WOW, where is common sense??? Who is his god?

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and the Repugnant Party is much worse than I have thought. You should not be surprised if you remember "Indiana - the Klan State".

So if I decided to rape a woman today, and she gets pregnant, I am the instrument of God????

This is the insane beliefs of Wrongme and Lyin'.

It is so crazy, it is hard to believe these people are real.

Make no mistake about it - this is at least the second Republican politician to publicly denounce abortion even in the case of rape. Now the Republican establishment wants to distance themselves from this public stance.

But don't be fooled America. For every one of these rightwingnut "politicians" who publicly proclaim their version of God, there are an untold many more who privately agree. Even Romney endorses this guy from Indiana. The Christian Taliban wants YOU to live the way they think YOU should live.

Starderup - Exactly what I was thinking. I guess we'll be seeing this as some sort of defense in court in the future. How people like this guy make it to the national stage is a mystery and just truly frightening. I hope the people of Indiana do not inflict this person on the rest of the country.

Here's the question I would like to ask Richard Mourdock,

So.. when a 12 year old girl is raped and ends up pregnant, this is what god wanted? When did legitimate rape become acceptable?

Typical GOP.. a man forcing his belief system on a woman's right to choose.

You women better wake up before the GOP makes rape 100% legal like in Afghanistan.

Why not just claim that if ANYTHING at all happens, it's because God intended it? Perhaps Richard Mourdock and his medieval colleagues wish to reserve the interpretation of God's Will for themselves alone.

And then to see that Donnelly up by only 2 percentage points over Mourdock. What the hell is wrong with people these days?

Oink. Mourdock is a PIG, wanting to work with other TeaPigs in Washington to create a PIGOTRY - government by pigs, of pigs, and for pigs.

Though I've voted Republican and Democrat in the past, THAT, ladies and gentlemen, is another reason I voted straight-ticket Democrat this election. The Repubs have the integrity of snake oil salesmen this go-round.

If his God (not mine) intended rape to happen, then what else did his God intend? I understand the "God's plan" concept, but I do not accept that everything that happens is somehow God's plan, was inevitable, and that the acting party did not have a choice.

God did not "intend" 911. God did not "intend" the Iraq war. God did not cause the deficit. God did not cause the economic collapse. God did not intend a rape nor the resulting pregnancy.

If this guy can rationalize rape, he can rationalize just about anything.

This isn't just an assault on women, it's an assault on our intelligence and our humanity.

Vote these idiots out of office NOW.

This guy should not only be crushed in his bid to confuse and corrupt, he should be put on some really serious watch lists. I have it by very authoritative sources (you know, that Jesus thingie again) that he will be raped and give birth to another pig.

so by repub view-, murder,stealing, fraud, diabetes, prostate cancer, car accidents-all acts of god. all gifts from god.

hypocrites, lying a holes repubs are-so are hospitals and doctors,courts-aren't they tools of satan and shouldnt they be outlawed?

repubs are trying to make rape legal and make women criminals.

I lived there for 40 years... it's not hard to believe.

"When life begins from rape, god intended it."

Holy Sh*t

Obama/Biden 2012

Time for America to get smart and send all the Tea Party members running good bye.....

Good bye, Mourdock, U R a dork, a dickk (richard)

Keep talking you dumb@!$%# Republicans. Everytime you open your mouth, a voter registers Democratic...

Next thing they'll be pushing the "God Defense" for rapists. These right wing Christian wackos are every bit as insane as the Taliban. Thankfully they're not as violent. Murdock really does seem to think the God is some guy who lives in the sky who gives a @!$%# about what people do, and if they obey what some fundamentalist preacher says, they get to go to heaven.

I am sooo done with people who have no clue what they are talking about trying to decide what the rest of the world should do when they have never and will never be in that situation. Yes, a man can be raped of course, but he isn't going to get pregnant from it. Sooo, I guess if a man is raped and gets a disease from it he is supposed to celebrate that since it came from God? Perhaps we could outlaw rape-contracted diseases for males if we say anything a woman gets from a rape is from God?

Yes, that is silly, and so is these idiotic men trying to act as if they have a clue medically, socially, or psychologically what happens when a woman is raped, and especially if she becomes pregnant from that rape. Unless you have a vagina you can't get how that would feel, so back off and go learn something before you start mouthing off. What is the most offensive part is that they think they get to tell women what to do with their bodies. Get your business out of my life, guys, and I sincerely hope you get defeated by landslides.

...bottom line, people, get out and VOTE!!!! Stop this nonsense in a couple of weeks.

See if your elderly neighbor needs a ride to the polls, take an hour of personal time from work, get your friends to the polls...

...VOTE!!

I meant outlaw treatment for diseases men catch from being raped, but left that part out.

So a ten year old girl is raped by her father and gets pregnant, and she is supposed to keep that child with no choices at all? Lovely. Her father took away all her choices, and now you want to do that to her again? Lovely.

Said it before and will say it again- there's no difference between people like this and the extremist muslim's of the middle east (or anywhere throughout the world). The ONLY difference is the platform to their craziness is through politics versus violence.

The religious zealots believe if a woman gets pregnant after she was raped, she must have really "wanted it", because during "legitimate rape", the body prevents pregnancy. Every baby is God's gift. It's God's plan. I sometimes wonder if this is an anti-abortion strategy or defense strategy for forcible sex. "Your honor, This couldn't have been rape because she got pregnant."

It's not just the Republican politicians. They are saying these things because there are VOTERS that think the same way. That's how they get elected.

Comparisons to the Taliban are very accurate.

People will elect such crazies only because they are themselves just as crazy.

How do you people reconcile the fact that your god is presented as omnipotent, omnipresent, and omniscient and yet can't prevent a rape or any other bad event? Why is it your god can only do positive things but is COMPLETELY powerless to prevent negative things?

I'm not suggesting that god intends rapes to happen but god certainly is powerless to prevent rapes.

The appointed rapist by God fits the republican explanation of "legitimate rape."

WOMEN !!! Wake up.

Where's all the LOUDMOUTH REPUBLICANS standing up for "their" candidate???

Someone had to vote for this idiot for him to get where he is, where are his REPUBLICAN supporters now? Why arent they screamng and whining that it is the womans fault for asking for it? Or how about "you're twisting his words"? Or "What about Obama"?

Remember, THIS MAN WAS ENDORSED BY THE ROMNEY/RYAN TICKET!!!!!

Typical Bible thumping moron, holding God responsible for all the bad acts of mankind. I'm sure in his book God intended to wipe out the 50 million people in WW2 because after all... they are all dead.

Don't lump all Republicans in with this moron.

I wonder if he'd say that in prison and bubba had him bent over a washer,

God intended"God intended"God intended...

The only person I knew personally who had an abortion was a young right wing,abstinence only, christian teen who's TEABAGGERS parents got her a "Special Abortion" because the father was a young Mexican teen...

PHUCKING HYPOCRITES!!!!!!

VOTE DEMOCRATIC ACROSS THE BOARD!!!!

Kevin C-752389-romney is STILL endorsing this sleaze. every vote for a republicana is a vote for this. they have not withdrawn ANY support for this guy.

repubs have said and done similar things across the country-vaginal probes sound familiar?

Women voters, remember this guy when you vote! Does he represent you?

It's hard to believe that the people of Indiana------

No tweet it isn't. Have you ever lived in IN or even visited for a few days. I've lived throughout the state and have seen what many Hoosiers are like.

What is even more astounding is folks are still willing to vote for rethugli-cons. This is the second, at least that we know of, one who just doesn't understand how bad their comments about rape are. Throw in the jacka** running for state office from Arkansas who claimed slavery was actually beneficial to the blacks and one sees how out of touch the rethugli-con party really is. Throw in the likes of Mitch McConnell and John Boehner and one understands why this country is in the mess ir's in.

Kevin C-752389

Don't lump all Republicans in with this moron.

Why not Kevin? The idiots will still vote for these people. Why? Because way too many of them feel the exact same way.

grazed - Romney endorsed him before these comments, but Romney has already publicly stated he disagrees with the comments.

That's it. I'm done. One Republican whack job too many. I'm voting dem. I hate to do it as I have no party affiliation, but anything I can do to prevent another misogynist, bible thumping loony from making any decisions in my government is worth the hit to my conscience.

I hope this guy loses the election in a landslide. I'd like to see the Rep party purged of these religious nut cases. Although most Republicans (and Democrats) I know are religious, very few are fringe extremists like this guy. (btw, I also know some religious extremists that are Democrats)

Well now we all know God is if favor of rape. :)

Metaphors are there to inspire us toward perfection.

They do not create life. They don't create anything.

but I came to realize that life is that gift from God

So.....using the same logic, the likes of Adolph Hitler, Osama bin Laden, Timothy McVeigh, Ted Bundy, John Wayne Gacey, Charles Manson, the Columbine high school shooters, and many more anarchists/murders/serial killers/sickos are gifts from God?

Wow! It's amazing how the conservatives can justify just about any one or any thing when invoking the name of God and their twisted religious beliefs.

I dont want to take back the senate if it means electing morons like this. These types scare me as much as the socialists. I miss sane libertarians.

Kevin C-752389-bs- this guy didnt just crawl out of that rock he lives under and romney knew about this yesterday and romneySPOKESPERSON wouldnt pull the endorsement. is romney waiting for how the wind blows to see if he should pull an endorsememt from a guy he made a commercial for? a guy who said a rapist is the bearer of a gift from god.

and the media is now saying the video WAS a large part of that attack. try looking on google-thee AP, Washington Post, LA Times, NY Times and others.

stop lying and try reading the news

What is wrong with these idiots? So if this moron gets appendicitis, he won't go have surgery, because everything is god's will?

Kevin C- my condolences on the mutilation of your party by nutjob extremists.

Kevin C---Romney has already pulled his endorsement. It is we like you until you open you mouth and something stupid comes out. Romney has lots of experience in that. I think I was in his "binder".

Libya was unfortunate, but one would be thinking that they never suspected a bombing, a force of many against the few. Did you? Since you must have access to every piece of information about the region, you tell us!

You are on the wrong discussion here. We are discussing the comments that God intended a woman to bear a child from a violent crime...Rape.

Once again, men telling woman what is best for their own body. Men preaching about things that they will never experience . I am tired of people telling me how I should live my life through a man's eyes or their religion's eyes.

The fact that abortion is available, does not mean that everyone that has LEGAL access to the procedure will have one.

But it is still a choice.

Grazed: "repubs are trying to make rape legal and make women criminals."

You are so correct! Now god is FOR rape! It's a terrible thing to say but sometimes I wish men experienced rape and 9 mos pregnancy--and then you'd see Republicans change their tune! Abortion would be a sacrament!

How does this guy not know that rape and the resulting child is SATAN's gift?

(I'm not saying I believe in either god or the devil--I merely pose a question)

God is not a rapist....but, according to the Republicans, God likes to watch....

It's idiots like this that puts the incumbent idiots in office. Both extremes are dangerous. The incumbent idiot wants to create a socialistic state and "redistribute the wealth" to those who don't work, won't work and are a cancer to society.(Approximately 50% of Romney's idiotic 47% statement). The other extreme wants to continue to shield the Warren Buffetts and Bill Gates from paying their fair share of taxes while dictating how we should live and substitute the Bible for the constitution, which has become a worthless piece of paper under the incumbent idiot. Neither candidate or party is good for this country and until these extremists are kicked out of Washington and every state capital, this country will continue to be completely polarized to the extent that Idaho and Montana might become the only safe haven and even that will be temporary.

Oh boy....what if this guy get's elected? What will that say about the Democrat?

These sick, warped minded republican teabuggers are just disgusting. I guess they live so close to evil that they don't recognize that there is also the Devil's work. And to have many others believing them that they might get elected is a sad comment on the people of Indiana and their rural intelligence!

These sick, warped minded republican teabuggers are just disgusting. I guess they live so close to evil that they don't recognize that there is also the Devil's work. And to have many others believing them that they might get elected is a sad comment on the people of Indiana and their rural intelligence!

Kevin: "So how about Obama's lying on Libya? CAUGHT RED HANDED. Now THAT is big news too."

I know it's difficult--but please try to stay on topic. This is NOT about Libya--this is about your mother--your sister--your daughter--your cousin--your fellow female American citizens! MUCH more important than Libya!!!

Typical Republican deflection!

Mourdock, Is Satan's henchman!

This is exactly why we are supposed to be a country that is based on the separation of church and state. The religious right has no business in running our country and yet, here you go. When will we have another American Revolution in order to get rid of these idiots???

Ahhhh, gotta luv the GOP, and their slimy outlook toward women!!

I'm amazed that they even reproduce [have kids]!!

The libbies really are grasping at ANY issue to attack Mitt. What a laugh. I don't agree with the statement either and I doubt Mitt does so get a life libs. After obumbo's lies about Lybia I don't see how we can ever trust him again.

Mitt 2012

Ah, the weekly clueless, no class, republican is brought to you by Indiana this week. Congratulations Indiana for giving this moron consideration!

This guy is locked in a tight race? Is it the water? What the, is wrong with you voters? Keep this idiot out of office!

and this is the Republican platform that Romney/Ryan are on, How as a woman or a free thinking person support Republicans? They are not our Fathers Republican Party anymore, They are Americans Version of the Taliban, Vote straight Democratic Ticket this November lets send a clear message to the GOP/American Taliban you either straighten up or we are going to ship you out

Well, if we could not be all like the wind sock Joe Donnelly. The Democrats are lossing all over the country and in Indiana, they have no chance unless they SCARE women. Will Murdock overturn choice? NO!. But since Ole Joe can not stand on ANYTHING but this, I think it's sad. Murdock believes this is a VERY difficult decision, as he stated. Let me ask you idiots something. If you were standing in front of God what do you think his answer would be? I live in Donnely's district, He's done for us what Obama's done for the country. Support the the takers and not the makers! Murdock will win, and the tear down of American Society that Joe Donnely has supported in the 2nd district will be over.

Big picture folks, big picture. This guy is not going to get a change of law. To think so is silly. Otherwise his is a very good candidate. One flub should not be a game changer.

This guy's mindset is no different than Akin, and Akin was distanced by all GOP 'leaders,' and then a little later they all came back and stood behind him, because they NEED TO WIN SEATS, and that is the bottom line, at ALL costs. This is the work of the Devil, not 'God.'

While some evangelical Christians are defending
the presidential candidacy of Mormon Mitt Romney from an attack by Al Sharpton,
another prominent pastor is going further in his condemnation – saying a vote
for the former Massachusetts governor is a vote for Satan.

That's the word from Bill Keller, host of the
Florida-based Live Prayer TV program as well as LivePrayer.com.

"If you vote for Mitt Romney, you are voting
for Satan!" he writes in his daily devotional.

Keller also comes out swinging against the
Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints as a cult.

"This message today is not about Mitt Romney,"
he writes. "Romney is an unashamed and proud member of the Mormon cult founded
by a murdering polygamist pedophile named Joseph Smith nearly 200 years ago. The
teachings of the Mormon cult are doctrinally and theologically in complete
opposition to the Absolute Truth of God's Word. There is no common ground. If
Mormonism is true, then the Christian faith is a complete lie. There has never
been any question from the moment Smith's cult began that it was a work of Satan
and those who follow their false teachings will die and spend eternity in hell."

Keller is also critical of other evangelicals
who have reached out to Romney.

"I have watched in horror over the past weeks
as one evangelical Christian leader after another has either endorsed,
supported, or just as bad, refused to denounce Romney's run for the White House
and those Christian leaders who support him," Keller writes. "Last weekend Pat
Robertson, founder of CBN and Regent University, had Romney deliver the keynote
address to the graduates of Regent. Regent is one of the great Christian
colleges in this nation, and Robertson allowed this cult member to deliver the
commencement address. Is he out of his mind? Do you think there would ever be a
true Gospel preacher giving the commencement address at Brigham Young?"

Keller warned about Mormonism:

"I have been warning you for years now about
this cult born out of the pits of hell and responsible for sending millions of
souls to eternal damnation," Keller says. "For the nearly 200 years this cult
has been in existence they have strived for mainstream acceptance. They are the
most devious of all the cults since they have always tried to portray themselves
as 'just another Christian group' when in fact, they are no more Christian than
a Muslim is! Their deception starts with their name, the Church of Jesus Christ
of Latter Day Saints. Sounds like a Christian church doesn't it? Some Mormons
have recently changed their name to simply Community of Christ to disguise even
better who they are in an attempt to lure people in."

Keller says that when LDS members talk of God
and Jesus they are not talking about the God and Jesus of Christianity. He
claims Romney's high-profile candidacy for the presidency is an important effort
by the church to gain credibility and respectability.

He says if Romney wins the White House,
millions of people will be attracted to Mormonism.

"Those who follow the false teachings of this
cult, believe in the false jesus of the Mormon cult and reject faith in the one
true Jesus of the Bible, will die and spend eternity in hell," Keller charges.
"Romney getting elected president will ultimately lead millions of souls to the
eternal flames of hell!"

Keller also criticizes Romney for political
flip-flops on issues like abortion, citing a recent report that his wife donated
money to Planned Parenthood, the largest abortion provider in the world.

There is no excuse, no justification for
supporting and voting for a man who will be used by satan to lead the souls of
millions into the eternal flames of hell!"

geo, nice deflection. It wasn't a Democrat who said a child of rape is a gift from God. Also, you ask, "If you were standing in front of God what do you think his answer would be?" When I stand in front of my God, he will welcome me with open arms. Your judgemental, hateful God might just turn you away.

Okay, Okay.........Libya!!!

Please, please, please. Every last one of you blaming this on ALL Hoosiers, for the love of whatever you hold holy STOP IT. I don't care if you did live in the state for any period of time. I am a born and bred Hoosier Democrat with incredibly politically active parents. There are a fair number of us here. DO NOT throw us out with the trash like Mourdock. We HATE him far more than most of you people on here will ever understand -- not just because of what he stands for, but because he is an absolute embarrassment to Hoosier identity. He is a boil on our state. I know several people who registered Republican in the primary just to vote for Lugar, trying to keep this piece of human waste out of our politics. Does that mean there aren't plenty of idiots who will vote for him -- unfortunately, no, there are idiots who will vote for him no matter what. But then again, there are idiots like that in every state too easily swayed by sleaze, slander and manufactured threats offered by people like him. It is not unique to Indiana. Take a look - a good look - at our state's voting history... sure, Repubs often win, but the margin is seldom large. That means very close to half of our state does not buy this BS -- but a minority (however large) is still a minority. Do the rest of us not count for anything? We are fighting the good fight. Please do not denegrade or abandon us. It's your loss if you do. There are plenty of good people in Indiana. Mourdock's just not one of them.

Have you seen the patern folks, Akin, Mourdock, Ryan and even Romney. These people are trying to run your and my lifes. Let us not be a test experiment on social engineering, Vote straight Democrat this November, we cant have Reich Wing/American Taliban Dictators in Govt Positions

What makes this such a big story is not that we have yet another jerk who voters should reject solely on him being a jerk, but that Mitt Romney just endorsed this guy a day before he made this ludicrous statement. Romney is now distancing himself from the candidate, but within a couple days of endorsing him? The GOP had to know this guy was a loose cannon and should have chosen to take the chance on losing that seat rather than having something exactly like this happen.
This says a lot about both Romney and the GOP. The seat is more important to them than the principles (or rather lack of principles) the candidate has.
You are who you endorse in politics, especially when you can't put any time or distance between your endorsement and the gaffe or act of the person you endorsed, Romney can distance himself all he wants, but this was a bad judgement call that will still stick to him as it should.

jimsepa - Didn't see were it said it was a gift from God? Doubtful God would welcome you with open arms if you support killing of a fetus! However, delusion is a trait of Democrats.

If you believe in a god then everything is gods will and happens for a reason. I guess abortions, rape, incest well everything, would be gods will. Good or bad.

George - I agree.

Mitt Romney supports this guy, If Romney cannot find out about someone before he supports them how in the hell is he going to run our great nation? Either Romney is incompetent in vetting out this guy or he knew exactly what this guy stands for and this mans mouth opened up and spewed out exactly what he , Romney and the GOP stand for

If you believe in God and therefore Gods plan how can you not take what he says as truth?

I think it's a ghastly way to think but regardless of what side, left or right, you are on at some level this must make sense.

He is saying what the religious must believe to be religious. God is in control and if he wanted to stop attrocities he would.

MY God, YOUR God...i think we see the problem here...

DemocratinSD - Do you think Obama has been properly vetted yet?

And that, my friends, is what happens when you wed religion to state. God (or whoever) should have no say in this. I am personally pro-choice but not beyond the first trimester, which should be sufficient time for the woman or couple to decide, regardless of the circumstances that caused the pregnancy.

With this being said, a truck turns a corner and a bale of pot falls off and lands in my yard - I should then be legally forced to smoke it. God does not want the other guy to smoke it and he (God) placed it in my hands so the law (Government) has no right to take it away from me - in fact they must see to it that I smoke all of it.

A robber goes into a bank, shoots five people and leaves the bank with $50,000 and drives off. This ends up being a high speed chase with the police and the robber crashes in my yard hitting a tree. I must then be forced to keep the robber's car, the gun and the money as "God" intended for me to have it.

Someone drives a car under the influence of alcohol and kills two peole should now be commended by the family of the deceased, because he performed "God's" will. The intoxicated person should not be punished - it was not "the man's" will to get drunk - "God used his drunkeness to teach the survivor's of this family a lesson."

Your taking the family for a Sunday drive in the country following the speed limit, while you are going down a hill, someone in the back seat starts talking to you and you get a bit distracted, the car goes 5 or so miles over the speed limit and you get pulled over. That should be illegal for a policeman to stop you in the first place because it was "God's" will.

Sounds to me that "Everything is God's will" good or bad and that no one should be punished, we should not do anything to stop the "Bad" things that happen and that life goes on and regardless what happens that we all should always be happy and thank "God" for everything.

When will our Republican (and Tea Party) candidates shut up about their personal beliefs on abortion?? And then some ignorant comments like "God intended" when a rape causes a pregnancy?

I am not saying they don't have the right to their beliefs but don't they understand this election is about saving this country from the senseless and damaging policies of the Obama administration? Obama is causing an economic collapse AND putting our country in danger due to his foreign policy.

When asked about abortion the answer is simple "although I might have a different opinion on abortion the current law is the current law and will support the laws on the books" and DON'T answer any follow-up questions stating they are "hypothetical". If the Obama administration can do that for 4 years WE can do this for 30 days!! SHUT UP ABOUT ABORTION and keep the focus of the discussion on the economy and foreign policy!!

If we keep the topic on the economy and foreign policy Republicans will win. Let the topic drift to abortion and Republicans lose. Goodness gracious!! What stupid comments!!

stop the republican war on women!

Well, if 'God intended it to be that way' is a way to justify this, why wouldn't the same defense work for "Jim Smith is dead, not at the hand of Robert Thomas Jones, but because God intended it to be that way." A good Christian jury would have no way to do anything but find everyone not guilty.

"Your honor, I didn't drive drunk, God intended for it to be that way."

What a crock! Seriously, it is hard to fathom that people actually look at someone like this and say, "This person is representative of me and my beliefs."

The Truth the Reich Wing, Republicons dont want to talk about, They want to overturn Roe vs Wade, Make ALL abortions illegal, If Romney gets elected he will put in probably 2 Supreme Court Justices Like Scalia or Clarence Thomas Extreme Taliban Right Wing Thinking Justices, The same Justices who said Corporations are people too. This is not the time to vote for Republicons, They are far to extreme for the mainstream, vote straight Democrat this November, Your American way of life and Values will depend on it

I'm not sorry to say that you leftists are truly despicable people. I don't like what this candidate said, but he didn't say what nearly every one of you claim he said. I'm a republican AND an atheist, just for the record. What he said was that the LIFE was a gift from God, not the rape. I don't agree with the position that the rape victim should be disallowed an opportunity to abort the fetus, but I also don't agree that any abortion should be allowed for any reason.

It's very complex, and good people can differ on how they decide this issue, but I can't see how killing that fetus, as bad as I think killing any fetus is, is the larger harm than making the rape or incest victim carry the unwanted child to term. There was no irresponsible act on her part, just a violent crime against her.

It's fine with me that you all oppose republicans. I really don't care what your personal political views are. But I am sick and tired of the unceasing lies each side tells about the other in the hope that either their own morality will be viewed as superior, or their opponents will be seen as evil. Just be fair, and to virtually every poster above, please stop lying about your opponents. He simply didn't say what you claim he did.

Yep ProBiz! It is a shame when Republicans open their mouths and speak their truth, isn't it? Like you said--when they do that " Republicans lose!" As they should!

geo, "....if you support killing of a fetus!" Please don't assume to know what I support and don't support. So let me tell you flat out what I support: the rights of another person to make a decision based on their own beliefs; you know, the way America is supposed to work.

And for all those Republicons who are saying well we don't agree--or we can't overturn choice, etc.--THEN WHY IS ANTI-CHOICE PART OF YOUR PARTY'S PLATFORM?

You can't have it both ways--unless you're doing "satan's" work?

(and I'm not saying I believe in god or the devil--but if I did--this is SATAN'S handiwork!)

This just goes to show why everyone refers to the Republican party as being run by the Tealiban. The GOP really does believe that women have no rights and should be in the kitchen, barefoot and pregnant.

If rape is the "Will of God"
Then so are abortions.

Rich, you are walking a very fine line there in your effort to defend this man. If the life created is a "gift" - then the logical extension of that is that the man who facilitated the life was the bearer of the "gift." It is not a large logical leap, therefore, to extrapolate this statement as supporting the concept that rape, by extension, is a gift. To get this from his statement is not a lie. It is a very logical continuation of the train of thought. If this is not what he meant, he has a piss-poor way of expressing himself and needs to stop and think long and hard before he opens his mouth.

As for whether or not a rape fetus is aborted should be up to the woman who was the victim of the crime. It is her choice to see it as a gift and keep the baby or see it as an unacceptable continuation of her victimization. We agree on that. Good. But here's the thing -- Mourdock and all of his ilk want to take that choice away - and that is where we have a serious problem.

It's more than just a solitary flub DB. There's something alarmingly arrogant about claiming to be a spokesman for God's intentions. Personally, I would never dare.

All I know is, if I believed in a god, and I do not, but if I did, it would not be the same god that this idiot believes in.

Lance Johnson - 5076203

I got news for you bud. Republicans would never approve of rape. I am a Republican and the guy that would try and doubtfully but possibly succeed had better hope the cops find him before I do. The poorly stated comment was not intended to say rape is ok. It seems he believes that any life that begins was planned by God. I don't really agree with him but some people, obviously him, believe that strongly in the sanctity of life. On the other side of the coin liberals would give no protection to new life at all. So, who is the monster here? When a liberal says it is ok to abort a child because it was a girl not a boy should women applaud? When liberals set about to genetically determine the hair color and eye color of their baby to be, is that to be applauded? Grow a brain people.

Yes tJohn, they were all doing god's work.

Obama/Biden 2012

jimsepa

I am afraid in the mind of the Democrat liberals there is only one opinion allowed. Thier opinion alone. That is how Hitler gained power wasn't it? Making all his followers think his ideas were the only correct ideas. His opinon of who should live and who should die, the only correct opinion. Sad how easily a lemming society is created. Sad how they can be brought to de-value life. What really makes me shake my head is the environmentalists among them who think that a group that gives absolutely no value to human life would really value animal life enough to forgo any opportunity to enrich themselves.

Shaking, just another deflection. Saying a liberal accepts abortion to select the sex of the baby or to genetically determine the hair or eye color is ludicrous. Let's be real here.

And you describe the liberal position all wrong - we believe that EVERYONE'S opinion is allowed. You don't want an abortion, don't get one. If you don't want to get gay married, then don't get gay married, on and on. We believe that the individual should make the decision, not one group (especially not one religious group).

bigdog464

Given the people you seem to admire I can see why you can't afford to believe in God. People who admire someone who cheats and lies don't want to think it has any consequences now or later. A lot of surprised faces to come if the Myans were correct and Dec 21 brings the end of life as we know it.

joe mota

Next thing they'll be pushing the "God Defense" for rapists. These right wing Christian wackos are every bit as insane as the Taliban. Thankfully they're not as violent.

Tell that to the families of physicians who have been murdered for working at women's clinics. It's not that they are any less violent...they're just not well organized yet.

Remember, a vote for a Republican is a vote for the American Taliban.

Just look what this guy believes,

... and by no means was I suggesting that He does.

News flash: God is a male.

Would you expect any different from a male chauvinist?

jimsepa

I hate to be the one to tell you but it is already being done. Do you think a liberal who thinks it is ok to kill a baby would hesitate for a minute to manipulate the baby they do decide to have?

Exactly my point if you think life has so little value that any pregnant woman should be able to kill that life out of pure selfishness of not wanting to be inconvenienced or embarrased before others than you do not value life anymore than any other liberal and value only self satisfaction. Sad.

Shaking my head-2479300

When a liberal says it is ok to abort a child because it was a girl not a boy should women applaud?

Care to give us an example? That seems like a strange comment coming from a Republican. Since it's the Republicans who want to control women's reproduction, it seems to me they share some attitudes with a certain group in the middle-east...one being a relatively low opinion of women.

Republicans embrace stupidity as a gift from God.

geo-1957883

jimsepa - Didn't see were it said it was a gift from God? Doubtful God would welcome you with open arms if you support killing of a fetus! However, delusion is a trait of Democrats.

Just FYI- It's not a fetus until the 11th week of pregnancy. And about 3/4 of abortions are done before that point.

(I'm against abortion for myself, couldn't do it unless the baby had no chance for survival. But I can't support laws against it, especially during the first trimester. I might possibly get behind a law against it after 20 weeks or so, excepting medical issues, as we're getting to the point where that's a viable pre-term delivery.)

Shaking my head-2479300

jimsepa

I hate to be the one to tell you but it is already being done. Do you think a liberal who thinks it is ok to kill a baby would hesitate for a minute to manipulate the baby they do decide to have?

Clearly you have no idea what a liberal thinks. That being the case what do you do? You project your own sense of morality to the liberal. This is exactly the problem with RWNJs.

jimsepa

I do have to tell you I would agree sometimes an abortion is a decision a woman should be allowed to make when the result will be the loss of the babies life or her own life. In that case she has lots to consider.

I do not agree and never will that a woman who sleeps around, gets pregnant out of laziness in using proper prevention should then be able to make the child she created through her own laziness or disregard, suffer death to prevent her any consequences for her actions. If you condone abortion on demand that is precisely what you are condoning. I bet you would turn around and sit in a tree to keep it from being cut down.

Can you please explain that kind of convoluted logic to me? I just can't wrap my mind around it!

And yet another perverted, sick Tea Partier heard from. THIS is what the Republican party has become!

Obama/Biden 2012

jimsepa - I agree, Murdock has his beliefs, and he has said them. Why the hatred of his opinion? Why does the vast majority on THIS post say he is wrong? Did Murdock say he will outlaw Abortion? NO! This is Obviously a trap by Donelly, because he can not win any other way, like wise with Obama? With the Democrats falling behind everywhere, they have to fire up the base with the ONLY thing they have, ABORTION. What a sad outlook for Democrats, visionless again!

Shaking, your asking your question in a slanted way. I don't think it's OK to kill a baby. The million dollar question that some want to impose on another is what defines a baby - a fetus? But I'll tell you this much; I'm not going to debate the origins of life on a chat room forum. Personal remains personal, even anonymously. I'll debate the right for personal choice until the cows come home, though.

(BTW, you ask, "...Can you please explain that kind of convoluted logic to me?" I'm a guy. I cannot speak for woman-kind nor for their reasons for abortion; it's not my place. I just believe in personal choice)

Ol Doc

Give you an example? An example of what? If you liberals have your way an abortion on demand will lead to this and much worse.

The BS you guys spread that Republicans want to control women's reproductive life is a flat out lie. What we want is for people including women to take some personal responsibility for their own actions, not be oblivious to the fact that if they don't want a child they should do everything they can to prevent conception, not just think "well if it happens I'll just get an abortion". Nor should they use their reproductive life as a tool as many do. Even with all the science available to prevent conception women still get pregnant to get a man to marry them. Then many will threaten to kill the child with abortion if the does not agree. Do you really think that is ok? There are a lot of pitfalls for society if abortion on demand becomes the accepted norm.

Would you say laws against murder are attempts to control the murderers anger expressions?

There has to be some lines drawn in any human situation. Otherwise human nature can lead to some pretty horrible outcomes. Have none of you learned this from history or do they not teach history where you went to school?

So this moron Murdock condones rape?

All rape should be legal in this guy's mind since, his moronic god, will sort it out and impregnate the ones that should be impregnated.

I WANT A DEMOCRACY, NOT A LUNATIC THEOCRACY!

jimsepa

I don't think the origin of life is ours to determine but giving "personal choice" without personal responsibility is a recipe for disaster, given what human nature has done in the past.

bigdog464

If you truly want a Democracy (fyi we have a republic) and not a theocracy than you better worry more about Obama than abortion. Have you read his book?

"if the winds change, I will stand with the Muslims." You do know what kind of society they have don't you.

If you believe in a god then everything is gods will and happens for a reason. I guess abortions, rape, incest well everything, would be gods will. Good or bad.

Totally illogical!
God cannot be associated with evil.

Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:
Jas. 1:13

Man's freedom of choice is what causes evil things to happen.
God's will is for man to eschew evil.

Let him eschew evil, and do good; let him seek peace, and ensue it.
¹² For the eyes of the Lord are over the righteous, and his ears are open unto their prayers: but the face of the Lord is against them that do evil.
For it is better, if the will of God be so, that ye suffer for well doing, than for evil doing. 1 Pet. 3:11-12, 17

One can know what God's will is.

¹⁶ Redeeming the time, because the days are evil.
¹⁷ Wherefore be ye not unwise, but understanding what the will of the Lord is. Eph. 5:16-17

It's God's will for all men to be saved.

The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. 2 Pet. 3:9

There's a difference in what God allows to happen by giving man a free choice, and God wanting those things to occur.

The god of this world is he who brings evil.

In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them. 2 Cor. 4:4

I believe in God, but not a Creator that has created minds with an inability to reason.

Who gave himself for our sins, that he might deliver us from this present evil world, according to the will of God and our Father:
Gal. 1:4

People shouldn't confuse who God is with what others claim Him to be!

Let's see if I've got this straight. If the act of rape was the intentions of God then the person committing the rape should not go to jail since he was only carrying out His wish. That means that all the people murdered by Charles Manson were intended by God to be murdered and Charles Manson was only carrying out His wish therefore Manson should be set free to fulfill His command.

Gee...where do the Republicans find these people and why do they allow them to run on their ticket if it they don't have the same views?

Listen people. You that say God wants this and God want that are overlooking the real purpose of why God created man. He put man on Earth to test you soul to see the real you. How you react under duress. How you treat others less fortunate. He does not worry about your body because it's only dust to dust after you die but if you conduct yourself to his liking then you may enter the Kingdom of Heaven.

USA: "I don't agree with the statement either and I doubt Mitt does so get a life libs"

You "doubt?" You "doubt"? I believe you, USA. But how the heck can you elect someone about whose platform you are in DOUBT? You don't know? I have news for you--Mitt supports the Republican platform which is against choice for women even in the case of rape and incest.

No need to doubt, USA. Vote Democrat for certainty!

American voters will have to decide if this is the type of leadership we want in our nation. I am a Christian and am anti-abortion (with exceptions), but that is my own personal opinion, and I do not feel that I can inflict my faith or my views on other people. I can stand up for my beliefs, but to try and force them on others is not only an infringement of freedom, it is also un-Christian.

Mourdock is entitled to his opinion and to state them. I have no problem with that. But, if he and others like him, hold a majority in our Senate, Congress, or White House, then our freedoms are in big trouble.

Freedom of choice is just as important as freedom of speech.

The comments made were not wrong but how it was said, and the perception it gives, was wrong. My previous point was NOT that the comment was wrong but rather WHY do Republicans allow themselves to be pulled into a comment that cannot benefit them or the Republican party in any way.

That is like asking Obama what country would you like the United States to most look like in four years if reelected. There is NOTHING Obama could say that would benefit him. That would be a question and response that will do nothing but cause problems.

That is also like asking Obama if the administration intentionally let it happen or the administration just made bad decisions in the Benghazi Libya attack. That question should NOT be answered. Not that Obama wants to hide is opinion or mislead but rather there is no answer that will benefit him.

Same thing when Republicans are asked questions about abortions. It is clear Republicans, generally speaking, believe life begins at conception but to answer hypothetical questions about what they would do with rape, incest, etc. does not benefit them. They are NOT hiding or misleading but rather the question itself will not benefit them. So simply answer that they support the current law and that is that. WHY do they continue to answer questions that are simply biased media looking for a sound clip?

It is called politics. Hate it if you want but Obama does not answer questions that won't benefit his campaign, Romney does not answer questions that won't benefit his campaign, and every other candidate in the country does not answer questions that won't benefit their campaign so why does 1 or 2 Republicans not realize the same thing? Don't answer "gotcha" questions from the biased media - period.

Question of the day:

Who stands to lose more in this election if the republicans ( The party of the cranks and crazies ), win the election?

Answer: Women, plain and simple.

Don't believe it?

Follow this 2 links:

http://historyonthenet.com/Nazi_Germany/women.htm

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1142824/Nazi-women-exposed-bit-bad-Hitlers-deranged-male-followers.html

Per the article:
Under the third Reich (Hitler's women ):

Unmarried women were also encouraged to have children and for those without a husband they could visit the local Lebensborn where they could be made pregnant by a racially pure member of the SS.

And then answer this one question as honestly as possible:

What political party in America today right now, best align themselves with the platform ideology of these 2 links?

I have been saying this for months now.

I dont want to take back the senate if it means electing morons like this. These types scare me as much as the socialists. I miss sane libertarians.

If you miss them so much why not vote for Gary Johnson?

Shaking your head: I can see why!

"if the winds change, I will stand with the Muslims." You do know what kind of society they have don't you."

If you're going to quote--please quote the entire paragraph--it does NOT say what you imply. Go get the right IN CONTEXT quote--come back and regurgitate it here.

I DARE YOU! I know you won't because it would make Obama look golden.

P.S. Yes! We do "know what kind of society they have..." The kind of society that says it's god's will when women are raped--and that prevents women from choosing what to do with their own bodies.

Just like the Republican party platform!

WOW!! These pro-gun, pro-war, pro-death penalty, pro-life? teabaggers do have a way with words. I thought God created life, as in Adam and Eve. So, we are to believe God is involved in every conception, including the ones resulting from rape? God is a very busy guy. Maybe it's me but don't see God micro-managing his creations. What of free will? If your belief system tells you ALL life is sacred at conception, so be it. Personally, mine doesn't. It's the individual's (woman's) choice. Not some sleazy politician, the state, the federal government, or even the Supreme Court that should be allowed to decide and face the consequences on judgment day. Being pro-choice means supporting free will for all; God given free will, should you be so inclined. Just like freedom to worship whatever God you choose, or not; it's not something that should be subject to legislation. These wholly-than-thou politicians need to change professions if they want to preach their brand of morality. I'm sick of it!

..."rape is something God intended to happen."

I wonder if this creep's viewpoint would be different if rape happened to him, or his kids? ("God" forbid he has any.)

Shocking statement. I would be embarrassed to have him represent me.

It is called politics. Hate it if you want but Obama does not answer questions that won't benefit his campaign, Romney does not answer questions that won't benefit his campaign, and every other candidate in the country does not answer questions that won't benefit their campaign so why does 1 or 2 Republicans not realize the same thing? Don't answer "gotcha" questions from the biased media - period.

So your pic basically says Obama lies yet you are encouraging lying by omission of candidates.

That is like asking Obama what country would you like the United States to most look like in four years if reelected. There is NOTHING Obama could say that would benefit him. That would be a question and response that will do nothing but cause problems.

You're wrong ProBusiness. Obama would say he would like the United States to look like the country we had before G W Bush took office.

Spin spin spin, Probiz--no matter how matter words and/or paragraphs you use--you CANNOT spin your way out of this.

The Republicans are waging a war on women. Are you a woman, Probiz?

If not--your choice is not in danger by electing Mitt. So I can understand your spinning--but it does NOT make you right.

"I'm Rich Mourdock,
And I am crazy,
Cuz if you get raped,
You'll have that baby!"

- sung to the tune of "Call Me Maybe"

This is the inevitable consequence of believing in a pretend god... eventually extremism takes over those infected. Just watch, there will be NO outrage from the Christian leadership, followers or politicians. They will pretend to be outraged but then carry-on trying to impose their nonsensical beliefs on secular America.

Hi saddened,

I'm not sure why a thin line matters since most every moral defense is decided thinly. I think you make my case, unintentionally though, when you say that you are taking his words to their logical conclusions. This means that you are using your logic and reason, applied to his comments, to make your case he's wrong. But what if he doesn't share your conclusions and doesn't believe rape is God-given? What if his point is that life is precious and should be protected regardless of how that life is created? See, he may never get to the conclusion you impose on him as his own, one he openly rejects if you have followed this story, yet your "side" continues to impose it upon him. For what reason? Is there any reason other than the one I claimed above?

Now, here is a moral question for you. Which offends your moral sensibilities more? A candidate who voted multiple times to deny life saving care for babies born ALIVE following botched abortions, OR, a candidate who thinks unborn life, beginning at conception, is to be valued as precious and not killed? Looked at another way...Is your liberty to kill an unborn fetus more valuable to you than the liberty of the living baby following a botched abortion to stay alive?

If it is God's Will, then the rapist is doing "God's" work, then pray tell why that is a crime? How about incest? Etal!!!

Seems like every time any Republican opens their mouth, they spew pure garbage (replace garbage with your own word) from that orifice.

Man's will cannot be placed upon God's shoulders.. If a man rapes a women, it's not what God intended.. God is not an evil being and does not intend evil to happen to others.. Saying so is blasphemy according to my religeon (Christian/Methodist).. It says in the Bible that everyone's life is predestined and that God knows everyone's lives beginning to end.. It does not say however that he is responsible for how we lead it.. God made man in his image and gave man a set of morals (commanments).. What man does with this is man's will NOT God's..

With the abortion issue, it says in the Bible thou shalt not kill.. It's against God's will to kill.. I don't personally believe in abortion, because of this, but I don't judge those that want one.. In my personal opinion I feel some younger girls use abortion as birth control which I feel is wrong.. With contreception available to avoid pregnancy, I feel like there should be no "ooops", but that's just my opinion. I don't think that the Government should be able to tell you wether or not you can have one.. I also feel that if the Government is to have no say in this procedure, then it shouldn't be paid for by the Government (taxpayers) either..

I am a Republican, but this guy is JUST LIKE AKIN, NUTS..

I don't agree with what he says about God, or womens' rights..

Richard Mourdoch is a Nut Case and now Indiana and the whole world knows! The majority of voters in Indiana don't believe the hogwash Mourdock is spouting.

When a Republican is told that there is a first amendment

think they can say anything, and then they speak their mind...

again, in this case they prove that their mind is an empty wasteland of moral indifference .

We in America have a lot to thank the KOCH Brothers for....like creating a domestic Taliban of intolerance which has no sense of SHAME .

Shaking YOUR head: "People who admire someone who cheats and lies don't want to think it has any consequences now or later"

4 words: Newt Gringrich; Herman Cain

(and I'm sure there's a host of other Republicon names which could be added to the list) Judge not, lest YE be judged.

The Tea Party is a very scary organization.

It gets more like an American Taliban every day.

Our church had a TP couple on the Youth Committee for a while. When deciding what would be some good Christian activities for the teenagers that upcoming year, this couple suggested that all entertainment be taken out of the program and be replaced with full-time, in-depth Bible Study. They said that was what teens "really wanted."

Come on, TP folks. Teens are teens whether they are Christian are not. They like to have fun, too. Nothing un-Christian about that!

I'm sick of it. Enough is enough! We absolutely MUST change the mindset of these guys who have presumed the license to interfere with such a personal woman's issue! The audacity of creeps like this who think they have the right to even voice their opinion about a woman's pregnancy is absurd, and it's got to change. Women can do this, if they stick together and stop being subservient to their husbands.That's where it all starts. Religion (specifically Mormonism, by the way, i.e., Romney) has made slaves of women "because that is what God intended". B.S.

There are so many good folks in Indiana ... but there are way more down right idiots ... and the good ones know this ... they have to live with them!!!!!!

I'm sure glad I don't ... and god save me from Romney ... you failed me with Bush!

Shaking YOUR head: "I am afraid in the mind of the Democrat liberals there is only one opinion allowed. Thier opinion alone"

SERIOUSLY? The Republicons want to overturn choice for women (the Democrats are NOT for forcing anyone to have an abortion). But it's NOT JUST AN OPINION--the Republicons want to force women to go through 9 mos pregnancy after they're RAPED! That goes WAY further than just having "an opinion!"

You are describing the Republicon conservatives--NOT the Democratic liberals!

Pot meet kettle!

"He is locked in a tight race with Donnelly ahead of the November 6 election."

He just lost. You can't blame God for any wrong thing.

While I am a Christian, those who think that every bad thing that happens is 'God's Will' clearly do not understand the Bible. To do so implies that God controls every action and anything Satan does is meaningless. If that were true, then everything is predestined to happen, and if that is true, then we should not even try to do good things to please God because it doesn't matter.

And what would be the meaning of Proverbs 27:11 - "My son, be wise, and make my heart glad, that I may answer him that reproacheth me." If God already knows what we will do, why would God ask us to do anything, and how could we possibly do anything to please God?

And the Republicons/TP = American Taliban want us to believe that out of 350 Million Americans it is not the GOP platform of WAR on Women, it is a Coincidence that Akin,Mourdoch, Ryan all believe the same thing out of the small amount of people running for Congress. I dont buy it. It is coming from the ULTRA EXTREMIST RIGHT WING AMERICAN TALIBAN, we do not need extremist on main-street

Obama/Biden 2012 We dont need the Taliban here in the United States

"Big picture folks, big picture. This guy is not going to get a change of law. To think so is silly. Otherwise his is a very good candidate. One flub should not be a game changer."

Says the person who will never have to worry about their body being legislated by the opposite sex. True, this prick may not get to change a law, but his views are a large part of what the new republican party represents. Not gonna lie, I'm a lefty, but I reallllly miss the republican party of old. *sigh*

This is how it works: In his twisted, religious mind, he apparently believes in the presdestination of souls. These souls, according to religion, are destined to be born---no matter what the circumstances of conception. Yet, I contend that if a woman gets an abortion, that 'soul' wasn't predestined to be here and if their God is so all-knowing, then he knows that ahead of time.

So, it's OK to get an abortion.

We now know Richard Mourdoch is "LOONY." The majority of voters in Indiana don't believe the hogwash Mourdock is spouting. Mourdoch is an embarrassment to the people of Indiana and to the State of Indiana.

Shaking your head: " What really makes me shake my head is the environmentalists among them who think that a group that gives absolutely no value to human life would really value animal life enough to forgo any opportunity to enrich themselves."

WRONG! Environmentalists value Mother Earth and all who depend upon her--plants--animals--and YES WE HUMANS. What opportunity will we have to "enrich ourselves" if we kill Mother Earth? Why must one preclude the other?

This is what should REALLY make you shake your head!!! (But please be careful--too much head shaking can damage your brain!)

And then to see that Donnelly up by only 2 percentage points over Mourdock. What the hell is wrong with people these days?

When I see news reports that the Romney/Ryan campaign is gaining among women voters, I have to ask myself what is wrong with women these days? Why would you willingly vote for someone who believes that you don't deserve control over your reproductive life? Someone who doesn't support equal pay for equal work? I'm old enough to remember a time when women protested and marched for equal rights. Now, they're meekly surrendering them a generation later.

I can see the NEW Signs for romney:

"Rapist for Romney"

Ged rid of these creeps..it's not just murdock, atkins they ALL Stand with ryan and his 38 bills + on Limitiing Women Rights"

A Womens right to choose is as important as a Women's right to Free Speech.

Remember Women Also have the RIGHT to VOTE!

If you don't you may lose that as well!

Pay Attention ...their is gop Fackery goin on...

VOTE OBAMA/Biden 2012

So when a Doctor removes a rape fetus, god meant for that to happen also. Easy.

It is not "Mother Earth". It is a planet, not another god. There are no gods.

This kind of right-wing nut job thinking is why I left the republican party to Independent...

I don't think that I will ever be able to vote for any republican ever again...

The party has gone down a slippery slope... it's not the party of Reagan...

Ladies, I have one thing to say:

REMEMBER IN NOVEMBER!!!

Obama/Biden

I hear ya, Terry-Ca,

I voted for Bush twice, and will never vote GOP again, especially now that it has been hijacked by the Tea Party fanatics.

I do not agree and never will that a woman who sleeps around, gets pregnant out of laziness in using proper prevention should then be able to make the child she created through her own laziness or disregard, suffer death to prevent her any consequences for her actions. If you condone abortion on demand that is precisely what you are condoning.

Pardon me if I'm going out on a limb here, but you seem to be implying that abortion is more acceptable when the mother does take every reasonable precaution to prevent pregnancy. So who do you propose screen abortion candidates to decide which ones are the "responsible" ones deserving of an abortion and which ones are the harlots who should be forced to carry their fetus to term? The government? Or should the government mandate that private abortion providers do it? Perhaps independent panels composed of ethicists, clerics, and social workers?

Scientifically, it is impossible to deny that abortion ends the life of a human individual. Reasonable regulations, such as restricting third trimester abortions, should not be off the table. However, when you propose to start screening people to see who deserves an abortion and who does not, you propose creating a monster. Ultimately, the decision whether or not to abort should be the personal responsibility of the mother. They're the ones who have to live with it.

No geo, you are wrong...if you read ALL of what Murdock said...he said that it was a very difficult decision for HIM (as if he's the one going through the rape and pregnancy) and that he thought long and hard about it and that HE would ONLY endorce abortion if the woman's life was at risk. So, fully LISTEN to what you are defending someone saying before trying to defend it...then you won't sound so ignorant. YOu are simply defending him because he's republican...not because of who he is and what he's about. Sad.

Hi Terry,

When, if you could hep me, did Ronald Reagan or the Republican party ever support abortion rights without any restrictions of any kind? You claim you miss that old party, but that old party opposed Roe (for many GOOD reasons too), enacted the Hyde Amendment, and has generally opposed all funding for abortion providers even if the funds themselves were not, per se, for abortion (money is fungible so giving money to one function helps to facilitate the other anyhow).

So far in this thread I've seen almost no one get Mourdoch's quote and context right. I've seen almost no one get party history right. I've seen almost no one get the religious argument right (which is truly sad since I'm an atheist). The real argument is that God must not approve of rape, but must approve of life. It gets much more complex but leftists here can't even get that much right. There is no war on women, but most all leftists believe one exists. Many women themselves oppose abortion after all.

All we have after 150 posts or so is lots of heat and almost no light.

If men could get raped and become pregnant (or even if they could just become pregnant) - abortion would not only be legal, it'd be rampant.

please men, stop offering your opinions on something you will NEVER have to make a choice about.

it's like me saying "i think extremely rich people should pay 99% taxes" - because you know, i'll never be extremely rich...so what do I care. (perhaps thats an analogy the conservatives can grasp)

if abortion is made illegal, then shouldn't the rapist sperm which has now impregnated the egg (the life at conception allowance) the child at birth should then be incarcerated because the sperm raped the egg. just following to conclusion of what should be the thinking the far right zealots.

You people who think that romney is going to bring jobs back to the United states are completely WRONG, The writing is on the wall if you would only open your eyes. Case in point Sensata 200 American Workers lost there jobs, by Bain shipping there jobs overseas. I know Romney is not running that Company Now but nonetheless He started that Company and he could of VERY Easily made a call to the CEO that He Himself picked out and said, Hey I am running for POTUS and it would look good if we keep these jobs Here in The United States and we will make a Buck later down the road, but he didn't He wants to make the Buck NOW. So when it comes to making money over American Jobs he has shown you and me he will take the Money Every time

This is your mind on republican. Ladies, do we really want republicans to have power over you and your body's like this? Important question.

All Republicans, including Romney, signed to uphold the Ryan-Akin bill that bans abortion for any reason. It doesn't matter what Romney said in a debate, any Republican in Congress or the Senate will try to stop care for women. This includes emergency C-sections for sudden high blood pressure, a tear in the uterus, or other complications of pregnancy: imagine having to go to court first, killing both the mother and baby. Imagine a rape victim, already a hairs-breadth away from suicide, having to go to court. Add to this that they will take away health screenings of women, and healthcare for children.

Defeat every Republican running for House, Senate, and President.

The American Taliban/Republican party/Teabaggers are officially pro-rape and treat women just like the Taliban... as worthless property to be exploited by men.

They are disgusting and dangerous just like their religious views.

IndependantSD: You forgot to mention that Romney STILL has a controlling interest in Bain, and although he calls it a "blind trust," notice that he has not dumped his stock in that company.

You also forgot to mention that those high-tech Sensata jobs are disappearing in November 2012, the jobs going to China. And the Chinese engineers played video games when they were supposed to be trained by the American engineers; they don't even know what they are going to be doing, and those parts are ESSENTIAL for car safety on American highways. Thanks Romney, you get to kill us twice, even if you don't become President.

Shaking my head-2479300

Ol Doc

Give you an example? An example of what? If you liberals have your way an abortion on demand will lead to this and much worse.

Again, if you can't give me a link to an actual article then you are making this sh!t up! That doesn't constitute evidence of anything but your perverse imagination.

The BS you guys spread that Republicans want to control women's reproductive life is a flat out lie.

Let's discuss the "BS". You just expressed your party's need to control women's reproductive life in a previous post where you state "women should be allowed to decide..." Women should be allowed? Really? Which council of old white men should make the decision to allow women to make decisions regarding reproduction and their own bodies?

What we want is for people including women to take some personal responsibility for their own actions, not be oblivious to the fact that if they don't want a child they should do everything they can to prevent conception, not just think "well if it happens

Horsecrap! Republicans also express a desire to limit access to birth control. That just doesn't square with your comment.

I'll just get an abortion". Nor should they use their reproductive life as a tool as many do. Even with all the science available to prevent conception women still get pregnant to get a man to marry them. Then many will threaten to kill the child with abortion if the does not agree.

Are you a teenage boy? Your comment is so adolescent it doesn't even warrant a response.

Would you say laws against murder are attempts to control the murderers anger expressions?

Another nonsensical question/comment.

There has to be some lines drawn in any human situation. Otherwise human nature can lead to some pretty horrible outcomes. Have none of you learned this from history or do they not teach history where you went to school?

What is it exactly you have learned in school informing you that controlling women's reproductive functions will prevent historically horrible outcomes? Shall we discuss lessons learned from history? How about the lessons regarding unnecessary wars and neo-conservatives? Are you aware your candidate has actually hired George W. Bush's former foreign affairs advisers? The ones who brought us the war in Iraq? I guess Republicans don't have a problem with those same neo-conservatives running the country again.

Rich: I am a Christian, but there are times that even God approves of war, and the Egyptian army was washed away at the Passover of the Red Sea. If you think that a fully intelligent adult dying is something that should be taken lightly, think again. There is a time for war, there is a time for peace (Ecclesiastes). So much for "life" being upheld at any cost in the Bible. It is simply not true.

If a woman is raped, she is attacked in an act of violence, and the violence against her body is something she has every right to stop, just as Joshua took back the land by violence. If she wants to give the child away for adoption, that should be her choice, not the choice of Congress. I see nothing but a men's club deciding what women should or should not do; this is not a matter of our species becoming extinct if we cease to accept every single possible pregnancy. As I see it, America's population is growing rapidly without taking away women's rights.

But if anybody, you (especially as you are an atheist) or anybody else, questions my faith in God based on my gender, that is YOUR problem, not mine. There are plenty of women IN CHURCHES that use birth control (or else families would be at least ten kids each), and plenty of women that have had emergency C-sections, miscarriages, and all sorts of other things that are NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS.

they hard at work looking under every rock they can find to see what slime comes out

Here in Democratic Northwest Indiana Murdock yard signs are everywhere. So they don't have to work hard to find them. We just have a lot of idiots. I'd put out a Obama yard sign but it would last one night. Our local catholic church has paid for a lot of yard signs throughout the town. They say "We believe in freedom of religion" and show a ballot being checked with a cross. Indiana used to be one of the states with the highest Klan membership. Now we are more discreet.

Shaking: " Nor should they use their reproductive life as a tool as many do. Even with all the science available to prevent conception women still get pregnant to get a man to marry them. Then many will threaten to kill the child with abortion if the does not agree. "

You really hate women, don't you? Who did this to you? Your girlfriend? Your wife? Did your sister do this? Your daughter? Your cousin? Your neighbor? Your stated opinion is EXACTLY the Republicon war-on-women opinion. No woman I know uses her "reproductive life as a tool."

And all a man has to do to prevent this--is USE BIRTH CONTROL or KEEP IT ZIPPED. Problem solved!

Shame on you!

Bored: "It is not "Mother Earth". It is a planet, not another god. There are no gods."

Where did you get the idea that "Mother Earth" is synonymous with "god?" "Mother Earth" is simply a poetic term for planet Earth.

But I do find it ironic that on a thread re: women and mothers--this was your response.

Goddess bless you (sorry I couldn't help myself). Peace! ;^)

I can't believe there are so many nuts in the Republican party and worst still, they are supposed to be well educated people. Anyone who votes for Republicans must put themselves on the same nutty level. Religion should be kept out of our politics. I for one don't want elected officials imposing their crazy believes on me. They are using religion as a tool to get elected because they have no other platform to run on. I have always said religion tells you how to live your life and creates hatred. Religious leaders are no different than Republicans because they all want to dictate how we live when we all know the difference between good and bad. We don't need religion in our lives or elected officials telling us what we can and can't do in our personal lives. The GOP has been taken over by the KKK and religious nut cases so America take back control our your own lives and kick the right wing nuts out. Enough is Enough.

ProBusiness,

Republicans don't get pulling into anything! Stupid just comes naturally!

Maxwell, the situation he/she explains is NOT uncommon.. Sometimes women use children for entrapment purposes (not a suprise there, ever seen a divorcing couple fight over children?).. They say they are on the pill (even though if I was a man I would use a condom) and they're not.. Some women do use their reproductive parts as a "tool" and that is sad.. They actually have Maury Povich TV specials on stuff like this.. I HATE REALITY "Who's my baby daddy?" SHOWS.. They do show however the sort of situation he was explaining..

Although I really don't see what that has to do with Murdoch's abortion comment.. My two cents..

shakingmyhead,

#1) a fertilized egg is not a baby. let's set that straight right now. when a woman has an abortion they are not killing babies.

#2) your personal belief about an individual woman's morals does not matter. your opinion on the matter does not matter.

#3) birth control contraceptives are also used to treat cysts on ovaries. they serve a medical purpose.

Live your own life, otherwise expose how you live your life and let me pick it apart and find fault with what you do in your pristine world.

Kevin C-752389

Don't lump all Republicans in with this moron.

I understand that many Republicans, and probably most, do not support this view. However, those of you that don't, have a responsibility to purge these idiots from your party. Don't just rely on the Democrats to take out your garbage.

You can say that he's otherwise a good candidate, but where do you draw the line? What if he was "otherwise a good candidate" but endorsed pedophilia? The problem is that you Republicans that don't agree with him on this issue, will still vote for him because he's not the Democrat. I understand that no candidate will match our philosophical view entirely and we make compromises in the voting booth, but there are some issues where we must draw a line. When you don't, all you do is support the further warping of what your party stands for.

I would debate that someone who thinks like this guy does, could possibly be otherwise a good candidate. This guy's statement makes it perfectly clear that he doesn't think logically. But regardless, if you look the other way on issues as significant as this, your party will no longer be your party.

At some point people need to realize that discretion is sometimes the better part of valor. I don't expect that for most Republicans, they feel comfortable voting for the Democratic candidate instead and I don't expect you to do that unless he/she better fits your positions. But what you need to do is abstain from supporting characters such as this with your vote. That is one way of purging these people from your party.

The real time to purge these idiots from your party is in the primaries, however I understand that in some localized areas, maybe half of your part actually holds these views. But at best they represent only 25% of the total electorate. So sometimes these idiots will win a primary. At that point it is your responsibility, as well as the opposition's, to keep these people from gaining office.

Personally, I don't believe that in this case anywhere near half of Indiana agrees with this guy, but unfortunately many Republicans who oppose this view will still vote for this guy. This is a good example of a system gone awry. Senator Dick Lugar was one of the best Senators in Congress for many years. He continually won in Indiana because Democrats voted for him too. Many "normal" Republicans in the State, saw him as sure thing, which allowed the radical Tea Party to hijack the primary. You "normal" Republicans screwed up, so don't screw up again by supporting this guy in the general.

You can be sure that not a single Democrat will support this guy because of this outlandish view. But don't sit there, blindly supporting such candidates in the general election, counting on the Democrats to take out your garbage. Have some accountability!

So let me get this straight. A rapist is now holy and not satan? A woman is to be forced to carry satan's baby because it is god's will? Now she has to spend nine months dealing with this thing created by satan living inside her because you have determined that as god's will even though under your logic he gave us abortion to deal with these issues.

Following your logic then we don't belong fighting in other countries because what they do is also god's will. That would make all the deaths on 9/11 god's will. We should no longer try to tell anyone else how to live because they will take the path that god has provided for them. If we are attacked by terrorists, it is god's will because he would not have allowed it if we were on the right path. I could extrapolate further.

Those who are on paths that include helping the less fortunate and judging none for their path are following in Jesus's footsteps and therefore will be accepted into god's kingdom. Those who seek personal gain or judge others get turned away at the door.

Hmmmm...sounds to me like the ones judging women and working for tax cuts for the rich are not on the religious path. Must be tough being a republican when the parts of the bible you pick and chose for your platform are inconguous with other parts of the bible.

Why not just live and let live and then if their is a god each can stand before her and show what they have done to make the world a better place.

Hi Elizabeth,

Assuming you are a Christian then you have violated a commandment in your reply to me. You bore false witness. I never said that all life must be upheld at any cost, nor that the Bible gives that instruction. All I said was the God you believe in (which I do not believe in) must find rape bad, and life good, and that it gets more complex than this. An immoral life though? I think the Bible speaks to this with Sodom and Gomorrah.

I've also never believed in the idea that the Bible, or God, would say "thou shall not kill" when it seems so much more obvious that the point isn't to murder. So war is not necessarily a violation of your God's will. So much for that strawman argument. The point in THIS particular case is that the candidate clearly said that he finds life precious and for that reason opposes abortion, even in the case of a woman being raped.

His view, oddly, might be closer to your view than not, given your claim about war. Capital punishment, for instance, would be the eradication of an immoral life. Hmmm, sounds like it might comport with Sodom and Gomorrah. A fetus must, by definition, be innocent life whether or not you take the next step and declare it a life with a right to that life, like the constitution gives you or me. So, in that context, what God that you believe in would approve of taking an innocent life? The best answer to defend your position, it seems to me, is that your God would not call this fetus a life. In this context could both positions be held by people with equally good intentions? Or, as so many posts above clearly state, is it only possible that liberals who favor abortion rights possess the kind of morality that serves us well?

Laulaus: "Maxwell, the situation he/she explains is NOT uncommon.. Sometimes women use children for entrapment purposes"

One word: condom. Problem solved. (AND it prevents sexually transmitted diseases as well as unwanted pregnancy--2 birds with 1 stone!)

Case closed.

If "God intended it" then God should rot in jail. Period.

I only have one piece of religious advice for people: Be sure you're worshiping a god that you wouldn't mind spending eternity with.

A capricious and mean-spirited god that would intend a rape as a way of producing a baby is so far beneath contempt that I wouldn't even want him for a neighbor.

Maybe the GOP and the Tea Baggers are actually worshiping the "Dark God" and furthering his Satanic ways.

Has anyone noticed how almost every Republican candidate for office has a campaign spokesperson whose only job is to explain what the GOP candidate meant when he said the stupid things he said.

The reality is, the Republicons really mean what they say, even when they say the most stupid things in the world.

Maxwell's Silver Hammer,

I mentioned condoms, but I guess you missed it..

This is now the 3rd Republican to state this belief. First is was Santorum, then Atkin, and now this man.

You can no longer claim this is just one crazy person, it is obviously a belief that is spreading through the entire party. I have voted Republican in the past, even in 2010, but this is the final straw. I will not support a party that spreads this type of mentality. A vote for Republican is a vote for these men.

Paul Ryan fully supports this man, and has pleaded with people to elect him. A vote for Romney/Ryan is a vote for this mentality.

I will be voting straight Democrat until the Republican party purges themselves of every single one of these extremists . . . every single one. Until that day, they will never again get my vote. If that means I have to pay higher taxes under a Democratic government, so be it . . . I may not like it, but it is a small price to pay to keep these EVIL men from power.

This guys is the problem with voting Republican today. Their party has allowed itself to be hijacked by these nutcases.Murdoch,Akin,Ryan are true believers in attacks on the American people. Romney whether he is a true believer or just an opportunist, isn't clear.But regardless he is a fellow traveler with them. These people are dangerous for America.

The smarter among them try to hide their ideas with quotes like "there are no CURRENT laws proposed" or "I don't know of ANY proposed laws I would sign",etc. What they are really saying is once they get into office they might propose and sign laws that would ban women's choice.And if they are able to stack the Supreme Court with more right-wing judges there's no telling the damage they would inflict on Civil Rights for Americans. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see what their agenda is.

Anytime you vote a Republican into power,even if you think they personally are a good person.They come with the baggage of the Republican Party agenda attached. To keep their job they will have to go along with the right-wing plans of the Republican leadership. Over the last years they have sold their party to the fanatics. And that alone should stop right thinking Americans from voting for them.

IndependentinSD - i am not a fan of Mitt Romney, not by a long shot...

But, by what kind of Warped Thinking do you think that its Right, or even Relevant you post the rantings of one Hateful Religious Nutjob ( Florida pastor "Bill Keller" )

whom you Quoted -

""There is no excuse, no justification for supporting and voting for a man who will be used by satan to lead the souls of millions into the eternal flames of hell !" ... "Bill Keller"

""NO Excuse"" Indeed !.. you act AS IF your own brand of LUNACY is somehow Better, And by comparing Doctrine or church History and "Breaking it Down" for the rest of us to Digest, with Quotes like the one you posted, you somehow believe this Qualifies you to TO CONDEMN another persons beliefs in such a Hateful way ?

you are one sick Individual, to act as if the any of the Crusading C**ts from one Individual faction of Hate and Fear spreading Nutjobs.. perhaps like the one YOU prescribe to, are not just same type of P.O.S. Control Freaks, as Any of the Others who have the Audacity to Make a Claim to a Singular and All Encompassing Brand of Righteousness... and Everyone Else Be DAMMED.

The "Lesser of Two Evils" By Comparison, is still just a slightly different Flavor of the Same Toxic Thinking... even from a short distance away, the details you love to debate get Blurry, and what becomes clear is that Those of your type resemble each other by their sad Actions.

and for those of us that Have Been Subjected to this Barrage of Christian Taliban, BULL**** That only serves to keep this country Backsliding into the Dark Ages, instead of Progressing Forward, i say ENOUGH !...

if you want to be pigheaded and selfish, then by all means,.. i support the right to do so... go to your house of worship and be as rotten as you like. but could you please acknowledge that the Hate you seek to spread in a public Forum, is Not Christ-like or loving and it affects the Diverse peoples of our country as a Whole... so you could AT LEAST PRETEND you Care?.. and act accordingly...

we should be allowed to live, and have some sense of peace. allowing for Diversity and Freedom, without Hate or Judgement.. and show Respect for all our fellow Americans beliefs, by not Forcing our own, on them.

Thank you.

Have A Better Day, Folks.

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Where does the tea party find these people? It's hard to believe that the people of Indiana, tossed out Richard Lugar for this guy.

I've lived in Indiana my whole life. It's not hard to believe, frankly. And there's many more where he came from.

Hi indie,

Help me understand your perspective if you don't mind. What is EVIL, as you said, about a man who thinks that an innocent unborn life should not be aborted? This isn't my view, but I see nothing evil about it. He didn't say God wanted the woman to be raped and made pregnant as so many of your political allies above have claimed. That claim IS evil, at least in my mind, because it twists one person's beliefs into something wholly different in order to punish them and claim moral superiority for one's self.

Personally I think abortion should be restricted in many ways, but that in cases of life of the mother, rape, and incest, it should not. A decision to abort a fetus can't be an easy one for people with consciences, and most people are conflicted on this issue. In my own case I think life begins at conception (I'm an atheist--this isn't religious for me) but that there is a lesser bad outcome in allowing abortion in the very rare cases of rape, incest, or life of the mother issues. Is there a lesser bad outcome in, for instance, aborting a near full term fetus just prior to birth? Or how about the question I asked earlier which no leftist will touch...Which bothers you more in the individual instance? A candidate who has repeatedly voted to deny life saving health care to babies born alive following a botched abortion, or, a candidate who thinks life begins at conception and should therefore be protected?

Which, of those two candidates, best exemplifies the morality the left in nearly 180 posts has claimed it has, and that the right has none of it?

Actually, now that I think more about it, it would probably be better if male politicians stopped trying to talk so knowledgably about women's bodies and reproductive issues, unless that man is also a gynecologist or specialist in women's medicine.

Some of the recent statements, although the speakers might have meant something different, came across as really ridiculous.

These guys keep shooting themselves in the foot, the Republican Party won't have a leg to stand on!

This idiot just lost his re-election bid, betcha.

Don't lump all Republicans in with this moron.

I understand that many Republicans, and probably most, do not support this view. However, those of you that don't, have a responsibility to purge these idiots from your party.

You make an excellent point, @1NewDay. How often will conservatives (and others) say, quite properly, that if the moderate Muslim majority doesn't want to be uniformly identified as terrorists bent on subjugating women, that they (the moderates) need to stand up and be counted even at a risk to themselves. The same is true, here. If all Republicans are not tea party talibans, then they need to stand up and say so instead of cowering in fear of Grover Norquist and Rush Limbaugh.

If you are a Republican and vote for these anti-woman, anti-child, anti-American Teabagger candidates then you are just as responsible as they are! Take some responsibility for your nutty party and vote the hateful and crazy elements out! Or, just be sane and vote Democrat.

"I don't agree with his views, but you should vote him into office so he can promote his whacked out ideas."

Wrongme and Lyin are the biggest threats to their own country. Simply amazing.

Mitt is a human etch-a-sketch. He can lie all he wants.

romney is still endorsing this slime

This is not the case, Romney has said he does not agree with his comments, besides the man speaks the truth in a convoluted way. God said in Jeremiah 1:5 Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations. But God does not have anything to do with the rape of a woman and according to Deuter. 22:25-28 He says But if in the open country a man meets a young woman who is betrothed, and the man seizes her and lies with her, then only the man who lay with her shall die. ²⁶ But you shall do nothing to the young woman; she has committed no offense punishable by death. But God is the one who allows the mans seed to impregnate a woman even in the case of a violent rape. I believe that God intends this child to be born no matter what, I also believe that if the woman does not want to keep the child she can give it up for adoption, there is no excuse for the murder of a baby wether in the womb or out. We continuely let rapist go by sentencing them to prison, I beleive thye should be executed if proven guilty without a doubt.

Take one M away from from MORMON and you get MORON...NUFF SAID!!!

the thinker-318752-try reading the news-

this is about a republican calling a rapist the bearer of a "gift"

and as for you and your comment-the AP, Washington Post, NY TIMES and even fox now are saying the video was a part of that attack

bush read my pet goat and CONTINUED it as the towers fell

Jerry, you hit the nail on the head without even intending to. If in the open country and a man meets a woman who is betrothed he shall die for lying with her. If she is not betrothed then she is the property of no man, and can therefore be taken and raped without consequence. If she is betrothed and doesn't cry out loudy enough, she shall be taken out and stoned to death. (Deut. 22: 23-24)

You also claim that there is no excuse for the murder of a baby in the womb, but biblical laws state that an infant may freely be put to death before it is 30 days old. Plus, the Midanite women who were pregnant were killed upon god's order, because they had lain with a man. So abortion, even after birth, is actually part of the hebrew god's plan according to the bible.

Jerry,

Here's your basic problem: Not everyone believes in your God!!! Why is it so hard for you folks to realize that you can believe all you want, but you cannot create laws to enforce your religious beliefs. You're forcing a woman to carry a rapist's child, victimizing her over and over again, causing her to undergo serious physical concerns for at least 9 months, (600 women die in this country each year from child-birth related problems) and, on top of that, forcing her to pay for all of this! It's unbelievable! And, how can you say God intended the life to happen if you also say he didn't intend the act by which the life happened? That's talking out of both sides of your mouth! If a woman chooses to carry the child, fine, that's her decision. but, that is the whole point, she has a choice! It sincerely confounds me how so many on the Religious Right don't get they are advocating for Sharia law-though they come off all offended by that anaology, it's the exact same thing: Trying to run the country by your religious beliefs and force others to follow them. Remember the whole "Congress shall establish no religion" part of the Constitution? Obviously not.

Jerry, you're quoting a 1700 yr old collection of fairy tales compiled by a committee as your source for "truth?"

Jerry: " But God is the one who allows the mans seed to impregnate a woman even in the case of a violent rape. I believe that God intends this child to be born no matter what, I also believe that if the woman does not want to keep the child she can give it up for adoption"

Then, Jerry--YOU GET RAPED! And YOU carry the child in YOUR belly for 9 mos before giving it up for adoption.

Until you DO THAT--you have NO credibility and NO say in the matter! You sound worse than the taliban! Wake up women! A vote for the Republicans is a vote for Jerry's crowd.

Jerry;

What about this part of the verse you quote? Do you agree - Death to all males that rape betrothed women?

then only the man who lay with her shall die.

Ron-1861300

His is endorsing this jacka$$ and spending BIG bicks to get him elected. Willard has a very large Mourdock stain and only pulling the ad and dropping the endorsement is doing to erase it!!

This is why women have to be allowed to control their own bodies-even if Christians dont always agree with their decisions. Who out there is so omnipotent that they can control the lives and bodies of the women in our world? The obvious sane answer is............

Mitt Romney says he doesn't agree with the statements, but has he stopped the advertising to get Mourdock elected ?

Mitt Romney, Paul Ryan, Akin, Mourdock are all alike. They truly hate women.

How is it that people with weak arguments tend to bolster them with "The will of God?" And second, the idea that life begins at conception makes little sense. The way I see it, life began in mystery on this planet several billion years ago. It may have happened just once or many times but life is a vague term for what takes place and allows us to have these conversations. It is more proper to say that conception is the start of a "new life cycle", not a "new life" or a new "person," and even that perspective is iffy.

It takes several days for a newly conceived "person" to plant itself in the uterus and pregnancy to start, but the "person-hood" movement would make IUD's and hormonal birth control medication agents in negligent homicide charges that could be drawn up if a woman is sexually active and is using these methods of birth control. All because these people have a huge stake in needing to believe that they know "Gods will."

Jerry-1927474

Thank you for your post. It's one thing for some of us to point out that there are Taliban-like groups of people who's beliefs, if allowed to fester in the halls of government, would destroy this Nation. Your post is a lesson and a warning to us all.

Jerry:

Stop eating shellfish. The Bible condemns it. But you pick and choose CHRISTIANS say "OH YEAH, well that's in the OLD TESTAMENT, we don't follow that anymore". SO WHICH IS IT? DO YOU EAT SHELLFISH AND DENY THE OLD TESTAMENT or use it to bolster your MINDLESS IGNORANCE and INTOLERANCE? WHICH IS IT?

Jeepers. GO TO PALESTINE! Get OUT OF MY COUNTRY. FREEDOM FROM RELIGION is the ONLY ANSWER. All religions are CULTS full of nut cases that are TOO STUPID or TOO WEAK to make their OWN DECISIONS. Get a LIFE and LOSE the MAGIC GUY IN THE SKY!

If rape is the "Will of God"
Then so are abortions.

who are we to interfere in either?

Jed7

No one here, well no one with common sense, has said we think a victim of rape should be made to carry any resulting baby. That is up to her. We would want a society where she at least considered the third person involved in the situation simply because that is what a real person would do.

We are not against abortion totally. We are and will remain dead set against abortion on demand. Can you tell me you agree with the aborting of a viable baby ready to be born in a couple of weeks through late term abortion. The womans life is no more endanger from letting that baby be born than she is from that kind of abortion. Do you agree with the killing of an aborted baby who survives the abortion and is alive? Your no responsilibity, limitless abortion leads to horrible things being allowed. All we want is for people to use their heads and not set us on the course for an anything goes hedonistic society.

For pete's sake, the political leaders of our country should be the leaders of all Americans, not just the ones that have religious beliefs that they themselves do.

Our nation is a country of freedom. That means freedom to worship as one pleases or not to worship at all if one chooses.

I choose to worship God and believe in the teachings of Jesus Christ who is Divine. I personally am anti-abortion (with exceptions), I also support capital punishment for heinous crimes. But I will not try to force my beliefs on anyone else, and even though I am interested in people sharing their beliefs with me in conversation, I do not want to be forced to follow their religion.

I do not believe that Jesus is the brother of Satan, or that Joseph Smith was given some golden plates by an angel named Moroni after he failed to find Captain Kidd's buried treasure. But if Mitt Romney chooses to believe that, it is a free country, and he is entitled to his opinions.

I doubt that Romney will be elected, but if he is, I hope there will not be a greater surge of Mormons descending upon our doorsteps. I admire their devotion to their beliefs, and their dedication to the others in their Clan, but I hope they do not force their religion on the rest of us.

Don't you love the "pro lifers" who are PRO life--until you're born--then war and capital punishment are all the rage.

This is not the case, Romney has said he does not agree with his comments, besides the man speaks the truth in a convoluted way.

Romney claims that he doesn't agree with the comments, but Mourdock's comments didn't come out of left field. Romney knew Mourdock was an extreme right-winger when he endorsed him. He just didn't know that Mourdock would let the rest of us in on the secret.

Maxwell's Silver Hammer

Don't you love the "pro lifers" who are PRO life--until you're born--then war and capital punishment are all the rage.

Yep, love the fetus...hate the child.

Hey Maxwell, They don't even wait for wars or capital punishment. They want to cut programs so that these lives they have saved starve to death or die living in the streets. Their platform has more flip-flops than Imelda Marcos's summer closet. Like rape, outlawing abortion is a control issue. If it was about protecting a "life" they would be in the lead on entitlements for children and they are the ones cutting them. It is about controlling people who do not believe what they believe for their own purposes.

The Puritans settled in Massachusettes and established their religious colony. Let's make Mitt the President of the Puritan state and send all his tea party buddies there and the rest of us can live in a country that continues to separate church and government.

Well, Maxwell, I cannot speak for everyone, but personally I am anti-abortion (with exceptions), so yeah, I would say that is pro-life. (Protect the innocent)

And I am pro capital punishment for heinous crimes such a cold-blooded murder, etc. (Punish the murderers of innocent people)

I am also a Christian who voted for Bush twice, voted for Obama after that, and consider myself Moderate, leaning right. I have been called a teabagger and a bleeding liberal on the same day in this forum.

I know I do not fit a stereotypical box that people like to label. Doesn't bother me. Actually it makes me feel good. Means I'm a free thinker and don't follow the crowd just because I fear to stand alone, or am afraid to think for myself.

But, I also believe in separation of church and state and do not push my views off on anyone, except on the Vine, of course!

grazed (2.7) -

and as for you and your comment-the AP, Washington Post, NY TIMES and even fox now are saying the video was a part of that attack

You should read or listen to the whole story. Fox may have stated that the video was part of that attack according to the White House and administration but they keep calling out obama and the WH for their comments because there is irrefutable evidence that there was no video associated with the attack and that it was planned out and not impromptu.

Picking and choosing what you want to believe can lead you to some very poor results.

We know Romney. He switches positions every day. He is shaking the Etch-A-Sketch right now. Even YOU don't have any idea where he will stand tomorrow. The past is no indication.

"I will preserve and protect a woman's right to choose, and I am devoted and dedicated to honoring my word in that regard."
– Televised debate while running for Massachusetts Governor in 2002.

Dandit61 - 'Romney said. "I'm in favor of abortion being legal in the case of rape and incest, and the health and life of the mother."'
How incredibly generous of Romney. How about not telling me what I can and cannot do with my own body? How about that? As a female I find it incredibly offensive and extremely terrifying to have someone else ruling over my body and imposing his or her personal views on me. I wonder how men would feel about it. But I think I already know the answer.

Dandit61 - Romney had also said he would be happy to sign a bill banning all abortions. You really should read the Republican Party Platform. That is where they are headed.

Ryan in 100% against abortion in ANY case, but like Mitt, he'll lie and change positions to garner every last vote he can. Not all Republicans have such strong feelings, but those in control and with the most influence do.

When you vote for a "Moderate Mitt" you're actually voting for a puppet of the extreme right.

Mitt will do ANYTHING to get elected...if he does Moderate Mitt is gone and "Right Wingnut Mitt" takes over. I can't believe 47% of the population believes these liars and fools so blindly. When they're willing to call out Obama for every mistake he makes, but will blatantly look over the DOZENS of proven lies by Mitt and the cases of social INSANITY by his party...it just blows my mind.

if romney is against these comments why hasnt he denounced his endorsement? he didnt

romney ENDORSES this

Fact is Romney/Ryan support this guy's bid to get into the House of Representatives. If Romney/Ryan can't figure a way out of that self made trap, are you still going to vote for them?

Romney, 'Vote for me, as a 'Can Do Businessman,' I'll take the rest of your money!'

Dandit, Romney has taken every position on every issue. No wonder you find something to like.

Quit repeating what you read and hear on CNN and start to educate yourself on Obama and Romney.

See the thing is Dandit, we HAVE educated ourselves on what Romney/Ryan stand for and that's why they're so scary.

For one, Mitt will tell you anything he thinks you want to hear, even if he said the exact opposite 24 hours prior. And Ryan is against ALL abortion, period. These two nutjobs are downright scary, and if America is dumb enough to vote the Republicans back into office we deserve all the hardship it'll bring about...

Bob...you are so correct...Moderate Mitt is just a front and this country is going to be in big trouble if Romney becomes president...Grover Norquist has already said they will make the laws and rules; they just need someone in office to sign them...Whose that going to be?...Lying Mitt...These low infomation voters in this country need to wake up out of their stupor and just do a little research on the republican party agenda instead of allowing Fox news to dictate everything to them...

When are people going to realize the the claim that Romney is a "successful" businessman really means that he knows how to sell you that he is like a successful used car dealer that will tell you anything to get you to buy a piece of crap that has been through a hurricane flood??

Romney will and does tell people whatever they want to hear and changes the story hourly or more often if necessary when he travels from crowd to crowd on his campaign visits.

Buy that car together with the "insurance plan" from his coworker lying Ryan and you will get what you deserve.......unfortunately the rest of us will be out in the streets as you drive that clunker around our towns, cities and states.

joe mota

Dandit, Romney has taken every position on every issue. No wonder you find something to like.

Just like Obama does, and just like almost every other major politician out there does (except Ron Paul).

If MEN could get pregnant there would be Drive Thru abortions at McDonalds and BRING a friend with you BOGO Free specials at WAL-MART!!!

If and when a time comes that MEN CAN CONCEIVE, then and ONLY then should they voice their anti-abortion opinions...Until then.....SHUT THE HELL UP ABOUT CONTROLLING WOMEN'S BODIES...THOSE DAYS ARE OVER!!!

LET me repeat...

THOSE DAYS ARE OVER!!! (unless Romney/Ryan get in the White House)

Ron,

Romney did say on Mike Huckabee that he would "absolutely" sign a personhood amendment (making all abortions illegal) if he was President. He also called the Dr. who Todd Akin got the legitimate rape idea from a "strong advocate for the right to life movement." Ryan has tried to get a personhood amendment passed in the House, as well as his famous refinition of rape, and statement on the floor of the House that the health of the mother rape exception is "so big you could drive a truck through it." He wants the gov't to determine how close to death a woman must be for her doctor to perform an abortion to save her life! Unbelievable! The issue with Romney flip floppiing is real. I have no problem if a politician sincerely changes their mind on an issue after reflection on it, etc. However, that's not what Romney does. He changes what he says depending on the audience. This is how is was in MA, as well. This is who he is.. a used car salesman, as others have said. You can say all politicians go the center, etc, but that doesn't explain Romney. He tells different things to different groups, does it over and over, and then denies he ever held the other positions! Even his Primary opponents called him out on it.

Dandit...he supports him fully! Is spending millions of dollars on ads SUPPORTING him and has NOT pulled the ads as of now! The party platform is heading exactly where idiots like this guy are forcing it. Willard IS forever tied to these extreme views and there is NO WAY OUT unless he publically repudiates the GOTP, their attack on democracy, women and personal freedom.

"I will preserve and protect a woman's right to choose, and I am devoted and dedicated to honoring my word in that regard."
– Televised debate while running for Massachusetts Governor in 2002.

In 2004, Romney announced he had changed positions on the issue.
This is TWO YEARS later, and he forgot all about his devotion, dedication, and any 'honor' he ever had.

The reputation of being a flip flopper is definitely well deserved. You can't believe a single thing he says. Two years from now, or two days from now, he could have a completely different stance.

What I find interesting is this:

"I'm in favor of abortion being legal in the case of rape and incest, and the health and life of the mother."

So what is he saying? Iif the woman is not "at fault" for the pregnancy (rape & incest) or is in jeopardy, they are o.k. with abortion, but if the woman is "at fault" for the pregnancy, she is to be punished by a 9 month sentence?

That is NOT what he said. Or wait, yes it is, or was, or will be. What do you think? Mitt thinks that too. Or did, Or will.

LEARN FROM WISCONSIN AND WALKER! Walker NEVER said he would be a TOTAL UNION BUSTER and make UNIONS ILLEGAL, BUT HE DID. Don't vote against Romney because of what he SAID, Vote AGAINST HIM BECAUSE OF WHAT HE MIGHT DO.

Whatever THAT is. We have NO CLUE. He has said he WILL or WILL NOT do just about EVERYTHING!

You know, like engage Iran in a dialog, bomb them, sanction them, whatever he thinks people want to hear today, or what Obama thinks, you know, ...

WHATEVER!

@Ron1861300

"Just like Obama does, and just like almost every other major politician out there does (except Ron Paul)."

Are you Ron Paul????

God must really not have much to do if he is there at every rape and deciding that little Leon is exactly part of his overall plan and that the daughter just might as well enjoy that rape part that he is condoning to get the little Leon on the earth.

WHO thinks like this?? Does GOD have nothing else to do but be at rapes approving the outcomes while letting politicians like this live and reproduce?

Hmmm...so "God" can intend the pregnancy to happen but can't prevent the rape??? His powers are biased? Oh, wait a minute...I think I get it now! The tale is that the "Devil" made the rape happen, but "God" "allowed" the pregnancy. Whew...I had forgotten how that story goes.

111pct.... actually you have it part right... The man who will rape her and become a daddy will also have parental rights for visitation and custody.That's what they do in Michigan

You're missing the important part. It was the daughter's fault for having such skanky little eggs. If the woman gets pregnant, it's her fault for not shutting the sperm down. Little Leon is just the joyous result of a devout man doing God's work.

I'm still not certain about the part where the country's Christians--50 percent of the population--get to decide what's right for the other half.

I wonder what the Pro-Life Teabaggers think about Romney's lawyer putting into a surrogate mother contract for one of his son's,that if they decided against taking the baby the woman should have an abortion. Kind of makes you think about what his TRUE beliefs on abortion are. Its OK to force controls on women. But not if it concerns his family.

mfhpr--Remember the story of a virgin who got pregnant? Could be interpreted as a rape he attended. Claimed the son as his own. All good stories are up for interpretation. If we now see rape as god's will, maybe it is because his own child was conceived of rape?

This whole thing is absolutely disgusting! I about vomited reading this... Just knowing there are people out there, especially as politicians, that could possibly think that way makes me sick! They are so hypocritical too. I damn well know they would never be able to look into a rape victim's eyes while she's scared to death and depressed as hell that if she got pregnant she would not be allowed an abortion "because God intended it". Which we all damn well know he does NOT attend that. I bet God himself will slap him silly for making Him look bad...this guy is so confused about what's the devils work and what's God's work.

Actually, it is.

Yes it really and truly is flat in Hoosier Wonderland.

Not only is the earth flat in Indiana, but the EEG's are too. OK, a little help for the Republicans out there, EEG is a measure of brain activity.

Dandit61

"We do not all hold the same values as this man, Romney and Ryan have both come out against this type of thought."

Oh, Really, then can you please explain why your candidate Mittens, has come out with an endorsement of this pond scum? What........... he was misquoted.............oh, he misspoke........that's usually what they say right after they have been caught in a lie? What an amazing coincidence!

Face it, THIS IS WHAT THE REPUBLICAN PARTY REPRESENTS! If you don't agree, then vote Democratic and get rid of these type of people who have infected your party like an oozing, swollen puss-filled open sore!

FlaNativer55,

The endorsement came out before this idiot made those comments. Read the news - within hours Romney came out against these comments.

Ron-1861300.

When a presidental candidate and his running mate open their mouth to NATIONALLY endorse this man they knew, in depth, what kind of a man and his beliefs are.

Ron

They didn't take back the endorsement of him as a candidate, did they? Of course they had to say they don't agree with his statement (in public that is) as they're currently trying to convince women they're all moderate now-women, don't be fooled!

So funny, and yet so true. I love this comment!

Apologist Ron - this shows one of two things:

1. Either Romney knew about these extremist views and endorsed him anyway
2. He did not do due diligence and examine this person before endorsing him

Either way, it is a sad indictment of the character of Mitt Romney - shoot first; aim later.

Ron,

Are you suggesting they endorsed this candidate without any knowledge of his positions? Because that's just pathetic.

"I don't know what he stands for, but Mourdock's your man, Indiana!"

- Romney/Ryan 2012.

It does NOT appear that Romney has removed his endorsement. He says now (wait a minute - it may change!) that he does not agree with the statement but STILL ENDORSES HIM.

Romney is EVIL in a way we haven't seen since NIXON. But then again so is the entire GOP. A batch of UN-AMERICAN TRAITORS that want to ELIMINATE UNIVERSAL SUFFRAGE! Now it is the poor and elderly. Pretty soon the women and people that don't own property, then who knows!

YOU WILL BE THE NEXT ONE TO LOSE THE VOTE! WHOEVER YOU ARE. That is the GOP WAY! Destroy America and EVERYTHING WE HOLD DEAR!

A vote for the GOP is a vote AGAINST DEMOCRACY!

SRS,

Don't be so hard on Nixon.

LOL. Poor Nixon. He shouldn't be compared with Romney.

That is what is taught, however, He also gave us free choice, which is where you get to decide for yourself what is right for you.

Why does his god have to be my god? I thought we had the freedom to choose which religion we practiced (or not). I am not subject to anyone else's belief system; therefore, his argument holds no regulation over my religion/religious decisions.

If the argument is that his religion is important to him, why is it better than mine? I think mine is much more encompassing, relevant, and useful; and I get everything out of it that I require. Why should I "downgrade"?

Once again, in the USA, we have rules regarding separation of church and state. I wish our politicians would learn that little mantra.

Rape is a horrible crime. Anyone who denies that is an ass and should be rejected and shunned by all. (Honestly, where do nincompoops like Mourdock and Akin come from? Who on earth would even claim to support them? Their stupidity and callousness is beyond the pale.)

I certainly dont worship a God that would support rape. You?

i've always been taught that god allready know what will happen to us.

I don't believe in your god. What say you now? Does the 1st amendment still apply to heathen's like myself?

Tex2c - you just nailed it on the head.

Brenda - if you get raped today, I can suggest a name for the baby - call him Richard, in honor of this visionary. People might call him Dick, though.

Have you ever actually read the thing instead of taking someone else's word for what it contains?

Perhaps you should go back and read Dueteronomy or Numbers (specifically Numbers 31) in which the hebrew god demands the slaughter of innocents, including children and babies. Only virgin girls who are pleasing are to be spared and saved as concubines, the rest sold into prostitution and slavery.

It's not surprising that you likely didn't know this, you will never hear it preached in a church who's agents sole motive is to collect resources from the ignorant sheep that attend.

Now, THAT is a Republican kinda God! Rape 'em, kill 'em, get the gold out of their pockets, and kick 'em down the road. Romney should be SO proud of his supporters and comrades-in-arms now.

I am of the mind that a person cannot change the mind of a sinner, God is the only one who can do that. The Bible was given to us as an example as to what we need to do or not do in order to gain eternal life in Heaven. No one can question God in the past, present, or the future. He is after all God. He said your very conscience will convict you of what is right and what is wrong. I also beleive the babies that are murdered in the womb are in a better place and the women who let this be done will answer to God. I will not condemn them, I also believe that in most cases the women will regret that decision for the rest of her life.

No one can question God in the past, present, or the future. He is after all God.

You have my deepest pity if you actually believe this crap. Pathetic.

You people in Indiana might want to look into those unsolved rape cases. A little DNA from this jerk and his fellow followers from church, might solve a few.

Lady Jag, here is what the your bible says about abortion. I'm an ordained (recovering) minister but please don't take my word for it, look it up and see for yourself (we were instructed to conceal these passages because they negatively impacted the bottom line, or caused the flock to become "unfaithful" and question the Word).

The fetus is NOT a human life, neither is a baby until it is a month old (Exodus 21:22-23, Leviticus 27:6)

God supports the killing of fetuses (Numbers 3:15-16, Numbers 31:15-17, Hosea 9:14, Hosea 9:16, Hosea 13:16)

God kills babies to punish parents (2 Samuel 12:14)

Causes abortions because of infidelity (Numbers 5:21, 27-28) and supports burning pregnant women to death (Genesis38:24).

Honestly girl, where do you get your ideas? They're certainly NOT based in biblical writings, tradition or law.

ROFL! Mjolnir, to which denomination were you ordained? Your concept of God is whack. I see why they kicked you out.

Mjolnir: your statement of "The fetus is NOT a human life, neither is a baby until it is a month old (Exodus 21:22-23, Leviticus 27:6)"

Looks impressive for those who wont look it up, but the passage says NOTHING about a 1 month time limit. Nice story tho.

Here's the text:

²² “If people are fighting and hit a pregnant woman and she gives birth prematurely but there is no serious injury, the offender must be fined whatever the woman’s husband demands and the court allows. ²³ But if there is serious injury, you are to take life for life...

mjolnir - we have to be clear on which God you are talking about. Is this Willard's god? Cuz if so, they have their own bible, and their god was born a man on the Planet Kolob.

Evidently, a LOT of these American Taliban were born on another planet.

Ah, the right wing - if you don't have all the facts, just make 'em up. villian, I took a brief look through Mjolnir's posts and didn't see anywhere anything was stated that referred to getting "kicked out," but don't let that dissuade you from posting whatever you feel is correct...Lord knows Fox News does it all the time and they make good money doing so. By the way, have you bothered reading any of the passages that were posted? No? Perhaps you should before pointing fingers - or did God tell you it was OK to bear false witness?

As to the one passage you chose to select from, perhaps you should look at both of the references before embarrassing yourself:

Leviticus 27:6

King James Version (KJV)

⁶ And if it be from a month old even unto five years old, then thy estimation shall be of the male five shekels of silver, and for the female thy estimation shall be three shekels of silver.

You have my deepest pity if you actually believe this crap. Pathetic.

Save your pity for the day of judgement, EngEsq. You are going to need it for yourself. For someone who claims to have a Phd, you are woefully ignorant.

"The fool has said in his heart there is no God"

Villian: "Here's the text:

²² “If people are fighting and hit a pregnant woman and she gives birth prematurely but there is no serious injury, the offender must be fined whatever the woman’s husband demands and the court allows. ²³ But if there is serious injury, you are to take life for life...

HELLO?? Do you believe this Christian Taliban Sharia law crap? "but there is no serious injury, the offender must be fined whatever the woman’s husband demands and the court allows" And you know everyone on that court was male.

NOTHING about what the woman wants, feels or demands! NOTHING about the woman being a human being--a person in her own right.

THIS IS WHAT THEY ARE QUOTING???? god(dess)--or ourselves--help us all!

Dandit, Catholics seem to place compassion and love above slavish devotion to dogma. Unlike Taliban types like Mourdock.

At this point on the political landscape, a vote for ANY Republican is a vote for this guy. Until your party stands up to, slaps down, and discards idiots like Mourdock, THESE are the people you support.

Sorry, cold hard truth....

Dandit61

THIS IS YOUR PARTY MAN! STAND UP AND SUPPORT THEM LIKE A TRUE REPUBLICAN SHOULD.

Murdock and Akin are 2 of THE REPUBLICAN party's golden haired boys and should be held up to public scrutiny as representative of the REPUBLICAN party as a whole.

What's the matter, are even the REPUBLICANS starting to see through the fog of BS that Mittens and Lyin Ryan are spewing? How do your boys, Rush Limpdick and Scam Hannity feel about this? I wonder how FUX Entertainment channel has spun it? I'm guessing they are blaming Obama? HaHaHaHaHa.

By the way, what is the Catholic priests stance on this comment? It's a crime to rape little girls, but I guess young boys are still OK to your priests?

I also know, personally of at least 3 people who had abortions and they are all practicing Catholics.

Dandit61

It comes all the time with the Republican state legislatures trying to suppress women's rights with laws that require her to have medically unnecessary procedures in order to have an abortion, and when Ryan leads the House in redefining rape, trying to narrow the health of the mother exception to a gov't standard, trying to pass personhood amendments (state and federal), etc. It's happening slowly but surely all around the country, if people pay attention. Not to mention Romney saying he would sign a personhood law and the Repub naitonal platform supporting it too.

This is not an election thing. These people are active all year every year.

Do you not remember the doctor who was assassinated in church?

Do you not remember the defunding of Planned Parenthood?

Do you not remember the bombings of abortion clinics?

Badass Wichita Abortion Doctor Responds to Death Threats with Lightning Bolt Car

The true face of the Republican party is revealed--the Christian Taliban--sharia law. No wonder they get out of shape over Muslims--reminds them too much of themselves.

Sorry--but time we all woke up!

Wrongme must be facepalming this morning. The last thing he wanted was for people to be reminded that his own running mate opposes abortions under any circumstances.

So, now, we have two Senators running for office that think you should carry that baby and look into the face of her rapist her entire life. (Because adoption is probably forbidden in their Koran.)

They are supported by Paul Ryan, who, God forbid, gets into office, and again, God forbid, Romney dies or is jailed for tax evasion, God willing, would be in a position to change women's lives forever.

MORMON -1 M = MORON...THINK ABOUT IT!!!

MORMON -1 M = MORON...THINK ABOUT IT!!!

Charlie,

When you call someone stupid, at least check your spelling and grammar. It hinders your point otherwise.

Villian: "When you call someone stupid, at least check your spelling and grammar. It hinders your point otherwise."

That's all you got? The spelling and grammar police? I got Charlie's point NO PROBLEM! I see nothing majorly wrong with it--and Charlie's RIGHT. The party of STUPID!

Not only is it "unbelievable that in the 21st century, a major political party in the most advanced nation in the world fields such a moron as their candidate--it is a total DISGRACE to this great nation!

villian, I'm sorry, but I failed to detect any real issues with spelling or grammar. Can you identify them for all of us? Are you talking about the "if" vs. "it" typo? Pretty petty, don't you think? If I were you, I would be VERY careful how and what was posted from this point forward.

Villian157:

When you call someone else stupid for a typo you call a gramatic mistake, CHECK YOUR GRAMMAR!

It should be: It otherwise hinders your point.

You Moron!

SRS- Your first sentence is grammatically incorrect as is your last one.

Left Wing Nut Job: First word is a typo. No comma required after century.

OMG- I pointed out a moron's mistake who was bullying another. Want to kill me now, liberal? Do you feel the hate swelling inside you?

So I guess every single democrat in the US is a perfect piece of polished s**t. If you are so closed minded to not respect that people can have different opinions then go eff yourself. It's rude and childish to say whoever doesn't agree with you is just Stupid... it's recess time, go to the playground while the adults do their work.

Oh and btw I'm a moderate repub woman from southern indiana and I will not be voting for either repub/or dem candidate. Its all B/S I'll vote for the libertarian. But nothing pisses me off more than both right and left wing wackos that think if you don't agree with me then you're stupid, evil, racist... etc...

xraytech: Thank you for your hypocritical judgement of my differing opinion. What a prime example of the consequence of no longer teaching basic logic in public school.

Listen I'm saying both sides do nothing but name calling. I'm moderate and I never say all democrats are stupid...

Yeah I'm real dumb with my 2 bachelors and working on my master's while I work full time, but since I don't agree with Obama I'm ignorant.

Villian--the only bully I saw here was YOU! But it is amusing how you can dish it out--but you sure can't take it! Keep it up!

We need the Monitor for this seed to read the several personal attacks from Villian. He has repeatedly violated the CoH rule and needs to go.

Villian: "OMG- I pointed out a moron's mistake who was bullying another. Want to kill me now, liberal? Do you feel the hate swelling inside you?"

Villian, with respect--and I'm sorry to belabor the point--but you were NOT pointing out a "moron's mistake (in this case Charlie) who was bullying another" because Charlie was the FIRST poster on this thread (#10)--so it was physically and logically impossible for Charlie to be bullying ANYONE.

YOU bullied Charlie. I'm sorry, Villian, but we may as well get this right, ok? BTW, how's YOUR inside swelling? Ice helps. ;^)

Villain157 has just quoted Darth Vader. Does he want us to turn over to the dark side? If the dark side is pretending that rape is a blessed event sent to us by God then I think I will stick to the light. If the dark side is pretending there is no hypocrisy to cover Viagra with insurance but those sluts who want birth control are way out of line the I think I'll stick to the light. I will never turn over to the dark side.

Thank you Ron. Siblings of the Light UNITE!

Vote for the person, not the party, that is what is wrong with this country. to many people walk into the booth and check the R or the D. they do not educate themselves, they spend to much time listening to the networks, all networks instead of doing their own research and voting with an educated mind, not a brainwashed mind

"Vote for the person, not the party, that is what is wrong with this country"

I would agree with that but the Republican Party is being taken over by these kind of clowns and it's happening more all the time. The only real solution for the long term survival of the Republican Party is for the few remaining Republicans who actually have a functioning brain to take part in the primary process and try to get candidates who have at least a 19th century view of the universe nominated as their candidates.

Dandit61-Keep tryin that spin thing buddy, but I gotta tell ya, you're starting to look desperate, as THE ENTIRE REPUBLICAN PARTY has been t(Akin) over by this band of RWnutjobs and TeaBaggers.

Have you noticed that no one in your party has done anything to rid themselves of these disgusting parasites, except to say they don't represent the entire party, yet they are still infested with them? That tells everyone else that it is OK with "your" party, but we will pay a little lip service to the masses of brain dead supporters so they don't realize how easily we are screwing them.

I'm sorry to hear you are part of this disgusting party, but if you really don't support these kind of statements, you might want to consider the Democrats.

Dandit: "Vote for the person, not the party"

But when that person signs agreements (like the one to Grover Norquist)--that person BECOMES that party. That person no longer represents his/her constituents. They know they will not be reelected if they do not do what their (tea) party demands.

FlaNative: "Have you noticed that no one in your party has done anything to rid themselves of these disgusting parasites, except to say they don't represent the entire party, yet they are still infested with them?"

SPOT ON!!! What kind of party are the Republicans that allow these dispicable "people" to run under the Republican banner--and then say--weeell, we don't agree with them, etc.

If you don't agree with them--then why are you allowing them to run under your party's banner? B.S.!!!

FlaNative55

Have you noticed that no one in your party has done anything to rid themselves of these disgusting parasites, except to say they don't represent the entire party

That is exactly the problem...you nailed it! Have you also noticed that soon after GW Bush left office conservatives all claimed "he wasn't really a conservative" or "Neo-Conservatives really don't represent the Party". So who do you suppose Romney hired as his foreign policy advisers? You guessed it, neo-conservatives who were former Bush advisers...but remember, they don't represent the party!

But who is going to stand up for the baby's rights, forrezstt? Good thing your mother was Pro Life.

Villian: "But who is going to stand up for the baby's rights, forrezstt?"

How about YOU? How many babies have you adopted? How many condoms and pregnancy advice have you given men? If men kept it zipped--there would be no unwanted pregnancies, would there?

Villian: " Good thing your mother was Pro Life."

Speaking purely for myself--if I was not wanted, I'd prefer to be aborted. Life can be difficult enough when born to someone who wants that birth--but there's NO WAY I'd want to be born to a woman who did NOT want me. Don't you read the news? Have you seen the child abuse?

If I'm not wanted--I would PREFER to be aborted. But that's just me. Perhaps you're a masochist?

villian

You have the right to your beliefs but you do not have the right to force your beliefs on the rest of us. Why is it that the right continually laments that their rights are being taken away but the first chance that they think they can get away with it, they start wanting to take women's rights and voter's rights away? Your side is not honest or Christian, in my view. Your side has shown themselves to be hypocrites and could care less about the human condition as you know Jesus was all about. The Tea Party and right wing's credibility is nil.