P.S. - Hey, Mitt....money can't buy happiness..or an election...as I posted the same conclusion before the election.

A clock-cleaning electoral landslide....

Now watch as the Republicans try to pretend that it didn't happen...

Delusional is about to be redefined...

Finally Floridians got something right! I can't believe all those 99 percenters who voted AGAINST their best financial and social interests when they cast a ballot for Rongmey.

Obama truly represents Americans - the way we ARE, not the way the angry white 1%'ers wish we were.

Republican leaders are killing the Republican party which started out as the abolitionist party..but has evolved into a pigotry - believing in 'government by pigs, for pigs, and of pigs - thsoe rich corporate brat pigs).

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Can losing Floridaa wake them up...or are they still live in their delusion without 2 feet on the groud of reality.

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..although I still believe that most rank-and-file Republicans credit have common sense...

Nate Silver predicted every...single...state.

So much for that GOP math that said the polls were oversampling Democrats and that Silver was a propagandist.

You wonder if they believe their own spin sometimes.

Can't wait to hear the conspiracy theories by Rush, Hannity, and all the others who refuse to accept this. Apparently, the Repubs attempts to block people from voting backfired. People came out in large numbers to vote, and I imagine many made it a point to vote to prove you can't take away their voting rights.

It's funny how the polls were all wrong except for the numbers they came up with but they proved to be quite accurate after all. The fact that the Right was so shocked makes me wonder what they may have done to ensure the outcome they wanted. If that's the case, how many more votes would have gone to Obama.

Hey, RealAmericansFirst

Nate Silver predicted every...single...state.

Any Silver Lining for the GOP that has been in the dark cloud of losing so much... in this election..losing the White House..losing in the House, in the Senate....in many state houses...most important..losing Americans' faith in the GOP - if the right leaning party can ever get anything right...

I don't think this will change the Republican party. I bet they are already discussing what they can do next election to guarantee a win, anything is on the table except truth, honesty, and ideas. But anything else.

I lived in Florida and the voting process is a joke. They should give the seniors Bingo Cards and they could vote 5 times in a minute. At least there was the right outcome with 4 more great years ahead.

Don't shed a tear for poor Mittt,

His campaign wasn't worth spit,

He gave it a run

But Obama won,

Yet the Repubs are still spewing their $hit...

Caligula:

HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

Awesome Limerick. Too bad ya' can't do one that rhymes with Romney.

Caligula-1763025 (1.12):

Thanks for a great chuckle!!!!!!!

VERY accurate assessment, too!!!!!!!!

(:

Silence is golden...speaking is silver

..but Nate Silver is golden

Caligula-1763025

good job! Your a poet and don't know it.

If all the lies the GOP told about President Obama were true why did they not win? If the economy tanked on Obamas watch why did they not win? Because the GOP is full of liars, whitebread old school polititians, and now the GOP is officially dead with Mitt Romney buried.

hardtalk - Childish is Karl Rove sitting on Rupert Murdoch's empire flagship insisting that Ohio didn't "really" vote for Obama.

Childish is the GOP saying their number one priority was was to make Obama a one-term President - in the middle of the worst economic catastrophe since the Great Depression.

Childish is gerrymandering Congressional districts out of all recognition to make sure your party picks up seats they'd otherwise lose.

Childish is letting our nation's credit rating be downgraded rather than giving an INCH on raising revenues to pay for the things your party bought.

Childish is calling an American citizen names like "Kenyan" and "Muslim" as a dog-whistle to turn out the racist vote in your party.

Childish is declaring that you can't "trust" a President who doesn't look like you until you've seen every scrap of paper that was ever associated with his life (even if you won't believe them when you see them) and then declaring that you don't even need to see tax returns from the guy who looks like you.

Childish is declaring that everyone in this country who isn't wealthy is just "lazy" and doesn't deserve anything.

Childish is allowing the parents of children born with birth defects to be financially ruined because you're more concerned about the profits of insurance corporations than making sure those kids have health coverage.

Childish is insisting that your country is so "exceptional" that it doesn't need to consider the viewpoint or work with any other country on this planet.

Childish is believing that American working people don't merit enough pay to live if your company can make an extra $0.10 per item by hiring an overseas worker instead.

Childish is saying "I got mine, screw you."

Need more?

In your face Karl Rove............

Talk about no value for the money you spent...........

some claim..that..Obama's winning coalition is as good as FDR's in 1932 or Reagan's in 1980..or even bigger. Those things only happened a few times:

1800 Jefferson's party

1828 Andrew JackAss 'Donkey' and his Democrats

1860 GOP nd Lincoln

1932 FDR

1980 Win one for the Gipper

2008 Obama (2012 solidifying the coalition from 08)

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FORWARD...

...AND Mitt and GOP is forewarned....

I wonder if Karl is going to leave the country with Rush?

Thanks for telling us what we already knew. Chuck Todd did everything but outright say Obama won Fl Election night. Man what a A$$ wiping Romney took. More to the point, what a A$$ wiping Carl Rove took. I predict Rove is done. He can't scare people into voting for Rep's anymore. The Dem's represent the Middle of the Country. We are not perfect, but we try hard. We Dem's don't try to be something we are not. Unlike the Tea part Rep's who keep saying they are Conservative Christians. What a lie. These people are neither. Look what happened when the Rep's had total control under Little Bush. They blew the Clinton surplus, and several trillion plus. The got us into 2 wars That they put on the Credit card also. And then tried to make American's Believe that it was President Obama's fault for the Deficient we. What good Christians. What ever happened not bearing false witness? Well when we have seen so many preachers fall from grace over the past several years, well enough said. I have to ask the Christine community. Do you ever ask why more people stopped going to Church? or do you even care. I have seen a Baptist Church complete take over a town In N. Michigan, Nothing comes into that town with out that Church's nod. I thought the Catholic Church had power. The Catholic don't try to run everyone's life's for them like the Baptist do. I think it is about time we stop the Church from being Tax exempt. They have gotten out of hand and they can pay there taxes. They use our police, fire, roads and Armed forces to protect them, they can pay there taxes. That is one loop whole that needs to be closed. These Church's have become Political also, Pay your taxes Church's.

"...overseas and military ballots, but under Florida law..."

Thank you for your service. It's great that you voted. Now here's a quarter kid, go see a USO show.

AG99...Thank you for proving my point...

Ahhhhhhh....I just have to sit back and watch it roll in.....

AG99 - what ever happened to all those Republicans who declared anyone who said a bad word about Bush was a "traitor"?

That he was the duly elected President of the United States, and that meant all of us?

Must be some more of that GOP math at work.

Imagine what would have happened if Florida had made voting easy! You can see that the republikans have realized that the only way they can win in today's America is to make voting as difficult as possible for minorities and left leaning voter segments. This is a very good illustration why statewide elections are important. Republikan governors and state houses will continue in efforts to suppress the vote in national elections. With idiots and maniacs filling republikan tickets (see Alan West in Florida), it's their last chance at electoral success.

In Illinois, I waited in line for ten minutes, showed my voter registration card (any photo ID would have worked) and was through voting in another ten. The perfect formula for a republikan defeat, and they know it. If the repubs don't reconstitute their party they'll be out in the cold for generations and that's just fine with me.

LA99999

I don't think this will change the Republican party. I bet they are already discussing what they can do next election to guarantee a win---------

There is one thing bothering me about 2016. The rethugs have some very viable candidates where as I can't think of any Dems, except Hillary, and she says she's not interested, who right now are viable. The young blood seems to be on the rethug side. Hope they still alienate the young, woman, and minorities come 2016.

AG99,

By your standards, Bush 2000 did not win at all, because he did not even get the popular vote. I'm glad I am no longer associated with the R party, but it really died awhile ago.

AG99, this was more than just choosing a leader. It was making sure our votes were heard and not suppressed. It was telling big money it can't beat us. It was saying that social issues do matter. It was saying that even though I am only middle class I can still help determine who will represent us. I totally understand what you're saying, and obviously Obama wasn't chosen by everyone, but there was so much more riding on this. I think, in a way, the attempts to block some voters just made them more determined to vote.

OK fellow Americans. That is enough of the gloating and sour grapes on both sides.
The election process worked for better or worse depending which person you
voted for. As Americans we now have to hold our elected officials to their
word. Empty promises mean more years of high unemployment, staggering debt left
for our children’s children, a tax code that is so outdated that the founding fathers
of our great country would be the first to take up arms against it and nation
still divided by the color of person’s skin or their preference of lifetime
partners. The only way we survive as a nation is to come together and work
towards common goals of home ownership, health care for our sick and peace in
our nation. STOP listening to overbearing loud mouths (Fox News Channel, MS NBC
etc.) that tell you what they want you to know not what you need to know! Be
independent thinkers and people of action not lemmings walking off a cliff.
This is still the greatest country in the history of mankind for so many
reasons but we need to remember them with humility and grace so we can continue
on as one great nation. I am neither Democrat nor Republican. I just am just
like everyone else.

That is enough of the gloating and sour grapes on both sides

No it ain't.

I'm going to gloat for a few months. :o)

JODY: I don't argue the legality of his win, just what it represents. I support getting rid of the electoral college completely as I think it would enhance all our votes. As it is, if I vote Democrat in a heavily Republican state, it's worthless because all my state's votes go to the majority, but if my vote were thrown into a general tally, then it would be worth more and the outcome more reflective of what the people really want.

The Supreme Court stole the election for Bush. If you listen to the analysis of Iorio who was the state Chair of the Supervisors of Election in 2000 and an acknowledged expert, Gore won by about 40,000 but the ballot designs and overvotes negated his victory.

Bald-headed Medicare fraudster Rick Scott and the GOP gang tried to stop the black and Latino vote, and pull a 2000, but Obama beat RMoney by way more than Bush's stolen few hundred vote false "victory," and it was verified later that if Gore hadn't wimped out and had continued to fight, an official recount would have given the election to Gore. I would hope that all the racist right-winger teaGOP people who come on here slagging Obama and the dems would show some grace and humility and admit that they are wrong, and just stop supporting wealthy Mormons who love money more than country itself.

imwhitewolf, they were already talking about four years from now and mentioned some names. You're right that there aren't too many in sight for the Dems, but there are still a couple years for someone to break through. As for the Repubs, they listed maybe 10 or 12. Out of them, there were only 2 that I would consider worthy of looking at, Christie and Rubio. The others they listed were not threats for me, such as Palin, Ryan, Mcconnell, Jaindl, etc. Would love to see Huntsman again, but he can't get anywhere unless he signs his soul to Norquist. And if he did I wouldn't consider him either.

AG66...I guess 332 to 206 is close in your universe....

And Flame! Thank you! More proving of my point! Ahhhhhh....it just keeps rolling in....waves and waves of glorious delusion....ahhhhhhh.....more please..... more.....ahhhhhhhh......

GOPisextinct...I'm with you! Woke up chuckling 3-4 times in the wee hours of Wednesday and have been told I seem euphoric ever since. Trying not to rub it in but it's tough!

AG66...oh I CAN read...and you can obfuscate!

Keep trying...maybe you'll get there....someday...but, then again...obviously I'm not the only one having problems understanding your "clear" English...but, hey, who cares anyway...

BlueLake: "Imagine what would have happened if Florida had made voting easy! "

I IS EASY!! IN the highly exclusive country clubs & gated communities, the voting areas are in the clubhouses.

No four hour wait there;-). OH, sorry , you meant where the serfs vote.

Yep, 8. Maybe 7.

Florida, I'm so amazed and thrilled that you stood in line for hours to vote instead of letting your Republican governor discourage you.

What a great week this has been. Just amazing.

Finally - Florida appears to be regaining it's collective sanity. Now we need to get rid of Scott and Rubio.

To those who asked if the republicons have learned anything from this drubbing, the answer is no.

My wife just got done taking an online poll. All of the questions were obviously weighted for a very right wing response. What were they about? What should we do if a hypothetical African country invaded another hypothetical African country?

The RWNJs are still a bunch of warmongering chickenhawks pushing for more war profiteering while we the people bleed.

AG, if only more republicans were like you... You seem reasonable, grounded in reality, and have good points.

charlie: I appreciate your understanding my points as I'm told I communicate poorly, but I should probably point out I'm not a Republican. I'm an Independent who has voted both ways and who is tired of some people treating our politics like a sports game. They're only interested in saying, "We won!" without giving any thought to what that actually means.

billy: I used to think as you do about the electoral college, but now think it masks the true vote. Most presidents do win the popular vote also so those rural states end up with the same input when you get down to it, but the electoral process obscures the electorate. People think in terms of blue vs red states, which further polarizes the country, when in reality we're all mixed in together. If I thought the electoral college really leveled the playing field, I would agree with you, but I'm inclined to think it doesn't make a practical difference most of the time.

It wasn't Romney himself that turned me off voting for him as I think he is moderate by nature, but all that GOP baggage he would have had to accommodate has made him flip-flop to the right too much. You're right; some of those guys really are nuts.

(And yes, I have served.)

President Obama won by the raw vote AND electoral vote.

Was Nate right or what?

As a result, Obama garners the state's 29 electoral votes, for a national total of 332 votes to Romney's 206.

And that, my friends, puts a cap on a thorough a$$ whoopin'

"2. What will the Dems do now that they can't blame it on Bush now.... Obama owns it"

We will do what Romney was going to do. We are going to claim the 12 million jobs that will be created over the next 4 years, no matter who would have won, as our own accomplishment.

Sucks, eh?

I immediately became aware of your party affiliation by that old model plane photograph.

Are you still burning kerosene on that thing?

Please be careful, those fumes are said to be associated with total lost of consciousness.

A Republican cowboy, drunk as a sailor, entertained me on the bus system today. He was ranting about Obama turning this country into the United Socialist States of America while waiting on a bench at the bus stop, and then reading a bus schedule, and then riding a bus ... all paid for by them damn SOCIALISTS!!!

Oh, the irony! LOL

75,000 is NOT a slim majority. Bush won Florida by 5! The conservative wing of the Supreme Court!

Done & Done!

RealAmericansFirst

Childish is insisting that your country is so "exceptional" that it doesn't need to consider the viewpoint or work with any other country on this planet.

Childish is believing that American working people don't merit enough pay to live if your company can make an extra $0.10 per item by hiring an overseas worker instead.

Childish is saying "I got mine, screw you."

Need more?

Bring em on I'm getting a good laugh.

AG99 I am also an independent, but I voted a straight Democratic ticket, and have agreed with many of your post's in the past. No I have not served, but I am a naturalized citizen and have seen what's out there. I lived in a democratic dictatorship, your local vote, mayors, city officials etc counted, but in the national election it meant squat. I see the republican party beginning with Reagan and getting progressively more like the racist, dictatorship I lived in, they are using the same policies with redistricting among others. They have made numerous attempts to remove the separation of church and state, they just tried it here in Florida with a constitutional amendment. On some issues I would be considered a conservative, on some a liberal progressive, and some a centrist, but the Republican party of today with their self serving policies, greed, narrow mindedness, theological self righteousness, dictatorial desires, and Grover Norquist quite frankly terrify me, I recognize the path they are trying to go down and it will destroy the country as we know it.

And yes I would not mind the removal of the electoral college, that way every vote does count. One man or one woman, one vote, just as we "suggest" to other countries.

The President should be elected by a majority of the people and the electoral college.

AG99, Good for you for making your voice heard and voting for a third party.

I'm not sure I agree with your full Premise on Obama only representing a slight majority of Americans. I think Obama would be favored by many more people had it not been for the incessant spin from the right. While what you're saying is technically correct (the best kind of correct!) but I disagree the fault is Obama's (if that's what you're implying, I'm not trying to put words in your mouth) - I believe the blame resides on the right and their willful denial of science and fact.

To Democrats: We won. Yes, I love it too. I also spent election night LOLing at the people on Fox - That was election night. Now be gracious winners and STFU about trying to rub everyones noses in it. Yes, we've had 4 years of Right-wing accusations and outright silliness, but we need to do what's best for the country - bring people together. And being jerks to the people on the right isn't going to help, at all.

To Republicans: You lost. Obama's not everything your preferred media outlet told you. Fox is the largest news show on cable television, has the largest radio presence, and has a massive online presence. They ARE the mainstream media in EVERY sense of the word. They spun, they lied, they tried to push a narrative. Please, for the love of country, Let it Go.

Now here's to America moving forward.

Typo

The President should be elected by a majority of the people and NOT the electoral college.

Couple of points

Obama won 69 to 31 in with single women, Asians voted for Obama in the second largest % 73. Less Republicans voted this election. Less Mormons voted for Romney than Bush. Obama won the Cuban vote 60 to 40

The Republican model wont work any more. Too many of the older white vote will be dying off while minority growth will continue.

As far as blaming Bush you're are correct. Once we are out of Afghanistan this will be all Obama's.

Nate Silver missed the ND senate race.. lol.

Every Republican that spoke on rape got booted even in strongly Republican states.

People wont forget Rick Scott limited early vote then refused to extend times. Not too mentioned he hasnt done one thing that hasnt gotten overturned. He's one and done too.

NC and SC will be next to swing toward Democrats. NC in 2016.

As far as the popular vote. I wonder how many Northeasterners could not vote due to the devastation.

Eh, I typo'd a bit earlier in my last paragraph. I meant that Conservatives have the largest media presence: Fox is the largest news network on cable television, Rush, Hannity, Ingram are the largest radio presences, and fox has a large portion of the internet news spectrum, not even including things like redstate.com, breitbart.com, the Drudge Report, etc...

For all intents and purposes, Conservatives are the mainstream media.

Go ahead be proud of Hussein

His policies are surely insane

We'll all Soon be broke

On his failures we'll choke

When our economy goes down the drain

Soon you'll be eating your crow

Cold and stale and it will show

That you made a mistake

You could have had cake

But now all you get is a

That is a truly terrible poem.

Seriously. Just never do that again.

Seven,

Speaking in terms of pure poetry, you should have just stopped after the bit about the economy going down the drain. It would have been a limerick.

Now, it's just bad.

Congratulations to FL on their ability to grasp the concept that America consists of more then straight, white, Christian men.

I'd like to make a sarcastic comment about turning your heads and coughing, but we all know how you feel about health care.

I'd like to make a sarcastic comment about turning your heads and coughing, ...........

Nice Sarah. :o) Well-spoken,.......with a nasty edge,.....just like a Detroit girl.

GOP,

I try. :)

Sarah,

It shows.

There was a young man from Nantucket

...........................Nah better not :P

With Florida, Obama's winning percentage is 50.5% to Romney's 47.9%.

So much for "no landslide".

Go ahead and slap each other on the back, throw more confetti, kiss each other's as$es for the 'big win' in the humid state of FL. It's a moot point anyway. Bottom line, it all comes down to getting results.

Get us past the fiscal cliff drama, get more jobs created, economy steered back on a positive track then we may all become convinced. Throw a chicken in every pot, legalize marijuana nationwide and get our troops home- so much the better. The point is, if he can get results then he- we've all truly won. Then we can all celebrate together.

It really didn't matter but it has taken 4 days now and some ballots still out on overseas voting.

It's to the point that you don't trust anything when it has something to do with this administration.

They have lied, deceived the people, withheld facts and as Rush said there's no way you could have beaten Santa Claus in the first place.

hey driveby, i don't see how one week undoes the fact that bush handed obama a faltering economy. if there is a meltdown again that obama handles poorly, yes then it's on him. if the economy on the whole continues to improve over the balance of his administration then he has succeeded. what obama owns is the fix. if it falters then he owns that fail. i don't understand what kind of logic you operate by.

Republicans passed voter ID laws in 32 states which will guarantee Obama wins, DONE!

Trying to steal the last remaining free right of the electorate backfired on the GOP. Now with all these new registered voters with crisp new ID's voters be there for the Democrats in 2014 when more seats in House under GOP rule will be pealed-off as people judge how Republicans work with the Democrats, who have the back of the middle class. Early signs by pundits on Fox News predict more GOP obstructionism and negativity toward the working class. They are as dumb as they look, folks. We need about 2 or 3 more election cycles to flush these turds from our political system and get the work of the people done.

Obama wins Florida with a thin margin over Romney. I don't think for one moment that margin is true, esp. when you have a Tea Party crook/thief for a Gov. Why else do you think it took them 5 days to come out with the information, esp. when CA is a much bigger and heavily populated (about 3 X the size as FL) State? Knowing FL as I do, the Tea Party GOP definitely fiddled with the vote counting so as to make the outcome a much closer margin. Since the recent Census, the State knew exactly what the population was for each county. Knowing full well of that important factor, you tell me exactly how they could have run out of ballots at 10: 48 a.m. in a heavy populated Democratic area in South FL, and then took more than 6 hours to get the additional ballots in order for the people standing in line to vote??? You'd indeed be correct if you said that something smells real fishy! Just more of the GOP manipulation of Voter's Suppression. Thanks, to the FL Super Heroes, who stood with determination in the long voting lines!! You fought an enduring battle for your voting rights!! As Obama said, this Voter's Suppression and long lines has got to change real soon, and before the next election. Do you hear the good ole' Scotty boy? Scott seems to be on the losing side in Court quite a bit lately. First, as the CEO with his FL Hospital Medicare Fraud (the largest fraud in the U.S. until Jan. of this year), then again with the Courts shutting down his Obstructionism with Voter's Suppression, etc. Isn't it funny , too, how another area was given absentee ballots with the wrong zip code along with the wrong day for voting in a heavily Democratic Hispanic community in So. FL?? The dirty GOP tricks just made the people more determined, and in the end, the Republicans lost out completely along with shame for the election tricks! It's no wonder that the Republicans are not gracious losers!!! We are a Nation of many beautiful races, religions, political beliefs, etc. So it's about time that you Republicans get used to it. Stop the political obstructionism, and start working together with cooperation and respect for all the people in the U.S. (and not just the 2% elite, who lost a lot of money trying to buy the White House and other political offices). Fortunately/unfortunately for the Corporate elites, they found out quickly that the 97% aren't as naive as they thought we were, nor could they buy our votes. You lose in a big way! How sad is your defeat??? Start by firing Rove and send him on down the road permanently along with the Koch Brothers.

To Caligual-1763025 (Post # 1.12):

That was an outstanding little ditty that you wrote!!

it's half time in America -

.... remember this is how Clint Eastwood talked to a chair in the superbowl halftime commercial

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Pres. O's half time and America's halftime in Obama Presidency -

Revenge??? Tis is why you voted for Obama??? Really???

Was revenge justified against Clinton for lying about sleeping with an intern? Were you harmed by that?

Should we not ask for justice against those who refused to allow the country to heal itself - those who denied up further stimulus, those who made it harder for Obama to implement the policies that are now fixing the economy, reducing the deficit and helping businesses employ more people?

While the Republicans were happily obstructing everything that Obama wanted in order to make him "a one-term President", people were suffering. This isn't a joke.

Caligula-1763025

A clock-cleaning electoral landslide....

It would have been even larger if Teapublicans had not gerrymandered Pennsylvania. How about Arizona, where's the count there? "For Pete's sake," we can't be the beacon of democracy to the rest of the free world with this crap going on.

LA99999

I don't think this will change the Republican party.

No, it is contrary to the very definition of conservative -- fear of change. The denial, however, is historic. Teapublicans are saying, okay you won, so what are you going to give us? WTF?!

Boehner said the GOP house will not accept tax hikes for the wealthy, referring to Romney's tax plan as the only possible consideration.

McConnell said "I am not willing to raise taxes to turn off the sequester. Period."

Cantor is already talking about another debt ceiling debacle to get spending cuts only.

Teapublicans think all they need to to is run Rubio and get the Latino vote, wage the War on Women with nicer words, and forget about the black vote -- they don't even think about that.

Sarah-3043284 -- You just reminded me -- Eric Cantor is also saying they will repeal parts of Obamacare. Like voter suppression, the Teapublicans do a better job getting out the progressive vote in the 2014 mid-term then the Dems ever could. Give 'em a long rope and let them hang themselves.

Ed-2990755

AG99, Good for you for making your voice heard and voting for a third party.

Or the write-in votes for Darwin:

That wasn't enough votes to defeat the incumbent Paul Broun, a Republican who believes the Earth was created in six days. Broun sits on the House Science, Space, and Technology Committee.

The Teapublicans purposefully find the most inept members of their Party to be on committees -- Another good reason for them to go the way of the Whigs.

We won and we won big.

One would hope this sent a message to republicans, but I hope they don't heed it and continue trying to suppress the vote, women, and common sense. The Republican party is nearly extinct. Hurrah!

Last wednesday I was in line at the grocery store. In front of me were: a black woman, an asian woman and a woman who could have been of Indian (India) ancestry. Then there was me-a 54-year old white male Obama voter. Behind me an early 20's white woman. This is a near perfect snapshot of Obama voters. This is what the U.S. now looks like. The fact is that if the GOP doesn't understand this and take immediate steps to change how they are viewed by these people then they will simply fade into history like the Whig or Federalist parties. What they need to do is re-invent themselves. Change their name to something like "The New Republican Party". Re-vamp their platform to be more in line with the moderate,multi-ethnic middle-class. Emphasise similiarities. Hispanics,for example, are generally very religious and family oriented. A practical immigration bill co-authored by Republicans might make an impression. Come up with imaginative solutions for our problems. Get bi-partisan support. Reach out and pass bills that help the middle-class and shed this image of being dedicated to a shrinking base of rich, aging white men. If they don't get a handle on this then they are going to continue to slip. Time is of the essence whatever they do.

This just goes to show you that not only polls but attempts to suppress the vote by reducing the amount of days to early vote AND challenging absentee ballots by stating if the signatures don't match then your vote doesn't count, really had no effect. I applaud all the workers and volunteers on both sides that actually went out and educated everyone as to what was going on so that we here in Florida as well as those states that also tried the voter "suppression" thing. Because of them we were able to show not only the "establishment" but those that secretly gave to those "SuperPacs" we can't be brought, mislead(well maybe some of us :) ), or intimidated.

Ohh and I guess the good news for the Republicans is when they said that polls don't matter, guess what, they were RIGHT!:

Florida - Romney up by 2pts day before election: LOSS

Virginia - Romney up by 5pts day before election: LOSS

Pennsylvania - virtual tie: LOSS

Ohio - Virtual tie: LOSS

@ Stormy1 post1.2,

And you voted for Romney, why? I realize you may have been sleeping during the Republican Primaries but with all the news and the constant 'he's lying again" you should have at least found out what everyone was talking about. Next time I hope you pay more attention before you waste your vote on an idiot. To make comments afterwards about why or who just shows how ignorant you are or were at the time. My son is serving in the military and he deserves a Commander-in-Chief that didn't run off to France during a war. Shame on you for suggesting he does.

LOSER

"The BLUE knight rules! The RED knight sucks the big one! Down, down, down. RIGHT knight goin' down. Down, down, down. RED knight goin' down."

Oo, baby, here I am, signed, sealed, delivered, I'm yours!

Oowee baby, you set my soul on fire
That's why I know you're my heart's only desire

Here I am baby
Signed, Sealed, Delivered, I'm yours

I hope the treatments for your depression over Romney's loss will be covered under Obamacare.

You wonder if they believe their own spin sometimes.

Of course the GOP believes their own spin. It's a fatal flaw. Romney hadn't even prepared a concession speech in case he lost. He was so sure he was going to win, even though he had never held the edge over Obama, that he kept us all waiting for him to concede when the election had been called.

As Letterman said, we can have sympathy for the people still without electricity after Hurricane Sandy, but the Republicans won't have any power for four more years. :)

Was revenge justified against Clinton for lying about sleeping with an intern?

Just to set the record straight, he didn't SLEEP with her.

I think 'no bj in nj' could explain it all to you. ;)

Well Republicans --- how much longer are you going to continue believing your own echo chamber -- talk radio and Fox? How long will you deny that they LIED to you? What happened Tuesday was very, very, very predictable by anyone wiling to listen to and look at REALITY. Why were you the last ones to realize what was going to happen? All of your conservative commentators told you Romney was going to win. The right wing blogs, right wing radio, right wing ministers, Fox --- all were in gleeful denial of reality assuring you a Romney victory. And every one of them were WRONG. The polls were not stacked.

The very first thing Republicans need to do if they want to remain a real force in American politics is come to terms with REALITY. Understand that with Limbaugh, Beck, Hannity --- they're in this first and foremost for the MONEY. Advancing a conservative agenda is secondary. I wouldn't be shocked to find that Limbaugh actually votes for Democrats. His ratings are better when a Democrats are in charge. Spending day after day calling all Democrats communist and telling their listeners that Preaident Obama is a Muslim, Kenyan Socialist bent on destroying America is nothing more than lies that the vast majority of Americans dismiss as nonsense. Tuesday's results show that.

Republicans -- you can live in your make-believe world of the right wing echo chamber or you can live in the real world -- but you can't do both. It's your choice.

kkwilson

It really didn't matter but it has taken 4 days now and some ballots still out on overseas voting.

It's to the point that you don't trust anything when it has something to do with this administration.

They have lied, deceived the people, withheld facts and as Rush said there's no way you could have beaten Santa Claus in the first place.

Hey kkk, still delusional I see. Still listing to Rushbo? Really?

Newsflash for you: Obama is not the governor of Florida. That's an 'administration' that cannot be trusted.

You could have had cake

Seven, let me feed you a bite of reality. There is no cake.

'Cake' may be what your former wannabe queen Ann eats, but they were never planning to share their cake with the rest of us.

'Cake' was the lie you bought when the GOP promised to make everybody rich (at least if you are a white male.) They took your money, just like they always do, and left you with nothing.

The middle class just wants to eat bread in this country: to have a decent place to live, nutritious food, a good education, a job that supports our family and a little contentment at the end of our lives. We do not want to be bankrupted trying to pay for healthcare. We want to be treated with respect, no matter how lowly our occupation. We all matter, not just the rich.

We do not all need or want Swiss bank accounts, private jets, dancing horses, several houses...money won't buy happiness. Fortunately it couldn't buy the presidency either.

Romney was never going to win. Can't you see that yet? He was not presidential material. None of the GOP primary candidates were worth a hoot.

If you want your party to mean something going forward, you are going to have to grow a heart. Not like the one Cheney bought for himself, but one that beats for all Americans.

Here are just a couple of things to think about...

Once the election is over, the electoral college is meaningless. The President doesn't serve the electoral college he serves the people. Nearly half of the people who voted did not vote for him.

President Obama is still straddled with a House of Representatives that does not support his policies, his approach nor his politics.

All of the happy little democrats here can cry "neaner, neaner, we won" all you want. This isn't a college football game. What really matters is what happens after the election. Based on the initial rhetoric of the leaders of the two parties after the election and the ridiculousness of most of the posts here, I would imagine that the next 4 years is going to be much like the last 4 years. And that is bad for all of us.

"I would imagine that the next 4 years is going to be much like the last 4 years. And that is bad for all of us."

I suspect you may be correct -- the tea bag people in the House may continue saying NO to everything. But -- President Obama holds the trump cards. He's a lame duck. He can sit back and allow House Republicans to make themselves look even worse. Remember -- the House has a 13% approval rating and -- they are all up for reelection in 2 years.

Regarding the electoral vote: at one time I thought as some do here that the Electoral College should be abolished and that national elections should be decided by a simple majority. However, the nature of politics being what it is, that would tend to disenfranchise voters in the West and Southwest and others living outside of the high population zones. In my state only a little more than 700,000 voted but we have 5 electoral votes. Without the electoral vote we would receive little attention from the candidates because there are only a handful of undecided votes to be had, as opposed to millions in the larger population areas. Nevada, despite its relatively small population, became a battleground state because its 6 electoral votes were up for grabs. The problem with the popular vote is that people in sparsely populated areas become disenfranchised, which leads to regional rivalries and the marginalization of citizens. Remember that many of the states that I am talking about have high Hispanic populations. My state is about 45% Hispanic. Would these minorities have voted if they felt that their vote counted for very little? Our form of government is a republic for good reason and the Electoral College reflects the political realities.

I remember Natalie Mains...

I remember a Congresscritter standing up on the floor of the US House of Representatives demanding she be charged with treason and not allowed to re-enter the country.

I remember the well-publicised "Dixie Chicks CD Burning Parties" where her group's records were burned, along with her being burned in effigy.

I remember the extreme media vilification, led by the Right Wing, saying she committed treason by criticising the President.

I remember the demands from the Right Wing saying that no one, especially someone with so much access to media should ever say anything negative about the President in public.

I remember her being pressured to make a public apology for her "disrespectful statement."

I remember the multiple reports of death threats aimed at her.

I remember radio stations announcing publicly that they were banning Dixie Chicks songs. Many of those bans are still in force today.

I remember calls from the talking heads on Fox that she be "stripped of her citizenship and permanently deported" for her "anti-American" and "unpatriotic" statement.

What did she say?

She said, (and I quote verbatim) "We're ashamed the President of the United States is from Texas."

Now, how is it that the Right Wing of this nation, aren't standing up and demanding the same exact treatment for all of you who called the President names like Obummer, and Odumba, for those of you who said that he's "destroying America", who claim that he is a muslim, who claim that he was really born in Kenya, for those of you who call him a "socialist who is destroying the country" ?

Why are none of you being held to the exact same standard?

Why is no one demanding any of you be charged with Treason?

Why is no one else asking these questions?

Why is it unacceptable that a RepubliCON President be criticized, yet a Democrat can be utterly libeled with racist, hateful, dishonest, and repugnant comments?

Unless or until those shrill shills of the right-wing propaganda machine are held accountable for their two-faced, double standard of statement, this nation is going to remain in serious trouble.

It was made clear that the Greed Only Party would say or do anything necessary to try to get into office. All one has to do is not read the media, but read the public comments that were on fora like these.

I really feel sorry for those of you who were conned by the right-wing media. You bought into what they themselves called treason. You became an anti-American mouthpiece, and you didn't even know it. What everyone missed, is that the RepubliCON default position is, "We are the only ones who are patriotic Americans. If you're not with us, you're against us, and that means you're anti-America, because we are the only ones who are patriotic Americans!"

A clock-cleaning electoral landslide....

Now watch as the Republicans try to pretend that it didn't happen...

Delusional is about to be redefined...

Well, Caligula, I voted for Obama, and I was not particularly fond of Mitt Romney and his ever-changing, kaleidoscopic views on almost any subject.

But even I noted that Obama squeaked out only a narrow 50 to 48% victory with the popular vote, which tells me that this election was far from a landslide, at least in terms of the wishes and loyalties of the voters.

Moreover, the House of Representatives remains firmly in Republican hands, with even the quasi-psychotic Michele Bachmann being returned to Washington from one of the more liberal states in the union.

So, democrats, both amongst the rank and file and the talking heads in Washington need to take a deep breath and look at the political landscape with calm, perceptive eyes. Obama was not reelected by a vast majority of the American voters, but by a razor thin plurality. If the Republicans had concentrated [early on] on fiscal and economic matters, instead of promoting their goal rolling back the social evolution of the country to 1912, Mitt Romney might well be the next President of this country.

From much of the self-congratulatory posts I see here, I suspect that the Democratic Party will instead believe that they vested with some overwhelming mandate to set the agenda for the next 4 years. If so, expect another upsurge of Republican influence in 2014.

The GOP should give a little thought to their defensive strategy. They have taken over a lot of state governments and decided upon fixed defenses commonly known as voter suppression. For some dumb reason they can't understand how much that pisses off their opponents and how much effort will put in to get their voices heard. If any one group is responsible for the Democratic victory this season it is the Republican secretaries of states who made an obstacle course out of elections. I'd like to again see that smug expression from the secretary of state who promised a Romney victory with the word "done!"

Sure looks like the career entitlement and the gimme freebies crowd flooded the polls for another 4 more years of spread the wealth to them. Isn't America wonderful when elections can be won by sheer stupidity and ignorant greed.

I remember Natalie Mains...

I too, remember these events, The Evil Tessmacher, if not as distinctly as you. I too, was put out by the loud-mouthed proposals by various conservatives that this woman and her fellow group members be punished.

But, as to your question:

"Now, how is it that the Right Wing of this nation, aren't standing up and demanding the same exact treatment for all of you who called the President names like Obummer, and Odumba, for those of you who said that he's "destroying America", who claim that he is a muslim, who claim that he was really born in Kenya, for those of you who call him a "socialist who is destroying the country" ?"

...I believe the answer is that neither the Left nor the Right wing of political thought speaks with a single, unified voice in this country, which is a good thing. There will always be those spouting dark criticism about the political figure they find abhorrent at the moment, be it members of a pop group speaking out against the President, or various yahoos on Newsvine calling the President names, and indulging in paranoid fantasies regarding his place of birth, or his religion.

If the criticism of this later group today seems less extreme than that falling about the ears of Natalie Maines, it is probably because the mood of the nation has greatly calmed, and the President is not quite as tightly wrapped in the flag as was George W. Bush back 2003.

People forget now, the mood of the country in 2002 and 2003, and the degree to which the entire nation seemed as one regarding the need to support the President and his decisions.

Times change and today we cannot easily remember just how much political power George W. Bush commanded at that time, although we can recall how badly he abused it.

So to all, call Obama, "Odumba", and refer to Bush as the "Idiot From Texas". Claim that either were the spawn of aliens mating with humans in Tibet on a moonless night. It is all a legitimate part of the political life here in America, where in 1884, Republican opponents of reform Democratic candidate, Grover Cleveland, gleefully taunted him regarding an illegitimate child with the phase, "Ma, Ma, where's my Pa!". Those were more gentile times ...so they say.

Charlie, Just remember that it is very difficult to have a stalemate if only one party refused to compromise. To be stuck takes the unwillingness of both parties to engage in compromise. For every democratic proposal to which the republicans in the House have said no, there is a republican proposal to which the democrats in the White House and Senate have said no. No one seems to take notice of the fact that for 4 years both parties have intentionally engaged in this game where they offer a "solution" that they know with certainty will be unacceptable to the other party. Then, when that party says no, they lambast the naysayers as obstructionist and all the little democrat and republican sheeple rally to the cry of the Washington liars. 537 elected officials in Washington have willingly chosen to fail in their obligation to lead and yet we sent virtually the same idiots back to try again.

The Evil Tessmacher

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Excellent point and post

Tad-401841

Isn't America wonderful when elections can be won by sheer stupidity and ignorant greed.

No it's not at all a wonderful thing, good thing that didn't happen in 2012

Antistupidity - Evil's post is just another example of the one-sided lame arguments made by both sides here on Newswhine. First let me say that I think the vilification of the Dixie Chicks by the far right was ridiculous. That being said, can you and evil really see no difference between the Chicks declaring that they are ashamed that the President was from Texas at a concert in front of tens of thousands of people and the name calling that occurs here on Newswhine??? Are the comments made by the Chicks less or more damaging than the First Lady of the United States claiming that she was not proud of her country until we elected her husband?

When do we stop this wasteful, harmful tit-for-tat and begin to come together as a country? I know your first response will be to say that it is all the fault of the republicans - the infamous "party of NO". That answer is too easy and too wrong. The people, we, yes, us, are the ones driving our politicians to the fringes of the two parties. We must be the ones who bring them back to the center.

We'll see if President Obama's reelection is a good thing or not. I pray to the God you probably don't believe in that the President and Congress learn to work together to the betterment of all of us. I have little hope that they will be able to accommplish that task.

We cannot solve our debt crisis solely by taxing the rich. The rich should pay more taxes because it is the right thing to do. But we MUST also spend less money. If we cannot get over this drunken binge of spending, four years hence we will be 25 trillion dollars in debt and our credit rating will have been downgraded again. And that will be good for none of us.

From much of the self-congratulatory posts I see here, I suspect that the Democratic Party will instead believe that they vested with some overwhelming mandate to set the agenda for the next 4 years. If so, expect another upsurge of Republican influence in 2014.

dman, I think you're right that Democrats don't have a big mandate to carry out their agenda. We have to avoid falling into the same complacency that existed after Obama was elected in 2008. Speaking for myself at least, I thought that we were on the right path simply because we had a good man in the White House. I certainly was not prepared for the GOP backlash and their (failed) determination to make him a one-term president.

The problem with almost half the population here is that they've been indoctrinated by right wing lies, hatred and propaganda. I don't see that changing any time soon...in fact, it may get a whole lot worse. Overt racism seems to be acceptable in that population.

We progressives must keep pushing our agenda. One thing Obama has taught me is that ALL citizens need to take part in this democracy, and that involves learning about and understanding the issues, day to day. That means advocating for progress, speaking up, and being willing to work for our communities and our country.

We cannot lie back and let someone else do it. We cannot afford to be complacent.

joemike404

Your whole first paragraph is covered by freedom of speech, although it appears ugly, it is a beautiful thing. If you don't agree on the beauty of it, ask people from countries that don't have it. I come from one so I do know.

The tit-for-tat will never end, for right now the Republicans have been acting blindly as the party of no. We the people are not driving the parties to the fringes, the parties are driving us to the fringes, dividing us, and in the process destroying our civility toward each other. I am not sure about the Democrats because the Democrats I speak to are far more conciliatory, however the Republicans I have spoken to are so unyielding and entrenched in their self righteousness that they will not listen to any argument. They remind me of the National party in South Africa(the party of apartheid).

If the Congressional Republicans will work with and compromise with the Democrats in Congress then Obama will have a successful presidency, if they don't I think we will see a lot of congressional Republican seats turn Democratic in 2014.

Yes we need a balanced approach to the deficit, increased taxes on those who's paychecks are $4807.69 or more per week is more than fair. As well as cutting wasteful spending, and closing tax loopholes. Entitlements such as Social Security and Medicare Medicaid are off limits, we are entitled to these things when we reach the age requirements, they are not handouts, we paid to have them later in life, we paid out of every single paycheck we ever earned. Tax benefits for companies that keep production in the US and tax penalties for those who offshore work. Yes the prices will go up a little but so will pay as long as the big corps are not allowed to gerrymander the finances. There should be heavy tariffs on imported goods especially anything that has had any production phase in China. Then we can return the value of our goods and bring our nations wealth back within our borders.

I remember when "Made in America" was more expensive but it was also revered as the best worldwide.

By the way I do believe in God, I was raised in a religion and I feel "allegiance" to it but I also see that religion is responsible for most wars and logically I can see where it is bad. I am aware that it is used to "control the masses", yet my religion still tugs at my heart and I would die to defend it. I also believe that Mother Nature, science, biology and mathematics are God. I realise it is a complete oxymoron and makes me somewhat agnostic. We can clone animals, we are creating organs out of stem cells, we can do incredible things, but we cannot create the spark of life and the individuality it brings.

joemike404

I also draw a line about when and what you can say about your country and it's leadership, the line is when you are in enemy territory and freely speak against your country. The only one I can think of off the top of my head is Hanoi jane.

I think the Republican party needs to hire better pollsters.

Obama got it right, Romney got it soooo wrong.

The reform starts with getting rid of Rick Scott.....our next great accomplishment. I live in Florida and cannot wait to vote his sorry butt out of office. Next they need to change back the voting laws to what they were before. The process here was a totaly joke and obvious ploy to try to block people from voting or to slow the process so that people would turn away from the polls.

Sorry, but even though a recount wouldn't have included "hanging chads" this time around, they would have questioned every single signature on those stupid signature pads they had us sign in order to vote. My signature looked nothing like my driver's license. Considering they threw out one woman's absentee ballot because they said her signature didn't match and refused to let her vote in the election, I have NO doubt they would have tried to play the role of handwriting analysts to sway the results the Republican's way. By the way, the woman took her case to court and lost.

They kept closing down the lines for periods of time...hoping people would leave. The ballot was two pages long (front and back) with lengthy wording for the 11 amendments people were supposed to vote on but with no simplified explanation provided for each to speed up the process. Almost all were nutty, right-wing initiatives and thankfully, almost all the amendments were a "NO" vote.

@TonyJ-2193708

I lived in Florida for 24 years and I agree the best thing here is to get rid of Rick Scott. He refused to budge at all in extending the early voting, disgrace! At least Gov. Crist, had the decency to extend it. I believe Scott was in Romney's pocket.... The way Americans are being treated is sad, we have our rights and Voting is one of them, regardless of Race, Creed and Color! It's got to end somewhere and Americans have got to turn this around. Glad President Obama was re-elected.

Eric. If the Reps hired Nate Silver, then the Rich people that thinks they are so smart, would not give the Reps all that money. Face it, people Like Carl Rove flat our lied to these people so they would give them there money. The NRA lied so people would join and give there money. I saw a report this morning that said the Reps were saying that un educated people voted for Obama. But the facts are that all the states that went blue were the best educated people in the Country. Face it Rep's, you can't fool smart people. Only un educated people will follow someone like liming, right off the cliff. I don't know what is wrong with these people that know they are being lied to but still can't get enough of it. Thank God for the Smart people in this country. Money can buy dumb peoples vote, Not smart people though.

Flame77_7-- Yep, PBO OWNS IT, and we Dem, Rep, Indie, white, black, brown (why say all of that when I can say all of the concerned caring Americans), gave him the Title!!! Let's watch Chris Christie, and forget about the South FL Cuban Mobsters. Waiting & watching everyday now for the rwnjs to kick Chris under the bus and hear his comments.

They need to vote out Scott in Florida.And set up a non-partisan electoral commission to reform voting. I'm not sure what different states require to put propositions on a ballot. But I think we should put propositions on ballots that require non-partisan electoral commissions in each state.And propositions to require non-partisan redistricting commissions. By gerrymandering congressional districts in Republican dominated states is why they kept control in the HOR. And as long as those districts or gerrymandered they have heavy chance to always be Republican (unless they run a Akin or Murdough type candidate). Gerrymandering districts (for either party) is a form of voter suppression. And needs to be overturned.

Eric-913730 I think the Republican party needs to hire better pollsters. Obama got it right, Romney got it soooo wrong.

Rasmussen? They asked "Do you believe in God?" 95% of Americans says yes. They then assume America is a center-right country. They then live in this bubble about being FOXED IN like that........and so on.

I live in Tallahassee and Rick Scott is a total embarrassment to this entire state. It's time for him to go. Charlie Crist needs to come back! :)

kaily you are absolutley right, the old farts that have theres were very aggresive. this will be a good reminder to people that care about florida next time. he screwed medicare of a couple billion and walks away then spends 70 millioan of it to buy his position. what a country he considers himself like the righ trash to be great americans.

Rassmussen had Romney +1....lol.

Hey, Eric-913730 who writes -

Rassmussen had Romney +1....lol.

Rassmussen is just kissing Republican (R - in short) Ass -

- look closely, do you see it? Rassmussen = R-ass-mus-sen

Seriously, why aren't National Votes regulated by the Federal Gov't? Why do I vote differently in Maryland and Nevada?

Pres. Obama mentioned it during his speech, can anyone really think of a good reason the Federal Gov't shouldn't be responsible for Election rules?

The best moment in cable news history was when Megan Kelly at Fox turned to Rove and said "Is that just math you do to make yourself feel better as a Republican.

NOOOOOOOOOOOO!

Really? Got a link? I'd lay down good money to see that one!! Ya' think this could be the beginning of the end for ol' "turd blossom"?

I'll do you one better.

Here's the link to what Jon Stewart had to say about it. I spewed wine all over my white couch while watching this...

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/wed-november-7-2012/post-democalypse-2012---america-takes-a-shower---karl-rove-s-math

Sarah...............FREAKIN Awesome roflmao

Dayum. That is almost good enough to get me to watch tv.

Sarah, I had my husband (who is a long-haul truck driver and thus wasn't home this week) sit down and watch all 3 segments of America Takes a Shower from the Daily Show from Wednesday last night. He was ROLLING! I love Mr. Stewart!

T

To ToniJ-2193708 (Post # 2.2)

How right you are with removing Scott. I am still amazed at how he won to begin with, when the Floridians knew that Scott as the CEO of FL Hospitals, was charged a hefty fine for the largest Medicare Fraud in the History of the U.S. Why in Heavens name did Floridians ever vote such a crook into office? I intend to remain in the State long enough to vote the schmuck out of office. It will be a thrilling pleasure to see his butt kicked on down the road and never returning to FL.

ToniJ - Agree, Agree, Agree. Rick Scott has to go. I can't imagine why after all the crooked things he's done why people voted for him.

Ohh, someone needs to tell him we are still waiting for those 750,000 jobs he said he will create.

Scott's a federal criminal. How in the world is he now a governor. How can Republicans in FL be proud of that? Guys like that are why people like my dad, an almost lifelong Republican, now vote Dem. Republicans need to clean up their act and start working for the good of people. Not criminals, thieves, and out of control greed. People like that aren't good for society. I don't care how rich they are.

..finally I can say...Florida...I am proud of you.

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and I am also curious...grandMa, how did you finally figure it out??? I am proud of you too...you can tell you stories to us grand kids again and again...and we will never get tired of it..we promise. We grand kids will keep telling you...that 'we have never heard the story before' how compelling..

I wouldn't say that. The Democrats won the popular vote for the House of Representatives too, but the Republicans still kept their big majority. Obviously gerrymandering is still a problem.

We can take the Congress back in 2014, after the Republicans F'up the fiscal cliff.

Over the cliff with them! Force the republicons to actually do something for America for a change.

They only have about 20 days to do something before the end of the year. Two years ago we were trying to do something for Americans, so their hostage taking worked. This year it is up to them to come hat in hand to the Democrats.

This is going to be sooo good........

GOPisextinct,

Well said.

Thanks Silverton,.... :o)

May Fortune favor the Foolish

I doubt this will get posted, but here goes.

I was reading a post before the election that said" If Obama wins, I will be taking my company and leaving America". Well I say good riddance. I ran a small business for 35 years until Little Bush Took us over the Cliff. After being self employed for so many years, well going to work for someone else is hard. But I got a good look at this new Rep led business model. These people have so many layers of Management. Dead weight. These people let there Property's go down hill while taking Huge bonuses and Huge Salary's. They make there people work like slaves, make them live on Welfare because that is the only people they can hire. Yet they rail against the welfare system while they are the one's gaming the system. Look at Walmart. But these young MG's only know numbers. This company I worked for is a Motel right on the water. They charge like $125 a night to stay there. They also have nice pool's too, but the rooms are just low class. there is so much damage to these buildings. I was hired to turn the Maintenance dept. around. But these bean counters wouldn't give the money to make the repairs this place so badly needs. This place, well places as there are sisters Motels, they make $4 million a year. They are the Company's goose that laid the golden egg. Yet these money men don't seem to want to take care of the place. But after seeing some of there other property's well I can see why. I was there one night when a customer came down and said he wanted his money back so he could go to super 8 where the ceilings were not falling down. Then I find out they were steeling money from there customers by charging them a Resort fee of $25 a night, that made the $180,000. Resort my butt. These could be really nice places, if they were taken care of properly. But the Rep business policy is take all you can and let them go bust. Screw the workers.

You did just describe the American business model very well. This is what happened to manufacturing all over the country.

This is why the coal and iron ore being dug up in Wyoming is being shipped to Korea to be made into steel. It was made into steel right there until the late 1980s.

Free Trade is not free.

It seems that some of the wealthy Republican Romney donors,that threatened their workers with lay-offs,and cutting hours for workers if Obama won.Are now laying workers off and cutting others hours for revenge.And they're blaming this on Obama's win. Now is the time to put a stop to this tactic. Those companies were involved in voter intimidation and now need to pay the price for that. The DOJ needs to charge them,if need be,in a RICCO case for their actions. They are playing the same game the wealthy class did in Chile in the 1970's they sabotaged their own country's economy to destroy the elected Allende government and paved the way for a coup. That destroyed democracy there for over 20 years. Don't let them get away with that here. They couldn't threaten,or buy our freedom.Don't let them steal it now.

Thank You, Lord...

Agreed!.......and I LIVE there!!

William-It is so nice top see Florida slip into irrelevancy where it rightly belongs as does the entire south and it's stupid tea bag right wing intolerant bunch of yahoo's.

I think if we can undo the Republican gerrymandered districts,we can win in many of those states. We did win Florida,even with a lot of voter suppression.Due purely to the brave,unbowed Floridians demanding to vote. We won in Virginia and were very close in North Carolina. And even in most of the other Southern States,our vote percentage was in the 40's. A lot of people are waking up to the truth. We just need to overcome the Republican lock on state governments down there.

I see Allen West is having trouble admitting that he lost. I easily admit that I'll be happier with him out of the Congress!

Only 4200 more votes, and Michelle Bachmann would have lost her seat.

1.1% of the vote. Despite outspending her opponent 12 to 1.

Next time, Michelle. Next time.

William: Florida is NOT the South. By ANY stretch of ones imagination.

It's largest demographic is retirees from the northeast & midwest.

And these retiree's tend to be successful people with money.

Many are republicans. Are not interested in educating FL's youth, for they paid taxes up north to educate their kids. Their done , do not want anything that costs money to do. They lock themselves up in gated communities for some false sense of security and importance.

Then add a immigrant population from Cuba , Haiti & Mexico.

Native Floridians ( often called Crackers) constitute approximately 8% of the population.

Anyone from the NE or MW that trashes FL AZ, and soon SC , needs to look in the mirror. It's your relatives.

Yes Real, so true. How can people vote for someone this wrongheaded, is this district gerrymandered? Remember all the doozies? Especially this one - in her own words, here's Bachmann...

IS AMERICA RETARDED ? 200 million??? (No, just some re-gullible-ignore-icants) If you CONVERT 200,000,000 Indian Rupees you get $ 3.5 Million . USD Bush did the SAME TRIP ......with 4.5 million!http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rsoDGWjUWRg&feature=related

More reasons why this person needs to go...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWVGVuviDIQ&NR=1&feature=endscreen

She talks through people with a glazed stare and fixed smile...She attended Oral Roberts U. to get her law degree, but it was taught according to their sect of Christian laws, not like a real university as explained about Dominionism...this is a bit alarming when looked into. Are many aware of her track record of being so biased and wrong on the facts so often and has she been actively helpful to her constituents?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxBf9q8yV9g&feature=related

Terry,

Really good question, post if you find the answer.

NC was a battleground state that Obama did not win. Just a FYI.

Yes, the only one he did not win...of the battleground states.

Hey Vs

Sorry to break it to you, but if he won majority vote, then the majority of America won.

A minority of you misguided republiCON's deceived by the Koch brothers and the tea nazis lost, and thank God for that. In fact, the whole world was thanking God that day.

The USA did the right thing!!

USA!! USA!! USA!! USA!!

He only won by 3 million- hardly a landslide. Especially when there are millions thinking they were getting an Obamaphone or "free" healthcare. Morons.

Who needs a landslide?

Bush declared he had a "mandate" when he lost the popular vote.

Fine, we'll take our mandate and spot you the landslide.

Crystal, why do you people keep talking about Obamaphones? That program started quite a few years before ever became president. Do a little reading once in awhile.

That fact is it was an ELECTORAL LANDSLIDE....and since we live in a representative republic with an electoral college, it is, in fact A LANDSLIDE...

So Crystal (please, stay off the meth), when/if the popular vote means anything (remember AL Gore? He won the popular vote...but let's conveniently forget that for your limited mental capacity's sake), you can have half a point...but...the sad fact for you is, not only was it an electoral landslide, Obama in fact also won the popular vote, however technically irrelevant that is in our system. So you can live in a delusional bubble, or you can join the sane and rational and start looking forward and help get something done instead of bitching and moaning about nonsense.

Crystal,

Please know your facts, at least. George Bush was elected with a smaller vote margin in both of his elections, and the Repubs. thought they were masters of the universe.

To..Crystal """

Why are cons so wrong about everything ACA..free healthcare ...huh

The Obama Phone?
Updated on Nov. 5, 2009

Q: Has the Obama administration started a program to use "taxpayer money" to give free cell phones to welfare recipients?

A: No. Low-income households have been eligible for discounted telephone service for more than a decade. But the program is funded by telecom companies, not by taxes, and the president has nothing to do with it.

http://www.factcheck.org/2009/10/the-obama-phone/
FULL QUESTION

They still don't get it, it's call the melting pot, not the KKK.

verno

Crystal, why do you people keep talking about Obamaphones? That program started quite a few years before ever became president. Do a little reading once in awhile.

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A Mexican telecom mogul , and one of President Obama's top donors is getting even richer from the U.S. government program that supplies so-called "Obamaphones" to the poor.

Carlos Slim, who has an estimated net worth of $70 billion, owns a controlling stake in TracFone, which makes $10 per phone for each device it provides to poor Americans. The company, whose president and CEO is Frederick “F.J.” Pollak, also makes money from extra minutes and data plans it sells to subscribers who get phones and service through the government's Lifeline program. The program, which began in the mid-1980s, has exploded in the past four years after being expanded from supplying landlines to the poor to providing cellular phones.
TracFones and Simple Mobile service are huge players in the Lifeline program through the company's “SafeLink Wireless” brand. TracFone had 3.8 million subscribers through the federal program as of late 2011.
Pollak has donated at least $156,500 to Democratic candidates and committees this cycle, including at least $50,000 to the Obama campaign. His wife, Abigail, is a campaign bundler for Obama and has raised more than $632,000 for the president this cycle. and more than $1.5 million since 2007. She has personally contributed more than $200,000 to Democratic candidates and committees since 2008.

The Pollaks hosted Obama at their Miami Beach home in June for a $40,000-per-plate fundraising dinner, and hosted a similar event with Michelle Obama in July 2008. The couple personally donated a combined $66,200 to Obama’s re-election effort that year.

Jane?Doe:

So to sum up what you said, this is Obama's fault because the program started offering Mobile Phones in addition to Landline? Can you please point me in the direction of the piece of legislation he signed that enabled this?

Because someone donated to a political figure and is involved in the campaign doesn't make everything they do the fault of the Political Figure.

In addition, it's 2012. Shouldn't our federal programs reflect modern technology? Is there a reason they shouldn't have started offering mobile phones instead?

To sum up part of that, are you arguing that the following is true?

Campaign Donations + ??? = Collusion?

Take Solyndra. Is anyone REALLY surprised that Green Energy Companies donated to Democrats? Seriously? Democrats support Green Energy. They'd donate to Democrats even if they weren't getting any favors, just because Democrat policies are more favorable for Green Energy.

I know, SUPRIRSE right?

Ed-2990755

Jane?Doe:

So to sum up what you said, this is Obama's fault because the program started offering Mobile Phones in addition to Landline?

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Your words ed not mine.

The nazis can't admit that President Obama received 61% more votes than williard

Jane?Doe

Cop-out much? For all the rights push of boot straps, you guys sure aren't good at owning up to the content of things you say, are you?

"He only won by 3 million- hardly a landslide."

• He won by a boat load more votes than Bush did in 2004 and Republicans called that a landslide. Most Republicans are in denial. You got your ass handed to you Tuesday. You LOST the White House, you LOST seats in the Senate and you LOST seats in the House. You can spin this forever, play what-if but bottom line --- YOU LOST BIG TIME.

Ed-2990755

Jane?Doe Cop-out much? For all the rights push of boot straps, you guys sure aren't good at owning up to the content of things you say, are you?

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Ed, No cop out. I put up some information that is true. YOU came to a conclusion by YOUR own interpretation of what you read. YOU then came back in a post that was defensive. YOU didn’t get the negative reaction from me that you seem to thrive on. So again YOU become more defensive.

I get a kick out of the way folks like yourself try to judge someone else from behind their keyboard.

I've been a registered Independent all my life ed. so stuff your right wing crap, it is just that, crap.

Yes Ed you are paying for these phones not as a tax but as a service fee in your phone bills. The companies often charge customers to fund their contributions in the form of a universal service fee you might see on your monthly phone bill.

I know, SURPRISE right?

You know ED I will give you my opinion on this, I don’t believe that having a cell phone is a basic necessity of life. It's just another Government program being taken advantage of. You know Ed I'm all for helping people I'm tired of all the abuse in all the programs, Our Government creates them, Can our Government please run them properly. Stop wasting billions of dollars.

Subscribers have been able to sign up for more than one phone, even though only one per household is allowed. The FCC found about 270,000 duplicate subscriptions in 12 states alone in 2011. The FCC says its overhaul will save $200 million this year, and $2 billion over three years.

Yes. The DNC needs to start vetting candidates in GOP districts that can defeat the likes of Boehner et al, and they need to start NOW!. Obama's ground game paid off... we need the same dedication in 2014 to the house races & going for a 60 seat Senate as we did to re-elect the President.

FORWARD!

2010 happened because the Republicans told multitudes of lies about Obamacare which formed the KKK sorry I meant tea party. Look lets spin this election down to it's lowest common denominator.

The majority of the populace in the Blue States knew they were making a choice between a good decent intelligent man and a selfish, greedy, know thief and liar.

The majoity of the populace in the Red States made a choice between a Black Man and a White Man.

The Republicans are VERY vulnerable to their own playbook from 2010. I think the Dems finally have enough backbone to target the house very effectively for 2014....

2010 happened because...

...because of poor voter turnout, mostly.

The majoity of the populace in the Red States made a choice between a Black Man and a White Man.

More likely, at least "the 27%". But the Extremist Wing is getting very trigger happy, judging from the increased nasty response to being debunked as liars/delusional/poor losers.

But definitely losers.

It's telling that the states that know Mitt best didn't vote for him. He lost Massachusetts in a landslide, he lost New Hampshire, he lost Michigan by a wide margin, and he lost Wisconsin, although Ryan did make it closer than it would have been. And, according to Bill Maher he got fewer Mormon votes than John Mccain got. I'm curious if his family voted for him.

While states like Alabama, Mississippi, and Tennessee are the places to be.

It's telling that the dem states like Calif., Illinois, and Michigan are cesspools

It is telling that a repub voter has their head completely up their own a$$ with this comment, and your ability to pick out livable states is matched only by your ability to select candidates for the highest office.

Obama--------Forward

Repubs---------Backward

The better educated populations are in the Blue States. The Red States just have too many Gomers.

It's telling that some cannot be troubled to spell out California.

Hi Rusty! Just got back from an Obama for America Party and it was great! Lots of food and good company. We all found out while we were there that Obama won in Florida too so on the whole we all had a great day.

@ Yoda.

I'm very glad to hear from you friend!!!

It sounds like a very worthwhile excursion. May the new year bring you all the joys and rewards of your efforts. Please keep in touch.

Rusty

@crystal,

If any person has anger issues beyond their control, maybe the person should talk to a professional solver of that medical situation. I just want to tell you we are not your enemy. Obama is not your enemy. Unless you make over 250,000 dollars/yr and you don't want to pay an additional 3% (that's $138.00 a week more for someone that makes over $5,000.00/wk), this doesn't effect you. Unless it's personal.

@crystal

Alfred E. Newman would like you to stop insulting his picture

Even if the electoral college was scrapped, he still would have won because he got the popular vote on top of the electoral college.

Even if the electoral college was scrapped, he still would have won because he got the popular vote on top of the electoral college.

Which is precisely the point. 95% of the time, the Electorial College simply repeats and rubber-stamps the popular vote tally in a ritual that wastes time, money, and effort. The 4 times that (5%) the Electorial College disagrees with the Popular vote we ended up with an unpopular president, badly damaged politically, resulting in a disastrous Presidency.

Moreover, no other elected office uses an Electorial college - not Senators, nor Representatives, nor Governors, nor State or Local officials. All of those work just fine with popular vote only.

Conclusion: The Electorial College system should be scrapped, it was a bad idea that shouldn't have been implemented in the first place. The Founding Fathers realized that they could make mistakes, that's why they implemented a provision for amending the Constitution, to correct errors like these.

CM - the electoral college was necessary back when the Constitution was written, because there was no way to get all of the vote totals to a central location in any reasonable amount of time.

So they decided to have each state send representatives to the capital to declare who their state wanted for President.

There's no need to perpetuate that system today, though. It's just another anachronism of the pre-industrial era of our country.

"The 2000/2004 presidential elections were exercises of trickery and deceit! The Republicans were bent on taking/keeping power, damning principles and fair-play in the process of winning the White House!!" Sometimes the truth must be put out there for all to see.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2009/feb/18/al-gore/al-gore-optimistic-about-solar-energy-and-pretty-a/

One can only imagine; two wars avoided, farther ahead on the inevitable transfer to clean renewable energy for homes and transportation, a much lower deficit if any, and yet there are those who are still thinking they would be better off, even after all the damage done and all that has been suffered and lost by so many. Wish we could have painted that House blue again this time. Next upgrade in 2014 will include savvy new candidates and some affordable thin film photovoltaic solar panels for the roof too please... Forward! ->

LOL, wish I would have been watching Fox.

When NBC announced that Obama had won Ohio, I thought it would be fun to turn it to FOX & see what they were saying... I got there just in time to see Karl Rove in his meltdown. PRICELESS!

Any chance it's on youtube?

It's not only on youtube but they sent their news bunny down to their situation room to ask their experts if calling it was correct (live camera feed and everything) they said "it's over b "

I actually caught a clip of that. Priceless.

EMDF9A, I had the same thought about that same time. Took me a while to find the station( it's been such a long time). Fox was like a funeral service. Very depressing. Left before the Rove escapade to join those that were celebrating.

It's never too late to rub it in.

What utter frickin' nonsense. There was no deity involved in this election (or any other one) and neither should there be.

What was involved was the dedication of the electorate - standing in line for hours to exercise their franchise, the party workers - tirelessly canvassing and cajoling, and the candidates - moving around the country giving speech after photo-op after interview after TV spot.

So you can take you new-age bulls**t, wad it up tight and shove it where the sun don't shine. Leave governing to the secular.

I'm hoping one benefit of this election is maybe the wealthy donors will be a bit more hesitant to throw their millions into the ring. The greatest satisfaction I have from this is that the people carried the vote over the money. All that money poured into Romney's campaign couldn't get their guy elected. Norquist was wrong, they need more than just someone who can sign his name. Maybe now they know it's going to take substance and ideas. They will need to search high and low in the Republican party to find that.

To..dragon"""

Repubs will just move further to right like they always do .."romney wasn't conservative enough "

is their read on this

Amunaka has a point. The GOP talking heads are not accepting that they lost because they failed to connect with voters. They keep saying that they lost because they were not conservative enough. Now come on folks, you cant tell me that a popular win and an electoral landslide to a slightly left of center president would have gone the other way if the GOP contender was MORE of a RWNJ? Wake up and smell the coffee!

Ayup! My wife took an online poll that was transparently weighted to only one conclusion:

More War!

They did not make enough money off of the Iraq Abortion and want to start another war.

Republicans are preparing for the future. Democrats need to stay vigilant. There is a challenge to the 1965 Voting Rights Act that is going up before the Supreme Court that was announced three days after the election. Seems that legislative voter suppression failure could have something to do with the court's timing of this challenge.

Also, the rollout of George Prescott Bush, 36 year old son of Jeb Bush is planned to make him POTUS 47, marketing him as the first Hispanic President.

Also US House of Representative baggers are considering 2014 US Senate races.

Need to keep and maintain the Obama ground teams to fire up liberals to get out the vote for these mid-term races.

La-I'm hoping one benefit of this election is maybe the wealthy donors will be a bit more hesitant to throw their millions into the ring.

As much as I hope so,I doubt it. Its like casino gaming or playing the lotto. Even when people lose,they still play. The payoff is so large,they don't want to think of the losses.

@Dragonmaster:
The GOP will either be dragged further to the right by the Tea Party/Libertarians or split. It cannot survive in its current reality-denying form.

@EMDF9A:
Obama is certainly NOT left of center. His political position is effectively that of a Rockerfeller or Eisenhower republican. Al Franken and Diane Feinstein are slightly left of center. You forget to take into account the far rightward shift of the Overton window i.e. People once considered liberal are now considered socialist, and socialists are thought to be communists.

True. Obama has always been a right of center politician. Visit this site and click on 2012 election. You will be surprised.

The Political Compass

Mitt in Iowa:

"I really like Corn! Especially the Corn Here!! Where it grows right, to as high as an Elephant's Eye!!! Will you Vote For M, Please?!?!"

The answer was a resounding "NO!!!!" Amd Everyone with a lick of sense knows what THAT means.

Four More Years For Obama!

They are. They just don't vote.

The fallacy with King's maps is that they're showing nothing more than acreage, not constitutents. It's very misleading and I've written to CNN about with a suggestion that they need to design maps that visulally convey population densities, not area.

Exactly, win the cities, don't worry about the grass, hay, etc, now we need to focus on the 2014 house and take it over. These repubs are done and they know it.

Ohio and Kentucky, get rid of Boner and McConnel

Have any of you read "Whistling Past Dixie: How Democrats Can Win Without the South"? 

It was written by Tom Schaller back in 2006. Real fortune-telling, and a good read.

It's time for everyone to be happy, America won and it's the Marine Corps's birthday!!!

America just won without the south...Florida as late as they always are wasn't even needed!

The state with the biggest percentage for Romney was Utah ( Western state). The husbands in Utah told their seven wifes each.... to vote for Romney. LOL

Maybe we're not very smart up here in Canada, but we don't take 4 days to count votes in an election.

Oh, and we're not looking forward to watching our neighbors to the south trying to run the US of A for another 4 years with total disagreement between the Republican and Democrat egos. What a poor example for how democracy works.

Can we put Nate Silver on the 2016 ticket somewhere?

"Real Math for Real Americans!"