Obama = 99

Romney = 1

CNN POLL

Rombot the cult leader was spanked!!

Poll: This is it: Who won?

Obama by a lot (48%)

Romney by a lot (19%)

Obama by a little (16%)

Romney by a little (18%)

I saw the poll, and your version of it was wrong Obama 46% romney 39% as to who won. keep making up your own truths!

Obama won the debate, Romney won the arguments!

Except for Libya, and he will win that argument on Monday!

Obama spanked Romney tonight! In fact, Romney needed the president's help, just to make some points he was working hard on. Unfortunately for Romney, those points all made him seem even more out of touch with the average American.

" What's that you say Mr. Romney about immigration? Blind trust, investments in China, pension funds....where are you going Mr. Romney....you seem to be running away from the question about immigration. Come back here Mr. Romney, the President would like to clarify what you really meant to say!"

Isn’t it funny how the CNN Poll interviewed the pollsters with more Republicans in the survey to come up with their conclusions in the poll numbers? Romney keeps mentioning his 5 Point Plan, but never gives any of the details on the 5 Point Plan. How come Romney is not pinned down for avoiding his plan? Just like his taxes !! Finally, he got caught with his pants down over his lying and manipulation in front of National TV. Do you really think Romney would be any different if ever elected?? LOL!!!!

"A lack of civility" SURE! The President showed civility last time, and everybody thought that he was a woose!

The H*** with civility. The Republicans ONLY understand BULLYING!!!!

The score is now Obama/Biden 2, Romney/Ryan 1.

Hard core Republican posters: You should look up the number for the suicide hotline in your area and tape it to your phone. You may need it in 29 days.

Independent Thinker - I agree with your comment on details on this 5 point plan. Romney keeps saying he will create all these jobs, but do we really know how. Seems to me it is just political pandering to the voter. Neither one of these guys will fix the economy unless the Congress cooperates with them or takes some action on it's own.

I did enjoy the moment when Obama told Romney and the Republicans to quit politicizing the death of American diplomats. Priceless and so true. It really disturbs me how ugly our country is on the inside, and it took the election of a African American president to expose it.

The choice between these two is a classic case of "Pick Your Poison"

I heard Romney talk about the things he would cut to help the tax cuts with his "bucket"

- use you mortgage deduction---My house was foreclosed

- interest on savings/investments--I am too poor to have any of those

I am not sure he gets it -- the middle class, those who have been poor all their life

I heard President Obama say 5 million jobs created:

- there are still 23 million unemployed, including ME! I had to take early SS retirement!

- the recent COLA for SS at 1.7% is a joke I get an extra $30/mo when my gas bill has increased $10; groceries $15; healthcare $20 and there is more but that is the big 3.

No one gets it... Not these 2.

There is much more to the Benghazi attack than is apparent on the surface. For the first few weeks following the attack, the Obama administration confidently stated over and over and over that it was about a Youtube video. Consider the fact that there was no timeliness to the supposed reaction by the Muslim world to the video. Not only had this particular ridiculously-produced video had been on Youtube for months prior to the fateful September 11 attack, if you really care to know, you may discover that at any given time there are myriad such videos on Youtube, and have been for years. Not only is the Youtube video "explanation" ridiculous, if you think about its use by both the Muslim radicals AND the Obama admonition, you realize that this is a case of the Muslim terrorists having purposely searched Youtube for such a video PRIOR to their act of terror for the express purpose of catering to a bizarre psychological weakness that these terrorists shrewdly detect in the President of the United States.

The anti-American violence in the Muslim world is tragically facilitated by Obama's psychology. For whatever reason, Barack Obama feels an unnatural compulsion to protect Islam from perceived "insults". We saw this in his attempts to intercede on behalf of the planners of the so-called "Ground Zero Mosque" near the site of what was the World Trade Center, and we see it in the many comments he has made to the Islamic world and to Americans. Unfortunately, those Islamic leaders intent on harming us are smarter than we generally think they are, and they have shrewdly developed strategies to utilize Obama's emotional vulnerability for this purpose, thus they invented the Youtube video pretext specifically to appeal to Obama's vulnerability and Obama himself is unfortunately only too eager to be played in this manner. The denial of necessary security to the Benghazi compound is directly related to this "Obama Doctrine", which is intent on convincing the world that America trusts the good intentions of Islam.

There's no doubt in my mind that Obama is doing this because he has the good intentions of promoting one of the world's major religions (Islam) as benevolent. He himself is not a Muslim, but he has this psychological need. In the process of acting upon his "good intentions", his doctrine makes Americans vulnerable, and he mounts a bizarre cover-up to the September 11 Islamic celebratory attacks against Americans. We haven't seen even the tip of the iceberg on this. If the "Obama Doctrine" is successful, Iran could (God forbid) be celebrating future September 11's in an even bigger way.

Can you repeat that, Candy?

Let's look a little closer at the timeline behind this Youtube video "explanation".

In May, 2012, Tunisian cleric Mokhtar Jebali led a demonstration in Tunis at which thousands of Tunisian fanatics chanted "Obama, Obama, we are all Osama". During that speech, Jebali repeatedly referred to the United States President as "Obama the Ape".

In June, 2012, Mokhtar Jebali was again leading a demonstration in Tunis. This time he was ranting about an anti-Islamic video. The thing is that IT WAS A DIFFERENT VIDEO THAN THE ONE ULTIMATELY USED AS A PRETEXT FOR THE SUBSEQUENT SEPTEMBER 11 VIOLENCE. The video that Jebali was condemning at that rally was made by someone named Jalel Brick, and it may be that this video was ultimately unsuitable for Jebali's purposes because Jalel Brick does not have any connection to the United States.

It's interesting that the subsequent Benghazi attack is now being reportedly traced to Tunisians. But my question is, if I could come up with this information with a few key-strokes of my computer (as anybody else can, if really interested in these facts) why did the Obama administration persist with the insane Youtube video pretext for weeks? The only explanation is that the Youtube video explanation fits in with Obama's sadly distorted perception of reality.

Prior to stepping into the voting booth on election day, for people who ask themselves the question, "are we better off today than we were four years ago," I hope they don't have a short-term memory. For those of us who are working now, certainly our chances of losing our job has gone down since the winter of 2008. For those who are not working, certainly the prospects of finding decent work has improved - maybe not as much as we would like, but it has improved. 2008 was a disaster. It wasn't all the Bush Adminstration's fault, it was the culmination of decades of irresponsible behavoir by many politicians, appointed representatives, business people and investors alike, but the Bush Administration surely didn't help. Considering the magnitude of the problem Obama inherited, I think he's done remarkably well, it spite of the fact that the primary goal of leaders on the other side, from day one, was assuring that he wouldn't be re-elected.

For the people who like Mitt Romney's ideas, I present the Romney tax plan. See the below link:

http://www.romneytaxplan.com/

The 1%ers!!!! The "comparison between Romney and Bush!

Interesting read for you 47%ers who are going to vote for Romney:

"In their eyes, the economic top 1% of Americans are the ones who count. Investors and their inheritors are favored — a good explanation of why George W. Bush has cut taxes on both dividends and estates, where most of the benefit goes to the top 1%."

"Debt and deficits: Whenever a Bush is president, private debt and government deficits seem to grow. Middle- and low-income Americans borrow to offset the income squeeze of recessions. The hallmark of Bush economics during both presidencies has been favoritism toward capital over workers. Federal budget deficits have soared because of a combination of upper-bracket tax favors, middle-income job shrinkage, big federal spending to hype election-year economic growth, huge defense outlays and overseas military spending for the wars in Iraq and elsewhere. Imperial hubris costs a lot of money."

http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0208-05.htm

I'm sure the Obama haters will cry, oh, that's from a left-leaning rag! Doesn't matter, get over where it's from and understand it it loaded with FACTS Obama haters don't want you to know. Even the first paragraph plays right into the hands of Romney's disrespectful 47% comment.

OBAMA/BIDEN....2012!!!!

Obama definitely came out more energized than the first debate. But did he do enough to be considered a clear cut winner? NO. There were some issues discussed where I believe Obama did win. There were issues that I believe Romney won. Obama probably gets the edge on the overall debate. But except for the staunch Obama supports, the issue on the Libyan embassy attack did harm to Obama. He once again lied to the American people. During his address in the Rose Garden the day after the attack, he did make reference to terror. But it was made in generic terms - read the transcripts. For two weeks after the attack, he continously - even in front of the UN Assembly - blamed it on the movie. It was a well know fact during this time that it was a planned attack by terrorist. Even members of his own administration were saying that. The president continued to lie to the American people for two weeks, and he lied to us again last night. And he blames Romney for politicizing the attack, when he himself has politicized it to safe face for his weak foreign policies. For this, I don't care how strongly Obama may have won the debate. Standing in front of a camera and lying to the American people is inexcusable. I will not now, nor will I in the future support a president who so boldly lies to the the citizens of this county.

Gee, did you libs watch the same debate that I did? I mean, Obama won,really????? Now that's some wishful thinking. Barry continually blew his cool every time Mitt brought up yet another 2008 campaign promise that the Great Inept One has failed to keep. As for the media giving the "edge" to Obama, well they have to if they want to keep their jobs.

Romney still just points fingers and never comes up with specifics to define his leadership. The American people DEMAND a plan Romney, we want specifics!!!

Hope is gone,

This is what Obama said in the Rose Garden the day after the attack:

No acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this great nation, alter that character, or eclipse the light of the values that we stand for. Today we mourn four more Americans who represent the very best of the United States of America. We will not waver in our commitment to see that justice is done for this terrible act. And make no mistake, justice will be done.

Who only hears what he wants to hear?

Spider,

Yes, I watched the same debate, and Obama smoked Romney last night.

You can believe what you want, and 30% of people think what you think, so you're not alone, but on the face of it, Obama was the winner--polls, pundits, facts, body language, disappearance of Republican pundits (and Romney) after the debate--all very clear.

Hey, I admit Obama sucked in the debate two weeks ago, but this time, he definitely won. I'd even admit that he didn't win "as big" as Romney did last time, but that doesn't negate the fact that he won last night.

I know I'm happy about it, and if that's true, it's true for a lot of us "libtards" out here in the real world.

Cheers!

Romney once again etch-a-sketched his tax plan. Romney doesn't even attempt to explain how he plans to pay for his tax cut plan, but only says "trust me, I know how to create jobs". But, his record as Governor of Massachusetts tells a different story.

According to nonpartisan Massachusetts Budget and Policy Center's Sept 6, 2006 report on job creation in Romney's first 2.5 years as Governor of Massachusetts:

-Romney had the slowest rate of job creation in aftermath of recession (200,000 jobs lost) in the state's recorded history.

-Romney ranked 43rd in job creation.

-Romney ranked last in raising the median wage of workers.

Clearly, Romney's record as a job creator in Massachusetts was pretty lousy.

For all you Libebrals who talk about Romney's tax plan, what exactly is Obama's other than to raise taxes and spend more money we don't have? Where is a legitimate budget from the Democrats? At least the Republicans do have a plan to TRY and balance the budget.

Also, what about those offshore investments our President seemed ticked that Romney knew about?

Obama won CNN's poll 45 to 39%, but more importantly, the sample was 8% higher in Republicans! If the sample were representative of the population (about equal Dem & Repub), Obama's win would have been even more pronounced. Clearly the independents favored Obama in last night's match-up.

And for the record, Mr. Romney, I have a very close relative who benefited from the educational incentives you spoke about. Romney claims those who score in the upper 25th percent on MA. standardized achievement test get free tuition to state schools. Actually, as soon as this bill passed, MA state schools shifted almost all their income from tuition to student fees, so that people who "won" this award would see only a minimal benefit. Its a great sound byte, but you're no champion of education Mr. Romney.

!1.0-Number one issue with America: It IS the Plutonomy :

Everyone who knows or learned in college Economics that the rich get richer and the poor get screwed check this out- it is called the Plutonomy reports issued by citibank to certain shareholders first in 2005, the second in 2006. I downloaded the pdf since it is difficult to find it online.

http://rwer.wordpress.com/2010/11/11/citigroup-attempts-to-disappear-its-plutonomy-report-2/

Key segment:

Back in October, we coined the term ‘Plutonomy’ (The Global Investigator, Plutonomy: Buying Luxury, Explaining Global Imbalances, October 14 2005). Our thesis is that the rich are the dominant drivers of demand in many economies around the world (the US, UK, Canada and Australia). These economies have seen the rich take an increasing share of income and wealth over the last 20 years, to the extent that the rich now dominate income, wealth and spending in these countries. snip........

Indeed, David Gordon and Ian Dew-Becker of the NBER demonstrate that the top 10%, particularly the top 1% of the US – the plutonomists in our parlance – have benefited disproportionately from the recent productivity surge in the US.

The bold inside of the quotes is my emphasis.

'Today' poll has Obama 64% mitt 35%.

Clearly Obama cleaned mitt's clock, then wiped the floor with him, then flushed him and his lies down the toilet

mitt isn't ready, and won't ever be President of our great nation. Stupid is too dangerous a condition to give power to.

#1.20= Standing in front of a camera and lying to the American people is inexcusable. I will not now, nor will I in the future support a president who so boldly lies to the the citizens of this county.

So I would suppose you will not be able to vote for Mitt Romeny since in the first debate he told 27 lies in 38 minutes!

http://opovet.blogspot.com/2012/10/27-lies-in-38-minutes.html

http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2012/10/04/958801/at-last-nights-debate-romney-told-27-myths-in-38-minutes/?mobile=nc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mlgekPB8Kok

So, From what you wrote, I guess your choices are Gary Johnson (Libertarian Party) or Jill Stein (Green Party). Good luck with that!

as a right leaning independent -- dude both these guys are bunch of two faced liars.... why cant we ever get a straight answer ??....

Both sides are going to call this for themselves. Here are a few moments that caught my attention:

1. "Investments"- When Romney called out the President for having parallel invenstments as Romney himself, the President said, "I don't check mine as often. Mine isn't a big as yours" (semi-paraphrased). What I thought was interesting is two things- Firstly I'd venture to say that most "middle-class" Americans do the exact opposite of the President, while their investments are far smaller than his or Romneys. Every month many of us watch our statements and say, "How the hell am I going to invest to get ahead and have the potential of covering my costs down the road/now." So I'd say that those will less actually worry/watch our accounts much more than those whom don't have to care if they loose a thousand a month. Secondly, the "not as big as yours" comment made me think wealth envy. To me part of the American dream is getting payback for your efforts and risks, so if you invest your family's time, money, efforts in a business that turns into a major company I'm just fine with you having a lot of money and doing what you want with it.

2. "Energy"- I was struck in the President's touting clean coal and the state of energy, while there is video of him clearly stating that "you can build a coal fired plant...... but you'll go bankrupt trying"(also semi-paraphrasing). The regulation passed during the Obama presidency has caused the shutdown of 100 of our 500 coal plants (which in total produce about 39% of our country's energy). The real issue with those regulations is the speed to enact them. The Obama administration requird two different new regulations and required that plants implement them within 2-3 years. Anyone understanding the energy industry realizes that you have to have environmental impact studies, a massive design team, actually get the federal permits, state permits, etc. so that timeline was a bust from day one.

3. "Gas"- Stephen Chu (DOE Secretary) once was published at Berkley saying that gas needs to be $9-10 a gallon. He's running the show at the DOE now and it's doubled so far. Just saying.....

Obama, needed that fat a$$ moderator on his side. Obama, looked like he was running for his first election. He fails to understand he's running on his failures as President the last four years. Romney, makes the President look like a domestic servant.

Romney/Ryan 2012

Blame the moderator! Hah.

Those who said that Romney's "plan" is better than Obama's plan...please let us all know exactly what that "plan" is and how it will do better than our current situation...seems like a lot of chatter about what Romney would do better yet all the policy analysts don't know what Romney's "plan" is...oh wait, he'll let us all know after the election...

What is the stain on Obama's "record" that can only be attributable to his policies...last time I checked, the stock market was in the gutter when he took office (about 5k, now its 13k), large corporations (the same ones who are betting against him) are making record profits...when he took office, were you comfortable about your investment portfolio? Doubt it...its a lot more secure today than ever before. Also, Romney's plan is no different that GWB's...its obvious at this point since Romney couldn't answer it...emphasis on small business as opposed to big corporations? really? he has no interest in small business, only large corporations that make billions...

BTW, Obama swept the floor with Romney's hair...anybody who says otherwise is kidding themselves...Romney looked petty when he kept talking about the details of the Benghazi incident well after he lost the substance of the question asked and the issue that was being discussed.
"This is not what we do..." Translation: If you truly are presidential material, there are some things that are beyond politics...there are some things that should never be politicized." Obama took Romney to school on this.

Us Americans have short memories and love to learn things the hard way...we need to feel a lot of pain before we make the changes we need...If Romney is president, you will feel that pain again and you will know that you contributed to it on Nov 6.

Poison is a great name for you....

Romney, makes the President look like a domestic servant.

No, Romney acts like the President is a domestic servant. (and it's not working)

Boy there are a lot of numbers and opinions being tossed about this morning, especially regarding the CNN Poll conducted right after last nights debate.

So let's take a look at that poll: (Based on the pool of 457)

Who won the "Showdown": Obama = 46% Romney = 39%

Who exceeded expectations: Obama = 73% Romney = 37%

Who was more likable: Obama = 47% Romney = 41%

ALL to Obama's benefit!!!

Who is better to handle the economy, taxes and the budget: Romney = 49% Obama = 35%

Who seemed to be stronger LEADER: Romney = 49% Obama = 46%

Who answered the questions more directly: Romney = 45% Obama = 43%

ALL to Romney's benefit.

So I think it can be concluded that Obama WON the Debate if playing to your base is the goal. Romney WON the debate if trying to persuade "undecided" voters. At this point in the campaign, I think the "undecided" vote is more important in moving the overall poll numbers...thus I would have to conclude that Romney will have a better outcome from the debate than Obama.

Most "undecided" voters aren't going to cast their vote for the most likable guy...but rather for the guy they see as a better LEADER and one they believe has a better grasp on how to get this economy moving in the right direction faster, who will put dollars in their pockets, who will help them find work faster - this CNN poll and almost ALL others so that trend leaning Romney.

FYI: The CNN poll last night ends with this: "The sample of debate-watchers in this poll was 33% Democratic and 33% Republican."

"That indicates that the sample of debate watchers is about eight points more Republican than polls taken among all Americans throughout 2012, so the debate audience was more Republican than the general public," added Holland."

And yet the most recent registration numbers DO NOT support this claim.

As of September 30, 2012:

Registered Democrats = 34.2%

Register Republicans = 36.8%

Registered Independents = 29.0%

'Today' poll has Obama 64% mitt 35%.

Because they are so biased. Please, if somehow you think that bozo won your a moron. He LIED about libya plain and simple and the fact is his policies dont work. His plan is to add 100k teachers to fill 24 million jobs. Saying your opponets strategy wont work without offering solutions is not winning. You defenders have no excuses come 11-6

Coal produces massive green house gases. None of the coal burning/electric plants were willing to spend the money to fix the issue. Most of us are tired of triple digit temperatures, why add to the blanket of CO2 gas above us with coal plants unwilling to fix the issues?

FYI: The CNN poll last night ends with this: "The sample of debate-watchers in this poll was 33% Democratic and 33% Republican."

"That indicates that the sample of debate watchers is about eight points more Republican than polls taken among all Americans throughout 2012, so the debate audience was more Republican than the general public," added Holland."

More proof that cnn and other left leaning pollsters have been LYING about the true numbers. They claim that repubs had advantage when it was even polling ...how funny

SoSad,

Exactly right, Romney yet again does not explain HOW his tax plan could POSSIBLY be revenue neutral without cutting into the middle class.

He said something about a "deduction bucket" that would be capped at $25,000 (or something???--on the today show this morning Ryan said or Matt maybe also mentioned $17,000 and $50,000). That's a pretty wide range! $17,000 is going to hit the middle class, I tell you what! Like most middle class people, I have children, pay a mortgage, pay state taxes, and have charitable deductions. Those add up to a LOT more than $17,000, and if I don't get those anymore, guess what? That's a TAX INCREASE.

I saw an intelligent adult last night in the form of the President being taken on by a lackwit child that is also such a pathological liar that I truly believe his first words (and every single one thereafter) was a lie in the form of the Oligarch. I am glad Romney's parents aren't around to see this, as his father and mother both were honest people who opposed the Conservative movement in the GOP. Sadly, I suspect they now are spinning in their graves. By Romney's own definition of the 47%, his parents would have fallen into that group, as they benefited from the Social Net the US has. His own father received what people call today "welfare".

Repeating his anti-US worker stance that Detroit (the auto industry) should have been allowed to fail, shows a deep seated hatred of honest working-class people, and a disdain for the economy of the US, which he may be able to turn his back upon, as his money and investments (thus income) resides elsewhere, but 99% of the US population can only rely upon the US economy.

As for Libya, Romney once again proved his inability to understand foreign affairs any better than domestic ones. It doesn't take a whole lot of study to understand the complexity that exists in the Muslim world, and no blanket statement nor policy can or will apply to any given country or situation.

On all points of what is needed to be President, Romney fails, and epicly so at that. Sorry, but that type of President was tried a number of times, most recently in the form of Bush Jr, and it was an unmitigated failure that resulted in untold deaths and the near bankruptcy of this country, plus most of the Administration guilty of War Crimes. A step back toward that is not only the very definition of insanity itself, but also the purest form of evil imaginable.

Joe NY you are right about your points, they were very interesting. Obama never answers a question he just spins around it. He did not answer the question about new permits, he just spun the answer. He never answered the question about why the security was denied in Libya, he just spoke about how he is going to find out who did it and that it will not happed again. That is not an answer. He did not answer the question about his investments, just said he does not look at them. That is pretty stupid to say you don't look at them. I guess he doesn't look at the deficit either!

DA BOSS IS BACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Obama/Biden 2012

Nice work Mr. President.

Tariffs on goods coming in from China Romney causes inflation on the average American.

LMAO Just as predicted and right on cue all the right wing whiners are here with all their excuses. You guys/gals are so predictable.

Celtic Pagan I guess you think it is OK to be lied to. It is clear, we are being lied to about Libya. How can a president say that he called it a terror attack when he did not. He used the generic phrase of terror in the Rose Garden, he was not talking about a specific terror attack in Benghazi. He was trying to make us believe it was a video. If he knew it was terror then why did he promote the video response to the entire world by mentioning it 6 times at the United Nations. That was weeks later. He knew it was not the video, he knew it was a terror attack, and he still chose to blame the video. He sinking deeper and deeper into the quicksand by continuing to lie to the American people. If you cannot see that, too bad for you. Obama is a liar, plain and simple. It has nothing to do with the complexity of the Muslim world.

Oil Shark

Obama did not lie about Libya. He said he called it an act of terror in Rose Garden speech following the attack. Romney said he didn't say that. Obama said he did and Crowley sais Obama called it an act of terror.

Romney got caught in his lie and true to Romney apologist form, you contend the opposite of the truth here. Romney lied, Obama didn't. Plain and simple.

Just watch the video of Obama's Rose Garden speech as I have. Obama's first words "This act of terror..."

OBAMA 2012

HopeisGone,

"Candy Crowley now says: "Romney Was Actually Right on Libya"?????? She should be fired!!"

Romney really stepped on his own schwanz when he tried to tell the audience that Obama did not make it known to the public for two weeks after the attack that the attack on the embassy in Libya was an act of terrorism, and Obama corrected Romney and told him he had announced that it was an act of terrorism the next day in a speech in the Rose Garden. When Romney tried to insist that Obama was a liar, it was the moderator who intervened and said the President was, in fact, right. That really made Romney look stupid in front of everyone. Obama really did a great job of pointing out Romney's lies last night!

I don't think Romney will be good for the country, and believe we would be in another war within six months and another 5 trillion in debt in four years if he won.

And for those who think the President is a god would do well to remember a forty percent approval rating last summer and a sixty percent strongly disapprove. He hasn't changed, though apparently people have very short memories about how @!$%#ed up our country is. 16 trillion, give me a break.

Gary Johnson 2012

ED-2874315

Please keep your hotline number.. You libturds will need it come November.. The fact that the press is calling it a win for Obama because of the question in the debate about Libya is hilarious, considering the President himself lied during questioning on that same issue..

The President also dodged questions about the economy and other failed practices during his last four years.. Yes, Bush sucked.. Even we Republicans know that, but, to ask us to give your failed Democratic President another four years to further cripple the economy is NOT going to happen.. I think the "sane" American public has the same idea. One and done, if you FAIL.. The Independent voters aren't blind to this either.. I think your twisted polls and blind faith is all you'll have for comfort.. An empty suit is an empty suit..

"DA BOSS IS BACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

It's good to see all of the supposed money Obama is putting toward better education is working so well (sarcasm intended)..

Mitt the bully couldn't talk over the moderator and keep rambling as he did in the first debate. He couldn't stay on topic, but he did ramble about his talking points even when they had nothing to do with the question. He was still the arrogant, snide, hyperactive bully insisting he needed more and more time to explain, but each time the moderator allowed him to continue it went all over the map.

And to address many Republican cheers about how he bested O on specifics, not in a million years. He keeps saying things but that doesn't make them true, any more than when Rush spouts some nonsense and everyone gets in an uproar about how Dems or O are taking the country down the path to socialism. Mitt has a serious personality disorder with all his twitching, smirking, jerking, and narcissistic need to make it all about what he wants to tell us even when there's no specifics. He really did come off as a high school bully in the first debate, and tried last night, but couldn't succeed with a strong woman as moderator. When Mitt can't ignore the moderator, he's toast, since if he can't always get the last word, he loses big.

People keep saying that Romney hasn't presented his plan yet. This is not true. He has presented his 5 points of the plan. At least he's presented the plan overview. Obama hasn't even done that. Where is Obama's plan. He keeps saying we need to stay true to the course we are taking. That is hardly a plan. Where are the details of his so called plan? If staying on course is his plan, then his plan is leading this country to economic disaster. His plan will only lead to millions more Americans dependent on the goverment. That's has been the plan of the democratic leadership all along. So if you want to be lazy and let the government take care of you...vote for Obama. If you want to better yourself and maximize your potential, it's a clear cut vote for Romney. When you cast your vote in 3 weeks, remember that and decide what kind of person you are and want to be.

Thank you shaak322 you are correct and to prove you are correct.

Any Morron can pull up the video which is the day after the attack and hear the President of the United States Barack Obama clearly state "A terrioist attack" period. End of story.

Imagine if Kerry tried to use 911 for political gains.

Now Mittwitt is trying to use it as a political gain. What a disgrace he is to this country and what a disgrace for the people who are voting for him.

Romney will make a GREAT USED CAR SALESMAN when President Obama wins re-election!!!

Solutions539- The problem is that the story hasn't ended. Yes the President referenced terrorism in a sentance the day after the attack, BUT then went weeks saying that it was a response to a video. Remember that he went before the UN stating that, the administration sent out their UN representative to the shows saying as much, and continued (until yesterday) in passing around "we don't know yet". Then Hillary came out taking the blame, to which the President took that away last night (but didn't say that for weeks)?!? It just seems clear that the President and administration don't know how to coordinate their positions and present them accurately- that's what is keeping the story alive.

We now know that there was a drone sending back video of the attack, that there were security requests, the State Dept. was on alert of a growing Al Queda presence in Libya and a growing threat of attacks around 9/11, and the the State Dept. was sitting on $100M that was earmarked for embassy support. So if they knew the threat level was going up, they didn't deal with it. They watched the video of the attack and couldn't figure out that it was a coordinated attack by about 400 fighers. I'm no military guy, but I think it would be pretty clear that it was unusual if I was watching it happen.

Harry 1952 #1.53- Thank you for asking!

FROM: http://www.barackobama.com/issues?source=primary-nav

President Obama has a plan to grow the economy from the middle class out, not the top down. We can't just cut our way to prosperity, and we can’t go back to the same failed policies that caused the economic crisis and punished middle-class families.

And this plan has six real points, one more than Romney's fake 5 points:

Innovation: Create the jobs of tomorrow here at home+

President Obama is investing in education, research and technology to grow the economy for the long term.

Manufacturing is an essential building block of our economy because it sparks innovation, generates higher-wage jobs, and strengthens entire communities. After declining for over a decade, the manufacturing sector has rebounded – led by President Obama’s rescue of the auto industry– and created half a million manufacturing jobs over the past 30 months. To build on this recovery, President Obama set a goal to create 1 million new manufacturing jobs by the end of 2016 and is working to double American exports over the next five years by promoting U.S. goods and removing trade barriers, expanding access to credit, and promoting strong growth.

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Taxes: Reform the tax code to create jobs and pay down our deficit +

President Obama cut taxes for every American worker and provided 18 tax cuts for small businesses to help them weather the recession. Now, he’s calling on millionaires and billionaires to pay a little bit more so that we can pay down our debt in a balanced way.

The President has put forward a specific, balanced plan of spending cuts and revenue increases that reduces the deficit by more than $4 trillion over the next decade, including $1 trillion in spending cuts he signed into law last summer as part of a deal with Congressional Republicans. His plan includes $2.50 in spending cuts for every dollar in revenue increases, while bringing annual domestic spending as a share of the economy to its lowest level in 50 years.

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Nation-building at home: End wars and rebuild America+

President Obama responsibly ended the war in Iraq and will end the war in Afghanistan in 2014—now is the time to rebuild America. The President’s plan uses half the money we’re no longer spending on war to put Americans back to work rebuilding road, bridges, runways and schools here at home and uses the other half to help pay down the debt.

While other nations are vastly outspending us on their infrastructure, American businesses are saddled with crumbling roads and bridges. The President is working to get rid of pet projects, government boondoggles, and bridges to nowhere. And he has proposed a new independent fund that will attract private dollars and issue loans for new construction projects based on: how badly are they needed, and how much good will they do for the economy.

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Energy: Invest in clean energy made here in America+

By ending government subsidies for oil companies and investing in cleaner sources, we can become a global leader in clean energy, creating American jobs and businesses while improving our environment and national security.

An unprecedented boom in domestic production has led to cheaper natural gas, and President Obama will take every possible action to safely develop this abundant source of American energy to support more than 600,000 jobs by the end of the decade. U.S. oil production is at a 14-year high and President Obama has charted a course to cut net oil imports in half between 2008 and 2020, lowering imports by 5.5 million barrels per day and reducing our reliance on foreign oil to its lowest level in almost three decades.

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Education: Lead the world in college graduates by 2020+

Education is the surest path to the middle class. President Obama is making historic investments in education to create opportunity for all Americans.

To help students better afford a college education, President Obama ended billions in subsidies wasted on banks and used the savings to double investments in Pell Grants. He established a college tax credit for students and their families worth up to $10,000 over four years of college. He set a goal to lead the world in college graduates by 2020, and cut the growth of college tuition and fees in half over the next 10 years, a goal that will save the typical student thousands of dollars a year, and proposed bringing together community colleges and businesses to train 2 million Americans for good jobs that actually exist now and are waiting to be filled.

There is no substitute for a great teacher. President Obama is fighting to help state and local governments save the jobs of hundreds of thousands of teachers and to provide states with resources to reward and attract great teachers while taking strides to improve teacher effectiveness. And he has set a goal to recruit and prepare 100,000 math and science teachers so we can out-compete countries in fields like science, technology, engineering, and math (STEM).

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Health Care: Expanding access and lowering costs for families

Hey, put that cat back in the bag it came from.

Romney and his cronies want to make it appear as though the President wants to do some kind of Robin Hood BS, take from the rich and give to the poor...redistribute the wealth. But if I am not mistaken, President Obama did mention we should let the Bush Tax Cuts for the wealthy expire and at the same time acknowledged some cuts would have to be made to balance the budget. Why does the right keep telling half truths?

obama is a coward. He intentionally waited to very last minute to drop the remark in, dropping it in at the last moment to ensure he did not have to actually debate it.

#1.60- and Romney is a stooge. His final comments toward the last question:

(Hi, Governor. I think this is a tough question. To each of you. What do you believe is the biggest misperception that the American people have about you as a man and a candidate? Using specific examples, can you take this opportunity to debunk that misperception and set us straight?)

spent about 15 seconds answering the question:

(In the nature of a campaign, it seems that some campaigns are focused on attacking a person rather than prescribing their own future and the things they'd like to do. In the course of that, I think the president's campaign has tried to characterize me as -- as someone who's very different than who I am.

I care about 100 percent of the American people. I want 100 percent of the American people to have a bright and prosperous future. I care about our kids. I understand what it takes to make a bright and prosperous future for America again. I spent my life in the private sector, not in government. I'm a guy who wants to help with the experience I have, the American people.)

then about 3 minutes using almost exactly the same words he used from his closing comments in debate #1. Translated to: God, Olymics, balanced budget, tax cuts for the wealthy, and "reforms" to Medicare and Social Security!

What we really need is another Republican President who advocates for the dissolution of the social safety net which helped to "raise all boats" for the better half of the 20th century.

obama is a coward. He intentionally waited to very last minute to drop the remark in, dropping it in at the last moment to ensure he did not have to actually debate it.

This doesn't subscribe to the definition of "coward." What exactly did President Obama fear?

9-11 happened under GEORGIE BOYS watch...NEVER FORGET!!!

And obama never answered the question that was asked of him.

"Who exactly made the decision not to send additional security and why?"

obama gave some answer about getting to the bottom of it and finding out while pointing his finger, but never answered the question.

You and I can and will disagree on who answered what and how, it is human nature that we not always see eye to eye or even understand someone else's direction, position or support reasoning. I do know that we do not need another four years of what we just had and many, many others know this as well. And continually blaming someone else is a poor excuse for lack of leadership. Let me ask you, how long do you think you would last coming into a new job and continue blaming your predecessor? Typically that is tolerated for a few months, after that you are expected to step up and take responsibility. No other president has continually blamed someone else throughout there entire time in office, so why are so many of you ok with it now?

#1.64 President Obama did not directly answer that question, I noticed that as well. However, he DID take responsibilty, he said the Secratary of state works for him and he takes full responsibility.

Furthermore:

It is somewhat amazing that the hard core Romney supporters and/or paid RNC shills do not ever speak about the "division of labor" (Adam Smith anyone?) within the Executive branch. My amazement is that those same supporters tend to claim, Romney was a CEO, and is a businessman and should know how to run this country like a corporation.( Never mind the U.S. government is not/was not EVER designed BY THE FOUNDERS to be a corporation) If so, why don't the Romney supporters mention that Clinton as SOS, SHOULD have responsibility for her office(s) and the types of employees or security for them as she would if she were CFO, or COO of a corporation where Obama would be the CEO?

Sure, she/they (State Dept) needs to communicate with the President and keep him briefed, BUT how would Obama making the day to day decisions for the SOS look to the very same critics? As I see it, this is a POLITICAL d***ed if you do, d***ed if you don't type of issue as far as President Obama and Hillary Clinton are concerned. It doesn't impact their ACTUAL work or job performance, just the political outlook of OTHERS re their job performance

I consider myself an independent voter, but going back to the Reagan days and with the only exception having been Perot, I’ve always voted Republican. But 2-months ago, I wouldn't have even considered voting for Romney. But after the last two debates and especially after he finally talked about using tariffs to level the playing field and bring jobs back home, I'm considering him more seriously. It was good to see them both finally talk seriously about bringing manufacturing back home to the USA and about protecting American jobs.

Although, I didn't like the comment that we should automatically staple a green card to every foreigner’s college diploma. That sounds too much like, "let's bring in cheaper educated foreigners to do take the place of higher paid US Citizens" (i.e.: the H1B immigrant issue)

If they (Both Parties) don’t actually start doing something about the real problems in our country like “out-sourcing”, illegal immigration and the out of control costs of health care insurance, by the next election – American citizens may just have to run a nation-wide campaign to vote every single incumbent elected official out of office, so that maybe they’ll finally get the message.

Seems in previous elections that both parties were always able to distract and polarize voters with insignificant peripheral issues, which ended up getting most of the voters so caught up in the BS that they lost sight of the bigger picture.

Now that that abortion and gay marriage are not legitimate distractions, they're going with gas prices and Social Security.

Wouldn't it be More Productive if Our Elected Leaders Started Working Together as AMERICANS for AMERICANS and AMERICA, instead of just bickering, stalling and posturing for the next election as democrats and republicans! The American People have had it with this unproductive BS! The sad thing is that both parties stink! Neither party is really looking out for the best interest of the US citizens who elect them and who they're supposed to represent.

ps: We also really need to start actually increasing the safe harvesting, production and distribution of our own natural energy here in the USA, rather than paying for fuel from countries where they hate us. - Let’s keep that money and those jobs here in the US.

#1.66- Thom Hartmann has been talking about the tarrif issue for many years now. He wrote a book about it titled "Rebooting the American Dream". He (and I) also believe we will not become energy independent unless/until we increase the amount of wind and solar power that the grid supplies. I know you are Conservative, but much of what Thom writes about are actually conservative ideas in the true sense; he wishes to conserve the Earth's resources and shows many paths in which we could do so (if we weren't blinded by ideology).

BTW, Romney's comments last night about tariffs impy a direct 180 turnaround from his core "free-market" principles; which made me take notice. I guess he is only for free markets until his bottom line gets impacted OR it is all BS flip flopping points in order to get elected.

Mitt was just showing his true self. I could hear his little mind saying, "uppity &#!)&." Too bad he didn't just say it out loud.

Republican's will never concede to having an African American President. Most of them don't refer to him as President Obama. Keeping this President from keeping his promises has been their main goal for the last 4 years and now they are telling us what that goal accomplished. I pledge not to vote Republican for the next 8 years because of the record they have had for the last 4.

Demo-cat....

Actually that is just a sign that Romney needs more time to come up with some more BS lines that may help him recover from getting worked over by the President. It just takes him longer than 2 minutes to come up with some of his lies. The only thing condescending about Romney is that he was nominated to run for President in the first place, and that is condescending to the American public!!!

but condescending a thing to say to a President in this, or any other setting? It sounds more like something to be spoken to a wayward preschool child to me. Comments?

Oh You know! We all are "the help"to this bastard!

Hey Irespond darling,

Two Debates, Two Democratic Party establishment strangleholds. Were trying to elect the leader of the free world in an era where both party's have put us between a rock and a hard place. Give Obama an extra chance because he's half white is getting real old. Hell, knowing how the Democrats run business, Obama's probably receiving food stamps so he can save his paycheck to open up a craft brewery when he 's finished filling the pockets of all the economy pirates the Democrats call their business people. Let us call this a Democratic and a Republican brawl from now on. Not a Romney or Obama campaign.

Demo-Cat

When Romney says to the President, "You'll get your chance in a moment, I'm still speaking.", and continues on with his comment, is that not only a rather rude, but condescending a thing to say to a President in this, or any other setting? It sounds more like something to be spoken to a wayward preschool child to me. Comments?

Exactly, Romney is disrespectful, arrogant, and rather aggressive the way he was moving towards the President when he said those things.

Romney's problem is he's used to "owning" men in board room settings. When he goes in to shut an American company down, fire American workers and send their jobs to his favorite China, no one in the board room is allowed to talk, after all, in his eyes, if they were doing their jobs he wouldn't be raiding the company and putting it out of business and American workers, out of work.

rsqme

Dumbo-cat....So the FACT that Obama was interupting Romney is not important to know in that equation?

Its people like you, who play foolish games, just like your name calling of the poster above.
Romney is way more aggressive and arrogant than President Obama.

Another part of Romney's hypocrisy is when he told the Hispanic lady about her question on immigration. Something to the order about "those entering the country legal joining our Military"....WHOA!!! wait, did ANY of his 5 sons join our Military? NO!!!!

OBAMA/BIDEN....2012!!!!

Rude is rude regardless of whom it is. The president was no better and should have set the example!

Mitt's a bully. He tried to bully the President, he tried to bully Candy like he did the moderator in the first debate. He was a bully as a kid, and I bet his wife has never won an argument with him.

Obama knocked romney 47% out of the ring to the point mitt dropped his binder full of women.

#2.7- no one in the board room is allowed to talk, after all, in his eyes, if they were doing their jobs he wouldn't be raiding the company and putting it out of business and American workers, out of work.

In MBA parlance taking a company into bankruptcy is often considered positive. This is a concept originating with the Milton Friedman trickle down economics school. The "positive" aspects are basically that anything that is a hard assett, such as real property and the pension funds. In fact, bankruptcy law is written specificaly to remove the "burden" of the pension on the failing corporation and place it on the backs of the American taxpayer.

Torndown, where the hell do you get your info? Hempstead Township is and has been a long, long time GOP run township in a heavily GOP County (Nassau). In my 45 years, we have only once had a Dem as County Exec, and to my knowledge never had a Town Exec who wasn't GOP. How does this make this area a Democratic Stronghold? We have, next to Bachmann, the single worst GOP Rep in the House, Peter King - a man who long financially supported the IRA when it had become a terrorist group, but who now accuses all Muslims of being terrorists, and all without a hint of irony.

So I ask again, knowing it is almost 100% likely it is Faux "News", but where did you come up with Hempstead NY as a Democratic Stronghold? Any electoral map available all over the Internet would show it is as Red as Red any other place that votes GOP. Nassau County almost always goes to the GOP in presidential voting since at least 1950. So source please. Living here I can tell you any site claiming it to be anything other than a GOP Stronghold is lying or stupid.

Gov Romney drove our national discourse to a record low with his spoiled rich kid deportment; he should have been gonged off the stage. I look forward to his final dissection at the foreign affairs debate. Living proof that money doesn't buy class.

This just reaffirms my belief that the participants in these debates need to be outfitted with shock collars. Any deviation from the question, any interruptions, any rude behavior by the participants - zzzzap! A healthy dose of juice administered to the idiots. Delivered not by the moderator, but by the audience.

Romney went into this debate thinking he could bully Candy Crowley the way he did Jim Lehrer. Didn't work. Instead, he came off as rude, arrogant and peevish, none of which are becoming qualities. True colors showing?

Romney touted his five-point plan. What are the five points? Well, gee whiz, he just couldn't list them. Could it be they don't exist?

Romney had "binders full of women". I wasn't aware women CAME in binders. When he was asked about the Lilly Ledbetter Act, what did good ol' Mitt say? That he'd get back to us on that. So far, he hasn't seen fit to.

Romney didn't have his facts straight about Libya. He still can't justify trying to make political points over the bodies of dead Americans. Did he speak to that? No, of course not. Candy Crowley stopped him dead in his tracks when she told him the President was right about the Rose Garden speech. I know the Romney campaign doesn't want fact-checkers, but come on. This was EASY to check.

Like Moshulu, I was put off by his comments about immigration. The idea that those coming to this country should gain citizenship by bleeding and dying for this country is so heartless that it beggars the imagination. Did Mitt himself serve in Vietnam? No! He made sure his patrician hiney was safe in France. Did any of his five sons serve this country? Absolutely not! Ol' Mitt only wants other people's children to fight and die.

Romney put his foot in it when he blathered about wanting to be President of 100% of the populace. He opened the door. I suppose he thought we all would have some kind of amnesia about his 47%. The President called him out on it, and rightly so. Romney is stuck with the 47% comment. He can't wish it away. He can't explain it away. He can't justify it. It is an albatross around his neck forever.

Romney came off as the rude, arrogant, clueless plutocrat that he is and everyone knows it. They just don't want to admit it. But that doesn't mean they don't know it.

They really do need a kill switch on the microphones for bullies like romney.

Memo to Smackwhackle..Great post...why didn't I think of that ??

Demo cat, I couldn't agree more. Mr romney should learn some manners. I think he is so used to talking to people like that, the 47%. It makes me sick to hear this man.

#2.14- Right on! Vote for Romney/Ryan Because the Plutocracy matters!

It's the Plutonomy as exemplified by Romney's entire career:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/10/04/789523/-Citigroup-s-Shocking-Plutonomy-Reports-h-t-Michael-Moore

- There is no "average consumer" in a Plutonomy.
[...]
Indeed, traditional thinking is likely to have issues with most of it. We will posit that:

1. the world is dividing into two blocs - the plutonomies, where economic growth is powered by and largely consumed by the wealthy few, and the rest.

Plutonomies have occurred before in sixteenth century Spain, in seventeenth century Holland, the Gilded Age and the Roaring Twenties in the U.S.

What are the common drivers of Plutonomy?

Disruptive technology-driven productivity gains,
creative financial innovation,
capitalist-friendly cooperative governments,
an international dimension of immigrants and
overseas conquests invigorating wealth creation,
the rule of law, and
patenting inventions.

Often these wealth waves involve great complexity, exploited best by the rich and educated of the time.

2. We project that the plutonomies (the U.S., UK, and Canada) will likely see even more income inequality, disproportionately feeding off a further rise in the profit share in their economies, capitalist-friendly governments, more technology-driven productivity, and globalization.

[...]

4. In a plutonomy there is no such animal as "the U.S. consumer" or "the UK consumer", or indeed the "Russian consumer".

There are rich consumers, few in number, but disproportionate in the gigantic slice of income and consumption they take. There are the rest, the "non-rich", the multitudinous many, but only accounting for surprisingly small bites of the national pie. [...] i.e., focus on the "average" consumer are flawed from the start.

I would submit that a Romney/Ryan administration would love nothing more than to be the leaders of the most capitalist-friendly country with its' "rich consumers".

Yeah,

Romney was stupid for doing that at the very end. I think he slipped because he got rattle after being called out as "factually incorrect" about his Rose Garden statement. Romney did exactly what Obama did last time; gave his opponent a huge boost.

Amazing how you Libtards can hear what you want to hear regardless of the truth. And you all seem to neglect the fact that Crowley admitted she was wrong about the comment after the debate!

rsqme,

right back at you because she NEVER SAID THAT. What she said was that Romney was right that the "acts of terrorism" was not carried on throughout the narrative of the attacks until much later. However Obama did say that phrase in the Rose Garden and that is what Romney got slapped for; stating that Obama did not when he did.

Both Obama and Romney were right but Romney made an ass out of himself for doubling down on his factually incorrect information.

RSQME

this is what Obama said:

No acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this great nation, alter that character, or eclipse the light of the values that we stand for. Today we mourn four more Americans who represent the very best of the United States of America. We will not waver in our commitment to see that justice is done for this terrible act. And make no mistake, justice will be done.

Who only hears what he wants to hear?

And Romney said that Obama never mentioned "acts of terror" which he did.

What was Obama's response on how we will get equal pay for women? Oh yeah, he did not have one! He just started talking about how women want healthcare so they can get contraceptives and abortions. How is that getting women equal pay? It is just so stupid, when are we going to get answers instead of the same old talking points?

Don't be too hard on rsqme. He's a republican. And we all know they just aren't that bright.

Shellie you are reading some of your lebturdian brothers statements too, right? Some of you libs aren't the brightest crayons in the box either.. So, I wouldn't throw rocks in glass houses.. It makes you sound like a hypocrite.. Both sides have their share of "nuts", don't add to the pile!

mhv,

I think he got overwhelmed by Binders of Women.

Kamaaina- You sensed the bully also. I think we posted at the same time. Funny.

Romney =>Nixon

Obama => Carter....

Yes, Chad. Romney seemed really flustered that Obama's hair is so short. Not much for Romney to dig his scissors into--really seemed to throw him off as Romney start seething, stuttering and whining to the moderator. You could almost hear his thinking, "I can circle behind and throw him down, Ann put the scissors in my hanky but what do I cut, I just get one shot, maybe two since the moderator is a woman, I think I can take her...maybe even get some of her hair. At least this whole presidential bs would be over. I don't know what I was thinking, the Koch brothers deposit in my blind Cayman trust was huge, but still...Ann does want another Olympian horse...calm down, think of firing someone, that always make me feel good...darn out of time"

Kamaaina- Now that is funny.

Butterfly,

She did not retract it, stop spinning BS like this. She said that Obama was wright, Romney was wrong but that Romney was right in the large scheme of things that it was not a narrative that was carried on.

However she did not say that Romney actually told the truth about the Rose Garden bit; in fact Romney was wrong (bolded for emphasis).

Saying something is a FACT doesn't make it so...

ROMNEY: I — I think interesting the president just said something which — which is that on the day after the attack he went into the Rose Garden and said that this was an act of terror.

OBAMA: That’s what I said.

This is what he said:

No acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this great nation, alter that character, or eclipse the light of the values that we stand for. Today we mourn four more Americans who represent the very best of the United States of America. We will not waver in our commitment to see that justice is done for this terrible act. And make no mistake, justice will be done.

I don't see how you parse this out...he said it. His remarks can't be mistaken for being reference to anything other than the Benghazi consulate attack. Asked and answered..

Butterfly_Effect, your"facts" contain multiple lies and a false impression of what the 47% truely is. Your hate filled and dismissive rant is simply wrong.

Oh brother! You talk about cherry picking a statement! In the paragraph prior to his use of the words "act of terror" he was discussing the 9-11-2001 attacks along with Iraq and Afghanistan. His use of the phrase "acts of terror" was made in that context, the 9-11-2001 anniversary in particular, not the Benghazi attacks!

Your lack of common sense is astounding! Either the President is lying or you think he is telling the truth (can someone say gullible?) then his administration is in total disarray because several days after that Rose Garden speech U.N. ambassador Susan Rice was on 5 major TV talk shows using the YouTube video as the reason for the attack as were others in his administration, and neither he, nor Biden, nor Secretary of State Clinton issued comments to suggest she was wrong! In fact, quite the opposite! The President himself in a U.N speech referenced the YouTube video 6 times and not once did he mention terrorism being the reason behind the Benghazi attack!

Now, if he thought it was terrorism the day after, why were key members of his administration telling people the cause was a YouTube video for several weeks after the event? As Jon Stewart said recently, don't they talk to each other? Can't have it both ways! Either Obama is lying (which he is), or even if you think he is telling the truth, then he has a group of bumbling, incompetent idiots in high level positions running around misinforming people! Which is it? No matter how you answer, it doesn't bode well for Obama!

Butterfly Effect, you are right! We are being lied to about the Libya incident and the families of those lost are the real losers. How insulting to them, shame on you BO!

Oh please. Do you whiners really insist on displaying your stupidity on such a large scale? I mean seriously, I know grade schoolers that don't whine and cry as much as you dimwits. And the most pathetic part, you are all doing EXACTLY what everyone predicted you would do. Romney got his clock cleaned (he pretty much helped) and all you guys can do it whine and cry about it. Waaaaaaaa, the moderator was biased, waaaaaaaaa, wer're going back to whinging about polls that are manipulated. waaaaaaaaaaa Romney kicked his own ass on foreign affairs and the 47% remark but we're going to whine because the President wasn't nice enough to loser Romney. Waaaaaaaaaaa. You people are really pathetic.

#9- No one's said it yet, so here it goes: Why are those who apparently support Romney focused on Candy Crowley's weight? Is that all you have? The misogynism is heavy on the vine today!

Oh, and for those who may not understand big words:

FROM: http://www.thefreedictionary.com/misogynism

misogynism, misogyny

an extreme dislike of females, frequently based upon unhappy experience or upbringing. Cf. misandry

FZ is exactly right. Why is it that you RWNJ's are so focused on Candy Crowley's weight? Is that all you have? What difference does it make if the moderator is thin or fat? Do you really believe the moderator's weight is going to affect the ourcome of the debate in any way, shape or form?

Your guy lost. Face facts and quit looking for excuses.

9-11 HAPPENED UNDER GEORGIE BOYS WATCH...NEVER FORGET THAT!!!

"Oh please. Do you whiners really insist on displaying your stupidity on such a large scale? I mean seriously, I know grade schoolers that don't whine and cry as much as you dimwits."

Right, and you libturds weren't all complaining when your "empty suit" President was weak during the first debate.. Getting stuck on one topic during the second debate doesn't qualify as a "spanking".. It was more like a "golfers clap".. As for spanking, that would be the first debate.. We spanked the shyt out of the President, and we gave him round for round on this one.. The POTUS hasn't even given us his answer on the economy and how he would fix it.. At least we have a plan, Obama doesn't even attempt to give one.. I know grade schoolers that are brighter than most liberals.. So, right back at ya..

#9.10- Here is some "schooling" for ya:

FROM: http://www.barackobama.com/issues?source=primary-nav

President Obama has a plan to grow the economy from the middle class out, not the top down. We can't just cut our way to prosperity, and we can’t go back to the same failed policies that caused the economic crisis and punished middle-class families.

And this plan has six real points, one more than Romney's fake 5 points:

Innovation: Create the jobs of tomorrow here at home+

President Obama is investing in education, research and technology to grow the economy for the long term.

Manufacturing is an essential building block of our economy because it sparks innovation, generates higher-wage jobs, and strengthens entire communities. After declining for over a decade, the manufacturing sector has rebounded – led by President Obama’s rescue of the auto industry– and created half a million manufacturing jobs over the past 30 months. To build on this recovery, President Obama set a goal to create 1 million new manufacturing jobs by the end of 2016 and is working to double American exports over the next five years by promoting U.S. goods and removing trade barriers, expanding access to credit, and promoting strong growth.

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Taxes: Reform the tax code to create jobs and pay down our deficit +

President Obama cut taxes for every American worker and provided 18 tax cuts for small businesses to help them weather the recession. Now, he’s calling on millionaires and billionaires to pay a little bit more so that we can pay down our debt in a balanced way.

The President has put forward a specific, balanced plan of spending cuts and revenue increases that reduces the deficit by more than $4 trillion over the next decade, including $1 trillion in spending cuts he signed into law last summer as part of a deal with Congressional Republicans. His plan includes $2.50 in spending cuts for every dollar in revenue increases, while bringing annual domestic spending as a share of the economy to its lowest level in 50 years.

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Nation-building at home: End wars and rebuild America+

President Obama responsibly ended the war in Iraq and will end the war in Afghanistan in 2014—now is the time to rebuild America. The President’s plan uses half the money we’re no longer spending on war to put Americans back to work rebuilding road, bridges, runways and schools here at home and uses the other half to help pay down the debt.

While other nations are vastly outspending us on their infrastructure, American businesses are saddled with crumbling roads and bridges. The President is working to get rid of pet projects, government boondoggles, and bridges to nowhere. And he has proposed a new independent fund that will attract private dollars and issue loans for new construction projects based on: how badly are they needed, and how much good will they do for the economy.

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Energy: Invest in clean energy made here in America+

By ending government subsidies for oil companies and investing in cleaner sources, we can become a global leader in clean energy, creating American jobs and businesses while improving our environment and national security.

An unprecedented boom in domestic production has led to cheaper natural gas, and President Obama will take every possible action to safely develop this abundant source of American energy to support more than 600,000 jobs by the end of the decade. U.S. oil production is at a 14-year high and President Obama has charted a course to cut net oil imports in half between 2008 and 2020, lowering imports by 5.5 million barrels per day and reducing our reliance on foreign oil to its lowest level in almost three decades.

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Education: Lead the world in college graduates by 2020+

Education is the surest path to the middle class. President Obama is making historic investments in education to create opportunity for all Americans.

To help students better afford a college education, President Obama ended billions in subsidies wasted on banks and used the savings to double investments in Pell Grants. He established a college tax credit for students and their families worth up to $10,000 over four years of college. He set a goal to lead the world in college graduates by 2020, and cut the growth of college tuition and fees in half over the next 10 years, a goal that will save the typical student thousands of dollars a year, and proposed bringing together community colleges and businesses to train 2 million Americans for good jobs that actually exist now and are waiting to be filled.

There is no substitute for a great teacher. President Obama is fighting to help state and local governments save the jobs of hundreds of thousands of teachers and to provide states with resources to reward and attract great teachers while taking strides to improve teacher effectiveness. And he has set a goal to recruit and prepare 100,000 math and science teachers so we can out-compete countries in fields like science, technology, engineering, and math (STEM).

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@FZKnew, He's had FOUR YEARS.. Only an irresponsible person would come out after a FAILED Presidential term and give this supposed "new plan" for a "better America" now.. If he was really as in-touch with the American voters as he says he is, this plan should've already been in play, and we should be seeing some of the problems we have been facing starting to come to a head, and the promised remedies coming into fruition..

He made a lot of promises in 2008 and as the saying goes "Don't write checks your ass can't cash"..

IF YOU FAIL - ONE AND DONE!

Romney/Ryan 2012

#9.12- and what part of the Obstructionism from Congress plays into your facts? BTW, it took FDR more than 8 years to turn around what Hoover left the country with. (which, not so incidentally are similar to the current Republican/Norquist policies)

Jobs bill to benefit veterans- filibustered by Senate.

Bill to take away tax incentives for outsourcing jobs? blocked by the House republicans.

Private sector job growth positive for 32 months.

stock market in 2008 6k; October 2012 over 13k.

New GM plant in Ohio with almost 1000 new jobs.

To be clear, I am a true progressive and do not think President Obama has done enough in terms of slapping Wall Street; and his defense policies (NDAA, Afghanistan) are hideous, however, I am CERTAIN he has turned around the U.S. economy by simply not caving into the plutocrats demands.

President "O" gave the GOP/Gov a little lesson in finesse...Even DWTS would have sent Romney packing. SNL will have fun with this one...

So, their calling the Presidents dodging of questions finesse.. smh.. Are they calling Biden's performance of sheer lunacy, poise now too?

Sorry, but you're spinning and it isn't working. Your guy lost, badly.

Obama won on his aggressiveness against Romney policy. He did not convince me on where is he taking America in the next for years. His couldn't defend his policy, On Libya he did mention the terrorist but he was talking in GENERAL not this particular incident, but it worked to his advantage last night. If it was true that he was referring to Libya he wouldn't have spoken the way he did at the UN. By bring up the Video.He should have said this was an act of terror and we will not rest until we find the people responsible for this.

Gregarorio057, Your right, he should have, but didn't.. If you read a bunch of the lib statements above, they have an excuse for that.. If you're interested.. I on the other hand believe the age old addage.. "If it walks like a duck, talks like a duck, it's a duck", or in this case an EPIC FAILURE..

did you really think Obama won. He had nothing to say about his plan. all he did was attack Romney. Romney did better on all issue. Obama did good on been AGGRESSIVE that all.

Have you been in a coma for the last 4 years greg? If you don't know the plan already, there's not much hope you ever will. You low information people who need everything explained to you with pop-up pictures are a waste of time anyway. You'll never get it.

Shellie I'm quite awake. Obama policy didn't work and it wont work. But I prefer Obama to stay in office. I will could continue buying houses at foreclose price. Thank God for Obama because people like you voted and will continue to vote for him and many of you will continue to lose your precious home. yes because thing are getting worst everyday. Many people are losing their jobs by the minute and the economy is not picking up the way Obama is portraying it. You want to believe in him do so.

Shellie, have you been under a rock for the last four years? The economy isn't better.. Groceries, gas, utility charges are all SKY HIGH.. Our paychecks aren't covering our costs.. People that actually WORK feel the strain.. Don't get me wrong if you're on welfare or collecting State Aide, by all means keep ranting.. This failed President will work out fine for you.. If you WORK hard like I do and have difficulty seeing the "change" we've been promised and promised and promised, then VOTE for a real change..

Romney/Ryan 2012, because the "change" we've been promised shouldn't be what's left in our pockets where the bills use to be!

Romney was saved by the bell.

In fact, as the debate wore on, Romney aged considerably. You could see the energy drain from him.

When the debate was over, Romney got out of town FAST. That's the mark of someone who wants to put distance between himself and his humiliation.

Ann is probably concerned all over again about the state of Mitt's mental health.

Ann is probably having issues with her own mental health this morning. Anyone notice she was dressed basically just like Michelle? Exact same color and everything. LMAO

That was NOT what she was talking about. She said Romney was right about the Obama Admin. coming out 14 days later with the facts as they learned them. You're just like Romney; pulling crap out of your a$$, calling it fact and hoping no one fact checks it. Well Candy did, right on the spot. Romney got caught in front of 50 mil. + voters.

I've been following this since the Republican Primary. Romney changes his position depending on his audience, to the Republicans he was a hard line super-conservative religious charger. To his GOP supporters he was the businessman who was out to make them money, the one to ensure their interests were looked after in the government. And now on TV to the national public he's trying to be his considerate moderate who only wants to fix American and watch out for the middle class. It's pretty blatant pandering and salesmanship.

Interesting thing is there is no "real Romney", his positions, ALL of them, are whatever the party leadership says they will be. If after the election they decide to raise taxes on the middle class and cut them on the rich, he'll suddenly be for that. If they decided to cut education, he'll be for it, and if they decide the exact opposite of those things then that's ok with him. He is what's referred to as a "company man", someone who's for the best interests of the company they work for. In this case his employer is the Republican Party, specifically the financial interests and unelected leaders they represent.

That is what scares me about Romney, not him but that he's nothing but a puppet for the powers behind him.

Just wait. By the end of the day his campaign will be walking back about half of what he said.

I can't claim to know what's in either candidates head, so I look at their actions. President Obama's own administration pays women less money. The median income for women in the Obama administration is a whopping 18% less than men. The same was true in his campaign. I guess GrammaKnows that if you are satisfied with that record you have the right candidate.

He did say "IF women are going to work, we need to let them be able to get right home and cook dinner".

Then Obama said "Nah, just let them stay home and procreate while the rest of the responsible taxpayers support them"..

You mad your candidate got his beating today?

Try taking a nap, it'll calm you down.

ROMNEY: I — I think interesting the president just said something which — which is that on the day after the attack he went into the Rose Garden and said that this was an act of terror.

OBAMA: That’s what I said.

This is what he said:

No acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this great nation, alter that character, or eclipse the light of the values that we stand for. Today we mourn four more Americans who represent the very best of the United States of America. We will not waver in our commitment to see that justice is done for this terrible act. And make no mistake, justice will be done.

I don't see how you parse this out...he said it. His remarks can't be mistaken for being reference to anything other than the Benghazi consulate attack. Asked and answered..

and yet so many leftys are claiming victory when clearly the majority of people see romney is a better choice to get us back on track

LOL LOL LOL LOL

Did you see the way mittwitt and his wife walked quickly off the stage. Those dam N----gerS, Everyone should vote for me not those servant N-----gers

Solutions, just because your an apparent RACIST trying to pull the race card in AGAIN, like you libturds always do, doesn't make it the truth.. It makes YOU a RACIST!!



Yep! Those N--gers are suppose to be serving us our dinner. What the hell is going on? hahaha