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Voters use touch screen voting booths to participate in electronic voting during the first day of early voting October 22, 2012 in Washinton, DC.
Leading Republican pollster Bill McInturff is cautioning analysts to not jump to the conclusion that voter turnout in Tuesday’s election was down from 2008.
As of Thursday about 119.4 million votes had been counted in the presidential election – compared to a total vote in the 2008 presidential election of 131 million.
But not all the votes cast in the 2012 election have been counted yet, McInturff said on Friday.
He pointed out that two days after the 2008 election, nearly 10 million votes hadn’t yet been counted. To put that in perspective, a total of nearly 8.4 million votes were cast in Florida that year.
Among those votes still to be tallied from Tuesday’s election are absentee ballots and provisional ballots cast, for example, by voters who went to the wrong precinct. (Some of those provisional votes may ultimately be invalidated and would not be counted, however).
“Turnout as a percent of citizens-of-voting-age population will be down this cycle, but, there’s still a chance the total vote cast will be as large or slightly larger than in 2008,” McInturff said.
The pollster also said that 42 percent of the drop in voter turnout on Tuesday is coming from three states hit hard by Hurricane Sandy last week: Connecticut, New York and New Jersey. All three are predominantly Democratic states which President Barack Obama easily carried both in 2008 and on Tuesday.
Voter turnout was up from 2008 levels in eight battleground states. For example, turnout was up by more than 8 percent in Colorado, which Obama won, and by 5.5 percent in North Carolina, which Republican candidate Mitt Romney carried.
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OK...but democracy is a wonderful thing... a regular voter's ballot is as valuable as that of Mitt the Millionaire..
wonderful...
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FORWARD....
Mitt failed to take his home town of Belmont.
Mitt failed to take his home state of Massachusetts.
Mitt failed to take his summer home state of NH
Mitt failed to take his father's state of Michigan
Mitt failed to take his other home state of California
Funny how the more you know him the less likely you were to vote for him.
I'm very interested in this. I hope they break it down and can tell us what the turnout was by party and region.
When Romney was campaigning for the GOP nomination I speculated that the fact he is Mormon would keep Southern Evangelicals away from the polls. Now, don't get in a snit but it's a well-known fact that the Baptists and evangelical protestants do not regard the LDS church as a branch of the Christian faith and some go so far as to regard it as a 'heresy'.
So, I'm curious what the final tally will show us. I suspect overall voter apathy will be the number one reason. But it would be interesting to see if Southern Evangelicals could have played a larger role in Romney's defeat.
Maybe if the repubs hadn't tried the voter suppression thingy the turnout would have been even more remarkable in the eight battleground states were up from 2008 levels.
Leading Republican pollster Bill McInturff is cautioning analysts to not jump to the conclusion that voter turnout in Tuesday’s election was down from 2008.
What difference does it make. "O Won"
GT - IF you're some of the Rwing Kool-aid drinkers, they've been tasting a brew lately that has been telling them that there was LESS turnout than 2008, ergo LESS people voted for O than the last time, hence 'he didn't get a mandate from the majority of the public'. ANY excuse still, eh?
There were a few idiots on the boards earlier this morning making that so-called 'point' - even on articles that had NOTHING to do with the election or politics.
They'll be here shortly, saying the same thing. Really - instead of pestering people on these boards, they should GO BACK AND COMPLAIN TO THEIR OWN PARTY INSTEAD OF POST THEIR NON-SENSE HERE. Honestly, I'm sick of it already...
Saw on Ebay today..someone is selling $25,000 worth of fire works in Boston for only $5,000..great buy.
Hahaha, good-un.
I know we shouldn't spike the football, but it's hard not to when the rightwingers are so busy with lies, hypocrisy, and anger (AKA Bullsh!t Mountain) about the election now -- and "times that are a changing" going forward. Instead of admitting to a shellacking the way the president did in 2010, look at McConnell/Boehner and their rightwing supporters acting like they won the election.
The president not only won the electoral college, but also the popular vote by a comfortable margin (with more votes coming in for him). The Dems picked up seats in the Senate and the House. The Dems would have a majority in the House if not for gerrymandering in states like Pennsylvania. President Obama has far more of a mandate and capital to spend than Dubya ever had. No, Republicans don't get to dictate or control the agenda!
To the rightwing: Day 1 -- Join the rest of the world and stop talking only to one another. Get rid of Rush, FAUX Noise, and websites disconnected from the real world. This is, and will be your primary problem in adjusting to the future.
I forgot -- The Dems also made gains at the state level from governors to state legislators to propositions.
And all this despite voter suppression, gerrymandering, dark money, and general clusterf@#ks in Florida and Arizona. Not to mention thousands of votes President Obama lost due to Hurricane Sandy.
States like Indiana, North Carolina, etc. will be joined by Texas, Arizona in turning purple...
More transcript excerpts from The Rachel Maddow Show:
Paraphrasing a bumper sticker, the Democrats may not be perfect, but the Republicans are nuts.
Sure the turnout is down but you must take into account that people in southern states that were no contest for Obama so voters on both sides probably felt that their vote would not help or was not need since Romney was winning their state by a wide margin. The same can be said about states like NY and NJ that was hit by the storm where voters either felt they had more important thing to attend to since polls showed the state was so one sided for Obama that they chose to stay home and take care of business.
There was also the vote suppression by the Republicans that had people standing in line for up to 8 hours to vote. You can't tell me that some people got tired and left without voting.
Now the RWNJ's are blaming the storm for Myth Robme losing his "momentum" thus costing him the election. Following the usual logic of the right, that would mean that even God didn't want the R&R team winning.
Can anyone explain how we know within minutes exactly how many people voted for American Idol contestants, but we still (as of Friday night) don't know who won Florida? I mean, we KNOW Obama won, but why aren't we at 100% reporting within 6 hours of poll closings in this modern world?
WilliamOfRites
Thank you for your enlightening post however you over looked another location. Most people don't know it but Romney is building another mansion in Ohio right next to the dirtiest coal burning plant in the nation for his support of coal burners. He didn't take Ohio either.
I'm sure the news medial will publish pictures of him and his wife enjoying healthy outdoor activities with large amounts of coal burning smoke and pollution blasting the air in the background of his new mansion.
Whoaa, not so fast with the count! Remember Florida isn't represented in this number, and when Florida comes in, we're counting on sometime before spring of next year, it will change these figures greatly.
Breaking news from PNN (the Pigotry News Network)...
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Obama just won Florida -
never a doubt in my mind. Ryan's voucher plan has helped.
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FORWARD...
This has been a PNN breaking news update - PNN - a nun-partisan news network - our motto? 'We love nuns.'
Tuesday night's Democratic victories are a canary in a Republican coal mine.
They are a harbinger of election trends to come as an increasingly diverse electorate expressed its will. Populism won the day over the creeping fascism that had been steadily advancing since Reagan's time. People are tired of their wages and benefits being subordinated by avaricious CEO's. People tired of watching from the sidelines as income redistribution enriched the already wealthy and cannibalized their prosperity, their child's college funds, and our collective futures.
A self-made, fatherless, black community organizer from Chicago was picked in favor of a privileged, silver spooned, coddled, child of inherited wealth, power and entitlement whose only talent was devouring the pensions, jobs, livelihoods and aspirations of the less well-born.
Republicans, now on suicide watch are dissecting their electoral rejection and attributing it to any number of causes but the obvious: America doesn't like you.
This increasingly irrelevant party watched in astonishment as its voter suppression tactics and anti-populism focus proved a flaccid response to human tidal wave of Democratic voters swarming the polls. They are extracting the wrong lesson from the drubbing as they seek to carry themselves further right to staunch the voter loss.
Take pride America. Forward.
Sorry. I just couldn't help myself.
I just ordered 4 of the bumper stickers that say "He Won, Get Over It"
Gonna put them right next to my Firearms Exchange gun range bumper sticker. Then at stop lights I'm going to watch in the rear-view mirror as Rightie heads explode. :o)
Perverse pleasure? Yes. Lack of maturity on my part? Yes
Forward.
Sorry for double post
Romney's down fall was his VP pick, this cost him the Election !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I read elsewhere that the photo ID laws being pushed by ALEC's Republican members may have prevented two attempts at voter fraud Tuesday. Oh, incidentally, both of these Republicans who tried to vote twice were caught, in spite of no voter ID laws, and have been charged.
Now that more reliable information is coming in, it looks like white voters did not turn-out -- Neither for Romney or President Obama. So, this would indicate to me that some moderates unhappy with the economy did not vote this time for the president, but Romney was not an acceptable alternative.
The economy would have been in better shape had Teapublicans not obstructed, so I don't see this as reflecting on the president poorly. However, that these white voters did not support Romney says a lot.
Let's just make sure progressives get out the vote in this next mid-term, as we can't afford more Teapublican gerrymandering of districts such as occurred in Pennsylvania. Otherwise the Dems would have a majority in the House too right now, and The People would have gotten the movement they want from Congress.
i had thought that the voter suppression efforts might have reduced turnout. turns out it may have enhanced it by stepping up the democratic get out the vote efforts.
sweet irony.
Florida - the panhandle state - is in trouble again??
.... possibly suffering from prostate... too many seniors don't know all about how to 'handle' the hanging chads.
Also Arizona. Election reform, as well as legislation to combat $$$ via Citizen's United is on the way... finally!
Transcript excerpts from The Rachel Maddow:
“We are not going to have a Supreme Court that will overturn Roe versus Wade. There will be no more Antonin Scalias and Samuel Alitos added to this court.
We`re not going to repeal health reform.
Nobody is going to kill Medicare and make old people in this generation or any other generation fight it out on the open market to try to get themselves health insurance.
[BECAUSE]
We are not going to give a 20 percent tax cut to millionaires and
billionaires and expect programs like food stamps and kid`s insurance to
cover the cost of that tax cut.
We`re not going to make you clear it with your boss if you want to get birth
control under the insurance plan that you`re on.
We are not going to redefine rape.
We are not going to amend the United States Constitution to stop gay
people from getting married.
We are not going to double Guantanamo.
We are not eliminating the Department of Energy or the Department of
Education or housing at the federal level.
We are not going to spend $2 trillion on the military that the
military does not want. We are not scaling back on student loans, because
the country`s new plan is that you should borrow money from your parents.
We are not vetoing the DREAM Act. We are not self-deporting. We are
not letting Detroit go bankrupt.
We are not starting a trade war with China on Inauguration Day in
January. We are not going to have, as a president, a man who once led a
mob of friends to run down a scared, gay kid, to hold him down and forcibly
cut his hair off with a pair of scissors while that kid cried and screamed
for help and there was no apology, not ever.
We are not going to have a Secretary of State John Bolton. We are not
bringing Dick Cheney back. We are not going to have a foreign policy shop
stocked with architects of the Iraq war. We are not going to do it.
We had the chance to do that if we wanted to do that, as a country.
And we said no, last night, loudly.”
On one hand we had a spineless wimp of a guy who cares more about himself than anyone (Obama) and on the other hand we have some rich jackass who's idea of relating to the people is talking bout his wife's Mercedes (Romney). We're damned regardless of the jerk who wins so I can see that as a reason why people didn't vote.
My thoughts:
- We're too stupid to vote and it shows since people are willing to vote only democratic or republican. There's no way that either of these two horrible entities are enough to represent the needs of the people.
- Our government had a great run but it's time for a new government structure. We've successfully destroyed our current structure with evils like lobbying and political parties.
That spineless wimp showed more backbone than nearly every politician on both sides when he tried to create a centrist healthcare plan that would appeal to the insurance companies AND the rabid left.
Unfortunately, while this country talks a good game, most people wouldn't know compromise if it fondled their junk and stuck its tongue in their ear.
Turnout definitely seemed up in Chicago. And, the lines in other states appeared to be longer than in 2008. It's always a good thing when more people participate in our election process. Voting is a responsibility if you want Democracy to work!
Looks like it was up in Colorado too! Way to go Colorado! Turning BLUE!
I wonder how many voters in solid Red or Blue states felt less important and didn't vote.
Colorado was way up dude..... cause of the stoner vote! Way cool man, I can smoke some dope legally! Right on man!!
I don't know how the rest of you felt about the election, but the stoner's in Co are sure partying.....
Looks like it was up in Colorado too! Way to go Colorado! Turning BLUE!
The voter turnout was really "High"....LOL...
If voting was mandatory, the Republicans would have tanked a long time ago.
I'm sure in Chicago, they all VOTED EARLY AND VOTED OFTEN!
It's a shame voter turnout was down at all in such an important election.
I know I am biased but I wonder what the popular vote margin would have been without the impact of Hurricane Sandy and the Republican voter suppression efforts.
I wonder how many $ were spent on each voter?
It's not so much what was spent, rather the return on investment. Karl Rove got 1% back for the special interest gazillionaires.
Linda McMahon was the epitome of money not working, or rightwingers thinking tokenism of getting a black or woman or Latino to run will get minority votes. Women rejected McMahon big time. Teapublicans -- It's your policies that suck!
The DCCC says that the average grass roots donation was $35. You better believe we got our money's worth!
I may be going way out on a limb here but maybe if you want to win an election you shouldn't outright insult 47% of the voting public, alienate 1/2 of the remaing 53% and attempt to disenfranchise the few remaining.
WilliamOfRites, I don't think that's going out on a limb ... I think that's more of a bona fide FACT!
WilliamOfRites - common sense would tell you it's not smart to insult ANY group while you're a candidate or an elected official. Pretty sure common sense is lacking in many Republican politicians.
Seeking: Indeed, and the proof is in the pud - em, their fan-bases postings....
and the Republican voter suppression efforts.
TNSEVOL - Hannity and Rove claim the the Dems are the ones who suppressed the vote....LMAO...
GT - that IS something, innit? There is a name for that kind of condition (blaming others for your own actions) but I can't recall the name.... mostly the term is used for people who cheat on their spouses and then start asking/accusing their spouse if the spouse is/are/have been cheating on them. Hells - I wish I could recall it, but Abnormal Psych 405 was some years ago.
There is a good article online though called "Stop Blaming Others - Your Life Sucks Because of You"... seriously!
at least they didn't take Utah away from him....he might want to retire there.
Alex, it's called "projection" and you are right on the money. Republicans kept talking about "voter fraud", yet every case of voter fraud that we are aware of was conducted by Republicans. Also, Faux News is always talking about "media bias" and they are the most blatantly biased "news" source in the US.
Towards the end of the campaign, the Republicans started accusing Obama of using hateful attack ads during the campaign. Never mind four years of birther talk and accusing Obama of being a Moslem Marxist who was trying to overthrow the US.
I must say the best part was Karl Rove insisting on Faux News that Ohio was still in play, even when it was obviously lost. It reminded me of the Wicked Witch at the end of "Wizard of Oz" -- "I'm melting, melting, what a world! What a world!!"
"I must say the best part was Karl Rove insisting on Faux News that Ohio was still in play, even when it was obviously lost"
The right wing noise machine (entertainment industry) lied to they supporters. The polls were not stacked and Fox, Limbaugh and the rest of them knew it. Ohio was not in play nor was Michigan, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Iowa -- most of the so called "swing states' were all but impossible for Romney to win. Yet people like Karl Rove, Dick Morris, Sean Hannity and who knows how many others had their sheep convinced Romney would win in a landslide.
I see a bumper sticker every so often reading 'I don't believe the liberal media." We can debate how "liberal" the media is but what that sticker says to me is --- I DON'T WANT TO BELIEVE REALITY.
Oh, no, no, no! The best part was when Fox News's Megyn Kelly asked Karl Rove something we have all been wanting to ask Republicans for the last 4 years:
"Is this just math you do as a Republican to make yourself feel better?"
Priceless!
The only reason why the democrats got the hispanic vote is due to free stuff it had nothing to do with immigration reform. The USDA is advertising in Mexico to come here and apply for food stamps.
Of course, all hispanics like 'free stuff'.
It couldn't possibly be that Hispanics and other minorities intelligently evaluated the opposing policies and visions for the country of the two major political parties and determined that the Democrats' agenda more closely reflected their own beliefs?
Nah, had to be the free stuff.
If Republicans keep ignoring the legitimacy of their oppositions' views it will be a long time before they win another national election.
Hello Callen Texas, you really need to start dating outside your family circle. Wow!
The only reason why the democrats got the hispanic vote is due to free stuff it had nothing to do with immigration reform. The USDA is advertising in Mexico to come here and apply for food stamps.
Callen - Show us the source of your information....
@Callous Texan,
Yes lets see you source please.
TrustVerify: Definitely Callen making statements like his leads one to wonder if he isn't dating his sister. I can hear it already:
'what's wrong with that? she comes from good stock - she's skinny but she's strong....'.
ANY body - hispanic, black, asian, female - the people that voted for O agreed that the RWING POLICIES BLOODY SUCKED, full stop
Callen Texas - your post just shows again, how idiotic Republicans can be. There is no such ad in Mexico - or anywhere eles for that matter.
Only Republicans talk about "free" stuff. Since I and my friends all work hard my guess is that means Republicans are the ones lining up for "free" stuff.
Seeking: and Repubs lining up for Federal assistance programs and other 'free' stuff is nothing new. Red states have always gotten back MORE money than they pay in taxes - a disproportionate share of the nation's taxes. They are there with their hand out, alright - the whole time complaining and hating on the Gov. What a bunch of IGNORANT losers...
Callen Texas
His "source" is Rush..lol
I heard him say this BS today. What Rush lies about and Callen Texas is to much of a ditto head to look into is the outreach to Mexican Americans was IN the United States and NOT in Mexico
That is what Puerto Rico is looking for, FREE everything. They will be another Welfare state for sure! Next 4 years, higher unemployment, higher Welfare and Food Stamps. This is the mentality the majority of the Americans voted for. To depend on the government to support the people and not to work and earn there own living. Free Enterprise will be limited in the future. G*D help us ALL! Not a republican either. Just someone with common sense.
Callen Texas
That true.
I personally got Freedom of Speech, Freedom of Religion, and Freedom to peaceably assemble.
Thank you President Obama!!!!
Absolutely Love our Democracy!!!
Salud
I really wasn't aware that the republicans lived in such a delusional world. Listen to what they were saying about the election. Especially election night. And now listen to what they are saying about the election. Earth to republicans. Earth to republicans. Pay attention. I was really surprised too when I made myself watch Fox News the other night. And the next day I saw exactly what they said on Msnbc. They played the tape. Delusional. Where do their ideas come from? Not reality.
"The only reason why the democrats got the hispanic vote is due to free stuff it had nothing to do with immigration reform."
Ya know Callen -- that "free stuff" is the latest slogan coming from the right wing entertainment industry. Bill O'Lilley started it after the election. It's total BS and just an example of the simple mindedness of the average Fox/Limbaugh cultist. It is that mindset that explains why Republicans were trounced last Tuesday. If Republicans stay on that path, one defeat will be followed by another and then another.
"I really wasn't aware that the republicans lived in such a delusional world"
Well -- something like 38% of registered Republicans believe that the earth is about 6,000 years old. Almost half of them believe that President Obama was born in Kenya even though Kenya didn't exist in 1961, the year he was born. A huge majority of the believe their federal income taxes have gone up in the last 4 years when in fact -- they've gone down. Something like 35% still believe we found WMD in Iraq. The list of falsehoods goes on and on.
Many Republicans get all their information from Fox and right wing talk radio. Some reasonable Republicans are beginning to call that the "right wing entertainment industry." But the bottom line is Fox, Limbaugh and the rest of them are LYING to their people and their people fall for the lies. They're telling their listeners what they WANT to hear, not what is actually happening.
So Obama really didn't win?? Sweet Jesus a miracle!
what are you having?? why are you hallucinating??
Sorry, it turned out that the voters had a 'liberal bias' just like the polls.
TNSEVOL: is it really true that you can buy a Karl Rove doll: now with a new 'bobble head' accessory? Must look just like the real thing when Ohio was called by Faux News.....
Alex-
Yes. If you act now you can get a free Mitt Romney weathervane (well-oiled, of course) and a Paul Ryan (ditto) workout video for no extra charge!
You know - I've heard pundits on both sides claim for the last five or more years that NO ONE can be exactly like Karl Rove. Must be true, because lately, even HE has trouble doing it....
Turn out had to be up. MSNBC said it was so it has to be true. Every major population center had increases in numbers of blacks reportedly voting, so every project, homeless shelter and drunk tank was emptied out and delivered to the polls. Our cities are storage centers for the lab rats the democrats need for the elections. They are fed and housed and when the bell rings they salivate and run to the polling places before heading home to their cages until next time they have a purpose in life.
Mr Obama may get his second term, but it is much more about firing someone hired under affirmative action rather than doing a good job and getting a contract extension.
sandiego1969 - the ignorance of your post is only overshadowed by your eagerness to post it for all to see. Let me guess - you're NOT racist, right?
sandiego1969: MSNBC called EVERY state correctly (including Ohio) so that must be true too....
and it IS. Why don't you go back to your rubber room where the rest of the Rwing sobbers are and console yourself by stating this non-sense: at least someone would BELIEVE your bollocks there.
How about a Faux line: SOME PEOPLE SAY that 2 out of every 3 Republicans have an intelligence that is far under the national norm; so check two of your friends and if one is okay, then em.....
man that is some heavy hate.
The Karl Rove doll would have to have an exploding head that explodes when you press a button and it plays a recording of Faux News announcing that Obama has just won re-election.. I would definitely pay for one of those.
could you be more racist? All blacks are in drunk tanks or homless shelters?
sandiego69 .. IGNORANT .... serious problems missy .... get some help !
"Every major population center had increases in numbers of blacks reportedly voting, so every project, homeless shelter and drunk tank was emptied out and delivered to the polls".
Here we have an example of a delusional conservative believing the LIES spewed out by the right wing entertainment industry. Think about this sandiego1969 --- had republicans spent less time talking about birth certificates and more talking about real tax reform, do you think the election may have turned out differently? Had Republicans spent less time talking about rape and more time talking about education, do you think the election would have turned out differently? Guess what -- it wasn't because Democrats emptied the drunk tanks that you lost, it's because the nation rejected your ideas.
Flat tax, cut the government aide while auditing all that goes out and who/why it goes out to, stop supporting any non citizens (aide, medical, etc).
Government employees (all employees) need to startbeing held accountable. Do your job....in the private/sector most would be fired for lack of performance.
Not surprised-
Really? In the business world there are a lot of incompetent people with jobs. If CEOs do a crappy job they get paid millions to go away.
Anyone who thinks the private sector is a model of efficiency and good judgement hasn't spent much time in the corporate world. Shows like 'The Office' and comic strips like 'Dilbert' may be satirical but they are based on real-life experiences.
The private sector gas stations could not pump gas after Sandy because they did not have gererators. They had gas but it could not be pumped. The convience store orginization rep said it would cost $10k for a generator, but they only get a penny a gallon profit. In Florida if you have a station you are required by law to have a generator. Well, if you want gas you want requlations.
"in the private/sector most would be fired for lack of performance."
This idea that the private sector is some kind of bubbling pot of effectiveness and efficiency is a myth. I'm a recently retired marketing products director form one of the huge food companies. Believe me -- BILLIONS are wasted every year. The private sector has the good old boy syndrome, the political opportunist, the back stabbers and the empire builders probably more os than the government. I saw this in the company I was with and I saw in in our competition. This lack of effectiveness and efficiency runs from the largest of the largest all the way down to your local grocery store.
So the Republicans will be licking their wounds for a very long time I suspect. However, it is frightening how they are blaming the loss on external factors (Hurricane Sandy), the actions of Governor Christie in New Jersey, and Obama himself for suppressing the Republican vote (Karl Rove). Really? This is a Party that has gone off the deep end, or as Brian Williams so eloquently stated about Donald Trump: "Donald Trump, who has driven well past the last exit to relevance and veered into something closer to irresponsible, here, is tweeting tonight.”
Memo to NBC: Cancel The Apprentice and anything else Trump is involved with at your organization. He IS as irresponsible and irrelevant as the Republican Party is becoming. BTW ... memo to Rupert Murdock: Time to clean house over at Fox News. Hannity, O'Reilly and scores of others need to go! The alternate reality they live in and espouse is inconsistent with the reality perceived by mainstream America. You KNOW they only appeal to low-information and uneducated viewers, who are easily indoctrinated into the conservative fold.
And thank you, Meghan McCain, for clearly stating the future of the Republican Party: Change or die.
Garandall you said :
"You KNOW they only appeal to low-information and uneducated viewers, who are easily indoctrinated into the conservative fold."
No. Actually the more you know and understand the less likely you are to be taken in by empty headed logic.
Quantumfoam1 - so Garandall was correct. The more educated and intelligent voters are liberal while Republicans tend to be low information voters. They know little and are easily fooled - by no logic at all.
Quantumfoam: You KNOW if you've read Chris Mooney's book 'The Republican War on Science'.
You might also know because the studies have been ALL OVER the INTERNET: you know - that thing you're using now... Fox News Viewers are the Most Misinformed: A Seventh Study Arrives to Prove It — and Vindicate Jon Stewart!
Rupert Murdoch has exactly the people he wants at FauxNews... a bunch of will-say-anything-for-money talking heads that espouse Murdoch's RWNJ views and attempt to make it believable....
That should be the memo: Rupert, it's not working....LOL!
What's funny about this is the average Fox viewer just can't see that Rupert Murdoch is in this for the money. It's NOT about ideology. If Murdoch could make more money putting out a fanatical anti-right wing product, he would do that. But the left is a little more intelligent that the right so he sticks with easy sell.
One thing for sure. The fat, white, gullible, teabag hillbillies that were so happy in 2010 have only so much power. And it's diminishing by the day.
gravis - that's because their numbers are diminishing every day! Old, pale and stale only lasts so long.
Gravis: What fills your heart so full of hate?
Quantum: you should be asking yourself the same thing after your above post to grandall.
BETTER YET: why don't you go back to the rubber spin room and ask your pals there the same question, because that's where all the 'Political Hate-Speak' came from in the FIRST place. While you're at it: Spare me your mockery of innocence.
Sara Palin made fun of community organizers in the 08 electon. Implied they didn't know much and their role was inconsequential. Obama, the political organizer and his team certainly knew how to pinpoint and get out their communities of voters all across the country.
Romney, the business man and supposed numbers guy, couldn't tally the votes going Obama's way in Ohio no more than he could make the numbers work for his propose budget plan that would have cut taxes while increasing spending.
A little common sense goes a long way. Talking about numbers, glad to see that Rove and his Crossroads GPS PAC spent so much money with so little ROIu. Another good example of Republic businessman handling of the numbers.
Judy - as has been proved in the past - Businessmen make lousy Presidents! Dodged a bullet there with Mitt, didn't we?
Taking more tax money from the highest tax earners will only make the majority of them, (employers) cut back on expenses (employees) thus causing higher unemployment, lower payroll taxes because of fewer jobs, and a tax increase across the board because that plan mathematically won't payoff...Speaking as an employer I DO know what i am talking about...
Mike: The other thing that seems to slip past the folks here is that when the Rich pay all the taxes, who do you think the Pols will listen to.
My congressman, nor two Senators, not the President or his VP have ever returned my calls.
An oligarchy is where we are headed. Right now Nero and his fiddle would be pleased with the Bread and Circuses.
MIKE How about we do away with all taxes for the rich, since they are the "Job creators". That's the argument you are making and it is a silly one at best.
Middle class consumers are the real job creators, not the rich. The "Wealthy people create jobs" concept is one myth that needs to die. If you are an employer (rich person) who is going to cut expenses (employees) because you have to pay higher taxes, and that results in your business growing and becoming more profitable, then you are a bad manager who had too many employees. Otherwise you are just throwing a suicidal tantrum. If the rich created jobs in proportion to their accumulated wealth we would be swimming in jobs right now.
any body with any brains knows if you have more orders than you can do , you wont fire people , you will have to hire or get out of the way so somebody else will fill your orders , and you will go out of business. and also you can not hire people if you don't have orders for the goods you provide. only makes sense,
"Taking more tax money from the highest tax earners will only make the majority of them, (employers) cut back on expenses (employees) thus causing higher unemployment,"
Home from school, are we Alex? Be sure to watch Rachel and Ed.
you know what the funny thing about all this Obama nor rommey told you anything that cam close to the truthand they did care you new they just wanted to get elected and did care about being honest and you fool fell for it hook line and sinker. the Both did and said the same crap and most of it was a lie.
Oddball: Pretty much the case. Here, is mostly hooray for my side.
We all agree that tax cuts for those making under 250,000 a year should be extended.
So, why not pass that bill next week Mr. Boehner?
16 Trillion requires everyone to pay more in taxes. The Goose who laid the Golden Egg has been plucked and tossed into the pot with that old rag called the Constitution.
We have Lincoln and FDR to thank.
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So much for Karl roves most recent excuse.... On to excuse number 4?
hey Ozzie why not just give them away or use them for kindling wood?
Off topic, but today on CNN Mary Matalin actually blamed Obama for the defeat of the GOP. Because of his attacks on the good and righteous name of Romney. The extreme right need to take the blinders off.
Then later, also on CNN, David Frum said" The problem with the Republican leaders is they're Cowards" Frum continued to say "The conservative follower ship has been fleeced, exploited, lied to by the conservative entertainment complex"!
Why has it taken someone so long to say the truth?
he said that on Morning Joe as well and Joe made him repeat it.
I watched Fox News the other night after the election since I knew it wouldn't upset me so much. They live in a parallel universe. They were talking about the negative campaign Obama used against Romney and acted like they didn't know that someone had deemed Romneys campaign 99% negative. Plus they had to see him in the primary and listen to all the comments about him by many of their own. And what Romney did to every candidate he was up against. I think they just need to play Fox News' own comments about Romney during the primary and apply that to the general election and together they can say oh! Now I know what happened! Either they are pretending or they really don't know what Romney was like and what happened!
@ktlin60
Parallel universe? - nah, slightly, make that somewhat, or better yet, a tremendously askew universe!
An alternate universe where 2 + 2 equals whatever is desired, where reality is whatever is shouted repeatedly.
I think it's time the Republican party took a lesson from the Democrat's campaign and started fighting back just as dirty. It is about time Barack Obama is called exactly what he is. As the Commander in Chief he is a MURDERER, plain and simple for allowing the Ambassador and Navy Seals to be slaughtered while he turned his back on them. That makes him a true murderer. Not the pretend one they tried to pin on Mitt Romney regarding some guys wife getting cancer 7 years after he left the company. Barack Obama is a LIAR, who came out and lied to the American people for almost 2 weeks after the attack that it was all caused by some video, when he knew the truth all along. Barack Obama is a SNEAK. He is still hiding under his desk and not coming clean about the events in Benghazi. And finally, he is a COWARD. The "buck stops here" is a joke with him, because he has been trying to throw everybody else under the bus instead of standing up and being a man. Newsweek showed him as Napoleon. A perfect description. Napoleon was a LITTLE MAN too, not only in stature but in moral integrity.
UnAmerigirl, GROW UP! Stop the hate! Your loser LOST! GET OVER IT! STOP listening to Fox News! NEVER, and i mean NEVER ever listen to Rush! You are the typical sore loser, and it shows your stupidity in your posts!
DO YOU have any proof of what you spout? NO then be quiet and stop with the nonsense. Stop with the conspiracy theories, stop claiming he's a socialist or a muslim those things do not help us move this country forward. HE IS the president. I could call boner a brainless sheeple who knows jack @!$%#. And laugh at his small buisness owners make 250,000 dollars a year. I'm sorry most small buisness owners do not come close to making that, but I don't laugh at him and how useless he is, but we need him and the president to do their jobs so the country moves forward. Though if the retardican party implodes I'll be quite happy.
Amerigal, you and your tea bagger friends are living in an alternate reality. "Reality" is a tough concept. How do you know what's real and what's just a false perception? Well one way is when things turn out completely different from what you were expecting. For instance, you and your kind were SO SURE that Romney was going to win in a landslide. Faux News was telling you not to believe all the mainstream news media and their polls which showed a close race, but Obama in the lead.
Well now you know that Faux News misled you. Well maybe that reality has not yet sunk in, but you should give it some thought. And if they misled you on that, maybe they've misled you on other things.
Food for thought.
amerigal .... take a look at the polls ... who's sitting in the oval office ? OBAMA IS THE BIG MAN NOW (AGAIN) - this is what happens when a party bases its existence on hate, obstruction and denial just as amerigal has .... bitter pill to swallow ... try koolaid ....
OBAMA - 2 TERM PRESIDENT (by the people, for the people, with the people)
MITT - NONE, DONE, GONE ...
"I think it's time the Republican party took a lesson from the Democrat's campaign and started fighting back just as dirty."
LOL!! What's happened is the Democrats started fighting a little dirty after years of Republican dirty tactics (birth certificates, he's a Muslim, he's a communist) and now -- Republicans are whining. You remind me of the playground bully who, after the little kid has taken enough of his crap and punches him in the nose, goes whining off to the teacher. You right wing clowns love to dish it out but you sure can't take it.
You LOST. Stop whining and move on. Better luck next time.
Obama won, Rummey the Two-Faced Dummy LOST!!! Hahahaha! The lunatic right wingers will never give up. They keep comming back with their hate, and lies! Its unfortunate, why can't they just accept their defeat, and get on with helping this country recover? Right here and now, is our chance to come together as ONE Nation Undivided, and we must! For the good of all, not just the upper crust!
I think it was Laura Ingraham who said where did that Mitt go after the first debate. Answer.: He was never there. We were wondering how he would remember what he said he stood for for3-4 weeks. And the republicans would have to notice. Answer I guess that happened because they are asking where he went. That Mitt was only there for that night. I think he was the worst candidate we have had since I have been paying attention to the election. And that has been decades. And Ryan was even worse than Palin if that is possible. Romney started losing bigtime after that apptmnt and nevr really recovered.
The next big challenge will be the Republican congress trying to stonewall Obama like they did in his first four years. We all need to pressure our representatives to work towards a resolution of our budget mess.
Both sides must be willing to compromise--the whole concept of the United States is that we can work out our differences and forge a stronger union in the process. The hyper-partisan politics that we have seen the last few years is threatening our national survival. WE must pressure our representatives to make it stop.
True, but neither side should expect "compromise" to be manifested in 'surrender.' I'd suspect House GOPers to stick to the same guns that has characterized them for the past two years. They will view their retaining majority numbers as some sort of mandate, even though they lost some seats in the process. With Boehner failing to take leadership out of fear for his own political fortunes, hardliners like Ryan, Cantor, King, et al will continue to drive the train and stalemate will remain the order of the day. Since the players haven't changed, don't expect the game to change much even though the ante is now considerably higher.
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