have not.
I'm sorry that people lost their homes. But that's what INSURANCE is for.......that's not what I am for. Do you not see the difference?
Grief should never be used as a license to irrationality.
This spending bill for "Sandy" relief may have passed the Senate but with Boehner in Congress and the Republican Party will stop this spending at any cost to the American people. They need this money for their own personal interest and not for the people in true need of the help.
@the FROZEN Brain; DAH, did you read this part "The House had passed the Sandy spending bill two weeks ago." It was the democrat controlled Senate sitting on this for 2WEEKS!!!
So, the fosz, u actually didnt read the article did you. Boehner and the house passed the bill 2 weeks ago!! Funny how the gov of new jersey is all over the house to do somthing but the senate sits on it for 2 weeks and not a peep from the pompus a$$. seems like somebody just wanted to share in the headline grabbing and rip into the house cuz everyone is doing it
kbar
The House was slow to pass it because of the "pork" the democrats had added. For some reason that fact didn't make a big splash in the news.
Yeah, Boehner tripped all over himself, when voting to bail the banks out in 2008! Oh, I forgot, they contributed to his campaighn coffers! Sandy victims were apparently born of a lesser god!
@Kent what about Bo-Dumbo's bail out of General Motors??
12/20/2012 GM to buy stake from Treasury; government may lose billions
The U.S. Treasury plans to sell its stake in General Motors Co over the coming year, all but assuring a multibillion-dollar loss in a move that will end the automaker's "Government Motors" era. The planned GM sale will raise the proceeds that Treasury has recovered to $28.6 billion of the $50 billion bailout GM received. With $20.9 billion left from the original bailout, the government would have to sell its remaining shares at an average price of $69.72 to break even.
I thought President BO-DUMBO stated during his most recent campaign that every dime was paid back to the government?
Freaky Slinger, You and others are unaware, or unconcerned about the millions of jobs that would have been lost without the auto bailouts. If you lived in the midwest it would have been more easily seen!
@Kent here's where your G.M. jobs and bailout money are going:
11/28/2012: Saw on the news General-Motors to build a new 1 billion dollar plant, Yeah go GM use the Government money! OOP's this is a joint venture with the Chinese and the plant will be in China, Yeah go GM use the Government - BO-Dumbo money!! General Motors (GM) and Chinese partners plan to spend more than $1 billion on a new car plant in Chongqing, a major manufacturing hub in Southwest China.
Simple question on this one WHY??
Before approving the spending bill, the Senate defeated, 62 to 35, an amendment by Sen. Mike Lee, R- Utah, that would have offset the new Sandy outlays by reducing discretionary spending (including defense) by 0.5 percent over the next nine years.
Kent ... Boehner would have tripped over himself to sign this too at first had it not been filled over 50% with pork.
I think the news says that R-Boehner held up the voting so the bill with the 0.5 percent less spread over 9 years from the R-Utah senator was in the senate first. That was the cry t-babies' defeated stumbling block.
Boehner usually looks like he let out a silent fart for everyone to figure out who did it?
See......there's always some level of distraction ... in this case it was ".. couldn't pass the bill because there was pork in it.. "
Distraction.. and side show which always ends up masking the real question - should the government be de-facto insurance company in the first place?
So the question always seems to become about HOW to improperly use the power of government rather than "is it even a legitimate function of government?"
Very clever, indeed.
So, pork is more of a function, miller? The insurance company you work for isn't getting enough premiums, miller? Insurance sales are upity enough for you, miller?
So when a hurricane hits the Southern Gulf coast this year will we have to wait four months for our $50.5 Billion bail out also or just plan wait while Obama eats ice cream on the beach and waves to us again!
People needing help and you DC Fatheads load up a Porkfilled bill,can't wait to see what happends when the Not Affordable Healthcare Act Tax ruins my life!
You better ban those guns fast cause I'm thinking we may have to use them soon on you DC meatheads!!!!
Joey, Stupid is as stupid does!
Wow
I wish idiots would stop quoting Forest Gump!
Very insightful. Thanks for your contribution...
10 billion for relief and the rest is pork! Way to go Washington! Then O want them to use all union workers, no non union allowed to bid!
Good for the areas hit by Sandy, but where will it come from, especially if they are shooting down suggestions as to how they can offset it? Generally, when I need to spend on something outside my budget, other areas of spending take the hit. Must be nice not to have to worry about that.
$50.5 billion of which 25 billion will go to 20 midwest and western states for unrelated projects. Misappropriation of our tax dollars and nobody cares. Especially the 50% of this country who don't even pay taxes.
Libby, some of those 50% who don't pay taxes are millionaires!
The exclusion of Non-Union Workers is just another step toward Socialism.
Union workers are some of the most unproductive people I have ever worked with.
yes we need more undocumented workers...doing the maintenance work in the nuclear power plants...Jose said you can't give give it to much water...
Mhender, You apparently haven't worked at ford Motor Co. they are beating the pants off the foreign manufacturers!
If I am correct Ford did not take a government bail-out
Freaky, You said union workers are inneficient, but Ford is union, and still beating the foreign makers pants off. Whether they did or didn't get a government pailout is beside the point! your bias is showing!
Yet another ignorant statement. Please enlighten the rest of us with some real Union Facts mhender.
Why is everyone comparing the construction unions who will be doing the rebuilding to Auto Unions? They aren't even remotely the same! I always read on these things about comparing apples and oranges, this is apples and oranges. I have been to both union and non-union factories, Ford included and you can't make a general statement about people working for unions either way. I have seen some of the most productive and least productive people in each situation. I have also seen some of the best construction done by non-union workers. Where I live there are no unions except for some of the Auto Manufactures and it is your choice to join or not.
If we need to give these people 60 billion, why not just buy the ruined buildings, level them and turn it into federal park land. NEVER to be built on again!!!!
When Miami, and South Beach FL go underwater, and it will, soon, we will see if you want to bulldoze it. I have seen the computer simulations! It's easy to write someone off, when you don't like them!
I do not like them or dislike them. They are fellow citizens asking ME for my tax money. I do not mind helping out, BUT I do not want to KEEP helping out people that do the same stupid thing time and time again.
Stupid people build in the forest out here in Colorado and then cry when their houses burn down. JUST LIKE THEY DID in the same area 40 years ago. Stupid is as stupid does and rebuilding in areas that are going to just have to rebuilt again and again, AT THE TAX PAYERS and Insurance companies expense is plain STUPID!!!
As for Florida, well again, stupid move to build on the beach. It ruins the beach for all the people that want to go walk in nature. I remember being told that I could not walk down the beach because the idiots that built on the edge of the water owned the beach an I would be trespassing. If those scum get washed away, I only feel sorry for the fish that have to eat the crap that washes into the ocean.
how much will they see???? i bet most goes to some rich, and my question, why dosent their insurance cover it???
i went thru francis and jeannie in 2004 and they didnt do a thing for us, we were completly wiped out, this is a bunch of crap. i say no to the whole thing! @ @ @ @
Unbelievable. And when are we going to get paid back for this? These people should have had insurance, and the insurance should have paid for their losses. Why is it that when I lose something, then I lose, but if someone else loses, then I lose again?
The Gov. of New Jersey is probably out of toilrt paper in the Capital Building again.
Warren, Are you aware that , after Katrina, insurance companies denied payments to storm victims, saying that their damage was from water, not wind, which would have been a covered loss, even though the water was blown by wind! This kind of chicanery is why so many storm victims are still not back in their homes today. Another reason is the large number of crooked contractors, who take victims money, and disappear without doing any work! We, as a nation, need to start imprisoning business crooks like we do street criminals! * Source: CBS evening News 1/28/13.
Nobody has a problem with this....the problem is that 25 Billion will go to fradulent contractors because nobody has a system to keep that from happening. Katrina showed us how much money went to bad contractors and this won't be different in New Jersey.
When it comes to fraud, NJ is king. Every few years you see some of our so-called leaders on the news in cuffs. Nothing new.
We'll see! We now have a President who advocates for middle class and poor people rather than the rich, like his predecessor!
Kent I don't know if Obama really does help the poor or middle class. I'm low middle income and I took a big hit on my paycheck. It hurts.
Corrupt Unions and corrupt congress politicians struck a deal. Wonder how much we got screwed out of this time.
I get so sick of liberals blaming the republicans for all the spending when the democrats can't stop raising the pay for all their do nothing aids and the welfare sucking scum. Gov Quinn just signed a bill allowing illegals to obtain a drivers license. That is just cutting the economy to give illegals more freedom to get to work and send our money to mexico. I have seen thousands of dollars in cash buying money orders and sent to mexico. Good job democrats! Let's give these illegals more freedom to send american money to mexico!
You must or must have lived in Florida. I did and saw the same things you have.
Jersey Kat
I never lived in Florida but I see tons of illegals taking over the state of Illinois. I live in a small town where the worst crime was spitting on the side walk but now it is murder and all the perps have to do is flee to mexico!
Timlmillinois, What do you have to say about Mitt romney and lots of other millionaires sending their cash to foreign havens to escape paying American taxes? You and I are left holdin' the bag, and it's gettin' heavy!
Kent you mean like Al Gore!!!
And Obama has millions in overseas accounts too. I'm not a fan of either of them but most policians have money in overseas accounts to avoid taxes.
I heard the property taxes will be going up in those shore towns hit by the hurricane to help pay for the damage (?). Well, even tho I don't live in a shore town, I'm sure my property taxes are going to zoom again this year, just like last year, to pay for the hurricane damage one way or another. Mine went up 600 last year on my crappy fixer upper. My sister's taxes in NJ went up by 30% RETROACTIVE!!! Only in New Jersey. I'm selling and getting out and if I can't sell, then I'm giving the house back to the lender or walking away. Enough is enough.
Wow ,and it only took 2 months
My opinion of Governor Tuna went down quite a bit when I heard him bitching about the passage of this bill. It includes a bunch of pork for the unions in the NE and very little to do with the storm damage. We can't afford these bills people. We're going broke. Doubt me? Look up the bill and what it includes.
So what's the plan? Are we going to give everyone, regardless of damage, $60,000 to $75,000, like we did with Katrina? Half of New Orleans just shot the money up their arms and when wanted more when it was gone.
Our unorganized disaster plans are just that, disasters.
how much goes to sandy victims? how much pork is in there? tell us that--we the taxpayers demand to know
Really 50B and they claim we are broke. Isnt this what house insurance is for. Its ok lets just put the country in the already more debt it is.
How do you end up with a deficit each year, thank the democrats.
"Before approving the spending bill, the Senate defeated, 62 to 35, an amendment by Sen. Mike Lee, R- Utah, that would have offset the new Sandy outlays by reducing discretionary spending (including defense) by 0.5 percent over the next nine years."
We were told by the Iraqi War Mongers
Bush and pucked Cheney that all of the
Iraq War expenses would total $60 Billion Dollars from US Taxpayers. They also
said the Iraq Oil Profits by Halliburton would pay for it. That was a $2
Trillion lie along with the one about WMDs. Why did they give themselves No-Bid
Contracts from the American Taxpayer?
WE do not have a money for own people!
After all the drama, the Republicans looked in the mirror and were horrified. Only the tumor, known as the Tea Party remains oblivious to Americans suffering. They still have some allies in the GOP like Eric Cantor , Ryan and a handful of political terrorists from Iowa, Texas, South Carolina, Tennesee, Kentucky, Georgia and the quintessential deranged Michele Bachmann
Chris Christie bitch slapped them and they reacted..
@Yhbua: Why did the democrat controlled Senate wait 2 WEEKS after the House had passed the bill to vote on it, why did the democrat controlled Senate vote down associated spending cuts to go along with this spending?? Oh democrats never cut spending!!
@Yhuba,
You really need to get a life, you comment on every and I mean every article on MSN. You are strictly a hater, bash, bash, bash, you bash so much you can't stay on topic. I applaud the Republicans for shooting down this Act at first (but you still can't fix stupid). It was loaded with so much pork, a new roof for the Smithsonian, money for a fish hatchery in California, etc. etc. Really, was it all needed or just political favors again! It is still the 60 billion your spend-aholics wanted in the beginning, now look up the Sandy relief Act and see for yourself all the pork and democratic BS in it.
You love to jump in and bash the other party without knowing all the facts. Typical Obama support! Typical liberal!!
Now change your ugly photo! (Zira)
Greg, the "other party" has shown his ugly head far too many times. They nearly destroyed the Nation during the 8 years preceding President Obama. Yet, I never heard the indignation with our spending and deficits, quite the contrary. We embarked in two wars, one of them totally under false pretenses and nobody in the "other party" took to the floor to condemn the insanity, not only of Iraq, but the irresponsible path of not funding these wars. That would have required an increase in taxes which had just been reduced and then reduced again. The "other party" also embraced in a rapt Medicare part D, it even crushed a civil servant from GAO who blew the whistle about the true cost exceeding the $500 billion quoted by the "other party's" President. I won't even touch the near depression and collapse of banks, the stock market and the massive amount of foreclosures.
As for pork, go ask Paul Ryan the Messiah of fiscal responsibility.....better yet, ask VP Biden, he has the original letters from the Congressman. Neither party is ready to kill pork. I don't know which district or State you live in but I assure you that every member of "the other party" participates in the bacchanal. Even Michele Bachmann has benefitted from the largesse of the Federal Government. Move to Utopia, then you'll be at ease
i sympathize with the east coast victims, but when are the us taxpayers, in general, going to be "off the hook" for the lack of planning and preparation by New York City & New Jersey, and the Sandy Hooks and the New Orleans, and wherever the next big storm or tsunami strikes, that has been accurately predicted for 30 or 40 years but equally (and I'm saying totally) ignored for 30 years by all those short sighted community leaders and the ever so faulty politicians!
the next one is a tsunami up the natural flatland corridor on the coast of Washington state. again, decades to prepare and all they have is a plan that says "if you feel it shaking, run like hell for high ground", great plan, huh?
LMAO