The one thing Democrats have to be careful of is how short the memory is for the general public. In 2009, I thought the GOP was cutting their own throat when they were opposing Obama on any type of stimulus spending...but we saw what happened in 2010.

Democrats have to keep reminding and reminding and reminding the general public just how unreasonable these people are.....if we're successful at doing so, you're correct; we'll see the GOP lose control in 2014.

Of course GOP fever hasn't broken yet, you can't fix stupid over night, if ever. America has spoken, instead of playing the blame game the GOP needs to take a good hard look at their brand. America has always progressed even in the face of fierce opposition. Either be part of it or become a forgotten relic of the past.

Big story that is misnamed. One would think that it means their backers have a fever for the GOP. Right now they are jumping ship like rats. All this says is their plan is still to hell with the American people we are going to do what our backers tell us to do

... the weeks since the election have found Republicans as dogged as ever in their resistance to Obama....

That's because they are still trying to make him a 'one-term' President. What a bunch of clowns.

They have a fever, because they are sick! The Congress now polls below lice!

The president has to hold firm on the debt ceiling, no dealing with these guys, if they want to shut down the government let them and let them suffer the political consequences, it won't go well for them at all if they do. Lets see if they now make themselves poll below an STD.

Bad news, GOP...... you've miscaculated just how long you've got to spend making Americans "forget" just how idiotic and corrupt you're behaving right now.

And yet these same repubs passed several pork filled bills that were signed by Bush and agreed to keep two wars and a Medicare drug bill off budget and now they got fiscal religion. Fever is more like hypocracy. The biggest spenders in history have been the gop, especially Reagan and Bush. Most of our debt is still from Bush's policies. Holding the debt ceiling, which repubs raised easily whenever bush asked, does nothing but hurt our cresit, as it did in 2011. Repubs hate America, face it. They don't care as long as they keep getting fed by their rich masters.

Actually, I hope they keep it up for about 20 more months. That takes us to the next election cycle, and by then the whole of the American public will be so fed up with them, they'll toss each and every one of them. People claim that the American memory for poor political behavior is short, and they are right. However, with 20 more months, the goldfish memory problem will not be an issue.

Sadly, the job description currently being written by the GOP is a very sad statement of their affairs.
We need to fire them. They are done.

GOP, if you think your same rebranding tricks and propaganda will work in 2014, you're in for a HUGE surprise.

If you think you were done in by changing "demographics" during the 2012 election, wait until you get a load of 2014.

It would seem that Karl Rove has been commissioned to gather the statistics on the so-called "likely" demographics of the 2014 voter group. FYI, that's about as good of an idea as it was for all those 1%ers to give that clown(Rove) hundreds of millions of dollars for the 2012 elections. Good luck with that!

Good luck trying to gerrymander your way out of the hole you shameless bastards are digging for yourselves.

By the way, I wish you luck with mobilizing that racist far-right base of your's without the carrot of making BO Blacky a one-term president to motivate them. Have fun with that.

See ya in '14

Yeah Kornfed democrats are just plain stupid, they won the oval office, seats in the senate, and seats in the house. Got news for you Kornfed stupid does not win across the board, or are you going to tell me that republicans are very smart losers. You can argue the stupid or smart thing if you wish, you can't argue who are the winners and who the losers are, the nation just decided that.

If you want to balance the budget and pay off the national debt, there is a massive pool of untaxed money in the hands of political lobbies called "churches" which, if taxed, could accomplish both tasks in short order.

You are in a shrinking minority with that opinion Kornfed, republicans did not fare well in statewide elections, they held their majority in the house due to heavily Gerrymandered small districts, when they are held up to a wider section of the electorate they don't fare so well.

Dear Congress,

Here are 3 things that need to change now.

1. Filibusters have to be continuous

2. Majority must be present to be in session

3. No more Super Majority

Yes, cuts are in order, (this is my start).

However before you touch your so called entitlement programs lets address some additional costs.....

1. Runaway spending by Home Land Security

2. Runaway cost of Public Sector Workers

3. Runaway costs of Foreign Aid

4. Runaway cost of Military Hardware

5. Runaway cost of CONGRESS

6. Runaway cost of EPA

7. Runaway cost of TSA

When this is done then we can talk about Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security, Welfare, and Unemployment…..

Mr. President you need to push for cuts for Expenses..... Yes doing the cuts above is going to cost JOBS, you know if there is no pain then there is no gain..... We really need to start living within our means and not stealing our children's future.....

sum -- i would suggest we add all charitable causes back to the tax roles. no deductions for contributing to the red cross and other like-minded businesses.

Remember 2010! Get your lazy democratic friends off there butts in 2014, or you will not want to look in your own eyes.

I really think it is funny how many believe the whole republican and democrat adversary is real.

This is as fake as wrestling on Saturday morning!

America is being played for fools.

Awe spoken like the true Christian nation that we are........

Democratic or Republican, House members are ELECTED KINGs from their district; they act like KINGs too. They only respond to their constituents, not to the President.

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Unless we change election rules, otherwise these House members will always have very partisan king 'fevers', it's been this way before Obama's arrival.

This article calls the republican House "unruly." I say it is holding the county hostage to their benefits politically. They have become a bunch of political terrorist here among us and it was so good to see that the one republican moderate group changing their name to "Moderate and Centrist Democrats." When will it sink in to them just what they are doing to kill their own party. Keep it up you right wing nuts I'm loving it and I used to be one of you before you made the extremeright hand turn!

It is amazing how many still stand firmly in the GOP camp. The GOP isn't what it used to be. I voted Republican, believed in many of the principles that formed the foundation of the GOP but they moved right and then further right and then even further right. Now they are so far right they couldn't be more wrong.

Mainstream, moderate people still exist in the party of "NO" but they are unwilling to stand against those within it who continue to press the GOP further to the right. How does the country survive when the people we elect sign a pledge to "never raise taxes"? How does someone deliver such a pledge to lawmakers? Could you or I get access to these people to sign some document that served a special cause we believed in? HELL NO! Corruption exists on both sides of the aisle and it needs to stop!

Well that's what you get when you mix Religion with Politics. It brings in everything in the fray other than what really matters to people's lives. Guns, wars, moral policing, attack on science and rational thinking. GOP has really dumbed down America.

Maybe that's the problem. Too many people are voting party, rather than where the candidate stands on the issues. Personally, I read the issues of every candidate I voted for and have voted Republican and Democrat many times. (In the last 10 presidential elections, I have voted Republican 5 times and Democrat 5 times). Voting along party lines is a fools game. Parties tend to move more to one side (Republicans to the right and Democrats to the left) when they are in the majority. Why? Because the ideologues from both parties push their agendas when they are in the Majority. It happened in 1994 when the Republicans gain both the House and Senate and lost it before the turn of the century and when the Democrats gained both the House and Senate in 2008 and lost the House in 2010. Too much partisanship on from both parties.

The actual PERCENTAGE of the overall population that agrees with the GOP 's obstructionist , extemists and the Tea Party agenda would fit into Texas.

Perfect.

Texas wants to secede from the Union.

OK!

There... you've got your Government, Texas~

rename yourselves or keep the name, but so long and ..... good luck.

RTyp0

Of course GOP fever hasn't broken yet, you can't fix stupid over night, if ever.

Exactly. It's not a fever, it's a form of delusion. Meds might help, but I'd hesitate to try that on the obstinate congresspersons who can't face reality. (Michelle Bachmann, introducing another bill to repeal Obamacare. Really??)

Psychotropic drugs might interact badly with GOP koolaid. The only 'cure' for the illness they have is lots of bedrest, at home, after being VOTED OUT. Let's help them get well, shall we?

Texas wants to secede from the Union.

Adios then, Tejas! You're halfway gone already, pardner.

Republicans love to point to the trillions added to the deficit during the last 4 years, they are just not that keen on accentuating how those trillions were added. Expansion of government (Depart. of Homeland Security) the start of two unfunded wars + cutting taxes (the only time in history the U.S. ever did this) and the addition of a giant new entitlement program (Medicare-Part D) that all republicans voted for.

The republicans, when in power, are the furthest thing away from being a party of responsibility. Time to rid ourselves of these menaces to democracy. Time to end gerrymandering.

Democrats and Republican share equal blame for the mess our country is in. The ball is now in the Democrats court-Repubs "gave in" on repeal of tax break (note NOT a tax increase) now the Dems should give in on entitlements. For this to work this country needs to increase revenue (started) AND decrease spending (time to get started). Cutting out every bit of pork, no matter how small. Responsible Representatives would never put in pork.

Well I'm not surprised to see the one sided PARTISAN attitude from this forum. The Democrats and liberals just don't get it. What they consider "cooperation" is essentially that they want TOTAL capitulation to the anti-constitutional socialist programs they wish to impose on the public.

I keep reading that "the people have spoken" and yet those that keep parroting that phrase seem to forget that, yes the PEOPLE have spoken, and the House of Representatives is STILL Republican controlled so the reality is that "the people" want some balance, not the stiff necked socialism that the democrats want to impose on the people.

I applaud the Republicans in the House for not abandoning their principles and remaining true to the Constitution and defending our Republic.

It is bad enough that they gave in to the Democrats with the latest tax program that IS COSTING not just the wealthy but the middle class as well, just look at your first pay check for this year. I don't make anywhere near 100,000 a year let alone 250,000 or 400,000 but I am losing over $1000.00 this year. So much for Obama and the Democrats promiss that the middle class won't be affected.

The GOPs primary goal is to cut governement spending and debt. So for all you liberals, conservatives will remember you in 2020 when the debt payments are larger than the governement income...

Fools - Obama is playing with your heads. Proof America is to stupid to deserve a democracy anymore...

Dems just don't seem to get it, the rationale for the opposition has not changed, and that is to fix the federal deficit issue. Many Dems just can't seem to understand that most conservatives are not opposed to Obama the person, but to the Obama form of governance which just keeps taking away our freedoms and dragging us deeper into the abyss.

Yes, Obama won the election (but by a very slim majority of the popular vote) and he got his tax increase. But most of the people want to see our government address the deficit issue and not just keep putting it off into the future. And as your illustrious leader likes to say "do the math." We cannot tax our way out of the deficit issue, the numbers just don't add up. And yes it will be painful and all of us will have to share in the pain.

Just look at the numbers. In 1962 entitlements were 31% of the federal budget and in 2012 entitlements ballooned to almost 62% of the federal budget (htt://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/budget/Historials). At the same time defense spending went from 49% down to 19%. So entitlements are 61% defense is 19%, and interest adds on another 6%, so that accounts for 86% of the federal budget. There just is not enough that can be cut from the remaining 14% (which includes education, transportation, etc.). As one can see, defense has already been dramatically cut over the past 50 years, so the only thing left to cut that will make any difference are entitlements.

LOL, these right wingers all sound like Alex Jones now. No wonder rational people are abandoning the GOP.

I actually hope the dems win the house in 2014. Then the deficit will really spiral out of control. We need this to happen sooner than later. Of course it will be painful when we become "Greece". But let's make it happen now (or 2014) rather than 10 years from now. I'm already rich from my software company. The rest of you poor slobs, you are on your own when all h_ll breaks loose.

Bobster, at what point will the Dems realize they have spent all the money and there isn't anymore?

The majority of American citizens are going to remember this in 2014.

@Jamie -729593

Actually, it's 2013. Buy a calendar.

Um, he's talking about the 2014 mid-term elections, smart*ss. Nice fail genius.

Well, GOP fever... I always said Republicanism is a disease and death is the only cure! And for Obama gun control is hitting your targets and if your target is a member of a domestic terrorist group, I.E. Tea Party, or other GOP affiliation then I say let the led fly!!!!

Explain this.

The worlds GDP is 65 Trillion dollars. Our economy is 15-16 trillion dollars of it. Our debt is over 16 Trillion dollars. The expected debt over the next 10 years will add 10 trillion dollars to that. So in 10 years we will have 25-26 trillion dollars of debt. Who is going to loan us that money? How is our dollar going to have any value at all after we reach those levels?

President Obama thinks that everyone should do what he wants just becuase he says so. That is not how it works in our country. It was designed not to work that way for the very simple reason that ones ideas should survive the fire of an opossing opinion. We are not children, I argue with my father all the time. He changes a little and I change a little, and guess what our agreed to opinion is stronger for it.

I want a leader, not a cattle herder. What we have right now is a bunch of herders trying to lead our country.

Also explain how durring Presidents Bush's time in office we averaged less that 300 billion dollars in deficit spending to President Obama's 1 Trillion dollars? The tax rates where the same, the wars are winding donw?

Get Real,

Where were the fiscally conservative Republicans during the Bush years? Why did they vote time and again to raise the debt ceiling for Bush but now won't for Obama? What was the debt at the start and end of Bush's 8 years? What were the annual spending increases from 2001 - 2012?

At the end of the day, neither party when they are in power wishes to cut spending on their pet programs.

weeks since the election have found Republicans as dogged as ever in their resistance to Obama, whose initiatives – including gun control, immigration reform and efforts to boost renewable energy – still face an uncertain path forward, particularly in an unruly House of Representatives still controlled by a Republican majority.

Ahh, ok, so what's new? Anyone who thought these re-elected hypocrites would change are living in a make believe world. Here, let me give you a flash from the past, in other words, fast forward 4 years, and the same is true TODAY!!

On January 20, 2009 Republican Leaders in Congress plotted to sabotage and undermine U.S. Economy during President Obama's Inauguration:

The Guest List:

Frank Luntz - GOP Minister of Propaganda

Rep. Paul Ryan (R-WI) YOUR WANTED TO BE VP!!!
Rep. Eric Cantor (R-VA)
Rep. Kevin McCarthy (R-CA),
Rep. Pete Sessions (R-TX),
Rep. Jeb Hensarling (R-TX),
Rep. Pete Hoekstra (R-MI)
Rep. Dan Lungren (R-CA),
Sen. Jim DeMint (SC-R),
Sen. Jon Kyl (AZ-R),
Sen. Tom Coburn (OK-R),
Sen. John Ensign (NV-R) and
Sen. Bob Corker (TN-R).

"The single most important thing we want to achieve is for President Obama to be a one-term president," Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell told National Journal's Major Garrett in October.

"Well, that is true," McConnell replied. "That's my single most important political goal, ALONG WITH EVERY ACTIVE REPUBLICAN IN THE COUNTRY."

Since MickeyConnell lost out on that "one-term" bid, now he's crying, the President needs to lead, we can't drag him to the table. Well MickeyConnell, seems like American voters thought he was a leader, they re-elected him.

Even with the country on the brink of default, the Senate's highest ranking Republican says his "single most important" goal is to make Barack Obama a one-term president.

They hated President Obama from day one, never wanted him to succeed.

HILLARY CLINTON....2016!!!!

@ subnormal

Explain this.

The worlds GDP is 65 Trillion dollars. Our economy is 15-16 trillion dollars of it. Our debt is over 16 Trillion dollars. The expected debt over the next 10 years will add 10 trillion dollars to that. So in 10 years we will have 25-26 trillion dollars of debt. Who is going to loan us that money? How is our dollar going to have any value at all after we reach those levels?

"We can start getting some cooperation again, and we're not going to have people raising their hands and saying – or refusing to accept a deal where there's $10 of cuts for every dollar of tax increases, but that people will accept a balanced plan for deficit reduction."

So when does the 'balance' start?

As of now, Obama has gotten huge tax increases on the 'rich' (and the middle class), but has not agreed to ANY spending cuts.

And instead of 'deficit reduction', Obama has proposed even more spending INCREASES.

Of course, Obama's compliant media takes their cue from Obama and blames the impasse on the Republicans.

I wonder how long it will take before the public wakes up and says "Hey, Obama got his tax increases - where are the spending cuts"?

Mark-337609

this is for you and Kornfed (genius)

You actually made me stop.... I'll give you the quick version....2008....Financial crises....devaluation of middle class equity wealth (1.7 trillion.....largest loss of wealth mankind has EVER seen)....Why?....Greed not government......Banks made bad loans because they where insured with PMI insurance so they held no liability....Hence they lent money to everyone.......or maybe you are telling me they don't like money?...remember they held ZERO liability......How?....Republican agenda of the "Do nothing, see what happens mentality" deregulation of the lending criteria.....Let free market reign and hope greedy corporations do the right thing......They robbed the middle class.......They robbed them in a way that is new.......The largest consumer in the country has no money...the middle class.....How do you restore equity so lending and credit can begin? You stimulate which creates an inflationary rate and the government gets paid back after they devalued the dollar by printing more into circulation....This does two things decreases the debt to income ratio of the middle class and devalues the national debt..... This needs to happen so lending is opened up again and spending can begin......The problem with this particular financial crisis is who it affected and how lifetimes of their savings and equity accounts were shredded so the rich could get richer....The middle class does not have the capacity to recover quickly because of their revolving income levels that are low. So, genius, how do you restore equity quickly in the middle class without giving them trillions of dollars?....U don't......You keep the economy from tanking all of a sudden and hold on for dear life while the middle class pays down their debt (will be 2018 before you see true recover......a ten year theft of equity...the true generational thieves)......This all started with Reagan........Tax cuts for the last 100 years trendable show that the deficit blows up when tax cuts to the rich are given and the only time where GDP growth was trended with large gains was when a tax cut to the rich was given was during Reagan's time......But the tax cut is not the cause for GDP growth it was the opening up of the credit markets to the common man and the mentality of......."Let them borrow to the hilt" the beginning of how we got here.......This is all factual by the way please feel free to do some research.......Your cult leader "Romney", who has been recently caught raping his own campaign account (like he did to the companies he took over), had a terribly economic depressing plan and long term deeply impactful to the wellness of the whole country plan........Cut SS benefits for the old....privatize health care for the elderly......Profit driven companies running our old peoples health care...LOLZ....we know they will do the right thing.....We should completely deregulate them at the same time....LOLZ....Social Darwinism....and guess what? The family would still be burdened with the medical expenses of their elderly...So the tax would go away but families would have to pull out of pocket about 12k a year to make up for what the voucher doesn't cover.....I hope your Grandma doesn't get cancer......Cause then you would have to give them like 100K out of your pocket all at once....Or do you just let her die? Look at the burden heath care costs and its effect of GPD prior to Medicare....before 1966....This is why it was put into place because it saved us money.....But some idiot told you they are reducing taxes 22% across the board and that is about all you understand......You will still pay the same if not more......Just in a different way....So all the repug nonsense is smoke and mirrors...with a lot of BS......The point to all this......If you knew f_ckn anything about economics or politics you wouldn't make dumb a$$ comments.....and the fact that you guys don't appreciate the economic condition we are in due to brilliance of our leaders...makes you just ignorant....

and one other thing "smoke and mirrors" Mark.....Why don't you look at why that federal budget changed.... medicare started in 1966 (you might want to research the annual houshold financial burden for elderly medical costs to the middle class family prior to this.......it is why it came into effect...it saved money....I know you aren't bright enough to understand this...) and then you have Social Security as we know it which wasn't put into effect till 68'/69'....So basically your reference is of ignorance or just misleading....Sometimes I think you guys are so dumb......Do you even know your own parties history? You know the republican party was created as an anti-slavery party....right? Abraham Lincoln was the first Republican president...You know this right? Old Abe is probably rolling around in his grave with what you guys have done to his party....Vampire hunter and all....LOLZ...Get a clue because the comments you are making are coming off as kind of stupid...

Maybe if Obama was truly open to listening to ideas from other people, he could find ways to work with the Republicans. I've heard too many independents and Democrats say Obama only listens to a handful of people to think the problem is only with the Republicans.

GOP is sick and needs a major enema... it will happen in the next election.

subnormal

The reason why none of this makes sense to you is because you believe nothing ever changes (hence why people are running from your idiot party)....It is called inflation...innovation and education all these thing have impact on future economy...Have you not seen inflation? Read above......You know your champion Reagan walked out of office with triple the deficit he walked into office with...triple...It is why Bush senior had to raise taxes. This argument here isn't about the parties...It is about fixing the problem.....and there exists no solution from the Republicans that is feasible......

Jim,

So, here’s a part of Barrack Husseins accomplishments over the past 4 years

You forgot his last name "obama". Goes to show what you are, another Obama basher/right wing nut. Which at this point makes you totally irrelevant. The election is over buddy, all that complaining in your post was for nothing. Go cry to someone else..

Silverton...

Yep, I to am looking forward to 2014 for when the right gains control of the senate and retains control of the house. Obama says we need a "fair and balanced approach". Well we all know that he got those earning over $450k now have a higher tax rate,

Those earning over $250k (?) will be paying an increase of around 3.6% in taxes to pay for obamacare.

So silverton, where are the lefts spending cuts? Doesn't balanced mean higher revenue + lower spending? Perhaps they are waiting for the sequested cuts to take place? I hope so, then the American populace will wake up to the fraud that obama and company are. Our rate of spending needs to be drastically reduced. Even the discretionary side of the budget needs to be reduced as well, how we view federal wprkers (including congress) payrolls and bennies. The discretionary side of the budget may not be much, but that doesn't mean it can't be reduced. After all, doesn't the word dicretionary imply "optional"?

Seems that the left should be very, very worried about 2014. After all they did little to effect economic growth prior to the 2010 midterms in which obama coined the phrase on ho the left took a "shellacking". It is past time for the federal government to take pay and benny cuts and be put onto equal footing with the private sector rank and file.

Scott-2430263

So you really want to blame the GOP for making sure Obama does not become a dictator for his failed policies? Following the national media belief, just shows ignorance of the real issues in theis country. This whole so called fabricated fiscal cliff crap was a prime example of his failed administration.

Well, you have to remember it was one of your people who first coined the "fiscal cliff" scare tactic,

Ben Shalom Bernanke, Federal Reserve Chairman, Republican,

The term "fiscal cliff" was originally coined by Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke in regards to the current situation, "fiscal cliff" was used to describe the situation that would occur on January 1st, 2013 if Congress did not act.

LOL, Max. Meanwhile, watching them rant and drool for the next 2 years about dictatorships, communism, socialism, bitherism, etc will be amazing, especially since it is this rabid approach which is costing them any chance of victory.

Do all the 'Jim Spences' out there still complain about the trillions Bush squandered, and lives lost, over 8 years of not finding bin Laden? Were they complaining when George was in charge and let the country head for recession? I'll bet not. Conservatives aren't 'cons' for nothing. VERY narrow focus and extremely short memories. They can do nothing wrong....in their eyes. But then, they need to be led by entertainers like Limbaugh, Beck and O'Reilly. They do what they're told and 'think' by direction.

american-2051576

Yes....LOLZ....Just like Romney had Ohio and the election......They like to call the liberals hippies....but I do believe you guys have been high for a while....with thoughts of grandeur....LOLZ

Dear ANGRY AT SPENDING FOLKS:

Help!

Enlighten us.

Specifically, what has your Republican Governor, Senator, House Rep, mayor, done to cut spending in your town?

Did you fire teachers?

Stop repairing roads?

Close the clinics?

Fire the government employees?

ALL politics are local....so besides whining, protesting and running for office....what specific items were identified as absolutely wasteful...and cut?

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Does your State ever tag on amendments to get funding for a project?

or

is this some sort of VAGUE...other guy... complaint?

If you've got a solution...don't be shy.... TELL US!

now the Dems should give in on entitlements.

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Do you mean the Farm Subsidies to the large, wealthy farm corporations in the red Farm Belt states, aid to Israel, tax credits to highly profitable oil companies and companies that outsource American jobs, the "carried interest" tax giveaway to hedge fund managers, etc., all pure giveaways of taxpayer money...........I couldn't agree more. If you mean by entitlements Social Security benefits or Medicare, these are programs with their own source of funding, payroll taxes and Part B premiums for Medicare. I agree there is waste and fraud in Medicare, and have complained for a long time that the government does not act strongly enough to eliminate that. Maybe a greater effort to drive down rising health care costs would be a sensible pursuit. The funding issue with SS is a fault of Congress who raided the fund, along with a fall in wages for the overall workforce which provided funding via payroll taxes, with income moving upwards over the income cap and no longer taxed. The problems with these programs is not in their design, but in their operation and/or a changing economic environment, and that is correctable. I can't post URLs here anymore, but the following is a copy/paste from an article yesterday in MSN Money:

".... the end of the temporary two-year reduction in an employee's share of payroll taxes (from 6.2% to 4.2% of covered payroll) removes a linkage between Social Security and broader government funding that program defenders are glad to see. They want Social Security to be treated independently of broader deficit discussions. The program, they note correctly, has never added a penny to federal spending deficits."

Do you want to know another government organization with waste and fraud, try the U.S. military, I saw it first hand when I was in the Air Force. Tell the fat cats in the Pentagon to get the job done with less, as with other other government agencies, or someone else will.

I agree with the GOP's desire to reduce spending, we need to, I just don't understand why they constantly hammer SS and Medicare and yet ignore so many other areas where cuts can, and should, be made.

Wow the Corrupt Corporate Democrats wonder why the Corporate Corrupt Republicans won't just "Roll Over" AND TAKE IT to their VAST and Overwhelming 51% of the 25% who votes in America.

Nonsense and Obama's Magical Gun Control Agenda ain't never going to happen...Or if it does I suspect there will be massive changes come to Washington 2014 (a mere year or two away) if not sooner.

BTW didn't Bailout Barry plainly state that was not and had never been in Agenda in 2008? Hmm just another "Lie" spewed forth at US from the month of Wall Streets Master Liar!

If I own both of my "Field Hands" why do you think that I do not control both? The Wall Street Banksters controls both "Parties" in America and the rest of this nonsense is merely a farce to confuse the Peasants Peons & Slaves!

We no longer live in a Democratic Republic since 911 we live in a openly Plutocratic Oligarchy!

Don't believe it then ask yourself....After getting Indefinite Detention without, Trial Warrant-less Searches & Spying, Killer Drones Flying in America and Presidential Kill Lists why is Obama now using Minor Atrocities to try to Disarm all of US?

“This year will go down in history. For the first time, a civilized nation has full gun registration. Our streets will be safer, our police more efficient, and the world will follow our lead into the future!” - Adolph Hitler, 1935, on The Weapons Act of Nazi Germany

Liberals and Democrats should remember there are still a lot of mentally challenged GOP conservatives around who will vote for a bag of cement with an R on it. Reading the right wing posts on this thread is clear evidence of that, and that's why we have a House majority now stuffed with a lot of bags with R painted on them, only they are filled not with cement, but excrement.

This country will inevitably move forward, because, as it has been proven, most Americans are in favor of centrist/liberal policies, but there are plenty of reactionary right wing stumps stuck in the past holding it back and keeping it from progressing as it should.

The majority of American citizens are going to remember this in 2014.

Keep telling yourself those fairy tales. The majority of American citizens did not vote for Obama, only a slim majority of people that actually voted.

Here's a little clue for you Obamanites. Just like you still bash every Republican President ever to sit in the Oval Office, people are not going to simply start "falling in line" because you wish it. People that think Obama is a train wreck will continue to do so for many years to come, no matter how much you stomp your feet and pout.

MUW Time to step up the meds....Please contact your doctor for consultation

Wouldn't it be More Productive if Our Elected Leaders Started Working Together as AMERICANS for AMERICANS and AMERICA, instead of just bickering, stalling and posturing for the next election as democrats and republicans! The American People have had it with this unproductive BS! The way that both parties having been operating for years just stinks! Neither party has really been looking out for the best interests of the US Citizens who elect them and who they're supposed to represent.

Both parties have sold out the bulk of the American citizens, who they're supposed to represent, by allowing the "out-sourcing" floodgates to open wider and wider without taking any sensible measures to stem the tide.

It shouldn't be all about Democrats or Republicans! It should be about Americans, especially our elected officials, doing the right thing for our country and its citizens. All the single-minded, left versus right, ideological one dimensional bull has got to go!

Both parties need to start working together and actually start doing something to fix the real problems in our country like "out-sourcing", illegal immigration, the out of control costs of health care insurance and our reliance on foreign fuel. If they don't start working together and actually start making progress by the next election, then American citizens should run a nation-wide campaign to vote out all incumbents regardless of party to send the message.

JimSpence

Give me a break! You guys always want to point the finger at spending and what the President hasn't done.

He does not have the power to do much more than propose a budget. It is up to both houses to make a budget, and pass it,then appropriate the money.

Ask your Republican friends in the houses if they would please stop filling bills with pork. That's what the stop gap is, and why a budget deal can not be obtained.

Ask your 67 Republican buds why they voted NO on Sandy relief, but asked for or received money for their own states disaster. This is a prime example of why things don't get done.

A basic understand of how government works would be nice in this conversation. Understand that the President does not have power absolute. There are checks and balances within our government.

I wonder how many of you watched C-SPAN when they read the bill for the fiscal cliff......Most of it pork....most of it going to red states.....I can say with certainly that the democrats didn't put that in.

If trickle down economics worked then why did we not see anything but recession in the Reagen white house...as well as both Bush's. The rich banked their money off shore and screwed everyone else, they didn't create more jobs.....That's elephant crap.

subnormal

It's because baby Bush was left with this thing called a surplus......Do your math again then tell us who spent more. If you calculate the Surplus and add the deficit spending during Bush's run, you'll find a sobering number.

He ran us into a brick wall (came in with a surplus, started 2 wars on credit, and did an outrageous tax cut at the same time, and I might add cut banking regulations to the point of the whole financial system collapsing).

It wouldn't have mattered which party came in after that, we would still be faced with the situation we are in, we will have to borrow until we can get our nation back in the surplus. How that money gets invested or spent is not solely up to the President, as there is this thing (Republican controlled) called appropriations, and the Ways & Means.

So ask your Buds to do the right thing for a change. Or are all of you that affraid that it will work?

JohnB...

One party rule? Hoe CT of you. Seems that the left has already established itself as leading that campaign. Perhaps you have forgotten the demagraphics of the last election and how the left bought votes from as many groups as they could...

Free birthconrol, lets give 800k illegals legal access to American jobs, extend unemployment bennies even though obama said that the private sector was doing fine + other "promises". In my earliest recollection of political one upmanship (probably from the late 50's the warning was given to me about politicians and government regulations...

The politician promises a "chicken in every pot" the regulators by extension of political policies say "I am from the government, and I am here to help". While we have all benefited from many regulations we as a nation have been held back by many more. Heck, financial reform and obamacare were passed early 2010, yet the regs are still being written today. An excuse for obamacare might be made that the main part won't be implemented until oct 2013. I can hardly wait for all those "uninsured" to either pay $96 dollars for not having insurance or to get those federal government "vouchers" to pay their insurance.

Yep obama and company sure believe "achicken in every pot" Unfortunately for the American people they have forgotten that LBJ's "great society" and the "war on pverty" were failures. Just think JohnB LBJ used everyones money (including SS funds). Now obama says that the top 2% will pay for everything, How droll...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_the_United_Kingdom

MUW - Is this Nazi England?..How did you survive in life to the age your are...breathe

Again if both Parties get their "Money" from the exact same Banksters on Wall Street and work hand in hand to pass Unconstitutional Laws like the NDAA2013 and the Patriot Act Extension (which Obama promised he would not sign then "Robo Signed it from Ireland) why on Earth do you think he / they will keep any other promises to US now?

Well besides the "Disarming of America" for his Corporate Robber Baron Masters that is.....I'll Guarantee he / they will try to shove that piece of Unconstitutional Nonsense down our throats!

And as I said...After the number of Children / People Killed by Detroit and countless other Corporate Products ..You just have to wonder why Wall Street Banksters want America Disarmed now?

"Those now possessing weapons and ammunition are at once to turn them over to the local police authority. Firearms and ammunition found in a Jew's possession will be forfeited to the government without compensation. Whoever willfully or negligently violates the provisions will be punished with imprisonment and a fine." - Nazi Law (Regulations Against Jews' Possession of Weapons), 1938

Unfortunately for Mr. Obama, it never really was about him personally, but his liberal policies and practices that are continuing to bankrupt our nation, drive up poverty, water down and/or eliminate constitutional right, and weaken our standing in the world. What Mr. Obama has a hard time understanding is that conservatives do not change their positions based on political expediency. We stick to principles and core beliefs, rather than shifting our principles and core beliefs to garner votes and then ignore them once the election is over.

While Mr. Obama often told the nation that we needed to control/eliminate deficit spending and debt building, his actions have run directly contrary to the positions he held on the campaign trail and in his speeches before Congress and the nation. He has been the most divisive president ever, largely because he can not follow through on the positions he takes to dupe people into voting for him. That, in turn, has caused him to try and put the blame on others, least the average Joe come to the realization that he has been nothing but a lying political hack that has used voters to push forward an ideological agenda that the majority of American simply do not share.

Conservatives have no reason to embrace Mr. Obama at this time. Now that he, Obama, is free from the constraints of having to run for office again, his leftist agenda will continue to be moved off of the back burner and placed on the front burner with the heat turned up to high. Conservatives will do best to keep Mr. Obama in check, for the good of the nation, least the damage he is inflicting upon the nation turn into long term irreparable harm.

The only other option is for conservatives to stand aside and watch as Obama drives the nation into a massive crater, as opposed to the ditch Obama was so fond of talking about. While such a tactic would surely spell the death of the continuation of Mr. Obama's liberal agenda beyond his presidency, the cost to the nation in the meantime may be to great to bear.

Steve...

If the sandy relief contained so much pork, aren't you gald that boehner only allowed the small amount ($9B?) to be passed? Of course you do! Now the remaining amount can be passed without said pork.

BTW - Do you realize that federal funds for hurricane katrina have not all been disbursed yet. Katrina 2005 and now it is 2013. Such speed. LOL!

I can already hear the responses....You guys always blame Bush for the President's failures

Remember every time we have a national election the government does not automatically roll over to the right or left and every law and policy with it. Those things are written into law and must run the course or be re-legislated.

So yes, Bush can be looked at and included in the conversation.

The majority of American citizens did not vote for Obama, only a slim majority of people that actually voted.

What?

Despite blatant GOP attempts to suppress voter turnout among the poor, minorities, elderly and students, there were approximately 130,000,000 votes cast by about 60% of the eligible voting public.

Obama did not have to win by the majority of all citizens, only by the majority of votes cast. If 40 percent of the population did not vote, let's assume half of them or 20% were Republican supporters. You have only yourselves and your apathy/incompetence/delusions to blame for losing the election!

YOU LOST. NOW FACE REALITY AND QUIT WHINING.

We have work to do in America, GOP. Either roll up your sleeves and pitch in or sit down and STFU.

Senate Republicans’ budget chief was more explicit: “I think it should be a firm principle that we should not raise the debt ceiling until we have a plan on how the new borrowed money will be spent,” Alabama Sen. Jeff Sessions told the Washington Examiner on Tuesday.

The borrowed money is going to be spent to pay for spending PREVIOUSLY approved by Congress. The GOP claims that it favors fiscal responsibility, but it is willing to let the country default on its legal obligations. Is that how Republicans run their own finances? If they argue with members of their families about spending, do they suddenly refuse to pay their utility bills and mortgages until their internal dispute is resolved? I guess lending money to Republicans is a bad risk.

KingK

You have zero idea of what you are speaking of try reading the history of your party....it even says in your history that it is ok to increase the deficit as long it is done with tax cuts and it shows how VERY much the party has changed in the last 150 years.....U are unrecognizable from the charter of the original party...LOL

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_United_States_Republican_Party

Wouldn't it be more productive if both parties worked together as AMERICANS to draft bills that could be put up for a vote together, rather than each party trying to draft their own bills an just trying to pass them as Republicans or Democrats.

Bills drafted and proposed by members of both parties as AMERICANS, rather than as a Democrat's bill or Republican's bill, would be much more likely to pass. Or does that make too much sense?

Did anyone notice that Obama got a HUGE tax increase on the 'rich' (as well as the middle class') without having to make any spending cuts - Yet NBCNews still manages to 'Blame the Republicans'?

american-2051576

That's again Elephant crap. The 76 billion dollars for the Mississippi 4th district.....Appropriated and spent.

The houses appropriated 97% of Katrina relief and it has been spent.

See: the CRS Report for Congress dated May 16, 2006

"boehner only allowed the small amount"

What? He couldn't even get his "Plan B" passed by his own party let alone 9B. He stepped aside at the final moments because he had no control or support for his own caucus.

All of these Corporate Corrupted Democrat supporters keep pointing out the supposedly the Left hand won the majority of votes over the Right hand of Wall Street so that makes Anything & Everything LEGAL!

Might I add that we also supposedly live in a Democratic Republic that restricts ANY of Our Governments by Our Constitution even that of the Obominations Administration and not in a Plutocratic Oligarchy ruled over by a Wannabee Cesar being controlled by Corporate Puppet Masters!

"The greatest danger to American freedom is a government that ignores the Constitution."~
Thomas Jefferson Third President of the United States

* should read 76 Million not 76 Billion

“What’s going to dominate Washington for the next three months here is going to be spending and debt.”

As it should. Here are the Deficits under recent Presidents;

CLINTON 1st 4 (1993-1996)= -$729,600

CLINTON 2nd 4 (1997-2000) = $409,200 (Surplus)

BUSH 1st 4 (2001-2004) = -$819,800

BUSH 2nd 4 (2005-2008) = -$1,185,700

OBAMA 1st 4 (2009-2012) = -$5,095,200 (That's 5.1 Trillion in Obama's first 4 years vs only $2.006 Trillion in all 8 of Bush's years).

Our Debt is spiraling out of control.

Obama did not have to win by the majority of all citizens, only by the majority of votes cast.

Exactly what I said.

If 40 percent of the population did not vote, let's assume half of them or 20% were Republican supporters.

That's your mistake. Assumption. 40% did not feel strongly enough about either candidate to vote for them. Doesn't matter if they were Republican, Democrat or Communist.

Want another shock to your system? Not all Democrats automatically voted for Obama, as is true with Romney as well, he didn't automatically get every Republican vote. Now's here's the part that will really screw your world view: Some Democrats voted for Romney! and Republicans actually voted for Obama! What is the world coming to! Some people actually considered their vote before just pulling the big lever for "their party"....imagine that!

So take that 40% that did not vote and a little less than half those that did, and you have close to 70% of the population that did not vote for Obama. To assume what party those that did not vote "may" have voted for is just asinine. The only "known" is that those that did not vote, definitely did not vote for Obama.

YOU LOST. NOW FACE REALITY AND QUIT WHINING.

Face reality....people still don't like your messiah, now you can quit whining when people respond to "why won't they all just bow to Him?"

They really should add a 4th category to the report option.

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I beg the Presidents pardon. Since when does a lowered temperature diminish the inclinations of a gang of fools? Conversely, the breaking of the fools fever should gain them much more collective claptrap upon which they can establish their naturally manifest fooldom.

PeterDean "Mark-337609 this is for you and Kornfed (genius)...................I know you aren't bright enough to understand this...) and then you have Social Security as we know it which wasn't put into effect till 68'/69'....So basically your reference is of ignorance or just misleading....Sometimes I think you guys are so dumb....."

Before you call other people (not) 'bright', 'ignorant' and 'dumb' (violations of the CofC, by the way), you might want to get your facts straight. Social Security (as we know it) was started in 1935 under FDR.

The president's second-term initiatives could fall victim to the same fever that killed the DREAM Act, cap-and-trade legislation, the Employee Free Choice Act and the "public option" in health care reform during his first term.

Ah, one can only hope.

It never ceases to amaze me how the liberals and the Democrats try to tell us that the people have spoken and this is it for the GOP but last time I checked, WE THE PEOPLE voted Congress in. So apparently the MAJORITY of the people in America voted for GOP controlled Congress. :)

You can't "make the GOP extinct" because then it would give all the power to one side. The liberal's ideas and agendas are poison in this economy and THEY are the ones that are destroying the middle class. It is the biggest joke to hear a liberal say that the GOP wants to destroy the middle class and bring America to a MALE dominated society again and that they are not for women's rights and yada yada yada... If anything, they want a stronger middle class because that creates a better economy WHICH IS WHAT THEY ARE AIMING FOR!! As far as women's rights go, just because they don't want you killing your unborn child because it's a "inconvenience" doesn't seem like they are against women's rights but FOR CHILDREN'S RIGHTS!! And as far as birth control, liberals made such a big deal about that one woman that was fighting for it (they were saying for her health and blah blah blah) however she wasn't using it for medical purposes she just didn't want to PAY for it! I understand it has a medical use. If it is deemed by the doctor that it is needed then YES I am all for insurance companies paying for it but if a woman wants it for her "fun time" then no I SHOULD NOT HAVE TO PAY FOR THAT!!!

The media has you all so blind right now! They spew lies about the GOP and the libs just eat it right up and then spew it back at the conservatives in a HATEFUL way. I have seen libs over the past year get hateful and when you try and reason with them they accuse you of being a racist! Seriously?

One more thing, isn't it funny how the dems are screaming at the GOP to fold and just do what THEY want and because they won't they are the bad guy but WHY can't the dems fold a little too? Why can't they meet halfway? BECAUSE THEY WON'T!!!! The Dems are a party of "My way or the highway" and whenever somebody opposes that they are labeled as being a "progress blocker" and "racist", "bigot" and whatever else they decide to throw the GOP's way.

So I lied ONE MORE THING!! I am tired of the Dems saying that because I vote GOP that I have no intelligence and if I were smart I would vote Democrat. I don't agree on EVERYTHING the GOP is doing but I am smart enough to weigh the pros and cons of the two parties and come to a conclusion ON MY OWN! DON'T believe something JUST because it is on the news. The media have an agenda too my friends.....

@ Roadhouse Blues, your tired complaint about Farm subsidies to large corporate Farms in Red States is just BS.....why? When you see 75% of the Farm bill is for Food stamps. Doesn't leave much left for those corporate farms, let alone the VAST MAJORITY of normal family farms who barely break even each year. As for the rest of it, I'll leave it for another day.

MSNBC, thanks for changing the title, the first one was pretty silly and the thread reflects it.

Tea party is intent on destroying not only Obama but the entire federal government (even if it brings down the US economy) because they have no respect for the federal government. (They need to focus on what they do best -- making meth out of their trailers being careful that the tea bags hanging from their hats do not catch fire.)

Want another shock to your system? Not all Democrats automatically voted for Obama, as is true with Romney as well, he didn't automatically get every Republican vote. Now's here's the part that will really screw your world view: Some Democrats voted for Romney! and Republicans actually voted for Obama! What is the world coming to! Some people actually considered their vote before just pulling the big lever for "their party"....imagine that!

I'm not a Democrat or a Republican. Sure, some (typically older) people vote along strict party lines, but don't assume I'm one of them. Obama was the better candidate, preferred by more than half of those who voted. That is how an election works. In order to win, you have to get more votes than your opponent. Obama prevailed. Romney-- who was never presidential material-- lost. End of story. Even if you don't like the outcome you still have to live with it, just as those of us who opposed G.W. Bush had to live through eight years of his rule.

Did you work as a volunteer on the Romney campaign to help him get elected? If not, you really have no grounds to complain about his defeat, or about the lack of voter turnout. It's better to light a single candle than to curse the darkness.

So take that 40% that did not vote and a little less than half those that did, and you have close to 70% of the population that did not vote for Obama. To assume what party those that did not vote "may" have voted for is just asinine. The only "known" is that those that did not vote, definitely did not vote for Obama.

How is that any different from any other election? American voter apathy ensures that most candidates will not earn the majority of all possible votes. Considering the clowns who made up the GOP primary field, why was GOP apathy surprising? Considering the racism and dumbing down of the electorate by conservative media, why would anyone have expected a better voter turnout for the president?

The R.W.R.T.P./Are now sneering that even though the super rich are now paying more in taxes that we the ordinary citizens are paying more in taxes too. This is and always was expected.Only you minions of the rich were saying that an increase on the taxes of the rich wouldn't solve our problem,so don't tax the rich their fair share. We, The real American citizens ,never claimed that to tax the rich would solve all of our fiscal problems. We merely insisted that those people who benefited the most should return to paying their fair share of our tax burden. They are still not paying their fair share,just more than they were. You sycophants to the rich will always attempt to earn you're rewards,even if only pats on your head as good dogies.We,the true Americans ,will finally overcome ,in spite of you're slavish behaviour to you're masters even though I know that it will not be in the lifetime of this Democratic Liberal.

Just remember taht all republican posts are dylusional!

Just remember taht all republican posts are dylusional!

...and Liberals are too lazy to even use spell check.

clwyd-2621393

Just remember taht all republican posts are dylusional!

Ah, the "their viewpoint is different than mine and they are crazy" argument. Ad hominem at it's finest and so very productive. As long as both sides engage in this, we're sure to have compromise and success in our future.

@listoire

But isn't it only the income that will be taxed? In which case the uber rich won't be paying too much more than they do now. As it is they pay more in one year then we make combined in one year.

Oh and I am paying close to 1000 dollars more starting this year. That's fantastic. It's just 1000 dollars that won't go to the economy.

Ban Guns because Criminals always obey the laws

Oh and I am paying close to 1000 dollars more starting this year. That's fantastic. It's just 1000 dollars that won't go to the economy.

If your taxes go to the government and it's given out as a contract or wages to another person and they spend it, it still goes to the economy. Just have to hope that your total $1000 isn't in the portion going to Whateverstan to study the habits of the Nonexistanthippomonkey.

Oh wow the "Tea Partiers" and the so called NEO Conservatives have destroyed America and brought Corporate Tyranny to our land without ANY help from the NEO Liberals (who are not Liberal at all) or their Masters on Wall Street!

Nonsense spewed forth once again from the Corporate Propaganda & Disinformation Machines!

Since 911 and accelerating faster with every Unconstitutional Law passed to favor the Banksters and Oligarchs and their Political Minions America slides further into Plutocratic Dictatorship!

Obama has even "formed" his Central Committee attempting to Rob US of All Of Our Bill of Rights!

1st Amendment Gone....Now we have Free Speech Zones and Freedom of Speech Bonds!

3rd Amendment Gone...We'll just take your home or property instead!

4th Amendment Gone...We don't need no more "Stinking" Warrants let lose the Drones!

5th Amendment Gone....Due Process what's that? It's Indefinite Detention for you!

6th Amendment Gone....Speedy Trial Hahahaha we'll get around to you in a year or two.

7th Amendment Gone....Right to Jury Trial, but we get to "Instruct" and "Control" the Jury!

8th Amendment Gone.....Excessive bail 10 Million isn't excessive...Cruel and Usual Water Boarding!

9th Amendment Gone.....Certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others, except of course unless we say so!

10th Amendment Gone....Each state retains its sovereignty, freedom, and independence...What how dare they well we'll just fix them!

And now Obama has set his Central Committee sights on making Our 2nd Amendment Gone...to Rob US of the only means "We The People" to Protect Ourselves from his Corporate Masters on Wall Street or elsewhere!

Let US all pray for continued stalemate and that the Left Hand continues to bite the Right Hand pertaining to their Corporate Over-Lords plans to Disarm America and every other 'Bill" that comes before Congress!

"There are men in all ages who mean to govern well, but they mean to govern. They promise to be good masters, but they mean to be masters. "~Noah Webster

arguesforsport

Just remember taht all republican posts are dylusional!

...and Liberals are too lazy to even use spell check.

And some people lack the wit to post anything other than a whine about someone else's spelling.

TO: Scott-2430263 who wrote:

"So you really want to blame the GOP for making sure Obama does not become a dictator for his failed policies?..."

President Obama's "policies" have the support of the majority of the American People and, therefore, cannot, by definition, be considered "failed" by any means.

The biggest failure in Washington are Republicans for many reasons, none the least of which is allowing us to be hit by terrorists in 2001, and then lying us into war with the wrong country.

Subsequent to that, Republicans crashed the entire United States Economy and set the American People so far back we could only refer to Republicans' economic policies as "the 2nd Great Depression".

Unless and until Republcians can come to terms with the fact that the majority of the American People reject Republican Economic Policies that ripped the American People apart, I'm afraid the Republicans just can't be trusted, because they refuse to listen to the American People, and they refuse to admit that Republican Policies have severly damaged the American People, and destroyed the United States Economy.

So yeah, even though Republicans refuse to even admit that they are in positions of "responsibility" we absolutely hold them responsible for everything that happened when Republicans were in charge and while Republicans held the White House.

@ American Girl - 50% of the American population is barely a "majority." And if the majority of them knew the truth about what's been going on instead of the Obama Media version.....things would be very, very different. Are you one of those "low information voters?"

JimSpence

Just amazed at your short sighted statement....If the middle class has no money who will buy rich people's sh_t?.......I am a medium sized business owner and I live it....Because of Bush's destruction of middle class equity....Get your empty head out of the sand......Economy won't be better than small gains and stagnation until 2018.......Equity must be restored in the middle class for short term credit to open up and the economy to move forward........The middle class currently has nothing to borrow against......Why? Tell me why? Because if you are so stupid not to know why then you need to stop posting on this thread.....The economy isn't about profit......it is about revolving cash and credit and FLOW....So wake up moron.....

Face reality....people still don't like your messiah,

Yep....LOL That's why they re-elected him, because they don't like him!!! LOL

The GOP plan is for $3 in spending cuts for every $3 in tax increase.

The President's plan is for $42 tax increase for every $1 in spending cuts. The President's fiscal cliff "deal" will make no noticable dent in the deficit at all. The fiscal cliff has gone nowhere. The "deal" has resulted in all Americans with less take home pay due to expiration of the 2-year old temporary payroll tax break, part of the "deal". This month Obamacare will result in an additional $67 per month less take home pay per month. More Obamacare gouges are on the way.

All this is compounded by the reality that the annual pay for American households has gone down over $4000 since January 2009.

A huge problem is the President is borrowing over a Trillion dollars a year from China to pay bills. The American people are paying less than half of America's bills. China is paying more than half of America's bills, and has been for the past 4 years. The President "hopes" someday to have an answer for this. Hope goes so far, and so far has gone nowhere.

We could all end up homeless with Chinese tanks patrolling the streets of America.

Great news.

Stay strong and commited to what is right. Eventualy America has to wake up from it's siesta on common sense and we can start to rebuild America into a Great Nation again. Stay alert and block these fools at every angle.

willowbrook, She is not a she, he is just using the pic to get more attention on his posts.

(1)

I NEVER, EVER Blame Bush.

I did not vote for him, so he didn't disappoint me the way he disappointed the (R) party.

(2)

The GOP plan is to continue to Run with scissors..... and NOT play well with others.

TO: willowbrook who wrote:

"@ American Girl - 50% of the American population is barely a "majority." And if the majority of them knew the truth about what's been going on instead of the Obama Media version.....things would be very, very different. Are you one of those "low information voters?""

There's nothing that could have made me vote any differently, mostly because of the experience we all suffered under the previous Republican Administration that claims they won an election with only 527 votes but still refused to listen to the American People.

Republicans refusing to admit or believe that a majority of the American People support and voted for President Obama makes no difference to me.

This isn't the first time Republicans refused to accept the truth of matters, in fact, it's become a "pattern of conduct" for Republicans to fight the majority, in favor of an "aparthied-style" minority rules dictatorship that Republicans continue to call for, and seem prefer.

It is Republicans that are famous for being "low information voters" who prefer to make thing up rather than face the truth, not Democrats.

TO: republican062578 who wrote:

"willowbrook, She is not a she, he is just using the pic to get more attention on his posts."

Keep making things up, it fits right in with the rest of the crap Republicans like to make up.

TO: ROY WILSON-336103 who wrote:

"Did anyone notice that Obama got a HUGE tax increase on the 'rich' (as well as the middle class') without having to make any spending cuts - Yet NBCNews still manages to 'Blame the Republicans'?"

Just a week or so ago Republicans claimed that the money we'd get from taxing the Top 2% wealthiest wouldn't even be a drop in the bucket and wouldn't do anything at all to help reduce the deficit.

Now here they are, claiming it was "HUGE" after all.

By the way, the tax rates are not changing for the rest of the 98% of Americans.

So take that 40% that did not vote and a little less than half those that did, and you have close to 70% of the population that did not vote for Obama. To assume what party those that did not vote "may" have voted for is just asinine. The only "known" is that those that did not vote, definitely did not vote for Obama.

If only 30% of the population voted for Obama, than even less must've voted for Bush when he got elected, considering he only won by 537 votes in Florida and lost the popular vote by 500,000. Again, how's this different than any other election?

Yep....them thar RICH-pig-licans is still a BUCKET FULL of NUT SACKS.

And some people lack the wit to post anything other than a whine about someone else's spelling.

...kind of like whining about someone replying to an insult with a poor attempt at an insult. Sorry, I consider the source, and for you to insult me, you would have to matter.

scott-579755

Please sight your source because I believe you are full of BS and while you are trying to figure where what you heard became fact ........Look read this article.......You are a clown...your party is full of clowns....and has been since a black man got into office.

http://ca.finance.yahoo.com/news/gop-eyes-jeb-bush-050100459.html

And if you doubt what I say learn your history of YOUR party and how civil rights made the parties different with loss of the "Rockefeller Republicans" and how the republican party stayed in power by using the tactic "Southern Strategy" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_strategy) You are a a the republican party is full of Goldwater Republicans. I am sure you know absolutely nothing about any of this....Because all the really good institutions of learning are in Liberal states (Harvard, Yale etc....).

ROY WILSON-336103

If you bothered to read beyond the first line of the Social Security program....It would tell you that SS as WE know it now for benifits started in 1968/69....You are corrected and ignorantly wrong.....Why don't you look at the differenses of SS between 1935 and 1969....Can't ever cure what you have (so I guess you know what I am thinking in my mind about you)

and Roy....If you don't like the truth...Then block me....I will pray to God to have back this short amount of time writing in crayon for you what I said...AGAIN.....You literally robbed me of about 10 minutes of my life repeating the same thing I said the first time....I know some people have a hard time with reading comprehension.....So I apologize if I have been using too many big words for you...

The Republicans need to learn something, something that they obviously didn't learn in 2012: the American people are tired of their bull@!$%#. Plain and simple. Americans are fed up with the GOP because frankly they have done NOTHING to help this nation. When given the opportunity to help craft major legislation for deficit reduction, they instead turned around and walked away from the deals. Republicans apparently know nothing about accounting, or mathematics in general. They do not realize that in order to balance the budget, you have to have lower spending AND higher revenues. And they definitely don't realize that not increasing the debt ceiling will destroy the economy.

Now Pay attention Roy or i'll get out the big marker

Supplemental Security Income (SSI)

SSA administers the Supplemental Security Income (SSI) program, which is needs-based, for the aged, blind, or disabled. This program was originally called by separate names, Old Age Assistance (originally Title I of the Social Security Act of 1935), and Disability Assistance (added in 1946). In 1973, these assistance programs were renamed and reassigned to SSA. SSI recipients are paid out of the general revenue of the United States of America. In addition, some states pay additional SSI funds. As of this writing, 7 million people are covered by SSI.

For some claimants, this program is harder to receive than funds from RSDI. To warrant a processing time of anything more than a day and an immediate denial, criteria including citizenship status, having less than $2000.00 in countable financial resources, or having countable income of less than $718.00 per month from any source must be met. Disposal of a financial resource can prevent a person from receiving a SSI benefit for a period up to 36 months. Every person with or without a Social Security Number is eligible to apply, however if a person does not meet any of the above criteria or is a documented resident of the United States, his or her claim can only be taken on paper and will be immediately denied. Even documented residents with permanent legal resident status after August 1996 are immediately denied unless they meet some or all of the SSI criteria listed above.

SEE POST 1965!

http://www.ssa.gov/history/ssa/lbjhistory.html try this one too Kornfed #2

The amendments for the SS program in 67' plus the addition of SSI is Social security AS WE KNOW IT TODAY

Everyone......This is what I mean about todays republicans.....They twist the truth to propagandize against the disenfranschised....I mean this is madness....Look how Roy took my verbatim words and twisted it into the beginning of SS. Ignorance and stupidity is rampant in the US and they want to cut education.....The world is crazy....Doesn't matter Texas will be a blue state in 10 years and as the wig party the republicons are going to fade into history with the generational (better educated) change.....

My hope is future Presidents from 2016 on can reverse the damage from 8 years of Obama...

My hope is that, eventually, we can reverse the damage from 8 years of Bush and Cheney!

No matter what you say or how you say it no one, in the entire 200+ years of the history of this country, has done as much damage as the Republican party for the last 12 years!

@ AMerican girl, so you "suffered" under Republican leadership? That's pretty funny considering EVERYTHING was better under GW's leadership than it is now. Only when the Democrats gained control in Congress did things start to go downhill. We had more jobs, better pay and better health care than we do now. I thank God everyday my cancer was found in 2007 rather than now. I have so much less access to care than I did then. The "Affordable Health Care" act is a farce and will ultimately fail, if it continues as it does now. Let alone, the Dems and Obama just can't get it through their heads we need more manufacturing jobs, not govt. or service jobs. They continue to do NOTHING to encourage this. They are part of the problem, not the solution.

willowbrook, which laws were passed by the Democratic Congress and signed by President GW Bush to create the economic crash?

If you can't point to that you have no argument, only a talking point.

1st of all, and very importantly, the Congress ignored GW concerning Freddie and Fannie, which was a primary factor in the mortgage crisis. 2ndly, when Obama was elected President, then is when the spike in job losses started, because Business had to protect themselves against an anti-business President. It wasn't GW's fault for those months with the highest job losses. From there on out, Obamacare, and the Stimulus was 2 leading reasons the Recession was as long as it has been. It extended the problem, instead of allowing the needed corrections early on. Couple that with the generosity in unemployment, food stamps and medical cards, we now have a group of Americans who find it easier to stay on the dole rather than take a job. That is thanks to the Democrats in Congress too. (Let alone our President's blatant support of Unions and their greed, which is also another primary reason jobs have left the country. Oh and let's not forget the money give-away to his supporters for those "green jobs" we would have been better served giving the money to the poor than squandering it on businesses that failed.)

Fact is, there were more jobs during GW's tenure than there are now. The increases on health care premiums were lower than now. People, like yourself have a short memory. Convenient for you and your agenda, but not really helpful when it comes to fixing the real problems we face.

Oh and Obamacare failing....it is due to those who put in the income from portions of the bill that in reality will not pay out. Like "CLASS" and the "Cadillac tax" Assuming this income would be there instead of realizing businesses are not going to waste their money when they don't have to was pure ignorance.

Willowbrook - You live in a fantasy land...Like at Disneyland....Your conclusions are fact less and wrong please refer to the labor department statistics as well as how ACA (Affordable Care Act) effects GDP and overall health-care cost...Like for everyone.... narcissist..and please feel free to verify the 750K a month job loss at the end of Bush's term in office (once again refer to the labor department statistics....)This is what is wrong....You are allowed to be a parrot for some nonsense you heard somewhere...and somehow that became fact......People like you are the downfall of truth and integrity.....Please crawl back under the rock from which you came from before you dumb down anybody else because they are too stupid to look up and verify your "facts". I always wonder...What do you do when you find the actual facts......Do you ignore them and lie to yourself or do you change?

Wiilowbrook - Green energy - (once again verifiable as fact) Green intuitive money ..........8% failed.....8%....ANY INVESTOR IN THE ENTIRE WORLD WOULD TAKE THOSE ODDS ON AN INVESTMENT.......92% of the US money invested is still working....This is an article on start up failure rates http://www.bluemaumau.org/startup_failure_ratesthe_real_numbers.........Try learning something instead of listen with your mouth............It as an industry is actually doing better than even I, as a business owner for 20+ years, would have thought.

HA! Isn't it funny that when the Democrats controlled congress and Republicans controlled the White House it was "Bush's fault" but when Republicans control Congress and the Democrats control the White House it's still the "Republican's fault".....

When will Democrats stop playing the blame game and take responsibility for ONCE!!!! All I ever hear about are stupid made up opinions of what is going on WHEN IT'S NOT HAPPENING! Republicans are NOT trying to make women unequal to men! Rep are NOT trying to take us back to the stone age. Democrats ARE trying to make us dependant on government and they ARE trying to accomplish THEIR agenda by getting people riled up about things that aren't true so our focus will be on those "nasty Republicans" instead of watching the party of enslavery.....

Ban Guns because Criminals always obey the laws

Because it is and has been repulicons fault and still is....LOLZ....Maybe that should clue you in...LOLZ.....See here is the metaphor for the economy I use for children....

"It is like your house catching on fire......It can burn down in a couple hours but it would take me about half a year to rebuild"

I'm sure you are just a dumb redneck spewing your hatred for the facts....and lack of understanding of how an economy works (Obviously)

PeterDean

Nah I will admit that the Republicans are FAR from perfect, but they are not the only cause for what is happening in America today. Democrats are just as much to blame but you'll never hear the media say that because they are flaming liberals.

Thanks for insulting me. Goes to show that liberals/Democrats lack the ability to hold a conversation without insulting somebody but there you go. If I don't believe like you do then I MUST be a dumb redneck because?

Oh and if you think the house fire is out you're only fooling yourself because it's still burning bright. Look at unemployment, people struggling just to continue living, part-time worker's hours being cut, businesses being closed, houses being foreclosed upon and the list goes on. I DO know that this kills an economy.

PeterDean "Now Pay attention Roy or i'll get out the big marker"

The Social Security program has had minor changes throughout its history - referencing some small changes in the 1960s did not change its basic purpose, which started in 1935 - As I stated.

I see you have a problem accepting counsel.

idiot read the amendments....you are wrong again

Ban Guns because Criminals always obey the laws

Look at your title...How could I not insult someone who doesn't even understand the economic crisis of 08'. Do you not understand key economic terms like "middle class debt to income ratio", "controlled inflationary rate", "devaluation of middle class equity of 1.7 trillion US"....Tell me something smart guy?.....How does that middle class 50K a year guy get his house paid down in 4 years so he has something to borrow against? Please tell genius.....

Roy .....Since you do not know how to use a fact checker...I'll help a little

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_Security_(United_States)

"

A limited form of the Social Security program began, during President Franklin D. Roosevelt's first term, as a measure to implement "social insurance" during the Great Depression of the 1930s, when poverty rates among senior citizens exceeded 50 percent.^[8] The Act was an attempt to limit what were seen as dangers in the modern American life, including old age, poverty, unemployment, and the burdens of widows and fatherless children.

Opponents, however, decried the proposal as socialism. In a Senate Finance Committee hearing, one Senator asked Secretary of Labor Frances Perkins, "Isn't this socialism?" She said that it was not, but he continued, "Isn't this a teeny-weeny bit of socialism?"^[9]

The majority of women and minorities were excluded in the beginning from the benefits of unemployment insurance and old age pensions, as employment definitions reflected typical white male categories and patterns.^[10]

The provisions of Social Security have been changing since the 1930s, shifting in response to economic worries as well as concerns over changing gender roles and the position of minorities. Officials have responded more to the concerns of women than those of minority groups.^[11] Social Security gradually moved toward universal coverage. By 1950, debates moved away from which occupational groups should be included to how to provide more adequate coverage.^[12] Changes in Social Security have reflected a balance between promoting equality and efforts to provide adequate protection.^[13]"

Still going to argue about its effect on GDP?......Defiantly do not know what you are speaking of.....But hey what is new.....I see ignorance in most of your word vomit...Because it defiantly isn't based on any historical fact....

and yet you will probably still tell yourself you are right and continuing to live your life in altered reality......Good luck with that Roy!

http://www.nysscpa.org/cpajournal/2006/506/infocus/p15.htm

I like this one too....It uses words such as "Major changes in Social Security"

Ban Guns because Criminals always obey the laws

Read my prior blogs....2018....no matter what happens.......The reason why I am harsh is two fold.....first, I get tired of repeating the same thing.......and I had to for you.....Second....When your dumb old dogs does something dumb....You hit it hard and fast on the nose so it doesn't do it again....

1st of all, and very importantly, the Congress ignored GW concerning Freddie and Fannie, which was a primary factor in the mortgage crisis.

So you're going to start with the most thoroughly debunked Conservative lie about the economic crisis...be my guest.

Overall, loans originated for private-label securitization have defaulted at about six times the rate of Fannie and Freddie loans.

http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2011/12/for-the-last-time-fannie-and-freddie-didnt-cause-the-housing-crisis/250121/

2ndly, when Obama was elected President, then is when the spike in job losses started, because Business had to protect themselves against an anti-business President. It wasn't GW's fault for those months with the highest job losses.

Barack Obama was elected President in December of 2007? That's when the job losses started. http://www.bls.gov/opub/ted/2011/ted_20110203.htm

From there on out, Obamacare, and the Stimulus was 2 leading reasons the Recession was as long as it has been. It extended the problem, instead of allowing the needed corrections early on.

The recession ended in June 2009, only a few months after the stimulus created some economic activity to turn around the destruction of Republican Laissez Faire economics. http://www.nber.org/cycles/sept2010.html The Affordable Care Act wasn't even signed until March, 2010. http://www.healthcare.gov/law/timeline/

Couple that with the generosity in unemployment, food stamps and medical cards, we now have a group of Americans who find it easier to stay on the dole rather than take a job.

Typical GOPTP "blame the victim" mentality. Telling people to just go get a job when there were MILLIONS more unemployed than there were jobs available is the purest of FYIGM Conservatism.

Fact is, there were more jobs during GW's tenure than there are now.

Fact is, the recovery begun early in GW's tenure was THE FIRST SINCE THE GREAT DEPRESSION in which median inflation-adjusted income failed to return to pre-recession levels before another recession started...and that was YEARS later. And comes the Conservative demographic lie. 10,000 baby boomers per DAY are retiring now. The workforce has been destined to become smaller for decades, it isn't something either party can change.

The increases on health care premiums were lower than now.

That's just a lie. 2012 saw the smallest health care insurance premium increases in 15 years.

I can't help that the facts have a Liberal bias.

Right-wing legislators can't believe Obama is still in the White House—and they're ready to obstruct him at almost any cost. What's happening is more proof that what we have in Washington is not a functioning Congress, but a one-ring circus on the far right.

The party of "no" simply cannot bring itself to reveal any positive vision of how to proceed. Rather, the approach is one of no new taxes, no health care reform, no energy policy, no legal hearings for terrorists, no to closing Guantanamo Bay, no gay marriage, no stimulus, and the list goes on. No has become a policy issue, and doing nothing and opposing everything is the tactic.

The Republican Party today is completely devoid of practical solutions to policy problems. They, quite simply, have become the "No, nothing party". It should not be lost on anyone that the first two letters in nothing are n and o.

If we fail to advance the issues, the "No, Nothings" will be rewarded for fomenting confusion and inaction, and that will most assuredly be to the detriment of the society as a whole...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/lance-simmens/the-republican-party-of-o_b_384546.html
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/01/11/washington-s-endless-civil-war.html

Colin Powell: There's a 'Dark Vein of Intolerance' in the Republican Party

http://www.salon.com/2013/01/13/sunday_show_round_up_colin_powell_on_the_gops_dark_vein_of_intolerance/singleton/

Maybe there is an deep rooted instinct in the citizen, dispite 3 generations of leftist indoctrination in public schools, that understands the system of checks and balances designed into the Constitution. It was designed to prevent factions (parties), prevent too much direct democracy and prevent any branch of the government from complete control. The only thing preventing the horror of a leftist Democratic Party take over is currently the House of Representatives.