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Subscribe to RSSUPDATED 4:24 p.m. ET -- President Barack Obama’s possible choice of United Nations envoy Susan Rice to replace Secretary of State Hillary Clinton appeared to be in greater jeopardy Wednesday after one key Republican senator broadened the scope of questions about her record. Another GOP senator implied she was too much of a personal and party loyalist to head the State Department and urged the president to “step back” from the idea of nominating Rice.
Rice went to Capitol Hill Wednesday for a second consecutive day of meetings with skeptical GOP senators, meeting with Susan Collins of Maine and Bob Corker of Tennessee, who is slated to become the ranking Republican on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee and would have a key role in the confirmation hearing for a secretary of state nominee.
UN ambassador Susan Rice has become a lightning rod for criticism from Republicans who blame her for more than one security failure abroad. But President Obama continues to support Rice, who is expected to become Obama's choice to replace Hillary Clinton as the next Secretary of State. NBC's Andrea Mitchell reports.
Until Wednesday, Rice had come under Republican fire primarily for her role in speaking for the Obama administration in the aftermath of the Sept. 11 attack on the U.S. consulate in Benghazi in which Ambassador Chris Stevens and three other Americans were killed.
But in comments to reporters after meeting with Rice, Collins expanded the criticism of Rice to include her potential role in protecting the American embassies in Kenya and Somalia that were hit by al Qaida attacks in 1998, when Rice served as assistant secretary of state for African affairs.
Collins said she was “very troubled by the fact that we seem not to have learned from the 1998 bombings of two of our embassies in Africa at the time when Ambassador Rice was the assistant secretary for African affairs. Those bombings in 1998 resulted in the loss of life of 12 Americans as well as many other foreign nationals.”
She said, “What troubles me so much is the Benghazi attack in many ways echoes the attacks on those embassies in 1998, when Susan Rice was head of the African region for our State Department. In both cases the ambassadors begged for additional security” but she said, as with the Sept. 11 attack on the consulate in Benghazi, those requests were turned down by the State Department.
Collins said that Rice told her “she would have to refresh her memory” of the 1998 events and that she was not directly involved in turning down the request for embassy security in 1998.
But Collins seemed dissatisfied with Rice’s response, saying, “Surely given her position as the assistant secretary for African affairs, she had to be aware of the general threat assessment and of the ambassadors’ repeated requests for more security.”
Sen. Susan Collins talks about her meeting with Ambassador Susan Rice and says Sen. John Kerry would be a better Secretary of State. Collins also said it's premature to reach a judgment on the confirmation.
Collins said that before she could support Rice’s nomination, “I would need to have additional information.”
Collins, the senior Republican on the Homeland Security Committee, is up for re-election in 2014. Obama carried her state in the presidential election with 56 percent of the vote.
After his meeting with Rice, Corker seemed to be sending a plea or a warning to Obama to not pick his U.N. envoy as the next secretary of state.
“I know that at some point I may play a semi-important role in who the next secretary of state may be,” Corker told reporters at the Capitol. “I would just ask the president to step back for a moment and realize that all of us here hold the secretary of state to a very different standard than most Cabinet members.”
Corker said, “We want someone of independence.”
He added that “all of us … can become close to people and have loyal soldiers,” implying that Rice was one of those personal loyalists and therefore wouldn’t be right for the job. It was an echo of his comment Tuesday that “when I hear Susan (Rice) talk, she sounds to me like she'd be a great head of the Democratic National Committee.”
At a meeting at the White House with his Cabinet members, with Rice present, in response to a question from a reporter about how senators were treating Rice, Obama said Wednesday, "Susan Rice is extraordinary. I couldn't be prouder of the job that she's done."
At Obama’s Nov. 14 press conference, after Rice came under fire from Republican senators John McCain of Arizona, Lindsey Graham of South Carolina, and Kelly Ayotte of New Hampshire, the president gave a vigorous defense of his U.N. envoy.
“When they go after the U.N. ambassador, apparently because they think she’s an easy target, then they’ve got a problem with me,” he said. “And should I choose, if I think that she would be the best person to serve America in the capacity of the State Department, then I will nominate her.”
McCain, Graham, and Ayotte have all said they’d oppose Rice if Obama nominates her, but the comments Wednesday from Collins and Corker appeared to reflect a growing skepticism in Republican ranks.
When a reporter asked Collins about Sen. John Kerry, D-Mass., as a potential secretary of state, she replied, “I think John Kerry would be an excellent appointment and would be easily confirmed by his colleagues.”
This comment added to the apparent GOP support for Kerry.
On Tuesday McCain told Fox News, “John Kerry came within a whisker of being president of the United States. I think works in his favor (as a nominee to be secretary of state). But I would love to hear him make the case. But I don`t have anything in his background like this tragedy in Benghazi that would make me really want to carefully examine the whole situation.”
For a nomination that hasn’t yet happened and may not happen at all, the potential Rice nomination is generating enormous political heat and noise. That’s partly because it’s shaping up as a nose-to-nose test of Obama’s presidential clout and credibility in the aftermath of his Nov. 6 victory. But it’s also partly because the political futures of Collins, Kerry and others could be on the line.
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Who came up with this "spontaneous protest" excuse and who put Rice out there to spread this coverup lie?
Ummm.....who said that was a coverup lie? You getting your info from Fox News?
Seems like a reasonable question and eric all obama has done is lie wise up!!
0bama said he knew it was terrorism within 24 "check the transcript, check the transcript."
Why 5 days later send out Rice to tell a Story that 0bama admittedly knew at the time was false (lie).
When Condi Rice was on national TV talking about WMD and Iraq was THAT a lie?
elliot-3020456
The Big "0" wants to have his cake and eat it too. What a total bunch of crap this guy is!!
LOL, and Mr. Chris Matthews continues the Progressive rhetoric that the CIA was at fault for providing Ambassador Rice "bad info" when in fact, the CIA talking points indicated that the attack on the Benghazi consulate WAS PLANNED and the "talking points" were modified by this administration:
Matthews: CIA at fault for giving Rice bad info
Heya, Mr. Matthews.....maybe you should get a job at Disneyland.
She was wrong as was the majority of the international intel community, she didn't make up a story.
Here is a list of Democrats and their statements supporting the WMD theory, even before 2001.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/war/wmdquotes.asp
The last statement in the article indicates exactly what is going on: A lot of hot air being vented. No real substance, just a lot of grand-standing, and looking for anything desperately!
There was a consensus of opinion when Condi reported WMD, There was no disjoin of information.
It was wrong, but it No one knew it was wrong until much later.
The two senarios have nothing in common with one another.
I love how certain groups love to re-write history to benefit their slant on a subject.
Do you think those of us that lived through that will forget how it went down??
Yes, of course it was a lie back then on WMD, but does that negate the current situation with false information or lies, NO.
Have you even bothered to listen to ANY of the testimony so far about Banghazi?
Will Obama order for the slain Woods a dishonorable discharge and revocation of his pension to his family for having directly disobeyed the president's order to stand down at Benghazi?
Susan Rice's comments on Benghazi Should have nothing, no bearing whatsoever, relative to Her qualifications as "Secretary of State". She gave very ambiguous information to the American Public, as the intelligence Community wished, and furnished Her. McCain and Turkey Neck Graham very well know this. The CIA, and Military, will not allow these two old "glory hounds" to compromise some covert operation they have going in Libya. McCain and Graham both are becoming embarrassingly incompetent. The new lady from NH has stupidly hitched Her wagon to a pair of old, and very weak, self sucking goats. In the end, all of 'em will come away from this looking like the glorious fools they are, and, if the President picks Her, Susan Rice will be confirmed as the new SOS.
Somebody has hollowed his brain entirely, then refilled it with Glenn Beck, Faux "News" and Alex Jones!!!
And the way things are, if Jesus Christ himself was appointed by the President the repubs would crucify him all over again...
All Republicans do is fight our government and spread misery and pain. They are Al-Queda in America.
Will Obama order for the slain Woods a dishonorable discharge and revocation of his pension to his family for having directly disobeyed the president's order to stand down at Benghazi?
Let's talk about the story she read in the British tabloids about Qaddafi giving his troops viagra to help them rape women. (Source, it was on the news, but you can Google "Rice-viagra-UN"). Based on a British tabloid (they are the most notorious of all) she brought it up before the UN, with no proof, and made a laughing stock out of our Country. We don't need our Country run by quacks in the tabloids and idiots who believe them.
Love watching the Grand Old White People's Party dumping on an obviously intelligent, accomplished African-American woman. Way to tighten up the old fart demographics, you irrelevant, grandstanding goats.
So, we should be able to anticipate all terrorist attacks, whether they occur on our soil or at our embassies or consulates? Then we should have anticipate 9-11, and been able to defend against it. We should have been aware of the impending attacks on the Cole or the military barracks, and prevented it, right? If so, we better go back and hang all those responsible out to dry, as we are with Ms. Rice. Otherwise, let's learn and move on.
I don't think the good ole boys (and girls) of the GOP learned anything from their loss in the Presidential election. Rather than continue to target Rice and try to make something out of it, why not consult with her and others involved in this situation and devise a plan to avoid problems in the future. I suspect the vast majority look and McCain and the rest involved, and wish they would find something constructive to - like find constructive ways to deal with the problems this country faces.
Once again, the only "lie" concerning Rice's Sunday morning talk show is the lie that Rice intentionally misled America. Those who attack Ambassador Rice are the liars, and are helping the Al Qaeda by spreading these anti-American lies. They are despicable. This is the transcript. I wish to God that conservatives would stop believing whatever Fox tells them and try looking up the facts for themselves. As in the Obama birth certificate, the majority of America thinks that the rightwing wackos are just being wacko on this issue - check out the polling after you read the below to learn the facts.
GREGORY: Well, let’s talk-- talk about-- well, you talked about this as spontaneous. Can you say definitively that the attacks on-- on our consulate in Libya that killed ambassador Stevens and others there security personnel, that was spontaneous, was it a planned attack? Was there a terrorist element to it?
MS. RICE: Well, let us-- let me tell you the-- the best information we have at present. First of all, there’s an FBI investigation which is ongoing. And we look to that investigation to give us the definitive word as to what transpired. But putting together the best information that we have available to us today our current assessment is that what happened in Benghazi was in fact initially a spontaneous reaction to what had just transpired hours before in Cairo, almost a copycat of-- of the demonstrations against our facility in Cairo, which were prompted, of course, by the video. What we think then transpired in Benghazi is that opportunistic extremist elements came to the consulate as this was unfolding. They came with heavy weapons which unfortunately are readily available in post revolutionary Libya. And it escalated into a much more violent episode. Obviously, that’s-- that’s our best judgment now. We’ll await the results of the investigation.
As Rachel Maddow pointed out yesterday, the Republicans would love to get John Kerry out of the Senate. Not only would it free up a very prestigious position within the Senate, the GOP thinks they could get Scott Brown back as Senator.
The whole GOP attack against Susan Rice is not about Susan Rice, its about getting another Senator for the GOP.
While the press is thinking the GOP is playing tiddly winks about Susan Rice's role in the Benghazi story, they are really playing hardball politics, tri-dimensional chess style.
For many of the GOP, the fact that Susan Rice is black is just an added bonus. Particularly because they see her as a career diplomat who has risen through the ranks, she obviously is "not very bright."
NRBQLou....
How convenient is the shading of your remark in #1.19. If someone disagrees with anyone that has darker or lighter skin, the only possible reason for that is racism?
Your _________— remarks have a great deal more to do with your head than what it is you're spreading. What a shame that the only objection you can pull out of your........... head is color-based.
The GOP wants Kerry so they can make a play at his Senate seat. That's to bottom line. There strategies are so obvious - Party over country.
When a CNN correspondent asked Senator Ayotte if she would oppose Rice if she was nominated, the senator responded that she would have to wait and see how things developed. Interpretation - she had to wait and see what instructions she would receive from the Party. Is there anyone in the Republican Party who is cappable of making his or her own decision?
This is just more dirty tricks from the GOP/Fox News team... Obstruction at all cost... The GOP doesn't want to deal with jobs and/or taxes, so they play their little games over and over...
McCain, Graham and the like, need to go... They are NOT doing the peoples work... Raising taxes on 98% of Americans so as to protect their richest one percent, is not doing the peoples work...
You are a bigger idiot than you sound.....she was the person put out there to take the heat off the administration because they blew it. Bengazi was begging for additional security and when turned down - how many times?....then they get hit and everyone in Washington ducks for cover.....and send out the UN person...who has nothing at all to do with it. Wow what a great way to cover your tracks...in this day and age of instant communications we cannot be that inept not to see it was a planned attack and all the administration is trying to do is sweep it under the rug until the American population looses it's 15 minute memory.
John Kerry - as Sec of State - this is a man that came out and threw his medals away .....he did not agree with the Viet Nam policy - then WHY did he enlist in the first place......He was not drafted like many of us...he made a choice to go into the military....then to denounce our country and throw away his medals....SHAME on him ...just because he has been in the congress all these years - does not make him a true patriot....only someone who wants an easy job and coast on the taxpayers....
Enough said !!!
Susan Rice is not just a partisan hack but is also completely supportive of Obama because of Race. In 2008 she accused Hillary Clinton of not being ready to be President because Hillary voted in favor of our intervention in Iraq, and had spoken out about Iraq having WMD's.
Sue Collins is far from being partisan but knows that this Susan Rice is not a good fit for our country.
Obama and the media made a big thing about Romney's 47% remark, Obama will never make a remark like that but his actions speak much louder than words, he could care less about bipartisanship and the 47% of the voters that did not vote for him, and are representative of the citizens that do not agree with him.
Hey Fred
Cheney knew, he fired to ones he personally sent in to find these WMD's and they came back reporting there were none. And if Bush didn't know then it shows how incredibly incompetent he is that he had his VP running things.
This is not about a Senate seat. This Rice issue had been going on since before the election when Scott Brown lost. Nice try there Madcow, but learn to use a calendar.
Elliot - the GOP tried to fool their sheep via over-hyping Benghazi (did they fool you?) as an electioneering trick, and they are trying again as another electioneering trick. They are playing a game, but they have no interest in what is good for America. Read Post 1.20 for the facts of the matter, and try thinking for yourself.
The whole GOP attack against Susan Rice is not about Susan Rice, its about getting another Senator for the GOP.
DING DING DING
Sorry - post 1.21 has the transcript. But no one opposes Rice out of an honest opinion that she will hurt our interests abroad. They oppose Rice for political or ratings gain, or simply out of hate and spite. It is a shame.
Dear Americans,
Please ask yourselves "Why is Hillary Clinton stepping down as Secretary of State?"
Answer;
Mrs Clinton is a smart rat and smart rats always jump ship before they sink.
The Obama administration will be exposed as corrupt and vile. It will take time but the truth always comes to light. See the Bush administration for a recent example. No one dared speak out about George W then BING the light went off and the roaches were exposed for their disgusting selves.
Hillary Clinton is stepping down in time to save her career and a shot at 2016.
Why do these news organizations continue to try and make a story out of nothing when they refused to provide viewers and readers with the truth during President Bush's time in office.
They didn't even make a connection between Bush and The Carlysle Group or Bush and Black Water yet these news media continue to talk about what does not matter to most Americans but what matters to McCain and his buddies.
Here is a Story....
AMERICA HAS TURNED INTO A POLICE STATE
attacking innocent civilians who can not fend for themselves....
Will this cause an uprising on many of the local levels????
We need a new world army composed of citizens for fairness all around the world.
It's purpose is to swoop in and prevent governments from taking advantage of innocent civilians being incarcerated, killed, or discriminated against by rogue governments or leaders who abuse their powers.
Will get back with you on the creation of this new power...
PLAYA......
Rice is not the target, never was. It is whoever ordered the changes in the CIA talking points that Rice used in the aftermath to gloss over the truth behind the attacks. There is only 1 person with a motive to do this, and that is OBAMA! Too afraid to be honest with the American people, that it might cost him his re-election, spun this yarn purely for political purposes. Beyond despicable! In the days following the attack, all the administration would have had to say is "we're looking into what happened and will do our best to make sure it doesn't happen again". Instead they lie right to our faces, making up a fable in order to provide short term political cover. Obama is a what I thought he was from day 1, a wimp and a liar. We deserved so much better, now we're stuck with him for 4 more years.
@Victor-1304988#1.33: GWAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
At this point Obama would have to be either an absolute fool or the most pigheaded person on the planet to nominate Rice for Secretary of State. The opposition to her being nominated is growing and it is pretty obvious that it would cost Obama a lot of political capital. This is not a battle that is worth fighting. It would be far smarter for Obama to pick someone else who is more acceptable than to try and fight this one out.
If her a** doesn't stop growing she will niot be able to sit anywhere.
Condoleza and Collin sent us into war.
Get over it GOP!! You lost!!
All democrats do is let the government do whatever it wishes as long as entitlements increase.
To the race card crusaders,
What color were the two secretary of states under President Bush (the last one)? For those too dumb to remember (democrats), they were both black. Colin Powell, the first African American ever to serve that position, and Condoleezza Rice, the first African American woman to ever serve that position.
Yet the evil white man base of the conservatives dont want her because she is a black person???
My God, how low must you libs go to suck off the smallest bit of scum to defend your position. Admit the truth, its not about race or sex, its about how horrible she was at her position.
Elliot -- this is 1000% about a Senate seat. Republicans think if John Kerry is nominated, they just may have a shot at a Senate seat now controlled by a Democrat.
Again, all this is is the republicon stooges grandstanding in an effort to get their boy Brown back in the Senate. Aint gonna happen.
scott
I don't believe you can give a dishonorable discharge to someone who has already been discharged. What pension?
Rustyboy-FL,
You realize that Condoleezza Rice became SOS after we entered Iraq right?
Oh I forget your a dem, so facts, history, and logic have no barring on what you think or say. OK, I forgive you.
The Republican Party has a severe and chronic gambling problem. They keep doubling down on bad bets, and they're just digging the hole deeper. But for me, it just means they'll be buried that much deeper when it's over.
obama likes rice because he likes puppets. he doesnt like people who can think on their own.
The only reason the GOP is against Dr Rice is that they want Sen Kerry to be selected, then they have the opportunity to get Scott Brown appointed to fill Kerry's seat and increase their seats in the Senate.
The GOP doesn't give a crap about Benghazi, only how they can use it to their advantage.
President Obama and Vice president Joe Biden were re elected.......McCain is still pissed he lost to a guy who is half black........same with people whining......nothing but race involved here.......
This person hasn't been paying any attention to the reality of how things went and that this whole Benghazi deal is a pretty big coverup as the administration is all over the map saying one thing then the opposite and so on. All the while, the default and very convenient excuse is 'we are looking into this'. Ya right...too obvious, you would have to be blind not to see it.
We don't need Rice in Clinton's spot, you can bet we will only see more of Benghazi type failures from her, with more convenient denials and throwing low echelon minions under the bus to save their own asses.
GOP
The Grandstanding Obfuscation Party
i'm sure the gop is just doing what they always do--tell a lie and make it a whooper---there are always some people who will believe their lies and distortions. problem -----the people they are aiming these lies at aren't large enough in numbers to elect one of them into the white house. keep it up GOP---thanks for working so hard to get a dem elected to the presidency in 2016---go hilary!
starsailing....And Richard M Nixon was Impeached for the Watergate Breakin (which no one was Murdered) within 19 months of being Re-Elected...So What?
Always pulling out the "Race" Card without and substantiated proof, the only "Racists" here are the ones who keep pulling the "Race" Card! Put Up Or Shut Up!
Next it will be the invariable "Blame it" on the Republicans because everyone knows "Obama" can do no wrong! He can Murder Cheat Lie Disappear American Citizens Disregard the Constitution and their response is always "Bush Cheney" as if that Magic Talisman protects these Democrats from all of their Crimes Failures & Deceptions today!
Oh Well what can you expect from a Corporate Supporting Poster......
Speaking of Benghazi-Gate here is a "Really Check" for starsailing .....Let US see if he can twist these facts into a "Race" Issue?
Petraeus, Allen, Gaouette, Ham: The Benghazi Story The Media Isn't Telling You.....http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=izYMklKUcpk&feature=player_embedded
Impeach Obama in 2012 for posing over the Dead Bodies of Ambassador Stevens and his Defenders for his own Political Gain and for his Cover Up of the Secret CIA Prison in Benghazi which resulted in their deaths!
"Political language is designed to make lies sound truthful and murder respectable, and to give an appearance of solidity to pure wind. " ~George Orwell
Why is Comedy Central a better News source then Fox News? Why is Faux News giving Comedy Central a run for their money as being the nations top rated comedy channel?
Fact:
People who watch NO News are more informed than people who watch Faux News.
In the beginning, there were the three stooges: McCain, Graham and Palin. Lieberman was a part of "that" team to cast a shadow on President Obama and Foreign Affairs. Now, Lieberman is just about out-the-door (and who doesn't see anything wrong in Rice's statement); Palin was swiftly kicked to the curb, and has been replaced with another "sterling" individual, Kelly Ayotte. Who, by the way, questions climate change. Really?
Is it a wonder then, that she now "questions" Rice and Benghazi?
The ONLY thing RepubliCANT's can do, is NOTHING. They aren't doing ANYTHING. They're not moving on the so-called, "Fiscal" Cliff that they cried about throughout the whole election process, their continuous efforts to equate Twin Tower's 9/11 attacks to Benghazi 9/11 attacks is absurd and pathetic and McCain's statement about liking the Patraeus scandal to that of the Iran Contra cover up, was really a sad testament to his aging, and nothing more.
The GOP, as a whole, are doomed as a Party--they only prolong the inevitable.
@starsailing, Yep, it must all be about race! I see you're still as ignorant as ever!
Benghazi shouts the GOP...... What about jobs say the American People
Benghazzi shouts the GOP...... What about the Fiscal Cliff say the American People
Benghazi shouts the GOP...... What about giving certainty to the 98% of Americans about permanent Tax Break say the American People
Bengahzzi shouts the GOP ...... We are going to Vote your A$$es out of office in 2014 say the American people we have had enough of wild eye crazy talk from the GOP
@Steamie2010, if you're going to post ignorant, incorrect crap, at least quit stealing it from starsailing!
Finally a voice of reason to put the truth in the bright light of reality. This is what it's all about, ladies and gentlemen; plain and simple.
So, who would the Republicans be happy with, Bolton? Rs, give us all a break, get over the loss, and get on with fixing this great country. What a bunch of wussies.
You've got to be kidding. And John Bolton was independent? He was a lap dog for the Republicans, and still is.
Keep talking Republicans......2014 is just around the corner.
Republicans ranting....the gift that just keeps giving.
It's a sad day in America when we subject our country to answer to Faux News false accusations and distorted facts. This foreign owned news corp has undermine our government for years by pitting us against each other. We are under attacked but full of hatred for each other to notice it. Wake up America! Don't take marching order from Faux News. We used to have discourse, we used to get things done. Now all we do is fighting each other. It's a sad day indeed.
I really hate to go off topic ...
But has anyone besides me, being 60 years old, noticed how cute the woman in the latest AARP commercial is? 60+? Way Hot. Ok, now back to regularly scheduled fight club.
Obama is loyal to his Cabinet i.e. Susan Rice, even though he sent her out to lie about Benghazi Gate---
If she had morals, she would not have immediately gone out 5 times on the Sunday Talk Shows to outright Lie to the American Public---She is Obama's Scapegoat. The Information was immediately known by our President.
If she had Morals, and Values, she would not accept becoming the next Secretary of State---but then again Denial serves the mind well from facing the Truth. "Power Hungry". It is an aphrodisiac.
Certainly President Obama can come up with someone else who is capable. This is a REWARD for doing a good snow job on the American Public, who are too smart to believe the crazy stories surrounding the massacre; no security to protect them in Libya, and other ME/N. African Countries. All of them are exposed to outright Terrorism from Al-Qaeda, HAMAS, Hezbollah, splinter groups, staged by the Leader of Iran, including Syria. They all must be scared as H---------------------doing their jobs there in Barbaric Countries. No Protection from our Intel, or Government---Petraeus, sleeping on the job!.
The Obama administration will be exposed as corrupt and vile
You probably also predicted Romney would win too right?
And let's not forget who helped to ARM that 9/11 Benghazi attack--2003 Bush and Britain helped (PM Blair.) But most importantly, where there's Bush there is bound to be oil. And as it so happens, there IS oil in Libya. Imagine that.
Old Dog,
Ruff Ruff!
Even my dumb dogs know to change the channel, when they are being feed bull crap.
Watching Faux News is like watching WWE wrestling. Only an idiot would believe it's true!
Ruff Ruff !
Gee talk about Corporate Supporting Posters helping Obama to cover-up Benghazi-Gate...Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWyCCJ6B2WE
Now That Really Sounds Like "POMPUS Obama"....Get'em Toto!
Well please allow me to help explain to the intentionally ignorant of why Ambassador Rice is / was Lying about the real issue behind Benghazi-Gate and to promote the "truth" about this "Shameful Chapter of American History for those honest enough to care.
1st here's Petraeus Main Squeeze "Paula Bombshell" spouting off about Obama's Secret CIA Prison in Benghazi in about 1 minute twenty four seconds.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_PgsLSsSKMI
Now ask yourself then where did "Paula" find out about Obama's Secret CIA Prison in Benghazi from if not from BeTrayUS?
2nd Here's Obama & Clinton posing at Andrews over Ambassador Stevens and 3 other American Citizens Dead Bodies and the American Flag just before the Election
http://www.whitehouse.gov/photos-and-video/video/2012/09/14/president-obama-speaks-ceremony-benghazi-victims
3rd And Don't Forget Ambassador Rice out on all the Sunday Morning talk shows tell US it was a spontaneous Riot and we shouldn't blame President Obama just before the Election?
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/09/ambassador-susan-rice-libya-attack-not-premeditated/
Folks Richard Nixon also was Re-elected yet he was also "Impeached" within 18 months of his Re-Election for his involvement in the Criminal Conspiracy of Watergate for a "Cover-Up" which BTW was a lot less of a Crime than Benghazi-Gate!
"Never waste a good crisis"~Hillary Clinton....http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B62igfNu-T0
Once again folks this is all about the Benghazi-Gate Cover-Up and "No Good" comes out of Rice's nonsense story for ANYONE but OBAMA!
Well other than maybe BeTrayUS to keep his soon to be occupied nice cushy but Mysterious Wall Street Controlled Military Industrial Corporate Sponsored Job! What would you "Say" to be able to retire into a Multimillion dollar a year position?
Impeach Barrack Obama 2012 for the Criminal Conspiracy Cover Up of Benghazi-Gate!
"He who controls the past controls the future. He who controls the present controls the past." ~George Orwell, 1984
May be CIA failed the president (or even attempted to sabotage his 2nd term). May be that is why petraeus lost his job.
How's that "Path to Prosperity" the Republican Congress ran on in 2010 doing?
MUW,
What a waste of energy. Plus Tricky Dick was a crook. Nice try trying to rewrite the record books.
mrburns
You are correct. That was after she went around and lied about wmd's. Oh I'm sorry, bullsh@tmoutain (fox news) said they didn't lie. They were misinformed. Hmmmm, sounds like what is going on now doesn't it?
Let me see, Sadam used WMD in the Iran-Iraq War and then later used them on his people. Considering the man would not let inspectors into the country to inspect all of his facilities, then no, she didn't lie. If she lied then did these Congress democrat leaders also lie???
To President Clinton: “[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq’s refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs.” — From a letter signed by Joe Lieberman, Dianne Feinstein, Barbara A. Milulski, Tom Daschle, & John Kerry among others on October 9, 1998
On the floor of Congress: “Iraq made commitments after the Gulf War to completely dismantle all weapons of mass destruction, and unfortunately, Iraq has not lived up to its agreement.” — Barbara Boxer, November 8, 2002
Did Britain, France, Germany also lie when their leaders & intelligence stated he had WMD?
Rice issue is not even in the same ballpark as Sadam.
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I beg to differ, it has everything to do with her qualifications ,,,,,
,,,,,, this woman, Rice, threw away her credibility when she pandered to the ignorant handling of lack security at the U.S. consulate in Benghazi.
She was naive enough to believe the masses would swallow her shallow story that the WELL PLANNED ATTACK ON THE U.S. Embassy in Benghazi "was a spontaneous result of the YouTube anti muslim videos. . . . ( Stupid of her, and she pushed this lie over & over.)
How could any intelligent person trust her with the post of Secretary Of State knowing what a shallow political mind set she operates from ?????
She is either a liar, very naive, or misinformed and none of those is acceptable. It makes NO difference she is a woman nor black. It is a matter of confidence and qualification.
Now she is rightfully finding she has no credibility, and will not be awarded the nomination.
It is her own damn fault and SHE DOES NOT DESERVE TO BE U.S. SECRETARY OF STATE !
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Psst Steamie2010..... Is that the "best" you got?
So you are trying to claim that "Tricky Dick was a "Crook" because of his Criminal Conspiracy "Cover Up" of Watergate but Obama is NOT A CROOK for his Criminal Conspiracy Cover Up of Benghazi-Gate!
Ah yes the ole Democratic Double Dealing Standard....No One Killed in Watergate by Nixon = Crook......4 Americans Killed in Benghazi-Gate by Obama = Not A Crook!
Hahaha now that is what you call Subjective Math there Steamie2010....Here let me help Educate your kind of "Can Do No Wrong" Democrats a little more history......
The Real Problem With a Secretary of State Susan Rice....http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/world-report/2012/11/27/the-real-problem-with-a-secretary-of-state-susan-rice
This kind of Information always seems to get left out of the "Liberal" Media and your "Subjective" Reality! Next it will be "Bush Cheney"........Talk about trying to rewrite the record books....
Hahahaha, what a bunch of One Line Nonsense!
“Journalism is printing what someone else does not want printed: everything else is public relations.” ~George Orwell
How about someone like Bill Richardson for Secretary of State? Leave Ambassador Rice and Senator John Kerry where they are.
I promise you that this has nothing to do with Ms Rice, a coverup, wrong information or anything other that trying to manuver the nomination to Senator Kerry so he will give up his senate seat.
The GOP wants Kerry's seat open and will fill it with a Republican.
That is all this has ever been about - nothing more. They are just too big of chicken Sh&%! to say so.
The GOP wants Kerry to be SOS so that Brown will win the Senate seat in Massachusetts, but the only problem with that is Hillary is going to ask Kerry to be V.P. when she runs in 2016, So Kerry will not be SOS he is waiting for 2016
phil
Sound like what was going on before and during the iraq war. Even the names are the same, rice. How many americans died in that? I'm not talking about the over 4,000 troops. I'm talking about the american civilians in iraq. You know the ones that the bush administration didn't count. I bet it was more then 4.
or it could be Biden/Kerry 2016
What Silly Nonsense flnobody. Once again out with the Magic Talisman of "Bush Cheney" to justify OBAMA'S Crimes! Next you'll be claiming that "They" don't want Rice because of Kerry!
Well "Bugsy" got away with it..Hahahaha...Bush Lied US into Iraq but Obama "Chose" not to do anything about it.
That DOES NOT Justify OR EXCUSE Obama's Crimes Today...If anything it Proves they are all "Lying Criminals" and deserve to be Prosecuted!
Impeach Obama 2012 for Criminal Conspiracy to Cover UP Murder & Secret CIA Prisons in Benghazi-Gate!
Benghazi shouts the GOP...... What about jobs say the American People
Benghazzi shouts the GOP...... What about the Fiscal Cliff say the American People
Benghazi shouts the GOP...... What about giving certainty to the 98% of Americans about permanent Tax Break say the American People
Bengahzzi shouts the GOP ...... We are going to Vote your A$$es out of office in 2014 say the American people we have had enough of wild eye crazy talk from the GOP
It is truly amazing how many of the Liberals on this post is deflecting away from the subject of the Benghazi incident to everything from the Iraq war to Nixon to the cookie monster.
How about honestly looking into the irrefutable facts that this administration blatantly lied to the American public for 11 days before coming clean. How about subjectively analyze this incident without your Democratic blinders on and see how politically motivated this cover-up was in light of the upcoming election. But please quit changing the subject to completely irrelevant past history.
Sorry, I am probaby asking way too much, so keep spewing the delfections, lies and cover-ups, carry on.
And today Romney's campaign aide says, "Mitt won the votes that really mattered!" What a God Owful Party that will do and say anything to try to get power! We know that the 47% didn't matter! I wanted to get rid of Condi Rice when she said there were WMD in Iraq and their weren't. The whole party needs to be put out to pasture!
To..MUV""""
#1.75
Love it comparing this to watergate ... Gee wonder where you got that from ...
Nixon was forced to resign by his own party
and pardoned by the vice president he appointed so he could not be charged for the real crimes against humanity he was guilty of
think Cambodia...for one and the 4 million deaths he was responsible for with the secret carpet bombing
of a US friendly nation killing about 500,000 Cambodians just from that alone
how do you think Pol Pot came to power
The Republicans just can not get it through their thick skulls that the public has spoken and what they said was Yes to Obama and No to the party of doubt. Go crawl in your hole for another 4 yrs. and let our leader, lead, without all the distractions.
Fast and Furious shouts the GOP...... What about jobs, jobs, jobs say the American People
Fast and Furious shouts the GOP...... What about the Fiscal Cliff say the American People
Fast and Furious shouts the GOP...... What about giving certainty to the 98% of Americans about permanent Tax Break say the American People
Fast and Furious shouts the GOP ...... We just voted your A$$es out of office in 2012, and if you keep up with the wild eyed chant of Benghazi and dont start working for the Majority of Americans we are going to vote the rest of you GOP Bums out in 2014
To clb"""
Nice try at rewriting history ...
Scroll all the way down for the receipts and invoices of chem / bio WMD reaguns sent to Iraq in the 80's
Congressional Record: September 20, 2002 (Senate)
Page S8987-S8998
HOW SADDAM HAPPENED
America helped make a monster. What to do with him--and
what happens after he is gone--has haunted us for a quarter
century.
http://www.fas.org/irp/congress/2002_cr/s092002.html
@MUW you wrote:
1st here's Petraeus Main Squeeze "Paula Bombshell" spouting off about Obama's Secret CIA Prison in Benghazi...
First of all, ANYTHING coming out of FOX is suspect. That said, Paula's comments about Benghazi, or should I say, her best attempt at commenting on Benghazi were, to say the least, bumbling, let alone even true. She shouldn't have said anything, especially where CIA and Delta Force are concerned. This is something I'm sure she's dealing with and answering to those "in the know."
There is no cover up by the President, Rice or anyone else. There are things only privy to some, and you and I are NOT one of those in the know.
My suggestion to you would be to limit your exposure to FOX Excuse; for just as Hannity, Coulter, Rove, Rush and all the rest of the "Hot Air Bags" led you and all the RepubliCANT's astray with a win for Romney, so too will they lead you astray with Benghazi.
In his effort to remain relevant, like an aging rock star auto-tuning his voice to mask the awful material he's playing, John McCain has morphed from a capable, rational statesman, into not much more than a cartoon character, foolishly using Roger Ailes' inane and divisive talking points as props, rather than attempting to lead Republicans away from what he once elequantly described as, "the dark side of American populism."
Its fun listening to the RWNJ shout Benghazi, it is like watching a guy taking a piss into a 50 mph wind, and as the flow hits himself in the face he is looking up into the sky, and asking himself there should be rain clouds since it is raining
This is more proof that Republicans are incompetent. All they care about is dodging their taxes.
If the president is responsible for the acts of terrorists, does that mean that the Republicans are responsible for the original 9/11 attack? Condoleza Rice, who went to the media to decry Iraq and spread lies about who attacked us at that time, certainally knew that nineteen of the twenty hijackers were from Saudi Arabia. Yet, she let Iraq take the blame to further the political ambitions of the Republican administration. Was that not more of a lie than this?
I thought that diplomacy was about keeping secrets, not going to the media and giving our enemies important intelligence information! This is more proof that no one in the Republican party cares what the role of diplomacy is.
This is more proof that Republicans can not govern.
~Mahatma Gandhi,
Forget the fact Obama has his own acknowledged "Personal" Kill List.......
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W7W0PONlcI8
Forget the fact Obama Demanded the Power of Indefinite Detention of American Citizens without Trial.......
http://www.infowars.com/federal-court-rules-in-favour-of-indefinite-detention-of-us-citizens/
Forget the fact that Obama then even denied that he had demanded this Power....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4DNDHbT44cY
Forget the fact that Obama has increased the National Debt more that all other Presidents Combined without benefiting anyone but the Banksters on Wall Street.....
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/17/neil-barofsky-obama-wall-street-reforms_n_1973280.html
Forget the fact that Rice lied to the American People then blames the "Intelligence" instead of her "Bosses" who she got her "Instructions" from......
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/11/susan-rice-on-benghazi-i-relied-on-the-information-provided-to-me-by-the-intelligence-community/
Obama isn't even particular concerned that Rice LIED TO AMERICA to Cover Up Benghazi-Gate....http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/wh-obama-not-particularly-concerned-whether-susan-rice-misled-american-people_664134.html
Just Remember Obama is the new "Christ" to these people and can do No Wrong.......http://radio.foxnews.com/toddstarnes/top-stories/painting-depicts-obama-as-crucified-christ.html
The people have always some champion whom they set over them and nurse into greatness. ...This and no other is the root from which a tyrant springs; when he first appears he is a protector.~Plato
Psst JMagnum Nonsense a "Verifiable truth" remains the "Truth" no matter the source, but of course everyone knows about "Opinions" like yours......At least I substantiate my Posts with the supporting research links!
“Everyone believes in the atrocities of the enemy and disbelieves in those of his own side, without ever bothering to examine the evidence.” ~George Orwell
I think President Obama has been a terrible president in every possible way, but he shouldn't be impeached. Voters knew the kind of person, the kind of politician, the kind of leader, he was and is, and not only did they elect him they elected him again. We deserve the government we vote for, and we richly deserve our present tribulations.
I also can't say that Ms. Rice lied. She may have, but I need more information to know that for sure. What she definately did was front lies for this administration. So either she's a dupe, or she lied for some kind of political profit. Either way she lacks the character one should have to be SOS. Most liberals posting above clearly do not understand the most common meaning of the word "lie". Simply put, it is telling something you know to be untrue at the time you tell it. There are other things that could be lies, but this is the definition that applies in this case.
What Ms. Rice said was clearly a lie. At the time she went on those five shows the White House knew the intel community had already declared it a terrorist act, had already completely discounted the "spontaneous mob" theory, and had already linked the attack to AQ affiliated groups. Further, all the cables sent to DC identifying the threat in Benghazi, along the requests for more security and the warning the Consulate could not withstand an organized attack, had already been re-read. And anyone with an IQ above room temperature had to know 9/11 was a day to be particularly aware and cautious in areas where Islamists could do damage.
So the questions about what Ms. Rice did are simple. Did she know that the classified briefs were at complete variance to the talking points she was given? She did, after all, have the ability to demand to see the underlying intelligence assessments. Who altered the intel communities' talking points which identified the attacks as terrorism? Why were those talking points altered? Why was Ms. Rice, of all people in any event, selected to go on those five shows compared to, say, Clapper, Petraeus, Clinton, or anyone else with some connection to the events? Remember, even Mr. Obama claims that Ms. Rice had absolutely nothing to do with any actions, before, during, or after, with Benghazi. So why pick her to explain to America what took place?
There are far more important questions too about what took place before, during, and after the attacks, in the context of what Mr. Obama, Ms. Clinton, Mr. Clapper, and others in the administration knew and did. At a minimum it seems clear that pleas for more security were rejected, that help during the attacks was rejected, and that an explanation of what took place that night in Benghazi was purposely distorted so that Americans would make false conclusions.
Personally, I am second most offended--after the apparent abandonment of those people in Benghazi, that the Obama administration believed it could spin such a pathetic story so well that most people would buy it. Trouble is, most voters, apparently, did.
Really? She's leaving because "Benghazi-gate" is going to show that the "Obama administration will be exposed as corrupt and vile"? Because she "is a smart rat and smart rats always jump ship before they sink"? If so, then explain this:
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505267_162-57367257/hillary-clinton-puts-a-foot-out-the-door/
This article was dated last January! She was preparing to leave ten months ago!
Saying she's leaving because of this just proves -- once again -- that right wingers will politicize anything to try and get their way. It also shows that while the right wing thinks Americans are dumb, the only dumb ones are their fellow right wingers...since they are the only ones buying this sort of tripe!
Hillary 2016...whether the right likes it or not!
What leader are you talking about, the leader that lead from behind, the leader that throw US under the bus in an apologetic tour, the leader that allowed the UN take over our constitutional rights of, bear arms and free speech in the inter net. The leader that let down our ambassador in Benghazi along with other 4 Americans, the leader that cover-up his head of the DJ for the killing of a Border Agent, a leader that can't bring the two parties together and work with the congress instead to blame them for his lack of leadership, and on and on ................. What kind of leader are you talking about. There is no leadership in the White House.
The Republicans are giving comfort and aid to the terrorists to score political points.
I will never again vote for any Republican for any office.
They are corrupt and self-serving and they will sell their grandmother to score political points.
redvirginia
That was great....... you got all of FUX NUZE talking points in a statement......to bad its all wrong but again we are talking about FUX NUZE what is it that they get right?
Know much about the military Scott? What the "former" SEALs did, they did as civilians, not members of the military. No one can revoke their honorable discharge after they have retired. The President doesn't have the authority to change their discharges.
Where did you come up with this weird idea?
To..red"""
Lies ...
"All the war-propaganda, all the screaming and lies and hatred, comes invariably from people who are not fighting." ~ George Orwell
By the time the Obama / Clinton / Rice / Petraeus / Ham / Broadwell / Kelly / etc etc etc... Benghazi-Gate Scandal finishes playing out Barry will be lucky if he is not Impeached and Hillary / Suzanne will be lucky not to be imprisoned!
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-57513270/remains-of-libya-attack-victims-return-home/
Remember Obama / Clinton posed for a Publicity "Photo Shoot" over the Dead Body of Ambassador Stevens and his American Defenders killed in Benghazi!
The Obama Administration has admitted they "left" them hanging in the wind and relieved General Ham for trying to send help to Ambassador Stevens before his MURDER!
Afterwards Billary had Ambassador Rice try to Cover Up for them both by claiming the Benghazi attack was"spontaneous" in the National Media and NOT related to Al Qaeda who Obama has secretly been supporting in both Libya & Syria!
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/09/16/13896494-ambassador-rice-benghazi-attack-began-spontaneously?lite
Impeach President Obama in 2012 for Covering Up "Their Benghazi Crimes" and Imprison Secretary Clinton for "Perjury" in 2013....Demand that Justice be restored in America!
At least "President Nixon" had enough "Honor" To Resign.....
"In a time of universal deceit telling the truth is a revolutionary act." ~ George Orwell
Sic and Tired:
Yes, you are sick and tired, never ever being a person who would vote Republican.
It is clear that you are a fully instated Democrat (nothing wrong with that)--so why proclaim this warped comment.
"Look in the Mirror". Do you see a duplicate of your own proclamation?
What, exactly, do you people think happens when funding is cut for a specific government program? How can these congress people simultaneously cut funding for embassy security and then whine when embassy security is insufficient to repel an attack? When funding is cut, then the necessary funding is not available when it is needed.
Don't even bother JMagnum, they are bound and determined to make Benghazi another Republican False Outrage like the "Fast and Furious" embarrassment. All it does in the end is destroy what little credibility they have left. There are none so blind as those who will not see.
@lynseypug
Good thought.
Wow Ol_Doc talk about rewriting "History"!
In "Fast and Furious" two Senior Obama Administration Members have already been Fired (Retired / Resigned) and five more are in the process.....http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-pn-five-atf-officials-ruled-responsible-for-fast-and-furious-20120730,0,4364586.story
Yep sounds like an embarrassment to the Obama Administration to me...Well actually it sounds like another Criminal Conspiracy! But Fast & Furious-Gate just doesn't have the right ring to it like Benghazi-Gate does and there was only one American killed (Thousands of Mexicans but EVER Democrat knows....They Don't Count after the Election)!
It might even get to Eric Holder....http://www.examiner.com/article/attorney-general-holder-expected-to-resign-say-law-enforcement-officials
Oh please, pretty please, with sugar on top...Of course they "Always" resign before they are "Prosecuted" but Fast & Furious isn't over with yet!
The corruption in reporting starts very early. It's like the police reporting on the police. ~Julian Assange
MUW....The people of the United States just re elected President Obama and vice president Biden. There is my answer to all your lying posts......
Trying to argue with the Fox News lemmings and right wing trolls polluting this vine is a waste of time. Instead why don’t we just state what’s true, Susan Rice did NOTHING wrong. ALL THIS FAKE OUTRAGE IS NOTHING MORE THAN A BIG PILE OF RANCID REPUBLICAN POLITICS.
It never ends with the Republicans. The only thing they care about is politics, politics and more politics. They NEVER look at what’s good for the country instead it’s whatever is good for THEM; in their sick little minds that’s ALL that matters.
Republicans were put on notice during the recent election but their still in denial and playing the same old games. There is a big difference this time around: now the American people are paying attention. If they don’t start doing what they were sent to Washington to do, in 2014 the Republican Party will be put on the road to extinction.
John Kerry's seat? Are you libs bat crazy? We wanted answers to Benghazi on 9/12, 4 days prior to Susan Rice taking one-for-the-team, long before there was any talk of Susan Rice replacing Hll-of beans. The only motive the right has is to find out why Obama lied to us, to find out why or how the system failed and make sure it doesn't happen again, and to expose this pathetic POS in the white house for who he really is.
"When a reporter asked Collins about Sen. John Kerry, D-Mass., as a potential secretary of state, she replied, “I think John Kerry would be an excellent appointment and would be easily confirmed by his colleagues.”
Republicans, do you have to be that obvious? (President, NO; Attorney general, NO; Secretary of State, NO)...
How high do you want these folks to jump?
Anything but black, right?....lol ....lol
MUW,
Mud Under Wheels
Mind Under Water
Misinformed Unibot Weasel
Psst....starsailing As I have repeatedly pointed out....
A. Richard Nixon was Impeached within 18 mouths of Re-Elect for Criminal Conspiracy To Cover Up Watergate in which there where no "Deaths" or Secret CIA Prisons Corruption and / or "Squeezes" involved unlike Benghazi-Gate!
Yet all we get to hear is even more of the same Wall Street Controlled Corporate Disinformation Propaganda about "How" Free We are(n't) and how well it is(n't) going under the Obomination!
Once again "At Least Nixon Had The Honor To Resign!
B. I Post Supporting Research "Links" to my claims and all you can post is Your "Opinions" or Silly Insults in a Vain Attempt to Belittle The Truth!
It's very simple. If the American people care about a lot of things including corruption in government, then, in fact, if you use the power to appoint in order to do political business, to clear fields, to save your party money and so on, if it's not a crime - and I believe it is - it certainly is business as usual, politics of corruption. ~Darrell Issa
Psst Speaking of Saint Darrel......http://www.infowars.com/congressman-proposes-2-year-ban-on-bills-about-internet/
PS....Steamie2010 You're as SILLY as starsailing
Just give us the facts, Ma'am"~ Joe Friday
MUW is one seriously spooky cat. Got that tinfoil hat tied on a bit too tight don't you?
Ah yes just another "Silly Insult" Post in an vain attempt to cover up the truth about the Criminal Conspiracy of Benghazi-Gate....No facts just 1 Opinion!
Oh well you know you must be hitting home with the truth when all they got is......Silly Nonsense, Insults & Opinions that are merely Uninformed and Belligerent at best!
First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win. ~Mahatma Gandhi
Muw:
"The Truth, and Nothing But the Truth"! The President took an Oath in Office to tell the Truth. Great comments.
Your comments re: Fast and Furious/Brian Terry, the Mexican Border Security Person, killed (Mexico), Benghazi Gate, have all been swept under the Oval Office Carpet---(the parents are still waiting for some explanation, as the parents Chris Stevens the Consulate in Libya). How do they feel?
It is stained now, because everything that is important to Americans is not being revealed; everyone in the Admin is running away from the truth---so in turn, the followers blame the GOP for asking questions.
Asking questions where there has been a catastrophe is normal. We, the People deserve the truth.
The President and All Presidentsl are "Employees" of United States Citizens. Votes. Are we safe in the US?---No one knows anymore, because these subjects mentioned are just blamed on others, or no direct answers--Spinning around the truth.
What is the Truth---Americans are waiting. We knew the truth re: Watergate. Everything will be forgotten; even when the Terrorists strike again. Will it be an "Act of Terror" like any other crime, or will it be actual Terrorism, hopefully not on American Soil. Leadership is all that matters.
I tell the Truth, how about anyone else here? Lying is like chasing your tail; it comes back to bite.
I see plenty of vicious attacks. From both sides, just to be fair. I see liberals flailing away at this story by claiming it is no different than anything before. Which is odd, since the things they cite from "before" just happen to be things they also claim were atrocious acts by our government. This really leads me to question the ability of liberals to comprehend their own arguments.
What I don't see is anyone who defends Mr. Obama or Ms. Rice try to explain why Ms. Rice told the nation on Mr. Obama's behalf a story which was, at the time she said it, known to be untrue. The closest so far has been a feeble attempt to imply that the government, or people in it, know things we don't and so we should not question their actions. Talk about the scariest of all possible voter trends.
If an innocent explanation, simple or not, exists then we should hear it. Failure to explain what happened and why isn't evidence that nothing happened. There is significant evidence today that this administration knowingly lied about an event which, had they not lied, would appear to contradict the campaign narrative of the president.
That last sentence should look familiar to people who've read history. It is very similar to what happened in 1972.
You people that question why it wasn't announced we where being attacked by terrorist have to be the dumbest morons on earth! If more had decided that it was a good time to attack the rest of us or any responding personnel as they did in Benghazi you would be screaming that we need more secrecy. Don't you think maybe we have a new game plan and that is not to give the terrorist any credit for their actions? Get some brains people! All of you that are following the Republican B.S. shame on you for being the nations sheep!
Sorry Confussed-1578043...But you seem to be more than a little "Confused"!
Obama good have chosen to "Say Nothing" belong "This Atrocity is still under investigation" instead of out & out LYING to the American People using the Atrocity as a "Photo Opportunity" just before the Election!
I'd guess you believe..... Nixon - When the president does it, that means that it is not illegal....https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejvyDn1TPr8
And you would probably also agree just like Nixon Obama is saying...."I'm not a crook".....https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sh163n1lJ4M
Hahahaha At least Nixon (a Republican) was Honorable enough to Resign when caught Red Handed in a Criminal Conspiracy....Bumbling Barry just tries to "Bluff" his way out of it!
Well here's another "Reminder" that the "Truth hurts (Liars anyway).....http://www.forbes.com/sites/billflax/2012/10/18/benghazi-four-americans-died-obama-lied-and-the-press-complied/
"You can put lipstick on a pig. It's still a pig" ~Barack Obama
PS Thanks Marchant...I'm just out trying to "Educate instead of Opinionate" the Masses!
'The Truth is not Democratic or even Republican....It is simply the Truth"~MUW (among others I am sure)
Psst I apologize to the "Grammar Queens" out there. The Vines hung up on my edit.........
Obama could have chosen to "Say Nothing" beyond "This Atrocity is still under investigation" instead of his out & out LYING to the American People and using this Atrocity as a "Photo Opportunity" just before the Election!
My bad........
Hi Confussed,
I think you make my first point nicely. Let me see if I can explain to you how what you wrote is so completely wrong. First, it could never be kept a secret that our consulate was being attacked, or had been attacked. Any suggestion we should keep things like that secret is a serious mistake in my opinion. It would never have the effect of encouraging more terrorist attacks, but it also violates the most basic premise of self-governance. People need information with which to make choices. Without this crucial step, our votes become, for lack of a better phrase, popularity contests.
Doing nothing, either during the attack itself or after the fact, likely leads to greater interest on the part of our enemies to attack more. It's a basic law of economics that if you want more of something you should reward it (if it's a good thing, or not punish it if it's a bad thing), and if you want less you should punish it. By doing nothing in the face of a bad thing we encourage more of the same.
We do not have a new game plan which is to deny terrorists acknowledgement. Why do I make this claim? Well, first, terrorists don't base their actions on being acknowledged, they base their actions on getting what they want. In other words, they won't do what doesn't work in favor of what does work. So if we leave Benghazi, which is what we did do in the aftermath of the attack, and this is what the terrorists wanted--and it was--then whether we notify them publicly that we know they did this thing or not changes nothing. They see us leave. They got their rewards. Second, and more simply, terrorists generate their own publicity regardless of what we do to identify them. Third, it strains credulity to think that the terrorists themselves don't think that we have no interest in identifying who they are in any event, and so pretending we don't care (which is what Bush did relative to OBL, and you leftists crucified him for it, remember?) only causes them to ratchet up their efforts.
Lastly, it isn't about secrecy in Benghazi. It's about intentionally lying to the voters in order to perpetuate a false narrative that is the issue. Had Ms. Rice simply reported on those five shows that we believe the attacks were caused by terrorists but that, for national security reasons, we are unable as of yet to identify the attackers, I doubt this story would have taken the "cover up" turn it did.
ps--calling people sheep for questioning what is just a pathetically conceived lie while at the same time you refuse to do anything but accept being lied to is a bit off, don't you think?
These hucksters are a slippery slope headed wrecking crew, it is all about creating a vacancy and putting Scott Brown, the 1% special interest shill back in the senate and not the love of Senator Kerry lol. This is so obvious can't they do better at concealing the true intent here? Dr. Rice along with the CIA director could never satisfy these maggots. The new "talking points police" what a transparent sham...again. That, of course, would result in Kerry leaving his Senate seat, which would mean there would be a replacement appointed, and then they would have a special election....remember the"citizens united" fiasco? Massachusetts and the country needs Kerry to keep his Senate seat and call their bluff. Let them block Dr. Rice and another swipe at women thrown in for good measure...these clowns. We are not putting a Repugnut, a Baggin Baffoon" corporate shill back into the Senate so easily. These rabid beaten down and rejected representatives of the special interest...not yours....are salivating a foamy substance down their pointed contorted faces at the thought of Kerry leaving open his Senate seat....come on anyone can see what is really at play here. How much more obvious can they be when they extol the once "swift boated" Kerry ahahahahaha can't they do better? Senator Kerry can leave and be a cabinet member in Hillary's first term in office....chew on that for a while will you please...lol. Oh how these Repugnuts so love Senator John "swift boated" Kerry and not Dr. Rice for secretary of state and oh so how obvious.
Dr. Susan Rice Secretary of State...hum sounds good to me. Good Luck...
* notice all the lofty praise of the once so "swift boated" Kerry....he is still the same person why is he so wonderful now?.....just sayin'
Is it just me or does Susan Rice look like Michael Jackson?
Gee talk about Corporate Supporting Posters helping Obama to cover-up Benghazi-Gate..
Flap your arms more, maybe if you get REALLY excited you'll fly.
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FactOfTheMatter No facts at all just more silly nonsense attempting to Cover Up the Conspiracy of Benghazi-Gate
Well here is another "Real Fact" for you ...ABC's GMA, NBC's Today Fail to Report Susan Rice's Now-Disputed Claims About Libya Consulate Attack....http://newsbusters.org/blogs/matthew-balan/2012/09/27/abcs-gma-nbcs-today-fail-report-susan-rices-now-disputed-claims-about
Once the America Media Reported such Crimes & Conspiracies, Now the Wall Street Controlled Corporate Media just propagates Obama's (or Bushes) Lies!
“The most effective way to destroy people is to deny and obliterate their own understanding of their history.” ~George Orwell
TO: REB-1013231 who wrote:
If our President is "crap" then Romney must be an even bigger "bunch of crap".
Having said that, if Susan Rice has headed other embassies that were also "hit" and cost American lives, maybe the President ought to nominate someone else and not take anymore chances.
I see no reason why the President ought to be stuck on only one choice for the position, and I don't think it would be helpful to continue to fight over Rice, especially if Republicans have any ammunition.
Mr. President: Please just pick someone else and let's move on to JOBS JOBS JOBS!
MUW - you must stop posting proof and fact that diverges from the official Obama position!!
Can't you see that the few votes your posts are getting indicate that the people aren't interested in truth anymore??
The people want a fairy-tale omniscient, benevolent, African-American role model and leader for the new demographic that makes up America, and they don't WANT to hear anything negative and you're spoiling it!!
They don't CARE about deficits! They don't CARE about debt, borrowing and printing devalued currency! They don't CARE about a few dead Americans in some country they'll never go to! Why don't you get it??
The people now want free healthcare, free education, amnesty for illegal foreign nationals living here, and they want WHITE people to pay for it!! This is their chance at REVENGE and they don't want the likes of you raining on their parade!!!
Please be kind, get back into formation and start marching.
Confussed-1578043
You people that question why it wasn't announced we where being attacked by terrorist have to be the dumbest morons on earth!???????????Confussed Confussed Confussed................. another dumb liberal
Proud 2B Liberal...Sure I'll just listen to and use the so called "Liberal" Corporate Controlled Court of NBC Opinions as my guide to Posting the "Truth"!
Honestly you have to wonder doesn't is embarrassing to these people that the ONLY Defense they have to Obama's Crimes Against America and Benghazi-Gate is "Bush Cheney" did it too?
PS I don't listen to Racists anyway.....Neither from the Left Or Right....The "Facts" stand on their own regardless of "Color"....Everything else is an "Opinion"!
Judge Them Not By What They Say... But By What They Do~MUW'S Grandmother (Among Others I am Sure)
I must say half of these comments ring the words " Well, he did it first so we get to do it now "
This is the thinking. Well, that is foolish and most people do not think that way.
She lied and will continue to lie cause her maasa told her to.
It will be called a Burn Notice. Quiet appropriately.
Demsarehypocrites,
It takes an a hole to say that!
Demsarehypocrites,
It is just you and your bad eye sight, bad judgement and republicaness!
What the GOP senators that interviewed Rice about Benghazi don't want you to know about, or to remember:
JASON CHAFFETZ ADMITS HOUSE GOP CUT FUNDING FOR EMBASSY SECURITY
Excerpts:
Rep. Jason Chaffetz (R-Utah) acknowledged on Wednesday that House Republicans had consciously voted to reduce the funds allocated to the State Department for embassy security since winning the majority in 2010.
For the past two years, House Republicans have continued to deprioritize the security forces protecting State Department personnel around the world. In fiscal year 2011, lawmakers shaved $128 million off of the administration's request for embassy security funding. House Republicans drained off even more funds in fiscal year 2012 -- cutting back on the department's request by $331 million.
Consulate personnel stationed in Benghazi had allegedly expressed concerns over their safety in the months leading up to the Sept. 11 attacks that killed four Americans, including [the late] Ambassador Chris Stevens.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/10/jason-chaffetz-embassy_n_1954912.html
This is ALL ABOUT GOP:
- Detraction
- Deflection
-and SOUR GRAPES!!
Period!!
MUW,
Are you a bitter ditto head who missed the last flight to Costa Rico with fatboy Rush.
Yeah! That's Right! Simple minded - short time span - oops you forgot.
Fatboy Rush lied too! Why is he still in the USA when he said he would leave if Obama won on 11/06/2012
Simple solution nominate Kerry and appoint Caroline Kennedy to Kerry's seat. Then let happless Brown try and knock off the daughter of a slain president.
In her statement she made it clear that she was going on the 'best information available' to her 'at the time'.
News articles and reports from reporters who talked to eyewitnesses specified they saw the militants responsible gathering people to protest the film. One of the the attackers beat up a member of the Libyan security team claiming the Libyan military guy was an 'infidel protecting infidels who insulted our prophet'.
Yes, they were later proved to be members of an al-Quaeda splinter group, but there was eyewitness evidence that could lead one to make a reasonable assumption that a protest about the film was involved. And if a military operation against the splinter group was in the works, then informing that splinter group that we knew it was them could alert them to the fact that we cold retaliate and they would have evaded us. By sticking to the story that it was about the film, we would look clueless to the extremists responsible and while they were watching the TV and laughing at us, we would be sneaking up their back door.
But then the people of Benghazi took matters into their own hands and conducted their own assault on the militants, while crying for justice for 'Libya's Friend' Chris Stevens.
So no, I believe it wasn't for 'political reasons', it was to protect the integrity of a military investigation/operation. But when the people of Benghazi threw out the militants of their own accord, there was no need to hide it further and shortly after the militants had been driven out of Benghazi on Sept 22, the administration officially called it terrorist act.
I've posted the following article before, but will post it again for clarification purposes.
TRIPOLI, Libya (AP) — It began around nightfall on Sept. 11 with around 150 bearded gunmen, some wearing the Afghan-style tunics favored by Islamic militants, sealing off the streets leading to the U.S. Consulate in Benghazi. They set up roadblocks with pick-up trucks mounted with heavy machine guns, according to witnesses.
The trucks bore the logo of Ansar al-Shariah, a powerful local group of Islamist militants who worked with the municipal government to manage security in Benghazi, the main city in eastern Libya and birthplace of the uprising last year that ousted Moammar Gadhafi after a 42-year dictatorship.
There was no sign of a spontaneous protest against an American-made movie denigrating Islam's Prophet Muhammad. But a lawyer passing by the scene said he saw the militants gathering around 20 youths from nearby to chant against the film. Within an hour or so, the assault began, guns blazing as the militants blasted into the compound.
One of the consulate's private Libyan guards said masked militants grabbed him and beat him, one of them calling him "an infidel protecting infidels who insulted the prophet."
The witness accounts gathered by The Associated Press give a from-the-ground perspective for the sharply partisan debate in the U.S. over the attack that left U.S. ambassador Chris Stevens and three other Americans dead. They corroborate the conclusion largely reached by American officials that it was a planned militant assault. But they also suggest the militants may have used the film controversy as a cover for the attack.
Oh for pity's sake.
We've BEEN through this already, Gil, knock it off!
1) this comment was made by Susan Rice in April of 2011--MORE THAN A YEAR AND A HALF AGO.
2) she specified what she had heard was from 'unofficial reports'.
3) she was right--she was quoting a spokesperson for the International Criminal Court.
The International Criminal Court's chief prosecutor says that there is evidence Qaddafi ordered the rape of hundreds of women to spread fear of his regime and curb dissent. And ICC Chief Prosecutor Luis Moreno-Ocampo also said there is evidence that Qaddafi may have distributed Viagra-type drugs to his troops "to enhance the possibility to rape."
Although Qaddafi has brutally suppressed dissent among Libyans for decades, the use of rape as a weapon appears to be a new tactic, Moreno-Ocampo told BBC News. "It was never the pattern he used to control the population. The rape is a new aspect of the repression. And that's why we had doubts at the beginning, but now we are more convinced," he said.
Let me ask you question--why fuss about it now, more than a year and a half after she made the comment? if there was any indiscretion committed, it would have been handled at the time and should be a non-issue now. Qaddafi is dead, his regime over.
Radcliffe said:
Ethan Chorin's NY Times article: Ethan was in Benghazi to Meet Ambassador Stevens, you conspiracy/cover up theorists need to read.
Thank you.
For those who can';t be bothered to go find it, here it is:
ON Wednesday morning, my colleagues and I were to meet in Benghazi with J. Christopher Stevens, the American ambassador to Libya, to discuss a plan for a new division of emergency medicine at Benghazi Medical Center, the largest and most modern hospital in eastern Libya. The meeting never took place. The night before, militants laid siege to the American Consulate in Benghazi, killing the ambassador and three other Americans. The ambassador was taken, without a pulse, to the hospital we hoped to upgrade.
The draft agreement we were working on was the kind of visionary effort to improve life in Libya that Ambassador Stevens liked — in this case, a collaboration between doctors in Boston and Benghazi, brokered by a nongovernmental organization that a Libyan-American and I had organized after the recent revolution. Our goal was a center that could also serve as a training facility for all of eastern Libya. It was the kind of public-private and Libyan-American partnership that Ambassador Stevens believed could help Libya move beyond decades of stagnation and despotism.
On Tuesday night, even as the men who would kill him were closing in, Ambassador Stevens told us by phone how happy he was that the project was nearing fruition. He told us it was important to show our government’s support for such initiatives, and we made plans to meet with the medical center’s director general, Dr. Fathi al-Jehani, at the hospital the next morning. Dr. Jehani himself had been a target of violence for his forward-thinking views.
About half an hour later, I called the ambassador’s security detail to discuss the visit, only to hear the words “we’ve got a problem here” — with an alarming expletive inserted. The line went dead. And we were left to listen helplessly as the sounds of distant violence carried across the city to our hotel room — a long rocket-propelled grenade volley, and machine-gun fire that continued for the better part of an hour.
Ambassador Stevens arrived after midnight at Benghazi Medical Center, where we were to have met. Its emergency room staff, which included Libyan expatriates who had returned from well-paid jobs abroad, worked for 45 minutes to try to resuscitate him. It was no use.
The tragedies of this situation simply compound one another. For a forthcoming book about the Libyan revolution, I have interviewed scores of current and former Western officials, many of whom were either pessimistic about or indifferent to Libya’s growing pains. In their eyes, Libya continues to be a sideshow of the broader Arab Spring.
Ambassador Stevens did not agree. I discussed Libya’s future with him last spring in a Washington cafe, as he awaited confirmation as ambassador. He had already been the deputy chief of mission in Libya, and he had been the United States envoy to Benghazi during the dangerous early days of the revolution. So he knew Libya, and he believed that it could become one of the first full success stories of the Arab Spring — that Islamic radicalism there could be nipped in the bud if Western governments acted decisively to put the country on a path to stability and social progress.
Now, his death may derail the very processes he championed.
Mr. Stevens understood that Libyans had suffered under Col. Muammar el-Qaddafi, and that conflict and post-revolutionary instability were to be expected. He also understood that some, if not all, of the hatred that had pushed some of Libya’s youths to join radical factions in Afghanistan and Iraq had sprung from years of neglect and oppression. Now, he felt, new opportunities needed to be created to wean these people away from ideologies rooted in hate.
No doubt that was one reason he made a point, as ambassador, of continuing to visit Benghazi, the East’s largest city, despite the clear risks; there had been attacks on other high-level diplomats there in the previous months. It is a mystery at this point why the consulate compound was so lightly fortified, but I would not be surprised if Mr. Stevens had decided to stay overnight in Benghazi simply because his list of planned meetings with Libyans there was too long to be accomplished in one afternoon.
The morning after the attack on the consulate, my colleagues and I returned to the medical center, where we witnessed an outpouring of sadness and, as one physician put it, shame. The emergency room staff members who worked to save Mr. Stevens broke down in tears, as did the physician in charge. Some knew or had met Mr. Stevens; some had not. But all were aware that he had been a champion of Libya, and of Benghazi in particular, and that his death may have rolled back Benghazi’s stupendous revolutionary accomplishments by months — even if it does not set off a period of heightened instability in eastern Libya. Many Libyans outside the hospital also offered condolences and expressed profound regret for America’s loss.
In the West, we can now expect a strong temptation among governments and private enterprise to declare the Libyan experiment a failure, and to respond by disengaging, retreating or focusing only on the extirpation of radical elements. That would be a terrible mistake. The attack has already entered into the American presidential debate in a base fashion, with Mitt Romney’s first instinct being to criticize President Obama over the timing of his denunciation of the attack. But Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton got it right when she spoke of the Libyan people as allies in the fight against extremism.
The gravest mistake would be for the United States to write off Libya as an irredeemable terrorist haven, or for politicians in Washington to regret having intervened in support of Libya’s rebels. Libya is still far better off today than it was under Qaddafi. The grip of fear has been broken. Election posters festoon the country. Election schedules have been met. And there is a rich expression of individual opinions.
Nevertheless, the Libyan people need support to consolidate gains, and to continue a fight against largely foreign-financed radicals who wish to hijack the revolution in the name of intolerance. And the United States must help the Libyans do that. The loss of Ambassador Stevens will, I hope, goad the Libyan government into matching its discipline about election schedules with far bolder steps to crack down on extremists and disarm the country’s militias. And Libya should press the American government for even more support in that effort, even as it encourages American organizations to find common cause with their Libyan counterparts to improve the lives of Libya’s citizens.
This week the United States lost one of its most admirable public servants, and I can report that at least some Libyans are profoundly aware that the loss is theirs as well. As we arrived at the airport under armed escort, a member of the airport ground crew said: “Today I will go home, I will take off these clothes, and I will put on only black. As a Libyan, I am so sorry this has happened.”
Incorrect. See below:
About 9:40 pm (local time) large numbers of armed men shouting "Allah akbar" descended on the compound from multiple directions. The attackers lobbed grenades over the wall and entered the compound under a barrage of automatic weapons fire and RPGs, backed by truck-mounted artillery and anti-aircraft machine guns. A Diplomatic Security agent viewed on the consulate's security cameras "a large number of men, armed men, flowing into the compound." He hit the alarm and started shouting, “Attack! Attack!” over the loudspeaker.
Phone calls were made to the embassy in Tripoli, the Diplomatic Security Command Center in Washington, the Libyan February 17 Brigade, and a U.S. quick reaction force located at a second compound (the annex) a little more than a mile away. Ambassador Stevens telephoned Deputy Chief of Mission Gregory Hicks in Tripoli to tell him the consulate was under attack. Mr. Hicks did not recognize the phone number so he didn't answer it, twice. On the third attempt Mr. Hicks answered the call from Ambassador Stevens.
Diplomatic Security special agent Scott Strickland secured Ambassador Stevens and Sean Smith, an information management officer, in the main building's safe haven. Other agents retrieved their weaponry and tactical gear from another building. They tried to return to the main building but encountered armed attackers and retreated.
The attackers entered the main building and rattled the locked metal grille of the safe haven. They carried jerrycans of diesel fuel, spread the fuel over the floor and furniture, and set fires. As thick smoke filled the building, Stevens, Smith, and Strickland moved to the bathroom and lay on the floor, but they decided to leave the safe haven after being overcome by smoke. Strickland exited through the window, but Stevens and Smith did not follow him. Strickland returned back several times but couldn't find them in the smoke; he went up to the roof and radioed other agents.
Three agents returned to the main building in an armored vehicle; they searched the building and found Smith's body, but not Stevens.
A quick reaction force from the CIA annex arrived and attempted to secure the perimeter and locate the ambassador but were unable to find Stevens in the smoke-filled building. The team then decided to return to the annex with the survivors and Smith's body. While en route back to the annex, the group's armored vehicle was hit by rifle fire and hand grenades. The vehicle was able to make it to its destination with two flat tires, however.
You people on the left and right are sounding like children arguing...sick of this site. It has been swell but the swelling has gone down.
Doherty and Woods were EX-Navy SEALS. They had gotten a discharge and were privately contracted with the CIA as security. They were at the CIA annex a mile away from the consulate helping military reinforcements from the embassy in Tripoli evacuate 30+ Americans when the CIA annex was attacked three hours after the consulate attack:
After the consulate attack and before the annex attack, Libyan government forces met up a group of Americans (believed to be eight reinforcements from Tripoli) that had arrived at the Benghazi airport and went with them to the CIA annex at about 4 am to assist in transporting approximately 32 Americans at the annex back to the airport for evacuation. As they were at the annex arranging for the transportation back to the airport a single shot rang out, quickly followed by RPGs and then a mortar that hit the annex roof killing Glen Doherty and Tyrone Woods while operating their machine gun while Ubben suffered shrapnel injuries and several broken bones. According to Ubben's father, "The first [mortar] dropped 50 yards short and the next two were right on target."
I'm going to set a few facts straight here:
1) Ambassador Stevens asked for an extension on his SST from the State Department, and he asked it for the Embassy in Tripoli. Not the consulate.
2) The official US Embassy is in Tripoli. The consulate, where Ambassador Stevens died, is in Benghazi, about 400 miles away. It is a set of office buildings surrounded by a wall. It is not a regularly-staffed office, no people actually work out of it, it is a satellite location for the diplomatic team to conduct meetings with parties on the east half of the country.
3) Stevens and Smith were the only two that died at the consulate; Doherty and Woods, both former Navy SEALS privately contracted by the CIA, were killed in the attack on the CIA annex some distance away three hours later. They were killed while helping 30+ Americans at the CIA building evacuate. Doherty and Woods were never at the consulate that day and NEITHER DOHERTY OR WOODS WERE ACTIVE-DUTY, CURRENTLY SERVING MILITARY.
4) Stevens was NOT raped, tortured sodomized or anything of the sort.
5) Part of the responsibility for the incident must lie with Ambassador Stevens himself. He traveled to the consulate that day from the (fortified and guarded) Embassy in Tripoli for some local meetings that took longer than he expected; he decided not to travel back to the embassy, but to stay overnight at the consulate and resume meetings the next day. There were only about seven people in the consulate that night when Stevens saw his last visitor (a Turkish diplomat) out of the building at about 8:30 local time. Knowing the area was full of unrest, and protests had been going on about the anti-Muslim video throughout the day (a Libyan witness interviewed about the incident said he saw a few members of the militia responsible gathering ordinary people outside the consulate to protest the video) in hindsight the decision to overnight in a building with inadequate protection was inappropriate.
6) There were roughly about 125-150 attackers.
7) The Libyans were extremely sorry and there was an outpouring of support. There were demonstrations in Benghazi and Tripoli on September 12, condemning the violence and holding signs such as "Chris Stevens was a friend to all Libyans," "Benghazi is against terrorism," and other signs apologizing to Americans for the actions in their name and in the name of Muslims. The NY Times noted that young Libyans had also flooded Twitter with pro-American messages after the attacks. It was noted that Libyans are typically more positively inclined towards the United States than their neighbors. A 2012 Gallup poll noted that "A majority of Libyans (54%) surveyed in March and April 2012 approve of the leadership of the U.S. -- among the highest approval Gallup has ever recorded in the... region, outside of Israel." Another poll in Eastern Libya, taken in 2011, reported that the population was at the same time both deeply religious conservative Muslims and very pro-American, with 90% of respondents reporting favorable views of the United States.
8) A week after the attack on the consulate the ordinary people of Benghazi rose up against the militants responsible, storming their compound and driving them out while shouting slogans like 'Justice for Chris' and 'Libya Lost a Friend' as they did so. Two days later the Libyan government declared these unauthorized militias illegal and decreed they disband. The decree also made public carrying of weapons illegal; and the next day hundreds of Libyans handed over their weapons. The government also started raiding bases and compounds held by these rogue militia, to the general approbation of the people.
9) On September 12, during press conference in the Rose Garden called in response to the attack, President Obama said:
"...no acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this great nation, alter that character, or eclipse the light of the values that we stand for. Today we mourn four more Americans who represent the very best of the United States of America. We will not waver in our commitment to see that justice is done for this terrible act. And make no mistake, justice will be done."
Whether he meant that to mean he did view the incident as a terrorist act or not is up to personal interpretation.
10) Eyewitnesses interviewed after the attack told reporters that they had seen a few of the militants out on the street trying to start a protest about the video about an hour prior to the attack. Also, one of the Libyan guards for the consulate that night reported that he was beaten by the militants who accused him of being an 'infidel protecting infidels who insulted our prophet'.
11) Susan Rice's comments to the UN about Qadaffi's passing out Viagra to his troops to encourage them to rape Libyan civilian women were not taken from a tabloid. A certain poster commented on Susan Rice's comments to the UN about Qadaffi having passed out Viagra to the tropps, claiming she got it from a tabloid and embarassed the nation. This is untrue--International Criminal Court Chief Prosecutor Luis Moreno-Ocampo said they had evidence that Qadaffi may have done so. AND THIS COMMENT WAS MADE IN APRIL OF 2011, more than a year and a half ago. It is a non-issue.
Oh Steamie2010 .....Thank you for such a nice Complement (Not) but I did notice that once again you seem only able to Spew Silly Nonsense & Insults instead of facing the "Truth' which is Obama is merely another Wall Street Puppet in a LOooong Line of Wall Street Puppets!
It must really hurt bad to know that you too were betrayed by your Master "The Obomination" to the Robber Barons!
Worse thing I can possible think of to have happen to Someone....To realize your "God" Obama has feet of Clay Who Murders Lies Cheats & Steals and is just another "Stooge" of the Mega Rich Oligarchs on Wall Street by following 'Their" orders and who has sold His / Our and Our Children's Souls to these Devils!
Well good luck with your Demon / Denial Issues.... I'll keep posting Reality with Supporting Evidence & Links and you'll keep Spewing Your Silly Nasty "Opinions".....No Doubt!
"To see what is in front of one's nose needs a constant struggle." ~ George Orwell
BTW Hows that new Obama Phone working out for you?
The dynamic switcheroo. We always come up with more rationale for our decisions 'after the fact'. Especially when the original premise becomes uncomfortable after a brief perusal of history. I'm sure Colin Powell knows what I'm talking about if the three neanderthals had 'forgotten about that'. 'Well. 'they' got to complain, now it's our turn'. Not ezzackly concerned about the best interests of the country.
Susan Rice IS unqualified for this job. She was fully aware of what she did on the Benghazi debacle and the fact that it was politically motivated to keep Al Qaeda out of the killing of 4 Americans.
We don't need ANOTHER lying and distrustful person in one of the highest offices in the land.
And BTW, has anyone other than me noticed that every time Susan Rice is around, Obama always embraces her or what seems to be a somewhat suspicious "pat on the back."
This, I think, is why he prefers Rice over Kerry and the qualifications of Rice is no match for the experienced John Kerry.
Cover Up the Conspiracy
*rolls eyes*
Here's your tinfoil hat, maybe if you search hard enough you'll find the second gunman who killed JFK and also Jimmy Hoffa's body.
You know what the fundamental problem with conspiracy is? IT REQUIRES MORE THAN ONE PERSON.
But everyone is against you right? I'd be more sympathetic if I didn't just feel sad.
And no, you will never be vindicated.
OK Amanda-2017567 A picture is worth a Thousand words (or in your case 10,000) you said.....
4) Stevens was NOT raped, tortured sodomized or anything of the sort.
So I would love to hear your explanation of http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012/09/islamists-drag-dead-body-of-us-ambassador-in-the-streets/
Might I also add say that Claim is "Undetermined" yet you claim it is UNTRUE.....http://www.snopes.com/politics/military/stevens.asp
Also I notice you make a lot of statements yet I see No links to support your claims?
Also I noticed you said
11) Susan Rice's comments to the UN about Qadaffi's passing out Viagra to his troops to encourage them to rape Libyan civilian women were not taken from a tabloid.....AND THIS COMMENT WAS MADE IN APRIL OF 2011, more than a year and a half ago. It is a non-issue.
And because this Disgusting "Lack Of Judgement" and Rumor Mongering was made a year and a half ago and lead to an Over throw Qaddaffi by Al Qaeda in Libya....Well gee that's OK it's a non issue today
I suspect two things here. 1. The Republicans want to smear Susan Rice so she won't get the Secretary of State job so Obama has to give it to John Kerry, and the Republicans can run Scott Brown for his seat. 2. The Republicans want to draw attention away from the fact that they are the ones who denied more funding for extra security for our embassies. These are obvious.
http://www.drudge.com/news/161889/gop-cut-embassy-security-funding
It's just you.
You guys are right, I shouldn't have insulted the dead like that... RIP Michael Jackson
I guess I should've added Susan Rice reminds me of one of those transsexuals you would see on Jerry Springer, telling some poor soul that she used to be a man...
"clwyd-2621393
Demsarehypocrites,
It takes an a hole to say that.
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Ummmmm........Thanks...
This is nothing but republican bull@!$%#, trying to make Benghazi into something that it is not. They aren't even interested in the real issue, which is how to make sure it doesn't happen again. Republicans are compromising national security by beating this dead horse. The intelligence community is who put those talking points out there, and there was likely CIA activity going on. Also republicans are the ones who voted to cut security funding for our foreign embassies and consulates. The REAL reason republicans are doing this is because they want John Kerry, not Rice, as Sec of State so Scott Brown can get Kerry's senate seat. That is it and I hope it doesn't work for them. Nothing but a manufactured fake 'scandal' complete with false outrage.
No, you are thinking of Mann Coulter.
Do you know how The United States of America goes to war, legally? Just in case you do not, it takes the APPROVAL of CONGRESS!!!!! Which they approved. All of the men and women got information from our very own FBI and CIA, by the way.
I would bet a year of my paycheck to prove to you and EVERY LIBERAL who constantly say, YOU LOST. It is because you do not see that this is the concern and/or disagreement with our current administration. It is because he throws people under the bus, gives them a full pension (fast and furious), and then they step down. Huh????? A logical person would think...huh? What's up?
Maybe you and others should do my their research and come up with; MY OWN OPINION. Wow!!!!! What a concept.
Go to snopes.com and enter weapons of mass destruction quotes. Read and learn!!
lib50, no lets be real about it Richard Madkow , uhhh, I mean Rachel Madkow, looks like a true tranny..
For republicans to go after Susan Rice the way they're against her, I knew it had to be another republican trick, now I know what they're doing.
Former republican senator Brown lost his seat in the last election, republicans don't want President Obama to give Hiliary Clinton's job to Rice, they want him to give it to John Kerry. If President Obama give the job to Kerry then republicans and Brown can make a move to replace Kerry, thus returning Brown to a seat in congress. Susan Rice has no seat that a republican can take if she is promoted, so they don't want her promoted, they want Kerry and his seat.
Brown is one of the republican party's young hotshots they don't want to lose even tho the voters in his state voted him out, they're trying very hard to get him back in.
It's just as I thought, republicans saying Susan Rice is incompetent, is just another republican trick.
I forgot to mention, John Kerry is a Democrat, so they're going after a democrats seat.
A group of locals found Stevens in a small locked room, pulled him out of the window, found he was still alive and rushed him through the streets to the nearest hospital, where doctors worked for 45 minutes to save the ambassador, then, failing that, placed his body on an airlift and sent him on to Tripoli, to the US Embassy there. The streets were clogged and blocked, there was fire everywhere, and the people of Benghazi did what they could to save his life.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/09/17/us-ambassador-video-idUSBRE88G19Y20120917
Think about it, if there were signs of violence on the body, the doctors at the hospital would have noticed. The officials who accepted the body for transport back to the US would have noticed. The receiving officials who accepted his body here in the US from the transport would have noticed. The morticican who prepared his body for the funeral would have noticed. Great Goddess, if this were true his FAMILY would be the ones screaming it from the housetops, and Mitt Romney's campaign would have used it as fuel for his campaign. As we have heard NOTHING from any of those sources, particularly his family, then I must conclude the rumors are untrue.
How is it 'lack of judgement' and 'rumor mongering' to repeat something that an ICCC prosecutor has cited as their reason for wanting Qaddaffi?In case you've forgotten, Qaddaffi was also allegedly behind the Lockerbie, Scotland plane crash/bomb back in the 80's and many human rights violations in the time since.
Hello again Amanda,,,,,
,,,, who are you working for ?
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Good morning Marchant,,,,,
,,,,,, Great post you wrote. Spot on. Thank you !
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We put a man in the oval office that had neither the qualifications, the legislative record, or executive experience to be there. In fact the nation was foolish enough to seat him twice. So why should it come as any surprise that he would nominate someone for a role as important as Secretary of State who is equally unqualified?
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Who are you kidding Rick,,,,,,,
,,,,,,, We as a nation were STUPID enough to elect George "W"orst President In U.S. History,,,
,,,TWICE !!!!!!!
How could it possible supprize you we would elect someone as mediocre as Obama ????
We have already proved how stupid as a nation we are to the whole world. (My gawd, we entered a useless , immoral war based on a few shallow lies.)
Obama sucks but Romney sucked much worse ! (And Bush is who the word "sucked" was invented for.)
9) On September 12, during press conference in the Rose Garden called in response to the attack, President Obama said:
"...no acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this great nation, alter that character, or eclipse the light of the values that we stand for. Today we mourn four more Americans who represent the very best of the United States of America. We will not waver in our commitment to see that justice is done for this terrible act. And make no mistake, justice will be done."
Whether he meant that to mean he did view the incident as a terrorist act or not is up to personal interpretation.
Amanda, it is very obvious Obama was not referring to the Benghazi attack as an act of terror, but was making a blanket statement about terrorist acts that may occur in the future as to make himself appear presidential. Need proof, simply look at his statements that followed for the better part of 2 weeks, the T word was never used in conjunction with Benghazi. Countless references to the "Video" are made though, even though we know Obama knew exactly what the nature of the attack was, if not withing hours, certainly within a day or two. The intel community knew it, how could the president not know it, especially on a matter of this magnitude. Furthermore if Obama truly didn't know, if no one in his cabinet thought it important enough to give Obama the straight story, then the incompetence of this whole admin is off the charts inept to an alarming degree. Take your pick, a terrible liar, or a hopelessly incompetent leader and administration. What a choice!
lets just let the dems continue with their agenda. Please do not call out when someone dies, you will be called racist, a nutjob, or worse. When someone dies under this administration it is ok. Because someone has died in the past under someone else's administration, that could have been covered up, it is ok to let them die today and please do not dare question what we could have done, because Bush was in office ever, all actions by the other party are excused by God himself. You are not allowed to question this administration, or else, you are al'quida himself. Period. End of Story.
APPERENTLY BECAUSE BUSH SERVED AS OUR PRESIDENT, ALL ACTIONS ARE EXCUSED IN THE NAME OF BUSH DID IT. this will forever be used by evildoers to make sure no one looks at them when they murder.
LMAO
when will the far right wing realize they have lost all trust/.
Even if there was truth to your statements we will never believe you because you have abused America one to many times and many of us have noticed, and more are noticing
nobody outside a small faction of nutjobs trusts a far right winger
Bob-902090, you're suspended for a day for violating #1 of the Code of Honor.
Doesn't anyone recall the that the Grench (John McCain) that started this whole controversy is the brilliant vetter that selected Sarah Palin to be a potential President. I would think his opposition to anyone would be considered to be an endorsement.
Oh God this is good. I hate to break the news to you but Republican leadership in the Senate...REPUBLICAN...leadership has already stated Kerry would sail through the confirmation process. In fact, Senator Collins stated Kerry would be an excellent choice for Secretary of State. Remember all that swiftboat BS...the Republicans in the Senate know it was BS. The only ones left out in the cold are you loyal FOX News viewers...ROFLMAO!!!
No strings on Fox viewers though, huh? All self-reliant people who only believe what they want; never anything anyone tells them, most especially if it comes from the dreaded "lame-stream media", which you would consider nearly every media outlet in the world to be -- except for the prestigeous Fox News and the highly honorable Rush Limbaugh? You're all real boys for sure; not a wooden boy among the lot of you.
Go Amanda Go - very welll done......
I like Susan Rice..who is going to be a great Secretary of State
What qualifies her for the job? Is she the most qualified person 0bama can find?
Why not?
Yep, Ambassador Rice would fit right in with the Parrot Progressives within Mr. Obama's administration.
Still waiting on "Fast and Furious" FACTS from this administration.
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Jake Reyna......Heya Jakie.....nice copycat of my Avatar.
Wow...where do you get your info from?
in a pigs eye
And we see the problem inherent in the current system. Even if you think you are voting for a moderate Republican when the rubber hits the road and the word comes down from on high, they have to toe the line or leave. Several moderates just packed up and left. Collins obviously has decided to toe the party line and stay.
This is why I WILL NOT vote for Republican, no matter how moderate or how qualified they may be. It's not them, it's the party and I cannot take that risk.
Shame on you Republicans. Susan Rice is a career diplomat and highly qualified for her position. Shame on you for wrongfully dragging her through the mud over a non-issue. Don't we have more important issues to be dealing with?
McCain's trying to keep his name out there, and since he isn't in line to lead any committees, he's trying to create one on Benghazi for himself. Graham's up for re-election, and is trying to impress his constituency. That's their only interest in this.
your kidding right!
Republicans do nothing that doesn't benefit themselves.
elliot,
Same question for you; Is Romney the most qualified person the GOP could find for THAT job???
Rice is likely going to be the new Secretary of State. You Teabaggers need to get used to letting QUALIFIED people pull our country out of the mess created by YOUR lame party's selfish acts....
The opposition to Rice is nothing more than a thinly disguised attempt to get Senator John Kerry nominated as Secretary of State, thus vacating his Senate seat. They hope to fill that Senate seat with Republican, Scott Brown, who was defeated in this years election by a Democrat, Elizabeth Warren....
Keep up the good work, McCain and company! Keep up the obstruction, John Boehner! Keep ignoring the truth about why your out-dated politics LOST in a LANDSLIDE. Keep ignoring the fact that Democrats got more votes for the House of Representative seats this election. It will be a pleasure to see the rest of your greedy majority gone in 2 years, THEN we can see some progress....
@Danna
Her kidding what?
Very simple solution..... vote them out of office. McCain, Graham, Collins, Ayote, McConnell. Congress has a bigger issue to deal with than this Benghazi attacks like the fiscal cliff mess they made. No intent to disrespect the deaths of Americans and Egyptians on Benghazi.
Maybe this is their way of stalling discussions of the fiscal cliff, which is very bad tactics.
Susan Rice is a certified liar. Saying Al Queda was "decimated" in numerous interviews, that is a LIE. They are stronger than ever in several middle eastern countries. Benghazi was just another lie, she knew damn well that "video" was not the reason, and by saying so she is culpable, period. Maybe her intelligence was wrong that was given to her, but she damn sure knew it wasn't that "video". We can do a lot better than Ms. Rice.
I think we need to keep in mind - an international poll regarding the respect held towards nations found the USA at near the bottom by the end of the Bush administration (see pew research polling - the USA's favorable rating fell from around 80% to around 40% among our allies).
Susan Rice has been the face of America at the UN for the last 4 years, as America's favorability rating has been restored to pre-Bush levels. The rest of the world loves Susan Rice. That is the most important factor, since the Secretary of State is more a facilitator than a guider.
The people who oppose Rice do so only for political gain, not out of any honest concern for America's position in the world. And that is despicable. Especially since the number one arguement against her, that she "lied", is itself untrue.
Condoleeza Rice testified before the senate and said that "Al Queda is 75% destroyed." Senator Feinstein asked "75% of what? Of 100? Of 10,000?" Rice said she didn't know. She was just repeating what she had been told. No problem for Republicans at the time.
They're never going to learn. We are recovering in SPITE of the Greed Only Party, not because of them. If they had their way, they'd create a Plutocracy, with only the wealthiest citizens having any benefits.
All these people who think they're supporting the RepubliCONs because of their "conservative" policies, like "family values", "ethics", "fiscal responsibility" are completely clueless, fooled by the wealthy oligarchs who desperately want to rule this country and to HELL with anyone who opposes them.
This is obstructionism, plain and simple, and all being done for one reason, and one reason only. Randy nailed it right on the head: They want to get Senator John Kerry nominated as Secretary of State, thus vacating his Senate seat. They hope to fill that Senate seat with Republican.
They're maneuvering. They're manipulating. They're conniving.
And these are the people some of you want in charge?
For those of you who are drinking the Fox kool-aid, you don't know a damn thing about "socialism". You're just regurgitating a label that you were brainwashed into thinking was bad. Thomas Jefferson, James Adams, James Madison and Samuel Adams were ALL socialists by today's standards.
Your name-calling of the President of the United States is treason, and you should have your citizenship revoked and be deported.
If Natalie Mains could be threatened with having her citizenship revoked for saying she was embarrassed that Dubya was from the same state as she, then you can get the same treatment for your childish and anti-American diatribes.
How any of you can claim to love America, when you clearly hate the average American is a mystery. If you don't like this country, then GET OUT.
JCB #s: "Susan Rice is a certified liar. Saying Al Queda was 'decimated' in numerous interviews, that is a LIE.
dictionary.com: dec·i·mate
/ˈdɛs əˌmeɪt/ Show Spelled [des-uh-meyt] Show IPA
verb (used with object), dec·i·mat·ed, dec·i·mat·ing.
1.
to destroy a great number or proportion of: The population was decimated by a plague.
2.
to select by lot and kill every tenth person of.
3.
Obsolete . to take a tenth of or from.
cnn.com article: "And Now, Only One Senior Al Qaeda Leader Left"
The news that Abu Yahya al-Libi, the No.2 leader of al Qaeda, is now confirmed to have been killed in a CIA drone strike in Pakistan's tribal region along the border with Afghanistan further underlines that the terrorist group that launched the 9/11 attacks is now more or less out of business.
Under President Barack Obama, CIA drone strikes have killed 15 of the most important players in al Qaeda, according to a count maintained by the New America Foundation (a nonpartisan think tank where I am a director).
As a result, according to senior U.S. counterterrorism officials, there now remains only one leader of any consequence in al Qaeda and that is Ayman al-Zawahiri, the tetchy Egyptian surgeon who became the head of the group following the death of its founder, Osama bin Laden, in a U.S. Navy SEAL raid in Pakistan in May 2011.
Me: If that doesn't mean decimated I don't know what does.
Speaking of liars, bush/cheney lied a verified 935 times going into their Iraq Abortion. They also outed a spy. Did I mention it was one of OUR spies? But that is ok with you party over country republicons.
Study: Bush, aides made 935 false statements in run-up to war - CNN
Let us not forget that the Republican controlled House decimated the budgets for the diplomatic outposts that they are complaining were not guarded adequately.
So, this outraged outcry from the right is purely political. It is a strategy that will not work. Obama will not appoint a sitting Democratic Senator, and risk losing the seat.
Once Harry Reid has modified the filibuster rule, the Republicans will have to put up or shut up.
The GOP is toast.
This is not for JCB-lotsanumbers. This is for those who may actually believe she knows what she is talking about.
Yesterday, noncoms was good enough to put up the transcript of Ambassador Rice's statement. What Ambassador Rice presented is fact and that was confirmed by the intelligence agencies who provided her with that information. JCB would have you believe otherwise. You see, JCB knows that the intelligence agencies are also lying, right along with Ambassador Rice.
JCB also foolishly writes that Ambassador Rice lied about al Qaeda being decimated. Folks, a pack of terrorists operating without a leader, operating without direction is decimated. Want more? The number one guy is dead. The number two guy is dead. Number three? Well, as fast as they step into the number three position they get dead.
When JCB tells us she knows what Susan Rice knew, it should give you pause, because clearly she had to be out of her mind to be in Ambassador Rice's.
This is such CRAP about the Republicans wanting John Kerry as Secretary of State. The ONLY reason they do is they are hoping that Scott Brown gets his senate seat. They truly could care less who is the right person for the job. If they did, they would support Rice.
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Well, well ,,, that is just really charming that you "like" Susan Rice,,,,,,
,,,,,, but she is not going to be secretary of state.
She threw away her credibility through nativity, lies, ignorance, or simply pushing a political agenda with complete disregard for the facts.
Either way , she does not merit an important position like Secretary Of State after proving in such a public way what a hack she is.
Good bye Susan !
Susan Rice would be fine. She has always had to walk a tight rope. It's her job. She has done it well.
John Kerry best as Defense Secretary. Been there, done that.
I want to see Hillary on the Supreme Court. Brilliant woman.
Close the Fed, a big thumbs up to you.
But, we shouldn't stop there. We need to know the truth about Bengahzi.
The families of those who died, if not the entire country, deserve to know what Obama knew, and when he knew it.
To..Ido"""
#2.3
So much for repub witchhunts ....this goes under the radar
The Solyndra investigation comes up empty.
http://prospect.org/article/obama-administration-oddly-scandal-free
By Reuters
Rep. Issa: No evidence of White House cover-up in 'Fast and Furious' gun-running case
June 24, 2012
WASHINGTON -- The congressman heading an investigation into a botched gun-trafficking case said on Sunday he had no evidence the White House was involved in a cover-up about the operation or in providing misleading information to Congress.
http://nbcpolitics.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/06/24/12384435-rep-issa-no-evidence-of-white-house-cover-up-in-fast-and-furious-gun-running-case?lite
I know you folks like facts, sure you do. Here's a CNN fact check on Al Qaeda's so called decimation, being spilled by Ms. Rice recently, read it and weep fools.
"Al Qaeda's core leadership has been seriously weakened, but the affiliates remain active, particularly in Yemen and North Africa, where the threat to Western interests and plotting against the homeland remain strong. Romney's claim that al Qaeda is in 10 to 12 countries is in the ballpark, and the administration would seem to agree that poses an enormous threat"
Complete coverage: CNN Fact Checks
boy, the truth hurts doesn't it? Just because an Army loses a few Generals doesn't mean a damn thing, this group is growing, and that is a FACT!!! Hey, Dave put that in your pipe pal.
Close the Fed: "She threw away her credibility through nativity..."
I had no idea Ms. Rice attended the birth of Jesus of Nazareth. ;-)
Skip said (ref. post #2.6 above) "Shame on you for wrongfully dragging her through the mud over a non-issue."
How is the death of a US Ambassidor and three other loyal Americans and the subsequent cover-up a "Non-issue"? Particularly when one is being considered for such an important position as SOS? You are obviously so brain washed with the current Progressive Liberals, like so many others, that the deaths mean absolutely nothing to you. How truly sad our country has become.
MGates quote "The news that Abu Yahya al-Libi, the No.2 leader of al Qaeda, is now confirmed to have been killed in a CIA drone strike in Pakistan's tribal region along the border with Afghanistan further underlines that the terrorist group that launched the 9/11 attacks is now more or less out of business"
Seems CNN disagrees with you Gates.
"Al Qaeda's core leadership has been seriously weakened, but the affiliates remain active, particularly in Yemen and North Africa, where the threat to Western interests and plotting against the homeland remain strong. Romney's claim that al Qaeda is in 10 to 12 countries is in the ballpark, and the administration would seem to agree that poses an enormous threat"
Complete coverage: CNN Fact Checks
Are we supposed to believe you and your BS or CNN fact check Gates??
JCB #s, I can't find that article anywhere on the cnn website, would you post a link?
Wow, the Republicans in Congress seem somehow to have missed the message sent to them by the American people in the November election. The majority has reconfirmed their support of President Obama for another four years.
The Constitutional process is that the President nominates, and the Senate provides advice and consent; not placing a nomination "on hold" for the purpose of preventing an up or down vote on the nominee in the US Senate!
A US Senator who would place a "hold" on a Presidential nominee -- rather than following the Constitutional process of offering his/her advice and then voting yea or nay -- does not deserve to sit in the US Senate! Rather, that US Senator belongs in a 'time-out facing the corner", ...under parental supervision.
It's as simple as that, members of Congress. By all means fight the good fight, and make your positions known. That is why you were sent to Congress. But then you need to vote. If you instead decide to fight dirty and just stop, block the entire process, and damage the interests of the country just to get your own way ( or to avoid losing face by backing down from your ill-advised earlier statements and behaviors ) rather than recognizing "you are just 1 vote of 100 votes" ... then you are no different from the a petulant child on the playground who rather than play the game as one member of a team ...would rather just take the ball and go home!
You folks are making complete fools of yourselves; even the registered Republicans among my family members and friends say so. But more important than your personal image in the eyes of Americans ... you are embarrassing our country. You need to stop doing that, and GROW UP!
There is important work to do -- work which you are supposed to do in exchange for your salaries and benefits. Get to it. It's not "all about you." You are elected to be "tools of Democracy"; ... but don't confuse that with acting "acting like tools!"
Well it's funny that you should say that because I found that article on cnn.com. You can easily search the title which I included in my last post which is more than you've done. Is that just BS or what? I'm sure Al Qaeda is still active and all of it's living actors but when leaders of groups like this go down they become desperate to hold onto their title and their purpose but it's disorganized as long as we keep killing their leaders. They will always find a new leader (duh) but an organization needs a leader to be affective.
I can't believe some of the comments I have seen here. It's politics, folks! Rice stuck to the party line of no such thing as al-Queda. She is not independant enough for the position. Obviously it got to Hillary Clinton, so she's out of there. Has nobody noticed how closed mouth and uncomfortable Clinton has been? I think everyone was told what to say, and they didn't like it.
Benghazi was a complete breakdown in common sense, from leaving our consulate hanging in the wind to censoring the information to America, and we might never know who pulled the al-Queda references from the intel. Same goes for Fast and Furious.
It makes me sick that everytime ANYONE asks questions they are accused of being racist or anti-female. There is always something run up the flag pole to distract the public from the mistakes and worse. Quit clouding the issues and ANSWER THE QUESTIONS.
notayuppie, Clinton is probably running for President in 2016 that's why she's leaving. She made that announcement LONG before the tragedy in Bengahzi. Stop getting all your info from one flawed source.
To..not"""
Can't answer the questions when the questioners are not hearing the answers they want to hear
we've been here before...
@ Robert in Oregon
Bright young man. Join my group and if nothing else, meet some interesting people.
Welcome. Bring some friends. Get off Facebook, let's really be able to talk. No agenda.
Just sharing among us as wide a variety a net as we can cast that we can set.
I can't believe how many people on here are just like the pub bunch.
Don't they understand the concept of SECRET Intel?
Don't they understand that if things are released too soon it could cost more lives. Seems it was a case of tell something quick to get something out there till they could ensure that release of other Intel would not cause immediate copycat attacks in other portions of the world. She was not in a position to decide what to release but was to release what she was told to release, and many of those making the decision on what to release were GOPers......
@ Truett.
I agree. Another smart person. Not easy to find on a daily basis.
Be a friend. You may meet new interesting people. I will send you an invitation.
Bring friends!! It's a virtual party!
Anyone else? Jump on!!
Sorry but Ms. Rice has no credibility. As a 28 year old aid in Bill Clinton’s National Security Council she couldn’t bring herself to acknowledge the term “genocide” to describe events occurring in Rwanda, lest it make Clinton look bad before upcoming midterm elections. Fast forward to September 16, 2012, FIVE days after our ambassador was murdered. She just couldn’t bring herself to acknowledge to us or the world that it was a terrorist attack when everyone with an IQ over 50 new it was. I’m sure the impending presidential election was just a coincidence.
TO: Pigotry who wrote:
Well, I too think the President ought to have whoever he wants on his team, and I'm a hard core "Obama Girl" but in reality if Rice is going to cause months of distraction, then I'd rather the President spend his time working on the millions of Americans who actually need JOBS instead of just one person's "job".
Keep it simple, and just pick someone else. Susan Rice will still have a job in Washington, working in or for the White House.
Let's move on. Forward>>>
1. is an American diplomat
2. former Brookings Institution fellow
3. current United States Ambassador to the United Nations.
4. Rice served on the staff of the National Security Council
5. Rice served as Assistant Secretary of State for African Affairs during President Bill Clinton's second term
6. Valedictorian at National Cathedral School in Washington, D.C
7. Rice attended Stanford University, where she received a Truman Scholarship, and graduated with a B.A. in history in 1986
8. Awarded a Rhodes Scholarship, Rice attended New College, Oxford, where she earned a M.Phi. in 1988 and D.Phil. in 1990
9.The Chatham House-British International Studies Association honored her dissertation entitled, "Commonwealth Initiative in Zimbabwe, 1979-1980: Implication for International Peacekeeping" as the UK's most distinguished in international relations.
10. Rice's classmates and professors OF Oxford included advocates of the role of the United Nations and international law (Sir Adam Roberts, Benedict Kingsbury), of global economic governance and international economic cooperation (Ngaire Woods, Donald Markwell), and of a firm stance against Russian authoritarianism (Michael McFaul).
11. Rice served in the Clinton administration in various capacities. With only 18 months' experience in the workplace as a consultant for McKinsey, she was given senior jobs at the National Security Council from 1993 to 1997; first as Director for International Organizations and Peacekeeping from 1993 to 1995 and then, with only three and a half years working after getting her degree from Oxford and having never worked in Africa or had any prior work experience on the continent, she was promoted to become Special Assistant to the President and Senior Director for African Affairs from 1995 to 1997.
12. Rice was managing director and principal at Intellibridge from 2001 to 2002.
13. In 2002, she joined the Brookings Institution as senior fellow in the Foreign Policy program. At Brookings, she focused on U.S. foreign policy, weak and failing states, the implications of global poverty, and transnational threats to security.
14. During the 2004 presidential campaign, Rice served as a foreign policy adviser to John Kerry
15. Rice went on leave from the Brookings Institution to serve as a senior foreign policy advisor to Senator Barack Obama in his 2008 presidential campaign.
16.On November 5, 2008, Rice was named to the advisory board of the Obama-Biden Transition Project.
ANY QUESTIONS? BTW what qualified Sarah Palin to be VP?
Confussed:
Once again you are "confused".
Nothing written by you has any logic or meaning---but what is written, is mean spirited---
Try again; I'd like to really understand what is written, to be conveyed to all commenters in a sensible manner.
Thank you---
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Good morning MGates,,,,,,
,,,,,thanks for the note. Well put ! (Not much naivete in the nativity ;)
(R) Senetor Collins campaigned for Scott Brown the last week before the election.
Go figure.
Also McCain & Gram are on video in 2001 & 2002 talking about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq.
While praising Condellesa Rice for promoting the lie of WMD's and arguing why she should be Secretary of State. Amazingly Hypocritical human beings.
Attacking her is the most dumbest thing anyone could do and you can't claim you are serious about the incident because she is not the one who sets the policy or in charge of the CIA's information.
Remember back when Bush was president and the Marines barracks was attacked, I forgot how many soldiers were killed but it was a lot more than 4, not one democrat pointed a finger at republicans and accused them of treason for letting our brave soldiers get killed, democrats worked with republicans to bring the people responsible to justice.
Nobody accused the UN ambassordor of lying even through the first report was not completely accurate. The same thing happened with Susan Rice, the only difference is, Bush was president so the lives of a few hundred marines is not as important as the 4 people that were killed on President Obama's watch.
This republican witch-hunt is not about the lives lost, it is only about if the republicans can get President Obama to name Kerry as Secretary of State so they can grab his seat.
Everything else republicans are doing is just window dressing.
When will Republicans learn? Obama probably wasn't going to nominate her, but now, why not? Another opportunity to spank the Republicans, they are a gift that keeps giving.
He will not spend the Political Capitol.
I dislike the man's policies and politics but I have never viewed him as being dumb and at this point it would be dumb.
He knows his massive movement forward with the Progressive agenda is done, he now has to repair fences for the next Democratic candidate for the office to have a decent footing to begin the work of maintaining a Democratic legacy of more than 2 consecutive terms.
YOu dislike his policies because of ideology, even though his policies will benefit you and your family. Do you make 250,000 dollars a year?? I wonder. Americans like you keep voting against their own interest
ebobaya,
Can you say in any way how his policies benefit people? Or are you just another Obamabot.
Republicans are for the rich, tax them all, give me more, more. You are what is destroying our country ebobaya. An ignorant person who beliefs in myths over facts.
Obama nominating Rice just gives the GOP more rope to hang themselves with. They have no credible reason for disapproving of her, and Obama knows it. He'll nominate her, the GOP will make fools out of themselves trying to block her appointment, and she'll be the next SOS anyway.
GOP
The Greedy Obstructionists' Party
Rice meets with these 3 quacks for an hour without any requirement that they do so, and these clods leave, saying the meeting left them with more questions or more disturbed than they were before. This is a tempest in a teapot if ever there was one. Maddow's probably right--mendacious Republicans seeking to force Obama to appoint Kerry as secretary of state so Scott Brown can run for the Senate seat vacated by Kerry.
And Boehner's returning to what he's been for almost 4 years--chief of the relentless warriors for the wealthy--after suggesting he might be more flexible.
Republicans all standing in the way of progress because they care less about America's welfare than their own defeated propaganda.
Too bad these clowns couldn't come up with a half way decent jobs bill or concentrate on the fiscal cliff tax issues! Nope, always going after the easy stuff like fingerpointing! Hang on everyone, this ride is about to get real rough!
Nah, Boehner and co. care about jobs. Remember in 2010 they won on that mantra he kept repeating? 'jobs, jobs, jobs'
And what did they do? Filibuster numerous jobs bills, veterans bills, healthcare for 9/11 responders, etc etc etc.
But they did put up some stupid abortion bills that have absolutely nothing to do with anyone's jobs but their own....
@MrBurns
No you are the one who is destroying America.
The rich have enjoyed 12 years of government hand outs and they have continued to get richer even when the economy crashed. And the pay people like your senator to put things in the tax code to benifit them.
Do you have that kind of pull? My guess is HELL NO YOU DON"T
stupid
go home can come back with some real info instead of fuax lies.
MrBurns, ebobaya and solutions is right, it is you and all the people like you that believe every lie republicans say and refuse to believe the people fighting them on your behalf.
All those years of republican rule, the rich were given everything they asked for, instead of creating millions of jobs, they gave us the worst recession this country has ever seen, you and people like you know what they did yet you argue like hell to give them another chance to do it again.
All of the money and food stamps given to the poor is just a drop in the bucket compared to the billions given by republicans to the already rich.
The majority of American voters don't trust any republican, but as long as they still have idiots like you that believe them, they will continue to run their deadly schemes.
Republicans think Susan Rice is not independent enough of the White House. What a joke. Condi Rice LIED to the Americans in many ways: about what she knew (and didn't) before the Sept. 2001 strikes on New York and Washington, and then again about so-called WMD in Iraq, claiming there would be a mushroom cloud if we did not act. And she was a compelete lap dog as NSC adviser and Secretary of State for George W. Bush.
Yet no Republican has ever said she should be held accountable for the two wars and thousands of death of American soldiers. Hypocritical is the nicest adjective I would apply to those Republicans now attacking Ms Rice. Let's face it, the Republicans have yet to recognize they have been rejected by the American people of on the domestic and foreign affairs front, and the likes of McCain and Graham have seen better days.
Nice deflection. By your logic since someone got away with murder a long time ago, we can no longer charge people with murder, That would just be hypocritical right?
What do u think Susan Rice did wrong? If you want to blame any one, blame the CIA. But you republicans don't want to blame the CIA because your hero David Petreaus was the director when the attack in Benghazi happened. You want to blame Susan Rice because you think she is an easy target.
elliott..so what you are saying is that becouse it happened "a long time ago" it was OK to lie to the American people( and it was an out and out lie)even tho it cost 5000 american lives? I think if the GOP wants to go a witch hunt over Rice, maybe the Dems should do the same with the other Rice.
Allowing the same people who got away with murder to charge others with it would be.
And nice of you to admit the Republicans were completely guilty of genocidal mass killing. It's about time someone did.
The question is, where was the republican outrage then? The intelligence was was cherry-picked to go to war. Their pretend outrage at this but not that shows that for them, this is all about scoring political points and embarrasing the administration.
The "outrage" then was placed solely on the shoulders of those that flew OUR planes into buildings and fields, killing innocent Americans. Do not even try to show contempt now for those actions by pretending you didn't want the same justice passed. No one cared about WMD at the time. Americans wanted justice. BOTH republicans AND democrats. Otherwise, WE as a country would not have gone into a war voted on by BOTH parties in Washington. That is not a question to be answered solely by republicans, so don't sit there and type like all democrats were against the advance of war in 2001.
WOW The Grand obstructionist party really want John Kerrys Senate Seat eh? Any person that President Obama nominates for Secretary of state and for that matter any other post will not win unless its Kerry.
let me add one more thing. If Obama nominated Kerry for say, defense secretary, I suspect that, overnight, opposition to Rice being Secretary of State will vanish.
"You know I have a few questions for those Republicans, or should I say Teaparty!"
1. Why are you so hung up on Rice, oh maybe because of she extremely intelligent, she probably has more intelligence than all 3 of you put together.
2. Is it maybe because McCain will not have another committee to be on that is news worthy?
3. McCain are you still so bitter because of your loss in 2008?
4. Graham & Ayotte are you just another puppet for the Teaparty agenda?
5. McCain, Graham & Ayotte instead of going after Rice why don't you focus your time on tax cuts for the middle class, and the deficit, sounds like to me this is a whole lot more important, you need to get your priorities straight.
Time to move forward, not backwards!
You guys are going to have to excuse me for this because it's offensive to those who actually suffer from it. But I have to say it.
The Republicans are going to lose again in 2014 and it's because they simply cannot stop being retarded.
It's quite amazing to watch really. They just don't learn.
Holly the President and no one in his administration has lied at all. You are watching too much fox news.
Let's take the possible lying out of this. Does anybody think this situation was handled correctly by Rice or Obama?
NO
And the Savior Barrack Osama has solved the debt crisis too!!! You libs are pathetic!!!!!
NO !!!
I agree take the lying off the table, let's talk about competency to do the job she may get.
Then again how many people died in Iraq? How many Marines were killed in Beirut? How many hostages were kidnapped in Iran? This has happened before in past Presidents, yet they are scandals? How is Benghazi different? Is Fox News telling something that other networks aren't?
Look I voted for Obama in 08 and I hoped and wanted to believe in change. Nothing has changed. I don't understand what citing other horrible events has to do with this horrible event. Repeating mistakes is the ultimate mistake. I don't think Fox news is any more biased than MSNBC. They are both 100% biased. Claiming that someone else made mistakes does not in any way make what happened ok. Strange way to rationalize your sheepish trust in the current powers that be. "I support this criminal bcs others before him were criminal", is an absurd argument
The Republicans lie, cheat and steal, get away with it, then take the Democrats to task for much more insignificant behavior. And people like you keep letting them do it.
Susan Rice was a good political soldier. Of course they wanted to sugar coat it before the election. Should this disqualify her to be SS? I don't think so but it's not a plus. Judge her on her work. Has she done outstanding work in protecting US interests? I don't know because no one is talking about real accomplishments. The fact that she is a young black woman should not give her a free pass.
Nor make her a target like Obama and Holder.
This is much different...
The difference that sticks out in my mind Eric.... is the fact that Benghazi was viewed live in real time by this administration..... And then they LIED about what was going on to the American people for nearly 2 weeks about the truth of the situation. Yep they all knew damn good and well what the truth of the matter was, cause they watched it via live feed from more than one drone above the target area....yet for some reason...(POLITICAL) they proceeded to LIE about what they witnessed! That my friend makes this very different than any of your stated examples. But by all means keep drawing straws and protecting the adminstration....afterall, that seems to be all the left knows these days!
Too smart 2424032 - why is the national debt now a "crisis" when it never was during any GOP administration. LBJ started the current trend of deficit spending and the Great Lord Ronny made it popular. Now this guy has four years to straighten out 50 years of irresponsible political behavior, while faced with two extremely costly wars (intiated by the GOP) and a financial collapse (also not of his doing).
The day Obama was elected, The Onion ran the headline "Black man gets worst job in country." They were right.
John, the answer is, it was an issue then too, but not as much due to the health of the economy and the ratio of GDP to debt. 4years later the dept is nearly 50% higher and GDP is lower, thats what makes it a bonified crisis. Reagan increased tax revenue, this is fact. Democrats opened the checkbook and spent it at a faster rate than the increasing revenue coming in, this is a fact. With regard to Obama, no one was expecting him to erase 50 years of deficit spending in his 1st term, but he's doubled down on more of it, oblivious to the danger.
There's a disturbing trend going on in this country and I certainly do not expect it to change, at least for the next 4 years. During this last election, I made an interesting discovery. When the story broke about the Benghazi cover up, I called my sister in Iowa. We do not share political beliefs, but agree to disagree. While I had just watched live coverage of the initial Benghazi hearings that were taking place in DC, my sister had absolutely no idea what I was talking about! (she is BTW, an intelligent, college educated woman) Out of curiosity, I asked her to do some channel searching to see if the story was on her news anywhere. It was not. Over the next few days, I did a lot of channel surfing myself and discovered that the stories I was watching on Fox News, were not even on the radar on any other news station. Nor were they on my MSN home page! (Go figure!) OK, so you tell me - what's wrong with this picture. The bleeding heart leftist liberals continually WHINE WHINE WHINE about Fox News, however, they never seem to quite make it to Fox to check out if they are possibly missing important details. I, on the other hand, regularly watch other news stations for a more BALANCED assessment of what's going on in the world. For those who paint "Fox News" as their stat unreliable source for news, I've come to one conclusion - liberalism is a form of mental illness! Clearly, if you have any brain capable of logical thinking, you would understand by now, news reporting has become complete, editorialized BS used for the purpose of promoting an agenda. (Think Hitler and his takeover of the media) Been on this planet a few years and can't remember a time when I felt such overwhelming disgust regarding what is happening in this country. Lying and corruption has become so commonplace that it's considered the norm. The viciousness of the far left is palpable in every form of media as they continue to "sell" their agenda. Accountability isn't even in their dictionary! If this continues, this nation is doomed, but many of us already know that.
Justanotherveteran - the attack was NOT watched "in real time". There was a single person monitoring communications - AUDIO communications - at the time. It took TEN DAYS for security video of the attacks to reach us so that ANY visual could be seen/reviewed. Stop listening to the Conservative conspiracy theorists.
Fox News isn't news. It's entertainment. Too many people depend on Fox for their information. If this continues, this nation is doomed, but many of us already know that.
Cat - your a fool if you really believe what you just wrote... Where was the Audio coming from....some spook with a listening device across the street? I highly doubt that any credible audio was obtained if any from the actual attacks....other that the phone calls and secure comms that were being sent from the embassy begging for some help and a QRF to respond. However, those drones flying "IN REAL TIME" over the target area... as the attack was taking place, Now those things are equiped with these things called High Def Cameras...that could count the hairs on your a$$ from an undisclosed altitude. Oh and yes, they are equipped with a live feed from those cameras. And it was piped out to more high level viewers than you or I will ever know about! So keep believing that crap you talk.... the rest of us, including myself that have witnessed "live feeds" from drones in real time, we know what the scoop is! They watched it.... they did nothing.... and they LIED! If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck.... just do us a favor and call it a duck!
Ganguskhan, post #5.1 and #5.6 above,
Let's take the possible lying out of this. Does anybody think this situation was handled correctly by Rice or Obama? and, Claiming that someone else made mistakes does not in any way make what happened ok. Strange way to rationalize your sheepish trust in the current powers that be. "I support this criminal bcs others before him were criminal", is an absurd argument
Well said. Unfortunately your logic is falling on many a Liberal deaf (and dumb) ear. They are only interested in deflecting, dodging and worshipping the messiah.
Kathy, so glad to hear at least one member of your family is an intelligent, college educated individual. It might behoove you to pry yourself away from Faux News spews long enough to register for night classes at your local junior college. Since President Obama will be in office for another 4 yrs and a month, you can probably qualify for low-interest student loans. Meanwhile would you like a box of tissues and/or some cheese with that whine?
no coverup
BS!!!!!
The campaign "talking points" were that Al Qaeda was on the way down. By allowing the story to come out that an Al Qaeda affiliate was responsible for planning and carrying out this attack, would refute the talking points, thereby deflating his "credentials and success" in foreign policy.
Therefore, coverup and stall until after the election. Pretty simple really.
As to Rice becoming S o S, Obama screwed up. He used Rice to further his lie, was caught, so now Rice has to pay. She took one for the team going on the tv shows to lie. Now its time to pay.
That was not a lie. The intel community sent her those talking points that were unclassified. She didn't lie at all. Stop WATCHING FOX NEWS and get back to reality. There's bigger issues than pointing the finger at Susan Rice. Why not point it at Clinton, for there was no security available. Why not point the finger at the intel community? Rice shouldn't take the fall.
Pay for what?? Go blame David Petreaus (the CIA director) for what happened in Libya. Did u blame Bush for 9-11? What about Condi Rice who lied about weapons of mass destruction in Irak? Are u concerned about the death of Americans?? How many US service men and women have died in Irak and Afghanistan? Do u have any clue??
The election is over and you GOP are still mourning. Go and block a qualified minority woman and you will get the results in the next election.
It is probably because of some people's inability to distinguish between the various forms that al Queda is taking that they avoiding mentioning them. Al Queda central (Bin Laden, et. al.) are degraded to the point of being pretty much irrelevant. Then, there are satellite Al Queda groups like Al Queda in Iraq (gone) and al Queda in the Arabian Peninsula (still a pest but not taking direction from Al Queda central).
And finally, there are al Queda wannabees and imitators like we find in Libya. These are really just isolated extremist terror elements not affiliated with al Queda except in name only. The fact that low information types like Fox news can't tell the difference led the intelligence community to release the information originally as "there may have been extremists elements involved."
Susan Rice told no lies. She clearly stated she was speaking of early information that was subject to investigation. The spontaneous protest remark was made in the context of the event may have been sparked in reaction to the protest in Egypt, which were in reaction to that horrible film. And her remarks were made after the event was over, so no one can say that anyone died as a result of her remarks
How can anyone expect someone to remember what happened in 1998? I mean, seriously....that was 14-15 years ago!! She can't be expected to immediately remember without going back and reviewing what happened. Boy, Republicans are surely looking for something to be bugged about....there are more important things to be dealing with, McCain, like the budget and the fiscal cliff!! Get off Ms. Rice's case and get back to work on important things!!
Didi... republicans are just doing what they do best. Lie, motivate their lackeys to support their oligarchic cause, try to drum up another war and make a hero out of an old whacked out nut job. Good thing they aren't smart enough to notice the majority of us aren't falling for their hypocrisy any longer. The downer is, we should've cleaned house 3 weeks ago whenever we had the chance but there's always 2014 and I suspect they are going to have real cause for their outrage then. They won't have to fake that one.
Well! Corker R-Tenn is the first Republican to actually articulate a valid reason for opposition. The independence angle is one I can see as something valid to explore.
As for the rest of the hysteria. Obviously tinfoil hats allowed the wearers to have secret spy satellite feeds directly conducted to their brains where they then privileged recipients of perfect knowledge not avail to anyone else and were able to instantly see through the large number of protests around the Middle East as orchestrated cover for an attack to be carried out in a country with no working internal security. Then again, there are a lot of countries around the world with no real working internal security, so we dearly hope the tinfoil brigade will foresee any future attack and provide instant and effective warning.
No, the independence line isn't any angle. The S o S is the President's representative. The sec is to promote the President's agenda, not have an agenda of their own.
This is crazy. Why do u want the secretary of state to be independent when he or she is representing the administration and the American people. You are not serious. You do not understand any thing.
Really? So the guy who was the Dems choice for President in 2004, and almost won, is somehow LESS affiliated with the Dems than Rice? How does that make any sense at all?
Justin, great point... but you know what I and everyone else here knows. It's not about Susan Rice or her qualifications. It's about John Kerry's senate seat. The shallow rethugs are still reeling from the election and they want another shot at trying to reclaim some semblance of power in the senate. Without that, how can they hope to repeal or modify Obamacare? They should be concerned about the house. Because with the low approval ratings of their majority held obstructionist Congress... it's just a matter of time before the 2014 elections take care of that and leave them with very little say so.
I would go by what Senator Corker suggests unless he is head over heels for Kerry. I think Republicans want Kerry for one reason and that is to have another shot at gaining his seat in Massachusetts.
That's what i'm starting to suspect as well.
That's precisely what they are up to... the Repubs want John Kerry as Secy of State so that his Senate seat will be up for grabs. These guys are nothing if not scheming and calculating.. when they're waving their right hand, check to see what the left hand is doing.
There will NEVER be any explanation that will satisfy them, because that's not what they really want. Next time (yes, there will be a next time), there should be NO attempt at explanation until all the facts can be safely released, after the bad guys are caught. And Faux News will be screaming about that, too.
That's the real reason for them opposing Susan Rice. Obama should not fall for that. He should nominate Susan Rice because she is well qualified
thats exactly why they want Kerry. The rest of this is just a witch hunt.
So, you don't think the Democrats could win Kerry's seat back if he was offered the position? Not being a wise ass, just want to know. As Vadar might say, "I find your lack of faith disturbing". I mean, really, you think the Rebuplicans would be able to take over that seat that easily? Personally, I don't care which one, Rice or Kerry, gets the SOS position; whoever it is will follow orders and that's that. One may question those orders a bit more than the other, but they'll still be carried out.
I'd rather have Rice, who we know is Obama's foil, than that sorry excuse for a veteran Kerry, who we know is a "wait and see what happens", no action, type of leader(?).
Rice at least has experience in the region that appears to be the "hotbed" right now. Kerry, on the other hand, made an unauthorized visit to the NVA in Paris DURING the Viet Nam War. Loose cannon or just a sneaky back door socialist sympathizer?
I don't know about any of you folks, but I lost buddies I went to high school with in those stinking jungles. I do not want to see that medal returning, back stabbing, SOB of a lame excuse for a vet as the SOS for US.
The Republicans continue to search for some reason to oppose Susan Rice for Secretary of State. There is no comparison between security at an Embassy - as Senator Collins was discussing - and security at a consulate like the one in Benghazi. And Senator Collins has to reach back to 1998? I am surprised that Senator Collins is taking this stance.
Throw out the political garbage and just ask a simple question. Why did no help come during a 7 hour attack? Why? Makes no sense regardless of party. If your son was killed during a home invasion robbery and he called 9-1-1 7 hours ago without help, what would family members say about the police force? This was criminal folks and it's not going to go away despite what some hope.
The attack began at 4 sometime after 7 the rescue was in play and by 9:30 all 33 Americans had been extracted losing two KIA on the roof from mortar fire.. The entire episode is chronicled 7 ways fro Sunday virtually nothing that the theorist are screaming about actually happened. See if Fox will let you have you brains back for half an hour and enlighten yourselves.
Clark, my brain bleeds for your pathetic ignorance and info that nobody except yourself including Dem are stating. Are you watching some movie and having a stroke?
@gan
Provide a counterpoint with details or GTFO.
My counter point is it's funny that you and sdc.clarck seem to think you know what happened when your president still claims to not know. I don't know either but I sure have a lot of questions. Why no questions for you? Blind allegiance? Sounds like North Korea
One more thing to sdc.clarke. If I was to believe your version of the story the Ambassador would have been the last one to leave the facility. That's flat laughable as he would have been the first.
Of course the Repubs are all for John Kerry as Sec of State. They see that as a pretty good shot to pick up a senate seat since Scott Brown (who was defeated this past election by a thin margin) would stand a pretty good chance to win back a senate seat and increase their numbers. Politics never cease to amaze me.
The cat is out of the bag on this one. This is their whole scheme, to get republican Scott Brown into the senate by him winning the special election to replace John Kerry. I just hope Obama doesn't play along. No offense to Kerry , but Obama should go the mat for Rice. If they filibuster her out, pick someone else but don't play the anti American GOP game.
What would be ultimately funny would be if the legislature in Mass. decided to give the Dem. governor the power to appoint Sen. Kerry's replacement.
THAT would be hilarious.
All of the GOP machinations would go for nothing, except John McCain would have an absolute breakdown.
Obama should nominate Kerry, have him confirmed, then run the most liberal attack dog to replace him. Barney Frank comes to mind, and his fundraising would match the $100 million or so the Republicans are going to spend for Scott Brown.
You are either the Three Stooges or The Three Blind mice, but keep chewing on that one, Kerry will either be Sec of Defense or Sec of State so this fiasco Rice got herself in will have no effect on what happens.
Independent voter here... supporter of Obama here... wondering why John Kerry hasn't already been nominated. No offense to Rice, but Kerry is the clear choice. Even the GOP can see that.
If Obama nominates Kerry so be it. If he nominates Rice so be it. Let him nominate whoever he wishes and they'll go through the confirmation hearings in the Senate. Wait and see.
The reason Obama hasn't nominated Kerry (or anybody yet) is Clinton is still Sec of State.
President Obama won the election and will get to appoint anyone he sees fit. Same with the Senate, the GOP is the minority and doesn't have a good reason to not approve Rice if she is nominated. If the CIA wants to put out a message of obfuscation of details of a situation to throw the enemy off track, that trumps Fox New's right to know what happened in the first hours of the tragedy.
I have never seen such a railroading job in my life. Scumbags can't get to Obama, so they targeted Rice. Disgusting beyond words.
How ridiculous do these Republicans want to keep looking? The nation has important business to conduct and these folks make a mountain out of a mole hill jupon which they climb in display of stupidity.
Are these good-old-boys in the GOP for real? As fictional Forest Gump quoted his fictional mothers as having said: "Stupid is as stupid does."
So you think this whole scenario went well? No help came. I bet you would sign a different song if it was your brother or son who died after being attacked for 7 hours. They asked for more security. Could you imagine being dropped off in a hostile foreign country with 3 other people. I think most would say yeah right to that suicide mission
Should have been your relatives at Benghazi Sam.
Fredr: maybe your father's child ?
So, gang and Fred, you apparently believe that assigning blame for Benghazi is more important than avoiding the fiscal cliff? Sam isn't saying that the attack was meaningless, just that we as a nation have more important and pressing issues to deal with. You guys must be card-carrying members of the Gerrymandering Obstructionists' Party.
Yes, the fiscal cliff is not going anywhere. Your messiah is not going to save you. We were all lied to and you don't care bcs Obama is black like you and a Dem. Those are your reasons for not caring. I want Ron Paul to end the Federal reserve. Do you know the Fed Res answers to nobody? You can't get out of debt by adding more debt. I want less government across the board. Less Rep. Less Dem. LESS GOV period. Bcs I question Obama I am put into a pigeon hole by Dem. The sad thing is no matter who did this should be questioned but oh no not the Mesiah
Republicans in the Senate and their friends at home remain ridicules and may next try to blame tragic happenings of those that serve in harm’s way on a White House janitor. Wow that ought to really impress those that are intent on doing this nation and its people harm. Meanwhile Democrats will move forward in addressing the real problems that face this nation and let conservatives be expert in not knowing how to get anything done.
Hard to make predictions about this one. For the election I was willing to shave off my beard if Prez Obama lost. However in this situation the Prez is generally not as emotionally driven as hothead McCain is (what a wonderful president he would have made, can you spell D-E-M-E-N-T-I-A? To be fair POW food is not good brain food). Prez Obama will make the right decision. It's what he's really good at.
People keep calling Benghazi a consulate. It was a secret CIA listening post with no security. The two civilians who were killed along with the Ambassador Christopher Stevens, and diplomat Sean Stevens, were former US Navy Seals and CIA contractors. The truth will emerge in time.
looks like mCcain slithered out of his hole long enough to have his picture took!
he LEARNED THIS TRICK in Vietnam LMFAOOOOOO
Let the President nominate who he wants to nominate. If he wants to nominate Susan Rice let him do it. If he wants to nominate Kerry let him do it as well. Don't let one little "incident" on the Sunday talk shows be a reason to disqualify her. Let her go through the confirmation hearings in the Senate and then they'll determine whether or not to confirm her. And the GOP is going at the wrong person for the Benghazi incident. They should be asking Clinton why there wasn't enough security for the consulate. They should ask the intel community why the initial statements changed over time. This shouldn't be about Susan Rice. This shouldn't be a reason for her disqualification as SOS if the POTUS nominates her. They are point their fingers at the wrong person.
Wouldn't that be interesting, Rice testifying under oath where her modified talking points came from? The lie was intentional to minimize the affect to Obama's reelection, can anyone who thinks otherwise provide a plausible reason for "modified" talking points?
Apparently the director of the CIA at the time, Patraous, and the acting director of the CIA have already told the Senate that the CIA changed the talking points.
Keep up with reality, stop getting your "news" from conservative entertainment shows.
No dirp. Not true. They said that they made it clear it was terrorists and somewhere at the WH the talking points were changed. Even then, for two weeks the administration all went out and defended the video gambit. Lots of deflection game playing to cover up the simple fact that they all watched for seven hours in real time and did nothing, then put together the deflection mask an hour later so the Pres could go off to his celeb fundraiser in Vegas and deal with it through his control of the media later. Which is why now the smear is that it was all not important at all and we need to forget about it. Because it is their last out being caught in their own self made pile of crap.
MTX..how about security reasons? How about protecting the assests the CIA had on the ground in Benghazi? The very reasons BOTH the Directer of National Intelligence and the CIA have both cited . Plus both the DNI and the CIA signed off on the talking points as ones that were unclassified and could be disclosed.
No, that is not how it went. You are spouting someones troll reporting. The WH had the truth all along, did nothing, and went out on their little video journey.
There was an old saying back in my old classified days as a joke. If someone tells you something is classified so they cant tell you... it aint a secret anymore.
Or something like that. We need a stop the misdirection and deflection campaign.
Eric, just as a drug bust is never about the guy on the street, you start there and work your way up. It's good Rice is finally spilling her guts.
The
only reason why the Republicans ( Mccain & Graham& Kelly) are bagging
on Rice and favor John Kerry is bc if Kerry is elected in the president’s
cabinet it will leave a spot for Scott Brown to take Massachusetts Seat!!!!
Before you get your vast right wing conspiracies throwing egg on your face, realize that John Kerry has been mentioned for both Sec and Defense and Sec of State. His seat is going to be open no matter what happens with Rice.
Read a newspaper please.
I am sick and tired of the "manufactured outrage" over trivial issues such as this. Rice was speaking based on the CIA intelligence available at the time. We have many more pressing issues to deal with while McCain and other Republicans try to make this a much bigger issue that it really is. I used to like McCain when he was the "Maverick Republican". Now he just comes across as a bitter loser and a very grumpy old man. He should retire.
4 people died, that's "trivial" to you? As Patraeus informed us - it was not what the CIA info said at the time. She was given talking points from someone and together they made the decision to lie to the American people.
Nobody is saying that people dying is trivial. They are saying that semantics and arguments about assigning blame are trivial.
This is nothing more than a game of bait and switch. The Republicans want the President to nominate Senator Kerry for Secretary of State, opening the door for Scott Brown to run for the vacated Massachusetts Senate Seat. The three card monty is not working on the President, and Scott Brown will not get the opportunity to attack another woman for a while. At the end of the day, the Senate will confirm Secretary Rice and the world will continue to spin, out of control, for the Republicans on Capitol Hill. The bigger issue on Capitol Hill is the fact the "Old White Men" are in charge of every committee in the US House of Representatives. I am guessing that the GOP failed to read the memo that outlined what women and minority voters did to them three weeks ago.
Terry, Terry, Terry, Kerry will either be Sec of State or Sec of Defense. At the end of the day you don't read much, do you?
Sorry, just because Kerry has "been mentioned" for those cabinet positions doesn't mean that he's going to be appointed to either. You're jumping the gun a bit.
Was reading a strange article in a Brittish pub that her award winning disertation was most likely written by a hired team from an international think tank, and then turned in as her own. No idea, just ran over the article.
Was it Worldnetdaily?
Ha. No, generally go through educational journals and research publications. My only media fun is here on NBC
Gofigureit
Hummmn. Dissertations usually have two S's. Some source!
ORB... just typing away on a comment page. Don't usually edit or hit the spell check. Not being paid, and not turning it in for a grade.
or thinking
dave-sunny so.cal... to much reefer and sun out there? Thinking just fine here, clear mind and in a state not drowning in social programs kicking old people to the curb in the Silisconey Valley. :-)
Name calling. A great way to make a point, prove you are in middle school.
Why can't the Republicans just grow up? There is work to do.
See, the new dem/lib talking point to move away from the truth. It seems to be making the rounds pretty well.
If she can not get Sen. Collins on her side. Their is deffinatly a problem
I heard that asking the same question and expecting a different answer is the definition of insanity. GOP now stands for Great Obstructionsists Putzes.
I think the problem is that they aren't expecting a different answer, but that they keep getting a new answer, or no answer at all.
you are correct. me being of a suspicious mind and having the need to have all questions answered, this would drive me insane. it is our responsibility to question our leaders and hold their feet to the fire which ever side of the street they live on. unless we are big fans of the pied piper. in this case a simple answer of, as someone else stated above, we will check this out, would have suficed instead of the initial "story" we were told. no national security jeopardized there. just me.....
These Republicans seemed to forget that they gave Gen. Colin Powell misleading information about WMD in Iraq, which he presented to the UN. Right after his presentation to the UN, we engaged in a war that should not have taken place. As for Susan Rice, she was given information by our intelligence dept., which she presented and now she's a big target for the Republican Party. They wonder why they can't get in the White House, I wouldn't follow a Republican across the street, I would be wondering "what is his/her motive". WAKE UP!
You are the one who needs to wake up!
Obama's campaign talking point had the position that Al Qaeda was on the way down. If the story got out that an Al Qaeda affiliate planned this attack, that would discredit Obama and his foreign policy. Hence the coverup and stall.
You honestly believe that the CIA redacted the Al Qaeda reference because of source confidentiality and not pressure from the white House? There were videos of the attack. There was no demonstration that got out of hand. Large weapons were at the scene of the attack from the beginning. How could this ever have NOT been a pre-planned attack?
Stop believing the GOP is just politicing on this and open your eyes!
Skeptical ... you seem to be so sure of what happened during that Benghazi attack, are you there that you can certainly assert that there was no demonstration going out of hand. Terrorist did not took advantage of the situation and staged an attack.
Up to now, there are still heavy weaponry that is in the wrong hands in Egypt. That is the usual consequence after an uprizing. One of the americans who died in Benghazi, is there to get these weapons off the streets and hands of civilians.
skeptical..the actual videos were not recovered till after the FBI got on site 3 weeks later. During the attack there was only audio feed for the first 6 hours. Only during the last hour, after they all left the first compound and went to the second building, was the drone overhead. All thats in the testimony so far. During the audio feed it was being monitored at the State Dept, not at the WH. Again, in the testimony.
JBP Colin Powell's presentation was based on intelligence that proved to be wrong. Rice's presentation was not based on intelligence at all - she was given altered talking points that someone with her level of security had to know were not backed up by intel. She got suckered into being the point person on this fiasco and now she's in up to her eyeballs and now it's destroyed her chance at an appointment to Sec of State.
A little off topic but what the hell. Conservatives don't wonder why they can't get in the White House, they know why they can't. Government cheese eaters now outnumber tax payers. The liberal electorate have successfully voted their way into the treasury and the American tax payers pocket. The same thing happened in Rome, it will all end well I'm sure. When in Rome.......
Have a tissue bobby.
I personally think there are far more important issues for these "key" Republicans to be working on.
The Benghazi four are dead (unfortunately) and we, millions of us, are alive and struggling with our personal financial situations. I want politicians who concentrate on the issues at hand - the fiscal cliff!
Old man McCain, his little helper and their muse should ALL get back to work on this most important issue. Rep Snow needs to do the same!
So the president has time to glad-hand in PA but John McCain needs to get back to work?
kstarr1,
Didn't you get the memo back on the 6th? Liberals sit around eating government cheese and conservatives have been ordered to pay for it. Come on man, sheeesh.
Apparently there are no current problems to solve in this country, Robert. Congress saw no need to cancel their Turkey break, will probably posture for a week or so and then head off for their Santa break. Obama IS Santa and doesn't look interested in doing anything but buying votes with our kids' money. And then the dems will complain that the republicans are preventing them from getting things fixed. Which puts more dems in power for more of the same.... I suppose it will take hitting bottom for anyone to get us back on track. So be it.
Kstarr1, you are quite correct that the GOP continues to run this issue of damaging the reputation of Susan Rice instead of working on the many bills sitting in the House and the Senate, which would easily provide jobs for millions of people. Congress has so many breaks that it is impossible to know when they are working and when they are not. I believe the NOT WORKING wins the prize. Obama does not try to be Santa. If you are really paying attention to what is going on, you would know this. The GOP's besmirching the reputation of Susan Rice is nothing more than a game to try to keep President Obama from nominating her to be Secretary of State. She has years of experience working with State Department issues. She is a Rhodes Scholar (scholarship to attend the world renown Oxford). The Dems are trying to get on with the business of this country while these foolish GOP Senators continue to try to spin something out of nothing.
It is well known by now Benghazi was a CIA operation and McCain must know this. McCain should also know Ambassador Susan Rice's early description of the Benghazi attack was from information supplied to her by the CIA "talking points." I have read at least four news reports detailing this fact and they can be found online.
"CIA Documents Supported Susan Rice's Description Of Benghazi Attacks" from the Washington Post
"CIA Talking Points For Susan Rice Called Benghazi Attack 'Spontaneously Inspired' By Protests" from CBS News
"Official: Changes To Benghazi Talking Points Made By Intel Community" at CNN
"Office Of The DNI Cut 'Al Qaeda' reference from Benghazi talking Points, And CIA, FBI Signed Off" at CBS News
Truth..How can all that be after the Petraeus Testimony... Where he claimed that they knew from the beginning that this was not Spontanaeous. Never reported that it was spontaneous.... So how can a report come from the Cia ...that never existed? Are the dates of those articles before or after the Testinmony on Capital Hill.