Too bad this Arkansas law dosen't stand a snowballs chance in hell. I only live a couple hundred miles from there and that could lower the price here!

I'm keeping my fingers crossed anyway!

Legalization of medical marijuana doesn't lower the price at all, as far as I can tell. But the quality is excellent and seems to be free of contaminants

The laws legalizing marijuana for recreational or other purposes could face federal challenges, because marijuana possession is still a federal crime.

and the people who go on and on about states rights will use the federal ban to overturn any state level referendum legalizing weed.

In Washington, the true collective gardens are left to do their business as long as they comply with the law. The law here states (from what I remember) that a grower may grow 5 plants per patient, up to 10 patients at one time, and no more than 45 plants at one time. At that point, the cost to the patient is a donation only. It's the dispensaries that are no less expensive, although they state "donation" along with their price point.

I have a feeling if Obama gets re-elected he will gradually ease up federal regulations. I was shocked how hard he has been but he listens to the polls and the people's voice.

If the other guy wins I think he will have to impress his Evangelical base and start federal drug raids for @!$%#s and giggles!

Massachusetts has medicinal marijuana...... aaaaannd.... Colorado goes....... 'ERE....'ERE...

Only thing worse than a sore loser republican, is a braggart winner, Piggy. I feel sorry for you.

So glad my vote here in Washington State helped pave the way for huge tax incentives off the sales of marijuana for education, also to clear courts & jails to go after violent crime instead.....should have been done years ago but you have to start somewhere!

Lokay ... that is grammatically correct.

Lokay, look up "Aspirant H"

"An historic" is grammatically correct. It's just not used in spoken American English because we pronounce the H.

" It's just not used in spoken American English because we pronounce the H."

My point exactly. Thank you for clarifying that.

Mattfromwash -- if you believe the government in WA will actually use that money for education then you need to STOP smoking weed. No more than the sales tax increase passed by the sheep in CA will go towards education -- ole Jerry will use it towards the budget -- gotta keep funding those illegals. More spending/more government/more regulations the democrat way. Congrats on burdening our children, grandchildren, great-grandchildren, etc. with what will be an astronomical debt -- but as long as you selfishly have yours and your greedy paws in the taxpayers pockets you don't care.

Will the federal gov't collect taxes on marijuana from these states that have legalized it? I would be really interested to find out if any one in those states knows.

Did you see the lester holt/brian williams coverage about colorado and washington legalizing pot? That just goes to show you how light hearted marijuana should be taken. They were laughin it up, being all gitty, and crackin jokes about the MJ votes. This is not the first report i have seen were the anchor(s) are joking about and/or down playing the MJ issue. These guys dont get all "funny" about immigration issues, gay marriage, social security, abortion right or other social issues. The use of MJ for medical and/or recreational purpose should be of no concern. The majority of the people in the US know this is true even though some wont come out and say it.

Rocky Mountain high in Colorado......until I am so stoned I forget to put gas in my experimental airplane......Rocky Mountain High..........

When we can all get stoned, problems will disappear because no one will care. Keeping people stupid is the answer. Drugs for everyone!

If marijuana was legalized, they'd be profiting on taxing it, spending less money on throwing people who use or possess marijuana in jail while taxpayers pay for it, increase in dispensaries which helps with leasing empty buildings for business and an increase in employment for the people who would be hired to work at the dispensaries. The only downfall for the government when it comes to legalizing marijuana would be that the conservatives aren't getting their way. There are way better things the DEA should be worrying about than potheads.

lokay5,

"An historic" is correct. It is just one of the little foibles of the English language. There are others. I'm sure you've noticed them here and there. Ease up before you have a stroke. You'll feel like a damned idiot if you're on a gurney in an ambulance slowly dying after having a stroke because someone's grammar upsets you- especially if they're correct in the first place.

Get mad at the people who say "nucular" instead of "nuclear"- especially politicians! Kennedy started it innocently, it was a personal error in his grammar. The mistake spread around a bit and then politicians picked up on it to make themselves more "Kennedyesque". You have my full agreement in "GRRRrrr-ing" them if you are unable to tread heavily on their gluteal cleft. ;>)

Tax it and make money off it. God knows every state needs the revenue. People don't get stoned and commit violent crimes or run over people in their car - like users of alcohol. It's a waste of taxpayer money incarcerating people over marijuana. The damaging effects and risks of alcohol are far greater.

Rocky Mountain high in Colorado......until I am so stoned I forget to put gas in my experimental airplane......Rocky Mountain High..........

Ouch.

Cheech & Chong are moving to CO. Amazing that this once bastion of the GOP is one of the first to legalize pot. I sense more will follow. Those who partake have been doing so despite "breaking the law" so I wouldn't expect numbers to "grow" significantly and lead to use of harder drugs. After all alcohol & tobacco are legal and number of users remains static with tobacco use declining. In fact it might even speed up tobacco's decline.

The actual majority of CO voters are registered as independants... I happen to live there.. just sayin :-) I think evertyone out here will agree on 1 thing.. damn glad the election is over!!! no more ads

The whole driving-while-impaired bit is bunk, because alcohol and all other mind-altering drugs (including Benadryl, which induces drowsiness) would be prohibited by law. If anything, given my choice of a drunk driver or a stoned driver, I'd take the stone driver any day. They tend to drive really, really slow, which means, if they do get into a wreck, much less damage will be done, and fatalities will be greatly reduced.

It really is time to legalize it, rather than keep filling up our jails and prisons with people who pose an even lower risk to society than beer drinkers.

The federal government, Obama, stated last week they will not tolerate this and they will seek ways to make sure the federal law is abided. Under this president record amount of individuals have been imprisoned...stop kidding yourselves...state laws do not exist anymore...we are a one state nation...the federal state

As long as the federal government urges the use of private prisons...they will never let this become legalized.

Colorado, I promise to fight the good fight when they throw you all in a private prison for something you made legal. I promise!

Not to worry "recreational" pot smokers.....the DOJ will ensure his folks will NOT uphold Federal pot laws (immigration and DOMA ring a bell ?).

Congratulations Colorado and Washington! Thank you for leading the country out of the dark ages and a sane step in the right direction for drug policy.

Finally, we are on the path to ending this abomination called prohibition.

Those of us who believe people have the right to use marijuana within guidelines similar to tobacco and alcohol are really tired of Big Brother telling us what to do with our lives and our bodies- just because Big Brother says so. We are also tired of witnessing one of the most horrific crimes against humanity that we have ever seen when you consider all the drug wars and life lost to imprisonment- not to mention people who are missing the medical benefits of this wonderous plant. This is only the tip of the tip of a movement that is overdue- and pretty soon I will be able to sit back and smoke a doobie before I clean my house- house cleaning is so interesting when I am high. Hooray for sanity and freedom!!!!!

I wonder how long the Supreme Court will try to keep this off their docket. The constitution has a silly thing called the 10th amendment. As long as another amendment does not conflict with a state law, that law will remain. The Controlled Substance Act is NOT an amendment like Alcohol Prohibition was.

Assuming the Feds allows this to go forward without criminal prosecution, it will be very interesting to see if legalization will bring in the money that it seems that it will bring in. Also be interesting to see how crime is affected in the state. Great testing grounds for legalization nationally. I hope good things come of this.

"BlackbirdCheech & Chong are moving to CO."

Actually Cheech isn't a smoker.

With that said I may be moving.

Roadless The President doesn't up hold the law on immigration why do it on drugs, after all it's the number one import from Mexico after people.

time to buy stock in hotpockets and doritos....

Cheetoos, and Whitecastle

Hawkins Cheesies. Nice & salty with a skull rattling crunch providing both satisfaction and entertainment :-)

Blackbird
Cheech & Chong are moving to CO. Amazing that this once bastion of the GOP

You mus have Colorado confused with another state.

So how long before we hear about people who were so into weed they don't go to school or work anymore? Better yet, how will this affect friendships and other relationships? Peer pressure is going to be rampant and friends may be lost just because "he won't light up, so he's a loser!"

I sure hope all you people know what you're doing.

Really? This is your position that you felt so compelled that you had to post it? Just how long do you think marijuana has been around anyway?

How many people died just in the last 24 hours due to accidents and acts of violence that were alcohol related? How many hospitalized? Few hundred? Few thousand? Should we also throw in the ones that have died or OD'd on prescription medication in the last 24 hours?

Now, how many deaths, overdoses, or acts of violence can be attributed to marijuana in the history of mankind? Zero sound about accurate? Deaths and acts of violence due to the fact that its illegal and mostly very bad people are making a TON of money off it really can't be taken into account.

Actually they bust illegal pot growers, they haven't touched one person who has a medical marijuana card. All the dispensaries I know of have been up and running for years with no problems. You probably don't even live here, and your commenting on something you know nothing about.

The dispensaries are always closing down as more and more municipalities ban them in an effort to keep the feds away. The feds have closed down dispensaries who are in compliance with CA (but not federal) law. I don't know whether legal growers with legal quantities of plants have had problems or not.

sunjka said:

"Now the feds can start busting People and destroying lives like they do in California."

And that's exactly what's happening. They're wasting money and ruining people's lives, and for what? It's just stupid.

Legalize it!

The feds have closed down dispensaries who are in compliance with CA (but not federal) law.

That's because many of them are pretty much drug dens. I didn't support the MA measure, but at least they're being pretty smart about it, having only a small number of licensed dispensaries and designating which medical conditions can get the doctor's recommendation. (Anxiety and back ache don't cut it, it has to be a very serious disease.)

I see a mass migration to these two states.Our state of California for being so liberal should have followed suit.Washington and Colorado are more business friendly than California so maybe we'll see our illegal immigration numbers go down and these two states go up as they will need the farm labor for this crop.

Pragmatic,

Vermont law originally accepted only 2 problems as pot prescribable. Only 2!!! They've expanded a little bit since then but they still want an outrageous permit fee of $200... non-refundable when they turn you down. Also you give up your right to privacy since the state demands that one's plants be open for inspection on demand of the cops, and they can search your property for signs of abusing your permit (ie- too many plants etc...). I threw the ridiculous application out and figure I'll remain an outlaw and plead medical necessity if I get busted. I did exactly that once before. I do wish I had access to medical weed though. I've been buying high quality green and skunk weed through connections. I'd much rather grow my own though.

Federal Law cannot be " nit picked " and enforced only if it is political prudent to do so.

You cannot have the Justice Department fight AZ Immigration bill on the grounds it trumps Federal Law, and Let Legal Mary Jane go unchallenged.

It does not matter if you are a pot head or not. The Law is the Law. Federal Law trumps State Law ( All you dems were preaching this about AZ )

So lets see what your true colors are. You cannot go one way on one issue you dislike and the exact opposite on one you support. Federal Law trumping State Law cannot be a gray area. Either it does or it doesnt.

Thank you Jeremy 960164 Thank you...

it hurts to see so many people dont understand how this all works...

That is not true, they do bust medical facilities and this administration has busted more medical facilities in 4 years than any other. I voted for Obama, twice, but I think Eric Holder is either a worthless piece of Nazi garbage or Chapo Guzman's but! buddy. The only people that benefit from the drug war are cartels, private prisons contracting to the state and government, and entrenced bueracrats that have life time employment as long as the "war on drugs' continues for ever. I am a 55 year old white guy that doesn't smoke but I pay taxes and the war on drugs the DEA etc. are a waste of my the taxpayer's money. This expert in the article, Sabat, of worthless trash that has no value if there is not war on drugs. It is their interest to keep it going. As for you about the AZ law, kiss my A$$, that is why you lost the election cause your true colors came out and they were white as in white sheets, you tea party Klan trailer trash.

@Jeremy-960164 actually, yes, they can selectively enforce laws. Unless you've gone to law school and studied the preemptive powers of the federal government I suggest you leave it to the professionals.

There's such thing as prosecutorial discretion. If they don't want to prosecute it, nothing says they have to. Since busting people for pot is a waste of money on so many different levels, I absolutely see why the federal government has said they the DOJ will not mess with states with pot is legalized.

I say this, having worked in the federal courts for 2 years. I know federla law, I graduated law school and am very familiar with preemption. There are two types of preemption. If the feds intended to preempt the field, then state law folds, if not then it's up to the courts. Since the feds can regulate aspects of pot through the commerce clause, it's debatable whether they intended to preempt the field. My thinking is not (I haven't really researched the issue) because criminalization of pot is left up to the states for the most part.

So... tl;dr you're wrong, go to law school

just a cleaning lady, this will not bring the numbers down in California. It should not be so hard to figure out that those numbers will continue to rise every where.

fgh-1038628,I can hope though can't I?We are over populated here.

I really hope they don't move here(Washington), most of the transplants from California have already made this place worse.

People move from their home because they don't like what it's turned into, then they try to convert their new home into the old one. We really don't need California's problems.

Jeremy,

Under 'NATURE OF FEDERAL GOVERNMENT', the volume of 'American law and procedure, it states, quote," From the nature of the the Constitution of the United States, there result two great constitutional principals. The first one is that the United States is strictly a government of limited powers. The rule for construing it's powers is exactly opposite of that for construing the powers of states. The state governments have unlimited powers, except where prohibited by the US Constitution or by their own constitution.".........There is also a clause that states, "a state may grant more rights than are protected by the US Constitution."

I read this as meaning the federal government powers are supreme only in cases where it acts within the enumerated powers granted to it by the US Constitution in an expressly or implied nature. Therefore, the term,' PROVIDE FOR THE GENERAL WELFARE," does not mean for particular individuals, communities or states, it means for the general populace of the United States as a whole, or across state line issues........If a particular state chooses to grow, harvest and sell any particular herb, vegetable or fruit to none other than to citizens who reside within the boundaries of the particular state, the state is protected by the US Constitution to do so.

Just did, thanks.

Come visit !

after beating back the conservative menace I think we all deserve a toke. freedom and liberty is safe for another 4 years, hopefully we can get President Obama to swing back to the left and act like the liberal we elected him to be four years ago rather than the conservative he ended up being.

Hey Dottie remember the 2000+ americans killed in NYC under Bushes watch, yeah thats right.

more than that have been kills since Obama....including the 47 million you voters sent to death last night

47million executed via homelessness, sickness, starvation, and your inability to acknowledge/relate to those who lost everything and still have nothing.

Dotties girl

Your name implies you are the girl and Dottie is your "companion", not that there is anything wrong with being a lesbian. In fact I support your right to do as you please, be with whomever you please, and marry whomever you please. I just find it strange that if I am correct, you support the right wing which would choose to ostracise you for your way of life.

She could be Dottie's daughter...Just saying, you extrapolated quite a bit there Anti...

I'm sorry, how many embassies were attacked, resulting in how many deaths prior to Obama's presidency? Where's your outrage with those?

Enough-2735007

Could be, but how many adults go around using their parents to identify themselves, unless there is something to be gained from it. As an adult would you identify yourself as mommy's boy, mommy's girl, daddy's boy or daddy's girl, specially in public.

jdp

The election is over, incessantly beating your drum will not change anything, the full story will come out when it no longer endangers our troops operatives or security. The time to reveal the Navajo code talkers was not during WWII, but now we know about it.

Oh and our embassies were not attacked, 1 diplomatic compound for the consulate was attacked. There were protests at our embassies in some countries of the Middle East.

Now you are assuming she's an adult.

Seems like a very fine line between protest and attack.

(Reuters) - Demonstrators attacked the U.S. embassies in Yemen and Egypt on Thursday in protest at a film they consider blasphemous to Islam, and American warships headed towards Libya after the U.S. ambassador there was killed in related violence this week.

...Hundreds of Yemenis broke through the main gate of the heavily fortified U.S. embassy compound in the capital Sanaa, shouting "We sacrifice ourselves for you, Messenger of God." They smashed windows of security offices outside the embassy and burned cars.

A security source said at least 15 people were wounded, some by gunfire, before the government ringed the area with troops.

In Egypt, protesters hurled stones at a police cordon around the U.S. embassy in central Cairo after climbing into the embassy compound and tearing down the American flag. The state news agency said 13 people were hurt in violence which erupted late on Wednesday, following initial protests on Tuesday.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/09/13/us-protests-idUSBRE88C0J320120913

Enough-2735007

Now you are assuming she's an adult.

Touché :)

Bassai

While both are ugly and to be in the middle is scary as hell, neither should happen. There is a difference between breaking windows, throwing rocks and bottles, chanting and burning cars, and a coordinated attack with multiple vehicle mounted heavy machine guns, full auto ak47's, rpg's, and military mortars in the hands of people who know how to aim them properly.

Dottie's girl you are the lowlife, those men in Benghazi knew they were accepting assignments in a war zone, they knew they would be in the line of fire. The 3000 people who died on 9/11 on the other hand were just trying to do an honest days work when George Bush dropped the ball on the nations security, HE IS THE ONE WHO STILL HAS TO ANSWER FOR THAT. I am still not so sure the conservative crime syndicate did not have something to do with Benghazi in the first place.

You might want to return your calculator. Coincidentally, both states are passing it 55% to 45% at this point. No stretch of the imagination could conclude that as 2 to 1.

Monroe Madison said:

"If your doctor is using marijuana, how will he determine if you have a prexisting condition for your health insurance diagnosis?"

so, Monroe Madison

If your doctor is consuming legal alcoholic beverages, how will he determine if you have a prexisting condition for your health insurance diagnosis?

So what you're saying, in essence is: If he's stoned, he's bad, but if he's drunk, he's okay, right?

I'm not a doctor, but I am stoned. Under Obamacare insurance companies can't deny you coverage for a preexisting condition. Your doctor won't need to determine that. The B.C. Angels will be meeting The Seattle mist in a border War, December 15th, invest in that. If Massachusetts would legalize weed they would use fewer Pharmaceuticals. No details.

As a non-drinker but a smoker I do get really tired of people throwing alcohol in others' face when they might not agree about the green herb. Nowhere in the post above do they mention alcohol yet you assume that because he doesn't smoke he must be a proponent for raging alcoholics. It's just not the case always, if you are a responsible smoker maybe you should assume there are responsible drinkers. Not all drinkers or smokers are responsible with their habits but some are with either vice.

Thank you, annon.

I don't smoke, but I still voted to legalize it here in Colorado.

I do, however, enjoy a drink now and then. I can't stand when MJ proponents vilify alcohol in an attempt to make their product seem more attractive.

Leave alcohol alone. It's legal and will remain so; hopefully MJ will join it and then we can all be happy with our emotional crutches.

First, they used leeches to treat ailments. Then they went to alcohol. And now they're going for marijuana. Medical marijuana is a joke and will make your health only worse.

Under Obamacare insurance companies can't deny you coverage for a preexisting condition. Your doctor won't need to determine that

holy cow are you misinformed....try re-reading it. HIPPA already had it covered...way before Obamacare....they just didnt enforce it...or just re-write that part....

Title I: Health Care Access, Portability, and Renewability

Title I of HIPAA regulates the availability and breadth of group health plans and certain individual health insurance policies. It amended the Employee Retirement Income Security Act, the Public Health Service Act, and the Internal Revenue Code.

Title I also limits restrictions that a group health plan can place on benefits for preexisting conditions. Group health plans may refuse to provide benefits relating to preexisting conditions for a period of 12 months after enrollment in the plan or 18 months in the case of late enrollment.^[3] However, individuals may reduce this exclusion period if they had group health plan coverage or health insurance prior to enrolling in the plan. Title I allows individuals to reduce the exclusion period by the amount of time that they had "creditable coverage" prior to enrolling in the plan and after any "significant breaks" in coverage.^[4] "Creditable coverage" is defined quite broadly and includes nearly all group and individual health plans, Medicare, and Medicaid.^[5] A "significant break" in coverage is defined as any 63 day period without any creditable coverage.^{[6]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_Insurance_Portability_and_Accountability_Act}

While on his own time your doctor may drink if he wants, if he does it to excess it will reflect on his practice and if he were drinking at work he would lose his medical licence, the same would be true for marijuana if it was legalized by the federal government.

Whether or not it is legal in some states, as long as it is against the federal law I would imagine the AMA and DEA would deal very harshly with any doctor's caught using it, even if legal in their particular state.

First, they used leeches to treat ailments. Then they went to alcohol. And now they're going for marijuana. Medical marijuana is a joke and will make your health only worse.

Leeches actually still have medical utility:

http://www.pbs.org/wnet/nature/bloodysuckers/leech.html

Roadlesstraveled,

Thank you for the information.

I believe the key point in your statement is "they just didn't enforce it".

One of my coworkers has a preexisting condition, for which she requires surgery. Our company health insurance provider told her she has to wait until the ACA goes into effect before they will pay for her surgery. Until then, she endeavors to persevere. Perhaps that is because it goes into effect before the 18 months of refusal for late enrollment in HIPPA expires. I think they're just hoping she quits or gets fired, before they have to pay up.

Regardless of HIPPA, I believe my statement that under Obamacare, Monroe's Doctor won't need to determine that, still applies. He won't need to worry about HIPPA's waiting periods.

But there are too many industries that are buying our politicians off so that their profits aren't lost. You must remember that many of these politicians get taken care of by those they take care of after the politicians come out of the political arena. It's not about the gov't making money, it's about a few private individuals.

That's exactly right. Legal pharma companies have a right to fear a plant that is easily grown and much better than their product. Same with the alcohol industry.

We'll see if the feds leave WA and CO alone, and if it generates revenue, they might be leading a pack of states that will follow.

Eh, it's not just Pharma, it's alcohol, tobacco, cotton, paper, private prisons, judges taking kickbacks, police taking kickbacks (I'm not accusing every judge and police officer either). There are so many uses for the plant that it's awesome, but there are too many people who are making money off it being illegal so that's the way they like it and those are the people who own the political officials.

I don't buy it folks. Scientifically the data aren't there that it's better than what big pharma has to offer. (More fun isn't quantitatively measurable.) And it doesn't make logical sense. If it's so great, big pharma has an opportunity to make even more money by patenting it's use for an illness, packaging it up, and selling it under a stupid name. But what about how easy it is to grow? How many people do you know that brew their own beer and never buy it? It isn't hard to do, no harder than growing a plant. There's maybe a handful of people that only consume their own brew, but the huge majority of people just buy it.

You cannot patent a plant.

You can patent the processing of a plant.

You can patent new chemical entities, such as salt-forms of natural compounds.

You can patent new treatments and applications, such as all the things pot is purported to do.

You can patent new techniques for improving yield.

You can patent new variants of the plants, or even genetically modify them and patent that.

You can patent any new research techniques developed in the process of making everything above.

There's lots of money to be made by the power players in all that.

@RIGHThere12

Maybe you should read a little bit about Monsanto.

Big Pharma has had trouble patenting the plant. They have the patent to THC but MJ is a multi-molecule drug with interactions they do not understand. You can patent life the SC decided that in the 80's sadly.

It may be that the current trend in legalization is influenced by big pharma. They may be setting the stage for their great marketing dream.

After all, why has it suddenly become o.k. to put marijuana legalization initiatives on any of the state ballots - after 75 years?

Google Sativex.

and Dronabinol, Marinol and a host of other big pharma drugs with funny names to dope dumb people like yourself.

You don't buy it Pragmatic cause your dumb, and there is no help for that. You can't patent a plant, but you can change it's composition and patent it (loophole). It's not the same plant then. Tobacco is a good example. Natural tobacco has medicinal benifits also till the tobacco company gets ahold of it and adds chemicals and all kinds of poison to it. Like they do with our food supply such as oranges and apples. They then own the rights to specific seeds. That is sinister @!$%#.

Monsanto, and GMO Terminator Cannabis

Now Monsanto wants to control and genetically modify your pot seeds...

Monsanto and the Drug Policy Alliance are not the only entities leading the charge to regulate Cannabis through genetic engineering. As published in the September 2009 issue of the Journal of Experimental Botany, Researchers from the College of Biological Science of the University of Minnesota have identified the genes in the Cannabis plant that produce tetra-hydro-cannabinol (THC), claiming in a press release that it is “a first step toward engineering a drug-free Cannabis plant”. George Weiblen, an associate professor of plant biology and a co-author of the study, said “Cannabis genetics can contribute to better agriculture, medicine, and drug enforcement”.

George Weiblen conducts his research under a permit granted by the DEA to import Cannabis from outside of the U.S. The two sources from which these imports come from are the Kenex corporation based in Ontario Canada and the HortaPharm corporation based in Amsterdam. These two corporations are two of the very few entities which have acquired a DEA permit to import Cannabis into the United States. The history and role of these corporations illustrate the potential of Genetic Engineering in the global Cannabis market.

http://salem-news.com/articles/july182011/monsanto-cannabis.php

An argument does not have to be sensible to attract people. They may be enamored of the speaker, or may have read some poorly written information claiming to be facts. Or they may not understand why arguments must be compared. But after 75 years in an 'educated' society, it seems that better decisions should have been made.

Marijuana cures cancer

Sorry, no. I actually read the journal article and waded through the science. It slows tumor growth. In other words, you still get cancer, you get it more slowly. Growth has to be negative to cure cancer. However, it could be useful in conjunction with traditional treatments to reduce the duration of invasive treatments.

This means that any use is medical because it prevents a disease 41% of Americans will get.

Again, no. The study only looked at one type of cancer: lung cancer. Having done cancer research, I'm skeptical it will apply to all types of cancer. It's worth looking into, though.

Studies assessing the anticancer properties of cannabinoids have shown that they inhibit the proliferation of a wide range of cancers, including brain cancer, prostate cancer, oral cancers, lung cancer, skin cancer, pancreatic cancer, biliary tract cancers, lymphoma, and breast cancer.

The dual effects of delta(9)-tetrahydrocannabinol on cholangiocarcinoma (biliary tract cancer) cells: anti-invasion activity at low concentration and apoptosis induction at high concentration.

The anticancer effect of Delta (9)-tetrahydrocannabinol (THC), the principal active component of cannabinoids has been demonstrated in various kinds of cancers.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19916793

Cannabinoids inhibit cellular respiration of human oral cancer cells.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20516734

Anti-proliferative and apoptotic effects of anandamide in human prostatic cancer cell lines: implication of epidermal growth factor receptor down-regulation and ceramide production.

RESULTS: ANA induced a decrease of EGFR levels on LNCaP, DU145, and PC3 prostatic cancer cells by acting through cannabinoid CB(1) receptor subtype and this leaded to an inhibition of the EGF-stimulated growth of these cells.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12746841?dopt=Abstract

Cannabinoids reduce ErbB2-driven breast cancer progression through Akt inhibition

Results

Our results show that both Δ⁹-tetrahydrocannabinol, the most abundant and potent cannabinoid in marijuana, and JWH-133, a non-psychotropic CB₂ receptor-selective agonist, reduce tumor growth, tumor number, and the amount/severity of lung metastases in MMTV-neu mice. Histological analyses of the tumors revealed that cannabinoids inhibit cancer cell proliferation, induce cancer cell apoptosis, and impair tumor angiogenesis. Cannabinoid antitumoral action relies, at least partially, on the inhibition of the pro-tumorigenic Akt pathway. We also found that 91% of ErbB2-positive tumors express the non-psychotropic cannabinoid receptor CB₂.

http://www.molecular-cancer.com/content/9/1/196

Inhibition of skin tumor growth and angiogenesis in vivo by activation of cannabinoid receptors

http://www.jci.org/articles/view/16116/version/1

Δ⁹-Tetrahydrocannabinol inhibits epithelial growth factor-induced lung cancer cell migration in vitro as well as its growth and metastasis in vivo

http://www.nature.com/onc/journal/v27/n3/abs/1210641a.html

Cannabinoid Receptor-Mediated Apoptosis Induced by R(+)-Methanandamide and Win55,212-2 Is Associated with Ceramide Accumulation and p38 Activation in Mantle Cell Lymphoma

We have recently shown that cannabinoids induce growth inhibition and apoptosis in mantle cell lymphoma (MCL), a malignant B-cell lymphoma that expresses high levels of cannabinoid receptor types 1 and 2 (CB₁ and CB₂).

http://molpharm.aspetjournals.org/content/70/5/1612.abstract

Cannabinoids as potential new therapy for the treatment of gliomas (brain cancer)

http://www.expert-reviews.com/doi/abs/10.1586/14737175.8.1.37

Cannabinoids Induce Apoptosis of Pancreatic Tumor Cells via Endoplasmic Reticulum Stress–Related Genes

http://cancerres.aacrjournals.org/content/66/13/6748.abstract

Pot Compound Protects Against Alcohol-Induced Brain Damage

Researchers hypothesized that CBD is neuroprotective because it possesses anti-oxidant properties. Anti-oxidants, such as vitamin C and vitamin E, are believed to help the body protect against the deleterious effects of free radicals (unstable atoms that can damage cells and may accelerate the progression of cancer and age-related diseases).

http://jpet.aspetjournals.org/content/314/2/780.abstract?sid=4498b396-f35c-49c8-9709-900ffa17e299

Enough cancer crap. It's a specious argument anyway. It's like saying food and water are medicinal because they prevent death. Donuts will prevent death on a daily basis but eventually cause it if that's all you eat. Almost anything could be defined as 'medicinal' with this logic. For me car accidents are medicinal because it's the only time I see a doctor. See what I mean...

yeah sure. and faith healing really works. fact is, this is already proven fact, not some people blowing it out of their asses. these are scientists who are saying this, and some of these reports are from our own government's websites (the ones that end with .gov). facts are facts. simply denying them doesn't invalidate them.

The point is that many things we ingest in one way or another have health effects both good and bad. Generally they balance out and keep any of them from being 'wonder drugs'. I live in Colorado and voted for 64 but I certainly didn't take it's possible cancer fighting abilities into account when I made my decision. It's pain relieving ability far out weighs that in the 'medicinal' realm anyway. No state has ever legalize medicinal use because it might help to fight a certain type of cancer.

Facts are the facts, but there are no data saying that it cures any form of cancer, just that it slows tumor growth. Slowing tumor growth is not enough to prevent cancer, it simply takes longer. Instead of killing you in 8 months, it takes 16 months.

No state has ever legalize medicinal use because it might help to fight a certain type of cancer.

And quite honestly I'm glad CO just dropped the pretense of medicinal application. I've always come down hard on the medicinal aspect because its efficacy and dosing just aren't appropriate for medicine. Medicine is not "smoke this til it feels better" it's "take 25 mg three times a day." Dosing, so you don't have to take more medicine than is necessary to treat the ailment. The efficacy is poorly understood and relies mostly in the realm of anecdote, which are not scientific data. (There are plenty of characterizations and a few in vitro studies, but the data are lacking in vivo.)

CO just said "we want this for fun" and that's an opinion. No pseudoscience to sell it to a reluctant public, just strait up, no BS. That's the way to do it.

Me too. I live here and see the facade of our current medicinal industry. Who actually fought this to try and keep their industry intact. Which is understandable but yeah, let's drop the pretense. Just having one(two) less source feeding the justice/correctional industry is more then worth it.

Brian,

when a elderly woman gets bleeding stomach sores from long term use of vicodin for her back, do we need to make that illegal?

My point is, every drug other their is bad or worse than "not curing cancer"....

I just dont understand your point...if it doesnt cure it then it is bad?

Good grief that extra 8 months could be the good bye i need for my lil kids.

not trying to argue but I dont see your point

road,

I'll assume you meant me.

when a elderly woman gets bleeding stomach sores from long term use of vicodin for her back, do we need to make that illegal?

We know this is a possibility because we've done clinical testing. MJ has never been tested in a controlled way clinically to judge its effectiveness treating disease and figuring out side effects. With vicodin, the elderly woman can make an informed choice and decide to take that risk. With MJ, that information doesn't yet exist. She can't make an informed choice.

I just dont understand your point...if it doesnt cure it then it is bad?

The point of medicine is to treat disease. In order to do that, you need to prove it actually does what it is said to do. If MJ is supposed to cure cancer, prove it. Do a clinical study with real live humans who have cancer. Do it in a controlled way. And make it double-blind, so that the doctors and the patients themselves don't know if they are being treated. Then you need to figure out risks. Maybe MJ causes a stroke if you have a particular condition. We may not know about it because elderly people generally don't report regular MJ use.

not trying to argue but I dont see your point

If I give you a plant I found in the jungle and say "here, eat this and it will cure your bad eyesight" would you just eat it? Just like that? You'd probably want to know it wouldn't kill you first. Then you'd probably want to know it's going to actually do what I say it is, especially if I'm charging you money, especially if I tell you that you have to keep eating it to have good eyesight.

No, that's not what I said at all and I voted for 64 in Colo. And I fully support anybody using it for any benefit they want and it does have some real medicinal value. But toting it as an anti-cancer drug at this point has no more validity then every other thing we have attributed this property too, rightly or wrongly, over the decades. We may find that yeah it suppresses the growth of a certain cancer but encourages others. There are a lot of other things we have been studying out in the open for a lot longer then pot that we still can't agree on so I simply think it's silly to focus on a possible anti-cancer link especial when most people who voted for this simply want to smoke pot without the stigma.

I do not have cancer, but let's say I did. It is well-known that it is an uncomfortable, debilitating and more often than not, a painful disease. So will you 'rocket scientists ' tell me why I am going to make an outrageous claim that smoking or ingesting marijuana helps me with my symptoms? Which could jeopardize my insurance plan? Why would I bother? Well?

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This thing won't let me post links. Yes they have actual peer reviewed medical studies showing that pot chokes off the extra blood vessels that feed cancer cell, effectively starving the cancer to death. It also causes the hippocampus to produce new brain cells which then replace cells lost to Aldzhiemer's or physical trauma. These studies, which have been done in Canada and the UK, because it's illegal to do them in the US, are published in respected medical journals.

Where have you guys been for the past five years? I thought the existence of all this published and peer reviewed, scientific data was common knowledge, available to anyone who is capable of Googleing "cannabinoid research".

After all that typing, now I spot post#8.2.

Facts are the facts, but there are no data saying that it cures any form of cancer, just that it slows tumor growth. Slowing tumor growth is not enough to prevent cancer, it simply takes longer. Instead of killing you in 8 months, it takes 16 months.

hmmm...last i heard, none of the snake oil big pharma peddles cures cancer as well...and while you make the point that it prolongs livability, you assume it would be a longer, more drawn out death when in fact it would be a more peaceful and in fact a healthier death than those who die using big pharma's crap that has more side effects than marijuana.

MJZ, the "gateway" argument is the most absurd of them all. It only works if you look through the wrong end of the telescope. Yes, a survey showed decades ago that a large number of folks who had problems with things like coke, heroin and other strong chemicals said their first illegal drug was pot. But what percentage of pot users went on to have serious heroin or coke problems? A very small minority. Tens of millions of Americans have smoked pot. We have never had tens of millions of heroin addicts. Look through the right end of the telescope and you see a much clearer picture. Not a gateway drug. No such thing. Thanks Washington and Colorado. President Obama, time to get on the train to end the disastrous war on pot.

I got so lazy from the weed I never made it through the gateway. How can I move on to other drugs when I cant get off the couch haahaahaaa

Not a gateway drug. No such thing.

Sure there is. But it's not MJ. It's alcohol.

It's actually milk.

I'd like to see you say this to any cancer or fibro patient that use it just to be able to live day to day. Just because YOU don't need it and can't see the benefits doesn't mean there are not any.

Why the hell do you care Bob, what someone chooses to do to themselves. How exactly does their use of marijuana affect you in any way.

Bob, a lot of states are proposing to make receational use legal. Does that suit you better? You'll have to find something else to hate on.

Bob's a moron. Who created this plant Boob??? Doesn't the Bible in Genesis and all throughout speak about what GOD created the her for mankind before there was anything created and it was all good. It's not medicinal??? Really Boob?? Only poisonous supposed medicine created in a lab is medicine?? Who are you to speak about something you know nothing about. I don't know how to fly a plane, so how could i claim to be such an expert on how to fly one??? Would you trust me to fly you around?? I wouldn't trust me, yet you speak for millions of people throughout history who would FACTUALLY say otherwise for some major diseases to the most mildest. Our entire country also has a huge hidden positive history with this herb created by a creator. You know more than the creator and the millions of people Boob. Shut the F*@% up and crawl back into your cave you neanderthal. You think medicine was just created in recent times?? That there were CVS's around thousands of years ago. Your a flat earther Boob. Why do you hate GOD and think your smarter than he. That's also freedom against religion Boob. Is that what you believe in?? Also besides the thousands of positive ways an educated person can argue your stupidity here are a few. Department of Agriculture during WW2 made a video promoting Hemp which is illegal called "Hemp for Victory" because the thousand of uses for this plant. Look up

US PATENT 6630507

This is nothing compared to the thousands upon thousands of positive things that can come from this miracle of a plant.... Created by GOD boob. People who are just reading these stupid LIES from these evil hating subhumans who just want to support the cartels and lock peaceful nonviolent people in cages need to start shouting down these neanderthals or their stupidity will spread like a cancer... which real scientists and knowledgeable people know marijuana also can help. DON'T stand on the sidelines and not challenge their stupidity anylonger it should have never been illegal to begin... but it was all a sinister plan and that's the TRUTH on why it's illegal. Not because Boob cares about your health... He doesn't. It can't kill anyone. It should be regulated like poison alcohol. No one should drive intoxicated or sleep deprived.. The law is already in the books and quit using the kids as a last excuse. Majority of people who smoke were kids once to and now respectable adults so mind ur F*#@ing buisness. In the end there is only one basic question you need to ask yourself. Do you really believe in freedom?? Or is that a word you just throw around. If you are responsible and mind your own business in a free society you need to be left alone. How about stupid people go in a cage with murderers and rapist and we would have a better society.. How about that Boob?? The truth is we do need a war on drugs... and it's in your food, water, and surroundings. They like putting the pesticides and poisons in the food to keep us sick and on their poison pills and hate something natural that really has medicinal benifits. Wake up people and fgt4urights!!! By the way Boob.. I don't smoke herb, but HATE liars and ignorant people. The only thing that matters in this world is the TRUTH.. not an opinion, but the TRUTH.

Bob-620072 said:

"Medicinal use???? That's crap. The system will be abused just like it is in California. Prescribed for every bogus condition a stoner can dream up."

Yeah! And that's what makes America great!

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another one....
Just like the other one....

Bob,

I didn't support the measure but I'm realistic. MA went about it in a pretty intelligent way. They reduced the number of dispensaries to a handful to better regulate them. And they limited the diseases that you can get it for to a select few of very serious diseases. Nobody complaining of persistant headaches or an itchy nose will be able to get it.

Everybody else,

Natural doesn't mean harmless. Snake bites are also made by God and they will make you lose fingers, arms, legs, or your life.

So who is it that keeps a snake for 'recreational bites'?

Did you people even READ his comment? He wasn't talking about people with medical conditions smoking weed. He was talking about people who DON'T have medical conditions who could easily lie and say they do just so they can score some weed. There are people in this world who can and will do that. For you people to totally ignore that part of his comment makes me wonder if this was the right thing for these states to do. Apparently people are so happy that they're able to get high they aren't thinking of other outcomes.

Pragmatic says "Natural doesn't mean harmless. Snake bites are also made by God and they will make you lose fingers, arms, legs, or your life". Your arguements and ignorance has limitless bounds. Rocks, sand, seawater... and thousands of other things are natural but can kill you if you consume them. Herb isn't one.Your stupid poisonous arguement shows there are no lengths you would go to say something so stupid. Really?? And since you did mention poisonous snakes your actually 100% wrong on your arguement. Not only is snake poison an antidote, but science and scientist are actually making next generation pain medicine from certain venoms. Medicine like no other for people with EXTREME pains that nothing else on this planet can help such as certain burn victims. Since some of the venom just completely paralizes the victim and slows down the heart rate to almost being dead, yet still alive, paralized, and feeling no pain while the snake counsumes it's victims they want to study it to be used on day for space travel to shut down the body on trips that would take years to visit a planet. There is REAL science on all this jackass.This is real science. Get knowledge before you speek.

once upon a time people used to lie about possessing a bible under the penalty of death. once upon a time people used to lie about possessing alcohol. no more, and most are good people. some lie now about using marijuana, and that still does not alter the fact that most are good people. how is the idea of lying so offensive when it's over an benign herb, or a bible, or a bottle of scotch? I can understand killing someone who lied about murdering someone else, but really, condemning others for lying about partaking the herb under the penalty of losing their entire livelihood and indeed even their own families, and as well as setting off an entire new life for those children who grow up without a father and perpetuating a new generation of those who harm nobody but can lose everything by law over the one of the most safest, non-toxic herb on earth? the punishment does not fit the crime. indeed, there is no crime being done.

UNITED STATES DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE
                      Drug Enforcement Administration 

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                                       )
  In The Matter Of                     )
                                       )              Docket No. 86-22
     MARIJUANA RESCHEDULING PETITION   )
_______________________________________) 



                OPINION AND RECOMMENDED RULING, FINDINGS OF
                  FACT, CONCLUSIONS OF LAW AND DECISION OF
                       Administrative LAW JUDGE. 

FRANCIS L. YOUNG, Administrative Law Judge 

DATED: SEP 6  1988 

FRANCIS L. YOUNG, Administrative Law Judge

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Part VIII.

ACCEPTED SAFETY FOR USE UNDER MEDICAL SUPERVISION

     With respect to whether or not there is "a lack of accepted safety
for use of [marijuana] under medical supervision", the record shows the
following facts to be uncontroverted.

Findings of Fact

Point 3. The most obvious concern when dealing with drug safety is the possibility of lethal effects. Can the drug cause death?

4. Nearly all medicines have toxic, potentially lethal effects. But marijuana is not such a substance. There is no record in the extensive medical literature describing a proven, documented cannabis-induced fatality.

5. This is a remarkable statement. First, the record on marijuana encompasses 5,000 years of human experience. Second, marijuana is now used daily by enormous numbers of people throughout the world. Estimates suggest that from twenty million to fifty million Americans routinely, albeit illegally, smoke marijuana without the benefit of direct medical supervision. Yet, despite this long history of use and the extraordinarily high numbers of social smokers, there are simply no credible medical reports to suggest that consuming marijuana has caused a single death.

6. By contrast aspirin, a commonly used, over-the-counter medicine, causes hundreds of deaths each year.

7. Drugs used in medicine are routinely given what is called an LD-50. The LD-50 rating indicates at what dosage fifty percent of test animals receiving a drug will die as a result of drug induced toxicity. A number of researchers have attempted to determine marijuana's LD-50 rating in test animals, without success. Simply stated, researchers have been unable to give animals enough marijuana to induce death.

8. At present it is estimated that marijuana's LD-50 is around

1:20,000 or 1:40,000. In layman terms this means that in order to induce death a marijuana smoker would have to consume 20,000 to 40,000 times as much marijuana as is contained in onemarijuana cigarette. NIDA-supplied marijuana cigarettes weigh approximately .9 grams. A smoker would theoretically have to consume nearly 1,500 pounds of marijuana within about fifteen minutes to induce a lethal response.

9. In practical terms, marijuana cannot induce a lethal response as a result of drug-related toxicity.

10. Another common medical way to determine drug safety is called the therapeutic ratio. This ratio defines the difference between a therapeutically effective dose and a dose which is capable of inducing adverse effects.

11. A commonly used over-the-counter product like aspirin has a therapeutic ratio of around 1:20. Two aspirins are the recommended dose for adult patients. Twenty times this dose, forty aspirins, may cause a lethal reaction in some patients, and will almost certainly cause gross injury to the digestive system, including extensive internal bleeding.

12. The therapeutic ratio for prescribed drugs is commonly around 1:10 or lower. Valium, a commonly used prescriptive drug, may cause very serious biological damage if patients use ten times the recommended (therapeutic) dose.

13. There are, of course, prescriptive drugs which have much lower therapeutic ratios. Many of the drugs used to treat patients with cancer, glaucoma and multiple sclerosis are highly toxic. The therapeutic ratio of some of the drugs used in antineoplastic therapies, for example, are regarded as extremely toxic poisons with therapeutic ratios that may fall below 1:1.5. These drugs also have very low LD-50 ratios and can result in toxic, even lethal reactions, while being properly employed.

14. By contrast, marijuana's therapeutic ratio, like its LD-50, is impossible to quantify because it is so high.

15. In strict medical terms marijuana is far safer than many foods we commonly consume. For example, eating ten raw potatoes can result in a toxic response. By comparison, it is physically impossible to eat enough marijuana to induce death.

16. Marijuana, in its natural form, is one of the safest therapeutically active substances known to man. By any measure of rational analysis marijuana can be safely used within a supervised routine of medical care."

http://www.ccguide.org/young88.php

Washington has passed this as well!

If the question of legal use was put on the national ballot and passed by a very large majority, the federal government would do everything it could to fight it, saying they know better than the people who put them in office.

I don't think so Magic Dragon. If enough states pass laws such as this by popular mandate, the feds will shift their position. Because eventually those folks voting for those popular mandates will start electing national representatives that mirror their values. It is a viable issue for the electorate in these states and more states are coming.

And Obama now has a free hand to approach this as he wants and not how he thinks he will get re-elected. He already wrote a directive that feds were not to spend resources investigating anyone in compliance with their states med laws. A little loose in language and not always adhered to but it was better then nothing for a first term. So he can now set the tone on how the fed is going to deal with these state laws that legalize it. Personally I think they should throw it to the states. How do we handle prostitution on a federal level that lets states(NV) get around it?

Catholics probably kept it out

They did. Bit of a shame, but patients can still ask a hypothetical question of their doctor "so how many sleeping pills will it take."

Just don't try pot. You'll be there a long time or lose interest when you get caught up in a 'I love Lucy' marathon on TVland.

sorry...

The problem with physician-assisted suicide is that too many physicians exist who do not know how to treat pain and these physicians know little or nothing about administering narcotics. So instead of helping the terminally ill and others suffering with unbearable pain, these physicians just have a fast, easy answer, a fast and easy answer for themselves that is.

Yes hummbird you guys are indeed the new "Cool State" I'm very proud and happy that yall (yes I'm a proud Southern) passed that marilaw. I was hoping that Florida would do it first because we have always considered ourselves the cool state. This morning though I happily pass the crown to Colorado. Congrats!

We are cool here in Colo. We all have GoPros on our foreheads and stream live to web 24/7. It's great! Even better now that we got rid of the mandatory tattoos and face metal. But I hear, by law, we all have to learn guitar now.... I'm just afraid we might be witnessing a shift from cool to hip. Yuck!

I live in Mississippi. Backwards States like mine still have dry counties. I wish the State would finally end alcohol prohibition. About 20 counties in MS including mine are "dry". Even a can of beer is illegal and no one can own a liquor store.

Congratulations - Free the weed and free the grape!

Been there, NOT done that. Sucks, don't it. Luckily just passing thru.

In the long run, it will be found that those against the use free choice of the use of safe substances have a mental problem about other people having a good time.

Yeah, it's kinda like abortion. If you don't believe in it don't get one. If you don't like pot, don't smoke it.

Alright but let me make an appeal for some courtesy. Your right ends at my body. I don't want second hand smoke every time I open the window. (Yes I ask the same of tobacco smokers.)

Pragmatic-3918582: Do you put the same conditions on Coal factories? The auto industry? How about the flatulent bovines? The problem with the idea that your right ends at my body is that it doesn't. How about you focus on what you actually do have control over and don't sweat the rest.

TampaBob,

I just ask for a little common sense and courtesy, not a bullet-proof ideology. Using alcohol as an example, I'm not forced to get drunk just because the guy sitting next to me decided he wanted to get drunk. But I am forced to get high if the guy next to me decides he wants to be high unless he either takes it someplace else or I take myself someplace else. If I'm sitting in my home with the window open, the most I can do is close the window and suffer whatever condition caused me to open the window in the first place. That bites.

Well said, TampaBob :)

...well said.

Just because you don't get second hand drunk doesn't mean the drunk next to you doesn't disrupt your life and cause you to move. Because of anti-smoking laws you won't be bothered by it anymore then you are now by smokers. So unless your planning on hanging out in a lot of hash bars...

Brian, I have bothered by it and it's not even been legal. Some summer nights it gets too stuffy in my condo and I just want to open a window. Then somebody else decided to light up a joint. I can either: A) Ask the person to stop, B) Deal with the smoke (and subject my baby to it), C) Close the window and deal with the heat, or D) be a narc. A is the only option I like and it isn't particularly effective in my experience.

I have lived in more places than many. I lived for a while, in apartments during the southern humid summers. This idea that smoke permeates an apartment from another apartment is just disinformation. It is up there with the idea that everyone should paint their homes or landscape exactly the same. It is a statement made when someone just wants to gripe.

TampaBob--so you're okay with FORCING others to smell your marijuana smoke and FORCING them to get high? You're an ass. You have no consideration for others feelings at all.

and what about those who don't smoke the herb and still partakes in it? those who have other means of ingesting it? you will still say you have a problem with them cuz it's been a problem for you somewhere down there in the past, right? you're just cherry-picking your argument, nowhere in any of your ancedotes do you mention tobacco smoke...and you mean to tell us your biggest problem around you is the "smell" of marijuana?

The medical industry was against the legalization measure in Cali two years ago. Kinda easy to see why, they have a corner on the market and don't want to let it go.

Yeah, the largest percentage against the California measure was Humbolt County. That's greed and hypocrisy at it's best.

All of you conservatives that are worried that pot turns people into generous, mellow hippies that don't subscribe to your ultra-capitalistic agenda, think again!

They can even make diesel fuel from marijuana.

But it's not very economically viable.

Good enough for a commune of greedy mellow hippies though. LOL. They shouldn't oppose it. They are in the best position to capitalize on it. They just have to hire some non-smoker, business types who can write a business plan without sparking up. Evil, I know...but... Of course this is probably not going to work for people growing illegally on federal land.

Not economically viable? Anyone who wonders about that must read The Emperor Wears No Clothes: The Authoritative History . . . of cannabis . . . Learn before you speak.

Excellent read... Everyone should read that book. Pragmatic you are not just wrong about economic viabiality that it provides you make yourself sound really ignorant by people who consume herb...are you smoking crack or something?? Do you really know how wrong and how ignorant you sound. Do you know the very technology you are writing on and the people who created it and help this country become a technological superior superpower smoked herb. Do you not know people like Steve Jobs and Bill gates smoked herb. They worked from a garage and created technologies you use everyday?? What if they never got to reach that potential because they got caught consuming herb and were put in a cage for the rest of their life?? Would you be on here or I writing?? They were also job creators.. Why are you using a potheads technology??? You are a hipocrit.

come on now. you can build an entire house from cannabis. you can make particle boards from its wooden hurds, make carpets from its fibers, make PVC pipes with its cellouse, as well as power that house entirely from cannabis by converting all power plants to burn charcoaled cannabis instead of coal. and all that isn't even economically viable? have you seen the latest world census?

Yeah, Holder isn't the brightest bulb in the chandolier, that's for sure, or the economists or judges who jail ppl on simple possession charges, and when a murderer is caught,....OOPS....no room in the Inn, but somehow they're all convinced the world is a safer place. From what? A raid at 7/11 for Slurpies and doughnuts? lol

Can I get a show of hands? How many people dont smoke now that would start if it were legal?