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Subscribe to RSSUpdated at 2 p.m. ET -- At a campaign-style event at the White House Friday, President Barack Obama invited congressional leaders to the White House next week for talks on how to avoid spending cuts and at least some of the tax increases scheduled to occur in January. But he insisted that tax increases on the wealthiest Americans must be part of any deal.
NBC's Brian Williams anchors President Obama's first post-election appearance, in which he calls on Congress to work with him to avoid the fiscal cliff and get the economy moving again.
In a statement at the White House, Obama indicated he will meet with Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid and House Speaker John Boehner next week "so we can start to build consensus around the challenges that we can only solve together."
The president was referring to $64 billion in automatic spending cuts that will take effect in January if a deal cannot be reached. Those cuts are mandated by the Budget Control Act that Obama signed into law last year.
In his first White House appearance since defeating Republican Mitt Romney in Tuesday's election, Obama said he was "open to new ideas" to avoid what is known as the “fiscal cliff.” But he also dug in his heels by insisting that additional revenue be part of the solution.
“We can’t just cut our way to prosperity,” he said, adding that he would insist that “the wealthiest Americans to pay a little more in taxes” – a line that drew applause from the group of supporters standing behind him on stage. Obama defines "the wealthiest Americans" as single taxpayers earning more than $200,000 a year and couples with annual earnings in excess of $250,000.
And he claimed an election mandate, saying, “On Tuesday night we found out that the majority of Americans agree with my approach.”
Obama also repeated many of the themes of his re-election campaign speeches in Friday’s remarks – such as his view that more federal infrastructure spending is needed.
Obama did not take any questions.
Budget analysts call the combination of automatic spending cuts and tax increases set to occur at year end the fiscal cliff.
As part of an agreement to avoid the fiscal cliff, Obama and congressional leaders must also agree how much taxes ought to go up and which taxpayers will be hit by tax hikes. According to the Congressional Budget Office taxes will increase by more than $400 billion in 2013 under current law.
Adding to the pressure to design a deal that would avoid the fiscal cliff, the CBO on Thursday repeated its previous warnings that the spending cuts, combined with scheduled tax increases, would probably cause a recession next year.
Specifically the CBO said in its Thursday report that the tax increases and spending cuts would cause the unemployment rate to rise to 9.1 percent by the fourth quarter of 2013, compared to a jobless rate of 7.9 percent in October.
In a video released by the Obama campaign, a tearful president thanks his campaign workers before he sets off to tackle second-term issues including taxes, the debt and replacing as many as five high profile secretaries in his Cabinet. NBC's Chuck Todd reports.
The tax increases would raise the average tax burden by almost $3,500 per taxpayer in 2013, according to According to the Tax Policy Center. This would happen because the current income tax rates and some tax breaks are scheduled to expire or shrink on Dec. 31. Among them, the popular middle-class tax break, a $1,000-per-child tax credit for each child age 17 and younger, would be cut in half.
In addition, starting on Jan. 1, the Affordable Care Act imposes a $20 billion tax increase on people with incomes above $200,000, or $250,000 for joint filers. Adding to the tax increase, a temporary reduction in the Social Security payroll tax is set to expire at year end.
The president has argued for raising taxes on Americans with incomes over $200,000 and over $250,000 for married couples who file jointly.
But the exact mix of tax increases and who must pay them will be the subject of intense negotiations between the president and congressional leaders over the next few weeks.
Before February Obama and congressional leaders must also work out a deal to raise the federal government’s borrowing limit.
After re-election, House Speaker John Boehner says he believes the House GOP and President Obama will find common ground "to avoid the fiscal cliff." Boehner is also talking less harshly about the president's signature health care law.
In a press briefing Friday morning, Boehner said he is willing to work with Obama and congressional Democrats, but remains opposed to raising the tax rates for any Americans.
“The members of our majority understand how important it is to avert the fiscal cliff,” he said. He sketched out his opening bargaining position: Extend current tax rates for one year, allowing Congress time to entirely redesign the tax code, eliminating some tax deductions and preferences – and pass “entitlement reform.”
He made the case that “by lowering rates and cleaning up the tax code we know that we’re going to get more economic growth. It’ll bring jobs back to America – it’ll bring more revenue.”
The revenue question is crucial: Because the U.S. economy remains anemic, federal revenue has still not reached its pre-recession peak. While revenue increased for third consecutive year in fiscal 2012, it is still 5 percent below the 2007 peak.
Boehner warned about the spending pressure from growing entitlement programs: “We’re spending a trillion dollars more than what we take in. You can’t continue to do that. This is year two of a 25-year demographic bubble. …. Ten thousand Baby Boomers like me retiring every day.”
He said “everything on the revenue side and on the spending side has to be looked at.”
Obama and the Democrats go into the bargaining over fiscal policy with voters having given them a stronger bargaining position.
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President Barack Obama addresses supporters during his election night rally in Chicago, Nov. 6, 2012.
In Tuesday’s balloting, Democrats scored a net gain of at least six seats in the House, which was better than most analysts had predicted, and they exceeded expectations by gaining two seats in the Senate, dashing GOP hopes for a takeover of the upper chamber.
But Boehner said Tuesday that “The American people re-elected a Republican majority (in the House) and I’m proud of the fact that our team in a very difficult year was able to maintain our majority.”
But showing that the election outcome had altered his strategy, Boehner signaled a retreat Thursday from Republican calls for total repeal of the Affordable Care Act.
“I think the election changes that,” Boehner said in an interview with ABC News. “It's pretty clear that the president was re-elected, Obamacare is the law of the land.”
But he added, “I think there are parts of the healthcare law that are going to be very difficult to implement. And very expensive. And as the time when we're trying to find a way to create a path toward a balanced budget everything has to be on the table.” The speaker may try to make rescinding parts of the law an ingredient of any deal he tries to strike with Obama and Reid.
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I'm all for cutting 10% or more across the board but I want to see the reduction in public pensions before or at the same time they cut social security benefits. After the cuts then cut the tax loopholes and then increase taxes across the board.
So putting 20 Billion in extra taxes isn't enough ??
Seems Obama got his tax the rich increase, by putting into ACA, now he wants to hit the rich again?? Oh wait the Jobs bill from 2011 had a 5.6% surtax on the same 200K/250K group too??
So 35% tax rate + ACA + Obama + Jobs Bill = when will the madness stops??
Obama is like a broken record - tax the rich, tax the rich, tax the rich, tax the rich. LIBERALS you elected this clown hope you can live with his BS
Randy, You're right. Taxing the rich would make almost no difference in the debt. So, one has to ask why it's so important to Maobama and the liberals? Does class envy sound about right?
randy stanboy/ I don't understand how you can be so slavish to the super rich. Also this is not an extra tax on the rich.It is returning the prior tax levels to what they were before the former P.O.T.U.S.gave them their extra big bonus that enabled them to increase their wealth to disgusting limits even as the rest of us saw a decline in our earning power,which smashed this economy. We can't afford to have them pay this much less than their fair share. They too are citzens of this country,even if they don't support it ,their unwilling atitude to do so is only possible by the fact that so many of our employees/Representatives are willing to allow them to do so.
The POTUS just drew that line in the sand-- He is ready to sign the bill- the senate already has-- The house has to meet us half way--The rich like he and Mitt Romney, and all the members of congress should be asked to pay a little more in taxes- not the students, and seniors of this country who can barely afford to make ends meet-
Well -the above posts are so why this country is divided--
The house has to meet us half way
Who is "us"? You and the dead mouse in your pocket? Taxing the rich more may make vendictive leftists feel good about themselves, but will do nothing to fix the deficit. BTW 250K might have been rich 50 years ago. No longer the case.
Heavenlychild you support stealing???
That is what over taxing the rich is doing stealing their money via the tax structure.
You do realize that top 51% pays federal income taxes and the bottom 49% do not???
Here's How You Spell It Out.
McConnell, Boehner, Cantor. Get the @!$%# out of here you're fired!
Obama will make GOP Congressmen renounce their fealty to Grover Norquist and Roger Ailes and sign a pledge to work for the American people...
newby, I guess you mean Bill Ayres and Jeremiah Wright? Or maybe Resko? Great pals of Maobama's, all.
What stupidity you have. The only one swearing fealty are republicans and it is to lobbyist Grover Norquist. Republicans kowtow to him against raising taxes on the rich ever. He is an anti-American worm for greed and corruption.
Obama promised no sequestration during the debates. This means he will cave!
great logic katie...??? Did ya here the great news ??? Hillary Clinton will be appointed to the Supreme Court in April 2013 !!!! GOD BLESS AMERICA !!!
Barney Frank will be next Secretary of Treasury.
Let It Fall Don't Give In To The Tea Bags or Grover Nutbag.
Lets just cut to the chase. I am ready...are you. Lets do this. Every dumocrat is believing that Tuesdays election was a mandate to raise taxes on anyone making over $250k per year to pay for the 1.7 trillion per year handouts to the other 47% that do not contribute to the tax base.
I for one, not being republican or democrat will not go along with any tax increase on anybody. When will you people wake the @!$%# up and realize that we should not be paying into the fed government anything that does not go toward our defense of our country.
If you people think this was a mandate election, you are sadly mistaken. First and foremost, 49% of the population do not agree with you. So this is not a mandate.
Lets just get started on the civil war, I am ready.....are you? My guess is that 49% of the military will choose my side as we are clearly split down the middle.
You're a traitor and a fool, move to Somalia, they have no Government there...
No war....just split the country in half along the Mississippi....Let one half be the liberal states of America and the other be the conservative states of America. The liberal states will eventually fail and be taken over by the conservative states. At least this way people can be governed the way they choose.
""I for one, not being a republican or democrat" then you must be libertarian which is same as "Tea Party". More spew period, titansidewinder. You entire statement is false. LMAO
I have a better idea. Let those that do not support this country and constitution languish in a prison somewhere in Gitmo for the next 20-40 years like the other terrorists are doing.
Wow, 18 months of campaigning and $6 Billion spent and nothing has changed. Somewhat ingenuous to offer an offer he know that Republicans won't take.
you are correct eric...they won't take it....so it is about to be shoved down their throat by the American people...who by the way approved this Presidents message a couple days ago...or didn't you hear ??
A near tie is not a mandate. You have to stop drinking the Kool aid
LMAO "A near tie". Is that what you call your epic fail now Eric?
Maobama laying out an agenda? That's a first. He has kept his agenda fairly secret, up to now. However, the pitiful results can be seen.
Stainboy....you lost...you were wrong....your party was wrong...your candidate was wrong...and then right....and then wrong....etc....GIVE IT UP !!!!
cowgirl. I eagerly await your post in about a year. Rampant violence, runaway inflation and 12% unemployment. You will be soooo proud. Maybe you can get a job guarding gasoline pumpe when gas is $7 per gallon. Now that's job creation.
Maybe you can learn to spell by then.
To Chris 205 something comment:
What are you thinking to even think like the way you do.. you are really living out of your
realm. First, you are living in the United States what a privilege.... second you just insulted
ALL THE AMERICAN CITIZENS BY INSULTING YOUR PRESIDENT WITH YOUR NEGATIVE
COMMENTS. Maybe if you read some books or better yet live in another foreign country
for at least a year, see how your views will change.
You are extremely negative, pay attention to how the Republican Party is now going to
work with President Obama for this country.
Oregon, He did'nt insult me. And I be's a citizen.
So much uneducated Bullsh&t being said here reminds me of all the Sh*t said over the last four years. Do anyone here have something truly intelligent to say with straight facts. WELL? Just what I thought.
Here we Americans have a great opportunity to not just have our voices heard for a change but to actually be able to have a direct input, but we keep waiting for the world to change, when we need to change it now.
For four dam years the House of Representatives who are made up of a majority of republicans who greatly benefited from the Bush administration policies are now still the ones in control and are still the ones going to have another 500 filibuster and we just sit back and take the SOS results and bit&h here at each other. The people only have one thing they control in America and that is their right to vote so why in hell did the red confederacy put the same azzhole republican right wing extremist back in office if they are so dam adamant about saving this dam country knowing the likes of Paul Ryan being back at the head of the financial committee with cause the same Sh*t all over again.
We seem to never learn one God dam thing and do the same stupid things over and over again but still blame one man ( Obama ) for the stupid azz thing we do as Americans.
Make each politician who runs this dam country and makes the laws accountable and have a citizen council elected that let's US decide for a change.
I have more to say, but I would just once like to hear someone on here have a real solution than rage and rant all dam day. Make your voices and solution heard to the ones that really count and go down to the Congress and the house and stand there to you turn blue in the face but don't give up or give in cause if you do, it's your own dam fault what is forced on you.
j, That's damN.
@jhaskins --- OK -- here's a thought. Eliminate ALL tax breaks/credits/allowances and other adjustments, set an across the board rate (probably somewhere around 2 to 5% would work). Have anyone who lives on my money and yours (that's government money) who is physically able, work the equivalent of that same percentage of what they receive. Eliminate govenment subsidies that artificially shore up or undercut the market. Hire competent individuals to go after fraud in ALL areas of government spending.
how's that for a start?
The very best thing would be for the republicans to just vote present on everything....lets let the dems run everything into the ground quickly and get this over with. Seriously, let'em do it. People aren't going to understand until they have nothing left apparently.
In the meantime, while they are destroying it...business in blue states who are heavy on taxing business should be relocating to red states immediately....if we can build micro ecomonies there we will all be better off when it happens.
I agree. Lets let them have it. It will take all of maybe 18 months for them to fail. Then real minds can go in and clean it up. I am also for splitting the states. Where do we get started.
When do we get our new Obamaphones? Also please give more to Chicagobabe, her children need her to "earn" more money at the first of each month
dimsmo is a cry baby....somebody get him a pacifier...government issue preferably...
@chicago
You said on an earlier post that you were here illegally and your 3 children were born here, did you pay for any of their births or did our taxdollars pay for them? And, how's that Obummer phone working for ya...need more minutes.
cowboy-when I started taking advantage of the free abortions I quit getting the free pacifiers. Also your bold font is on.
Have you ever wondered what a 2nd Jimmy Carter term would have looked like? You're about to find out............
On steroids...
The only time I see compromise in this country is when the republicans do it...
If this is going to be true compromise, the liberals have to give up something or we will have nothing but more gridlock...
I'm counting on this congress to hold Obama in check. And not a blank one...
Care to expound on things the republicans have compromised on in the last 4 yrs?
Let's go over the cliff, at least then everyone will have to start paying. I am sick of working hard and paying my share while the Bill Maher, Jayz, Sam Jackson, Beyonce, fans get their free check, which is partially my money, and use it to support these kind of people. Many are prepared for open season, I doubt these "creative" people are not. Their money will not buffer them the way this is going. 99 problems and the gang kicking in his door is one of them, right Jayz?
HUH ????
This from the party that thought "stay free mini pads" were free government housing for dwarfs !!!!
Cowboy, I bet you make your family proud. What an ignorant fool. You will be living in huts in the next four years, just like your ancestors did and STILL DO.
LOL cowboy
I give up, i'm now a born again Liberal. I was born in1954 so I will be grand fathered in for Social Security, I also have a military pension and working on a third pension through a business, looks like ill do good. Pandora's box is opened and will never be closed so, here is my message. Take advantage of every Government program you can, its all about me now. The republicans need to agree to tax hikes with a clause, the Dem's must take responsibility for whatever happens, the Rep's wash there hands of it. I am a baby boomer and now demand everything I can get, as long as I have mine, screw you. I feel the legal working age should be 12, we need more tax payers to pay for my future comforts. The young voted for Obama, now they will reap me, thank you and look forward for your never ending support, P.S. my medical cost is paid by Tricare for life, cost me nothing, Ive got mine forever, so you young people need to get working for it's going to cost you dearly. Fire up the abortion mills, I need stem cells, I wish to live forever.
First of all, it's "rape,' not "reap," you moron. Secondly: get bent. You're done. It's our country now. We've had it up to here with your racism, your hatred, your greed, your ignorance and your pathological inability to get a clue.
To quote the Starship: "We are the present. We are the future. You are the past. Pay your dues and get out of the way."
@216 seven , haha although i disagree with you i have to admit i got a good laugh out of the way you put your feelings into words, one other thing tho, you may have yours for life until one of the young people you talk about decides he wants what you have but does not want to put in the life time of work it took you to get there. so dont ever think you got it all figured out because your life, my life and everybody who has worked toward a goal in life can lose everything in an instant!! so i would not be so quick to throw out the " i got mine and to hell with you attitude" because some young punk with a gun and an insanity plea could very easily destroy life as you know it.
I don't know why Republicans are so up in arms about this. FDR went to the wealthiest Americans during the depth of the Depression and asked them to pay more taxes to help pull us out. The difference is that that did it, instead of whining about "socialism," "redistribution of wealth," etc.
The level of avarice and greed at the top of the income scale in America now is mind-boggling. In case all you top-tier complainers have forgotten, we are one nation, standing or falling together.
It's not all about you and your money. The good of the country comes first. One would think you'd have learned that after getting your butts handed to you on Tuesday night. The "other 99%" are fed up with your self-indulgence and personal protectionism. It's time, and long past time, when you gave back to the society in proportion to what society has given you.
If you don't learn this in a hurry, then you won't see the inside of the White House, except as visitors, for a long time.
You define greed by people who've earned what they have and who want to keep it. Not share it. They feel it's theirs.
I define greed by people who did not earn anything, but look at others who did and expect those who did earn it to give it to those who didn't...
I guess it's all in ones own perspective....
I think it is time to follow FDR's lead. He rounded up Japanese-Americans and put them in concentration camps and confiscated their money, because "the good of the country comes first". Let's round up all the white people and confiscate their money. They stand in the way of the good of the country.
The problem is that the uber-wealthy have convinced 49% of Americans that:
There will ALWAYS be abuse of ANY public welfare system. Look at all the scum that attempted to squat permanently in the FEMA trailers after Hurricane Katrina. Do those few abusers mean that no FEMA trailers were needed? You can't just scrap welfare. You police it as best you can.
I work in HR. I have met LOTS of people working two, and even three jobs just to feed their family. They live in crowded houses with aunts and uncles and grandmothers because that's the only way they can survive. And on top of everything, they depend on public assistance. Are they not working HARD enough? They're already little better than slaves as it is. What more do you want them to do? Go to school? Get degrees? How? A lot of these folks aren't even smart enough to learn anything. Intellectual ability is not universal, and hard work shouldn't be dismissed as worthless because it's performed by someone "stupid." These people deserve our help, as they already help the rest of us every day. If that lady didn't come up to my office and empty my trash every evening and then scrub the sh*t stains off my favorite toilet every night while I'm at home enjoying American Idol, then what would my life be like?
You conservative cry-babies just don't have a grasp on the real world. It's true we can't afford everything, but yanking lifelines away from people who desperately need them shouldn't be your first response. How about pulling all our troops inside our borders and defending the hell out of our homeland rather than providing free security to everyone else? Yes, CUT the freaking military. Its budget is HUGE and unnecessary. Don't tell me about poor soldiers in Afghanistan that don't have proper armor. That's the result of our government's poor choices. It's not because they don't have the money they need.
Conservatives had better stop being so greedy and start learning how to care about our joint welfare as a nation. That's "welfare."
Big difference, FDR was white.
@ray of light, yes whites have most of the wealth in this country but blacks have them big lips that they use to suck the teet of demacrocy for every last drop of free milk it can get, dont believe me? head on down to the food stamp office and listen to all the movie stars in line tell their stories of "thangs woo beez if day was axed to run the country" oh man you guys got it all figured out, like you with your statement of rounding up all the whites and take their money, your already doing that one welfare check at a time, and your $52 dollar a munf hud house that smells like dog s@#t and weed, who do you think pays the difference of what that house really costs? you dont care i know, but before you get any more bright ideas about rounding up whites ,you mite wanna check the stats of what race most hunters are in the u.s. and which high powered rifle most use to hunt and allreally just do some research on LEGAL gun owners and what colour most are. me personally, i have shotguns, handguns, rifles, bows, (both compound and cross bows) and enough ammo to wage a small war on my own. so make sure you know which white people to grab ok, because grabbing hold of guys like me mite not turn out the way you want. enough said? you have a good one k.
These freeloaders need to go. 1 out of every 4 people that are on social security in the form of disability are on it by fraud. They can be productive but choose not to due to the free monthly check coming in. 47 million freeloading on food stamps (EBT) paid for by the tax paying citizen. 18 million on government subsidized housing, 14 million illegal aliens receiving benefits also paid for by tax paying citizens.
And what do we worry about? Getting pot laws and gay marriage passed.
WE ARE DOOMED.
1 in 4 eh? Prove it.
I know people who are working 2 jobs and are still eligible to get food stamps.
The forbes 400 came out last month. The average on that list increased their total net worth by %20 while we were bitching about defunding obamacare. Who's the fool and who's the fool's fool.
Hey N.Y AND N.J. your dear leader is sending you windmills and solar panels. You'll be up and running in no time.
With the Obama Administration spending more in 4 years than President Bush spent in 8 years and the debt expected to reach over 20 trillion by the end of the next 4 years we need spending cuts. We are at $50,000 for every man women and child to pay off the debt, not counting interest. Now Obama askes for more to spend. In the debate he said tax the rich so he could hire more teachers not so he could pay down the debt. He hasn't even passed a budget in the last 3 years. Why should he be given more money? STOP SPENDING AWAY OUR CHILDRENS FUTURE !
The young vote went to Obama, they want this to happen, help me in giving it to them. Obama care is now a fact, we will be broke, so take advantage of every program you can.
This election proved one thing, America isn't about the American dream anymore, it is about punishing success. We could double the tax rate on every single American and it would only be a spit in the bucket compared to our unfunded liabilities. Until the Democrats decide they actually want to stop deficit spending, then all their feel good policies won't do anything but bankrupt this country.
Why is it that the President is suppose to be for all the people, but he continually tries to penalize the people that disagree with him. His beloved Obamacare accesses a penalty on married couples that is absurd. If you have a married couple each earning $200K, they will pay an additional tax/penalty over what two single people earning the exact same amount of money. The Democrats try to influence public behavior through taxes and tax breaks, I guess we all know where the President comes down on marriage...
"The president has argued for raising taxes on Americans with incomes over $200,000 and over $250,000 for married couples who file jointly."
If he wants to raise taxes, even though it is a foolish move, he should at least try to be fair about it, and not try to re-engineer society at the same time...
This last election has proved one thing, our experiment in a Democratic Republic has failed...
How did it fail when he was VOTED back for 4 more years? Just because your Kolobian candidate lost doesn't mean that Democratic Republic failed. Quite the contrary, it means it has succeeded yet again. Majority rules and Obama rules! Stop being such a cry baby and accept the fact that your views and those of the right are WRONG!
well mitt romney pretty much wrote off almost half the country with his 47% comment which would have also been his laws had he been elected, i wonder which half of the american people it would have been his job to worry about? hmmmm, lets see, the poor people who just cant afford to goto college? well they could just borrow the money from their parents so couldnt be them mitt would worry about, perhaps the senior citizens of this country would have been mitts main priority? well according to aarp his plans to start a voucher system instead of the traditional medicare would have cost the average retired person around $4000 per year extra so doesnt look like mittens had their best interest in mind either, well surely it must have been the youth of america that old magic undy mitt would have done the most for? well i be damned, mitt would have destroyed the hopes of alot of kids hoping to goto college someday and not even the poor innocent 3 and 4 year old was on mitts agenda of people to worry about, big bird must go!! no more pbs, dam free loading 4 year olds should borrow money from their parents and get cable if they want to laze around and watch cartoons instead of doing things like the chinese children mitt helps with his outsourcing companies such as bain capitol do, you know goto work in sweat shops for pennies on the dollar so we the american people can enjoy their fine products, and dont worry , its not all the products that come from places like china that are covered with lead paint, just a small percentage of childrens toys, no big deal...yes, yes, yes mitt really did want to win the presidency so he could turn this country around, china is aquiring us at much to slow of a rate. but mitts still working behind the scenes to take over companies, fire all the employees and scrap the hopes and dreams of our brothers, sisters, mothers, fathers, etc....so keep it up mitt, like you said " speaches dont get results i stand on my record,, haha, pos.. so glad you lost, maybe you should put your money where your mouth is and use the next four years investing in america, build some companies, hire some people start some locally owned franchises, bring back some of the jobs you sent over seas,, had this of been the record you were already standing on, you would have easily won the election, 94 million americans didnt even care enough to vote, had you have been building american companies and employing americans all along, you could have easily won the presidency, instead you were video taped sitting around with a bunch of rich people saying things like, "its not my job to worry about 47% of americans" and that was mitts true feelings! he did not simply get his words mixed up, he stood behind those ignorant comments, and we all know the end results dont we? obama\biden 2012. that is all..........
Mitch, John, Eric! Boy ya'll have some pretty mouths! Now bend over and squeal like a pig!
OOOOOOOOWEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!
Sounds like experience
No war....just split the country in half along the Mississippi....Let one half be the liberal states of America and the other be the conservative states of America. The liberal states will eventually fail and be taken over by the conservative states. At least this way people can be governed the way they choose.
We will give them the west coast ca,wa, or, and the east coast main to New york, throw in Michigan and ill for laughs. 10 years from now they will be asking us for help
That must be why the conservative states are in the majority of states that receive more in federal tax money than they contribute. Wake up and smell the coffee! The liberal states would be the beneficiaries of such a split. You won't be missed.
Lib states carry poor conservative states on our backs! Please tell me the purpose of Al, LA, MS, KY, WV, SC? America doesn't need you!
The Conservative States of America? You may think that's what you'd get from all their political promises, however what you would really have is The BIG Corporate States of America. And for all but the few select, 98% of it's people would be slave labor with no liberties. The Republican Power Players are not the true Republican party of the past... Just my opinion.