It's not just life, but life and liberty. Liberty in my opinion entitles citizens the right to, and makes them responsible for defending themselves against others and the government.

The 'NRA' is now synonymous with guns. I'm sure there are gun owners who do not belong to the NRA.

ssshhhh ...alan...dont tell em that....

Maybe they can start by getting the kids of prescription drugs.

I am still waiting for the next time someone uses a fertilizer bomb to prove it's not the gun that is the problem, rather the desensitization of the general public.

When people have nothing to lose they lose it.

Is this how freedom dies??

freedomfrys, MY GUNS, MY RIGHTS, MY FREEDOOM, is a reference towards what our forefathers wrote when they came up with the 2nd Amendment. My firearms are treated with the utmost respect. I use them on a regular basis for my enjoyment of hunting. But with saying that, I also have them for self preservation. Unless you are going to harm my family or myself, I feel you have no need to worry. I hope that explains what I meant by that statement. Have a Happy Holiday & to all on this vine!!!

In all the widely-publicized shootings from the past 2 decades (Columbine, Nickel Mines, Aurora and CT), none of the shooters have been members of the NRA. It's sad that some sick individuals would use this tragedy to try to push their political agenda. As soon as the tragedy broke, gun bans were the first thing mentioned; Not grieving, not assisting families in their time of need, not coming together, but instead, they started finger pointing at everyone except who was really responsible for the massacre, the mentally ill shooter. The liberals who have been looking for an excuse to eliminate guns were just waiting for something like this to happen so that they can get everyone to go along with a knee-jerk reaction to weaken the 2nd amendment. If you want to really try to prevent tragedies like this from happening in the future, it's time to take common sense measures and focus on the cause (mental illness) not the method (guns) that causes people to do these things. Banning guns because of this shooting is like banning cars because of a drunk driver; you're punishing the 99.999% of responsible users because of one person's selfish actions. And for the record, it's nothing short of naivety to think that the shooter couldn't have done as much damage with the 2 pistols he had on him if he had not had the assault rifle. I do think that there needs to be more gun controls in place, but it needs to be a comprehensive, rational approach that addresses the real issues.

cut to the oval office where a deeply disturbed president is hard at work trying to pretend he knows what he's doing..

@!$%#...the economy sucks, i ran out of other peoples money and to top it off i am going to raise tax's as well as implement a health care plan that simply wont work, gotta do something..but what?...hum a distraction is whats needed, ...but what?... hum well there is my gun control plan but that's a pipe dream...but damnit i gotta take the heat off and divert peoples attention somehow...wish i had someone...anyone ...to throw under the bus and take a fall for me..but who?..hey wait i know !!......oh Joe buddy..where are ya boy...come here pal i gotta job for ya...

Hummmmmmmmmmm ... Are we having another "Knee Jerk" reaction? .... another chance for government to take away another liberty? .... Do we live in a "reactionary" culture?

This is about "Cultural Violence" ... not about guns! .... this issue is extremely complicated well beyond the right to bear arms ... and giving up individual right to bear arms, is not the answer.

I don't own a any guns .. yet I can understand the right to own any weapon ... when we live with a of government that seems intent on deceiving the population with regularity ... and removing our rights with deceit & impunity ......

Remember 911? ....... And the reaction..... The "Patriot Act?" all sounded soooo good .. till our government began it's "Draconian" interpretation of what it meant ... A loss of American Freedoms that had prevailed in our society for 200 years!

The inherent problem with any discussion of gun control is a simple fact for most Americans that think are thinking ... WE DON"T TRUST OUR GOVERNMENT ANYMORE!

When you return our liberties that you have taken away and show us the integrity that we deserve as citizens ... then and only then will you get enough consensus to discuss the issue ...

Absolutely agree that the tragedy in CT was a horrible, unblievable act. There was an article today that suggests that his mom was attempting to legally take control of him so that she could have him institutionalized- so maybe she was trying to do the best for his mental health and the public's safety. I ultimately believe that this is primarily an issue of mental illness, not weapons. The article suggest that he was believed his mother liked her education work more than him- so that lead him to killing her and taking revenge against schools. In the end I think he was going to kill her one way or the other. I don't know how she stored her weapons, but if he couldn't get them he might have run off like the father in China the same day with a machetti and done the same thing with that until stopped. I don't think he would have just given up because he couldn't have a gun.

On the Biden gun control topic, just wow. Clearly the President is putting out the most provocative guy he can and stay a step off the topic. We all know Biden- he's going to come out insighting and yelling and when anyone tries to suggest anything different then what he's going to spout he's going to scream louder to the media that they believe in hate. I shudder to think how the media is going to enjoy this. I think Biden is going to go for an all or nothing plan to do as much damage to gun ownership as possible, villify legal gun owners and organizations, and attempt to use the masses against them. Not happy about this one.

HEY FREEDOMFRYS... Remember what some idiots did with a few planes on 911? Are you running around like a fool asking to ban airplanes and flying? These horrible acts can still be committed with any tool availible to man. Taking away our rights will not solve a thing. The real crime here is that the mother allowed access of a MENTALLY CHALLANGED individual to these guns. If anything this proves more people should carry weapons to help defend life when some moron goes wack-ado.

Why are so many people blaming the NRA, by the way I'm not member but I do own several firearms. I have yet to hear anyone mention the National Shooting Sports Foundation. Why is the NRA the root of all evil, does it make some people feel better having a place to direct their anger. The NRA did not send out any of these crazies to commit these terrible acts, just like more gun control is not going to solve a thing.

One thing for sure, when you absolutely do not care if anything gets done, put Biden in charge. Obama could have had everything he claims he wants now during his first two years when the Democrats owned both Houses of Congress. Obama ran on gun control during his first campaign and since then has signed legislation to allow guns in our national parks and on Amtrak. But the reality on the assault weapons ban is that Obama didn't have enough support from his own party to get it passed, much like every budget proposal he has put forth. As if Congress can actually write a bill that will have an impact, gun manufacturers will find ways around any new law, just like they did the last time.

freedomfrys

ozmosis

MY GUNS, MY RIGHTS, MY FREEDOM does not supersede MY LIFE or the lives of anybody else. I have no problem with people like you shooting your guns UNTIL you point them at me.

So, in 1994 they instituted a ban on certain types of guns. In 2004 it was allowed to sunset because, according to the Police Chief's of America" THE BAN HAD ABSOLUTELY NO AFFECT ON CRIME INCLUDING GUN VIOLENCE.

In China they do not allow anyone to have guns (well except the military which has killed 64+ MILLION of it population since they took them away). On the same day as the school incident 20 school children were stabbed and maimed by someone with a knife. There goes your argument that eliminating guns stops violence.

Then what are you going to do about the 10's of thousands that are killed by CARS every year. What about drunk drivers?

This whole thing is about CONTROL. PERIOD.

Think about this one as well. ALL of the recent mass shootings happened in areas where GUNS WERE FORBIDDEN!!!!

My son is on the gun "control" issue right now. I showed him an article out of Utah where a pastor STOPPED A CHURCH/HOME INVASION with his pistol. The person would not respond at all until he saw the laser sight shining on his chest. I asked my son "Why did he choose that place?" His response surprised even him, "Probably because he thought there was not anyone there WITH A GUN."

This happens all the time, EVERY DAY. So don't go telling me or all of the families that have been saved by dads and moms that have and know how to use a gun. Taking them away is NOT going to solve the issue.

Try this experiment: Put a gun on the counter. You call me when, of its OWN volition it shoots someone.

Should I go on with many other incidences that show that guns do not cause violence?

'Fed up' like your comment. skip 'excellent choice'? really?

310 million privately owned guns, in a population of 314 million. Doing anything related to banning sales or restricting magazine capacities is tempered by the fact that so many high capacity magazines and assault rifles are already widely dispersed amongst the population.

Further, the mental health issue is not easily dealt with. For every person that is labeled unstable, there are likely dozens more that are not easily identified. How easy would it be to prove or disprove mental stability in a court of law?

Societal issues feed this mess. We have far too many individuals that claim they "fear their government". The variety of reasons cited for the fear are as varied as the individuals involved, making it difficult to find a way to address the issue...still, if a conversation could take place that at least tried to address identified commonly referenced sources of the stated fear, it may lead to some alleviation.

The promiscuity that is so prominent in our society is a huge factor. When couples, couple, and babies are born to single mothers...all sorts of problems begin. The abdication of responsibility on the part of the fathers is tragic. I seem to read a lot of articles that place much of the blame for mixed up kids on the shoulders of the single mother but absent fathers are really at the heart of the matter. As a father of two wonderful adult children, I have trouble relating to males that turn their backs on their progeny. These people are not truly men, they are opportunists looking to sate themselves regardless of the consequences. Being a father, not just being a sperm donor but really being a father, raising the kids you produce is the single most important thing anyone can ever do. I don't care how high you rise in your profession, or how great you think any other accomplishment you achieve is, NOTHING will ever eclipse the importance of raising your children, they are your legacy, they reflect you in the way they lead their lives.

Gun owners and the NRA in particular could go some distance in trying to work with society in constructive ways to do something to try to make this better but with so many weapons already in private ownership, gun control laws enacted now, which could never be retroactive, are like closing the barn door after the horse has left.

As the article states, this is a complex issue and laws cannot address every issue. Gun ownership is a right, and guns for hunting, target shooting, home defense have always been part of who we are as a nation and should remain so, but what about those 20 children and those brave teachers, what about the 10 or 11 thousand people slaughtered each year in the United States? What about mental illness, promiscuity, absent fathers, single mothers?

How do we address all of these issues in ways that are meaningful so that we make a positive difference? It seems an insurmountable task.

Putting old blowhard biden in charge of ANYTHING is insane. That idiot will put the blame on the inanimate object (gun) and ignore the REAL problems. At least get a credible person with a brain to head a project to reduce violence.

biden??? obama sends in someone he can blame when nothing gets done

When the government can be trusted, I'll turn in my guns

@ Freedomfrys

The second amendment should have been trumped by their right to "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness".

Just like your 1st Amendment rights should be trumped because your trying to violate my 2nd Amendment rights?

You silly Liberal.

We don't take away rights because your all emotional. Go drink some cranberry juice.

"The president long has supported a ban, but exerted little effort to get it passed during his first term"

So to all those who posted on here to the contrary and said some pretty nasty things to anyone who tried to tell people this... You were and continue to be...full of crap. Obama and his cadre like that smeagol looking troll Finestein... are using this tragedy and others to push their agenda at the expense of millions of gun owners. To all those spouting anti NRA crap, you really should educate yourself a bit more before spewing excrement from your orifices. The NRA trains police officers as one of it's many facets. They also have a childrens firearm saftey course called "Eddy Eagle". If more kids were tought proper handling and use their would be much less problems. To those of us that grew up using them, they are nothing more than a tool that needs to be respected for the damage it can cause. To all the kids that haven't been around them and to the hood rats, they have a view of them that is based on movies and gang bangers. There is a story, right here on MSNBC that stated that the murder rate FELL by 50% since 1993. This is coupled with the fact that their are more firearms in this country than EVER before. When guns are outlawed...only outlaws will have guns. Thank god for the foresight of our forefathers and the gifts of the US Constitution. Hopefully the gaggle of lawyers that are running this country won't be able to change that document.

Thank you B.O. With the village idiot in charge, the Second Amendment has a chance live on! For if we ever loose the 2nd Amendment, the entire Bill of Rights is sure to follow!

Putting that moron in charge of anything is akin to giving a chimpanzee a hammer and a screwdriver and tell him he is in charge of building a space shuttle. Biden is a total idiot and will do more harm than good at anything he tries to do.

www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2010/crime-in-the-u.s.-2010/tables/10shrtbl08.xls

Why don't we take on bigger issues after doing the following.

1. Ban Assault weapons by reinstating the law that expired in 2004

2. Impose a mandatory 30 day waiting period on hand guns and 7 day on hunting guns even at gun shows

3. DON'T impose the # of rounds in a magazine , DON'T limit how much ammo a person can buy.

a. Burglar breaks into my house I want more than 6 round to shoot at him.

b. I buy ammo in bulk for target practice

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Alcohol deaths -- 47,000 or 128/day

1. 4 drink limit with a breath analyzer at the bar. Want more drink blow on the tube to prove you are still below the .08% legal limit.

These are typically blood alcohol content limits for the operation of a vehicle. In the United States, the legal limit can vary by state but for all states as of 2011 is 0.08% blood alcohol content as measured by a breath device, urinalysis or blood test. This legal limit is down from 0.15% just a few decades previously. -- wiki

According to the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, there are more than 23,000 deaths related to alcohol each year that are not traffic fatalities or homicides, and 14,406 of those are caused by alcoholic liver disease.(2) Adding these totals to just the total number of drunk driving fatalities alone and we can see that nearly 47,000 deaths occur as a result of these alcohol related causes alone.

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Unborn deaths - 1.21 million or 3,300/day

1. commission a committee to educate the population on proper birth control

2. ban abortions after the 80th day

3. mandatory sonogram if aborting between the 60th - 80th day

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If the school had shatter resistant thick windows he might not have even got into the school. The doors were locked he went thru a window.

We need to tackle larger issues than what happened in CT. Yes its sad and front page news but this country has larger issues to tackle that effect more of the population.

If we are going to talk about the Second Amendment then by all means lets talk about the First Amendment. Last time I check the NRA does promote or glamorize shooting cops, killing people, drive-bys or other random acts of violence.....Hollywood is the only ones that profits from that!!!!!

If we are going to start taking rights away from people because of actions of a few then we are ALL in trouble!!

independent jim -

Our forefathers also had no idea about Hustler, Playboy, television sets, etc. Are you now saying we also need to update our freedom of the press, freedom of speech, etc? If you are going to go down that slippery slope, you may as well go all the way, or be deemed forevermore as a hypocrite.

biden is a great choice the way he shoots off his mouth hes the right person for the job. i just hope he doesnt shoot himself in the foot!

I'm 100% for making changes to help those with mental issues, as any weapon in the hands of a deranged person can be deadly. You can ban assault weapons and magazine with more than 10 bullets; I really don't care either way, but anyone can still walk into an elementary school with four 9mm guns with 10 round clips and kill 20 innocent children. You can load and reload a clip in seconds.

I can't help but think what the liberal mantra is: Rahm Emanuel: "never let a crisis go to waste".

That thought makes me sick for some reason.

It's not guns, it's not video games, it's not rap music; it's mental illness. That where the focus should be. On top of that, any gun owner who leaves guns out of a safe or without locks should be help culpable. If this woman had thsoe guns locked in a safe or had gun locks, something else might have occurred but maybe not to this extent.

3000+ Americans died on September 11, 2001

We let emotions trump our Rights.

We got the Patriot Act.

Are we learning yet?

Instead of tackling gun control, tackle school security. The security is the problem here, if that school was prepared to defend itself against crazies and terrorist, the death toll would have been lower. We need a security that is second to none at the schools; without turning the school into a fortress. Guns have been around for a long time, nutcases can appear at random to do harm with whatever is at their disposal. Let's not play politics here, target the lack of security. That nutcase got away with his ways, because no one fought back.

Obama is tasking Vice President Joe Biden, a longtime gun control advocate, with spearheading the effort.

....they just have to wake Joe up and tell him he has something to do now that he's not campaigning any more. Poor guy thought he had another 4 years of sleep coming.

Unborn deaths

Oxymoron of the day!

Hey people..........THERE IS NO GUN SHOW LOOPHOLE! Guns and gun owners are not the "Boogie Man." Those calling for more laws are just delusional. I'm ashamed of how easily the anti's jump on the more laws band wagon when $hit like this happens. This is tragic for sure, this is not even questionable, but taking away the rights of law abiding citizens is wrong.

The Dog.

Biden? If it wasn't so scary it would be laughable.

Moondog: Like radical liberals always say "Never let a good crisis go to waste that allows them to pass things that could never be approved in a normal situation".

If they are going to have any hope at all of getting rid of the guns, they are going to have to - HAVE TO - secure the Mexican border. You will never be able to enforce any contraband laws so long as we have borders like Swiss Cheese.

Look to the war on drugs to see just how well "Banning" something works in this country. There are approximately 2700 illegals crossing the border EVERY day. If 10% of them bring 1 gun with them to sell on the black market that's 98,000 illegal, unregistered guns being put on the street every year.

And in order to address the problem of Mental Illness there needs to be a way to subsidize mental health care for those who need it. As well as a way to force adults to continue treatment and take medication before they pose a risk to themselves or others.

The gun violence problem will never be solved unless both parties bend in their platform. Democrats will have to give on immigration and Republicans will have to allow for subsidized mental health care. Neither party is willing to do that and so the problem will remain unsolved.

Google Operation Northwoods. Then you'll understand why citizens need to defend themselves against the Government. Then Google Operation fast and furious. That is more recent. This is a false flag and people are falling for it. The government is capable of ANYTHING! Children were killed at WACO! Google 16 year old us citizen assassinated! The adminstrations "official" response? Alwaki should have "had a more responsible father" if he didn't want to be killed> REALLY? THAT'S OBAMA's RESPONSE!!? He's guilty for his father's actions?

sighber

Gun owners and the NRA in particular could go some distance in trying to work with society in constructive ways to do something to try to make this better

That is what the PRIMARY goal of NRA and all other gun advocating organizations (GOA et al) IS. It is such a TOTAL SHAME that they have to spend so much in the way of finanacial and human resources DEFENDING those whose rights are being or intend to be infringed on. Those organizations don't want to look like the "bad guys." They want to teach, help and mentor people of all ages on the SAFE and PROPER way to own and use a gun.

I was speaking with a US Citizen that teaches English in China. Many of her students were discussing guns and remembering when they had so much fun out hunting with their grandfathers. Too bad the next generations won't have that memory. Their only memories will be a government that TOOK AWAY THEIR GUNS AND THEN SLAUGHTERED THEM.

You want to know what we fear: THAT is the main one I think. Government is NOT our friend. That is why that grand, and yes old, document the CONSTITUTION (remember that piece of paper?) was written the way it was. Some have said it is out dated and needs to be updated. Why? It is perfect already. The only ones that want to change it are those that believe our government does not have enough power. Well, check out all the countries where government has ALL POWER. Not a pretty sight.

We are supposed to have a LIMITED power. For decades now the federal government has become a power hungry pig. That is what we are afraid of. Patriot act, NAFTA, NDAA, GMO approvals and non labeling of them..... on and on and on. They do not care about us any longer. Guns are just an excuse to push their agenda further.

Here is something to take home. Put yourself in the position of a home invasion. An man (or woman, don't want to be sexist you know) gets into your house. They are a criminal. They do not obey the rules. THEY have a semi automatic, high capacity gun. If they take away our rights to a similar weapon HOW DO YOU DEFEND YOURSELF AGAINST THAT? Not with the police. THEY are NOT in your house to defend you. THEY are minutes or even hours away in some cases.

Our owning guns will NOT eliminate violence. Being able to have guns in areas that are traditionally NO GUN ZONES (like ALL of the most recent mass shootings have been and 90+% of the rest) would certainly mitigate the situation though.

Just bought myself 4 AR15 .223, 12 30-round magazines, and 1000 rounds of ammunition. Looks like all your talk about gun control is really working out in your favor. Due to your bantor about gun control, America is arming itself more so than ever before in history so even if you do pass some bogus law through legislation taking away the rights of Americans you won't be able to take the guns out of our hands, you're too late!!

Let's see just how stupid these people will get. The kid could have done it with a 9mm and a bunch of clips from California. He could have done it with a knife. The FACT is that there was no one on campus to stop him, how many tragedies like theses have been stopped by a carry conceal killing the shooter before he kill more people? If every adult had a concealed weapon no one would ever try anything remotely like this. These Dems need to look at this like intelligent people and THINK about it, not just like kids in a candy store of legislation that furthers their liberal agenda.

The 2nd Amendment right to own SOME firearms WILL BE protected.

There is no right to own: mortars, hand-grenades, mines, artillery, and other such MILITARY weaponry. Among such are assault styled weapons and (esp.) large capacity magazines.

None of the 2nd Amendment absolutists have made (or, can make) a reasonable argument defending the public's right to own assault-style weapons and large capacity magazines. They weakly argue about collectors. But, their main (often hidden) argument is their various conspiratorial fears that they will need such weapons to use against our government. Seditious intent is no argument.

Rational conservatives realize recent events warrant a renewal of the ban on assault weapons. It is now only the irrational militia types and Chicken-Little survivalists that still oppose such a ban. Even the NRA understands things must change.

We can no longer afford to pay heed to the fringe loonies in our society.

rightwing - I think that was a misreport. Not that it's easy to know because of all the false information that came out when the media was rushing to get the story out without fact-checking. Falls into the same category as the mother being found in the school, the brother being killed in Hoboken and that Ryan Lanza (it was Adam) was the shooter.

The rifle was first reported to have been used, then retracted, and then the retraction was retracted. But the last I heard, he did in fact use the rifle along with the two handguns.

The previous Federal Assault Weapons ban did not stop the Columbine massacre. The Federal Ban of 1994 included the TEC-9 and TEC-9DC which the latter was used at Columbine in 1999.

They are using this incident in a renewed effort to get more control, but they fail to realize, it didn't work before, and will not work now.

There are laws against Heroin and Meth, but is that stopping the use?

get the nuts off the street not the guns...bastards in Washington...want total control...yet we are the one's being left defenseless ...if they try to take our guns...we will be slaves to the government and corporate even more so than we already are...the laws are so out of wack with favoritism...for the rich to become richer and the poor to be at their mercy...our government is out of control...they work for us not us for them...buy american... the hell with the Chinese and south American's that steal our industry...repel NAFTA the real killer in this country...

Joe Biden is an ineffectual doofus! We will never move forward with gun control with him at the helm!

Ian - technically the reason behind the 2nd amendment was because the forefathers never wanted the American people to be at the mercy of a corrupt and unjust government again. It was intended as part of the "checks and balances" that the American people would be as well armed as the US Army so that no despotic ruler would be able to turn the military on the people and oppress them ever again.

However this was written long long ago when the best weapon available was a musket and the biggest weapon of mass destruction available was a cannon.

Clearly the American People are outgunned already by the military. There is no way we can ever defend ourselves against fighter jets, tanks, drone missles, etc. So the purpose for the amendment is clearly moot at this point.

The bigger problem with an outright ban is that it will not work. Mexico has much stricter gun laws than we do, how's that working out for them? Have the Cartels stopped shooting people?

@ Ian Embee

But, their main (often hidden) argument is their various conspiratorial fears that they will need such weapons to use against our government. Seditious intent is no argument.

An American is responsible to the U.S. Constitution, not the U.S. Government. It is this simple reversal of logic that makes you a liberal.

Sedition is not sedition at all if the Government is violating your rights. The entire Bill of Rights is set up as a countermeasure against our own Government. Why do you think its always mentioned, when other countrys (i.e. Egypt) are preparing Constitutions without a Bill of Rights, its considered pointless?

Did you think the 3rd Amendment was to keep other Governments from quartering their troops in your home?

The entire Bill of Rights, through and through, is defense against our own Government. This includes the 2nd Amendment.

(Well named) rightwingscrewball.......you said:

Quote.......For the last time! The assault rifle was found in the back of his mother's car in the parking lot!!!!........EndQuote

Anyone who, by now, does not know it was the Bushmaster that caused the carnage is Newtown must be amazingly resistant to learning and/or willfully ignorant. See: http://www.nhregister.com/articles/2012/12/16/news/doc50ce5efdd82ba900873915.txt

New Hampshire Register Article Quote.......Asked Sunday about the lethal nature of the Bushmaster assault semi-automatic weapon used by the killer, Carver said, “It is said that the most lethal thing on the battlefield is a Marine with one of these rifles and momma Marine Corps didn’t raise no fools.”.......EndQuote

Anti-assault-weapons-ban fanatics: It is statements (by your folks) such as this, that causes the majority of us to be increasingly dismissive toward your sentiments.

Let's all hope this actually is the "last time" rightwingscrewball propagates this foolish ignorance.

BTW rightwingscrewball---Google "Newtown autopsy weapon". You will find all the evidence needed to prove your statement FALSE. If you won't undertake the small effort to understand the facts, consider simply remaining quiet.

So, some of you people believe that we can stop gun violence if we make them illegal? Awesome!!! Let's do that with Heroin and Meth too!!! We'll be free of bad guys with guns and drug addicts in no time.

@ pro business

Yeah. I feel like big brother is trying to force me to slip on some panties. What happened to the country I love?

The Dog

As long as it's not all about "mental health", in which case it will go nowhere.

• Let's try to prevent the carnage and ban high-capacity magazines and assault weapons NOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW

I love it! Oblameo puts the nut-case in charge of the new gun control initiative! Jumpin' Joe could barely keep himself under control during the socalled debates. I wonder what will happen when he sneers at somebody over gun control legislation. The village idiot should not be allowed to have weapons of any kind, but that leaves ole Jumpin' out because he is permently disabled.

GM Tramp..........ROTFLMFAO at your post #1.15!!!!! But after the laughing is over the solid hit from reality makes one realize just how true it really is! Then it becomes absolutely SCARY!

@ Ian Emdee

Anyone who, by now, does not know it was the Bushmaster that caused the carnage is Newtown must be amazingly resistant to learning and/or willfully ignorant

Per MSN

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/12/14/15913678-gunmans-mother-owned-weapons-used-in-connecticut-school-massacre?lite

9mm handguns, one made by Glock and the other by Sig Sauer, were recovered inside the school. An AR-15-type rifle also was found at the scene, but there were conflicting reports Friday night whether it had been used in the shooting.

Police later confirmed the AR15 was in the trunk.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wLrxSgkqJQc

It appears you are the one with difficulty learning. More appropriately, you have selective hearing loss.

Ok SabotAndHeat......

We all know (by your screen name and avatar) that you are a militia boy scout. Furthermore, we know there is little any of us can do to relieve you of your dark conspiratorial fantasies.

What we CAN do is take away (the most dangerous of) your military toys. The "Constitution" (as interpreted by the Supreme Court) does not confer upon you any RIGHT to possess such weaponry.

We are a nation of laws rather than one of tribal war lords. Bring your claims (of rights violations) to court. Until and unless you follow this course, you are but a potential domestic terrorist.

However, please do keep talking. Sooner or later, someone (in our Constitutionally commissioned government) will take notice.

@ Haggisbingo

NOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW

Pitching a temper tantrum won't help you get your way.

@SabotAndHeat

Just to get your attention, guber

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!

Joe "Bite Me" Biden? Does poor lil Joe know where Newtown even is? Better make sure he knows which state it's in, he may end up in Massachusetts or Maine instead of Connecticut.

I thought Joe "Robinette" Biden (yes, that's his real middle name) was our foreign policy guru. I guess he decided not to play in that area anymore after the Benghazi report came out. I'm sure the Constitution hating Liberals/Progressives will just throw together some meaningless legislation like they did in 1994 to pacify their emotional response to all problems. Of course no meaningful effect was ever seen with the assault weapons ban.

But that's OK. In Liberal LaLa Land it doesn't matter if any policy works or not, it just matters that someone cares, someone is passionate about it. Typical Liberal mentality, symbolism over substance.

Know guns, know peace, know safety....No guns, no peace, no safety.

We let emotions trump logic. In an emotional state we allowed the Patriot Act, a massive give away of constitutionally protected rights, to be implemented. Since it was enacted only 1% of all spying on American citizens has been related to terrorism.

Again in an emotional state, this country is considering yet another massive give away of our rights. We've tried it before with the AWB in the "90's, and it didn't do anything to limit gun violence. It won't work this time either.

The root cause of all crime is explained by several theories on criminology, none of which indicate guns as being the cause of crime. Guns are a tool used by some criminals, and yes banning ALL guns would reduce gun violence. But short of banning and confiscating ALL guns, arbitrary bans on certain types of weapons are illogical, unnecessary violations of the constitution which do nothing to limit gun violence.

Much like a doctor treats the disease and not the symptom, society should address the root causes of crime and not make rash, emotional decisions every time a new symptom emerges.

@ Ian Emdee

I don't need to bring it to court...you do.

Your the one complaining.

My rights are firmly in place. All sidearms, rifles and magazines accounted for.

P.S. I'm in the "big" militia...you know, the U.S. Army.

@Haggisbingo

Guber?

Isnt that a violation of the Newsvine rules?

Number one if remember correctly.

Resorting to name calling is typical for those with limited debating skills.

The 2nd Amendment does not specify a caliber or weapon style. The intent of the 2nd amendment is to allow the people the means to stand up against a tyrannical government. Protection against home invasions and mass killers is an added bonus. "the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed", means it shall not be infringed. ANY LAW limiting the ownership of ANY WEAPON is infringing upon my rights as a U.S. Citizen. According to the intent of the law, I should be allowed to own and maintain mortars, tanks, grenades and even nuclear warheads! Could they have forseen the invention of the Atom bomb? Probably not, so I'm with ya on that one. I'm nearly certain they would have included a nuclear arms clause in the amendment. Our beloved bureaucratic elected idiots are becoming more and more power hungry every day. We are on the cusp of tyrannical at this very moment. We have Police officers shooting unarmed civilians and busting in doors of innocent families nearly everyday. We have international UN "peacekeepers" standing outside our polling stations. The liberals demand identification and background checks to purchase a weapon but protest against the same requirements to vote. YOU are the ignorant "loonie" in our society, Ian Emdee. You want our government to install a ban on assault weapons? The same government that delivered thousands of them to Mexican drug cartels? The government that purposefully detonated nuclear weapons upwind of small Nevada towns so the could study the affects of radiation fallout on American Citizens? The same government that just condemned 4 Americans to death in Behnghazi and tried to lie to the American people because it wouldn't look good politically? The same government that tested psychotropic drugs on unwitting soldiers? MK Ultra, The Tuskegee experiments, 1975
The virus section of Fort DetrickÕs Center for Biological Warfare Research is renamed the Fredrick Cancer Research Facilities and placed under the supervision of the National Cancer Institute (NCI). It is here that a special virus cancer program is initiated by the U.S. Navy, purportedly to develop cancer-causing viruses. It is also here that retro-virologist isolate a virus to which no immunity exists. It is
later named HTLV (Human T-cell Leukemia Virus).

1977
Senate hearings on Health and Scientific Research confirm that 239 populated areas had been contaminated with biological agents between 1949 and 1969. Some of the areas included San Francisco, Washington, D.C., Key West, Panama City, Minneapolis, and St. Louis.

1978
Experimental Hepatitis B vaccine trials, conducted by the CDC, begin in New York, Los Angeles and San Francisco. Ads for research subjects specifically ask for promiscuous homosexual men.

1981
First cases of AIDS are confirmed in homosexual men in New York, Los Angeles and San Francisco, triggering speculation that AIDS may have been introduced via the Hepatitis B vaccine.

1985
According to the journal Science (227:173-177), HTLV and VISNA, a fatal sheep virus, are very similar, indicating a close taxonomic and evolutionary relationship.

1986
According to the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences (83:4007-4011), HIV and VISNA are highly similar and share all structural elements, except for a small segment which is nearly identical to HTLV. This leads to speculation that HTLV and VISNA may have been linked to produce a new retro virus to which no natural immunity exists. A report to Congress reveals that the U.S. Government's current
generation of biological agents includes: modified viruses, naturally occurring toxins, and agents that are altered through genetic engineering to change immunological character and prevent treatment by all existing vaccines.

1987
Department of Defense admits that, despite a treaty banning research and development of biological agents, it continues to operate research facilities at 127 facilities and universities around the nation.

1990
More than 1500 six-month old black and Hispanic babies in Los Angeles are given an 'experimental' measles vaccine that had never been licensed for use in the United States. CDC later admits that parents were never informed that the vaccine being injected to their children was experimental.

1994
With a technique called 'gene tracking,' Dr. Garth Nicolson at the MD Anderson Cancer Center in Houston, TX. discovers that many returning Desert Storm veterans are infected with an altered strain of Mycoplasma incognitus, a microbe commonly used in the production of biological weapons. Incorporated into its molecular structure is 40 percent of the HIV protein coat, indicating that it had been man-made.
Senator John D. Rockefeller issues a report revealing that for at least 50 years the Department of Defense has used hundreds of thousands of military personnel in human experiments and for intentional exposure to dangerous substances. Materials include mustard and nerve gas, ionizing radiation, psycho chemicals, hallucinogens, and drugs used during the Gulf War.

1995
U.S. Government admits that it had offered Japanese war criminals and scientists who had performed human medical experiments salaries and immunity from prosecution in exchange for data on biological warfare research. Dr. Garth Nicolson, uncovers evidence that the biological agents used during the Gulf War had been manufactured in Houston, Tx. and Boca Raton, FL. And tested on prisoners in the Texas Department of Corrections.

1996
Department of Defense admits that Desert Storm soldiers were exposed to chemical agents.

1997
Eighty-eight members of Congress sign a letter demanding an investigation into bio-weapons use & Gulf War Syndrome.

This is who you trust? This is who you want to "protect" you?

You are an ignorant lemming.

"MY GUNS, MY RIGHTS, MY FREEDOM does not supersede MY LIFE or the lives of anybody else. I have no problem with people like you shooting your guns UNTIL you point them at me."

freedomfrys, so, in other words, even though he has never hurt anyone, it's ok to take away something that he owns, something that he had the right to buy in the first place, just because your in a fear monger mode? Thank God for the media and government, they are doing a fine job of getting the public all lathered up about this. What's next on the agenda to take away from everybody, cell phones, cars, the internet?

I'm reading some good comments and some idiotic ones as well. Going back to the old saying "guns don't kill people, people kill people". Blaming guns for killing people is as stupid as blaming the car when some drunk kills a family with it. More people are killed every year by drunk drivers than are killed by guns, but I don't see a ban on alcohol, or cars. In Texas it's a second degree felony to point a gun at someone, yet it's only a class B misdemeanor to to point a 4,000 lb. killing machine at everyone on the road. Wake up people, the problem is not guns it's people. People are the problem.

Glad we finally have a President and Vice President ready to stand up to the NRA.

PEOPLE WITH GUNS KILL PEOPLE.

Always remember the dead children and their teachers in Scotland and Newtown killed by assault weapons. We know their families will always remember.

BAN ALL AUTOMATIC AND SEMI-AUTOMATIC WEAPONS OF WAR.

<b>"Phones: NO, they are great little tracking devices that we pay hundreds for.

Cars: NO, they just want to make sure they are fuel efficient and in 10 years they will start making power requirements for civilian autos.

Internet: NO, they just want to control the sh!t out of it so they can control the spread of information"</b>

Lol, yeah, I could have said knives, ball bats and dogs.

@ Ian Emdee

However, please do keep talking. Sooner or later, someone (in our Constitutionally commissioned government) will take notice.

Ah yes, talking...the next Right that Liberals are trying to control and limit.

@ Silverton

People without guns kill people too....now what? We only have a dozen current examples from around the world that when gun-bans pass, gun crimes sky rocket. Gosh, how's that gonna save you from that criminal confontation you fear so much?

How about we just make murder illegal?

Enough of that common sense carnley, please, you're only going to confuse those with a one track mind.

Glad to know there is mounting support for banning all assault weapons in the US.

Heard yesterday on the news that a family member of one of the slain children said that some of the families are already talking about organizing an effort to enforce stricter gun laws.

It is heart-breaking that it takes a tragedy of this magnitude to finally take action about this.

The aunt of the killer's dead mother said that the reason the mother had five assault weapons in her home was because she was a single woman and needed protection.

Hmmm .... wonder if a security system, a barking dog, a small handgun in her nightstand drawer, and a cell phone to call 911 would have worked?

Was she expecting an army of intruders?

She lived with a 20-year-old son that she knew was mentally disturbed with anti-social behavior and yet she taught him the fun hobby of shooting assault weapons?

I wonder if she should have taught him tennis, or chess, or golf, or horseback riding instead?

I wonder how many children he would have been able to kill with a golf club? Even if she had taught him knife-throwing, he would not have been able to kill 20 children and 6 teachers in TWO MINUTES.

Not even that guy in China that stabbed 22 children, killed any of them.

I have owned a gun and enjoy target shooting, but I say

BAN ALL AUTOMATIC AND SEMI-AUTOMATIC ASSAULT WEAPONS OF WAR.

You dudes have the right to bear arms, but not weapons of war, you guys are starting to sound like Militants !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

"PEOPLE WITH GUNS KILL PEOPLE."

People with knives can kill people.

People with baseball bats can kill people.

People with rocks can kill people.

People with airplanes can kill people.

Any government with a finger on the button can kill people.

Silverton, do you notice any pattern in all of those? It's not what they use that counts, it's the fact that people still kill people.

I think that one of the first things we need to do is revamp our school security systems nation wide. A good beginning would be to install an electronic lock down system with an alarm in every class room, gym, & cafeteria in all schools. Each school employee could be given a device similar to the one worn by many of our elderly in the event of a fall or other emergency. With the simple click of a button any one of them could initiate a total lock down of the entire school in an emergency. Obviously this will cost, but I think it would be less costly long term than placing an armed guard in every school & probably should be part of any security plan anyway. If all the doors in a school were to lock simultaneously the ability of a gunman or any dangerous person to move about freely would be seriously restricted.

.The guns law in Connecticut works, the shooter was not able to buy legally an assault weapon, in fact he had to stole the weapons , more control won't make any difference , this guy like the others shooters did not care about laws. Here is the hypocrisy from the left , who don't care about the Constitution, who always had the intention to take away guns from law abiding people, and the right to defend them-self or defend the freedom of our country against tyranny of the Government. However this is also about life and death and the value of the human life, the "progressive" group who are the ones that desensitise our society giving zero value to an unborn child ."The president has vowed to use "whatever power this office holds" to safeguard the nation's children " is all over the media, but here we have the Abortionist in Chief who support a piece of legislation in is own state of Illinois giving the right to a mother to kill his own born child is it was in a procedure of late term abortion, and now he pretend to care about child's. Hypocrisy at large from the left.

Hi Scooter, Midnightridr -

I will never understand why, after the first school shooting years ago, teachers who were qualified were not allowed to have a firearm in locked, secure safe in case of emergencies.

There have been too many school shootings and these fools think a legal ban on guns will stop an illegal assault on schools or a business or a public venue? Oh, yeah...

Beam me up, Scotty, no intelligent life here......

Please... allow me to remind anyone who did not read the articles about the professor (female) in Huntsville, AL who shot up the faculty there.... she was also suspected of sending pipe bombs to other faculty in Massachusetts she was angry with. They just didn't want to pursue it and quietly sent her on her way. Damn Yankees.

Well, oskar, I am anti-abortion myself (with exceptions), and I care about unborn children.

But, I also care about those children that have already been born.

BAN ALL AUTOMATIC AND SEMI-AUTOMATIC WEAPONS OF WAR.

Connecticut is 4th in the nation for strict gun control laws. So I thought stuff like this should happen there... {sarcasm}

Notice how the media and anti-gun politicians immediately jumped on this, (Behavior typical of all scavengers...), while the pro-gunners stepped back to give respect to those who had their loved ones lives violently stolen from them.

Oh wait! This is just like NYC, Chicago, et al. Take the guns away from the LAW ABIDING CITIZENS so the criminals on both sides of the fence, (thugs and cops), can rob and rape us. Sure the cops and courts will still go after the other criminals, but do you realize that prisons are actually traded on Wall Street? Go check that one out! And that the cops and judges retirement funds are invested in these entities? Oh wait. isn't that called "a conflict of interest?"

Get a clue the 2nd A is NOT about hunting. It IS about personal defense from invaders, (criminals), BOTH FOREIGN AND DOMESTIC.

An interesting read:

Issues:Gun Ownership

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed. - The United States Constitution, Amendment 2

There exists a large section of the population that seems confused about the second amendment. They argue that it is not a personal right, but rather the right of a state to operate it's own security force. They argue that this force today is called the State Guard.

No State shall, without the Consent of Congress, ... , keep Troops, or Ships of War in time of Peace, ... - The United States Constitution, Article 1 Section 10

The President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the Militia of the several States, when called into the actual Service of the United States;... - The United States Constitution, Article 2 Section 2 Clause 1

Since Article 1 Section 10 says that no state may have it's own troops without the consent of Congress, but Article 2 Section 2 Clause 1 says that the President is the Commander in Chief of the militias of the several states when called into service, the two cannot possibly be the same thing. The Constitution would not use two different terms for the same thing, in one section prohibiting it and in the other declaring the command of it.

In addition to its National Guard, if any, a State, the Commonwealth of Puerto Rico, the District of Columbia, Guam, or the Virgin Islands may, as provided by its laws, organize and maintain defense forces. A defense force established under this section may be used within the jurisdiction concerned, as its chief executive (or commanding general in the case of the District of Columbia) considers necessary, but it may not be called, ordered, or drafted into the armed forces. - United States Code 32 Section 109(c)

The State Guard system was established, with the consent of Congress, with the passing of Title 32. This means that the State Guard is not the militia, but the state troops referenced in Article 1 Section 10. Other people argue that the word "militia" is in reference to private citizens with arms. The only question is, is there any indication that is the case?

A well regulated militia, composed of the body of the People, being the best security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed, but no one religiously scrupulous of bearing arms, shall be compelled to render military service in person. - Article the Fifth, House of Representatives August 24 1789

This is the text of what would become Amendment 2, as it was passed by the United States House of Representatives in August of 1789. The version that know today was passed by the United States Senate on September 9 1789. The above version is clear, it is a personal right of the people.

To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress; - The United States Constitution, Article 1 Section 8 Clause 16

When the militias are to be called into actual service, Congress has the power to organize and arm the parts of the militias called into service. Even in this situation, when called into actual official duty under command of the President of the United States, the Constitution clearly says that the states have the authority to train the militias, while Congress has the authority to set training standards for those who actually serve. No power exists over those who do not serve.

All federal, state, and local gun control laws are unconstitutional since they violate the constitutional right to keep and bear arms.

-- "The Psychotic Libertarian" {Anonymous}

How did she get a bushmaster in the first place?? I thought you had to have a class 3 lic to purchase said weapon?

It's a shame the principal or another administrator hadn't taken a gun course and licensed to carry. They locked the guy out, he shot his way through the locked doors and then the principal charged him. It would have been much easier to set up, take aim and shoot the gunmen when he walked through the hole in the door. In this instance it would have been easy as they plenty of time to wait for him. Other times it's so instantaneous in might not help; but it would have here.

Don't listen to the Gubers and the NRA:

• BAN high-capacity magazines and assault weapons. "Mental health" is a red herring and will result in twiddling of thumbs until the next kindergarten massacre.”

Whitewolfyeti -

I include you in my "hello" this morning, as you have an awesome, intelligent post... though the rabid anti-gun contingent will miss the irony.

Xina Saying a weaker opponent with mostly small arms could not prevail against a super power is FALSE.. Have you never heard of Vietnam or Afghanistan?? It is motivation and strategy that wins wars unless you go all the way to a slaughter of all the indigenous population like in biblical times when invaders killed every last man woman and child..

Those of you who are Po Pooing Biden forget he wrote the last ban bill for Clinton.. All it succeeded in doing was raise the prices of firearms and make a few liberal investors filthy rich.. Tackling the welfare state and disgusting moral standards in the inner cities seems to be a forgotten issue.. More people including children die each day from gang related and urban blight crimes then this sad event.. The politicians smell another tax like sharks smell blood.. They want insane taxes on guns and ammunition to feed their government employee entitlement disaster.. They did this in Ohio saying the lotto would be all for schools but they put it in the general fund and most of it goes to their retirement liability..

The NRA is not the boogie man but American citizens acting collectively for a cause just like your dear leader Obama touts as community organizing.. Why would any sane person throw their rights away and allow government to be all powerful?? Our founding fathers are spinning in their graves and would be disgusted at what America has become.. Billions of people living off the working people and moral standards in the gutter makes me sick and it would have sickened them.. Sick minds find ways to complete their tasks of evil and that has been pointed out numerous times.. You are being fooled into thinking one weapon is more dangerous than another.. 2 shotguns would have been far worse then the pistols and rifle in close quarters.. The SMLE bolt action rifle can be fired 30+ times in one minute using a cartridge that is several times more deadly then the .556 round.. A pointed stick could have been used or a machete have been used to kill entire villages in Africa.. It is not the weapon but the sick mind bent on killing that is the problem.. When will people learn that snap decisions made when you are emotionally compromised are usually poor ones {patriot act}.. Pigeon holing gun owners as all violent squish heads is what the liberal propaganda machine has been doing and the herd of followers is sucking it in...

NYC Mayor/Gun control Nazi, Mike Bloomberg said about Sandy Hook.

"This only happens in America."

Perhaps in your head, sir.

@ Silverton

Was she expecting an army of intruders?

Perhaps its none of your business to know why.

She wasnt liable to you or me to explain why she had them. She legally owned all of the weapons. A criminal stole her weapons, killed her and went on a shooting spree in an elementary school.

How is this her fault? You Liberals are shifting blame to completely innocent, murdered woman. Then you sit here and wallow in your verbal sewer like pigs.

Why are we even talking about gun control? Instead of outlawing guns. lets just outlaw murder.... It makes exactly as much sense as making laws saying badguys can't have guns.

You fit a pattern haggis. The way you go over board with your posts, you have to be either, 1. a total fear monger, or 2. a paid agenda poster.

silverton-2953905

Well, oskar, I am anti-abortion myself (with exceptions), and I care about unborn children.

But, I also care about those children that have already been born.

I guess you are more qualified than Obama and Biden to talk about violence and gun control.

Don't listen to the Leftists and the RDDB's:

RESIST self absorbed Leftists and their knee jerk, anti-Constitutional diatribe. "BAN Assault Rifles" is a red herring and will result in twiddling of thumbs until the next of our rights is destroyed because of emotional eruptions.

Spamming is fun Haggisbingo, now I see why you do it all the time.

The human race has been dealing with stuff LO-O-O-ONG before we even had guns.

"Good people do not need laws to tell them to act responsibly, while bad people will find a way around the laws." -- Plato (423 BC – 348 BC)

Haggis: Actually, gun control is the red herring. People have the inherent right to defend themselves any way possible. But for the mentally ill to walk about freely so they can infringe on the rights, and more specifically, the lives of others... Sorry bud, you need to step away from the bong.

"Throughout history, there have only been two groups of people that have never been allowed guns: Slaves and Conquered Nations. And which one are they trying to make us in America?" -- Sheriff Richard Mack

"Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it." -- George Santayana

Also, the majority of the people on this thread, (anti-gunners included), are not SHOUTING at each other. This eludes that your level of maturity is HIGHLY lacking and you should not be taken seriously... AT ALL.

(NOTE: I believe it is understood the emphasizing one or more words to make a point is completely different than "emphasizing" the whole statement.)

Randy-840072

How did she get a bushmaster in the first place?? I thought you had to have a class 3 lic to purchase said weapon?

Only for fully automatic weapons.

"Crisis Management" in action.....full speed ahead.

V.P. Biden did so well with negotiating the "Budget Deficit Reduction" last year, he has been elevated to another job.

im a supporter of the entire bill of rights ,not just the ones I pick and choose to fit my needs and wants, im also a gun owner as well as a concealed weapons license holder and I do take my pistol just about everywhere I go. you never know when you go to the grocery store if some heartless thug is going to come in and open fire. I for one would not want to find myself completely at the mercy of one of these murderers. if im carrying and atleast able to return fire maybe he or she wont kill as many people. and yes theres a risk of an innocent person being shot but by an armed person who is trying to stop the crazed gunman before he or she can kill as many people as possible but that happens even with trained police officers. I keep my guns loaded but the pistol I have has 2 safety measures that must be in certain positions before the gun will fire. and I take my kids to the shooting range with me and both of them have fired my pistol. see they know what will happen if they point that gun and pull the trigger. I understand that may not be for everyone but my 19 year old son has been around guns his whole life and has never been in any trouble. I do believe there should be a more appropriate age restriction to buy and own a gun. I know that I was a bit of a hot head when I was in my early 20s so I didn't own a gun at that age. then again I could fight and run a lot better in those days. I think the age limit to buy, own and carry a gun should be atleast 30. at that age you have had time to get all the wild oats out and your able to use your brain instead of fists or weapons to get thru tough situations. im very sad and heart broken that this piece of garbage took all those innocent lives but taking guns away from law abiding citizens only empowers criminals and leaves us at their mercy! and tho I am usually one of the first people to get on here and yell and scream about my rights and my freedoms I think enough is enough and if responsible gun owners have to be inconvenienced so that children can attend school without the fear of being murdered where they should be learning about the world they live in is not to much to ask! I have no use for an ak47 or that type of weapon nor do I know of any person or situation that would call for such a weapon. I have a pistol, a rifle, and a shotgun. plenty of ammo so im good. but if I decide to buy another gun in the future and it takes 30 days that is just fine by me if it helps to keep kids safe. I don't see how it would because criminals buy their guns off the street not at gun shops but anyway if it helps. im all for it. I think we should have armed teachers or put police in schools. I know people say it would cost to much but you know what? if you go to any bank in the town I live in. they keep at least one police officer in each bank at all times! so does that mean the peoples precious all mighty dollar is more important than their children? god I hope not. anyway ,enough is enough! do something to protect the children, if one more school gets shot up and one more child or anyone for that matter dies because the government is just sitting on their hands waiting for this kind of tragedy to happen again, then the blood of that innocent child will forever be on all of the hands of the people in power who have done nothing to protect the lives of the people that make this country as great as it could be and once was. that's it im done , rant over..peace! and I will pray for the families who lost a loved one in this tragedy. I hope you can find peace again someday.

Thanks, scott.

And there are millions of responsible gun owners out there that feel as we do as well.

I have owned a gun and enjoy target shooting.

My son and his young wife have permits to carry a concealed weapon and do so at times. I have no problem with that.

But, we need to reinstate the laws restricting automatic and semi-automatic assault weapons of war.

@Randy-840072

You need a Class 3 to purchase a FULL AUTOMATIC weapon. The Bushmaster in question is semi-automatic (one shot per pull of trigger).

VP Joe Boden is an excellent choice to oversee this epidemic crisis. I am not against people owning guns, I am against people owning guns that can kill twenty-six people, in a matter of minutes. I have heard the arguement "people can kill with a knife." True, you can kill with your own bare hands if needed. But not twenty-six people, in a matter of minutes. There are those who say"Guns don't kill people, people kill people." Well, stop selling guns to people!

Adam Lanza had a plan. He wanted to go out, "in a blaze of gory!" He made have has mental health issues but, there are others out there thinking, they can do one better. I cannot conceive of anything a heinous, as this massacre of innocent, little children and innocent teachers. But somehow, someway, if the method of owning and receiving guns is not regulated or stopped, there will be another Adam Lanza. God help us all but especially, help the loved ones of these victims. I wish them well.

SabotAndHeat.......you said:

Quote.......... I'm in the "big" militia...you know, the U.S. Army.......EndQuote

Good. That's where you need to be, in a VERY well regulated, highly regimented organization subject to the UCMJ.

Those of us who have personal experience in the U.S. military know well there are some within who bear watching.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/09/11/us/georgia-soldiers-plot/index.html

After reading the rants from the anti-gun side, I can now see how we get the worthless officials in power that we have. I believe whitewolfyeti said it best: "So, some of you people believe that we can stop gun violence if we make them illegal? Awesome!!! Let's do that with Heroin and Meth too!!! We'll be free of bad guys with guns and drug addicts in no time."

In so few words, he hit the nail right on the head. Ask yourselves, how well the war on drugs is doing these days even though drugs are illegal? We have an army in Afghanistan, yet, it still is the worlds largest supplier of poppies, and no, they don't supply the kind for growing in your gardens. Stop and think about it for a moment. If our government can't/won't even stop the drug flow to our children, how are they going to stop others from gunning them down? They either can not, or just plain will not do it, no matter what laws you people want.

Randy This confusion is at the heart of the anti-gun misinformation propaganda.. A class 3 automatic weapon is far different then a semi-automatic weapon.. Although with permits and a lot of cash some states allow ownership NO full auto weapons have ever been used to kill someone in the United States since the gangland days of the 1930s except 2x times by police and in the movies.. If you watched these movies and think this is what is really going on then you should never ever own a gun!!

OK, I have heard about enough on this gun control garbage. Train the teachers (all) for cc and have finger print lock boxes built into the wall in EVERY room. The teacher brings in their weapon EVERY day and places it inside and takes it home every day. NO MORE (gun free) KILLING ZONES!! This just lets the killers know where to go hunting! If you dont believe me put a sign in your yard that says "THIS HOUSE IS A GUN FREE HOUSE" and see WHOS house gets broken into!! And DONT call me when it happens. And all you parents out there start actually Raising your kids instead of drugging them or putting them in front of a tv or video game. TEACH them respect for others and TEACH them the difference between a toy and a real gun so there are no accidents. I know I did with mine from about 2 years old and they are SAFE! We have ALLOWED liberals to raise and dumb down society long enough. TAKE YOUR FAMILY BACK! I CANT STAND STUPID ASS LIBERALS!!!!!!!!!

Obama
to task Biden to spearhead White House response to shootings

Wow, I did not know Obama hates Biden that much. We all know that Biden does not even know how to spell GUN - too many letters, you know.

freedomfry - "The second amendment should have been trumped"

WHAT????????????????????????????

Guns
have been around since this country started. The founding fathers thought the
right to bear arms was so important we have the 2nd amendment. But all of a
sudden America is unable to handle the evil gun?????

What
about personnel responsibility

what
about basic civics

What
about giving your kid a smack and tell them to straighten up if they need it ( NOT beat them - disipline)

What
about owning up to the fact of our failure to treat mental illness

What
about owning up to our failure to Lock up / punish people the FIRST time they
do wrong and show not acceptable

What
about realizing that bad people will do bad things with or without the evil Gun

What
about parents teaching their kids respect of others

What
about parents teaching kids the golden rule - To Love Others As You Love Yourself

What
about ......

But
no let’s take the easy way out and Blame a object (the gun) that cant do
anything by it self.

But
no let’s take away RIGHTS of the law abiding person to own a gun

I have had a gun for about 25year it never killed anyone, its a good gun, why are
you blaming it?????

Why would you want to take away my rights? Can I take away some of your rights?

Thank You President Obama for putting GO! GO! JOE! in charge.

Flaws in theories:

Violent movies, billions watched, more people should be dead.

video games, billions played, more people should be dead,

Guns and weapons, multiple billions sold, more should be dead.

mental illness, 100's of 1000's afflicted, too many people dead.

Math seems clear to me.

Would one of you progressives tell me why Dianne Feinstein should be allowed a special "no restriction" license to carry when one does not exist for us "little people" ? So she is leading the attack on gun control...watch out she is armed.

Biden should not be allowed in public with out a drool bib. In the bottom 10% of all his classes in college and law school....yeah Joe knows law...right. Watch out he is unarmed in the battle of wits.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/18/dianne-feinstein-concealed-weapon-bill_n_1434798.html

Guns don't kill people bullets kill people. Ban automobiles they kill more people than guns every year.

Ban Governments that sell weapons to Drug Cartels. ENOUGH ! Guns will not go away. We don't need more laws, we need to follow the ones we already have. Fix the economy then worry about guns.

Freedomfry. you sir are retarded. My gun killed fewer people than Ted Kennedy's car !

HOW.... do you know these attacks are not orchestrated? HOW.... do you know these attacks arent being used to disarm america? There are way way too many INCONSISTENCIES in both the physical evidence and the governments accounts. Beware of any KNEE JERK REACTIONS to attacks like these. they are being used to DISARM america.

@MCQ12...hey, hey HEY!!! Wait just one minute. Dont you know the libs have already taken those rights away from you! You CANT discipline your child anymore, you CANT decide what is acceptable anymore its the schools right or "society" in general. You know "it takes a village"? You CANT decide what their morals are to be. B.S. Libs just suck and thats all there is to it. NO brains just "feelings".

Seems like some are uneducated...automatic rifles are heavilty restricted by an expensive and extensive back ground check.......big time. I prefer semi auto for my deer hunting and semi auto for dove hunting in fact a bushmaster with a scope is fine deer rifle.

But for home protection a shotgun with hollow shot is the best and doesn't endanger other people in the rest of the house.

Well, Freedomfrys - I'd be more concerned of being one of the more than 12,000 innocent people a year that are killed by a drunk driver than by an NRA member's son. You should spend your time trying to ban alcohol and automobiles.

@ Randy-840072 #1.90

How did she get a bushmaster in the first place?? I thought you had to have a class 3 lic to purchase said weapon?

I don't know if Randy is being factious or not in referencing how so many people are referring to the Bushmaster AR-15 as an Assault Rifle. While in many states it is legal to possess such a firearm(Assault Rifle), it requires that you be associated with law enforcement or have a Class 3 FFL. Other wise, it is NOT an Assault rifle.

And here in lies the problem, we have very ignorant people clamoring to regulate an industry and products in which they know nothing. "Hey, a gun is gun and I don't care". Well drugs are drugs and I don't care. We need to shoot all Drug Offenders. Marijuana is killing thousands of people. We need to regulate it more.

Drug overdoses and brain damage linked to long-term drug abuse killed an estimated 37,485 people in 2009,[ABC News]

And many of these people think that 'banning' guns is the solution. Well the 1994 gun ban proved that it will have little affect on gun violence, which is why it was allowed to expire. Now, if you are talking about a 'ban' with confiscation, how do you propose to do that, with out violating gun owners 4th and 5th Amendment rights? A buy back program? We don't have enough money to run the government let alone buy all the guns in this country. [w.michael-reese.com/blog/why-our-government-cannot-balance-the-budget.php]

We tried to outlaw alcohol many years ago, and one can easily see where that led to. So we have to figure out away to deal with DWI, because people still drive drunk. We ban guns, they will still be here, just as the booze was then, but it will be the "Gansters/ Criminals" who will control them. Don't believe me? How's that war on drugs going? They still manufacture meth, here. How hard do you think it is to make a gun? (here's a hint, I have made several, from scratch. even though they were single shot muzzle loaders, but nothing is stopping me from machining out a full auto except going to jail) All you need is a lathe and mill, and maybe a broach or two. (I have a mill and a buddy has a lathe)

So, what do we do? Violate a God given right to self defense, from Predators (remember there are people in this country who live and make a living in regions where they have to carry a sidearm to defend against bears, mt lions, wolves, not to mention Hoodlums, and maybe someday the very government.)

Up until 1934, any one in the US could order and have shipped through the USPS, a fully automatic sub-machine(Tommy Gun) or even a BAR(both were heavily used during WWII). Where were all the spree shootings then?(other than criminal gangland) It was not uncommon to walk into a hardware store and buy a case of dynamite to remove tree stumps. If easy access to deadly weapons is the measure of a deadly society, why were things like the "Bath School Disaster" not regular occurrences?

Fox has reported that the reason this guy snapped, is that he found out his mother was going through the process of having him committed, [w.foxnews.com/us/2012/12/18/fear-being-committed-may-have-caused-connecticut-madman-to-snap]

Unfortunately, our courts have determined that mentally ill individuals have the right to refuse treatment (an unintended consequence of liberal legislation following the movie One Flew Over The Cuckoos Nest).

It has become a very complicated process to have someone committed, as it should be, but perhaps that process needs to be evaluated.

Now then, given that information and the lack of information about the "security" of the guns in questions, at this point it is still impossible to know how he got access to the guns involved. i.e We do not know what precautions she took, if any. I can tell you one thing that is FACT, the reporting on this incident is crap. E.G

Last night, after I saw a talking head interview (or, I should say, NOT interview) the father of the boy who saw his teacher get shot and ran for his life with a couple of friends, I told my husband, “Something is not right here. She didn’t ask a single relevant question. So far, this boy is the only eye-witness of the gunman coming forward. She didn’t ask if the boy saw one or more shooters. She didn’t ask any details of what the gunman did first, second, third. She didn’t ask for a description of the gunman. These reporters are complete prostitutes. They could care less about the feelings of the people they interview. So why didn’t she ask any of these questions?” In fact, I could tell she was biting back questions. I looked at my husband and said, “Cal, this thing is starting to stink. By now, there should be many eye-witness accounts of the actual gunman. There should be breathless survivors talking about how this guy walked by their room, etc. About how they narrowly escaped.

I am not one of those tin hat conspiracy types, but the coincidence that this guys Father and the Father of the Aurora, Co. shooter were set to testify in the LIBOR Scandal, is very intriguing.

NO, the only thing that has changed in the last 80 or so years is the Secular Progressive agenda has wove its tentacles into society. Family is irrelevant. Dads are irrelevant. Without the Father, the mothers too becomes irrelevant as they are busy earn a living, instead caring for their young. This is left to the daycare and schools. Males, especially white males, are irrelevant or even 'need' to be marginalized. Morals and Personal Responsibility are irrelevant. History is irrelevant.

My point is, since the 60's and the Progressive march toward hedonism in this country, with the rise of the welfare state, and easy divorce, discipline in this country is gone. No longer are men being raised by fathers. And how do you become a real Man, if you don't have one to show you the way? Granted it isn't always successful, but it is more successful than the alternative.

When you can prove that banning, or confiscating Automatic or Semi-automatic Arms in the UNITED STATES will successfully reduce crime and the risk of Socialist Government control, then I will relinquish my weapons. I have shown IRREFUTABLY, that access to deadly weapons is not the cause of this, nor is banning them a reasonable solution. PROVE ME WRONG.

You cannot continue to use the UK, Canada and Australia as examples. These are relatively monolithic ethnic countries, of a small population. If you wish, I can show you an equivalent population selected from regions in this country in which the crime rate, THE WHOLE CRIME RATE(murder, rape and theft) are lower than those countries. And guess what these regions have a large number of guns in them.

The liberals always seem to be claiming the "Rich Elite" and "Corporate America" are manipulating the government. But hey, your not going to rock the boat now are you? Things are going your way right? Obama is in the White House, and the ACA is the law of the land. So, if this is true then, you are doing exactly what they want. As Sam Elliot said, "You're that Special kinda Stupid, aren't you?"

ALL, I repeat ALL firearms ARE "assult" weapons. ONLY if they are used that way. A baseball bat wasnt meant to be one but CAN be. A car wasnt made to be a battering ram for a store front but CAN be. An "assult" weapon is actually a weapon of self defense. It may be other wise to you but that might be because you may have a mental problem.

justredd64

@ justredd64 #1.118

Seems like some are uneducated...automatic rifles are heavilty restricted by an expensive and extensive back ground check.......big time. I prefer semi auto for my deer hunting and semi auto for dove hunting in fact a bushmaster with a scope is fine deer rifle.

But for home protection a shotgun with hollow shot is the best and doesn't endanger other people in the rest of the house.

It depends on the upper you have for your Bushmaster, .223 cal is illegal in some states for deer hunting, My AR is chambered for .243 Win. SSM works great on Prairie Dogs out to 500yds. but I can easily switch to 6.8 or .223 which is why I chose the AR platform. It is like Barbie, for Men. ;-)

I actual prefer 7 shot game load for CQB, 2 layers of drywall is usually enough to stop it, and at close range the pattern is still tight enough to the job.

@Habbisbingo,

You obviously do not understand the purpose of the Bill of Rights. You believe that our Founding Fathers would be against "assault weapons" because they are too powerful. I hate to inform your ignorant mind that the 2nd Amendment is to allow the citizens to protect themselves from our government. If our government uses assault weapons, then the people have a right to be armed equal to the level of the government. That is one of the things that serves to keep or corrupt government in check. You know the very same government that is going to collapse our economy with all of their asinine policies. The very same government that allowed most of good manufacturing jobs to flee the country with all of their free trade agreements. These are the people you trust. I have two assault weapons that I bought as an insurance policy for when our economy collapses, and it will collapse. I can hunt with them and use them to defend my limited stockpile of survival supplies that people like you won't have. See Habbis, they are practical.

If you think I am some nut job, I want to point out the following facts that refute our economy is recovering as the MSM suggests (You can Google this for yourself):

1) Record high of 47.7 million people on food stamps, and the numbers are treading upward.

2) $16.3 trillion in debt with other huge obligations pending. (Social Security, ~ $1 trillion Student loan crisis, pending derivative crisis)

3) The Fed is currently buying approximately 70 percent of all US Treasury Notes. If our economy was doing well, that number should be close to 0 percent.

4) BRICS- The following countries have started losing faith in the US dollar for trade. As a result, these countries have set up trade agreements so that they do not need to use the US dollar. If that trend continues, the US dollar will lose reserve currency status and it will become worthless. (Brazil, Russia, India, China, South Africa).

5) Federal Reserve system is corrupt. The system was set up to allow politicians the ability to borrow tons of money that our country does not have. That will drive us into debt that we cannot ever repay.

6) Middle class manufacturing jobs are being shipped overseas thanks to free trade agreements by both parties.

7) Fighting an endless war on terror

8) Crumbling infrastructure illustrates that our country cannot even do the basic things a strong country should be able to manage. (bridges, roads, railways, dams, etc)

9) Declining societal values (Increases in violence, teen pregnancy, etc.)

10) Obamacare creates another massive Entitlement for a nation that cannot pay for its current Entitlement programs. Obamacare will also cause many full-time jobs to become part-time positions which will further crush the middle class.

11) States and municipalities are broke. There areas like Cook County, Illinois with nearly $100 billion in debt/obligations.

If you want to see what will happen to our country, check out Detroit. It is spreading. Our prosperity is coming to an end because all of our prosperity was paid for with borrowed money. Good luck relying on Big Brother when our economy crashes! I will take my guns and be able to provide for my family. Habbis, I'd give you about week of survival after our economy collapses.

easy fix first get rid of the cop killer ammo it has but one purpose second get rid of the Saturday night specials they have but one purpose third let anyone who can pass a backround check have any type of gun he/she wants and fourth if a gun is used in the commision of a crime it's life without parole that should keep the gun people happy and everyone else happy

Appointing the likes of the ardently anti-gun moron Biden to determine what additional gun restrictions should be enacted is analogous to appointing a pro-lifer to head up a panel to determine what new abortion restrictions are needed.

How's this for an Idea. For the last 50 plus years we have been regulating, restricting and demonizing guns. How about we pull a page out of a Hollywood script(Most movies involving an incident like this, shows the protagonist arming himself against the evil doers) Let's do away with "gun-free" zones, for a change. Oh we can keep the NICS system, provided anyone denied a purchase has an easy means of recourse to correct an error if it exists.

Let's do away with the CCP. (I don't need a permit to speak freely), but if you so desire, put a limit on liability for CCP holders, that way people have an incentive to get one, so as to mitigate any litigation arising from an incident.

let's remove the left wing stigma surrounding gun owners as some crazed killers just waiting to snap. A gun on a person should arouse no more suspicion than a cell phone.

To you liberals out there, we have been doing it your way for the last fifty years, and it has led to this. How about giving our way try for a few years?

@ seen it before #1.124

easy fix first get rid of the cop killer ammo it has but one purpose second get rid of the Saturday night specials they have but one purpose third let anyone who can pass a backround check have any type of gun he/she wants and fourth if a gun is used in the commision of a crime it's life without parole that should keep the gun people happy and everyone else happy

Would you care to Define "cop killer" ammo? and differentiate how it is different from other ammo? While you're at it please define "Saturday Night Special".

I agree with your 3rd statement, anything I want if I can afford it. And 4th, make it a capitol offense, with no more than 2 appeals, and no restrictions on evidence upon appeal.(I would rather not pay for a criminal to lounge in prison)

Roadrunner0 -

Amen brother!

Google this woman on a victims perspective of gun control. Suzanna Gratia Hupp

In a move certain to fuel the debate over Obama's qualifications for the presidency, the group "Americans for Freedom of Information" has Released copies of President Obama's college transcripts from Occidental College ...

Released today, the transcript school indicates that Obama, under the name Barry Soetoro, received financial aid as a foreign student from Indonesia as an undergraduate.

The transcript was released by Occidental College in compliance with a court order in a suit brought by the group in the Superior CourtCourtCourt of California.

The transcript shows that Obama (Soetoro) applied for financial aid and was awarded a fellowship for foreign students from the Fulbright Foundation Scholarship program.

To qualify, for the scholarship, a student must claim foreign citizenship.

This document would seem to provide the smoking gun that many of Obama's detractors have been seeking. Along with the evidence that he was first born in Kenya and there is no record of him ever applying for US citizenship, this is looking pretty grim. The news has created a firestorm at the White House as the release casts increasing doubt about Obama's legitimacy and qualification to serve as President article titled, "Obama Eligibility Questioned," leading some to speculate that the story may overshadow economic issues on Obama's first official visit to the U.K. In a related matter, under growing pressure from several groups, Justice Antonin Scalia announced that the Supreme Court agreed on Tuesday to hear arguments concerning Obama's legal eligibility to serve as President in a case brought by Leo Donofrio of New Jersey . This lawsuit claims Obama's dual citizenship disqualified him from serving as president.. Donofrio's case is just one of 18 suits brought by citizens demanding proof of Obama's citizenship or qualification to serve as president.

Gary Kreep of the United States Justice Foundation has released the results of their investigation of Obama's campaign spending. This study estimates that Obama has spent upwards of $950,000 in campaign funds in the past year with eleven law firms in 12 states for legal resources to block disclosure of any of his personal records. Mr. Kreep indicated that the investigation is still ongoing but that the final report will be provided to the U.S. Attorney general, Eric Holder. Mr. Holder has refused to comment on the matter...

@ truetexan

Yeah, I know your peeved, but shouting (bold and caps) doesn't help.

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WEAK SAUCE!

@ Jerry #1.130

Snopes would disagree with you. And they claim there is no "Americans for Freedom of Information"

However Orly Taitz has filed an action that has been denied by an Orange County Judge (surprise surprise) read more at w.orlytaitzesq.com/?p=364003

Also Montgomery Sibley had filed three actions separately.

Funny thing, it seems the media had GW's grades and even the number of days he missed classes during his presidential campaign. What is Barry hiding? I mean if Romney only turned over 1 or 2 years of Tax Returns, he must have been hiding something. Right?

But we are off topic here

The elimination of private property has to start somewhere. It would not go very well if there were still privately owned firearms in the hands of your subjects.

Walmart pulled guns off their shelves, but left the violent video games. Must be more profit in video games than guns made in the USA.

I feel sooo much safer knowing that the government is going to protect me from the guns that protect me from the government.