There are too many to educate to be able to change party identity. Learning to tolerate diverse ideas is not easy for some.

The conventional wisdom is that Republicans would have done fine had they just been so hostile to Hispanics. It's an easy out for them, allowing them to think that it's a simple matter of marketing...but it isn't.

Republicans pushed "self-deportation", the Alabama "let it rot in the fields" law, and a variety of other elements hostile to immigrants -- and there's a strong constituency for that within the party, people who will be infuriated if it's abandoned.

Republicans pushed a variety of "war on women" policies in the name of "family values" -- policies which have a strong constituency within the party even as they hurt the GOP within the larger society.

Republicans pushed a dramatic tax decrease for the rich -- again something that has a strong constituency within the party even as 60% of all voters expressed a belief that it's time for taxes on the wealthy to increase.

Republicans pushed a massive increase in military spending and the possibility of more military adventures -- with a strong constituency for same within the party while Americans as a whole are tired of war and the massive spending is a big part of our fiscal mess.

Republicans are pushing climate change denial, "Intelligent Design", and a general disdain for all things scientific (like accurate polling) -- these things have strong constituencies within Conservativism while being fundamentally at odds with modern society.

Republicans continue working to destroy education -- with a strong constituency within the Evangelical Fundamentalist base even as most everyone in America realizes that education is the key to success in this world.

So it isn't JUST an issue with marketing, it isn't JUST an issue with those of Latin American descent, and the existing Republican base will fight the necessary change to the bitter end.

Nothing good happens within the party until reasonable Republicans (of which few survive within the party hierarchy) drive out the crazy.

Republicans are searching for answers?

Their "screw you, I've already got mine" attitude extends all the from opportunity and personal civil rights to healthcare, education, and the environment.

Want more votes?

Try being a thoughtful centrist who listens to little people and gives a damn about whether we should equalize pay for women, encourage and give hope to families who want their kids to excel beyond their parents status.

Get rid of the socialist/commie/pinko/muslim name-caller garbage, the racist-leaning fringe, the hyper-religious anti-evolution fundamentalist zealots, and the hypocritical elitist plutocrats. They are political dinosaurs who have had it there way far too long.

Last, quit pandering to the likes of those at Fox News and Rush Limbaugh and start showing a respect for people those who weren't born in your neighborhood or bitchin' about their (high) tax bracket.

Quit waving our flag like it's yours.

I don't think you'll ever "get it", so I don't feel guilty about exposing a few of the secret feelings of the Democratic Party.

I predict 2 more weeks of goofy hand-wringing (Repubs will try to call it 'soul searching'), then back to their bigoted business as usual. You just can't change a rancid turd, no matter how much you wish for it.

I don't believe that the Republican loss was simply a matter of failing to court the Hispanic vote, both nationally, and in key states. The Republicans lost because over the past several years they have consistently portrayed themselves as the champions of crazy ideas, of trans-vaginal ultra sound scans for women wanting an abortion, of teaching creationism in the schools, as the enemy of public education.

There are legitimate conservative issues which would resonate with large number of voters. But the above, short-list of Republican inanities are not among them.

Listening to Republican candidates vie for the nomination last year, I could only wonder if they thought they were campaigning in the year 1911, not 2011. The fact that the majority of the American people no longer live on small, family owned farms, that we are increasingly a nation of diverse religious beliefs, that many of the 47% of the American people who pay no income tax do so because, though they work, they make very little money, all seems to have escaped them.

And what a odd-lot collection of characters these presidential candidates were. Some, were merely stupid. Take a bow, Rick Perry. Others were out and out crazy, such Michele Bachmann and Herman Cain. One, Newt Gingrich, is a cynical, dishonest person, misled by his ego into believing he is the smartest person on the planet.

But somebody had to win it. Which brings us to Mitt Romney, the former, "severely conservative" governor of Massachusetts. Here's a man who passed very much the same health care reform package he was bound to campaign against as a Presidential candidate, and a man who privately believes that 47% of the American people are non-working, moochers, intent on voting for whatever candidate gives them bread and circuses.

Ah well, courting the Hispanic vote is not going to cure all of that.

Que the Mariachi band.

I wish the journalists and pundits would get off this "Latino demographics" thread. The Republicans lost the Latinos the same way they lost women, gays, young people, seniors, and the middle class - with insulting denigrating extremist positions that alienated huge blocks of voters. The GOP's real hangover is from too much Tea Partying.

The long and the short of it is: Republicans are going to lose all kinds of voters until they STOP pushing their religious morality as a political agenda.

I'm very religious but I feel it is wrong to push my beliefs on others. God gave everyone a choice to love him or ignore him....if we try to take that Free Will away, we are de-valuing God's gift of choice to us.

if the restrictionist would fine tune their actions to match the message they just might get a little further. Republicans really don't understand why anyone would not want to be a geriatric challenged male, wasp or a brain addled repub female - most show no flexibility what so ever

Bringing down the deficit can only be done with a vibrant economy, cuts included yes but jobs.

Only time will tell it may not be long.

Republicans don't have to look far. Their candidate sucked and didn't represent the party, only the rich "Military, Industrial Complex!" Next, the party sucked and that is why I left it years ago as it didn't represent me anymore. I voted for Nixon, Goldwater, Nixon and Reagan who today would be classified as Liberals in this nut case right extremist party that has developed!

They act as if there could never be a latino Republican,or a black Republican running for the office of the presidency.lol The problem was more of the republicans putting up a face man with no substance. I would hope that latinos and blacks have better sense than to vote on a color. I believe they do.

It really sounds like the party is out of touch with reality as I see some 20 states are now passing petitions to sign to leave the Union. Talk about FOX brainwashing. Then the lady in Arizona who ran over her husband for not voting form Romney! Sickos, all on the right!

This will be a hard sell to big business that's wants to use their cheap slave labor for everything from manufacturing to construction while greedily stuffing their pockets with the sweat of their immigrant labor brow.

It is just another of those wedge issues that the Republican rank and file don't get because someone is saying buzz words like "family values" and "personal responsibility". There will be much lip service paid to this idea on the Republican side, but it will not be addressed until big business has wrung every dime they can out of their nearly free labor pool.

There is no band-aid for what ails the Republican Party. They need to wake up and walk into the 21st Century with most of the rest of the country or stick with their small slice of ultra conservatives fundamentalists and quickly become irrelevant.

I would suggest to you that it's more likely as the Democrats become more conservative, which they have been for the last 30 years, the chance of a new party springing up to the left is more probable.

I don't begrudge the Republican's their conservative values. They may live as they choose so long as they don't try to ram them down my throat.

@ihara saikaku - You nailed it in your post with:

The GOP's real hangover is from too much Tea Partying.

However, please refer to them as "the T-party"...the real Tea Party would not have associated much less agreed with them.

Republicans need to learn that hypocracy no longer works to win elections. When they cater to the right wing fringe, the rest of the population notices. When they do an about face, we know they are lying. America is not as right leaning as they would like to believe.

Americans do want freedom, but this includes freedom from someone else's religious dogma.

Clwyd,

I saw a map once that showed in blue; California up to Washington, then the top tier of states and the entire north east combined with Canada, labeled United States of Canada, and the rest in red labeled Jesusland.

@ Lusatania

Bringing down the deficit can only be done with a vibrant economy

We have brought it down, 207 billion last year, not huge but the right direction. The momentum we have now and the progress made will all be wiped out if bipartisanship is not achieved on tax cuts ,spending etc, within the time limit allotted, as to not continue "kicking the can down the road".

The deficit was running 1.3 tril a year when Obama took office. Now it is at 1.1 tril. They need to reach across the aisle to continue the progress that has started. Sacrifice must be made in these times, there is no way around it.

Republicans didn't lose because of just Hispanic voters...they lost because ideology was more important than practicality and negotiating with Democrats across the aisle is political suicide. Here's a novel thought: DUMP THE LUNATICS in your party and silence the conservative entertainment complex (Rush Limbaughs and Bryan Fischers) who are profiting immensely in the nonsense they are peddling just to stir up hatred for the president and profits for themselves. Stop calling girls sluts when they voice their opinion on contraception. Have respect for the person in office as well as the position. If the primary process wasn't proof that the Republicans didn't stand a chance, then you'll continue to lose every election from here on out and you will be more irrelevant than you are now. You will absolutely become extinct.

Here's another thought...COMPROMISE IS A GOOD THING!! Threatening financial catastrophe if you don't get your way makes you look like the babies that you are and no amount of grandstanding will make you look good in the public eye.

Here's yet another thought...STOP FIGHTING THE BATTLES OF THE PAST...you are losing each and every social policy issue...abortion, marriage equality...you are losing!!!!! If your party will continue to be represented by "legitimate" rape and "God intended your rape pregnancy" candidates, you will summarily lose even in a backwards state like Missouri.

Final Thought: REDEFINE CONSERVATISM. The public perception of conservatism is a bunch of racist, woman hating, government stay out of my life (except when gays want to marry and woman want abortions) but give me my Medicare, SS and FEMA when I want it, gay bashing, gun toting lunatics who say they want to follow the Constitution but have never read the damn thing. These are untenable positions to carry.

Just my thoughts from a true libertarian (not a tea bagging lunatic)

Until the GOP stops suckling at the teat of stupidity (i.e. Tea Party) they will continue to get it wrong. All you have to do is watch the gatherings of Mr. Romney - almost entirely white people. Then look at the gatherings of President Obama - a quilt of humanity - the way it should be - the way it would work best for this nation and for the world.

clwd, in no way would Reagan be considered a liberal today. He may not have been a religious zealot, but he was both fiscally and socially conservative. Nixon was a liberal and of the wing of the republican party (the democrat lite wing) that thinks the federal government should be involved in every social aspect of peoples lives...just do it more cost effectively than democrats.

Outright repeal isn’t in the cards, but Flake argued that once people see how expensive Obamacare mandates are for his state and others – and once people see employers refusing to hire more than 50 people for fear they’d have to comply with Obamacare mandates, then voters might see that “the Republican way will be the way to deal with it.”

The simple solution is to get insured. Not all but many businesses are using this as scapegoat to "trim the fat". The ACA can be utilized without cutting employees, or adding new ones. The goal here is not to hinder, but to motivate ones to take responsibilty for themselves and be insured. The end result will be more insured and a healthier America.

Firms with fewer than 50 employees are also exempt from the “employer responsibility” provision of the law that otherwise constitutes the biggest business burden in the legislation.The Affordable Care Act (in)famously requires that all individuals who don’t receive insurance from their employer or from a government program such as Medicare or Medicaid must buy their own insurance on a regulated exchange. Subsidies will be provided to those for whom such insurance wouldn’t be affordable. That could be seen as, in effect, penalizing firms that already offer insurance to their workers. To offset this, the law stipulates that companies whose employees receive subsidies to buy exchange plans must pay a financial penalty. That is supposed to deter firms from responding to the law by simply dropping existing insurance coverage. But the ACA doesn’t make small businesses pay that penalty.

Put the special subsidies and the exemption together, and the result is a law that’s pretty clearly a good deal for small businesses.

Bookem

Nixon was a moderate, not a liberal. But then, the far right of the party thought Reagan to be more moderate than conservative.

Republicans get sooooo angry when they lose. The venom that pours through their souls is amazing. Uninformed soldiers of of satin blaming their sadness on who ever disagrees with them. Atempting to punish people into submision. And in the end, they leave this life, unsung, unloved and unwept

Well, if I understood him correctly, Newt "Moon Unit" Gingrich said there was nothing wrong with the GOP message, it was just a matter of better marketing and outreach to the minority communities.

I don't think the GOP has learned their lesson yet. They will come to the conclusion that the President was re-elected because of:

1. Sandy

2. Romney was a poor choice

3. Voter Fraud

4. The liberal media

I do not think they will view this election as a rejection of the policies and those conclusions will be reinforced by Rush Limbaugh and the rest of the nattering Na-bobs of the right.

If we ever want to heal the political rift and polarization in this country and begin to move forward in a fiscally and humanitarian way we're going to have to address hate radio and the use of the public airwaves for propaganda purposes.

The re-instatement of the FAIRNESS DOCTRINE in broadcasting would be a good start.

I heard several pundits commenting on the FOX NEWS echo-chamber and how it may actually be hurting GOP candidates. Perhaps Mr. Murdock needs to reconsider the business model he created for FOX NEWS? That would be a good start.

But then, Mr. Murdock isn't an American is he? He's Australian. So what's he doing meddling in our politics?

What lousy reporting - we get more cogent analysis and hard-hitting questions here on the vine than from MSN journalists. Why don't reporters push back on this republican narrative that earlier posters have rightly attacked: The idea that the election was lost by failing to properly market to the right people. Forget the fact that most of the views promoted by republicans were repugnant to a majority of the electorate, or that they've failed to legislate responsibly for the past 4 years at the national and state levels, or that their guy Romney only offered platitudes designed not to address issues but to soothe the ear of hard-line ideologues. Shame on reporters for buying into and perpetuating this electioneering nonsense. Worse, I think it is harmful to democracy.

dman - "Que the mariachi band." Indeed, LOL.

The problem is with their increasingly extremist views and not how they sugar coat them. I'd put money down that the GOP will start to distance itself from the tea party out of necessity, and the TP will go the way of the occupy movement - as a footnote in history (and in its case an ugly stain on the social fabric of the early 20th century).

History repeats itself again. The Democrats have gone through the same hand-wringing after big defeats, trying to figure out what went wrong and what changes had to be made to win again.

(Skip...LOL! ..."re-instatement of the FAIRNESS DOCTRINE in broadcasting" So you want to force radio stations to run shows almost no one wants to listen to, thus forcing them to lose money. Maybe the government can have it's on public radio station where these types of shows can be broadcast....oh, wait, that's NPR!)

Sosad

they lost because ideology was more important than practicality and negotiating with Democrats across the aisle is political suicide.

That was the image as portrayed by the democrats in the news media. Romney was really a moderate with conservative tendencies.

The republican situation is that when they do compromise inappropriately they lose 2 votes for every one in the middle they gain. Romney made it clear that he would compromise to gain solutions. That lost him a minimum of 1.3 million voters that didn't vote, and the Ron Paul wing that voted for Gary Johnson. That hurt him by nearly 1 point in several key states. What's more there is no statistic taken that shows just how many Democrats crossed to vote for Republicans and how many Republicans crossed over to vote Democrat.

The 2012 turnout was 8.8 million less than 2008. That is the first first time the number of people voting had declined since 1992, when we had Clinton win with 43% to Bush 37% and Perot at 18%.

Obama won on 7.5 million less votes and got only 89% of what he had in 2008. That is 7.5 million people who refused to vote for Obama and couldn't bring themselves to vote for Romney either despite his very obvious effort to court their votes for over 1 year.

Clearly, there is something more than compromise that is the issue here.

Over 50% of the voters polled still put the blame for our current economic situation on GWB, and rightly so. Over 60% of voters polled believe in an increase in taxes for the wealthiest. Make it happen.

Karl Rove spent millions of other people's money and failed to deliver. Mitch McConnell pledged to bring the President down, and failed. Grover's no-tax pledge, failed to make Romney's platform.

This election offered the GOP the best opportunity in political history, and they failed. GOP heads are popping like popcorn all over the country. My advice? Please pass the salt.

As long as they are the Teapublican Party of NO they will lose. Even Reagan is a liberal to these people, much less Ike, Teddy, silent Cal or Abe. They make Tricky Dick look good.

Unregistered User

The long and the short of it is: Republicans are going to lose all kinds of voters until they STOP pushing their religious morality as a political agenda.

I'm very religious but I feel it is wrong to push my beliefs on others. God gave everyone a choice to love him or ignore him....if we try to take that Free Will away, we are de-valuing God's gift of choice to us.

I think this is the #1 problem with the Republicans right now. The Reps don't seem to understand that, just because most Americans are religious, doesn't mean they want to force those beliefs on the rest of us.

I also think they are more public with not compromising - although I think both parties are guilty of it. (ex: Dems are still insisting on a tax rate increase on the wealthy as mandatory - even though they know Reps are against this, and Reps have said they are open to revenue increases...just not in the form of tax rate increases).

JustSlapMe

Over 50% of the voters polled still put the blame for our current economic situation on GWB, and rightly so. Over 60% of voters polled believe in an increase in taxes for the wealthiest. Make it happen.

I saw that 60% discussion on MSNBC recently, and I think the numbers are a bit misleading.

What I heard was 13% favored removing all of the Bush tax cuts, and 47% favored increasing taxes only on the wealthy. I'm part of the 13% that want to remove all of the Bush tax cuts (over time, based on economic milestones so we don't cause another recession) - but I don't agree with only increasing taxes on the wealthy...everyone needs to share the burden.

Also, one thing that bothers me about the "wealthy tax rate increase" discussion is, it seems the focus is only on raising the rate to say the rate was increased. I haven't heard a detailed plan for why this is needed and how the money will be used. If the goal of a tax increase is to reduce the deficit, then I'll generally support it - but if the goal is to increase spending, I'm probably against it. Either way, I'm definitely against it if we don't have a good plan for what to do with the increased revenue.

Hs321

The conclusion every time is that they just didn't get their message out.

What they really seem to mean by that is double down is alter the image of their beliefs to make it more palatable for more people.

Democrats see people in terms of voting blocks and work to taylor their message to that specific group. It does not matter that parts of what they say apparenlty conflicts with what they tell another group, they work harder to convince that group that the Democratic party is the way to get whatever that group needs. The key is to look like you are delivering what you promise to any group that they believe is falling off the wagon.

Republicans hunt for election lessons

Which they'll promptly ignore.

Bookem Danno,

Your classification of Reagan as conservative is so out of touch with the extreme right of the republican party today. Even party members have called him a moderate by today's standards and that would mean to the rest of us he would be a Liberal today. I think the republican party had planted the seeds of their own extinction. At least I hope so! I will do everything to see that the seed grows to save our country from this right wing Nationals Socialist like Party!

those of you who don't like the results of the elections have found it necessary to sign the Leave the Union Petition should just get out!!!!!!!!!!

Not sure the Republicans are smart enough to learn. They might need a 2 X 4 upside the head.

DB Akron,

Romney compromised to a degree in his own version of healthcare in Mass...so why did he run so far away from his crowning achievement as governor while touting his ability to reach across the aisle on that very same law...His assertion of being able to work across the aisle wasn't believable.

If Romney lost voters, it wasn't because they went to Obama...his own base pulled its support of him for compromising...just look at what happened in Utah senate race from a few years ago and the pressure that was put on the Maine Senators for working bipartisan. The pressure of making key votes fell on the shoulders of the same few senators over and over again. Compromise is a toxic word in Republican politics when ideological purity is the gold standard. Do you think a more "conservative" candidate will win next time around? Will a Santorum or Bachmann be a better presidential candidate the next time? Or would a Huntsman be a better one? I for one believed John Huntsman was the right candidate for a lot of reasons and I would have strongly considered voting for him if he was the nominee, but the Republican base wouldn't have any of that...what a tragedy.

Obama still got 50%+ of the popular vote and 332 electoral votes despite the bad economy, despite the attack ads, despite the vast amount of money spent against him, despite having not even run a lemonade stand...so people may have soured on Obama, but that cathartic called the Republican primary damaged Mitt more than Republicans are willing to admit...The Republicans were feeding on him as the front runner and what emerged was a highly damaged candidate to put in front of the electorate...no wonder he became the etch a sketch candidate.

Here is my advise to the GOP:

http://dingleb.newsvine.com/_news/2012/11/07/14999817-my-advise-to-the-republican-party

Be the party of limited government and fiscal responsibility. The GOP hasn't been those things for decades. Social conservatism is killing the GOP in a country that is becoming more and more Libertarian.

Also, come up with an immigration plan that contains at least some degree of humanity.

I find the people predicting the "end of the Republican party" to be kind of funny. I heard a lot of those same comments after 2008, but then look what happened in 2010. Also, the Reps gained at least 1 governorship, and did well in many state elections. They obviously did poorly at the national level - but to act like they were beaten badly across the board is a stretch.

Still, I hope they do learn from the national losses, and change their tune on immigration reform, and government imposed morality (ex: gay rights, abortion, etc.).

My message for Republicans,

First, quit your lying to people. We like our politicians to be truthful, not say one thing, then do the other. Second, remember that while you are a Millionaire, 99% of the people who voted you in, are not. Be fair with taxes to ALL! Lastly, you are not superior too me, do not try to talk to me as if I am stupid. I probably know more about what you are voting on, than you do.

It's not just about the Hispanic vote. The key lesson Republicans need to learn is you can no longer win a national election with positions that primarily appeal to upper income white men.

trust2112,

That's my message to politicians in both parties...

The party of Christian values should take a good look at their espoused policies. From this viewpoint, not very Christian. Taxes, immigration, voting rights, education... you name it, not something Christ would teach. And this is coming from an atheist.

Even party members have called him a moderate by today's standards

Only the Ron Paul wing & Barry Goldwater remnants of the GOP does this and they have no significant influence other than democrats are plenty willing to buy their Crap!

BTW: There is a group of republicans that have nailed the issue. And the issue is not to be found on NBC. I don't give them much of a chance of succeeding, unless Liberal policies are permitted to take full effect. then and only then will the spell be broken.

I think the extreme positions of the Republican party is going to be the death of the party. Plus, with all the information readily available to people make it harder for them to hide their extremist agenda. That's one of the reasons Romney kept getting called out on flip flopping. Personally, I think the T-Party is putting the final nail in the Republican coffin.

Teapublicans, end your self-serving, depressing world view
with your Race to the Bottom, every man, woman, and child for his/herself,
refusal to pay your damn taxes, hatred for your fellow man, conspiracy theory
ignorance, delusional persecution complex, complete lack of civility and
decency. You and your Party deserve only to be crushed and minimized.

The 'Lessons' will be hard to implement. Here's why;

There are now 47 million families that get free food and cash aid, and they think the Democrats are responsible for 'giving' them that largess. At $550 per month average, that's about $300 Billion per year in 'freebies'.

These families are typically the ones that get about $440 Billion per year in free health care (Medicaid) - that figure comes from Obama's 2013 Budget projections.

That amounts to a total of about $740 Billion in 'free benefits' that these 47 million families get each year, which amount to about 70% of the Deficit.

These people have become totally dependent upon the government, so they naturally will continue to vote for the Democrats. A cynic might suggest that the Democrats are 'buying votes with taxpayer funds', but of course that would be considered 'heartless towards those in need', or even 'racist'.

In addition, the Democrats keep promising 'Amnesty' for the 11 million illegal immigrants in this country, so the 12 million Hispanics that vote will naturally want to vote overwhelmingly in favor of the Democrats who promise to let their friends and relatives stay here and be eligible to work (competing with legal American workers).

Since Obama got about 62 million of the 120 million votes in this last election, but won by only about 3 million votes, this huge group that has become 'dependent' on the Democrats will form a formidable voting block that will ensure the Democrats maintain power well into the future. So how many of the roughly 50 million families that have become dependent on the Democrats voted for them for purely selfish reasons? If only 3 million of the 50 million voted for continued 'free benefits' from the Democrats, that was enough to ensure a Democratic victory.

Ironically, even though these policies by the Democrats will drag down future economic growth and make everyone 'poorer' (witness the 10% drop in average family income over the last 4 years), this actually helps the Democrats win votes because it creates even more people that will become 'dependent on the government'.

All of this comes at a great cost (witness the $740 Billion per year spent on welfare and Medicaid above) and the huge cost to taxpayers of the massively growing Debt (which Obama projects to increase to almost $26 TRILLION within less than 10 years - even if he gets his 'tax increase on the wealthy). But the 50 million families that get welfare and free medical care don't really care about that, because they know that 'someone else will have to pay for that' (those who actually pay income taxes).

And of course the Democrats will continue to 'play to their base' by claiming 'the rich don't pay their fair share', and the Republicans are 'heartless and racist'.

We are well on our way to the ruin that Greece brought upon itself.

Nothing but more race-baiting from NBC News. Their news outlet is OBSESSED with people's skin color and genitalia.

Liberty, personal responsibility, free markets, the rule of law, the value of family KNOWS no color.

The party of Christian values should take a good look at their espoused policies. From this viewpoint, not very Christian. Taxes, immigration, voting rights, education... you name it, not something Christ would teach. And this is coming from an atheist.

The reason you don't think they are Christian values is because you are an atheist who doesn't understand Christianityor our values. Yes we believe in giving to the poor, GIVING being the key word, higher taxes so the government can pay for more entitlement programs is not what the Christianity teaches. Christians are for immigration just like Republicans, but we are also for following the laws and this is not what is being done. Voting rights is a joke, everyone wants people to be able to vote, asking that are country to make sure voting fraud isn't happening is not a big deal unless you are committing fraud. Good Education is again something wanted by all, the fact our schools have been getting progressively worse, that should tell you that what the government / Teachers Unions / Department of Education has been doing is not working. Wanting to improve our education system seems something only Christians and Republicans are interested in. Maybe you should look at your dumb assumptions on Christians and Republicans.

See above Logic post.....Perfect example of the problem with the repub party.......

Repub party...

Tell everyone you are for everything ...while only caring about getting all the money to the 1% greedy rich people. Repubs don't see that as a problem....Divide and conquer, create voter suppression laws to stop people from voting against them......Take pledgeds to take the economy down the very first day Obama took office,.....Take the Norquist pledge to never raise taxes on the rich while it is now at an all time low....

Manipulate the news with the GOP fake news media Fox news......

The word is out....next election will be even worse for Repubs because the greedy will push them further away from real Americans.....

The biggest problem with Republican party is they are no longer conservative. They push a prejudiced agenda under the veil of conservatism. This has alienated the base of true, level-headed, educated conservatives.

They’d like to keep more of what they earn; they’d like the opportunity to start businesses and an opportunity to start a family.

Yeah because no Democrats/moderates/liberals want these things. Do they even listen to what they say?

Logic Required,

I'm still waiting for Obama to pack his suitcase after the election loss. ( I thought you had some dire prediction of a republican win?) You need to change your handle as you lack all Logic. Too conservative, too militaristic, too much for the 1%, too out of touch with reality and too much FOX. Rove was so hysterical and then Hannity telling all the wrong reason why Romney lost! LOL ! I really do go to FOX for it is hysterical! They should rename it, "Comedy Central!"

Teapublicans, end your self-serving, depressing world view
with your Race to the Bottom, every man, woman, and child for his/herself,
refusal to pay your damn taxes, hatred for your fellow man, conspiracy theory
ignorance, delusional persecution complex, complete lack of civility and
decency. You and your Party deserve only to be crushed and minimized.

You idiots deserve the bankrupt country you get. You have made promises you can't keep even if you taxed at 100%. I look forward to watching the fall and will not help you fools. Republicans believe in personal responsibility and I would not be following my own value system if I helped save you from yourself. I look forward to watching the fall of this country and the suffering of idiots like you.

#1.21- not only what you said about Nixon; but in my opinion, President Obama is slightly to the right of Nixon in terms of social policies and FAR to the right of him in terms of economic policies. (willingness to negotiate CPI for "SS reform" and putting Medicare/Medicaid on the table during the "grand bargain").

Trust: "

My message for Republicans, First, quit your lying to people. We like our politicians to be truthful, not say one thing, then do the other.

You must really be twisted about right now:

5 pages of Obama’s broken promises:

Promise Broken rulings on the The Obameter

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/obameter/rulings/promise-broken/?page=1

And more of his flip-flops here:

President Flip Flop: Barack Obama’s Broken Promises, Policy Reversals and Continuous Flip Flops

http://www.therightsphere.com/2012/04/president-flip-flop-barack-obamas-broken-promises-policy-reversals-and-continuous-flip-flops/

ALL politicians lie, including Obama.

I'm still waiting for Obama to pack his suitcase after the election loss. ( I thought you had some dire prediction of a republican win?) You need to change your handle as you lack all Logic.

I thought Romney would win not because of Fox News (as I do not have cable) but because I thought Americans would not re elect a man who did such a bad job. I was wrong and unlike many other Republicans I don't think we need to look for ways to win, we need to give up and look for other opportunities. I'm all for Republicans letting Democrats do whatever they want, elections have consquences and the people deserve to get what they elected into office.

By the way, the company I work for has began doing layoffs and has said 2013 might be the last year the offer any kind of insurance benefits. Thanks.

The most obvious lesson we all can learn from the election is that approximately 51% of voters apparently enjoy living in a depressed economy.

Logic Required,

You keep proving us right about your total lack of "Logic!" Get over it! The American public it far to the left of you and your nut case right wing T Party! The election proves that, now face reality and logic!

Stop spewing your filth about the extreme right. You lost big time! Something like 3,000,000 votes the last time I looked.

Until Republican candidates figure out how to perform better among non-white voters, especially Hispanics and Asians, Republican presidential contenders will have an extraordinarily difficult time winning presidential elections from this point forward,” he said.

Here is my advice. Do not listen to what liberals are telling you. That is like taking a lions advice on where you should graze. Stick to principles, and for the love of God, do not cave on our immigrations laws. You will lose far more than you gain Republicans. Amnesty = dead Republican party! DO NOT BECOME DEMOCRAT LIGHT!!! DO NOT FALL FOR IT REPUBLICANS!

Logic Required,

I do not support the totally Un-Christian values that the republican party and the extremists. Before you accuse me like others of being an atheists ( When you can't defend your extreme stands!). I will let you know I'm on my Church Council!

Kornfed,

Keep saying that! It lost you the last election and will lose you many more. Better yet! Just put your head in the sand. Total ignorance! At least student often learn from their mistakes!

Redistricting in states controlled by the TEA-Republican's proved to be the controlling power. Redistricting helped create areas of representation that did not mirror actual population ethnic diversity. Each state should have representation in their own houses, as well as Congress, that represent proportionally the ethnic backgrounds of their population. Using redistricting, many states have created career politicians and entrenched representation that does not reflect actual ethnic diversity of those regions. States continuously harp on states rights as their support for their actions, but that support can and has abridged peoples rights to have true representation of their ethnic or minority populations. It is up to the people to educate themselves on this point and change the mix in their state houses and in Washington. It may take time to effect true and adequate changes, but it must be done. Every state should be involved in choosing the people to represent them and especially the president. Many state were barely visited by those running for office because it was already known who would take which state and how that state would vote.

#1.59; you should be "thanking" your employer and the Republican myth machine for misniforming you regarding the affects of Obamacare:

FROM: http://www.jdsupra.com/legalnews/obamacare-myths-debunked-80992/

For small businesses: “There’s no obligation with this act for any employer to offer health insurance,” Bard explains. “And there never has been.”

The ACA’s opponents claim that the law will stifle innovation by putting onerous requirements on small businesses. In fact, the opposite is true– while the law does not require businesses to offer health insurance to employees, it does create tax credits for companies with fewer than 50 people to help pay for insurance, which along with other measures should make it easier and more affordable for start-ups to attract and retain talent. In 2014, companies with fewer than 100 employees will be able to shop for insurance on exchanges to search for better choices and lower costs.

The law does contain provisions that companies with more than 50 employees may have to make a “shared responsibility payment” if their employees receive tax credits to pay for personal insurance because there is no opportunity to enroll in a company plan.

FROM: http://thanksobamacare.org/index.php?s=myths

Hmmm, this video might make it better for everyone. :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dX_1B0w7Hzc&feature=related

Blame the poor again, eh Roy? More than half of the people on food stamps actually have a job, but that job doesn't pay them well-enough to get them off of food stamps! Why not? Because the GOP has tried so hard to render America a 3rd-world country by offshoring as many of our our jobs as possible to the lowest bidder.

As I have said before, if just half of the jobs that were offshored just during GW's administration were still here, our unemployment rate would be at 4% and our economy would be on-fire, with plenty of middle-class jobs to go around. Workers wouldn't need food stamps to survive, which would cut food stamp rolls in half.

And yet whenever the Democrats have tried to enact legislation making it more-expensive to offshore our jobs, your Republicans have fought them tooth & nail Roy, to continue to try to destroy our economy by continuing to try to cut wages paid here. You Republicans actually want more people on food stamps, now don't you?

Lesson #1 if you want to have a chance of winning an election: The jobs of Americans and America's economic strength at home must come first. Why run a vulture capitalist for President who specializes in ruining other American's lives, someone who is largely responsible for increasing the numbers of his fellow countrymen receiving food stamps? Was Romney finished with vulture capitalism when he left Bain Capital? NO. Romney and his financier made 9 figures bankrupting Delphi and offshoring 25,000 middle-class jobs during the height of the Great Recession, which, with the economic spinoff figured, cost Michigan and Ohio another 62,000 jobs during the worst part of the recession. How can you worship someone like that Roy?

What is wrong with some elements of the Republican Party is that they could care less about the lives of their fellow Americans, as long as they can make a buck off of them. Romney's call to pump-up defense spending would have further cost our civilian economy 2.5 jobs for every job "created" by increased defense spending, and doing so would have substantially deepened our debt problem, and it would also have thrown even more Americans onto food stamp rolls too.

Again, the Republicans want people on food stamps. How else to explain our ever-growing disparity between the incomes of our top few percent and everyone else? Forty years ago the average CEO earned 40 times what his factory floor workers averaged and today that figure is 25 times that high. Spending power among America's bottom 70% in annual income, today below $40K on average, has fallen by 40% since 1980 when the Gipper was elected. Imagine if bottom 70% spending power had just kept pace with inflation from 1980 to now Roy, it would be $67,000 today, but I'll admit that in order to have tat kind of compassion for your workforce that high-end earners would have to take a substantial pay cut too!

America will never be great again if we continue to destroy our American standard of living desperately trying to make more money than anyone else has by continuing to offshore more and more American jobs to the lowest bidder worldwide, and anyone who continues to support that rationale is faced with losing more and more of the electorate the more jobs that they destroy in the process. So, if you Republicans want to lose really badly next time, just keep on offshoring our jobs, and you will get your wish too!

I'm thinking that if you Republicans like doing business in China or Mexico so much that maybe you should just move there too, which would greatly help solve America's problems too!

Republicans got plenty of clues, hints, suggestions and advice DURING the election, and fought tooth and nail to maintain their KKK mentality and they won as far as holding on to their worn out ambitions go, like trying to repeal women's rights.

Since Republican voters didn't learn anything about George "Curveball" Bush or his Republicans "rubberstamp" Administration and went into "lie and deny" mode and decided to try to "re-write history", we are not surprised that Republicans refuse to learn anything, and as proven, they didn't.

Hunt? Really? It's not like we're talking about the illusive Saquatch here. Accept the fact that America and Americans encompasses more than middle aged to older, straight, white, Christian men.

Ta da! Problem solved.

If you're asking yourself "What would Eisenhaur do?" because he was a fantastic POTUS, that's fine, but then remember socially, we're a little bit different now then we were in the '50's.

They don’t want a handout or a guarantee, they want an opportunity. They’d like to keep more of what they earn; they’d like the opportunity to start businesses and an opportunity to start a family

This is hilarious. They keep talking about "learning lessons" and they still haven't learned the lesson that the reason they lost is that they think they are fighting the party of handouts, the 47%.

Until they wake up to the reality that the more educated, higher earners voted for the black dude, they are going to keep losing.

clwd, in no way would Reagan be considered a liberal today. He may not have been a religious zealot, but he was both fiscally and socially conservative.

I beg to differ. The fact that Reagan wasn't a religious zealot is enough to brand him as a liberal or "RINO" in today's GOP. Add to that the fact that Reagan was willing to compromise with Democrats to achieve his the majority of his goals, and you've got a man who would never get the Republican nomination today.

Barry,

He also increased both spending and taxes. That Red bastard!

The most obvious lesson we all can learn from the election is that approximately 51% of voters apparently enjoy living in a depressed economy.

The most obvious lesson we can all learn is the more than 51% of the voters believed that Obama has a better solution for the country's problems.

Your "voters are stupid" argument just doesn't work.

I thought Romney would win not because of Fox News (as I do not have cable) but because I thought Americans would not re elect a man who did such a bad job. I was wrong

You are still wrong. Because now, you are wrong about how bad a job Obama did. He has significant achievements and just because you are unwilling to recognize them as such does not mean that the electorate agreed with you.

I find the people predicting the "end of the Republican party" to be kind of funny. I heard a lot of those same comments after 2008, but then look what happened in 2010. Also, the Reps gained at least 1 governorship, and did well in many state elections. They obviously did poorly at the national level - but to act like they were beaten badly across the board is a stretch.

Not a single Democratic office-holder lost. Democrats running against incumbents might have lost, but every single Democrat who was in office was sent back to continue, from President Obama on downwards. Democrats also received a majority of the votes for the House and only gerrymandering allowed Republicans to retain their majority there. That is why "beaten badly" is an appropriate description.

Aw Sarah you are cracking me up, "That red bastard" but don't be so hard on us old white straight men. (Please note I left out the christian part, which may be the core problem) not all of us are raving lunatics.

Some of us voted for the winner, we play guitar, paint and love dogs.

Not all old white guys are bad.

I'm still laughing over calling Reagan a red. But you're all correct, Reagan would be too liberal for today's GOP and that's a fact.

Happy days are here again!

Grandpa Skip,

No worries. Not ALL old, straight, Christian, white dudes are fringe conservatives. But ALL the fringe conservative platform caters to, are old, straight, Christian, white dudes.

Republicans should have never signed that pledge with Grover Nordquist either, and they shouldn't have announced to the world that they would rather destroy America and the American People than to work with a democratically-elected President.

Lesson one: stop being batsh*t crazy. it is not a virtue.

Lesson two: stop setting women back 1000 years.

Lesson three: separation of church and state must be maintained.

Haha - Sarah, I'm online today checking in on you (as you know) haha. Do you seriously think what you just said is true? Or are you just trying to make a point?

Pukes,

This is the only lesson I will give you, after that if you fail, I don't care.

1 Stop pushing your religious beliefs on others.

2 Respect women

3 Respect people of color

4 Respect GLBT

5 Respect yourself enough to do the top 4 and not live in fear.

oh gee i dont know.. stop pandering to racists, bigots, homphobes, trashing mexicans and minorities, calling HALF THE COUNTRY LAZY FREELOADERS, all the nonsense about how only you create jobs, while not even creating any.. stop trashing teachers, the education system.. maybe try and cater to others besides wealthy old christain white men... stop trying to rule womens bodies.. forcing your religion on everyone when its none of your business.. stop painting anyone who disagrees with you politically as a socialist or muslim...

yeah.. those things.. good luck.

oh, and if you think you can fix and economy or a deficit without BOTH spending cuts and raising taxes, go back to school.

P.S. - you got me hooked on Ratigan

Bigdogg - I would describe myself as more republican than democrat, but I would also say that I GREATLY respect women, people of color, GLBT, and myself. Thoughts?

Ask,

Obviously, I'm being a little bit over the top. However, the demographics and the party platforms don't lie.

Here are some examples of why the GOP lost...

"Binders full of women".

"Self deportation".

"I believe marriage should be between a man and a woman".

"47%".

The face of America is changing. My generation and the following generation account for more and more votes each election and our social views are not based on fear or exclusion. I call this progress, some may call it a damn shame.

It's our brother's, friends, spouses, sisters, coming back wounded from these wars. It's our openly gay friends who they're denying civil rights too. It's our Latino friends who's parents brought them here and don't have papers. It's our friends struggling to make a living and in debt up to our asses because of school.

Unless they start listening to the younger generations, who carry more and more of the weight of the past generations policies and more and more relevance in elections, about how we want our country to be run they will never win again.

Instead of trying to convince us to believe in their social policies, they should be listening to us about what we think.

P.S. Ratigan is the man!!!

askaboutet,

Then I assume you voted for Obama. Otherwise you are just kidding yourself.

Kinda like the woman from California, after using the N word, said I'm not a racist.

Well, until conveniently recently, Obama thought marriage should be between a man and a woman as well. However, last time around I would assume most GLBT voted for him? If the point is that GLBT voted for Obama because he is more understanding of the GLBT community (because he, as you put is, does not think "I believe marriage should be between a man and a woman"), and that is NOT what he thought the first time he ran, then the argument on its face, that just because "I believe marriage should be between a man and a woman" is what Romney thinks, obviously doesn't mean he's "anti-gay" and out of touch with the GLBT community, unless it is your opinion that until about a year ago, Obama was too...?

I think you hit the nail right on the head American Girl. It has been the Republican House that has stalled many bills that would help the economic recovery like the "jobs bill" introduced nearly 11 months ago that has never made it out of the House. Republicans were more concerned about making the American President look bad and weaken proposed policies to help the American people that they all forgot that they work for all the American people. If Congress does not work fast in then next 2 months, millions of Americans are going to suffer the consequences of the failed effort on the buget bill as well that will hit Americans like a ton of bricks in January. It was not Pres. Obama's fault....it was a super-committee made up equally of Dems and Repubs and Speaker Bainer did not use his authority to have the Republicans negotiate as they promised to get the Balanced Budget Bill passed. They caved in to Grover Norquist and the likes of Rush Limbaugh (convicted felon & recovering drug addict) and would do anything for the President to fail even if it meant hurting the American People. In spite of their efforts, our economy has grown - slowly, Unemployment has improved - slowly and then they walk away from their seats in the house in September and didl not even hold a vote on the Veterans Bill before recess, that they...themselves agreed upon.

What are the American people supposed to think? Well....despite everything, they said "NO" to the Republicans. If Republicans want to rebuild their party, they better start showing the American people they are willing to go to Washington and DO THEIR JOBS!! Regardless of what party the President belongs to or what race he/she is. I "was" a Republican, not anymore....now I'm one of those new independent voters and if the Republican party wants me back, they better shut their mouths about women's rights, our bodies, voter rights, continuing tax cuts for the rich (which under Pres. Bush was only supposed to be temporary) and stop blaming the whoe's of our nation on "illegals". Get their bodies and brains in their House seats and compromise without Tea Party ideals and far right wing agendas and work with the Administration and Senate to show the American People their only purpose in holding their elected seat is to work as a cohesive body of government for the American People. That will sve the Republican party not Bill O'Reilly, Ann Coulter, Rush Limbaugh, and Grover Norquist. If the Republicans continue this path, you will see many more of them loose their seats in 2 years, then Democrats will once again control the House and Senate and Republicans will never be a legitamate party. Independents will take that position away from them.

bigdogg - out of curiosity, how old are you?

I did not vote for Obama, and I am not kidding myself. Since you're making the accusation, would you explain to me how I am kidding myself?

Would you say that people like Hermain Cain, Condoleezza Rice, and even Richard Tisei are "kidding themselves?" or do you think there's more to political views than what you hear from people like Lady Gaga and the news?

Old Timer-88224

So your idea is that we can 'force' companies in America to hire only American workers, even if they will no longer be competitive with foreign companies?

Somehow, I don't think forcing American companies into bankruptcy is a viable solution. They have to compete in a worldwide market, and what you suggest is basically business suicide, since we have to allow imports from lower cost foreign competition.

'Outsourcing' is the result of anti-business policies like forcing more expensive regulations on American companies that foreign companies do not have to adhere with.

republicans need to dump the tea party and norquist, and their intransigence and extremism

Ask,

I think Obama was playing politics when he opposed gay marriage, seeing as the momentum for legalizing it really began after his first election. However, you also have to look, not just at the candidates, but at the party platforms.

One party says "legalize" it, the other says, "No way". It doesn't matter what the candidate believes since they'll be slaves to their platforms anyway.

No, I don't think everyone who opposes gay marriage is necessarily "anti-gay", but I do think they don't have a legal leg to stand on and are violating, albeit inadvertently, the 1st, 9th, 4th, and 14th Amendments of our Constitution, as well as the Civil Rights Act.

Ask,

If you respect these different groups you would never have voted for Romney. I am not blaming Romney, he like John McCain was forced to be someone he was not.

If you truly respect these different groups you would not have voted for a party that does not respect these groups.

As for my age, I voted for Reagan the first time, I have NEVER voted for another Republican President candidate since that time. Why? They seem to try to get what they want through deceit.

Because I'm sure someone will question my position on the legality of marriage equality...

Here's my standard post explaining it. Any snarkiness is NOT directed at you, since I'm copying and pasting it from a vine I wrote on a while ago...

First, there are certain "protected classes" laid out in the 14th Amendment and the Civil Rights Act. Two of them are race and gender. In the Supreme Court case Loving v Virginia, SCOTUS ruled that,

Marriage is one of the "basic civil rights of man," fundamental to our very existence and survival....

Now this case was based on race, BUT to support gay marriage, all you have to do is change race to GENDER, another protected class. PLUS, the 14th Amendment has a little something called the "Privileges and Immunities" clause. Which means, you can't deny the citizens, their privileges, or immunities, based on those classes. In this case, that'd be gender.

So, since marriage is a legal (that means law) contract, that comes with PRIVILEGES, you can't deny citizens, without a damn good, already been shown to exist, reason, based on gender, among other things. So, if the state can't prove a reason, to deny privileges to people based on gender, they can't make that particular law.Now, put it together. If two gay people want to enter a contract, and the state tells them they can't, because of the gender of one of the parties, THAT'S A BIG NO NO.

Also, the logic that gay people are free to marry, just as you are, i.e they're free to marry one of the opposite sex, is the EXACT same defense that Virginia used in their defense, again just turn gender to race.

The court ruled, AGAINST that logic.

Second, you have an implied right to privacy, mostly through the 9th and 4th Amendments. In a the SCOTUS case Lawrence v Texas, the court said this...

The Texas statute furthers no legitimate state interest which can justify its intrusion into the personal and private life of the individual.

Third, AGAIN, marriage is a civil contract, that comes with over 1,000 benefits granted by the state. Most of these benefits deal with property, insurance, tax and probate law. Civil unions, do NOT grant equivalent benefits. In order to enter a legal contract, the parties have to have LEGAL CAPACITY FOR INFORMED CONSENT.

Furthermore, marriages are NOT religious, that's Holy Matrimony, which a church can NEVER be forced to perform against its dogma, due to protections in the 1st Amendment. This is why people can, and do, get married any day without ever stepping foot in a church.

Also, marriage has NOTHING to do with procreation. After all, we let people have kids OUTSIDE of marriage, and NOT have kids while married.

Fourth, there are very few limited reasons for the government to discriminate in law, against one of these protected classes, and in order to do so, the government has to pass the test of strict scrutiny, which is that compelling state interest mentioned in Lawrence v Texas.

So....

The real question, those making the case for continuing the gender based discrimination of DOMA is, what is that compelling state interest? And before we start talking about marrying appliances, nephews, sheep, or dead people, ask yourselves this...

Since the only difference between a gay marriage and a straight marriage, is the gender of a single party, what is inherent to that single party's gender which would lead to bestiality, incest, polygamy, pedophilia, or marrying inanimate objects? Remember, you're ONLY changing ONE person's GENDER, so logically, it must be something within that one person's gender, which would lead you to believe gay marriage would open the door to any of those things, so... WHAT IS IT? Why would gay marriage lead to the repeal of the laws we have on the books, banning all those things?

Or, in easier terms...

Why doesn't STRAIGHT marriage lead to any of that?

And technically, the burden of proof is on those limiting rights, (the anti-marriage equality folks), so you all should really be making the case, not us.

Catering to illegals will not win Republicans the Mexican vote. It will cost you a whole hell of a lot more than the minority vote gained. Listen to me Republicans! Dont be fools

I am all for gay marriage as well. but the point I was trying to make is that I think *some* people are not quite aware of the fact that someone like a republican can be in favor of gay marriage, Obama WAS NOT in favor of gay marriage last time he ran, etc. I think people see "democrat" and think 'oh okay I'll vote for them so there can be gay marriage' or they see "republican" and think the opposite, where, as you know:

1. It's not like the president can say "okay, now there is gay marriage" - but I honestly think MANY people don't realize this, and

2. Many democratc/Obama in 2008 are NOT in favor of gay marriage

3. The Media creates a ridiculous stereotype of republicans, that a majority of uneducated people assume to be correct.

Bogdogg - I was against Obama because he is deporting more immigrants than Bush did, and he's bombing more countries/people than bush did.

askaboutet

This is exactly what I was talking about in my post.....our country is about to fall off a fiscal cliff in two months for most Americans and taxes and people are still worried about what 'Obama" believes about marriage being between a man and a woman only. Who cares!!! If you believe that marriage is between a man and a woman - wonderful. But Marriage is a STATE ISSUE not a federal government issue. And if you're a man and hold that belief, great....don't marry another man and if you're a woman....don't marry another woman. We have REAL Problems in this country and they are not the GLBT community or tooo many women getting abortions. They are fiscal and economic problems that need solutions. Who gives a shxt who sleeps with who and who marries who and who gets pregnant and has an abortion. These are all personal rights issues that were designed by our consitution over 200 years ago. Let's talk about a balanced buget, jobs, ending the war in Afghanistan, nation building, our infrastructure, and the prosperity and power of our nation. Nonsense....that is why the majority of Americans re-elected Obama in a horrible economy...because these subjects of stupidity flooded the real campaign instead of solutions and real plans to help Americans out of the hole past government policies have created for us.

And please

he's bombing more countries than Bush did

Are you actually serious? Our troops are no longer fighting in Iraq, Afghanistan is winding down with the draw down that began in August and our Air support in Syria was part of our NATO agreement.

lololololololol

My advice to Republicans...Get out of the way and let the Dems do everything they want for the next 2 years. Then run "really really severely Conservative" for the next Presidential election....you will win.

Sarah,

You are the first person that I have seen, other than myself, that has made the connection that prohibition on gay marriage is gender based discrimination.

I made the following comment in another discussion.

"Homosexuals are forbidden marriage, presumably to a person they are attracted to and in romantic love with, simply because the genders of the party match and for no other reason. At its core, it is a gender based determination on who can and can not marry. Gender based discrimination. A male-male/female-female couple are not being treated equally to a male-female couple when it comes to marriage."

Byron Raum

I find the people predicting the "end of the Republican party" to be kind of funny. I heard a lot of those same comments after 2008, but then look what happened in 2010. Also, the Reps gained at least 1 governorship, and did well in many state elections. They obviously did poorly at the national level - but to act like they were beaten badly across the board is a stretch.

Not a single Democratic office-holder lost. Democrats running against incumbents might have lost, but every single Democrat who was in office was sent back to continue, from President Obama on downwards. Democrats also received a majority of the votes for the House and only gerrymandering allowed Republicans to retain their majority there. That is why "beaten badly" is an appropriate description.

According to this NYT article, there were Democratic incumbents that lost...

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/07/us/politics/republicans-stand-firm-in-controlling-the-house.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

This reminds me of the Southpark Episode where Kyle has a birthday party at Las Casa Bonitia which Cartman really loves, but doesn't invite Cartman and Cartman tries to be nice to Kyle to try to get Kyle to invite him. So the first thing Cartman does is show up at Kyle's door in a new suit. He's is told that wearing a nice suit doesn't equal being nice (he asks what's the difference). He then pretends that a crippled kid was making jokes about Kyle's mom and beats him up. The Republican party is Cartman.

I think this attempt is another swing and miss by the Republicans. It's not about "figuring out how to perform better", God knows Mitt Romney lied his ass off to try to appeal to everyone, it's about changing who you are deep down inside - being better period. Stop being hypocritical, preaching "freedom" and "liberty" then having your primary agenda be restricting other people's rights based on your personal beliefs. (what you eat shouldn't make me @!$%#!!). Stop talking about being "patriots" but show complete disregard for the majority of America, including the President. You talk about jobs, but block jobs bills, you talk about debt and the inability to spend domestically, but yet want to increase the military budget by 2 trillion. You don't like welfare and help for the poor, but then argue against cutting 4 billion dollars in tax cuts for the oil companies.

Lipstick on a pig will not make you any less a pig.

Kornfed

Catering to illegals will not win Republicans the Mexican vote. It will cost you a whole hell of a lot more than the minority vote gained. Listen to me Republicans! Dont be fools

The Hispanic voting block is large and growing faster than any other voting block - and one of their main issues is immigration reform. If the Republicans do not come up with a realistic plan for immigration, they will be a non-issue in another 10 or 15 years for the presidency. They will still be able to win House and Senate seats - but not the presidency because they will lose Texas before long...once that happens, their electoral college path to victory is pretty much gone.

Lorrain - sorry - I actually can't tell what the overall point of you're first paragraph is, but I THINK you're defending me, right?

Also, I believe it is true that he is in fact bombing more countries than Bush did, whether he pulls out of those countries or not.

This is an interesting read:

bigdogg - which comment were you loll'ing at? (which one of mine, I mean) and why were you laughing?

Also, I don't know why I can't post links in here. If you're "lol'ing" at my bombings comment, just google it.

The demographics mentioned in this article shows where Romney lost votes but not why he lost the election. Republicans liked to say it's the economy stupid, then failed to address how they'd fix it. Touting tax cuts as the answer when we already saw the Bush tax cuts turn a 200 billion dollar surplus under Clinton into a 450 billlion dollar deficit in Bush's first year, reasonable people weren't buying smoke and mirrors. Don't ask us to vote for you on trust. If you can pay for a 20% tax cut by eliminating deductions tell us which ones.

askaboutet

The media creates a ridiculous stereotype of Republicans that uneducated people assume to be correct.

Does holding a Juris Doctorate count as being educated? The ridiculous stereotype was created by the statements made by Republicans. They, themselves are responsible for their statements, not the media who's job it is to disseminate information to the public. So now are you saying Obama won because only uneducated people voted for him because they could not understand what Gov. Romney really said to donors on tape in Florida, or what Rep. Akin said or what Rep Mourdock said? Or that they were too uneducated to understand the stereotype that Gov. Romney refused to produce tax returns like every other Presidential Candidate who seeks office does. And they were too stupid to understand the blatant disregard for the American People when Mrs. Romney was asked on national TV about the tax returns six months before the election and she referred to the American people as "you people".

I agree with you that NO educated person would listen to Rush Limbaugh or Ann Coulter and come away with an idea that they are speaking for the Republican Party. Because that would be ridiculous, because their statements are ridiculous and laughable at best. But the American People are a lot smarter than you give them credit for....the stereotype of the Republican party was created by it's own Presidential Candidate.

Larry - I hate to do this, because I am in favor of higher taxes (if spent well) but you could also argue the point from the other side - the taxes were lower under bush, and there was a deficit. Then the taxes were kept low under obama, but spending increased, and the deficit skyrocketed. If you have bush, with one deficit, and then obama, with a way bigger deficit, and you're talking about decreasing the deficit, why would you want either, and if you chose one, why would it be the one who caused a way bigger deficit?

Also, and perhaps most important, the budget in the united states has almost ALWAYS run at a deficit, whether under a democrat or republican, and for almost the entire history of the income tax, the tax rate was HIGHER than when Clinton was in the office. Despite this higher tax rate, though, there was still a deficit. My point is that if taxes are at 10%, 35%, 45%, 90%, whether that is enough money to operate in a surplus will depend on how much money is being spent.

ask,

people need to be put to work, that will raise revenues. The question is how will the job creation get jump started. It is a question of supply side vs demand side economics. In our case today, the best way is demand side.

clwyd-2621393

It really sounds like the party is out of touch with reality as I see some 20 states are now passing petitions to sign to leave the Union. Talk about FOX brainwashing. Then the lady in Arizona who ran over her husband for not voting form Romney! Sickos, all on the right!

I hate to admit it but perhaps that is the answer. They aren't willing to work with anyone less conservative than Attila the Hun, and they seem to have strong desire for their government to be strange combination of Theocracy and a Corporate Plutocracy. Perhaps everyone would be better off if they did succeed. This time perhaps we shouldn't stop them.

The GOP needs to quit focusing on "preventing" people from voting, quit worrying about the next election, and what is best for the GOP..and start focusing on America as a whole, including the 47% who thing they are "entired to food, housing and a job", rather then those who feel entired to more and more and more and more money.....and "wealth creators". Also, get outa bed and stop pandering to the religious right and the neo-cons. Get behind changing the Senate rules so no Party needs a "super-majority" to try to get anything don, get behind a Constitutional amendment that put term limits on Congress....! oh, and get your heads outa of the collective asses at FOX News!

The Answer to the questions the GOP seek is that they were and are unfit to run this nation and the people saw through their personal agendas.

They have yet to learn that this country is not led by personal agendas but what is best for the nation as a whole! Additionally the GOP attempted to turn back the clock on progress and partially because of such they failed.

In fact too much of their agenda was to take out Obama,Yet not because he has been a poor President attempting to clean up the mess left by Cheney Bush, but because he is a Black Man and the GOP fails to accept that he a MAN undefined by race!

Republicans did not lost in their own states , just a few sits here and there. Arizona one of the most controversial States Romney won , Texas with large Latino population elect a Republican Latino Senator. Romney lost because Democrats lower the bar , working along with the media the most nastiest campaign ever , full of lies, and character assassination against a candidate much more prepared than the reelected Obama , who never disassociate from accusations like murderer from from his campaign chief Strephani Carter. Obama won ,but not because he was the best, Obama won not because Republican principals are wrong, Obama won because he exploit every way to get the vote. Blame also go to Libertarians lead by Ron Paul who decide stay home because Romney is too moderate and see our country destroy just to make a point, Evangelicals who still have negative view against Mormons. Romney lost 49 % of voter the highest number in many elections. Republicans must change their tactics against Democrats but never cave on their principals because those are the ones made this a Great Nation.

Now let's go back to the Benghazi failure and the Sequestration Bill that Obama sing to put us in the path of the fiscal cliff.

They learned that in math, 47% is damn near half.

Ron-1861300

Kornfed

Catering to illegals will not win Republicans the Mexican vote. It will cost you a whole hell of a lot more than the minority vote gained. Listen to me Republicans! Dont be fools

The Hispanic voting block is large and growing faster than any other voting block - and one of their main issues is immigration reform. If the Republicans do not come up with a realistic plan for immigration, they will be a non-issue in another 10 or 15 years for the presidency.

Reagan won second term with 37 percent of the Latino vote. Reagan drops an amnesty bomb during that term. Result, Bush wins next election with 30% of the Latino vote. It makes no difference! Listen to me Republicans, do not be foools!!!!

Lorraine - I think you're proving my point by naming a specific few people and then "stereotyping" the entire party. That is actually exactly what I am talking about. You named Akin and Mourdock. the media covered that so much that now, when I'm saying people misunderstand most people in a party, and think blanket, uneducated statements about them, you point out a few people to prove YOUR point?!?! That's exactly what MY point is. It'd be like if people who "don't hate women" would never in their right minds vote for a DEMOCRAT, because Clinton had an affair. Is that the mindset of democrats? No respect for women or marriages? JFK?!?! John Edwards?

I would have to ad that the GOP was exposed during the RNC...that they are a corrupt organization that commits election fraud...so many voted 3rd and 4th parties!

Also, sorry. I didn't mean uneducated in the sense that someone doesn't have a certain amount of years of schooling. I meant it in the sense of the fact that there are plently of women, minority, gay, (or "white men" who respect everyone, regardless of sex, sexuality, race, etc.) whoe are repubicans, and TONS of people don't even realize this, as can be seen clearly in these forums.

mqira - good point. One thing, though, are you assuming that everyone that voted for Ron Paul in the primary voted for Gary Johnson (or Ron Paul) instead of Romney, and that everyone that voted for Romney would have voted for Ron Paul had he been the candidate? (p.s. I was on board with Ron Paul).

One need look no further than the members of GOP and the "Right (Wrong?) Wing" themselves to see why they not only lost the election, but lost badly and never saw it coming:

Peter Morrison, treasurer of the Hardin County (Texas) Republican Party, wrote a post-election newsletter in which he urges the Lone Star State to leave the Union.

"We must contest every single inch of ground and delay the baby-murdering, tax-raising socialists at every opportunity. But in due time, the maggots will have eaten every morsel of flesh off of the rotting corpse of the Republic, and therein lies our opportunity... Why should Vermont and Texas live under the same government? Let each go her own way in peace, sign a free trade agreement among the states and we can avoid this gut-wrenching spectacle every four years."

They're mostly a collection of people that are delusional. Their view of their lives, country and the World is so badly skewed and distorted with fear and a seeming ignorance, it's a wonder they can even get out of bed in the morning! They see the White Race's influence, even dominance, of the U.S. waning and the rise of plurality of race, creed and color and they can't accept it.

They live in a world that has a Norman Rockwell view of America. Basically a mid-20th century mentality in the 21st century. Clinging to a distorted nostalgia and a wish for the return to a perceived America that only really existed in Doris Day/Rock Hudson movies.

These folks claim to know what the "Founding Fathers" thought and intended and run around insisting they're the guardians of an America and ready to "take it back". They see the World in such black and white, us and them, good and bad terms.

It's no wonder they're totally dumbfounded about having lost. They don't see it the way most of the rest us do. They put up a VERY rich, priviledged, out-of-touch white candidate and foisted a Party platform that is so rigid and backward thinking that it even alienated moderate members of their own Party. Yet they're flabbergasted at their loss.

What we're seeing is evolution in progress. A classic socio-political evolution. As everything evolves, even societies there are those entities within that are either too archaic and/or too unadaptable to progress so they wither and die.

The GOP would be better suited to using the extinct Dodo Bird as opposed to the noble, long lived elephant. Change their motto to: Never Change and Never Give Up!

My new Avatar-> http://zardoz8238.newsvine.com/_news/2012/11/13/15140709-revised-gop-logo-and-motto-never-change-never-give-up

TO: Bookem' Danno who wrote:

"clwd, in no way would Reagan be considered a liberal today. He may not have been a religious zealot, but he was both fiscally and socially conservative..."

I think Reagan was at least part-liberal. He came up with profit sharing and a host of other employee-friendly programs.

I was a life-long, family-raised Republican until the Repubs started this "our goal...Obama a one term President". With that revelation, I became, and will remain, an Independent!

I didn't vote for him either time. I sincerely feel the general public has been truly duped by the "spread the wealth" notion of "Change". I truly fear the apparent "socialistic" views of this President and his advisers in this administration.

I also fully believe that abortion can not be legislated. Rape is not consentual. Health issues often drive decisions to abort or not. This great nation of ours was founded on freedom from pursecution of religious ideas. Our Founding Fathers even realised the necessity for separation of church and state.

However, since then we have allowed our religious institutions and/or their leaders to drive our politicians to override that concept. Decisions are being made because the "church" says so and where in the hell did a grown man ever get the idea that a woman's body knows the difference between rape and consent? OR that her body will prevent the growth of that fertilized egg because it was a rape?

Our Constitution states that "...All people are created equal...", yet we have, and still do, make exceptions based either on prejudice or religious indoctrination. Wake up folks...we have the best foundation any nation could ever ask for and we are ignoring what it says...we are slowly destroying ourselves by "CHANGE".

By the way, the company I work for has began doing layoffs and has said 2013 might be the last year the offer any kind of insurance benefits.

Sounds like the perfect argument for a single payer system, similar to what Germany has in place. Last I checked, that was around $35 per person, per month, for healthcare . . . which is a hell of a lot cheaper than we pay.

Of course, Republicans are against a single payer system, which is why we have the current Romney/Obama-care now . . . which was created around 20 years ago by the CONSERVATIVE Heritage foundation, and championed by the Republican Bob Dole.

Don't like Obamacare? Blame Republicans for coming up with the idea.

Can someone please explain to me why the Republican party is so obsessed with controlling women's health issues and yet they say NOTHING about men's health issues?

Since Republicans want to overturn Roe vs. Wade, does that mean they prefer writing 18 yrs. of welfare checks and/or expanding Social Services to care for the unwanted kids? If some women are "frequent flyers" at the abortion clinics, shouldn't they track the men who impregnate them and force them to have vasectomy's?

Why doesn't the GOP understand that you cannot legislate morality?

Wonder why the GOP is losing ground with voters? How about running a candidate less than 65 years old, who can actually relate to "We the People"? When your Presidential candidate thinks that middle class Americans make $250,000 per year, how much more out of touch can you get?

As long as republicans are not inclusive they will never win. They continue with hate on blacks (lazy who want free stuff), women (they want free birth control and abortions), latinos (whom they consider all of them illegals and most only think latinos=mexicans), gays (well we know what they think) and non-christians (that includes pagans, athetists), they will never get another national office. They need to understand that this country will not be majority white in the very very near future. They need to understand that they can not buy the election, which was made clear recently and they need to stop with the name calling, etc.

Indie071 - I feel like you're arguing for the sake of arguing. Are you in favor of Obamacare or not? If yes, you certainly didn't actually address the quote you included in your post. Are you saying it's bad and republicans created it, it's good and republicans created it, or are you saying it's good and democrats created it, unless it's bad, and then republicans created it?

valhallaarwen - honestly, it is people like you that drive me to participate on these boards to I can try to educate people regarding politics, people, the country, etc. Unfortunately, though, I realize it is a lost cause with some people, and that is a huge problem (in my mind) for the future of the country. I ASSUME most super liberals don't actually agree with you, and that not too many people do, but it stinks that people with your mindset try to spread it.

Just wrong - I would say that it could be argued that the republican party is trying to stay OUT of women's health issues, and that the democratic party is trying to control it.

There is NO LESSONS LEARN! The fact that Obama won was because the Democratic party is in favor of many immorality as far is the Bible is concern. The majority of American lost the Spiritual Belief. They favor gay and lesbian Marriage, they favor abortion. On the abortion issue if a women is rape she must notifide the Police have the police escort her to the Hospital and have the Doctors give the police sample of the sperm so they could keep it in their archive for future reference. Now the women could have a legal abortion. the other reason is that Obama had all of the Media in his favor except fox. The Media cover for Obama everything from Benghazi to Iran. All they show was the good end of Obama and hammer Romney. Our Constitution states that "All men are created equal" But that does mean that if I bust my a-s to build a company I have to give you my earning. Let all be equal let go to the farm and farm the land. Or you prefer to receive a check from the government fro your pretty face. I wish Obama care take affect and that every one have to pay for their Insurance. Rich or poor as we are created equal. You Liberal have not guilt in your heart but you wont live for ever. One they we will meet our creator. Enjoy all you can now because the United States have started to descend and the old saying their no empire that last two Hundred years.

askaboutet

You are either terribly misguided or really having a difficult time here. My post said exactly that the "stereotype of Republicans" was made by Republicans themselves....not the media. You said uneducated people did not understand those comments. Everyone with a brain understood what those comments meant. And how you can throw Clinton, JFK, and John Edwards into that mix is ridiculous, as long as we're talking about ridiculous stereotypes. What does one have to do with another. Are you trying to say that people should think that all Democratic Men have affairs? You can't even compare your diluted comment with the magnitude of Republican scandals of adultery, male prostitution, and Felony convictions while in office. Does that mean that all Republican men in political office commit felonies, go to jail, resign their office in shame - no, absolutely not. But you are the one who made the statement that uneducated people were fed a ridiculous stereotype of Republicans by the media....that is what I was commenting on. It simply is not true. Republicans are responsible for losing this election, plain and simple. Based on their policies, principles, reputations, lies and half-truths, and yes indeed, some ridiculous statements that the American electorate just did not want to buy and it's time for the party to regroup and get a more mainstream agenda.

askabout, I got this from another website. What about this? Got it off another thread I am on. It won't let me post the picture.

http://www.cafemom.com/group/99198/forums/read/17570605/One_last_Todd_Akin_quote_put_to_good_use?highlight=209370957#post209370957

To those who think they won a mandate. Nothing has changed in the Congress...where is the mandate?

Just why do you think there are more than two parties in the country? Maybe some people see the real issues and ignore the fluff of "social" issues that should not even be a discussion with record unemployment, record deficits, record abuses of the Constitution. Since when is it the government's job to tell me what I have to accept or not accept as "marriage"? Marriage was and is first of all a religious ceremony the state recognized. Calling a Chevy a Mercedes does not change the fact you drive a Chevy. Call it what you like but it is not marriage.

The ugliness that attends the majority of the posters from the far left will take its own toll on your party membership. The pathetic name calling, lying, innuendo, and misdirection do not serve you well. Who would want to join a party of belittlement and negativity? What happened to civil discourse and the elevation of ideas, concepts, and problem solving?

Some of us think government should never spend more than the revenue it takes in period. Some of you think deficits don't matter and budgets are a joke...fine try running your household that way but don't stick mine with your debt. The national debt today is about $53,400 per man, woman and child in the United States. Could you write a check to cover your family's part of the debt? Most of us can't and that is the problem.

Some of you think you are the bomb but the policies you embrace are bombing. Please tell me just because you have a job that 23 million others don't count. That is what you said in this election...jobs don't matter. Lets see how it works out in the next four years and then we will have something to talk about. You ignored the last four including a legal budget...lets see how that plays out shall we?

Your party may have the Presidency but unless he evolves this year and learns how to lead in a bi-partisan fashion nothing will change. The thing we will have to get used to is the blame falling on everyone not in the room. This President thinks leadership is calling a meeting and not moving toward any sense of consensus or end game. How do you move forward without a plan? Leadership is absent in a Congress that "passes bills to find out what is inside"...what do we pay them for anyway? Is it not to know what is inside and how it will benefit the American public...apparently not. If you think the ACA is great how come it raised the average insurance cost to a family about $2300.00 last year? How come the Democratic Platform calls for more money for the ACA when the program is not fully implemented yet? Could it be the Democrats know what is inside and realize the cost overruns are just beginning?

Lorraine - my point is this - why, if the three people you named said one thing that can be construed as not respecting women, and the three people I named actually DID something that can be construed as not respecting women, would the world not view their entire parties the same based on the actions of the few? I'm not saying most democrats don't respect women (I think they do) and I'm not saying most republicans don't respect women (I think they do) but with the few examples that the general public would be able to name off the top of their heads regarding republicans not respecting women, and the few examples going the other way, why is the tone so largely in favor of one side versus the other? Unless there was more involed? (i.e catch phrases like 'the war on women?')

I cannot post the picture from what the republicans said about women. That is why I put the link on there. Still convinced that republicans don't want to be in women's vaginas?

Ask, Larry Craig, Republican Sen. John Ensign and Republican Gov. Mark Sanford, Rudy Giuliani, and my personal favorite, who is a senator in my state, David Vitter.

askaboutet

I am simply pointing out the hypocrisy of a Republican party that hates a health care system they created. Although, I was talking with one Republican who, in a moment of pure honesty, admitted that the only reason they were against Obamacare was because a liberal passed it.

Personally, I think healthcare should be treated the same way the police and fire department are. Your protection from criminals, and your protection from fire, should not be a for-profit business. I believe healthcare should fall into the same category. Why health is a for-profit business, allowing people to profit off the sick, is beyond me. (Side note: not very Jesus-like either). So I would prefer a single payer system, similar to Germany. It's cheaper, and removes the responsibility of requiring a business to provide this service to people. We don't require a business to provide police insurance protection, or fire protection, to their employees (if said services were run the same as healthcare). So why do we require the same for health care? Because it is a for-profit business model instead of a community service. In my opinion, the "pros" outweigh the "cons" in a single payer system.

redvirginia,

But how about the first time in history both the presidential and vice presidential candidates both lost their home states. What does that tell you? Probably nothing right? Sad!

The tea party were a group of ordinary individuals who had a legitimate agenda. As indiviuals they had no cohesive leadership. dick armey and the kock bros. seized the opportunity to infuse them with professional rabel rousers and took over the "leadership". The original tea partiers drifted into obscurity

Under the guise of TPers dick and the kocks pushed their crap on the rest of us. The repub party needs an enema to purge from viability the likes of mutt, gingrick, trump, adelson, norquist, chaney, armey, kochs, and any other obtuse anonymous power grabbers and corps are people.

anyone running for office should have the courage to stand in front of their electorate and face the heat, and be answerable to that electorate

Glen Beck had much to do with the tea party while he was at fox news.

Indie071 - I think we actually almost agree on the issue. To be honest, though, my biggest problem with Obamacare was that I did (and still do) believe it is unconstitutional. Having a healthcare crisis, and trying to solve it by dealing with insurance (not care) is weird enough for me, but the fact that , in order to pass it, the supreme court had to rule that the federal government has the power to make people buy anything the government says, or else pay a tax, is what truly scares me the most. It's not that I don't think there is a healthcare cost problem, it's not that I don't want people who can't afford healthcare to have healthcare, it's not that I don't think something needs to be done, it's that I think what was done is CRAZY. Like you, I would prefer to try to fix the healthcare problem, and like you (I think) I would prefer to have a single-payer system over obamacare.

There is both hope and lessons for the republicans. (Im libertarian, but I just cant stand seeing Obama ruin the economy like he is, so I hoped Romney would win).

First the hope. The democrats are now still in charge of one part of congress, and have the presidency. Let them continue to spend and spend and spend, while increasing taxes and costs on families through things like Obamacare (if you dont think you will pay more in health care costs, you have drunk too much Obama koolaid.) Obama wont be able to keep blaming Bush in 2016. Yes I know he cant run again, but you are responsible for your party. People who care about the economy, and realize how bad Obama is will come to their senses in 2016. But this is only if Republicans do a few things.

1. Stop talking about rape and abortion. Even if you are pro-life, no more saying rape is God's will or legit rape or anything. We are pretty united on rape and incest as a country. Its bad, and the women affected by it should not deal with the consiquences of evil men. Focus on some type of equal pay law (the one Obama signed is horrible since it goes accross industry and not just in the company.) Women will vote for you if you shut up about their viginas. They want money for their families, your policies will give it to them, but they dont want to carry rape babies.

2. Latinos cared more about immigration than they did about the economy. This is unique in that most people care about the economy. Heavily push Rubio (hopefully he didnt run because he didnt want his name dragged down). Have him put forward and immigration reform bill that is also fair to working Americans. (Such as making the families pay all the fees and potentially a fine for not doing it illegally). But more importantly, get to work on actual immigration reform. The Dream act is a happy go lucky short term fix that helped Obama secure his win. Mainline it, and make it easier to become a legal citizen. People want to come here, either get angry when they do it illegally, or help them do it legally. They work hard. I dont want them sucking all the benefits when they dont pay into it, but I want as many hard working people to become citizens as possible. Take latinos away from the democrats, it is really quite possible and within striking distance. They like your family values, not your denile that they're not going anywhere anytime soon.

c. Focus on families. I know republicans are known for this, but they dont really do it. Focus on trying to keep families together. Increase programs and help. Start policies to help black fathers stay with their children. I know it is not all black single mothers, but the black community has a huge percentage of single moms, and their kids are the ones that are most likely to become gang members. Without a father figure boys tend to seek out other male idols. Sadly, many black youth sees only gangs, music, and sports as a way to escape their hell. This is mostly through the media. Start vital programs to help all youth in those poor areas (not just the black poor, as their are poor white people that tend to get f'ed over) to find meaningful jobs and increase opportunities. Stop calling them moochers, and try to keep their families together and give them opportunites to better themselves. Welfare moms are single moms, single moms want government hand outs, not all, and their children will side with their mothers.

4. Stop being anti science. The Earth is older than 6000 years old. It gets harder and harder to vote republican, when some lawmakers think Jesus use to ride a dinosaur. The younger generation that is growing up now believes in science. We know scientists are not from Satan (or satin) so let scientists work. Personally dont believe in evolution, fine, continue to want it out of school, loose every election from now on.

5. Go back to your roots. Fiscal conservatism. Liberal economic policies are rediculous and will never be good in the long run. You cant spend your way out of ever damn problem. But instead of focusing on less government and taxes, you focus on dumb social stuff that you are loosing ground on. Talk about the economy, screw everything else. You're not winning. Gay people are getting rights, weed is becoming more legal, illegals are going to stay no matter what. At least nationally, dont talk about this stuff at all. The younger generation grew up with gay friends, friends who smoke weed, and have worked with illegals who they tend to like. As they grow up they are going to go against you. Realize this.

6. This will be racist fyi. Do not have an old rich white guy run in 2016. I dont care if you are a genious. Put out a hispanic male or female and show you are not just about white people. All republicans are not racist, but too many are.

The best thing they can do is have Rubio put out an immigration reform bill that addresses legal and illegal immigration, shut up about rape and creationism, help families stay together (families tend to vote republican), dont dictate religion, talk about jobs now and try to get jobs now, accept gay marriage (its gunna happen), and let the liberals continue to ruin this country economically. You do that, and the liberals will be asking what happened. Dont, and you'll never get elected again.

Todd Akins quote: "If it's a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to shut that whole thing down." Rep. Todd Akin (R-Mo.)
"in that horrible situation of rape, that [pregnancy] is soemthing God intended." Richard Murdock, R-In.
"consensual sex can turn into rape in an awful hurry… something girls, they rape so easy" State Rep. Roger Rivard, R- Wi.
"in cases of rape and incest, I am still pro-life." Rep. Joe Walsh, R-Il.
"Having a baby out of wedlock is similar [to rape]. Candidate Tom Smith, R-Pa.
"On the rape thing…how does more violence onto a woman's body [i.e. abortion] make it better?" Candidate John Koster, R-Wa.
"The method of conception [ie rape] doesn't change the definition of life." VP Candidate Paul Ryan, R-Wi

All quotes by white republican men who will never get pregnant? Do you not see a problem. Trust me this defines the republican party and it's attack on women. None of these guys won.

oh, right. I'm not saying that these guys aren't bozos, or that they shouldn't have won. I was only commenting on the fact that you said "republicans" hate women, black people, gays, latinos, etc. By "republicans" I assumed you meant the "republican party" and not the handful of people you quoted in your post. And if that is the case, I would still say I think it's posts like that that are a huge problem in that they just spread uneducated, stereotyping hate. I also think it's demeaning towards black republicans, women republicans, gay republicans, and latino republicans, presuming that they must be so stupid that they don't even realize they hate themselves or something...?

Just Wrong

Great Post!!! And you are absolutely correct about Republicans understanding the "middle class" as they referenced it throughout this election. They don't get it, and Mitt Romney is the last person to understand the needs, wants, and expectations of the average American. That is why he lost the election to an incumbant in a poor economy plain and simple. The GOP lost ground with voters because they are out of touch with what most Americans want, and frankly they seem not to care. The GOP needs a lesson on how to rebuild a party as I said in an earlier post. They have become the over 65, rich guy gang, with off shore accounts and tax shelters that would make the rest of Americans vomit if they knew how much money was really hid away from taxation, unlike most americans who want to play "grand dad" to the American People as if we're stupid and push their 1950's ideals and failed policies on people who are the victims of those same failed policies. And the American People said NO this time.

Mr. Burns - I totally agree.

askabout, if you don't see what I see then you are wrong. Do you realize it is because of those who I quoted are the main reason they didn't win the female vote? I have never had an abortion, nor would I ever have one, I have never been pregnant, but I am glad it is available for those who need it. But this is a party that wants to limit or eliminate birth control. Would it be better to use birth control than to have abortions? Seriously.

askaboutet

Then we do agree on that. Unfortunately, the lobbyists in government have so much control that it will be difficult to get away from the current for-profit model.

But that is a whole different issue, entirely.

Lorraine - here are my thoughts on the $250,000 income level *FYI - I make less than $250,000*

In 2007 (the latest data I've been able to find) the 400 highest earners for the year had an average annual income of $344,000,000. If you made $200 in the year 2007, you would have made a higher percentage compared to someone making $250,000 than the person making $250,000 would have compared to the highest earners.

Put another way, if you had a football field, and the 0 yardline represented making $0 per year, and the opposite endzone represented making the HIGHEST amount of money peopel make, EVERY SINGLE TAX BRACKET would be within the 1 YARD LINE! pretty wild, huh?

I am in favor of higher tax brackets, and progressive taxes, but saying there is a fundamental difference (income wise - and therefore requiring higher tax brackets) between someone who makes $20,000/year and someone who makes $50,000/yr, and someone who makes $100,000 per year, and someone who makes $250,000 per year and NOT between someone who makes $250,000 and $250,000,000 per year is totally nuts.

Being forced to change is the choice of you all here, who vote for only one party.

Some people can't learn and for society to change, those people basically have to die off. Fortunately, the number of people who don't change, and you can see them right here on First Read, are loud and completely insignificant when it comes to voting numbers.

Media loves to pidgeon hole and that's why they like to say Obama won because race and demographics. Yet they pretended that the real issues were what the candidates were saying in regards to the economy and foreign policy. So do you really feel the need to completely trust even a vetted news source for all your information?

Don't get me wrong; I'd rather read several different news sources than read ding dong blogger who is probably hired by a campaign. But if you look at the Presidential race, only a simpleton wants to break it down to a few things. Probably, you know, so they can get on to the commercial fast. This race, we ALL know, was one because of race, demographics, gender....and a giant ton of other reasons. And let's try to remember...even if the electoral college votes were lopsides, the popular votes weren't.

And with such a close tie in popular votes, you can bet who DEFINATELY lost this election were the vaporheads who vote only for one party. Because they are too thick to actually recognize they don't hold a large voice in the country.

Val - I think that is why they lost in regards to women. But there were LOTS of women who voted republican. You saying that republicans hate women, and you saying that it makes sense that more women would vote for obama than romney are two very different things.

Mr Burns

Go back to your roots. Fiscal conservatism

Republicans also need to actually embrace this idea. The last Republican President spent more than any other Democrat before him. The idea of "fiscal conservatism" has become more of a catch phrase than an actual platform. As it stands, both parties spend an insane amount of money, they just do it on different things.

Romney is the perfect example. His plan called for adding another $7 trillion to the debt, through more tax cuts and more military spending. This is not "fiscally conservative" and it is definitely not "fiscally responsible". He should have focused on paying down the debt, NOT increasing it.

Askaboutet

My response was about your statement that you made:

The media creates a ridiculous stereotype of Republicans that uneducated people assume to be correct

I have said several times now that the "stereotype" if that is what you want to call it was created by the Republicans themselves.....not the media or uneducated people who did not understand the statements.

I don't know how much clearly I can make my point to you. In this election, it was the statements, discussion, policies, and agenda's of Republicans seeking office that led to the "stereotype" the public determined based upon those views of actual candidates seeking office. These comments back and forth have nothing to do with anything else but that. You're throwing things out hoping they stick to the wall here on this subject, but they have nothng to do with my original response to your statement. Uneducated Americans did not "buy" into the media....they listened, payed attention, tuned in debate after debate within the Republican party itself, and made a determination they did not want the agenda of the Republicans. Why else would an incumbant President win states which flipped as never before for him to win the election in this economy. It was because the Republican party had a ridiculous agenda and the "stereotype" problem they, themselves created.

JustWrong,

The GOP believes that life begins at erection. For GreyOldPukes, it is probably true.

Well, I think I see what you're saying, but I think we're talking about different things: I was responding more to the people who post on this forum that "republicans" or "the republican party" hate/don't respect women, minorities, gays, etc. Clearly that is not true, because there are many women, gay, minority, etc. republicans. So if there are a handful of republican men who made the comments, and there are a lot of minorities, women, gays, etc. who are republicans, what would cause people to come on to the forums and *believe* and *think* and *post* that the purpose of the republican party, or that all republicans hate minorities and women?

Also, what was the "ridiculous agenda" they had? to be honest, the more research I did, and the more I learned, the more I thought the agendas of both parties were actually quite similar, and on the items they didn't agree on, I thought there were democratic points which were better, and republican ponts that were better, but I wouldn't call the republicans differing points (or the entire agenda) "ridiculous"

Do republicans really wonder why they lost? First off bad candidate. He is everything i HATE in politics: an air of superiority, a perfect representation of all wrong with corporate america, his companies even outsourced jobs overseas! So you care about american workers BUT give jobs overseas all so that you would still see record high profits instead of helping your fellow american and making a little less. A person that would be involved with that is unamerican to me and surely not fit to be our president. Truth is mitt looks like he can give two shi*s for the average american worker. He thinks everyone that hasnt reached his level of success didnt "try hard" enough or is lazy. The Nail in the coffin was the 47% comment in which he alienated almost half of the country in saying that our disabled, old, mentally/physically handicaped were MOOCHING off our govt. with medicare subsidies. HOW DARE HE!! Sure there might me some phonies, but he just showed that he looks at people as money, not as americans he needs to make a good country for. I honestly wasnt going to vote, i am neither dem or repub i just hate repubs, but this comment sent me over the top. I had to vote against this jacka**. having said that, obama has let me down. I dont think he has done enough to create jobs and he pissed me off shutting down legal marijuana clinics here in CA. he alienated his voter base of progressives in that way. PLEASE OBAMA: Give us jobs help us in our time of need. Help people get their lives back together! To all those struggling right now: I feel your pain and keep perservering. Right now is trying times and dont give up do your best and everthing else will eventually follow. PEACE

If you libies think that because Barry won he can push his progressive agenda , you are wrong, Americans chose to maintain Republicans in control of the House in order to balance the powers and limit Obama from an absolute power. America is a right -center country, not a liberal or progressive. This is why Obama did not won for a large margin. obviously the Latino vote was crucial for Obama he was smart courting those votes , giving rights that legally do not have and sending the DOJ to stop any law that protect our country against illegal immigration. Spanish channels owned by Mexican corporation were on the side of Obama and his pro illegal immigration policies, Obama won the Latino vote , throwing our immigration laws under the bus..very American

ASHP - haha. I know. All the quotes you see about republicans being BLOWN AWAY, or SHOCKED by the results... I personally didn't know who would win, but when the results came out I was like 'oh, okay, so that's how it is.' I wonder what information they were going off?

This is like O.J. looking for Nicole's murderer.

HA! iknowzero, I have to ask (because I have actually not heard that before) did you make that up? or is it a phrase I somehow just have not heard before?

Lesson #1: Represent 100% of Americans, not just the top 1%

It really sounds like the party is out of touch with reality as I see some 20 states are now passing petitions to sign to leave the Union.

Which is a ridiculous idea! Then again, every state in the South has signed on to that idea, and those states are amongst the biggest takers from the federal government:

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2011/11/states-federal-taxes-spending-charts-maps

So why not let 'em go and take from Texas instead?

Listen to me Republicans! Dont be fools

Oops...too late!

What crushed the GOP was Romney picking Ryan as VP, the rightwing TeaHaters and supporting Tax cuts for the 1% !!!!!!!!!!!!

Republicans need to promise more free stuff.

People Get free phones through the government, you say free phone and a Rifle.

47 million on food stamps, well we will give 80 million people food stamps. If you aren't rich you deserve food stamps. I think food is a right.

We pay everyones college bill, free education.

Latino's - No borders we will just let it be a free for all. Call Mexico the unofficial 51st state. No Border fence, no border guards.

Health care, hell we will pay for all of that too, free health care for all.

taxes - Well to pay for all that stuff we have promised we will have to tax everyone almost 90%, but screw it, whats a few more trillion debt, after all we are already over 120 trillion dollars in unfunded liabilities what's another 100 or so.

Women - Get two abortions and the third one enters you into a drawing for a trip to Disney Land. (You might not want it seeing how you keep killing your unborn kids, but hey it's there anyway.)

There! Beat that liberals!

The Liberal should thank Hurricane SANDY and NJ Governor Chris for Obama win as Chris Mathew said.

Too show you just how clueless the GOP/Tea Party are; the vast majority of Latinos/Hispanics are Conservative Catholics...you have to really be an @!$%# to offend your own base to the point where they stick it to you when voting. The Right-wing really does not get just how offensive and rude/hateful they are.

Kornfed; how is life back there in 1981...man, I hated Disco.

What did Democrats do after not only losing the election in 2000 to Bush, but then losing again in 2004 in worse fashion. The y lost more seats and lost the presidency by a larger margin. Did they become more "moderate"? No they became more crazy and more left wing. After eight years of Bush everyone had gotten enough and turned to Democrats even thought they had no new ideas they hadn't already mentioned in 2004. After eight years of Obama and the Democrats the country would probably elect a mountain goat if it agreed not to be liberal.

redvirginia - it really is people like you who are helping to ruin the reputation of the GOP. You have made 2 comments that contain no facts and a lot of inflamatory lies and misinformation. I know so many people who were pushed toward Obama after seeing these sorts of statements on comment boards, Facebook, and in ads by the super pacs and felt the need to get educated on the facts. They realized that all of the propaganda put out there by the "right" was untrue and migrated to the party who didn't push the hate and lies.

Interestingly enough, I was reading an article yesterday on the conservative Washington Post website about the effectiveness of negative advertising. The 2 examples of negative advertizing they gave that worked were both pro-Obama ads: one about Romney's comments on the auto bailout and another about Romney being a corporate raider. The example they gave for what didn't work was a pro-Romney ad that attacked Obama about the economy and placed the blame entirely on him. As many commenters correctly pointed out, the pro-Obama ads were mostly true with some exaggerations. The pro-Romney ad was mostly false with just a hint of truth. And, by the way, in my book an outright lie is completely different from a campaign promise that an elected official isn't able to keep, as long as there was an effort by the official to keep the majority of his promises. I would feel that way about any official no matter the party affiliation. I can't imagine that there has been any president who has been able to keep all campaign promises, no matter how great his intentions.

I've thought all along that, while I wished the economy was improving faster, that Obama was doing a pretty good job considering what he started with. All the negativity and blame directed toward him definitely made me more of a "crusader" for him than I would have otherwise been. I felt that people like you, redvirginia, weren't out there posting this stuff to because you read a fact somewhere and had to put it out there, but were just completely uninformed and sadly believing and passing on the "misinformation" put out there by others. I can't tell you how many comments like yours I saw on Facebook, where I just responded with a politifact showing to show the poster how off base their post was.

@askaboutet I don't think I made it up - it's real. I remember after OJ was acquitted, he said he was going to spend his time looking for Nicole's murderer.

You liberals are very very Intelligent but have a Brain the size of a penny. I think you have been spoil so much with Liberalism that you are driving yourself to Socialism by mistake.

Too show you just how clueless the GOP/Tea Party are; the vast majority of Latinos/Hispanics are Conservative Catholics...you have to really be an @!$%# to offend your own base to the point where they stick it to you when voting. The Right-wing really does not get just how offensive and rude/hateful they are.

Yes we are so rude and hateful asking our country to enforce it's immigration laws. How crazy!

Conservative Catholic my a$$. Yes most Mexicans are Catholic, but when they have a choice between free stuff, looking the other way when they break the law, and personal responsibilty and enforcement of the law, well it's not a hard choice. Remind how great it is when you get hit by a car driven by an illegal with no insurance.

We pay everyones college bill, free education.

Actually, in countries where public education is extended through college, it is CHEAPER to go to college than in America.

So although your taxes pay for everyone, including yourself, to go to college, over your lifetime you will pay around $10k for that education. In America, where you only pay for yourself, you will spend between $30k and $80k for college (and sometimes more).

For your wallet, which is more "fiscally responsible"?

Hey DG_W; this new computer is giving me an ulcer - trying to get everything on this monster "D" drive is a nightmare. The worst part is I have no sound on either Itunes or Microsoft Media player - that was the whole point of getting this monster PC...oh well, I'll get it eventually.

Sorry for the derail folks - I can only do politics in short spurts these daze...lol.

Companies plan massive layoffs as Obamacare becomes reality

Welch Allyn, a company that manufactures medical diagnostic equipment in central New York, announced in September that they would be laying off 275 employees,

A short list of other companies facing future layoffs at the hands of Obamacare:
Smith & Nephew - 770 layoffs
Abbott Labs - 700 layoffs
Covidien - 595 layoffs
Kinetic Concepts - 427 layoffs
St. Jude Medical - 300 layoffs
Hill Rom - 200 layoffs
Dana Holding Corp. "$24 million over the next six years in additional U.S. health care expenses".

Stryker
One of the biggest medical device manufacturers in the world, Stryker will close their facility in Orchard Park, New York, eliminating 96 jobs in December. Worse, they plan on countering the medical device tax in Obamacare by slashing 5% of their global workforce - an estimated 1,170 positions.

Boston Scientific
In October of 2009, Boston Scientific CEO Ray Elliott, warned that proposed taxes in the health care reform bill could "lead to significant job losses" for his company. Nearly two years later, Elliott announced that the company would be cutting anywhere between 1,200 and 1,400 jobs,

In March of 2010, medical device maker Medtronic warned that Obamacare taxes could result in a reduction of precisely 1,000 jobs.

It also means a near immediate impact on the economy. With 20 or so new or higher taxes set to be implemented, ranging from a $123 billion surtax on investment income, through the $20 billion medical device tax, all the way down to the $600 million executive compensation limit, Obamacare will be a nearly unbearable tax burden on the economy.

WHAT VICTORY LOOKS LIKE!

Actually, in countries where public education is extended through college, it is CHEAPER to go to college than in America.

So although your taxes pay for everyone, including yourself, to go to college, over your lifetime you will pay around $10k for that education. In America, where you only pay for yourself, you will spend between $30k and $80k for college (and sometimes more).

For your wallet, which is more "fiscally responsible"?

You're absoluty correct, it would be more "fiscally responsible" to have free (or tax payer paid) education. I'm all for it.

Since I am an independent, I can give them some obvious advice, without any fear that they will take it.

DO NOT NOMINATE A CANDIDATE WHO IS NOT A REPUBLICAN!!!

Otherwise, republicans will not like him.

Logic Required; companies have been trying to reduce Health Care costs for 15 years (that is when my old employer started), Obamacare is just an excuse to get rid of top wage earners. Those employees who were making $25K a year are now making $60K a year for doing the same job - they are the ones killing companies these days. All Chiefs and no Indians...but just try and live on an Indian salary now.

PS; I'll bet billions are being stolen from employers whos employees spend half the day on the Internet - there is your Health Care cost right there.

kornfed said:

Listen to me Republicans, do not be foools!!!!

LOL!, WAAAY too late for that!

As I see it, republicans are stupid, democrats are immature and independents are gutless.

Logic Required; I'm married to a Latino/Hispanic woman - their entire family is totally Right-wing in their beliefs - and they were all born in the USA, not a one of them is getting any free stuff...try posting with logic instead of your emotions next time. Oh, and only their parents vote GOP - all the rest of them vote for Liberals - for only one reason - GOP/Tea party hatred toward them.

@logic;

Lets just take a couple of examples off your list, Dan holdings, which you left out.

In the year ended December 31, 2011, weincreased sales by 24 percent over theprevious year to $7.6 billion. Net income reached $219 million, compared to $11million in 2010. We generated free cashfl ow of $174 million on adjusted EBITDAof $765 million; the latter represented a 38-percent improvement over the prioryear and a 10.1-percent margin for 2011.

You will sit here and tell me they can not afford Obamacare? lol. The corporate bonuses alone would take care of their people. Like I said earlier jus an excuse to trim the fat.

Now lets look at stryker;

Former Stryker Corp Chief Executive Stephen MacMillan, who stepped down suddenly
last month for family reasons, received $5.5 million and stock options that
could be worth more than 10 times that much as part of his resignation
agreement, the medical device maker said in a securities filing

This company is worth billions. They will say they cant afford Obamacare but give those leaving them 5.5 million dollars? This is not all he recieved there is more. Smaller businesses that use the incentives and subsidies will not suffer either. Many are panicking saying may and might .

These companies you list can work with the ACA, but when you shell out millions to individuals for pretty much nothing, then lay off others this is simply wrong.

lol, reading through posts, it seems way too many people are still overly dependent on liberal media and there "spins" on reality.

Fact:

1. President Obama won by the least margin of any incumbent to win re-election.

2. Past 2 elections, there have been more Republicans voted into Democratic seats in Congress than Democrats to Republicans.

3. Republicans won several key positions in Latino majority areas.

4. Democratic voters make up more than 52% of the registered voters, and approximately 10% of the total Democratic voters, cast their votes for Romney.

5. The laws are mad in the Legislative Branch, NOT the Executive Branch. With Republicans with majority vote in one of the two houses and only 7 votes shy of the majority vote in the Senate... President Obama needs to depend on Diplomacy to do anything. Of course, he has proven that this is not his strong area.

6. 4 key cabinet positions now are preparing to be changed... all 4 require Senate confirmation... Wonder what bargain Obama is going to have to strike to prevent his picks from getting approved?

But side notes... if Obama tries the "Executive Order" angle, again, he is going to need more than the 51% majority in Senate to support it...

@logic;

A short list of other companies facing future layoffs at the hands of Obamacare:

I did see Dana holdings but not at first.

No sir this is a short list of corporate barons that are ready to lay off others before they lose their multi million dollar bonuses they recieve each year for sitting on their arse most of the year. Obamacare has became a scapegoat for many to layoff or close up shop and head to Hawaii. I am not buying it.

The last time I checked good health was priceless.

As for ACA... MSN-NBC published an article yesterday about Wal-Mart raising premiums. To the point where employees are choosing to opt out...

Really going to suck for them when they get the Tax bill for not having insurance. Funny how most people that don't have health coverage, are that way because of the cost... and ACA just gave the Underwriters more reason to raise rates, meaning more Middle class stuck between the rock and the hard place... pay more for the benefits they had before ACA... or pay the heft tax (fine).

Make no mistake, larger companies have had benefit packages for years. It's the smaller guys that had to really watch their purse strings. Now the large corporations are getting another tax write off (for nothing new), and the small business (once the waiver period ends), will get the shaft.

Just wait for the end of year numbers... so far the total of 55 National companies (including NBC and NBC Universal) have announced lay offs since election day....

Already shaping up to be a depressing Holiday Season for over 75,000 citizens and their families... wonder how that will affect the stores, as well... Well, when you consider that the average household is 4 members, that's over 300,000 average people that will have a lot less per person purchases...

Hey J.P.! How's life in the City Dump?

Lesson Number 1: Abolish the electoral college so the candidates can campaign to the majority, and not demographic groups that occupy the most populous areas of the states with the most electoral votes. Just look at the gap between popular vote and electoral vote! Obama would still be the president elect, but the issues would have been much different. And both parties would have had to address illegal immigration from the viewpoint of the majority of citizens.

Request to republicans. Get in touch with reality before opening your mouths!

@ljs;

Just wait for the end of year numbers... so far the total of 55 National companies (including NBC and NBC Universal) have announced lay offs since election day....

Ha, Do you know how much these companies are worth?lol. When and if they lay anybody off, it will be for other reasons not Obamcare. What a perfect way to not look like the bad guy. A company that is making astronomical profit each year has no right to blame the cost of health care for lay offs.This as other things hard to stomach will pay dividends in the future, as far as more insured and a healthier America.

Already shaping up to be a depressing Holiday Season for over 75,000 citizens and their families... wonder how that will affect the stores, as well... Well, when you consider that the average household is 4 members, that's over 300,000 average people that will have a lot less per person purchases

You as logic kid yourself. People are expected to spend more this year. Keep spreading the gloom and domm there buddy.lol WOW.

The National Retail Federation, the nation's largest retail trade group, said Tuesday that it expects sales during the winter holiday shopping period in November and December to rise 4.1% this year.

CoralTaxi. Scapegoat? Seriously? So, people are dropping their employer provided coverage, employers are dropping the coverage for part-time employees and coverage has jumped up more in the last two years, than the previous 4 years combined?

Hate to break it to you, but once you get away from the Pro-Obama supporting media, it's quite clear that the middle class is becoming the scapegoat for liberal failed agendas...

try actually checking what the the very Management is saying, NOT what the media is trying to censor and sell.

There is a reason why 39 National Companies announced layoffs within 48 hours of Obama's announced re-election!

But for those unsure what I mean, many companies were holding off layoffs, in hope Obama would lose and ACA requirements would would not be as harsh as they are expected.

Business' MUST protect their bottom line... if they aren't making money, they aren't in business, period.

Any business that benefits from consumer purchases SHOULD be hiring for the Holiday Shopping season, NOT laying off... yet, even they are.. which is much more frightening than ACA...

Coral,

I know logic is not a liberal thing, but you realize that companies do stuff to maximize profits right? And if Obamacare is going to make hiring that 50th person that much more expensive, they wont.

You never checked because it does cost money. But dont worry, the gubnet is gunna give yous and all yees brothas mo handouts. (I did that last part because i find it fun to type like that. lol)

I am sure republicans appreciate all the free advice from liberals. Why are you liberals so concerned about republicans getting more votes? Are you all thinking of switching to the conservative side? Let me ask all of you on the liberal side of the aisle, what do you need to do to keep this country from going down the path of greece and spain and becoming the failed european model that you seem to admire so much? Talk is cheap, but whom will you blame when the economy comes crashing down around your heads? The europeans always thought they were so superior to the backwards americans, but they are beginning to sing a different tune. Greece is cutting spending to the point where it hurts the freeloading society. Their answer is to riot and burn down the country. But in the end, the only thing that will save the country, and that will also be true for the USA, is to start living within their means. You can call the conservatives stupid and backwards thinking,but in a few years, you will see where you were wrong . Like in your own home, you can stretch a dollar so far, and you have to live within your means . Tax payers will carry a runaway govenment for so long before you see a revolt among the voting population.

And among the three-fifths of the Nevada electorate who believe that most illegal immigrants working in the United States should be offered a chance to apply for legal status

Can someone PLEASE tell me what part of WE ALREADY OFFER A CHANCE TO APPLY FOR LEGAL STATUS, don’t people understand?

Good God, here’s the link:

http://www.us-immigration.com/index.html?referrer=adwords&gclid=CO2fmavLzLMCFexFMgodwwIArw

Hell, you can even get it in different languages from Arabic to Vietnamese.

We are a nation of laws. It’s not the American citizen’s fault that our government has been dysfunctional for decades regarding enforcing our immigration laws. All Americans regardless of race, color or creed support our laws being enforced. This support extends to the enforcement of violations by employers and their subsequent punishment, this has been ignored for decades. The naturalization process can take from 6 months to a few years, depending on location.

Having said that, the biggest problem we have is the time it takes to process the citizenship application. Illegal aliens are overwhelmingly peaceful people who are not involved in violence or crime. They come illegally because there is no expedient legal way for them to gain citizenship. Simply telling illegal aliens to leave has not worked for nearly 50 years. Condoning their lawlessness with any form of amnesty is not an acceptable solution either.

From 1942 to 1964 we had the Brocero Program, a lightly regulated guest worker visa program, which helped illegal farm workers into the legal market. Nothing resembling the Brocero Program exists today. Earlier this year a group of Texas conservatives led by Brad Bailey and Jacob Monty began promoting an idea they call the “Texas Solution”, essentially a guest worker program for temporary migrants. This will allow more access and time to obtain full citizenship in areas where immigration is necessary.

Requirements include passing a criminal background check, pay any immigration fine, carry private or workplace health insurance, waive government assistance, know English, pass a civics class and be subject to payroll taxes. This is similar to the McCain/Kennedy reform in 2007 that Barrack Hussein voted against by voting yes for the Dorgan amendment which was a poison pill amendment, essentially gutting the guest worker expansion provision and drove it to a 49-48 loss with Obama’s support.

The prevailing arguments have been that with an unemployment rate of 8% it is counterproductive to allow in more temporary workers. The problem with this mentality is that unemployment is not uniform across all sectors of the economy. Both the low skilled and high skilled sectors show very low unemployment and a huge demand for employees that are being unfilled. Unemployment in engineering and similar high skill sectors is below 5%. On the low skilled end, California farm workers are the scarcest they’ve been in a generation. Despite an unemployment rate of over 10% Californians are not rushing to the fields in search of employment. The Western Growers Association has said that its members are reporting a 20 percent drop in laborers this year. Stricter border controls, fewer opportunities in construction, and the lack of a workable guest worker visa are keeping these demanded workers away.

Most immigrants are drawn to America by our Constitutionally mandated freedoms and economic opportunity. Many immigrants did not, could not and wouldn’t ever achieve either of these benefits we all take for granted in their own countries. Immigration from Mexico has stopped or even reversed since the housing collapse. Many Mexicans, including illegal aliens, came here because of the growing construction sector and other collateral sector growth. Since the economic collapse at least as many Mexicans and others are leaving as are coming in.

Contrary to popular belief conservatives don’t want dirty air, dirty water, nuclear waste in your childs bedroom, barefoot women pregnant in the kitchen or all people of color deported. What we do want is a government that performs its Constitutionally mandated responsibility. This includes, first and foremost, protecting our borders and guaranteeing us protection from foreign and domestic enemies. Federalism demands that dual-sovereignty between the federal government and states be enforced, not abrogated. Fiscal responsibility does not include spending at 24% of GDP while revenues only account for 18% of GDP. Free-market principles, if allowed to drive our economy, have proven to create the growth, wealth, prosperity and standard of living we are accustomed to.

The convoluted indoctrination of the American population with political correctness has done more to divide our nation than any president or ideology. Allowing us to be divided by simple hyphenation is a primary example of the idiocy of political correctness. There can no longer be any African-Americans, Hispanic-Americans or any other bastardization of our great countries name, there are only Americans. When you immigrate here and become a citizen, you accept our laws, our culture and our society. You can respect your heritage and country of origin but never can you be anything other than an American. When we accept this basic order of citizenship we will once again be a prosperous and free nation. Until then we will be divided and mediocrity will overwhelm us.

Our great Republic is not white, black, brown, yellow, red or any other color of the rainbow, it’s American.

Coral Taxi... The National Retail Federation, the nation's largest retail trade group, said Tuesday that it expects sales during the winter holiday shopping period in November and December to rise 4.1% this year.

Seriously? You really don't get the idea of impartial, do you? Yeah, umm, NRF is historically over estimating... it's on purpose, meant to encourage shoppers.

Sort of like when a coach talks to the media, he knows his team is going to probably fall last in the league, yet say "We expect great things this season"...

Thry looking at WHO is laying off, and what they are saying, not what you wish to hear. It will be easier to handle when reality hits. Writings on the wall, ignore all you want...

Fact is, you can dream, scheme, lie or make excuses, will not change the truth. Heck, you can even ignore it. Kind of like ignoring a charging bull, pretend it isn't there will actually make it hurt more, not less.

Obama cornered the welfare vote! gay whites, Minorities, single sluts with children and illegals all voted for Obama! There is a lesson here but it does not matter. Obama has so many people dependent on government handouts that a Republican can no longer win with the working class and family values vote!

It's all what you can get for nothing. The recent demonstration be Latinos proves the point! Now they want Obama to allow the rest of their families to come to the United states and jump on welfare! It is a price he will gladly pay because it means a quicker destruction of the American economy and a certain path to Socialism!

This is the first time that people have voted for the person who will certainly kill their way of life!

CoralTaxi. Scapegoat? Seriously? So, people are dropping their employer provided coverage, employers are dropping the coverage for part-time employees and coverage has jumped up more in the last two years, than the previous 4 years combined?

They do not have to drop coverage for anyone.They can do what they want. This problem has been a problem for many decades, The next guy will fix it. The next guy will fix it.The buck stops here. They can either bite the bullet and work with the law, or they can take the easy way out and lay people off. This does not have to affect their "bottom line" if all forms are filled out and and exemptions and subsidies and incentives are used properly. I posted earlier exactly how this will work.

Seriously? You really don't get the idea of impartial, do you? Yeah, umm, NRF is historically over estimating... it's on purpose, meant to encourage shoppers.

I proved you wrong sir, just get over it. Do you wish for this holiday season to be bad so you can be right?lol There are many other sources that forecast a bigger season this year.

@ MR Burns;

I know logic is not a liberal thing, but you realize that companies do stuff to maximize profits right? And if Obamacare is going to make hiring that 50th person that much more expensive, they wont.

How fitting your name is sir. When more small businesses understand the law better than more will become more affable to it. Does Obama care need tweaking to lessen the impact on employment? Could be. My point is that people are jumping the gun, in laying off or shutting down over health care issues, that are not made to hinder, but make healthcare available to millions who do not have it but should have it.

maximize profits right?

And minimize the people right?lol

Here Fred here is your yearly 10 mil bonus, now go to factory #4 and layoff that dead weight sir.lol Tell them Obama did it.lol

Republicans lost the election primarily due to the fact that over 50% of the people in this country believe that government is the answer to thier misery.

When I saw the interviews of hurricane Sandy victims in Long Island I had to laugh. Not that their situation is comedic, Only to the fact that poor planning on their part no lead to their situation.Now that they are in a bad situation it is the government they turn to for help. I live in an area hit by Sandy. We were without power several time for many hours. I have a backup generator and altenative sources of power generation. I lost no food, and had plenty of fuel on hand for extended outages. Not poor planning on my part.

The other bigger reason Romney lost the latino vote is due to the culture of latino's. Their whole life prior to coming into this country, they see government as the way to prosperity. Hand outs from the government weigh's large in their eyes. In time many of the more successful latino's come to find out the Demopcrat party is only holding them back with their hand out mentality.

Yeah, I love Mr Burns from the Simpsons. Is that the point you were making?

Im sorry you are so ignorant of Obamacare Coral. Again, if you simply read it, you would see that it costs companies to have over 50 employees and encourages small ones to drop their employees. It will also raise the cost of insurance for working age people since it levels out costs based on sex, age and pre-existing conditions. This means a healthy 27 year old (people younger can stay on their parents insurance if they have it) will pay as much for health insurance as a 60 year old with cancer. Yeah, this will really help the middle class.

And sorry Coral, but this is not socialized healthcare. Hell, Id rather have that over this mess. It forces you to buy from insurance companies, and does nothing to cut down on their costs. Instead of focusing on health costs, it just makes everyone buy it, then evens out the cost to everyone regardless of the need or want of said insurance.

A simple third grade education in economics would show you this. Yes I know they dont even teach economics in third grade. Thats my point.

:)

askaboutet

thank you for your answer, but look at the women who voted. A lot of these women do not have minds of their own who voted for Romney and that reminds me of the Stepford Wives, the original. Yes, I am saying that those women who voted for Obama have their own minds and can think for themselves. Yes, I know I am saying republicans hate women and it is due to their stance on abortion. Wouldn't a better way to get to women to vote republican is to tell them that they have control over their own body and choices? Wouldn't they think that it is better to have birth control available than to live in denial that sex does not happen even though girls/women do get pregnant. What kills me is that when a girl/woman is pregnant, that they want her to be forced to have the baby regardless of circumstance. That to me is wrong. No woman/girl should be forced to carry to term against her will. And then those same women who are told that every life is precious, is treated like crap, if she is single, and accused of wanting to take take take from the government because she is no good because she is having children. So where is the help for those who listen to those in the republican party and have the child. So why aren't those same folks who are so against abotion not going crazy when these same girls/women (for whatever reason some hid the pregnancies) that the republicans feel they should be so proud of, and then kill the kid the minute they baby is born in secret? I guess we should let them get away with it huh?

Here is the truth, like it or lump it. Democracy was developed by the Athenians several thousands of years ago. It failed then.

Repubs want a lesson? Stop treating libertarians like idiots and outcasts. You lost the popular vote by almost exactly how many of us voted or Ron Paul in the Primaries. Guess what? We'll enjoy watching you lose elections until you nominate our candidates. You could have taken Ohio with us on your side (check the numbers), and the same can be said for many close States. We lost you the McCain election, we lost you Romney, and you'll keep losing until you get it through your head: We're principles over Party. We're the future...your social issue tyrannies are just about over.

It's individualism or bust.

It's easy to win an election. Just promise to take everything from the people that work and give it to the ones that don't. That will work until the ones that are productive finally give up.

The only lesson the GOP can take from this past election is that the first one to order amnesty for illegals wins. It's simple...Obama ordered amnesty for illegals to get the latino vote.

ProIndividual-3906907

Repubs want a lesson? Stop treating libertarians like idiots and outcasts. You lost the popular vote by almost exactly how many of us voted or Ron Paul in the Primaries. Guess what? We'll enjoy watching you lose elections until you nominate our candidates. You could have taken Ohio with us on your side (check the numbers), and the same can be said for many close States. We lost you the McCain election, we lost you Romney, and you'll keep losing until you get it through your head: We're principles over Party. We're the future...your social issue tyrannies are just about over.

It's individualism or bust.

lol. You absolutely clueless twit. Libertarians will NEVER have impact on elections except splitting the conservative vote and ensuring liberal success. By not voting for Romney, you only helped Obama win...which would be the greater of the two evils to a truly interested in preserving liberty.

As "Toredown" above, at post #1.4 said; "You just can't change a rancid turd". "Toredown" is correct. The republicans will not change, nor are they looking for ways to change. They are though, looking for new schemes to deceive and dumb down the electorate in more effective ways. Ways to construct better illusions in support of their "sham shod" Governing practices. At present, they are looking for a new feed for the bulls, which will yield shinier, and longer lasting turds, but with a more agreeable stench. Having dealt in that particular material since the inception of that party, and considering the amount of people who have historically toted the sacks for them, I certainly would never count them out. Anyone who does only misses being a fool by a hairs breadth.

IWonder-932455

Here is the truth, like it or lump it. Democracy was developed by the Athenians several thousands of years ago. It failed then.

But remember, we are NOT a Democracy, we are a Federal Constitutional Republic with a Representative Democracy.

The Framer's understood the historic perils of a Democracy. They understood that in a Republic the Rights of the ultimate minority, the individual, are protected. They spoke openly about the "excesses of Democracy" and the ultimate danger of "Tyrrany-by-Majority" that a Democracy inevitably devolves into.

Unfortunately our criminal Public Education system never teaches our children the differences and they go through life obtunded by the belief we are a Democracy. The problem is that Americans are not taught the difference between the type and form of government we have.

The type is a Reprsentative Democracy which simply means we have periodic free elections. The form of government is a Republic. They are not only dissimilar, they are antithetical.

Bookem' Danno

clwd, in no way would Reagan be considered a liberal today. He may not have been a religious zealot, but he was both fiscally and socially conservative. Nixon was a liberal and of the wing of the republican party (the democrat lite wing) that thinks the federal government should be involved in every social aspect of peoples lives...just do it more cost effectively than democrats.

You are absolutely incorrect. Ronald Reagan knew how to compromise and did. He also raised taxes 8 times. Both of these would have gotten him primary'd by the uber-reich wing. Grover Norquist would have taken him out. To the best of my knowledge there is not past Republican president that is "conservative" enough to run in the new unimproved Republican Party. I doubt even Calvin Coolidge could run today.

Brokan Danno,

You are so out of touch with reality and the facts. Go back to FOX and get the slanted news that they lie and call "Fair and Balanced!" LOL!

Jim Spence,

You are back? I thought that you were the one forecasting a Romney win last week Tuesday? (You must have been celebrating like I was and 63,000,000 other Americans were!) You sure were wrong and big time.

It is nice here in Wisconsin to have the new Speaker of the Senate say he is a moderate and is sick of the polarization in our state ( Thanks to Wacko Walker) and Vos will work with Democrats

Jim Spence,

You are back? I thought that you were the one forecasting a Romney win last week Tuesday? (You must have been celebrating like I was and 63,000,000 other Americans were!) You sure were wrong and big time.

It is nice here in Wisconsin to have the new Speaker of the Senate say he is a moderate and is sick of the polarization in our state ( Thanks to Wacko Walker) and Vos will work with Democrats

CORAL TAXI ..... just want to say what a wonderful job you are doing... but think you are preaching to a wall. It used to be a norm in business,( I'm pretty old) I think pretty much all businesses, that employers "took care" of their employees and got back in productivity everything they' invested. Then, NAFTA and the search for cheap labor who didn't understand such a position became the new norm... and it seems to me things have split dramatically, with huge profits going to owners, and workers being used and thrown away at the end of the day.

I'm not going to use the word 'moral', because I don't want people to put the "r" word in my mouth so I'll say, I feel it's not a particularly "ethical" business environment we live in. It's no longer about the 'bottom line' but rather how outrageous the final $$$ count is. It looks like a game and we have execs who thrill themselves over unnecessary private jet use or 'corporate' dinning at only the most high priced restaurants, just to sign that check for $1,000 glasses of wine. Seems to me kind of dysfunctional in an emotional sort of way. ( I'm no shrink ) I just have to ask why? What's that about the character of the men and women who run their companies this way? My parents generation ( which seemed to have worked well for them) would have called that behaviour "low class", not at all respectable. I'd agree with them and especially when it comes to the sort of decisions these companies mentioned in your comments. It's seems especially 'low class' and not at all" respectable" to take so much compensation and deny what I've always considered the basics in compensation to workers. I'd have to think NONE of them ( well, I have to give credit to The Berkshire folks and Microsoft at least) have read history. When the 'top' oppresses the bottom, things get nasty.... and all the rednecks don't have enough pea shooters to stop a full scale revolution.... Perhaps it would be a case of "self fulfilling prophesy"? I would want to see it happen but I'm not so clueless to think it can't happen here.

Some people just need to wake up.

@ Mr.Burns

75% of small businesses in the United States have under 50 employees and Will not Be Penalized for choosing not to provide health coverage to their employees.

There is so much overreaction here. This will not even go into effect until 2014. The end result will be more insured Americans. Someone has to bend, to make this work. The ACA works for the employee more than the employer, to keep things fair.

ObamaCare means being 97% certain the ObamaCare tax increase doesn't effect your small business, but improved health care does.

@et220; Thank you .

@ Burns, Logic

The Reality of the Mom and Pop Small Business and ObamaCare

Mom and Pop Small Business will not be hurt by ObamaCare. In fact Obama's health care reform will help them to insure themselves, their families and their employees (in the current system it's hard for Mom and Pops to provide quality benefits and many don't have health insurance at all).

Moving Forward With ObamaCare for Small Business

Open enrollment for individual and small business health insurance exchanges begins Oct. 1, 2013. “Exchanges are probably the most important provision of health-care reform for small businesses because they will help lower costs and improve choice of plans.”

• If your Premiums have gone up don't worry. Obamacare has caps on how much insurance companies can raise your premiums. In the meantime some insurance companies have raised Premiums to lock people into higher rates. There is also parts of ObamaCare going into effect that make them tell you exactly why they have raised your rates. Regardless of what has happened on October 1st of 2013 you can buy an affordable quality plan through the health insurance exchange.

Obamas beginnig point was that this problem has gone on too long. Like I said earlier the buck stops here after decades of promises to do something. Is this the perfect end all? I doubt it, but it is a solution to assure most Americans have adequate health coverage.

How ignorant am I now Mr Burns? Yes that comparison was the Mr Burns from the Simpsons.

Logic, has no logic. If these companies lay these people off, they are going to end up spending a heck of a lot more for the unemployment than the healthcare. No one is saying that a company has to provide full coverage for an employee, what they are saying is that they have to offer them the option of healthcare and for most of them it is still going to be at the level that most companies pay now. Everyone knows that the more people that you have paying in the smaller the premiums for all. Things are set up so that the insurance company does not get to do what it has done in the past. Take your money, deny your claims and pay out huge dividend checks. For the most part there is now a 80/85 percent mandate of the usage of what businesses and individuals pay to insurance companies. If they dont use the money, they have to send a rebate back to the company or individual. Sorry but this is not FREE STUFF, this is money that you and your employer have paid and it should be used for just that, HEALTHCARE, not overpaid stuffed shirts.

The Latino vote is something the Republicans have to focus on in the future. But there is a group that is more even important: women.

Women aren't a minority; they're the majority. And Obama took them by almost 10 percentage points. You can't expect to win an election when you lose the biggest block of voters by 10%.

They lost the women vote b/c of a manufactured 'war on women' campaign. Let's be honest, the only war on women is abortion (and perhaps funding for contraceptives, but that's a ridiculous concept anyways). Everything else is propaganda...in no other way do Democrats support womens' rights more than Republicans.

Which is why, as a Republican backer, I am begging for my party's leaders to drop the abortion fight. It's been 40 years since abortion was made legal. Get over it. I wouldn't be surprised if dropping the positions against abortion in the party plaform would automatically give back half of that 10% lead. Stop mixing religion with politics, and start thinking strategically.

The Latino vote is another story. I actually don't think Republicans are that far off from courting large blocs of Latinos...they just need to be smarter about their approach and put in a greater effort. I really don't see why Republicans shouldn't be winning amongst immigrants. Immigrants usually champion liberty, family, hard work, etc.

Unfortunately, I don't see how the Republicans will ever make inroads in the black community.

Therefore my advice is this: focus on women and Latinos. As much as the Libera media is gloating right now, these two groups are more pliable to the Republican side that what seems to be on the surface. The poor, blacks, and gays will likely always stay Democrat. But there is hope...it's time to separate religion from politics and start championing real American values.

Sosad

they lost because ideology was more important than practicality and negotiating with Democrats across the aisle is political suicide.

That was the image as portrayed by the democrats in the news media. Romney was really a moderate with conservative tendencies.

A good post, DB Akron. You make some very valid points.

But with regard to your assessment of Mitt Romney, I disagree. Nobody really knows where the convictions of Mitt Romney may lie, how far right of center. Unlike Barack Obama who, love him or hate him, is hard to mistake for anything but a liberal, Mitt has continuously shifted his public views in response to his audience's expectations.

In Massachusetts, as a "severely conservative" governor, he championed gay rights, women's rights, abortion rights, gun control, and, of course, health insurance mandates. Push the clock forward to 2007, and again in 2011, and we ol' Mitt had shifted his belief about 180 degrees on all of these issues.

What finally happened to Mitt, was that his image as a political shape changer finally caught up with him, and he couldn't shift his image on the campaign Etchasketch.

The bootleg tape of him characterizing the 47% of the population as basically welfare layabouts who pays no income taxes, just sealed the deal.

A little different than the 50's?, yup you got that right, this country is far more DEBOUCHED than it ever was and getting WORSE, no thanks to all the crybaby liberals! and no I'm not a republican, thought I'd add that since all you liberal democrats always CRY "republican" every time someone criticizes a democrat! especially that dipstick in in office, and why are so lazy you can't even spell president and use the asinine phrase "potus"?

I hope the Republicans learned that they need to wrench the media from the deathgrip the libs have on it. That is what cost us the election.

Media bias was the killer. Spreading lies and truths spun beyond recognition is deceptive, and wrong. The media needs balance, and we have none.

I don't get this farce that the mainstream media is trying to portray - this election wasn't a landslide, it was FAR closer than they seem willing to admit. All this "Republicans hunt for lessons learned" and "wounds and gnashing of teeth" is nonsense - it really isn't a mystery. You'd think it was the first time the Republican party ever lost an election, as if it has never happened before. Is it really necessary to mislead the public even AFTER the election?

'Outsourcing' is the result of anti-business policies like forcing more expensive regulations on American companies that foreign companies do not have to adhere with.

Hey Roy, did you learn that from the same source that told you Rasmussen is the only accurate poll out there?

Oops.

Logic required,

Maybe you should be worried about getting a pink slip too. If your job were based on your ramblings here I'd put you on the top of my list. Oh, we have two large companies in my Wisconsin town and they just announced they will be hiring long term workers for 2013. Multiply that by the other towns around her and you get a draw.

More Logic needed!!!!!!

Valhall - sorry for the late response.

First of all, I believe it is fairly ignorant and short-sighted to believe that all women who vote republican don't think for themselves, and that all women who vote democrat do think for themselves. The problem with your argument, is that you presume that a woman who considers issues like foreign policy, domestic policy, constituional policy, social welfare policy, fiscal policy, etc. when trying to decide who the president is as NOT THINKING! haha.

Honestly, the argument that requiring PRIVATE companies to offer birth control as a more important issue than anything else is just insane (in my humble opinion). Birth control has never been forced to be offered before. Are you saying that all women who have ever voted in the history of the U.S. should not have voted because the only issues that they should consider were not on the table? Or are you saying that there has been a war on women for the history of humanity because there wasn't free birth control? Or are you saying that in the history of the world women have never truly been free because they didn't have free birth control? Or that it was LITERALLY IMPOSSIBLE for women to even conceive of the fact of being free until the guy that invented birth control invented it?

Look. I am in favor of women controling their own body, but I am also in favor of other things as well. I think your post basically shows that you didn't consider anything else, and that you think women who did cannot think for themselves.

About, that's where you are wrong. I care about a lot. I find it disturbing that I am discrimated by the republican party by two things, I am black and a female. I do not have kids at all, and if I did they would be born in wedlock, I don't get welfare (I did for a short time after hurricane Katrina when I got back home), I am married, college educated, currently unemployed (boss passed away and the business closed), but I've pad my taxes. I've never been pregnant, have used birth control and never had an abortion. So why is it so hard for you to think that women like me are going to vote for a party that let men control women. Why is it that viagra, which is not birth control be given out for free and not birth control for women? I see that as a problem and that's wrong. I would like to know if the private companies provides viagra for men, why can't they provide birth control. Most of the women who voted for Republicans don't have their own say in the matter. They are influenced by their husbands or church. I don't have a problem if that is what they want but they should try to think for themselves.
Yes, there is a war on women because they are saying, well we don't think women should have access to birth control because they will have sex when the shouldn't but then they say, we won't help you with that child that you have to carry to term. Do you see a problem with that? I think it is fairly short sighted to think that all women who voted democrats are ones in favor of abortions and free birth control. Not all women use birth control or have abortions. Most women who are prochoice believe in choice. I don't have kids because I can't afford them, I honestly don't know if I want to be bothered with a kid and some times kids get on my nerves. I come from a large family and I babysit quite a bit, and have been for over 20 years. Oh, this does not make me a bad person because I don't know if I want kids, this is reality for me.
The day viagra stops being allowed as something insurance will pay for is the day I will say no free birth control.

N-529260, the republicans will continue to lose if they only focus on one group. Why only focus on hispanics. You mentioned women as well. What about blacks, asians, etc. If they do not become inclusive, they will continue to lose and have no one to blame what themselves. They also need to get rid of a few folks who want to continue the name calling.

Wait till Obama lets you know, you too will need to pay to support his profligate spending, comes clean on how much more you will need to pay for medical care....

See how little Conservatives actually learned from their defeat?

It wasn't just the WH, either. Democrats gained in the House, they gained in the Senate...even in California they broke the longstanding tyranny of the minority created by Prop13. Californians elected a Democratic supermajority because it's the only way to get fiscal sanity.

wilman,

I think, and hope, that the economy will pick up next year, and by the end of Obama's second term it will be back on track, and another war started by Obama's predecessor will be over...

So hard to even think about it, right, wilman ? You people wanted him to fail so badly.

Peter. Why didn't he just stop the wars 4 years ago? Yep, that's why.

If you think the US will be out of any current war in 4 years you are something other than hopeful.

You should look up the Depression of 1920 then the Great Depression to figure out whether or not 4 more years will make a difference. Not to spoil the ending but it will not. Something bad is here and it is making its way up the class structure of the US. If you don't feel it yet, just wait a bit.

John, go ahead and enjoy your victory for the time being. But to make a comment that Dems in CA are the 'only one's' who can bring fiscal sanity to that state? Are you truly serious? The Dems have had control of CA for decades and what does the state have to show for it? Billions of dollars in debt; companies and people leaving the state becuase of taxes, welfare, handouts, and unfunded liabilities and you claim thier 'fiscally responsibile'. Let's watch CA and the rest of the country for a couple more years under Dem leadership and see what happens. Think you might be in for a surprise.

I don't want anyone to fail, but $5,000,000,000,000 in new debt, and whining about cutting the additional deficit for the upcoming year by 50%, (or 3% of total spending by the government) as though the world will come to an end, with minimal improvement in the economy, a health plan that doesn't address underlying medical costs.... Is not the way to go...

Wilman, I assume your post is referring to the presidency of GW Bush?

Guess the teflon President of the last four years, including his supporters just can't come to grips with this...

Grips with what - a resounding victory?

spellchecker2

Wilman, I assume your post is referring to the presidency of GW Bush?

Just because someone doesn't agree with Obama's policies, doesn't mean they supported the policies of GWB. I don't know about Wilman, but I disagreed with almost everything GWB did. I agree with Obama on things like gay rights, stem cell research and abortion, but I've disagreed with almost every major financial decision he's made. I've also disagreed with most of his major foreign policy decisions in the Middle East.

Why can't we evaluate people based on their actions, and not their party?

CEO's will learn that their jobs now depends on them making profits for their Company instead of having it gave to them by tax breaks or relaxed regulations. I only make about 12,000 a year, cutting my job won't make it

TO: wilman who wrote:

"Wait till Obama lets you know, you too will need to pay to support his profligate spending, comes clean on how much more you will need to pay for medical care..."

Saying that didn't further Romney's case, now did it?

Everything costs more, but the issue with me is, businesses are making record profits but are not giving raises and not hiring.

Had Republicans made the case on how to tackle that issue, he might have changed my mind.

But Republicans nominated a JOBS CREMATOR who made his millions by liquidating businesses and siezing workers' pension and retirement money, and that didn't work for me.

The ONLY thing that Romney said with conviction, passion and self-assuredness was the "47% of American's won't vote for me because....they feel entitled, entitled to food, housing and a job..." oh, and the GOP attempts to repress the votes of anyone who wasn't white and male.

Seeing as how this is about the 4th time this week that they've rehashed the same article, I think NBCNews needs to hunt for different things to write about.

@ American Girl,

"But Republicans nominated a JOBS CREMATOR who made his millions by liquidating businesses and siezing workers' pension and retirement money, and that didn't work for me."

Given the fact that the majority of those companies were headed for bankruptcy or needed capital to expand how to you square your statement to the fact that 80% of the companies made a dramatic turnaround to profitability and retained many more workers than they would have lost with a complete closure? I have studied business and make a living managing business I know the difference it makes in the lives of employees. Most of you have never had to sit in that "chair" so you don't understand all the forces that make keeping a company running a challenge.

I would love to trade places with you and just punch a clock or take a paycheck instead of creating one for me and my employees.

Lesson #1 for GOP: Try to represent 100% of Americans, not just the top 1%

Max^108 #2.16, Lesson #2 for GOP: Try not picking a VP from the TeaHaters like Ryan !!!

I'm not a republican OR a democrat because there is flawed thinking on BOTH sides of that coin. From what I see on the republican side is they favor tax breaks and or loopholes for the rich at the expense of the middle class, and are too quick to go to war, and have a generally war mongering attitude. Furthermore if they claim to be of a moral church going/participating party, then why would they have the bushes for candidates? George sr. uttered the words "new world order" which is EXACTLY AGAINST all Christian beliefs, and George jr., well what can we say about that poser no nothing mentally challenged individual. As for the democrats what I gather from their constituency or beliefs is their ANTI- MORAL anything goes attitude pushing their homosexual agenda,(notice I didn't use the term "gay" because the "true" word IS homosexual and they can't stand that word) also is their position that ILLEGAL aliens should be given LEGAL citizenship for just for not getting caught being an ILLEGAL to further their voter base among the one who APPLIED for LEGAL citizenship, (I also can't understand WHY the ones that DID do it right, side with the ones who "flaunt" the immigration laws.) They seem to pander to the baser human nature side of things, if it "FEELS" good, it's alright. That's OK, God gave us free will and he knows what and how this nation and world will do, hence the book of Revelations.

Ron, you missed my point, but at least the legacy of GW Bush is relevant to this president's performance. Propagandists on the right were trying to make the election out to be a referendum on the Carter administration.

Notsosure, for someone who studies business, you seemed to lose track of a fundamental point: The purpose of starting/running a company is to make money, not to create jobs. Only if it makes money are more jobs added to the payroll. Without the clock punchers, you'd be left holding your joint out on the street, all by yourself, without two nickels to rub together. So knock it off with the moral high ground.

Concerned Citizen-7273952

There's a problem Concerned Citizen, your previous posts are available for others to read. You're claim that you aren't a Republican may be technically correct (I have no idea how you've registered), but to claim some kind of impartiality is about as convincing as me claiming to be a neoconservative.

Jack C.

That is the same way I feel about FOX and Bengazi!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The Dems have had control of CA for decades

Wrong. Democrats have had a MAJORITY for decades, but CONTROL lies in the hands of Republicans thanks to the supermajority requirements of Proposition 13. Do your research, you'll find out that the Republican minority has been PREVENTING a proper budget in California for many, many years, including throughout the governorship of Republican Arnold Schwarzenegger.

Yeah baby, lets keep spending money we don't have... That works...

But didn't Dick Cheney say "Reagan taught us that deficits don't matter"? Go look at the video of Cheney and Edwards debate, When you guys ran up debt, it was fine fine fine. Bush tax cuts to rich created the dam debt. where the heck where you? oh yeah, you where voting for bush and his deficit lol

Bush tax cuts for everyone helped create the debt... Look at the numbers from yesterday... Increasing the deficit by 50% in four years and blaming it on a 42,000,000,000 tax shortfall is ridiculous..

42,000,000,000/5,000,000,000,000 = .84% (if you can follow the math, which I doubt.)

wilman

Bush tax cuts for everyone helped create the debt... Look at the numbers from yesterday... Increasing the deficit by 50% in four years and blaming it on a 42,000,000,000 tax shortfall is ridiculous..

I was always against the Bush tax cuts, and I still am - but unfortunately, even the Dems want to keep the vast majority of these cuts in place. At some point we need to start paying for the things we want, and stop borrowing money from future generations.

george pauljohn

But didn't Dick Cheney say "Reagan taught us that deficits don't matter"?

I disagreed with Cheney then, and I disagree with those that don't care about deficits now. We need to focus on ideas and solutions - and not on political party talking points. Until we hold all politicians accountable (even those in "our party"), things are not going to change.

Had Romney talked more about protecting American jobs earlier on in the campaign, rather than waiting for the last two presidential debates, I think voters would have thought that he had more substance and might actually be on the side of the middle class. When he finally talked about the use of tariffs, leveling the playing field, China's unethical trade practices and bringing manufacturing back to the USA is when I finally decided to vote for him. Before that, I couldn't believe what a joke he was and felt that he was the exact opposite of what middle class Americans (US Citizens) needed. It was also hard to get around Bain and that 47% comment, which just confirmed even more that he was who he was we thought he was. He came across completely different during the debates than he did during the bulk of his campaign. But even though I voted for him, I can't say that I really trusted him to enact tariffs and other measures that would protect the jobs of US citizens. Also his automatically attaching a green card to every college diploma that foreigners receive comment was an indication of how he thinks as well.

If Both Parties don't start actually doing something to fix the real problems in our country like "out-sourcing", illegal immigration, the out of control costs of health care insurance and the safe harvesting, production and distribution of much more our own natural energy here in the USA by the next election – American citizens may just have to run a nation-wide campaign to vote out every single incumbent elected official, so that maybe they'll finally get the message.

Wouldn't it be More Productive if Our Elected Leaders Started Working Together as AMERICANS for AMERICANS and AMERICA, instead of just bickering, stalling and posturing for the next election as democrats and republicans! The American People have had it with this unproductive BS! The sad thing is that both parties stink! Neither party is really looking out for the best interest of the US Citizens who elect them and who they're supposed to represent.

Perot 1992 "Jobs getting sucked out of the country" – Many people saw it back then, but unfortunately too many people bought into the spin of "BS" that we were being sold.

YouTube - Giant Sucking Sound - Ross Perot 1992 Presidential Debate.flv

And this something that most of us already knew at that time, because it was just common sense!

You may want to check this site out: economyincrisis.org

economyincrisis.org/content/protectionism-matter-self-survival#comment-6632

economyincrisis.org/content/unethical-predatory-practices

Too bad we'll never see these types of articles in the mainstream media

It's appears that the foreign interests are influencing our media as well, just watch the ABC Nightline special on Apple's iPhone and iPad products being made in China that ends with the dramatic biased comment "That you can be the nation that lines up to make these products or the nation the lines up to buy them, but it's impossible to be both". What BS propaganda! ABC has direct ties to Apple and Foxconn.

It also doesn't help us compete when these companies are subsidized by their communist government.

This week even "60 Minutes" got into the act with their BS show about US manufacturing companies not being able to find enough qualified help.

Ron: The actual fact of the matter is that the 2003 war with Iraq in tandem with near simultaneous tax cuts created the negative trend in our budget.

Don't go into a war with every 2 bit dictator that scares the T-party types and you can have a balanced budget.

That was the image as portrayed by the democrats in the news media. Romney was really a moderate with conservative tendencies.

No that was the image as portrayed by himself whatever the reality was. If he wants to be a moderate then he should act like one. Oh! but then he wouldn't get the Republican nomination. Tough luck. The Republican party needs to be fixed. If the Republicans played the fiscal responsibility game as good as they talked it, I would be a Republican. However they don't as demonstrated by Reagan through Bush II. Obama doesn't either but at least he doesn't have the wacko morality Nazis on his side.

On Wisconsin! This from Monroe!

PBP=,

I also watched here in PA, when my local Dem. congressman decided to snub the convention in Charlotte for his political future. He came from a super strong background under John Murtha. Sadly, he never realized that integrity was a major part of his backers, both in time and money, regardless our political affiliation. Discussing his decision with a pretty diverse group of my fellow citizens, we all agreed that he had lost his cache and we doubted he would represent our interests any better than the eventual repug winner, who was an unknown up to election day. When will all of them learn that polls are rigged, pundits are paid to tell what the candidate wants to here, and Pacs just don't work. This guy lost, not because the goper was a better candidate, but because people lost their trust in him. Dem or goper, it is all the same.

The conservative media over the past four years is living proof that if you spew the same messages over and over again on a major media outlet, eventually a decent following of people will believe it no matter how absurd, illogical, dishonest, bias, hateful, discriminatory, and non-factual it can be at times. The only way to fix that, is for those same outlets to preach (I say preach because that is what they do. They don't report news. They just preach.) over and over to what became their cult like following about how they went too far, how the party needs a major makeover, and how they are changing their approach to some semblance moderation, truth, and practical solutions. No more obstruction, hate, slander, and fear mongering. As an independent, I want the Republican party that we used to have back so that I don't have vote democrat across the board for the second time (My first was this past election cycle, an I usually like a mix of each party from back when they could actually compromise) in my life. But good luck getting the Republican media (which really drives the parties agenda along with the "benefactors" like Carl Rove) to do all that any time soon. They sort of started (or at least some of them have) in a way, but I can't see it ever getting to anywhere near that degree in the next four years.

The worst part is it isn't just the Republican party. Many of these problems phase almost every corner of the politics in the United States. It's just that the Republican party has resorted to bringing these things to such extremes, so they get most of the attention. But in reality they are no less biased than democrats. They just resort to much more openly extreme radicalism. The reality is that everyone needs to do better, even if the Republican party has as a whole gone farther than most of the rest of us.

Well, well. There is very little that has been said on here that couldn't also be said of the Democrats--ideologically driven, haters, intolerant to those who don't agree. I remember all the hand-wringing after Bush's second election--sounded very similar. Including threats of secession and moving out of the country.

Of course, the winning party wants to rule EVERYTHING, so their solution is for the other party to be just like them and stop disagreeing, then we can be a one-party tyranny. Wouldn't you love that, libs?

IN point of fact, the Republicans best successes in elections came when the Chrisitian coalitaion, Moral majority and Tea Party were pushing hard and rallying the people. Even as late as 2010. So we will lose if we forsake that and move center, and the libs know it. That's why they decry it so loudly.

Moving to the center never works for Repubs. Reason being: the average US populace is becoming less and less educated, and as a result, cannot comprehend economic arguments. What wins elections is emotional, sometimes irrational appeals to peoples' hearts---mostly social issues. And for the record, your average American is still revolted by killing babies and longs to have healthy family units. Something inside of us still revolts against the idea of our young people becoming sexually active at younger and younger ages. Especially amongst Hispanics and even many black,s who are basically very strong in their faiths.

So, the battle remains here: between the freebies that the government has and will use to buy these poor, mostly uneducated people, and their moral religious instincts. But economic austerity, however smart and worthwhile it is, will never persuade these folks---they just don't comprehend.

The only turd that was polished was the one who sat in the White House from 2001 thru 2008!

the Obama campaign reached to new lows in this campaign

This is a joke right?! The Obama campaign reached new lows? HOW? By using actual mathematics? By having a message that spoke to the majority of people?

You should be reminded of the countless lies blatently told by the Romney campaign....from welfare to his last Jeep ads. The Romney campaign is already being called the most dishonest campaign in modern history.

Sorry Greggy, it is precisely stupid comments like yours that will keep your party in a permanent minority for years to come.

I haven't read the article yet, but my take is, the conservatives, like Icarus, flew to close to the sun. They need to be more moderate in order to get their maximum vote.

Again, complete denial of reality from the Right. Democrats prevailed in the House. Democrats prevailed in the Senate. Democrats prevailed against Tea Party Conservatives all over the country in an economic and statistical climate in which they should have lost.

Conservatism lost...period.

917 lies from Mitt this year, and still counting. So how does anyone, of any integrity, force themselves to vote for such an accomplished and consistent liar? I guess doing that would require no morals or ethical standards, whatsoever, and clearly explains the low voter turnout this election...

GregDH, you win 'Poster Child for what is wrong with the Republican Party'. To suggest that there's something somehow 'immoral' about a President being willing to have concern for and represent all Americans instead of the 'elite few' is mind boggling. Please keep believing what you do and encourage your Right Wing friends to do the same. You'll never have an ounce of control over our country again...

Lies????

You mean like all the lies Obama told to get into office the first time???

My favorite?? 'I'll be a uniter, rather than a divider'

We now have the most divided congress in history.

You know if the republicans had shoved legislation down the dems throat, they might have been pissed also.

Keep living in your dream world. Like I said, 'Obama has a lock on the idiot vote'

Greg it is not the fault of the President that congress is divided, it is the fault of those that signed a pledge to norquist, those that followed mitch in the attempt to make the president "a one term president" it is those that used the filibuster over 130 times every year of his term (more than double of any previous term). that is who has divided ths country.

GregDH,

My favorite?? 'I'll be a uniter, rather than a divider'.

Mine too now, the vote last week proved that statement true.

Poor little GregDH-Still as clueless as ever. Just can't seem to grasp the reality that the Republican party has the same attitude and that is why they lost and will continue to lose. I'm sure they will do a lot of serious "soul searching" (ooops, sorry, soul is a black word so they probably won't really do much) in the coming months, and then go right back to exactly the same rhetoric as before. But, I wish them well, as it worked so good this time, I can hardly wait till the next election. But don't forget that they already have their "token" hispanic, Rubio, the wonderboy of Florida, who virtually no one in Florida can stand (very similar to our pinhead Governor, Skeltor) to run when they need someone of color. Now who would be a good "boy" to run as their black token.......Alan West? You remember him, the only black the Republicans can put up with, cause he has the same "uppity white boy" attitude they love so much! Oh.........he lost the election to an unknown newcomer? I wonder why?

new lows? this from the party of the swift boat assassins, from the people who called Obama "socialist, communist, fascist, muslim etc.? NEW LOWS? are out of your mind? and lets not forget the whole birth certificate thing. your party has tried every fear tactic there is, and you think we sunk low? can you be that blind.? Or are you just another right wing troll? The majority of America voted for Obama, despite the poison your party has spread. stop hating america republicans, or at least leave.

I still find it interesting reading comments that make it sound like Obama won the popular vote in an overwhelming land slide. Nothing could be further from the truth. He won by a small percentage in the popular vote.

And it seems they keep ignoring the fact that the majority of people still chose to have a Republican controlled House. Like it or not, that is a mandate as well.

You heard it from Norquist's mouth yesterday, Romney is a poopy head.

Enough said, that is the reason the GOP lost and it is business as usual for the party of hate. The GOP still hates, gay, women, foreigners, and non believers.

What's the GOP's problem? You can't fix stupid.

Leave the GOP be to feed at the trough of their own demise. The GOP is doing just fine not figuring things out for themselves.

GregDH...you can call us names til the cows come home, but the simple fact of the matter is that YOUR side lost and if you just call us names, but refuse to look at WHY you lost, you will be doomed to repeat your loss over and over and over again. The simple reason is that the SUPER, DUPER RIGHT took over your party when Clinton got elected and have slowly been destroying it ever since. If you really think that you can take this country back to the Stone Age, you really need help. Women will NOT accept other people telling them what they can and can NOT do with their own bodies...it simply is NOT reasonable to assume you can do that...the same holds true for gays...you can't go back to the last century AND you need a whole new approach to the immigration issue. So, keep doing what you have been doing and assuming the problem isn't your platform, but rather those of us who are rational, thinking Americans who just do NOT want what you are selling and we will hold the WH until the next century.

GregDH,

Continue to believe that Greg, continue down that path, good luck with that.

"The lesson is "pander to the idiot vote" "

Oh wait, you mean like Rush Limbaugh, Fox News, and the rest of the gang?

"Dems, stop trying to polish a t**d. You know the Obama campaign reached to new lows in this campaign. If you don't, you are obviously part of the idiot vote that got him re-elected."

Wait, what? Isn't the reason why the Republican party lost? You know, because they were the ones who truly reached "new lows" and the idiot vote pandered to them? I'm just glad the idiot vote for the Republican party wasn't the majority. I'm not even a democrat, but even independent like me could see how bad it was. I generally try to remove myself from party bias and vote on the actual issues. And I usually try to vote a mix of democrats and republicans. Or at least I did until the Republican party decided to stall our government to a grinding halt over one lost election cycle and what should have been a routine event. Remember the debt ceiling? I sure do, and the fiscal cliff is right around the corner. That was the final straw for this independent, and I wasn't voting for the ones who drove that. I simply couldn't. And boy do I miss the days when the Republican party wasn't like that. I want the old Republican Party back. The one from before Bill Clinton would be nice.

How bad was it? I have never voted all democrat across the board before. There was always at least one republican that I voted in somewhere to try and even things out between parties. But when those parties can no longer work together and do the jobs they were voted in by us (the American people) to do, I had to not vote for the one that was the obstructionist and the most radical. I wasn't happy about it, but it had to be done. In fact, I haven't been very satisfied with the democrats. I don't know if Obama is even the answer. But at least he and the democrats tried to run the government they were elected to run in the first place, instead of stalling it over party agenda. I can't vote for that, and neither could the majority of people in the United States of America who are not blinded to the situation by extreme right wing bias. Only the most biased and extreme person towards the right could not see how bad it was. Unfortunately, it seemed like most of them had become that biased and extreme. It was time to vote them out. We'll see if we can actually get the Republican party we used to have back, because I know that I really miss it.

How is that better than your vote is your revenge? Revenge of what pray tell?

President Obama is one of the most divisive, partisan, political
hacks of all time. No leadership, no ability to compromise, and now runs a
campaign on "revenge through your vote". Revenge of what...the inept
who have been in Congress to long or an inept President who has overstayed his
welcome by four years already? Revenge against those who believe in paying the
bills and not running record deficits? Revenge against those who believe in
budgets? Revenge against those who believe in legal government through
Congressional actions not "executive order"? Revenge against those
who believe we have gone backwards in terms of racial division since President
Obama came to the White House (supported by current research here on MS-NBC)?
Revenge on those who do not buy the lies? Revenge on those who believe the
federal government is responsible for 12 million illegal immigrants and the
associated costs to taxpayers? Revenge on those who are among the 23 million
unemployed? Is that the Revenge you declare Mr. President? If so you are
contemptible and pathetic...but your record already established that.

Just wondering how this a win for the citizens of the United States of America?

The truth is we need a viable Republican party in order to insure a vigorous, constructive debate of the issues. Unfortunately, the ultra-conservative wing of the party has way too much influence and in fact sealed Romney's fate by pulling him so far to the right. If they think that they lost because they were not conservative enough than they clearly didn't learn their lesson. They also need to rid themselves of this idea that it is only ignorant, freeloaders who want free stuff that voted for the President. The simple fact is that Obama won the ten states with the highest percentate of college graduates and Romney won, with the exception of Nevada, the ten states with the lowest number. I happen to live in one of the whitest, most affluent and most educated counties in the country. Obama received 75% of the vote here. People, like me, voted to raise our own taxes a bit because we think it is the right thing to do under the current circumstances. Romney's plan was all smoke and mirrors to me and what he was proposing has not worked in the past. What makes sense to me is too increase revenue, address entitlements, end the wars and invest the money at home, rebuild the infrastructure, enhance our system of education to prepare the coming generation for the future and reward companies for manufacturing products in this country. These are all things the current President wants to do and therefore he got my vote. I just hope that the Congress can get over their bad selves and do the work that they were sent there to do. We will see.

Etch-a-Sketch THIS, bitch!

Sarah for President!

GregDH

The lesson is "pander to the idiot vote"

Dems, stop trying to polish a t**d. You know the Obama campaign reached to new lows in this campaign. If you don't, you are obviously part of the idiot vote that got him re-elected.

You know Greg, your attitude gives me hope. It is exactly that attitude with the help of changing demographics and the conservative brain's inability to deal with change that will finally kill the Republican Party. I do believe we need a two or more party system, but the party of hate needs to die with my generation...and thank you for reminding me it will.

Thank you, libs, for proving me right.

And Greg ends with "YEAH?....SAYS YOU!!"

Nice job everyone.

Sounds just like the Democrats after Gore lost... Waah, waah, waah....

They had a reason cause he did not lose.

What happened after Gore lost? Democrats rethought their positions, started defending those that didn't need changing, went looking for better candidates, and stopped rolling over for Republican bullies.

What have Republicans done? Whined about the so-called Liberal Media.

wilman,

Another fav from rove. If mitt had got a few more million votes, he would have won.

Gee, if I had more hair, I would be less bald, if my hair was less grey, it would be the rich dark brown of you, and if I weighed less, I would not way as much. Inane isn't the word for rove, not sure what word would describe his stupidity.

wilman, problem is, Gore didn't lose. He won by 350,000 popular votes. And he won Florida too--it's the Republican Supreme Court that gave the 25 electoral votes in Florida to Bush before the votes could be finally recounted. Bush supposedly won, then, with 271 votes to Gore's 266 (which should, of course, been 291). There's certainly reason to cry 'foul' when a partisan Supreme Court decides our President.

But Romney was soundly thumped. 332 EVs to 206. And by 3,300,000 popular votes. Whining about that is just total denial and kinda pathetic...

The-COG:

You just hit what is wrong with the republican party: Karl Rove. I'll include Dick Morris and all the pollster types that are about telling people what they want to hear rather than better explaining your position.

The elections, to me, seem to be more like a 3rd grade student council election than seeking the presidency or congressional seat. I promise you there will be no more homework is akin to I promise I will create jobs. The student council does not have this power and the president (no matter what party ) does not create jobs.

3.3 million is what percent of the total vote.

Please post that enormously huge, overwhelming number.

The Republicans can't help themselves because the main part of their party is the Religious Right who will NEVER give up on their ideas of what this country should look like...so, unless and until the other wings of their party stand up and tell them to shut up, they are doomed...at least as far as getting back in the WH is concerned.

The extreme religious right would like to tear up our constitution and install a government like Iran has and have the churches rule the country like its done in the muslim world but with the born agains ruling the nation instead of the muslims. They are wanting to take away the rights of others so they can dictate. Suppose to be a separation of church and government and they are tax exempt which is illegal and against our constitution since they are pushing their beliefs on others.

I agree Steve. They posture, hold all hostage to their personal agenda yet to coninue to lie and fail the nation and the people within. One day reality will hit them and it will be a hard hit!

Did not about 10 million less people vote this time than in 2008? Again it would seem both parties lost since the total number of voters is less than in 2008. Just saying.

What the left seems to forget is that there is a rather LARGE minority (almost as large as the Democratic majority) that is opposed to the Obama/Democratic agenda.

In order to make our system of government work under these circumstances it means that compromises have to be basically no more than 55:45 or less in the favor of the majority. Such a large minority is not going to accept getting practically none of its agenda while getting a "the election is over...we won" 99:1 agenda rammed down their throats.

That is where Obama FAILED in the first 4 years, and its probably where he will fail again in a second term.

The minority views are to be represented by those who were elected by them. It's not as if the minority is outnumbered 75:25 or 80:20. IT'S ONLY a TWO PERCENTAGE POINT MAJORITY.

Though a registered democrat, I voted for sanity over Santa Claus. My instructions to my elected representatives were clear; If we are not in the majority, then get a proporational compromise and don't accept anything less.

That's the mandate folks! Obama can either get a a few extra crumbs from the cake we share or there won't be any baking done!

But Romney was soundly thumped. 332 EVs to 206. And by 3,300,000 popular votes

This time, through both art and science; Democrats went for the Throat, screw all the be polite, BS. It was funny when President Obama released the Krakens. The GOP had been tossing out lie after lie, Palin was opening her mouth - spewing vile, nastey comments everwhere and to everybody who was foolish enough to branish National hookup microphone within 10 miles of her.

Obama's Truth web site put an end to that. Every lie was called out for what it was - a lie. It got so bad that the GOP started crying it was unfair to bring out the truth when they made a false statement or comment!

There is something about Obama that makes me wonder if he is as smart as he seems - or are the majority of the GOP as brain dead as they act? Its like he has a fly on the wall ... reporting their next blunder, but then I think he's more like a Spider; he just builds the net - the idiots walk into it more or less willingly.

Step into my parlor said the spider to the fly.

No, you'll eat me, if I do that- said the fly to the spider.

So the spider said, lets compromise .. you go in first and search everything, I'll stay here by the door so you can see I didn't trick you.

OK. that sounds fair...

... those were the last words heard from the fly.

Naah, he ain't that smart. He'll be sorry when Trump comes up with the real "Birth certicate".

wilman

Sounds just like the Democrats after Gore lost... Waah, waah, waah....

The difference is that the Democratic Party will probably have generations as a viable party. The Republicans have perhaps two more election cycles. By 2020 the Republican Party is done. The best you can offer America is a pre-New Deal, Robber Baron future, and you are the only ones who think that would be a good thing.

Thus, another shining example of why the bigoted TeaPubs lost so soundly this year. Gee, why wasn't Herman Cain elected then , eh?

No comment necessary on what ScottMc has to say. I might be a fitting epitaph on the Republican Party tombstone...

What year is it where you are, Scott? 1880?

Cory Booker would be awesome!

A day? No one, left or right (or libertarian eithert) wants him back.

What I find interesting is that mose Latinos are Catholic and have much more in common with the republican platform in many ways yet they vote for democrats. Could it be that the Latinos are not interested in what is best for this country but rather what they can get from government?

Bookem',

Sadly that is what is becoming the norm in America. Everyone is "not interested in what is best for this country but rather what they can get from government?"

PLEASE keep believing that mantra...it will keep the WH firmly in the Dems' hands forever...keep thinking that only YOUR side really cares about this country and the other side is a bunch of freeloaders...great thinking on your side...NOT...too funny...you simply can NOT accept that your side has thrown women, the poor, minorities and gays under the bus and you think we just want handouts...hahahahaha...just keep thinkin' that...it works for me

Look at the signs the people are holding! IT's NOT what they can do for this country, it's what this country can do for them! To think Obama pandered so much to a group of people of a particular race just for their votes is PATHETIC!! They already take enough of what America has to give, and they want even more! Unreal!

Please tell me you think La Raza is an inclusive welcoming group that accepts everyone?

What I find interesting is that mose Latinos are Catholic and have much more in common with the republican platform in many ways yet they vote for democrats. Could it be that the Latinos are not interested in what is best for this country but rather what they can get from government?

Or could it be libertarians are right...conservatives are hypocrites. They say they're for free markets, but then nominate a candidate who says "you can't have a free market without regulation" (Romney), which is equivalent to saying "you can't have an unregulated market without regulation"...a total bunch of nonsense.

Also, you can't have strict controls and regulations on immigration (labor markets) and claim to be fro free markets. Free tradei n labor is a NECESSARY aspect of free markets. You neocons haven't read Adam Smith, Frederic Bastiat, David Ricardo, or any other free market economist...because you're so worried about being social issue tyrants you fail to understand economics (the principles you claim to be in favor of).

Wake up, read some economics books, and stop pretending to support free markets. No free market economist (a non-Keynesian) is against the markets regulating immigration as opposed to BIG GOVERNMENT regulating it.

Hypocrites. If you were really for free markets you'd be for immigration, and that would have won you the hispanic vote. Keep chasing those social issue tyrannies...it's working great. /sarcasm.

Well, well. There is very little that has been said on here that couldn't also be said of the Democrats--ideologically driven, haters, intolerant to those who don't agree. I remember all the hand-wringing after Bush's second election--sounded very similar. Including threats of secession and moving out of the country.

Of course, the winning party wants to rule EVERYTHING, so their solution is for the other party to be just like them and stop disagreeing, then we can be a one-party tyranny. Wouldn't you love that, libs?

IN point of fact, the Republicans best successes in elections came when the Chrisitian coalitaion, Moral majority and Tea Party were pushing hard and rallying the people. Even as late as 2010. So we will lose if we forsake that and move center, and the libs know it. That's why they decry it so loudly.

Moving to the center never works for Repubs. Reason being: the average US populace is becoming less and less educated, and as a result, cannot comprehend economic arguments. What wins elections is emotional, sometimes irrational appeals to peoples' hearts---mostly social issues. And for the record, your average American is still revolted by killing babies and longs to have healthy family units. Something inside of us still revolts against the idea of our young people becoming sexually active at younger and younger ages. Especially amongst Hispanics and even many black,s who are basically very strong in their faiths.

So, the battle remains here: between the freebies that the government has and will use to buy these poor, mostly uneducated people, and their moral religious instincts. But economic austerity, however smart and worthwhile it is, will never persuade these folks---they just don't comprehend.

Bookem' Danno

Could it be that the Latinos are not interested in what is best for this country but rather what they can get from government?

...and the hits just keep com'in! Are you related to ScottMC or are you simply both in the same political party. RIP/GOP

You know that all that post is is more useless propaganda which the republicans have been spreading for four years. How about telling the truth for a change and stop posting stupid ads people can debunk in about two second because we all have computers. The republicans need to move to the center and stop trying to tell people they are voting for sensible people when they are right wing nut cases. Took the forty years to get back on top the last time and they squandered their chance two unfunded wars and a collapse of not only the US economy but the worlds was the net results of their effort. If scratching your head is the effort of the day you should be pondering how in hell you got that many people to actually vote for you.

maybe, but you voted for four more years of gridlock... that's pretty bright...

Gridlock is squarely on the shoulders of Boner, Cantor, and McTurtle, and has been for 4 years now.

Say Scott - why not just borrow from your parents instead? Mittens said that was OK...

Stop arguing with Toredown. He is a brain dead Obama sheep. Country is going down hill fast with Obama steering the way and he is following the best he can.

really dude, your negro president wants you to go to college and rack up a huge bill knowing damn well there is no job for your broke ass when you complete school ....oh, dont worry bout the school bill, obama wants the tax payer to pay the bill.

and you buy into his college dreams.

I have 7 grandkids who have a 90% chance of going to college with their tuitions paid in full. Without Obama. With 5 incomes, (Me, their mothers and fathers) contributing a total of $80 a week (roughly $15 each) into a 559 plan, each grandchild will have enough money set aside for full in-state tuition by the time each child graduates from high school.

Toredown

You forgot Harry Reid.

USA - #One

Stop arguing with Toredown. He is a brain dead Obama sheep. Country is going down hill fast with Obama steering the way and he is following the best he can.

Absolutely ... listen to racists like ScottMC and Brook'en Danno. That is the very short future of the Republican Party.

When you say govern for the people, do you mean to take from some to give to others who have not earned it?

“The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to
work and give to those who would not.”

When you say govern for the people, do you mean to take from some to give to others who have not earned it?

“The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to
work and give to those who would not.”

When you say govern for the people, do you mean to take from some to give to others who have not earned stole it?

There ..fixed it..

It was not the dems who were trying to make him a one term president and we showed you that election day. So keep up the same thing then try to lie that he was a failure next election when we all know that your sides stomwalling him on everything he tried to do then blaming him for his failed policies that you stopped from even being enacted. Being a republican today is stupid cause they do not learn.

He got it pretty right the last time - this term will be even more solid.

I was really interested in Obama at first. When he promised to fundamentally change how politics were done in DC. You know, no lobbyist, bills on the internet before passing, ad infinitum.

Sadly, all he has done is politics as usual. Good thing he didn't run on Hope and Change this time.

I am gonna make a bet Obummer won't be in office for too long. Things are going to happen. I just have a gut feeling! I may be wrong, but I really think with some investigations of what he has done, we will have another President in office! Oh Oh! It's going to be Biden, oh great! NOW there's a weirdo! Couldn't even remember who the president was a month ago! THAT was funny!

and bush

Jeepgal, post noted and a screenshot sent to the FBI. I'm sure they will be passing that on to the Secret Service ....... wish I could be a fly on that wall when they come knocking on your door.

Scott believes in keeping the unpriviledged uneducated if your parents and grandparents aren't wealthy enough to pay for your schooling its just too bad. Republicans are wanting to cut off federal funds to public schools so the states will have to provide and which states will be the ones to suffer mostly the southern states will and they are the republican states and the most uneducated ones also. Only the rich will have even a high school edication.

Amir, where the hell do you get the idea that conservatives (like me) have no interest in education, women's rights, immigration reform? It's truly sad that people like you, Toredown, and others paint all of us with hate, call us names, assume that we're all 'evil-stupid' people just because we believe in a having a smaller government; balancing our budget; spending our tax dollars carefully; having a just and fair immigration policy that allows us to 'know' who is in the country for security reasons, have a healthcare program which allows people to chose their own type of care and physicans, encourages our talented young people to go into medicine for our future needs and pays physicians for their schooling, training, and experience in taking care of our people. We want SS and Medicare to survive and continue; but we realize that it must change in the future for the programs to survive. I don't want to go back and debate all the issues with you and how we differ; but to 'infer' that all conseratives are 'repuks' and other vile names is very disappointing. We love and care about our country just like you do. Just look at the comments in this blog from Dems and liberals and then you guys call us the talk 'party of 'hate'.

They listen to MSNBC to get their ideas... Its more convenient not to have to think for themselves but rather to embrace a convenient narrative that when challenged need only be rebuked by emotional fervor and not logic and substance. Anyway, I am certain when most of these fine people get out of college and get a "real job", pay "real taxes", and decide that they want to have and raise a family wherever they are they will change their tune. After all, how do you explain the fact that as people get older (and wiser) they become more conservative. Not my opinion... Just stating the facts. With that, let the emotional tirades ensue!

Jack's smirking revence

Anyway, I am certain when most of these fine people get out of college and get a "real job", pay "real taxes", and decide that they want to have and raise a family wherever they are they will change their tune.

Been there...done that and defended my Country in uniform for over 20 years. So exactly what eye opening, life changing experience am I waiting for to become a neoconservative?

No more convenient that Faux Noise Jack.

Ol_Doc, he seems to believe that if he keeps telling the lie it will somehow magically become true.

And they want to know how and why the lost so badly. There it is and they just can't seem a acknowledge that their HATE for anyone that does not think or behave as they do is something to be emulated.

Thank the Lord for being unaffiliated.