Romney's not a bad guy, but not what America wanted in a President. That's not bashing, it's what the election decided.

Romney's "top down" views of the economy are a non-starter. His support of the wealthy at the expense of the middle class is something that should not be endorsed.

I don't know that Romney has the answers for fixing the economy but if he does now is a great time to share them.

In the end though? There's very little Obama can do. It's up to Congress. All Obama can do is sign or not sign.

@Reb, it's widely known that red states use more government funds than blue states.

So those poor folks must have been in red states. Funny, that the Republicans can't do better with poor voters. Of course you would have to care about those voters first.

dogs...

what a whiny azzed post...that is what you are "obviously best at"!

btw - get a grip on reality......the really good "Romney Bashing" is coming from you Conservatives!

In 2004, John McCain campaigned on his foreign policy expertise, which was a major reason I voted for Obama...his lack of expertise.

In 2008, Mitt Romney campaigned on his business expertise, which was a major reason I voted for Obama a second time.

Romney's personal fortune was made on the basis of an antiquated business model...big box stores, franchises, and mass consumption based on low-priced imports and massive amounts of irresponsible credit. What would he have contributed to the restoration of an American middle class?

4 million votes...That's the sort of math that enabled a bunch of GOP'ers to go running around blabbering about a Romney landslide 3 weeks ago.

I have a real problem with women who are raped being forced to carry the baby to term and then being forced to give visitation rights to the father. If that is "bashing Romney" then count me guilty in the first degree.

jules--not true. There were 2 million fewer republicans voting this year than in 2008---Obama won this election by 4.5 million votes. Obama could have lost Florida, Virgina and Ohio and still have the necessary 270 electoral votes.

jules, you are deaf about cutting spending. But you are right. They didn't vote for Romney because he was too much in the center. The republican party as a whole should move far more to the extreme right. 2014 will be a landslide! A tsunami! An exploding volcano of seats for the left! Many of the house races were oh so close this time around.

rednawt--I read an interesting article yesterday by republican strategist Mike Murphy; he thinks that since the republicans usually do well in the midterms, they may well do well in 2014. But, he thinks, that's the worst thing that could happen to them; because that will convince them that their antiquated policies are what the American people want----and then in 2016, the dems will walk into the presidency once again and possibly end the GOP for good.

REB:

Take a look at this stat. Obama won voters earning below $50,000 and lost people earning above $50,000. Now you see why he won. His spread on voters below $30,000 was 28% or more than 7 million votes. Considering he won by only 3 million votes its pretty easy to see where this guys support is - among the lowest earners who pay no taxes to begin with and collect the most entitlements. Why would they want to give that up and vote for somebody or party that would make them work for a living??

Hey! I make barely over $30,000 a year and I resent the fact that you lump me in with those that "collect entitlements" and that you insinuate that I don't work for a living. I work 40 hours a week at a desk job. You are wrong ignorant to insinuate that people making less than $50K a year are moochers and that they don't pay taxes. Shame on you! I've worked hard all of my life, since the age of 14. Just because I live in an area where wages are low does not make me a moocher who doesn't pay taxes. I pay 25% in taxes every year so stop generalizing.

And speaking of "entitlement programs", let me straighten you out on what you think the definition is. People like me pay into Medicare and Social Security their entire working lives. They are not "entitlement programs", they are more like insurance programs to ensure that people like me who finally retire will not wind up living on the street without medical care. Just because I pay into a 401K plan as much as I can afford, does not mean it will cover the cost of living and medical care in 2027 when I retire. I need Social Security and Medicare to help me with that. Now Medicaid on the other hand, could more accurately be described as an entitlement program, because the working class does not pay a specific tax to pay for Medicaid. But Social Security and Medicare are not entitlements in the way right-wingers describe them. If I pay into a program for 50 years, then YES, I am entitled to receive the protection that my SS and MC taxes paid for.

We "haters" don't need to bash either the candidate or the party. Your post clearly demonstrates, once again, that Republicans are pathologically incapable of taking a frank and objective look at their policies and behaviors, and the total repudiation of those policies by voters, instead of continuing to look for someone or something else to blame.

As for Romney, in addition to being a liar and a political chameleon, he aso proved himself to be a totally ungracious loser with his rude (and ridiculous) comment about Obama's "gifts" to minorities, women, etc., yet, again, blaming factors other than Republican policies, and his own shortcomings as a candidate, for his loss. He should be grateful that the President (or anyone else) offers him any respect at all.

Oh, and while we're on the subject, your hypocrisy is showing when you call liberals the "haters." Personally, I've never seen or heard as much blind hatred and racism as emanated from the Right during the entire campaign. People who live in glass houses...

Romney also went Thursday morning to a Washington hotel to meet for 90 minutes with his running mate, House Budget Committee chairman Paul Ryan

Possibly a strategy meeting above for Romney to ask certain questions and bring answers back to Ryan? I doubt the President will fall for that, but it will be interesting to see how this arrogant individual will address, or respec,t the President.

I also doubt Romney will keep his cool, and his mouth shut after the meeting.

Sue:

I feel very sorry for all of the haters. You have no idea what you gave up when you spent so many months bashing this good man.

Good man? Since when does a "good man" get caught on tape discounting almost half of the entire country's population? I know no good man who would say such a thing about people who are less privileged.

@dogs80,

Wow, the hypocrisy never ends. A quick glance at YOUR history of previous comments show you're no stranger at bashing others yet you preemptively criticize others for bashing. Still bitter and crying?

Smlfry2: How do you pay 25% in taxes on only $30K income? You'd best have someone who knows tax laws to do your income taxes this year because I'm a tax preparer and that's impossible.

We all knew they were going to meet. The President even talked about it in his speech. Do I think Romney is a bad guy? No. I just don't agree with his politics. I'm not going to gloat about Obama winning. I DO hope that these meetings are fruitful and The Congress and Senate are watching as they need to see that they'll have to reach across the aisle in order to get things really accomplished. Maybe just maybe that will happen but I won't hold my breath because there are too many staunch Democrats and Republicans that won't even consider meeting in the middle.

Believe - My taxes are combined with my husband's taxes, and we pay a combined rate of 25%. Any other questions?

Mormon? Really? LOL.

Smlfry2: So you don't make $30K and pay 25%? Hmmmm.

@Jules4nd,

The presidential election in this country is decided with electoral votes, so yes, it WAS a landslide victory for President Obama!!!

Most of the pundits on the right, before the election, were predicting a Romney landslide citing a lessor electoral total for Romney than what Obama ending up with and they were still calling it a landslide. You can't have it both ways!

I wonder if Obama is going to ask Romney to be Secretary of Economy. If that ever happened, I guess we would call Romney the new Business Czar - a real win for the conservatives.

And if the economy really does go off the fiscal cliff in January, then Obama will have someone else to blame it on - a real win for the libs.

Believe - I DO make $30K and pay 25% taxes - combined with my husband's income. Just because my salary is combined with my husband's doesn't negate the fact that I pay 25% in taxes on that salary.

You are making a mountain out of a mole hill. The point of my post is that REB was insinuating that people making my salary don't pay taxes. That is untrue, regardless of the tax rate in question. SOME may not pay, but not ALL.

Gov. Romney and President Obama both have far more class than most newsviners.

First off Romney is not that great at businessman anyone can turn a profit if they Bankrupt a company and stick the creditors with the tab, and you people are impressed, where's that responsibility you morons flap your lips about all the time, someone had to pay the TAB, nothing is FREE. Romney's advise is going to be what, bankrupt America and sell the remains off, some great advise. That debt to China can't be written off.

jules4nd was seen posting this:

I am disappointed that fewer Republicans showed up to vote for Romney than for McCain. Had they gone to the polls, Romney would be our President. It was not a landslide and was actually close.

Close? Obama has more than 3% on the popular vote and 126 lead among electoral votes. I'd hardly consider it close. Heck you could have given Romney Ohio, Colorado, California and Florida and he still would have lost. Nice try, but it was hardly close.

Believe'nAmerica was spotted spewing forth this:

Smlfry2: How do you pay 25% in taxes on only $30K income? You'd best have someone who knows tax laws to do your income taxes this year because I'm a tax preparer and that's impossible.

You want to explain how that's impossible? Give us your expert opinion.. lol

Smlfry2: Unless your husband is making $250K+ you don't pay 25% income taxes and if your combined income is alot less then that I would suggest you find a tax preparer who knows the tax laws because you're getting screwed.

Sueb1, could be but a lot of what has happened in the past isn't happening now. Times are changing. People of both sides of the isle are waking up. The 2014 midterms could be a record turnout. We know when turnout is high, the dems have been favored. The turnout in 2010 wasn't all that high. The dmes got what, 2 million more votes total in the house races. The dems picked up a few seats. This says a lot of the races were squeakers. No one has a crystal ball to know for certain but my bet is on the dems the next time around.

Jules:

As for you, Rednawt1, the Dems want to raise the taxes and put the spending cuts on the table until "later". I have been around long enough to know that "later" NEVER comes.

The republicans have already agreed on the tax cuts. The only question is if the cuts should be on those under $250,000 or $1 million. That can be done now. What isn't known is if they went by way of cutting deductions, what deductions would be cut or eliminated. They won't say how much they would like to cut entitlements or what entitlements they will cut or eliminate. They are still in denial that social security and medicare are not entitlements. They won't indicate what spending cuts they want. It is interesting when they say "taxing the rich 100% wouldn't balance the budget". The truth is if they cut 100% of discretionary spending wouldn't come close to balancing the budget either. We know a combination will. They could pass what they agree on to restore some certainty in the economy. The Norquist faction in the house will sink the republican party. Again, I don't have a crystal ball. Just my opinion and observations.

Ray in Jax: No Smlfry2 needs to explain how he/she pays 25% income taxes on $30K per year. It's not possible. Have you ever prepared income taxes?

Smlfry2

Believe - I DO make $30K and pay 25% taxes - combined with my husband's income. Just because my salary is combined with my husband's doesn't negate the fact that I pay 25% in taxes on that salary.

I'd call that twisting the facts. Yes, you did not outright lie, but you insinuated a situation that was so significantly different from reality that in my book it's the same as lying.

"I hope that he too will at least listen to what Mr. Romney has too say about the economy"

• We already know what Mitt Romney has to say about the economy. It's the same thing every Republican has said about the economy for the last 35 years. --- cut taxes.

Romney is a decent fellow but most that voted did not think he would represent their issues as well as Obama. For some on the right to critisize Obama's campaign for fashioning a message that appeals to a certain constituency is absurd. Republicans have dumbed themselves down to the point where they think that "The Flintstones" should be taught as history and funded with taxpayer money.

If this is not a tactic to curry favor with the evangelicals and generate votes what is it?

This is a one person, one vote democracy. Obama earned more votes than did Romney and he did it "fair and square". The Republican Party has become the party of White Males. Too bad so few are able to man up and accept that their well financed message was flawed and their guy lost....

What's next? A re-litigation of the 19th amendment?

Ray in Jax

jules4nd was seen posting this:

I am disappointed that fewer Republicans showed up to vote for Romney than for McCain. Had they gone to the polls, Romney would be our President. It was not a landslide and was actually close.

Close? Obama has more than 3% on the popular vote and 126 lead among electoral votes. I'd hardly consider it close. Heck you could have given Romney Ohio, Colorado, California and Florida and he still would have lost. Nice try, but it was hardly close.

Umm...if Romney won Ohio, Colorado, California and Florida, he would have easily won the election... (since that means Obama would have lost those states)

I find it sad that many here are so blinded by party hate that they won't consider ideas from the "other party" and attempt to personally vilify basically all politicians from the other party. It really is a sad commentary on the (lack of) productive discourse in this country.

We need to get past the hate and partisan politics if we are going to move forward.

Had they gone to the polls, Romney would be our President.

And had I won PowerBall last night, I'd be super rich today. But I didn't so that the way it goes!! Romney LOST for a huge variety of reasons and that's the way it goes. If Republicans want to win next time -- find a better candidate.

I'm actually shocked Feisty isn't here to bash this article: calling for bi-partisanship at the same time mocking Romney's presence at the White House.

I'm quite happy with this. The day we all can find some common ground is the day I crack open a bottle of bubbly.

Ray in Jax: No Smlfry2 needs to explain how he/she pays 25% income taxes on $30K per year. It's not possible. Have you ever prepared income taxes?

You are the one calling her a liar, so use your expertise and explain to us why it's "impossible". I prepare my taxes every year. I take every deduction afforded to me. Is the $30k the total income or the adjusted? Do you know? If only the personal deduction is used on adjusted income of $30k, what is the effective rate?

"I wonder if Obama is going to ask Romney to be Secretary of Economy."

• I hate to inform you of this Shepherddogs -- but the position of Secretary of Economy doesn't exist.

Umm...if Romney won Ohio, Colorado, California and Florida, he would have easily won the election... (since that means Obama would have lost those states)

Thanks for the correction, I was looking at the total margins, not the margin over the 270 needed. Obama won with 66 electoral votes to spare and Romney was shy by 64.

Smlfry2

In order for you and your husband to pay 25% in taxes your husband would have to make a lot of money.

In fact the President only paid 19.02% on a total income of $844,585 with an AGI of $789,674 (Obama's adjusted gross income was reduced $54,911 by adjustments that partially offset wages and other income).

Minus exemptions, deductions: $293,298

Equals taxable income: $496,376

Income taxes (19.02% of AGI): $150,253

Remember as per your own words Medicare and SS "are more like insurance programs". I agree with this statement but many libs say they are taxes because they are mistakenly referred to as payroll taxes when in fact they are "insurance premiums" and "forced retirement savings" payments as you so well know.

In any event it is more than likely that if you were single you wouldn't be paying any taxes at that income level and might even qualify to get money back. It is nice to see however that you and your husband do pay taxes and for that you have my thanks. BTW I never used the term moocher or didn't degrade anybody for making under $50,000. I just stated the point that those people voted for Obama in droves and of course they collect the most from the government as it stands today.

I hate to inform you of this Shepherddogs -- but the position of Secretary of Economy doesn't exist.

Sure it dies, the title is called Secretary of Commerce....

Believe'nAmerica

Ray in Jax: No Smlfry2 needs to explain how he/she pays 25% income taxes on $30K per year. It's not possible. Have you ever prepared income taxes?

25% on 30k gross is a complete overstatement and a falsehood. That percentage is way way too high on that low an income.

I guess if you claimed 0 on your W2 and had a huge chunk per paycheck taken out. Maybe, but it would all come back in the tax return.

I've filed my own taxes since I was 16.

Ray,

No worries...just thought it was kinda funny...:-)

OK, just looked up the tax tables for 2011. If she filed single, and she obviously didn't, her effective tax rate with an AGI of $30k would have been only 13.6%

Maybe she is counting state taxes as well? there are several states in which this could make an effective total rate near 25%, but it would mean her husband is earning several hundred thousand a year.

Voters
Politicians manipulate voters every day with half-truths -- or outright lies -- about taxes, spending and many other issues that directly affect the nation's prosperity.

Too many voters embrace feel-good propaganda that they want to hear instead of learning the basic facts about issues they care about. They should do a better job of calling out dishonest politicians -- and shunning media outlets that stoke political food fights.

http://money.msn.com/investing/11-things-wrong-with-congress

Also this US Taxpayer paid "Lunch" needs to be open to News Media coverage (Video'ed, no later on "he said" this or that).

All of you NEED to REALLY start doing YOUR own RESEARCH and stop using Political Party Propaganda (including Political Party funded sources). Then Learn to do a Causative Timeline, as if you don't know the Causes you darn sure will not figure out ANY Real Solutions.

This Causative Timeline can even be used to figure out why Repugnant Presidential Candidate Romulan lost. When you figure that out using YOUR own Research (I am not going to spoon feed you) as YOUR Own Research is more valuable to you than anything that I can state (you will not call yourselves liars, typical name calling, etc.). Hint: After you figure that out using a Causative Timeline ask yourselves how was that Funded since 2008 (Follow the Money, Who is President Obama's Buddy "Mr. Corporate America", and requiring making more Causative Timelines to figure out what else President Obama's Buddy "Mr. Corporate America" effected/affected/influenced.).

Repugnant Presidential Candidate Romulan while eating crow and servings of humble pie, needs to keep his mouth shut during this Lunch; as the Voters said they want President Obama's Solutions, NOT Repugnant Presidential Candidate Romulan's Solutions valid or not.

All of you MUST take Personal Responsibility for YOUR Own Personal Decisions.

david-475776

What are you 6 years old?? Repugnant and Romulan?????

Please go back in your hole. ANYTHING you might have written that MIGHT have had any SHRED of intelligence was lost in your inability to communicate as an adult.

Hopefully Mr. Romney used this photo opp luncheon to eat some crow and show some support for his country. More likely, Romney transferred more of his wealth to foreign banks to avoid paying US taxes, and invested in Chinese companies and Bangladeshi sweat shops without fire exits. That's the GOP style...

Republicans LOVE the benefits that being wealthy and priveleged in the US provides to them. They just don't want to pay for those priveleges...Obama would have been better off hosting a lunch for some homeless children.

Romney ran off after lunch to kiss some Grover Norquist ass and help Boehner and McConnell plan the failure of a second Obama term, since they couldn't bring it down the first time. America will continue to suffer at the hands of the GOP until they are run out of Washington...

REB-1013231 - What are you 6 years old?? Please go back in your hole. ANYTHING you might have written that MIGHT have had any SHRED of intelligence was lost in your inability to communicate as an adult.

And how old are you since you cannot even do a Causative Timeline.

@jules4nd : The election wasn't close by any sense of the measure as you so indicate. Obama won by nearly 4M votes and beat Romney by 126 electoral votes. Obama could have lost Ohio, Fla. and Virginia and still would have won, how's that for being a close race? You also are just assuming the same meme the RWNJs keep spreading about tax and spend that the dems supposedly do. Just look historically at GOP leadership compared to Dem leadership from 1981 to now; numbers don't lie,

I read an article yesterday that suggested that President Obama offer Mr. Romney the mission of figuring out how this country can reduce the costs of healthcare. It would give Mr. Romney the opportunity to show the American people that he cares about the country and really does want to help reduce the deficit and debt. Other countries spend much less on healthcare than we do and produce better results. How do they accomplish that? If Mr. Romney is such an economic genius, let him demonstrate that by doing something that would really make a difference. Cutting benefits would not make nearly as much improvement in Medicare as reducing costs.

Reb, you like stats? Do this one...all the states in the lower 50% of educational attainment by its citizens went for Romney. Sounds to me like he got the uneducated (read: stupid) vote. Reading your comments gives me more reason to believe that's true.

Wait a minute... Kerry voted against Condoleezza Rice? Clearly he must therefore be both a racist and a woman-hater, right libtards?

heilocracy

Nice. When you have nothing to add resort to name calling. I am soooo hurt!! Not!!

So this was another total waste of time and tax payer monies by Mr. Obama. This guy finds more ways to keep from doing actual work than a rich high school kid that wants to smoke pot and plays video games all day. All show and no go. What a joke.

@RED: You took an over-simplified graph and made it out to be a tell-all exact representation of how the votes went, while you also denigrate a certain group of voters who don't pay income taxes for very good reasons. Hopefully, when you achieve that status, you'll self-incriminate and apologize, or you'll forfeit those benefits. Firstly, nearly 60% of the US working population makes less than $50K/yr, keep in mind, those figures are based on the median income average, not that those are exact figures. And while you are trying to soothe your RW thoughts, keep in mind, those takers you so include didn't vote for Obama as much as they did Romney as economic factors were not the only thing they voted for.

Most "takers" as you refer to them, are from red states and the red states take the majority of government assistance. Many of those on assistance are those who live in outskirt areas where high paying job are scarce, yet they voted for Romney; most know why they wouldn't vote for Obama and it wasn't just the economic issues. You defined yourself in being that low-information group by using the very graph as a reason for this continual misconception of Obama supporters. I have yet to find one Romney supporter give me a good reason why Romney would have done a better job, other than casting out aspersions or bigoted memes using the dogwhistles.

Romney got most of the low-information voters, such as yourself, Obama got the vast majority of voters with higher educations. It was clear Obama won the African-American, Latino and Asian votes by a huge majority because Romney never addressed them in a way that they felt included. By the way, I don't make $50K/yr, and I pay income taxes. Not only that, I spend money, my wife cannot work because she's disabled, but I don't take nor do I get no assistance. I also have a nice savings account and a very large 401K and do some investing on the side. And I voted for Obama because he makes proud to be an American by representing all Americans, just just those of one color or income group.

That was spot on heliocracy! :D

Tommy6860

Good for you Tommy. Nice to see Obama makes you proud to be an American. He just doesn't do the same for me. Sorry you think me a bigot because I didn't agree with you but then again that would make you what....?

A full list of the racist/ women haters who voted against Condi Rice including Durbin and heaven forbid the "lion of the Senate" Teddy Kennedy!!

Akaka (D-HI)
Bayh (D-IN)
Boxer (D-CA)
Byrd (D-WV)
Dayton (D-MN)
Durbin (D-IL)
Harkin (D-IA)
Jeffords (I-VT)
Kennedy (D-MA)
Kerry (D-MA)
Lautenberg (D-NJ)
Levin (D-MI)
Reed (D-RI)

Now all my liberal friends come on and start bashing Mr. Romney. That is what you are best at!

Obama won, now to get rid of the GOP controlled House and our work will be complete.

Most people love or hate someone and use terms like liberal or conservative to justify their hate for some other person or group. Its like it is acceptable to call people names and spout hate as long as the word liberal is thrown in their, then you see others join in and agree with the hateful rants in the almighty name of conservatism. Then the people use extremist examples to support their hatred of others by stating people they label as liberals are all on welfare and foodstamps, are lazy, don't pay taxes and are trying to ruin the country on purpose. Even Mitt Romney used this tactic to sell to donors he was asking to support him. Putting down others and telling yourself WE are better than THEM makes people feel good about themselves but truthfully we are more alike than we are willing to admit.

You people questioning smlfry's 25% tax rate are being ignorant. If you take into account payroll taxes (something leeches like Romney and the 1% don't pay) then she easily pays 25% or more in taxes on 30k.

I seen some of you think that Romney was for the RICH guy instead of for the rest of the country. You should of done some research, Romney would of givin everyone a tax break, then he would of eliminated some of the loopholes that help the RICH. So after everything was said and done the rich still would of been paying a higher percentage than those of us in the middle class. Now there are going to be TAX HIKES on ALL of us, yet the GOVERNMENT workers will keep getting RAISES and MORE benefits than ever to spend the money they take in. If they do NOT spend it all they can NOT ask us TAXPAYERS for MORE. When are you going to figure out how the GOVERNMENT works.

REB, you can give one valid reason why Obama is a bad president. Give one, don't throw out memes or Fox News talking points, give one policy and why that policy would be bad for America. Also, that list you give of women haters is laughable, considering they all support women's reproductive rights, they also supported the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act, etc, though nearly all Pubs voted against those issues. The fact is those in your list who voted against Condoleeza Rice didn't because of hate, but because she lied about WMDs (as just one example) and assisted in throwing Colin Powell under the bus along with that wrong war in Iraq.

Hey while you're at it, did you see the 21 committees leads that have been selected/are being selected for the next congress? Yes, right now out of that 21, 19 have already been chosen (most just reassuming their respective posts again) and the other two that need to be filled, are all white men, all thanks to Boehner . Talk about hating women and non-whites, there you go as you and the GOP just didn't get or understand what the minority and women's voter turnout meant! I hope thee GOP keep forgetting why they lost, the party will cease to exist by 2020.

jules4nd
I am disappointed that fewer Republicans showed up to vote for Romney than for McCain. Had they gone to the polls, Romney would be our President. It was not a landslide and was actually close. They did not vote for Romney because he too much in the center. I personally think that the Republicans should not back down on the issues at hand. Let the chips fall where they will. Obama and the Dems are going to do what they want to anyway - such as raise taxes and not reduce spending. Republicans should back away and not have their fingerprints on what is going on right now. Let the Dems do what they want (as I said, they will anyway) and stand back.

Sure just keep thinking like that. I suppose it never occurred to you that the majority of the country ( you know, those who cared enough to actually voice their opinions at the polls) simply rejected the GOP policies? It hasn't occurred to you (or seemingly most other conservatives) that your ideas, ideals, and policies just aren't what most people want?

Dangerous Mind

Yes you are Dangerous. If you read her post "

People like me pay into Medicare and Social Security their entire working lives. They are not "entitlement programs", they are more like insurance programs to ensure that people like me who finally retire will not wind up living on the street without medical care."

Just because they call it Payroll Taxes doesn't make it correct. They are taxes on employers but for you they are insurance premiums and forced retirement savings deductions for the good of everybody. Also she pays 25% when you throw her husband's income into the pot so thanks for playing.

Johnny please let Dangerous Minds know what his parting gifts are.

Tommy6860

I disagree with Obama on Obamacare (which a majority of the population does). That is a VERY BIG one. Satisfied?

Mittens had his lunch eaten on election day, only fair for Obama to spring for a replacement.

steve-1962, you're wrong and totally misinformed. Firstly, Romney/Ryan would not give details on what loopholes would be cut. Secondly, the ones they hinted they would cut would have still made a windfall in tax savings for the wealthiest because they wanted to eliminate certain taxes that only the wealthiest Americans experience. Stop with using percentages, because if you base it solely on that, they win the middle class loses, because they have now still and would have had under Romney more so, the ability to make the current tax code work in their favor. Romney paid less taxes in percentage that I did last year, that's a fact!

Reb, why do you disagree with Obamacare, I asked that you give details, I wait without holding my breath. By the way, the majority of the population now don't want it repealed, live and let live.

After federal, state, city/county/property taxes, gas taxes, communicationa and utility taxes,..........

someone who makes $30K a year might well indeed pay at least 25% of their income in taxes.

And that's before sales tax.

Romney only paid around 13% in taxes, on 8 million dollars. Sound fair to you?

Tommy that is to easy. He did NOTHING to help those in trouble in Bengazi, Had a few days notice that the security was failing. I would of at least told them to get the hell out of there when the rest of the countries pulled there people out of there.

There was no NEED to LIE to the American people like that.

Just because he did NOT give details does NOT mean it was not a good plan that would of helped get this economy back on track. Just like OBLAMER not putting forth his new plan for after the election before the election to see if it would work. If it works great he would win hands down, but if it failed like the rest of his policies seem to be doing then he would LOSE that is why he did NOT implement it before the election.

DSB: who cares if a couple more million out of a couple hundred million people voted for OBLAMER. Those are the ones that he had in the bag because he is black, if he was white the black vote would of been more split. But with the RACIST they tend to stick together, I said racist because they are the first ones to cry out about whitey or crackers if you do NOT agree with them.

Tommy the reason I do NOT like OBLAMERCARE is because I should NOT be FORCED into purchasing something from a PRIVATE company. What next they going to force everyone to purchase healthy food, NO MORE SNACK FOODS, then they will force us to purchase a cell phone, or get a micro-chip injected in your body so they can keep track of us. NO THANKS.

I do have insurance, but I should NOT be FORCED to have to buy it.

Tommy facts are that you paid the same or less on your INVESTMENT income.

Tommy6860

American taxpayers can not afford Obamacare as another entitlement. We have Medicare and Medicade and now this monstrosity with all of the unintended consequences. Sorry but that is the way it is and BTW 50% of the people still want it repealed with 44% not wanting that.

American Lobo

We are talking FEDERAL INCOME TAX.

I live inManhattan and pay Fed/State/City Income taxes, City Property taxes, Sales taxes, gas tax , Utility tax, tolls to get out of the city etc. etc. All in way more than 50%!!!

Please just stick to the topic. Thanks

Steve, you're living the talking points and the scare tactics, like that other stuff really will happen, it won't. Deal with reality here. Do you have to pay auto-ins? Do you have to pay homeowners ins.? Yes you do, do you gripe about that? So what is your solution, what would you do?

Do you have health insurance now and can you live without it? If you do have it, why do not not get rid of it? Are you one of those guys that buy into the "socialist" meme that the GOP RWNJs push out as scare tactics? Do you want Medicare and SS when you retire?

Tommy6860

Do you have to pay auto-ins? - Only if you own a car

Do you have to pay homeowners ins.? - Only if you have a mortgage.

Do you want Medicare and SS when you retire? - I have paid into that for 45 years so the answer is yes. Would I have liked to have had the choice on SS not to participate and invest on my own - yes.

REB, Obamacare isn't an entitlement, it is health insurance coverage. Medicare will die even with Obama making savings into the system by 2024. Medicaid cannot survive. Like most others, you have no answers, no solutions to offer at all. Only that you don't like it, you cannot give a reason why. Can you survive without health insurance? Keep in mind, if you're working and you have health care coverage, that is simply offered/given by your company, your company does not have to provide you with that. If they decided to end paying for your coverage, what would you do? If you had a per-existing condition and they ended your coverage, you can't get insurance or any that you could afford. You'd lose your assets if you got seriously ill without insurance when the care you receive from a health care provider demands payments.

It's funny, you want to keep (if I understand your last reply) Medicare and Medicaid, though they are costing trillions every year, yet we get system that gets everyone involved to make the system cheaper and affordable. In all actuality, I see a single payer system down the road, it's the only way to go.

Robme at the White House........as a guest..........LOL. The man is a pig! Should be glad he was invited. He came, he ate, now please go away.

REB, you're logic is failing. The fact is, you don't have to have a car so you don't buy auto-insurance, that's true, but you still have to otherwise. But, you have no choice in getting sick, or getting old and becoming disabled. So who pays for that if you don't have insurance, taxpayers? Who pays for an auto accident if one of the people involved has no insurance?.. the insured do. It's the very same way those having health care coverage pay for those who do not have coverage through higher premiums as well as the taxpayer covering that. It is forced on you because of the current system when it's private or public coverage.

If you could invest SS money, I doubt you would and you know it because you'd say that just for the sake of this discussion and it would be disingenuous. Most people wouldn't know how to do it and the cost of doing it is prohibitive. You're at the mercy of the stock market, and you pay fees, those right there are non-starters. If you could do that and wound up with a nice chunk to retire, you're still at the mercy of the stock market, you are not guaranteed a complete retirement unto death. What happens if we get another Bush debacle with the stock market like in 2008 when you retire. I'll tell you what happens, you're no longer retired, you're a Walmart greeter trying to make ends meet. SS is guaranteed and not subject to outside forces, hence why it has "security" in its title.

Tommy6860

Somebody should tell Obama, Durbin, Reid and Pelosi along with every other Lib group like the AFL/CIO head Trumpka, the SEIU etc. etc. about the problems with Medicare and Medicade that you point out. They seem to think nothing is wrong and nothing needs to be done about them.

The real problem with Obamacare is that you do not have enough doctors to implement it, the costs of insurance are going up under it, the problems with the contraception issue for the church and their affiliated groups are an issue and the fact that you can't purchase a policy that you want with the coverage you need is a bad way to approach it. One size fits all is not the way to do it. Plus illegals and people that don't buy the coverage are still going to the emergency room and that will eventually screw the hospitals. Obviously there are many other problems but not enough space.

The fact that the Dems forced this on the American people without even considering the Republican concepts which would have made it batter is a real shame. If you want a single payer system go to England or Canada. I'm sure you will die before you get treated there which is why those that can come here.

I think

Stone,

stop with the BS. You voted for Obama, twice, because you are a liberal, and you have never voted otherwise. As far as your voting for the person with the least " expertise", proves you are not very smart. Romney has more smarts in his little toe than Obama has in his whole body. You can see from all his actions that he is hellbent on destroying the United States. He knows that his programs can not be sustained for long and that the economy will collapse under the weight of his social programs.

TO: dogs80 who wrote:

"I am sure all the haters will soon be on here bad-mouthing Mr. Romney and his wife...I hope the President will ask Mr. Romney about economic issues..."

You must have missed the entire election.

Romney had the exact same "economic" plan, and the only "economic" plan Republicans ever have: Trickle Down Economics aka "Top Down Economics" where Republicans give the wealthiest Americans trillions of dollars in tax cuts and pretend that all that money Republicans save in taxes will somehow "trickle down" to the benefit of all of the rest of us.

We've learned, over the 40+ years that Republicans have been practicing those "economics" is the only thing that ever "trickled down" was higher tax rates for us, and the rich passing along the entire weight of the United States Debt on down to the middle class and the poor.

Mr. and Mrs. Romney are back to being the same folks they were before he ran for POTUS.

Bye bye, Romney!

HopeyChangeyFeely:

I'm actually shocked Feisty isn't here to bash this article: calling for bi-partisanship at the same time mocking Romney's presence at the White House.

Good heavens, leave the woman alone! She expressed--often forcefully--her personal political position and worked to influence others, as did MANY Republicans. Are you still so bitter about the election results that you must continue to pick at people who believed differently than you did?

I would hope that both Republicans and Democrats would want us to be working together as a country, not vying for this position or that one. I for one most certainly want us to work together for the best of the country. Come on, you guys--the ELECTION IS OVER! Please, can't we start being AMERICANS again, rather than having to be so split?

Tommy6860

REB, you're logic is failing. The fact is, you don't have to have a car so you don't buy auto-insurance, that's true, but you still have to otherwise. - No idea what this means. No car means no insurance.

Who pays for an auto accident if one of the people involved has no insurance?.. the insured do. - I believe this is no fault and the insurance company goes after the non-insured person.

If you could invest SS money, I doubt you would and you know it because you'd say that just for the sake of this discussion and it would be disingenuous. Most people wouldn't know how to do it and the cost of doing it is prohibitive. - Again pretty presumptive about me, a person you know nothing about but then again when you make a statement like that it just shows you have no other come back. I could have made millions on my own, I could be a hedge fund manager or maybe not. Yes the bulk of the people couldn't and don't do it by themselves but why shouldn't they be allowed to if they want to?? If they fail, just another family in the welfare safety net. Keep dreaming about SS being there. Unless something is done the payments will go down by 2029.

I am happy to know that these two men are civil,educated and well mannered enough to enjoy lunch together.It's a shame that the myopic posters can't find anything nice to say so instead keep rehashing the same old tired song of,"My party's better than your party."It's very childish and a sad reflection on society.

I hope that Obama appoints Romney to a cabinet or advisory position, if he's interested. It would be a wonderful way to reach across the aisle and maybe even set precedent to offer said position to the loser of the election so they can be involved. Heck, running for President and losing the election means that person was the second choice to run the country! That surly is worth something!!

BTW, I voted for Obama.

Oh the humanity! Meanwhile. Down the hall, in another room at the Whitehouse. Away from the men. Michelle Obama is showing Anne Romney all the old china from presidents of the past. Michelle then says: "See all my white curtains hanging from all the windows, to bad you wont be able to change them!" Anne Romney's reply: "STOP IT!"

REB both of your last statements are rife with talking points and memes, they are not based on logic or in offering ideas. If you could be a millionaire, you wouldn't be posting here, that's a fact and I am not dense. I am a very critical thinker (look it up if you don't understand that and I don't apologize for a perceived intent that is construed or used as a counter-argument) , it is disingenuous for you to make such claims, only to just make your point, which has no point.

Your reasoning against Obamacare (again talking points) are out of fallacy and misinformation. We have a lack of general practitioners, not other doctors and Obama care has nothing to do with that as it's not even implemented yet; thas has been an issue for decades. It is mostly because the current system doesn't allow for them to make a decent living unlike specialized physicians (OBGYNs, Vascular and Neuro-surgeons, etc) Now everyone will have insurance and they will expand. The AMA and most doctors and even hospitals are all onboard with this, because they will get PAID! Nice racist meme with the "illegals" add-in. If people opt to not buy health care coverage, they will:

A: have to pay an annual penalty that makes sure those who get coverage keep it affordable, IOWs, the cost won't get passed on like in the current system.

B: If they don't pay, they are subject to collection while still having to pay the penalty.

You want to cry about the Dems not using Pub concepts, let me inform you on something, the whole idea is a republican concept, first proposed by The Heritage Foundation, as right wing as you can get, only it kept getting shoved aside. It even had Pub support up until about 5 years ago. Then Obama finally got it passed and it seems the Pubs didn't want it because they didn't want their initial idea put into action, call it hypocrisy if you will! Medicare and Medicaid are already national health care systems and both will be integrated into Obamacare with no additional cost, except everyone has to have it, just like I explained in my analogies earlier. It just seems you ignore those analogies for your talking points.

"I am sure all the haters will soon be on here bad-mouthing Mr. Romney and his wife."

You mean like the right wing has been doing to President Obama and his wife for the last 4 years?? Funny -- you on the right just love dishing it out but when even the slightest amount of it comes back at you -- you go into your "poor us, those nasty liberals are calling us names, they hate us so much, we're victims' mode.

With Romney's track record of stealing anything he puts his greedy hands on; I sure hope the White House kitchen staff took inventory of the silverware before and AFTER Romney's visit.

Once again Here is the "Proof" that Barack Obama has more in common with Mitt Romney than he EVER had with any of you who so faithfully supported him during this latest "Not" Election!

Think about it....name one real person who supported President Obama's Re-Election that he asked to have "Lunch" at the White house to show his special "Thanks" to....Name Just One!

Hahaha you people are SOooo Naive..... Face Facts Obama likes & supports ROMNEY better than he does ANY OF YOU and only a "Fool" thinks there is one bit of difference between these two Wall Street Corrupted Political Minions!

Impeach Obama in 2012 for the Cover Up Of Murder and Secret CIA Prisons in Benghazi-Gate!

Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it. ~Thomas Paine

Tommy6860 - Steve, you're living the talking points and the scare tactics, like that other stuff really will happen, it won't. Deal with reality here.

The Reality while you were sleeping Tommy6860. Previously lots of us found out about US Congress attempting to slip one by the US Citizens as US Senate S.1959 and US House of Representatives H.R.1955 aka the George Orwell 1984 Thought Crimes Laws, in that the Thought (written or witnessed verbal) not only the Action is the Crime, like definition from S.1959 and H.R.1955 as "Anyone Stating a Radical Change to (US) Government is a Homegrown Domestic Terrorist". Many of us started an online campaign to defeat US Senate S.1959 and US House of Representatives H.R.1955 as Unconstitutional. This online campaign eventually was successful (with the consequences of some being labeled as "troublemakers" ("Potential Homegrown Domestic Terrorists") on someone's Government Agency (Agencies) Sh!t Lists.). After the defeats of S.1959 and H.R.1955 most of us celebrated then basically forgot, and stopped looking for things like these Unconstitutional attempts, believing that they (US Congress) would not attempt this again.

H.R. 1955 p.1 Freedom of Speech, Thought Crime

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AKB4IPFO5ao

H.R. 1955 p.2 Freedom of Speech, Thought Crime

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XmPeXKlq3TQ

In 2009, President Obama signed into US Laws his January 21, 2009 Patriot Acts as: Expanded Presidential Powers. Monitoring and Censorship of All US Communications. Inclusion of S.1959 and H.R. 1955. Without Warrant Cooperation of all US Communications Providers. US Military Tribunals renamed as US Military Commissions (Legal Defense not allowed access to Witnesses nor Classified Evidence). US Military Use of Deadly Force Against US Citizens. Preemptive Detentions of US Citizens. (No) Material Support to Terrorist Organizations (Including no Legal Representation as "Expert Advise" 2010 US Supreme Court Ruling, as currently being fought by ACLU). Classified Sections. So there it was once again, that "Anyone Stating a Radical Change to (US) Government is a Homegrown Domestic Terrorist".

The then Speaker for All Demoncraps, the Speaker of the House of Representatives gloating and expanding that ""Anyone Stating a Radical Change to (US) Government is a Homegrown Domestic Terrorist", to "Anyone returning from the Wars is a Potential Homegrown Domestic Terrorist" (Guilty Until Proven Innocent) - Speaker of the House, Nancy Pelosi (Demoncrap California).

During a Staged News Media Event, President Obama shown January 22, 2009, signing into US Laws his Patriot Acts (Plural US Laws) 04:38 minutes of 11:55 minutes:

Naomi Wolf: 'Obama can lock any US citizen up without trial'

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLSeD19m3UE&feature=fvst

And:

Obama Signs NDAA, ACLU Disgusted

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IeuE16LLDY

Feds' electronic snooping of Americans up sharply, says ACLU

http://www.nbcnews.com/technology/technolog/feds-electronic-snooping-americans-sharply-says-aclu-6170914

Also Tommy6860, I know which end of the US Military rifle or pistol I will be on and it is NOT the side that the bullet comes out of. The Majority of the US Military will comply with the Use of Deadly Force Against US Citizens instead of themselves being Summarily Executed with their Own Families used as Leverage as indefinitely detained and subject to extraordinary interrogations as suspected Co-Conspirators for our failing to obey that Order as "Treason".

Regarding the use of "Drones" at US: By the way you do understand that it is more cost effective to build one standard type of "Drone" as RQ (Reconnaissance) or MQ (armed), basically making it so that an RQ can easily become an MQ. Hint: MQ Missiles are NOT the only weapons system used to surgically remove a target.

Your uneducated cries against General McKiernan, Registered Demoncrap General McChrystal, Secretary of Defense Gates, etc. about their Duty of Informing the US Citizens of those matters that have, did, or will Result in the Unnecessary Deaths of US Citizens of the US Military after the US Politicians refuse to listen; as well, as, your current Votes mandated against this US Military Duty to Inform the US Citizens.

Tommy6860 - Do you have to pay auto-ins? Do you have to pay homeowners ins.? Yes you do, do you gripe about that? So what is your solution, what would you do?

Poor Argument. Driving a Vehicle is NOT a Right, and is an "Optional" Individual Choice. And look how many Homeowners were NOT insured at New Jersey, New York in relation to Hurricane Sandy.

As far as Solutions YOU don't and cannot come up with your Own, since you cannot get out of being Brainwashed that Insurance Corporations are part of the Medical Profession (Health Care). Once you separate the Insurance Corporations OUT of the Medical Profession (Health Care) the Solutions are TOO Simple (as previously used during the Great Depression; after the Great Depression; start, during and after World War II until the Insurance Corporations Lobbied (Bribed) themselves into the US Health Care for more Insurance Customers (more suckers, Legalized Ponzai Scheme)).

Like I stated before:

Voters
Politicians manipulate voters every day with half-truths -- or outright lies -- about taxes, spending and many other issues that directly affect the nation's prosperity.

TOO MANY VOTERS EMBRACE FEEL - GOOD PROPAGANDA that they want to hear instead of learning the basic facts about issues they care about. They should do a better job of calling out dishonest politicians -- and shunning media outlets that stoke political food fights.

http://money.msn.com/investing/11-things-wrong-with-congress

Tommy6860

What did you learn today from the Dem talking point memo - to use the words talking points and memes when posting?? Every post you put up has that. I dodn't use talking points and memes. I use what I think. Sorry if it is not in agreement with you. Funny though every time I read what you have written, you seem to agree with me, like you did on Medicare and Medicade failing, like you just did on the doctors point - We have a lack of general practitioners. BTW you are wrong if you believe we have enough specialists as well.

You said The AMA and most doctors and even hospitals are all onboard with this, because they will get PAID!That is patently untrue. There are just as many if not more doctors and hospitals against this than for it.

Nothing racist about the word illegal -what would you call them?? The lib meme - undocumented?? They are still illegal and nothing you can do short of granting them citizenship will change that.

You say "Medicare and Medicaid are already national health care systems and both will be integrated into Obamacare with no additional cost". Tell me please how do you cover 30 - 40 million people without it costing anything? Do you honestly think the penaltys shown below will do anything??

Basically, you're looking at penalties of approximately the following at the following income levels:

• Less than $9,500 income = $0
• $9,500 - $37,000 income = $695
• $50,000 income = $1,000
• $75,000 income = $1,600
• $100,000 income = $2,250
• $125,000 income = $2,900
• $150,000 income = $3,500
• $175,000 income = $4,100
• $200,000 income = $4,700

As you so well pointed out above nearly 60% of the US working population makes less than $50K/yr. Their penalty is $1,000 or below. Is that going to pay for their coverage?? I think not.

Try sticking to facts and not your Dem talking points and memes.

Romney made it clear that he didn't care about the working and middle class people of this country, so why the hell should we care about him? I have worked all my life, never taken a hand-out and am damned proud of it ... but, because my salary wasn't high enough for Mr. Romney's diamond-studded taste, I didn't count.

I consider President Obama gracious for asking him to lunch. It was a nice gesture. I only wish the menu served to Romney had been baked crow followed by a large plate of humble pie.

American Girl-724855 - We've learned, over the 40+ years that Republicans have been practicing those "economics" is the only thing that ever "trickled down" was higher tax rates for us, and the rich passing along the entire weight of the United States Debt on down to the middle class and the poor.

Your typical uneducated emotive nonsense nonfactual opinon American Girl-724855

Since 1945 Democrats have controlled the the House & Senate 21 terms to Republicans 6 ( Or 42 years to 12 years ). Democrats have controlled the House, Senate, and Whitehouse 11 terms to Republicans 2 ( or 22 years to 4 years ).

http://politics.newsvine.com/_news/2010/01/14/3757122-negotiators-aim-for-health-care-deal-by-friday?threadId=766455&commentId=11748063#c11748063

ANSWER THIS QUESTION American Girl-724855, WHAT AUTOMATICALLY NEGATES ALL "TAX BREAKS", "TAX CUTS", "TAX INCENTIVES", ETC..

YOU HAVE 30 MINUTES TO POST THE CORRECT (HISTORICALLY DOCUMENTED) ANSWER BELOW. NONE OF YOUR LAME EXCUSES (Results matter not your lame Excuses).

There Mitt, you got to the White House now get the flying something out of there as you may contaminate it!

People earning 50k probably do pay about 20% in all w2 taxes. There is about 10% federal, 7 1/2 "entitlement" (-s2 this yr), 3 1/2 state and 1% locality. So please don't say people at that amount are not paying taxes.

David,

But when Democrats are in control they use a word that has disappeared from the republican't ( Party Of NO) vocabulary. It is called Compromise! Instead the republican'ts act like spoiled school boys and walk away or filibuster or sign documents about taxes, or say, "We will do nothing to make sure Obama is a one term president!. In other words, FOOLS rather than help America or Americans!

Shiela,

Right! I pay 27% at above $50,000, but I have a neighbor who brags that he paid 13% and that it would have been 10% if he hadn't give generously to his church as a write off! Greed can do that to you or just being a republican't also does it!

Its the big difference in paying taxes off a w2 vs a 1099. And I imagine it is why Mr Romney did not take a salary from some of the places he worked. It doesn't mean he didn't expense out a lot of stuff.

Wouldn't it be More Productive if Our Elected Leaders Started Working Together as AMERICANS for AMERICANS and AMERICA, instead of just bickering, stalling and posturing for the next election as democrats and republicans! The American People have had it with this unproductive BS! The way that both parties having been operating for years just stinks! Neither party has really been looking out for the best interests of the US Citizens who elect them and who they're supposed to represent. Both parties have sold out the bulk of the American citizens, who they're supposed to represent, by allowing the "out-sourcing" floodgates to open wider and wider without taking any sensible measures to stem the tide.

It shouldn't be all about Democrats or Republicans! It should be about Americans, especially our elected officials, doing the right thing for our country and its citizens. All the single-minded, left versus right, ideological one dimensional bull has got to go!

If Both Parties don't start actually doing something to fix the real problems in our country like "out-sourcing", illegal immigration, the out of control costs of health care insurance and our reliance on foreign fuel by the next election - American citizens may just have to run a nation-wide campaign to vote out every single incumbent elected official from office regardless of party, so that maybe then they'll finally get the message.

So why did the Democrats win the Presidency?

There are now 47 million families that get free food and cash aid, and they credit the Democrats for 'giving' them that largess. At $550 per month average, that's about $300 Billion per year in 'freebies'.

These families are typically also the ones that get an average of about $440 Billion per year in free health care (Medicaid - that figure comes from Obama's 2013 Budget projections).

That amounts to a total of about $740 Billion per year in 'free benefits' that these 47 million families get each year, which amounts to about 70% of the $1.1 Trillion Deficit.

These people have become dependent upon the government, so they naturally will continue to vote for the Democrats. A cynic might suggest that the Democrats are 'buying votes with taxpayer funds', but of course that would be considered 'heartless towards those in need', or even 'racist'.

In addition, the Democrats keep promising 'Amnesty' for the 11 million illegal immigrants in this country, so the 12 million Hispanics that vote will naturally want to vote overwhelmingly in favor of the Democrats who promise to let their friends and relatives stay here and be eligible to work (competing with legal American workers), as well as getting welfare benefits. Ironically, the Democrats don't actually want to 'pass' Amnesty, because it would remove a valuable campaign tactic that they use over and over.

Since Obama got about 65 million of the 126 million votes in this last election, but won by only about 4 million votes, this huge group of roughly 50 million that has become 'dependent' on the government will form a formidable voting block that will ensure the Democrats maintain power well into the future. So how many of the roughly 50 million families that have become dependent on the government voted for the Democrats for purely selfish reasons (Don't touch my benefits)? If only 4 million of the 50 million voted for continued 'free benefits' from the Democrats, that was enough to ensure a Democratic victory. According to exit polls, Obama won this group by almost 11 million votes.

Ironically, even though these policies by the Democrats will drag down future economic growth, ensure high unemployment, and make everyone 'poorer' - witness the $5,000 (10%) drop in average family income over the last 4 years, this actually helps the Democrats win even more votes because it creates even more people that will become 'dependent on the government'.

All of this comes at a great cost (witness the $740 Billion per year spent on welfare and Medicaid above) and the huge cost to taxpayers of the massively growing Debt (which Obama's Budget projects to increase to $20.379 TRILLION within less than 4 years - even if he gets his 'tax increase on the wealthy'). The Debt was only $9.986 Trillion at the end of fiscal 2008. But the 50 million that get welfare and free medical care don't really care about that, because they know that 'someone else will have to pay for that' (those who actually pay income taxes).

And of course the Democrats will continue to 'play to their base' by claiming 'the rich don't pay their fair share', and the Republicans are 'heartless and racist' for calling for 'entitlement reform'.

We are well on our way to the ruin that Greece brought upon itself by promising benefits that we can't afford.

Sheila-846240 "People earning 50k probably do pay about 20% in all w2 taxes."

What you fail to consider is that those W2 taxes go into each worker's individual 'Trust Accounts' to fund their future retirement and health care needs. None of it goes to pay the actual expenses of running the government - that's all paid by those who pay INCOME TAXES.

Nice try, though.

clwyd-2621393 "I pay 27% at above $50,000, but I have a neighbor who brags that he paid 13% and that it would have been 10% if he hadn't give generously to his church as a write off! Greed can do that to you or just being a republican't also does it!"

So someone that gives to charity and gets a partial write-off is 'greedy'?

Somehow, I don't think that giving $1,000 to a charity and getting a $130 deduction is being 'greedy' - they are still out of pocket by $870. I think someone that refuses to give to charity to keep that $870 in their own pocket fits the category of 'greedy' somewhat better.

Perhaps logic is not one of your 'long suits'.

Roy, I agree, those are trust funds and entitlements. So lets not put them on the chopping board.

I guess Tommy ran out of Talking Points for the day!!

clwyd-2621393 - David, But when Democrats are in control they use a word that has disappeared from the republican't ( Party Of NO) vocabulary.

Once more the LAME EXCUSES, NOT RESULTS. Just like American Girl-724855, Tommy6860 et al, NO Real World Solutions; so MORE LAME EXCUSES.

President Obama to circumvent the US Congress "Will of the People", keep clicking on "Next":

http://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/presidential-actions

Roy,

You have no idea what my neighbor is like and it isn't the gift to charity that makes him greedy to all the neighbors it is the fact he gloats over his lower tax rate and the fact he makes $5,000 a week and has no health insurance since he can go to the ER and get it!

David,

When faced with voting for a millionaire and possibly a billionaire, Mitt's off-shore accounts have never been made public, I would rather not have a man who belongs to a religious cult, had his mommy and daddy give him everything and then make ass in 9 comments about the 47%. Once again, face reality! Republicans were losers and in my book are losers. Remember I used to be Young Republican years back after voting for, Nixon, Goldwater and Reagan. Since these conservatives would now be called liberals in the present republican party ( of extremists) I got out and will never vote for another republican't again! With the changing make up of the voting public I think there are some lean years ahead for the Party of NO! I'm hoping extinction!

What's so extraordinary about those two sitting down together? As they both said during the campaign, there is very little difference in their thinking on most issues.

I do think though, that along with Bill Clinton that Obama has been one of the more effective Republican presidents we've had.

OK 1 - every President does this after the election, it's something of an American tradition. It kind of sets us apart from many other governments, in that the winners and losers of out elections are expected to be civil with one another, and generally are.

2 - The President is billed for personal engagements held at the White House. He has an expense account, of course, on top of his salary, but these kinds of meetings are tabulated separately from government business.

3 - Roy - I think you know very well how our current system of entitlements work - your payroll taxes don't go into any type of lockbox, they directly fund payments made to current recipients and retirees. So yea, they do go towards the expenses of running the government, in so far as that includes the social safety nets. It might interest you to learn that those funds are no longer kept separate and distinct from other general tax moneys, and a large part of the problem with social security is that the surplus funds have been SPENT in the general budget, instead of saved to fund SS in perpetuity. I mean come on now, a little honesty and accuracy here, please.

Also a large portion of the welfare programs you list, like food stamps, section 8, SSI, etc, are funded at the state level, so your math is quite a bit flawed with respect to the deficit. Not to mention some of your numbers are completely made up, and you seem to have switched the proposals for Medicaid and Medicare, Medicaid being 280 billion, not 440.

Jules, you are right about one thing. The Repubs won't get their fingerprints on anything... you would have to make an attempt to do something besides obstruct in order to be involved and get your hands on something. Obstructionism....that's all they are good for.

wel it looks like the media got what they wanted this time.Yet another article to cause stress and strife among Americans.It's bad enough that our politicians refuse to cooperate.(and i do mean BOTH parties)One other thing to think about though and this goes for BOTH parties.(and some of you individuals too)Do you really think you will get anyone to cooperate with you when all you do is insult,Bash and belittle them?really?look up the word Diplomacy in the dictionary.Or maybe another saying applies..DIPLOMACY is the fine art of letting others have your way.Think about it.

LOBO you add in all the other taxes someone else may pay buy only use the federal tax for Romney, sounds fair right.

Those still hoping Mitt Romney won the election..... my question has gone unanswered for too long.

What has Mitt Romney done in the last 6 years that helped Americans intellectually, morally and economically and what has he done to help America as a country. ?

Just seeing Mitt in the WH for an hour sends shivers up and down my spine. Now he says that polls showed he should have won. Still living in republican lala Land! How out of touch with reality are all republicans? I used to be a YR and voted for those now liberal republicans, Nixon, Goldwater and Reagan. That is by the new right wing extremist views and leaders of the new God Owful Party! Could those have been FOX polls?

Fiftyone percent of the American people are stupid idiots who want to be lead around with a ring in their nose. The republican party are guilty and are traitors to America for not pursueing this.

A lawsuit challenging Barack Obama's presence on the 2012 presidential election ballot because of questions over his constitutional eligibility that was thrown out by a judge who earlier determined it wasn't timely has returned to haunt election officials in the state with a request that the Obama victory results be quashed.

"Defendant Barack Hussein Obama is a direct threat to the safety and security of the United States, and its Constitution, which plaintiff must protect and defend by oath," according to the complaint, which was delivered to Secretary of State Ken Detzner today.

The case earlier this year was dismissed by Circuit Judge Terry Lewis, who said Obama's eligibility could not be challenged at that time because under Florida election law, technically, Obama hadn't been nominated to the position.

As WND reported, Michael Voeltz, who identifies himself as "a registered member of the Democratic Party, voter and taxpayer in Broward County," had challenged Obama's eligibility, arguing that the "natural born citizen" clause was rightly understood in historical context to mean a child not only born in the U.S., but born to two American-citizen parents, so as not to have divided loyalties. Obama, however, readily admits to being born a dual citizen because of his father's British citizenship.

Read more: http://MinuteMenNews.com/2012/12/obamas-constitutional-eligibility-challenged/#ixzz2DvKqrqfk

Walmart, the nation’s largest private employer, plans to begin denying health insurance to newly hired employees who work fewer than 30 hours a week, according to a copy of the company’s policy obtained by The Huffington Post.

Under the policy, slated to take effect in January, Walmart also reserves the right to eliminate health care coverage for certain workers if their average workweek dips below 30 hours — something that happens with regularity and at the direction of company managers.

Walmart declined to disclose how many of its roughly 1.4 million U.S. workers are vulnerable to losing medical insurance under its new policy.

Read more: http://MinuteMenNews.com/2012/12/walmart-thanks-to-obamacare-cutting-health-insurance-for-part-time-employees/#ixzz2DvN5QfIE

Sour grapes much? How about posting links for your data. In most of the cases you talked about, the figures were based on "likely" voters. More turned out than the "likely" voters. That has nothing to do with voter fraud or anything else.

The only voter fraud in the press was on behalf of Republicans registering dead people in Florida.

How do you win 100% of a county??? Come on, not ONE person voted for ROMNEY in some counties??? REALLY!??

Yes, this is highly plausible since those precincts were in poor African-American neighborhoods. I mean, what incentive would anyone from these neighborhoods have to vote for Romney? In Romney's own words, they received "gifts" from President Obama and are part of the 47% who "will vote the the president, no matter what. There are 47 percent who are with him, who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe that government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you name it."

Yes, Romney's clueless comments fully explains this phenomenon.

There were also places in Utah where President Obama received zero votes. Go figure!

Eric, the term "sour grapes" does not mean what you think it means.

It means to disparage something you really wanted (grapes) by claiming they're not any good (sour).

It's from Aesop's fable, The Fox and the Grapes. Look it up!

romancaesar - Please site a source ?

Meet to get some of that White House beer.

@Arthur, and I quote from wikipedia, "It refers to pretending not to care for something one wants, but does not or cannot have."

I'll stick to my statement thanks.

Care to offer an opinion on Obama and voter fraud? That is what we were talking about.

Hey romancaesar,

Get a grip! Your pi$$ poor GoP (good old pricks) LOST!!!!! Most of your lousy party has no love for the working middle class (AS IN NO COMPASSION AT ALL). As I said, "Get a grip, YOU LOST BOY"! The majority of American citizens want the Democrat's outlook for Our country. How about working for a better America for everyone, not just you and your money grubbing friends (dirt bags).

Roman and Jules, just what planet do you live on?? Thanks for the laugh though.

It has become a tradition that the president invites his opponent to the White House. Why should he break tradition?

Obama's Black Panthers helped to intimidate the Romney vote in a few precincts as well.

There goes the race card you nut jobs are always complaining about.

RomanCeasar, I too am a republican and was pretty upset with the turnout of the election, but I am glad to see Mr. Romney don't hold the animosity that you do. Without a doubt Mr. Romney will put the country before pulling some childish act. Kudos Mr. Romney.

If the majority want the dems then why is the house still in republican control? I figure you'll be in trouble in 2016 unless MR BO gets 65% or better on the government take on 35% of the taxpayer's back, how does that math work???? Only when you TAX the 35% to the hilt to pay for the 65% of those that don't contribute but use the very resources that the taxpayer pays for.

Eric, your "Wikipedia" quote actually proved you wrong.

How is Romney "pretending not to care" for something he *clearly* wanted?

You misused "sour grapes".

But I'm glad you looked it up. (Even though it was from Wikipedia :)

@Arthur, what don't you get about context. My comments were not about Romney they were about Romancaesar.

His whole statement about not bothering to meet with the president are indeed not caring about what Romney wanted, namely the Whitehouse. Clearly, Romney does not nor will not have the Whitehouse.

Still care to make a comment about voter fraud and Obama, that is where the conversation was going.

It's still in republican control due to re-districting. Look it up.

The vermin and rats in the national media won't really care anyway, and trying to garner their support will be futile. Why eat lunch with a guy like Obama who was active in rampant voter fraud? I heard by some news reports that he won some counties by 100%, others by "140%"!!! How in the hell does that happen!??

You obviously don't read much, or only read the daily KOS and Briebart Report. As for the 140%, that error was due to early voting tabulation backups being run twice and it was corrected, and it only dealt with a house seat in Florida.

As for the 100% counties, there were 9 of them, all in Philadelphia, and all 100% black.

To accuse our president of voter fraud is the epitome of ignorant. Romney lost, get over it....

Romancaesar: "Personally, if I were Romney I would not meet with Pres.O" I disagree because Romney loves his country more than his party. He's a good honest man and will do everything he can to help because he wants our country to succeed.

tim-580939 was seen bitterly whining about his party's defeat:

Its under republican control because people want the tax and spend dems out!!! Obama doesn't care about this country. He just doesn't want to lose his new lifestyle!!! All hail to dictator obama!!! The next 4 years are gonna be the worst this country has ever seen.

You going to come back in four years and kiss our ashes when your prophecy of doom fails to materialize, or are you going to retreat under a rock?

I'm guessing the later...

RIT, the people in the GOP donate more than twice as much money and time as those in the DNC. So, who really cares about those less fortunate? Well, it must be the democrats, they think raising taxes on other people is just them being charitable.

Obama: What future plans for employment would you be interested in?

Romney: I'm just going to let stay-at-home mom Ann and her four paid assistants keep working and I'll continue to take it easy. I've got investments in Bangladeshi sweat shops that need some attention all of a sudden. And I might like to take a trip on my yacht. I always wanted to go to Iran. Too bad they don't have access to navigable water...maybe I could build them a canal to the sea...? Dick Cheney's asked me to go hunting as well....

GOP donate more than twice as much money and time

Actually, most GOP donors give money to organizations that enhance their own wealth and lifestyles, and religious beliefs, not to the indigent poor. Contributing vast sums to the symphony so that you can have nice seats and a plaque on the wall, or donating to candidates and PACs to buy access and maintain your tax loopholes, isn't the kind of charitable giving that we're talking about here...Wealthy people actually give a smaller proportion of their incomes to charity than lower to middle class donors do. Take out the fake "charities" and you'll see what greedy misers that they really are....

Donating to the church is not charity.

Donating to the church is not charity.

Especially churches that send protesters to the funerals of our dead military, and burn Qurans to put our soldiers at risk. Churches serve the people that belong to them. So little of collections goes to actually help the poor, that most should have their tax forgiveness taken away. Remember, Jesus drove the money changers from the Temple, not to the Temple. Tax the churches now....

Why bother? Because getting inside the White House was Romney's life's ambition. Doing so as a guest is better than not at all.

I suspect their conversation went something like this:

Obama: So, governor, how are you enjoying your lunch at the White House?

Romney: It's...alright, I guess. In a quaint sort of way. I couldn't help but notice the lack of car elevators.

Obama: How's your milkshake, Mitt?

Romney: My what? I just have an empty glass.

Obama: <slurps at his own milkshake> That's because I drink it! I drink your milkshake!

Racist much?

Roman--bad enough you're a sore loser and something of a bigot; but, really, you are NOT funny in the least--childish--but not funny.

Sue I didn't see you making a statement to the previous post about the Magic Undergarments. Hmmmm.

Are you saying Ann and Mitt don't wear magic underwear???

Weallhaveopinions---Quite honestly, I don't know enough about the Mormon religion to comment on it. I do not reply to posts that have things that sound unreal and I never 'like' them; but, I'll take your rebuke---however my biggest problem with romancaesar was still that he wasn't funny.

No, the only people who say anything about "magic underpants" are those to clueless to even understand what the undergarments really are.

http://www.mormontopics.org/eng/garments?CID=30002&gclid=CLPEj9aF9bMCFSemPAod-SUA2A

Roman, its a good thing that our politicians are slightly more mature than...