Boehner: 'Obamacare is the law of the land'

Top Talkers: After re-election, House Speaker John Boehner says he believes the House GOP and President Obama will find common ground "to avoid the fiscal cliff." Boehner is also talking less harshly about the president's signature health care law.

 

Updated 6 p.m. ET - Republicans' efforts to undo President Barack Obama's health care reform law appear to have come to an end, as House Speaker John Boehner described it Thursday as the "law of the land."

In an interview with ABC News, the nation's top elected Republican seemed to indicate that Congress wouldn't engage in the type of repeated repeal votes the way it had in the past two years. Boehner's office provided a transcript of the exchange:

SAWYER:

A couple of other questions about the agenda now.  You have said next year that you would repeal the healthcare vote.  That's still your mission?

BOEHNER:

Well, I think the election changes that.  It's pretty clear that the president was reelected, Obamacare is the law of the land.  I think there are parts of the healthcare law that are gonna be very difficult to implement.  And very expensive.  And as the time when we're tryin' to find a way to create a path toward a balanced budget everything has to be on the table.

SAWYER:

But you won't be spending the time next year trying to repeal Obamacare?

BOEHNER:

There certainly may be parts of it that we believe-- need to be changed.  We may do that.  No decisions at this point.

The speaker's pronouncement, if nothing else, signifies a pivot away from Republicans' efforts to showcase for conservatives their doggedness in looking to repeal "Obamacare."

It's also a recognition that the 2009-2010 health care law that came to define Obama's first term in office -- and propel Republicans to a majority in the House -- is here to stay.

A spokesman for Boehner sought to clarify the speaker's comments.

"While ObamaCare is the law of the land, it is costing us jobs and threatening our health care," said Kevin Smith, the speaker's communications director. "Speaker Boehner and House Republicans remain committed to repealing the law, and he said in the interview it would be on the table."

The Supreme Court's summer 2012 ruling upholding the constitutionality of the law disarmed conservatives of one of their best possible chances of defeating the health care law once and for all.

And Mitt Romney's loss on Tuesday meant that Republicans won't have in the White House a president that could severely limit the scope of the law before its key provisions begin to take effect in 2014.

House Speaker John Boehner reacts to the re-election of President Barack Obama, while pushing for a "balanced approach" to solving America's debt issues.

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Boner - heh heh heh...

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Reply#27 - Thu Nov 8, 2012 6:07 PM EST

Laugh while you can. You have 4 more years and it is over (2of which under republican house). We will run Rubio in 16 and absolutly win! So enjoy your last 4 years.

  • 2 votes
Reply#28 - Thu Nov 8, 2012 6:07 PM EST

You'd think dumb FUX NEWS fans would stop giving ridiculous predictions after what just happened...

But then again, that's dumb FUX for you...

  • 5 votes
#28.1 - Thu Nov 8, 2012 6:12 PM EST

Yeah right. Regardless of Rubio's qualifications, until the Republicans to the far right allow a candidate to be himself and not the socially conservative candidate they demand, it won't matter who runs. Just because Rubio will have some appeal to Latinos won't make a difference if the party continues to talk about overturning RvWade, continues to ignore immigration reform and attacks alternative lifestyles.

  • 2 votes
#28.2 - Thu Nov 8, 2012 6:17 PM EST

when did Rubio's family leave Cuba again?

  • 2 votes
#28.3 - Thu Nov 8, 2012 6:17 PM EST

Rubio is another one of those "family values" fruitcakes. He won't win. Even Bill O'Reilly said last night that it's time to move past trying to control other people's moral decisions. It's why the Republicans keep losing elections at the state and national level.

  • 3 votes
#28.4 - Thu Nov 8, 2012 6:20 PM EST

It doesn't matter who the Rethuglicans run for president in their present state of gloom and doom,the sky is falling.It will be a very long time before you see a Rethuglican President. After having your a$$ handed to you this election you would think you would learn something but you won't. The best man doesn't always win but in this election he sure did. Now continue with your whinning and crying and stomping your feet.

    #28.5 - Thu Nov 8, 2012 11:18 PM EST
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    Lulu, I don't know where you live, but in all the 12 states where I have lived, and in all the states where family members live, restaurants have never allowed bussers, servers, fry cooks you name it to work enough hours to earn healthcare. Same in retail. This has always been so. And in Arizona, for example, servers etc. can be paid less than minimum wage because supposedly tips make up for it--legally they can do this. All people need healthcare. All people should pay into healthcare. What you pay in does not begin to cover your bills if something happens to you. And something always happens. There should have been a mandate and there should have been a single payer system. Thank the Republicans that there isn't. You'll see.

    • 1 vote
    Reply#29 - Thu Nov 8, 2012 6:07 PM EST

    Libby...I understand there are many labor classes that have been forced into lower hours for all sorts of reasons. My son managed various chains, both large and regional before he had enough of the crazy hours. The management side, assistant managers, etc. all had insurance. Some of the staff wanted part time because many are in school or work part time due to childcare,. There are other industries that we can expect to start this game to get out of providing healthcare. My point was only to suggest there are unintended consequences of the very large and elaborate law. And that there is still work to do to figure out how to get it done.

    There are also industries who really try to do as much for part timers as possible. At my last job before retiring, everyone who worked 24 hours had insurance. We were self insured.

    I have some Canadian friends who recently moved here. They think our system is better in some ways. Particularly in the length of time to see a doctor.

    Although you were not rude, another writer concluded his knowledge is so superior. He missed my whole point and just preferred to attack. Another example of why we cannot come together and solve problems.

      #29.1 - Thu Nov 8, 2012 6:27 PM EST
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      all you liberals, we tried to save you from yourself but hey give it 2 years and you will wish Romney won, but hey you can have your free stuff. gas will go up, jobs will be lost, healthcare will sky rockets, doctors will quit, but hey you will get your free crap. Welcome to socialism

      • 1 vote
      Reply#30 - Thu Nov 8, 2012 6:07 PM EST

      Oh pul-eese--enuff with the fear talking points. They were worn out years ago. Scare tactics won't work any longer.

      • 9 votes
      #30.1 - Thu Nov 8, 2012 6:10 PM EST

      Stop the predictions dumb FUX NEWS nation, you are wrong 100% of the time!

      • 2 votes
      #30.2 - Thu Nov 8, 2012 6:13 PM EST

      That's all it ever is...scare tactics. Where's your solution? What do you want? How can we work together to improve everyone's situation? What specifically are you proposing?

      • 2 votes
      #30.3 - Thu Nov 8, 2012 6:18 PM EST

      NOPE, its YOUR country now, those of us that fought our asses off to stop this trainwreck DO NOT give a damn anymore. All Hail OBAMA, the showers are nice come on in, KARMA is a bitch, I want to see this country on its knees in regret for being an IDIOCRACY!

      • 1 vote
      #30.4 - Thu Nov 8, 2012 6:18 PM EST

      You wouldn't know Socialism if it walked up to you and introduced itself. Turn off Fox News, pick up a book and learn something.

      • 2 votes
      #30.5 - Thu Nov 8, 2012 6:20 PM EST

      Mr. Clarkson,

      You didn't try to save anyone from anything. Your party advanced extremist views that entailed fomenting hatred for anyone not like you, whether Hispanic, female, or Asian. You and your kind stood by as your party engaged in infantile name-calling of Obama (Socialist, Communist, foreigner, the reincarnation of the Devil or Adolf Hitler) unlike any other in history, something your party wouldn't have done if he looked like Romney. Your party conned you into believing that 47% or 48% of non-federal-income-tax-paying of our population are lazy freeloaders who refuse to work or seek work when, in fact, 91% of all federal entitlements are paid to retired people over the age of 65 years old, those too disabled to work, or children in families whose parents work at least 1000 hours but don't make enough income to meet the federal guidelines for poverty, while the remaining 9% is largely paid to veterans' programs.

      You've convinced yourselves that "trickle down" or "romancing job creators," or reduced taxes for investors produces jobs when the Bush tax cuts did no such thing during Bush's time or Obama's. You remain oblivious year after year of the fact that income is trickling up, not down, as the income of the top 1% increased between 1979 and 2007 by 275% while the average worker's income barely kept pace with inflation, and workers have been forced to bear a far greater share of their retirement and health insurance benefits. You're completely oblivious to the fact that 85% of all annual income in the United States goes to the top 20% of the income ladder. Republicans tried to curry favor with Catholic bishops who whined about federal healthcare laws governing healthcare options for female workers on the ground that requiring contraceptives violates Catholics' religious freedom, when it was the bishops themselves who were violating the religious beliefs and personal healthcare prerogatives of their female workers by insisting that all female workers of all faiths in hospitals that serve the public at large to subscribe to the bishops' religious principles, thereby breaching the bounds of that which is Caesar's (within the public, not religious purview. Every state has divorce laws that violate Catholic precepts, but that doesn't mean the Catholic Church can insist that those divorce laws are a blasphemy on church doctrine. Your kind dismisses global warming as an anti-capitalist conspiracy, preferring to listen to scientists paid by Big Oil and Big Coal to disagree with the vast majority of qualified scientists who believe global warming is a grave threat to mankind. You believe without any textual support whatsoever that Obamacare has provisions for "death panels." Your party ran an utterly deceitful campaign that featured a shallow, unprincipled man as your candidate, a man who promised to deal with job outsourcers but himself had sent thousands of jobs overseas. Your candidate, despite a $1B budget, never figured out that the Presidency is won in the electoral college and nowhere else, a fact that led to Romney losing 9 out of 11 swing states, thereby guaranteeing his loss in an electoral college landslide.

      Stop calling people and groups you don't like nasty names. Stop being petulant children. Stop listening to Faux News, Rush Limbaugh, and Grover Norquist and start reading. Start with a book written by Naomi Klein called "The Shock Doctrine." You'll learn about the economic system Republicans have been pushing on America since Ronald Reagan's time, economic policies that have, in practice, ruined America's widespread prosperity and only produced income inequality. It's reviled abroad as neoliberalism; it's called "laissez faire capitalism" or "austere capitalism" and it features hatred for government as the enemy of capitalism and preaches deregulation and privatization of government. It was conceived first by an Austrian economist named Friedrich Hayek and was further developed by an economist named Milton Friedman at the University of Chicago School of Economics. It wiped out the middle class in Chile after the coup d'etat in 1973 under the dictator Agosto Pinochet, it creamed the middle class in Poland during Lech Walesa's time, and it seriously undermined the middle class in post-Glasnost Russia. The International Monetary Fund (IMF) and the World Bank, which makes subscription to Friedman's ideas a condition for lending to developing nations. It's not only today's economic orthodoxy, but it's the last 40 years' economic tyranny. Deregulation of banks, mortgage companies, and investment firms during Bush's time led directly to the financial catastrophe that befell the 2007-08 worldwide financial collapse. And, if fully implemented here, as Romney would have done, it would have further destroyed the middle class here.

      No, Mr. Clarkson, we saved you from the adverse consequences of your party's dogmatic stupidity.
      You should feel grateful, but of course, your dogmatism and authoritarianism don't permit you to understand anything that conflicts with your propaganda-filled head.

        #30.6 - Fri Nov 9, 2012 10:42 PM EST
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        Republicans missed a unique opportunity to have a positive impact on this law. They could've fought for things they wanted in healthcare reform such as tort reform, allowing insurance companies to compete in multiple states, and perhaps reigning in medicare's inflation rate. Instead they chose to oppose the president at any cost, hoping to use it as an election issue.

        The fact of the matter is that it is unacceptable for a country with our wealth to leave 50 million people without coverage. President Obama correctly identified that as a national problem deserving his attention in his first term. While the law is not perfect and does need some adjustments, I'm glad to see that it will be implemented.

        This is one reason why the republican party just got its head handed to it. Hopefully, they will learn their lesson. Partisan politics must take a back seat to working for the good of the country.

        • 3 votes
        Reply#31 - Thu Nov 8, 2012 6:08 PM EST

        I almost don't believe what I just read. It sounded like the republicans are giving a concession speech. Maybe there's hope yet that something will be done by Congress. The President has always been willing to compromise. I hear the compliant that the President wouldn't listen to the republicans. Come up with "good" stuff not "stupid" stuff and maybe someone will listen to you. It's going to interesting to watch this lame duck session to see if anything gets accomplished. We'll see!!!

        • 1 vote
        Reply#32 - Thu Nov 8, 2012 6:08 PM EST

        if bohner , and his tea party congress doesn't give up their quest to make obama a '' one term '' president , i believe even the koch brothers are going to become democrats. nothing will make these conservatives look more like sore losers then bohner crying over his glass of '' victory champaign '' lol !!!

        • 1 vote
        #32.1 - Thu Nov 8, 2012 6:16 PM EST

        Well if the President has always been willing to compromise, he should have MADE Harry Reid quit refusing to debate any Republican bills brought to the Senate. Facts are facts.

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        #32.2 - Thu Nov 8, 2012 6:30 PM EST
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        Reply#33 - Thu Nov 8, 2012 6:08 PM EST

        Go to school and learn something different whymewhyus!!!!!!!!

          #33.1 - Thu Nov 8, 2012 9:53 PM EST
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          Comment author avatarTim Mcvia Facebook

          So, can we start calling it "The Affordable Health Care Act" now, or does that take too much work?

          • 3 votes
          Reply#34 - Thu Nov 8, 2012 6:09 PM EST

          C'mon people - leave it alone already. You had your chance to get it repealled on Tuesday. Now suck it up and deal with it!

          • 3 votes
          Reply#35 - Thu Nov 8, 2012 6:09 PM EST

          NOPE, its YOUR country now, those of us that fought our asses off to stop this trainwreck DO NOT give a damn anymore. All Hail OBAMA, the showers are nice come on in, KARMA is a bitch, I want to see this country on its knees in regret for being an IDIOCRACY!

            #35.1 - Thu Nov 8, 2012 6:17 PM EST

            north- good then, get out of OUR country

            • 3 votes
            #35.2 - Thu Nov 8, 2012 6:21 PM EST

            It's OUR country now? Great news! Please leave immediately, we don't have any room for sore losers who act like 3 year olds when they don't get their way. The fact that you would even wish for the country to fail shows what kind of American you are...

            • 3 votes
            #35.3 - Thu Nov 8, 2012 6:27 PM EST

            Yeah Forker, why don't you leave? In fact, look around a bit and I'm sure you can find an immigrant who would happy to take over your job. You know, one of those people who left wherever they were because they see the USA as a far better choice than where they came from. Go visit your offshore money and stay there....

            Do watch out for the occasional revolution though (hint: if there's armed men in the streets, things might be a bit shakey... LOL).

              #35.4 - Thu Nov 8, 2012 6:39 PM EST
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              how does it hurt jobs and healthcare? work together for a better America - you guys hurt us all with your great priority --one term president - these muti term politicianshurt us all - wake up--lets get things done for the American People

                Reply#36 - Thu Nov 8, 2012 6:09 PM EST

                The ACA (I get tired of the terminology "Obamacare", given that the Republicans supported something very similar years ago.) was written in a rush and could stand additional review and some tweaking. So why did we have to wait three years and 30+ repeal attempts to finally land on a rational solution? The American people are tired of the bickering and deserve so much better from our elected officials. BTW, that goes for both sides of the aisle!

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                Reply#37 - Thu Nov 8, 2012 6:10 PM EST

                Exactly.

                  #37.1 - Thu Nov 8, 2012 6:34 PM EST
                  Reply

                  LOL

                  People STILL don't get it.

                  The Healthcare Reform Bill is SUPPOSED to make things worse for people: more part-timers, less jobs, less health insurance as employers drop it like a hot potato when the prices go through the roof. All that means is that people will become increasingly desperate and increasingly angry as they, their friends, co-workers and loved ones suffer and die from lack of medical care and treatment, or go bankrupt paying for it, and THAT means that over time, citizens will increasingly demand a single-payer health insurance system, to the great relief of employers, who don't want to spend ANYTHING on healthcare.

                  • 1 vote
                  Reply#38 - Thu Nov 8, 2012 6:10 PM EST

                  I'm pretty sure that you're the one that doesn't get it. Oh, by the way, I loved the line about "co-workers and loved ones suffering and dying from lack of medical care"...let me guess, you're one of the people who ran around screaming about the "death panels" when the ACA was first introduced. Check the tin foil in your hat, I think you've sprung a leak.

                    #38.1 - Thu Nov 8, 2012 6:31 PM EST

                    LMFAO

                    and that's AT you, not With you.

                    I am 100% behind universal healthcare. Not only is it the right thing to do, it is in fact vital for the future of our Great Nation.

                    "Death Panels" are a crock of @!$%# whose reality only happens under REPUBLICAN governments hell-bent on cutting spending and "entitlements".

                    45,000 people die in america every year because they cannot afford the medical treatments that would save their lives...so don't @!$%#ing tell me about "death panels".

                    But the reality stands; those who want universal healthcare will, and are, in the process of making the current system so expensive and untenable that citizens will demand a government-controlled single-payer system.

                    Which is exactly what we need.

                    You ignoramous.

                      #38.2 - Tue Nov 20, 2012 4:36 PM EST
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                      im very sad to say this is the start of the end for are once great country , we will all die under obamas 2nd term .

                        Reply#39 - Thu Nov 8, 2012 6:10 PM EST

                        I think your a bit mixed up jerry and got your people switched. Romney would have been the death of the country.

                        • 4 votes
                        #39.1 - Thu Nov 8, 2012 6:12 PM EST
                        Reply

                        I am starting to wish that Boehner had run for president.

                          Reply#40 - Thu Nov 8, 2012 6:11 PM EST

                          This is what happens when you decide to go extreme using archaic beliefs for your policy making rather than going moderate. They gambled big with their ultra-right wing platform and lost big.

                          • 2 votes
                          Reply#41 - Thu Nov 8, 2012 6:11 PM EST

                          Now the Republicans can take advantage of the "Mental Health" provisions. John should consider a "30 day Stint" in treatment and get off the sauce.

                          • 1 vote
                          Reply#42 - Thu Nov 8, 2012 6:11 PM EST

                          Nobamacare is the law of the land, and I am among its first victims. I am not a 1% er. So according to Obama, we were supposed to immune from higher taxes.

                          well, my FSA is limited to 2,500...so the rest of my health care costs are now fully taxable That means more taxes I am going to pay. Which to me and anyone else- is a tax increase.

                          My premium just went up.

                          My deductible just went up.

                          My total max responsibility just went up.

                          My insurance choices, plummeted to a few options.

                          All thanks to Nobamacare.

                          Thanks for nothing Nobama!!

                          • 1 vote
                          Reply#43 - Thu Nov 8, 2012 6:11 PM EST

                          Just completed my health insurance enrollment.. And found yes, FSA limited to 2,500... Cost went up...

                            #43.1 - Thu Nov 8, 2012 6:13 PM EST
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                            Now that the election is over, can we please start working toward the good of this country and stop fighting over party ideologies?

                            We all know that the debt is out of control and that jobs need to be created. The problem is that no politician ever wants to do anything positive for fear that it might make them look like they're cooperating with their opponents. Americans are tired of it.

                            • 2 votes
                            Reply#44 - Thu Nov 8, 2012 6:12 PM EST

                            NOPE, its YOUR country now, those of us that fought our asses off to stop this trainwreck DO NOT give a damn anymore. All Hail OBAMA, the showers are nice come on in, KARMA is a bitch, I want to see this country on its knees in regret for being an IDIOCRACY!

                              #44.1 - Thu Nov 8, 2012 6:16 PM EST

                              Northforker,

                              It's our country still, you dull-witted, divisive moron. Your party advanced an extremist agency that entailed fomenting hatred for anyone not like you, whether Hispanic, female, or Asian. You and your kind stood by as your party engaged in infantile name-calling of Obama (Socialist, Communist, foreigner, the reincarnation of the Devil or Adolf Hitler) unlike any other in history, something your party wouldn't have done if he looked like Romney. Your party conned you into believing that 47% or 48% of non-federal-income-tax-paying of our population are lazy freeloaders who refuse to work or seek work when, in fact, 91% of all federal entitlements are paid to retired people over the age of 65 years old, those too disabled to work, or children in families whose parents work at least 1000 hours but don't make enough income to meet the federal guidelines for poverty, while the remaining 9% is largely paid to veterans' programs.

                              You've convinced yourselves that "trickle down" or "romancing job creators," or reduced taxes for investors produces jobs when the Bush tax cuts did no such thing during Bush's time or Obama's. You remain oblivious year after year of the fact that income is trickling up, not down, as the income of the top 1% increased between 1979 and 2007 by 275% while the average worker's income barely kept pace with inflation, and workers have been forced to bear a far greater share of their retirement and health insurance benefits. You're completely oblivious to the fact that 85% of all annual income in the United States goes to the top 20% of the income ladder. Republicans tried to curry favor with Catholic bishops who whined about federal healthcare laws governing healthcare options for female workers on the ground that requiring contraceptives violates Catholics' religious freedom, when it was the bishops themselves who were violating the religious beliefs and personal healthcare prerogatives of their female workers by insisting that all female workers of all faiths in hospitals that serve the public at large to subscribe to the bishops' religious principles, thereby breaching the bounds of that which is Caesar's (within the public, not religious purview. Every state has divorce laws that violate Catholic precepts, but that doesn't mean the Catholic Church can insist that those divorce laws are a blasphemy on church doctrine. Your kind dismisses global warming as an anti-capitalist conspiracy, preferring to listen to scientists paid by Big Oil and Big Coal to disagree with the vast majority of qualified scientists who believe global warming is a grave threat to mankind. You believe without any textual support whatsoever that Obamacare has provisions for "death panels." Your party ran an utterly deceitful campaign that featured a shallow, unprincipled man as your candidate, a man who promised to deal with job outsourcers but himself had sent thousands of jobs overseas. Your candidate, despite a $1B budget, never figured out that the Presidency is won in the electoral college and nowhere else, a fact that led to Romney losing 9 out of 11 swing states, thereby guaranteeing his loss in an electoral college landslide.

                              Stop calling people and groups you don't like nasty names. Stop being petulant children. Stop listening to Faux News, Rush Limbaugh, and Grover Norquist and start reading. Start with a book written by Naomi Klein called "The Shock Doctrine." You'll learn about the economic system Republicans have been pushing on America since Ronald Reagan's time, economic policies that have, in practice, ruined America's widespread prosperity and only produced income inequality. It's reviled abroad as neoliberalism; it's called "laissez faire capitalism" or "austere capitalism" and it features hatred for government as the enemy of capitalism and preaches deregulation and privatization of government. It was conceived first by an Austrian economist named Friedrich Hayek and was further developed by an economist named Milton Friedman at the University of Chicago School of Economics. It wiped out the middle class in Chile after the coup d'etat in 1973 under the dictator Agosto Pinochet, it creamed the middle class in Poland during Lech Walesa's time, and it seriously undermined the middle class in post-Glasnost Russia. The International Monetary Fund (IMF) and the World Bank, which makes subscription to Friedman's ideas a condition for lending to developing nations. It's not only today's economic orthodoxy, but it's the last 40 years' economic tyranny. Deregulation of banks, mortgage companies, and investment firms during Bush's time led directly to the financial catastrophe that befell the 2007-08 worldwide financial collapse. And, if fully implemented here, as Romney would have done, it would have further destroyed the middle class here.

                              Northforker, we saved you from the adverse consequences of your party's dogmatic stupidity.
                              You should feel grateful, but of course, your dogmatism and authoritarianism don't permit you to understand anything that conflicts with your propaganda-filled head.

                                #44.2 - Fri Nov 9, 2012 10:54 PM EST
                                Reply

                                As a retired business manufacturer for over twenty five
                                years, I am glad I am now retired. Obama care by its self is not a back breaker
                                but combine it with all the other taxes, fees, and assessments it is. In
                                California we have one of the highest compensation insurance payments per
                                employee in the nation. OSHA is ridiculous, plus we are taxed every two years
                                on the equipment we own. Then there are special taxes just for small business
                                the corporate business are exempt from. The list seems endless when you have to
                                write out all those checks. As an owner I got paid last, took all the risks,
                                worked the most hours and incase of failure got no benefits or assistance from
                                either the local, State, or Federal Governments. You have to either be independently
                                wealthy or just plain crazy to go into small business.

                                  Reply#45 - Thu Nov 8, 2012 6:12 PM EST

                                  wait til companies start disconinuing offering healthcare plans and paying the penalties (perfectly legal according to the plan) - they will start by paying employees the difference between the penalties ($800?) and the premiums they are currently paying - let the employee either pay their penalty or buy a policy - they will gradually reduce the difference they pay to the employee as the economy continues to struggle and profits are on the line - PEOPLE will have to make up the difference themselves. Then there is this notion that premiums will be cheaper in a competitive market - I've never seen where a quantity group discount is more than an individual policy. Also there is a loophole for those that pay the penalty and when they need an operation or specific care known in advance they simply buy one , pay a few months have their operation then drop the care. The ins. co. is saddled with the bill and has only recouped a very small amt fro the policy holder - they make up the difference by higher premiums from everyone else - premium costs will skyrocket - people should have read the damn thing instead of believing the lies - oh and there is a tax as part of the plan when you sell your house that goes to fund the healthcare plan - its in there - READ IT!

                                  • 1 vote
                                  Reply#46 - Thu Nov 8, 2012 6:13 PM EST

                                  Implement the whole DAMN thing, lock stock and barrel, AND take away ALL of the exemptions, no companies, no unions, no politician are exempt. Let's see how EVERBODY likes it then! If it hastens the lemmings going over the cliff and the meltdown of this @!$%#hole of a country, I'm all for it. Karma is a bitch, let's get it on baby!!!

                                    Reply#47 - Thu Nov 8, 2012 6:13 PM EST

                                    Karma was Romney sent packing fool...

                                    • 2 votes
                                    #47.1 - Thu Nov 8, 2012 6:14 PM EST

                                    I actually agree with that. Boehner should capitulate completely on everything. Give these liberal idiots the noose, and let them hang themselves. We all know this is unsustainable. We all know Obamacare is an impending disaster from several different perspectives.

                                    Never lose faith... anything these idiots did can be undone. But the Nanny State needs to implode first.

                                    The democratic party... the "Party of Moochers".

                                    • 1 vote
                                    #47.2 - Thu Nov 8, 2012 6:17 PM EST

                                    YEP, its THEIR country now, those of us that fought our asses off to stop this trainwreck DO NOT give a damn anymore. All Hail OBAMA, the showers are nice come on in, KARMA is a bitch, I want to see this country on its knees in regret for being an IDIOCRACY!

                                      #47.3 - Thu Nov 8, 2012 6:21 PM EST

                                      Northporker, how many of these copy/paste diatribes do you have stored up?

                                        #47.4 - Thu Nov 8, 2012 6:50 PM EST
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                                        the republicans are going to let the chips fall. We are tired of telling the "takers" why Obamacare will be a disaster. Now we will let them live with it. The only way they will learn is to have to live in it . Good Luck ! you didnt ask for it, they rammed it down your throat, and now you voted for it. We could fix it, but we are tired of bailing you all out. In the long run, we will "rue the day".

                                        • 1 vote
                                        Reply#48 - Thu Nov 8, 2012 6:13 PM EST

                                        YEP, its THEIR country now, those of us that fought our asses off to stop this trainwreck DO NOT give a damn anymore. All Hail OBAMA, the showers are nice come on in, KARMA is a bitch, I want to see this country on its knees in regret for being an IDIOCRACY!

                                          #48.1 - Thu Nov 8, 2012 6:21 PM EST
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                                          Great. Thanks in no small part to the absolute deception and lies by NBC carrying Obama's water for him.

                                          WATERED DOWN HEALTHCARE. Funded by a myriad of new taxes ( eg., in 2014 a 3% tax on home sales when you sell your house)! 716 billion STOLEN from the Medicare Trust Fund and sent to fund the MediCAID provisions of Obamacare... and entirely different expenditure having NOTHING to do with senior healthcare.

                                          Sarah Palin wasn't really all that far off when she described the impending 15 government administrators for Obamacare as "the death squad". And we shall truly see what Barack Obama meant when he said some people should just "take a pill"... AND DIE.

                                          NBC is fully culpable now in the destruction of America. Day after the election I was eating lunch in a cafe, and they had NBC on. There, pontificating to all of their liberal viewers, was none other than avowed communist Van Jones. That's where you've gone with the news? Giving the likes of communists like Jones, Sharpton, and Chris Matthews a bully pulpit?

                                          Trust me on this, NBC is not a viable news outlet. In fact, as bad as CNN, CBS, and ABC are, NBC is far worse. And that's saying something.

                                            Reply#49 - Thu Nov 8, 2012 6:13 PM EST

                                            Folks will realize what an atrocity Obamacare really is when insurance premiums continue rise, fewer benefits, fewer doctors taking Medicare patients which means seniors will not get the quality care they need, Medicare Advantage disappears.....and that's just the obvious things. Our country is in BIG trouble. Oh well!

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                                            Reply#50 - Thu Nov 8, 2012 6:13 PM EST

                                            Let's see, so far because of health care reform, my wife has been able to keep maternity on her policy, both of us have prescription drug plans, and we have seen less of a rise in our premiums than we have in other years. I fail to see the problem here.

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                                            #50.1 - Thu Nov 8, 2012 6:20 PM EST
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                                            So, is this a sign that the GOTP is FINALLY going to GROW THE HELL UP and stop acting like brats throwing tantrums?

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                                            Reply#51 - Thu Nov 8, 2012 6:14 PM EST

                                            And the democrats act any better? I think not.

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                                            #51.1 - Thu Nov 8, 2012 6:35 PM EST
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