Obama, Romney cap election eve with rallies in states that launched them

 

Updated 11:27 a.m. - President Barack Obama and Republican nominee Mitt Romney returned Monday evening to the states that launched their respective bids for the presidency, wrapping their campaigning ahead of Election Day. 

Joined by their spouses, Obama returned to Iowa -- where he won the 2008 caucuses -- and Romney stopped in New Hampshire -- where he won the primary at the beginning of this year -- to bring to an end their long, hard battle over whom Americans would select as their president for the next four years. 

"I've come back to Iowa one more time to ask for your vote," a visibly emotional Obama told a crowd near his first campaign office in Des Moines. "Because this is where our movement for change began. Right here."

"It's out of my hands now," he said. "It's up to you."

Emmanuel Dunand / AFP - Getty Images

Mitt Romney holds a rally at Orlando Sanford international airport in Orlando, Fla., Nov. 5, 2012.

Both Obama and Romney seemed to drink in the adulation of their supporters in the closing hours of the campaign, before voters would take to the polls in fewer than 12 hours to render their verdict on the election.

"This is a special moment for Ann and for me, because this is where our campaign began," Romney said to a crowd in New Hampshire. "Your primary vote put me on the path to win the Republican nomination, and tomorrow your votes and your work here in New Hampshire will help me become the next president of the United States."

The stops mostly concluded the campaigning of the 2012 election. Romney was set to make stops Tuesday in Cleveland and Pittsburgh, and Republican vice presidential nominee would also stop in Cleveland and Richmond. Those stops, though, were billed as less formal than the giant, raucous rallies that have dominated the candidates' schedules in the closing days of the campaign.

Obama and Romney capped what was a "barnburner" final day of campaigning, as he and Romney hop-scotched across the country to make stops in the states on which they're relying tomorrow.

Ryan launches campaign 'barnburner' in Obama-leaning Nevada

So far, more than 4.5 million Floridians have already voted, sometimes after waiting in hours-long lines. NBC's Mark Potter reports.

Romney made a four-state tour through Florida, Virginia and Ohio – states that are critical to his hopes of becoming president – before concluding in New Hampshire, the cornerstone of Romney’s victory in the GOP presidential primary earlier this year, and the state neighboring Massachusetts, where Romney served as governor and his campaign is now headquartered.

Both sides agree, winning Colorado could be key. A recent NBC/WSJ/Marist poll had the race tied at 48 percent each. NBC's Mike Taibbi reports.

The president spent the day visiting Wisconsin, Iowa and Ohio -- the states composing his Midwestern "firewall," where he's sought to build an advantage over Romney.

Their schedules, coming on the heels of a jam-packed weekend of campaigning across the country by both the candidates and their surrogates, was nothing short of a “barnburner,” as Ryan put it at first rally of the day, in Nevada.

“We're doing a barnburner today,” Ryan said in the state, which is seen as leaning toward Obama in NBC News’ battleground map. “We are crisscrossing the country – Mitt and I are because we are asking you to work with us, to stand with us to get our country back on the right track.”

Both Obama and Romney stuck to well-worn scripts that they had used throughout the frenetic final days of the campaign. The candidates at times seemed to acknowledge that much of the campaign’s outcome might be out of their hands, pleading with supporters to sway a winnowing number of swing voters over to their cause.

How will the Hispanic vote and the white vote impact the presidential election? What about older voters and younger voters? How much of an impact will Hurricane Sandy have on voting? NBC News' Chuck Todd and Time's Mike Murphy join a conversation on the issue.

“Your voices are being heard all over the nation loud and clear, thank you,” Romney said in Virginia. “I also want to thank many of you in this crowd that have been out there working on the campaign – making calls from the victory centers, and by putting up a yard sign, in your neighbor’s yard and maybe convincing a coworker to vote for Paul Ryan and me.”

Obama kicked off his first rally of the day with rocker Bruce Springsteen, who would hitch a ride with the president to Columbus for an afternoon rally, which was also to feature rapper Jay-Z.

"I get to fly around with him on the last day I'll ever campaign, so that's not a bad way to end things," he said of Springsteen, who will accompany Obama to Columbus, Ohio, on Air Force One.

The state with 13 electoral votes could go either way in this election, and may play a critical role in determining not only the next president, but also which party will control the U.S. Senate. NBC's Tom Costello reports.

Both Obama and Romney’s schedules, though, sent a powerful signal about their fundamental strategy for Election Day.

The states Romney is visiting, for instance, are virtually essential for his hopes come Tuesday. Failing to win Florida, for instance, would force Romney to have to win every single other remaining battleground state.

Obama’s stops, meanwhile, suggested attentiveness to his so-called “firewall,” which Republicans have argued is cracking amid surging Republican enthusiasm in battleground states.

Reuters, Getty Images

Campaigning with Mitt Romney and Barack Obama, voting and election results.

Vice President Joe Biden, during a stop at a cafe in Sterling, Va., predicted the bloc would hold.

“I think we’ll win Ohio, I think we’ll win Wisconsin, I think we’ll win Iowa. I think we’ll win Nevada, I think we’ll win new Hampshire,” he told reporters. He added that Florida would be “close,” but said he thought “have a real shot of winning” the Sunshine State.

As they made their final arguments to sprawling crowds throughout the day, both Romney and Obama got an assist from additional superstars who entertained audiences before rallies had begun.

Larry Downing / Reuters

Supporters hold a sign as President Barack Obama speaks at a campaign event at Fifth Third Arena at the University of Cincinnati, Nov. 4, 2012.

Obama was traveling with Springsteen and Jay-Z on Monday, but Katy Perry and John Mellencamp had played before other Obama audiences over the weekend. Romney’s rally on Monday in Ohio was also slated to feature the Marshall Tucker Band.

Both Springsteen and Jay Z each did special songs for the Obama campaign, in Jay Z's case, changing an epithet in one of his songs to reference Romney instead.

"If you're having world problems, I feel bad for you son," he said, "I got 99 problems, but Mitt ain't one."

In the past six presidential elections, Wisconsin has been reliably blue – but this year, thanks to Wisconsin Congressman Paul Ryan, the race is much tighter. NBC's Ron Mott reports.

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Remember, the next President could be picking Supreme court justices!

The Conservatives gave us George Bush in 2000, a total disaster.

Then "Citizen's United" polluting the political process with big money donors that remain anonymous!

Every extremist starts out as a conservative...

Obama/Biden tomorrow!!!

  • 2 votes
Reply#560 - Mon Nov 5, 2012 8:56 PM EST

America's Leader and Our Future:

Romney - Business man

Romney - Business Leader

Romney - Business Smart

Romney - Good Family man

Romney - Knows how to create Jobs

Romney - Will put people back to work.

Romney - Will repeal Obama care

Romney Plan - Will get America back in the right direction, by cutting taxes,
creating jobs and cleaning out the lying fraud in the WH.

Romney – someone America can trust.

  • 1 vote
Reply#561 - Mon Nov 5, 2012 8:56 PM EST

theres my stupid two cents Mitt wins OH, NH, FL & VA. that puts him at 270. That could happen by 10:45 PM. Then we all go to bed early.

  • 4 votes
Reply#562 - Mon Nov 5, 2012 8:57 PM EST

Mitty Pity Party in 22 hours! Jimmy, you're invited! BYOB! See you here!

  • 4 votes
#562.1 - Mon Nov 5, 2012 8:59 PM EST

DREAMING isn't real!

OBAMA 2012 is real!

  • 5 votes
#562.2 - Mon Nov 5, 2012 8:59 PM EST

You got the "stupid" part right.

  • 1 vote
#562.3 - Mon Nov 5, 2012 9:01 PM EST

Obama will take Ohio, NH, Iowa, and Wisconsin. That means, Obama wins, and RobMe and Reject... well.. Unemployment has done well for Romney

  • 2 votes
#562.4 - Mon Nov 5, 2012 9:02 PM EST

This from a genius who looks forward to riots.

    #562.5 - Tue Nov 6, 2012 12:47 AM EST
    Reply

    Liberal...Liar...Coward...Corrupt...No Character?

    Shortly after Bill Clinton was re-elected in 1996, the news broke of his sexual encounters in the White House with Monica Lewinsky, and much of the next couple years were tied up in his lies, cover-ups and eventual confession of lying to America about his Oval office experiences with her.

    The cover-up, corruption and impeachment were a black eye to our country.

    It now appears with another pending election, the current President, Barack Obama, is sitting on yet another corrupt administration and cover-up.

    We don't want to spend the next two years in a very bad O-conomy with our president trying to explain misleading Americans and the continued corruption that's been coming out.

    He did not respond to our Ambassador and citizens being attacked and murdered. The President stood by and did nothing.

    Barack, perhaps Hillary and Paneta will likely face trials for turning their backs on our own.

    (D) Doubt, Debt, Decline, Deception, Dishonest

    • 1 vote
    Reply#563 - Mon Nov 5, 2012 8:57 PM EST

    Winner - Obama! deal with it.

    • 1 vote
    #563.1 - Mon Nov 5, 2012 9:00 PM EST
    Reply

    If Obama loses will we see riots?

    • 2 votes
    Reply#564 - Mon Nov 5, 2012 8:57 PM EST

    I think we may have quite a few Obamabots jumping off bridges and buildings come Wednesday when the Obama's get their eviction notice. All you Conservatives who happen to know an Obamabot need to be alert and sympathetic toward these folks who are wearing Obama colored glasses. The country is going to do the right thing and make Mitt Romney the president. Tell them it is okay to work and make a living and support their families.

    • 1 vote
    Reply#565 - Mon Nov 5, 2012 8:57 PM EST

    “I am running for president because I know that my policies and vision will help hundreds of millions of middle class Americans of all races, will lift people from poverty, and will help prevent people from becoming poor. My campaign is about helping the people who need help."

    "The course the President has set has not done that – and will not do that. My course will.”

    Mitt Romney 2012

    • 1 vote
    Reply#566 - Mon Nov 5, 2012 8:58 PM EST

    riots would be kinda of cool as long as they don't hit the suburbs.

      Reply#567 - Mon Nov 5, 2012 8:58 PM EST

      One way to create employment by having to rebuild the inner cities.

        #567.1 - Mon Nov 5, 2012 9:01 PM EST
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        Romney/Ryan are so stupid their bosses have told them they are not allowed to answer any questions from reporters. Pathetic. Not intelligent enough to handle reporters and they want these 2 clowns to run this great country.Laughable and pathetic.

        • 2 votes
        Reply#568 - Mon Nov 5, 2012 8:58 PM EST

        Just saw 4 Mittens/Liar smear ads in a row while watching Wheel-of-Fortune in Pittsburgh. Serious desperation!

        They even brought Pat Boone out of his coffin for a spot..... Very pathetic.

        • 2 votes
        Reply#569 - Mon Nov 5, 2012 8:58 PM EST

        Pittsburgh is Romney Country!

        • 1 vote
        #569.1 - Mon Nov 5, 2012 8:59 PM EST

        dude that's nothing. my cable box went down for 2 days. could only get local channels. I watched at least 200 stupid obama and romney commercials. my dvr has been getting a work out.

          #569.2 - Mon Nov 5, 2012 9:01 PM EST

          It not anything Romney and it's not country!

          Rock the vote bitches!

          • 1 vote
          #569.3 - Mon Nov 5, 2012 9:02 PM EST

          I was there on Friday....and who you kidding?

          Obama/Casey not looking good in Steel Town

            #569.4 - Mon Nov 5, 2012 9:05 PM EST

            Andy, the Steeler Nation doesn't allow spineless deadbeats like you - grow up, get a job, and move out of your mom's house. Even the Hill District is voting for Romney this time!

              #569.5 - Mon Nov 5, 2012 9:05 PM EST
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              “If equal opportunity in America were an accomplished fact, black families could send their sons and daughters to public schools that truly offer the hope of a better life. Instead, for generations, the African-American community has been waiting and waiting for that promise to be kept. Today, black children are 17 percent of students nationwide – but they are 42 percent of the students in our worst-performing schools."

              Mitt Romney July 11, 2012

              Seriously....what has Barack been doing for our people....

              • 2 votes
              Reply#570 - Mon Nov 5, 2012 8:59 PM EST

              Winning this election.

              • 1 vote
              #570.1 - Mon Nov 5, 2012 9:03 PM EST
              Reply

              Embassies in flames, Americans killed in terrorist attack
              and Obama goes to Vegas?

              America knows when it stands on Nov. 6, 2012.

              Romney/Ryan

              • 2 votes
              Reply#571 - Mon Nov 5, 2012 8:59 PM EST

              who else would like to see some riots tuesday night?

                Reply#572 - Mon Nov 5, 2012 8:59 PM EST

                Pass the popcorn buddy!

                • 1 vote
                #572.1 - Mon Nov 5, 2012 9:01 PM EST

                There won't be any riots... that's what the GOP would like to see happen, but it won't

                • 3 votes
                #572.2 - Mon Nov 5, 2012 9:01 PM EST

                Count me in. I'm sick of this Democon propagenda. Time to see who can fight.

                  #572.3 - Mon Nov 5, 2012 9:02 PM EST

                  jerry popcorn with lot's of butter. no better snack to watch a riot.

                    #572.4 - Mon Nov 5, 2012 9:03 PM EST

                    urban i'm a 52 year old slightly overweight white guy. but i'll be rooting for you partner. now get out these and punch someone in the face.

                      #572.5 - Mon Nov 5, 2012 9:05 PM EST

                      If Romney wins there will be riots....

                        #572.6 - Mon Nov 5, 2012 9:06 PM EST
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                        Chris Matthews said he has that tingle moving up hisgaybladecock. That means Obama loses.

                          Reply#573 - Mon Nov 5, 2012 9:00 PM EST

                          For two men (Robme and Reject) who claim to be so against homosexuals they sure are hateful towards women's vaginas :)

                          • 2 votes
                          #573.1 - Mon Nov 5, 2012 9:04 PM EST

                          Come on its about time there is no bad vagina and every real man knows that.

                            #573.2 - Mon Nov 5, 2012 9:06 PM EST

                            Republicans like womens vaginas...dems don't...they are always wanting to stick knives and shop vac hoses up womens vaginas to suck out babies.

                              #573.3 - Mon Nov 5, 2012 9:08 PM EST

                              And Obama is out campaining with a guy that calls women Hoes...Jay zee

                              • 1 vote
                              #573.4 - Mon Nov 5, 2012 9:09 PM EST
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                              EMPTY CHAIR IS DESPERADO!.... WHY? He has to get JZ, Bruce Springtine and Clinton to help???? One more point, see for yourself America.. Sandy is Obama Katrina = UNDER PREPARED = sad to see so many are suffering. EMPTY CHAIR, EMPTY PROMISES, EMPTY PERFORMANCES and EMPTY TRANSPARENCY = last day for him.

                              • 1 vote
                              Reply#574 - Mon Nov 5, 2012 9:02 PM EST

                              Whatever country controls energy (namely oil) has the world reserve currency. That's the one and only reason that Romney is better than Obama. Romney will push for massive petroleum development and Obama, being a total socialist and having an ardent desire to bring the US down to the level of the third world, will insure that doesn't happen.

                              A vote for Romney is different from a vote for Obama in one and only one way. Romney will be able to create another boom for the USA, because we'll get cheap energy, again. A vote for Obama will insure the USA crashes and burns... maybe literally.

                              • 2 votes
                              Reply#575 - Mon Nov 5, 2012 9:02 PM EST
                              • The Dirty Little Secret Behind Obamacare

                              Millions of jobs across the country will be lost or saved by the vote and outcome of this election....

                              Companies have plans for either direction and an Obama re-election means significant employee reductions...and reductions in employee hours to part time status....it becomes your responsibility to pay or pay the fine...

                              Not fear, not speculation...just the truth folks

                              A Romney win sends the Dow and the economy forward in a very positive manner

                              • 2 votes
                              Reply#576 - Mon Nov 5, 2012 9:03 PM EST

                              Obamacare, modeled after Romneycare, is a Republican idea, hatched from within a conservative think tank.

                              It isn't going anywhere, but rather, is the law of the land. And we have Barack Obama, Mitt Romney, and Republicans to thank.

                              You right wingers never cease to amaze the rest of us with your profound ignorance. Why are you so hell bent against something your own party conceived?

                              Obama/Biden 2012

                                #576.1 - Mon Nov 5, 2012 9:07 PM EST

                                Rachel Maddow....? Seriously?

                                  #576.2 - Mon Nov 5, 2012 9:12 PM EST
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                                    Reply#577 - Mon Nov 5, 2012 9:03 PM EST

                                    If Redskins lose the week of election, the incumbent party loses (since 1940!).

                                    RGIII. Was not a fan, but now I am. Really smart QB.

                                      Reply#578 - Mon Nov 5, 2012 9:03 PM EST

                                      To the freedom-loving Americans in Ohio, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Iowa, Colorado, Minnesota, New Hampshire, Virginia, North Carolina, Nevada, and Florida: Please do not let the liberals in New York, New England, and California force all of us to endure another four years of Obama's failed policies. We have the opportunity to elect a truly qualified, competent, and hard-working president in Mitt Romney. Please vote for Mitt Romney on Tuesday. Help us make history. Please help us start America back on the path to prosperity. Your future and your children's future will be brighter.

                                      • 6 votes
                                      Reply#579 - Mon Nov 5, 2012 9:03 PM EST

                                      Well said...

                                      • 1 vote
                                      #579.1 - Mon Nov 5, 2012 9:05 PM EST

                                      No.

                                      Stay the course. Your man is a whackO in magic underwear and secret decoding glasses.

                                      • 1 vote
                                      #579.2 - Mon Nov 5, 2012 9:07 PM EST

                                      But, but Skipper....there's a storm heading our way!!!

                                      (D) Debt, Doubt and Decline.....Suck....just sayin'

                                        #579.3 - Mon Nov 5, 2012 9:10 PM EST

                                        Well Sarah, apparently those liberals of New England voted for a governor named Mitt Romney who got passed a health care insurance mandate that he considered to be his biggest accomplishment. Health insurance costs in Massachusetts have gone down as a result of it. I'm sorry that you would prefer allowing freeloading in our health insurance market, putting the burden on hardworking people who pay health insurance premiums to support the care of those who don't want to pay. I'm sorry you don't like Barack Obama's policies of treating the health insurance industry as the oligopoly it is, rather than a free market, which it isn't, passing financial regulatory reforms to avoid bank bailouts in the future and help foster a free market by giving consumers a chance to accurately decide on which mortgage or loan to take. I'm sorry that you don't like that General Motors is on it's feet. I'm sorry that you don't like that Obama got us out of Iraq and focused on our Muslim extremist enemies and killed Osama Bin Laden. I'm sorry you want to put this country more into debt by agreeing with Romney's tax plans that he can't say how it wouldn't raise our debt. He can't name one specific way of paying for it. I'm sorry you want to vote for a man whose father ran for US president even though he was from another country. I'm sorry that you believe that drilling for oil despite increasing world demand and ever soaring prices is the way to solve our energy problems. I'm sorry you think that a GOP Congress that obstructed in every direction despite the country needing leadership

                                        • 1 vote
                                        #579.4 - Mon Nov 5, 2012 9:10 PM EST

                                        To the freedom loving Americans around this country. Do not let the GOP conservative righties led by the Christian Taliban take us back 100 years. We understand that righties feel they have the need and ability to dicate who we can marry, what our religion should be, what women can and cannot do with their bodies (legitimate rape is un-acceptable), and what our family relationships should be.

                                        Stand and recognize that the GOP Socialist Agenda of redistribution of wealth from the lower/middle class to the rich and corporations is what got us in this mess in the first place.

                                        We know you have been entertained by the major flip flopper and draft dodger, but tomorrow, you can erase that chance. OBL is dead, the biggest threat to america is gone. Vote for Obama/Biden and save us from our next big threat. Robme and Ryan.

                                        Obama/Biden 2012.

                                        • 2 votes
                                        #579.5 - Mon Nov 5, 2012 9:11 PM EST

                                        Sorry Sarah, but Mitt Romney is a serial liar who has flip-flopped on every issue imaginable, most recently when he reversed on his opinion on whether FEMA is a federal disaster relief agency worthy of preservation.

                                        I cannot fathom how even conservatives can stomach this weasel considering his history of waffling. Does this man ever stand for anything???"

                                        America is NOT going back to the party that got us in this awful mess, but Obama has done an admirable job under trying circumstances trying to fix it all. He has earned a second term and this northeast liberal is too happy to help make it happen.

                                        God bless this great nation and our fine president.

                                        Four more years!

                                        • 1 vote
                                        #579.6 - Mon Nov 5, 2012 9:12 PM EST

                                        Obama got Bin Laden....bwahahahahahahahaha

                                        And Ronald freakin McDonald made my hamburger.

                                          #579.7 - Mon Nov 5, 2012 9:13 PM EST

                                          rosieodonnellsmoustache

                                          Article 1 - Who is Commander and Chief of the United States Armed Forces: President Obama.

                                          Article 1 - Who gave the order for our navy seals to get OBL: President Obama.

                                          Does the United States Constitution mean anything to you? Or are you to busy eating your Romney McHappy meal:

                                          I ordered this, no I really wanted to order this, I think I will order that, 1 week later, I didn't order that.

                                          P.S. OBL personally called BUSH from the situation room to thank his entire administration for take OBL out. I would say, this is an AMERICAN VICTORY, but it was done during President Obama's Administration, and its purely LEGAL and FACTUAL.

                                          • 1 vote
                                          #579.8 - Mon Nov 5, 2012 9:15 PM EST

                                          And who left 4 American's to die in Libya terrorist attack and then lies to America & The World.. Still lying..

                                          OBAMA, Obama,

                                          OBAMA, Obama

                                          OBAMA, Obama

                                          OBAMA, Obama

                                          That's why America will vote Romney/Ryan on Nov. 6, 2012.

                                          America can't trust Obama the liar in the WH.

                                          • 1 vote
                                          #579.9 - Mon Nov 5, 2012 9:51 PM EST

                                          New York Guy

                                          your confussed. Obama is one of the Muslim extremist that America will get rid of on Nov. 6, 2012.

                                            #579.10 - Mon Nov 5, 2012 9:53 PM EST

                                            Sarah-3152994

                                            Right on.. America take another 4 years of Socialism..

                                              #579.11 - Mon Nov 5, 2012 9:55 PM EST
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                                              And you're going to vote for a guy who has failed his term, and not lived up to HIS promises.

                                              Great logic there...

                                                Reply#580 - Mon Nov 5, 2012 9:04 PM EST

                                                Is that why the GOP wouldn't give the nomination for RobMe on a second term in Mass? :) Thanks for pointing that out.

                                                I agree, President Obama did not fulfill all of his campaign promises. However, he filled enough of them and deserves 4 more years to fix the mess that BUSH got us into.

                                                UNTIL CONGRESS does their job, we are all going to suffer much longer than we should have too. THEY are the ones who control the real fate of this nation.

                                                • 1 vote
                                                #580.1 - Mon Nov 5, 2012 9:13 PM EST

                                                Never mentioned Mitt. I'm talking about our POTUS who has failed, but yet everyone is avoiding that and tearing the right.

                                                Although I do like your touché!

                                                  #580.2 - Mon Nov 5, 2012 9:14 PM EST
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                                                  The right wing nut jobs should start rehearsing their excuses for an Obama victory. Like Acorn vote fraud. Of course, Acorn no longer exists, but they'll blame it anyway.

                                                    Reply#581 - Mon Nov 5, 2012 9:05 PM EST

                                                    Of course Acorn does not exist...another one of Obama's failed community organization projects.

                                                      #581.1 - Mon Nov 5, 2012 9:12 PM EST
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                                                      Roadkill

                                                      GOP History: The Great Bush created the world in Jan. 2009. The great Muslim Kenyan reigned from then until 2016. Thereafter, the money flowed and people were happy. Truly a sad time.

                                                      dr821

                                                      Yea, so the money flowed to our creditors because the Muslim Kenyan "antichrist" had no clue on how to protect a western civilizations assets. He only new of revenge! And the people were happy until the money ran out! End of story

                                                        Reply#582 - Mon Nov 5, 2012 9:07 PM EST

                                                        Was the Great Bush the oil war guy? Or the 9-11 watchdog?

                                                          #582.1 - Mon Nov 5, 2012 9:09 PM EST

                                                          Knock off the Trump Kenyan crap,Birther ...

                                                            #582.2 - Mon Nov 5, 2012 9:09 PM EST
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                                                              Reply#583 - Mon Nov 5, 2012 9:08 PM EST

                                                              "There's never been a day in the last four years I've been proud to be his VP."

                                                              Vice President Joe Biden in Wisconsin on Friday Nov 2, 2012

                                                              It's almost over Joe....the nightmare ends...

                                                              • 2 votes
                                                              Reply#584 - Mon Nov 5, 2012 9:08 PM EST
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