I wonder Layton - could you ask that very same question about Obama?

Will we see the same downtrodden speaker from last time?

A biden-esqe, boisterous speaker?

Only one of the two absolutely, and by their own admission must change.

How odd then that you would ask that question about Mitt.

Some wise words for all of us, no matter what our leanings, to keep in mind today. From a speech by Theodore Rooseselt in 1910, this passage is referred to as "The Man in the Arena":

It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat. ~Theodore Roosevelt

For all those writing in that Obama is a failure because he didn't fix the economy,,,,

,,,,,,,please read up on the first 10 years after the Great Depression. It took a lot of YEARS to crawl out of that one too. There is not much Obama, Romney, Congress, or any one else can magically do to replace the necessary time to regain what was lost .

That being said,,,,, I will not vote for Obama for his lies about ending the war and NOT doing so. And for his administration doing virtually NOTHING to prosecute the largest financial crimes in history. Neither has anything been done to reign in the corrupt to the core banking sector to protect the American public in years to come. (Those 3 offences rate impeachment.)

Nor can I vote for Mitch Romney, who is nowhere near an improvement over Obama. (They both suck.)

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Gilbert Gottfried/Carrot Top, 2012, anyone ?????????

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(Can't be any worse and at least the entertainment value of Gilbert Gottfried addressing Congress as the President would be worth it in entertainment value alone.)

I think Obama is practicing Joe Biden's facial expressions and earning how to say Malarkey.

It took a lot of YEARS to crawl out of that one too. There is not much Obama, Romney, Congress, or any one else can magically do to replace the necessary time to regain what was lost .

That's because Obama's mentor FDR was as much of a dunderhead as Obama. FDR policies did more to continue the depression than to fix it. Same as Obama.

Romney better watch out, Obama is going to bring up the 47% comment and Bain Capital. Oh my. How lame that all Obama has is a secretly recorded and subsequently distorted comment, and nothing but talking points about Bain Capital. Obama will offer nothing but excuses, blame for his first term failure, and no details about what he will do if re-elected.

First is was yes we can, and that became why we couldn't. Now we get forward, with Obama leading us where again? Let us not forgot some memorable Obama comments. You didn't build that, I believe in redistribution, clinging to guns and religion, the police acted stupidly, and of course my favorite being under my plan energy prices will naturally skyrocket. Unfortunately Obama delivered on the skyrocketing energy prices.

Romney is ready for the debate, and ready to be president. After tonight, Obama is one and done.

I just can't understand the liberal mindset. But good luck to odumbo tonight he's going to need it.

Time for the incompetent leader (gratuitous term) to be relieved of duty. Time for someone with REAL HISTORY of leadership, business success, and the ability to work with both sides to get the job done right!(Mass Gov) If you actually looked at his records and history, its clear as day.

Romney 2012.

Take Romney over Obama any old time, but then, I would take the dogcatcher over Obama. My preference was and is Ron Paul. At least he gets it, the other two are hacks for the party. Frankly, at this juncture, I doubt any one person can turn the ship of state around. Having said that, I do believe Romney isn't burdened with an agenda to 'radically transform America' as Obama is. The 'radical' is the key word in that statement and those were the precise words that Obama used. He is indeed a radical, he is steeped in radical rhetoric, his mentors and parents and friends and political allies...all of the radical persuasion.

Point out that Obama is centrist? Only a really radical leftist would claim that. Obama is a typical limosine liberal, an elitist who knows what is best for the great unwashed proletariat and someone who believes that only those of his ilk have the 'capability' of 'leading' aka: pushing the agenda.

That's a no-brainer

I can't help but wonder if Obama will attempt to adopt the "a$$hole Joe" approach and try to interrupt, make faces, smirk, try to talk over..... and LIE several times approach ... sort of like old Joe did in his speech !

Certainly, Obama will not be looking at the floor this time since his debate "coach(es)" have surely warned him about that. It will be interesting to see if Obama actually HAS any new plans for reviving the economy and reducing the unemployed. So far, we have heard little more than raise taxes on the wealthy. IF Obama thinks he is "eye candy", will U.S. voters agree or will they demand substance ??

President Obama had his chance and he chose to pile on to our debt in an unprecedented manner. We must now face the consequences. America has not seen the end result of this immoral debt philosophy yet. Paying the piper is still ahead for our nation and the new president will be the one who must deal with the full expression of the crisis. Soon, the curtain will be pulled back and we will see that the "All Powerful Oz" was pulling our leg all along. We will have to face the consequences of our foolishness America. When it all hits the fan, we will want a president that has the financial experience and wisdom to rebuild on a right and solid financial foundation. He will begin to restore the power of American ingenuity, untie our constitutional freedoms, and restore the spirit of free enterprise to our nation as we rediscover the principles that made our freedoms and opportunities the envy of the world. The man to begin this road back is Mitt Romney. It will not be easy, and we must still face many great difficulties soon ahead, but we must change course now and choose the right road. We will be able to rebuild if it is done on the right foundation. Choose wisely, America.

“Why nobody is talking about the high gas prices?”

DISINGENUOUS FOR POLITICAL GAIN: A123 BANKRUPTCY

Mitt Romney may bring up the High Price of gasoline, but we investors KNOW that behind the scenes, the GOP has been up to dirty tricks. Yes we just lost money in A123 Systems, Inc. the USA based battery manufacturer, but we've also got a bone to pick with KFx Inc. That "Clean Coal" investment is now renamed of all things; Evergreen Energy, Inc. see (EEE) (EVEIQ)

We should have seen it coming, after Republican Senator Thune (R), and Senator Grassely (R) targeted the lithium battery alternative play to gasoline, for GOP Debate talking points. The GOP senators raised questions regarding a Chinese infusion of cash, that would have saved A123.

Mitt Romney hates to see the government pick Winners & Losers, yet be assured, that nothing will be said by him, regarding the "CLEAN COAL" loser, KFx Inc, a.k.a. Evergreen Energy, Inc.

Higher Gasoline Prices! GOP Dirty Deeds Done Dirt Cheap ~~~~~~

Senators question A123 stimulus need

Chinese firm courts U.S. battery maker

JG

spent the last 4 years managing his millions,

The Romney money is in a blind trust. The only managing romney was doing was writing a check for the family bills, 5.7 million to various Charities and 1.9 million to the federal government.

What he did from the day he dropped out of the 2008 campaign was build a base for 2012. That was the biggest difference from Romney to Gingrich to Santorum. He had a strong base in every state.

If you think the republicans ... and worse Mitt Romney are going to solve the country's ills, there's a bridge that might be for sale that I'd like to show you. As Grover Norquist said (you know who he is, right?) of Romney: "we just need someone who'll sign stuff." Yes, like more tax cuts for the wealthy?

@close the fed

"By the way,,,,,

,,,,,,, isn't it just peachy that no one from the Bush Administration/Criminal Empire was invited to the Republican Convention NOR even mentioned."

Apparently you did not watch the Republican Convention because on of the main speakers was Condoleezza Rice! I guess its easier to tell a lie because of lack of research for yourself than to tell the truth!

He is indeed a radical, he is steeped in radical rhetoric, his mentors and parents and friends and political allies...all of the radical persuasion.

Radical, schmadical. Your word has no meaning because it comes from far right field.

It's all relative, isn't it? Conservatives have moved so far to the right in recent years that a centrist looks like a leftist to you. In fact, your own former GOP presidents like Reagan, Ford, and even Bush were far more open-minded, centrist and willing to compromise than the current Republican party. You wouldn't allow them to join today's GOP.

That is your Achilles heel. Americans are not radicals, by and large, and at least the educated citizens can see right through your attempts at fear mongering and mind control. You will never convince the majority of the population to bow to your plutocratic ideology and your fundamentalist religious dictates.

America is the land of the free and the home of the brave, and don't forget it girl.

Welcome to the Teabagger alternate universe!

In this universe President Obama didn't kill Osama Bin Laden, didn't create 31 months of straight private sector job growth, didn't reduce the deficit from "W" levels, didn't end the Iraq War, didn't save the auto industry, didn't pass health care reform for poor people, etc. etc.

They can't possibly give Obama any credit because that would undermine their narritive that he is a failed, angry black man from Kenya.

For tonight's debate I expect Obama will not let Romney get away with his flip-flop fairy-tale agenda.

We are talking about Romney here:

1. He refuses to release his taxes (we know the reason is because he's a tax cheat)
2. He refuses to give ANY details on ANY of his plans - "trust me" is his political platform
3. He wants war and will be happy to serve-up billions of dollars to his rich corporate buddies in the military industrial complex for years to come
4. He wants to cut taxes $5 TRILLION dollars and won't tell us how he will pay for it
5. He wants to INCREASE defence budget by $2 Trillion more and won't tell us how he'll pay for it
6. He doesn't care about 47% of the population
7. He will appoint right-wing Supreme Court Justices and make personal health decisions for those silly, silly, stupid women that can't possibly make their own choices

The choice couldn't be clearer, Romney is all smoke and mirrors and I expect Obama to expose him tonight.

Oh you poor Overlord! You have been drinking the kool-aid haven't you. I find this presidential campaign and the blind, vehement support for President Obama is surreal. I ask myself what this man has done to earn such zealous, even violent support, and only draw blanks. On every issue he has been a complete and utter failure . I honestly believersuccess for him and his most ardent supports include driving up the debt, increasing unemployment and expanding dependency on government (built in voting block). So much for a post-racial country. Under Obama the division has become an abyss. He is a tool, a pawn, and not of a benevolent master. If re-elected to a second term, there will be no constraints and American will no longer be the home of the free. Mark my words.

Rick,

Do you see the irony (and idocy) of your own words?.....You said:

.....secretly recorded and subsequently distorted comment......followed by you saying "You didn't build that"

Romney's quote about the 47% wasn't clipped or distorted at all, he said:

"there are 47 percent who are with him, who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe that government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you name it"

Those are his exact words, no distortion.

Funny how your reference to "you didn't build that" is TOTALLY out of context. Obama said:

If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you've got a business—you didn't build that.

Not sure what else to say. Which was "inelegantly" stated? Obama's for sure, but there's no mistake about what either of them meant.

....and who cares about ALL Americans? Who should be President of ALL of the American people?

Romney will win again tonight and we'll hear the lefty libs call him a liar again. Be sure and tune in to MSNBC if you want to hear that Obama won because that is the only place you'll hear it.

I hope that Romney talks about Obama's war on a woman. Can you believe he threw Hillary under the bus? I think it's great because it shows that Obama will push the blame for anything to anybody else.

1/20/2013 - the end of an error

While we are at it, lets talk about the specifics of the Obama plan

THE OBAMA MASSIVE DEBT PLAN!!!

Straight from Mr. Obama's fourth proposed budget. Here is the debt he is proposing to foist on US, our kids and grandchildren to go along with his big government as the center of the universe agenda.:

Table S–15. Federal Government Financing and Debt—Continued(Dollars amounts in billions)Actual 2011 Estimate 2012 2013 2014 2015 2016 2017 2018 2019 2020021 2022

Debt Outstanding, End of Year: Gross Federal debt:Debt issued by Treasury .................................................... 14,737 16,323 17,520 18,471 19,398 20,363 21,298 22,218 23,125 24,051 24,984 25,918

Debt issued by other agencies ........................................... 27 28 28 29 29 28 28 27 27 26 24 22 Total,

gross Federal debt .............................................. 14,764 16,351 17,548 18,500 19,427 20,392 21,326 22,245 23,152 24,077 25,008 25,940

Almost $26 Trillion in debt proposed /projected by Mr. Obama. UNSUSTAINABLE! And we all know that in actual practice it will turn out to be a lot higher if Obama is returned to office. And on July 16, on Morning Joe, Mr. Obama's spokesperson, Rep. Jim Clyburn(D), admitted that the Obama plan necessarily will require middle class tax hikes in the years going forward after the election, in order to pay for the deficit spending and debt laden Obama plan. Which is why Mr. Obama is only proposing a ONE YEAR extension of the current middle class tax rates.

And please, when you see Mr. Obama on the campaign trail, ask him how much yearly revenue he perceives his proposed tax hike on those making over $200,000.00/$250,000.00 per couple (projected to raise $60 to 70 billion)will raise, and how that will even come close to his proposed $1.3 Trillion per year in deficit spending and debt building. Oh, silly me, I forgot, Obama doesn't take questions on the campaign trail. He only sits for interviews with People magazine and radio spots with the Pimp With A Limp.

Too bad Mr. Obama can't discuss his budget plan with the American people. He knows it will be rejected, so he is busy playing with smoke and mirror attacks on Mr. Romney and giving meaningless rhetorical speeches in the hopes of duping voters once again.

Obama has no creditable plan to fix the economy, the debt or deficit. He should have focused on those items before AHCA. Taxing the rich is not going to fix these problems.

60% of Romney's advisor team worked for George Bush, and yet Romney claims that his admin would be different. Ha.

For all the Obama kool-aid drinkers: You all state what a liar Romney is but what about Obama? He hasn't done anything he promised. He had 4 years to do all he promised and there are more scandals with this admin than anyother.

Why do you hold this man blameless in everything he does? He had both houses for 2 years and only passed Obama-care.

This man has lied over and over again and cost the tax payer billions in failed green energy companies and yet you defend him and overlook his corrupt administration and all his blunders.

Both republican and democrat politicians are corrupt and support special interest groups but the democrats are far worse

DB Akron

The Romney money is in a blind trust.

which Romney are you for?:

"I don’t manage the money that I have. In order to make sure that I didn’t have a conflict of interest while I was governor or while I was considering a run for national office, I had a blind trust established,”

or

"The blind trust is an age-old ruse, if you will. You can always tell the blind trust what it can and cannot do. You can give a blind trust rules.”

Apparently you did not watch the Republican Convention because on of the main speakers was Condoleezza Rice!

Oh, wow. Condi...the photo-op queen, poster girl for GOP tokenism. Precisely what has Ms. Rice done politically since she left the Bush administration? She never should have strayed outside academia.

More to the point, you GOPers should be asking yourselves whatever happened to Colin Powell. He had real talent and potential, but Bush misused him terribly. No wonder he left and never came back. All your good people have done the same, and now you're left with the dregs: Michelle Bachmann, Sarah Palin, Newt Gingerich, Rick Santorum, Rick Perry, Herman Cain... sheesh, it's no wonder Romney emerged as your nominee. He's the only one of the above who could walk and chew gum at the same time, although you can see the effort it takes him.

Find some good people, GOP! We've had just about enough of your useless, lying, unintelligent wackos.

1. If he was a tax cheat, why did the IRS accept his returns for the past 10 years?

2. He has given some details, about as much as Obama has.

3. His idea of growing the military bothers me too.

4. He's given some general ideas, just not specifics. Will we see more of that tonight? Maybe.

5. Obama wanted 1 billion more for healthcare, and skirted about how to pay for that too.

6. He never said he didn't care. He said 47% are already voting for Obama anyways, and it appears that may be true.

7. Health choices for women? You mean, telling a woman (and a man) that they need to be responsible and take accountability for their choices? The real war on women is the fact that over 20,000,000 girls have been aborted. NOW THAT IS A WAR ON WOMEN.

Taxing the "rich" will raise enough revenue to pay for only about 8.5 days of the annual Obama deficits. His planned taxation of "millionaires" and "billionaires" actually starts at $200k/single and $250k/married. This is nothing more than another unchallenged Obama distortion of reality !

KingK

THE OBAMA MASSIVE DEBT PLAN!!!

The Republicans had the majority in both chambers between 2003-2006, and majority in House in 2001-2002, and 50-50 in Senate in 2001-2002?

While the Republicans controlled 2 ouf 3 branches, the government they ran a deficit EVERY SINGLE YEAR during the Bush Admin?

EVERY SINGLE year - not exactly something to use on a Republican resume as a "better than," is it?

Rhonda, Rhonda Rhonda,

Who's drinking kool-aid? What freedom has Obama taken from anybody? ...Except Osama Bin Ladenand a bunch of other terrorists?

Mark my words, Obama's not secretly planning to take anybody's gun, or anything else. He does what he says, or at least tries to do what he says. Any good things, like jobs bills--those have been stopped by your guys.

Mitt, he won't even tell us what he plans to do.

Obama "drives up the debt" and "increases unemployment"? Deficits are down since he took over, and likewise unemployment is down more than 2% since the bottom of the Bush trough....

Facts are sticky things..... but keep on believing what you want to believe.

" What freedom has Obama taken from anybody?"

Liberals in SAN RAFAEL, CA just banned smoking in town homes and condos. Town homes and condos that you take out a loan for and pay for with your own money.

No one wants to live in a nanny state let alone country. O must Go!

Rhonda Loves Free SpeechOh you poor Overlord! You have been drinking the kool-aid haven't you. I find this presidential campaign and the blind, vehement support for President Obama is surreal. I ask myself what this man has done to earn such zealous, even violent support, and only draw blanks. On every issue he has been a complete and utter failure .

Your rant proves Romney is in trouble. If you're still sticking to the story that unemployment has gone up and Obama is an "utter failure" then you're just lying.

Obviously you are the utter failure since all you can do is spew lies about the president.

I might be concerned if you had ANY facts to support your assertions but of course, just like Romney, it's nothing but smoke and mirrors.

If he put as much prep work into the debate as he did in creating jobs you will see what you saw last time. A clueless individual.

no more filbert

1. If he was a tax cheat, why did the IRS accept his returns for the past 10 years?

whether Romney is a tax cheat ot not is not a question. It's whether he paid ZERO in federal income tax as he claims he did has not (even though he always manages to avoid saying "federal income" when talking about taxes), and if he ever got the tax shelter amnesty.

Now I will admit that I don't know this one but I will ask anyway: if Romney did cheat on his taxes and got caught, would that be public information even if he paid back taxes and/or penalties, or would that be protected under privacy laws (since no criminal charges would be filed)?

baylie

So your argument for reelecting Obama is that even though he has screwed up and has no viable plan, others have screwed up in the past so we should let Obama slide. Boy, that's brilliant. Like a child getting scolded by his mother and then saying "Johnny did it too, so why can't I?". Time to get rid of the child's play and put responsible adults in charge. Bye, bye Obama!

OWENCOFFIN- If you want a good laugh, check out the youtube video of Paul "Vaginal Probe" Ryan pretending to wash already clean pots and pans at a homeless shelter. He and his entourage barged into the shelter after all the cleaning was done in order to get some photos of Lying Ryan relating to the poor. Dinner time was over and all of the clean up was done but that didn't stop Ryan from putting on an apron and pretending to scrub the side of a clean pot for the camera.

An even bigger laugh can be found in comments following this one when owen has to eat his words.

http://firstread.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/10/16/14485409-ryan-did-wash-dirty-dishes-during-soup-kitchen-visit?lite

You need to check back at FR every once in awhile.

Ya gotta wait awhile before spewing a lib talking point. They have a tendency to be a bit biased and stretched beyond even their imagination.

Jim,

Those are 8.5 days a year the rest of won't be paying for for the rest of our lives.

I say TAX 'EM!

They've been gaining wealth for 30 years while the rest of us have been muddling along with no income growth at all. they've been UNDERTAXED for a LONG TIME.

I say TAX 'EM!

and guess what? I'm one of "EM" but I think it will be best for America.

Romney 2012 - 2016

Ryan 2020 - 2024

Obama - One and done

Ed-

I bet that The President will call Romney out on every lie. He will be aggressive with a complete command of the numbers to refute Romney's assertions.

Um...that's what Obama did in the last debate. He called him out on his lies which is why he sat there silently or agreeing with him. You guys and the Obama campaign are the only ones who think Romney lies. It's your guy who lies...and deflects and blames other people.

Morg...

I said:

what freedom has Obama taken?

you replied:

Liberals in SAN RAFAEL, CA outlawed smoking............O must Go!

Right, OBAMA spearheaded that law in San Rafael! O must go! Sure.

Got anything else, like something Obama may have possibly has something to do with. It's all a myth, you know. Gun sellers love Obama! They've got you duped. It's it great to be a shill!

Close the Fed

Like Democrats like to forget that Jimmy Carter was at the top of the bottom half of President in history. Think he was great ask historians. Of the 42 presidents.

History Channel Panel ranking

20 George H.W. Bush

21 William Jefferson Clinton

22 James Earl Carter III

23 Gerald R Ford

Well, let's just see which version of Mitt Romney will show up...the once self-touted "severely conservative governor" of MA during the GOP primaries, or the more "moderate Mitt" that he now professes himself to be, backtracking on many of his earlier positions depending on his audience at any given moment...big money donors, vets, women, evangelicals, Hispanics, African-Americans, far-right wing, near-right wing and all the right-wings in between.

But have to give that boy some credit...I've never seen one candidate who could alienate multiple camps of his own party in the same election cycle quite like Romney can.

What was it that Santorum labeled him? Oh yes..."A well-oiled weather vane who often shifts his positions." And Huntsman noted that Romney a "Well lubricated weather vane." Even ol' Newt, called him a "liar who would mislead the American people if elected to the White House." McCain, four years ago, passed Mitt over for...Palin??? OUCH!!! That HAD to hurt! But it's pretty clear, even to those within his own party...whichever the wind is blowing, so blows Mitt.

http://www.columbiamissourian.com/stories/2012/02/08/santorum-labels-romney-well-oiled-weather-vane/

http://www.deseretnews.com/user/comments/705393319/Huntsman-expects-success-in-New-Hampshire-calls-Romney-a-well-lubricated-weather-vane.html

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-500202_162-57351153/gingrich-mitt-romney-is-a-liar/

I think the shape-shifting schtick is coming to an end. His own previous comments, when compared to his current stances and his myriad of..."mis-speaks", should be enough to sink the SS Mitt Romney.

What will be telling is how soon the RR campaign trots out a spokesperson to say, very quietly, that "no, what Mitt had just said wasn't really what he meant to say"...as they've done numerous times before. Which simply translates to: "he lied".

If it wouldn't be so detrimental to this country, one could almost wish the R&R boys win the election. After their only 4 years in office, Republicans would have a hard time winning any election for a decade at least.

If you stand or have stood for everything, then you stand for nothing.

No matter HOW good OBAMA T R I E S to make Himself look in this second debate.. A N D, No matter How hard Obama tries to make Romney look B A D, tonight..... The fact REMAINS, and OBAMAS B I G, Problem I S.... He STILL has to debate and RUN on His policies and His Failures.. No matter How much he tries to be "BETTER" in tonites Debate. Obama cannot change H I S RECORD Or His miserable policies to date!!

Baillie

The blind trust is an age-old ruse, if you will. You can always tell the blind trust what it can and cannot do. You can give a blind trust rules.”

What part of "you can give a blind trust rules." I.E. he cannot tell the trustee what to buy and sell, but he can write a rule that requires investments to be sold if they fall to a certain amount and what percentages of categories of risk that can and cannot be used.

You don't understand what you read. You understand what others tell you something means.

Maybe tonight Barack can talk about how Democrats passionately defend womens rights.... except for when the heat is on and you need someone like Hillary to Man-Up and take the hit?

KingK

So your argument for reelecting Obama is that even though he has screwed up and has no viable plan, others have screwed up in the past so we should let Obama slide.

no, this is what I'm saying:

the Republicans claim they can do it better even though they've already proven they couldn't even with the full control of the executive and the legislative branches

but the Republicans expect Obama to do it despite of the Grand Obstructionist Party efforts to make him a 1-term president.

More Obama/Biden lies exposed. This time by Foreign policy magazine

State Department official: Negotiations to extend U.S. troop presence in Afghanistan starting soon

Posted By Josh Rogin Tuesday, October 16, 2012 - 12:24 PM Share

Despite statements by Vice President Joe Biden, the State Department is about to begin formal negotiations over the extension of U.S. troops past 2014, a top State Department official said Tuesday.

Last week, U.S. and Afghan negotiators met in Kabul to talk about the Bilateral Security Agreement that will govern the extension of U.S. troops past 2014, when President Barack Obama said the combat mission in Afghanistan will end and the U.S. will complete the transition of the entire country to Afghan government control.

Also last week, Biden told Americans during his Oct. 11 debate with Republican vice-presidential nominee Paul Ryan that U.S. troops were leaving Afghanistan by 2014.

"We are leaving in 2014, period, and in the process, we're going to be saving over the next 10 years another $800 billion," Biden said. "We've been in this war for over a decade. The primary objective is almost completed. Now all we're doing is putting the Kabul government in a position to be able to maintain their own security. It's their responsibility, not America's."

Marc Grossman, the State Department's special representative for Afghanistan and Pakistan, explained today that's not the whole story.

Grossman said Tuesday that the point of the upcoming negotiations is to agree on an extension of the U.S. troop presence well past 2014, for the purposes of conducting counterterrorism operations and training and advising the Afghan security forces.

there is one thing romney will be able to do better than obama and biden. and that is at least look presidential!

baylie

Obama had full control of the House and Senate for two years and did not propose any solution. And the only thing being obstructed is his proposed budget that he couldn't even garner one vote in support from a single Dem, because it proposes record pace deficit spending and a $26 trillion debt. Where's the beef?

Mitt simply out classes obumbo and this debate will prove it again. We have suffered enough with the inept clown we now have in the WH and President Romney will be a welcome change.

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Barry would SELL Michelle & the girls to get back in the White House... so watch for what he pulls tonight in the debate.........

SO KIND OF LIKE SLAVERY, IS THAT WHAT YOUR SAYING. all i know is that the president has not CHANGED his position or USED slain solders to win votes, also if you were a real man you would say that right to the president, knowing how he is about HIS family I'm sure he would find a way to put you in gitmo.

intimate low on this blog!!!

TYLER YOU MUST DO SOMETHING ABOUT THIS HALF WITT!!!

if Obama would sell his kids then Romney would have one of his daughter in laws to get a abortion to win women and the white house.

It's certainly an uphill battle for Obama especially considering he has no record to promote. Obama was once quoted as saying that if you have no record to run on, attack the opponent.

Can we expect to see Obama put on a dog and pony show ala Biden hoping to obfuscate the issues with vague snappy remarks to project some illusion of winning the debate?

I can see by many posts here that the lefties are sweating this one out.

Morgs74

" What freedom has Obama taken from anybody?"

Liberals in SAN RAFAEL, CA just banned smoking in town homes and condos. Town homes and condos that you take out a loan for and pay for with your own money.

No one wants to live in a nanny state let alone country. O must Go!

How is it O's fault that people in San Rafael are banning smoking in attached housing where one person's smoke can bring lung cancer to children and adults in other units? I don't live in San Rafael but I tend to agree with them. They have the right to breathe clean air. If someone who smokes wants to kill himself that's fine with me just don't involve me in their filthy cancer causing habit. In a separated house or building where only one person or one family could be affected by the smoke go for it if it makes you feel good but not when it affects others who may not want to be affected by the smoke.

USA1967...talks about "outclassing" then calls our President "obumbo"......and a classy one you are

Sad to think you are a gen-X-er like me. We are the truly screwed--no matter who is in office, I guarantee. We are the one who will pay, not our parents, and by the time our kids are old, these financial problems will have fixed themselves (at least I hope). Right now, we're the ones in the "under 55" crosshairs. So I say "we" are together in this in all honesty. Right left, center.

To follow on my GEN-X argument.....

Dare I say to divide the left-right opposing views....that this is an OLD-YOUNG thing as much as anything else?

BOOMERS are now becoming TAKERS and will suck this country dry over the next 30 years.

How does either side deal with this?

Please discuss....

class? Mr. romney....no class, none at all. The havoc and destruction he has wreaked in ordinary people's lives is class-less.

The 1%, the upper class, is the word I would use to describe him.

Yeah, which version of Mitt Romney will show up.

The one Painted by Obama, or the one the really is Mitt Romney.

Wasn't that the problem with the last debate?

Seems the Real Mitt Romney isn't anything like the one that has been painted by Obama, the media, and the Democrats.

I just hope the questions are good tonight. All you people that claim that Obama is so great just name me one thing he has acomplished that the republicans would not have done? You want more stuff like Obama Care that will stifle new job creation and growth? Do you want the one for president that thinks you cannot make it without government help or the one that has been successful and thinks you can be too? In order for America to be successful then the people of America have to be successful. No matter who is in charge if we all just continue to sit around and wait for a handout america will fail.

How will America take care of us boomers?

There is the republicon way. Die young and die fast while we take your money.

There is the Democrat way. Enact true ACA and raise the cap on SS.

We need Republican support here people. Sign up on Newsvine. It only takes about 2 minutes. Just register, check e-mail, click validate, that sends you right into Newsvine, and you can begin posting.

Vote us up. We need thousands of you. Get your friends to do the same.

People need to see that Romney has Americas support, and your input is needed badly right now especially.

I haven't seen a Romney revival (I think it's an hallucination), but as for the Emperor's clothes; one wears magic underwear, one goes combat. Bin Laden sleeps with the fishes, Romney sleeps with Sheldon Adleson and the Koch boys, and I'll sleep better with Obama in the White House.

I'm sure the President will do fine in the discussion tonight, and each side will claim victory like after the Joe-Paul debate (even though Biden ripped Ryan a new one).

Mitt Romney claims he is running for president because he loves this country. My question is, if he loves this country so much why is he hiding his millions (or billions) of dollars in overseas accounts? If he loved this country he would keep his dollars here putting them to work for our country, and produce jobs for people. How much money does one family need? It's probably the reason he seems embarrassed and defensive about his wealth. If it was obtained fairly and was being used in the right way there would be no need to be embarrassed and his wealth would not be a topic of discussion by the public. We've had other wealthy presidents and their wealth was not an issue for so many people.

People are not jealous of his wealth, they are angry about the way he got it, the taxes he pays (or doesn't pay) on it, hiding it in overseas accounts so it's not here in the US working to help stimulate our economy, and the patronizing way he and his wife look down their noses on all the rest of us because we aren't in their financial class.

I think he's a liar, a cheat and not someone who should have ever even been nominated. Surely the Republicans could have found someone much better. Even a wealthy person who got his wealth without bankrupting companies, raiding their pension funds, outsourcing their jobs to China and firing thousands of hardworking US citizens. People like him are the ones at least partially responsible for our problems. Now he says he can fix it. Does he plan to bring back all those jobs he sent overseas? That would be a good start I guess. It won't fix the lives of those he fired, but it might help someone else.

You think Mr. Romney is a liar.

We all know Mr. Obama is a liar.

Oh, come on now! Honey Boo-Boo backs Obama.

THE HONEY BOO-BOO PRESIDENT. This is his voting base (family). The end of the world can't be too far behind.

Obama is shipping his Depends right now for the debate tonight. Ha, ha, ha

Go ROMNEY 2012!

If Obama intends to talk about what he has done to IMPROVE this country,he may as well just phone it in. If he want to talk about how he's brought the country together..a TWEET should cover that. Maybe he'll expound on his transparency...umm, no, never mind. Anybody can see thru that. Pun INTENDED. But, seeing as Obama sees himself as "eye candy", he's ready for his close up. Take THAT, George Clooney!

Time for Mitt to put the SMACK-DOWN on Obama again woot!!

Mitt, lets start it with a head-lock followed by an off the table elbow-drop! After that a power-slam followed immediately by a pile-driver. Finish it off with a middle-finger! LOL

I want to see poor old wooden-head Obama crying softly curled up in the fetal position sucking his thumb after this one! I mean, obviously he didn't learn his lesson from his first butt-whoopin!

Get ready to cry again liberals....

Romney / Ryan 2012

• Obama seeks to end Romney revival in second debate

• The article should read: " MSNBC / NBC seeks to end Romney revival in second debate".

MS in MSNBC = Microsoft. Bill Gates has way to much control over what people read.

flame thrower- NBC and Microsoft ended thier relationship a couple months ago. if you look up at the address bar it says www.nbcnews.com not msnbc.

keep up with the times....you're about 2 months behind the curve.

So, the $863 billion stimulus bill allegedly created 5 million jobs.

That's an average cost of $270,000 per job. I want my investment back. This is NOT a good return on investment.

The jobs created are predominantly minimum wage/low-no benefit jobs like retail, laborers, health care aides and temporary jobs.

Lower-paying jobs, with median hourly wages from $7.69 to $13.83, accounted for just 21% of the job losses during the recession. But they've made up about 58% of the job growth from the end of the recession in late 2009 through early 2012.

All those "shovel ready" jobs were a lie. Not only that but Barrack Hussein and his Jobs Czar, Jeff Immelt, laughed in our faces saying, "Shovel-ready was not as ... uh .. shovel-ready as we expected."

This is the Barrack Hussein recovery.

Good luck America!

ROMNEY/RYAN 2012 FOR REAL AMERICANS©

I don't care who wins the debate, neither one of them is worth wasting the time to listen to their lies.

I'm not sure who I will vote for but I am certain who I will vote against, obama/romney.

Yeah, which version of Mitt Romney will show up.

The one Painted by Obama, or the one the really is Mitt Romney.

Wasn't that the problem with the last debate?

Sorry DB...I asked first...but only because there seem to be multiple versions of the "Mitt". Remember? The one who was "for" something before he was "against" it, and the one who was "against" something before he was "for" it. I know...it does get confusing doesn't it, even for you on the right. Is there a score card you can get from his campaign so you're able to keep up with his latest take on...anything? Don't worry, there are those on the left who will take great pleasure to keep you from forgetting...no matter how hard you might want to try.

If you look closely, you'll see Mitt carrying a paintbrush of many colors...every day is a different palette for his positions. And just WHO is the REAL Mitt Romney? Don't think it was that guy on stage during the last debate...couldn't be...he walked back over some of his own positions...that interesting fantasy of his about working "closely" and in harmony with the opposition in MA (too much micro-managing), i.e. his spokesperson's refuting of his take on "pre-existing" conditions (only if you'd already continually paid for coverage - he left out that important part)...or hmmm...perhaps that was the REAL Mitt Romney?

Whoever it was, I have to give some credit to the Romney campaign staffer who found such life-like doppelganger to take his place...that person really deserves a raise.

rmoonrock...

All you people that claim that Obama is so great just name me one thing he has acomplished that the republicans would not have done?

It doesn't sound like you have an open mind, but yet I'll try. If you can put aside your ideology for a few minutes, you might focus in on the following site. I know it won't change your opinion, I don't really care to make that attempt as it's apparent you must be a disciple of that twice tried-but-failed "trickle down" economic theory, but it just may enable you to view the word "positive" in a whole new light. The R's could have very easily attempted to do some of these things, but they were so-o-o-o busy writing laws about women's health care issues, definitions of "rape", voucher systems, etc. to really make much of an effort.

I'll always wonder just how much progress Congress could have made working for the benefit of the whole country in a bi-partisan manner if only the R's weren't so focused on their own "we must make Obama fail" agenda, a la that poster-boy, Mitch McConnell. Two years gone, with little to show for it, except a lot of public in-fighting within the GOP between the various factions...Tea Party, conservative, war hawks...there just doesn't seem to be any room left for a "moderate" Republican. Truly...a vanishing breed, quite possibly an endangered species.

http://planetpov.com/2011/02/13/a-short-list-of-pres-obamas-accomplishments/

Debora...

You think Mr. Romney is a liar.

I can only go by the first-hand documented historical examples created by the lad himself. So, yes I do...because he has. Just one little sample...you might remember this little pearl:

"He did not cause this recession, but he made it worse.", and then later, he said:

"He didn't create the recession, but he made it worse and longer."

But then he moon-walked when asked about that and stammered:

"I didn't say that things are worse."

Oh, but yes he did say that...twice...and then he lied about what he'd said.

JBuford...

OBAMA has just PRE-APPROVED all LATIN AMERICANS for US CITIZENSHIP while DEFERRING all US troops from getting benefits for the next 20 years.

My, my, my...such a conspicuous lack of any factual supporting evidence for your uttering. OK...I'll ask the rhetorical question: Got proof? You've only got one chance to prove it, so do try and make the best of it. Oh...and no conspiracy theories, ok? They never work out well for you on the right anyway.

But it does say something when so many of your competitors within the same party (sour grapes aside), seem to view your primary "winner" with equal amounts of disdain.

Grandma- If I had that kind of money, I'd have it offshore too. Until we get rid of the IRS and instate a fair tax plan or a national sales tax, no one's money is safe from being plundered to fund failed public assistance programs and this ridiculous healthcare plan.

And comparing the last few years to the Great Depression is apples and oranges. How many of you had to wait in line for hours for a rationed loaf of bread? Still, I find it reprehensible that the media and administration conveniently begin to report gains in employment and reduction of the debt a month before the elections.

Brandon....

comparing the last few years to the Great Depression is apples and oranges. How many of you had to wait in line for hours for a rationed loaf of bread?

Exactly, Bush and the trickle-down Republicans started, and Obama stopped, the second Great Depression. Bush, had he been in office for 3 more years, would have been Herbert Hoover. Obama saved you from the bread lines.

That reminds me.....

Haven't Democrats always cleaned up after Republicans?

Hoover: Roosevelt

Reagan/Bush: Clinton

Bush II: Obama

Obama just hasn't had time yet.... Roosevelt had 15, Clinton 8, but Obama less than 4...

I'll bet things will be just fine in 4 years with Obama. Is that what you're afraid of?

"Remarks by the President
But most of all, I want to congratulate and thank all the men and women of A123 Systems. You guys are making us proud. The work you're doing will help power the American economy for years to come."
Hmm, chapter 11 bankruptcy, another $200 million of taxpayer money down the drain. Just another bump in the road that we have to travel. "Another one bites the dust". Do you suppose that it will come up in tonight's debate?

http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2010/09/13/remarks-president-phone-call-recovery-act-advanced-battery-grant-recipie

A green energy manufacturer that got $129 million in government stimulus money filed for bankruptcy protection on Tuesday

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/10/16/green-energy-company-that-got-240m-in-stimulus-likely-headed-toward-bankruptcy/#ixzz29VN0tk2M

It sort of reminds me of what everet dirksen once said, "A billion here, a billion there and the first thing you know, you are talking real money."

american-400792

flame thrower- NBC and Microsoft ended thier relationship a couple months ago. if you look up at the address bar it says www.nbcnews.com not msnbc.

keep up with the times....you're about 2 months behind the curve.

They are both under the control of Bill Gates though, lot of good it does for them to seperate when the same guy is pulling all the strings.

Besides, if that is entirely true, how come all I have to do is scroll down while on MSNBC and click on NBC then ?

MSNBC, NBC, one and the same. Two common goals; profit, and to get Obama elected. Big fail on the later.

Sen. Tom Coburn's annual Wastebook comes up with $18 billion of spending that never should have occurred, with an eye to getting Washington priorities back in line. The No. 1 wasteful item: $132 million to run a Congress that won't say no to waste.

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/DC-Decoder/2012/1016/From-the-Wastebook-robotic-squirrels-talking-urinals-and-Congress/(page)/2

This is not just about democrats or republicans, this is just the way government is. The only way to reduce government waste is to reduce the government. The more money it can take from you and me, the more it will lose to theft, graft and stupidity. Ron Paul has the answer.

wow, flamethrower has hit a new low of teabugger stupidity. But he won't stay the winner for long.

These debates are useless. Romney's gonna stand there and lie for an hour straight. The only question is: will Obama be polite or will he fight back? But if he goes out of character and fights back, Romney will simply say. "That's not what I meant."

After all, Romney has done the almost impossible: With his constant flips, flops, and self-contradictions, he has demonstrated that everything he has said, everything he is saying, and everything he will say is probably, with a 99.5% probability, a lie.

John Kennedy-"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable."

The Romney plutocrats may well feel the truth of those words.

Amazing the number of posters here that have signed up in the last two weeks. Is that a sign a desperation setting in? Have they just now realized that their Mother Ship Fox does not let them comment? Or maybe they just appreciate a liberal forum that lets them rant their foolishness. They seem to have learned their craft from their candidate.

All Romney has to do is talk to the the American people.

It is humorous to me when so many keep calling Romney a lier on things he didn't say or simply wasn't clear enough on. When he clarifies and fills in the blanks so everyon can get a better understanding of his position he gets called a lier. So many times the Democratic party spouts off wrong information so much you all beleive ti to be true when in fact it is the Democrats lying about Romney and when Romney makes clear they are he is suddenly the one who has lied. Such BS.

Yes he has changed some stanses as has Obama and every human on the planet. the only way Obama can beat Romeny is to paint him as bad because Obama has no good record to show us after 4 years but Government run health insurance and extreme debt.

SmBusOwnerinNY

Exactly, Bush and the trickle-down Republicans started

Hmmmm, so let me ax you a simple question my good wind-turbine friend.

What do you call it when our government takes $863 billion of borrowed money and pours it into the top of our dysfunctional government and expects it to "trickle down" to the private sector?

You remember don't you? It was supposed to "trickle down" to all those "shovel ready jobs" that turned out to be another one of Barrack Husseins lies, wasn't it?

Obama saved you from the bread lines.

Is this per the same "economists" who never even saw the crisis approaching?

I thought so.

ROMNEY/RYAN 2012 FOR REAL AMERICANS©

There isn’t really a Moderate Mitt; what is on display now is
better described as Convenient Mitt. Anyone willing to advocate extremism to
raise money and win primaries is likely to do the same to stay in office.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/13/opinion/the-moderate-mitt-myth.html?_r=0

Check this out! This is the real RobMe/lyin Ryan tax plan! :D

http://www.romneytaxplan.com/

Why ANY woman would vote for the Romney/Ryan ticket goes way beyond belief. Really. Why would ANY woman want to be told what she CAN and CAN NOT do with her body just doesn't make any sense. For men, our insurance picks up the tab for our "little blue pills" otherwise known as, VIAGRA. And if we need more meds for erectile dysfunction, we're covered. If we need "massage" toys to get us in the mood, or for whatever, yes ma'am, our insurance covers that, too. But, for you of the "Gentler Sex", Romney/Boy WanderLies and the rest of the GOP will not only take away your right to YOUR body, you will NOT have insurance coverage on birth control pills, estrogen replacement pills, and certainly NOT "in the mood" toys!

And what about EQUAL PAY for EQUAL WORK? The military has EQUAL PAY for EQUAL RANK; why should the civilian workforce be any different? Answer--It shouldn't. Thing is, men were NEVER the sole "bread winner." There were always women fending for themselves and their children throughout history. Always. Don't you think it's time to set things right? Isn't it time that pay be "Gender-less"? I'm just sayin'.

If you women are happy being "Second Class" then by all means, vote for the Romney/Ryan ticket. If you want a bunch of white, pompous, (women-should-be-barefoot-and-pregnant") rich men telling you what to do with your body, then by all means, vote the Romney/Ryan ticket. This is America, land of "free choice"...sort of.

The questions the I have ... why does Obama continue to hide that he is a devout Muslim. Does he think that lowly of Americans that he needs to hide that part of his life and pretend to be a Christian ?

Another question I have is regarding his homosexuality ... a lot us know Obama liked to frequent the Gay Bath Houses in Chicago and has a Life Membership to " Man's Country ". Americans are fair minded people and most people are ok with Homosexuals.

another question I have ... if we give President Obama a mulligan for his absolute failed first term as President would he continue to use the Economic Marxist Communist policy that have never worked in the last 100 years they've been around and are responsible for the deaths of over 200,000,000 people or would he use the soundly successful free market economic policies. Policies that have promoted Freedom and Economic gains thoughout history of the last 250 years.

Seig Hiel Obama Der Furher

JMagnum Why would any woman vote for Obama, especially the "typical white woman"? as your oh so mighty god likes to refer to women of no color. Instead of the great unifier he is the great divider

RobMe's 12 million job MYTH.. Yep, the CONman who know his sucker base will fall for it and will defend his sick azz.

The Romney campaign has already used this study, in a misleading way, to claim that Obama’s China “policies
cost us 2 million jobs.” Now the campaign has just taken the same figure and
credited the claimed job gain to itself, even though the report does not examine
any of Romney’s proposed policies.
“The big point is the 3+7+2 does not make up the 12
million jobs in the first four years (different source of growth and different
time period),” Hubbard acknowledged in an e-mail.

The Pinocchio Test

This is a case of bait-and-switch. Romney, in his convention speech, spoke
of his plan to create “12 million new jobs,” which the campaign’s white paper
describes as a four-year goal.

But the candidate’s personal accounting for this figure in this campaign ad
is based on different figures and long-range timelines stretching as long as a
decade — which in two cases are based on studies that did not even evaluate
Romney’s economic plan. The numbers may still add up to 12 million, but they
aren’t the same thing — not by a long shot.

In many ways, this episode offers readers a peek behind a campaign wizard’s
curtain — and a warning that job-creation claims by any campaign should not be
accepted at face value. The white paper at least has the credibility of four
well-known economists behind it, but the “new math” of this campaign ad does not
add up.

As readers know, we tend to judge more harshly claims in prepared speeches
or ads that were the result of considered discussion by political aides.

Clearly, some clever campaign staffer thought it would be nice to match up
poll-tested themes such as “energy independence,” “tax reform” and “cracking
down on China” with actual job numbers. We just find it puzzling that Romney
agreed to personally utter these words without asking more questions about the
math behind them.

Four Pinocchios

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/mitt-romneys-new-math-for-jobs-plan-doesnt-add-up/2012/10/15/fd1d1e1c-170f-11e2-a55c-39408fbe6a4b_blog.html

google: obama october surprise iran

I have been a successful recreational fisherman for years that only targets the number and quality of fish suitable for the dinner table because I realize the value of a healthy meal. The fish themselves spend their entire lives following this creed. I could never understand the principle of catch and release. The shock, torture and handling of these creatures ultimately kills most of them even as they eagerly swim away. Why would anybody spend the time and money for a fishing expedition to torture many live creatures of Mother Earth only in search of an impressive trophy? The most advanced and intelligent species on Earth dare call this sportsmanship.

I liken this to today's political climate. Romney was born and raised in a world alien to most of us just as a fisherman's deck is foreign to a his captive prey. His constant catch and release has killed the hopes and dreams of many as he continues to gather enormous trophies to hang on his wall. His latest quest for the United States Presidency is simply another catch and release attempt for his (perceived) greatest trophy. Those that suffer and die in his wake are of no more consequence than the many that have fallen at his hands in the past. That is why he is constantly and rapidly switching his bait and tackle.

We can only hope that his nemesis manages to trap and drown the trophy hunter (in his own nets) tonight to prevent further torture of average American families. The presidency is not a trophy. It is the highest honor bestowed on a worthy man to serve his fellow citizens.