Thank you guys for not being as nasty as you could have been.

How refreshing to see them with such kind smiles to one another.

KC NC, Glad I'm not the only one who thought Romney had an edge of nastiness to his jokes and seemed a bit artificial. Thought at first, I was just seeing something that wasn't there. Either way, nice they can take a night off and just relax and enjoy themselves.

Hey these guys gave negative campaigning and seriousness a brief reprieve. We should all be capable of doing the same. It's healthy to relax and laugh sometimes, and I suggest we all give it a try for JUST 1 ARTICLE.

Sorry, I cant vote for any of these guys who pledge allegiance to Grover Norquist first and the USA second.

I seriously can't wait for this damned election to be over so 70% of the people who suddenly care about politics can go back to worrying about something else for the next 3 - 3.5 years.

My impression is that Romney thought he was their to do a Roast of Obama. If you look at older clips, the tradition of this dinner is for politicians to poke fun at themselves, mostly, not to hurl stones at their opponent.

I thought Obama did a better job at that, and was funnier. Mitt looked like he was still a little angry from the drubbing he got at the last debate - IMO, there was just a kind of petty & nasty edge to his remarks that seemed to me to be more mean than funny.

I like a guy who can poke fun at himself, and Obama was very comfortable doing that.

Obama seemed like he was enjoying a break from campaigning; Mitt was still on the stump.

my .02

No, SteelMan, he didn't lie (that's a lie!)

You see, after intelligence (look it up!) is collected, educated people think! and then, sometimes they have a different perspective and even - brace yourself - change their minds!

so, what our president did was tell the truth, which has been fact-checked multiple times - and then, later, he told MORE truth.

And finally, Ambassador Stevens' family has asked politicians to stop using this tragedy to score cheap political shots . . . In the words of your favorite - but infamous - Queen Annie, just "Stop It!"

:-)

Its all fun and games to ignore the crossroads we are at and to pretend that our problems don't exist. Let's hope tomorrow people will get serious again. We need an equable plan to divide the the United States into two separate countries. Only fools would think at this point that there is ever a chance of going back to unity in our country. Lets face it, this isn't politics any longer, we are country that has got to a point where neighbor truly genuinely hates neighbor.

We need someone in office who will take a serious look at the logistics of how this can be worked out. This probably should have been done before the civil war. We need to grow up and stop pretending the need to geographically and governmentally split this country doesn't exist.

@AFEWGOODMEN

so basically... smart people are dumb? that makes sense... <sarc>

These dinners are a nice break in the bull@!$%# and are hilarious.

If you've never seen one I highly recommend you do. Not in person of course, you're not invited, but they are funny as hell.

Robme.......hope counting his ill-gotten gains, building elevators in his multi story garages, making "casual" $10,000 bets and lying every time he opens his pie hole, will be enough to keep him occupied after he gets his a$$ handed to him on a sterling silver platter (he's used to those) on election day! Maybe he can go to planet Kolob (the nonexistent planet he and his fellow Mormons believe in) and pick up some sacred underwear while he's there.

Vote straight Democratic ticket and let's watch as the Koch, Adelson, Norquist triumvirate from hell collective heads implode from the loss of their cash puppet on a string.

O and JOE.....4 more for 44!!!!!

Repub4obama,your posts are a bit harsh,but you have truth on your side,so don't back away from the TEA wrath.....that old saying THE TRUTH HURTS,applies here........

They were both funny but I have to give the edge to Romney.

Barracks joke about Biden at his Cabinet meeting was great.

Good fun, great cause.

Oh yeah,Rational-guy you nailed Afew live-braincells,on his,as you say inane DRIVEL........Keep Up The Good Work..

I'll never understand Politics!

Most of the time the 2 Presidential Candidates are near fisticuffs during debates, on the Campaign Trail degrading each other, then a Fundraiser brings them together as if they have been friends forever!

They both have a way about them that is engaging. Sure the Nominees had their speeches written for them, but thought it was an excellent, fun exchange of digs at each other and about themselves..

It is good to have 1 hour of light hearted laughter from them---because of this Event.

It is a relief of tension building for the last year, making all stressed out. It has been the nastier Campaign in our lifetime.

Refreshing to see that politics do not require opposites to hate one another. I hope this lightens the mood and senseless hate and bashing that we've all seen too much of on both sides.

I've never supported Obama, but he is my president and I respect him and disagree without wishing any ill on him. It's not hard to do and feels a lot better than wishing to hurt someone with whom you disagree. Why wouldn't this be a better approach?

You don't have to explain yourself to me. I beleive you and you are doing the right thing. My conscience would never let me be if I voted for someone who has outsourced Amercia and gotten rich off the backs of the working poor and middle class. It is becasue of people like Mitt romney and Paul Ryan that this country is in the shape it is in. They don't care how much people suffer and that is easy to see from the rhetoric they spew out of their mouth. Do not expect anything good or kind to come from these Republicans mouth because they know nothing but hate for anyone who is not like them. They are all blind to any facts or the truth. They only see one view and that is the view of the Republican party even if it is not right for the country. At least you could see and that was a good thing.

Despite being a long time Republican, I also will be voting a straight Demo ticket in 2012. If, by some horror, Mitt gets elected, may he have a Demo Congress to stifle him all the way - then Mitt will see what obstructionism is all about.

@Q22,

The Mormons have some pretty bigoted views about certain people, namely black people. Mittwit Robme probably only knows black people as the people who performed "domestic duties" in his father's house (and possibly his own). Mittwit can take a flying leap!

Larry Staugh Jr - Except for one thing Willard owns 51% of Bain Capital Common Stock which gives him control and by owning 51% he can change anything they do

Even in Freeport, Illinois - plus he is guaranteed an annual income of between $20 or $30 Million a year

So Point and Match

Defending Willard is like trying to defend a rabid dog looking for a prey!

Jim S - The Forty Million Estate in Hawaii has been debunked so many times - it is a right wing fantasy

The Obama's rented a house that was on the market for $10 Million - it has since been bought for $6.8 Million by another party

Now granted George Bush Jr paid considerably less for his home - however the details are quircky and yes it has restrictive covenants - like all white

I read comments of people saying they are going to vote a straight Democratic or straight Republican ticket.

If you do either one thing your not is a good American. A true believer in the elctorial process which is designed to elect the best this country has to offer for public service. So us all a big favor and don't vote if you don't vote for the best candidate regardless of party.

Is it just me or somehow there are more Mormon advertisement recently?

I recently rewatch the whole 2 season of Sarah Chronicles for Terminator and the it keeps showing Mormon advertisement one after another...

To Larry Stauth Jr;

I would suggest that you keep your pie hole shut and not publicly make a fool of your self.

James Earle (Jimmy) Carter, Jr., who in 1976 became the fifth consecutive
President with prior Navy service, was born in Plains, Georgia on 1 October
1924, to Lillian Gordy and James Earle Carter. Carter grew up in a rural
atmosphere and attended public schools. Graduating from Plains High School in
1941, he attended Georgia Southwestern College in Americus, Georgia. After a
year there, Carter transferred to Georgia Institute of Technology to study
mathematics for a year in order to qualify for the U.S. Naval Academy. In 1943,
Carter received an appointment to the academy and became a member of the Class
of 1947. After completing the accelerated wartime program, he graduated on 5
June 1946 with distinction and obtained his commission as ensign.

After
he graduated, Carter was stationed at Norfolk and assigned to USS Wyoming
(E-AG 17), an older battleship that had been converted into a floating
laboratory for testing new electronics and gunnery equipment. On Wyoming,
Carter served as radar officer and CIC officer. Detached when Wyoming was
decommissioned on 23 July 1947, he was assigned that day to another similarly
used battleship, USS Mississippi (E-AG 128) as Training and Education
Officer. After completing two years of surface ship duty, Carter chose to apply
for submarine duty. Accepted, he began the six-month course at the U.S. Navy
Submarine School, Submarine Base, New London, Connecticut from 14 June to 17
December 1948.

Upon completion of the course, Carter was assigned to USS
Pomfret (SS 391) based at Pearl Harbor, Hawaii where he reported on board
on 29 December. Pomfret left on a simulated war patrol to the western
Pacific and the Chinese coast on 4 January 1949. On board, Carter qualified in a
submarine on 4 February, and served as Communications Officer, Sonar Officer,
Electronics Officer, Gunnery Officer and Supply Officer. On 9 March, he served
as the approach officer for a simulated torpedo firing at target ships, and
scored a "hit." The submarine returned to Pearl Harbor on 25 March. Soon after
Carter's promotion to Lieutenant Junior Grade on 5 June 1949, Pomfret was
sent in July to San Diego where the submarine operated along the California
coast.

Not knowing that President Carter was a Naval Officer shines a light on your ignorance and invalidates any comments you have or in the immediate future, will make.

MAW Owen was not spouting lies here is the link about sensata.

http://www.inquisitr.com/362821/sensata-technologies-scandal-could-be-brewing-for-mitt-romney/#yfsA0OPhMMIc2tY8.99

Read it for yourself, or are you one of those who refuse to recognize truth even when it slaps them in the face?

No, it was supposed to be a break from campaigning. Romney treated it like a roast of the President. The only thing he found funny about himself was that he didn't drink, which he reminded the crowd several times. Knee slapper. Other than that, it was really just cover for a bunch of nasty campaign-driven attacks, most of it funny only to his base.

Just my two cents.

I can't believe that this election is this close. The most it should be is 80 - 20. If you notice everything Romney says is focused through the filter of a job, money or employment and how rich people need to be coddled. I have never seen a human with such a warped, deranged, singular world view. When asked what he will do for women he replies that all women need is to work in one of his sweat shops for bare-subsistence wages,...and everything will be alright. How about providing child care stipends to assist single Moms trying to make it? How about funding Planned Parenthood? God! Has this poor creature no other means of expression but his worship of money, commerce and wealth? What does he say during love making? "Ooooooh baby, let's improve our net shareholders equity!!"

And half of America wants to elect this sociopathic kook? If it happens I am swimming for Canada at dawn the following day.

GO TIGERS, BEAT SF OR SL

Romney told the formal white tie and gown crowd that, "it's nice to finally relax and wear what Anne and I wear around the house.

Oh How SWEET! Keeps rubbing in our face that he is the rich "entrepenurial" that can't get his hands dirty.

George Hamilton has played the pompous millionaire, and Jim Backus on Gilligan Island.

-I know, that is even before my time, but I have seen reruns-

Mitt Romney is just like them.

I am grateful for the few hours of relative calm before the storm. The next 3 weeks are going to be hectic for both of them and full of dirty politics and unsubstantiated claims.

To give credit where its due, President Obama has had some success in polarizing the nation, significantly increasing debt, damaging our reputation world wide, stalling the economy and increasing the number of dependents relying on government assistance. These are just a few examples of his “achievements” over the last 4 years. He tried his best to “level the playing field” and by stealth deliver his brand of social change to our shores. Socialism is the best way to describe it.

It, socialism that is, has not worked in Eastern Europe, it’s killing Western Europe right now and has turned the few nations that continue to persist with it into poverty stricken enclaves. Why in the world did our President think that it would work for him/us?

Romney 2012, show us how it should be done.

Jonny,

just how smart is the average democrat? Liberals keep calling Romney and republicans stupid, but how smart do you have to be to borrow a trillion dollars from China and give it to welfare recipients? Even I, a stupid republican, can figure out how to do that, the only thing I cant figure out is how much it will cost to pay it back if you dont have the money, so you borrow another trillion and a half, to pay back the first trillion. Obama and you are really smart.

Liberals keep calling Romney and republicans stupid, but how smart do you have to be to borrow a trillion dollars from China and give it to welfare recipients?

If what you are saying was true -which it isn't- it would still make more sense than putting 2 wars "on credit cards" as Joe Bidden pointed out.

At least the money would have gone to us, not to kill others. You guys keep forgetting that wars are very expensive, and the worst price is the human lives and the destruction.

Man of Steel,

GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT.

Ambassador Stevens' mother DID NOT say anything derogatory about the President or the circumstances surrounding her son's death. Here is what she DID say:

"I don't think it's productive to lay blame on people."

She also said she "doesn't want to talk about the circumstances surrounding her son's death." And Ambassador Stevens' father has asked Mitt Romney to stop politicizing his son's death, but Mr. Romney continues to do so.

Apparently, Mr. Romney has no respect for our dead patriots or their families, and neither do you or all those other folks on the Vine who checked your post without researching the facts first. That's one thing that drives me crazy about forums like this ... people read something that sounds good to them and then hop on board before even checking it out first.

Romney wins yet again. Benghazi-gate is about to be busted wide open bringing an end to the inept failure that has been residing in the WhiteHouse the last few years.

Obama's comments tonight are brought to you by the letter "O" and the number 16 TRILLION!

Good one!

It has been revealed that Obama's pension fund was organized in the Cayman Islands and he has investments in Chinese companies. So why all the hate for Romney???????? Half the people in the United States with any kind of retirement anywhere have investments in chinese companies.

Find something genuine that needs to be fixed and concentrate on that.

Yeah Barry, Bin Laden is dead....and so is Chris Stevens!

I looked up Sensata the plant in Illinois that an earlier poster said that Romney and Bain Capitol were shutting down and sending to china.. It is true.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/17/bain-capital-sensata-six-arrests_n_1974554.html

Romney's emotional stability has been called into question by those who know him best: his wife and sons.

Ann Romney is referred to as the "Mitt Stabilizer" because Romney's emotional state deteriorates when she is not around.

What might happen to Romney's fragile emotional state if anything happens to Ann?

She's a very ill woman, you know. MS, cancer... I'm worried about that and I know many other Americans are too.

I think it is good that they can laugh at themselves, I have been laughing to tears for months.

Gary Johnson 2012

Avenger post 1.61

You are absolutely correct. Unless everyone on one party ticket are actually the best candidates there is no reason or excuse to vote a straight party line. I'll be voting for some democrats, some republicans and there is still an independent I am seriously looking at. And quite frankly, sometimes I vote for a particular candidate because his/her party is out of the majority, the majority is doing stupid things and and we need some people to put the brakes on.

Like Obama said last night on the Daily Show on Comedy Central, the killing of four Americans in Libya last month was "not optimal." You would have to assume that by "not optimal" Obama was referring to how it has interfered with his campaign. Or maybe by "not optimal" Obama was referring to how hard it has been to come up with a consistent story. One thing for sure, describing the death of four Americans in a terrorist attack as "not optimal" is a pretty cold statement by Obama. Just who does Obama think the job of being president is all about? Obama, or the nation?

joy57111

Joy, I guess you are not going to like this video then....

http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=Lvl5Gan69Wo

CEO of GM says 7 of 10 vehicles were made OUTSIDE of the US since the taxpayer bailout!

11 JOINT ventures in CHINA!

Drudge Report.......Get News without the BIAS protect Obama spin.

BTW-

My only question is this. Does the Obama campaign reimburse all of you for getting on here and posting such ridiculous posts, or is it MSNBC themselves?

I find your post laughable, and to be nothing more than desperate political tatics to continue the forget the Obama failures, focus on making Romney to be a evil, bad man agenda. Polls indicate that the Obama campaign is steadily bleeding. That's what happens when you spend all of your time trying to make your competition look bad, instead of trying to plead your case on what you are going to do to keep your position.

There's a reason MSNBC is the least trusted news network. It's overrun by liberal thinking. It hasn't been objective in many, many years. They cover for any liberal democratic politician, and try their best to destroy the opposition. This news agency is dead, it's only value is purely entertainment.

Does anyone know why the President's lovely wife did not attend this function?

Well, Perfect Eric, let's just take a look at history.

I remember when John F. Kennedy was assassinated if that's a clue as to how young I am.

I remember after the Nixon/Watergate and Gerald Ford fiasco, how Jimmy Carter told the American people we would have to cut back and make some sacrifices in order to pay down the deficit over a period of years. More than half the country said, "Hell NO," and stampeded to the polls to vote for Ronald Reagan the Great Communicator who communicated "trickle-down voodoo economics" and brought on the greatest debt the country had ever incurred at that time before he retired to his California ranch with his astrology-loving wife, Nancy. Afterwards, Reagan said the tremendous deficit he thrust on our nation "was the biggest disappointment of his presidency."

I remember how the masses loved it when G.H.W. Bush (George's father) told them what they wanted
to hear … "READ MY LIPS - NO NEW TAXES!"

Then two years later Bush raised taxes.

Then Bill Clinton came along and straightened out the economic mess after eight years and our country
finally had a surplus again.

Then, not caring for Al Gore and wanting a more conservative Supreme Court, I voted for George Bush -
twice. He put two wars on a credit card and flushed our economy down the toilet in the worst recession since the Great Depression. Then he and Cheney took their golden parachute rides to their luxury ranches in Texas and Wyoming.

Let's see ... and I remember how in less than four years, President Obama has tried to bring the
economic slide to a stop and get it turned around and headed in the right direction, just as he promised to do. Got us out of Iraq, too.

So, take your pompous posts about Romney, stop listening to FOX news while you eat your microwave
popcorn, and start doing a little reading in the history books.

You'll find out that your beloved GOP candidate worships a man named Joseph Smith who, because he
could not find Captain's Kidd buried gold treasure, decided to create a fantasy about finding some golden plates an angel named Moroni gave him.

And since you like fresh ideas, how about this one -- 99% of the Tea Party members are part of the 47% of freeloaders that Mitt Romney disdains.

RepublicansForObama-6186389

Is it something I said?

Really, I am a Republican.

I just don't want Mitt Romney, the Liar, the Cheater and Thief, in our White House.

Look at actions:

1. Liar -- he is a politician they all spin , and Obama has lied so much its redick

2. Cheater -- He is?? How ?? Paid his taxes , doesn't cheat on his wife??

3. Thief -- How is that ?? The man gave millions to charity every year

You have given your stance away that you are a liberal

1. excessive name calling without any facts

2. Your outward hatred of a man you know nothing about

3. blind envy over someone who is a self made rich person

Just STFU and switch your Screen Name to something else.

I don't like Obama. But ya gotta give somebody props for being able to laugh at them self.

Fedup -- So 7 out of 10 vehicles are made outside the US, those 7 out of 10 are also sold outside the US.

I'm a faithful and loyal Republican, yet I will be Voting a straight Democratic ticket

If you're going to be a successful troll, you need to work on some subtlety in your lies.

Vermillion Sky

ROMNEY for the next 4 years. You guys are dreaming

Obama is a huge fail

I agree!

P.S. I just Romneyfied your quote. Just like Romney, I manipulated your quote to use as my talking point.

I remember how the masses loved it when G.H.W. Bush (George's father) told them what they wantedto hear … "READ MY LIPS - NO NEW TAXES!"

Then two years later Bush raised taxes.

Then Bill Clinton came along and straightened out the economic mess after eight years and our country finally had a surplus again.

Then, not caring for Al Gore and wanting a more conservative Supreme Court, I voted for George Bush - twice. He put two wars on a credit card and flushed our economy down the toilet in the worst recession since the Great Depression

Lets look at a bigger picture DEMs forced Bush Sr. to raise taxes and caused a recession that ended his term.

Bill just like Obama came at the tail end of the recession on the upswing but the economy and balanced budgets happened when the 1996 REP congress passed welfare reform and balanced the budget. The country was shut down twice and Clinton Vetoed twice the bill that would define his presidency for low debts. Also there was no surplus the last year the debt went up 144 billion. Still low but not a surplus.

As far as the Two wars the Debt until the recession caused by the housing meltdown was below 400 billion for 6 years straight.

As far as the great recession the DEMs helped to cause this problem. How you might ask

1. Passing the 1992 act

2. from 2002-2006 killing the regulation called upon by REP to better control the GSEs

3. Tying Federal monies to housing loan requirements forcing the banks to make poor loans

www.youtube.com/watch?v=IyqYY72PeRM

www.youtube.com/watch?v=hxMInSfanqg

www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMnSp4qEXNM

www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJtm0rnbm10 --- skip to 5:20 secs gotta love it

So, take your pompous posts about Romney, stop listening to FOX news while you eat your microwave popcorn, and start doing a little reading in the history books.

I like Videos they work so well :) History books can be bias to the winners

It was a night of fun. Barry was laughing at the things Romney was saying about him and they seemed to have a good time together. Why do you libs always have to act so soft? Toughen up you bunch of babies.

As far as the clown asking about Mitts Vietnam service. He was on a Mission trip, when he returned his draft number was not pulled. In case you forgot there was a lottery for the draft in Nam. Now please tell me what branch of military Obama served in again?

Good post Larry. But you might as well stand and talk to a tree because you'll at least be talking to something smarter that Owen. These O-sheeple will never listen to reason or facts.

There is truth to this post. However, it is people from both sides that won't listen or see the facts. It is like scripture says: they listen but they do not hear; they look but do not see.

Romney had a sarcastic edge to his tone last night along with the smirk on his face. The man has no class for all the money he has and is not fit to be President.

Romney was witty at times and downright funny at others. The media has tried to paint him as a stiff...

Sorry liberal media, Romney is likeable and looks very Presidential. I'm certain he will do a good job.

Romney/Ryan 2012!

President Obama did not skip out and get special deferments during the Vietnam was because he was not OLD enough to be drafted like the No Where Man, Flip Flopper hypocrite!

Mitt the Twit is a coward and a TAX cheat and a LIAR!!!!!

He certainly has give the cosmetic surgery industry a lot of business! I hope Taggert get the Chin lifts like his Fake Mom Annie!!!

OHIO OBAMA

OBAMA/BIDEN 2012

What I dont get is why the media and libs want to keep saying Romney is stiff and robotic. Who cares if he seems stiff? I would rather have a stiff looking guy that can actually lead the country over someone who acts like he is a rock star and sucks at his job.

Ok Savanah.........you didnt answer the question about what branch Obama served in.

hey randy how do you know he paid them taxes other then the 2 years he showed you, as you said politicians lie.

As for that charity that is 100% to the mormon church which actually requires it to be a member. so really its a membership fee not charity.

And how is inheriting money from your parents make you a self made rich person??????

@fuskergal, Would you like some cheese with your "Whine" ???

It was a charitable fundraiser with a "Roast" like atmosphere and humor was INTENDED ! Sorry, but just like the debates, Romney did the better job last night and his timing resembled that of the late, great Bob Hope. Obama did pretty well himself, but he appeared much more tense and was not at ease. In case you missed it, Obama also poked some fun at Mitt Romney to balance things out.

Wake up, SHEEPLE ! ! ! ! !

There are two Americas.......the one in which we real citizens *the livestock* survive and the other one where these elitist, Harvard raised, Skull and Bones member, useless lawyer and vulture capitalist, blue-bloods dwell.

You are their property and THEY view you and use you like a worthless self-renewing disposable resource.

Obama hasn't even picked up the phone to talk with Boehner about the fiscal cliff coming to a January near you. Obama has issued a veto threat, which is apparently how Obama feels compromise works in Washington. The fact is Obama wants all the Bush tax cuts to expire and the across the board spending cuts since he feels he cannot be blamed. Obama will blame Republicans even though the Harry Reid led Senate has done nothing for years. Obama wants to raise taxes on everyone, it is the only way to have the revenue to cover his lavish spending habits and redistribution. But Obama doesn't want the blame, even though the Democratic Party has been orchestrating this situation with the help of the media. So happy new year if Obama is re-elected. A big tax increase thanks to Obama, even if the blame game continues everyone but liberals will know the truth.

3. blind envy over someone who is a self made rich person

LMFAO! Who is blind, Randy?

You think Mitt Romney is a self-made man?! The son of the CEO of American Motors, Governor of Michigan, Secretary of Housing and Urban Development?

A guy who got into the Harvard Law/MBA program with an undergrad degree from Brigham Young? (Thanks for the phone call to Harvard, dad!)

A guy who was offered to head the start up of Bain Capital by his boss at Bain, with the guarantee that if the new venture failed, he could have his old job back?

A guy whose idea of adversity was having to sell inherited stock to pay his way through grad school?

A guy whose idea of hardship is having to eat tuna and pasta?

Gee, Randy...you must be like Romney then. Born on third base and thinks he hit a home run.

So which candidate "won" the charity fundraiser? You people are nuts.

Romney as Bob Hope!?!?! REally?

I love how some people on the left selectively trot out the value of millitary service only when it suits their agenda. It seems to be a pretty null issue in this particular election since neither candidate or vice president for that matter has any millitary experience.

Yet last election when Obama ran against a man who not only served in our millitary but was captured and tortured as a prisoner of war and as a result spent the majority of his entire life with limited use of his arms, but STILL continued to serve the people of the country he was tortured in the name of, and through hard work made his way to the top and sought the highest office of the land; the left just deemed him an old out of touch white guy.

Wow, even when talking about this dinner, most people are brainwashed party Brahmin. Romney is this, that, or something else, Obama is kind, just good. PUH-LEEEEZE!!!! How much drug therapy and Indoctrination does it take to completely remove your ability to think independently?

Let me break this to you as gently as I can. Politicians, regardless of party are thieves, con men, scoundrels and liars. It's all part of the job. They have two things thing have in common, their lust for money and power and If they're mouth is moving, they are LYING to you.

Please explain how it is, that on a tax payer provided salary of $460,000 this president posted an adjusted federal personal income ( after all the breaks, deductions, exemptions, credits, etc.) of $1.7 million in 2011. This does not include benefits or health care which is free to him, WE pay all of it along with his salary. So, in fact Obama's personal income was much higher before all the breaks he took to "adjust" his income. Think you could post number that much above your W-3 without the IRS kicking in the door? I think not.

Romney posted $20 million and paid 14% or $2.288 million in taxes on this income. Neither reveals all sources of their income. Again meaning, his real income was much higher.

As to the question of Romney's kids not serving in the military, that's easy clown boy, since 1975 our military has been all volunteer, just as it is for yours. They can join or not. They ended the draft because whining sissies thought it too great an imposition to require military service as all other countries you sight as being more civilized do. Even Switzerland requires military training and regular military exorcises for all citizens 18-50. What about King William of Clinton spending his time in Canada and England instead of serving in Vietnam, Clown? Hmmm, What about that?

The point is, they are all dirty, ALL the time. The current and hopeful are no different. If you form an acronym from the four affiliations, dems, independents, Repubs and,,,,,, tea party,,, you get D.I.R.T. Do you people honestly think the is happenstance? NOTHING to do with politicians is happenstance, the division of the country with party rhetoric is by design. If they keep the people arguing among themselves, few have the presence of mind to watch THEM. And these people bear watching closely. I know it's tough with all the indoctrination by THINK!!!! I stopped drinking form the party cooler years ago. I just wish others would too. Before we are sold to the highest bidder by your political saints in designer suits.

Nicodemus. I am no fan of Obama's but your post reeks of conspiracy.

Obama makes considerable income each year of his book sales, which you make no mention or consideration of. Amazing when you are put into one of if not the single more recognized public position in the world, and you have written several books, a few people go out and buy them.

What possible jusfication do you have to say Romney made "much more" income? He pays a smaller percentage of tax because he makes the vast majority (all as far as I know of) of his income off of returns from his investments, which are taxed differently from earned income tax (which he already would have paid on the money he used to make the investments anyway), and those returns are already taxed at a 35% corporate level before he pays the additonal capital gains taxes. Again, so I don't see anywhere in that which indicates he made a "real income" that was "much higher."

Romney directed 8 jokes towards the President.

President Obama directed 3 jokes towards Romney.

President Obama directed more jokes at himself and laughed at himself. Romney could not do the same without chitting his pants. It would infuriate Romney for people to laugh at him, why? Because Romney has no sense of humor, he only finds things that are demeaning to others to be funny. Think back to his school days and ridiculing the kid with the long hair, then taking a pair of scissors, holding him down, and cutting his hair. Romney is a mean, hateful, contemptuous person. Those types of people cannot laugh at themselves.

Romney's opening joke was funny, very funny, but he took it personally and could not enjoy it.

Everyone here is ridiculous. Both these men are way better individuals than anyone on this board. They both are great fathers and true family men that care about the future of this country. Albeit, they have a lot different views on how to help this country, but that doesn't mean one cares more than the other. I will be voting for Romeny because his view for the future is more in line with how I beleive we should be heading. Does that mean I hate and despise Obama, NO!. I will be behind him if he is elected because he will still be MY and every other American's President. I have never seen this country more divided then it is today. The people on both sides that spit hate back and forth at each other are the real problems in this country. We are all Americans people. Start acting like it and stop being belligerent, hateful, and ignorant Democrats or Republicans. Grow up and start acting like civil adults and true American citizens.

"If you don't have a record to run on, then you paint your opponent as someone people should run from. You make a big election about small things. " Barack Obama August 28, 2008

Proud, you know that you are absolutely right in what your saying and deep down alot of us know it. It's really sad that despite your words very little will change. It's hard to stay civil and respectfull which ever side you take when people will continue spew lies and making hateful statements just because they can and they are so into which ever candidate they root for and so hatefull of the one they don't. EAch side wants to say their guy won each of the debates when if fact they were so close that what it all boils down to is just on how you interprete the information. Attacking the candidates wives and childen is also pretty damned disgusting. Particularly the way Mrs. Romney and her kids are being treated. Just because they have alot of money doesn't make it right to make up a bunch of false misleading statements. DO you see anybody going after the Obama girls?? I haven't seen one horrible nasty thing said about them even though attacking the kids has been par for the course in pretty much every election that I can remember!!!! Is it just becasue they are so young? Would they be subject to all the nasty crap if they were already teens or young adults?? Probably so. Religious beliefs being attacked is pretty crappy too. I willing to bet most people attacking the Mormom faith don't know the first thing about the faith at all. Only going on what they've heard of they way the church was in the past. EVERY religion there is has been GUILTY of some pretty horrible things and well as some pretty great things.

proudoftheusa

I agree with supporting a President as an American. The problem I see is that both of these men actually represent 20% of our population whether it be far right socially engineering conservatives or far left socially engineering liberals. Do I despise them as men? No, I despise their ideals. Especially when they won't represent the other 80% of us. As far as being a proud American, I will become one when lobbyists from the far left and far right are no longer able to buy policy, both foreign and domestic.

And I hold Congress to the same measure. As I see it, it is a structural problem within the government and is hardly representative of the American people and the majorities true ideals.

Republicans for Obama

After Billy Graham met with Mitt Romney, he had a change of heart. Not only did he announce his support for Mitt because of Mitt's impressive interview, but also took the "cult" listing section off the website, and has cut a commercial supporting Mitt Romney.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/18/billy-graham-ads-mitt-romney_n_1983113.html

They both did an excellent job and its refreshing to see them both out of the political realm so to speak. Both were right, despite their political differences the two men are excellent husbands and father. That much I think everyone can agree on.

Barbara Jackson

Larry Staugh Jr - Except for one thing Willard owns 51% of Bain Capital Common Stock which gives him control and by owning 51% he can change anything they do

First, 51% is an outsiders computation and may not be the real percentage of Value. In actual fact, Mitt set his leaving up that he would be a silent partner. Not only that, but, Mitt's holdings are all in a blind trust. From a little bit of digging, Mitt GAVE many shares of Bain to the Mormon Church.

In the end, I think you have nothing but spin about Romney.

RepublicanForObama,

I'm a faithful and loyal Republican, yet I will be Voting a straight Democratic ticket.

I guess we cancel each other out. As a diehard radical left wing liberal/progressive Democrat wack job I will be Voting a straight Republican ticket.

By the way. It's Democrat ticket not Democratic ticket.

Bigdogg464,

President Obama directed more jokes at himself and laughed at himself.

I've never accused President Obama of not having a sense of humor. Even he knows a joke when he sees one.

For once, I can agree with Romoney! The President got the better deal with Bill Clinton. Now theres a guy, who knows how to have a good time. While Willard has poor sickly Ann, who reeks of horse.

hiap;

What did you do pick out choice little tid-bits of my post to my your point? First I said ALL politicians are Lairs, con-men, scoundrels and thieves.

And if Romney reported $20 million, it is an accounting certainty he made much more than that because of the same adjustments to his income they all, including Mr. "O" use. Just as Obama adjusted his personal income down to $1.7 million for 2011. Accounting 101, take a class.

Do you not adjust your income on you federal return and as such your state return? You're going to tell me you pay full tax without deduction, exemption or credit? Really? They use all those and more. It matters not where the income originates, it all has to be declared and/or adjusted. Book sales,,, by a sitting President, seems a conflict of interest to me. Is he not supposed to be conducting OUR business while in office? Yet, he finds the time to write books,,,,,, Hmmm. What does he overlook when concentrating on personal business? All before him waited until they LEFT office to publish, if memory serves.

Read the post not just bits and pieces, I trust NO politician. Party is of no consequence. None in the last thirty years has demonstrated the forthrightness to be trusted, as far as I am concerned. You can trust these snake oil salesmen if you like. I trust those who prove they are worthy of it. And at this point that would be,,,,, NONE! All you have done is provide reasons to trust them even less.

Big Brother meets Big Data: Governments start scrutinizing credit card records

By Bob Sullivan

The economy is so bad in Argentina that the government recently said it would start taxing overseas credit card purchases. It also demanded that banks report all credit card transactions -- foreign or domestic -- saying the data would be used to find tax cheats.

Even George Orwell couldn't have imagined this meeting of Big Brother and Big Data: a handy database of every single purchase made by citizens, ready to be categorized and analyzed by the government. Let your mind wander for a moment and you can imagine the disturbing possibilities of a government so invasive that it knows when and where you buy milk and bread.

okie joe-3728210

Fedup -- So 7 out of 10 vehicles are made outside the US, those 7 out of 10 are also sold outside the US.

Okie....too bad reading comprehension... isn't your strong suit......or watching a video!

Perhaps drawing it out in crayons might work for you?

The mother of one of four Americans killed in the Sept. 11 attack on the U.S. consulate in Libya lashed out at President Barack Obama on Friday for saying the attack was “not optimal.”

“My son is not very optimal. He is also very dead,” Patricia Smith, 72, the mother of Sean Smith, told the Daily Mail. “It was a disrespectful thing to say, and I don't think it’s right.

“How can you say somebody being killed is not very optimal? I don't think the President has the right idea of the English language,” she said.

In an interview on “The Daily Show” on Comedy Central, Obama responded to a question from host Jon Stewart about his administration's confused communication after the assault by saying, “If four Americans get killed, it’s not optimal.”

The attack at the consulate in Benghazi also killed U.S. Ambassador Christopher Stevens and security men and former U.S. Navy SEALs Glen Doherty and Tyrone Woods.

Read more on Newsmax.com: Mom of Slain Diplomat: 'My Son Is Not Very Optimal — He Is Very Dead'
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Amused....Nothing amusing that I can see in that comment. You are getting just down-right nasty here. No compassion left, yet the liberals profess their desire to offer dignity, hope and comfort to all. Just showing true colors now...Vulgar, mean-spirited and no empathy for someone who is ill but still is gracious; something you can never achieve.

Irish 21,

You want a dignified president capable of handling the job. Lefties are not that way.

I'll say it again. None of this matters in the election. The only thing that matters to most of the apathetic population of the USA is that Obama is cute, smiles big, and has become a rock star! Celebrity is all that matters.

"Gee, did you see him on the view? He's a great guest and all the hostesses loved him! He's got my vote!"

"He is so cool! You can tell he really cares about us!"

"I'm not worried about high gas prices, mortgages or anything! Barack said he would take care of it!"

You watch. There are enough shallow people in this country that this never done anything in the private sector, only worked in government, pot stirring community organizer, tell you anything you want to hear, pure but incompetent politician, will be reelected. Four more years of blaming Bush? Probably, but not from my vote.

jerseyshore - Snooki is that you? Congrats on the new bambino. Still laying off the booze and drugs? Way to go girl. Sorry girl but I was having some fun with the Rombots. Now you know NJ is going for the Prez don't you? Hope you can obtain a sense of humor.

Wake up! Romney and Obama are related to each other (look it up). They are also related the Bush's! The blue bloods have always run this world. There is no difference between the two!

Book sales,,, by a sitting President, seems a conflict of interest to me. Is he not supposed to be conducting OUR business while in office? Yet, he finds the time to write books,,,,,, Hmmm.

His books were written before he became President. hat he is reporting is royalties from sales. His two books were published in 1995 and 2006.

Romney seemed to repeat what he has been saying on the stump, it appeared to be a political speech. The speakers are suppose to joke about them selves. The President only poked fun at Romney and Ryan 3 times while much of Romney's speech was directed at the President.

DLC - I caught that, too. Previous politicians at this event have poked fun at the others, but it was seldom mean-spirited as I thought a couple of Romney's remarks were tonight, altho they weren't too terribly awful. Once again, the president takes the high road.

Mr. Noah - Not sure Romney's jokes and delivery were all that good. He looks sooooo uncomfortable in situations like this. When you use self-deprecracating humor, it should be delivered dead-pan and then you should laugh at yourself. Sorry, Mitt's just a strange guy. (BTW, those weren't Mitt's jokes or the prez's jokes -- comedy writers' jokes!)

Romney's jokes and delivery were better? More like stiff, rude, offensive and obnoxious just like he always is!!

@pjamo9...isn't Honey an admitted redneck! That should make her an ideal future GOPer!!

Rational Guy

It's no fun if we have to explain it to you too!

@ AFEWGOODMEN...no need to explain your ignorance! I understand and empathize!!

Rational Guy - Honey Boo Boo is 6 years old - same mentality as you average liberal.

Glad to hear Mitt did well at stand up comedy - sounds like he'll have work after he loses the 2012 election.

Last night showcased two men wearing fake smiles and telling stale jokes that no one gives a $hit about anyway. Willard hasn't changed and he will continue to flip and flop on the issues and maybe on a new one today. The polls are tight and the rhetoric is high, Romney might have got the laugh on Obama last night but Obama will get the last laugh on Willard on Nov 6th.

Most of the time the 2 Presidential Candidates are near fisticuffs during debates, on the Campaign Trail degrading each other, then a Fundraiser brings them together as if they have been friends forever!

They need to appear "civilized" in front of the media. The reality is that they probably hated going there and "pretend" they liked each other.

They are smiling and shaking hands while at the same time they are spending BILLIONS THAT COULD CREATE MANY JOBS into tearing each other apart!

Regarding Romney and Trusts:
As a freshman senator, Barack Obama—whose wealth comes almost entirely from his book royalties—set up a blind trust but later that same year sold all of his stocks and closed the trust because he decided that even such an arrangement could not protect him from the appearance of a conflict. Most of his wealth is now invested in U.S. Treasury bonds and diversified funds—about the most transparent option available. What’s good for the country is good for Obama, and vice versa, to coin a phrase.

Romney declared at one point: “The blind trust is an age-old ruse.” He takes a slightly different tack to run today, but even his own spokeswoman, Andrea Saul, has acknowledged that if he’s elected, he’ll move his wealth into a new, stricter blind trust. It begs the questions, “So Romney, you can be trusted for a stricter trust? Define stricter in your manipulated Dictionary of I Can Do Anything I Want Because I’m a Haves and You’re a HaveNot.

Owen: Great job, thanks for posting. We need to be reminded over and over. The Romney campaign has doubled their force. “Attention all Mormons and die-hard repub/tparty. You know how we dinged CA Prop 8, that was small time, we’re going all out for the presidency. We’ll spend what needs to be spent to steal this election. Hey, we have now at least $1Billion ‘invested’ in this boy child and expect a great return. Keep cramming those lies in there. Said often enough, Americans will believe anything. Worked to put bush/cheney in and we can do it again.”

Sleuth23 #1.16: There is no “relax you guys” with a viper. Never turn your back on a snake, Sensala did and bought Bain’s their spiel line and sinker. Tune in MSNBC Ed Schutz tonite and catch “relax” on their ‘trust me.”

Honest Dave: Romney pledged to his church first, Romney Family Trust, et al, second, Norquist third, Chinese fourth. Americans are vying for a place in his sketch.

Larry Stauth Jr: You and we know your responses are moot. Keep defending Romney. For people like you, it’s much easier than facing the reality that you’re wrong in supporting Romney/Ryan. When you stop banging your head against the wall, your headache will disappear.

Rangewolf: You’re so behind. Prez Obama’s Hawaii was debunked almost immediately. Money? Some investments Prez Obama made, putting his money into US Treasury notes, and a whopping $11 in some mutual fund that invested in China. You’re no fun. And take your deskmate, joe t, with you. You’re both embarrassing Rove.

You might want to look into “Ann Romney sells horse drugged before sale, settled out of court.

Romney against embryo research, includes intro fertilization, and against ALL abortion. Tagg & wife used that procedure for their baby. They also signed a permission for abortion if the intro procedure produced an imperfect zygot. Repub/tparty motto For ME, not thee.

It appears Romney will go all out to even up with Prez Obama personally, not politically as one might think. That kicker was Romney's reference to Prez Obama's family - trying to put balm on the nasty cutthroat digs he gave out. His presentation was to put our President in his place. Romney is frustrated and impatient, a dangerous combination, needing constant pats, but watch out if you cross him. Romney carries vengeance before him at all times.

Prez Obama, in case it escaped notice, has a dignity about him at all times, that's who and what he is. He rises above pettiness, and that can only be done through a deep spirituality and belief, really deep. A security that he's doing and saying the right thing. And the Pres has the wisdom of a much older person. This President Obama has respect for ALL, I think, my opinion after doing much research, that supercedes what we carry with us, that negative baggage tweaking at all times. If only...

OBAMA-BIDEN 2012 and a Strong Democratic Congress

Romney 1040 You should have taken your kicks and been done with it. Now we know - no trust in him.

A lot of you you knock Romney for "shipping" jobs overseas for cheaper labor benefits missed what the President said during the last debate...or you ignore it.

"Those jobs leaving the country are low skill jobs and they aren't coming back"

At least Romney is campaigning to stop it. But what he is doing wasn't illegal. Never was. Most of you would make a buck any way you could. It's why cheaper goods not made in this country THRIVE. It's why WalMart is the one of the biggest places in the world.

But to act like Obama is saving those jobs or will when he hasn't YET IN FOUR YEARS is just sad and silly.

low skill jobs are needed for the millions of border jumping illegals

Otherwise non citizens will be taking your jobs away oh wait that has already started and Obama gave them a free ticket to do so.

brian-1924638. If you really watched the debate you would have also heard Mitt say, "it is not the governments job to create jobs." The president is correct about some jobs are not coming back because their are several jobs that are becoming obsolete. For example, if you notice banks are pushing for online banking, with online banking you can do anything such as deposit funds, transfer, and etc. They are slowly getting rid of Tellers which in terms will cause this position to become obsolete. With the advancements of science and technology this is making this possible, that is why President Obama is pushing for more Science and Math employees because this is where the world is heading to.

Rational Guy - Honey Boo Boo is 6 years old - same mentality as you average liberal.

Um, it is those in the red states that pay the least in taxes and take the most in welfare. Are you talking average liberal;the ones who pay the highest taxes and take the least in welfare. Are you not mistaken as to whom has the same mentality of Honey Boo Boo?

It seems to me that Nebraska is a "Red" state and old Ben Nelson, a Democrat, sold his soul for a sweetheart "kickback" deal with Obamacare. Are you a hypocrite, huskergal ???

@Brian

Please explain how a seated president, without completely upending the Constitution, can tell privately held companies that they cannot send jobs to countries where the wages are $.50 per hour instead of $25.00 per hour and where the safety of the workers is non-existant. The ONLY way a president can try to stop the migration of jobs is to pen legislation to remove the tax credits those companies take for their out-of-country activities (you know, the ones Romney said he didn't know anything about). President Obama did ...

American Jobs & Closing Tax Loopholes Act (H.R. 4213) - GOP voted no
Small Business Jobs & Credit Act (H.R. 5297) - GOP voted no
Creating American Jobs & Ending Offshoring Act (S.3816) - GOP voted no
American Jobs Act (S.1660) - GOP Voted no
Veterans Jobs Corps Act, (S.3457 / S.Amdt.2789) - GOP voted no
Bring Jobs Home Act S.3364) - GOP voted no
Small Business Jobs and Tax Relief Act (S.2237) - GOP voted no
Agriculture Reform, Food, and Jobs Act of 2012 (S.3240) - GOP voted no
Middle Class Tax Relief and Job Creation Act of 2011 (H.R.3630) - GOP voted no
Bill to create jobs by providing payroll tax relief for middle class families and businesses (S.1917) - GOP voted no
Rebuild America Jobs Act (S.1769) - GOP voted no

Guess WHO would not pass these bills, not because they were bad for the American middle class and small businesses - they were GOOD for the American middle class and small businesses - but because the GOP was playing politics in an effort to insure that President Obama was not able to make things better for America.

Your boy, Romney, talks out of both sides of his mouth regarding job creation. He says that the government cannot create jobs, but that is not true. By awarding contracts to private companies by using tax revenues for the purpose of rebuilding our infrastructure (roads, bridges, schools, water treatment plants, etc.) the government DOES, in effect, create private sector jobs.

Romney says it is not the job of the government or the president to create jobs ... then, 10 minutes later, he says that, when he is president, he will create jobs. Huh?!?

We do not need Romney, a delusional, multi-personality-disorder, self-centered elitist, in the White House. We need a president who cares about 100% of the American people, not the top 1 or 2 percent.

Obama / Biden 2012

Unlike "ordering binders full of women", the "killing of four Americans is not OPTIONAL"

Welfare spending has grown substantially over the past four years, reaching $746 billion in 2011 — or more than Social Security, basic defense spending or any other single chunk of the federal government — according to a new memo by the Congressional Research Service.

The steady rise in welfare spending, which covers more than 80 programs primarily designed to help low-income Americans, got a big boost from the 2009 stimulus and has grown, albeit somewhat more slowly, in 2010 and 2011. One reason is that more people are qualifying in the weak economy, but the federal government also has broadened eligibility so that more people qualify for programs.

Sen. Jeff Sessions, the ranking Republican on the Senate Budget Committee, who requested the Congressional Research Service report, said it underscores a fundamental shift in welfare, moving away from a Band-Aid and toward a more permanent crutch.

“No longer should we measure compassion by how much money the government spends but by how many people we help to rise out of poverty,” the Alabama conservative said. “Welfare assistance should be seen as temporary whenever possible and the goal must be to help more of our fellow citizens attain gainful employment and financial independence.”

Overall, welfare spending as measured by obligations has grown from $563 billion in fiscal 2008 to $746 billion in fiscal 2011, or a jump of 32 percent.

The report from CRS -- a nonpartisan service that provides policy and legal analysis to members of Congress and staffers, regardless of party affiliation -- tells a complex story of American taxpayers’ generosity in supporting a varied social safety net, ranging from food stamps to support for low-income AIDS patients to child-care payments to direct cash going from taxpayers to the poor.

Read more on Newsmax.com: Congressional Report: Welfare Spending Soars 32% Under Obama
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Watched both of their speeches and both were funny. Romney was hilarious and the crowd laughed very hard through his set and Obama had some good lines and the crowd seemed to enjoy his set also. It was a nice break from all the hatred and vitriol...............then I started reading the postings on here and WOW a lot of over the top partisan hyperbole to start the day. Guys there are lots of vines that are pure politics that you can go to but this was supposed to be a lighter side.

I am conflicted by this. I enjoy the comedy by both sides, but have we been reduced to this? Does our vote come down to who has irritated us less or who has the best jokes? In that case, I still have to go with Jerry Seinfeld for Pres. What are your options? George and Kramer? I think not.

@Spellchecker,

Honey Boo Boo and Larry the Cable Guy 2012 - They'll make those muslim radicals "Hollah for their Allah"

The hate everyone and everything group on the left is sure going to have a lot of crow to eat on Nov 7. Don't get too upset when Mitt says, "No, don't forget, we won!" Sound familiar?

Ohhhh, listen. Hear that? Sounds like the chickens coming home to roost.

Willard Mit the Twitt No Where Man, said nothing about his : outsourcing jobs to China, lack of transparency in disclosing his income tax records. Polygmy, car elevator, not serving in the Vietnam War, Taggert's threats of violence against President Obama, Multiple spray tans, Botox and Facelifts, etc. Let GM go Bankrupt, Voter intimidation and suppression, 47 PERCENT OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE ARE MOOCHERS, ETC.

WITH ALL OF THAT, THIS FLIP FLOPPER WANNABE PRESIDENT WILL LOSE BY A LANDSLIDE. OHIO HAS ALREADY GONE DEMOCRATIC, THEREFORE, THIS SERIAL LIAR CAN GO AND FINISH HIS CAR ELEVATOR!!!!

OBAMA/BIDEN 2012 OBAMA/BIDEN 2012!!!!!!!!!!!!

BATTLE FOR WHITE HOUSE

STATE CHANGES

201
Obama/Biden

Toss Ups
131

Romney/Ryan
206

Mitt Romney is a wussie pathological liar, it is who he is, it is a part of his being to lie.

His sons are wussie's, his father was a wussie, his grandfather was a wussie.

The wussie apple does not fall far from the wussie family tree.

How about all you people who have your panties in a wad about jobs going to China stop buying crap made in China?? I always look at things I'm about to buy to see where it was made and try to avoid things made out of country. Almost impossible. Maybe if we start supporting things made in the USA we could make an actual difference.

BigDog,

FYI, Bill Clinton is mad at Obama for having to take the blame for the Libya cover-up. This will destroy her chances for running for President in 2016. Bill & Hilliary are getting fed up for Obama for him not taking responsibility for his own mistakes. Oops!! Not looking good for our affirmative action kid President making boos in the White House. This kid drinks all day long!!! and is acting like a 18 year with his parents credit cards. Unfortunately, it the countries credit card and we want it back.

WelcomeUSA: what planet are you on. President Obama has made very clear that he takes full responsibility for the security and protection of our embassies and consulates and the blame, if you can blame someone for a terrorist act, falls on him, as President of the United States. You must not have listened to the actual statements from the President.

We can tell how angry Bill Clinton is, he's only been on the campaign trail for 4 of the last 4 days, strongly supporting President Obama.

I spoke too soon. Here come the others who don't appear to be in on the joke. Listen to both closing statements please. As they both recognize - There's more to life than politics.

Here's the biggest joke of all.

"The organizer must become schizoid, politically, in order not to slip into becoming a true believer." (Rules for Radicals, Saul Alinksy, pg.78)

I can never figure out if they are "True Believers" or "Schizoid":)

You know, David, I am an old guy. I am one of the few people you will ever meet that actually saw Saul and heard him speak. Here is the bad news, David. Karl Rove has passed out copies of Saul's stuff...but I have never (in fifty years of going to political stuff for Democrats) heard one single person mention him. Not one, not ever. He is not a handbook. The only people I know studying him are the Tea Party friends I go to dinner with...and they are convinced everyone in Obama's administration is running off Saul's instructions. It is the weirdest single fantasy your side has...no basis in fact. None. Zip.

And by the way, Saul would have laughed his ass off at anyone thinking a President would gain office or run a country on his ideas. He was totally against any kind of party.

Owen coffin, everything you said and more I would agree with if you said Obama instead of Romney. I see a lot of suffering everyday by working class people who don't have any money for basics. It is insane to repeat the same mistakes of the last four years. Don't forget, it was Clinton's banking policies that created the mortgage crisis and you didn't hear Bush blaming Clinton; he had more class than that. Obama tells more lies and has a dismal record. Can't wait to see him leave office. He doen't even know what is in his portfolio, how can he manage the countries.

I find it curious that SOMEONE is trying to act like rethugs haven't tried to link the president and Saul Alinsky even before the president took office. Curious, but certainly not surprised, by the stupid shenanigans of the rednecked right. Alinsky died in 1972, get over it! One thing for sure, Robme won't win, he doesn't have enough women voters ( on second thought, those Osmonds do have quite a few women in that family), he doesn't have enough Black or Hispanic voters. Hell, he ain't even got Big Bird! Robme/Lyin Ryan = hell to the NO!

Straight Democratic ticket 2012!

It was truly reassuring to see both of them come through as a class act.

This said Romney tonight, with his intelligence and class, was truly OFF THE CHARTS, and the main Liberal press had no other recourse but to stand idly by - surely in frustration (are you still grinding your teeth in anger Candy Crowley in that you couldn't butt in? - while he short-circuited their naked biased campaign at the shallow caricature depiction of him they have been trying to impose on the American people.

The Liberal Press and those in the Bitter Peanut Gallery in this blog will just have to stew.

This night of laughs further reinforces how much Obama & Romney have in common with each other and how little either of them have in common with the average American.

Buffaloes Roam: I'm getting old too, and I've got plenty of liberal friends. I'd never heard of Saul Alinsky until a few months ago, when some conservative on this blog brought him up as some kind of liberal's guide to politics. I hadn't thought too hard about it, but now that you mention it, I've gotta admit I've never heard anybody other than conservatives so much as mention his name. That was probably your first clue that David was referring to democrats in his strange, off-topic remark.

Yet they all seem to think he's our leader or something. I guess when you live in an echo chamber, anything can become true to you.

Who would want to wear Alinsky on their sleeve?

Oh, and if it takes being an "old guy" to qualify a statement.....I'm all in!

Come to think of it, in my 60 yrs., I never, EVER, heard a conservative (Repub OR Dem)

use Ayn Rand as a political guide either.

Personally, I never ran to 'Atlas Shrugged' or any other Rand writing to get my beliefs.

As far as I can see, the difference between the two, (Alinsky and Rand) is that while Rand was an author, screenwriter, and Broadway producer, who saw America's FREEDOM as much closer to her ideal, Alinsky was a political activist who hated the American system of government. Period.

So again, why would ANYONE want to wear that on their sleeve?

Both of these clowns are a joke. Big-government Statism is all that these two candidates represent and promote,

Nobody brings up or references Alinsky and especially not at the end all and be all of political thought. Paul Ryan himself specifically references Ayn Rand as guiding his political and economic philosophy. He had to dial it down a bit when Rand's views on religion didn't square with his.

Smart people read a lot and pursue differing opinions, philosophies, insights and information in order to make up their own minds. They consider what is said and the time and circumstances in which it was said. Just because they read, study or talk to a particular person doesn't mean they believe them, follow them slavishly or pursue their beliefs unquestionably. If you meet anyone like that, run! It means they don't think for themselves, and surround themselves with "yes men."

Basically you have the same thing. I've seen it over and over again. Candidates running against each other. Most of the time it is behind the scenes that you see them shaking hands and patting each other on the back. Wake up, America!! The only difference is some of their policies. And, BTW, Obama is not poor by any means. I read somewhere a long time ago that he collects over $700,000 a month for something -- I wish I had copied it at the time. Romney has made his money, and being president for either of them is a power play, not a way to make a living.

For those with the comments about draft dodging. This is unimportant -- because Bill Clinton did the same thing. He left the country to avoid going to war. Poor veterans, the Vietnam war was not a popular thing. But I respect every veteran. They fought for their country.

snake... where have you been for the last 4 years?? Have you noticed any of the Chicago MOBpolitical, now Radical- Bunch of wackos now controlling DC?? . .Saul Alinsky -Rule for Radicals--, Bill Ayers--Terrorist & murderer-- , Valerie Jarrett, Frank Davis....All of them are Crooks, Scoundrels, liars & Cheats.. obama has them as his confidants and guides. These associations alone would sink any person, not being shielded by a corrupt Media using carefully scripted Propaganda to mislead public opinion. -It is the Chicago organizer way, after all!!

The fact that Barack Hussen obama has not distanced himself from these people speaks volumes, to those who can think for themselves! Hillary even lets their twisted reason guide her politically.

It would be a great joke, if it was not so very Scarey and UN-American!!

You know, Border Joe...that was really, truly dumb. Do you have to distance yourself from someone you have never read, never followed, never listened to and never met? Rush, Michelle Bachmann, Tea Party officials...they rattle on and on about Saul. No one knows who the hell he is...we don't read him and don't give a rat's ass about him.

Romney isn't on my side...but he is not a monster.

BR - are you sure?

You have the President to thank for the high rate of unemployment Al Kyda. Give credit where credit is due. We don't need another 4 years of this misery. Vote them all out in November. The President failed to get the economy back on its feet like he promised 4 years ago so its time to send him home.

@ tin man...how quickly the DOPes are willing to forget the disaster that the GW administration handed President Obama! How unwilling you are to see that the NOPes in Congress have obstructed and filibustered our country to a standstill! Perhaps you need to research the American Jobs Act and the Veteran's Jobs Bill and then get back to us when you have a clue!!

Rational Guy

You apparently haven't considered the mess Obama is leaving for Gov.Romney. While he continues to live in luxury while the rest of us have to struggle to survive. I bet your wife would love to have a few days of having maids and chefs cook and clean for her. I bet she would love to be able to go on a nice vacation and not have to worry about the cost.

Obama and MooMoo will be laying around on the beach or enjoying the elite estate they are buying in Hawaii with the taxpayers money that he has rerouted public funds into his own bank account and is laughing because he is getting away with robbing the American taxpayers.

Just look at the situation he is leaving our country in. Why are you supporting him?

God Lord... did you not understand that it was a JOKE? He was referring to how you Libitards think that's what he and Ann does. You should swap in your free Obama phone for a sense of humor.

The joke about the white tie formal dress was the best of his speech. That and the Big Bird joke were good. Other than that he got a little mean but those jokes were the only ones that I remember that were totally at his own expense and that is what makes these things funny. The rest was kind of funny but mostly directed at someone or something else like Obama and the media. That just makes someone sound think skinned.

Sheesh, it WAS a joke. Get over trying to find every and any reason to slam Romney. It really seems ridiculous to sit here an analyze every single thing that came out of either candidates mouths!! Seems like everyone posting here has already made up their minds who they are voting for so why attack either one over what they said in this situation?

Deranged wolf,

For F U C K 'S sake, you ass-clown conservatives are so goddam retarded I cannot F U C K I N G stand it any more! All it takes for you a-holes to consider something as FACT is to hear is spewed out of the mouth of someone as ass-backward and hateful as you are. There is no F U C K I N G estate in Hawaii and there is no F U C K I N G way for a president to "reroute public funds into his private bank account".

Are you conservatives really that simple-minded? Apparently so. Shameful, really.

And Obama's honesty is like a pot of gold at the end of a rainbow.

Isn't it amazing what liberals consider to be important election issues?

from way 'down under' we watch with amazement ... Mrs R told Whoopi and gang that Mr R will vanish from politics if he does not win ..is this a threat or a promise ...

I'm a registered independent not a democrat and not a liberal! Isn't it amazing the lengths that neocons will go to delude themselves!! It's pompous, assuming, clueless, dolts like yourself that drive us swing voters towards the Democrats!!

Irrational girl - When you actually have enough dislike of someone enough to jab at them about something for which is totally unrelated to why they are in the public eye, you are in no way "independent".

It's party-obedient sheep like you that are too embarrassed to admit your spinelessness that make up the Democrat base.

@ pjam...MAJOR FAIL on your part! Would you like me to email you a copy of my voter registration? Of course, anyone who doesn't agree with your position must be a Democrat, right? Or a liberal? Is that how you rationalize your lack of intelligence and objectivity? Sheep? LMAO...I love listening to inane neocons like you who get their tag lines from sources like Faux Newsless!! Everytime you open your mouth, you drive away more intelligent voters like myself who see you and your kind for the uninformed dolts that you truly are!!

Come on over to the light Rational Guy. The rethugs major concern is getting the black guy out of office and if the country falls off a cliff while they obfuscate and filibuster.........so what! They just sign another "pledge" by Norquist (who, by the way, looks like the stupidest con artist to ever come down the pike). To rethugs, it's just the cost of doing BUSINESS. All while giving us the BUSINESS, of course. Robme has flip-flopped so many times in just the past few weeks, his rear end has rug burn all over! I think the latest lie is that he isn't against contraceptives for women! But he's going to shut downPlanned Parenthood! NOW he supports abortion in cases of rape and/or incest, sure he does! Robme is a disgusting dirbag and the fruit of his loins Tagg (wtf? guess funny names run in the family like Palin's brood) talks about assaulting the president! Yeah, Robme's got money and he should go buy himself, wifey and the sons some CLASS!

Rational Guy

I'm also an Independent voter but I'm sure not swinging in Obama's direction.

Sandy

So what if Gov. Romney shuts down all the Planned parenthood facilities? Go to your primary doctor and pay for the services like the working class has to do. Start being responsible for your own actions and stop expecting freebies.

Ummmm, Rangewolf, why do you assume I am not a part of the working class? You are WRONG! Why do you think that Planned Parenthood operates on a "freebies" basis only? Again, You are WRONG! Planned Parenthood operates on a sliding fee scale as well as showing compassion for the less fortunate and performs diagnostic procedures like mammograms for free in those instances. Why are you not being responsible for what you are typing? The name DIRECTLY ABOVE your post is spelled Sandie and..... in the name of all that is good, PLEASE EDUCATE YOURSELF! IMO, your post #6.7 was embarrasing. Thanks for playing! Now, go nitey nite and let the adults talk!

Careful there, Rational Guy.

Your 'independence' is showing.......

Rational: Yes, you are right on it.

If you have not seen the documentary 2016 Obama America its a must see...

We need more independent candidates out there, because all this fighting is just PATHETIC! Neither obama or romney are fit for the presidency. It's sickening to see everyone fight over republican or democrat. I say neither because they cannot compromise with each other. Neither party is right on every issue and the sooner everyone figures it out the better it will be.

Sandie

I stand by my earlier comment. You can get these services through your primary doctor like the working class does. Of course you have to pay for it , that's what keeps the economy going. Those that rely on others to pay for their personal care are robbing the taxpayers. No, I really don't believe you work, other than seeing what you can get for free.

Unlike "ordering binders full of women", "the killing of four Americans is not OPTIONAL"

Nasty rude posts like your are akin to fingrnails on a chalkboard.

Romney is ahead in the polls, but your are right, we still need to go vote for him.

The repubs have been running billboards, in SPANISH, saying you need your ID to vote in PA...which you don't.

They've been running billboards in poor black areas threatening jail and fines if you commit voter fraud (30 or so in iowa and 20+ in Wisconsin).

Voter registration ballots had the WRONG date for the election on them in Arizona...but only the ones printed in SPANISH.

Illegal redistricting in Texas and WI have been caught, but it's too late to change them before the election.

Lies, manipulation, threats, election fraud and voter suppression...that's the only way Repubs will win. What is scary is that, although illegal, it may be enough to get their way. When finally settled in the courts, it'll be too late.

Republican Representatives are disgusting, manipulative liars who willingly pass ILLEGAL and Unconstitutional laws for their benefits.

My 1 question to R's is..."What would Romney have to do to LOSE your vote?" 99.99% of you cannot think of a single thing. You vote for him because he's NOT Obama -or- he's an R. That's why this race is so close. When you realize this it is time to do some serious rethinking of your values and rational thinking processes.

Why should anyone be allowed to vote without an ID? Why in the hell would this be excepted by a certain party?

Unless...That party is looking for unregistered and illegal votes.

Already, 3 have been indicted for voter fraud in Ohio. Another 64 more are being investigated since mailings returned back to the voter registration by the U.S. Postal Service apparently did not have valid addresses !

Imagine that !

The system does you just wont hear them in the main political arena. There are other presidential candidates on the ballot.

gdale - I don't understand why everyone on the ballot isn't included in the debates. They used to be. At the very least it could force the "main" candidates (and us) to consider other views on important issues.

Deborah Cox That is they way the debates used to be. I would like to Roseann Barr debating Obama and Romney.

So, the Libertarian and Green parties arent 'a third and fourth choice?

The two party system is, in reality. just one party. Both driven by monied interests who have security clearances higher than the CIC. What's that say about whom is running the show?

As for this little suaree' in New York...

There was alot of money in that room and the seperation of church and state with the cardinal seated between the president and his challenger. Injecting the will of the Rome?

I don't know why I feel compelled to comment on these articles because I'm not stumping for any candidate. I find the whole process of politics nothing but a scummy scam.

Reading the, grammar and eroneous spelling mistakes in the comments posted by my peers makes me afraid that the country I have served is on the fast track to an idiocracy or worse a theocracy.

Herb: You s'pose if you and people like you took an interest things would be better? Some of us are tired of doing your work for you and because of your attitude, it's work to naught. Get registered on the internet. Go and vote for a straight Democratic ticket. This isn't the 1980s, we're in the 21st Century and moving fast. Have a ride with us.

OBAMA-BIDEN 2012 and a Strong Democratic Congress, the altlernative will be disastrous.

Romney - sorry guy. Your slate appears too sketchy for Americans but OK for China.

Your full of it earthgirl-Please stop lying and trying to state a Romney adminstration would be all doom and gloom. You know it's a lie.

ROMNEY/RYAN 2012.

@Herb Sneebler - you spelled erroneous wrong.

Canadian Paul, thanks for saying what I was about to.

AWESOMENESS!

Efrain I have to say your deluded. I truly believe Romney is for himself and the rich.

Mr. Villareal: Not sure I agree that Gov. Romney, and most other republicans, want to make our country a better place. At least not in the way WE'RE thinking. It's apparent that they would like it to be better for themselves and other wealthy folks. There truly doesn't seem to be much concern for the rest of us. The republicans, including Mitt, have fought like crazy to keep the minimum wage where it is or eliminate it. Tell me, WHO CAN LIVE ON THAT? WHO??? Pay for the upper level management in all companies has increased at incredible increments over the past 15 years (and more). How much has the average wage-earners' pay gone up? They are trying to eliminate unions, which are a big part of the reason we even have a middle class and benefits that only the rich used to have - like paid vacations, pensions and sick days. Their claim that if we can just make the rich richer, it'll solve everything, create jobs, increase pay, blah, blah, is such crap. The rich have been getting richer for decades, while the poor get poorer and the middle class is disappearing. How is that making our country a better place?

I would agree that both men truly feel like they will do what they have to do and try to their best. Do you truly believe freelancer that Romney is "in it for himself and the rich" the rich don't need this kind of hassle, they can all go be rich by themselves and have a great time with worrying about running the largest economic country in the world. Besides the job don't pay so well. Not the kind of salary that they are use to.

Romney has many motives. I honestly believe that both men take the position of President with total responsibility. But Romney sees life differently than most Americans. I was raised Mormon in his era. I went through 4 years of seminary while going to high school we walked across the street for a class. Almost everyone in the school did. But.... I could not go out as a missionary because I was a female. Women are put in a position of responsibility of taking care of the family. That is why he talks about women as he does. As a woman in the church you are taught to obey your husband. This may seem minor but there are other influences of the church. If you listen to the "47%" video - really listen, he does not care about "all Americans" He and Anne truly believe they are better and the position of being President is one of POWER. I paid 23% FIT and SS tax..... He paid only 14% because of capital gains. He proposes to remove all tax on interest, dividends, capital gains and estates. This only benefits those that have capital wealth... all they do is accumulate more wealth... that is not who invests in business and take the risks and make jobs. If he is elected, I feel sorry for the future unless you happen to have capital wealth.

To answer your question yes I truly believe Romney is for himself and the rich. Its simply called greed. Look at all the record breaking profits during the recession. Yet the poor and middle class suffer. With a position of power he can try to get more tax breaks for the rich. Reason I say more is if you look at Bush's Tax Cuts it gave cuts to the rich. I didn't see any improvement from it, did you.

www.taxpolicycenter.org/briefing-book/background/bush-tax-cuts/ignore.cfm

Have you taken a look in a little depth at Mitt Romney's past.

themoderatevoice.com/131343/mitt-romney-got-filthy-rich-firing-workers-not-creating-jobs/

I think one of the problems is that min. wage is not sufficient for alot of people. What happens when min wage is raised though is the prices of everything else goes up. Do you truly think these company with record breaking profits need to raise price to compensate for a slightly higher min wage? Or Would you say greed?

Now on another note look at the numerous times Mitt has flip flopped. I am not going to say Obama is a saint and that I believe evreything he has said or done is the right thing. However looking at the two I have to say I much rather have Obama in office then someone who may ultimately destroy any chance of recovery and make things a whole lot worse.

Spot on padikit! I would not trust Robme when it come to dealing with foreign powers either, he comes from a position of arrogance, like others should genuflect when he walks into a room or something. All he knows, has ever known is the so-called "upper-class" so his 47% speech was no slip of the tongue. He really believes that! besides, the number, the 47% was too specific. If he was just running his mouth without thinking (which he has done on occasion, just not this one) the number would most likely have been a nice, round number like 50% or something. The when he was outed, he tries the old flip-flop on again saying that he cares about 100% of the people. Sure Mittwit, and I'm Cleopatra, Queen of the Nile! If a man, or woman, does not stand by their own word(s), how can they be trusted at all? I do not trust Robme!

Straight Democratic ticket in 2012!

Actually to vote for either one of these candidates you have plug your nose and close your eyes and take a stab and see which one your stab was closest to then vote for him. I think i would rather see Obama in there than Romney. At least Obama appears to be working for the middle class finally. You have to take Mitts word that he will fight for the middle class. Mitt has lost all creditablity and has backed tracked in his campaign promises when he was Gov. of Mass. So what make you think that this time will be any different if he elected?

MA was glad to be rid of Romney. That's a fact. His record is one for the books. He took the governorship only as a stepping stone, that's how his handlers planned it. Pretty much the same way with bush, no difference in the strategy.

Independent: Money is not enough for the wealthy, the really wealthy. It's the power!! Over the U.S. and then into the Middle East, via Iran, for the oil fields. Power.

I agree, it is all about power. Do you really think that most of these politicians think about what will happen to the younger generation? How this will affect them? I think most of them are only in it for themselves.

Interesting observation. What I saw in Romney was an in-your-face to Prez Obama and another thing, now I know where Tagg gets his anger, never cross Mitt or Tagg - vengeance is mine under their skin. Nasty people.

comment removed by me, the joke was too easy.

"mitt was full of vile"

So you are one of those "do as I say, not as I do" liberals. Eventually you may even become aware of what exists in you that you dislike in others.

Best quote of the night, helping script-writers aside:

After his introduction, Obama asked the crowd to "please take your seats, otherwise Clint Eastwood will yell at them."

But the truth, maybe out of place tonight, always hurts:

"I have my beautiful wife, Ann; he's got Bill Clinton."

Mitt was seething, it was evident he doesn't like it when not in utter control. Probably comes from all that door knocking and slamming from his mission days. I know that's where the frozen smile comes from - they have to learn to put on an act.

joyce - The line of Willard that has me seething is "I have a beautiful partner named Ann and President Obama has Joe Biden"

Sorry you silly facade of a man my President has a beautiful woman named Michelle

How dare he not acknowledge Michelle Obama - and why wasn't that picked up?

I was ready to slap him and contrary to Taggart - he is not the President but a whanna be!

happytimes - Last I looked in Willard's time in the mid-sixties France was about 80% Catholic - I doubt he knocked on many Chateau doors to convert Catholics to Mormonism

He hid out - waiting out the Viet Nam War

By the way - Ann was also busy she was dating someone else at that time and when she found out the guy she was dating wanted to be a Professor at a College - she promptly called her lap dog back

What does a Professor make versus a meal ticket she can groom?

Barbara: Always look forward to your posts. Is it true that on the View Ann told them that Romney was so upset when she told him she was dating another person that he took ill and was hospitalized? Get off my back. He was in the hospital because of the car accident where a person was killed. What's wrong with those people that they can't just tell a truth, anywhere?

FYI: For some of us lucky people there's a rerun of the Daily Show sometime today where Prez Obama appears.

MSNBC Ed Schultz 8p. EDT on the Freeport IL company moving, thanks to Bain, to China, losing 200 jobs.

OBAMA-BIDEN 2012 and a Strong Democratic Congress

Romney - only 16 more days of negative vibes.

Barbara and earthgirl-You don't know a damned thing about the Romneys' personal lives so stop trying to pretend that you do. You make me sick trying to state you know Ann dumped some guy because he didn't make enough money, blah, blah, blah, lie, lie, twist and contort the truth, some more blah, blah, blah. That's what the two you add up to. Grow up and talk about some real issues. OR is it that your lies and BS are all you got because you can't defend Obamas' DISMAL record???

Sorry skrewdworld - So we know nothing anout the Romney's personal life - Well all you have to do is go to the sources

It is true that Ann was dating someone else while Willard was in France because her ex-beau was interviewed and said so

And Willard's car accident in France and a death of a passenger is also well documented

Now in your scewry world how can the right wingers know so much about the Obama's personal life?

They don't, they make it up like looking to buy a $40 Million House in Hawaii which has been totally been debunked yet they go on and on - and oh yes the President was born in Kenya which is a lie ,yet they cling to these lies

So don't tell me I don't know what I post - I do extensive research from many sources - I contrary to your delusional friends don't lie I ABHOR LIARS!

Of course Obama enjoyed himself, he knows his days in office are almost over and he won't have to worry about being impeached anymore. Romney is facing a disaster to clean up after being sworn in, he should be tense.

One word...ridiculous!!

You know pjam I am a registered right leaning independent and I do not see that there is any big mess to clean up other than continuing a course on recovery. Someone else mentioned earlier that it is dolts and clueless right wingers that drive us to the democrats and that is very true. I also intend to vote a straight democratic ticket. Real facts are what matters not invented over interpreted one liners. I am glad that the two candidates can get along and have some fun.

pjam you are truly deluded. Damn I never knew they came so strange.

Thanks pjam09! Thanks to you, that's a few more votes for the rational side of the aisle, appreciate it and keep up the good work!

The only thing missing from Robme's performance tonight was the wink that nutjob Sarah Palin was soooo fond of. He's already got the smirking down pat.

YEP Obama is GREAT at having a GOOD TIME!!! I'm sure he was having a blast in LAS VEGAS instead of hanging in DC and dealing with the deaths of our 4 AMERICANS!!!!!!!!

I'm so glad BO is enjoying hinself (while destroying this country). His new theme song should be...........

"let the good times roll"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

pjam09 - Honestly Obama would never get impeached because he hasn't been THAT bad of a president. There were definitely worse presidents than Obama and most of them never got impeached. I would worry for the country if we just impeached presidents because certain people didn't like them. We would get nowhere! Being president is a hard job for any one person to do by themselves.

blah, blah, blah don't you liberals ever take time off from your hate and crap!

Hate and crap? Coming from a no substance neocon, that's laughable!! The point of the night was for the candidates to poke fun at themselves, but R'money doesn't know how to poke fun at himself! He has all the comedic timing of a contestant on The Gong Show!!

Drew - No. And we won't unless the right wing stops being so deserving of our disdain and disgust.

Well rational and deborah it's very funny how you can't stop yourselves from spewing hate and making stupid assumptions. I voted for your god in 2008 and calling me a no substance neocon how funny! I've got you beat in service to country, service to community and education for sure and you are going to call me names just because you THINK I'm a thoughtless party loyalist like you guys???????? Wow!

Deborah - haha. You are a Democrat, you wouldn't stop if Jesus was the GOP nominee.... its the only thing Democrat sheep do besides cashing welfare checks.'

By deserving of your "disdain" I guess that means not agreeing with you right???????????

At Drew...spoken just like an ignorant pompous, inane GOPer...assuming that you are better than everyone else and thinking that liberal is somehow an insult! At pjam..."cashing welfare checks"? Thanks for proving the true vapidness that permeates the GOP!!

Well irrational, you're the one that called me a neocon with no substance. That opened the door for me to tell you a couple things about me that are of substance. So, don't be jealous and I NEVER think I'm better then someone else I leave that up to the elitist liberals such as yourself.

Again with the assumptions that I'm an elitist liberal like I'm supposed to be insulted! Not a liberal and not a democrat! You were the one who began the insults with your "blah, blah, blah" comment, but like a true GOPer, you lay blame on others without accepting your inadequacies!! Jealous of you? LMFAO!!! "Your level of service to country, your level of service to community, your education"! Self love is the ultimate opiate and you are as high as a kite right now!!

pjam: not just a dem -- a radical lefty liberal 'ol hippie. :) hmmmmm . . . not elite and never been on welfare, although I've spent the last 13 years of my retirement trying to help young women to not go that route (welfare) with training and (hopefully good) advice about respecting and taking care of themselves.

Does anyone else notice these right wing posters here say that they voted for Obama

Look up their names - they have no friends, no followers - they just keep changing their e-mails

And lie, lie, lie

Jesus as a Party of GNOP nominee.........HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! You got any more jokes?

Well obama was untested and gave himself an "incomplete" so I say we test a new one!!!!

Wonder what could have been accomplished had the republican "leaders" not announced 5 minutes after Obama was elected that their only mission would be to keep BO from getting re-elected, NOT "let's save this country and get things moving for THE PEOPLE." Obama hadn't even been sworn it yet!

Whatever happened to guys like Tip O'Neil (dem) who worked hard to get Congress and Reagan to work together, to compromise for the good of THE PEOPLE and THE COUNTRY? That's the main reason Reagan was able to get the country out of the TEN PERCENT UNEMPLOYMENT while he was president. And he didn't even have to deal with the worst financial disaster this country has ever had that affected housing, employment, pensions and everything else.

Things are moving ahead slowly. Why would we want to stop that now and go back to the failed republican policies of the past? Only Romney's policies would be Bush's policies on steroids. Frightening.

The only thing more frightening is the level of hate and distortions that come from the party of tolerance.

@ Drew...hate and distortions? You mean the mantra of the GOP and their drones? Rational members of the electorate are only intolerant of the intolerance of the GOP!!

Really rational. So, it's OK in your mind to make bigoted comments about another person's religion just because YOU deem it's OK. Like I said, elitiest attitude.

Bigoted? LMAO!! So much for your education!! You really should look up the definition of bigotry!! LMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Drew - Oh my god I'm an elitist - my grandmother and grandfather came from Lithuania - had ten children lost one at 6 weeks with pneumonia

Gave two sons to WW11 - one on the Bataan Death March - the other on a PT Boat - yet my mother managed to own and run a beauty shop and put me through Catholic Schools - even though she didn't finish high school - because girls in her generation stepped aside to allow the brothers to graduate

Yet my Mom and her three sisters all have children who graduated college and the uncles who where left all have children who graduated college - my cousin is a VP with Dupont living Austria

And my three children all have graduated college as my two sisters' children - and my son's daughters are college graduates - and my daughters' - two daughters are in college

So Drew I guess we are the so called "elite" or come from many generations who appreciate the value of an educated society - unlike your Republicans who think education is dangerous

ELITE? HOW ABOUT INFORMED?

You realize of course Canada will not allow Fox News be called a "News Station" but Fox Entertainment

"Romney made possibly 2 jokes about himself

Obama made at least 6."

Of course he did, even Obama doesn't respect Obama.

Very well said. You're supposed to poke fun at yourself, not just change the criticisms to witticisms.

Are you people serious?Keeping score on the jokes? Even Katie Couric seemed to enjoy Romney's jokes! You guys need to lighten up and stop getting so bent out of shape every time Romney or Obama open their mouths. You're going to end up with ulcers. Believe it or not there is a life outside of politics. You think politicians spend every waking moment thinking about politics? Romney and Obama know how to relax and have a good time. Maybe you should learn how. Take a look at your post's. They're the saddest jokes of all.

CasAccountant: No, I don't think politicians think only about politics. They think only about politics and money.

Jokes are what you base a persons worthiness to lead a nation on Geowil??? Sheesh!!! Grow up already!

Obama was still in school during Vietnam! He then dedicated his time and effort to helping those less fortunate in Chicago! Meanwhile, Mitt was enjoying the fruits of his father's labor!!

I was going to say that also. Mark doesn't research, only spouts stupid

And president Obama has never paraded around with signs saying he supports any war. Personally, I'd much rather support a president who works for peace than one who wants to start two more wars (which, of course, will benefit his wealthy military industry buddies), even tho the two we already have aren't paid for (and are partially the cause of Bush's recession). And then we'd have to point out that none of his grandkids are serving in those wars.

Mitt gave all of his father's inheritance to charity and I am wondering how Obama helped the less fortunate in Chicago. They seem to still be the less fortunate in Chicago, except for the thug politicians that got wealthy off of their votes. I can't say they got wealthy off of their tax dollars bc most of them pay none, including the politicians from Chicago.

All Obama did as a community organizer was gather his base for votes to destroy our country. ACORN come to mind? Under Obama Chicago will always be less fortunate and many more around the country bc he looks at all of us as just that, the unfortunate.

Are you calling people being fortunate to be out of work, drawing unemployment for years, depending on food stamps, harboring a poor education, and living a life of crime fortunate? If so I guess you are right about Obama, but most of us want more for ourselves, which Romney is offering. Romney was hilarious, but the only sad thing was the fact that all but what he said about himself was true.

@ Pat...Mitt gave all his money to charity? You mean his church, right? Oh, and he just happened to have an extra million of George's money that he set aside for himself!! You should look up Obama's record and his early political career before you make more ignorant comments!!

Mitt really should have given his full accounting of his tax returns... but probably would have been even more of a gap in public opinion as regards him playing games with tax rules. (Off shore/Swiss accounts)

Mark - The problem with Willard is he rallied in support of Viet Nam - then high-tailed it to France

In Willarrd's life he's always wanted it both ways and frankly he always have gotten it both ways

Willard Milton Romney is a bully, he was a bully in high school, he was a bully when he got his fake Patrol Officer's Uniform to bully drivers while in college and he continues to be a bully!

Pat - Where the hell did you get the idea that Willard gave his inheritance to Charity - some right wing fantasy?

While in College - the Romney's cashed in their stock options - Willard's father bought them a house while Willard was at Harvard - all tuitions where paid for

You do realize of course that Ann Romney's frather was also a multi-millionaire

So get off that crap that the Romney's gave away their money and did what start from scratch?

Mark, You are right, Obama didn't serve in the military,but he wasn't a draft dodger either,like Romney. Romney is nothing short of a coward who had to run away to avoid the draft. Why is it ok that I did a tour in Viet Nam while he was hiding in France? Why is it ok that my grandson died in Iraq while his sons are to good to join the military? Romney's problem is he has a medical condition,"no guts".

I agree!! The Mormon church is a fake, RACIST religion just like Willard!!! Willard's grandfather ran to Mexico because he wanted to keep his FIVE WIVES!! His father GEORGE was Born in Mexico and tried but failed miserably to run for President!!!!!

Willard is a fake and a fraud!! His son Taggert should be brought up on charges for threats against the President!!!!!

OHIO HAS ALREADY GONE TO PRESIDENT OBAMA!!!!!!

OBAMA/BIDEN 2012

Iranian Leader Predicts U.S. Collapse

October 19, 2012 by Sam Rolley

UPI

Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said there is a collapse of the “US empire” on the way because of a combination of massive debt and its loss of legitimacy within the international community, according to Iran’s official news agency, IRNA.

“How long can a government with a $16 trillion foreign debt remain a world power?” Ahmadinejad asked at a press conference with Kuwaiti media personnel. “The Americans have injected their paper wealth into the world economy and today the aftermaths and negative effects of their pseudo-wealth have plagued them.”

He went on, “An empire, or a government, remains in power so long as the people under its power support it, but today the Americans have acted in a way that the world nations do not like them at all, and therefore, their international legitimacy is annihilated.”

You brain deads just can't read simple english, can you? He did not ask if the POTUS was in Vietnam. He asked when did the POTUS serve in the military, in response to all of you trashing Romney for not serving in Vietnam.

It's interesting to see the BIGOTRY coming from the Liberals who claim to be the party of tolerance. Just shows what hypocrits they really are.

@ Drew...Bigotry? Maybe you should read about the history of the Mormon religion and it's discrimination against women and minorities! Your ignorance has reached new heights!!

Oooops there we go again. Can't help but through insults and call names like calling me ignorant. Thanks again for proving my point about elitist liberals. So, according to what you say, it's OK to make bigotted comments if you SAY there's justification. Nice!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sorry that you take the word "ignorance" as bigoted!! Maybe you should look up the word "ignorance" too!! LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Before complaining about "low blows" and mormonism - it is an odd cult, google the angel moroni, ideas like the Native Americans are a lost tribe of Jews, that family can be baptized after death, that blacks were "bad" in a prior life, and yes they do have "puckered" special underwear. It's flat out bizarre. And their ward leaders are often untrained and inept. And yes, sadly a number of family members got sucked into that nonsense.

Drew, beware the tolerance of the intolerant. Hypocrisy, Democrat be thy name.

happytimes and "rational" - I am a Mormon. Your statements about Mormonism are false. There was or is no discrimination against women or blacks or any other group of people. Happytimes, your list of scare tactics are also false and meant to mislead. If you really believe these things, then I'm sorry you are so wrong on so many things. And even if they were true, then so what?? Are any of those things hurting you somehow?? Or anyone else for that matter? You probably both believe you are tolerant. Instead your comments are judgmental and arrogant, and funny enough, totally untrue.

I am very happy with my religion and belief in Jesus Christ. It guides me to live the best life I know how. Get over it.

You clowns can't give it a break for one evening can you toadstool.

No, it is the sociopath Mittney, who could not give it a break and behave like a civilized person.

rep1234 - "who could not give it a break and behave like a civilized person."

Apparently you think Biden is Romney... that's ok you'll get it right some day.

Biden was not at the dinner - didn't you listen to Mittneys' second "joke"?

ON BENGHAZI ... what's the TRUTH, where's the TRUTH, how is the TRUTH being avoided by the WH?

President Obama ... please release for the Investigation Committee to review the Consulate Security Tapes !

Yes, everyone .... why is nobody commenting on the 7/24 Consulate Security cameras which are in about 10 locations. And either if a mortar made a direct hit on the compound, the Security camera's split feed via a secure link (internet or dedicated) is captured OFF SITE, somewhere safe and far away ... maybe in Langley.

Obama, your last LIE will be exposed in 18 days ... by design. But the American people already sense you are LYING ... see the latest Gallop Polls .... 52 Mitt 47 Obama. This is not from the 2nd Debate which everyone says Obama WON ... but from the Benghazi dishonesty !

Again with the Benghazi rehash - the ambassador's family already said that he was there despite knowing the dangers, hoping to really make a difference in those people's lives. Were mistakes made? Of course - hindsight is 20/20 - let the Libyans find (arrests were made) and prosecute the killers, as Libyans were devastated by the crime as well.

hrmchan

Right you are. Their blood is on Obama's hands. He refused to give them the proper security they requested. Instead he allowed his terrorist brothers to go in and rape and torture these American citizens and then tried to blame it on a video. He was in a rush to get to Las Vegas so he could appear as a guest on The View and didn't want to be bothered having to play president. This is a situation we should ALL remember and NOT sweep under the rug.

I hope the rest of Obama's life is filled with misery.

Actually, the security asked for was for the Tripoli embassy, Benghazi is a "consulate" hundreds of miles away, so far evidence points to a militant radical muslim group who spontaneously organized 2 hours after the reports of the Egypt attack, based off of the video. They drove up, fired their RPG's and SMG's and took off. I'm no security expert, but those kinds of attacks are tough to stop or even discover before they happen.

But keep on trying to make this a deep political issue, despite the wishes of the family not to politicize death. Romney has no positive foreign policy experience, Obama has a wealth of successful and diplomatic experiences. This is honestly one point of experience you have to give to Obama.

And Rangewolf, you have to realize that Obama will carry more pain and misery for the Americans lost than you will ever know. Your lack of compassion for the families involved and for the role our President plays is embarrassing and childish.

Cynthiawoods: I'm sorry, but I think they are necessary. Although I am not religious, I don't have any qualms about supporting the freedom to practice whatever religion (or none) you want, as long as it's not rammed down anyone's throat and it doesn't violate the tenets of separation of church and state. HOWEVER, the Mormon cult is not a "mainstream" religion -- it's a secret society, racist, sexist and strange, and they're making a concerted effort to take control of local governments. Gov. Romney certainly has every right to practice it, and I have every right to worry about someone who believes such nonsense.

Well Deborah I'm not gay but does that give me the right to make fun of them? According to your post that would be a resounding "yes" but I don't follow by the hypocritical path of the liberals. You say his religion is "strange" I guess that makes you the all knowing authority then.

Deborah, I agree that "religions" that confer on the believers license to abuse the others are cults and should be exposed for what they are.

Religious cults can pose dangers to others. For example, an American President with control of tremendous military power, a weak mind, poor impulse control, and bizarre religious ideation like personally being destined to lead America in nuclear Armageddon against Russia, is a potentially very dangerous religious cultist.

Oh my, Deborah. I am sorry for you. You have no supporting information for your claims. Do some research.

Croaker:

I am a Mormon, and I have never been given any license, approval or encouragement, tacit or otherwise to abuse anyone. Instead, all I ever been asked to show is tolerance and forgiveness. I am encouraged to refrain from vitriolic attacks and defenses. Your opinion matters but my first-hand experience is directly opposite what you describe.

My experience with family sucked into mormonism was NOT tolerance, rather separation - a wedge driven, and disastrous results.

In another situation, not in my family, my counsel to an intelligent young mormon girl - accepted to Brigham Young - was to lie about her intimate involvement with a second boyfriend (not supposed to fool around at all), so her ward leader didn't have to report her - and be potentially barred from BYU. She went, very happy, boyfriend is history, and now she just hangs with the other mormon kids - it's her comfort zone. It's all good - thankfully she never got knocked up, but ridiculous to have to be a hypocrite.

From the LDS site with regard to who can be priests in their world:

In June 1978, President Spencer W. Kimball received a revelation extending priesthood ordination to all worthy males of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (Official Declaration 2). Before that time only worthy male members who were not of black African descent were ordained to the priesthood.

Here's the link: http://www.lds.org/topics/priesthood-ordination-before-1978?lang=eng

I won't go into all the reasons why Mormons have it in for black people , it's easy enough to find that info online and the sanitized version on their own site but one segment of the population that Robme REALLY won't be concerned about is black citizens. The Mormon church only apologized after their "revelation" about black people in order to get into the wider political arena.

This talk of Romney's religion from the same people who say of Obama's MUSLIM faith...'so what if he's Muslim". The hypocracy is rich.

Jimmy Carter threatened to take away their tax exempt status away from them. That's why they changed their policies.

LOOK at the histories of EVERY religion. You can find HATE/INTOLERANCE/BIGOTRY/RACISM/SEXISM ETC. in every single one of them. Just look at the proof of the hate and intolerance in the Muslim faith, led by a pedophile prophet. Get over trying to talk crap about just the Mormon faith.

Get a life.

There we go throwing the word racist around on the same page where liberals are making bigot remards about Romneys religion.

@ Drew...pointing out the Mormon's history of discrimination is not bigotry!! Learn the definition of bigotry! No one is attacking the religion itself just the acts of it's followers who treated, and some continue to treat, women and minorities as subservient!!!

Oh, but you are wrong again. Comments about magic underwear, etc have been all over these posts. I knew a lot of mormon people in the military and they were very patriotic and very good soldiers and people.

drew:

rational, croaker, and Deborah have not done their homework and are all quoting each other--passing their uninformed opinions around like all anti-mormon individuals. Let's leave them alone for they have influence only over weaker minds.

@ Drew & Sumy...so you're saying that in the history of the Mormon church that women and minorities have not been the subjects of discrimination? WOW!! I guess ignorance truly is bliss...LMAO!!!!!!

Yes, I am. In my first-hand experience, there is no such discrimination as you have indicated. If the discrimination were that inherent, as you claim, then surely I would have noticed it, and practiced it. Perhaps you can cite personal experience with this?

I guess now I should follow my own advice and just let it go. Thanks for the information, rational.

From the LDS site with regard to who can be priests in their world:

In June 1978, President Spencer W. Kimball received a revelation extending priesthood ordination to all worthy males of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (Official Declaration 2). Before that time only worthy male members who were not of black African descent were ordained to the priesthood.

Here's the link: http://www.lds.org/topics/priesthood-ordination-before-1978?lang=eng

I won't go into all the reasons why Mormons have it in for black people , it's easy enough to find that info online and the sanitized version on their own site but one segment of the population that Robme REALLY won't be concerned about is black citizens. The Mormon church only apologized after their "revelation" about black people in order to get into the wider political arena.

@ Rational Guy... I do not profess to know much of the Mormon religion but look at AMERICAN history. Do you think WE didn't discriminate against women and blacks?

POST #23. Tske a real good look at what you just said.Hippocrite!

Pure inanity at it's best!!