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Vice President Joe Biden has barely hidden his possible interest in running for president in 2016, and now, the loquacious former senator has begun to lay the groundwork for a potential campaign to succeed President Barack Obama.
Delaware Attorney General Beau Biden shares his thoughts on whether his father will run for the presidency in 2016.
"In a couple years, I think he's going to take a hard look at it," Beau Biden, the vice president's son and the attorney general of Delaware, said on MSNBC. "I hope he does."
A potential Biden bid for the presidency will come as little surprise to observers of the vice president over the past few years; Biden has often dropped hints of his interest in running as Democrats' nominee in 2016, and has repeatedly refused to rule out running in 2016 when asked.
Biden further stoked speculation this inaugural weekend, when he stopped by the Iowa State Society's inaugural ball, and invited top New Hampshire Democrats to his formal swearing-in ceremony on Sunday. Both Iowa and New Hampshire traditionally host the first two nominating contests of a presidential cycle.
At the Iowa ball, he mistakenly referred to himself as president, before correcting himself. “I’m proud to be president of the United States,” he said before pausing to rephrase. “I’m proud to be vice president of the United States but I am prouder to be Barack Obama, President Barack Obama’s vice president.”
And on Monday, during the inaugural parade, he glad-handed his way down Pennsylvania Avenue. Biden waved and pointed at parade-goers on the sidelines, and even ran over to shake the hand of NBC’s Al Roker, positioned behind a security barricade.
Moments after speaking with President Obama, NBC's Al Roker gets an impromptu handshake from Vice President Biden along the inaugural parade route.
When he ran into a Republican voter in Florida during the closing days of the campaign, Biden cautioned the Obama administration's health reform law would be a chit in his column during the next presidential campaign. "After it's all over when your insurance rates go down, then you'll vote for me in 2016," he said, employing a quip that quickly drew attention for its electoral implications.
Biden has twice run for president before, in 1988 and 2008. And each time, his candidacy flamed out. In the '88 campaign, Biden withdrew before the first nominating contest following allegations that he had plagiarized portions of speeches.
Biden survived through the Iowa caucus in 2008, but ended his campaign following a fifth place finish in the contest. The then-Delaware senator committed some trademark gaffes during that campaign, too. Biden joked, for instance, about how "you cannot go to a 7-Eleven or a Dunkin' Donuts unless you have a slight Indian accent." He also memorably referred to Obama, his future boss, as "the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean."
But Biden, who served in the Senate from 1973 to 2009 and established himself as an expert on matters of foreign policy, now finds himself arguably at the apex of his political strength. Forty-one percent of Americans said they have a positive impression of the vice president in the most recent NBC News-Wall Street Journal poll, versus 37 percent who have a negative impression of Biden. Those aren't blockbuster numbers, but they're among Biden's best in the history of the poll.
But a successful run in 2016 would make Biden the nation’s oldest inaugurated president. He turns 74 in 2016, a year older than Ronald Reagan when he took the oath at his second inaugural.
Biden emerged during the 2012 Obama campaign as a key asset of the president's, stumping repeatedly in key blue collar corners of swing states like Ohio and Wisconsin. During those stops, the vice president offered some of the sharpest criticism of Republican nominee Mitt Romney's policies in a direct appeal to middle class voters.
Brian Snyder / Reuters
Vice President Joe Biden and his wife, Dr. Jill Biden, dance at the Commander-in-Chief's Ball in Washington, Jan. 21, 2013.
Biden acted as a key player during the president's first term on matters ranging from foreign policy to domestic. Biden was tasked with implementing the 2009 economic stimulus, and Obama asked him more recently to lead the task force that developed recommendations to curb instances of gun violence.
Obama has also repeatedly turned to Biden to lean on his long-standing relationships in the Senate to help forge deals with Republicans. When talks to avert the "fiscal cliff" reached an impasse late this past December, Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., reached out to Biden, who won some of the credit for the last-minute deal.
Still, Biden has also become a favorite target of conservatives during the last four years, not least of which because of his not-infrequent gaffes. Conservative media outlets enjoyed stoking speculation, for instance, that Obama might bump Biden off of the ticket in favor of Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton -- suggesting that Biden had become too big of a liability to the president's re-election campaign.
And indeed, there were moments during the 2012 campaign where Biden veered badly off script. When he expressed his personal support for same-sex marriage during a May 6 appearance on NBC's "Meet the Press," he preempted Obama's own anticipated endorsement of gay and lesbian marriage rights. Obama was forced to hastily follow in the footsteps of his vice president.
Biden also won the enmity of the Romney campaign when he told a predominantly African-American audience that the GOP ticket's economic policies would "put y'all back in chains."
But despite Biden's propensity to fall off-message on occasion, he still enjoys a champion in one key ally: Obama.
"One decision I know was absolutely correct -- absolutely spot on -- was my choice of vice president," Obama said Sunday at an inaugural reception. "I could not have a better partner than Joe Biden."
That's a line that Biden would no doubt love to feature in a campaign ad in just a few years. He might not be the only Democrat in the race -- many in the party hope that Clinton will seek the nomination again -- though the vice president's door to running is open than ever.
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Well at least having a total buffoon run for president will give the nation something to laugh about for a change.
Contrary to most of the recent field of GOP candidates - Joe Biden is respected and well liked on both sides of the aisle. And, like George W. Bush, you should appreciate that he can say things off the cuff on occasion that might raise an eyebrow or two.
See Justin's response below. hahahahaha
One candidate I know I am not voting for in 2016...
Now THAT would be a big fu##in' deal!
Might as well follow up one clown and failure with another clown and buffoon.
Camacho '16 !!!!!!
Rick-3416939.....where were you during the Republican Primaries and Campaign ? If they had just found one candidate who was not a complete clown they would have been celebrating this inauguration.
If they have the same kind of crew in primary next election, Biden will be a shoe in.
How did his wife ever wind up with a buffoon like that? He must have a big schlonz, that's it!
Hector "Macho" Camacho? He just died recently. Sorry.
I can see him right now sitting in the oval office with a biker chick on each leg just grinning.
"They gonna put yall back in chains."
Biden
Joe Biden as President in 2016 is a very real possibility. By then well over 50% of American households will be receiving some kind of monthly government check. Add to that an even more dumbed down population and he could be a shoe-in.
Sorry, but I am not on board with this. Hilliary - YES!
Hey there you go, him and Barry can spend the next four years campaigning, again.
Svenolafson, you're being awful optimistic aren't you?
yes,he's the right choice
Might as well put him right in there. The ignorant democrat voters still haven't seen the light. They need to hit rock bottom and Biden's the man.
You know Biden could be another first if he was elected in 2016. Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think a previous White House BUTLER has ever been elected President before?
....and the laughable Republican candidates are?
So far, the Democrats have:
Joe Biden - a man of limited intelligence
And an ex-First Lady.
OUCH.
Depending on what kind of a loser GOP comes up with, Biden might win easily.
Should be easy...the GOP has nothing BUT losers.
This assumes King Obama gives up the throne.
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I think the GOP will go for another Bush. Mainly because the last two have worked out so well. Two wars. $13 trillion in debt with no appreciable improvement in anyones bottom line ( unless you count the richest 1% - They got enormously rich) Destroyed education. Ruined military. Politicized SCOTUS. Divided country and Congress. Insurance, gasoline and food sky high. International image ruined for the next 25 years. Ruined economy .Etc. Etc.. You can thank the Bush's for a LOT of misery and death. Yeah, we need another one! Maybe he can blame everything on Obama, just like all the other Republicants.
This is probably the most hilarious idea of having Joe Biden as President. I wonder if he also thinks it is as funny as I do? Yep I can see his laughing smiling face.
Gotta love it......."King Obama"......don't the birthers ever quit?
Well, one thing for sure, he'd be a step in the right direction, assuming we still have anything that resembles the United States in 4 years. Biden's a mean man with a smile. Obama is just a mean, angry man. Well, come to think of it, maybe not much difference after all.
The GOP will lead with Allen West and Jan Brewer as VP....... America's worst.
better would be to elect a car salesman- a used car salesman
Is that the same Hillary that allowed, four Americans to be massacred in Benghazi ?
Never mind.
There have been a couple of comments about biden being a "shoe in":
“Add to that an even more dumbed down population and he could be a shoe-in.” & “If they have the same kind of crew in primary next election, Biden will be a shoe in.”
I would agree if they're talking about "shoe in mouth". I think hussein keeps him around to make the lord & savior look good!
@Kingfish, it's okay.....Bush had over 50 embassy workers die during his term.
Bidens nothing but a big mouth, anyone who saw the VP debates knows Biden is all mouth and absolutely no substance, but what the hell most liberals are.
No demorat ran against obama this last round, and now they will come out of the woodwork as they speak out against obama's agenda's seeking leverage for their quest. Should biden run they may all crawl back into the woodwork giving Republicans a major victory. hillary is just unelectable.
i like grilled cheese sandwiches
Biden, yes, that would be a joke alright. Americans have lost it even thinking of this loser who is dumber than Dumbama. Besides, he is really fighting the loss of brain and intelligentsia. Ever listen to the crap that comes from his mouth. What an uncouth idiot.
I'd put Biden against anything the Republicans have had to offer for the last 20 years. He would and possibly will mop the floor with them. Whiz kid Ryan was certainly no challenge for him. President Joe Biden. I like the sound of that.
Eric, how many of them were American let alone a US Ambassador? Also, how many times did President Bush blame a video for any of the deaths on his watch?
I would be one of the first in line to vote for Joe Biden for President of the united states of America, he is proven leader for a better nation !!!
The very fact Biden is considering running for the office of POTUS, disqualifies him unless he happened to be the lone survivor after the Obama zombie apocalypse. The guy is a total, unmitigated pompous buffoon, too stupid to even know how stupid he is.
seaskip, I seriously think you libs get an unlimited supply of hallucinogens from our current government.
God could run for president and republicans would whine and cry........
The clowns the republicon party put out were completely against the middle class....yet that 1% made rt wingers think they had everything in common with them and convinced them to vote against themselves....DOH! As if you rt winger middle class people hid your money in offshore accounts like Romney and the other 1%.......Romney and Queen Ann make one trip to Costco trying to look like middle class people and the rt wing middle class believed the photo ops.......DOH!
Then Rt wing middle class come on the blog as if they understand politics....DOH!
Republicon middle class.....The Vote against your self interest party...DOH!
It would make cartoonists insanely happpy. THe guy is a living, breathing caricature.
Yes Biden in 16...and why not 20 too?
That way we can continue to kick the can down the road for more than a decade.
(For all of those making negative comments about Biden, please take into consideration he had a mild stroke. He is medically certified brained damaged. Not nice to make fun of challenged people.)
With some of the comments on here it explains the liberals mentality and why Obama was elected. Not hard to believe they are all on board for Joe. The man with down syndrome or to politically correct, the man with a learning disability.
Ozzie, oh you're so right... I guess you completely forgot about George W Bush blaming 9-11 on Iraq and then sending several thousand troops to their deaths over that lie?
I think Joe would do a heck of a good job - but his gaffes could cause him problems. I'm sure that Joe doesn't want to hear this - but he could be the first vice president to serve for 16 years continuously! That would be pretty incredible, and if he is used as much in a second presidency as he has been in the first, his accomplishments might be greater than some presidents.
BTW....the low information writer of the article has nothing to write about because he was too busy not being busy!
If Joe was President..... he'd laugh & smile like Nero..... as the nation burned around his ears
The problem, is he really that stupid or does he just use it for his own good?
If GOP loses to Biden they should all commit a mass suicide out of total shame and inconsolable grief.
It'll be hard to campaign with two feet in his mouth.
All of this and I mean ALL of this is meaningless dribble !!! VP Jo WILL NOT FINISH his term as VP... He for any number of reasons WAS and IS King Bo's choice in 2008 because of "his incredible experience, particularly in matters of foreign diplomacy" GULP !!! VP JO will never be POTUS because he is too busy "just being Jo".
That said I don't know why, or when he will "step down" as VP..health, personal matters etc. etc. BUT someone else will be named Progressive Leader 2016 AND JO AIN"T IT. Who it is will be determined by the ever changing, shifting political winds AND POLLS !!!!!! Maybe Hilly, but more than likely someone who is in 2016 "crowned" by the DEMS as King Bo's "Prince" or more than likely "PRINCESS" !!!! IT WILL BE SOMEONE ELSE.......BET YOUR HOUSE ON IT , YOU'LL GET GOOD ODDS AND IT IS A LOCK.
@alan - I was referring to Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho. I want to see him win in 2016!
@Ozzie, I stand corrected there were 64 embassy deaths during Bush.
Please don't forget:
"The Washington Post points out that under the Ryan Plan that House Republicans unanimously … funding for the State Department would have been cut by 20% HERE:
Ryan, Issa and other House Republicans voted for an amendment in 2009 to cut $1.2 billion from State operations, including funds for 300 more diplomatic security positions. Under Ryan’s budget, non-defense discretionary spending, which includes State Department funding, would be slashed nearly 20 percent in 2014, which would translate to more than $400 million in additional cuts to embassy security."
If you cut security and get less security things like this happen.
PRober, He blamed 911 on Al Queda we attacked Afganastan. We attacked Iraq because of the threat of weapons of mass destruction. Get it right will ya? BTW Congress authorized the use of force for both and plenty of Dems were on record for voting for the resolution.
Don't foreget it was Slip and Fall Hillary that started the birther thing too. lol
Haliburton Joe in 2016.???
He'll will run against Owebama.!!
H.J res. 15
Again Eric how many were US citizens let alone US Ambassadors and how many were blamed on a video? What does a Budget cut have to do with willfully denying any and all available help from being sent?
...and the GOP will come with the same crap in four years to make this guy look reasonable; what a joke.
After 16 years of incompetentance, it would be nice if they weren't incompetent for a change and would actually lead.
It's funny to listen to all you Republicans talk about Joe Biden. You call him a clown, a buffoon, one name after another. But one thing he's been doing consistently for almost 40 years is BEATING REPUBLICANS in elections.
And after the candidates you had running last time around --- Bachmann, Pizza Man, Perry, Romney, etc. -- I'd kind of watch calling other people clowns or buffoons. You didn't exactly field a collections of Einsteins.
2016 to 2020? Bite-Me? Hahaahha - He's already senile. By 2016 or sooner, he'll be messing in his pants!
Biden - harmless buffon - is always perfect....for that second spot on the presidential ticket.
When McCain ran for President, everyone said he was too old to be elected (among other reasons too of course). If that is a criteria, than Biden would have to be in that same boat.
He's too old. So is Hillary.
Biden is highly intelligent, capable, respected in Congress... but he'll also get his ass kicked.... if Clinton doesn't run, they will be in trouble
This is one of the funniest threads I've seen here for awhile. He seems like a pretty decent dude, but seeing him called bobble-headed buffoon is just hilarious. I prefer to think of him as more of a used car salesman type.
Hey Eric you forgot that more democrats voted for it than republicans.
just because you cut cost doesn't mean you cut security where it is needed why does the ambassador in France need a marine detachment ?
As a GOP who thinks liberals are the biggest hypocrites on the planet, this is great news. Even the uneducated, ignorant Democratic base think Biden is a buffoon. Obama is a novelty act put in office by ignorant people who wanted to be part of history; but Biden is just an embarrassing fool.
From the view in the cheap seats... it didn't really matter who won in 2012 (Rep or Dem), and it won't make any difference in 2016. Spending isn't going to drop by any appreciable amount (I'm sure it will continue to increase), the national debt isn't going anywhere but up, our schools will continue churning out more McDonald's employees every year, and the only monetary program Congress will continue to pass without delay will be their own pay raises.
Given the amount of debt piling up in the private sector from credit cards to home forclosures, and the fact our elected officials have proven themselves incapable of developing any government policy even remotely capable of delivering a free market and restoring financial solvency, I'm pretty excited. There's going to be even more opportunity for those capable of making and saving a buck, especially if you're able to take advantage of the failures of others. Sounds a bit crass I know... but when opportunity knocks...
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!
JOE "BITE ME" BIDEN?
Really? For president?
Priceless!
This walking, talking gaffe-machine buffoon would scare Karl Marx out of the Democrat party.
Poor Joe doesn't even know what state he's in most of the time.
All this gun control stuff pretty much guarantees a 2016 victory for the republicans.
That will not stop the democrats from voting for him, though.
Rand Paul will be elected in 2016...
So, if you are on public assistance of some kind you might want to do something to better yourself, the free ride is coming to an end very soon.
I like Biden. He's actually rather intelligent (when he doesn't stick his foot in his mouth).
It's, however, Hillary's time.
Joseph Robinette Biden!
ROTFLMAO!!!!
Who the hell gives their son a middle name like "Robinette"?
Disqualified!
Hillary has zero chance of winning. She will get dragged through the coals with her involvement with Whitewater and cover up of Benghazi. Of course she or any democrat will get the entitlement vote, but some with half a brain won't go for Hillary or Joe.
The Communist regime in china are well known for their
brutality and cruelty against mankind and would not hesitate to prosecute and
torture anyone to death in secret jail who just posted negative comments about
china on the internet to achieve their political motives so no one can uncover
the abuses and violations of human rights in china to the world. For example because
internet police from china managed to trace the ip address of the NGO malaysian
bloggers who posted negative comments about china on the internet,this prompted
the communist regime in china to deploy massive amount of communist officers
and even police chief to malaysia to cooperate with the malaysia government to
enact new cyber law 114A to prosecute those NGO malaysian bloggers who posted
negative comments about china on the internet and to torture these NGO
malaysian bloggers to death in secret jail elsewhere in malaysia by the
malaysia government which is masterminded by the communist regime in china in
order to achieve their political motives to purge and assassinate anyone who
posted negative comments about china on the internet. Just because these NGO
malaysian bloggers who posted negative comments regarding abuses of human
rights in china on the internet,these NGO malaysian bloggers now faced life
threatening dangers of being prosecuted and torture to death in secret jail elsewhere
in malaysia by the malaysia government which is masterminded by the communist
regime in china. I don’t know how much benefits do the communist regime in china
have given to the malaysia government until they willing to enact such cyber
law 114A in order to prosecute and torture these NGO malaysian bloggers to
death in secret jail in malaysia which is masterminded by the communist regime
in china. Because the new cyber law 114A which is enacted by the malaysia
government still in place,so the malaysia government is secretly launching their
investigation to prosecute those NGO malaysian bloggers who posted negative
comments about china on the internet and to torture these NGO bloggers to death
in secret jail elsewhere in malaysia by the malaysia government which is
masterminded by the communist regime in china to achieve their political
motives of purging and assassinate anyone who posted negative comments about
china so no one can uncover the abuses and violations of human rights in china
to the world. Under the newly enacted cyber law 114A by the malaysia government
which is masterminded by the communist regime in china,not only freedom of
speech is a crime now in malaysia,but any NGO malaysian bloggers who caught of
posting any negative comments about china on the internet will be prosecuted
and be torture to death in secret jail by the malaysian government with the
help from communist regime in china. One thing for sure is that malaysia
government now has become the new puppet state of china where communist regime
in china deployed massive amount of communist officers and even police chief to
malaysia everyday to cooperate with the malaysia government to crack down their
NGO malaysian bloggers who just posted negative comments regarding abuses of
human rights in china on the internet. Since United States is the largerst
foreign investor to malaysia,US must use its economic clout to press the
malaysia government not to cooperate with the communist regime in china against
their NGO malaysian bloggers who just expressed their opinions on the internet because
freedom of speech is not a crime. United states also need to press the malaysia
government to abolish this newly enacted cyber law 114A which is masterminded by the communist regime
in china because it is a serious violations of human rights to prosecute and
torture these NGO malaysian bloggers who just express their opinions on
internet to death in secret jail elsewhere in malaysia by the malaysia
government which is masterminded by the communist regime in china. If united
states don’t act now,more and more countries to follow the path of the malaysia
government to enact cyber law similar to 114A to prosecute and torture any NGO
bloggers who posted negative comments about china on the internet to death in
secret jail which is masterminded by the communist regime in china to achieve
their political motives to purge and assassinate anyone who posted negative comments
about china on the internet to achieve their political motives so no one can
uncover the abuses and violations of human rights in china to the world.
Freedom of speech and human rights will become history due to the bad
influences from communist states like china on countries around the world such
as malaysia. Dictatorship and restrictions of speech will become new global
trend on countries around the world due to the bad influences from communist
state like china.
Those people who promotes dictatorship,brutality and cruelty
against mankind,abuses of human rights,censorship on the media & internet,
prosecute and torture NGO bloggers to death in secret jail like the Red army
and communist regime in china are the bad guys. Those people who advocates democracy
and human rights like the taiwan people and the chinese dissidents Nobel Peace
price winner Liu Xiao bo who is still in jail are the good guys. Mr.Xi who is
the new president of the communist regime in china ever told the media that he
like to watch Hollywood movies and he often noticed that good guys always wins
in the end. Yes,he’s right,his communist regime in china is going to fall very
soon. President obama is just like the “Green lantern” in the hollywood movie
where no evil shall escape his sight. Obama sensed the urgent needs to suppress
the communist forces led by china from dominating the world,that’s why he
masterminded his new strategy “US pivot towards asia” which received warm
welcome by all the democratic asian countries in the region. The asian countries
that borders china such as Burma,Vietnam,cambodia are either military backed
government or autotharian regime. You can see how bad influences communist
state like china has exerted on its neigbours countries. Communist regime in
china even extend their bad influences to countries like malaysia where the
malaysia government cooperated with the communist regime in china to enact new
cyber law 114A to prosecute and torture those NGO malaysian bloggers who just
posted their negative comments about china on the internet to death in secret
jail elsewhere in malaysia by the malaysia government which is masterminded by
the communist regime in china to achieve their political motives of cracking
down anyone who posted negative comments about china on the internet so no one
can uncover the abuses and violations of human rights in china to the world.
Malaysia government now has become the new puppet state of china where
communist regime in china deployed massive amount of communist officers and
even police chief to malaysia to cooperate with the malaysia government to
purge and torture their NGO malaysian bloggers who posted negative comments
about china on the internet to death in secret jail in Malaysia which is masterminded
by the communist regime in china. Since US is the largest foreign investor to
malaysia,US must use its economic clout to press the malaysia government to
abolish this new cyber law 114A enacted by the malaysia government because it
is a serious violations of human rights to prosecute and torture those NGO
malaysian bloggers who just express their opinions on the internet to death in
secret jail in malaysia by the malaysia government which is masterminded by
communist regime in china so no one can uncover the abuses and violations of
human rights in china to the world.
The strong points of the Red army in china is that they
have a very strong ground troops where they have a total 1.7 milion strong
ground forces,but the Red army in china are much much weaker in Naval and air
power. That’s why the Red army in china still unable to take by Taiwan by
forces during the chinese civil war in china in the 20th century
because the taiwan straits serves as a garrison to hold back the Red army in
mainland china from launching military invasion on taiwan. President obama is
just like the “Green lantern” in the Hollywood movie where no evil shall escape
his sight. Obama sensed the weak points and the intention of the Red army in
china to retake Taiwan by military forces,that’s why he masterminded his new
strategy “Air-Sea battle concept” which serves as a deterrence to the Red army
in china from launching military invasion on taiwan and its neighbours
countries who have maritime disputes with china in the south Asia sea because
Red army in china is very strong in ground forces but relatively much much
weaker in naval and air forces. If not because of the taiwan straits which serve
as the garrison that separates the mainland china and taiwan, probably taiwan
already fallen in the hands of the communists during the chinese civil war in
china in the 20th century.
I'm not a Hilliary fan, but she will chew this baffoon up and spit him out. What a dork.
As if the nomination of George W. and Mitt Rmoney were not shameful enough... they should all engage in seppuku out of respect for the nation for all the harm they've done so far.
Both Bush and Romney are twice the person Biden is.
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You've got THAT right - Hillarity REMAINS totally unelectable, and her 'Clinton entitlement' claims only make it worse. Just how divisive her candidacy can be was amply displayed during the 2008 primary.
Hilary would smoke this clown 2 to 1 easy. Probably more. Dems look at his running as the R's would have if Quayle would have run. His only shot would be to break out his debate "smile" and hoped it hypnotized everyone.
Joe 'Advanced Alzheimer's' Biden as president? NOW THAT'S HILLARIOUS!!!!! ROTFLMAO!!!!
The only thing I think would be worse than 8 years of Obama destroying the country would be letting Biden try too. Biden is proof positive of the low intelligence level of the Democratic voter. When they look up to him and call him "respected," that is very, very scary. (The dumbing down of the Public School system has been incredibly successful......)
All the gop has to do is what the dems did in 08 start running people of
color so that the uneducated blacks and latinos no longer control the
presidential vote The dems knew that hillary could not win so they got a black
man in to gain the votes of all those who HAD NEVER EVER VOTED BEFORE with the
help of acorn and george soros who financed (1.5 billion dolars) to gain the
over the top vote. In 2008 there were over 8 million new voters and most were
only voting because of color.IF OBAMA HAD OF BEEN A YOUNG WHITE SENATOR HE
NEVER WOULD HAVE BEEN ELECTED TO START WITH HE HAD NO CREDENTIALS.
I would love to see VP Biden run in 2016 (although I don't think he really will) and it would be great to have a young strong running mate for his VP.
Joe Biden has a solid record in politics and has been an honored statesman for forty years.
Love the guy!
(And what is all this talk about his age? Sounds like a bunch of juveniles posting here. My mother-in-law is 86 years old and plays tennis three times a week. She has a strong tennis arm and could probably arm wrestle most of the weenies in this forum and win!)
Got to love how liberals are already concerned with 2016 when the nation has yet to survive Obama. The second term of Obama is when the American people learn they should have called ObamaCare the unaffordable care act. We are going to see massive tax increases, and no they will certainly not just impact the top earners. Gas and heating oil will continue to rise as an unstable Middle East brings uncertainty to the market. Although Obama did state that under his plan energy prices would naturally skyrocket so maybe liberals find this a good thing. Now Obama says it is time for Cap and Trade, which you know makes Al Gore happy but that will only mean every American will pay more both in taxes and the cost of almost everything. The value of the dollar is going to continue to decline as our massive debt will just lead to more printing as those willing to borrow shrink in numbers. Of course declines in our dollar can only mean inflation is right around the corner. Funny how giddy liberals are about 2016, when there are 4 long years in between that could prove disastrous. This country might really need Middle Class Joe Biden running for president in 2016, just so we all have something to laugh about. I wouldn't put it past Biden to come out say look at the mess the previous administration left for me to clean up.
Hell why not run? As long as their's a D next to his name there are millions of "low information voters" who will vote for him. I do think Hillary will kick his you know what if she runs. But you never know after what we have now. Anything is possible.
“Biden not shying away from 2016 speculation”
I can’t wait, 2016 is shaping up to be an interesting year with VP Biden “stumbling” for the vote. With all respect, by 2016 he’ll be lucky to remember his name let alone where the White House is. Forty years in politics have certainly left their mark!
Has anyone ever told Joe that he is the VP of the U.S.? That's a cruel joke if they haven't.
The libs and dems would vote for a buffoon like that who only knows one word: malarkey. That's all he could say during the vp debate. I'd rather vote for Chuck Norris if he were a candidate, no matter what party he affiliated with. He's better on his worst days than the two in DC put together on their best days.
NOW is the time for third party candidates. I'd vote for anyone who'd repeal the patriot act and restore the constitution to it's pre 9-11-2001 condition. Constantly being given the choice of the lesser of two evils is no choice at all.We are being herded down a road with no off ramps.
"She will get dragged through the coals with her involvement with Whitewater and cover up of Benghazi."
Were you alive in the 90s Jack??? Republicans spent something like 100 million investigating Whitewater and the only thing they found out was Bill got a hummer and lied about it. As for Benghazi, that's a huge deal on right wing radio but that's where it stops. Remember -- Republican have LOST every single time they went up against a Clinton for the last 21 years.
Please let this be true.
I'm not saying it would be an easy win for the Republicans when the democrats continue to pad their voting base with parasites sucking on the government's hind-tit, and then bus their fat, lazy a$$es to the voting booths since they know they'd never make it there on their own initiative (which is non-existent), but we'd sure as heck have a decent shot.
Please run, Biden, you crass, obnoxious, blubbering, anti-American fool!
They tried that too with the Pizza Man. Seems he couldn't keep his mouth shut or hands off the ladies and proved to be too scandalous for even the GOP.
Given a choice between the two parties, I would take into account who controls what house and change my vote to insure gridlock. I think I'd rather see them do nothing than have either side advance their agenda.
It is sad and amusing, though somewhat predictable, to see so many hate-filled and mocking insults to Vice President Biden, a statesman who has an exemplary political career and has served his country honorably for over forty years in the public eye.
My guess is that the ones here that are foaming at the mouth the most, are the ones that have never done one decent thing for their country, their state, or even their own small community, in their entire mediocre lives.
"I could not have a better partner than Joe Biden. Hell, he even makes me look good." lol
Charlie 191........and I would add that Biden owned Ryan in their debate.
Also you forgot to mention Trump the Chump who actually, was the Republican front runner for a bit.
That's worth repeating - the Republican FRONT RUNNER Donald Trump!
Well Joe, it'd be fun to have a bonafide buffoon run for the Dems in 2016, but it's too late; the adoring media turds are already planning Hillary's coronation....no election is even necessary!
Boy...that's gonna piss the Hillary people off big time. It's bad enough that she had to take a back seat to Obama for 8 years, now to be kicked in the head for a bumbling idiot has got have her supporters in a big panty twist...
Joe Biden is a national punchline. If we would elect him president, then there truly is no hope left for this country.
Jim Spence - Maybe Republicans decide how to vote based on middle names but the majority of us don't. In case you haven't caught it the country just RE-ELECTED a guy with a funny middle name.
Add that to the fact that Biden destroyed Ryan in their debate makes me think he can easily beat the best the Republicans can offer.
Then you need to re-watch that debate, Theo, because the only thing Biden destroyed was the tiny shred of credibility and respect that he might have had left entering that debate.
He has the maturity level of an eighth-grader and the disposition of a rabid badger. Yeah, that's who who need running the country.
Drink some more Kool-Aid.
Silverton said: "My guess is that the ones here that are foaming at the mouth the most, are the ones that have never done one decent thing for their country, their state, or even their own small community, in their entire mediocre lives."
I don't know if I'm exactly "foaming at the mouth", Silverton, but liberals do disgust me, yet I spent over a decade serving my country in the Marine Corps (so much for your lack-of-civil-duty theory, huh?).
What have you done besides help coordinate your local gay pride parade?
Theo,
"funny"?? You mean Muslim??
At least we know more about Biden than Obama.....he is pretty much an open book.....er....ah...more of the funny pages in the Sunday newspapers. Does this guy need help eating oatmeal? Makes Quayle look like a college professor!
I will agree with one thing, he did fine against Ryan, although he seemed a bit punch drunk. By the time the election rolls around we will see, but Hillary is definitely smarter, and like Biden, puts her pants suit legs on one at a time.
By the way, what hayseed names their kid "Beau"????? Might as well be Bubba.
I love Joe Biden. I think he's letting all the Democrats know he intends to run so that no one contests him in the primaries.
But there's one thing about Joe Biden, there's 100% chance he will say something to piss off a whole bunch of people all at the same time.
Chris Christie will literally eat Biden in 2016...
How elitist. You assume that just because people vote DNC they are of a lower intellectual capacity than you? Could you then please explain the little gem that for example professors tend to be more liberal? Or say maybe people like Buffett who I am pretty sure has a greater net worth than you (or everyone commenting here combined for that matter).
Or are you simply equating those who get something from the Federal Govt in the way of financial support as being less intelligent and more likely to vote DNC? If so exactly what is the difference between that and selfish wealthy people supporting a GOP candidate who represents THEIR best interest in not wanting to get rid of certain tax breaks (e.g. ridiculously low Capital Gains tax rates)? Are the votes of poorer people somehow less meaningful because they disagree with your personal stance?
Personally I didn't vote DNC but to be brutally honest I think there are an equal number of dunces voting for both sides. And an equal number of people of dubious knowledge running for both parties. As someone commented above, maybe if we get lucky enough a viable 3rd party candidate will appear.
JK 1963 - Oh please! You can't do better than that?
Chris Christie - are you kidding? But he's reasonable and reasoning. That means there's no way he'll be the Republican nominee unless what remains of the thinking branch of the GOP regains control of their party and it sure doesn't look like that's likely to happen anytime soon, if ever.
Patience...grasshopper. One will only have to wait a short time until the locust's eat all the grasses and expose the snakes in the field.
Then we can easily identify those that are poisonous. Time is our friend as time will expose the truth.
Speaking of buffoons, Bachmann-Paul/2016! Perry-Santorum/2016! Caine-Gingrich/2016.
carryconcealed,
I suppose you have forgotten that you and I have had this conversation before in another thread, and came to understand that we actually fell closer in step with our beliefs that one might think.
I don't actually think Joe Biden will run in 2016, but I would be supportive of him if he chose to do so and picked a good running mate. Who knows, it could be Chris Christie. He may be jumping from the GOP ship soon.
Joe Biden a "SHOE-IN" ??? LOL !! Which side of his mouth will the shoe be in ?
Will he be up to his ankles while the U.S. is up to its eyeballs in debt ??????????
Poor Uncle Joe he means well... But not for President. If Christie survives his weight, I would probably vote for him. But seriously I cannot think of another Republican I would consider. Hillary yes, but I am waiting to see the outcome of the Inquisition on Benghazi. Plenty of time, I am still on a high from the last Election!
The same people that gave us Howdy Doody on ecstacy and Uncle Darth Vader for 8 years dare mock Joe Biden? The same people that gave us the greatest clown show ever( called the 2012 Republican Primaries) dare call any Democrat a buffoon? Is it any wonder they deny evolution? They're still hanging out in banana trees using one hand to scratch their butts and the other to play with their toes.
Theo, are you f***king kidding me? Biden owned Ryan in the VP debate?! What were you watching? The Itchy and Scratchy Show?
You're assuming that there will be anything left to vote for. I'm certainly not optimistic.
TO: blubal42 who wrote:
It wasn't just "liberals" that voted for President Obama, there were a whole lot of Republicans who voted for him too.
Well, as I recall, the highlight of the VP debate was when Joe Biden reminded Paul Ryan that he twice requested and thanked Biden for giving Ryan's state of Wisconsin some of the stimulus money, even though Ryan continually called it the "failed" stimulus package.
LOL
I am sure if the gop lines up another clown car full of circus freaks like they did in their last primary it would be an automatic win again for the Democrats no matter who ran. lol
long has people look no further than the two corporately controlled party politicians...it's not gon'a change much...
Ok Theo,
Care to discuss the origins of Hussein? (besides being just a "funny" name to you..) Geez...
American,
Think again...in fact, the Demcrats have lost alot of the support that they enjoyed in 2008. That "fan" base has now defected to being independents. The Democrats should be very worried in 2016. I say let Biden run...it would be a gift to the Republicans (or God willing...) would finally open the door to an independent candidate running for office...
LOL.....LOL.....LOL
Rubber duckies for all Amricans.
Although I like and respect Mr. Biden, I think his age (much as I hate to use that as a criteria) and somewhat overly-folksy style might be a double whammy.
I cite both in regard to President Reagan, which he was able to use the latter to overcome the former. I don't know if Mr. Biden could do so, despite his being more qualified than President Reagan was for the office, vis-a-vis Mr. Biden's public service knowledge and experience both being greater than was President Reagan's were at the time he became president.
But more to the point, riding the coattails of a popular incumbent isn't enough to make you the best choice the party has to offer as presidential material.
I again cite the Reagan presidency and what followed: President George H.W. Bush. Had he not run against Mr. Dukakis, while riding on the Reagan popularity, his election may arguably not have been possible.
I like Joe Biden, but NOT for President.
Let's see. Some people that were for Romney/Ryan are calling Biden a buffoon. How stinking hilarious.
This guy cant chew bubble gum and walk at the same time. And you want him for president? Sounds about right.
Probably won't matter. If the American public sees Biden as a continuation of the Obama "Federal government as Santa Claus" policies, he is electable. That's the ONLY thing he has going for him, but it may be all he needs.
Silverton: I do remember, but when you imply that anyone who doesn't agree with the vile liberal platform is foaming at the mouth and has never done a thing for their country, that's where we part ways.
When you consider that the majority of military personnel are Republicans and, by default, are serving their country, it's a pretty baseless statement, don't you think?
Yep, he parrots everything I tell him to say without using a teleprompter.
Yeah, that George W. Bush was a barrel of laughs...
EE,
At least he was a president instead of a wanna-be president like bumbling biden... That man couldn't fight his way out of paper bag... I honestly believe Obama keeps him around for laughs...like a court jester..."here Joe...do something funny again for my guests!"
OBAMA the Yellowbelly banned, re-reg.
carryingconcealed,
I did not "imply" that anyone who doesn't agree with the vile-liberal platform is foaming at the mouth.
My words were "My guess is that the ones here that are foaming at the mouth the most, are the ones that have never done one decent thing for their country, their state, or even their own small community, in their entire mediocre lives."
Doesn't include everyone. Just those that are foaming at the mouth the most. And I imagine I am right.
There is a whole generation of people like my father and mother (now in their 80's, who both served in the Air Force, that are Democrats and also own guns. They hope for stricter gun laws too and have voiced their opinions in favor of it for years now. My mother and sister both marched in the Million Mom March in 2000 in Washington, D.C.
It might behoove those who see blood everytime someone mentioned gun control that the vile liberal party you dislike so much also has decent men and women who own guns and want reasonable gun laws too.
Tell that to "Tricky Dick" Nixon!
It is no secret why Republicans hate Joe Biden.
Sally ever ban or punish liberals?
How 'bout Biden-Beyonce in 2016? Unless our current El Presidente-for-Life wants to run for a third term, like they are bandying about, in violation of the 22nd Amendment. (Constitution--WHAT CONSTITUTION???)
Maybe Hillary can have them ALL rubbed out so SHE can run. ("Suicides" of Vince Foster, DC Madame anyone? The alleged natural or accidental deaths of Breitbart, Sherriff Dever anyone?) I LOVE politics, the Machiavellian way...
I don't believe he's electable, and he'll bow out if Hillary announces. I'd like to see Hillary with Corey Booker as V.P.
Hillary vs. Christie.........my prediction.
It's okay to run Joe, but I don't think you'll make it out of the primaries.
i agree, hillary will be a great president for 8 years. going to be a long time before the cons ever see a repub in there again. people will always remember what W did to destroy this country. like it or not.
It is probably a sure bet that the Bidens will not be accepting any dinner invitations from the Clinton's between now and then unless Dr. Biden is allowed to take a chemistry set to test the food.
I personally think it will be nearly impossible for old uncle Joe to actually get elected. 1) he is old 2) he is white and 3) he is a he with a she spouse and unless Barney Frank jumps out of old uncle Joe's closet he will still be seen as the enemy.
I suppose the biggest insult the Democratic Party could offer the Clintons would be for Old Uncle Joe or John Kerry to run for President in 2012. It seems that Barack is setting the stage for a battle royal between the three. He is still dividing the American People it just seems that now it is much closer to home.
I agree, I love Biden, but his time for pres has passed, and I am all for Hillary in 2016.
Vote for Christie over Hillary any day
Thanks for showing you're a low information voter
Well at least having a total buffoon run for president will give the nation something to laugh about for a change.
Are Gingrich, Bachmann, Santorum, Cain, Perry and Mittens running again? That was hilarious... :)
"people will always remember what W did to destroy this country. like it or not."
The sad part is he was a RINO. It's too bad he didn't run as what he is, a spend, spend, spend Democrat.
Just remember W was elected twice. That means the Democrats couldn't come up with anyone to run successfully against W of all people. No reason to believe the Dems can't repeat that performance, just like the Republicans did the last two rounds.
So, you Democrats are now promoting Hillary? Seems like you spent 2008 bad mouthing her, telling us how unqualified she is and how she and Bill are just big jokes (this, btw, is the biggest reason why I left the Democratic Party and became an Independent). Now she's the best thing since sliced bread? What hypocrites you are!
Stop being the Affirmative Action Party and go back to being the party that backed the best person for the job. Maybe I'll take you...and whomever you choose to run in 2016...seriously again.
No more hypocritical than you guys nominating Romney after all of his runs at President.
Obama's election as President had nothing to do with affirmative action.
Sure, everybody can run for president...
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but I thought it's Hillary't turn, finally.
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Can We The Girls ever get a fair shake of anything?
Yes, i can't wait for Hillary to have to explain, in great detail her affiliation with Whitewater. The liberal biased media won't mention it once, but she won't be able to hide from that or Benghazi.
Biden should save his and his donor's money. He's made a fool of himself too many times for the voters to give him the respect he will need to be elected.
The only Clinton I'd vote for would be Bill; seeing as how that can't happen, if Hilary were to be nominated and win I would hope that Bill would be running things in the background.
Biden will shoot himself in the foot with a comment that goes something like this, just look at the mess of the past 8 years that I am going to have to clean up.
As an independent, I really don't think the cure to the ills of the Bush dynasty is a Clinton dynasty. Hillary Clinton comes across almost as phony as Mitt Romney did. If Joe Biden is faking his sincerity, at least he does it well.
I would say Hillary is the person to beat at this point. For the Rep. to have a shot they need to find a candidate who can BS with the best of them. Give money out hand over fist. Talk about taxing the hell out of the rich. Talk about going after those evil corps.. Be pro abortion, pro gay marriage, pro gays in the military, pro open borders & maybe even a pro basketball player. Their other choice is to tell the truth about what needs to be done to get our ass out of this bind we're in. On second thought I think they would get laughed at if they tried that. It has been proved that being honest about our situation does not work. Go the BS way or loose again.
How about these comments: "the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean." Biden joked, for instance, about how "you cannot go to a 7-Eleven or a Dunkin' Donuts unless you have a slight Indian accent." I wonder what he meant by those comments. Does he think black people are dirty and does he think only Indians own 7-11's? He must think Collin Powell is stupid. I think he should make a career change and become a stand up comedian. Maybe go on SNL. Too bad In Living Color isnt on anymore, he'd be awesome on that show. Then he can say all the stupid stuff his heart desires.
Oh that would be the icing on the cake - go for it libs.
Pedestrian in SF - Don't forget Trump!
Hillary against Christy.....in the democratic primary. Wait and see. Battle of the cankles!
I can see the new ad campaign now "2016 Bonehead Biden for President...why the f--- not?" Another page in possible history we don't want to see.
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Pigotry
Yes, sex is such a qualification for someone to be elected president... just like being black.
Well, to you liberals anyway.
If Hillary gets elected we will just see more people killed in our embassies.
I think I would rather see Dan Quayle as president than Joe Biden
Hillary or Biden? Is that all our choices? Pathetic! So all we have to choose from is either another Bush, Biden or Clinton? I think not! How about some fresh blood in the Oval Office for once! And furthermore, all those Leftist, old hatters are so stuck in their vacuum of Elitist, Ideology they are so out of touch with the average American!
Eric -- seems to me Robbie said he was an Independent -- not Republican. Are Independents now Republicans? I thought they fell in the middle somewhere -- did not care to be Dem or Repub.
That is the funniest thing I have ever heard. We now have dumb and dumber so I guess we will just be the dumbest!!!
Hillary, youve got to be kidden me. you still doing crack? She cant walk and chew bubble gum at the same time. She cant give a speech in front of servicemen without getting booed off the stage. Give that crap a rest. She will never be president without a civil war. If so bring it on.
I would've voted for Mrs. Clinton back in 2008, now not so much, her health worries me.
But Biden??? hahahaha oh hell no! I pray for President Obama's safety and well being every day for the sole fact that the thought of Biden taking over scares the beejebus outta me.
I think it's an ulterior motive for people to choose running mates like these, they know no one will assassinate them for fear of the VP's taking over would be worse.
The Republicans can't stand it. Let me put it simply so that you can understand: YOUR DAY IS OVER FOREVER. You let the radical, extremist, so-called "Tea Party" kill ANY chance that your party will EVER have at winning, as long as the party DOES NOT follow Republican conservatism. I would advise you all to write, tweet, e-mail, phone, and in general, contact your party and tell them to get back to Republican Idealism rather than taking, and following, radical extremist ideals. As long as the Republicans follow this line of thinking, their numbers will continue to decrease until there is NO Republican party at all. I would venture to say, by the comments I have seen here and on other blogs, that most that profess to be Republicans today, have NO idea what a Republican actually even is. That all being said, it won't matter WHO the Democratic party puts up to run in the next election. Whether it is Joe, Hillarary, or Bozo The Clown, the nation has seen what 8 years of arrogance does to a nation by what was displayed by the Bush/Cheney ticket and it will NOT happen again in any near future in this universe. In my estimation, the Republican party WANTS to lose, otherwise they would get back to basics and run on the actual values with which the Republican party was built on. I know, I WAS a republican and KNOW what those values were.... As of right now, I would vote for Biden no matter who his running mate is because I simply do not EVER want to see this Great Nation RAPED like it was under Bush EVER again.
This great nation is being raped, swindled, lied to, molested, corrupted, robbed, divided, and misled as we speak by you know who. The great big "O" face.
hahahahaha!! Needed a good Tuesday morning chuckle.
Yep, as funny a candidate as Romney was.......
or Dukakis, Gore and Kerry were?
Or Dole? McCain? Waaaaay funnier, esp McCain and his nutbag pick for VP.
I have to agree 100% with Justin on this one! He is nothing more then a bobble head. Very funny watching him during the Gun regulations that Obama was announcing. All he did was nod his head like one of those old Chihuahua bobble heads! LOL
lib, you just can't stand atractive women just like the rest of the I can't get a husband because I'm ugly crowd.
They can't stand attractive women because most of them are LGBT......
Ozzie, I don't believe that's it. Sarah Palin wasn't running for the "Octagenarian Playboy Skank of the Year" award... she was being touted as a potential president of the USA. Big difference. It's not what was on the outside of her head we shunned and feared, it's what was lacking on the inside.
Biden probably will not run, but he will start an exploratory committee and start raising funds. Just so he can hire family members, close friends, and anyone else he owes and pay them huge sums between now and when he decides not to run. Joe will figure out a way to benefit from any money that remains.
Ozzie,
wrong. They, and I, just cannot stand Palin and her horrendously idiotic political statements. Also if what you say is true then they would have a problem with Michelle Obama and Dr. Biden. It has nothing to do with the looks and more to do with the personality and/or brains behind the mask, as it were.
Never forget "one state" Mondale!!
I'm married for over 30 years, ozz. And my bod was rockin' back in the day.
Now I'm not a huge Obama fan, but this guy? No thank you
No, worries. If he becomes president all dem's will become huge Biden fans. It's how they work. Pathetic but true...
I think maybe its time he retire! We need FRESH MEAT and MINDS to turn this country around!! Let's get behind whoever will push for WORKFARE and get the lazy asses out doing something to EARN some money! In fact I believe that any one on the Dole for over 1 year should NOT even have the right to vote! Why should anyone that is NOT contributing to our Country have any say about who is in office? NO MORE FREE RIDES!
I just don't know how "along for the ride" can transform into "captain of the ship."
Catman? Do you mean like the "Welfare to Work" program, already in place all over the country? http://www.mdrc.org/welfare-work-program-benefits-and-costs
Here's the problem as I see it. These programs operate silently, quietly, behind the sceenes. They need to trumpet every succes! Every person who goes through their program and is either re-trained or seeks further education... to become a contributing member of society again...that is a success! It is $$$ well invested and US Citizens need to know it's not just some huge sinkhole we throw money into. So why don't they advertise and report out on their successes?
Instead....what we see is the Welfare "myth" being perpetuated that Welfare if a lifetime free ride.
Are there people abusing the system? Yes, there are....but do we punish EVERYONE because some a__hole took advantage of us? No.
The problem with your Welfare Program is, regardless of the stats that are manipulated to promote it, no matter how beneficial and effective it may appear to be, in the end, it promotes the concept that people and their earning are the property of others or the state. No one should be more deserving of the fruits of another's labors than their own family.
When any person's earnings are forcibly taken for the benefit of another without any say in the matter, then they are but a slave to that system. I would venture human charity is much greater than you believe it to be... and much greater than the state will ever concede.
JT-456250
I work around those on welfare, so I see the repercussions first hand.
They don't 'report success' because most employers who hire welfare moms do so for the tax benefit and they quickly lay them off after tax season.
Your post is so not true. Either they get a job, any job, it doesn't matter if they get a living wage or not. If (and that's a big IF) they get to keep most of their benefits. Yes, food stamps, section 8 housing, babysitters are paid for by welfare, gas to and from work, everything. If not, they get to sign up AGAIN for the program, over and over, until they (the parent) runs the time clock out. If they run the time clock out, their money is gone, but not their kids and they still keep the benefits for them until they are 18.
As far as 'retraining', unless the Mom needs to obtain a GED, they DO NOT encourage going to school or obtaining 'retraining', at all. In fact, if you sign up and try to go to school, they will threaten to cut off your benefits.
Welfare to Work is a waste of time joke...
I am sorry to read that you personally think it is a "waste of time joke" to help people when they need it most. I fundamentally disagree. We have a friend who is a Social Worker in our State's Welfare of Work program. She and her co-workers take it VERY seriously, and have had much greater success than you might want to give them credit for. Given a "hand up" most people prefer independance and will work like crazy to achieve it. They just need a little help.
To CEW? You wrote; "When any person's earnings are forcibly taken for the benefit of another without any say in the matter, then they are but a slave to that system"
Isn't our form of taxation akin to belonging to a "club"? Tennis club, Country Club? Flying Club? You pay in some dues, and enjoy the benefits, right? And, you have a vote, don't you? ...our form of government provides SO MANY benefits to US Citizens. Roads, bridges, clean water, clean-ish air (depending on where you live) Police and fire protection, Coast Guard, a military that is second to none and all manner of infrastructure and controls put in place which allow us to be successful. Do I agree with every choice our Congress makes in spending? No. But I would say, our form of govenment, even with it's myriad flaws, is still one of the best systems in the world.
I am in violent agreement with your final sentence...."I would venture human charity is much greater than you believe it to be... and much greater than the state will ever concede." No other nation on earth has more folks with generous hearts than the USA. You are so right here....
Maybe Catman should help some of the unemployed find jobs. I do not know how old Catman is, but things have changed drastically over the last 12 years or so. Almost everything is being outsourced. NAFTA was not so wonderful after all. DO NOT BLAME NAFTA ON GEORGE W. BUSH. The signing of that wonderful document took place before he was in office. I had one of my friends say the unemployed people should take whatever jobs are offered them, even if they only pays $5.00 per hour. Why? They would then be spending all of their money on gas to get to and from work if they lived over 10 or 15 miles away from the job. Also, there would be taxes coming out of that $5.00 per hour. I just happened to be at the "Y" that evening when this friend said that. I figured just play dumb and ignore her. Sometimes it's best to stay away from politics and religion when you're with friends.
Catman is 57years of age!! My take is that there are many jobs available that have not even been considered. We could line the southern Border with people to keep the "Invasion" from Mexico from happening. What about using them to help keep our cities free from litter etc. Security for our schools? Give these folks a real job not just a monthly check! A person gains alot of self esteem when they can work! As far as unemplyed, I spent 2 years out of work after the economy went flat. I truly know what its like to go from riches to rags overnight. I percevered and finally found a great company to work for! I am not special just motivated! Anyone can get a better job if they assert themselves! It starts by finding things for unemployed people to do for that monthly grant. Earning your way equates to paying taxes and contributing to our Country! NO FREE RIDES!!
Not always. Many pay into Medicare but are unable to use it because they are single. People draw from Social Security and Medicare without ever having to pay into it. We pay billions to provide for people in this country illegally while our own citizens do without. Then there are the corporate bailouts which benefit few beyond the private firms and their investors and employees, all of which resulted from poor management and business plans that still continue to lose millions and should have signaled their end, not a need for our tax dollars.
As for roads, bridges, clean water and the like... of course, but not when we've invested to the point we can no longer maintain what we have, build simply as a means of garnering votes in specific districts, or wind up with a situation where our ever decreasing farm land is destroyed while inner cities crumble. And certainly not when the vast majority of the polluters of our environment do so with the state's blessing after paying a nominal fee, and without any regard for land owners downstream.
For the most part, people within their communities know what is best for them and what is needed, not some politician or bean counter on the other side of the country fenced into a different reality by the belt-way. Being part of that community does indeed include contributing to the communal cause, but it does not necessarily dictate a need to provide roads, bridges, or even soup kitchens in another region of the country... at least not without a voice in the matter.
Unfortunately, the state (our elected officials), many of whom have exempted themselves from the laws they pass to regulate us, have also taken our voice. Often giving it instead to the special interests that feed them.
Republicans couldn't have hoped for better news.
Skup,
But they probably will still blow the opportunity. Tea Party influence = democratic victory.
Shrinking Republican base = Democratic victory.
let's see, if we opperated like democrats we could come up with all kind of names for him. Like Joe bidet, Joe the hoe, Cryin biden, lyin" Biden. joe bite me. The list could be endless --- IF we operated like Democrats. But I think probably if his first debate before the primaries he would put his foot so far in his mouth he'd never be able to walk again.
"Republicans couldn't have hoped for better news."
Republicans best focus rebuilding their image rather than thinking Joe Biden will be an easy opponent. You may think Joe is stupid but come election time he's been kicking Republicans in the ass for more than 40 years. As the old saying goes --- be careful what you wish for because you just may get it.
Remember -- Republicans were sure Obama was going to be a one term president just like they were sure Clinton was going to be a one term president.
Continuing to ignore or insult educated, middle-class Democrats = Democratic victory.
Joe the rocket scientist...oops graduated in the bottom 10% of his class in under graduate school and law school. At least he has tax payer dollars to hire people to manage his "image" ...now if they could only do something about his mouth.
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VP Joe Biden is "genuine". He speaks from his heart (and his heart is about the size of Texas) Does he go off script on occaision? Sure he does....as does anyone with passion and purpose. He's a very decent person. Joe can be REALLY funny sometimes...mixed metaphors and all, but he's basically a caring, decent and genuine person.
JT,
Jimmy Carter is a great human as well but not a good president. Leadership and intelligence are required for the job...to bad we don't require a search committee to review potential candidates like most jobs require...we might avoid some of the very problems we have seen in our lifetime.
Too bad they don't give people tests to see how bright they are before they hire them. I've been an executive secretary, legal secretary, medical transcriptionist, administrative assistant and real estate broker. I've had to pass a test prior to getting hired for any of the positions I've had. My ex-husband was in service, so whenever he was transferred, I followed. I always managed to get a job after passing the test for the position. Sometimes the test took two to three hours, sometimes 10 minutes, but I always got the position. Now, it is who you know not what you know. So, we get buffoons in government just like in other jobs.
I always liked Biden until I heard him proudly declare, "I am a Zionist".
Better soak him in botox until then....maybe with a healthy helping of rogain and renew his caps.
Bag---you forgot a nice serving of Viagra also! (:>)
I'm still sticking to Hillary even though I like Joe
Me too. Love Joe, but it's time for Hillary.
She will just continue to "fall down" on the job...like Benghazi.
Next
See hillary in the White House, I don't want to see that incompetant ugly bi@#h anywhere.
Too effing bad, you will.
I hope so. It'll give us a good chance of getting a Republican in the white house. Then if the GOP can nominate a real Republican -- not another George Bush -- we'll have a chance at restoring the country.
Good luck with that. The whole country is waiting and hoping for the republicans to get off the crazy train and dump the teaparty.
I think that crazy train has sped on out of sight for the most part... it topped the horizon with the last election and POOF! went the way of Myth Robme. Anyways, we'll see in 2014 whenever we bounce a bunch more of the teaparty waiters and waitresses right outta the House!
Didn't the Republicans LOVE George W. Bush? And now they're all calling him a RINO? He was more conservative, BTW, than Ronald Reagan...
They liked him until they noticed how the rest of the country didn't, now they want to pretend he didn't exist (even though they still promote his policies).
I am an Obama supporter but the Democrats can do a lot better than 74 yr old Joe Biden for president. His time is gone and it will be handing the country back to the Republicans if Biden ran.
No No No I love Joe Biden, I would support his candidacy, more so than a Hillary Clinton candidacy. I do not think after all the polarization of the republican party that there will be a candidate that can bring them back to the White House.
A better choice would be one of the Castro brothers out of Texas...
Joe-Joe is a senile old man. He can't remember if he is president or Vice President. Not to mention he is a perv.
You saying you're an Obama supporter says it all. You'd vote for Pelosi if she ran.
My dog is smarter than Joe ! Biden is a compulsive gas-bag. Of course, the libtard lamestream media will give him a pass ... even if 'Ole Joe passes out !
Joe should retire and so should Dianne Feinstein. Dianne Feinstein is 80 and she carries a gun.!!!
Pleeeeeeeaaaaase run for POTUS Biden. We need someone to take the place of Quayle and Palin punch lines. At least if you do run we will know that we have a "clean" presidential candidate ala when you noted that Obama was a "clean" guy.
LOLOLOLOLOLOLO!!!!!
Until you dump the teaparty, I am not too worried. Their idiocy will give us laughs for YEARS.
Come on, folks! It's day two of the Obama/Biden second term. Aren't we getting a little ahead of ourselves?
Nope, Obama has been campaigning for this 2nd term since elected to the first one. Thats why all he got done was ACA and the failing stimulus. Nothing else!!
Thank goodness they're talking about campaigning already for 2016. I thought we might be free of some campaign news, at least for a little while. They sure showed me...
The Dems have a number of very qualified people to nominate in 2016. The primaries will be interesting to say the least.
Not as interesting as the 2012 republican primaries... That was rich...
Yeah, the GOP had a bucket of sludge for this last one.. for sure.
Herman Cain?? Michelle Bachman? Ron Paul (the nice guy) Rick who? And of course, The Mighty NEWT!! the most qualifed, yet most un-electable character in the history of the GOP. I mean the guy was cheatin on his cancer stricken wife. Yeah, I'd trust THAT guy..
Oh, lets not forget the nominee. The one who really didn't want the job, just the title. MUTT ROMNEY!!
Where is he? probably somewhere laughin his ass off..
Who do they have coming up in 2016? Chubs Christy, and a couple of spics.. Yeah they got a REAL shot next time...
I still don't think they even get it.
LMAO
This is just the boost the Republicans need!
Until they go run Bachmann, Perry or Santorum again. The only candidates worthy of the office usually get the boot very early in republican primaries. I don't see that anything has changed.
Hey Libo---ever heard of Marco Rubio, or Chris Christie? Yeah, pretend you haven't. Ha, Ha
jarhead..get serious. Rubio..Christie, neither one of those fools can pull the splintered base of the GOP together. There are more Democrats who would back Christie, then his own party would. And Rubio.. folks may like him, but he isn't likely to get the Hispanic vote, until he moderates a bit on his social issues. And that only turns off the hard core right. He can't win either way. Damned if he does, damed if he don't. It isn't him..its the fractured party. far right teabaggers against moderate conservatives. No unity! those two won't get the nod. They'll be right where they are now in 2016. NJ Gov and Fla senator. Trapped by thier own party.
Shawn----you sound pretty worried....and you should be! Yes, Rubio speaks the Democratic national language: Spanish. And Christie has something the Dems don't have--credibility and b__s. Just keep writing them off. Ha, Ha
Lets see how fast the village idiot can run.
Too old.
LMAO
Plugs for POTUS 2016.
Bring on the gaffemaster.
Actually, it's more like "gass master" ... he emanates hot "air" from both ends !
No thanks I'll vote for a winner,,hillary
Hillary won't run. She would have to answers questions, and then all of a sudden would get sick !!
Maybe a Hillary and Biden ticket would be good. Biden can be a permanent VP for that matter. He's actually a good guy, and unlike others (I will refrain from mentioning, but of the other party), he has more ethical behavior, he's smart, and he actually knows geography and physiology. I don't think he has the stamina for the presidency, but Hillary could give it a good shot.
I think Hillary and a new face would be good. And I see Ken is already warming up the Clinton hate machine. The republicans only liked her because they were trying to sow discord between her and Obama.
Biden wants to run for President so he can put y'all in chains !!
Biden has been Barry's best-bet life insurance policy. Now who would Joe get to fill that role?
mpa - you are disgusting and reprehensible. Why don't you go post on your Daddy Rush's site, or Glenn Beck's, where your kind are welcomed with open arms!!
It doesnt matter. ALl liberals are the same but Joe happens to be a moron on top of being a liberal. How m uch you want to bet, the liberal media wont mention his age the way they did with McCain or Reagan? MY god, our country is finished
Talk about putting your foot in your mouth - the article DID mention his age. Did you even read the article?
That mean and nasty 'librul media' is soooo unfair! Whine whine whine.
Ask away. Usually the right just shoots off incomprehensible bs.
Biden has so far served very well as vice president. He would have a good chance in 2016 but then, so will Hillary. I wonder if the REpubs/Baggers will be able to come up with a viable candidate by then? So far everyone has been poor, sick jokes. They do have one very good prospect amongst their ranks, but they will never run him - he's not to the liking of the ultra-cons. I speak of Jon Huntsman.
People were dumb enough to vote for Obama so they sure would vote for buffoon Biden. Biden is such a buffoon, in fact, that he said he was glad to be PRESIDENT Sunday when first sworn in.
It all depends on how much government free stuff Biden can promise.
Gosh, Alaskan, a significant majority of us were dumb voters, I guess. And you wear the Tiara of Sour Grapes quite becomingly - congrats!!!
Wow... yeah get rid of the bozo we already have in the white house add another clown to the mix in 4 years our country is already a laughing circus what more could we ask for ???
"Whatmore could we ask for?" How about a grammatically comprehensible sentence, or a coherent thought?
Actually you are so wrong about me on so many points
I am far from being a "typical liberal" - I vote the candidate and the issues. I have voted for both democrats and for republicans. Who I voted for had nothing to do with liberal or conservative - it was and is issue driven.
And I take issue with incomprehensible idiots.
As well as those who jump to conclusions.
Fixed it for you. For example, the opportunity to make huge spending cuts and small revenue increases were rejected (like 4:1 cuts to spending) and the downgraded the US credit rating (with pride), which causes the deficit to increase.
Examples:
http://community.thenest.com/cs/ks/forums/thread/50646414.aspx
http://www.economist.com/node/21555953
http://regator.com/p/243323569/andrew_reinbach_republicans_penny-wise_pound-foolish/
lib50,
So the logical conclusion is to continue to add to the national debt and yearly deficit...great logic there...get back to us when you learn how to balance spending with income.
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Well well...and where were you NOTsosure10, when Bush and Cheney hid the REAL budget under the covers, calling the wars debt, "emergency budget" until Obama had the courage to pull the war debt into the REAL natiional budget? Sheesh.....
Republicans love to underestimate Joe Biden. Remember the VP debates when he turned Lyin' Ryan into Cryin' Ryan?
Remember when Joe was running for President and couldn't get any primary votes?
they don't remember stuff like that.. ask them and they will say it never happened. they live in total denial..
And recall years ago when Biden, caught for plagarizing a spech, withdrew from the primaries?
Now, liars are rewarded by the left. See: Obama.
NOT A THING? Are you serious Tank? Jokin Joe made Cryin Ryan look like he was gonna piss himself. That boy guzzled more water than a thirsty dog with his head in a puddle. After that debate, nobody in this country was talking about anything (if anything) that came out of Ryans mouth.. Joe punked to fool. Really, you should have watched it. All the Republiclowns could say was how Joe rolled his eyes at everything the dope said, and how "UN-Vice Presidential" he looked. Joe was rope-a-dopin the fool.
And guess what? Joe is still VP, and Pissy-pants Paul Ryan (No ideas, No answers, No worth) is Where?
I remember Biden looked like an A$$, in the debate. I still do not know why
he was laughing, The failed economy really isn't that funny. He was not
professional or at all presidential in the debate. Biden is an Idiot, nothing
more, nothing less.
You call him an idiot but he beat your little Ryan and is VP for 4 more years. Not too shabby.
Shawn
Now let's ask if you're serious. Joe the hoe only proved he was louder, more direspectful. and more obnoxious. He thought if he yelled his lies often enough everyone would swear they were true. Per hap's his forte is foreign policy where he can yell and interupt. He's an idiot out in search of a keeper.
Come on now Paul. Joe isn't any prize, BUT did you actually think Paul Ryan was the second coming?
You knew he and Muttster were doomed.. well before he got punked by Jokin Joe.
Outside of a few hard core, hopeful but disallusioned souls, most folks knew that ticket was doomed in October.
That "idiot" you refer to, is still VP of the USA.
Romney / Ryan are just two pathetic pieces of HISTORY!
So, say what you will, but its only the tears of bitter defeat. Get over it!
You're absolutely right. That idiot is the VP. Now if you were a thinking man that might tell you something about the Democratic Party. But apparently your not bacause look at what we have in the white house.
Paul, can you please elaborate on what you define as a "thinking man"? Apparently it will not include a knowledge of basic English grammar. You are what you write, friend. And while I'm at it, you too can dispense with your silly little pity party of one. We're all damned sick of hearing the whining from the losing side!! Get over it and move on. Next time around, find a decent candidate and maybe she will win the General Election for a change.
I still think Paul Ryan is a very smart young man. Joe Biden is probably smart, too, but he acted like a clown during the debate. His stupid sneers gave the impression that he thought he was better and smarter than anybody. I never have liked people that went around with sneers on their faces. Too old or not, he was a big turnoff for VP as far as I'm concerned.
The next eight years belong to the GOP according to their tacit agreement, so Biden sounds like a perfect candidate for the Dems.
Ha, let's hope so. If the second Obama term doesn't remind Americans of why they distrust Democrats, a Biden administration definitely will.
@ Porter-Oh yes, the GOP does love it's draft dodging sons of privilege...Bush, Cheney, Romney. YUCK. Biden's son was in the military and Biden was the only current congressmen who even HAD someone serving our country for a while. Most of all, Biden is very intelligent. I would vote for him! He will never be insanely stupid like George Bush was. Or end up as a God on another planet with 1000 wives, like Romney plans.....