Will Election Day be a 'perfect storm?' Four nightmare scenarios for what could go wrong

By 2 p.m. on Monday all of Ohio's early voters had cast their ballots, with some people showing up in below-freezing temperatures to secure their place in line. NBC's John Yang reports from Cincinnati, Ohio.

With more than 90 million Americans expected to cast their ballots on Tuesday, election officials across the country are bracing for what some  fear will be a “perfect storm” of Election Day problems that could result in tense confrontations at polling stations and a rush to the courthouse to file legal challenges. 

The list of actual and potential problems is unusually long this year, ranging from concerns about machine failures to confusion over new rules governing voter ID and provisional ballots.

Another big wild card: the impact of groups such as “True the Vote,” a Tea Party off-shoot, that is vowing to swarm polling places with an army of hundreds of thousands of  “citizen” poll watchers to look for fraud and challenge ineligible voters.


It’s a threat that civil rights groups are vowing to fight with their own rival armies of poll watchers -- to “monitor the monitors,” says one activist.

In Florida, voters cried out in frustration as polling stations became overwhelmed, and the Democratic Party had sued to extend early voting after some people were stuck on lines for hours trying to meet Saturday's deadline. NBC's Michael Isikoff reports.

“Our election system has probably never been under as much strain as it is right now -- anything that can go wrong, probably will go wrong,” said Victoria Bassetti, a former Senate Judiciary Committee counsel and the author of the new book, “Electoral Dysfunction: A Survival Manual for American Voters.”

Bassetti notes that the camps backing both President Barack Obama and Republican nominee Mitt Romney have pre-positioned their legal assets” by deploying thousands of volunteer lawyers to battleground states in order to challenge decisions by election supervisors, in court if necessary.

In Florida, the litigation is already heating up. On Sunday, the Florida Democratic Party filed emergency lawsuits to extend early voting -- challenging  GOP governor Rick Scott’s refusal to do so -- after some voters were stuck in lines for up to six hours trying to meet Saturday’s deadline for early ballots. When the Miami Dade election office reopened to allow in-person absentee balloting, and then temporarily shut it down, frustrated voters started shouting, “Let Us Vote! Let Us Vote!”--  stirred up by a man wearing an Obama campaign tee shirt.

It could be a preview of what happens Tuesday. “We can expect lots of yelling and screaming- and lawsuits,” said Bassetti.

The upshot is that, if the voting is as close as some (but not all) polls suggest, the winner of the presidential election may not be known for days, if not weeks, after Election Day. “We’re going to be  in sudden death overtime,” predicts John Fund, a former Wall Street Journal editorial writer and the co-author of “Who’s Counting: How Fraudsters and Bureaucrats Put Your Vote at Risk.”

To be sure, disputes about voting are hardly new -- and some of the potential problems most frequently cited by advocates on both sides of the political fence could prove to be overblown.

But experts interviewed by NBC News identified a number of so-called “nightmare scenarios” that could complicate the counting of returns on Tuesday.

Here’s a look at four of those scenarios:

1) The national vote count for president is thrown into doubt because of the impact of Hurricane Sandy.

The devastation wrought by Hurricane Sandy in the Northeast appears likely to hold down vote totals in the region. In New Jersey, hundreds of polling stations may be without power -- late last week nearly half of the 240 locations in Hudson County were out of commission and officials are scrambling to find alternatives.

On Saturday, Gov. Chris Christie’s administration announced that it will allow voters to download ballots off a state Website and return them by e-mail -- a system that some experts have warned could lead to tampering by hackers. (A voting group called the Verified Voting Foundation has repeatedly warned about the security risks from Internet voting.) 

On Thursday, the state’s lieutenant governor, Kim Guardagno, said the state will deploy Defense Department trucks with “Vote Here” signs, protected by National Guard members. But that plan prompted concerns among some Democrats that military trucks could intimidate voters, especially in minority neighborhoods, and there were signs over the weekend that officials may be backing away from it.  

“Obviously, this is uncharted water for us -- getting hit with this at this late date just before a huge election,” said Michael Harper, the clerk of elections in New Jersey’s Hudson County, during a tour of damaged and flooded polling stations on Saturday.

While the hardest hit states like New Jersey, New York, and Connecticut are all considered reliably Democratic and safely in the Obama column, the aftermath of the hurricane could affect the president’s total national vote counts -- and raise questions about his mandate or even legitimacy if he loses the popular vote but wins the Electoral College (just as some Democrats questioned President George W. Bush’s legitimacy after he lost the popular vote in 2000.)

2) A large number of provisional ballots makes the Electoral College winner impossible to determine on election night.

The situation appears most acute in Ohio, a crucial battleground, where some experts have warned about a counting disaster stemming from what are expected to be as many as 200,000 provisional ballots.

The background: in an effort to impose uniformity, GOP Secretary  of State Jon Husted over the summer directed that absentee ballot applications be mailed out to all of the state’s 6.9 million registered voters -- regardless of whether they had asked for them or not.

About 1.3 million voters filled out those applications and received absentee ballots in the mail. But as of this weekend, 238,678 voters who got absentee ballots had not returned them. If those voters don’t return their ballots by mail by tomorrow and try to go to the polls on Tuesday instead, they along with others whose eligibility could be questioned or who show up at the wrong polling station, will have to cast provisional ballots to make sure they haven’t vote twice.  And under Ohio law, those ballots can’t even be counted until Nov. 16, ten days after Election Day.

“There’s a realistic chance that we will not know which candidate won the presidential election in Ohio because of the existence of provisional ballots, that we will be in overtime,” said Edward Foley, an election law expert and professor of law at Ohio State University.

The issue intensified on Friday when Husted issued a new directive that puts the burden on voters, rather than poll workers, to properly fill out a form recording what ID was presented for provisional ballots -- and instructing election boards to throw out provisional ballots if the forms are incomplete or contain any mistakes. The directive has triggered a last minute law suit by voting rights groups, increasing the likelihood of disputes over the counting of provisional ballots in a pivotal battleground state.

3) Disputes over ballot printing errors, machine errors and a lack of paper trail could bog down the counting in other battleground states.

This problem has already arisen in Florida. About 27,000 absentee ballots in Palm Beach County, Florida -- famous for its “butterfly” ballots and hanging chads during the 2000 Florida recount -- can’t be read by voting machines because of a printing error. This forced election officials last week to begin the arduous process of hand-copying those ballots in order to feed them into the machines -- while lawyers from both sides looked on, raising challenges.

An exasperated Susan Bucher, the county’s election supervisor, was caught on camera admonishing lawyers over what she termed “frivolous” objections and threatening to eject them.

But questions about machine failures are far broader than that. Last week, lawyers for the Republican National Committee wrote letters to attorneys general in six states asking for investigations after receiving reports that some voters had complained that machines had recorded their votes for Mitt Romney as being for Obama.

Moreover, sixteen states -- including Virginia and Pennsylvania -- rely to some extent on touch screen voting machines that leave no paper trail that can be verified during a recount.

Two voting experts warned on Saturday “we risk catastrophe” if recounts are required in Virginia and Pennsylvania “because most of their votes will be cast on paperless voting machines that are impossible to recount.” 

4) Legions of citizen poll watchers on both sides create confusion and even chaos at some polling stations.

“True the Vote,” the Texas-based Tea Party inspired group, has launched an aggressive national effort to root out vote fraud, providing  training videos and  computer software (that contain data on property records and death indexes) to help volunteers identify ineligible voters who show up at the polls on Tuesday.

Hans Von Spakovsky, a former Federal Election Commissioner who serves as one of the group’s advisers, defends the effort, telling NBC News that in a close election “any bogus vote” needs to be stopped. “Anytime you have a close election, a small amount of fraud could make the difference.”

But voting rights groups say “True the Vote” and its affiliates threaten to intimidate legitimate voters -- a prospect they aim to combat with their own battalions of citizen poll watchers on Tuesday.

Judith Browne Dianas, co-director of the “Advancement Project,” a civil rights group, says her organization has lined up thousands of lawyers and poll watchers in 20 key states to look for “suspicious activity” by True the Vote and its affiliates. “We will also be watching the poll watchers making sure they aren’t acting as bullies,” she says.

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tell anybody that tries to obstruct to get out of your face you are here to vote

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#1 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 7:52 PM EST
Comment author avatarPigotryExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

4 more years...

Our democracy has worked pretty well ... the only times there is a problem with glitch betwen electoral and popular votes were 1824, 1888, and 2000 among a total of 56 elections.

Forward...

  • 83 votes
#1.1 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 7:54 PM EST
Comment author avatarguy-2789881Expand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

The biggest nightmare would be a Romney/Ryan win. How are they going to run this great Country when their bosses wont even allow them to talk to reporters. They are not intelligent enough to answer unscripted questions. Pathetic.

  • 188 votes
#1.2 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 7:56 PM EST

You can litigate even the most conscientious organization out of existence just through nuisance lawsuits. It doesn't matter if the plaintiff has a case or not, just bringing it is sometimes enough.

  • 24 votes
#1.3 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 7:58 PM EST
MSNBCMFEDeleted

To the ariters of this article -

You worry too much... confront the problems when they arise..don't count the chickens before they are hatched.

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A former president once said..that...there may be 10 problems coming to any president..before the president has to deal with them, 6 to 8 of them might have taken care of themselves. A few other remaining problems might just disappear...when they actually reach the president, only a couple of them remain to be dealt with..Even then, we are the most powerful country in the world, the best democracy, no need to worry...our people have enough wisdom to take on any challenge.

  • 45 votes
#1.5 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 8:02 PM EST

After Tuesday, Nate Who?

  • 11 votes
#1.6 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 8:12 PM EST
Comment author avatarjims-2041711Expand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

enough people have died and suffered under communism through the years. it's time to end that now. vote obama and his crew out on tues.

  • 127 votes
#1.7 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 8:22 PM EST
Comment author avatarLoyal BlairExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

Mr. Obama wants to lay off another 9 million people so he can keep HIS job. Nope. Lets fire Obama and hire the 9 million people who need jobs instead. If you need a job, dont vote for Obama..you wont get one.

  • 114 votes
#1.8 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 8:35 PM EST
Comment author avatarTicked off in OhioExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

Hamilton County Ohio is already in the bag for Republicans...

AS HAMILTON COUNTY GOES...SO GOES OHIO!!!

BYE BYE OBAMA!!!

and as usual...You know nothing clown faced fool!

  • 98 votes
#1.9 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 8:38 PM EST

jims:

Please define communism without googling..

  • 75 votes
#1.10 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 8:39 PM EST

Yes, Romney will get you a job..the military within a year.

  • 105 votes
#1.11 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 8:43 PM EST
Comment author avatarPaul-2539759Expand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

What country is it that the article is talking about? Surely it's not our U.S. of A. We have a democracy, voting is our right and privilege, they must be talking about some 3rd world country. This Country has gone to sh--.

STAND DOWN, AMERICA!! Surrender you sheep!

NObama 2012!!!

Obamanos!! Remember Obama's priorities citizenship to islam, the rest get back!! How many of your family members were bypassed to accommodate Hamas refugees? Viva La Raza!!

  • 70 votes
#1.12 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 8:57 PM EST
Comment author avatarDick-1345097Expand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

@guy2789881. And your guy can't talk even sensibly without a TelePrompter. Best to see if that puppet also has invisible strings attached like a Howdy Doody. He is both a lousy Lawyer, and a crooked Politician. I also wonder if Michelle will still be proud to be an American for the first time as she stated when her hubby was elected last time, if he looses this time? Oh and don't forget her statement, All This For A Flag. Need I say more.

  • 77 votes
#1.13 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 9:01 PM EST
Comment author avatarpjam09Expand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

Could anything be worse than if the societal leeches actually become numerous enough to keep Democrats in office and continue robbing from the future to fill their pockets today?

  • 73 votes
#1.14 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 9:05 PM EST
Comment author avatarRick-1103809Expand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

Actually, I think if an unauthorized person challenges a registered voter at a polling place, it's illegal and they will hopefully be arrested. Failing that, break their nose.... Sorry but I'm sick of these extreme right scumbags. Funny how the party of the wealthy is also the party of the ignorant. In fairness, the same happens on the dem side although the right is more militant and has more guns.

  • 94 votes
#1.15 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 9:05 PM EST
Comment author avatarTed 050247Expand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

Dick-stop spouting Republican hogwash propaganda. That stuff never happened, no matter how much Fox news whispers in your ear that it did. geez.

  • 88 votes
#1.16 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 9:07 PM EST

The idea of having electronic voting machines that keep no permanent record to allow for a recount is absolutely absurd. There should be a hard copy record of every vote to allow for a legitimate recount to be conducted. I can not believe that any state would allow the use of machines that do not allow for a recount to be conducted.

As for the issue regarding poll watchers, the democrats want to make sure that no organization interferes with their illegals voting. I personally witnessed one case in the last presidential election where a man came in to vote only to be told he had already voted. It seemed that someone else had come in earlier in the day claiming to be him and voted in his place. Since there was no way to determine who the fraudster had voted for, it means at least one illegitimate vote ended up being counted. The person was eventually allowed to cast a provisional ballot, but there is no guarantee that his vote was ever counted. I find it hard to believe that this was the only occurrence of someone voting in someone else's place. My guess is that the guy had accidentally been listed on some database as being dead so the fraudster figured it would never be caught. I think that this is a far bigger problem than anyone wants to admit. I firmly believe that there are organized efforts out there to give illegals the names of registered voters who have died recently so that they can go vote in those people's places. This is why we need to have a photo ID requirement for voting.

I think that the NJ decision to allow voting by e-mail was a huge mistake. This is open to massive fraud. There is absolutely no way to verify that the electronic ballot is not altered between the time it is sent by the voter and the time it is printed by election officials for counting. It is also extremely difficult to verify that the person submitting the ballot is who they claim to be and that they have the legal right to vote. Hackers could also flood the system with additional ballots to cause problems and attempt to manipulate the results. In addition, the process that they established eliminates the anonymity of the person's ballot so that poll workers can see who these people voted for. This is a huge mistake and may result in people not voting for fear that their vote may become public knowledge. Some people may legitimately fear negative consequences if their employer or some other person finds out who they voted for. This is why we have always had secret balloting in this country where no one knows who you voted for unless you tell them.

  • 70 votes
#1.17 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 9:10 PM EST
Comment author avatarDick-1345097Expand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

Ted-no one had to wisper in my ears. I read lips. Quit interesting what you can learn from out of ear shot.

  • 13 votes
#1.18 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 9:14 PM EST
Comment author avatarCandice-Expand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

JS in SD personally witnessed one case in the last presidential election where a man came in to vote only to be told he had already voted. It seemed that someone else had come in earlier in the day claiming to be him and voted in his place.

No, no, no. The Democrats (ie Backhouse, Navy and other regular progressives) swear there is never, ever an instance where this happens. Requiring an ID would have prevented that false vote and the resulting disenfranchised voter.

New Jersey allowing email voting? Will that be the solution for those without homes and without power????? I hope those folks had their lap tops safe and dry with incredibly long lasting batteries,....

  • 37 votes
#1.19 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 9:18 PM EST

Hamilton County normally goes Republican. In 2008, Obama won it when the staunch conservatives refused to support McCain. Yes, every Republican who wins in this county is pretty certain to win the state.

I haven't seen a final report on Ohio yet, but the last I heard Democrat participation off 230,000 and Repbulicans up 40,000 a couple of days ago. I also noted that a number of the counties that obama won in 2008 were lower than in 2008. I do notice that the early votes in most states are down. For the most part Democrats are the ones who do the most early voting, so I'm suspicious that the democrats are not going to turn out on Tuesday either.

Early voting in the US declined from 30% to 22% so far with just two more days figures to be added.

  • 24 votes
#1.20 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 9:19 PM EST
Comment author avatarItsSimple-3093757Expand Comment Comment collapsed by the community
  • For those Citizens who have waited in line for 5, 6, 8 hours to Vote Early - YOU ARE MY HEROES!
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  • Math once again will slap the GOP in the face on Tues and will cause their political demise.
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  • Since the GOP had made wide spread Voter Suppression attempts in many of the Swing States, Democrats mobilized like never before and have voted early - In HUGE numbers. Many have waited hours and hours to vote. Some waiting EIGHT HOURS in line in FLORIDA!
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  • On election day, supposedly Republicans prefer to vote on that day.
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  • HERE's THE MATH
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  • If the majority of early Voters are Democrats, taking several days to cast their votes. It it mathematically impossible for Republicans to make up those numbers in one day due to the long lines, especially when the races are so close. To match the Democrats, the Republicans would need to also vote over several days - you can only push so many people through the line per hour.
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  • Keep in mind that some lines for EARLY voting was up to EIGHT HOURS LONG. THE POLLS will close BEFORE people will get a chance to vote, when huge crowds bombard the polls on that day.
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  • As you can see, MATH will re-elect President Obama.
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  • Thank you GOP for ignoring MATH! And bring some snacks, a chair, and recharge your phone before you head to the polls. It's going to be a VERY long day. You might even be able to cast your vote too!
  • 59 votes
#1.21 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 9:28 PM EST
Comment author avatarPhantomBeastExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

This IS America, NOT some Banana Republic with chickens running wild in the voting place and Honchos running after them with machetes to get dinner. If/When the republicanCrimeCartel attempts voter fraud, obstructionism and misrepresentation, then it is time to call in the guard; America is a very violent nation whereas the next step would be pulling out the firearms and killing eachother. Would that surprise anyone??

  • 26 votes
#1.22 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 9:35 PM EST

That's not how the math goes. For early voting there are a few people running a polling station in a small office. On election day they open up many more polling stations at larger locations with more officials to help people. Election day voting also takes less time.

You also have the issue with the early voters that they finish waiting at one line, then get bused to another line to vote again and get another $20 for waiting in line for a few hours. So the legit early voters are all waiting on that crazy pay for voting that both parties do.

  • 11 votes
#1.23 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 9:43 PM EST

The biggest nightmare would be a Romney/Ryan win. How are they going to run this great Country when their bosses wont even allow them to talk to reporters. They are not intelligent enough to answer unscripted questions. Pathetic.

Lol, you do realize one of the complaints against the President is he almost never speaks in the traditional method of presidents, which is to address a room full of reporters and answer their questions. President Obama prefers to give scripted speeches, not off the cuff remarks. In other words, if talking to reporters is your criteria for voting, you cant vote for Obama.

  • 57 votes
#1.24 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 9:44 PM EST

Bottom line, Obama wins OR there will be lawsuits.

Folks, this will be a long, drawn-out process that Obama and the Democrats will make history, in their efforts to reverse the outcome.

They will refuse to accept defeat.

  • 59 votes
#1.25 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 9:44 PM EST

I hope the poll watchers are keeping the folks in line fed and entertained! It's hard to fathom, in this day and age, that citizens have to wait HOURS to cast their ballot.

  • 32 votes
#1.26 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 9:49 PM EST
Comment author avatarKumar-889209Expand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

We already know who is going to win. The MAJOR UNDERDOGS, Carolina Pathers beat the Washington Redskins at Washington today. More than 70 years of Redskins history (when Redskins lose at home, the incumbant party loses) tells us the winner is MITT ROMNEY!!!

  • 35 votes
#1.27 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 9:50 PM EST

Pigotry and others - First Pigotry you are partially correct in your initial post concerning citing the 3 problems with elections in the past, however, there have been 4 occasions where a President was elected, but lost the popular vote:

In 1824, John Quincy Adams was elected president despite not winning either the popular vote or the electoral vote. Andrew Jackson was the winner in both categories.

In 1876, Rutherford B. Hayes won the election (by a margin of one electoral vote), but he lost the popular vote by more than 250,000 ballots to Samuel J. Tilden.

In 1888, Benjamin Harrison received 233 electoral votes to Grover Cleveland’s 168, winning the residency. But Harrison lost the popular vote by more than 90,000 votes.

In 2000, George W. Bush was declared the winner of the general election and became the 43rd president, but he didn’t win the popular vote either. Al Gore holds that distinction, garnering about 540,000 more votes than Bush. This information taken from http://www.factcheck.org/2008/03/presidents-winning-without-popular-vote/

Another issue, worth pointing out, is it is possible to become President of the United States (all 50 states) by merely winning in 11 of 12 states, entirely loosing by a 100 - 0 popular vote count. The big 12 states, thus have more say in the NATIONAL Election than those in 38 other states (accounting for more than 2/3s of the national population), thus it is possible for a candidate to not get a single person's vote -- not one -- in 39 states or the District of Columbia, yet be elected president by wining the popular vote in just 11 of these 12 states:

California
New York
Texas
Florida
Pennsylvania
Illinois
Ohio
Michigan
New Jersey
North Carolina
Georgia
Virginia

Issue # 3 with the current election system is the electoral college selection process. "Electors" are selected under a "pledge" system in which the elector will cast thier Electoral College vote according to the popular vote of thier state. However, A faithless elector is one who casts an electoral vote for someone other than the person pledged or does not vote for any person. Only 24 states have laws to punish faithless electors. Thus, a "legal" coup is possible to hijack an election. In the past, Since the founding of the Electoral College, there have been 156 faithless Electors. 71 of these votes were changed because the original candidate died before the day on which the Electoral College cast their votes. Three of the votes were not cast at all as three Electors chose to abstain from casting their Electoral vote for any candidate. The other 82 Electoral votes were changed on the personal initiative of the Elector.

Sometimes Electors change their votes in large groups, such as when 23 Virginia Electors acted together in 1836. Many times, however, these Electors stood alone in their decision.

Issue #4 becomes one that truly should make people aware, and ultimately rally calls for our election system overhaul. Specifically campaign contributions, special interest groups, and lobbyists buying candidates and influencing elections. Large Contributions, in many people's estimation, are equivilent to bribes and corruption. One only needs to look at thier "candidate" and look at thier "fundraising". All too often we see "OUR CANDIDATE" hosting a $25k a plate fundraiser. Now honestly, what NORMAL hardworking American could afford in many cases a full year's worth of salary to attend such an event? How many times do we see "endorsements" for a candidate coming from a Special Interest or Lobby - thus bringing the candidate "promised voter gold" in exchange for a "favorable voting record" on that lobby's interest.

And finally, an issue that seems to be a recurrent, but assinine theme is the Voter ID uproar. Let's look at some common sense here. For ANYONE to say a Voter ID is a violation of thier rights, is both a fool and a moron. Simply put, you require a picture ID to drive a car - a driver's license. In order to LEGALLY purchase a firearm, you require a PHOTO ID. In order to legally purchase Alcohol or Cigarettes, you are Supposed to provide a picture ID. In fact people, most things to include using credit cards, obtaining medical attention, to opening bank accounts ALL require a PHOTO ID of some sort. NONE of these things infringes on "your assumed rights", so why should Voting be any different? Another point of fact for those mindlessly saying this infringes on thier rights and the it intimidates the poor poor minority crowd, is actually a way of guaranteeing YOUR VOTE is actually legitimate. Voting is probably one of the most cherished rights a citizen of this country has. It only makes SENSE that such a right is at least as "protected" as driving a car, opening a bank account, using a credit card, obtaining medical attention, purchasing booze, cigs, and firearms. Crawl off your idiotic "racism and victimization soapboxes" and realize a Photo ID requirement is nothing more than what you already have with the other things I mentioned.

  • 55 votes
#1.28 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 10:02 PM EST
Comment author avatarDMorganExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

They forgot to mention the BIGGEST Nightmare of All:

The slim possibility that Mitt the Magic Underwear Mormon Cultist gets elected.

That happens - we're ALL screwed. It's Dumbya Bush all over again, and GET READY FOR ANOTHER RECESSION / MOST LIKELY a DEPRESSION!!!

  • 57 votes
#1.29 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 10:05 PM EST
Comment author avatarDMorganExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

Swill the Swatcher: And finally, an issue that seems to be a recurrent, but assinine theme is the Voter ID uproar. Let's look at some common sense here. For ANYONE to say a Voter ID is a violation of thier rights, is both a fool and a moron.

Swill, the problem isn't requiring Voter ID. It's doing it within a very short time before an election, requiring specialized IDs that are hard for many people to get, and making it very expensive - so poor people cannot get the required ID to vote. THOSE are the problems -- and they are problems because it disenfranchises tens of thousands of people.

So, STOP TELLING LIES and STOP BEING A FRAUD! It makes you also look like a coward when you lie and only discuss a very small part of a topic, and leave out the gist of what was being challenged. GROW UP, SWILL!

  • 30 votes
#1.30 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 10:08 PM EST
Comment author avatarDMorganExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

Swill the Swatcher: In 1824, John Quincy Adams was elected president despite not winning either the popular vote or the electoral vote. Andrew Jackson was the winner in both categories.

Well, then -- you and the Magic Underwear Cultist have something in common: you'd both like to live back in the 1820's, and bring women's rights and civil rights back to those levels, where it's much easier to hate on women and non-whites than it is now.

  • 30 votes
#1.31 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 10:11 PM EST

MSNBCMFE

I would like to add that I have moved Gallup from trusted Neutral Poll to Republican Poll because right after the Republican'ts complained that the Pollsters were being unfair to their darling, Corporate Raider Willard Romney, Gallup suddenly changes its formula as to how it does its polling and suddenly, where President Obama had a commanding lead, Corporate Raider Romney now has a lead that is bizarre. Gallup often says he is ahead by 5-9 points over other polls. Something is not right about gallup, in my opinion

And this is my opinion.

  • 22 votes
#1.32 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 10:18 PM EST
Comment author avatarUncleSam-2242573Expand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

DMORGAN you are a racist bigot and liar to boot.

  • 26 votes
#1.33 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 10:22 PM EST
Comment author avatartim-1296967Expand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

Paul-2539759

What country is it that the article is talking about? Surely it's not our U.S. of A. We have a democracy, voting is our right and privilege, they must be talking about some 3rd world country. This Country has gone to sh--.

STAND DOWN, AMERICA!! Surrender you sheep! Boy paul smart republican sorry but we don't have a democracy we have a constitutional republic goes to show what they teach you repugs in your private schools.

NObama 2012!!!

  • 16 votes
#1.34 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 10:23 PM EST

Does the media really have to pull out their fake crystal ball to foresee something that in my lifetime of voting I've never witnessed? These types of articles are nothing but fear mongering.We have enough apathy towards voting in this country without NBC fanning the flames.Everybody get out of my way on Tuesday.I'm exercising my right to vote.

  • 25 votes
#1.35 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 10:32 PM EST

Ughh, can you imagine some guys come to you and question you like "Do you have the rights to vote?" "Show me your ID" "Which parties are you?"

Like heck I am going to follow what those guys said, imitation and pressure to get votes, the worse kind.

  • 15 votes
#1.36 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 10:33 PM EST

I waited in line to vote in Ohio for 8 hours. It took that long to get back in line and vote again 3 times.

  • 11 votes
#1.37 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 10:45 PM EST

jims-2041711

enough people have died and suffered under communism through the years. it's time to end that now. vote obama and his crew out on tues.

Why? So we can vote in another Neo Nazi Fascist? No thanks.

  • 19 votes
#1.38 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 10:48 PM EST

chanchan

Election day voting also takes less time.

I don't where you live but I live in Idaho and election day voting is a pain compared to seating in my home taking a few minutes to vote.

-------------------------

I. M. Moroni

I waited in line to vote in Ohio for 8 hours.

Don't tell me---Jerry Springer is running again, eh?

  • 5 votes
#1.39 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 10:52 PM EST

Js in SD.

I agree. They should all print a hard copy, then let you review the hard copy before final submission. When I voted I was told I couldn't see a hard copy of my vote, because the machine keeps it stored inside until election day. I thought that was B.S. I know who I voted for, but I don't know the machine properly recorded my vote. A presidential election could be swayed by a minor programming bug and no one would know because you can't check the hard copy of your vote.

I like the idea of voting machines. It speeds up the process. I don't like the idea of not being able to review what the machine recorded on the paper. I voted in Utah, so I'm not too worried about it. If Romney loses Utah, then there is definitely a problem with the machines. But in swing states it makes a difference. This is one thing I might say I agree with democrats on. It should be law that people can see the hard copy of their vote before the machine submits it. Then, if the democrats lose they can't cry like babies. If the Republicans lose we'll know its not due to some faulty software (as reported in the article. Republicans are complaining about their vote being switched. Not Democrats, even thought they were the ones paranoid about the "Tagg Romney" machines. It doesn't surprise me though.)

  • 9 votes
#1.40 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 10:56 PM EST

Another MSNBC fear porn article. Come Tuesday evening all this fretting and hand-wringing will be shown to have been for naught when it becomes apparent that the outcome is overwhelmingly decisive.

  • 9 votes
#1.41 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 11:01 PM EST

I have a suspicion that the courts are going to be tied up on Wednesday morning, but not over challenges over the election.

The courts are going to be dealing with hundreds, maybe thousands of assault with battery arraignments of US Citizens who had one of these tea-party "citizen observers" get in their face and challenge their right to vote, and the voter responded as most of us would ... by punching their lights out!!!

We vote by mail in Oregon. If we still voted at our precinct polling places, and some "citizen observer" challenged MY right to vote, that person would greatly regret ever approaching me and speaking to me.

Of course that scenario would never happen to ME, ... because I'm not black or another ethnic minority (and therefore I would not look "suspicious" to these so-called "citizen observers).

Racism has many faces. And it appears that the racists will be manning the polling places in force on Tuesday. Persevere, America.

  • 32 votes
#1.42 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 11:06 PM EST

I don't give a fook anymore, i'm voting at 7 a.m. tuesday and then going pheasant hunting for 5 days where there's no radios or t.v.....FOOK em ALL!

  • 18 votes
#1.43 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 11:14 PM EST

Robert,

You remind me of some guy who was told he couldn't vote. So he started yelling and screaming and stormed out of the polling station before the workers could tell him to fill out a provisional ballot. All he did was run to the media instead. He eventually got his ballot filled out later. But had he been level headed and listened to the poll workers he could have voted that same day. Instead he ran to the media to create a stir over nothing, and ultimately delayed his vote. If democrats start punching people on election day and get police involved. The polls will be closed before they have a chance to cast their ballot. So go ahead Robert, encourage democrats to act stupid on election day so they miss their chance to vote. I don't care. But honestly this stupid "I'm gonna punch people in the face" talk, is just that. Stupidity. 90% of the people who say crap like that are too squeamish in real life to actually do it.

  • 15 votes
#1.44 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 11:16 PM EST

"Four nightmare scenarios". American journalism at its best. We gotta keep fear and anxiety in the people. Everything has to be extreme. Some say the collective consciousness of mankind causes events - good and bad - to happen.

  • 12 votes
#1.45 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 11:19 PM EST

OK DoucheMorgan -

"the problem isn't requiring Voter ID. It's doing it within a very short time before an election, requiring specialized IDs that are hard for many people to get, and making it very expensive - so poor people cannot get the required ID to vote. THOSE are the problems -- and they are problems because it disenfranchises tens of thousands of people.

So, STOP TELLING LIES and STOP BEING A FRAUD! It makes you also look like a coward when you lie and only discuss a very small part of a topic, and leave out the gist of what was being challenged. GROW UP, SWILL!"

First of all, show me 1, JUST 1 of the things I said in my post were lies? You won't be able to, you know why, because it is ALL THE TRUTH.

2ndly Douche, show me where it is too expensive to utilize a photo ID that you already have, i.e. your driver's license, a student id card, or hell for that matter, go down to the damned DMV and get a photo ID card, LESS THAN 10 BUCKS, or is that too expensive? You use a friggin ID card of some sort to write a damned check moron. And I didn't say it should be done today, but for christ sake, you are too damned stupid to even realize you already have the photo ID.

3rdly Douche, you wanna talk about disenfranchising tens of thousands, how about tens of millions. That's right douche, apparently your intellect is so limited to realize that UNLESS you live in one of those 12 states, YOUR VOTE is pretty much worthless, if a candidate carries 11 of those 12 States. So get this through your intellectually and apparently mathematical atrophied brain. YOU ONLY NEED 11 of the Big 12 to be president, even IF YOU NEVER GET A VOTE in the other 38 states. That chief is not a lie, or a fallacy, or even fraud. That is a FACT. Since you seem to be unintelligent and need to resort to a personal attack as a result of an UNEDUCATED belief, here is a link proving exactly what I said, if you are intelligent enough to have basic reading comprehension, which hopefully being over the age of 18 (voting age) you should have. http://usgovinfo.about.com/od/thepoliticalsystem/a/electcollege_2.htm

And lastly DoucheMorgan

Well, then -- you and the Magic Underwear Cultist have something in common: you'd both like to live back in the 1820's, and bring women's rights and civil rights back to those levels, where it's much easier to hate on women and non-whites than it is now.

You forget it was a Republican - Abraham Lincoln that freed the slaves, It was the 14th Amendment incidently enacted under that same Republican that paved the way for the elimination of the Poll Tax under LBJ, a Democrat. But if INTELLIGENCE and common sense serves you well (which apparently it does not, as you have already proven), you would know that The Civil Rights Act of 1964 (Pub.L. 88-352, 78 Stat. 241, enacted July 2, 1964), which ended that tax was IN FACT DOUCHEMORGAN, supported by MORE REPUBLICANS than Democrats. HERE is the vote totals for that legislation, taken from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_Rights_Act_of_1964#By_party.

The original House version: The numbers read: FOR - AGAINST.

  • Southern Democrats: 7–87 (7–93%)
  • Southern Republicans: 0–10 (0–100%)
  • Northern Democrats: 145–9 (94–6%)
  • Northern Republicans: 138–24 (85–15%)

The Senate version:

  • Southern Democrats: 1–20 (5–95%)
  • Southern Republicans: 0–1 (0–100%)
  • Northern Democrats: 45–1 (98–2%)
  • Northern Republicans: 27–5 (84–16%)

So AS YOU CAN SEE, supported MORE by Republicans than Democrats. Your lack of education, intellect, and basic history tells me what we need more than a presidential election, is a complete revamping of public education, unless of course, you didn't bother to get that free (tax payer paid) public schoolin...

  • 16 votes
#1.46 - Mon Nov 5, 2012 12:14 AM EST

the only NIGHTMARE I can think of is the ignorants voting for Romney, yep the guy who shipped all of the products you buy show they say made in China, I cant even buy a heater core for A FOOCKING GERMAN AUDI that does not say Made In China, replace an OE AUDI fuel filter, on an 2010, it said @!$%#ing CHINA on it, china is a sore that will kill us

  • 10 votes
#1.47 - Mon Nov 5, 2012 12:17 AM EST

The difference there, Will, is that voting is a right, whereas driving or having a credit card is a privilege. You retain the right to vote whether you have identification or not; you can't drive without a license.

Around here you just sign a big book, sometimes they know you in the smaller neighborhoods, most times they're just trying to keep everyone moving thru. No accusations or problems with fraud that I'm aware of, and we've had some fairly contentious local and congregational elections, about to see another one this year for our House Rep. Still, I suspect the usually elderly volunteers to be as polite as always, their personal politics notwithstanding.

  • 9 votes
#1.48 - Mon Nov 5, 2012 12:33 AM EST

Also Will your numbers actually say that Northern Democrats were more supportive of the Civil Rights Act than Northern Republicans. Unless 98 and 94% are less than 84 and 85 respectively. Kind of ironic. Hell even Southern Democrats were, proportionally speaking, as apparently 100% of the Souths GOP was agin it. And more Democrats overall as well.

Interesting, that. Undone by your own talking points. Reality's liberal bias rears it's ugly head once again.

Not even touching on the irony of telling someone to read up on their history in the same post you try comparing Abraham Lincoln's Republicans to the modern GOP, or even the Pre-Civil Rights GOP. Tho maybe you consider RECENT history inconsequential.

This is all too funny, are you trolling yourself?

  • 11 votes
#1.49 - Mon Nov 5, 2012 12:37 AM EST

"….The 2012 campaign is the most expensive in American history, with $3 billion funneled into the presidential contest, $1 billion for each of the candidates and another $1 billion from political action committees funded by the super-rich, largely for Romney. Another $3 billion has been spent on contests for 33 US Senate seats, 435 seats in the House of Representatives, and numerous state and local government offices.

The election campaign has also been the most superficial, cynical and misleading in American history. This weekend was no exception, as both Obama and Romney fought for possession of the emptiest and most vapid of election slogans—“change”—while both candidates sought to conceal as much as possible their virtually identical plans for the post-election period.

Neither candidate will tell the American people the truth: the next administration, whether headed by a Democrat or a Republican, will launch attacks on the living standards, social benefits and democratic rights of the American people on a scale never before seen. This will be combined with stepped-up military aggression overseas, from the Middle East to the Pacific.

Whether Obama or Romney is inaugurated next January 20 will affect only the details of this political prospectus, not its broad outlines. Both candidates, and the parties they head, represent and defend the interests of the American financial elite, the most reactionary and rapacious social force on the planet…"

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2012/nov2012/elec-n05.shtml

  • 6 votes
#1.50 - Mon Nov 5, 2012 1:32 AM EST

Wrong Capt. If you look at the against numbers and actually looked at the percentages, you can see MORE Democrats were against it than Republicans were. The Totals of Democrats against were a total of 107 Democrats (both House and Senate) compared to 43 total Republicans against it, therefore, since you lack basic common sense, Democrats MORE THAN Republicans were against it. Perhaps you need a calculator, and someone pushing the buttons for you.

And I am far from a liberal. I find that to be a bigger insult than being called a Republican. At least a Republican can find facts in history, unlike those libtard democraps. And show me where for instance, where the stance has changed...

And if you bother to look, there was only 11 total Southern Republicans (house and senate), compared to what, 115 total Southern Democrats. And only 8 out of 115 of those total combined Southern Democrats were for it. I can see Math and deductive rationalization are outside your capacity chief.

And you miss the point all together Capt. And you actually reinforce my initial contention, that Voting being a RIGHT and not a priviledge, It should be afforded MORE PROTECTION from voter fraud. At the very least, if drinking booze requires ID, is it not MORE IMPORTANT to be able to vote than consuming alcohol? Is voting MORE IMPORTANT than driving a Car? Isn't voting MORE OF FUNDAMENTALLY IMPORTANT than opening a bank account, using a credit card, cashing a check?

So why then would we REQUIRE IDs for those other things, and NOT have some sort of picture ID requirement to vote?

And that signing a book is the method here as well chief, the only difference is, HERE you show a photo ID before you sign that book, even though we live in a small community, so that they can verify your eligibility to vote within that district. The ID we use here is our driver license or a Student ID Card or a State ID Card (available from the DMV for I believe it's 10 bux). No different than when you go into the store to buy booze or smokes.

And I also agree with you, in most places you won't find alot of that "voter fraud" kind of stuff in the smaller communities. But let's not forget it HAS happened before. And truthfully, I honestly don't see a big deal in flashing a picture ID before signing that book.

And the irony of reading up on your history is at least some of us don't pass along that party line bullsht, until it is thrust in our faces. If you bothered to read my initial reply, I mentioned NO POLITICAL MESSAGE, other than pointing out the flaws of the electoral college system. But if you want to take it one step further, I certainly can point back to history where future generations as well as the generation of the day was FOREWARNED to Steer Clear of Political Parties. To BE EXACT, and I quote,

"All obstructions to the execution of the Laws, all combinations and associations, under whatever plausible character, with the real design to direct, control, counteract, or awe the regular deliberation and action of the constituted authorities, are destructive of this fundamental principle, and of fatal tendency. They [political parties] serve to organize faction, to give it an artificial and extraordinary force; to put, in the place of the delegated will of the nation, the will of a party, often a small but artful and enterprising minority of the community; and, according to the alternate triumphs of different parties, to make the public administration the mirror of the ill-concerted and incongruous projects of faction, rather than the organ of consistent and wholesome plans digested by common counsels, and modified by mutual interests.."

- George Washington in his farewell address as President of the United States.

And look at the country now...

  • 5 votes
#1.51 - Mon Nov 5, 2012 1:43 AM EST

I said more Democrats were FOR it. Are you disputing that? You said more Republicans supported it, that's clearly not what the numbers say as well, more Democrats voted for it's passage than Republicans. Probably because there were more than twice as many in Congress at the time. But you seem to have decided that's unimportant, which is why I used the numbers YOU provided to make my points, all of which were correct. Democrats supported the passage of the Civil Rights Acts in larger numbers and in a larger percentage North and South. You're not using math nor deductive reasoning, I don't even know what to call this reality you seem to inhabit where numbers don't mean what they say.

No one called you a liberal (and definitely not Progressive), I wouldn't confer that honor. Especially not on someone who thinks calling other posters "douche" is funny or something. Your political party is inconsequential, your political leanings are what's important, and they come thru quite clearly in the way you write and what you seem to find important. I find your entire tone...unappealing as well, regardless of what you may support.

Are you seriously asking me how the platform of the GOP changed from Lincoln to today? Is that a real question? Clearly you can't find facts from history. Hint - facts are different from the things you WANT or FEEL to be true.

  • 6 votes
#1.52 - Mon Nov 5, 2012 2:18 AM EST

No Capt, certainly there were alot of Democrats for it. However, look at DMorgan's comment that republicans specifically are against women's and minority's rights, when clearly that is not the case. I was simply pointing out to him that there were quite a few republicans that supported it, when in fact, democrats, especially in the southern states were opposed to it. For someone to say a political party is racist as a whole, is both uneducated and ignorant. It is easy to spout the poor poor race card when common sense should tell you race had nothing at all to do with the initial point I was making.

In calling him a douche, I was returning his insult as he referred to me as "swill". Thus, tit for tat, when my initial post was not, in any way shape or form demeaning. And actually sir, you referred to me as a liberal - "Reality's liberal bias rears it's ugly head once again." thus my reply to you.

And certainly both parties platforms have changed over the years. That is not my contention, and in fact, if you bothered to read and consider the quote I used, you would know, realize, and understand, I am against a political party system, as party politics serve no other purpose than to divide the unity of the country as is more than blatantly apparent in this day and age. I would also go so far as to contend that as time has gone on, corruption is even more prevailant as a result of political parties. One only needs to look at when a Democrat or a Republican committs an immoral or illegal act, the other party is wanting blood, while the party from which the person is from is busy defending them. For example look at Chuck Rangle (D), committs tax fraud. Republicans wanted his head, Democrats backed him. There are even Republicans that do such assinine things, and other republicans excuse or make excuses for it.

And yes, if we use History as a Guide, when Washington was President, the country had a common purpose. It wasn't until political parties became prominent that we lost that united sense of purpose. Even today, you could have a 3rd party candidate MORE WELL QUALIFIED to hold that office, but because he/she is not a Democrat or Republican backed with all that money and campaigning leverage, THEY don't get a fair shot. And no, I am not an independent, but I vote according to who I think will do a better job. Sometimes that is an independent, sometimes a democrat, sometimes a republican, and sometimes, like this year, I have selections for various offices in which I supported all different parties. I base my vote, not on the party, but on the qualifications. But anymore, it is getting more and more ridiculous to have to weed through all of the partisanship, the negative ads, and the "traditional democrat, traditional republican" rhetoric to even begin to try and make a well informed decision. And I think you will agree with that at least.

And my political leanings incidently are that every vote should count. That there should not be more weight applied to a voter in California, than someone in Rhode Island for example. IF there was not the "electoral college" fiasco, every vote would be equally important. I provided facts and figures to show, along with links to the information, that not all votes are equal. My political leanings sir are that we, as voters, should be equally respected. And that doesn't happen today. IF we were, there would be no such thing as a "battle ground state", because every vote would be of major importance to a candidate. Hence, you would not see such foolishness like "with only 3% of the vote in, So and So declares the state of such and such a win for candidate A" garbage. You would never see a president elected without the popular vote. And without political parties, you would never see filibusters or the other bullsht you see in congress today. Likewise, IF we set term limits on all elected officials, there would be no such thing as a Senator with 20 years in congress, or congressmen that have more dust on them than the tops of bookshelves in the library of congress. You wouldn't have, with the dissolution of parties, the song and dance and curry favor for influence oversuch things as cabinet positions. Instead I think you would find the best qualified in those positions, because there wouldn't need to be a "partisan" stance.

But I guess you lost that in translation.

  • 3 votes
#1.53 - Mon Nov 5, 2012 3:49 AM EST

I am in Evil-Arizona. Yes, that place that is, apparently, taking away everyone's American rights. If you do not have an ID you can provide 2 of the following: an Electric, Water, telephone, sewage, gas, solid waste, cell phone, cable TV, bank/credit union statement, AZ vehicle registration, Indian Census card, property tax statement, Tribal Enrollment Card, vehicle insurance card, recorder's certificate, and voter's registration card. You can also use a passport and a military ID. All they want is proof that you are who you say you are and that you live where you say you live. No one is trying to take away anyone's right to vote. Even the poor and disenfranchised have to pay for utilities and with the new free-Obamaphone they should have a phone statement. I wish people would read the official voting materials, that you get in the mail if you are ACTUALLY registered to vote, before they spread any type of ignorant-propaganda.

  • 5 votes
#1.54 - Mon Nov 5, 2012 4:10 AM EST

Mexicans flooding into the United States, pretending to be US citizens, and voting for their puppet, OBAMA!

  • 7 votes
#1.55 - Mon Nov 5, 2012 6:25 AM EST

Corporate America paid for and bought by the greedy elite!!! Stand up to them, and vote against the person of their choice! Don't let their money take away your freedom!!

Vote Obama/Biden on Nov. 6, 2012!!!


  • 6 votes
#1.56 - Mon Nov 5, 2012 7:08 AM EST

http://openchannel.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/11/05/14928532-elections-biggest-corporate-donor-an-enigma-with-53-million-in-contributions?lite

"Election's biggest corporate donor an enigma with $5.3 million in contributions"

By Michael Beckel and Reity O’Brien, The Center for Public Integrity

"The biggest corporate contributor in the 2012 election so far doesn’t appear to make anything — other than very large contributions to a conservative super PAC.

Specialty Group Inc., of Knoxville, Tenn., donated nearly $5.3 million between Oct. 1 and Oct. 11 to FreedomWorks for America, which is affiliated with former GOP House Majority Leader Dick Armey.

FreedomWorks’ super PAC has spent more than $19 million on political advertising, including $1.7 million on Oct. 29 opposing Tammy Duckworth, a Democrat running for Congress in Illinois against Tea Party favorite Joe Walsh, a first-term incumbent.

The buy was more than four times greater than the group’s previous largest single expenditure.

Specialty was formed only a month ago. Its “principal office” is a private home in Knoxville. It has no website. And the only name associated with it is that of its registered agent, a lawyer whose phone number, listed in a legal directory, is disconnected.

Specialty is the biggest and most mysterious corporate donor to super PACs, but it is not unique.

A new analysis by the Center for Public Integrity and the Center for Responsive Politics shows that companies have contributed roughly $75 million to super PACs in the 2012 election cycle.

Super PACs, which were created in the wake of the controversial U.S. Supreme Court’s Citizens United decision in 2010, can accept donations of unlimited size from corporations, unions and individuals. They spend the funds mostly on negative advertising.

The centers’ analysis found that 85 percent of money from companies flowed to GOP-aligned groups, 11 percent went to Democratic groups and the remainder went to organizations not aligned with either party.

First Read: Full coverage on the campaign trail

Prior to Citizens United, corporate spending on candidate advertising was not allowed. The decision raised fears that massive donations from corporate treasuries would flood the election in 2012.

In fact, the largest amounts have come from wealthy businessmen. However, about 11 percent of the $660 million raised by all super PACs through mid-October has come from company treasuries — mostly privately held businesses, sometimes organized as limited partnerships or limited liability companies.

High-profile donors
Yet a few high-profile companies haven’t been afraid to jump into the partisan fray.

In mid-October, oil and gas giant Chevron donated $2.5 million to a super PAC close to House Speaker John Boehner, R-Ohio, called the Congressional Leadership Fund, which has aired a bevy of ads attacking Democratic House candidates.

Oxbow Carbon, the energy company owned by billionaire William Koch, the lesser-known brother of conservative industrialists David and Charles Koch, and Contran Corp., the business of Republican super donor Harold Simmons of Texas, have both steered significant sums to the coffers of super PACs.

Oxbow Carbon has donated $4.25 million to GOP super PACs, making it the No. 2 corporate donor to super PACs, while Contran, No. 3, has donated more than $3 million to Republican-aligned groups.

Another top corporate donor is a retirement community in central Florida known as The Villages — a Republican stronghold where Paul Ryan held his first campaign rally the day after GOP presidential nominee Mitt Romney named him as his running mate.

Developer H. Gary Morse created The Villages more than 50 years ago, and this election cycle, more than a dozen companies connected to Morse and The Villages have collectively steered $1.6 million to GOP super PACs. That’s in addition to the $450,000 that Morse and his wife, Renee, have donated from their personal funds.

Notably, Morse is also the Florida co-chairman of the Romney campaign, and during the Republican National Convention, Morse’s Cayman Island-flagged yacht, named “Cracker Bay,” was the site of a soiree for some of Romney’s top donors and fundraisers.

Other high-profile corporate donors include:

  • The Apollo Group, a for-profit education company, which gave $75,000 to the pro-Romney Restore Our Future and another $5,000 to JAN PAC, the super PAC of Arizona’s Republican Gov. Jan Brewer;
  • Convenience store giant 7-Eleven, which donated $25,000 to Hoosiers for Jobs, a super PAC that supported Sen. Dick Lugar, R-Ind., during his failed primary campaign;
  • Hamburger chain White Castle, which gave $25,000 to the Congressional Leadership Fund;
  • Defense contractor B/E Aerospace, which gave $50,000 to Restore Our Future;
  • Payday lender QC Holdings, which gave $25,000 to Restore Our Future; and
  • Weaver Holdings, the parent company of the Indiana-popcorn company known for its brands “Pop Weaver” and “Trail’s End,” sold by Boy Scouts across the country, which has donated $2.4 million to American Crossroads, the super PAC founded by GOP strategists Karl Rove and Ed Gillespie.

Only a few other Fortune 500 companies have joined Chevron, which ranks third on the elite list behind only Exxon Mobil and Walmart, in making contributions to super PACs, and none has given as much as the energy giant.

Caesar’s Entertainment Corp., for instance, ranked by Fortune at No. 288, has given $150,000 to Majority PAC, a group that is spending to help Democrats retain the majority in the U.S. Senate.

“Fortune 500 companies are the least likely to be the ones who will be out in front giving publicly,” said Rick Hasen, a law professor at the University of California-Irvine. “They want to have influence over elections and elected officials, but they don't want to alienate customers.”

By category, companies in the finance, insurance and real estate sector donated more than $15 million, “general business sector” firms gave about $14 million and energy sector companies contributed more than $11 million, according to the analysis.

Unions, by contrast, have donated about $60 million to super PACs, from their treasuries or political action committees.

The top union donors include the National Education Association ($9 million), the United Auto Workers ($8.6 million) and the AFL-CIO ($6.4 million). All of these groups have spent heavily on Democratic candidates.

Money 'hiding in plain sight'
Additional corporate money may be flowing through politically active nonprofits that don’t disclose their funders.

“I strongly suspect that most of the corporate money is hiding in plain sight in trade associations like the U.S. Chamber of Commerce,” said Ciara Torres-Spelliscy, a professor at the Stetson University College of Law.

For its part, the Chamber — which collects dues from companies such as Aetna, Chevron, Dow Chemical and Microsoft — has reported spending more than $35 million on political ads, which have overwhelmingly favored Republican politicians.

Facts about Specialty Group Inc. are scant.

Records filed with the Tennessee Secretary of State’s office show it registered on Sept. 26, listing 61-year-old attorney William S. Rose, Jr., as its agent. Rose’s $634,000 home — about a 30-minute drive from downtown Knoxville — is listed as its “principal office.”

Yet the company’s money has made a huge impact.

After the cash infusion from Specialty, FreedomWorks produced numerous advertisements, including one that blasts Duckworth as a crony of former Illinois Gov. Rod Blagojevich, who was impeached and sentenced to 14 years in federal prison following a corruption scandal.

Duckworth is a double amputee and Iraq War veteran. She headed Illinois’ Department of Veteran Affairs and later served in President Barack Obama’s U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs.

FreedomWorks’ new ad features grainy footage of Duckworth and audio of her saying, “Gov. Blagojevich has charged me with the mission of taking care of my buddies, and that is what I’m doing.” But it leaves out the fact that when she said “buddies,” she was referring to other veterans and members of the military.

FreedomWorks for America treasurer and legal counsel Ryan Hecker says the organization only supports candidates who are “ethically right.”

Anton Becker, Duckworth's campaign press secretary, says it’s conservative outside groups who are peddling "lies."

When asked for details about Specialty Group and the source of its contributions, Hecker expressed ignorance, and doubted that voters care about where the money came from.

“We are in compliance with the law, and we are doing what we can to report to the Federal Election Commission,” he said. “If there’s an issue with Specialty, it’s their issue. It’s not our issue.”

Andrea Fuller of the Center for Public Integrity contributed to this report.

This story is a collaboration between the Center for Public Integrity and the Center for Responsive Politics."

  • 1 vote
#1.57 - Mon Nov 5, 2012 7:09 AM EST

The House of Representatives will be essentially the same as now after the election, with Republicans in control with about 240 seats.

This means that a vote for Obama is a vote for several more years of 'GRIDLOCK', since Obama has demonstrated that he is either unwilling or unable to compromise with the Republicans.

Unlike Reagan and Clinton, who worked closely with an opposing Congress to get lots of good things done, Obama has made only one attempt to meet with the Republicans (on the Debt crisis), and even then he reneged on the 'deal' he made with Boehner.

With Romney as President, we will at least have some cooperation between the White House and Congress, and avoid more GRIDLOCK.

  • 7 votes
#1.59 - Mon Nov 5, 2012 8:20 AM EST

Roy, your comment doesn't make any sense. Gridlock is a two-way street. IF Republicans keep hold of the house, they have a responsibility to come to the table and legislate for the people, not the party. Laying all the blame on Obama is just partisan hackery.

  • 8 votes
#1.60 - Mon Nov 5, 2012 8:33 AM EST

You need to go back to Math class "ItsSimple" There are normally only 1 or 2 early voting locations per county. My county has over 150 polling locations open tomorrow and only had 1 for early voting, which was open for two weeks. It only takes 14 out of the 150 locations tomorrow to make up for the number of votes cast in the two weeks.

  • 2 votes
#1.62 - Mon Nov 5, 2012 9:30 AM EST

Roy,

Your argument is that we should submit to Republican obstructionist strategy to end Republican driven gridlock? Because if we don't vote for their candidate, they will continue to block progress? That's blackmail and extortion. They spent four years blocking the President to try and regain power. Now it's Vote for Mitt or we'll shoot the puppy. How about we get rid of uncooperative right wing extremists instead.

I won't be bullied by vigilante tea party "poll watchers" or influenced by negative Superpac funded advertisements or fooled by any of Karl Rove's dirty "swiftboating" tricks. I urge everyone to stand up to these obstructionist bullies. An overwhelming victory will show the election can't be bought by wealthy and powerful special interests

  • 7 votes
#1.63 - Mon Nov 5, 2012 9:45 AM EST

I’ve listened to all the pollsters and the back and forth on both sides and the one thing I find interesting is that they keep talking about how many dems are voting early and still others who will vote tomorrow and yet I don’t hear them talking about the dems who have already made it plain they will not vote for obama, a lot of them have indicated that they will vote for Romney.

As to the republicans being terrible people, blah, blah, blah – the NAACP took over a polling station in Texas, moving people around in the long line, chatting about obama and what a “wonderful” job he’s done, etc. Machines in Ohio have recorded a vote for obama, even though the vote was cast for Romney and the same has happened in other states. Romney support signs have been stolen from yards by union members. And the list goes on and on. So, dems need to keep their mouths shut until their hands are clean.

  • 6 votes
#1.64 - Mon Nov 5, 2012 9:57 AM EST

JS in SD- you personally witnessed what? How do you know this was a conspiracy and how do you know the guy was a democrat? When I go to vote sometimes the ladies take a while to find my name on the list and they do make mistakes sometimes. Just saying you seem to assume alot. Good Grief. Everyone knows the heavy handed repubs are the ones that are trying to intimidate the voters. It is to the Democrats' advantage to make sure that EVERYONE gets out and votes.

  • 3 votes
#1.65 - Mon Nov 5, 2012 10:03 AM EST

Most of the info is coming from Fox for ReTarded News and it smells !!!!!

  • 3 votes
#1.66 - Mon Nov 5, 2012 11:37 AM EST

Actually, nbc's most frightening scenario would be a Romney victory, especially after all the time and money they've invested in Obama. When an organization such as nbc abandons any shred of ethics, honesty and objectivity to actively campaign for an incompetent socialist, only to lose is the most frightening nightmare possible.

  • 3 votes
#1.67 - Mon Nov 5, 2012 11:45 AM EST

I voted early last Thursday - Indiana is using the newes voting machines that supposedly tally tally the vote with no way to double check or verfiy how the vote was recorded. I have written enough code to know how to write subroutines that can run along side the tally and compare register values (votes for one or the other) that can introduce a command to induce a bias (simple or proportional) to reassign the vote based on the desired outcome. The number of votes would match the number of voters, but there is no-way to know that the candiates I voted for actually received the votes I cast. Then, since Tagg Romney's private equity company is invested in the same group that includes Hart Intercivic - the company who made thes voting machines I am very concerned. Statements refuting Tagg Romney's investment/ownership in Hart arer technically true because the chain is legally broken through the laundering technics used in this investment round-robin of HIG (which by the way was formed by Mitt's co-partner from Bain.

  • 2 votes
#1.68 - Mon Nov 5, 2012 11:47 AM EST

If someone from "True The Vote" (are they part of the American Nazi party ?) or any other group tries to question your right to vote, do not respond to them, just take their picture and go and VOTE. If they touch you or prevent you from voting in ANY WAY, have them arrested and press charges.

The only way to stop these thugs is to show the world what they are, thugs.

  • 4 votes
#1.69 - Mon Nov 5, 2012 11:48 AM EST

Just to show how ridiculous these types of comments are:

Simply put, you require a picture ID to drive a car - a driver's license.

I don't have a car, so I don't require or have that ID.

In order to LEGALLY purchase a firearm, you require a PHOTO ID.

Again, don't have one, so haven't needed ID for this.

In order to legally purchase Alcohol or Cigarettes, you are Supposed to provide a picture ID.

Only if they believe you are underage. It is not a requirement to show one. I bought alcohol hundreds (maybe even thousands) of times without showing one. It has been very, very rare to have to, and I look younger than my age. I don't smoke so have never had to provide ID for cigarettes. Other people could say the same when it comes to alcohol.

In fact people, most things to include

Well, let's see...

using credit cards,

Nope, never had to do that.

obtaining medical attention,

Nope, never had to do that.

to opening bank accounts

Nope, didn't have to do that.

ALL require a PHOTO ID of some sort.

Quite obviously they don't, otherwise I wouldn't have gone for so long doing all these things without having to present a photo ID.

NONE of these things infringes on "your assumed rights", so why should Voting be any different?

Well, based on the above your argument rather falls apart, doesn't it.

For the record, I'm not a citizen only a permanent resident. The only photo ID I have is a greencard, which would probably not be acceptable (not that I'm voting, I can't) in the case of PA where I live! The last time I remember having to show ID was getting back into the country when I went on vacation in June/July. The time before that... god knows?

  • 3 votes
#1.70 - Mon Nov 5, 2012 12:16 PM EST

@Will the Watcher

You forget it was a Republican - Abraham Lincoln that freed the slaves, It was the 14th Amendment incidently enacted under that same Republican that paved the way for the elimination of the Poll Tax under LBJ, a Democrat. But if INTELLIGENCE and common sense serves you well (which apparently it does not, as you have already proven), you would know that The Civil Rights Act of 1964 (Pub.L. 88-352, 78 Stat. 241, enacted July 2, 1964), which ended that tax was IN FACT DOUCHEMORGAN, supported by MORE REPUBLICANS than Democrats. HERE is the vote totals for that legislation, taken from #By_party.

The original House version: The numbers read: FOR - AGAINST.

  • Southern Democrats: 7–87 (7–93%)
  • Southern Republicans: 0–10 (0–100%)
  • Northern Democrats: 145–9 (94–6%)
  • Northern Republicans: 138–24 (85–15%)

The Senate version:

  • Southern Democrats: 1–20 (5–95%)
  • Southern Republicans: 0–1 (0–100%)
  • Northern Democrats: 45–1 (98–2%)
  • Northern Republicans: 27–5 (84–16%)

So AS YOU CAN SEE, supported MORE by Republicans than Democrats. Your lack of education, intellect, and basic history tells me what we need more than a presidential election, is a complete revamping of public education, unless of course, you didn't bother to get that free (tax payer paid) public schoolin...

After reading the arguments between you and the other guy (too lazy to scroll up and check his name) about these numbers, I feel as though I must point out a few things:

Numerically speaking, there were more Democrats (House and Senate combined) than Republicans for the bill and there were also more Democrats than Republicans against it. Looking at absolute numbers here (For - Against), the Democrats had a lower proportion of them in favor of the bill (198-117 to the Republicans' 165-40).

Even looking at how they voted, the trends were similar by region - Southerners (both Democrat and Republican) overwhelmingly opposed it while Northerners overwhelmingly supported it. There are other conclusions we can draw from these numbers as well:

There were many more Northerners than Southerners, as evidenced by the vast difference in House numbers between the North and South; and Southern Republicans were very few in number, virtually nonexistent.

When the time period of the bill is considered, one should recall that at that point in history, while the North was fairly tolerant of diversity and humanity, the South was very much against it. At this point, I feel as though I should note that the ideals of the Democratic and Republican parties have since reversed from what they once were to what they are today. Today's Democrats are cited as being for the minorities whereas Democrats back then were generally against minorities. I bring up the point, again, that there were almost no Southern Republicans. While there were differences in the number of Northern Democrats versus Northern Republicans, those differences were nowhere near as vast as the differences between the number of Southern Democrats to Southern Republicans.

I feel as though the percentage of Democrats in support versus the percentage of Republicans in support is skewed mostly because the group of Southern Republicans is virtually nonexistent whereas the group of Southern Democrats is, by comparison, overwhelmingly existent and served to skew the result. To me, the passage of this bill wasn't a case of partisan support but more a case of regional support (though it just so happened that Southern Republicans were just about nonexistent).

Just my two cents.

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#1.71 - Mon Nov 5, 2012 12:37 PM EST

@Rob80

You are correct in your statement that most of the above mentioned are in fact, privledges, not rights; with the exception of one, the second amendment to the Constitution of the United States of America.

If one were to argue that it is illegal/unethical for voters to show ID in order to vote, then it is equally illegal/unethical for citizens to be required by LAW to show ID to purchase a weapon. Both are protected Rights under the Constitution.

I believe in both cases proof of citizenship should be required, otherwise the system would be ineffective. In both cases, citizens who have been convicted of a felony have been stripped of those rights, as well as others. I'm OK with restricting the types of weapons a felon convicted of a violent crime may purchase, but to deny them the vote seems oppressive. What if they were convicted of a felony pot possesion charge in Colorado, and they legalize pot this week. The felon, in this situation, gets no say in the matter.

State ID's, not Drivers licenses cost five dollars in my state. If you cannot afford it, and can prove that, most states will purchase the ID for you. Even then you still have to prove you are a resident of the state.

    #1.72 - Mon Nov 5, 2012 1:49 PM EST

    An addendum to my previous statement.

    We are now REQUIRED BY FEDERAL LAW to have Health INSURANCE, not health care. (two different things) If you want Health Insurance you are REQUIRED by the private and government companies to have ID. Period. I know this personally with the Government's PCIP plan. (they have a website) PCIP, which is scheduled to expire in 2014, when it first came out was the EXACT same plan as our State plan MSCHIRPA, which has been around since about '92. In the beginning it was exactly the same, but once somebody realized this they changed it so you didn't have to pay six months in premiums and have proof that you've been denied insurance for a pre-existing condition, which if you've ever been in this position you know that you have send in the first month's premium, wait six weeks for them to deny you, and another six weeks to refund your money. Luckily some nameless faceless beuracrat, not Congress, changed the Federal plan so that all you have to have is a note from your Doctor saying they have been treating you for a pre-existing condition. Just a little FYI for anybody in the same boat medically. Basically the part of Obamacare that calls for State Exchanges, already exists in at least thirty states, so basically they sold and are going to tax over half of us on something we already have. It would kind of be like requiring State governments to issue, free by no means, federal IDs, even though you can already do that through the state. Excuse me for getting off topic, but the day after the SC ruling I received a letter telling me that I'm no longer part of PPOUSA, but now under the network of United Healthcare, yet my premiums are made out to the National Finance Center, run by the USDA. (doesn't it make you feel warm and fuzzy to know that the dept. of agriculture is handling your health insurance?) To me its not exactly like when Chavez sent in the troops to take over the oil and gas industry, but its similar. In both cases private companies put in all the money, make the agreements with the effected parties and then in comes the Government, and says, good job, we'll take it from here, start sending your money to us instead of the companies that actually built the infrastructure.

      #1.73 - Mon Nov 5, 2012 2:13 PM EST

      Ruckus

      You are correct in your statement that most of the above mentioned are in fact, privledges, not rights; with the exception of one, the second amendment to the Constitution of the United States of America.

      I didn't say that. My argument was just that I often see these ridiculous lists of things you require photo ID for. The reality is that you can very easily go through day to day life without one. Often, all the things that are being used as examples do not require photo ID. I find these lists totally bogus.

      If one were to argue that it is illegal/unethical for voters to show ID in order to vote, then it is equally illegal/unethical for citizens to be required by LAW to show ID to purchase a weapon. Both are protected Rights under the Constitution.

      I believe in both cases proof of citizenship should be required, otherwise the system would be ineffective. In both cases, citizens who have been convicted of a felony have been stripped of those rights, as well as others.

      This might well have been an over thought, but from the above you are saying I shouldn't be allowed to buy a weapon. I'm not a citizen, just a resident. The only differences between me and a citizen (currently, that I am aware of) are that I can't vote and can be deported.

      By the way, don't different states have different rules on whether 'felons' can vote?

      The other problem is that the people that don't have photo ID and are being required to now get it don't have the same means. That doesn't just mean money, that means being able to get off work when the relevant place is open, and being able to get there. There are also people out there that simply do not have a birth certificate, at all. The real 'cost' of getting a photo ID is not just what you pay for it at the DoT.

        #1.74 - Mon Nov 5, 2012 2:35 PM EST

        will the naval-gazing imbecile:

        it seems you are far too stupid to understand that even when the facts are right in front of your face is the simple fact that the SOUTHERN democrats of the pre-civil rights era were in fact still living in the civil war that they lost and still wouldn't accept, those southerners still considered any republican to be a "black republican".

        now those southerners have embraced the republican party and still harbor their resentment of all minorities,and are doing their absolute best to turn the republican party into the "party of (a white) god".

        ps, why "navel gazing imbecile"?, well if you feel you can call others "douche", then whats good for the goose is good for the gander, and if you whine about it, that proves you are nothing but a lying hypocrite

          #1.75 - Mon Nov 5, 2012 4:45 PM EST

          Rob80 wrote:

          This might well have been an over thought, but from the above you are saying I shouldn't be allowed to buy a weapon. I'm not a citizen, just a resident. The only differences between me and a citizen (currently, that I am aware of) are that I can't vote and can be deported.

          I don't believe a non-citizen should have the Constitutional Right to purchase weapons. Personally I don't think non-citizens should have any Constitutional Rights. They should have those similar privledges or even State Rights, but not unilaterally granted to all the citizens of the world. We should, and do, have Federal and State laws to grant these privledges at varying degrees. I don't mind non-citizens having knives, (don't have to show ID for those) but firearms are a different story to varying degrees. Pistols are fine with me. From a security standpoint a foreign or domestic terrorist attack is not going to be very sucessfull with JUST a pistol. A shotgun is kind of a grey area. A terrorist or foreign operative could go on a spree, but could still be stopped by a citizen or non-citizen with a pistol, possibly even a knife. A rifle on the other hand can do a lot of damage and I would not feel comfortable giving one to a non-citizen without a probation period and a thourogh background check, do I even have to mention ID. Same thing for citizens but that would require State, County, or Municipal laws (which exist at varying degrees) or changing the Constitution. I don't like making things difficult for hunters, citizen or not, but from a security standpoint one man or woman, a rifle, plenty of ammo and food, can be very dangerous. If somebody has a rifle a pistol may as well be a knife.

          By the way, don't different states have different rules on whether 'felons' can vote?

          After a little reading, each State has different rules for felony disenfranchisement. I found it interesting that "Except Maine and Vermont, every state prohibits felons from voting while in prison." I find the idea of rapist and murders voting repugnant, but to me it seems unconstitutional. I wonder why no stories on that topic, (from any source) it seems interesting to me.

          The other problem is that the people that don't have photo ID and are being required to now get it don't have the same means. That doesn't just mean money, that means being able to get off work when the relevant place is open, and being able to get there. There are also people out there that simply do not have a birth certificate, at all. The real 'cost' of getting a photo ID is not just what you pay for it at the DoT.

          First off, one can get a photo ID at the State DMV, the MDOT is a MS State level Department of Transportation, where as the Federal DOT has nothing to do with State Driver's Licenses. Here in the poorest State in the Union I can walk to the Public library and use one of their computers to renew online, of course you have to be in the system in the first place. Also here, you can register to vote at the DMV. Being a rural State this is easy for me living outside the capitol. Some people live deep in the sticks and it is hard to get a photo ID from the Government, but you can get them other ways too. Libraries for one, and they're everywhere, and under the jurisdiction of the State. Not sure if they've all do photo ID, but I'm sure the county Sheriff's Office does. I know that because that's where I had to go to get fingerprinted for a possible security clearance. Still cost money, but so does food. One last point, 'people without means' can apply for assistance with the local SSA office, and they require ID, not neccesarily photo...but ID none the less. Non photo ID would be a step in the right direction. We currently do not require photo or any ID to actually vote. I registered at the DMV so they had my info for registering, not sure what they require. Probably just a SS#.

            #1.76 - Mon Nov 5, 2012 5:25 PM EST

            "deploy Defense Department trucks with “Vote Here” signs, protected by National Guard members. But that plan prompted concerns among some Democrats that military trucks could intimidate voters, especially in minority neighborhoods,"

            I think that would be safe and fair despite a past of minorities being hassled, the minorities are used to seeing army folks there by now and know they are there to help.

            To all you people spreading absolute lies here, although there is no way we will know who you really are...YOU KNOW...have a little self-pride, sheesh people, don't let the Internet destroy you as a person. Honesty is still part of being a decent human being.

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            #1.77 - Mon Nov 5, 2012 6:35 PM EST

            OK Markwillscantapparentlyread - since you are incredibly stupid with pre-civil war era, Lincoln's time, and the Civil Rights Act of 1964, 100 years later for those mouth breathing types, and especially markwillscantapparentlyread go back to comments 1.28, my very first comment to this thread - very civil, then jackwagon drop down to comment 1.30 and 1.31, where the name calling first starts. But like most non reading dumbasses who just wanna jump in with thier faces flapping, you might want to get your facts straight before engaging your alligator mouth before it over runs your tweety bird ass.

            And Robo, you still have a photo ID - your greencard, your passport/visa. In this country, by the age of 18 you will have a photo ID of some sort, be it a learners permit, a school ID card, a state ID card, a driving license, or something with a photo, a DOB on it, and an address. And in this country, if you are purchasing even a car, or doing a rental car, or anything, you will need a photo ID of some sort to complete that transaction. I know in the UK the drivers licenses there do not have a photo, but when you come into the country, you have your passport and your country of origin driving license.

            And to answer your question concerning felons, each state is different. Some states will not ever reinstate your voting rights (depending on the crime), but each state has a procedure of some sort to reinstate your voting rights. And just for the record, if you try to legally purchase a firearm and do not have a photo ID, you will NOT be allowed to make that purchase. It is part of the application process for the background check to make sure you are NOT a felon or have been declared mentally incompetent, or have been convicted of a domestic violence charge. IF the gun shop sells you a weapon without that ID, they will loose thier FFL (Federal Firearms License) and have one hell of a fine to pay.

            And actually Robo, when you get a job here in this country, and start collecting a paycheck, depending on the employer you either get direct deposit (into your bank account, which requires a photo ID to open) or you get a check, (which requires a photo ID to cash). Either way, unless you live off the tit of this country, you will have some sort of photo ID.

              #1.78 - Mon Nov 5, 2012 7:38 PM EST

              What all of these pollsters fail to report is how many Democrats are not voting for Obama! The enthusiasm for this President has dropped significantly; I have not seen 1 lawn sign for him this season in my neighborhood, and 4 years ago they dotted the landscape everywhere you looked. There may be lots more Democrats that have voted early, but did anyone ask them who they actually voted for? The results tomorrow on how many crossed over will shock you all.

              ~~If you're not outraged by the direction of this country, you're just not paying attention~~

              Trojan horse detected:
              Uninstalling Obama......... ███████████████▒ 98% complete.

                #1.79 - Mon Nov 5, 2012 7:39 PM EST

                Paul_W "Roy, Your argument is that we should submit to Republican obstructionist strategy to end Republican driven gridlock?"

                No. My argument is that Obama refuses to even try to compromise with the Republicans on any important issues. When was the last time that Obama has met with Republican congressional leaders to discuss compromise? - NOT.

                Reagan worked closely with 'Tip' O'Neill and Clinton worked closely with Newt Gingrich to get lots of good things done. Obama absolutely refuses to even talk with the Republicans - he's content with merely demonizing them.

                  #1.80 - Mon Nov 5, 2012 8:47 PM EST

                  @RW - you are correct. The slight was more of a regional reflection, however, when you have some uneducated dumbass trying to say "Republicans" are racist, certainly the south being full of Democrats leaves alot to be said. That was the whole point of even bringing the subject up. And certainly you are correct, TOTAL PERCENTAGES by party, as you eluded to, Total Democrats in the House of Representatives (248) with a total of 96 opposed for a total % against of 39%. Republicans in the House of Reps (172) with 34 opposed for a total % against of 20%. In the Senate you had 67 Democrats, 21 opposed for a total % of 32%, and 33 Republicans with 6 opposed for a total %of 19%. BY LARGE, especially for those with mathematics issues, MORE Democrats were opposed to the civil rights act than republicans. And the numbers are even MORE intriguing when we combine both houses of congress where Democrats numbered 315, with a total of 117 opposed for a combined percentage of 38%, compared to 205 total Republicans with the total of 40 opposed for a combined total 24%. But of course, according to some igits, only republicans are racists.

                  And before some other doufis starts flapping here, yes, times have changed. Platforms have changed. The people in those elected positions have changed. But, if you want to know why racism even exists, think about how it is perpetuated. Candidate A is targeting black voters, Candidate B is targeting Latino Voters, that you hear constantly. And certainly organizations like NAACP, the KKK, Black Congressional Caucus, and the whole "minority" heritage month stuff, all perpetuates a "1 upsmanship" of minority. You NEVER see a White History Month, or the White Congressional Caucus, or a National Association for the Advancement of White People, or hell for that matter any candidate "targeting the White Population". You know why? THEY would be called racists, but the shoe sure as hell don't fit when it is on the other foot.

                  So why don't we stop all the racist bullsht by just calling ourselves AMERICANS, and embrace the rich heritage of our AMERICAN history, being AMERICAN Voters, and forcing the damned Congress to be an AMERICAN Caucus. Jeeze, that would almost be too much to expect from anyone...

                    #1.81 - Mon Nov 5, 2012 9:51 PM EST

                    @ will the watcher - yes indeed, republicans are racist. The "party of Lincoln" disappeared shortly after Lincoln; the southern democrats moved to the GOP where they were greeted with open arms and have been covered with hugs, kisses, and licks ever since. Why do you think that at least once a week some republikcan says "he;s not one of us" or "he doesn't understand america" or he's a kenyan, "a radical kenyan with a mind set the rest of us can't understand" ? Who do you think they're talking to? Who do you think was at the teabugger rallies carrying the witch doctor posters and the ubangi posters and the pimp hat posters? Your entire argument is irrelevant. Democrats moved the act, democrats were in the largest number supporting the act and those democrats who opposed it are now republicans.

                    You no doubt for purely rational reasons prefer a tax cheat with a running mate so covered in slime that officials in his own church called his "intellectual" output immoral.

                      #1.82 - Mon Nov 5, 2012 11:33 PM EST

                      Wow, now it's devolved into "the NAACP is racist, how come we don't have a white history month??"

                      It's like, bizarro world in here. I mean seriously. American history INCLUDES African American history, the problem is we often feel EXCLUDED from the discussion, we feel EXCLUDED from classrooms besides simplistic depictions of slavery.

                      The very reason minority targeted caucuses exist is because of that exclusion, and clearly people don't feel as if it has abated enough that they can be represented by mainstream organizations, which DO represent white Americans. They do by default, which is why you don't need it in the name.

                        #1.83 - Tue Nov 6, 2012 9:17 AM EST

                        STAND DOWN, AMERICA!! Surrender you sheep!

                        NObama 2012!!!

                        Obamanos!! Remember Obama's priorities citizenship to islam, the rest get back!! How many of your family members were bypassed to accommodate Hamas refugees? Viva La Raza!!

                          #1.84 - Tue Nov 6, 2012 10:03 AM EST

                          DMORGAN you are a racist bigot and liar to boot.

                          UncleSam-2242573, you are suspended for a day for violating rule # 1 of the Code of Honor.

                          Above all else, respect others. Address issues and arguments and refrain from making personal attacks.

                          • 2 votes
                          #1.85 - Tue Nov 6, 2012 12:50 PM EST
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                          also take a picture of your ballot when you are done with it

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                          #2 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 7:54 PM EST
                          Comment author avatarPigotryExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

                          Beware of GOP scheme to steal this close election in Florida and other battleground states.

                          .

                          To learn more about the sinister GOP CON(servative) game of fraud in 2012, please google - nathan sproul, RNC fraud.

                          • 38 votes
                          #2.1 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 7:58 PM EST

                          Ted – do you know if taking a photo of our ballots would be allowed in a polling place?

                          • 1 vote
                          #2.2 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 8:18 PM EST
                          Comment author avatarjims-2041711Expand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

                          you should be happy about that miss piggy. they will have to hire a few of your dem buddies. after all if you what a thief look for a democrat.

                          • 16 votes
                          #2.3 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 8:26 PM EST

                          Lrerg My wife and I did and there was no problems

                          • 4 votes
                          #2.4 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 8:32 PM EST

                          Thanks so much for the response. I think this is what I'm going to do.

                          • 5 votes
                          #2.5 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 8:38 PM EST

                          Why would taking a picture of your ballot make any difference, unless everyone does it? It's not like your name is on it and your vote is recorded under your name.

                          • 12 votes
                          #2.6 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 8:41 PM EST

                          OMG - obama must go!

                          • 24 votes
                          #2.7 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 9:05 PM EST
                          • 3 votes
                          #2.8 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 9:22 PM EST

                          If you have a paper ballot to take a picture of.....election officials ought to be handing you a stub with your ballot number BEFORE it goes into the box.

                          With that ballot number, you can verify your vote was counted at the Registrar.

                          • 5 votes
                          #2.9 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 9:30 PM EST

                          I guess people that can't even remember who they voted for have to take a picture. Are they even qualified to vote?

                          • 4 votes
                          #2.10 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 9:31 PM EST

                          Great and Breaking news! Well finally what we were all expecting has come to past. Rupert Murdock has ordered Chris Christie to unconditionally fall in line, and make his loyalty clear ,and warned him about further pleasant cooperation with Obama. You'd think Chris Christie was turning into a Democrat for crying out loud. Maybe Fox News Security can send out undercover teams to survail those whom are supposed to be loyal to the GOP before something like this happens again?

                          • 11 votes
                          #2.11 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 10:26 PM EST

                          Pigotry, Put down the glass pipe and step away!

                          • 8 votes
                          #2.12 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 10:58 PM EST

                          Candice, you are aware there is a difference between election fraud and voter fraud, right? Nah, probably not - plus, it wouldn't fit the right wing talking points. Oh, and are you aware that the Republicans have TWICE used a group that was committing vote fraud? Pretending they were registering voters, but then throwing away the registrations of Democrats? I mean, if you are going to use a bribery example, it's only fair for me to use an example of the right denying others the right to vote.

                          And I PRAY some right wing goon interferes with my vote on Tuesday.

                          • 14 votes
                          #2.13 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 11:16 PM EST

                          Just reading the posts of O's supporters is enough to make you republican,very childish and following to a dangerous fault,please really look into his background ,he has surrounded himself with Anti-American/and Caucasian /anti-colonialist,/capitalism,the list goes on and on. . .Hey it's okey not to vote for him again,he let us all down,let's all pull together and get a real leader in and that's Romney/Ryan,and if they screw up like O&Joe then it's bye to them ,but lets quit shooting ourselves in the foot,
                          Just found available Meshell's collage transcript /papers as well as the No Whites allowed clubs she liked to be associated with,very telling

                          • 9 votes
                          #2.14 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 11:48 PM EST

                          Childish? You mean like using "Meshell" and such? That kind of childish?

                          • 10 votes
                          #2.15 - Mon Nov 5, 2012 12:15 AM EST

                          No, it's ok when they do it. I mean, they're right, after all, so they can't do any wrong.

                          • 6 votes
                          #2.16 - Mon Nov 5, 2012 12:42 AM EST

                          Honestly, I don't know what you people are squabbling about! The popular vote doesn't really mean anything when it comes to voting for a president. It's the Electorial College that ultimately decides.

                          Just look at the Bush/Gore situation. The popular vote is obviously a joke. We have very little control over our democracy!

                          • 2 votes
                          #2.17 - Mon Nov 5, 2012 1:02 AM EST
                          Comment author avatarSter2Expand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

                          Again you have no desire to know the truth,I say Meeshell and that's all you can come back with ? No answers no intelligent argument. . .And Romney has made his tax returns avail,he did aloooong time ago but Obama keeps repeating lies as usual.
                          Gov. And Mrs. Romney's complete 2011 tax return is now available below, in addition to their complete 2010 tax return.

                          The Romneys have provided extensive information about their personal finances, including over 1,200 pages of federal tax returns that are now public on this website.

                          Also posted is a letter from the Romneys' tax preparer, PricewaterhouseCoopers, LLP, which gives an overview of the Romneys' tax returns covering an additional 20 years, from 1990-2009.

                          Governor Romney's tax returns show:

                          First, as a successful businessman, Governor Romney has not only added value to our economy through his investment and business activity, but he has paid millions in taxes every year to the U.S. government.

                          Second, the Romneys take to heart "to whom much is given, of him shall much be required." Accordingly, they have been generous in their charitable giving, donating over $7 million between 2010-2011 – donating more to charity than they paid in federal income taxes.

                          Third, Mitt Romney has scrupulously complied with the U.S. tax code, and his income is reported and taxed at the applicable rates, and he has paid 100 percent of what he has owed.

                          In addition, Gov. Romney has released nine financial disclosures since 2002, which are also posted on this site. There are 3 federal Public Financial Disclosures (from 2007, 2011, and 2012), and 6 Massachusetts Statements of Financial Interests (from 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, and 2007).

                          With a decade's worth of financial disclosure documents and the Romneys' recent tax returns, the American people have extensive information about their personal finances, above and beyond what is required by the law.

                          This site also includes Congressman Paul Ryan's financial information. Posted are tax returns from 2011 and 2010 for Paul and Janna Ryan, as well as 14 federal Public Financial Disclosures covering 1999-2012.

                          Additionally, there are now physician letters for both Gov. Romney and Rep. Ryan, making public their physical condition and medical history. These letters are being provided in the interest of public disclosure.

                          Health Disclosures

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                          Physician's Letter on Mitt Romney's Health
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                          2011 Returns

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                          2011 Return
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                          Mitt & Ann Romney
                          2011 Estimated Return
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                          2010 Returns

                          Mitt & Ann Romney
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                          • 5 votes
                          #2.18 - Mon Nov 5, 2012 1:12 AM EST

                          Lame as usual, Ster2 - you whine about others being childish and then use childish rhetoric, then get all huffy because you got called on it. Typical.

                          • 6 votes
                          #2.20 - Mon Nov 5, 2012 1:21 AM EST

                          I just could not resist a recap of todays news.

                          This just in.

                          There are five reasons your vote will be irrational. #1 you are a Democrat, #2 you are a Republican, #3 you are an Independent, #4 you are a Socialist, #5 you are a Green Party supporter, just kidding the reasons start with the following statements.

                          "Climate change, defense spending, the economy: People may
                          claim they base their political opinions solely on issues like these, but
                          social scientists would beg to differ. Our voting habits are surprisingly
                          irrational, and seemingly irrelevant factors can influence how, and whether, we
                          vote."

                          www.msnbc.msn.com/id/49684422

                          Interesting reading and accounts for the fact President Obama won the last election and maybe this one.

                          Next

                          • 1 vote
                          #2.21 - Mon Nov 5, 2012 1:24 AM EST

                          Chris Walker that is absolutely true the electoral collage needs to go , we don't need some one else to tell us who we need.

                          • 2 votes
                          #2.22 - Mon Nov 5, 2012 1:25 AM EST

                          Nobody's Huffy NutJob,must just be you,and again no substance,you will probley never look at the tax returns you guys keep makin a fuss over and when they are provided its "I know you are but what am I " childish yes and we would like for you on the left to take a look when you claim falsehoods and then say nothing when your caught.
                          Sad NutJob

                          • 2 votes
                          #2.23 - Mon Nov 5, 2012 1:50 AM EST

                          Poor, sad Ster2 - continually posts the same thing, inferring there are links there when there are not. Yeah, I'm the one caught. Own up to your shortcomings, including your posts, and quit trying to blame me, or anybody else, for those shortcomings.

                          • 2 votes
                          #2.24 - Mon Nov 5, 2012 3:55 AM EST

                          Romney paid "NO" Taxes for 1996 to 2009, "REVENGE" vote this Crook Out !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

                          • 2 votes
                          #2.25 - Mon Nov 5, 2012 11:43 AM EST

                          Patriotic: you don't need to Revenge, you just need to vote, DEMOCRATIC, the entire ballot. Remove all of these traitors. As an elected representative, their first loyalty should not be to party, or Grover Norquist, or the Koch brothers, or ALEC, but to the country. \

                          Every single Republican in Congress has signed Grover Norquist's blood oath, WHY DOES ANYONE TRUST THEM ?

                          • 3 votes
                          #2.26 - Mon Nov 5, 2012 11:53 AM EST

                          STAND DOWN, AMERICA Surrender you sheep

                          NObama 2012!!!

                          Obamanos!! Islam to the front of the line, tell your family members that have been waiting years for citizenship to get back.

                            #2.27 - Mon Nov 5, 2012 7:32 PM EST

                            interesting. The republicker party, as represented by jims and paul, appears to be both insane and dishonest.

                              #2.28 - Mon Nov 5, 2012 11:35 PM EST
                              Reply

                              IF any of those things happens we'll deal with them THEN.Please stop stirring the pot over things that COULD POSSIBLY happen.

                              • 19 votes
                              Reply#3 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 8:00 PM EST

                              This is msnbc trying to stir the pot and create a problem, in order to hide thereal numbers and the popular win by Romney

                              • 27 votes
                              #3.1 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 8:34 PM EST

                              Just giving Owebama and his lawyers a window to throw their lawsuits out of.

                              • 17 votes
                              #3.2 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 8:45 PM EST

                              The AD lies are starting to get Bigger and Bigger... China owns 1.5 trillion of our 16 trillion debt same amount as Japan. That debt includes the 10.5+ trillion Bush left and interest on it plus the added expense of Bushes unfunded wars that he left us with. To say somehow Obama is the downfall of America due to Congress borrowing money to pay for that is more then a lie.

                              ROMNEY/BUSH Not Now/Never Again

                              • 33 votes
                              #3.3 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 8:52 PM EST

                              Its all Bush's fault Obama aka Bush the third, did bailout number 2 and bailout number 3(the one that pumps out billions to banks every month)

                              VOTE Bush out , Vote Romney IN !

                              • 19 votes
                              #3.4 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 9:02 PM EST
                              Comment author avatarCandice-Expand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

                              kimb54.1. You know that it's President Obama's plan to re-purpose that same unfunded Iraq and Afghanistan money (savings, I think he calls it) for other projects we can't afford. Will you oppose President Obama spending that same money if he winds up in a second term?

                              • 9 votes
                              #3.5 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 9:30 PM EST

                              Well, that would have been a much better use for the money in the first place. But, it is true that we must start reducing our deficit without having people starving in the streets. I don't know the best way to do it, I suspect neither Obama nor Romney know either. I do know it can't be done overnight or we will be Greece.

                              • 4 votes
                              #3.6 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 11:07 PM EST

                              Remember if you can keep your mind while all those around you lose theirs....you'll be o.k.

                              • 3 votes
                              #3.7 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 11:18 PM EST

                              Right coyote vote Obama

                              • 7 votes
                              #3.8 - Mon Nov 5, 2012 1:31 AM EST

                              as an independent i have been watching bolth candidates and this is the conclusion i have come to ....

                              1 Republicans said en mass at the start of this presidency PRIOR to any legislation that was crafted that they wanted to make obama a "one term president" this tells me that they were going to obstruct ANYTHING he did ... good for the country or not

                              2 he has succeeded to craft some legislation despite that declaration and he has succeeded at

                              A: getting Osama Benlauden dispite republicans calling him a terorist sympathiser ...

                              B: pulling the economy out of the free fall it was in despite republicans saying he made your paycheck smaller....

                              C: crafting legislation with republican ideas in it despite republicans rejecting the very legislation they agreed to weeks before PUBLICLY and helping all people in the face emergencies not just democrats despite republicans telling people he is soooo divisive to this country ...

                              Obama has sevral blunders in speaking and in legsialtion he has signed .... usualy republican led legislation .... indefenant incarseration without trial is one ... but it was added by republicans to the defence budget in the first place ...

                              3 Romney A:can't tell us what his taxes were when the IRS was catching tax evaders in Switzerland.

                              B:he cant tell us what his policies are going to be when he takes office in relation to taxes even tho he signed a pledge that he "can't raise taxes for anybody" under penalty of litigation.

                              C: believes in his heart that " Companies are people too." i don't know about you guys but any religious person should find that offencive ... companies have no soul, no sense of right and wrong and should NOT have more rights than people because they are NOT made by our creator ....

                              D: says he meant what he said "whatever" he said and stands behind it witch means he stands behind all sides of all issues .... witch is not leadership its not even a proper decision.

                              i'm leaning O this election ..... since no 3rd party candidate seems to be electable

                              • 3 votes
                              #3.9 - Mon Nov 5, 2012 1:35 PM EST

                              kimb54.1

                              I am sure Bush would like to retire after 12 years in the White House. Didn't know he could serve a 3rd term but I guess anything crooked is possible when Democrats have control.

                              STAND DOWN, AMERICA!!

                              NObama 2012!!!

                              Obamanos!!

                                #3.10 - Mon Nov 5, 2012 7:40 PM EST

                                @Lorax12, I knew who you were voting for the minute I saw your atrocious spelling. It's also obvious that the 'facts' that brought you to your conclusion were all gleaned from MSNBC and other Obama leaning media outlets.

                                ~~If you're not outraged by the direction of this country, you're just not paying attention~~

                                Trojan horse detected:
                                Uninstalling Obama......... ███████████████▒ 98% complete.

                                  #3.11 - Mon Nov 5, 2012 7:50 PM EST

                                  Trojan horse detected:
                                  Uninstalling Obama......... ███████████████▒ 98% complete.

                                  error detected, wait four years for reboot...

                                  LOL

                                  • 1 vote
                                  #3.12 - Wed Nov 7, 2012 6:24 PM EST
                                  Reply

                                  Getting ready for the excuse----voter suppression, racist, voting machines, hurricane kept vote count down.

                                  These will be the headlines on MSNBC on Wednesday. Chris Matthews may not live through it!!!!!!!!

                                  • 27 votes
                                  Reply#4 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 8:00 PM EST

                                  Or the illusion that it was a race.

                                  Obama 307 - Romney 231. :-)

                                  • 34 votes
                                  #4.1 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 8:25 PM EST

                                  IF Romney landslides Obama, I see alot of windows being used by lawyers to through everything including the kitchen sink.

                                  • 13 votes
                                  #4.2 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 8:59 PM EST
                                  Comment author avatarlogan-1976070Expand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

                                  Chris Matthews RIP what a great headline!

                                  • 10 votes
                                  #4.3 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 9:07 PM EST

                                  Obama can file all the lawsuits he wants, just further evidence of his unwillingness to accept responsibility for anything.

                                  • 22 votes
                                  #4.4 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 9:09 PM EST
                                  Comment author avatarCOYOTEHUNTERExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

                                  We can only hope that chris mathews has the big one.....

                                  • 1 vote
                                  #4.5 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 11:19 PM EST

                                  logan, you have been reported - there is no excuse for that type of post. Same for you, COYOTE. Real class, guys.

                                  • 8 votes
                                  #4.6 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 11:19 PM EST

                                  I want to see rush limbaughs melt down.

                                  • 5 votes
                                  #4.7 - Mon Nov 5, 2012 1:34 AM EST

                                  Actually, Obama should not win.

                                  He should not have ever been allowed on the 2008 ballot in the first place.

                                  A man who subscribes to "God damn America!!!" should never be allowed to become the leader of the country he is cursing. That's just common sense, but it seems millions of Americans have been duped.

                                  • 8 votes
                                  #4.8 - Mon Nov 5, 2012 6:56 AM EST
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                                  Comment author avatarBrian-2822589Expand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

                                  The only nightmare scenario would be if Obama wins a second term

                                  • 42 votes
                                  Reply#5 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 8:01 PM EST
                                  Comment author avatarJon the MethodistExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

                                  The single worst thing that could happen to our country right now would be for Romney to be elected President. We are just now seeing the fruits of our labor restoring the country to it's former glory after the Republicans under Bush did so much damage, in so many ways, to our country.

                                  If Romney gets in the chance is pretty good that we will never be able to repair the country after he is finished with it.

                                  • 54 votes
                                  #5.1 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 8:08 PM EST
                                  Comment author avatarMiloCExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

                                  "We are just now seeing the fruits of our labor restoring the country to it's former glory after the Republicans under Bush did so much damage, in so many ways, to our country."

                                  It took 4 years to start to begin to kind of see some fruits maybe. Yeah, OK. If Obama gets elected, I hope the comment in 2016 won't be "The economy is just starting to improve. Trust me this time. Really. I need 12 more years of bailouts to undisciplined companies, another couple trillion dollars of borrowed money, and lots of expensive programs - all because of George Bush, who is also the cause of all my other failures."

                                  • 18 votes
                                  #5.2 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 8:28 PM EST

                                  "We are just now seeing the fruits of our labor restoring the country to it's former glory after the Republicans under Bush did so much damage, in so many ways, to our country."

                                  Yeah, OK. It took 4 years to see a blip up from the pit of increased unemployment, higher gas prices, and astronomical debt added by Obama. I can just see it in 2016, "Hey this time it is really just starting to improve. Trust me. We need another couple trillion more of borrowed money, a few more bailouts of undisciplined companies, and lots of more taxes to give free stuff to people before it takes off. It has all be George Bush's fault."

                                  • 13 votes
                                  #5.3 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 8:34 PM EST

                                  According to gaffing Joe Biden today in Ohio he said, "President Clinton bankrupted Chrysler so that Italians could buy it to ship jobs overseas to China."

                                  • 13 votes
                                  #5.4 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 9:07 PM EST
                                  Comment author avatarbones-2099328Expand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

                                  we just had four years of nightmare senerios brought to by a president who wants you to trust him after paying millions to hide his college records. make your records public so we can see what barry really did. trust , yea i'm gonna trust anyone paying MILLIONS to hide their past. somebodies hiding something very very very bad and he has mutiple names, mutiple passports multiple social security numbers and god knows what other secrets. sombody tell obama we need to know someone before we can trust them . know who they are what they are about . can't do that when your past is sealed.

                                  • 17 votes
                                  #5.5 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 9:26 PM EST

                                  "Republicans under bush", you need to go revisit history. Under Bush we had job and economic growth every single month up till the DEMOCRATS took the House and Senate, after that everything went to crap thanks to your good friends Barney Frank and Chris Dodd. Ignoring the facts doesn't change history to the way you wish it was.

                                  • 17 votes
                                  #5.6 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 9:32 PM EST

                                  bones-2099328

                                  Hay TRUMPSTER give it a break!

                                  OBAMA 2012... ROMNEY/1040

                                  • 12 votes
                                  #5.7 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 11:04 PM EST

                                  Hey, if nobama wins a second term we'll live through it...it will be tough to listen to the libs crowing about it but in the end after the smoke clears, the survivers will still be here....adapt and overcome....

                                    #5.8 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 11:22 PM EST

                                    bones - if all this crap is secret, then how do you know about it? haha. You're really foolish.

                                    ridgelon - you're just a fool.

                                    • 1 vote
                                    #5.9 - Mon Nov 5, 2012 2:35 AM EST

                                    Survivers? LMAO No wonder you are stuck working fries.

                                      #5.10 - Mon Nov 5, 2012 10:10 AM EST
                                      Reply

                                      5) Romney wins.

                                      That's the BIGGEST nightmare scenario of the election!

                                      • 43 votes
                                      Reply#6 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 8:05 PM EST

                                      Couldn't agree more Up Uranus (love the name).

                                      • 29 votes
                                      #6.1 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 8:09 PM EST
                                      Comment author avatarRick OKCExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

                                      That appears to be where your head is. You might want to wipe off your plexiglass belly button. Both you and Up Uranus. Worst nightmare is four more of the same old giveaway bull@!$%# and run up the credit card with china crap

                                      • 21 votes
                                      #6.2 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 8:57 PM EST

                                      Up uranus - Spoken like a true welfare-dependent Democrat. The sheer thought of having to work instead of kneeling and begging for "entitlements" must be mortifying.

                                      • 16 votes
                                      #6.3 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 9:13 PM EST

                                      Ah yes the minute anyone supports Obama they come out with " true welfare-dependent Democrat". I guess you include disabled and elderly people that see through Romney"s 5 point plan that he won't explain until "after the election" and that it's too lengthy when someone saw it and it is at most 1800 words. By cutting taxes 20% across the board adding 5 trillion to the debt and saying that the top 1% of earners are the small business owners. No small business owner I know are in that income bracket. Let's not forget undoing the savings Obama gave back to medicare making it solvent until 2024 and making it go broke in 2016 again and making medicare a "voucher system that insurance companies can pick and choose who they cover. Repealing the Affordable Healthcare act, that mimic exactly what Mittens used in "his great state" even using the same advisers and as he put it just shoving those people into the ER.

                                      • 15 votes
                                      #6.4 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 10:52 PM EST

                                      If you can't stand on your own then you shouldn't be standing....I refuse to kneel before anyone...

                                      • 4 votes
                                      #6.5 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 11:24 PM EST

                                      coyote you may not kneel under romney but he will make you want to to pray.

                                      • 5 votes
                                      #6.6 - Mon Nov 5, 2012 1:39 AM EST

                                      Coyotehunter: IF Romney wins, he'll tell you first to kneel in front of him, then tell you to bend over. And he won't give you a KY handout as that's socialism.

                                      • 4 votes
                                      #6.7 - Mon Nov 5, 2012 6:42 AM EST

                                      I guess you include disabled and elderly people that see through Romney"s 5 point plan that he won't explain until "after the election

                                      @TCLucas I am elderly and I still pay federal taxes. I don't know why you libs keep on insisting that the elderly don't pay federal taxes! The elderly that don't pay taxes now probably never paid taxes because they have been on the government dole all their lives.

                                      • 2 votes
                                      #6.8 - Mon Nov 5, 2012 7:43 AM EST
                                      Reply

                                      Recently admitted to Augusta, Darla Moore and Bush were part owners in the Texas Rangers. Darla Moore was credited with removing current Florida Governor, Rick Scott as CEO of HCA because Darla's husband owned HCA.

                                      Scott left the 7th largest employer in the US with a golden parachute worth $500 million.

                                      Then Bain came in and cleaned up the mess after the 14 felonies and $650 million in fines. Romney bought HCA at a distress sale for $33B, now it's worth three times that much. How much money do you get for engineering that kind of deal?

                                      How does Mitt Romney get away with laundering billions of unreported income in the Caymans through a bank owned by his church?

                                      Why wasn't Rick Scott ever convicted of MedicAid and Medicare fraud?

                                      All the money grubbers of the GOP want to be heir apparent to the Bush crime family especially Romney.

                                      Romney has been in on it all this time.

                                      • 33 votes
                                      Reply#7 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 8:11 PM EST

                                      Armand

                                      You really need to find some new and legitimate news. What you are selling is so full of obvious half truths it's sad

                                      Gov Rick Scot net worth 218 million 2010, 105 million 2011, and 83 million 2012. the $500 million golden parachute is a fairy tale.

                                      http://www.nbcmiami.com/news/politics/Florida-Governor-Rick-Scotts-Net-Worth-Dropped-Again-in-2011-160918125.html

                                      Bain Capital along with several other investors bought HCA in 2006. This is 7 years after Romney relinguished his authority in Bain in a leave of absence only to retroactively retiring in 2002 upon walking in the door at the end of the leave of absense. In Retiring, Romney shares were transitioned to a non-voting retirement investment.

                                      As for Rick Scott and HCA, there is not evidence that he knew the fraud going on. I've seen good people get fired for not catching fraud underneath their management. Sometimes when you are actually honest you don't recognize it because no one told you what corruption looks like. After you experience it, you wise up a bit.

                                      The Cayamens was a Bain thing. Nothing Romney can do about it and NO it wasn't hidden, it was missed one year in the tax returns when the statements failed to get to the tax accountant.

                                      The Mormon donation is pretty common for church goers of all faiths. Mitt donated a part of his fortune to Mormon church to manage now and keep when he dies in exchange for a tax free annuity that stops when he dies. It is only part of his wealth, so the rant that he paid no taxes lives, even thought he has paid his legal required amount every year.

                                      • 9 votes
                                      #7.1 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 8:48 PM EST

                                      So?

                                      • 3 votes
                                      #7.2 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 9:09 PM EST

                                      DB Akron --

                                      Geesh. You can't be serious. You defend Rick Scott? ("Sometimes when you are actually honest you don't recognize it because no one told you what corruption looks like"). I used to think you were just someone I disagreed with, but now I see you are a fraud. #7.1.

                                      "No one told you what corruption looks like".

                                      LOL.

                                      I'm sure Rick Scott has at least one mirror in his house.

                                      • 7 votes
                                      #7.3 - Mon Nov 5, 2012 12:03 AM EST

                                      @ DB Akron

                                      Mitt donated a part of his fortune to Mormon church to manage now and keep when he dies in exchange for a tax free annuity that stops when he dies.

                                      This is yet another reason why we need to tax churches as corporations.

                                      • 11 votes
                                      #7.4 - Mon Nov 5, 2012 12:13 AM EST

                                      So Captain Jack Wigal,

                                      Can I call you for donations to help low income and homeless people in our three town area instead of make an appeal to church members to donate to their needs?

                                      I thought so...that is why churches need tax exempt status. I suppose you would like to tax donations to the Red Cross and get a piece of the Sandy money action as well?

                                      Next

                                      • 1 vote
                                      #7.5 - Mon Nov 5, 2012 1:31 AM EST

                                      Not so Sure

                                      It would be easy enough to allow churches deductions for their actual charity but tax them on the funds that go to the buildings and salaries linked to campaign endorsements. I've got a big Lutheran Church and a big Catholic cathedral down the street from me. They both keep adding new construction (the cathedral stopped a weekly food distribution to make room for a 3-SUV garage for the archbishop's house and made a city street impassable for months in the process), the cathedral's bell-ringing disrupts my sleep when I work late shifts and periodically during conference they broadcast prayers that can be heard 2 blocks away while I pay the property taxes they don't have to. An archbishop in the state recently read, mailed, and published a letter telling Catholics exactly whom to vote for (NOT the lifelong Catholic from that diocese running as a dem for Senate, I can tell you that)

                                      • 3 votes
                                      #7.6 - Mon Nov 5, 2012 9:23 AM EST
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                                      Comment author avatarCommon Sense- 4 UExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

                                      If flip flopney wins the top 1% will do well..........for a short time

                                      Untill trickle down fails again

                                      Then everyone loses

                                      I'm Mitt the Twitt and I approve this message

                                      • 36 votes
                                      Reply#8 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 8:12 PM EST

                                      Common Sense- 4 U

                                      PROVE IT....

                                      Polly Want a Cracker?

                                      • 7 votes
                                      #8.1 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 9:10 PM EST

                                      Common Sense-4U,

                                      I wrote this just for you and others with you particular mind set a few hours ago.

                                      President Obama is one of the most divisive, partisan, political hacks of all time. No leadership, no ability to compromise, and now runs a campaign on "revenge through your vote". Revenge of what...the inept who have been in Congress to long or an inept President who has overstayed his welcome by four years already? Revenge against those who believe in paying the bills and not running record deficits? Revenge against those who believe in budgets? Revenge against those who believe in legal government through Congressional actions not "executive order"? Revenge against those who believe we have gone backwards in terms of racial division since President Obama came to the White House (supported by current research here on MS-NBC)? Revenge on those who do not buy the lies? Revenge on those who believe the federal government is responsible for 12 million illegal immigrants and the associated costs to taxpayers? Revenge on those who are among the 23 million unemployed? Is that the Revenge you declare Mr. President? If so you are contemptible and pathetic...but your record already established that.

                                      Next

                                      • 6 votes
                                      #8.2 - Mon Nov 5, 2012 1:44 AM EST

                                      It's the obstructionist GOP and the whacked out TPers who have been divisive. Also, this admin deported undocumented immigrants at higher rate than any previous. And gee, I thought people who are unemployed just "refuse to take care or responsibility for their own lives" and shouldn't be whining for the govt to hand them a job.

                                      • 2 votes
                                      #8.3 - Mon Nov 5, 2012 9:26 AM EST

                                      Here's your proof, ignorant one.

                                      http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/02/business/questions-raised-on-withdrawal-of-congressional-research-services-report-on-tax-rates.html

                                      This recent congressional report found top down economics to be a complete failure.

                                      Mitch McConnell kept it from being released.

                                      Romney's policies are the same old top down failure.

                                      • 2 votes
                                      #8.4 - Mon Nov 5, 2012 12:18 PM EST
                                      Reply

                                      Go O and Joe.

                                      • 29 votes
                                      Reply#9 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 8:12 PM EST

                                      Yes Go O and Joe -- right out the door!

                                      • 16 votes
                                      #9.1 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 8:33 PM EST
                                      Reply

                                      If the GOP stays in control of the House and state legislatures, the 2016 election will be even worse. If not, we could actually have secure online voting and far better participation. Please see

                                      Voting in person is the ideal, but evoting will gain much-needed wider participation in elections, and also allow for continuous expression of public opinion on a wide range of issues.

                                      In-person participation at continuously-operated polling stations, such as in schools and run by students, would provide statistical comparisons to reveal instances of attempts at on-line manipulation. Please see

                                      Even better, valid anonymous avatars should be established for online voters. Please see

                                      • 4 votes
                                      Reply#10 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 8:12 PM EST

                                      The problem with e-voting is hactivist groups like Anonymous. The government has already shown that they are incapable of securing anything electronic, what makes you think they could secure our electronic votes? I'm all for e-voting, if it can be secured from hackers of any political bent or persuasion which I do not believe is completely possible.

                                      • 12 votes
                                      #10.1 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 8:41 PM EST
                                      Reply

                                      I want everyone who understands that it's more important to get it right than it is to get it right now to raise their hands!

                                      Instant replay is for horse racing and football. The new president (whoever!) won't be inaugurated until February in any case. Plenty of time between now and then to count ALL the votes.

                                      • 4 votes
                                      Reply#11 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 8:12 PM EST

                                      Inauguration has been Jan 20th since 1937. Prior to that it was March 4th. Which is the day the Constitution first took affect in 1789.

                                      • 11 votes
                                      #11.1 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 8:37 PM EST

                                      Frank -

                                      January 20th is the inauguration.

                                      Mardi Gras is in February.

                                      • 9 votes
                                      #11.2 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 9:54 PM EST

                                      OH MY GOD! Frank Maunder just showed what I've been afraid of...the American educational system is in such a state of weakness that those that have been through it can't even tell you the correct date that the President is sworn into office after an election. And yet we think they're intelligent enough to cast a vote for the highest office in the land?

                                        #11.3 - Mon Nov 5, 2012 6:52 AM EST
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                                        I truly don't understand this early voting business. For years we did just fine with voting on Election Day - period. If you can't be at your voting place on Election Day, get an absentee ballot.

                                        • 19 votes
                                        Reply#12 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 8:14 PM EST

                                        First off, early voting helps those who have to work at night and on the swing shift. Second it helps the disabled because there are usually fewer people voting at early voting and they can take their time.

                                        If the Republican'ts are so upset over allowing the people every chance to vote, then why not do these two things.... 1) Extend the Voting hour. On the first tuesday of November, have the polls open at midnight, remain open all day and close at midnight Tuesday-Wednesday. 2) Allow people to vote VIA Internet. Many nations allow it and there is software, very very good software that makes voting twice much more difficult.

                                        But of course we know the number one reason the Republican'ts oppose early voting... By forcing people to vote on one day, they can create long lines that discourages people and keeps them from voting. I feel the Republican't motto is the fewer Americans that vote, the better!!!

                                        And this is my opinion.

                                        • 12 votes
                                        #12.1 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 10:30 PM EST

                                        Magnum Serpentine, pull your head out of that dark and remote place you keep it! I have been voting on election day since 1968, in the most populous state, and I've never had to wait in line more than 10 minutes. If you like internet voting so much, why don't you move to one of those wonderful countries that use it? Early voting invites fraud, internet voting, even more so!

                                        • 2 votes
                                        #12.2 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 11:11 PM EST

                                        Magnum, I agree with the idea of 24 hour voting, but I believe the 24 hour period should open and close simultaneously every where in the US. For instance, the polls would open at Midnight EST everywhere and close 24 hours later. NO votes would be counted anywhere until all polls closed. Sorry, Dixville Notch.

                                        • 1 vote
                                        #12.3 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 11:17 PM EST

                                        I voted early at the county courthouse. I could have taken the ballot home or handed it in there, which I did. I would have preferred going to the polls but I work a 10+ hour shift on Tuesday. The ballots are not opened and fed into the machines by the county until Tuesday. 24 hour makes sense to me, but many places have issues with getting enough people to run the polling places these days and they would have to double or triple the number hired for that.

                                        • 1 vote
                                        #12.4 - Mon Nov 5, 2012 9:30 AM EST
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                                        Can't wait to tune in to the conservative radio talk shows on Wednesday. Move forward people. Chant with me......OBAMA,OBAMA,OBAMA,OBAMA

                                        • 27 votes
                                        Reply#13 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 8:15 PM EST

                                        Thursday will be much better when they are reviewing Obama's huge loss.

                                        P.S.

                                        Chants are for mindless drones.

                                        • 7 votes
                                        #13.1 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 9:19 PM EST

                                        pjam09

                                        Thursday will be much better when they are reviewing Obama's huge loss.

                                        P.S.

                                        Chants are for mindless drones.

                                        _____________________________________

                                        DRILL BABY DRILL!

                                        DRILL BABY DRILL!

                                        • 10 votes
                                        #13.2 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 11:31 PM EST

                                        pjam, I seem to recall you using the same type of thing in your posts of the past. Trying to pull a Romney?

                                        • 7 votes
                                        #13.3 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 11:33 PM EST

                                        Don't bother, nut job. pjam clearly has a bad case of Romnesia, for which there is no known cure.

                                        • 5 votes
                                        #13.4 - Mon Nov 5, 2012 3:24 AM EST
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                                        Those who to choose to vote legitimately WILL vote regardless of rain/snow/weather... (you know... that postman thing).

                                        I am really concerned about voter fraud this year, but I believe that the right man will win.

                                        • 7 votes
                                        Reply#14 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 8:15 PM EST

                                        Obama wins electoral, loses popular.

                                        Romney wins popular, loses electoral.

                                        Dems keep the Senate (because the GOP just can't stop talking about rape for some reason), GOP keeps the House.

                                        Everyone whines about 'fraud'. Issa keeps tossing sh*t and hoping something sticks; Reid and Senate Dems keep ignoring House legislation; we play chicken every three months as we vote on CRs and spend four years without a budget; Romney spends the next four years campaigning and keeping himself in the headlines; and we spend the next four years treading water.

                                        • 5 votes
                                        Reply#15 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 8:15 PM EST

                                        The only sound you will here is the same sound that a drain makes as it sucks the last of the water from the sink... Our Country will be GONE!

                                        • 4 votes
                                        #15.1 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 9:13 PM EST

                                        The storm makes a good case for retaining the electoral college.

                                        • 1 vote
                                        #15.2 - Mon Nov 5, 2012 9:32 AM EST
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                                        Comment author avatarCommon Sense- 4 UExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

                                        Did Flip Flopney have the worst job creation record of all governors?

                                        No

                                        The gov of Louisiana ........after Katrina had a worse job creation record

                                        But hey.......let's trust the guy with off shore bank accounts who is terrified of showing his tax returns to the American people.

                                        Hahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahaha

                                        • 28 votes
                                        Reply#16 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 8:16 PM EST

                                        Common Sense- 4 U

                                        PROVE IT....

                                        Polly Want a Cracker?

                                        • 4 votes
                                        #16.1 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 9:14 PM EST

                                        no sense -

                                        Lots of Democrat governors had worse job creation records, not just the one in Louisiana.

                                        Did Obama have the worst presidency of all presidents?

                                        Yes.

                                        • 8 votes
                                        #16.2 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 9:22 PM EST

                                        Times - it's really funny that you keep posting "Polly want a Cracker" over and over again, like a ... oh, nevermind.

                                        • 8 votes
                                        #16.3 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 9:57 PM EST

                                        No, the worst presidential record would be Bush, of course. He did nothing to prevent the worst attack on American soil in history on 9/11/2001. Then he used 911 to start a totally unnecessary war under other false pretenses (no WMD) that cost another trillion dollars and thousands of American lives. Then he and the republicans passed an okay program (Medicare D) but with absolutely NO funding to add anther trillion dollars to the debt every 10 years. Military spending more than doubled every year during his term. Then to top it all off, he and the repubs refused to raise taxes to pay any for their new wars and all the extra defense spending and increased Medicare spending debt, even though the debt was rising to a level high enough to threaten the financial security of this country.

                                        • 12 votes
                                        #16.4 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 10:10 PM EST

                                        Your right totally. Mitt Romney should have been a man about his tax returns, and not scurry into the corner like a little mouse. America has lost repect for him on that account, and for many more good reasons.

                                        • 13 votes
                                        #16.5 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 10:35 PM EST

                                        Emmygee, yes time is running out for the parrot!

                                        • 3 votes
                                        #16.6 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 10:49 PM EST

                                        You guys must not have got the memo,Romney did show his taxes but the lame stream didn't inform you,look it up,he gives well over what O does to charity and doesn't take the deduction,but you guys wouldn't know anything about charity

                                        • 1 vote
                                        #16.8 - Mon Nov 5, 2012 1:05 AM EST

                                        Here is his tax return you Moron
                                        Gov. And Mrs. Romney's complete 2011 tax return is now available below, in addition to their complete 2010 tax return.

                                        The Romneys have provided extensive information about their personal finances, including over 1,200 pages of federal tax returns that are now public on this website.

                                        Also posted is a letter from the Romneys' tax preparer, PricewaterhouseCoopers, LLP, which gives an overview of the Romneys' tax returns covering an additional 20 years, from 1990-2009.

                                        Governor Romney's tax returns show:

                                        First, as a successful businessman, Governor Romney has not only added value to our economy through his investment and business activity, but he has paid millions in taxes every year to the U.S. government.

                                        Second, the Romneys take to heart "to whom much is given, of him shall much be required." Accordingly, they have been generous in their charitable giving, donating over $7 million between 2010-2011 – donating more to charity than they paid in federal income taxes.

                                        Third, Mitt Romney has scrupulously complied with the U.S. tax code, and his income is reported and taxed at the applicable rates, and he has paid 100 percent of what he has owed.

                                        In addition, Gov. Romney has released nine financial disclosures since 2002, which are also posted on this site. There are 3 federal Public Financial Disclosures (from 2007, 2011, and 2012), and 6 Massachusetts Statements of Financial Interests (from 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, and 2007).

                                        With a decade's worth of financial disclosure documents and the Romneys' recent tax returns, the American people have extensive information about their personal finances, above and beyond what is required by the law.

                                        This site also includes Congressman Paul Ryan's financial information. Posted are tax returns from 2011 and 2010 for Paul and Janna Ryan, as well as 14 federal Public Financial Disclosures covering 1999-2012.

                                        Additionally, there are now physician letters for both Gov. Romney and Rep. Ryan, making public their physical condition and medical history. These letters are being provided in the interest of public disclosure.

                                        Health Disclosures

                                        Mitt Romney
                                        Physician's Letter on Mitt Romney's Health
                                        Viewâ–º
                                        Paul Ryan
                                        Physician's Letter on Paul Ryan's Health
                                        Viewâ–º
                                        2011 Returns

                                        Mitt & Ann Romney
                                        2011 Return
                                        Viewâ–º
                                        Mitt Romney Trust
                                        2011 Return
                                        Viewâ–º
                                        Ann Romney Trust
                                        2011 Return
                                        Viewâ–º
                                        Family Trust
                                        2011 Return
                                        Viewâ–º
                                        Mitt & Ann Romney
                                        2011 Estimated Return
                                        Viewâ–º
                                        Paul & Janna Ryan
                                        2011 Return
                                        Viewâ–º
                                        2010 Returns

                                        Mitt & Ann Romney
                                        2010 Return
                                        Viewâ–º
                                        Mitt Romney Trust
                                        2010 Return
                                        Viewâ–º
                                        Ann Romney Trust
                                        2010 Return
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                                        Family Trust
                                        2010 Return
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                                        Tyler Charitable Foundation
                                        2010 Estimated Return
                                        Viewâ–º
                                        Paul & Janna Ryan
                                        2010 Return
                                        Viewâ–º

                                          #16.9 - Mon Nov 5, 2012 1:16 AM EST

                                          citizensarethecountry,

                                          You wrote;

                                          "No, the worst presidential record would be Bush, of course. He did nothing to prevent the worst attack on American soil in history on 9/11/2001. Then he used 911 to start a totally unnecessary war under other false pretenses (no WMD) that cost another trillion dollars and thousands of American lives."

                                          By astute observation then President Obama is guilty of doing nothing to stop Hurricane Sandy from hitting the United States Eastern Seaboard? Since when is a President responsible of the terrorist actions of other individuals or the preventing of a natural disaster? Even I have to give President Obama some of a pass on Benghazi because all the information is not available to me.

                                          Now back to the assertion that President Bush took us to Iraq all on his own. How about a little lite reading for your education.

                                          "One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the
                                          capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver
                                          them. That is our bottom line."

                                          --President Bill Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998

                                          "If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear.
                                          We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass
                                          destruction program."

                                          --President Bill Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998

                                          "Iraq is a long way from [here], but what happens there matters a great
                                          deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear,
                                          chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest
                                          security threat we face."

                                          --Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998

                                          "He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times
                                          since 1983."

                                          --Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998

                                          "[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the
                                          U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if
                                          appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond
                                          effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction
                                          programs."

                                          Letter to President Clinton, signed by:

                                          -- Democratic Senators Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, and others, Oct.
                                          9, 1998

                                          "Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass
                                          destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has
                                          made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."

                                          -Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998

                                          "Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass
                                          destruction and palaces for his cronies."

                                          -- Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999

                                          "There is no doubt that ... Saddam Hussein has reinvigorated his weapons
                                          programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs
                                          continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam
                                          continues to redefine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a
                                          licit missile program to develop longer-range missiles that will threaten the
                                          United States and our allies."

                                          Letter to President Bush, Signed by:

                                          -- Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), and others, Dec 5, 2001

                                          "We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a
                                          threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandate of
                                          the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and th! e means
                                          of delivering them."

                                          -- Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002

                                          "We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical
                                          weapons throughout his country."

                                          -- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

                                          "Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to
                                          deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in
                                          power."

                                          -- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

                                          "We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and
                                          developing weapons of mass destruction."

                                          -- Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002

                                          "The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are
                                          confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and
                                          biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build
                                          up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports
                                          indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..."

                                          -- Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002

                                          "I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority
                                          to use force -- if necessary -- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that
                                          a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and
                                          grave threat to our security."

                                          -- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002

                                          "There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working
                                          aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons
                                          within the next five years ... We also should remember we have always
                                          underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass
                                          destruction."

                                          -- Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002

                                          "He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years,
                                          every significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy
                                          his chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has
                                          refused to do"

                                          -- Rep. Henry Waxman (D, CA), Oct. 10, 2002

                                          "In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show
                                          that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons
                                          stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also
                                          given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members ...
                                          It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to
                                          increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep
                                          trying to develop nuclear weapons."

                                          -- Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002

                                          "We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that
                                          Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity
                                          for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction."

                                          -- Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002

                                          "Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal,
                                          murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly
                                          grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And
                                          now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his
                                          consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam
                                          Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real..."

                                          -- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003

                                          Now remind me just who recommended going to Iraq even before Bush was President? And did not President Bush have the voted support of the Congress for all his actions in Iraq and Afghanistan? And who supported the money to fund the conflicts...that is right the Congress.

                                          • 3 votes
                                          #16.10 - Mon Nov 5, 2012 1:54 AM EST

                                          Wow, are you in the running for lamest posts of the day?

                                          You open with some stupid equivocation of 9/11 with Sandy, then follow it up with the apples and oranges thing about Iraq. Truly amazing. Guess we can all see why you would vote for Romney.

                                          • 3 votes
                                          #16.11 - Mon Nov 5, 2012 4:00 AM EST

                                          Leftwing....you are an absolute moron. Your replies have nothing to do with the original posts and all you can do is regurgitate all the same democratic sayings. You have avoided every single fact in any of these posts and replied with idiotic comments about being a Romney supporter. And yes, I am downgrading myself to your name calling level, you are a complete idiot and your posts are complete nonsense.

                                          Good grief, at least some of the other liberals posts are amusing, yours are like reading a fifth grader's posting.

                                            #16.12 - Mon Nov 5, 2012 12:39 PM EST
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                                            Don't worry. Now that David Axelrod
                                            has described the message coming from President Barack Obama days before election
                                            Day as "coming from his loins," all will be well!

                                            With advisors like that President O can't fail!

                                            • 8 votes
                                            Reply#17 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 8:17 PM EST

                                            Votecfor Revenge!!!

                                            • 1 vote
                                            #17.1 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 8:39 PM EST

                                            Wes Fly:

                                            I must have missed that one... can ya tell me, or give me a link to find it. I really would like to know what he ahd to say. Thanks.

                                              #17.2 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 9:16 PM EST
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                                              The ugliest nightmare scenario: Morph the illusionist stealing the election.

                                              Not going to happen tho....the President will be re-elected, thank God.

                                              • 24 votes
                                              Reply#18 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 8:18 PM EST

                                              Dream on!

                                              • 8 votes
                                              #18.1 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 8:34 PM EST
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                                              Comment author avatarcheryl - michigan-3487677Expand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

                                              Kissing @ss to the storm victims just before election? What a joke. Six months ago you would have NOT made time for them. You are artificial. Surprised you did not have an appointment with DWTS! Go to Hollywood Mr. Obama with all the other artificial people there. I can not believe you still take time out from the work you should have, could have been doing for the USA, just to show up on a talk show, 4 years worth of that crap. Where are you and where have you been or done, with any so called priorities in the past 4 years? Goodbye, Goodbye, Goodbye, Goodbye, Goodbye, Goodbye, Goodbye. 4 more years of your bs celebrity life, artificial concerns for US citizens, more time for celebs than your fellow man- I don't think so. Hey I know a casting director that loves to hire people that can convince the audience (USA citizens), that he is something he is NOT. We know that, gracefully bow out- sick of you

                                              • 15 votes
                                              Reply#19 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 8:19 PM EST

                                              Sorry the storm was poorly timed for you, cheryl - care to make any more nonsensical posts? Where is your post attacking Romney for his phony canned food thing or Ryan for pretending to wash pots and pans?

                                              • 10 votes
                                              #19.1 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 11:40 PM EST

                                              Did anyone open these so called phoney cans. . .? I thought not you hatefull Bully Romney has givin more to charity in a year than Obama has in 4 yrs.

                                              Gov. And Mrs. Romney's complete 2011 tax return is now available below, in addition to their complete 2010 tax return.

                                              The Romneys have provided extensive information about their personal finances, including over 1,200 pages of federal tax returns that are now public on this website.

                                              Also posted is a letter from the Romneys' tax preparer, PricewaterhouseCoopers, LLP, which gives an overview of the Romneys' tax returns covering an additional 20 years, from 1990-2009.

                                              Governor Romney's tax returns show:

                                              First, as a successful businessman, Governor Romney has not only added value to our economy through his investment and business activity, but he has paid millions in taxes every year to the U.S. government.

                                              Second, the Romneys take to heart "to whom much is given, of him shall much be required." Accordingly, they have been generous in their charitable giving, donating over $7 million between 2010-2011 – donating more to charity than they paid in federal income taxes.

                                              Third, Mitt Romney has scrupulously complied with the U.S. tax code, and his income is reported and taxed at the applicable rates, and he has paid 100 percent of what he has owed.

                                              In addition, Gov. Romney has released nine financial disclosures since 2002, which are also posted on this site. There are 3 federal Public Financial Disclosures (from 2007, 2011, and 2012), and 6 Massachusetts Statements of Financial Interests (from 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, and 2007).

                                              With a decade's worth of financial disclosure documents and the Romneys' recent tax returns, the American people have extensive information about their personal finances, above and beyond what is required by the law.

                                              This site also includes Congressman Paul Ryan's financial information. Posted are tax returns from 2011 and 2010 for Paul and Janna Ryan, as well as 14 federal Public Financial Disclosures covering 1999-2012.

                                              Additionally, there are now physician letters for both Gov. Romney and Rep. Ryan, making public their physical condition and medical history. These letters are being provided in the interest of public disclosure.

                                              Health Disclosures

                                              Mitt Romney
                                              Physician's Letter on Mitt Romney's Health
                                              Viewâ–º
                                              Paul Ryan
                                              Physician's Letter on Paul Ryan's Health
                                              Viewâ–º
                                              2011 Returns

                                              Mitt & Ann Romney
                                              2011 Return
                                              Viewâ–º
                                              Mitt Romney Trust
                                              2011 Return
                                              Viewâ–º
                                              Ann Romney Trust
                                              2011 Return
                                              Viewâ–º
                                              Family Trust
                                              2011 Return
                                              Viewâ–º
                                              Mitt & Ann Romney
                                              2011 Estimated Return
                                              Viewâ–º
                                              Paul & Janna Ryan
                                              2011 Return
                                              Viewâ–º
                                              2010 Returns

                                              Mitt & Ann Romney
                                              2010 Return
                                              Viewâ–º
                                              Mitt Romney Trust
                                              2010 Return
                                              Viewâ–º
                                              Ann Romney Trust
                                              2010 Return
                                              Viewâ–º
                                              Family Trust
                                              2010 Return
                                              Viewâ–º
                                              Tyler Charitable Foundation
                                              2010 Estimated Return
                                              Viewâ–º
                                              Paul & Janna Ryan
                                              2010 Return
                                              Viewâ–º

                                                #19.2 - Mon Nov 5, 2012 1:21 AM EST

                                                How many times are you going to post this useless nonsense? At least three times on this first page, all with no actual links, but taking up a ton of room. Proud of yourself?

                                                Were the cans empty. Probably not. Was the act empty? Yep. And the organizations asking for help specifically said they DID NOT WANT CANNED GOODS. But I'm sure you and Romney know better.

                                                Romney gave more than Obama? Shocking! Of course, Romney makes a lot more than Obama and is required by the Mormons to donate 10% to the church, but don't let anybody know about that.

                                                Your posts are beyond feeble.

                                                • 6 votes
                                                #19.3 - Mon Nov 5, 2012 1:27 AM EST

                                                Google it or Bing it, Im not the Government Im not holding your hand.And the Mormon church does not check their tax returns,(really) and he donated in the 40-45%range of his income because he can afford it and so could Obama 2 books a Senators pension and Benny's plus the Presidency speaking engagements,investments ect.You just don't want to know the truth, none of the left wants to,from tax returns to Who Obama has associated himself with(extremists of all kinds) his background,Benghazi the list boggles the mind.
                                                And maybe it's you that is feeble,your unable to discount with facts,that what Im saying is not true,I didn't make it up,others did the research and it can be verified,try it with Obama and Michelle's background and who there influences were.Go On just try it. . .NutJob

                                                • 1 vote
                                                #19.4 - Mon Nov 5, 2012 2:21 AM EST

                                                President speaking engagements? Where do you come up with this garbage?

                                                • 2 votes
                                                #19.5 - Mon Nov 5, 2012 4:02 AM EST

                                                Once again left wing, ignore facts and everything relevant in a post, pick a word you don't like, and then state the entire post is garbage. You are so ridiculous it's becoming hilarious. Talk about feeble attempts at sounding like an educated voter, you take the cake!

                                                • 1 vote
                                                #19.6 - Mon Nov 5, 2012 12:44 PM EST
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                                                In at least 4 NC counties there have already been problems with votes for Romney going to Obama. Why do we not insist that these countries that we get to have elections have an Electoral College system? Possibly because we know it doesn't work. All the countries that Jimmy Carter acted as a monitor for, simply went by popular vote and there was none of this Electoral College crap. This election is going to be so screwed up it will take forever to decide who won. Obama has successfully split this country the likes of which haven't been seen since the Civil War. If they lose the Democrats will fight harder than Assad to stay in power.

                                                • 11 votes
                                                Reply#20 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 8:23 PM EST

                                                Obama didn't cause the partisanship. Republicans in Congress did.

                                                • 25 votes
                                                #20.1 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 8:43 PM EST

                                                And we all know what a Methodist is... Just read up on what they believe.

                                                  #20.2 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 9:19 PM EST

                                                  Wade -

                                                  The electoral college is called for in our Constitution. If you don't like it, you are welcome to start an amendment to do away with it. It may even succeed.

                                                  • 6 votes
                                                  #20.3 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 9:56 PM EST

                                                  Times running out,

                                                  What a Methodist is? One was Bush, and his presidential center (whatever the taxpayers are funding there?) is at Southern Methodist.

                                                  • 3 votes
                                                  #20.4 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 10:20 PM EST
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                                                  Randolf Kendallvia FacebookDeleted

                                                  Don't worry. Now that David Axelrod has described the message coming from President Barack Obama days before election Day as "coming from his loins," all will be well! With advisers like that President O can't fail!

                                                  • 3 votes
                                                  Reply#22 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 8:23 PM EST

                                                  Hey Wes

                                                  You must really get off on that whole "loins" thing to post multiple times

                                                  Gotta love right wingers and what makes them tick

                                                  Like flip flopney pissing off our biggest ally and coming home with the name Mitt The Twitt.

                                                  Hahhahahah

                                                  • 16 votes
                                                  #22.1 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 8:31 PM EST

                                                  Sorry. Sign in stuck.

                                                  I had to look up "loins".

                                                  And behold, he did thinketh of voting for revenge in his loins, and blew it out his a??? There. That feels better.

                                                  • 4 votes
                                                  #22.2 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 8:43 PM EST
                                                  Comment author avatarTimes-Running-OutExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

                                                  Common Sense- 4 U

                                                  PROVE IT....

                                                  Polly Want a Cracker?

                                                    #22.3 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 9:24 PM EST

                                                    No more crack..ers for you!

                                                    • 2 votes
                                                    #22.4 - Mon Nov 5, 2012 12:37 AM EST
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                                                    Obama will be spending time in the clink. Allowing the murder of our US citizens. Obama wll be brought up on treason charges and inpeached.

                                                    Gun running weapons into Turkey and supplying our enemy the al Qaeda. Nice obozo-

                                                    • 14 votes
                                                    Reply#23 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 8:27 PM EST

                                                    Yanke is living in fantasy Rush whack job planet

                                                    Too bad Rush eats all the food and drugs where you live

                                                    Hahahahhaahhaahhaahah

                                                    • 14 votes
                                                    #23.1 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 8:38 PM EST

                                                    Yankees drank the kool aid. What demented rubbish.

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                                                    #23.2 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 8:44 PM EST

                                                    "inpeached"? You mean he is going to be dunked in a tub of crushed peaches?

                                                    • 10 votes
                                                    #23.3 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 8:47 PM EST
                                                    Comment author avatarTimes-Running-OutExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

                                                    Common Sense- 4 U

                                                    PROVE IT....

                                                    Polly Want a Cracker?

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                                                    #23.4 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 9:25 PM EST

                                                    Yank,

                                                    Oh, so that is where Bush has been after he allowed the deaths of 3000 US citizens in the terrorist attacks of 911 which he did nothing to prevent in spite of many warnings, and then for the deaths of thousands more US citizens in Iraq that war that he got started under the false pretenses. Oh, okay, now we know where he has been.

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                                                    #23.5 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 10:28 PM EST

                                                    You mean like when Reagan was doing his gun running and then when he murdered all those soldiers at the barracks in Lebanon? Is that what you mean, yankees9? It was hard to tell, as your post was just lightly difficult to comprehend.

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                                                    #23.6 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 11:48 PM EST

                                                    Think again, it might just be your guy who may be spending some time in the slammer.

                                                    Here are just a couple of possible investigations for you to chew on overnight:

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                                                    #23.7 - Mon Nov 5, 2012 12:44 AM EST
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                                                    Typical ultra-lib noise, guy-2789881. Why don't you save your breath and make a quick run to DC to kiss OBama's butt one last time.

                                                    • 10 votes
                                                    Reply#24 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 8:28 PM EST

                                                    Also apparently in search of how to reply to a post...

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                                                    #24.1 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 11:50 PM EST

                                                    Ya know all the Libs replies amount to "I KNOW YOU ARE BUT WHAT AM I" They can never answer a question it's allways deflected . . .in case you missed it here are Romneys And Ryan's Tax returns. . .you guys keep screaming about them go read them for Pete sake they have been avail for months the lame stream media just keeps the spin and lies going and you guys just won't wake up.
                                                    Gov. And Mrs. Romney's complete 2011 tax return is now available below, in addition to their complete 2010 tax return.

                                                    The Romneys have provided extensive information about their personal finances, including over 1,200 pages of federal tax returns that are now public on this website.

                                                    Also posted is a letter from the Romneys' tax preparer, PricewaterhouseCoopers, LLP, which gives an overview of the Romneys' tax returns covering an additional 20 years, from 1990-2009.

                                                    Governor Romney's tax returns show:

                                                    First, as a successful businessman, Governor Romney has not only added value to our economy through his investment and business activity, but he has paid millions in taxes every year to the U.S. government.

                                                    Second, the Romneys take to heart "to whom much is given, of him shall much be required." Accordingly, they have been generous in their charitable giving, donating over $7 million between 2010-2011 – donating more to charity than they paid in federal income taxes.

                                                    Third, Mitt Romney has scrupulously complied with the U.S. tax code, and his income is reported and taxed at the applicable rates, and he has paid 100 percent of what he has owed.

                                                    In addition, Gov. Romney has released nine financial disclosures since 2002, which are also posted on this site. There are 3 federal Public Financial Disclosures (from 2007, 2011, and 2012), and 6 Massachusetts Statements of Financial Interests (from 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, and 2007).

                                                    With a decade's worth of financial disclosure documents and the Romneys' recent tax returns, the American people have extensive information about their personal finances, above and beyond what is required by the law.

                                                    This site also includes Congressman Paul Ryan's financial information. Posted are tax returns from 2011 and 2010 for Paul and Janna Ryan, as well as 14 federal Public Financial Disclosures covering 1999-2012.

                                                    Additionally, there are now physician letters for both Gov. Romney and Rep. Ryan, making public their physical condition and medical history. These letters are being provided in the interest of public disclosure.

                                                    Health Disclosures

                                                    Mitt Romney
                                                    Physician's Letter on Mitt Romney's Health
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                                                    Paul Ryan
                                                    Physician's Letter on Paul Ryan's Health
                                                    Viewâ–º
                                                    2011 Returns

                                                    Mitt & Ann Romney
                                                    2011 Return
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                                                    Mitt Romney Trust
                                                    2011 Return
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                                                    Ann Romney Trust
                                                    2011 Return
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                                                    Family Trust
                                                    2011 Return
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                                                    Mitt & Ann Romney
                                                    2011 Estimated Return
                                                    Viewâ–º
                                                    Paul & Janna Ryan
                                                    2011 Return
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                                                    2010 Returns

                                                    Mitt & Ann Romney
                                                    2010 Return
                                                    Viewâ–º
                                                    Mitt Romney Trust
                                                    2010 Return
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                                                    Ann Romney Trust
                                                    2010 Return
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                                                    Family Trust
                                                    2010 Return
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                                                    Tyler Charitable Foundation
                                                    2010 Estimated Return
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                                                    Paul & Janna Ryan
                                                    2010 Return
                                                    Viewâ–º

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                                                    #24.2 - Mon Nov 5, 2012 1:30 AM EST

                                                    Look, he can post the same thing over and over again. He must be proud of his copied post with all those links that aren't there. Special, huh?

                                                    • 4 votes
                                                    #24.3 - Mon Nov 5, 2012 4:04 AM EST
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                                                    No one is sure who will win. I hope it is a blow out so no one can argue the results.

                                                    As a country we had better unite instead of being so divided. A divided country is doomed to fail. Obama had his chance to unite the people, but he has divided us even farther apart. He is not good for this country.

                                                    • 16 votes
                                                    Reply#25 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 8:29 PM EST

                                                    I have to agree with you. Obama was the "Divider in Chief." The fact that Obama is running neck and neck with Romney (with all his flaws) is a testament to how bad of a President Obama turned out to be. He had plenty of help from Pelosi and Reid though.

                                                    • 15 votes
                                                    #25.1 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 8:39 PM EST

                                                    It's also a testament to how stupid Americans have become. We used to be smart people, but we have lowered our standards so many times to be 'politically correct' that educated is not an adjective used to describe us anymore. An educated voter is the last thing the Democrats want. They want simpleton little minions that they can incite to vote their way. They want all of America to hate big and to despise rich, being jealous of your neighbor is tantamount to being a Democrat.

                                                    But at least we will all finally be equal.

                                                    Democrats, the party of victims.

                                                    • 9 votes
                                                    #25.2 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 9:43 PM EST

                                                    The real dividers have been with the Republican radio propaganda machine that continually mocks the poor and disadvantaged, belittles and absolutely mocks anyone who is having hard times, derides people of lower intelligence who make bad decisions, spews out extreme hate-filled messages about "liberals" as if it was the most vile thing on earth is to be liberal and care about others and to care enough about the poor and vulnerable to want stable government programs to help poor, old, extremely ill, or handicapped people. And this Republican radio propaganda machine repeats this over and over and over in a brainwashing fashion day after day after day. It has definitely been a major contributor to total intolerance of others' opinions and the extent of division in the USA today.

                                                    • 13 votes
                                                    #25.3 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 10:44 PM EST

                                                    You must be hearing voices in your head, what Republican radio propaganda machine are you referring to? You are aware that you can change channels on a radio.

                                                    Perhaps you've been channeling Barack Husein's BS or maybe you just live in California.

                                                    Hows all the liberal ideas working there?

                                                    Democrats, the party of victims.

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                                                    #25.4 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 10:57 PM EST

                                                    Sorry, Mr. Clown, the voices are not in your head they are hate-filled, angry voices of Rush Limbaugh, Hannity among others mocking the poor and disadvantaged and all other Americans who are not Republican or who they perceive as "liberal" and especially those who believe government should help its citizens survive hard times, disaster, etc.

                                                    Yes, many intelligent people do not listen to hate-filled rubbish, but many do and become brainwashed intolerant people who hate anyone who is not a Democrat or who they perceive is liberal and these brainwashed people learn to mock the poor and disadvantaged. What hypocrites!! They claim to be so religious yet mock their Creator and His Created.

                                                    • 11 votes
                                                    #25.5 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 11:05 PM EST

                                                    Yes, many are intelligent enough to turn the radio dial to something worthwhile, but the ones who do not often become brainwashed with hatred toward the poor and disadvantaged and mock the poor. What hypocrites! They claim to be religious and yet mock God.

                                                    • 8 votes
                                                    #25.6 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 11:14 PM EST

                                                    You just explained everything, sorry for your problems.

                                                    Democrats, the party of victims.

                                                    • 3 votes
                                                    #25.7 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 11:26 PM EST

                                                    Yes, the Republican party has become the totally intolerant party who hates and mocks the poor, anyone who is not Republican (Democrat is a typo above) and anyone who wants the best for their country not just the richest 5%.

                                                    Repubs, the party of the Obama victims. "Obama did it. Obama made him do it!!"

                                                    Thankfully, Obama got the economy turned around in a sensible, slow but steady way. However, the bailouts caused a lot of debt, including the Bush bank bailout, but now we have to pay for the debt including the trillions from the repub wars, after effects of 911, the repub unfunded Medicare D and the only way to do that is to tax and tax those who can afford it the most, including those job providers to third-world and communist countries because they do not want to pay wages to pay for the high American cost of living.

                                                    So, what are my problems??? This should be amusing.

                                                    • 8 votes
                                                    #25.8 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 11:29 PM EST

                                                    Delusional ?No Common since ? Brainwashed with half truths ,uninformed ?Tunnel vision? Im not a Dr. So it's just a guess,you should see somebody about your need for someone to rob you and take control of your life though,because that's what Obama is doing/done.
                                                    O done 2012

                                                    Romney/ Ryan 2012 ! Yes We Will!!!!

                                                    • 2 votes
                                                    #25.9 - Mon Nov 5, 2012 1:45 AM EST

                                                    Did anyone watch 60 minutes tonite reid called out mconnell and bohner but mconnel did not dispute it.

                                                    • 1 vote
                                                    #25.10 - Mon Nov 5, 2012 1:56 AM EST

                                                    Now that is a good one, Reid calling out anyone, He should deal with himself, first.

                                                      #25.11 - Mon Nov 5, 2012 5:38 AM EST

                                                      Realist

                                                      and the funny thing is that when your gal ran in Nevada Reid won

                                                      • 1 vote
                                                      #25.12 - Mon Nov 5, 2012 9:34 AM EST

                                                      Obama is not responsible for the divisiveness! This was caused by Congress. If the Democrats are in power they will not work with the Republicans and vice versa. The next election, the staying power of the political group is much more important than moving our country forward.

                                                      Romney will not unite us. How can he when his main concern is for the rich????

                                                      Bye, bye Romney. May this be the last time we see your sorry as* face in politics. Go do what you say you do best which is run a business, outsource and make millions for yourself. America is not one of your businesses.

                                                      Women for America. Obama/Biden 2012!

                                                      • 3 votes
                                                      #25.13 - Mon Nov 5, 2012 1:32 PM EST
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                                                      Election day nightmare scenerio #1 = o'hussein gets back in to complete his goal of destroying America from the inside and turning it into a totalitarian communist state .

                                                      • 10 votes
                                                      Reply#26 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 8:29 PM EST

                                                      Poll watching would not have been necessary had it not been for the black panthers and ACORN committing fraud and bullying in 2008.

                                                      • 8 votes
                                                      #26.1 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 8:36 PM EST

                                                      Right, Farideh, there's never been election fraud in the history of the world before 2--or was it 4?--Black Panthers showed up. I really try to have compassion for you, but you keep passing out reasons why I shouldn't.

                                                      • 10 votes
                                                      #26.2 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 10:25 PM EST

                                                      2. It takes two guys to freak out the right.

                                                      The fraud committed was against ACORN, by the way, not by them. Ah, revisionist history. So sorry to see the poor victims of the right scared to death by two black guys at one polling place years ago and an organization that doesn't even exist anymore.

                                                      • 8 votes
                                                      #26.3 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 11:55 PM EST

                                                      Who is freaked out? Checkout this story on Democrat voter fraud.

                                                      "Videographer James O’Keefe’s Project Veritas caught an official for President Barack Obama’s re-election campaign helping who she thought was an Obama supporter set herself up to vote more than once in November.

                                                      www.dailycaller.com/2012/10/10/new-okeefe-video-obama-campaign-staffer-caught-helping-activist-vote-twice/#ixzz28vrrk4Vy

                                                      Next

                                                      • 2 votes
                                                      #26.4 - Mon Nov 5, 2012 2:08 AM EST

                                                      Yeah, that retort has a TON to do with ACORN and those two scary guys. Pure genius. But at least you are elitist enough to follow your redirection posts with "next" or "dismissed" or some other sophomoric inanity.

                                                      • 3 votes
                                                      #26.5 - Mon Nov 5, 2012 4:06 AM EST

                                                      So in Liberal Speak it is ok to intimadate votes for the right, but it is totally evel to do the same to the left. Liberals ok's anything that achevies thier goal, of socialism.

                                                      • 1 vote
                                                      #26.6 - Mon Nov 5, 2012 5:22 AM EST

                                                      hush you sound like an ignorant fool

                                                      • 2 votes
                                                      #26.7 - Mon Nov 5, 2012 8:07 AM EST
                                                      JoshOSUDeleted

                                                      Liberal racist.

                                                      Josh, pick one. Can't be both.

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                                                      #26.9 - Mon Nov 5, 2012 9:33 AM EST

                                                      Liberals can most certainly be racist. If you don't think so, you're oblivious to reality... Then again, you are a liberal so I guess that's obvious.

                                                      • 5 votes
                                                      #26.10 - Mon Nov 5, 2012 10:10 AM EST

                                                      Liberals can be racist, their hearts just aint in it like that of the conservatives. Hatred is their master.

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                                                      #26.11 - Mon Nov 5, 2012 3:25 PM EST
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