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While all eyes remain fixated on the nation’s budget woes and the so-called fiscal cliff negotiations, President Barack Obama told NBC News on Sunday that he has more ambitious goals in mind for his second term.
In an exclusive interview with NBC’s “Meet the Press,” Obama said that there are several major issues sitting atop his agenda for the next four years, including immigration, economic growth, energy issues, the environment, and gun violence.
The president discussed efforts to address gun violence and immigration with particular urgency on Sunday.
"I've said that fixing our broken immigration system is a top priority," he said. "I will introduce legislation in the first year to get that done. I think we have talked about it long enough."
And in the aftermath of December's deadly elementary school shooting in Newtown, Conn., the president vowed to put his "full weight" behind the gun violence recommendations he asked Vice President Joe Biden to generate.
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Obama said that battle would also be fought during the first year of his second term, the success of which the president suggested would hinge upon just how searing the deadly shooting was to the public psyche.
President Barack Obama says "I think anybody who was up in Newtown, who talked to the parents, who talked to the families understands that something fundamental in America has to change."
"Will there be resistance? Absolutely there will be resistance," the president told NBC's David Gregory. "And the question then becomes whether we are actually shook up enough by what happened here that it does not just become another one of these routine episodes where it gets a lot of attention for a couple of weeks and then it drifts away. It certainly won't feel like that to me. This is something that was the worst day of my presidency. And it's not something that I want to see repeated."
Obama also said he was "skeptical" of the National Rifle Association's proposal to put an armed guard in every school, though he said he would not "prejudge" any proposals to address mass shooting events.
Those items alone might constitute an ambitious agenda for a second-term president, who, history suggests, has a limited timetable to accomplish top goals before the waning powers of a lame-duck presidency set in.
Key staffers huddle behind closed doors against the backdrop of a snowy capital as they attempt to hammer a last-minute deal to avoid going over the so-called fiscal cliff. NBC's Kristen Welker reports.
But Obama added to that list two other priorities which eluded him in his first term. He said energy and the environment would be a "third thing" on his second term agenda, for instance.
"We've got a huge opportunity around energy. We are producing more energy and America can become an energy exporter," the president said. "How do we do that in a way that also deals with some of the environmental challenges that we have at the same time?"
The president acknowledged, though, that his top priority is preventing automatic tax hikes on all Americans come Jan. 1 as part of the fiscal cliff. That battle has been playing out vividly in Washington during the final days of 2012, and directly involves the fourth priority as described by Obama: stabilizing and growing the economy.
"Part of that is deficit reduction. Part of it is also making sure that we're investing, for example, in rebuilding our infrastructure, which is broken," he said, arguing that the combination of spending cuts elsewhere and new investments would help stabilize the economy.
But Obama's ability to accomplish those four priorities — and then some — could be sapped by the protracted fiscal cliff battle, or any of the other legislative battles he might encounter along the way.
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Immigration reform, for instance, had failed to advance over the objections of Republicans during Obama's first term. He said during the campaign that he would seek comprehensive reforms again in his second term, predicting that, if Republicans fared poorly enough with Hispanic voters during the election, they might relent in their opposition to an immigration bill.
Pete Souza / White House Photo
President Barack Obama is interviewed by David Gregory of NBC's "Meet The Press" in the Blue Room of the White House, Dec. 29, 2012. (Official White House photo by Pete Souza)
In fact, the GOP did not fare particularly well with the increasingly important bloc of Latino voters, but the question of whether they would relent on immigration reform was an untested proposition.
Other tough battles that could inhibit these goals include pending Cabinet confirmations. While Obama has nominated a new secretary of state — Massachusetts Sen. John Kerry — he denied having settled upon former Sen. Chuck Hagel, R-Neb., as his new secretary of defense. But Obama also shielded Hagel, reportedly a front-runner for the defense gig, by saying he sees nothing in the former senator's record as disqualifying.
And there were other second term commitments Obama resisted; he would not commit to significant reforms to entitlement programs like Medicare and Social Security during the first year of his second term, for instance.
In an exclusive interview with Meet the Press, President Barack Obama tells David Gregory he's optimistic the fiscal cliff can be averted, lays out the goals for his second term, and also discusses the Benghazi attack and how it was handled by the administration and those on Capitol Hill.
At several points in his "Meet the Press" appearance, Obama referenced President Abraham Lincoln and the recently-released film about Lincoln's pursuit of the 13th Amendment, and the trade-offs needed to achieve that goal. Obama invoked that example on both gun control and the fiscal cliff, saying that while he was not comparing himself to Lincoln, that movie offered a lesson in the occasional ugliness of political leadership.
"A, I never compare myself to Lincoln and, B, obviously the magnitude of the issues are quite different from the Civil War and slavery," he said. "The point, though, is democracy's always been messy. And we're a big, diverse country that is constantly sort of arguing about all kinds of stuff. But eventually we do the right thing."
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Pigorance is the best word to describe these Congressional republiCONs. Christmas is already over....Cliffmas is still here, and 2 million Americans will lose their unemployment insurance in the new year so that the rich can have extra can of caviar.
Pigorance is the best word to describe your posts!!! After 99 weeks they deserve to lose their benefits, it's obvious they aren't looking for a job.
but much of the drugs from Mexico has come from South America due to American drug habits that have caused death to tens of thousands of innocent Mexicans. Instead of paying more taxes to benefit the society in general, rich Americans want to buy drugs and along the way have destroyed innocent lives in both Mexico and the US. And much of the weapons fueling drug wars in Mexico was purchased in the US due to the easy availability of guns due to the 2nd Amendment.
Hey, OO-BAMA LicenseToBore
For 'innocent lives killed', I mean innocent lives killed (some 50 thousand in the last few years), not drug dealers who have benefitted from rich Americans' drug habit that is the true evil.
With respect, Mr. President, what about jobs (despite Party of No obstruction)?
Obama has to approve things like the pipeline from Canada and other projects so the handouts stop and jobs are created!
Pigotry, it's not the "rich" Americans that are buying the drugs; it's mostly the poor, uneducated Americans.
So dumb. Blame American's drug habits. That's the same excuse the British used to keep their opium trade going until the Chinese finally kicked the drug pushers out.
Take a walk through the bible-belt, er, em, I mean the meth-belt and revisit that claim that drug addicts are from poor neighborhoods. And golly gee-whiz, let's examine who has the most amount of money to burn on drugs - would that be wealthy America? Me thinks so!!
Hey, super-x! I'm ignoring most of the ignorant, race-baiting idiots on the thread above, but your comment got my attention:
"Obama has to approve things like the pipeline from Canada and other projects so the handouts stop and jobs are created!"
Sir, I fail to see the connection.
If President Obama gives approval to Keystone XL, over the objections of Republican governors and lawmakers in the several states concerned, it will create at best some 2,700 jobs for American workers- which jobs will go away as soon as the pipeline is finished.
The flow through the pipeline (not crude oil at all, but a murderously toxic slurry of tar sand and solvents) will go to a refinery in Texas, there to be turned into end-use products (diesel, gasoline, bunker fuel, etc.) which will be shipped to our good friends and allies in, um, Red China. (Well, they sorta-kinda have free enterprise now, so that means they must love America, right? Right?) The price you pay at the pump will not be affected at all. Zero.
Please be good enough to clarify the linkage between the completion of the Keystone XL pipeline, and creating jobs and ending handouts. The audience is listening.
Oh wow, just finished watching. It was so nice to see our President shut that whole thing down. President Obama was magnanimous. Mr. President, thanks for letting David Gregory know the press should stop the false equivalency "both sides are just kind of unwilling to cooperate" blame game.
I told ya' ll a few threads back it is the GOP/T-Party to blame.
How many bills has the current 112th Congress passed? You'll be surprised. 196 bills!
Just 196 bills, easily the lowest total since the U.S. House Clerk's office started keeping track. Consider the progress in chart form, which should drive home just how unproductive the 112th Congress (2011-2012) really is:
http://maddowblog.msnbc.com/commentid-congress
DAVID GREGORY: You said that Republicans have a hard time saying yes. Particularly to you.
PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA: Yeah.
DAVID GREGORY: What is it about you, Mr. President, that you think is so hard to say yes to?
I’d say Gregory is being very subtle. Perhaps, it would’ve, sound better if Gregory had said you are an intelligent, compassionate ,Black President why can’t the Republicans say yes to you???
I'm willing to bet Gregory finally got ratings. People only tuned in to watch our President!! Gregory sucks.
Can the immigrants and free the guns.
By all means, please do share with all of us all the studies that support this most enlightening claim. I will admit, I am confused as to why we don't blame the Brits for America's drug problem considering they were apparently to cowardly to fight in Vietnam, or the apparently cowardly Swiss because they refused to fight in Korea.
Now there is a headline news story - 13M illegals are employed at the White House. Who knew? Is Faux News promoting that story? I'm not sure that even Limbaugh would make that claim, and if anyone were crazy enough to make that claim, it would be Ole Limpy!!
A delusional claim without a source. Surprise!!
"American drug habits began with drugs used to ease the pain of wounded American soldiers in all the wars that the cowards from Mexico refused to fight in."
Jeepers! I'm with you, RedDev- golly Ned, this must be the scoop of the century! Gosh, who'd- a thunk it?
As a boy, I used to watch cedar waxwings eating fermented pyracantha berries in my backyard, getting blasted, and flying into our picture windows.
My fiance used to get visits from a grizzly sow who gorged herself on fermented windfall peaches at her orchard up in British Columbia.
The desire to alter one's consciousness- to 'get high'- is older than civilization itself, and is provably not limited to humans.
In the case of our neighbour OO-BAMA, I can't help thinking that using drugs would be completely redundant at best.
Peace!
One more myth promoted by a poster that apparently knows nothing about the world-wide drug trade.
http://www.businesspundit.com/10-largest-illegal-drug-trades-on-earth/
I am tired, Tired, TIRED of Obama consistently pointing the finger at the Republicans and claim that they are the reason nothing gets done. The point of compromise, Mr President, is that both parties have to give a little...WHY should the Republicans think that you will come thru on your promise to make cuts later? Why should they believe a hollow promise when you just sent recommendations to Congress that completely wipe out any additional revenue that will be generated by tax increases. Why is it so important to you that families making $250K be called rich? Maybe in Nebraska, but it is not considered rich in my neck of the woods - well off, yes...rich no! Why did you increase the salaries of federal workers at a time when spending is out of control? Spend, spend, spend...and you expect the Republicans in Congress to believe that you will address spending cuts later? George HW Bush believed the Democratic Congress when they promised him that they would cut spending if he would only agree to a tax increase. Guess what happened? He agreed to increase taxes...Congress made no spending cuts...and he lost his job. If you want the Republicans to agree to ANY tax increases, spending cuts MUST be part of the deal. Stop putting off the difficult work and address SS and Medicare. SS ran at a deficit last year. Are you going to wait until it suffering its death rattle before you are willing to do the hard work? I am tired of the blame game. It is always someone else's fault. Obama wasted two whole years of political capital ramming thru Obamacare - something the majority of Americans are against in its entirety and which is costing most of of significantly more (that was the plan, right to force us into single payer?) - and didn't address ANY of the hard stuff. Now, you want to go after our only way to defend ourselves against those that want to trample and dispose of our COnstitution by grabbing guns? Sir, that is what the British tried to do so subjugate and castrate the colonists....guess how that ended?
One of the funniest nature shows I ever watched was a documentary showing elephants getting smashed on fermented fruit. A drunk elephant is hysterical to watch - from a safe distance. Who knew elephants liked to get drunk because Mexicans are supposedly to cowardly to fight wars.
Hey, RedDevPS upstairs - a drunken elephant? Do you mean Senator Crap-o (R-ID) who was arrested for drunk driving last week ???
So, why is it the Democrats constantly give, while the Republicans refuse to budge one inch? This story has always been, Obama throws the Republicans a bone to move them closer to the table, then they walk away because he refused to give in entirely. It is the Republicans that refuse to compromise.
Oh, and while you are making outrageous claims, please thrill us with just one example of that proves Obama has taken one step to take away your gun.
And thank you for the visual of all the kings men running after American Colonists with miniature guillotines to castrate and subjugate those revolutionaries.
And this is why America has a drug problem? You made the claim - now support it, and be sure to tell us why only Mexico refusing to fight in an American war caused the drug problem vs. all other countries that along side Mexico, refused to join in said armed conflicts.
the most remarkable thing he said was about gun legislation.... he was asked if he had the stomach for the fight that would result on trying to get another assault weapons ban when the first one didn't work....
fundamentally he took a huge step back by saying he would 'like' to get it done by year end 2013
gun control just became a bargaining chip for fiscal cliff and debt ceiling....
Hey, FoxTrotsky
I agree. There is speculation by some historians that when Moses claimed to have received the 'Ten Commendments' from 'GOD' (wink-wink), he was high...really high ... on some herb.
Yes, you said Obama outsources jobs, and the only place Obama directly hires anyone is in the White House.
I'll let your racist bigoted stereotypes stand on their own behind your invisible screen name.
Pigotry
but much of the drugs from Mexico has come from South America due to American drug habits that have caused death to tens of thousands of innocent Mexicans. Instead of paying more taxes to benefit the society in general, rich Americans want to buy drugs and along the way have destroyed innocent lives in both Mexico and the US. And much of the weapons fueling drug wars in Mexico was purchased in the US due to the easy availability of guns due to the 2nd Amendment.
Where you been. The US gov. sold those weapons to them. You cant buy those kinds of weapons legally in the US. The US gov makes to much money off the drug wars to want to stop it. It is a useless war that cant be won. Much like whats gonna happen when they ban guns here. The criminals will still have them,and the good people will still pay for it with their lives.
By allowing illegals to work here and send them packing is outsourcing jobs that legal Americans could have. He is the master of that.
OO-THE BORING (Do you actually think before you write or do you simply spew nonsense uncontrollably?)
"When OBAMA ignores 13 million illegals, he outsources the jobs they do while in the US... ILLEGALLY!"
I guess you missed the fact that Obama deported more "illegals" in his first term than Bush did in two. Why might that have been and why did Reagan grant amnesty and Bush try to. Because the people who hire these "illegals" are big agriculture, big sweat shop and rich people who want someone to care for their grounds and do their laundry for less than minimum wage - in short mostly Republicans, that's why. It's a supply and demand function. There's more demand for cheap labor here than can be supplied domestically apparently or they wouldn't come across.
"In 1951, the United states requested that Mexico send a division of troops to Korea to fight alongside UN troops, and Mexico flatly refused."
You say cowardly, I say intelligent. And you championing the UN here? Priceless!
There are two ways to fix Washington, my favorite would be vote all the bums out, none have done what we hired them to do, so fire them all. The other, my lesser favorite, but workable, is to vote conservative into the majority in the Senate, doesn't matter if they are conservative Democrats, or Republicans, but Harry Reid wants to play God, he needs to go back in the corner on the floor somewhere. It doesn't usually prove to be beneficial to the people to have the Legislative branch of the same party as the Executive branch, it creates a imbalance, as we saw with the Obamacare vote, thus we are witnessing political gridlock. This is not the first time, won't be the last. The big problem with our political system, is it is a two party system, the independents can't get enough traction to become a major party, even though generally it is the independents that are the deciding factor in elections. The big issue is, we must get rid of the national debt, it was done before, long before anyone here was born. As long as we have a national debt, we are just handing the financial institutions and the wealthy investors our tax revenue, they get 43 cents of every dollar we pay, and that is unacceptable.
We vacation every year in Mexico and have many friends there. During our last visit, had a conversation about immigration. Everyone of our friends said the desire of Mexicans to come to the US is not as much as it once was. I asked why. They view Americans as mean spirited and violent people. They said Americans are mean to other countries and to each other. They feel America was a friend to the world years ago, but now have become haters. Americans don't even like other Americans. They are very aware of the hatred many Americans have of Mexicans. I pointed out the violence of the drug cartels in Mexico. It was agreed the cartels are very violent - but it's mostly contained to isolated areas, directed at other cartels or law enforcement. They also know the largest portion of the drug profits come from the US drug use. They said many of their friends who went to the US (both legally and illegally) have come back because they no longer like it in the US.
I know many posters here will post some ignorant reply - but I found the their observations true and very sad.
Let's see it looks like immigration reform is the first thing on his agenda. He needs to create more democrat voters. Jobs should be number one but putting more on the government teat will do more for the democrats so that is the priority. This guy is just a bad joke.
Got to have more on welfare and keep them down so they have no choice but to vote for the party that will give away the farm. A day of reckoning will be coming.
Funny how Democrats always couple deficit reduction with more spending.
We will never see any spending reduction as long as the current administration is in office. The CBO originally projected ACA at 800 million over 10 years and currently has revised that number up to 2.2 trillion. With health care costs continuing to rise. Boy OH Boy we got the better of that legislation. Now that the Supreme Court has rule it a tax, so much for the middle class taxes staying the same.
So all of you Bozo's that keep voting for the Dummycrats in office currently. Keep voting the same way, some day maybe you will get your wish and live to see the fall of the U.S.A.
As I and others have said before, No Country has ever spent their way to prosperity. All you have to do is look around the world at other nations issues with socialized medical insurance and you will see their flaws and failures. Why else would people from around the globe come to the U.S.A.for treatments?
Pig,
Is there anything you don't try and blame on the Republicans? Are you really that naive to allow the liberal left-wing press to run you're entire life via liberal soundbites.
Use your brain, come up with something that actually brings positive change. Very little you bring to the table works or even matters. You're a "has been" in a party that claims to be "progressive" but in reality is very close-minded and "non-progressive".
Your party refuses to take any responsibility for their inept handling of fiscal matters so, you're now trying to overturn constitutional amendments, and for what reason? The amendment was put in place since the inception of this country. Quite frankly, in this country you're allowed to protect yourself. Why would you want to take that privilege away? And, who would you want to hand the freedom to protect ones-self to? Do you even understand the principles that are at stake and what you're willing to give away?
"After 99 weeks they deserve to lose their benefits, it's obvious they aren't looking for a job."
Is that right? They aren't trying? And you personally know this....how?
Suppose they operate some kind of sheet-metal lathe or brake-press. And that job went to China or India or the Phillipines. Suppose further, that outfits like Bain sent a hell of a lot more than just those jobs over there, too.
What do you want the out of work guy to do? Keep in mind, there are no comparalble jobs here any more. You want him to take one at Micky D's for 8.50 an hour? That sound good to you? You want this person to take a hell of a lot less all of a sudden, but GOD forbid an exec gest dinged an extra 3% or so on his/her tax liability? On an income in the millions?
Sounds like you been spending too much time in Church, but please: tell me more....
Overwhelmingly, the opposite is true.
"I am tired, Tired, TIRED of Obama consistently pointing the finger at the Republicans and claim that they are the reason nothing gets done."
Me too.
BUT- can you tell me if the 'Republicans' you reference in your post are the 'regular' ones, or the ones that swore to make the President a one-termer, no matter what?
I need to know, so I know if I agree with you completely, or not.
'K- GO:
Traffic - you provide a perspective very few far right posters here have. I think they rarely get off their front porch rockers or emerge from the basements to actually gain an understanding of the country and world as a whole. Much like they believe government fiscal policies should mirror their ability to balance their check register, there is simply no depth in understand the broader issues.
They want deep cuts spending, which will cause a recession, causing a rise in unemployment, causing all those deep spending cuts to be spent on unemployment and food stamps. How does that make sense? They completely fail to see that you first get unemployment reduced which broadens the base of tax payers, then as we see expenditures fall for social programs like food stamps, unemployment, welfare, we redirect those funds to paying off the deficit and/or balancing the budget.
You want to all but do away with gun violence? End the drug war. Or just keep counting corpses over cigars and brandy.
the democratic party is unable to make the tough choices. this will be very damaging to America in the long term
"Democracy has always been messy" IS NOT AN ACCEPTABLE "EXCUSE" (because it was NEVER intended to be and doesn't have to be; especially as much as it has been in the past 12 YEARS!) AND "EVENT"UALLY is an OVERUSED PENDULUM TERM that has kept The People in a WRONGFUL STATE of "suspended EVENTUALITY" (THAT being nothing more than when it's GODDAMN GOOD AND CONVENIENT AND BENEFICIAL TO AND FOR THE POLITICIANS, INC AND NOBODY ELSE).
The ELECTION is OVER (NOT THE TRAUMA of it). There is NO NEED for this President to continue to make "LAME DUCK" EXCUSES FOR "LAME BATSH!T AND CORRUPT WASHINGTON" and it is a continued INSULT TO INJURY to "MINIMALIZE and EXCUSE" at the cost of MARGINALLY "MINIMIZING DEMOCRACY" like that. It's INSULTING! All Mass Shootings are MESSY, too; does that EXCUSE them and make them not as bad as they are????? That kind of thinking and too-detached attitude is how short attention spans that ONLY MATTER FOR A COUPLE OF WEEKS come into being!
"Are you really that naive to allow the liberal left-wing press to run you're entire life via liberal soundbites....."
HEY! Leave FOX and all the am talk-radio outlet out of this, ok? (uh....wait.....)
Ban all guns now before more children get murdered!
then as we see expenditures fall for social programs like food stamps, unemployment, welfare,
There is pretty much zero benefit to getting off the government tit in this country. What our government and you libs consider 'poor' is pretty much the average middle class standard. Last I saw, 'poor' people don't wear tennis shoes worth 100s of dollars, have big screen tvs and gaming consoles. Since you all are giving my dollars away for free, why should they get a job?
Lol cause if you kick the illegal immigrants out who do pay taxes hell even run businesses Americans will want to work construction for under minimum wage... Riiiiiiight. Cause you definitely wanna be the guy working construction in over 100 degree weather in Texas XD or California... Please keep going tell me more about how you'll actually have a job if you take the hardest working individuals out of this country :P
Obama couldn't be more questionable.. His stance against Weapons just went ahead and set records of sales and activism for them... I can't tell if that was his plan or not but either way he's trying to score political points -_-
Gop/Dems failed this country, each is an obstructionist in their own way. Enough with the biased finger pointing.
Yes Ban guns, cause before guns nobody ever killed anyone... Nope. Heck make us all entirely dependent on the government for protection, we can't even replace the government at that point if it is just violating rights XP The Patriot act and the NDAA are not examples of reason to be more cautious these days. Go on. XD
IF we ban guns, then all the mental cases intent on killing will just have to turn around and go home cause they can't think of any other way to kill.
ACtually poor people do have big screen tv's and consoles... A consoles are not expensive, B the way credit works, people buy everything they dont need with money they don't have to please people they don't like... It's that sense of I need to have an Iphone when I can barely pay rent because I lack the ability to differentiate between a necessity and a luxury. That is the problem.
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pigtry is swill drunk
obama is not black, my God people he is a scumbag and has done nothing but ruin America. Why would you be proud of him if you are black, because being black means being a racist. When you voted for obama because he i "black" you are the worst kind of racist.
its good to see a second term agenda seeing he didnt have one his first term. oh wait his second verse same as the first play basketball more golf lets not forget the talk shows and more vacations. wish i could i could go to hawaii oh wait i could if there was only more work!
The scumbag that ruined America is Reagan. The backbone to this countries success was the working class. When Reagan and his conservative think tank ALEC folks relegated and reduced the American workforce to nothing more than working capital for the wealthy, they snapped the the countries backbone and we have been mostly paralyzed ever since.
So, Binkie , we better ban cars too so more kids aren't killed. Stupid chants like yours don't address the real problems but I'm sure you feel better now that you "did" something. Liberals...................
Wait till America sees how much obama's fat ugly wife and her 2 little sows steel from the people this next term. Michelles 2 little piglets (hamlets?) go to a private school, they never worry about violence in their school. Michelle will take twice as many vacations this time around as last.
Why, yes, they have. Has America ever thanked Mexico for all the cheap labor it supplies?
When losing an argument, make sure you bring the innocents in as ammo. Don't you all love cowards who use children as their shields of 'steel'?
Fiscal cliff: Barack Obama's trap for Republicans
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America's reckless politicians may still take the country over the cliff into an uncertain land where recession looms.
But President Obama has sprung his trap. The Republicans are in a corner - over a barrel - although perilously unaware of their plight. Before the election, during the election and since his victory, he has insisted the rich must pay a little more in taxes. It is a policy that appeals to his party but doesn't really make much of an economic impact. But its purpose is political, not fiscal.
If Republicans vote it down, they will be directly voting to bring in a tax rise on "ordinary Americans".
But enough may realise that Mr Obama is manoeuvring to stick their party in aspic and stop them changing in the wake of their defeat in November. He would stick a label on them that would brand them not only out of touch, but so fanatically wedded to the demands of the rich that they are unconcerned about the damage they could do to their country and its people.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-20869137
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Good bye repubs, have fun flying over the cliff. If a person in another part of the world can see it why can you. You cannot damage this President or his legacy. Learn something more people want the rich to pay higher taxes.
Democrats, which Obama would you like us to believe?
"The fact that we are here today to debate raising America's debt limit is a sign of
leadership failure. It is a sign that the US Government cannot pay its own
bills. It is a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from
foreign countries to finance our Government's reckless fiscal policies.
...Increasing America's debt weakens us domestically and internationally.
Leadership means that 'the buck stops here'. Instead, Washington is shifting
the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and
Grandchildren. America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership.
Americans deserve better." SENATOR BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA, MARCH 2006
Bev,
Learn something more people want the rich to pay higher taxes.
Well of course they do, its not coming out of their pockets. That's how California got their recent tax increase.
I disagree with this article entirely.
The 'fiscal cliff' is an artificial deadline we've created for ourselves. If we don't cut the budget by this date, then we'll force ourselves to cut the budget. And of course there's a revenue aspect as well. So the so-called cliff is a silly over-simplification of a lot of more serious fiscal issues.
Seems like few from either side of the aisle can deal with serious issues, without attaching silly labels to silly parts of them. But that is what it is.
Anyway, the real disagreement comes from the notion that we're only an agreement away from putting this fiscal thing behind us, upon which the president can move onto other issues - because in these ADHD times, we just aren't comfortable unless we can constantly divert attention to something new.
The issues of debt and deficit will be us for years to come. This will be the defining economic issue of the century (not just in this country, but throughout the developed world). Debt is a bigger threat to our national security than arguably anyone in the world was during the 1940s.
Our debt/GDP ratio is now over 105 percent, and I believe has reached the point of where we can't keep spending but can't stop spending, because of our economy's dependence on public expenditures. Given the demographic train wreck we've only known was coming for 50 years (boomers retiring), and given how we haven't prepared for that one iota in all those decades, the coming years will be interesting to say the least. A true bi-partisan failure of huge magnitude and implication.
Again, we're not alone in that situation, and much of Europe actually is further along the downward spiral.
So whether we reach a cliff-averting agreement now or not is really just an issue of whether we can overcome partisan silliness for the purpose of only kicking the can down that road a few more months or years.
"Yes Ban guns, cause before guns nobody ever killed anyone..."
No, don't ban ALL guns. See, here's part of the huge disconnect going on: NO ONE is advocating 'gun' control. Just 'Assualt-weapon' control. Quote me some 'gun control' innitiatives that are centered on my 22, or my 12 Gauge, or even the old 9MM. Didn't think you could.
By the way- I get the 2nd ammendment. When the gubmint had muskets, WE needed muskets. When the gubmint had six-shooters, WE needed 'em too. and on and on and on. SO- when the gubmint acquired low, or medium, or high-yield nuke's, WE shoud have acquired them too.
See the logic?
Really, NO attempts to 'tweak' the 2nd ammendment are in order? Really? Tell me more......
And for those that wonder how we are ever going to break this gridlock, I have an idea:
Mr President- come out IN FAVOR of NO limits on 2nd amendment 'rights', and watch the bat-@!$%# crazy conservativse automatically go in the other direction.
Sheeee-it, don't they ALWAYS??? In opposition to what's best for ALL of the citizens of the United States of America??
What an arrogant POS! This disingenuous, lying bull sitter has got an agenda, somewhat hidden prior to the election, that is becoming more and more transparent each day... as opposed to the internal scheming, cheating and rules bending within the administration, which remains opaque as ever. May he rot in hell!
Obama's second term agenda? That's easy, same as his first term agenda: destroy our capitalist system and turn us into a European style socialist state.
To put the fiscal cliff is perspective, the 'stick' we're holding over our own heads for failure to avoid the cliff is called sequestration.
Sequestration is roughly a 10 percent cut to discretionary spending (actually closer to 9 percent, because non-defense accounts, which are around half of discretionary spending, would only be cut 8 percent).
Look at the numbers. That comes to a saving of like $150 billion. That's it. Add in the higher taxes, and we're probably looking at $50 billion a year in extra revenue. Altogether, that reduces the annual deficit $200 billion.
And that's worst/best case. Best because it's the most we can get. Worst because most economists are saying that level of expenditure cut and tax increase would be recessionary, which of course would add more fiscal pressures.
Our deficit is well over a trillion. Even sequestration isn't going to do more than modestly slow the increase in debt/GDP ratio.
When you look at the numbers, and learn to become comfortable with all those zeroes, you can see this is a daunting national problem, for which there are no easy and short-term fixes. This will probably be our reality for as long as anyone reading this message has remaining life expectancy. Sorry to post that as we're preparing to celebrate another happy new year, but as mentioned, it is what it is - and First Read guys don't seem to have the capacity to tell us about that.
Spider, the problem started building long before Obama came along. Decades of fiscal irresponsibility on both sides of the aisle. In fact, one reason I had little interest in this last election is because it was a relatively inconsequential election. The hole is so deep, it really doesn't matter much at this point who is heading the executive branch.
Perhaps someone should give a 'Priority' to the looming fiscal crisis.
Here are the ending National Debt figures for the last 32 years;
Carter = $909 Billion, an increase of $289 Billion.
Reagan = $2.601 Trillion, an increase of $1.692 Trillion.
Bush 1 = $4.002 Trillion, an increase of $1.401 Trillion.
Clinton = $5.629 Trillion, an increase of $1.627 Trillion (about same as Reagan).
Bush 2 = $9.986 Trillion, an increase of $4.357 Trillion.
Obama = $16.338 Trillion, an increase of $6.352 Trillion (so far, as of yesterday).
And now for the future;
Obama's projection for 2016 (his last year) = $20.374 Trillion, an increase of $10.388 Trillion.
Source - Obama's 2013 Budget Historical and Projected figures.
foxtrotsky...
Please put your thinking cap on...
Concerning the xl pipeline and 2700 jobs gone once completed. Too bad you don't look at the bigger picture of the multiplier affect these jobs give to the local economy and to the vendors suppling materials. That is the nature of the construction beast. Here today and gone tommorow with only service personel having the longterm employment. Guess what, construction personnel understand that without contracts, they are out of work. Then you ignore the fact that if the economy grows there will be other construction jobs to go to.
BTW - It is more efficient to transfer fluids long distancer through a pipeline to a major distribution point or refinery than by truck or rail. Unless of course you are Warren Buffet or other large investors in trucking and rail services.
To go along with my Post #1.78 above, here is information on the Debt Ratio (defined as the amount of Debt as a percentage of Income - Normally, a person does not qualify for a home loan if their Debt Ratio is over about 35%)
And now for the Debt Ratio figures = National Debt as % of Gross Domestic Product (GDP);
Carter average = 34.3%
Reagan average = 40.4%
Bush 1 average = 58.4%
Clinton average = 64.2%
Bush 2 average = 62.6% (Yes, it WAS lower than under Clinton)
Obama at end of 2012 = 107% of GDP
Obama projected in 2016 = 119% of GDP
Lenders stopped lending to Greece when their Debt Ratio got to 120%, and now they have EXTREME austerity and riots, and their Unemployment Rate is over 30%. Our Debt Ratio will be there in less than 4 years.
Does anyone see a problem here?
My next post will show the REAL problem with our Debt.
I have just researched the problem with health care entitlements, and it is far worse than most people imagine. I used the President's own Budget (OMB) for 2013 as the basis for the basic information, and here are the results; I welcome comments and/or proposed solutions.
The projected Revenues for Medicare/Medicaid over the next 10 years are $2.823 Trillion.
The projected Costs for Medicare/Medicaid/Obamacare over the next 10 years are $11.134 Trillion.
That leaves a net Deficit in the Medicare/Medicaid/Obamacare programs of $8.311 Trillion, which is even greater than the total projected Federal Deficits of $6.684 Trillion over the next 10 years. In other words, if we did not have a Deficit from health care, we would have a budget SURPLUS of more than $1.6 Trillion over the next 10 years.
Obviously, something needs to be done with this HUGE 'entitlement problem', but Obama has conveniently ignored the problem in his Budget projections, and will demonize any Republicans that try to address the problem (Rep. Ryan).
It's a shame that the media does not give us the information that we need to make intelligent choices. Here's the link to Obama's Budget to verify - See Table S-5
http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/omb/budget/fy2013/assets/tables.pdf
I welcome comments and/or proposed solutions. I'll check back later - football games are on.
Bye
Hey, retiree, how about you get off the couch and go find a job, or create some jobs so them evil unemployed folk can get a job. Oh, right, you can't be bothered because you're retired... Yep, you got yours, so to hell with everyone else.
Roy Wilson, the President does not pass or enact the Federal Budget. That is the job of Congress. Trying to claim otherwise is not just disingenuous -- it is stupid.
Now go watch your precious football while your neighbor's children go hungry because their parent(s) are unemployed.
OIC Beverly in CHICAGO and PIGOTRY leading once again the liberal circle jerk on newsvine.
Hey Beverly... guess what 813,000+ pages of laws on the American books and you WANT MORE CONTROL AND OTHER PEOPLES MONEY - Let me retort to your LEAST productive congress bullcrap....YOU CAN GO SCREW YOURSELF. You better stay in your neighborhood and clean up the @!$%#HOLE of America called Chicago...before you comment on national politics...
oh and Pigotry... once again you are just plain ol' disgusting as usual. Even commenting about how disgusting you are on newsvine is disgusting... do you ever say anytthing worth while or even attempt to help??? NO! You just yell, scream call names and general TROLL NEWSVINE FOR THE LIBERAL MEDIA PERIOD.
I am sure you will
blowlove the commander panderer in chief when Obamacare kicks in...*snickers*the largest different in supporter between the democratic and republicans is education level. over 65% of college educated voted republican
I believe you can summarize the democratic party as the party of the ignorant and single issue voters
Hey Barry Solito aka Obama or whatever you want to call yourself get off of your ego and ENFORCE the CURRENT IMMIGRATION LAWS THEN THINK ABOUT REFORM. This man seems to help the ILLEGALS break more laws than enforce them. And while you are at it keep your hands off of my social security I PAID INTO THAT AND IT IS MY MONEY.
@pigotry And much of the weapons fueling drug wars in Mexico was purchased in the US due to the easy availability of guns due to the 2nd Amendment.
can you say FAST and FURIOUS ? Not the 2nd amenment.....Eric Holder and his little buddies.
Yep the anointed one wants gun control like in Chicago what is that 500 + deaths do to guns and they do have gun control but in who's favor. Create jobs like the first term in China?? Now he jumps on the band wagon about Oil and exporting it. Geez that will do us good NOT only jump up the price more then it is. Yep he da man
The Quacked One "Roy Wilson, the President does not pass or enact the Federal Budget."
You must be confused - I never claimed that he does.
PS - The Democrats in the Senate, which has not even attempted to pass an annual Budget for several years now, is part of Congress.
cheetah-822547
Can the immigrants and free the guns.
#1.21 - Sun Dec 30, 2012 8:10 AM PST
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Cheetah, that's exactly the sentiments of America's white supremacists, and I'm certain that all of them originate from immigrant families -- as far as Native American Indians are concerned. And oh BTW, NAI's are another demographic that white supremacists also hate. Last I heard on a talk radio show, many of these supremacists vote Republican.
By your implied logic and buzzword catch phrases then, shall they -- as well as all of us -- be exterminated by the use of an unlimited, unregulated amount of guns on the streets, as well?
I think its time for a civil war...
ok Kornfed, why don't you grab your AR-15 and fire the first few rounds big guy?
An agenda that pledges rewards and special treatment for immigration lawbreaking represents a commitment to subvert American law.
A GOVERNMENT WHICH REFUSES TO ENFORCE ITS OWN LAWS IS INTOLERABLE!
PRober
Pull your pants down and bend over...I'm not a very good shot. The bullseye helps me
Great, that means, let me regurgitate what he said:
1) first we tackle immigration
2) then the guns
3) followed by energy and environment
4) and last of all, he will attempt to stabilize and grow the economy.
Somewhere in-between, he will have to find time to blame the GOP for everything, slip in the “Fiscal cliff “stuff and continue tough battles to confirm his Cabinet. Unfortunately for many, he would not commit “to significant reforms to entitlement programs like Medicare and Social Security”
I hope he’ll have sufficient time to tackle point 4, because there are millions of Americans who would love to work but can’t find a job. Maybe the economy will fix itself!? So while we are all waiting for something to happen, let’s hope the President, the people’s President, can deliver his 2nd term agenda on time.
Gee it’s not easy being a President and having to do it all, single-handedly. I get tired just thinking about it.
Immigration and gun violence top presidents post-fiscal agenda.
Hey Barrack, how about the real problems?
Where are the jobs?
Fix the economy.
How about things like,,,
Trade reform
Real tax reform, not this adolescent punishing the mean rich bogeyman with inconsequential rate increases.
Regulation reform.
Decrease Union intervention.
A true energy policy.
wtw of KC
Once he destroys everything else there won't be any need to tackle point 4.
The economy will just collapse, just like Barrack Hussein wants it to.
Mr. Binkie
before we ban all guns might want to read this
http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2012/12/media-quiet-about-san-antonio-theater-shooting-2524596.html
and what do you say now??
AAAAHHHH the Presidents Christmas list. He continues to wish for things as he has for the last 4 years but has no clue how to acheive them. He is like a spoiled kid pointing at the the Republicans when he getson TV and says something like " tThose mean ole Republicans,They won't give me what It want" Those mean ole Republicans were sent to offfice to stop the deficit spending and bring the budget under control. Many of you are not seeing the big picture of the real crisis we are about to have IF Obama gets what he is after. When he says "we have to have a balanced approach to the debt problem" and then his proposal is to raise taxes on more well off people but AT THE SAME TIME ask for $1.6 trillion in more spending, he is not presenting a "balanced " approach. What he really is saying is" I and the Democratic party , want to spend even more money than we are now so we have to raise more money. Since I can't produce jobs for the working class it has to come from the wealthy"
This President is the poorest excuse of a leader we have ever had. He is one of the best speakers however.His words sooth his followers and raises thier spirits but they fail to motivate his non followers. Other presidents were more successful at wheeling and dealing because they were able to speak "with" thier opponents not "at" thier opponents. Until President Obama learns that he is just the President of the United States not the dictator of the the United States he will continue to fail. Congress is the balance of power in this country. No President has unlimited power but this President has pushed the limits pretty hard.
Hey, here's a better idea. No civil war, just succeed, this time we wont object. see ya. let all the dems move north and repubs move south and we all live happily ever after. You can even keep the flat tops and the nukes. bye bye, have a glowing nice day.
musician by night
"Will somebody please put a bullet in him."
Put a bullet in whom, 'musician by night'?
(...Anyone have a clue who he's referring to)?
Good luck getting anywhere with the current crop of House Republicans still bent on refusing to work together on anything. The Party of No must go before we see any accomplishments.
Just stop spending bam bam (no respect intended) ... either compromise or find a way to pass laws only for your SOCIALIST constituents - remember there are 47% of the people that truly despise the ground you walk on.
Pignorance, you are a internet troll and nothing more.
Is there a poll to support that? Nah, in fact polling suggests that anywhere from 52% to 57% approve of the job he is doing. There is no poll that supports 47% DESPISE the President.
The poll was in November!
Oh really, this article from 2 days ago says otherwise.
John-1111750
"Pignorance, you are a internet troll and nothing more."
....he said, as he posted a comment, making fun of another poster's 'moniker'....
"How long would OBAMA last as president of a Latin American craphole?"
Sorry, I'm not 'RedDev', but...
I believe the question is irrelevant, in that a 'craphole' did not elect him to lead OUR nation in free and open elections.
Next....
And, what is the price of tea in China? Relevance?
Just stopping in to take a peek at the latest ranting's.
Looks like our friends on the Right have gotten a shiny new Karl Rove Blogging Playbook for Christmas.
Same-old Lame-old drivel.
Some New Year's wishes:
I believe 2013 is going to bring a lot of changes to America for the better.
Let's hope there is no more gun violence on our Precious children.
Let's hope all our Fellow Americans out of work (especially in the housing and construction industry) find new jobs.
Let's hope all of us start getting salary increases to not only keep up with inflation, but to keep up with everything that has gotten more expensive, so we can all live better lives.
Let's hope our congress can return to the days where they do the work of the American People instead of the rich and powerful lobbyists.
Happy New Year to all my fellow Liberal Columnists!!!
And a Happy New Year to all my fellow Republican columnists as well.
God Bless President Obama and his wonderful wife and children.
God Bless us all.
P.S. Please take a moment on New Year's Eve to raise a glass to Dick Clark. If you're as old as Tomas, than you grew up with the man that changed music and our New Year's Eve's forever.
Be safe, DON'T drink and drive.
See you in 2013.
Salud
If it weren't for the Republicans the low life trash monorities, that won't work, would be getting even more handouts. Obama wants to give poor blacks and hispanics everything they have never worked for. The rich democrates think that is great because they will be the ones handing out the money. If you want to keep what you have - resist the democrates at every turn.
We always hear about non-working liberals, yet the largest receiver of non-working benefits are those in red-states, meaning more liberals work to provide benefits to non-working conservatives. Now, should we call those conservatives lazy, low-life, drug addicted trash? It seems turn about is fair play!!
" If you're as old as Tomas, than you grew up with the man that changed music and our New Year's Eve's forever..."
I like the way this sounds, Tomas.
Easy to read, easy to digest. Easy to just go along with in general.
I give it a '10'..
Happy New Year Tomas:
Slainte
tonybeerbelly: This POS president must go before we see any real accomplishments out of congress!!!
First of all Spanish was spoken on the North American continent before English. Secondly if you were to live, let us say in Spain what language would you feel most comfortable speaking? Would you willingly speak Spanish?
The war on drugs has been going on for decades and previous Administrations provided tons of talk but little else.
Ronald Reagan pardoned all illegals here signaling that it is okay to come here as you will eventually be allowed to stay.
Obama inherited the problem and has actually put more guards on the border than any other president. There have been more Latinos crossing the border North to South under Obama than any other recent president. Unlike others he has tried to work WITH the Mexican government to take action on their side of the border.
Hope ...LOL...and Change ...LOL
Obamacare is kicking in and they want to screw with your SS also... good luck with that HOPE and CHANGE...
I hope everyone stops being takers and start giving to this nation... with there integrity, honor and pride, and not more entitlements... freedom is NOT free.
Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country. Which one do you think liberals choose?
Hey is the logical fix for the U.S.problem.
1. Stop all legal and illegal immigration
2. Remove all illegal immigrants.
3. All people who are unemployed will have to apply for the jobs that were held by illegal immigrants.
The unemployment rate went down only because of discouraged workers didn't look for work. The real number of unemployed is not the 11 million but 22 million and the source for that real number of U.S. unemployed is the U.S. government. Never in our history has 42% of the population had to use food stamps. And never has the male black unemployment rate increased by 100% in 5 years.
Maybe Obama should try to chew gum and walk at the same time and learn how to lead. then work on immigration and gun laws. He did not lead on Obama care just ram it through and like it or go some where else and live. Immigration will be the same ram it through this time the GOP is so afraid of there own shadow they will pass anything just to get 15% voting block to like them. But you don't hear anyone giving credit to the GOP for freeing the slaves back in the 1860's now do you.
All right already - I think by now we GET that David Gregory scored an exclusive interview with the President this morning. Yippee skippy! Could you at least clip a different picture from the video? This one's already old and Meet The Press hasn't even come on yet!
You noticed they had a picture of McConnell to remind Kentucky and the world what a joke Kentucky is, and they keep playing the same joke on themselves by reelecting him.
You apparently reelected bambam ... jokes on you
Yes I voted for our President Obama, no joke there just common sense.
the two front runners corporate america gave them to vote for...were bad and worse...you made a bad choice...you could have made worse...
I am curious to see if the republicans fight against immigration reform this year? Speaking of political suicide. Maybe they will real the demographic charts and see that are losing voters by the 100,000s of thousands. We have already turned CO,VA, FL and NV to the good side (democratic Duh). Next up would be NC and AZ. Just how far do the republicans want to fall?
good side or Socialist side? yours to answer
You do realize you're just as much a socialist as everyone else in this country MinnesotaJW.
MinnesotaJW.......false choice for you, sport. The Demographics are a reality and it is in conflict with the far right's views. Markenbecker is right. Your party isn't going to survive until it comes into line with an evolving country about a sensible immigration policy.
The 'jobs' that you imply they are taking are ones, that BECAUSE of their illegal status, get paid LESS than the minimum wage, no benefits and long hours.
If Americans wanted to do many of the jobs immigrant labor do (and many say studies say they would not), then the employers (acting against the current law) to hire them would have to pay more for labor, benefits and adhere to worker safety regulations.
Employers hire them because to keep their costs low. Hiring 'real Americans' would result in higher labor costs and of course the subsequent rise in the price of groceries. We must accept that in order to get illegal workers out of our workplaces, that there will be an economic hit in the form of inflation. Nothing is without a cost on this issue. That's why it has to be reasoned and careful legislation
It seems to me unless their is an outcry for Americans to accept the minimum wage, long hours, no benefits model the immigrant workers accept, then the 'stealing our jobs' argument fails. We have already seen what chasing out immigrant labor in North Carolina did to their agriculture production. Crops rotting unpicked in the fields.
Until all orchard owners, farmers, ranchers, chicken and beef processing plant powers that be stop hiring them, then the perceived problem continues.
The reality of economics, the changing demographics, employer desire for cheaper labor and an American society that does not, when it comes down to it, want to pick apples 12 hours a day for minimum wage no benefits and no worker safety protections.
We need a path to citizenship that is ordered, incremental and secured. We must recognize the value of immigrant labor to our agricultural economy and Create a legal, secured path to seasonal immigrant labor. And yes, anyone illegal and not on one of those paths should be deported. Its better and cheaper to deport those who don't play by the new rules than foolishly think you can deport ALL illegals.
If the GOP doesn't get it soon and show it by evolving their thinking on immigration reform, then they are doomed to be forever outside the mainstream of an evolving American society
What is most telling is obama and companies consistant courting of anyone who will help them maintain political office.
A saying from my youth and taught in part in the k-12 grades at some point is the politicians promise of "a chicken in every pot".
When the money runs (either directly or by subsidy) runs out, then what? Every passed regulation means that the private sector pays more and realizes a diminished return or a government employee gets an unfunded benefit. Really not difficult to look down the road and see whats coming. Perhaps someone should tell obama to turn around and look to where we are going rather than to look backwards and think the old ways are the better ways.
2lanegypsy...
Historically labor cost to produce goods were low compared to all other costs associated with making that good. Today, labor costs the most so your lame attempt at asking the question about working 12 hrs/day at min wage, tc, etc is a false argument.
The rise of walmart, dollar general, etc has little to do with a workers wage and everything to do with tghe sellers price. Think the majority of those in any pay classification could afford buying the same goods they buy today if the sellers cost increases to pay them more? Who really pays when the costs exceed the selling price? Have a twinkie lately?
Yes, children of illegal immigrants would certainly help turn states blue. That's why Obama wants them.
I think that you would find more American citizens would be willing to do the work the ILLEGALS do for minimum wage than any of you are willing to admit. And of course the polls are skewed in favor of keeping the illegals because the employers don't want to pay unemployment taxes and hold out the social security and income taxes. Most people don't realize that employers pay unemployment taxes on how many employees they have and therefore if you have more employees off of the books you are paying less to the unemployment pot and screwing the government and taxpayers out of money. I don't care what politicians of either party says this problem is being caused by BOTH parties and the ego in chief insisting it is his way or no way, he is way too full of himself, he was elected president not God. We need to work on getting the economy straightened out before making more illegals legal. Fix Americans problems and let Mexico fix it's own. In my opinion Reid looks like a little wimp and Boehner like a snob and Obama like a snob just an opinion don't know them just how they seem to come off. Obama we are stuck with for 4 more years maybe the other two we can get rid of soon (hopefully).
No sh!t!! They also didn't fare well with women, blacks, gays and people barely making a livable wage. In fact, I'd venture to say the only bloc they truly dominated were angry white males seeing the end of their domination of power.
Dear NBC:
David Gregory has turned a once proud and excellent program, MTP, into dreck. What, at long last, are you going to replace him with a more erudite host that actually has a personality? His term on MTP is an insult to the memory of Tim Russert.
Please...find a better host. I don't watch MTP any more, for any reason. Can't stand Gregory, who is banal and facile.
Thanks, and happy New Year!
I agree NDD. I have no use for Gregory. If NBC ever gets rid of him, I'm sure his first interview will be with FOX.
It would be a better fit for him, tony.
I agree, and he appears to be a hypocrite. How can he argue/discuss the issues of the times when he sends his children to a private school with armed guards? He appears happy to expose the hypocrisies of others, but not address those of his own/his wife's. Interesting.
tonybeeerm
tony,
Since Gregory repeats FOX NOISE talking points in a skewed fashion, he'd be a lot more liberated over @ FAUX NEWS.
HAPPY NEW YEAR to you and newday!
Same to you Beverly.
Happy New Year, Beverly! Hope your Christmas was a merry one!
tonybeeerm
"No sh!t!! They also didn't fare well with women, blacks, gays and people barely making a livable wage. In fact, I'd venture to say the only bloc they truly dominated were angry white males seeing the end of their domination of power......."
And everything seems to be going to sh!t too....no denying that. The republicans are more or less fall guys now, just chew toys to blame for anything that goes wrong in the theater of politics, at this point. Bush II and his congress left me so pessimistic of the republicans, I don't have any faith in the current admin and congress either... I have lost faith in the public as well, as they take sides like pawns in this dirty game of divide and conquer, manipulation, and deception.
NDD, Tony, Bev and others. I agree that Gotcha Gregory is distasteful as host of MTP.
I haven't watched for months and have no intention to do so.
How is it that David Gregory is even able to conduct this interview when clearly he should be in jail for possessing the 30 rd magazine he showed to Wayne LaPierre? C'MON SHEEPLE!!!! I thought those were illegal in D.C.?
"No sh!t!! They also didn't fare well with women, blacks, gays and people barely making a livable wage..."
....'Human Beings' in general....OUR fellow American Citizens in general.....
the only group the republican party really represents are the intelligent people. the type of person who sees the tough choices are the only choice for America in the long term
chilled, It is so difficult to watch him he is such a Republican tool. Happy New Year chilled
@ newday thank you we had so much fun Christmas. Now I have to get ready for New Year
@OO-BAMA LicenseToBore
Since OBAMA refuses to defend American law, (THAT"S HIS JOB, BY THE WAY), he is no longer America's president.
OO-BAMA LicenseToBore Idiot ,
You have your facts botched. In order for you to illuminate let me educate you.
Who got:
a. the underwear bomber
b. the Somali pirates(2x)
c. bin Laden
Bush let bin Laden go and said he didn't care where bin Laden was. I have it on tape:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xLTz-p0ZYKc
Bush was truly not cornered about bin Laden. All Dubya wanted was to get lucrative war contracts for his puppet master; Cheney and Iraq's oil.
@DesotoKim
Where is Sambo's "Laser Focus" on jobs and the economy?
DesotoKim Racism is a disease. Too bad you have it.
Obama didn't get any of those, the Ladies and Gentlemen of the armed forces and everyday average people did. Respect them a little more will ya? Its bad enough that any politician would use these situations as political points bonuses.
I see a lot of disparaging remarks towards Mexico, Mexicans and Mexican Americans on this article. I just spent two weeks working in Mexico and arrived home just a few days before Xmas. I will just tell you a little about my experience and observations. First of all the drug trade is a result of America's huge appetite for illegal drugs there is a huge market here for that stuff so naturally there are bad actors on both sides of the border both American and Mexican who will accommodate that appetite, if America wasn't buying they would not be selling. On the Mexican side of the border their government is taking those problems quite seriously, there are some seriously armed guards on watch, soldiers with assault rifles, a full blown sand bagged machine gun nest, and an amored vehicle with a manned 50 caliber (I think it is at least a 50, it is huge) machine gun, they certainly appear to mean business. Yet they inspect your vehicle check your papers and if nothing is amiss your are through in ten minutes. On the American side they have six lanes but each evening it took 2 to 3 hours to get through, because they never had more than two or three lanes open, they never did more than glance in the vehicle and check my passport, one night they did have one dog sniffing cars and I did see where they had a few cars off to the side making a more detailed inspection. As I sat in miles long lines to get back into the states, I thought wow they must really check out everything completely, they do not and evidently we can't afford a few more border guards to keep all six lanes open. It's just my observation and opinion but at a glance the Mexican government seems to be more concerned about the drug trade than we are, and as for illegal entry there were a couple of nights when I felt it would be faster for me to enter the US illegally rather than wait in the ridiculously long and slow lines at the border crossing I was using.
I stayed in a Texas border town and everywhere I went, the restaurants, stores, and hotels were staffed with young people who seem to be of Mexican heritage, and believe me these young people conducted themselves as young professionals from the most menial of jobs to the those which carry more responsibility they worked hard, they were friendly, they were always willing to help, and frankly I just don't often see that kind of attitude of professionalism towards their work from teenagers where I live. BTW they almost all speak English and Spanish fluently whichever is needed to fulfill the customers needs. As I said I was there through the two weekends before XMAS, and the amount of Mexicans who came across the border to spend what little money they had in American stores on American brands was utterly amazing that little town was jammed, the stores were jammed, the hotels were jammed, and the restaurants were jammed, I never realized how much those border towns depend on Mexican trade, those people suffered the outrageously long wait to cross the border and spend their few dollars in America for presents for their families.
Lastly, I was forbidden by my company to drive in Mexico, I speak no Spanish, so for my security and operational reasons I was provided with a driver and an interpreter. I had an all Mexican crew for this project, and again I was very pleased with their level of talent, and how hard they worked for me. If you want to believe some stereotypical notion that I would be tasked to complete extremely technical work with a bunch of "landscapers" you would be completely mistaken. The crew that was assembled for me was first class these guys knew their stuff, there was some slight difficulty at times with the language barrier but that was because my interpreter spoke English, and I speak American, and I realize now there is a big difference. However when I would roll out very technical schematic drawings no interpreter was needed we both understood exactly what was indicated by them, as I said, these were some seriously talented young men. I was treated with kindness and respect by everybody I came into contact with at the two factories I worked in from the executives, to the workers on the plant floor, to my work crew, and you don't need to speak the language to tell when people are sincere are if they are mocking you. I damn near choked up when on the last night after working 14 hours to finish before my flight the next morning, my interpreter presented me with a bottle of very expensive and exclusive Mexican Tequila that the crew chipped in on to buy me as a present for me to bring home for Christmas. These people that want to portray these people as lazy, uneducated, and just wanting to take advatage of America, or Americans simply have no clue, I spent 10-14 hours a day for two weeks (you may have noticed my absence from FR during that time) working side by side with this all Mexican crew, and I would be happy to take that crew on any project, any time. It pains me to say this but the honest truth is they were head and shoulders above the crew I was recently provided with in South Carolina, both in their knowledge of their craft, their work ethic, and dedication to plying their craft in the best manner possible. I'll take any heat anybody wishes to give me on that statement, because it is the truth, I have been doing what I do for many years, I ran my own small consulting business based on this type of work for years, I do these jobs all over the US and now for this company I recently went to work for I even travel aboard to supervise this type of work, and this crew from Mexico was a first class outfit.
Thank you Forrest for your well written post and for giving an honest, respectful look at your experience with another country.
"Obama didn't get any of those, the Ladies and Gentlemen of the armed forces and everyday average people did...."
Oooops- no "mission accomplished" banner for him, then,huh??
Forrest: you always bring the calm and compassion to FR. Thanks for that post.
Yeah well License to Bore, I was not there as an American tourist to lay drunk on a warm beach, I was there to do some extremely technical work in regards to automated high speed production facilities. The Mexicans were paying the bills to the American division of the company I work for, and as far as the crew I had, you either know how to do this work, or you do not, you can't fake it or scam it, so rest assured nobody was suckered on either side of that contract. The people I worked with earned every dime of their comparatively meager pay, they did not in the least act like anybody owed them anything.
You are ridiculous Boring, let us assume what you say is correct and that is a big assumption, but if it is true I think it is absolutely fabulous, hiring illegals by employers is against the law so if they are being strong armed it is only because they are engaging in illegal activity in the first place. They can't be forced to hire illegals, so if the illegals they hire decide to force them to pay more it must still be cheaper for them than hiring legal workers and paying the proper taxes on legal employees. Do you expect me to feel sorry for lawbreakers because the people they wish to exploit are no longer making it so easy for them to exploit them, why don't these employers call the police and tell them they are being blackmailed. The same reason a drug dealer does not call the cops if another drug dealer steals his drugs. The organized crime is committed by the people that hire illegals as day laborers I could care less if they get taken for every penny they got. Like I said if they were not breaking the law in the first place they would not be in a position to be strong armed now would they. Ha, thieves complaining that their stolen goods were stolen from them is what your complaint amounts to, funny stuff boring. You may think those people are not qualified to be doorstops but they are obviously a little smarter than the @!$%#s who would take advantage of America and them by hiring illegals in the first place.
DesotoKim Racism is a disease. Too bad you have it.
Wow, Beverly accusing someone of racism? Beverly, you're the most racist poster on these boards.
Aren't we a bit off topic with that post Doctor piggenstine?
good morning all
So do you suppose That NBC was inept enough to Provide DC law enforcement with the 30 rnd clip? you know the evidence necessary to convict Gregor the great of a felony
I hope not you would think they woud have used a prop... Just sayin?
Nope, just a misdemeanor. $1000 fine or a year in jail, or both.(maximum) What do you really think Gregory will get? How about a small fine and a slap on the wrist.
Wow a possible year in jail, so he might go from Meet the Press, to Press the Meat!
Where is Sambo's "Laser Focus" on jobs and the economy?
Let's tax like in the Clinton era and cut spending to the Clinton era.
We passed the The Budget Control Act (BCA) of 2011 now just let it
work. And for the nay sayers it passed in a bipartisan vote.
Fasten your belts and enjoy the ride. We shouldn't Renege on a deal
we already signed off on right?
Rt kim to the deal already agreed to no more kicking it down the road
As for the debt ceiling no raise with out spending cuts period... or at least a freeze on the growth rate of spending. Untill there is a budget proposal passed by congress & signed by the president.
(don't really care if they have to close the govt. down or not)
'Sambo'. DesotoKim...really? Racist much?
Wow, DesotoKim: I am embarrassed for you.
Sambo? Really DesotoKim?
Well if I correctly recall from my childhood, Sambo outsmarted the vain Tigers (or was it Republican elephants) no it was Tigers, who wanted to eat him, but who instead started chasing each other around a tree (why do I keep confusing these Tigers with republican elephants) until they reduced themselves into a melted pool of butter, which was then used to make a fine batch of pancakes for Sambo. Who new a childhood tale would someday be a political reality.
lol,,,,sambo......
havent ate at one of those in a long time
Personally I believe the only reform necessary is securing the border's.
And enforcement of the Laws already on the books.
Focusing on immigration reform is a waste of time, when there are Much more important issues facing America. ie. debt, deficit spending, JOB growth...
If you haven't noticed the return rate to the south is growing. The economy in central america is on the up swing and those here are more inclined to go back to their country of origin. Where they are more comfortable with the culture and where their Family is. Since there is more equitable employment available in their homelands, they are in Exodus of this country.
Can't say I always agree with you, but I have to this time. I live in a predominately Latino neighborhood. What most here are forgetting is that most Latino voters are young, born here, and don't care any more about immigration laws than any other young people in this country! Illegal immigrants don't vote, unless there's fraud involved!
OldDog47
I have to disagree with you even the American born illegals as I call them seeing mom and dad was. Saying they don't care about it is just crazy because their mom and dad are still illegal they have relatives they want over here.
What I don't get is we fought for our freedom why don't they do the same?
But what upsets me is the most is they still fly their flags here in the USA and don't try to learn our English. If they truly care for America then why start by breaking the law?
I have no problems with them coming just how and when I had to start pressing 1 for English I knew then this country was doomed.
So your statement they don't care is false..
And if you take out none true American votes and the Welfare, foodstampers Obama would not be in office today.
Careful kim, you'll upset the locals with comments like that?
I think that this is all a ploy to make us so tired of the comments that we don't care if the tax's go up
So in what locale is referring to a black president as 'Sambo' acceptable to you, ?
So you'll actually work as a poop truck driver draining leech fields and poop tanks? XD Or maybe you'll work construction, all under minimum wage.
Is that what you're saying License?
CAuse as far as i'm concerned no American wants to work that job and certainly not for even minimum wage if he could get it... you can't live on that.
"So you'll actually work as a poop truck driver draining leech fields and poop tanks? XD Or maybe you'll work construction, all under minimum wage."
Funny, when I first moved to FL I worked as construction day labor. I made minimum wage for back breaking labor. Because it was a union job, I wasn't allowed to be paid any more than that. When the bricklayers came in, they were all paid $16/hr, they were ALL illegal, and they were all union. They didn't speak english, they were super lazy(taking three days to do a one day job), and they refused to use the port o johns. When they were done I had to shovel up their @!$%# and pick up their soda bottles full of piss. Then I had to go in and demolish the work they had done and do it right, all for minimum wage.
BTW, I most certainly did live on that wage. Not extravagantly, but I had all I needed. You obviously don't know what it means to truly work in this country and you obviously buy all of that "they do jobs Americans won't" crap. And it is just that, complete crap!
How exactly do you know their pay? They don't speak english and you were just a construction worker. No i'm not buying that crap I've seen it first hand, dealt with countless construction crews on all kinds of hard labor jobs and while Florida can be a hot place it doesn't place even close to hot compared to Texas.
I know how much they made because it was a union job and the scale was part of their contract. I also speak spanish. As for me being JUST a construction worker; does that mean that you view me as unintelligent? I think you hurt my feelings...no, wait, that was just gas. Also, you say that you have "dealt" with construction crews; let me guess, non-labor position, huh? And the rest of your statement about how much hotter it is in Texas; what does that have to do with anything we have discussed here? I'm afraid that I'm not buying YOUR crap.
What are the chances of the POLITICIANS on BOTH sides getting their priorities straight. They have been kicking the "budget" can down the road for over 2 years now. They even set up a poison pill to prevent further kicking and here they are again trying to find a way around taking the pill.
ONCE they manage to get a REAL budget, not some work around, then they can look at the debt ceiling.. wait that should be PART of the budget process.
Then we can worry about any sort of reform. How about enforcing ALL the laws that are on the books currently before we go about changing or adding new ones. Immigration is an easier issue to address than the 2nd amendment. Or looking at it from a practical view it is. Immigration is simply laws, existing or new. The 2nd amendment has a steep hill to make ANY changes to. The RECORD time is 18 months AFTER congress manages to agree on the new words.
Get real on both sides... TELL Congress to get it together and deal with things rather than shouting about things and pounding their chests while lining their collective pockets.
You make sense but neither side will move. The Republicans run by Norquist will not move on taxes. Regan and Bush both eventually did and Republicans got voted out of Congress by Norquist. So they owe their allegiance to Norquist. Jan 1 it will be new taxes whether they like it or not!
I think more people should carry guns to protect themselves and those around them. Would have helped in Colorado. Now though stop the free no gun ID checks at the gun shows and reduce the clips to 3 per clip!
super x
What an amazing lack of knowledge, both current and historical!
Don't know much about guns or gun shows either do you? Go to a gun show and try to buy a gun without a background check. 3 per clip? Your ignorance is showing.
super x,
I think our government's first two priorities are to take America over the fiscal cliff and then destroy the currency by massively increasing the deficit. The first action will knock millions into poverty and further destroy the middle class making it easier to achieve the second goal of running up the debt. The third agenda will be a complete ban on guns. That will make it easier for the new dictatorship to control the serfs.
Both parties are destroying our country period! All of these elites in DC should be tried for treason. They are raping the resources of this country for personal gain. The reason we have a debt is because they want us to have one. The reason the large corporate America runs this country is because our politicians are bought and paid for. The crooks in DC steal from the taxpayer and then accept bribes from the wealthy elites. This needs to change. Our politicians don't care about the average American. We are just pawns in their endgame. Their real goal is absolute power.
I have questions for all of the anti-gun zealots. Why should I give up my right to defend myself from my corrupt government officials and their disastrous policies?
1) They have run up a massive debt that threatens our dollar as World Reserve currency. When we lose World Reserve currency status, our money will become worthless.
2) They arm criminals in Mexico with true assault weapons and then keep our borders as porous as ever.
3) Our government passes legislation/acts that take away our rights. Examples include Obamacare, Patriot Act, National Preparedness Act of 2012 to name a few.
4) Reports of American citizens being detained or executed by our very own government here on US soil. Reports of military style drones spying on the American public.
kfilly you hit the nail on the head read this...
DHS Insider Breaks Down Obama’s Short-term Agenda
Douglas
J. Hagmann
HomelandSecurityUS.com
December 27, 2012
After a
lengthy, self-imposed informational black-out, my high-level DHS contact known
as “Rosebud” emerged with new, non-public information about plans being
discussed and prepared for implementation by the Department of Homeland
Security (DHS) in the near future. It is important to note that this black-out
was directly related to the aggressive federal initiative of identifying and
prosecuting “leakers,” at least those leaks and leakers not sanctioned by the
executive office – the latter of which there are many.
Due to
those circumstances, my source exercised an abundance of caution to avoid
compromising a valuable line of communication until he had information he felt
was significant enough to risk external contact. The following information is
the result of an in-person contact between this author and “Rosebud” within the
last 48 hours. With his permission, the interview was digitally recorded and
the relevant portions of the contact are provided in a conversational format
for easier reading. The original recording was copied onto multiple discs and
are maintained in secure locations for historical and insurance purposes.
Meeting
The
following began after an exchange of pleasantries and other unrelated
discussion:
DH:
Do I have your permission to record this conversation?
RB: You
do.
DH:
I’ve received a lot of e-mail from people wondering where you went and why
you’ve been so quiet.
RB: As I
told you earlier, things are very dicey. Weird things began to happen before
the election and have continued since. Odd things, a clampdown of sorts. I
started looking and I found [REDACTED AT THE REQUEST OF THIS SOURCE], and that
shook me up. I’m not the only one, though, that found a [REDACTED], so this
means there’s surveillance of people within DHS by DHS. So, that explains this
cloak and dagger stuff for this meeting.
DH:
I understand. What about the others?
RB: They
are handling it the same way.
DH:
I’ve received many e-mails asking if you are the same person giving information
to Ulsterman. Are you?
RB: No,
but I think I know at least one of his insiders.
DH:
Care to elaborate?
RB: Sorry,
no.
DH:
Do you trust him or her. I mean, the Ulsterman source?
RB: Yes.
DH:
Okay, so last August, you said things were “going hot.” I printed what you
said, and things did not seem to happen as you said.
RB: You’d
better recheck your notes and compare [them] with some of the events leading up
to the election. I think you’ll find that a full blown campaign of deception
took place to make certain Obama got back into office. The polls, the media,
and a few incidents that happened in the two months before the election. I
guess if people are looking for some big event they can point to and say “aha”
for verification, well then I overestimated people’s ability to tell when they
are being lied to.
DH:
What specific incidents are you referring to?
RB: Look
at the threats to Obama. Start there. The accusations of racism. Then look at
the polls, and especially the judicial decisions about voter ID laws. Bought
and paid for, or where there was any potential for problems, the judges got the
message, loud and clear. Then look at the voter fraud. And not a peep from the
Republicans. Nothing. His second term was a done deal in September. This was
planned. Frankly, the Obama team knew they had it sewn up long before election
day. Benghazi could have derailed them, but the fix was in there, so I never
saw anything on my end to suggest a ready-made solution had to be implemented.
DH:
What’s going on now?
RB: People
better pay close attention over the next few months. First, there won’t be any
meaningful deal about the fiscal crisis. This is planned, I mean, the lack of
deal is planned. In fact, it’ necessary to pave the way for what is in the
short term agenda.
DH:
Wait, you’re DHS – not some Wall Street insider.
RB: So you
think they are separate agendas? That’s funny. The coming collapse of the U.S.
dollar is a done deal. It’s been in the works for years – decades, and this is
one of the most important cataclysmic events that DHS is preparing for. I
almost think that DHS was created for that purpose alone, to fight Americans,
not protect them, right here in America. But that’s not the only reason.
There’s the gun issue too.
DH:
So, what are you seeing at DHS?
RB: We
don’t have a lot of time, tonight – our meeting – as well as a country. I mean
I have heard – with my own ears – plans being made that originate from the
White House that involve the hierarchy of DHS. You gotta know how DHS works at
the highest of levels. It’s Jarrett and Napolitano, with Jarrett organizing all
of the plans and approaches. She’s the one in charge, at least from my point of
view, from what I am seeing. Obama knows that’s going on and has say, but it
seems that Jarrett has the final say, not the other way around. It’s [screwed]
up. This really went into high gear since the election.
But it’s a
train wreck at mid management, but is more effective at the lower levels. A lot
of police departments are being gifted with federal funds with strings
attached. That money is flowing out to municipal police departments faster than
it can be counted. They are using this money to buy tanks, well, not real
tanks, but you know what I mean. DHS is turning the police into soldiers.
By the
way, there has been a lot of communication recently between Napolitano and
Pistole [TSA head]. They are planning to use TSA agents in tandem with local
police for certain operations that are being planned right now. This is so
[deleted] important that you cannot even begin to imagine. If you get nothing
else out of this, please, please make sure you tell people to watch the TSA and
their increasing involvement against the American public. They are the stooges
who will be the ones to carry out certain plans when the dollar collapses and
the gun confiscation begins.
DH:
Whoa, wait a minute. You just said a mouthful. What’s the agenda here?
RB: Your
intelligence insider – he knows that we are facing a planned economic collapse.
You wrote about this in your articles about Benghazi, or at least that’s what I
got out of the later articles. So why the surprise?
DH:
There’s a lot here. Let’s take it step by step if you don’t mind.
RB: Okay,
but I’m not going to give it to you in baby steps. Big boy steps. This is what
I am hearing. Life for the average American is going to change significantly,
and not the change people expect. First, DHS is preparing to work with police
departments and the TSA to respond to civil uprisings that will happen when
there is a financial panic. And there will be one, maybe as early as this
spring, when the dollar won’t get you a gumball. I’m not sure what the catalyst
will be, but I’ve heard rumblings about a derivatives crisis as well as an oil
embargo. I don’t know, that’s not my department. But something is going to
happen to collapse the dollar, which has been in the works since the 1990′s.
Now if it does not happen as soon as this, it’s because there are people, real
patriots, who are working to prevent this, so it’s a fluid dynamic. But that
doesn’t change the preparations.
And the
preparations are these: DHS is prepositioning assets in strategic areas near
urban centers all across the country. Storage depots. Armories. And even detainment
facilities, known as FEMA camps. FEMA does not even know that the facilities
are earmarked for detainment by executive orders, at least not in the
traditional sense they were intended. By the way, people drive by some of these
armories everyday without even giving them a second look. Commercial and
business real estate across the country are being bought up or leased for
storage purposes. Very low profile.
Anyway, I
am hearing that the plan from on high is to let the chaos play out for a while,
making ordinary citizens beg for troops to be deployed to restore order. but
it’s all organized to make them appear as good guys. That’s when the real head
knocking will take place. We’re talking travel restrictions, which should no be
a problem because gas will be rationed or unavailable. The TSA will be in
charge of travel, or at least be a big part of it. They will be commissioned,
upgraded from their current status.
They, I
mean Jarrett and Obama as well as a few others in government, are working to
create a perfect storm too. This is being timed to coincide with new gun laws.
DH:
New federal gun laws?
RB: Yes.
Count on the criminalization to possess just about every gun you can think of.
Not only restrictions, but actual criminalization of possessing a banned
firearm. I heard this directly from the highest of my sources. Plans were made
in the 90′s but were withheld. Now, it’s a new day, a new time, and they are
riding the wave of emotion from Sandy Hook., which, by the way and as tragic as
it was, well, it stinks to high heaven. I mean there are many things wrong
there, and first reports are fast disappearing. The narrative is being changed.
Look, there is something wrong with Sandy Hook, but if you write it, you’ll be
called a kook or worse.
DH:
Sure
RB: But
Sandy Hook, there’s something very wrong there. But I am hearing that won’t be
the final straw. There will be another if they think it’s necessary.
DH:
Another shooting?
RB: Yes.
DH:
That would mean they are at least complicit.
RB: Well,
that’s one way of looking at it.
DH:
Are they? Were they?
RB: Do
your own research. Nothing I say, short of bringing you photographs and
documents will convince anyone, and even then, it’s like [DELETED] in the wind.
DH:
So…
RB: So
what I’m telling you is that DHS, the TSA and certain, but not all, law
enforcement agencies are going to be elbow deep in riot control in response to
an economic incident. At the same time or close to it, gun confiscation will
start. It will start on a voluntary basis using federal registration forms,
then an amnesty, then the kicking-in of doors start.
Before or
at the same time, you know all the talk of lists, you know, the red and blue
lists that everyone made fun of? Well they exist, although I don’t know about
their colors. But there are lists of political dissidents maintained by DHS.
Names are coordinated with the executive branch, but you know what? They did
not start with Obama. They’ve been around in one form or another for years. The
difference though is that today, they are much more organized. And I’ll tell
you that the vocal opponents of the politics of the global elite, the bankers,
and the opponents of anything standing in their way, well, they are on the top
of the list of people to be handled.
DH:
Handled?
RB: As the
situations worsen, some might be given a chance to stop their vocal opposition.
Some will, others won’t. I suppose they are on different lists. Others won’t
have that chance. By that time, though, it will be chaos and people will be in
full defensive mode. They will be hungry, real hunger like we’ve never
experienced before. They will use our hunger as leverage. They will use medical
care as leverage.
DH:
Will this happen all at once?
RB: They
hope to make it happen at the same time. Big cities first, with sections being
set apart from the rest of the country. Then the rural areas. There are two
different plans for geographical considerations. But it will all come together.
You been reading to much "Drake" American Veteran1. LMAO
No drake sport pulled this off infowars i believe, makes for some good reading, but if its true i see a whole bunch of trouble coming.
There is no doubt in my mind this is exactly what our government has in store for us. Why does DHS need to order 1 BILLION rounds of ammo? How come their new POLICE/RESCUE vehicles look like armored cars? When the US economic collapse happens we will find out how come.
don't forget all the millions of rounds of ammo that have been purchased by the Social Security Departments across the nation.
Obama's agenda appears to be to complete his goal of bringing America to it's knees. This man and his entire staff and all the idiot who fixed the election and voted for him belong in a chain gang doing hard labor for life.
You feel better with the comment but you lost by three million. The Democrats feel the same about you so over the cliff America goes. It is not a do nothing congress its a do nothing entrenched America. I welcome the Cliff. Fun to watch the Congress squirm on Jan 1
FORWARD!!! into oblivion.
Aww, the poor GOP Sore Loser Society is out today. By the way trolls, isn't it time to move past the Anger Stage of your defeat?
I suppose it is to much to ask that we have a rational discussion About the issues with out the partisan bashing today, abominable yeti? really it takes all kinds everywhere, do let's btw i just love the bumble. lol
I see you don't know how to use the reply option on the lower right hand corner of a post. As far as rational discussion, you wouldn't know what that was if it kicked you square in the a$$. So keep doing what you do best, posting right wing troll refuse.
Tony,
The GOP only did well with people that think and work.
Sambo made promises to the welfare class and you
bought into it. Tax the rich at 200% and pay for the Govt.
to operate for a full week.
Where's fisted and the cancer pack today?
I'm sure that doesn't include you, but speaking of people that bought into it, the Faux News crowd likes to believe the lies people like Norquist and the Koch's spoon feed you. You know, the fear mongering stuff. I think it's time to break that bubble you live in.
Can you show us that link? I haven't seen that proposal anywhere, by either side.
Well this is just more pandering by Democrats to the illegal immigrants for the legal Hispanic vote. These Hispanics came here to escape places like Mexico, but then they are hell bent on turning this country into Mexico and the Democrats are selling the whole damn country down the tubes to get their vote.
Wow - a super secret hidden agenda of the illegal Hispanics to turn American into Mexico. Is that anything like the super secret hidden agenda of gays turning the entire country gay, or the super secret hidden agenda of women taking over the world from men.
Now I don't now about Democrats pandering for the legal Hispanic vote by placating illegal Hispanics, but I sure hear a lot of fear mongering in that claim. Speaking of which, why is it only illegal Hispanics are portrayed as the evil genius' in this end-game. What about the illegals from Eastern Europe and/or Russia? Apparently, they are the right color of illegal.
RedDevPS
No smart guy, they are such a small portion of the voting block that they do not matter to the Democrats. The other "super secret" drivel you speak of is not a secret at all.
Why thank you, I feel compelled to return the compliment, but my mama taught me not to lie.
Now, back to the non-secret conspiracy plans, please enlighten us all as to the top threat. I loaded up on dried peas to arm my pea shooter for the well publicized Mayan end-of-days, so I'm armed and ready to fight any enemy thrown my way.
Invasion? Xenophobic much? They work a job most people won't you tell me you will for their pay (Under minimum wage) and let me know.
Is Mexico only responsible for American deaths, or are they responsible for all deaths that resulted from that war. Inquiring minds want to know.
I guess by that token the rest of the world that wasn't involved is at fault or is it just the mexicans? Dude drop the racist fears.
We lost a small chunk of soldiers cause we "waited too long" why don't you ask Europe what it thought about our idea of not interfering in the relations of the world around? You try and tell a European that we weret here throughout the whole fight and they'll spit in your face.
Immigration Reform=Amnesty, 11 Million Instant Democrats, You might want to check in with the rest of the country before you commit to that.
Gun Control=Assault Weapons Ban, same ole Feinstein Blather that would not have prevented any of the Recent Shootings. You can't Legislate away Crazy, You have to identify it and treat it. Institutionalizing a Person to prevent them from doing harm to themselves or others should be a standard practice. We can't afford not to. Anyone who poopoos the NRA's Idea of placing trained armed individuals in the schools, give a better idea that will work and doesn't entail trying to disarm America. (that isn't ever going to happen anyway)
And last but not least, the Fiscal Cliff and Tax Hike Debacle has finally went to the section of Congress where it should have been in the First Place. Dirty Harry's Obstructionist Policies have been called to light, seems the house has passed several budgets the senate has failed to act on.
Designed to screw the common guy! The same with the Democrats and some of their ideas. So over we go on Jan !
It's that 'fourth thing' that should be #1 - - IT'S ECONOMY STUPID! - One Two THree things that COST MONEY - So I guess JOBS for AMERICANS, rates at least fourth, but in reality, barely gets a MENTION. Obama doesn't even THINK about Jobs, he believes the USA runs on Go'vt MONEY, that just flows in as 'unending revenue' to his giant Gov't charge card like magic. Tell me again how he is NOT turning the USA towards Socialism.
My God you are so right . How about jobs and a lot of the problems go away. Thanks for bringing us back to the true needs for the Country!
The GOPTP ran on that platform in 2010 yet failed to take one single action to promote job growth. In fact, they fought any and all legislation aimed at increasing employment. So, GOPTP, where are the J-O-B-S you promised when elected in 2010?
RedDevPS
Stalled in Dirty Harry's Senate!
Then surely you can provide a link to a jobs bill passed by the House and stalled in the Senate.
RedDev where is your proof of GOP not taking action and the last I looked Obama was well hard for me to say Prez in 2010?
I see a lot of pointing that finger out but yet never see proof from you.
Like any other Dem yak yak yak lies lies lies no proof..
Please when asking for proof with a statement like that please provide your proof.
And look at your Dems now Clinton with this and that after she is called to testify and now this made up blood clot PLEASE just like her husband I DID NOT HAVE SEX WITH THAT WOMAN..
Does that mean all the Johns picked up can go to court and say they did not solicit for sex under the CLINTON RULE..... LOL
.... and ECONOMY is at 1,034th priority on Obama's Agenda?
Immigration, and gun control? Seems like an never ending battle. Illegal immigration from MX will never, ever end. The southern international border is as porous as a sieve. At best you slow a few numbers of them down a bit, however never will entirely. Worst scenario is that it's so easy that drug smugglers are very successful, and something no doubt terrorists consider as a way to enter. Solution/answer? Beats me. There may be none, and we'll have to continue living with it as we have for years. Complacent? Nah, just realistic. May the Big O not ever for a moment forget our Veterans. For them the parades, flag waving, trumpets blare, drum rolls, and "Johnny Comes Marching Home....", are all but a memory. No need for such bitter memories.
Rt kim to the deal already agreed to no more kicking it down the road
As for the debt ceiling no raise with out spending cuts period... or at least a freeze on the growth rate of spending. Untill there is a budget proposal passed by congress & signed by the president.
(don't really care if they have to close the govt. down or not)
Personally I believe the only reform necessary is securing the border's.
And enforcement of the Laws already on the books.
Focusing on immigration reform is a waste of time, when there are Much more important issues facing America. ie. debt, deficit spending, JOB growth...
If you haven't noticed the return rate to the south is growing. The economy in central america is on the up swing and those here are more inclined to go back to their country of origin. Where they are more comfortable with the culture and where their Family is. Since there is more equitable employment available in their homelands, they are in Exodus of this country.
The liars our counting anyone turned back at the border as
a deported person. ICE has been told to back of. DOJ sues states that
enforce Federal laws. Holder sends gun's to Mexico and blames a
Bush program that was TERMINATED but the F'ing sheeple fall for the
lie and then Sambo stops the investigation with an executive order.
GO TEAM CLIFF !!!!!!!!!
We all go we all pay............
God said she was against a fair and balanced flat tax on all with 0 (zero) no loopholes!
thats transparency for ya!
Yeah, gun violence. Let's see Obama push Hollywood and the video game manufacturers from glorifying death. Watch his buddies squeal as he calls for the end of "play death" in the media. Good luck.
Happy New Year America
Opps, a little early for that don't want to jump the gun or get ahead on the corona to early rt?/strong> !!!
We should do like Joe Biden suggested last week: Using gun registrations, armed federal and local law enforcement agents should go door to door and confiscate all handguns and semi automatic weapons. One of the options he will bring to the President in the coming weeks is the only weapons citizens should be allowed to keep are bolt action hunting rifles, and black powder rifles for hunting. The only pistols allowed are those dating from before 1899. Before the vigorous reclamation methods are used, he suggested a buyback program. After that, the returned guns will be "cross referenced with registrations" If there are missing guns, that is when law enforcement will step in.
Vice President Biden is aware that "not everyone has registered their firearms. Especially after buying them from a private party", but he and others in the committee feel that "by searching the homes of all people that have ever registered a firearm, the other semi automatic weapons can be uncovered." And there "are technologies that can ferret out hidden guns by detecting certain chemical residues".
The right to bear arms doesn't mean you get to bear any arms you want. Are you allowed to keep a loaded howitzer in your back yard? Here is a tip for you gun collectors, If you have tens of thousands of dollars in weapons, you better unload them now, because the buyback program is not going to pay you collectable values. Just a flat amount by the type of firearm. And if you don't turn them in by the deadline, you will get no payment and may end up with jail time.
Hmm....doesn't the argument that we must be armed to prevent a government takeover means in it purity that Americans should INDEED be allowed to bear Howitzers, Grenades, Tanks, Cruise Missiles and Drones?
I mean, without these things, your .357 is useless, no? I can see it now...their fantasy of shooting down a 'guvmint black helicopter' with the equivalent of a peashooter (chuckle)
Ban Assault Weapons
Ban high capacity mags
Background checks for EVERY Gun Purchase (gun show loophole in particular)
New efforts to address violent media
Better detection and intervention of Mental Illness
Add Security to Schools (outside the classrooms)
Recognize and address alienation of our children
Mandatory Gun Safety classes BEFORE and AFTER purchase
Its going to take many things and together and its true they wont solve everything. But I believe that addressing the root causes of the human element that picks up the gun must be done along with any means of REDUCING the number of shots that can be fired in seconds along with the ammo available to shoot before the shooter has to re-load.
Its reasonable to expect that these are incremental solutions in and of them selves but together REDUCES the number of incidents and victims. And gun owners will still have their guns, the only 'sacrifice' is that they can't buy an Assault rifle with a 30 round clip to shoot an Elk.
Small price for being a part of an overall policy that just mayl be asking sacrifice of our kids to get used to having to pass through an armed guard and a metal detector every morning they go to school.
Gypsy -
If your efforts are purely focused on young men who have, as boys, been drugged into submission with amphetamines and antipsychotics, then your suggestions might have a small dent in school shootings.
The "recognition" of perceived "mental illnesses" are why children as young as 6 years old are prescribed mind altering pharmaceuticals to make them cooperate. Of course, there are children with mental illnesses, but why do we have so much ADHD and ADD now, compared to 30 years ago?
None of these suggestions impact illegal guns, as making anything illegal does not stop it from existing. You are also listing increases in the number of rules for law-abiding citizens. Anyone can get an illegal gun in about 30 minutes. Criminals don't buy guns at Bass Pro Shops or gun shows.
Well. Will wait with eager anticipation for Katydid to post a source for the nonsense above.
I missed the part for criminals to regester thier guns, take classes, reduce the size of thier clips. The founding fathers said guns, they had cannons, and other heavy weapons at the time, but said guns. So why do Liberials bring in tanks, drones, and such. The key is citizens were allowed to have the top guns of the time. So Why should they not be alowed to have them now? It was a time when the Winchester repeater was to "assult weapon" of the time, and just about everyone who wanted one had one. Weather it be protecting yourself on the founter or from gains in downtown, it is how they are used, not the item, or else we would be banning cars and kitchen knives, that kill far more people.
Reginald, that's exactly what the Nazi's did under Hitler. How did that go down in history? I will agree with you that there are a lot of social democrats that think like you, but it isn't reasonable. We wouldn't let it happen.
Until OBAMA starts prosecuting CEO's and DR's who are behind psychotropic mass murders in jail he is just another lip service LIAR colluding to scam you out of every dollar you earn (or could earn if you would get off your rear and work). Stop bombing children with your DRONES you eugenic cowards. Leave the babies alone. Take all your birth control pills and children murder devices and shove them up your axe(sic).
What the hell are you writing about? Please leave the conversation!
ALL MASS SHOOTERS HAVE BEEN UNDER PSYCHIATRIC CARE.
CAUSES SUICIDAL HOMICIDAL FASCINATIONS AND DELUSION OF MURDER, super x you need to get with the program and find the other factors that led up to the mass shootings, PHARM DRUGS...
When will you become just as outraged at a drone killing children as you are about Newtown?
How is it OK for our gov to kill children world wide with our tax dollars and military equipment and personal and you do not feel the same for those children as you do for NEWTOWN? WHY?
DEAD IS DEAD AND A CHILD IS A CHILD NO MATTER RACE RELIGION CREED
I think that American Colleges need a wake up call and the cliff will do so. No money and they will have to cut out Majors that will not give the kids a chance to earn a living. Example Political Science, Sociology, History, Religion my these get a kid a 8.00 and hour job and the need for government support. Do Engineering, Chemistry, Law and the like. If the kids aren't smart enough teach them a needed skill!
Get rid of the 100 shot gun clips and change to three shots, Have move people authorized and trained to carry weapons. Don't need assault weapons either. Do need more safety in the Commerce of America.
Allow that the rich will see taxes go up and the Democrat will change the age of Social Security go to 68. !
Immigration. Hell just make them legal and stop others at the border
Democrats want to screw people getting ready to retire, taxpayers...
But Obama will NEVER cut Food Stamps, Welfare or Obama Phones... He won't screw HIS people.
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When you put the people who HIRE them in prison all illegal trafic will stop. Elephant in the room.