The political stakes will be high Wednesday morning when Secretary of State Hillary Clinton testifies before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee about her role in the events leading up to the September attack on a U.S. diplomatic facility in Benghazi, Libya, that resulted in the killing of Ambassador Chris Stevens and three other Americans.
The stakes will also be high for a Republican member of the committee, Sen. Marco Rubio of Florida, whom some pundits see as a possible presidential candidate in 2016. It will be a rare instance when one potential White House hopeful gets an opportunity to interrogate a potential rival from the opposing party. Clinton herself is thought to be a strong contender for the Democratic nomination, should she chose to throw her hat into the ring.

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Secretary of State Hillary Clinton speaks at the State Department in Washington January 18, 2013.
Rubio said Tuesday that he hoped Clinton’s testimony would shed light on “the decision-making process in terms of the amount of security that was at the consulate. She has a unique insight that no one else in the State Department can offer, so we look forward to hearing about that.”
Last month, a report issued by the Accountability Review Board (appointed by Clinton to investigate the attack) blamed State Department officials for “systemic failures and leadership and management deficiencies” that led to protection for the Benghazi facility that was “grossly inadequate to deal with the attack that took place.”
Rubio said Tuesday that one aspect of the report that bothered him was “how much blame was put on lower-level officials in the State Department when in fact this (Benghazi) is a high-profile assignment, a high-profile installation, where we should have been aware of some of the security risks that existed.”
In an interview last October, Clinton said, “I take responsibility. I’m in charge of the State Department, 60,000-plus people all over the world, 275 posts. The president and the vice president certainly wouldn’t be knowledgeable about specific decisions that are made by security professionals.”
'Political charade'
The furor over the Benghazi attack has already helped derail one possible nominee to replace Clinton at the State Department, United Nations Ambassador Susan Rice, whom Republicans assailed for using administration talking points that portrayed the incident as a spontaneous response to an inflammatory anti-Islamic video.
Asked whether there was any way that Wednesday’s hearing could not become a political event or spectacle, Rubio responded, “Everyone here takes their job seriously. We understand that everyone involved cared for and highly valued the people whose lives were lost. But mistakes were made and it’s important to understand why they were made and how they were made so that they’re never made again.”
Sen. Robert Menendez, D-N.J., talks about Wednesday's Benghazi hearings and previews Sen. John Kerry's upcoming confirmation hearing.
A newly elected Democratic member of the Foreign Relations Committee, Sen. Chris Murphy of Connecticut, said Tuesday, “My perspective is looking forward. I want to understand how we can better secure (U.S. diplomatic) complexes across the globe and how we can make the case here in Washington that we need the money to do it. There were resource pressures on the State Department to make decisions on security and we need to be able to have the ammunition to make the case here to increase their budget.”
Murphy said he did not see the question of whether Clinton was personally responsible for lapses in security at the Benghazi facility as the central issue in the hearing. “The decisions that were made (regarding security in Benghazi) clearly didn’t reach Secretary Clinton’s desk and I want her thoughts on how we make sure this doesn’t happen again,” the Connecticut Democrat said.
Murphy, who served three terms in the House before winning a Senate seat, criticized Republicans on the House Oversight Committee for politicizing the Benghazi attack and for running a Benghazi hearing last year that he called “a debacle, a political charade. I’m hopeful that tomorrow’s hearing won’t be the same.”
Stockpiled weapons?
One senator not on the Foreign Affairs Committee but who has led the call for the Obama administration to be more forthcoming about the attack, Sen. Kelly Ayotte, R-N.H., said she hoped to find out from Clinton’s testimony what Clinton was told about security threats to the U.S. facility and what she was told about prior attacks on the facility. She asked, “Does she believe in the characterization that the security was substantial and significant? That was the characterization that Ambassador Rice gave to the nation. And what conversations did she have with the president about securing the consulate?”
Ayotte made the connection Tuesday between the turmoil in Libya – in which jihadists seized weapons stockpiles that had been amassed by the regime of toppled dictator Moammar Gadhafi – and the danger of a similar outcome in Syria, where the security of the Assad regime’s chemical weapons stockpiles is doubt.
Ayotte, a member of a bipartisan Senate delegation that just returned from the Middle East, said, “We have seen the lesson learned, for example, in Libya.”
She said on the Senate delegation’s trip, “We heard in Egypt about weapons from Libya being shipped to the Sinai from Libya. There are reports that there may be connections between weapons from Libya and the (hostage taking) incident in Algeria (in which 37 were killed). We heard from leaders in the Middle East that these weapons are going throughout the Middle East from Libya. We’ve heard concerns about weapons (from Libya) getting the wrong hands…. When you don’t secure weapons and they get in the wrong hands, you put tools in the hands of terrorists.”
A theme from Rubio and other Republicans has been the Obama administration got engaged “too late” and “not decisively enough” in Libya, allowing chaos to prevail in some parts of the country. “The reason why there are all these multiple militias in Libya is because this was a protracted conflict that created the opportunity and the space for these militias to form – similar to what we’re seeing now in Syria,” Rubio said after a Dec. 20 Foreign Relations Committee hearing.
Related:
Republicans press for answers from Clinton on Benghazi
Clinton: 'We did everything we could to keep our people safe'
Rice: 'I relied solely and squarely' on intel given to me for Benghazi comments


We now know why Ambassador Christopher Stevens had to be in Benghazi the night of 9/11 to meet a Turkish representative, even though he feared for his safety. According to various reports, one of Stevens’ main missions in Libya was to facilitate the transfer of much of Gadhafi’s military equipment, including the deadly SA-7 – portable SAMs – to Islamists and other al Qaeda-affiliated groups fighting the Assad Regime in Syria. In an excellent article, Aaron Klein states that Stevens routinely used our Benghazi consulate (mission) to coordinate the Turkish, Saudi Arabian and Qatari governments’ support for insurgencies throughout the Middle East. Further, according to Egyptian security sources, Stevens played a “central role in recruiting Islamic jihadists to fight the Assad Regime in Syria.”
reference - atlasshruggedtoday.wordpress.com/2012/10/30/benghazi-cover-up-article-by-retired-admiral-sheds-light-us-gun-running-in-libya/
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The USA’s Libyan embassy is located in the capital city of Tripoli—not Benghazi. The compound at Benghazi is no more than a CIA facility set-up to arm the ‘rebels’ who ultimately overthrew Moammar Qadaffi. It is important to note, as it turns out, the Libyan ‘rebels’ were substantially Al Qaeda...
Take a quick guess who the Syrian rebels are?
Those of you who answered: “Al Qaeda,” would be correct. So, what we have here is the second instancewhere the CIA facility in Benghazi was used to arm Al Qaeda...
Obama following the leadership of POTUS Carter & POTUS Clinton. Supplying arms and facilitating the spread of radical Muslims, around the World...
I'm not this ladies biggest fan and I don't trust her to be honest but
I do believe she will be thrown under the bus to deflect the blame
from going up the ladder. Hilliary will do it because she is truly a party
supporter. The best choice there was for president in '08 has to bite
the bullet for the clown in chief and she knows it. Hopefully she can
gracefully lie her way out of it.
It's all about kicking a little mud on her the GOP knows if she runs in 2016 they have NO hope that's the reality I'm sure Stevens knew the danger it's not like he was under age, people need to get over the 2012 VICTORY of Obama,instead of whining like a bunch of little girls seems like you people just want to point fingers, you are the problem not the solution to your parties decline NO one like cry babies, get it.
Yawn...
Just waiting for Hillary to commit perjury today!! Her political future is mute. THEY KNEW!!!
Hillary is leaving anyway, she'll take responsibility but not the blame. No underlings have been fired, just reassigned, new title on the same desk they occupied before. " So many things were done wrong by so many people that no one is to blame". Collective Governments practice Collective Deflection.
This will be pure political speak, so John Heinz Kerry's Confirmation Hearings can begin. (I have 3 Purple Hearts and the 3 bandaids to prove it)......She needed 4 months to get her story straight....and have "presidential debate " style preparations....
That "3AM phone call" went right to voicemail...How many times will she invoke "National Security" to not answer a future politically damaging question ???
What better CIA Covert Mission Commander cover than "U.S. Ambassador", so yeah, AC Robertson-2414093....you are correct...
Hey Fedup !!
Just like Fast and Furious!!
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/01/17/Holder-begs-court-to-indefinitely-delay-group-s-lawsuit-fighting-for-release-of-Obama-s-executive-privilege-Fast-and-Furious-documents
Attorney General Eric Holder and his Department of Justice have asked a federal court to indefinitely delay a lawsuit brought by watchdog group Judicial Watch. The lawsuit seeks the enforcement of open records requests relating to Operation Fast and Furious, as required by law.
And they have the nerve to use the children that died in Newton to try to abolish the 2nd Amendment while they give weapons to extreme islamic terrorists and mexican drug cartels?????
Morning Mike!!! Go get em!!
Hate to break it to you AC but Benghazi was an impromptu consulate location. Sure it might have an intelligence officials there but it was protected by state department security assets because I know one of them. The safehouse you are probably mistaking this for was several kilometers away.
Good ol Hil will come in with a half dozen well rehearsed parrot phrases that will not say actually anything. She will repeat them over and over until everyone glazes over. Then we all break for lunch and call it a tragedy.
And somehow Hillary managed to "retire" the last her $12 Million Dollar 2008 Campaign Debt yesterday ....In a position where she is prohibited from raising money for anything.....Barry made good on his promise to pay off her debt, Appoint her Secretary of State in exchange for her giving up her delegates at the 2008 DNC Convention.
Obama following the leadership of POTUS Carter & POTUS Clinton. Supplying arms and facilitating the spread of radical Muslims, around the World...
Ronald Reagan supplied weapons of mass destruction to both Iran and Iraq. Wake up Nixon supplied the Shah of Iran Jets and all types of weapons and we supplied the orifinal AL Queda their start in Afghanistan and you chhoos Obama and Clinton and Carter. Get real We do not know to this daywhether the rebels in Syria or Lybia are controlled by Al Queda who right now are on life support.
Your comment is pure right wing propaganda at its worst!
And the liberals figure that the public loves Hillary enough that even if they put on the blame on her, 4yrs from now no one will remember.
AC Robertson-2414093 you do realize that link you posted is not a reliable source!
Only one question need be asked, Who gave the order to stand down? Now if you are expecting the truth, perhaps a private consultation with Manti T'eo would be the logical play.
I wonder if this hearing is more about spiking Clintons political ambitions than actually finding out what happened. This is the Republicans best chance to hurt Clinton and I suspect they will pull out all the stops.
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Don’t expect too much from Hillary’s testimony. Like everything else these days, no matter what she says, it will be hushed up and swept under the carpet. At best a minnow will surface and will take the blame for the Benghazi stuff up and the public will once again be duped.
right square head - it wouldnt have ANYTHING to do with the fact hilary lied and helped in obamas attempted cover up of the sacking of our embassy and the murder of our ambassador
The GOP is so "concerned" with the lives of a few people that died in Benghazi. Again, their memories fall short. Remember the TORTURE and all the people that died because of the war in Iraq?
It's like Bill Maher said: "A septic tank telling "you need a mint"
You are correct.Let's review all the other things that have been swept under the rug:
ALL THE 8 YEARS OF GEORGE W. BUSH. HE REALLY was just an illusion and never existed. He was just a product of the liberal media. The GOP has not win an election since RONALD REAGAN.
Lockerbie bombing: Google "the selective use of polygraphs"
She could pull an Oliver North stunt and say, "I don't recall" or "I don't know" to every question asked. Typical politican crap. You guys blaming only one side is hilarious. Both parties are crooked and do you know why? Because they know in the end the Democrats will vote democrat and the Republicans will vote republican... They are all the same when it comes to lying. Reagan and Carter armed the Taliban, Clinton didn't pull a raid Iraq because 1.) the republican controlled congress voted "no" on the use of missles and 2.) because he was in the middle of the Lewinsky garbage and Newt and company would have said it was a stunt. Bush could have prevented 9/11 by reading a presidential briefing, you know the one Condi Rice testified about. And Benghazi could have been prevented and so can future attacks if we stop thinking we need to control the whole damn world. The empire is too big and too costly to maintain. If I hear one more moron talk about "American Exceptionalism" that isn't willing to do anything at home but feels we need to impose our scratch that their facist dictitorial will on the whole planet I am going to scream. It is this thinking that is the reason other countries don't like us, and why they want to take us down a peg, but there are too many arrogant fools in this country.
Republicans were certain that Benghazi was their "October surprise". The chance to usher Romney in the back door of the White House. Romney, himself, was so elated that he rushed to a morning after statement filled with conjecture and false accusations. They are as little children mistakenly believing they were promised a delicious treat. They will not be denied, regardless of truth or facts.
Who knows? Today's inquisition may prove to be enlightening. Straight from the horse's mouth to the horse's a$$.
Sam, you must have been in really bad company for the eight years Bush was president, because all you heard from the left the entire 8 years was whining.
Liberal - a walking bundle of contradictions.
breadex
- Thanks for pointing that out. We all need to stop thinking "our" side is blameless. Everyone in DC needs to be treated like a diaper on a newborn and changed often and for the same reason you change a diaper. They all stink!
Those of you who answered: “Al Qaeda,” would be correct.
Are you saying that every single person fighting Assad in Syria is an Al Qaeda sympathizer?
Really?
Before the Benghazi tragedy, there was an effort in congress to boost embassy security around the world. The bill was killed by mostly Republicans.
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Hillary, don't forget to detail that...
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and Hillary, You Go Girl.
Best of luck.
i would not vote for hillary but i believe she loves her country and has done her best to serve it. i also think she will fall on her sword to protect the most incompetent person ive ever seen!
Breadex you use the word Weapons of mass destruction loosely. Reagan,Nixon never supplied any Countries. You are a left wing propagandist when you choose to use a term that includes Nuclear weapons and capabilities. Quit your BS ing
Yes, then she got sick, got a mysterious "concussion," which would be a great segue to having memory loss and not being able to recall the details.......
In all seriousness, the President supposedly receives morning security briefings. An Embassy is being attacked and he knows nothing about it? I very much doubt it. It is far more likely did didn't bother to read or follow through with these reports. At the minimum, he should have been in touch with those who protect our assets and making sure proper means were being taken to protect the Ambassador and others. These people were put in dangerous areas by the US govt. It is the US's job to protect them.
Also, this event is a prime example of the failing morals in this country. 50% of those who voted didn't have a problem with the President lying for weeks about this event. And didn't have a problem with him lying at the debates as well. It is an incredibly sad thing where millions have no problem with a President who lies about Benghazi. Does that mean we have millions in this country who believe lying for personal gain is acceptable?! The lies disrespect those who were killed in the attacks. As it turns out, the truth about their deaths is not as important as a President being re-elected. People should be held responsible for not doing their job and the President Impeached for lying about it.
In the deadly attach in Benghazi, Hillary did not show leadership in her office, letting our ambassador stay over there when everybody already left , even Ambasador Stevens knew what was coming. Anticipation is key and Hilary did not response to provide safety to the ambassador Stevens. Silly is to blame the budget cut to the State Department after we seen Hillary partying every where. We have thousands of consulates and hundred of embassies but is up to her prioritize her resources to put the money where is needed the most. State department failed and to cover up the failure for the massacre and protect Obama in the middle of the election , Ambasador Rice and the White House come up with the most stupid excuse, blame a Mohammad film. WHERE ARE THE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE KILLING OF AMERICANS, YOU PROMISE JUSTICE MRS. CLINTON.
The GOP, lacking any direction or purpose other than to regain power, keeps this silly tempest brewing in their little cracked Teapot. Someday it will come back to scald them but good.
There is information out there that is not for public consumption, not in this era where politics trumps national interest, not when ideologues and hypocrites keep digging in the dirt.
Some people can't handle the truth.
Secretary Clinton has done an exemplary job. Can the same be said for "Photo-Op Condi"? What did she ever accomplish? Has the statute of limitations run out on investigating her 'mushroom cloud' B.S.???
GOP= hypocrisy
It's called Bill Bellechick style interviewing, after your team has lost. Lolz.
There is a lot of information that the most obscure Administration is hiding, because is not convenient for POTUS to go out, there is information hiding from "fast and furious" not " for public consumption".There is information hiding in the case of the head of the EPA Linda Jackson who resigne because she was caught using fake e-mail address in order to move her liberal agenda of course not for "public consumption". However when is necessary for the White House we see very convenient " leaks of information " not for public consumption.
http://www.cnn.com/2012/06/06/politics/white-house-leaks/index.html
The hypocrisy is in your side.
Just another coverup and more lies from another corrupt clinton. Probably won't be able to "recall" anything, kinda like the Whitewater caper. I doubt we will ever get the truth from this crowd about Benghazi or Fast & Furious or anything else. We are in a tailspin and obumbo worries about GUNS!!! How about jobs and the economy, stupid????????
Exactly. Thank you.
The official US embassy is in Tripoli. The consulate where the attack happened is a satellite office on the other side of the country, some 400 miles away. About a mile away from the consulate is the CIA annex.
The incident collectively referred to as the 'Benghazi attack' was actually two separate attacks, one on the Consulate that resulted in the death of Ambassador Stevens and Diplomatic Security Agent Smith from smoke inhalation, and the other attack was on the CIA annex about three to four hours after the consulate burned. Doherty and Woods, the two ex-Navy-SEALS who died during the 'Benghazi attack' were actually killed while helping 30+ Americans evacuate the CIA annex. They were manning a machine gun on the roof laying down cover fire while evacuees were loaded into aircraft and a militant-fired mortar collapsed the roof they were standing on.
Rubio says "We understand that everyone involved cared for and highly valued the people whose lives were lost." From where did he draw that conclusion?!?! Everything I heard indicates that nobody gave a rat's arse about these guys when they were in harms way begging for reinforcements, with their lasers pointed at the combat site. And then after the fact, the administration tried to cover it up - doesn't sound like anybody valued these lives that were lost due to either incompetence or, even worse, fear of political fall out during an election season. Pathetic that this is what the US has evolved into.
Pigotry - really?
How many times do we have to tell you to look at the vote tally and see that more Dems than GOP voted to block it? Get another cup of coffee. You aren't awake and still dreaming.
I can't wait for this non-story witch hunt to be over....
Realist, this is war. Your Shrub lit the fuse and now you blame anyone but Bush for the conflagration. Ambassadors and other diplomats are on the front lines. Are you telling us that we don't value the soldiers whose lives have been lost?
You are not a realist.
I strongly recommend that people visit FactCheck.org and read the time-line and the remarks made by the people in our government that work for us.
http://www.factcheck.org/2012/10/benghazi-timeline/
After reading the factual time-line, and the remarks, the only logical conclusion one can arrive at is they are liars, incompetent boobs, political hacks, and not worthy of serving this country in any capacity.
I can take and forgive a lot of things in life, but I have always had a very low tolerance for liars because they are the epitome of someone without honor, and therefore cannot be trusted. You cannot trust them to give honor to an oath of office to follow the constitution. You cannot trust them to do what is right for the country instead of lining their own pockets.
People without honor simply have no place in our government, and the sooner we as a nation of supposedly free people realize this, the sooner we will be able to fire them all. The only good thing I expect to come out of the Benghazi affair is the end of the Clinton political dynasty. From her initial attacks on president Nixon who did far less than her husband to harm this country, to her incompetent performance as secretary of state, Hillary Clinton has been ridiculous.
Even her own state department could only say she traveled a lot as a reason for her being "the best secretary of state ever". Now there is a metric to be used to rate the performance of secretary of state, don't you think? This secretary of state has zero accomplishments and leaves the country and the world in far worse condition than when she took office. She has proven time and again that her response to trouble is to duck and run and take cover and hide from the press. And this peerson wants to be president? She is simply another bad apple in a large barrel of bad apples called Washington.
If you get the feeling I don't approve of her and her actions and lack thereof, you are correct.
Great Blessed Goddess, where on earth do you people come up with this stuff?
While you're reading that article from Aaron Klein, try also reading this article from reporter Ethan Chorin. He was probably the last person to talk to Stevens alive, and he was in Benghazi the night of the attack:
ON Wednesday morning, my colleagues and I were to meet in Benghazi with J. Christopher Stevens, the American ambassador to Libya, to discuss a plan for a new division of emergency medicine at Benghazi Medical Center, the largest and most modern hospital in eastern Libya. The meeting never took place. The night before, militants laid siege to the American Consulate in Benghazi, killing the ambassador and three other Americans. The ambassador was taken, without a pulse, to the hospital we hoped to upgrade.
The draft agreement we were working on was the kind of visionary effort to improve life in Libya that Ambassador Stevens liked — in this case, a collaboration between doctors in Boston and Benghazi, brokered by a nongovernmental organization that a Libyan-American and I had organized after the recent revolution. Our goal was a center that could also serve as a training facility for all of eastern Libya. It was the kind of public-private and Libyan-American partnership that Ambassador Stevens believed could help Libya move beyond decades of stagnation and despotism.
On Tuesday night, even as the men who would kill him were closing in, Ambassador Stevens told us by phone how happy he was that the project was nearing fruition. He told us it was important to show our government’s support for such initiatives, and we made plans to meet with the medical center’s director general, Dr. Fathi al-Jehani, at the hospital the next morning. Dr. Jehani himself had been a target of violence for his forward-thinking views.
About half an hour later, I called the ambassador’s security detail to discuss the visit, only to hear the words “we’ve got a problem here” — with an alarming expletive inserted. The line went dead. And we were left to listen helplessly as the sounds of distant violence carried across the city to our hotel room — a long rocket-propelled grenade volley, and machine-gun fire that continued for the better part of an hour.
Mr. Chorin goes on to say:
The tragedies of this situation simply compound one another. For a forthcoming book about the Libyan revolution, I have interviewed scores of current and former Western officials, many of whom were either pessimistic about or indifferent to Libya’s growing pains. In their eyes, Libya continues to be a sideshow of the broader Arab Spring.
Ambassador Stevens did not agree. I discussed Libya’s future with him last spring in a Washington cafe, as he awaited confirmation as ambassador. He had already been the deputy chief of mission in Libya, and he had been the United States envoy to Benghazi during the dangerous early days of the revolution. So he knew Libya, and he believed that it could become one of the first full success stories of the Arab Spring — that Islamic radicalism there could be nipped in the bud if Western governments acted decisively to put the country on a path to stability and social progress.
Now, his death may derail the very processes he championed.
Mr. Stevens understood that Libyans had suffered under Col. Muammar el-Qaddafi, and that conflict and post-revolutionary instability were to be expected. He also understood that some, if not all, of the hatred that had pushed some of Libya’s youths to join radical factions in Afghanistan and Iraq had sprung from years of neglect and oppression. Now, he felt, new opportunities needed to be created to wean these people away from ideologies rooted in hate.
No doubt that was one reason he made a point, as ambassador, of continuing to visit Benghazi, the East’s largest city, despite the clear risks; there had been attacks on other high-level diplomats there in the previous months. It is a mystery at this point why the consulate compound was so lightly fortified, but I would not be surprised if Mr. Stevens had decided to stay overnight in Benghazi simply because his list of planned meetings with Libyans there was too long to be accomplished in one afternoon.
Ambassador Stevens loved Benghazi, loved the people the region, and had high opes of their becoming a success story. and the people loved him back, they understood the faith he had in them, considered him their friend, and acknowledged they too had lost something precious when the Ambassador died.
The morning after the attack on the consulate, my colleagues and I returned to the medical center, where we witnessed an outpouring of sadness and, as one physician put it, shame. The emergency room staff members who worked to save Mr. Stevens broke down in tears, as did the physician in charge. Some knew or had met Mr. Stevens; some had not. But all were aware that he had been a champion of Libya, and of Benghazi in particular, and that his death may have rolled back Benghazi’s stupendous revolutionary accomplishments by months — even if it does not set off a period of heightened instability in eastern Libya. Many Libyans outside the hospital also offered condolences and expressed profound regret for America’s loss....
This week the United States lost one of its most admirable public servants, and I can report that at least some Libyans are profoundly aware that the loss is theirs as well. As we arrived at the airport under armed escort, a member of the airport ground crew said: “Today I will go home, I will take off these clothes, and I will put on only black. As a Libyan, I am so sorry this has happened.”
Have the righties decided exactly what Hillary should say here? We all know that unless she says exactly what they want her to, that she must be lying. Course, most righties won't care what she says, it will be wrong simply because she is Obama's Secretary of State.
Hate to say this folks - enough time has passed now and the spot light has been dimmed. The cover-up is complete and Mrs. Clinton and the rest of the Washington gang (both sides) will turn off the dim light today. Case closed.
I can't fathom how this post garnered 19 upvotes (as of this posting).
I mean seriously. Perhaps Clinton could have backed a coup to take out Saddam, nitpicking and debatable as to how beneficial this may have been, but i'll cede that point.
Otherwise, how in the hell could CLinton have prevented the Gulf War, it occurred when GHWB was President while CLinton was Governor of Arkansas. WTF?!?
And preventing 9-11, again, I ask how Clinton could have stopped something that occurred AFTER he was no longer President.
This post is delusional, and yet 19 delusional individuals "agree" with it. I suspect they didn't actually think about the content of the post, just upvoted cause it bashes Clinton and they still love doing that after the whole blowjob-gate-impeachment fiasco...
Republicans have been out to get both Bill and Hillary for the last 20+ years. And every time they try the Clintons make them look stupid. I doubt the outcome of this go-round will be any different.
This article is an apologetic sham ...it doesn't talk about any of the real issues...Clinton is going to have to answer the tough questions MSNBC doesn't want to cover like:
- how come fast reaction teams in Tripoli and Croatia not given permission to move into Libya from the state department?
-Why didn't the state department ask for permission from Italy to launch air cover?
- why were the Marines in Tripoli ordered to deplane and get in civilian cloths when it was a US ambassador that was in imminent danger? Why werent they then given permision to take off?
This administartion is a disgrace trying to sweep this under the carpet before an election...All a bunch of POS's
There was no security there because the consulate was a satellite office from which to conduct meetings. No one was permannently staffewd/housed/posted there.
Ambassador Stevens was a champion for the Libyan people. He understood what they were trying to accomplish, understood that the people wanted a democratic government with westernized ideas that still paid homage to their traditions. He loved the region, the people, and was invested in them before he was even confirmed in his post as Ambassador to Libya.
The tragedies of this situation simply compound one another.:For a forthcoming book about the Libyan revolution, I have interviewed scores of current and former Western officials, many of whom were either pessimistic about or indifferent to Libya’s growing pains. In their eyes, Libya continues to be a sideshow of the broader Arab Spring.
Ambassador Stevens did not agree. I discussed Libya’s future with him last spring in a Washington cafe, as he awaited confirmation as ambassador. He had already been the deputy chief of mission in Libya, and he had been the United States envoy to Benghazi during the dangerous early days of the revolution. So he knew Libya, and he believed that it could become one of the first full success stories of the Arab Spring — that Islamic radicalism there could be nipped in the bud if Western governments acted decisively to put the country on a path to stability and social progress.
@Glenn-974637 - Yeah, Glenn, look who is lying! Rubio and McCain, the village idiots, Rubio (the king of bankruptcy) - yeah, with you and those two idiots - we will surely get to the real truth! Ha!
A Clinton is testifying?! What's the point? There isn't a Clinton alive that knows how to tell the truth.
Given that there is a legitimate reason to ask questions about this episode where our ambassador is brutally murdered on duty, etc., is there any legitimate way to investigate this that would please you? Perhaps as long as the Republicans promise not to consider the responsibility of Hillary or Obama?
Scary, isn't it? Tin foil hats seem to be in fashion these days.
Keep telling it like it is, DG.
Did I hear someone say, "Tempest in a Teapot?" Nobody but the families of the dead and some RIght WIng cranks gives a dang about this.
Hoo! It's started! Rubio an idiot? Is he the new Sarah Palin? King of bankruptcy? Really? Is this what they're trotting out over at the Daily Kos already? The politics of personal destruction worked on Romney and Palin, why not keep the game plan?
Calling a pretty brilliant guy like Rubio an idiot while ignoring true dolts like Pelosi, Biden, et. al. makes one's head spin. How about we debate on the issues rather than smearing your way to the top? You ought to be ashamed.
That's only because our compliant media has told you that you don't care. Can you imagine if this happened under Bush? It would still be leading the CBS, NBC and ABC news today! And you know that's true!
Nobody but the families of the dead and drooling encephalitic Republicans care hunh? I don't usually go much for ad hominems on these boards, but you sir, are a tool.
If I were Mrs. Clinton, I would deflect all answers towards the topic of global warming, and how Al Gore ruined it by becoming richer than Mitt Romney.
Here's an exercise: Arms down at sides, point with your index finger. Now, keeping your upper arms at your sides, raise your pointing fingers across your front so they point to the opposite side. One finger points to th eleft and one to the right: That is where the blame will go to
It will be interesting to see if Hillary takes the 5th on any questions, or invokes national security as a reason not to answer. Hopefully she will answer at least one question in the time honored Clinton tradition of, that depends on what the meaning for the word "is" is. One thing for sure, Clinton has had plenty of time to prepare, and you can expect honesty to be elusive.
@Breadex, I was never able to verify this but according to one Blogger, former president Bill Clinton admitted
in Chicago that he sold WMDs to Saddam and was booed off the stage. Which then got out the black vote. for Pres. Obama
I believe Bill Clinton was considered by some to be our first "black" president. I think it was Thomas Jefferson Anyway Another Blogger said it was
former President Reagan. But who knows?
Sad but true. They couldn't get Obama for spitting gum on the sidewalk.
I'm surprised they don't try to impeach him for wearing the wrong color tie.
Some people will stoop to anything to discredit a great leader. That's all this amounts to. *yawn*
ClownsWillKillYou:
You have some interesting questions, so let's address those one by one:
Moving our military into another sovereign country without that government's knowledge or permission, no matter the reason, can cause a diplomatic incident. One also wonders would they have been able to get there in time to make any difference in the attack at all? The attack started around 9:40 local time, and Ambassador Stevens arrived at the hospital in Benghazi around midnight.
If a rogue extremist faction in our country decided to storm the Mexican or Canadian embassy and set fire to it, would you expect our law enforcement forces and our military to handle it? Would you welcome the Mexican Marines or the Canadian Navy flying planes into our country's airspace without our permission or foreknowledge, shooting at our citizens (who are attacking the embassy?) Or would you look at it as an affront to our sovereignty?
Again, moving military into another soveiegn country without the prior knowledge or consent from that country's government can cause diplomatic incident. And again, would they have gotten there in time to make any difference at all?
The US Embassy in Tripoli was 400 miles away on the other side of the country. They wouldn't have gotten there in time to make any difference in the embassy attack, though they might possibly have made a difference in the CIA annex attack. However, no one could have predicted that the militants would have tried to attack the CIA annex. When the warning went out that all Americans in the country could be targeted, and all Americans in the country should evacuate, the most common-sense approach would be to order anyone not involved in the immediate fighting, and anyone whose presence would make absolutely no difference in the eventual outcome, to slip into civilian clothes, blend in with the civilians, and get out of the country as fast and as quietly as possible in a tactical strategic retreat. Wearing a military uniform when you're trying to sneak out of a region is insanity--might as well tape a sign to your back saying 'I'm an American soldier, shoot me now!'
My prediction. Hillary will be asked questions on embassy security and will answer with the general policy statements. When the questions get more specific on what happened the night of the raid she will answer by stating her memory of the events is hazy. After she testifies the administration will bring in medical experts that will state that her memory lapses are consistent with an individual having had a head injury and blood clot in the brain.
#1.1 - AC, Strategy 101 Divide and conquer.
http://edition.cnn.com/2013/01/09/opinion/bakos-syria-al-qaeda/index.html
So no, apparently we do know who the terrorists are and can distinguish between them.
GOP members of the investigative committee will do everything they can to place as much blame as possible on Secretary of State Clinton. Perhaps, not because their accusations will be true, because they are not seeking the entire truth of the events leading up to the attack. Their mission is to cause as much political fallout as they can to accomplish two goals. To discredit the Obama administration and lay as much blame as possible on Clinton to damage her as a viable political candidate for president in 2016. If Clinton decides to run for president you can rest assured that clips and sound bites of this testimony will appear on many anti-Clinton political ads. These guys are thinking ahead.
we already forgot....dirpa dirpa whats Bengazhi.. who is clinton...what show were they on? All I know/see is my pacifier ....msn/fb provide for me daily
omg there is a pic of Milli Vanilli on msn front page.....see forgotten already
No evidence?
Have YOU YOURSELF done ANY PERSONAL Research?!
My bottom dollar says no,
There are plenty of documents that prove that BOTH sides lied to you,
1.)There were over 350 Emails sent out DURING the attack, at least 5 to the situation room in the White House.
2.)The President was watching LIVE DRONE FEED from not one but TWO drones, yea they had "no idea what was going on"
3.) "Ambassador" Stevens wasn't even in an Embassy, it was a CIA SAFEHOUSE, look at ANY picture provided and you shall see a House on fire, not an Embassy, which has gates, guards, some form of protection.
As the first shots rang out at our Consulate, the calls for help, coming from the "safe" annex were sent to Washington.
Not once.
Not twice.
Three times, Tyrone Woods(ex SEAL) and a CIA operative, at the annex, called for help and asked permission to go TO the Consulate to offer assistance…To fight.
Washington denied them.
Not once.
Not twice.
Three times, Washington denied them help or permission to join the fight.
After the third denial, Ex Navy Seal, Tyrone Woods, went against the direct order to stand down and, he stood up.
Tyrone Woods went to the Consulate defying a direct order and he got as many of our personnel out of there as he could…Including the body of State Department officer Sean Smith.
We also learned the other day that Woods and Doherty were on the roof of the annex and from their vantage point, could see the position of the mortars being fired at them. They "painted" that position with a laser used to guide weapons from military aircraft.
Military aircraft that were not coming to help.
Those aircraft, from Italy, which could have included Blackhawk helicopters and a C-130 gunship, had also been ordered, from Washington, to stand down.
For those unfamiliar with a C-130 gunship, it is one of the most feared weapons in our military. The C-130 is specifically designed for close air support roles include supporting ground troops, escorting convoys, and flying urban operations. Air interdiction missions are conducted against planned targets and targets of opportunity. Force protection missions include defending bases and other facilities.
As far as the enemy is concerned…When a C-130 gunship comes into the picture…Hell comes with it.
Defense Secretary Leon Panetta spoke on Thursday and, as a reason for NOT sending help, stated: "The basic principle is that you don't deploy forces into harm's way without knowing what's going on, without having some real-time information about what's taking place. And as a result of not having that kind of information…[we] felt very strongly that we could not put forces at risk in that situation."
The problem is this.
We DID have real-time information. Those in the State Department were literally watching the terrorist attack happen live via video link AND we had what we now know were 2 unmanned drones over the attack site in Benghazi. If that's not enough, at the annex, less than a mile away, we had a Navy Seal, Tyrone Woods AND a CIA operative.
By the time the second wave of the attack began, at the annex, we had the CIA operative and 2 Navy Seals, Woods and Doherty and THEY were "painting" the position of the mortar launches with a laser used to guide the very weapons that a Blackhawk or C-130 could have brought to bear.
If that's not enough, our military is the most highly trained military on earth. Those who fly those ships of war train each and every day for exactly the sort of eventually that was transpiring that night in Benghazi. Their very job is to go into harm's way.
Combined…all of this lays waste to Panetta's explanation and reduces it to nothing but a bald faced, unadulterated lie.
For an act of treason to occur, a state of war must exist.
We are indeed at war. In Afghanistan, we are currently engaged in war against al Qaeda. Ansar al-Sharia IS a well-known al Qaeda affiliate and Ansar al-Sharia was attacking our consulate and annex, both considered American soil.
For an act of treason to be committed, one must manifest a betrayal of allegiance to the United States, such as furnishing enemies with arms, troops, transportation, shelter, or classified information.
There are some 20,000 shoulder fired rockets, RPG's and other heavy weapons MISSING that were provided to Libyan rebels in the attempt to oust Gaddafi from power. We didn't know WHO those rebels were at the time we armed them and, in fact, within hours of Gaddafi's death, the flags of al Qaeda were flying in Benghazi.
Furthermore, in cables from security personnel in the months leading up TO the fatal attack, it was clearly stated that those al Qaeda flags were still flying over several government buildings in Benghazi.
Also, regarding an act of treason, If a subversive act has any tendency to weaken the power of the United States to attack or resist its enemies, aid and comfort has been given.
The order for Navy Seal Tyrone Wood to stand down, the orders to our military in Italy to stand down and the repeated…not once…Not twice but…Three denials of help from Washington does, by any definition, equate to a "weakening of the power to resist its enemies."
During the 2nd debate, when a question regarding Libya was posed, Obama responded:
"Secretary Clinton has done an extraordinary job but, she works for Me. I'm the president. I'm always responsible."
The State Department was watching the attack live, in real-time.
Emails were sent to some 400 people in Washington DURING the attack, in real-time.
Among the recipients of those emails was the White House Situation room.
At the time those emails arrived at the White House Situation Room, Obama was meeting with his Security Team.
Obama says that HE is the president and HE is responsible.
I am sensing a very, very…VERY short chain of command here.
The calls for help from the CIA operative and Tyrone Woods were NOT ignored and did NOT go unanswered. The requests to enter the fight from bases in Italy were NOT ignored and did NOT go unanswered.
All were DENIED.
That shows a purposeful action.
All of those calls for help and requests for deployment were DENIED purposefully.
The result was that our enemy, those conducting the operation against our Consulate, our annex, our assets and our personnel in Benghazi, was aided…AIDED…by a purposeful lack of response…DIRECTED FROM THE HIGHEST LEVELS IN WASHINGTON.
Our Consulate in Benghazi was destroyed while Washington officials watched, received emails and denied calls for help in real-time.
4 Americans were killed while Washington officials watched, received emails and denied calls for help in real-time.
Whatever confidential papers or records contained in that Consulate were either destroyed or went missing while Washington officials watched, received emails and denied calls for help in real-time.
"…such as furnishing enemies with arms, troops, transportation, shelter, or CLASSIFIED INFORMATION…"
Who?
Who gave the willful and purposeful order to deny help when Navy Seal Tyrone Woods called?
Who?
Who gave the willful and purposeful order for Tyrone Woods and the CIA Operative to Stand Down?
Who?
Who gave the willful and purposeful order for our highly trained, apt and heavily armed military in Italy to stand down?
Who?
"Secretary Clinton has done an extraordinary job but, she works for ME. I'm the president. I'm always responsible."
For the very life of me, I cannot conjure a single conclusion other than treason, brought about by political cowardice, for denying help not once, not twice but, three times in the midst of a terrorist attack and not one reason but treason, brought about by political cowardice, for the willful and purposeful order to those in a position to offer needed help in the midst of a terrorist attack, to stand down.
2 quotes come to mind. The first, from Marcus Tullius Cicero, describes the sort of man who would issue orders not to send help and for Tyrone Woods and Glen Doherty to stand down in the face of the attack.
"A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to fear. The traitor is the plague."
And the second, from John15:13, is the precise description of the last hours and minutes of the lives of Woods and Doherty.
"Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends."
Closed Hearings?
No REPORTERS ALLOWED and you wonder why,
Let me ask…how does the Kool Aid taste?
Think Smarter Not Harder Ladies & Gentlemen
IRespond: "The GOP is so "concerned" with the lives of a few people that died in Benghazi."
Yes. AMERICAN lives. Would you feel the same way if it was your family members? Granted, nobody likes the loss of lives during a war. I ought to know, I served my country proudly for 8 years and saw more than my share of fellow military members returning home to their families in a casket, sacrificing everything for the freedoms that we enjoy. The problem with people like you is this...we didn't do enough. Every American citizen has the right to the best protection that we can give, and we failed them, miserably. War may be a necessary evil, but this wasn't war; this was just tragic, and we did nothing to stop it from happening.
When you leaders behave like this it sends a message to the rest of the country, that you can lie, manipulate, and coerce and you will be OK as long as you place blame on others.
LEAD BY EXAMPLE. I am not talking about our leaders.
This big war against legal gun owners by this president is just another excuse to deal with the jobs issue and the economy for which he has NO plan or answer. It is also another power grab. Watch his judicial appointments in the next 4 years...it is your life and thier appoinments for life.
Have you heard ANY plan for job growth from the president since the election?
oh poor Hillary doesn't care "what difference it makes on HOW Americans died...just that they did?"
She refuses to answer WHY the Americans were LIED to about HOW they died!!!
Because God forbid, we knew BEFORE the election that AQ was alive and well!!
Ambassador Stevens was at the consulate. The CIA annex was about a mile away and compeletely separate from the consulate's suite of buildings.
The original source for this came from a reporter named Jennifer Griffin at FOX News, and given the source I'd question its veracity as no other major news network has been able to confirm this rumor; whoever the source for this was has not spoken to any other news outlet, and most of the discussion I could find on this subject (opinions and blogs, few true news organizations) tracked back to the FOX article. And even in this article it never says who/what agency actually denied it, if this denial happened at all. Therefore, you CANNOT say with absolute certainty that Washington denied it.
In response to a Fox News story claiming CIA operatives in Benghazi were prevented from aiding U.S. Ambassador Chris Stevens during his time of need, the CIA says it never instructed any of its personnel from helping the four Americans who died on Sept. 11. In an e-mailed statement, CIA spokeswoman Jennifer Youngblood says "no one at any level in the CIA" told operatives at a local CIA annex in Benghazi not to help Amb. Stevens:
The blanket statement is in response to a range of allegations brought up by Fox News's national security correspondent Jennifer Griffin. Among the allegations, Griffin said "sources who were on the ground in Benghazi" said CIA operatives about a mile away from Amb. Stevens' compound were told twice to "stand down" after hearing gunshots during the night of the assault. (The gunshots were heard at approximately 9:40 p.m.) Additionally, Griffin's report says that former Navy SEAL Tyrone Woods disobeyed orders to "stand down" and rushed to the U.S. compound housing Amb. Stevens alongside at least two other personnel. After receiving fire from militants near the compound, the team reportedly evacuated everyone they could find and returned to the CIA annex to call for more backup. "At that point, they called again for military support and help because they were taking fire at the CIA safe house, or annex. The request was denied," reported Griffin. There are a number of details in Griffin's story that will likely raise more questions, such as an extended account of a security officer manning a "heavy machine gun" on the roof of the CIA annex who couldn't receive assistance from higher ups. For now, the CIA isn't saying no one was ever prevented from assisting the U.S. compound but it is vowing that the agency itself never played a role in denying those requests.
yep. As of THIS post, we now have 36 deluded individuals who can't tell fact from fiction. Just blinded by their hatred. Par for the course with this ilk.
It depends on what the meaning of the word "is" is!
First, I'd like to know where "GetMeOutAlive42" got all his info, especially considering the nitty-gritty of what he is talking about is likely classified.
Can you link a source to your timeline Get?
Second, I love how he's advocating that we should have sent in C-130 gunships from Italy (which would not have made it there on time to make one iota of a difference) so that they could "unleash hell" in defense of Amb. Stevens. Yeah, that sounds like a great idea. Lets level city blocks in an urban environment in some sovereign nation to defend one man who knowingly took the risky post he occupied. Are you trying to start ANOTHER war abroad? Cause that's what unleashing C-130 air support would be the equivalent of...
lying about a blowjob is not a national security threat, unless of course you're a Republican circa late 1990's and you're willing to use any means, no matter what the cost, so wrestle power from an otherwise popular President.
The entire lewinski scandal is but a stain on national conscience. Yes, that pun was intended...
Hi Commonsense,
I doubt the GOP thought Benghazi was our "October Surprise", not the least reason of which was that it was September. What we thought, and still think imo, is that Benghazi is symptomatic of the Obama administration's foreign policy. Our hope, I'm sure, was that more Americans would be shocked by either of the two possible explanations for the administration's actions post-9/11--that it was incompetent or that it was nefarious--but the voters decided otherwise.
Hillary Clinton is paying homage to the wisdom and foresight of Chris Stevens. He was the one who sent many cables to DC explaining in detail, even to the point of identifying specific groups and players within them, the threats the US position in Libya faced. He was the one, among others, who sent cables to DC asking for additional security, or at least not the removal of the security that was there. But people in DC knew better. After the attack, of course, we were told by leftists that had the GOP not cut security funding that the right assets would have been in place. Could be. Except that DOS spokestwit Victoria Nuland specifically said that funding had NOTHING to do with the decision to remove security, or deny additional security.
So we are left to wonder...since the 16 DOD-funded security specialists that had been there and wanted to remain there and were requested by Stevens to be left there were removed by a nameless person in DC, just who is this nameless person in DC who is so much wiser, with better information and foresight, than the lauded Ambassador Stevens who happened to be on the ground dealing with events in real time?
Sorry, but this is a mess. Most in the GOP aren't going to press hard, mostly because voters seem not to care about serious matters at this time, and pressing hard on serious matters might cost the GOP some seats. I think THAT is borderline traitorous, but at a minimum is misfeasance. But the coverup by Mr. Obama and his people is inexcusable, and people like you should care. The fact you don't indicates the true existential threat faced by America. Hint: It's not al Qaeda.
YES YES YES This crap has been going on for 70+ years and needs to stop.. This spans both parties and shows that Washington is a rotten apple full of worms.. But the effort to diminish Constitutional rights via this $hit shoveling started during the Clinton era and has been accelerating ever since.. Deceptive things like 911 and Fast and Furious are attacks directed squarely on the people of the US.. So when these CIA armed radicals shoot down a few airplanes in the US this will be the governments opportunity for ???? Maybe martial law or a police state or a country controlled by Homeland Security/FEMA, your guess is as good as mine.. She will take one for the NEW WORLD ORDER and be rewarded under the table.. The tip of the iceberg has been exposed and we a s citizens need to see more............
you're right. Things like watergate, iran-contra, the selling of chemical weapons to Saddam Hussein, and the Savings & Loan scandals never happened. It all started with that rascally Clinton...
kaybeetoys, the difference is that in a war (at least Bush's war), when our soldiers need reinforcement, you damn well better believe that the cavalry is brought in... and no man is left behind. In the cowardly incompetant Obama administration, we had our men begging for help, and people who had the means and the ability to help them were ordered to stand down. Aint nothing more UnAmerican than that. Not to mention that in the weeks leading up to the event, Stevens and others were begging for better defense. It was so attrocious that two men risked (and gave) their lives (btw they were also left to die) against those orders to help those who were in harms way.
Some will argue that we need more funding so that we can afford resources to protect American interests. However, this was not an issue of funding. This was an issue of incompetence, which unfortunately is something you can't buy your way out of.
DrowningGrover As stated the foul acts have been going on since WW2 but the organized chipping away at Constitutional rights and the Bill of Rights is a a more recent goal.. I blame them all, not just your King Obama.. It is all about money and power..
When airliners start getting shot down we will know why.. An even worse thought would be the downing of US military planes as a false flag to start another war..
@ Coco - good post....but the problem is, Obama didn't have a plan to create new jobs before the election either! He didn't his entire first term, what makes anyone think he will the second? (I'm not holding my breath.....)
I see it as the opposite. For the most part, our rights have been expanding. The end of slavery, women's suffrage, racial integration, acceptance of homosexuality and gay marriage, abortion as a medical procedure, etc.
Yes the expansion of military powers concerns me as it should all Americans, things like the Patriot Act and warrantless wiretapping, but neither party has a stranglehold on those restrictions of our rights (I think you'd agree with me here).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_of_Tonkin_incident
HILLARY: I want the glory, not the responsibility!
So where were all of these self righteous Republicans when we lost 4,500 men and women in Iraq along with several hundred thousand mentally and physically wounded, killed mlore than 100,000 locals and dislocated 20% of the Iraq population (5,000,000 refugees) in a war that we did not need to fight.
Of the 19 Arabs involved in 911, most were Saudis trained in Afghanistan, trained by Pakistanis and funded by a myriad of Middle Easterners. I note that all of these countries represent themselves as being allies of the U.S. There were no Iraqis involved in 911 which was the apparent logical reason for invading them.
Then we proceeded to screw up the war in Iraq and dump a tanker load of gasoline on an existing fire storm between Muslims, Christians and Jews - a war we will regret for generations.
HDumpty from nowhere,
Some of us were in Iraq several times...
Are you forgetting about the Clinton Dec 1998 Desert Fox and the bombing of Baghdad???
According to Iraq - hundreds of thousands civilians died...
According to the US/Uk - 25-civil killed, 75-wounded & 62-Iraq military killed...
According to official records of the bombing event:
17 Dec - 250+ship launched cruise missiles (1000+lb warheads), plus 100+Aircraft launched cruise missiles (2,000+lb warheads) and 250+aircraft flew bombing missions...
18 Dec - Saw the heavest bombing of Bagdad...
19 Dec - After 400+cruise missiles, 61+laser-guided bombs (1,000 & 2,000+lb warheads) and 600+sorties flown, the bombing was stopped due to Ramadan...
Just like the thousands of Armed drones (20+lb warheads) used by the CIA. That have KILLED few innocent civilians according to Obama/CIA or thousands according to foreign media...
Or POTUS Carter and his CIA/ISI that armed, funded & trained the radical Muslims in Afghanistan, starting mid-1979. Operation Cyclone was one of the longest and most expensive covert CIA operations ever undertaken...[1]
Or POTUS Clinton who authorized the transfer of thousands of armed radical Muslims from Afghanistan to fight in Bosnia and Croatia. Clinton-approved Iranian arms transfers help turn Bosnia into a militant Islamic base. The figure of 200,000 dead, injured, and missing was frequently cited by human rights organizations and media reports after the war...
Or how many are still dying in Vietnam/Laos (Agent Orange & bomblets) from the WAR that LBJ lied about to escalate???
How about Afghanistan and Obama's 'Just War', 2009??? It has killed OVER TWICE the number of US Troops in half of the time @ DOUBLE the COST. The civilian casualities are in the tens of thousands...
BTY - Bush & the UK turned the Afghan 'Nation Building' over to the UN+52 other countries - Dec 2001. After at least 1,000-1,300 civilians were directly killed by the U.S.-led aerial bombing campaign[4]...
But George Bush, killed so many and it cost so much... Ha! Ha!
"According to various reports" meaning "according to various right-wing conspiracy theorists and random liars." This weapon smuggling to Syria nonsense is tin foil hat grade nonsense. Likewise, there were no drones recording the attack. There was no one watching it happen on live video. There was no order given for military assets to "stand down" and not come to the consulate's aid. Those are all just lies that conservatives have peddled over the last several months.
the monday morning QB;s are at it again. What is really going in the volatile middle east? do you really know? who really knows as clans, tribes, fragments and dozens of groups are selling and buying arms, moving this stockpile through this country, getting opposing countries to agree on where the arms go. Now tell me its not about the guns eh? you sound like the NRA, take away the guns, the ammunition, the missiles and those idiots would resort to sabres which would certainly limit the collateral damages.
ms clinton is in charge of 275 posts, and how many of you have similar responsibilities? not one of you could muster the experience to handle that scope of a mission.
so, to all of you who are complaining and especially the GOPers who only complain rather than solve, the other side can launch offensive raids against any US compound at any time and they have done so and they will continue. our answer - black ops and drones, and we are fighting back. this is war people, don't you get it and there are casualties in war, get used to it, like "W" had to do with 4300 deaths on his hands, remember that?
infidel vs infidel, and each one has a different definition of infidel. christians and muslims, what a waste of time, what blood is on their collective hands, then bring the communists wannabees and more blood appears on the side of the road.
this is the best man can do and it will never be good enough.
I agree completely, except for your last sentence. If we can't do any better we will end up annihilating our species. Only we can save ourselves and our planet.
Clinton Dec 1998 Desert Fox and the bombing of Baghdad???
According to Iraq - hundreds of thousands civilians died...
According to the US/Uk - 25-civil killed, 75-wounded & 62-Iraq military killed...
According to official records of the bombing event:
17 Dec - 250+ship launched cruise missiles (1000+lb warheads), plus 100+Aircraft launched cruise missiles (2,000+lb warheads) and 250+aircraft flew bombing missions...
18 Dec - Saw the heavest bombing of Bagdad...
19 Dec - After 400+cruise missiles, 61+laser-guided bombs (1,000 & 2,000+lb warheads) and 600+sorties flown, the bombing was stopped due to Ramadan...
Just like the thousands of Armed drones (20+lb warheads) used by the CIA. That have KILLED few innocent civilians according to Obama/CIA or thousands according to foreign media sorces...
Or POTUS Carter and his CIA/ISI that armed, funded & trained the radical Muslims in Afghanistan, starting mid-1979. Operation Cyclone was one of the longest and most expensive covert CIA operations ever undertaken...[1]
Or POTUS Clinton who authorized the transfer of thousands of armed radical Muslims from Afghanistan to fight in Bosnia and Croatia. Clinton-approved Iranian arms transfers help turn Bosnia into a militant Islamic base. The figure of 200,000 dead, injured, and missing was frequently cited by human rights organizations and media reports after the war...
Or how many are still dying in Vietnam/Laos (Agent Orange & bomblets) from the WAR that LBJ lied about to escalate???
How about Afghanistan and Obama's 'Just War', 2009??? It has killed OVER TWICE the number of US Troops in half of the time @ DOUBLE the COST. US Troop deaths are over 2030, the civilian casualities are in the tens of thousands...
BTY - Bush & the UK turned the Afghan 'Nation Building' over to the UN+52 other countries - Dec 2001. After at least 1,000-1,300 civilians were directly killed by the U.S.-led aerial bombing campaign[4]...
But George Bush, killed so many and it cost so much... Ha! Ha!
What's this? I thought Al Quada was crushed. I must have misunderstood prez! By the way....wasn't the inauguration incredible.....@ 1 million in attendance...and only 14 had to miss work! Truly a gala event. You gotta' love that beyonnce.....her voice was never better.....just good that the recording didn't skip!
According to the Community Organizer, when Bin Laden was Killed Al Quada was destroyed.
not quite sure who you are referring to. Castro? And what was Castro doing in Hawaii or Illinois?
Are you on drugs?
AC Robertson: Congratulations on the most ideologicallly pure response to the situation - even managing to bring in Carter and CLinton while ignoring Reagan and Bush. You are a goood, no you are a great Republican and ideologue- managaing to cherrry pick whatever tidbits of facts and factoids as willl suppport your ideology. This whole thing is what they calll a "Tempest in a Teapot" with no legs other than with Right WIng ideologues like yourself. Enjopy the next fouyr years and then 8 more after that, amigo.
Have you ever heard of a federal holiday called Martin Luther King, Jr. Day? No? How about the Fourth of July?
She's a Clinton, she'll lie to protect Barry.
I don't think she would lie to protect "Barry", but she would lie to protect the Democratic Party.
Merely the manifestation of a total lack of honor.
Recall she took "full responsibility" for the benghazi situation. Now we'll see how far that 'responsibility' carries in a well-rehearsed and strategically thought out testimonial
You people can't handle the truth. Therefore, you do not deserve to hear it.
And it never ends.
Arming any of these people in an unstable enviroment is just plain stupid, Syrians, Egyptians, Quataris and the like do not have a real agenda for establishing any kind of legitimate government, this is nothing shy of stone age tribal warfare by woefully undereducated peoples, and our government actually gives them firearms.
These idiotic decisions are not only made by those in the middle tiers of our government either, Our fearless leader has recently seen fit to send (At the American taxpayers expense at a time when we can least afford it) 200 Abrams Tanks and at least 6 state of the art fighter jets to Egypt, yes Egypt! and when that decision turns around and bites us in the butt, who will Obama throw under the bus for it?
The garbage that is republican will do what ever it takes to get rid of Hillary Clinton. They know she is one very tough lady and the GARBAGE that is republican don't want her around.
I knew Ambassador Stevens and I think this administration left them to die on purpose. Obama and Hillary are nothing but liars, whatever comes out of their mouth believe the opposite.
@Barry Sotero - Oh, the big Jewish Child Molester is back online - bragging that he knew Ambassador Stevens and what exactly is the next piece of BS you are going to post on here? You are up awfully early this morning for the Grover Norquist crowd! What a piece of crap!
Barry Sotero: How well did you know him?
I found this article from reporter Ethan Chorin. He was probably the last person to talk to Stevens alive. He knew the Ambassador personally, from long acquaintance, and his words are eloquent and powerful, and I agree with him:
ON Wednesday morning, my colleagues and I were to meet in Benghazi with J. Christopher Stevens, the American ambassador to Libya, to discuss a plan for a new division of emergency medicine at Benghazi Medical Center, the largest and most modern hospital in eastern Libya. The meeting never took place. The night before, militants laid siege to the American Consulate in Benghazi, killing the ambassador and three other Americans. The ambassador was taken, without a pulse, to the hospital we hoped to upgrade.
Ambassador Stevens arrived after midnight at Benghazi Medical Center, where we were to have met. Its emergency room staff, which included Libyan expatriates who had returned from well-paid jobs abroad, worked for 45 minutes to try to resuscitate him. It was no use.
The tragedies of this situation simply compound one another. For a forthcoming book about the Libyan revolution, I have interviewed scores of current and former Western officials, many of whom were either pessimistic about or indifferent to Libya’s growing pains. In their eyes, Libya continues to be a sideshow of the broader Arab Spring.
Ambassador Stevens did not agree. I discussed Libya’s future with him last spring in a Washington cafe, as he awaited confirmation as ambassador. He had already been the deputy chief of mission in Libya, and he had been the United States envoy to Benghazi during the dangerous early days of the revolution. So he knew Libya, and he believed that it could become one of the first full success stories of the Arab Spring — that Islamic radicalism there could be nipped in the bud if Western governments acted decisively to put the country on a path to stability and social progress.
Now, his death may derail the very processes he championed.
Mr. Stevens understood that Libyans had suffered under Col. Muammar el-Qaddafi, and that conflict and post-revolutionary instability were to be expected. He also understood that some, if not all, of the hatred that had pushed some of Libya’s youths to join radical factions in Afghanistan and Iraq had sprung from years of neglect and oppression. Now, he felt, new opportunities needed to be created to wean these people away from ideologies rooted in hate.
No doubt that was one reason he made a point, as ambassador, of continuing to visit Benghazi, the East’s largest city, despite the clear risks; there had been attacks on other high-level diplomats there in the previous months. It is a mystery at this point why the consulate compound was so lightly fortified, but I would not be surprised if Mr. Stevens had decided to stay overnight in Benghazi simply because his list of planned meetings with Libyans there was too long to be accomplished in one afternoon.
So there is a character description from someone who knew him even before he was appointed Ambassador. How well did you know him? How long did you know him? Could you provide any other insight into the character of the Ambassador?
Seems to me there needs to be better rules in place to require certain threat levels be reported up the ranks. This would ensure higher ranking officials take action and responsibility.
You have the right idea, @ textrish-
We need to learn from this incident and take appropriate steps to prevent it from happening again.
Sadly, no matter what is said at this point, the haters have already reached their conclusion (based on minimal information). They aren't looking for the truth.
Hey allen,
I think the fact that State Dept. officials ran requests for additional security on 5 separate occasions after multiple threats were detected and documented all the way up the chain of command and got a resounding NO is reason enough to get rid of someone when the end result is loss of life, dignity and property.
You tea baggers amaze me. The Tea Bag/republican led house of representatives cut the State Department Security budget by 296 million dollars prior to the attack. So, what did you expect to happen?
Tea Bagger/Republicans keep saying government can't do anything right and then set out to make what they say true. They are nothing more than the modern day KKK, anti Americans one and all!
no ricky - this is more about the fact that obama , hillary and susan lied and attempted a cover up.
You socialist libs amaze me. The democrats had control of both the House and the Senate for 4 years, 2 of them with Obama in office and didnt correct the problem then. In addition, the State Department has the option to use private companies to fill gaps in security with a separate budget and neglected to pursue that option. As a third option, the State Department could ALSO utilize a contingent of Marines for this very purpose (Marine Security Guards of MSGs are tasked and paid for by the DOD for consulate and embassy protection). So dont give me your ALL THOSE WHO ARENT DEMS ARE RACISTS! catch all excuses, its pathetic.
PC/KNOT. What cover up? Please document.
riley. I know it's not in your makeup to do any kind of fact checking.
However, democrats have not had the super majority that is needed to override filibusters by tea bagger/republicans in the senate since 1979. Additionally they've only had a majority in the senate two of the last 18 years.
In the house they again only had a simple majority, not enough to over ride a filibuster, for four years since the republican Contract on America in 1995.
Republicans have used the filibuster over 400 times in past two years to stop any kind of legislation. And it was a republican House of Representatives that passed the budget cutting $296,000,000 fromm the state department security budget. Fact not fiction.
Rick-911527 ...(#11.1)..."You tea baggers amaze me. The Tea Bag/republican led house of representatives cut the State Department Security budget by 296 million dollars prior to the attack. So, what did you expect to happen?"
They didn't cut the "Security Budget"....You decide to put it that way....
The State Department allocates the funds it gets and chose to buy more Chevy Volts and Install Charging Stations in places like France and Belgium...Bolster the GREEN ENERGY face overseas....at the same time pulled the Security Forces out of Libya....It didn't fit the Barryministrations attempt to portray U.S. relations with Libya as Normalized after Gaddafi.....How could they possibly think the Non-existent Government in Libya was capable for providing Security to our Diplomatic Assets.....Local Militias ??? Really ??...They ran.
Nice try....
P.S......Nothing happens in Congress without Harry Reid's say so.....since 2007....
She has given herself more than enough time to prepare for her testimony, to read the transcripts of those who testified before her and to be coached. Yes, she will lie but it will be "consistent" with what's been already said. God knows she has had enough time to memorize the Lord of the Rings.
when it takes the administration 4 months to find someone other than the us ambassador to un who didn't have anything to do with it to discuss the killing of our ambassador you know it's a democrat administration. no news here but i noticed that the cbo report released last friday saying that current spending levels are not sustainable got no coverage. let's see if hr 325 which raises the debt limit until may and requires congress to pass a budget will get any coverage. the republican house has to pass a bill to get the democrat senate to pass a budget. what?
The sole goal of this inquiry is to throw dirt on the President and any other democrat within range. Rubio and his fellow tea baggers care naught for truth otherwise they'd be holding hearings on what bush and company knew about the 9/11 attack on the WTC, April Glasbie's actions prior to the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait in 1990 or on the intentional attack by the Israeli air force on the U.S.S. Liberty in 1967.
Get real, these hearings have nothing to do with getting to the truth, republican's can't tell fact from fiction and really don't care about truth.
Thanks for another die hard flaming liberal distortion of the truth!
ask little ricky why our liberal run media didnt keep the benghazi disaster on the front burner for months - they would have if it happened under Bush. Guess they cant tell fact from fiction and liberals couldnt care less about the truth
Agree on the dog and pony show, lots of posturing, sound bites for the next election and self righteous indignation. I would find the Knitting Channel more interesting. As for the liberal media it is the flip side of Fox, everybody has their agenda.
To PC/KNOT: The liberal media didn't have to keep Benghazi on the front burner. Four lives sadly lost because tea baggers cut the budget for security is not a major happening when one considers the by one estimate over a million lives taken in the illegal invasion of Iraq.
And besides, Faux Noise kept in on the front burner for their troglodyte listeners.
The democrats were in charge not the republicans, maybe it was Bushs fault. You liberal morons really have a sickness, the more I listen to your rantings makes me believe that all liberals have a sickness of the mind. You do not care if people die in a democratic administrations, only if they die in a republican ones. If it's wrong for one it's wrong for the other. All administrations make mistakes and this was a big one by the Obama administration. But I am sure they will lie about this just like everything else, you liberal morons will buy it hook, line and sinker.
@Barry Sotero - YOU ARE THE MORON!
@ RICK, Thank you for putting out the truth. Some people are just to ignorant or stupid to see the truth. Never forget the U.S.S LIBERTY.
Barry......great posts and I couldn't agree more. Just look at Viriginia's response to your post, typical liberal stupidity at its finest. No logic, reasoning, or for that matter, anything intelligent to say, just insults and deflection. That's their MO.
80 years old - debilitating head injury - got a diplomat murdered - sounds like a winner for 2016.
We all know she is going to lie. The Clintons have always lied!!! The democrats lie in general.
BY the way, Biden is going to make a at president. Wasnt that cool while walking in the parade the other day how he ran over to shake Al Rookers hand!! I bet Al sharted and well see that on the news again.
Oh yea that's just SO cool. Like Biden would have run over to you and shook your hand. Oh I forgot, your not an employee of NBC.
I wouldnt shake that idiots hand anyway!!!
Isn't it time, the American people held our Government officials and Large Corpoations, accountable and responsible for their actions and inactions ? I can spend more time in jail for stealing a loaf of bread, than the people of Wall Street, who were responsible for the 2008 economic collapse. Not one single indictment.
I will forever hold Bill Clinton responsible for the tragedy on 9/11. And today he's applauded ?
AND the recent HSBC scandal. Almost 2 Billion in fines and no one held responsible and no indictments. More Corporate greed and more Politicians on the Corporate payroll.
You are all correct. However, until something drastic happens to remove those who have abducted the political power and high offices of this was once free country, this type of behaviour will only continue.
Consider this, though - The corporations were following the letter of the law, which is what keeps people out of jail. Who wrote the law? Liberals in Congress (both sides of the aisle) with their hands in the cookie jar.
Is it any wonder that unethical behavior is rewarded?
I'll never forgive Bill for pardoning March Rich and accepting funds from Marc's wife for Hillary's campaign.
That pardon caused a bunch of lawsuits for monies owed against Marc Rich to be tossed out as there no longer was a basis of wrong-doing thanks to the pardon.
The way I see it the Clinton's owe me some moolah. 7 digits worth in fact.
I have a dollar that says hilarys memory -due to her recent "injury" will put her testimoney into question - that is if she doesnt just claim out and out amnesia - there are NO depths too low that a clinton wont stoop to it
I remember William Casey, CIA director under reagan, suffering a cerebral hemorrhage and being rendered incapable of speech the morning he was scheduled to testify before congress on the Iran/Contra arms deal. He died shortly and never testified. Was there a conspiracy by the reagan administration to silence him? The entire Iran/Contra affair was a conspiracy so why would one little murder count.
Hence he died, so I think the idea of him faking it is disproved.
@Barry Sotero - "Hence He died" - More like he was murdered by Nancy Reagan's goons!
Virginia.....are you on crack???
Look at that face. She looks like she is ready to kiss her bosses ass and take the fall for his lack of leadership!
Don't give us a fairy tale. We want the truth. Not ANOTHER government lie. A proven pathologically lieing government. Can you trust ANYTHING they say after they've proven that they lie to thier own people time and time again?
Once a liar always a liar. You've had 2 months now at least to compare notes and get all your intel in order so that you can now lie to all of us again about the next lie about doing the most corrupt thing that is unthinkable to most Americans.
problem is - in the new obama american - the stupid masses have already had their attention diverted - benghazi is old stale news they had little interest in the first place . These dunces have more interest in the kardashians and what mooschele obama was wearing then the sacking of our embassy and the murder of our ambassador and 3 other americans - sad
@PC/SNOT, I mean PC/NOT - Yeah, sorta like the Bush II Regime! The Lying Dunce Cap and Cheney were pros at it!
interesting,since John Kerry released his GPA after he was defeated by Bush,it turned out Bush was a straight C student while Kerry's GPA made him a C-minus student.Dunce cap to the Dems.
Who in the world would believe a politician any way?
Well, it can be witch hunt or it can lead to how to improve or awaken a situation that went to sleep for many presidencies. This isn't just this time. It goes back to Reagan and before. So, we will see if there will be improvement or cover up and wait for the next time. The diplomate knew it was dangerous. Number one, he's as responsible as any of the others. Making sure that he as a representive has the security Did he do that? Was it rejected. He's in a hot area. The department knew there were problems, they were asleep at the wheel, not the first time. If they make it as a witch hunt nothing will change. if the are serious about improvment then we will see the suggestions. If it's a political drama for 2016 nothing will change, it will merely be a matter of time for the next incident. It takes courage to drop egos, expectations and be fair and just. Frankly, I don't see anyone on the committee doing that. But, we will see. I would like to hear what changes have been made in the Dept since the incident, if any. Otherwise, this hearing and Cllinton are doing their song and dance. People on this comment list looking to blame don't get it. To take responsibillity is the highest level, for it assumes that the person will correct an error. To blame is so good and evil trip, it has no place in improving, just punish. You'd think we were beyond the old biblical mentality. Guess we aren't.
jensee3 it is a witch hunt. Rubio knows as well as anyone that these facilities are subject to attacks especially in volatile areas of the world. What they should be looking into is why it happened instead of trying to place blame.
Rick 911527 wake up. When you know the embassy is vulnerable to an attack you protect it. The Ambassador requested that protection numerous times and was rejected. The Administration was good at pounding their chest and claiming Al Quaida was on the run and had to fabricate a lie. This is why we have an inquiry. You liberals are sick!!
Hey moronic RICK, answer me this, why did we have a platoon of marines protecting the embassy in FRANCE but no protection in the middle east. Come on I will wait for your pathetic answer, somehow I am sure you will say it was the republicans who wanted protection from the awful frenchmen.
@Barry Sotera - Why would anyone want to answer someone that is as PATHETIC as you? I will be waiting to hear YOUR answer to being PATHETIC!
VCG, what are you? 12?
Um, I'm sorry, what embassy was attacked again? oh, Benghazi? That was not an embassy. For the love of God and all that is holy. Quit it!!! do you guys realize how moronic you sound??? Some of you really need to pick up a book and read. Go to the library. Pay attention in class. Something.
...and the liberal attack is it's the Republicans fault for not approving money for security. This is the only process they know - blame it someone else. This women (term used lightly) lied and she knows it.
Roy, it was the repubs that cut the security budget. I know it's hard for you to comprehend it since it's a fact.
Rick, How can the republicans cut the security budget when a democrat is president and democrats control the senate? The budget cuts were not an issue here.
CKSM, you need a little schooling. All spending bills MUST come out of the House of Representatives, it's in the Constitution. The House of Representatives was controlled by the majority republican party when the security budget was passed.
Not they didn't Rick, and money wasn't the issue anyway.
Hey Rick, suggest you (along with Pigotry) revisit the vote. More Dems than GOP voted to cut the funding
Rick,
You need to quit working for the Democrats and spreading that fable. There was a contingent of Marines only minutes away who asked to help but was turned down by this Administration. Those are facts. Money was never the issue.
FactOfTheMatter
Does it matter? Once Syria falls to the rebels and Al Qaeda gains control, any NON sympathizer would be murdered if they don't support Al Qaeda.
More political theater, the senators mostly from her party will do a little dance
and kiss her popo. She will dance around the issue and We The People will be
lied to again, because we don’t Have A Need to Know. She screwed the pooch plain and simple but no one will ask that question. Two questions Hilary, are you Secratary of State, did you screw the pooch and did four men die?
Rick
the consitution hasn't meant anything for the last 4 years and will mean even less for the next 4 years.
The tale concerns a shepherd boy who repeatedly tricks nearby villagers into thinking a wolf is attacking his flock. When a wolf actually does appear, the villagers do not believe the boy's cries for help, and the flock is destroyed. The moral at the end of the story shows that this is how liars are not rewarded: even if they tell the truth, no one believes them."
Well, she's fallen and done everything she can so far to stay out of that seat. Can't wait to see what medical thing happens today with her!
im sure she has lost all memory of this situation now.
Well we all know clintons have absolutely no issue with lying under oath (best way to become a liberal hero), so this will be interesting.
But no matter the outcome, we all know one thign for sure, liberals dont care and will never hold their divine leaders accountable.
Have to wait and see what the end result is to this mess. Who ever needs it is going to get their political asses kicked. To what extent? Hard to say.
What about obama's job? Should it also be in question? Clinton did not act alone and should not be just another in a long line of people to take the fall for Obama.