Romney said last year that he would end FEMA:

And that it would be "immoral" for the federal goverment to fund disaster releif without cutting funding elsewhere.

PLEASE NOTE THAT: Paul Ryan opposed President Obama's work to build funding for disaster relief into the Budget.

The President was working to get around response DELAYS to the disaster last year -- CAUSED BY Eric Cantor and congressional Tea Partiers.

When Obama needed the SEALS, they delivered.

When the SEALS needed Obama, he went to Vegas.

ROMNEY/RYAN 2012!

Glad to see the Pres. in the WH, doing his job.

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Or at least appearing to do his job during the WH photo ops.

Glad to see the Pres. in the WH, doing his job.

Or at least appearing to do his

I see our Sununu racists are posting full steam ahead with their lazy Black man implications.

ROMNEY JUMPED THE GUN several times on Benghazi.

*AND IF HE IS CAPABLE OF IT*, Romney should be well aware of his gross errors by now. Romney didn't mention Libya in the final debate.

Romney stuck his neck under the chopping block, when he attacked the President even BEFORE the attack happened in Libya. So after Romney doubled down on his misinformation - he started making things up. (Surprise!)

Condoleeza Rice came out in support of President Obama, and the Libya meme. Ms. Rice, as former Secretary of State, knows that Intel. is something that comes, fluctuates, and has to be patiently followed down.

Ambassadors put themselves at risk, that's what they do. There were many attacks on Reagan's and GWB's watches, and at LEAST ONE SIMILAR DEATH on President Bush's watch.

So Romney is using his campaign bus to evacuate people and deliver supplies while 0bama is prepping for a photo-op.

Glad to see the Pres. in the WH, doing his job.

now he wants to be president, how convenient. I have to agree with Albany Joe, never a missed photo op.

RedDev, what, oh WHAT was racist about that comment???? The race card is all you have left??????

Oscar, so glad you agree that President Obama is a hard working president.

Backdoor, Romney was right to criticize the Egypt embassy for their apology for our first amendment.

That was a pathetic response to a hostile action.

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Anyone especially Romney who criticizes 0bama for his handling or lying about the Libya attack is absolutely right. Now we are hearing that 0bama was watching live feeds in the situation room and still did nothing to save them. The SEALs had to disobey orders and run half a mile to the consulate to rescue survivors. Then once the SEALs got back to the CIA location they came under attack for several hours with more unanswered calls for help.

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It's starting to look like 0bama wanted this attack to go down the way it did.

Red Dev, "lazy black man"? This is the stuff that is in your head. Liberals can find racism in a pb&j sandwich.

Does it just suck being you and seeing racism everywhere you look?

Did you mother call you a racist for asking for a glass of milk with dinner?

pay no mind to RedDev, its all he has left. Any reasonable person that reads can see no racism or innuendo was suggested. its just a lowly attempt to paint anyone that disagress or doesnt like Obama a racist and drum up controversy

Backdoor, stop lying. 0bama planned to cut disaster relief in his sequester proposal.

As Hurricane Sandy approaches the northeast United States, the left is attempting to politicize the storm, attacking Republican nominee Mitt Romney and his running mate, Rep. Paul Ryan (R-WI), for wanting to shift more responsibility for disaster relief from the federal government to the states.

They ignore the fact that President Barack Obama's proposal for the upcoming budget sequester would cut nearly $900 million from the Federal Emergency Management Agency, including disaster relief, food and shelter, and flood management at both the federal and state levels.

The cuts, detailed on pages 94 through 96 of the White House's sequestration proposal, released in mid-September, show how far the Obama administration has been willing to go in order to preserve the idea of tax hikes on "millionaires and billionaires" rather than reaching a comprehensive grand bargain on deficit reduction that does not place additional burdens on the economy or essential services.

As Bob Woodward notes in his definitive account of the debt ceiling negotiations, such a bargain was within reach in July 2011, before President Obama destroyed it.

Obama's proposed cuts to FEMA include the following (emphasis added):

• Flood Hazard Mapping and Risk Analysis Program - $8 million
• State and Local Emergency Programs (non-defense) - $183 million
• State and Local Emergency Programs (defense) - $5 million
• United States Fire Administration and Training - $4 million
• Salaries and Expenses (non-defense) - $75 million
• Salaries and Expenses (defense) - $7 million
• Disaster Relief - $580 million
• Emergency Food and Shelter - $10 million
• Radiological Emergency Preparedness Program - $3 million
• National Pre-disaster Mitigation Fund - $3 million

These cuts likely underestimate the total cuts proposed to disaster relief functions, since the U.S. armed forces--subject to separate cuts in Obama's sequester proposals--frequently provide support to FEMA operations, as well as essential search and rescue services.

The White House sequestration proposal also warns: "The Federal Emergency Management Agency’s ability to respond to incidents of terrorism and other catastrophic events would be undermined."

While Romney and Ryan are merely proposing to shift some of the emergency functions to the states, or to balance further increases in FEMA funding with offsetting cuts in other discretionary spending, Obama has proposed actual cuts, at both the federal and state levels.

During the Third Presidential Debate, Obama attempted to blame Congress for introducing the idea of the sequester, and said that sequester cuts are "not going to happen." However, as Woodward notes, the sequester was Obama's idea, and he subsequently signed it into law in the Budget Control Act. In addition, Obama privately continues to tout the sequesteras proof that he is capable of reducing the budget deficit.

What the left and the media are trying to do--once again--is to politicize a natural disaster. It is worth noting that Romney visited the regions affected by Hurricane Isaac in August long before Obama did. Obama, in fact, spent days campaigning elsewhere while the storm and its aftermath ravaged the Gulf Coast.

Only when he was shamed by Romney's example did Obama cancel campaign events and accelerate his trip to the region--three days after Romney had already been and gone.

Obama has also shown a singular disinterest in other natural disasters, from the earliest days of his presidency; his newfound interest is an election-season phenomenon.

It is precisely Obama's reckless spending and mismanagement that has placed FEMA in the budget-cutting crosshairs.

Democrats and their media allies would be well advised to train their criticism on the White House, which has already proposed sweeping and damaging cuts to FEMA that will soon take effect, rather than using Hurricane Sandy as yet another misguided attempt to use natural disasters to bash Republicans.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/10/29/Obama-s-Sequester-Slashes-Funds-for-FEMA-Flood-Management

RedDev: Oscar, so glad you agree that President Obama is a hard working president.

WTF?!?!???!???!????!!!!! How the heck did you come up with that? For the life of me, I CANNOT comprehend liberal minds. You pulled the race card. I called you out for it. And this is your response?? Please explain to this "low information" conservative. THX.

With FEMA and any arm of the government, a reexamination of public service and outcome is always prudent. All well run organizations review programs, their efficiencies and effectiveness, and make adjustments accordingly. The difference is Romney will be bipartisan, unlike ObamaCare which was ramrodded without any bipartisan support.

The private sector almost always does a better job than government run programs. The well run companies such as Fed Ex and UPS come to mind, versus standing in a 30 minute line for one worker at the US post office.

I do want a leader willing to put anything on the table, that needs reexamination, including our military spending and EPA regulations. Nothing should be sacred.

Romney/Ryan 2012

Maybe Katrina taught the lesson, and you @!$%#ers will try and find a way to exploit this tragedy as well.

President Obama is VERY concerned. This could cost his benefactor friends at Goldman Sachs and JP Morgan a lot of money

Questions for you "Benghazi critics." If Romney is elected, do you think he will prevent all Americans everywhere, especially the ones serving in dangerous places, from being killed? Are you saying there will be ZERO American deaths abroad if Romney serves as President? Just wondering, because Romney sure seems to be on a warpath. It is difficult to keep anyone from dying when you go on a warpath, especially when you look at the advisors that Romney has- the same ones that led us into Iraq for the most part. Let's see. How many Americans were killed in Iraq needlessly? Shall we pick apart every single American death in Iraq and Afghanistan that occurred under the GOP watch? Were our troops being properly supported at all times? Was correct information regarding every death immediately released to the public every time? Looking at it with 20-20 hindsight vision, was every decision made the correct one? Or is it just when a Democratic president is in charge and it is almost election time that you become so enraged over such things? Remember an American patriot named Pat Tillman? Did the GOP advisors and President handle his death correctly? OK so Obama has 1 possible mishandling of a foreign tragedy involving American lives, something which occurs in this world, unfortunately. We still don't know exactly what happened I might point out. How many of these tragedies do Romney's henchmen have in their history?

As usual nothing from the RWNJ's that actually concerns the post above. Glad Romney is collecting for the Red Cross in his bus. Wonder if it will actually make it where it needs to go given his penchant for stating he'll do something good for the country and then backing away from it.

"I am not worried at this point on the impact on the election," he said. "I'm worried about the impact on families and our first responders."

I'm glad he's focused on that right now, Spanky. As we all should be. Nice that you take your top spot and turn it back into another Fox talking point.

Obama/Biden 2012

rapidrush:

Remember, these are the same guys who will point the finger at Obama for "lying" and turn around to vote for Romney.

This is akin to saying that a wolf is a dangerous animal, then running in the direction of a crocodile for safety.

obama is a born liar....

Obama and his cronies are liars and misleading the American people on the Bain, China attack ad. Mitt left Bain at the time the jobs went to China. Hey!! Mr. Obama I find you and your Base hypocirtes on this issue. Obama can knock Mitt and insult him on the Bain/China issue which is false and yet it's ok for this President to borrow billions $$$$$$$$$ from China to pay for this country's bills? I find Obama and his Liberals so narrow minded and pitiful. Obama has no HONOR/INTEGRITY like the Fast and furious scandal and the Lybia scandal which led American's to die, do to Obama's lack of leadership.

Elliot Sununu... Ceasar Sununu... Oscar Sununu... lol You kids sure do respond well to the dog whistlers! Sorry the President looks all uppity to you while he performs the job, you idiots. You can't even tell how obvious you are!

Too bad Scrubney's out there wandering around in the storm trying to find the money-making angle on it.

oops! I missed a spot... McPaddywack Sununu... Piegan Sununu...

bye bye chick binder, tick tock little buddy.

Here is the new left talking point of the day. Disagree with Obama, critisize Obama, dislike Obama and you're a racist. Hey chick binder please explain the logic again? Now before you answer look up circular logic.

and again nice knowing you Ruken

elliott,

romney is doing the grunt work, Obama is the brains of the operation.

White guy, do what the black guy tells you to do!

obama is playing the president for a change. How about the 4 dead Hero's. Liar, Liar Liar. Start packing obama it will be a long quite ride back to Chicago.

The GOP is the real Frankenstorm! We will all regret it if Romney is elected and here is why!!!

If you do not study history you are doomed to repeat it.

Fact: Right now Obama has the lowest level of violent crime in 40 years.

Fact: Crime follows poverty and not all people receiving benefits are able to work.

Fact: Romney has vowed to leave tens of millions with no medical, food or income. Romney will:

1) Repeal Obamacare, which would immediately kick about 17 million low-income earners and their family members off of Medicaid.

2) Create block grant Medicaid issued by state and cap its growth. Conservative governors and legislatures would limit enrollments and cut benefits substantially. Eventually it would lose 15-20 million people within a decade.

3) Reduce food stamps by more than $100 billion over the next decade. This would reduce enrollment by at least 8 million people.

4) Cut funding for Planned Parenthood and other reproductive health organizations. More babies born to poverty.

Fact: Reagan made cuts to welfare and food stamps. But they were far less than Romney who will put tens of millions on the streets in a few short years.

Reagan caused robbery, assault, theft, vehicle theft, larceny, drug related crime to go up. It did not slow down until Clinton.

Reagan holds the 60 year high for violent crime that followed cuts to the poor.

WARNING - Romney will far exceed that with his deep cuts!

FACT: Under Romney, the poor who have NOTHING will victimize those with money. The middle class schools, neighborhoods, the cities, anywhere money is, crime will flourish!

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Vote Obama / Biden 2012 to maintain the 40 year lowest crime rate.
Source: Article on Wikipedia entitled, "Crime in the United States"

Jody-1593626 says:

When Obama needed the SEALS, they delivered.

When the SEALS needed Obama, he went to Vegas.

Best post I've seen in days.

Barry has proven himself to be without character, morals, ethics - and without a clue. Leaving the Seals and the Ambassador to die at the hands of terrorists and then to lie his butt off about it.

You'd have to be in total denial and with tunnel vision NOT to see it and NOT to admit it.....oh wait, it's the libbies that can't see it - right?

Go on, pretend the economy is getting better, that the 26 million out of work and the 16 million that have given up looking don't exist, that the last four years never happened, that it's STILL Bush's fault, that the 16 trillion in debt don't matter, that this time Barry will figure it out......better yet, WAKE UP!!

ROMNEY/RYAN 2012!

beakeeper: Now that was funny! I don't know if crime is as low as you say, but if it is, the only logical explanation is that there are so many people waiting in long lines to receive food stamps and other freebies. They just don't have time to commit crimes.

The only people I know who are racist are the people who vehemently deny their Racism. If someone were to call me Racist, I would ignore it. Common Pea Brains: Spanky, Ceasar salad , oscar, paddycrack, etc. Go Back to Fox. Where you can fantasize about cuddling close with your Grandma Sununu.

Updated as of 3:00pm EST on Monday, October 29:

Real Clear Politics (RCP) is consistently cited by both FOXNEWS and NBCNEWS as a current source for
reliable averaged polling data at every level of American politics.

RCP on Thursday returned North Carolina (NC) to the status of "toss-up state," and in so doing, reduced Romney's likely electoral vote tally from 206 to 191. However, Romney still holds an appreciable albeit softening lead of 3.0% in NC and remains the favorite to capture that state in the upcoming election.

In sum, RCP now considers the following eleven states, listed in descending order of electoral votes, as "toss-up": Florida (FL), Pennsylvania (PA), Ohio (OH), Michigan (MI), North Carolina (NC),Virginia (VA), Colorado (CO), Wisconsin (WI), Iowa IO), Nevada (NV) and New Hampshire (NH).

With only 177 hours left in the 2012 presidential campaign, Obama leads in seven of the toss-ups, Romney leads in two, and in CO and VA as of Saturday the candidates are now tied.

In descending order of 'percentage of lead' in favor of Obama, followed in ascending order of 'percentage of lead' in favor of Romney, here are the published averaged numbers from RCP as of 3:00pm EST today together with the FiveThirtyEight election night probability of victory for either candidate:

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In PA, with 20 electoral votes, Obama's lead is holding at 4.7%.

FiveThirtyEight currently gives Obama a 94.8% chance of winning PA, up from yesterday's 94.4%.

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In MI, with 16 electoral votes, Obama's lead is holding at 4.0%.

FiveThirtyEight currently gives Obama a 98.3% chance of winning MI, up from Saturday's 98.2%.

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In NV, with 6 electoral votes, Obama's lead is holding at 2.4%.

FiveThirtyEight currently gives Obama an 80.5% chance of winning NV, up from yesterday's 80.1%.

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In WI, with 10 electoral votes, Obama's lead is holding at 2.3%.

FiveThirtyEight currently gives Obama an 86.8% chance of winning WI, up from yesterday's 86.3%.

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In IO, with 6 electoral votes, Obama's lead is holding at 2.3%.

FiveThirtyEight currently gives Obama a 72.7% chance of winning IO, up from yesterday's 72.3%.

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In NH, with 4 electoral votes, Obama's lead is holding at 2.0%.

FiveThirtyEight currently gives Obama a 71.5% chance of winning NH, up from yesterday's 70.5%.

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In OH, with 18 electoral votes, Obama's lead has fallen to 1.9%, down from 2.1% yesterday.

Interestingly, FiveThirtyEight currently gives Obama a 74.9% chance of winning OH, up from yesterday's 73.5%.

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In VA, with 13 electoral votes, the race remains tied.

However, FiveThirtyEight currently gives Obama a 59.9% chance of winning VA, up from yesterday's 59.8%.

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In CO, with 9 electoral votes, the race remains tied.

However, FiveThirtyEight currently gives Obama a 58.2% chance of winning CO, up from yesterday's 57.7%.

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In FL, with 29 electoral votes, Romney's lead has fallen to 1.4%, down from 1.5% yesterday.

FiveThirtyEight currently gives Romney a 62.5% chance of winning FL, down from yesterday's 63.8%.

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In NC, with 15 electoral votes, Romney's lead has fallen to 3.0%, down significantly from yesterday's 3.8%.

FiveThirtyEight continues to give Romney an 82.5% chance of winning NC.

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So…

For Obama to win re-election, the easiest route still appears to be through maintaining his current lead in the four toss-up states in which his existing margins are widest, PA, MI, NV, and WI, together with OH where his lead has been hovering at a vulnerable 2.0% for the past few days. Doing so would bring his electoral vote total on Election Day to 271. In this scenario, Obama could still surpass 270 while failing to hold either IO or NH.

However, should Obama fail to hold OH, the loss could effectively be neutralized by any of the following combination of wins from states where FiveThirtyEight is currently predicting Obama victories:

Path #1: Obama loses OH but wins IO, NH, and CO resulting in 272 electoral votes.

Path #2: Obama loses OH but wins IO and VA resulting in 272 electoral votes.

Path #3: Obama loses OH but wins CO and VA resulting in 275 electoral votes.

However, regarding Path #1, there is some question as to the accuracy of the RCP polling numbers in NH which still include in their average a recent 'outlier' finding from UNH which had Obama leading by a questionable 9.0%.

For Romney to unseat Obama, he not only would have to hold the two states in which he presently leads, FL and NC, although his leads in these two states have been falling for days, bringing his electoral vote total to 235, but also steal victories in CO where his lead fell from 0.4% on Friday to that of dead heat, in VA where his lead fell from 1.0% Saturday to another dead heat, and finally with OH where Obama's lead fell this morning to 1.9%. By so doing, Romney's electoral vote total would reach 275.

Should Romney take CO and VA but fail to take OH, he could overcome this shortfall by stealing WI and either IO or NH, resulting respectively in an electoral vote total of 273 or 271.

With only 177 hours of campaigning left, this one may come down to the wire…. and to the October jobs report.

Let's hope that Election Day is free of both voter fraud and voter intimidation and that eligible voters who have registered in good faith over the past six months are in fact able to vote on November 6; let's also hope that vote tabulation itself is performed honestly and accurately by both the election commissions and private corporations to whom this essential role is being entrusted.

In any case, it will be interesting to watch as election night unfolds.

Unbelievable to hear the teatards accusing Obama of lying. Why right at this moment, Lyin Ryan is employing his shovel and fan at a Florida rally. They call the democrats sheep, but they're the ones who voted for dubbya...TWICE! And if dubbya was running again today, they would vote for him again. And just think, Romney is proposing nothing different from dubbya except even deeper tax cuts for the 1%. Talk about sheep! Why don't the Teatards have a problem with voter fraud and voter suppression when the republicans are blatantly doing it? No problems either with Romney's flipping and flopping. No problems with Romney not showing his 2009 tax return (even when there was amnesty for offshore undeclared income). But they want Obama's college records and passport application. Patriotic my arse, the teatards and republicans are crapping on the American flag and accuse others of not being unpatriotic. Disgusting! Right wing nut jobs accuse the democrats of "socialism" but the red states are the ones on welfare! Losers!

ELLIOT - IF YOU ARE PART OF THE 47%, IF YOU GOT NEAR MYTH ROBME'S BUS, HE WOULD NOT LET YOU ON, HE WOULD THROW YOU UNDER IT.

O & JOE, 2012 - MYTH ROBE 1040'S (he lies to the people of Mass about his state taxes, and he's lying now about his Fed taxes)

obama is playing the president for a change. How about the 4 dead Hero's.

that is reach. i guess just being american and being killed overseas makes you a "hero" now according to the right wing crazies

keep lingering on that and let the democrats do the real work for this country

4 more years! OBAMA 2012

I see our Sununu racists are posting full steam ahead with their lazy Black man implications

I cannot believe someone took the time to even type that................PATHETIC!

Obama met in the White House situation room in order to be “updated on the latest forecast for Hurricane Sandy and the extensive federal effort underway to support the state and local response to this historic storm," according to press secretary Jay Carney.

If the results of this meeting in the situation room are similar to the effort during the murder of Ambassador Stevens and our three other diplomats in Benghazi the East coast is doomed.

ROMNEY/RYAN 2012 FOR REAL AMERICANS©

NOTE: Liberals/Progressives remember to vote on November 7th.

Ever wonder why libbies resort to immature name-calling when trying to make a point? Because they think it relieves them of the responsibilty to think about what they're saying.

KLNC - care to back up your accusations with some evidence? I'll save you the trouble - you can't.

JV - Romney provided the tax returns as required. Somehow libbies have the idea that being successful in business is a bad thing - of course it's just playing follow the leading from behind president - the same guy that made the Apology Tour his first priority - apologizing for the success and leadership of the USA.

Care to supply an example of Republicans "crapping on the flag", or was that just more libbie running of at the mouth?

President Obama is working with authorities regarding this big storm unlike Bush did with Katrina. It was days after the storm hit that Bush responded. Obama is a working president. He knows, as some obviously don't, that the president is on duty 24/7/365 and everywhere he goes there are people with communications, the "football" and anything else he could possibly need. The trouble is people see what they want to see whether true or not. They look for any and every miniscule thing to pick at which only shows their small closed minds. Every President has made mistakes, they are human, some mistakes were really bad others not so bad. Certain talking heads will opine about all sorts of crap but what is really happening is most likely nothing even close to what they are saying. They are, after all, not news casters but entertainers.

And Ambassador Chris Stevens, the president continued, "died a hero in two countries": the United States and Libya

Who knew the President was a "right wing crazie"..........thanks for the heads up ACDcheckMetal.

i guess just being american and being killed overseas makes you a "hero" now according to the right wing crazies

MNSBCMFE,

The only thing that I disagreed with you in your commentary is that Iowa is abbreviated IA not IO.

Mitt the Twit has ZERO credibility.

BD - there you go, name-calling again.

I'll take Mit every time over a president that would leave Navy Seals and a US Ambassador to die at the hands of low-life terrorists - while he watched from the comfort and safety of the White House - and then lie his butt off for six weeks to save face. That makes Barry a man with no character, no principle, no ethics or morals - a lowlife of the worst sort.

bigdogg - Speaking of a lack of credibility, you need to stop voting for your own posts.

For all you yippies who credit Obama bailing out the auto industry the way he did. Chrysler was bailed out in the 1980s and again in 2010. I guess we'll be bailing them out again in 25 years or fewer.

Chuck the Oaf,

You stand corrected.

Sphincster,

Reagan bailed out Chrysler in the '80's. Lee Iococa went to Reagan and said bail out Chrysler or I'll lay off 10,000,000 people.

What did Reagan do?

Chuck in Olathe, so you have a problem with asking for Romneys pre 2010 tax returns? Sure, they are not required for Potus, but don't you care if your future leader is an unamerican swine and a crook? You people sure care a whole lot about college records and passport applications? And as far as "leading from behind president - the same guy that made the Apology Tour his first priority - apologizing for the success and leadership of the USA", where do you get this crap? Hmmm, let me guess, Rush, Hannity, Coulter? You think you know everything but your party doesn't believe in science (eg. the earth is 6000 years old, global warming is a hoax, women who get pregnant from rape can self abort, etc). But your more right and patriotic than the rest of of "libbies" who just call people names? Yes, you are what's wrong with America, not the other way around. And yes, you and your party crap on the American flag every day and just don't know it. Starting with the obstruction of progress for millions of Americans just for political purposes. I can go on, but what for...as I said, you would still vote for dubbya today if you had a chance to get Obama out of office.

bigdogg - more immature name-calling? Out of ideas - nothing to bring to the discussion? Funny how the name-calling is usually a libbie - so I guess I answered my own question, as Barry O is clearly out of ideas.

It hurts what credibility you think you have when you stoop to that stuff. At least you've stopped voting for your own posts.

Hard to understand how somebody could look at this president and see anything worth supporting. You must feel that way too since you have no answer to my post - except poorly executed insults.

JV - you need to do some research.

And, as with almost everything else you've posted, your wrong about my party affiliation. So far all you offer is insults - like a libbie - without actually saying anything.

Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other views.
William F. Buckley, Jr.

So anybody that doesn't agree with your view of the world is what's wrong with America? Grow up. You, like may other libbies, want to see Romney's tax returns - but I'd challenge you to identify what you'd think you'll learn. Just another CNN talking point, and another example of libbies being led.

Go ahead - throw around some more insults - that'll prove your point.

Hey Chuckie, get off your high horse. I see you doing more name calling and negative referencing than anyone else here. What everyone else finds hard to understand is why your vote isn't being surpressed. You have nothing of substance to say whatsoever, but just think that you do (because you can - hardly coherently - regurgitate cheap and false gop talking points).

JV -

Where have I called anyone a name?

Where have you offered anything of substance? In fact, where have offered up anything but insults?

Tell me - how do you support a man for president that turned his back on Americans serving the US in official capacities? Lives he took an oath to protect? You - and all the other libbies here - don't seem to have a answer for that. How is it you support a man that cannot deliver on his campaign promises from 4 years ago, and hasn't a clue to get us out of this mess - a mess that he has made so very much worse?

It's impossible to discuss Barry O in anything but a negative reference. Four years of failure, four years of lies, failed promises, no plan for the future but more of this.

You're kidding? How about "Libbies" who run their mouths for starters? Or how about how your many splendid references about our president in this post and others? Go ahead, you get the last word if it makes you feel better. Peace out.

JV - apparently we agree on one thing, but it's a surprise to me. Libbie - short for "liberal" - I guess you think being called a liberal is an insult too.

Chuck the Oaf has zero credibility.

lmfao ... too hilarious

OUCH!!!, Spanky!!! Was rooting for the Tigers last night. Didn't expect them to win the World Series, but wanted them to win AT LEAST ONE to prevent a sweep. OK, OK, .....I grudgingly give kudos to the Giants. My Tigers let me down.....

Polls are polls...like halftime football scores...

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/oh/ohio_romney_vs_obama-1860.html

Something for everyone;

https://mmicdata.rand.org/alp/?page=election

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll

http://news.investors.com/special-report/508415-ibdtipp-poll.aspx

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Margin of Error...That's the narrow band that both are seeing with their hearts, and why they call it the MOE...

Hey Dangerfield are you in NYC now or NY? hope all is well and stay safe

Spanky-

Fun points:

1. Dennis - how are those Ohio polls looking today? Guess that comment you keep repeating is no longer viable, eh?

It's looking pretty good Spanker. You need to go out to the 538 blog. Nate Silver shows the president actually gaining but you keep trying to make it look like Robmey has some MO...lol he has Nomo MO that stopped about 2 weeks ago but you Repubs are always going thinking backwards. I know you'll deflect or ignore and I stopped responding to your non-sense a long time ago but I just had to jump in here.

PS ...you Repubs loved Nate in 2010 when he predicted the big beating but not so much now or like in 2008 when he hit the results right on the head. Have fun in your little Repub bubble until it gets popped next week......

CA-

I'm in a high rise on the Upper West Side. Thanks for sentiment. I realize that I don't know where you reside, but hope the same.

Let's hope everyone is here to argue tomorrow...

I live in a similar environment to Mad Max and a neighbor to Spanky. no hurricanes here. ever LOL

Hope everyone is safe and secure, and has evacuated when asked!

Sandy was the name of my ex wife, and apparantly as hostile!

too funny sirie.

OH IO says we are not stupid. R/R 2012.

While we here on the left coast can brag about our Giants (frankly I thought Motown was going to win at home taking it to 7 games) we do have empathy for those caught up in the big storm. We hope all are safe.

Nate Silver says you are "stupid," if by "stupid" you mean that Myth Robme & Lyin' Ryan appear to be winning . . . in your dreams!

OH: 74.9% chance of Obama winning (of votes already counted from early voting, 60% - Obama; 30% Robme)

IOWA: 72.7% of Obama winning

VA: 59.9% chance of Obama winning

COLO: 58.2% chance of Obama winning

NEV: 80.5% chance of Obama winning

DEM's - don't take this for granted - VOTE as soon as you can . . . . and stay safe out there, y'all!

O& JOE!

You all have Obama winning. Winning in this state, winning in that state.

Never do you say the American people are winning.

Romney/Ryan in 2012. And we all win!!

Phinster, if Obama whens, all Americans win. If Romney wins, only the 53% he cares about benefit. Unless disaster strikes after he gets rid of FEMA, of course.

It would have been even nicer to have a president act on the numerous requests for additional security in Libya.......or, at the very least, send help AS THE ATTACKS WERE HAPPENING.

Oh, so, Oscar, it would have been "nicer"(your word) to have the president act in Libya(which he is and has been doing) rather than what is going on in our own country? What kind of an American are you? Not a very good one from the looks of your comment. You would rather he do more in some foreign country than in our own country? Get with the program, boy.

Oh, so AKGirl, just because Americans are overseas, they deserve LESS PROTECTION from our so-called Commander-in-Chief???????? What kind of American are you????!?!?!? In general, the Americans that are overseas are RISKING THEIR LIVES for people like you. And you think the so-called president should ignore them (which he is and has been doing) and pay more attention to individual states warning their people of an impending hurricane which most people can gather fromt their local news weather???

Oscar you are the one that implied that it "would be nicer" if Obama had acted in Libya, as if he should be doing any more over there than he is right now with impending devastation looming on the east coast. Hey, but go ahead and try and spin it away from yourself. I know what our people do overseas, and I know what they go through on a daily basis, why do you think that WE want them all home, whereas Romney would just as well keep them all there, especially Afghanistan. He flip flopped on that one. Apparently, Oscar, you don't pay much attention to what goes on around the world. Our president deals with it all, and he does it in a manner very fitting of a true president.

Yeah, OK, AKGirl. It was "very fitting" of Hussein to ignore requests for increased security in Libya. It was "very fitting" for Hussein to NOT anticipate Middle East unrest on the ELEVENTH ANNIVERSARY of 9/11. It was "very fitting" for Hussein to ignore REAL TIME video of Americans being murdered. It would have been "very fitting" for Hussein not to make the Libya murders political. But you go ahead and spin it however it makes you feel better.....

It would have been even nicer to have a president act on the numerous requests for additional security in Libya.......or, at the very least, send help AS THE ATTACKS WERE HAPPENING.

Not to minimize losing a great Ambassador but...

4 in Libya < > 60 Million Americans on the East Coast.

Go troll somewhere else loser.

Yeah, OK, AKGirl. It was "very fitting" of Hussein to ignore requests for increased security in Libya.

Obama did not ignore any requests. Show me your proof that he did. I dare you. :)

I await REAL proof. I want you to show how he did. Who asked, what was asked and link it to a time line.

You can't because even Faux News can't but do try. I await your BS, err Proof. :)

P.S.

Obama did not deny requests for help in Benghazi: Aide

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/obama-did-not-deny-requests-help-benghazi-aide-182415488--election.html

Jeff,

You actually are minimizing the ambassador. And, I am sure the parents and families of those lost feel the same way you do. If your child was killed and the President did not care I am sure you would be fine to.

You actually are minimizing the ambassador.

Nope. I think Stevens was a hero to the utmost usage of the word. I have praised him on this topic dozens of times. He was aware of the risks. As well as those in his security team.

I do think you and others using him on this topic about the disaster facing the East Coast as being rather low. Shame you don't too.

Jeff, try googling the transcripts from the Benghazi hearings. Before they are censored and disappear from the internet. Truth to power, bro.

AlaskaGirl-

Get with the program, boy.

LOL.

With one week to go in the campaign, it is quite obvious there are no more undecided voters left.

Alot of Americans made up their minds after the final debate, and many of them have voted early.

The President is well on his way to over 300 Electoral Votes.

It's best to ignore the 'Benghazi Birthers' and the 'Donald Chumps' of the world because at this point, their ramblings are all for naught.

60 million people are in harms way of Sandy and that will be the story all week.

Salud

Jeff, try googling the transcripts from the Benghazi hearings.

Oscar, try not being LAZY and show us your proof. I am very well aware of the hearings.

If you're going to be a chickens*** and weasel out then shut up. Be a man for a change. Own up or shut up.

Oh, and do try and remember what you're to prove. THAT OBAMA DENIED SECURITY IN BENGHAZI.

PROVE IT...

Aw13 - nothing Jeff posted "minimized" the ambassador (I'm guessing you meant his death since otherwise you post makes no sense - oh wait - it makes no sense anyway). You are continuising to "use" his death even after his family has asked everyone to stop. You and the rest of the Republican are continuing to disregard his family's wishes.

Obama/Biden 2012

Maybe the GOP will get the message this time. First GOD sent a hurricane to rain on their convention and NOW he's sending a hurricane to knock Romney off the airwaves and give all the free media to the President.

Coincidence? I don't think so.

Even Pat Robertson would have so suspect divine intervention! And Rev Robertson hasn't voted for a Democrat since Roosevelt.

Obama/Biden 2012

Yep, what I thought Oscar, what I thought.

Anyway I got things to do. I will check back later to see if you man-up or shut up.

Tomas ...

It's best to ignore the 'Benghazi Birthers' and the 'Donald Chumps' of the world because at this point, their ramblings are all for naught.

60 million people are in harms way of Sandy and that will be the story all week.

No kidding! I don't think a person on the face of this planet is stating Benghazi isn't a story but honestly, this storm is scary and is affecting 60 million people. Clean-up and restoration could take years. Why don't the Obama-haters ever post about the posted article???

Obama/Biden 2012

Even Pat Robertson would have so suspect divine intervention! And Rev Robertson hasn't voted for a Democrat since Roosevelt.

except you guys hate God so what does that have to do with anything? besides I thought Hurricanes were caused by global warming? I mean climate change.

Caesar-

except you guys hate God...

Wow, I wouldn't want to be in your shoes when that karma comes back to bite you.

Care to apologize for that remark?

Salud

Who boo'ed GOD at the DNC?

sirie-

LOL. Nice try.

Democrats are Champions of our Constitution and Defenders of Freedom and the Bill of Rights, so we understand that our forefathers explicitly wanted separation of Church and State.

Democrats defend ALL American's rights to Freedom of Religion, which is why the language was originnaly separated out from the platform because it would be unconstitutional and offesive to some Americans.

But you wouldn't know that, because Faux/Rush/Hannity/Beck and the rest of your psychotic un-American, goose-stepping, brown shirt, Goebbles-like propagandists have taught you to hate half of the people in this country.

Salud

Time to ignore Oscar, Ceasar and Sirie.

Enjoy another 4 years with one of the Greatest Presidents America has ever had!

God Bless President Barack Obama!

Restoring America after the Bush Nightmare.

Salud

I already do Tomas, have for a long time nothing of substance from them.

Obama/Biden 2012

Republicans seem to have short term memories and hair trigger responses to any sort of state/national disaster, immediately moving it from the 'con' column into the 'pro' column, with a devilish glint in their eyes. As once again they seek to gain political advantage from the suffering of others. You accuse President Obama of turning this hurricane into a photo op, with a televised message to those in danger that he is working side by side with state leaders to ensure that any and all aid necessary will be made readily available. If I was one of those unfortunates currently in Hurricane Sandy's pathway, this would be exactly the kind of message I would find reassuring. How on earth can that be considered a photo op? He's doing exactly what he was elected to do. Of course, had he not made a statement, or offered support, you would have accused him of shirking his duties.

Luckily for our fellow citizens on the east coast, President Obama has seen fit to throw out the natural disaster response playbook written by his immediate predecessor, President George W. Bush. You do remember how President Bush responded to Hurricane Katrina and its aftermath in 2005, don't you? I certainly can't forget the 'weeks' of horrific live coverage from the New Orleans area. The survivors desperately begging President Bush and local government to help them, to do anything, while they were forced to watch helplessly as their loved ones died, especially the very young and elderly, from lack of medical care and exposure. The many people who waved from the roofs of their submerged homes, pleading for rescue, only to be passed by over and over again. The bodies of the dead left to rot in the street, or floating in stagnant water. The disgusting conditions that people were forced to endure from being crammed into the superdome, without adequate supplies, and in unhygienic conditions. Never in our history had an administration been less prepared before, or after, a disaster to provide aid. Never before has there been such a glaring example of a President callouslly deserting his people in their greatest time of need. It was only one of many areas in his 8 year run where President Bush proved himself to be unfit for the enormous responsibilities of the office he was elected to fill.

Once again, utilizing a very convenient 'pick and choose' memory, the Republicans purposely forget the tainted legacy of their former leader. In much the same way that they 'choose' to acknowledge that Bush's misdeeds and inactions still have far reaching consequences, such as the collapsing economy that Obama inherited. Right on cue, mere hours into this ordeal you are already attempting to lay the seeds of blame at Obama's feet. Luckily there are millions of people out there who have never forgotten how Republicans, like Bush, choose to respond to a crisis, with basically what amounts to a three step program: throw your hands in the air, stick your fingers in your ears, and hope it all goes away.

By the way, did you hear about Romney's response to Hurricane Sandy? It was very presidential indeed, certainly foreshadowing his expected bipartisan approach to future disaster relief, should he be elected. He made it a point to call government officials in Virginia and New Jersey who are within Sandy's expected path, to offer his unconditional support. But as was reported this morning on NewsNation with Tamron Hall, he only called the Republican leaders. I guess Romney views Democrat officials and their constituents, who are also in harm's way, as part of that pesky 47 percent that he doesn't need to worry about. At least that's one position we don't have to worry about him flip flopping on.

Obama/Biden

Looks like Oscar was nothing but a grouch after all. :)

Jeff (and some numbers) - +1

Oscar the Grouch - 0

@ TomasGrande

So, did you answer my question, who boo'ed GOD at the DNC?

No, you'll just put me on ignore... fine with me, but I wouldn't want to listen to someone that "ignores" what they don't want to hear, and bases decisions only on the information that they WANT to hear.

loser........

Nobody booed God, Sirie. They booed yet another right wing attempt to label the left as godless, by the addition or subtraction of a single word no less. I know it means little to Republicans/TeaPartiers, but to Democrats, actions actually speak louder than words.

Short of handing out a bottle of holy water and a crucifix at the convention door, nothing the left wing does, or did, believes in, or refutes, proves or disproves matters to you anyway, unless you can twist the meaning into something else entirely. You thump the Bible with one hand, while cashing checks in untold millions from anonymous sources seeking to buy this election, with the other. The irony is that you don't even seem to understand that there might be a glaring contradiction between the two.

Putting GOD in capital letters as you've done doesn't make you more of a Christian, and trying to point fingers at others as being less faithful than you doesn't either. Faith isn't the competition you're making it out to be. If you and those on the right really want to lead by God's example, you might want to start with the basics, like not assigning worth in terms of wealth, religion, or class, and by treating every man, woman, and child as equally deserving of God's grace.

Obama/Biden

gizalynn, great post

I, too take great offense at this remark, CA

except you guys hate God

Sirie, you really should post your avatar as a parrot as that is all you seem to do.

Obama/Biden 2012

Bushes fault again...

Romney/Ryan for no more whining!

LOL Independent.... I sure wish that Bush guy would get out of the way so Obama can get something useful done! He must be darting in front of every Obama move...

Question, who is Obama going to blame for the HUGE mess he will inherit next term, if re-elected?

Chris Christie will be the first one in line with his hand out. You do not get as large as Chris Christie by being the last one in line, unless you are going for 2nds and even 3rds.

He'll just pardon himself...

Yeah, that's the ticket, impeachment.

Republicans want to impeach ANOTHER Democrat President?

Go figure.

Fox would make it a new reality show after the Super Bowl.

Salud

Grounds for impeachment? What for?

There were two major issues regarding the Benghazi loss and tragedy: 1) the apparent denial of a request for additional security and 2) the lack of sufficient intelligence prior to the 9/11 attack on the Consulate and Annex.

The first is still not clear. Was there a formal request made, who did it go to, why was it turned down. While the President is responsible for all in his Administration, it is also probable he was not involved in that decision. If you want to blame him for it, then you would have to blame Bush Junior for the original 9/11, Clinton for his failure to take out Bin Laden, when given an opportunity, Bush Senior for failing to make clear to Saddam Hussein that the U.S. would stand up for Kuwait, before he launched his attack, Reagan for supplying arms to Afghan rebels and the Marine retreat from Lebenon, following the suicide bombing of the barracks, and on and on back to George Washington's loss of numerous tactical battles during the Revolution.

Regarding intelligence, that's a tough call. It seems likely the local militia group, which was loosely affiliated with al Qaeda, acted against a "target of opportunity" with planning that may have been measured in days or hours. The call for action, by al Qaeda, in Pakistan, to avenge the death of the Libyan al Qaeda leader, who had been killed by a U.S. drone, I believe came only days prior to the 9/11 anniversary. It is also likely that at that initial point, the Ambassador's plans were unknown, and may have been unknown until he left the Consulate compound to say goodbye to the Turkist diplomat, following their meeting at the Consulate, just hours before the attack.

Apparently, much of the Consulate staff had already been evacuated to the "Annex" safe house, as a precaution against demonstrations related to the video, which were occurring in Cario and elsewhere. Seven people, including the Ambassador, the Information Officer, who was killed, and five U.S. security personnel, plus additional local Libyan security forces remained at the Consulate. Presumably, this was due to the meeting with the Turkish diplomat and/or the desire not to effect a total withdrawal of equipment, documents, etc. to the Annex.

Had a major attack been anticipated, it would have seemed appropriate to conduct a total withdrawal to the Annex or from Benghazi itself. I would assume that would be a decision made by the Ambassador himself, who would also be privy to the available intelligence.

The attack came without warning (or, apparently, any prior demonstrations over the video), at 9:40 PM. One of the ex-Navy Seals at the Annex (who worked for either the CIA or the Diplomatic Security Service of the State Department), requested permission to mount a rescue mission to the Consulate, approximately one mile away.

However, it is not clear [to me] that this was in response to a request from the Consulate or at the ex-Seal's own initiative. The last communication from the Consulate apparently was an E-Mail around 10:04 PM, indicating that they were under attack and the Ambassador and Information Officeer had been taken to the "safe room" within the Consulate's main building, along with one or two security people, one of whom later joined security people elsewhere in the compound.

At approximately 10:40 PM, the ex-Navy Seal, at the Annex, again requested to mount a rescue mission to the Consulate and was again denied permission. However, this time he disregarded the "stand-down" and proceeded to the Consulate, with several other Americans and local militia support.

From another E-Mail sent at approximately 10:54 PM, we know they had reached the Consulate compound and were attempting to locate the people remaining there. At that point, they discovered the Ambassador missing, the Information Officer dead of gun shot wounds, and one of the security people, overc ome by smoke, on the roof of the main building. They recovered the body of the Information Officer and the security person on the roof, along with four additional security people and made their way, now under heavy fire, back to the Annex.

They arrived back at the Annex at approximately midnight. It is probable the "rescue mission" saved the lives of the five security people from the Consulate, but also revealed the location of the Annex "safe house," upon their return.

The question at this point is could a rescue operation have been mounted between 9:40 PM (first shots on the attack at the Consulate) and 10:54 PM, when a rescue team from the Annex, did in fact arrive?

I would say, "unlikely." Fly time from the Italian base was approximately one hour. Had they left immediately at 9:40 PM (when the situation was still largely unknown), they would have been there at approximately 10:40 PM, or approximately 10 to 14 minutes before the rescue mission from the Annex arrived at some point prior to 10:54.

In sum, even with everything going exactly right, it is unlikely a rescue mission from Italy could have reached the Consulate in time to have affected the outcome there.

And, what if the rescue mission from the Annex had been launched when permission was first asked? Two points: it is not clear that the people in the Consulate felt they were going to be overrun until the 10:04 E-Mail that informed everyone that the compound had been breached and that the Ambassador and the Information Officer, with one security person, had retreated to the "safe room" within the main Consulate building.

Secondly, the attack on the Consulate was apparently carried out by several hundred terrorists armed with auomatic weapons and RPGs. Had the recscue mission left earlier and arrived earlier, say 9:50 PM to 10:00 PM, they may have arrived at the height of the attack and been lost themselves.

Reinforcements did arrive in Benghazi, from Triploli at approximately 2:00 AM, and after a delay in transportation and coordination with the local militia contracted to provide Consulate and Annex protection, arrived at the Annex at approximately 3:00 AM. It is not clear [to me] whether or not the Annex was at that time under fire by the terrorists, but it is clear that the combined Annex force did not feel capable of extending their defensive perimeter beyond the Annex itself, and that during that time, the terrorist brought up heavier weapons, including a mortar. Apparently, this was "spotted" and "painted" by an Annex defender, but he was denied permission to fire on it. Who gave that order and why is not clear.

At approximately 4:00 AM, the mortar launched four rounds. One fell in the courtyard; three hit the Annex building. It was on that brief attack that the two ex-Navy Seals were killed; one from the reinforcements flown in from Tripoli; one from the Benghazi security.

Presumably, following that, there was no serious attempt to breach the Annex compound and the attacks ceased at day break, at which time, the Annex was evacuated to Tripoli.

Benghazi was a terrible tragedy and a lost battle in the War on Terrorism. But one tactical loss does not mean that either the strategy or the policy is wrong. In war, you seldom win ALL of the battles.

I guess the Rethuglicans no longer respect Condi Rice - who said Obama is handling Benghazi correctly . . . .

nor do they respect Colin Powell, who has endorsed Obama . . .

they only listen to what Faux Noise wants them to hear, and Faux doesn't want to hear that those 2 members of the Dubya admin are saying good things about President Obama.

O & Joe - 2012, Myth Robme, 1040's (he lied about his Mass taxes, and he's lying now about his Fed taxes)

KJNC-

I guess the Rethuglicans no longer respect Condi Rice - who said Obama is handling Benghazi correctly .

nor do they respect Colin Powell, who has endorsed Obama . . .

That was so good, it was worth repeating.

Salud

Thanks, Tomas - I read & appreciate your comments! they are . . . well, just plain GRANDE!
:-)

O & JOE, 2012 . . . Myth Robme, 1040's (he lied about his Mass taxes, & he's lying about his Fed taxes!)

@Stone6#5.4: Thanks for your very coherent narrative and timeline regarding the Benghazi event. Several, myself included, have put all this forth before, but to little or no avail against those who wish, through various conspiracies, to use the event, and the death of Americans as political exploitation to their favor. Too many angry people who are want to express it without the aid of much bullsh^t. Regards

RedDev, we know that the right will do whatever they can to make this Benghazi situation into a complete conspiracy of cover-ups. It is their way. Very loose cannons, that bunch. Bush and quite a few others should be charged with war crimes, but don't see any on the right agreeing with that. They are Bush lovers after all. If you support Bush, you support what happened on 9/11/01 and you also support an unnecessary war. Way to go, Republicans.

RedDev, it appears Hussein LIED about Benghazi when he blamed it on a video. AFTER watching it in real time and knowing that it was a planned TERRORIST ATTACK.

Yeah, Go ahead and keep your reject Candidate. You know.. the one you guys were not interested in the least the last two attemps at the presidency. He was the best you had to offer from the group of misfits. Now you love him.

I hope you are rich because that is all he cares about. Him and his cronies. EFf American and the middle class. Did you read 2012 America's? If you are raped you HAVE TO HAVE THE BABY. No IVF though. Can't have a child with that. Read the book. You will love the fine pritn of Ryan's ideas.

All the President needs to tell us is "Who ordered the stand down in Benghazi?" and why? Seems pretty simple. It shouldn't take a two month investigation.

RedDev, it appears Hussein LIED about Benghazi when he blamed it on a video.

Oh did he now. Then why the following report from the White House on 9/13, shortly after the attack.

The Obama administration, roiled by the first killing of a U.S. ambassador in more than 30 years, is investigating whether the assault on the U.S. Consulate in Libya was a planned terrorist strike to mark the anniversary of the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks and not a spontaneous mob enraged over an anti-Islam YouTube video.

Said Obama: "It's important for you to make sure that the statements that you make are backed up by the facts. And that you've thought through the ramifications."

http://www.freep.com/article/20120913/NEWS07/309130158/9-11-link-feared-in-embassy-attack-U-S-positions-warships-off-Libyan-coast

oscar- how do you know Obama lied? you dont and cant prove anything, all you righties have is a briebart.com blog (and they are always truthful) about a col who says someone told him who was there watching it with Obama, i understand this same person just happened to be there 51 years ago when Obama was born in Kenya and he rememebrs his father saying they already planted the birth in Hawaii papers so one day his son can be President- you people hate him so much it is unbelievable, i can only hope that if Obama wins relection all your heads explode- you people need to get a life, one that is not filled so much with hate- and remember- even if Obama loses like you hope- it will never change the fact that he was the first black President. remember that when you are 75 and still working because there is no more SS or Medicare

RedDev: Funny that this statement from the White House is used as proof that the President was telling the truth. Also, I guess he didn't need to wait for the facts in the Harvard situation. We have a dead Ambassador who was left to die by the White House rather than admit Obama's foreign policy is a failure.

That's absurd. Read the above timeline of events. It is likely the Ambassador was killed in the first hour of fighting...too quickly for the forces from Italy to arrive and too strong an attack for the local security forces that may have been able to reach the Consulate.

The drone may have been able to see much of what was occurring in "real time," but unless there was adequate counter-force, the surveillance would not have mattered.

Condi Rice said Obama is handling Benghazi correctly . . . .

Colin Powell has endorsed Obama . . .

I guess the Rethuglicans only listen to what Faux Noise wants them to hear, and Faux doesn't want them to know that those 2 members of the Dubya admin are saying good things about President Obama.

O & Joe - 2012, Myth Robme, 1040's (he lied about his Mass taxes, and he's lying now about his Fed taxes)

That's absurd. Read the above timeline of events. It is likely the Ambassador was killed in the first hour of fighting...too quickly for the forces from Italy to arrive and too strong an attack for the local security forces that may have been able to reach the Consulate.

The drone may have been able to see much of what was occurring in "real time," but unless there was adequate counter-force, the surveillance would not have mattered.

stone- awesome post. keep telling the righties the truth

Obama/Biden 2012!!

And, why is an "act of terror," "a spontaneous attack," and the "video" all mutually exclusive?

My own take is that it was "planned" in response to the al Qaeda leadership, in Pakistan, calling for "revenge" killings regarding the drone killing of a Libyan member of al Qaeda, in Pakistan.

But, the exact target and timing, could have been "spontaneous" in that the attack itself came with a last minute report that the Ambassador was in the Consulate, which had largely been evactuated, leaving only "light security" - i.e. a "target of opportunity." Making it "spontaneous" in regard to target and timing to have been decided within 2-3 hours.

And, the video? There were intial reports from local reporters ("stringers") for the NYT, that indicated earlier demonstrations. But, certainly, the terrorist attackers would have only seen the video as further, if not a primary, justification for the attack.

Good posts, Stone - I agree . . . . the RWNJ's, for the most part, are either/or thinkers . . . it must be ONE THING, or it must be SOME OTHER THING.

There are many reasons why I voted (early) for Obama, and many things I like & trust about what he has done in the past 3+ years.

The primary one is because he is good at thinking through COMPLEX situations . . . Myth Robme is a knee-jerk reactions guy.

He can fire people in his companies that "under-perform" - but he cannot fire 47% of the American people, even though he obviously despises them . . . he has managed somehow to get them to vote for him anyway.

If you have not read "Obama's Way," in (last month's??) Vanity Fair, I suggest you Google it & read it - I think you will enjoy it.

O & JOE!

Stone: The ambassador died four hours after the attack began. Moreover, if the truth is as you describe, why can't the President say so? He can't because none of his stories hang together. He will wait until after the election, at which time Ms. Clinton will be exonerated from any wrongdoing by a special investigative team appointed by Obama. I will give you one thing-you are a contortionist, but your "theories" are total speculation. With respect to the comments from Condolizza Rice, the substance was that she didn't know enough of the facts to comment whether protocols were violated.

The rescue mission from the Annex to the Consulate arrived prior to the 10:54 PM E-Mail, that notes their arrival. The attack began at 9:40 PM. The rescue mission either failed to find the Ambassador and he was still in the Consulate (unlikely) or he had already been removed. I know of know other report from that point to the time he was brought to the hospital and could not be revived. Four hours...I would doubt it, if he died of smoke inhalation to which he'd been exposed three hours earlier? But, don't know...not a doctor. And, I doubt he would have been recovered alive.

The time of the Ambassador's death is after 1:00. The two navy seals died hours after that. Don't tell me a US strike force couldn't have helped. It is all White House spin. Panetta has no military experience, and Patraeus isn't talking. Someone issued a stand down order. The President knows who it is, and he won't tell. I believe it was him.

You aren't following the time line. The Ambassador was gone when the rescue force from the Annex arrived at the Consulate, probably between 10:50 PM and 10:54 PM. Even if he did not die until 1:00 AM, it is unlikely a strike force from Italy would have been able to find him and could not have arrived earlier than 10:50 PM.

Until the mortar attack occurred there was no indication that the force at the Annex could not cope with the situation. It is unknown how long the time was between the sighting of the mortar and the mortar attack itself...most likely minutes, if not seconds. The two ex-Navy Seals were killed in a short burst of four mortar rounds.

Yeah...I am telling you that a strike force from Italy would probably not have changed things. And, you'v e presented nothing to contest that.

Special Ops people are very good at what they do, but they operate best with a well-defined mission, meticulously planned, and excellent intelligence regarding what they will be going against. They don't overpower any and all enemies. They train to occupy a very small area of the "battlefield," with overwhelming force, for a very brief period of time, in which they accomplish their mission and withdraw.

You needn't be an "expert" to grasp that...just watch "Blackhawk Down," where one small error at the beginning of the operation, compounded itself, worsening the situation, largely due to the presence of enemy RPGs. Eventually, it took an armored column by the Pakistani U.N. force to "extract" them, during daylight.

This attack would have never happened if there was adequate security. This happened on the anniversary of 9/11. Any person in their right mind would know security needs to be beefed up on that particular day.

An ambassador got killed. The first time that has happened since Jimmy Carter was in office. I feel for the safety of all of our ambassadors around the world. Are they safe? One has to wonder after the events in Libya.

How do you know that, based on the intelligence they had, the security was inadequate? How much security should there have been? One hundred more? Two hundred more?

There were protests and demonstrations in Tunisia, Egypt, Yeman, and some 19 or 20 other Muslim countries during that period, largely over the video. No other Americans were killed or injured, with the possible exception of Afghanistan. Several embassies and/or consulates were ransacked by mobs, but only property damage occurred, before local authorities restored order. Several xdemonstrators werer killed in that process.

Apparently, the right wing own a crystal ball that foretold which embassy would suffer from an attack resulting in death, yet they would not share it with the government. So we were left with the conundrum of which embassy would or would not be subject to attack on the 9/11 anniversary. I guess we must deduce the holders of that knowledge are responsible for Ambassador Stevens death. It could have been avoided if they had been willing to share the results of the predictions of the crystal ball.

If you don't appreciate MSNBC why use it? There is not anyone forcing you to particpate is there? Are you the type of person to do something unpleasent to yourself just to be a victim?

Ah, yes, Rasmussen....who don't survey people if they don't own a land-line phone, and thus miss surveying a lot of younger people who only own cellular phones.

They had McCain leading until about week before the 2008 election.

Nate Silver:

Ohio:

President Obama - 74.9% chance of winning.

President Obama wins re-election with over 300 Electoral Votes.

Enough said.

Salud

Rasmussen,

Just like the GOP, stuck in the 1950's.

The GOP wants to control women's bodies. They want back alley, coat hanger, abortions. They have no real concern for life because once the baby is born they do not want to have to pay for food, housing, medical attention, clothing, or heating assistance. Once you have a baby you are on your own.

Nate Silver ... my very favorite geeky nerd in the world and fun to watch! He was great on Bill Maher!

Obama/Biden 2012

Layton-

He was great on Bill Maher!

And on The Daily Show!!!

Geeks, Science, Facts, Truth.

God it's great being a Democrat!!!!

Salud

ANYONE WHO CARES ABOUT ***ACCURATE*** POLLING DATA - YOU MIGHT NOT LIKE IT, BUT IT'S ACCURATE . . .

http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/10/29/oct-28-in-swing-states-a-predictable-election/#more-36832

NATE SILVER CARES ABOUT BEING ***CORRECT*** AND RELIABLE; HE IS NON-PARTISAN AND WEIGHS/AGGREGATES ***ALL*** OF THE POLLS; His success depends on ACCURACY!

O & JOE, 2012 - MYTH ROBE 1040'S (he liesd about his Mass taxes, & he's lying to us about his f\Fed taxes)

If Obama does what he did, it's political grandstanding.

If he went about his business, he'd be an unfeeling, uncaring monster.

If you're a bitter, pathological Obama hater, this is a win-win situation.

right on!!!...anything to get rid of obama....

Mcdaddywack, you are a prime example of many things... and none of them good. Cats and Dogs should have been given the right to vote ahead of you.

You are right, Eldon/Spartan/Chick . . . McWack is a troll/low-info-voter, and one of The Haters.

McWhack: your anger & hate is caused by FEAR. . . . if you stop listening to the RWNJ media, you will feel better . . . we will pray for you!

O & Joe! ObamaCare(s) covers pre-existing conditions!

You know we've debated for almost four years now, and the end for O is near. You can have your turn real soon.

Well said.

obama the fraud is one and done.....

Find a bathroom wall, mcpaddywack. They're good for scrawling on.

hey windy???....moron

what a moronic post...typical

You would be funny if Republicans werent actually blaming this on Obama.

I think God is punishing us for having a cult / non-Christian running for president...

No one blamed Bush for the weather event known as Hurricane Katrina.

What they did blame him for was:

1) Going to an event in San Diego and only doing a "flyover" of the hurricane zone.

2) Telling the director of FEMA he's "doin' a heckuva job" when there were thousands of people stranded in the Superdome without drinkable water.

you feckin' libs tried to blame bush for everything........and you are still doing it....pathetic....

Is that you macdaddy?

bullshiat.......

But mcpaddy, that's EXACTLY what he advocated earlier this year.

During a CNN debate at the height of the GOP primary, Mitt Romney was asked, in the context of the Joplin disaster and FEMA's cash crunch, whether the agency should be shuttered so that states can individually take over responsibility for disaster response.

"Absolutely," he said. "Every time you have an occasion to take something from the federal government and send it back to the states, that's the right direction. And if you can go even further, and send it back to the private sector, that's even better. Instead of thinking, in the federal budget, what we should cut, we should ask the opposite question, what should we keep?"

"Including disaster relief, though?" debate moderator John King asked Romney.

"We cannot -- we cannot afford to do those things without jeopardizing the future for our kids," Romney replied.

By the way, this video is all over youtube...just search "Romney FEMA" and it'll come right up.

Of course, TODAY he's saying he wouldn't get rid of FEMA....but then, today, the audience is a little different, isn't it....and we all know how Mitt's statements change to reflect the people who are paying attention to him. If it's wealthy donors, then go ahead and throw 47 percent of the population under the bus....if it's everyone else, that statement is a "mistake".

You buy into Romney, I have a tunnel in New York I want to sell you. Call me quick, before it takes on any more water.

I'm sure that Ramblin' Romney reversed his previously steadfast policy position once the first raindrop hit the window of the magic bus. lol...

I love the oft-repeated tale of how private industry always provides services better than the Government. What an obvious load of horse-puckey. Anytime you take a necessary service provided by the government and hang one to several privatized succubus from it all you've done (besides making your succubus friends happy) is increased the costs and reduced the service. Not only reduced, but placed at risk when it was not so before. Imagine latching a host of multi-layered Change-yer-name-overnight "gubment Contractors" onto the teat with the promise they'll do whatever it takes at any cost... Privatized disaster response... Who could be so stupid?

Bracing against a "Romney style" presidency is something everyone should get behind. People that can't see the folly of privatizing disaster response just need to consider one question... Who, either in the private sector or State by State, can fulfill a promise to do whatever it takes for as long as it takes in a time of emergency?...

A third entity supplied with endless federal spending but skimming a profit in addition? This isn't the Utah Olympics we're talking about here!

BIGGEST MISTAKE OBAMA EVER MADE - Not letting the justice department look into WMD, torture, the patriot act and hundreds of signing statements by the Bush administration. He actually thought by treating the Republicans with respect he might get some HE WAS SO WRONG!

Clinton referred to Obama as an "Amature" and urged Hillary to run against him for the 2012 nomination.

clinton is a convicted pervert and an accused rapist......another great person spouting bullshiat about obama....

Funny that Obama wants him on the campaign team.

BigDog coming to a town near you!

Oh yeah... He's already "forgetting" what he clearly said before. But it's Monday, so that was expected regardless of what was or wasn't going on.

I'm surprised he didn't advise the people of Lafitte to ask their parents for a rebuilding loan or suggest that they cash in some of their stocks to get by... Or maybe ride their dancing horses onto their car elevators and hit the "up" button to escape the flood waters... Those people just don't want to help themselves.

libs are so delusional and they are easy suckers for obama and his never-ending stream of bullshiat.......obama is ruining our nation and needs to sent packing......go to hawaii already obama....ALOHA

The mistakes which got us to the crumble point from Jul08-Feb09 began to happen as early as when Clinton did away with the economic controls regards financing and mortgages. I could list about a dozen policy decisions which contributed...initiated in Congress and by Presidents...of both parties. The final straw was the failure of the huge institutions which pushed the limits of the de-regulation combined with a GDP with a huge percentage of debt financed war product.

The bashing on both sides over the economy is rediculous. The only accurate debate at this point is which of the two candidates has the best plan for moving forward.

Saying the last 4 years demonstrates economic failure is the most biased of the non-factual arguments. There is no debate that we were less than a fiscal quarter from a major depression. No one is satisfied with where we are at now, and that's a good thing. But to say the recovery from where we were is a failure indicates lack of understanding to say the least.

Looking back and pointing fingers is a loser's game. Now that we have a fair idea of both candidates' ideas for the future...vote for growth.

At this point, whoever wins will be the leader and MY Commander-in-Chief...I will stand with either once the voters have spoken.

what a dope...

Obozo's Ability To Manage Debt: █▒█▒█▒█▒█▒█▒█▒█▒█▒█▒█▒█▒█▒█ CRASHED!