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Such requests are at odds with Ryan's public persona as a small-government advocate and tea party favorite who has pledged to tighten Washington's belt.
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Rep. Paul Ryan, R-Wisc., during the vice presidential debate at Centre College Oct. 11, 2012, in Danville, Ky.
The Associated Press reviewed 8,900 pages of correspondence between Ryan's congressional office and more than 70 executive branch agencies that it obtained under the U.S. Freedom of Information Act. They showed that for 12 years as a member of Congress, Ryan has sought from the federal government money and benefits that in some cases represent the kinds of largess and specific programs he is now campaigning against.
Related: Ryan wades deep into lengthy Afghanistan argument
As Mitt Romney's running mate, Ryan calls those kinds of handouts big-government overreaching. He tells crowds he supports smaller government and rails against what he calls Obama's wasteful spending, including the president's $800 billion stimulus program.
"The stimulus was a case of political patronage, corporate welfare and cronyism at their worst," Ryan said during his acceptance speech at the Republican National Convention. "You, the working men and women of this country, were cut out of the deal."
And during Thursday's vice presidential debate, Ryan said the stimulus amounted to "$90 billion in green pork to campaign contributors and special-interest groups."
But Ryan's constituents benefited from stimulus spending and other government-assistance programs, according to AP's review. Ryan once told federal regulators that cutting a stimulus grant for a town in his district at the 11th hour would be "economically devastating."
Much of Ryan's correspondence is similar to other lawmakers performing constituent duties, describing problems that residents have reported. They include requests such as assisting a family missing airline baggage and helping a man who didn't receive a pancake maker he had ordered.
Related: Biden plays aggressor in debate as Ryan argues GOP case
But in other correspondence, Ryan explicitly supports programs and encourages federal agencies to take actions. He supported in his congressional letters some Wisconsin farms' share of an $11.8 million loan guarantee, but later criticized other loan guarantees, such as the $535 million loan that went to now-defunct solar panel maker Solyndra. He asked transportation officials for a grant for green technology and alternative fuels, although his proposed budget as House budget chairman called loans for electric car development "corporate welfare."
He's also supported federal money to help a Kenosha, Wis., community center cover health care costs of low-income families under Obama's health care reform law — the very program he and Romney say they will repeal if they win the White House.
NBC's Domenico Montanaro recaps the vice presidential debate between Joe Biden and Paul Ryan. Instant polls after the debate showed a split decision among voters about the winner.
Ryan spokesman Brendan Buck said AP's findings represented a member of Congress helping people in his district. "Part of being a congressman is vouching for constituents and helping them navigate the federal bureaucracy when asked," he said.
Among the ways Ryan went to bat for his constituents, as detailed in his correspondence:
—A Kenosha, Wis., community center's grant proposal under the Food Stamps Access Research program, to educate families about the nutritional benefits of food stamps. Ryan said in a 2002 letter the program would increase the enrollment of eligible individuals in the program by providing laptop computers to pre-screen applicants. Ryan's budget proposed cutting food stamps by $134 billion over 10 years, although his spokesman said he "has always made clear we need a strong safety net."
—Letters offering support or forwarding requests for projects funded by stimulus money. Ryan's May 2009 letter to a regional Environmental Protection Agency office asked for its "full consideration" in awarding grant money to an organization under the National Clean Diesel Funding Assistance Program, which reduces diesel emissions.
Ryan also wrote to the EPA in 2009 on behalf of a small town trying to secure $550,000 in stimulus money for utility repairs. Ryan, whose staff requested meetings with the EPA about the matter, said the rescinding of the grant "would be economically devastating" to Sharon, Wis., since it already began spending the money. (The EPA said project costs were incurred before October 2008, making the project ineligible for stimulus cash.) Ryan has also voiced support for millions in EPA grant money to clean up abandoned building sites in Wisconsin towns.
Former Ohio governor Ted Strickland, D-Ohio, talks about vice president Joe Biden's debating skills.
—A 2002 Department of Agriculture loan guarantee to develop a pork-packing and processing plant for farms in the region, including some in his district. The new factory appeared to be "state of the art" and worthy of funding, he said, adding: "It is my hope that the USDA will reach a favorable decision" on the application for a 60 percent federal loan guarantee toward a $19.7 million loan.
—A Kenosha health center's request to use money under Obama's new health care law to help meet health care needs of "thousands of new patients" who lack coverage. Ryan's December 2010 letter to the Department of Health and Human Services, first reported by the Nation magazine and also obtained by the AP, appears at odds with his pledge to repeal "Obamacare."
—Support for a grant for the Historical Society in Milton, Wis., from the National Park Service for $271,000 in order to preserve a Civil War-era home. Ryan supported the plan in 2002, saying historical artifacts inside the former transfer point for slaves "have aged to a point where aggressive preservation and restoration is needed to save them." Meanwhile, he's supported recent cuts to the federal budget that would invariably affect national parks.
View Ryan's correspondence here.
The AP obtained requested documents from nearly every executive branch agency, although many have been slow to provide any relevant files. Some Obama administration agencies declined AP's request to quickly turn over materials even though they involve an election that's just weeks away.
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Again Mitt is wrong. The statement that our economy is just fine, is totally incorrect.
Are we on the precipice or on the brink of disaster? I think not.
Once President Barack Obama is re-elected, you can count on American Jobs due to American Energy & the new emerging markets.
It only makes sense that foreign oil does not want American Energy.
On Nov 6, 2012 you will be part responsible of History's American great economic upsurge.
The choice is yours. The pivot of our great nation will be because American's believe in American Energy, being self reliant.
God bless us all.
Who're you talking to? No one gives a rat's arse about any of these comments. And if you think continued pursuit of Obama's totally misguided community-organizer "economics" is putting this country on the right track, you are dead wrong.
Your right. Nov. 6th is a big decision that's why Americans should not waste their vote on someone who has proven to be a failure.
This "American Energy" you speak of, would this be the now bankrupt green energy programs that Pres. Obama poured billions into. In most cases "Green Energy" is know to be very cost inefficient. That's why its near impossible to make a profit from it. In some cases people who invest in solar panels in their home will die before they get a return on their investment. I know we love our environment, but we have bills to pay. Stupid investments will not help anyone.
BTW, before you guys go on your desperate "Romney/ Ryan are liars!!" rampage. Lets look at some real facts, and see who is the true compulsive liar.
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/history_lesson/2008/08/the_write_stuff.html?fb_ref=sm_fb_plugin_activity
Failed as Governor and failed as a Congressman. Obama wins!
If one eats all the cows, goats and chickens, one has no milk and eggs, and no more cows, goats and chickens. Then you starve with a belly full of greed.
Burn the coal, burn the oil, ruin the air and wait for alt energy to become profitable, or, be proactive and survive.
And that, folks, is why Joe Biden was 'smirking/laughing' whatever you want to call it - because he knew the vice-mayor of 'Bullsh*@ Mountain' was spewing crap.
A123 Systems...... $241.1-million grant from the Obama administration.... another $125 million in tax credits from Michigan......
And now it's owned by a Chinese billionaire........... good move Barry...........
Failed as Governor and failed as a Congressman. Obama wins!
Pres. Obama has failed the entire nation with bad investments, and failed foreign policy.
What happened in Lybia? Oh that was somehow the Republicans fault? Event though after the budget cuts, they still managed to get the men in Tripoli, which they later pulled out against the advice of Lt. Colonel Andrew Woods (google him, you'll learn a lot). BTW the funding for the troops came from DOD not from the "Embassy" funding, so the cuts we're irrelevant, and they happened nearly a year before The State Department (headed by Hillary Clinton) pulled the troops out of Tripoli and Lybia. The Lt. Colonel requested that troops be sent to guard the Ambassador, but the State Department (run by Hillary Clinton) said he had a safe haven to retreat to so he didn't need the protection. This "Safe Haven" is where he ran to, and is where he ultimately perished. But the democrats pulled their usual B.S. Deny, Deny, Deny and find some way to blame the Republicans.
And don't get me stated on the economy, we all know how that turned out.
Americans deserve more than what they have had to bear for the last for years. Pres. Obama must go.
Sister and Brother Americans, You watched Lyin'Ryan Discharge all of his
spiritual vitriol Lying at Biden and the national media;Except Biden, AS WE DO,
see through EddiMunster's RUSE. Ryan's budget cuts to "balance the budget"? School
cuts, food cuts, national service cuts, NO MORE MEDICARE, You Sick? Die Quick!!!, and NO MORE SOCIAL SECURITY: These Evil B@$T@RD$ Have to pay for New and Profitable Wars at American's Expense.. BUT! BUT!! THIS LYINGB@$TARD wants to
extend EVEN MORE Tax Evasion Bonuses for his masters, THE EVIL RICH
republicanCrimeCartel. This Treasonous criminal and his "boss of bosses", Rommel, makes
The Mafia look like Mary Poppins. Their aristocrat/elitist power bosses ARE THE
B@$T@RDS who raised gas to $4.60p/g, Retarded Hiring so jobs are scarce, Created
the insurance company "health care" Gold Mine for the thieving healthcare
insurance industry, AS Rommel's pal AT united healthcare TOOK HOME FOR 2008
SALARY! $128,000,000 *C A S H* for That year ALONE!! while united healthcare PAID policyholders
were denied and died.You know what? OUR America, the most advanced country in
the world, DOES NOT HAVE A UNIVERSAL HEALTHCARE SYSTEM,
so as to leave WE Americans at the mercy of the health insurance SHARKS like united heathcare, IS
A NATIONAL DISGRACE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You Know what I saw in this latest debate?
I saw paul ryan, as the pathetic puppet doing the LYING and Bidding for his EVIL
EVIL Aristocrat/Elitist 1-10% Rich and Corporate Rich Bosses. You KNOW How This Aristocrat bunch were Disposed of during the French Revolution in 1790? With a FINAL Date With THE MADAM. Here is a Very Very Very helpful link you wil find both interesting, amusing and
insightful.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=og35U0d6WKY&feature=player_detailpage
You watched Lyin'Ryan Discharge all of his spiritual vitriol Lying at Biden and the national media
Hmmm. You must have missed my link. I refer you to my earlier post. Biden is a proven liar and plagiarist. That's why he dropped his 1988 campaign. He got busted by the media. Here's the link in case you missed it.
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/history_lesson/2008/08/the_write_stuff.html?fb_ref=sm_fb_plugin_activity
While more recent requests for federal aid are fair game, those from a decade ago have no basis as proof of Ryan being a flip flopper on the issue. As you may or may not recall, 10 years ago the national debt was a fraction of what it is now, and the economy was going full blast, concern for the national debt was virtually nonexistent. It would be like worrying about a flood while standing in a dry creek bed, the debt just wasn't a big issue back then to the vast majority of politicians.
They don't call him Lyin' Ryan for nothing. Shameless.
To John Doe: And YOU, JoeDoe, sat there and ATE UP ALL THE Caca D' Toro that EddiMunster was pitching. And when You, joe doe, go to the polls to do the bidding of this Aristocrat/elitist bunch, thinking your vote will make them remember you and your family, You KNOW what their thanks will be?? A Quick and Final Flushing down the toilet as they laugh at you joe doe. This EVIL and VILE aristocrat BUNCH are the same as before the French Revolution, When The French People Justly dealth with this Sociopathic bunch with A Final Date With THE MADAM. Joe Doe...Please!! Don't be their fool/puppet. They DON'T give a flea's fart for you and your family, they just want you to pull the lever to elect themBack into Power like with KingGeorge TheVacuumBrained during his Shamefully Notorious Shrubber Reign 2001-2008. Lyin'Ryan's Budget Balance?? Out of your pocket joe doe. And as far as VPBiden Not dotting his i s or crossing his Ts?, NOT IMPORTANT. What is Important is what He wants to Accomplish NOW: HELP AMERICA GET WELL AGAIN
He is also a friend of lying Mitt. How can two walk together unless they agree, says the Bible.
Lyin Ryan is such a HYPOCRITE! Busted for the selfish SOB ("selfish" is "good" according to his hero Ayn Rand) that he obviously is!
Hurling insults at Obama for stimulus and then BEGGING Joe for some of the money!!! What a tool!!
So Ryan requested pork for a pork packing plant!
John Doe-2241225...I would have to assume after reading your rant on Obama that you consider it fine for Ryan to go after the very funds he and Romney are now wanting to kill off.
I expect any Congressman who's working for me to do their best to get as much Federal dollars back to his state as he can. After all, it was taken out of the states in the first place.
Can't compare $11.8MM in farm loans to billions (in total) given to failed solar companies and a battery plant. Nice little spin for your lemmings, MSNBC. Nothing on Carlos Slim, a TOP BO DONOR, getting billionaire richer w/the Obamaphone? Oh but BO & Joe Blow hate the rich. Show me a poor politician in the WH, Senate, and Congress! HYPOCRITES
Did you notice that when Joe Biden said Ryan had personally asked for stimulus funds, how Lyin Ryan looked like the proverbial deer-in-the-headlights???
Joe did a terrific job in the debates, and didn't let a single lie that Ryan told get by without a rebuttal. While Ryan didn't make any "47%" head-slappers, he looked like a young, inexperienced kid compared to Joe.
TO: John Doe-2241225 who wrote:
Hold on now, what owners of Solyndra did was a classic Mitt Romney vulture capitalist move, and is exactly how Mitt made his millions: Bought a company (let's just call it "Solyndra"), took out a huge loan in the company's name, pocketed all the money from the loan, laid off all the workers, liquidated the business, and then filed for bankruptcy so that Romney wouldn't have to pay back the loan. Classic.
On the one hand that pisses you off, on the other hand you're ready to make the guy who did that kind of work for a living POTUS? Well if you did that, YOU'D be making a "bad investment".
Obama/Biden 2012
American Girl, your logic is so twisted its not even funny. The lame excuses Dems keep throwing out for their beloved candidate only shows how truly desperate they are, and when they run out of excuses they just start hurling insults and unfounded accusation.
TO: Brian-1075075 who wrote:
And then if somebody else does that same thing you call it "a welfare hand out", you call the person a whole lot of nasty names, followed by a whole lot of hate speech.
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TO: John Doe-2241225 who wrote:
What? I laid it out as plain as the nose on your face and you still don't understand how that "Bain Capital" scheme works?
Well, if that's the case, you're the one with the "twisted logic".
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John Doe, well they need to give you a reason to complain. If they stop you won't have any material to b***ch about. You will always find something to b***ch about honestly. You really should practice what you preach, don't you think, otherwise, the alternative would be to shut it.
Lyin Ryan not only talks out of both sides of his mouth, he talks from BOTH mouths that are part of BOTH faces.
Of course Ryan asked for Federal dollars while saying those dollars need to be cut. That is the base of the problem. "If I get the money it is well spent. If someone I don't like gets the money it's a waste". Ron Paul earmarked all kinds of wasteful spending like bike racks and decorative street lights for his district. All the while being the "champion of smaller government". The pork and waste is easily hidden in every bill. That's the problem. Bills are written that contain spending that has nothing to do with the original bill. Stuff like a defense spending bill that also includes $5 million for a pig poop museum in Iowa.
AmericanGirl-
Actually, I don't and I challenge you to find anything I've said of that kind, ever. You seem to be projecting someone else's opinions onto me and spreading a lot of your own hate around with it.
That is the reason we call him "Lying Ryan" here in Janeville!
Dottoies girl,
You got your numbers confused. You meant millions not gillions!
Brian, when I used the pronoun "you" I was referring to Republicans in general, and it doesn't matter to me if you're one or not.
This is NOT your personal, private bulletin board, you know.
So, if you're going to be that sensitive and/or that nasty when someone makes a comment about something you wrote, I suggest you stay off of such boards as this one, because if you say something that someone else disagrees with, they just may point that out to you again, and we don't need no "girly man whinning, tear drops falling, "Oh, I got my feelings hurt", etc." going on here.
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"do as I say, not as I do"
Personifies the Romney / Ryan campaign of lies and "he really didn't mean that" statements by his staff when the lie is so egregious to chalk up to a misstatement. Romney and Ryan should be running for Pres and Vice Pres of Bullsh*t Mountain, not the US. Over at BS Mountain where 2+2= whatever is convenient they would be considered hero's. Look at all of the single digit IQ's visiting from said mountain right now trying to defend these 2 sociopaths. Here's an idea, Romney, Ryan and all of their supports can self deport to "Bullsh*t Nation" and have their way with those they've convinced to vote against their own self interests while the rest of us pick up where Clinton left off.....
American Girl- I'm not a Republican, haven't been since Reagan embraced Jerry Falwell's "Moral Majority" (which was neither) endorsement in 1979. That does not keep me from taking a rational approach to issues of taxation, particularly the inefficiency of cycling funds through the Federal Government middle man under one program or another only to send the money back to the states from whence it came.
TO: Brian-1075075 who wrote:
Since when did "pork barrel spending" become a "rational approach to issues of taxation"?
TO: Devils son who wrote:
Dang, even Sarah "The Bimbo" Palin wasn't THAT corrupt!
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The best way to eliminate the pork barrel is to leave that money in the state in the first place. Then the special little state projects could be funded locally rather than asking for money for them through the Federal budget.
TO: Brian-1075075 who wrote:
Every American has to pay Federal Taxes, and THAT money must be sent to the Federal Government.
It's Congressmen like Paul Ryan who like to load up certain Federal Government spending bills with Pork Barrell Spending on their pet projects for his home state that the Teagaggers promised they were going to put an end to but which Paul Ryan is still taking full advantage of!
If his state needed the money to feed the people, which is what Paul Ryan said the money was for, then why on earth should he criticize the President of the United States for helping the people of Wisconsin, and bend over backwards to label it as being "wrong", and then campaigning on ending that program that was so desperately needed by Wisconsinites!
Republicans are the world's biggest hypocrits!
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This is really an election for the future of America. A future when everybody has a chance to become more or a future where the 1% take it all. A future when greed and stupidity are the virtues of our government. The religious right have join this un-holy alliance so they can get all of their culture war issues resolved the way they like. The voters have to choose who the believe. Last night's debate was a look at how really Romney/Ryan believe they can win. They will say anything to get people to believe them regardless if it is true or not. That is our question, who do we believe, Ryan stands up and says that he hates the stimulus money, that it is driving us over the cliff, and we will end like Greece, but he doesn't say he applied for the money every chance he got. Which makes him a total HYPOCRITE, but I guess that's okay if he's your guy, and his nick name lyin' Ryan seems appropriate. So to be clear, the Romney/Ryan ticket is perfect in a facts optional universe. I'm not so sure it will go well or work for us with them leading our country in a facts based universe.
I hear they may be casting a new Dick Tracy movie. Romney and Ryan are both trying for the role of Two-Face.
Republicans are all about fiscal responsiblilty when trying to get elected.
When they govern, they do the opposite, blow the budget, and dig deeper into the pit of debt. Clinton fixed the Reagan/HWBush mess, but that was miniscule compared to the financial mess left by WBush.
Obama will continue to fix it even with his hands tied by the Republican House. It could be done faster with a Democratic super-majority or at least Republicans willing to work for the Country, instead of just for themselves.
Guys... why waste your time trying to explain logic to a redumblicans? It's like trying to play chess with a pidgeon. On your first move they will jump on the board, flap their wings in panic, throw all the pieces away and fly away thinking that they won...
People please get out and vote and tell all of your friends to do the same..If Lying Ryan and Romney get in the whitehouse, this country is going to be in big trouble...There's a lot in stake in this election...Lying Ryan was drinking all of that water last night because all of those lies he was telling was getting stuck in his throat...I can't even begin to imagine him being president if Romney got elected and then something happened to him..That's a scary thought...President Obama has the economy growing and these aholes want to get in office so they can take credit for all of the progress after their party almost destroyed this economy...Republicons are despicable.....
Oh it goes a lot deeper than that. This is the new Neo-conservative/Corporatist game plan for the American Dream ... I got mine now I pull the ladder up. That way I don't have to share it with anyone.
News Flash: Paul Ryan is just another politician ... just like all the other people running -- well, maybe not as smart as some that wouldn't have set themselves up like that on national television. Note that Michelle Bachmann is worse: she makes an outrageous fuss about the stimulus program, but was only too happy to request it for her district on several occasions and pose for photos when it was granted. Her family farm has received more than $250K in farm subsidies to let their land lay fallow. I don't think it matters one bit what party they are affiliated with, politicians don't get to be politicians without knowing how to work a system to their advantage.
I don't think I can knock Ryan for trying to help his constituents, but like I said, he's not very bright if he made requests that were a matter of (obvious) public record and then didn't have a rationale for his conflicting positions .... hey, maybe that's why M.T. Suit picked him in the first place.
This is typical of the Romney/ Ryan smoke and mirrors agenda, while they characterize nearly half of Americans as irresponsible government mooches, they themselves stand in line with their hands out.
By the way, Romney himself is one of the 47% he chastised for not paying federal income tax. While Romney has paid around 13% capital gains tax on millions in return on investments, he has not paid any federal income tax since he resigned as CEO of Bain Capital and put his holdings in a blind trust in 1999. That is why Romney refuses to release hard copies of his tax returns, they will reveal he has paid no federal income tax for several years, and was one of the 4000 Americans who received amnesty from the IRS to pay settlement taxes on the $3 million he had stashed in a Swiss bank account.........Electing Romney to the office of president is the same as giving Bush/Cheney a third term......god forbid
So Ryan had his hand out when the stimulus package was passed. That wouldn't be so bad if he never criticized it. I remember that some of the Republican governors refused the stimulus money to try to make Obama look bad so why didn't Ryan if he wasn't a hypocrite?
Ryan, like all other Republicans, doesn't want to pay for social services with his tax dollars so let him pay for the wars, defense spending, and Bush's borrowed money and use my tax dollars for social services. Simple...case closed.
What a two-faced idiot.
When his true persona comes out with close buddies and the party, he says "30% of Americans are takers"
Same thing with Romney.
Behind closed doors, he doesnt give a rat's ass about 47% of Americans, but in public, "oh yeah, I care about all 100%"....can you believe these 2 schticks?
Vote Obama 2012
Gee-- a Republican saying one thing then doing another!!! This is news?? It's been going on for at least 30 years. They say they want to cut spending, then turn a surplus into a deficit. They say they're for small government then expand government. They say they're for personal freedom they want to spy on people, tell them what kind of birth control to use, what to read, what to watch on TV. Republican and hypocrite are interchangeable terms.
As I watch and listen to Romney, I am reminded of the old Claymation TV character "Gumby", who could be put into any position, because he was made of clay and moldable. I'm not sure what Romney is made of, but it's not good material for anyone who wants to be President of the USA. Just for fun, look up the meaning of "panderer". If Mitt ever gets elected, he'll be Panderer in Chief, instead of "Commander in Chief".
Steve-446003 was seen hacking up this:
The deal hasn't even gone through yet, and if it does, the chinese company will have a stake and no more than 4 members on the board. the company will remain a US company. This is just another right wingnut half or mis-truth.
John Doe..."Slate.com" is no more than a tabloid newspaper that puts humor and fiction into its articles. Perhaps you need to learn how to distinguish from what is a credible news source and other reference materials before making a fool of yourself. They taught this in grammar school when I was growing up. It was stressed in high school and if you are like me, you went on for a few college degrees where being able to distinguish credible resources was expected.
Ryan is yet another career politician/crook that took over this country's government.
Why does NBC put a positive spin on everything for Democrats?
Biden looked like an angry foolish old man last night. Not bringing the heat. He laughed at everything Ryan said. Now that is real mature and not what we are looking for in a VP.
"When a wise person debates with a fool, the fool rages and laughs, and there is no peace and quiet"
I'd rather have a bombastic VP that calls out the lies than one who can't keep track of which lie he is currently telling.
I'd rather have a VP that does not advocate pushing his religion down my throat. A vote for the christian right is a vote for their version of "sharia" law.
Why does AnotherMiddleClass use straw man arguments so much?
When a Tea Bagger misquotes the bible they look like a fool. :)
AnotherMC,
And how did you feel about Romney's rudeness and bullying Obama and the moderator last week? That was ok in your book? But not for Biden?
Are you high? Ryan got his ass whipped last night, and soooo many are calling it a tie. Quit crying and go read Faux news if you don't like NBC.
Biden didn't spank the liar enough. He should have laid it on a little thicker. He seemed to have tried to get every available pork there was for his district then turned around and cut them out of his budget. It is so Republican to use government programs to succeed, and then lock the door on others as soon as they are successful.
I agree, Ryan's pork-barrel hypocrisy is almost as glaring as his lies.
NBC is OWNED by the DNC
REPUBLICANS ARE HYPOCRITES!!!
The reality is, Republicans are hypocrites! They complain about various forms of "corporate welfare" when the democrats spend, but have nothing whatsoever to say when Republicans dole out billions in corporate welfare to Halliburton, defense contractors, prescription drug companies, etc. It is appropriate to call Ryan, a supposed deficit/budget "hawk," on all of the perks, freebies, and welfare he has attempted to get for his own constituents. If anyone thinks the election of Romney/Ryan will reduce the "corporate welfare" out there, you are a MORON. It will simply be re-routed to THEIR favorites. Ryan, after all, supported the unfunded Medicare prescription drug program, two unpaid-for-wars, and W's stimulus packages. He isn't a hawk at all when it's Republicans wanting to waste money.
Ryan looked like a thumb-sucking toddler on the stage last night. Couldn't hold his own.
And Steve-446003 is pwnd by the RWNJs!
And the RNC is OWNED by Fox (not)News...woof, woof.
Most of the RNC fall on their knees and flatten their foreheads on the floor whenever Rush Limbaugh walks amongst them.
Ha ha ha ha ha. Wining like a little girl.
I just love it when we toy with REPTARDS
They get so upset.
Then the Polls through them a bone.
Then they get all cocky.
Then when Obama takes that bone away…next debate.
We can toy with them all over again.
It like having our own puppets on a string.
Just like last elections, yo yo time.
WHAT A GREAT TIME TO BE A DEMACRAT !!!!!!!!!!!!!
TO: Thinking Citizen-4182319 who wrote:
LOL!
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Hilarious!! HAHAH. Great quote, Citizen-4182319
Because B.O. Stinks
After four years of Marxism America needs a little R&R
No thank you RandyEK. I'll stick with what I have, the stench from R&R is a bit too much for me.
@RandyPK
After 4 years of stupidity coming from the citizens of BS Mountain the rest of us.need a break from you.
Did anyone count how many times Ryan took a sip from his glass? If I told that many lies in that short of time, I would need to put some moisture in my mouth. I know it had to be at least 5 or more times in 90 minutes. Maybe Biden just had him shook up.
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1. Why does FOX put a positive spin on everything and outright lie for the Republicans? 2. You don't have to be here on NBC now do you?
We must remember, Romney has made a very good living as a salesman, it does not matter what you say as long as you close the deal..........ethical conduct is not usually a salesman's strong suit
Woody...at least 20 times as counted by MSNBC!! I noticed that too. LOL
Because someone has to fight for the little guy with Fox and the Wall Street Journal doing their bit for the GOP!
Here is a recap of Biden last night
LOL LOL ;| :) :0 LOL
Ryan agreed with the Afghanistan withdrawal timetable before he disagreed with himself, all in the same talking point. I laughed out loud at that as well.
AnotherMiddleClass = useless troll
AnotherMiddleClass, I gave you a vote-up because inadvertently you made a good comment! Joe did in fact LOL, LOL, and LOL at Ryan... and for good reason! Ryan's lies and extreme anti-woman, anti-middle class rhetoric were laughable!
Romney too was for stimulus before he was against it.
Romney is playing the odds. The more positions he espouses on the various issues, the higher likelihood that someone will agree with one of them. It's really quite simple. If I have 5 different positions on taxes, and my opponent has just one, I have a better chance of appealing to a larger number of voters.
Here we go again on this thread. You must be desperate trying so hard to bend some minds your way Mr. Doe, but we are getting tired of seeing this same smear campaign. It will not work. Try something else so we will not be having to correct you again on your wrongheaded notion of what IS a big deal and what is snobbish trivia.
John Doe, nice try regarding that link, but it just shows how desperate you are to resort to the younger Biden in 1988. Fair enough - we can always go back to Tricky Dicky's silly two finger salutes and Viet Nam. We all know who is who and study their speeches, are impressed by them and learn from their experiences. Many of our philosophical ideas are shared and we have read the same authors. We study history and many people who have similar beliefs, ideas and solutions. Failing to quote someone a few times in the heat of a speech or debate is nothing compared to selling a nation of gullible uninformed and fearful Americans misinformation that takes them into a war feud which costs thousands of lives, destroying an economic surplus and making mistakes that have a lasting and horrible financial impact on millions of citizens and their families.
Vice President Biden IS the big boy in charge and has been to THE front lines, at THE committees, at THE meetings, on THE schedule and conferencing with THE other world leaders THAT RYAN IS TRYING TO TELL HIM ABOUT!!! What a hoot! Why would he not be laughing? It was embarrassing to watch a little pretender try to lecture the man in charge about his business in this case! Of course, Vice President Biden was gracious about having to correct Ryan on so many outside guesses while asserting his real expertise on the topics and providing facts, facts that revealed how Ryan's attempted expert lectures were wrong, facts that showed that Ryan did not have any real answers, facts that revealed Ryan's own hypocrisy on the stimulus moneys, facts that reversed Ryan's attempts to point fingers of blame at the Obama administration for the lack of funding for sufficient security troops at many embassies worldwide due to, OOOPS!!!, REPUBLICAN majority decisions in Congress, and so much more. Oh, and come to think of it, none of that - NONE of it!!! was lifted by the Vice President IN 2012 from anyone else. However, we are now left wondering where on earth young Ryan has been getting his wrong-headed ideas from and we are horrified, now that we can see where implementation of those ideas would lead our military, were he to actually be elected to be the vice president of any country!!! Are you are too biased to see that young Ryan just revealed to all of us tonight how unprepared he is to hold such a post? Anything Biden has done pales in comparison to the damage Ryan could do, now that we know from his own words...where he is at. Biden won this debate, handed young Ryan some real facts and a hanky, and sent him back home to his Mommy, who by the way from the news we hear recently, is currently enjoying the benefits of Medicare in her senior years. Anyone would be chuckling and saying "I dont know what you are talking about", at all of this fictitious jibberish coming from a young, less experienced and less informed candidate.
OBAMA/BIDEN 2012
Updated Oct 10, 2012 - 10:42 am
Romney's emotional story remembered very differently by friend of fallen SEAL
On the stump in Iowa Tuesday, Mitt Romney got emotional when he revealed that he met former Navy SEAL Glen Doherty at a holiday party some years ago. Doherty is one of the four Americans who were killed during the September 11th attack on the American consulate in Benghazi. But Glen Doherty's good friend Elf Ellefsen said that Doherty recalled Romney as "robotic," and the meeting went much differently from what Romney retold in Iowa.
On the stump in Iowa, Mitt Romney revealed that he met former Navy SEAL Glen Doherty at a holiday party some years ago. Doherty's friend, Elf Ellefsen, says Doherty wouldn't want Mitt using him for the campaign.
By Libby Denkmann
On the stump in Iowa Tuesday, Mitt Romney revealed that he met former Navy SEAL Glen Doherty at a holiday party some years ago. Doherty is one of four Americans killed during the September 11th attack on the American consulate in Benghazi.
Romney's story started out lighthearted, as he recounted how he and Ann mistook a holiday gathering across the street for their neighborhood party, and he ended up talking to Doherty. "He skied in some of the places I had. We had a lot of things in common," Romney said of Doherty. Both men are from Massachusetts.
"He told me that he keeps going back to the Middle East. He cares very deeply about the people there. He served in the military there, went back from time to time to offer security services and so forth to people there. You can imagine how I felt when I found out that he was one of the two former Navy SEALS killed in Benghazi on September 11th."
Romney was visibly emotional during the story, and the video of the speech was repeated throughout the day on network and cable news.
But one of Glen Doherty's best friends remembered Doherty's impression of this meeting much differently.
Elf Ellefsen met Glen Doherty skiing in Utah when he was 19, and the two men remained friends for more than 20 years.
"A guy living life wise beyond his years. Always trying to be progressive as well as do the right thing. Always challenging himself to his greatest ability," Ellefsen remembered.
He last saw Doherty a week before the final mission to Libya. "I stayed in his house (in California), we paddled out in the ocean together, spent some good quality time."
Ellefsen said Doherty recalled meeting Mitt Romney years ago, but the account was much different from what the Presidential candidate retold in Iowa.
According to Ellefsen, Romney introduced himself to Doherty four separate times during the gathering.
"He said it was very comical," Ellefsen said, "Mitt Romney approached him ultimately four times, using this private gathering as a political venture to further his image. He kept introducing himself as Mitt Romney, a political figure. The same introduction, the same opening line. Glen believed it to be very insincere and stale."
Ellefsen said Doherty remembered Romney as robotic.
"He said it was pathetic and comical to have the same person come up to you within only a half hour, have this person reintroduce himself to you, having absolutely no idea whatsoever that he just did this 20 minutes ago, and did not even recognize Glen's face."
Ellefsen described Glen Doherty as a humble, non-political guy, and said it was ironic for him to be used during a presidential campaign.
"Whether it be Republican, Democrat, Green Party, Libertarian, it doesn't make a difference. Because this guy is using our great friend, our humble, and honorable great friend...who is truly larger than life...He has become part of the soapbox routine for politics in a presidential race."
Ellefsen said he understands why people would want to link themselves with Doherty. "Of all people to tie yourself to for advancement in life, it's not surprising that Romney or anybody else would want to tie themselves to Glen Doherty. Because he was incredible. And I can honestly say beyond a shadow of a doubt, he was the greatest person I have ever met in my life."
I asked Ellefsen what he thought of his friend's story being used on the political stump:
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Honestly it does make me sick. Glen would definitely not approve of it. He probably wouldn't do much about it. He probably wouldn't say a whole lot about it. I think Glen would feel, more than anything, almost embarrassed for Romney. I think he would feel pity for him."
Editor's note:
While it's unclear just what political, if any, motivations Ellefsen has, it is clear on his Facebook page that he's upset about the U.S. government's role in security overseas.
Ellefsen isn't the only one perturbed by Romney's speech. According to WHDH-TV in Boston, Doherty's mother Barbara says Romney is using her son's death for his political agenda.
BOSTON (WHDH) -- Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney has agreed to stop sharing a story about his encounter with Winchester Navy SEAL Glen Doherty who was killed in the attack on the U.S. consulate in Libya after Doherty's mother said she was upset Romney was using the story for his political agenda.
Glen Doherty was one of four Americans killed in the September 11 attack on the U.S. consulate.
"I met some remarkable people, one of whom was a former navy seal. I just learned a few days ago that he was one of the two former navy seals killed in Benghazi. It broke my heart," Romney said to a crowd on the campaign trail.
Romney met Doherty at a Christmas party.
During a radio show interview, Doherty's friend recounted a different version of Romney's meeting with Doherty.
"He actually approached him, using this private gathering as basically a political venture to further his image. And Glen just believed it to be very insincere and stale," said Elf Ellefsen, Doherty's friend.
"I don't trust Romney. He shouldn't make my son's death part of his political agenda. It's wrong to use these brave young men, who wanted freedom for all, to degrade Obama," said Barbara Doherty, Glen's mother.
Read more: #ixzz2967DZelK
Glen Doherty, Mitt Romney comments: Mother of former SEAL asks Romney to stop talking about her son
Posted: 10/11/2012
By: STEVE PEOPLES, Associated Press
SIDNEY, Ohio (AP) — The mother of a former Navy SEAL killed in Libya has called on Mitt Romney to stop talking about her son during his political campaign.
A spokesman for the Republican presidential candidate says Romney will respect her wishes.
Romney has been telling voters of sharing a Christmas dinner with the former SEAL, Glen Doherty, two or three years ago. Doherty was among four Americans killed in the attacks in Benghazi.
Romney has been trying to show a more personal side in recent days. He's also been criticizing President Barack Obama's over the attack in Libya.
On Wednesday, Doherty's mother, Barbara Doherty, told Boston television station WHDH that she doesn't trust Romney and called on Romney to stop making her son's death, in her words, "part of his political agenda."
He thinks he can act. That little, "It just broke my heart." was the most poorly delivered and transparent line of the week.
That is one of the main things I can't stand about Wrongme. He thinks nobody can tell he is faking. He actually thinks this crap works on us.
Romney wants us to believe a robot can shed tears! Now that's funny!
In the words of 'The Wiz" and the Tin Man - Slide some (snake) oil to me!
Oh Ryan is NOT THE ONLY HYPOCRITE.
Romney's OWN PARENTS received welfare. Ryan took welfare and Romney took welfare.
Hypocrites.
President Obama 2012
Inexperienced Romney 1040
Anyone notice how none of the right wing dingbats are responding to this comment? No real surprise, I suppose. Maybe they'll say something like the mom was paid off by the DNC, or maybe it wasn't really the mother at all, but a DNC plant who RESEMBLES the mother....yes, that's the ticket.
And completely ignored by the media.
Feel free to repost this or post on this story
I would love to see this go viral
Two-Faced Mitt & Lyin Ryan team continue to show their true worth or lack of! Advocating cuts while reaching in deep for the same funds shamelessly shows how sick these people are. While I do not condone abortion, no one has the right to impose it on others and again Ryan takes pride in posing with a dead deer and says is FOR LIFE! To continue significant tax cuts for the rich and simply bleed the poor while not admitting that the 'loopholes' they are going to eliminate are home mortgage tax deductions - the last shelter any middle class family has left is a cruel joke.
Simply put the Republican party caters only to rich, corps, cartels, banks and such and it is clearly evident from the significant polarization of funds flow during this cycle.
TO: owencoffin who wrote:
Yes, and Doherty's Mom got ahold of Romney's camp and told them to stop politicizing her son's death, and for Romney to stop using her son's name!
Obama/Biden 2012
TO: secondbrother who wrote:
Of course we noticed, but we also know that Republicans are alergic to the truth, which is why they're not hanging around this topic, because it doesn't go along with their batchitcrazy ideals.
Obama/Biden 2012
Sorry for the tragic loss of your son and the others in Lybia. Equally as sad you choose to blast Romney not the Obama administration. Obama's actions after the fact were too little too late and only political. Too bad we had a commander in chief who did not protect him and the others. You must be totally an Obama supporter.
I caught this too even though it had been brought out weeks ago. What i enjoyed was the contentious tight lipped smirk on ryans face. It was so reminiscent of a recent neighbor who lied through his teeth, was a hypocrite in every way (including his sexuality) but joined his wacko wife in her non stop read of the bible.
As the saying goes....i wouldn't trust either on the other side of a glass door.
One had honest emotion, the other looked like a pre-programed robot during closing statements. Humans are better than toasters when it comes to governing, especially because toasters are not known for their ability to do simple math. Unless, of course, you are a RWNJ and actually believe 2+2=5
That is so typical of GOP members of both houses of Congress. Del Latta and his son (5th District OH) were/are notorious for doing this. They vote against every funding bill that came/comes to the floor of the House, then file for every dollar they can get for their district and brag about how they got all of that money. Then they have the audacity to use their FREE postage benefit as a member of the House to mail out their "newsletter" campaign material just weeks before their next election. NO member of Congress should be able to use that FREE postage right within any campaign period (minimum six months prior to the primary). Besides they are part of the USPS financial problems. If they want the USPS to be profitable, they should be forced to give up that FREE postage right.
Of course, if you want real electoral/campaign finance reform, you need to get involved in the Popular Amendment Movement before the 2014/16 elections and help get the two proposed constitutional amendments posted at www.faircampaignreform.us passed. End the idiocy of our campaigns/elections and help pass these amendments.
Petition for US Constitutional Amendment For Election Reform
We, the undersigned US citizens, duly registered voters in our respective states/territories, do hereby petition for our state to approve the following amendment to the United States Constitution by the method noted below.
Election Reform:
1. Abolish the Electoral College (Repeal Amendment 12)
2. ONE NATIONAL primary date to be held on the Tuesday eight (8) weeks prior to the General Election day for Congressional offices and for the President. Candidate petitions must be filed with the local/state elections boards 60 days prior to the Primary Election date. Federal election petitions shall be uniform in every state and shall include a “contract with the voters” that spells out clearly what that candidate stands for on all issues that they may have to address in elected office. They shall be held accountable in court for breach of that contract if elected and any/all terms are not met.
3. NO campaigning allowed for any elective federal office more than 60 days prior to the National Primary Date.
4. NO campaign contribution shall be donated to any candidate of more than $200 from an individual or $500 maximum from a family (spouses/children living in the same household.) No donations shall be made to a candidate more than sixty days prior to the primary date. No candidate shall contribute from their own funds more than 60% of the total donations from other private individuals.
5. NO campaign contribution from any PAC, corporation, union, non-profit organization, special interest group, etc. shall be allowed for any elected federal office.
6. NO third party campaigning (separate PAC ads, corporate ads, etc.) for/against any candidate shall be allowed at any time during or before the election season.
7. NO party conventions shall be held to select the presidential candidates. The selection must be done at the ballot box in the primary election.
8. The One Man/One Vote Supreme Court ruling shall be enforced by this Amendment, namely that NO federal candidate selection shall be by any means other than the ballot box on Primary/General Election Dates.
9. National Party Organizations shall NOT raise money for or donate to specific candidates of their party prior to the dates outlined above.
10. PAC’s shall NOT be granted tax-exempt status by the IRS, and any non-profit organization who uses their funding for political purposes shall lose their tax-exempt status.
11. All lobbyists shall be outlawed from influencing Congress at all times.
This amendment shall be approved ONLY by State Constitutional Conventions to be called within 90 days of this petition being submmitted to a state’s Secretary of State. A minimum of 25% of the registered voters in each state shall be required to further this petition to the respective Secretary of State.
Name Signature State Address
Petition for US Constitutional Amendment For Congressional Term Limits
We, the undersigned US citizens, duly registered voters in our respective states/territories, do hereby petition for our state to approve the following amendment to the United States Constitution by the method noted below.
Term Limits for Congress:
1. Representatives to Congress shall serve no more than two two-year terms in the House.
2. Senators shall be elected to no more than two six year terms in the Senate.
3. No elected official shall serve more than six terms in office in any combined elected offices (House/Senate/Presidency.)
This amendment shall be approved ONLY by State Constitutional Conventions to be called within 90 days of this petition being submmitted to a state’s Secretary of State. A minimum of 25% of the registered voters in each state shall be required to further this petition to the respective Secretary of State.
Name Signature State Address
Some things in your plan are good, others, not so much.
The electoral college has more value today than ever. We can not allow a few high population, city oriented areas of our country to be pandered too, gaining the votes needed to control the rest.
As long as businesses & yes corporations are going to be taxed & regulated by government, they should be able to state their opinions. If consumers don't like the message they can always stop buying. Now a union we are "required" to have, with no options to switch too, is some thing else all together.
Hey, Ryan and Romney are just telling us to judge them totally on what they say and not on what they do.
As Mr. Ryan said last night, "when you can't run on your record, you have to run on fear against your opponent" and that's actually the one case where Ryans and Romney's actions do match their words.
TO: jdbird who wrote:
Sorry pal, but that's the nature of the United States of America: Majority rules!
We have another name for it too, it's called "Free and Fair Elections".
What we CAN'T do is allow a few loose porch monkies tell the rest of us what to do.
Obama/Biden 2012
jdbird said "The electoral college has more value today than ever. We can not allow a few high population, city oriented areas of our country to be pandered too, gaining the votes needed to control the rest"
How is that any different that the current pandering to swing state voters. States that are considered heavily republican or democratic or even leaning toward one party or the orther have been virtually ignored in this election.
@ jdbird - you couldn't be more wrong. The process that we now have which gives sparsely populated states equal representation to densly populated ones isn't fair. It's not fair for example for Wyoming to have as much as California.
jdbird, your statement regarding the "right" of corporations to have "free speech" is flawed in it's premise. If you (or anyone) has taken the time to read the writings of the Founders including the Federalist Papers, the Declaration of Independence, personal letters, etc. it is quite clear that they believed that the "people" had "natural rights" that issued from their very being. Corporations are not "natural beings" and therefore inherently lacking the natural rights of real people.
While the electoral college still has some validity as an establishment of our guaranteed Republican form of government (as stated in the Constitution) and a bastion against "mob rule" (the Founders disliked "true" Democracy for this reason), it is somewhat anachronistic in that the time in which it was enacted was a time of very slow dissemination of information - so it was entirely possible that many citizens might not be as well informed in some areas further from the seat of government. This is not the case today, however, as information travels at the speed of light and is readily available for any who choose to seek it. In practice, it serves little purpose today, as the Senate still provides necessary protections for the minority against the majority that some will argue.
Typical lying from lyin' ry;an. It is called hypocrisy. Lyin' ry;an failed the Commander-in-Chief test. He is nowhere near close.
My screen name saids it all. THey will say and do anything to get into office. ANYTHING! One day its this and the next day is Oh thats not what I said ... is that me on tape? I didnt mean it that way. Did I ask for ObamaCare help .... I dont remember that.
Look republications I would vote for a replublican myself but not this one, this dude is a JOKE. I voted for bush and obama. TRUE Independant
Hypocrite? No way! His running mate is going to cut taxes, keep the good parts of Obamacare, greatly increase military spending, and still cut into the deficit! These people aren't hypocrites, they're magicians! Mitt and the magic undies to the rescue!!!
He's now to be known as The Wizard of Mitt. :)
Innapropriate comment, but funny!
"Hey Rocky, watch me pull a magic tablet out of my hat"
- Bullwinkle J Smith
To #7, 8 and 9,
Firstly, America is in debt to the tune of $16 Trillion. We have spent ourselves into oblivion. Our leaders are talking about cutting spending because they have no choice; it's certainly not a popular thing to do. Make no mistake, we all (i.e. every last one of us) will pay for that debt or our children will have to pay for it, one way or another. It won't matter how much you make or how much you have or where you live, things are going to get tough.
Secondly, Congressman Ryan wants to reduce spending but had requested federal money for the people of Wisconsin. Some people say that is hypocritical. Really? If the Obama Administration is spending the American citizens' money, shouldn't every American benefit from it... even if they happen to live in Wisconsin's 1st District?
Mark,
There would be absolutely no ambiguity or hypocrisy if Mitt and Paul would just release their actual plan and show us some math. Every speech they give they say how they're going to do keep giving us everything we like while reducing the deficit...well 2+2 does not = 0. I can tell you that I'm going to give everyone in the country a billion dollars and at the same time its free...but that just doesn't make sense. Besides talking points, they really have no plan that the American people can hold onto.
It doesnt matter what they want to do. Mitt wont have any bills to sign unless congress passes them first. All I'm interested in is seeing that "obama fear and uncertainty" go away so businesses can come out of their bunkers.
Steveo,
Thanks for your reply. I agree they've not given many specifics.
Governor Romney and Congressman Ryan have said on more than one occasion that they have a framework, a starting point, but no specifics yet because they want to sit down with Republicans and Democrats to work out the specifics. They don't want to exclude the Democrats and try to shove something down our throats.
In my opinion, they don't want to give specifics because they will not win the election if they do. They will need to make some huge tough cuts to keep all that they want, while cutting taxes and increasing military spending. To do all of these things and still cut into the deficit, they would have to axe a lot of programs that help a lot of people, and that would never get them elected!
Mark, are you really naive enough to believe that Romney/Ryan want to "sit down with Democrats to work out the specifics"? Maybe you recall the last time they sat down for the super summit and now we are facing a fiscal cliff simply because the Republicans wanted it "my way or the highway"? Or how about the day after the election when the entire Republican party said their goal would be to make Obama a one term president? Or when the entire Republican party has signed a pledge to Grover Norquist that the will never raise taxes for ANY reason? Ya know, maybe you're right, since they have been so sincere for the last 3 years, maybe they could have a beer together and iron out their differences! REALLY?
No Mark, the hypocrisy started when Ryan went on TV and stated that he had never taken any stimulus money for his district.
Sal Alejo "hipocrisey started when ryan went on Tv and stated "NUMEROUS Times" that he never had taken any stimulus money for his district"
He lies again and again...
his wife was a lobbyist for Tobacco b4 Obama's Administration...she also comes from a "Political Family"..
these lyin, slippery characters are not to be TRUSTED; by their records, by their words, by their actions..
VOTE Obama/Biden 2012
The GOP plan for success and prosperity for the people of America...
#1 Cut taxes 20% across the board.
#2 Stop healthcare for 30 million people.
#3 And cross your fingers!
Loved the Ryan comment when Joe called him out on his requests for stimulus money. Ryan called it normal for a Representative to request "grants". Well, Pauly baby, your "grant" is just another term for "stimulus", and you are not that stupid that you can't tell the difference. Freakin hypocrite!!!!
So when US tax money is being handed out, collected from the state you represent, you should say no????
The $250K per sign, Obama signs were way over the top.
The govt takes our money anyway. Congressmen SHOULD try to get as much of it back as possible. Its still OUR money.
if you visit the official site recovery.gov track the money you will see the the monies requested by all 50 states and every US territory is referred to as contracts, grants and loans
You will also see that no opponent would be able to say that their state did not take stimulus GRANT money, because every state in the union did
TO: peanutGalleryTheater who wrote:
No, it's not, it's my money too!
If and when you get money from the State, then maybe it's just YOUR money.
If and when you get money from the Federal Government, meaning when Paul Ryan asked Vice President Joe Biden for money, he was asking to draw from ALL OF OUR MONEY and NOT just from Wisconsin State money. That means, California money, Oregon money, Florida money, etc.
So Ryan wants to draw from all of our money when he should be drawing ONLY from Wisconsin State money, that is, if you ask anybody from any of the other 49 States that Paul Ryan is trying to take money from.
Obama/Biden 2012
American Girl - Where do you think the Federal money comes from in the first place? They take it from tax payers in every state. Over the past 20 years Wisconsin has only got about 86% of it's Federal tax dollars back.
http://www.economist.com/blogs/dailychart/2011/08/americas-fiscal-union
Eddie Munster Lyan was exposed for his "Hypocrisy" and as a loyal 1%er just could not stand being called out as a LIAR....
Sounds like a case of "I've got mine...but I'm going to make sure you don't get yours".
That is virtually Lyan's motto! Sucking the public teat for almost his entire adult life while insisting that the rest of us have no right to government benefits!!
I'd rather my govt benefits didnt get laundered through the federal govt. Keep it local.
peanut-don't worry, if Rmoney wins you won't have to worry about your benefits!
TO: FlaNative55 who wrote:
Right, because you won't have any.
Obama/Biden 2012
As much as Joe Biden may offend the more "delicate" sensibilities of those among the human race, one fact is undeniable: Joe spoke from his heart, Ryan spoke from an Ayan Rand novella edited and scripted by the Republican Party. Ryan's stance on Roe v Wade is a true insight into this man's agenda, his breath taking ignorance of the actual military operation in Afghanistan and the Syrian conflict made me and mine very afraid of Romney's ability to draw the United States back into another Middle Eastern War. Romney/Ryan very bad for Women's Health and the security of the United States. Ryan is simply a supreme hypocrite.
Obama 2012
He was hardly scripted. He simply believes and means whatever comes out of his mouth and you can't fault him for that. Can't say the same for Romney. Ryan, I respect him for coming to the debate ready to argue on principle. Romney mark 2 was sent last Wednesday; we haven't seen the conservative Romney since.
Like when he said the middle class has been buried for the last 4 years.
Is anyone really surprised by this article after seeing and reading everything about Romney and Ryan? It's just more details on all the B.S. the GOP is spouting.
Not really sure how they are going to win an election if they can't be forthright with the voters. Hiding, misleading, and falsifying information won't get you elected. Educated voters see right though it. I guess they are banking on the mindless tools and uneducated voters.
.......Dear John Doe 2241225........the country you speak of is spelled Libya......NOT LYBIA........and yes, the Country does morn for those 4 Americans that lost their live........However, all the rhetoric in the world is NOT going to stop the violence in that region.......I support the President....BUT I do not like how the situation was handled EITHER.....BUT all the saber rattleling in the past has gotten us MORE BODY BAGS for OUR troops.............MAybe it was bad intel, it HAS happened before.....REMMBER......Weapons of MASS Destruction!!!!..........it got us over 4000 deaths....and billions SPENT.........those of you who want to fight.....GO ahead , just stop sending the 47% to fight FOR you!
Who is worse, someone who killed 3000+ in a forewarned attack, or one who spent the lives of my brothers and sisters in an unnecesary war over a lie? This doesn't count the 10's of thousands of innocent Iraquis that died in the crossfire.
Also, this war was unfunded, not on budget durin the previous CIC's administration.
Look up "Double Santa" and see how the GOP is very very good ad debt blame shifting.
Myth Robme & Lyin' Ryan: Hypocrites and liars who will say and do anything/use anyone & anything to get elected - despicable! they don't care about us - 47% or 99%!
If you vote for R & R, which ones will you get? "severely conservative" or "moderate for the moment"- you just don't have any way to know. chances are, they will do nothing but Robin-Hood-in-reverse - take even more from the lower income folks to feed the insatiable greed of the 1% for more more more. They will drag us into more unwinnable ME wars.
Just. Say. No.
Vote O & Joe 2012!
The AP article is balogna. I can be opposed to a policy or government program, but still utilize its resources until the policy or program is changed. Expecially since my tax dollars are still "taken" to fund the program. I watch PBS. I do not want my tax dollars funding it. In protest, I send them no money. But, I watch their commercials (Chuck E. Cheese, Ford Motors, etc.) and appreciate they receive private funding. And, please, just go to PBSKIDS.org and see how many of those programs are marketing items in every major retail outlet. They certainly don't need my money. But, I watch them anyway. So, Congressman Ryan should continue to try and get his constituent's piece of the pie so long as their tax dollars are used to make the pie.
Any smart person would do the same. If the Federal money wasn't available, then Ryan would need to find another solution for his constituents. It would actually be a bad thing if Ryan didn't try to get as much money as he could, once it was decided it was happening anyway.
This article is foolish intended for foolish people.
You don't seem to understand the point proud_hispanic. Ryan is the supreme hypocrite for asking for the money he himself voted against. It also says something about his sense of Randian 'individualism.' He has none. Yet another one of his many contradicting beliefs. He asks for and accepts money he doesn't think anyone should get, not to mention getting federal aid through out his life. Sounds like a true individualist to me, doesn't it?
To be honest, you seem to be quite a fool yourself. It's called critical thinking, try it out sometime.
Using your "crital thinking" then all democrats should not use the tax codes just because they are law. They should all pay in taxes what they think is fair - and I am speaking of Democrats in the 1%.
I did not call you a fool secondbrother - you did that yourself.
Wow, your lack of understanding basic grammar speaks for itself. So what exactly are you rambling on about? Lets see, democrats should not use tax codes because they are law....that's pure genius! Then the rest is just more nonsense. Try again, please.
There is a reason that the smart Hispanics are supporting Obama 60/40 over Rmoney. You might listen to what your people are saying, proud_hispanic and maybe you will learn something!
When the other guy get's it...it is pork. When the other guy gets it...it is a handout. When I get it...it is an investment in America. Wrap it in the flag, accuse those who don't agree with you as being a socialist, unamerican, elitiest...you will get elected.
The stripes in our flag are made of bacon. Who doesn't like stuff wrapped in bacon? Bacon is yummy! It's the devil's food!
* note * I served in the military, and this is one hellishly sarcastic statement. I served with Jews, Muslims and Gays, and for not one moment was I doubtful that they would protect my back. They knew me to be a non-theist, and respected my freedoms, as we were all fighting for yours.
We are all US Citizens, we are not red, or blue, black, white, or brown. When we bleed for your freedoms, it's always the same.
Please do not make light of our losses, please don't second guess our CIC (yes, I followed the orders of a CIC I most certainly did not agree with)
Unless you understand what oath we swear, never ever doubt our convictions.
We fight for you, we die for you.
We serve for your freedom.
That said, I will trust our current CIC and vote for him again. I can not trust someone who is a zealot, as that will only lead to more blood on the fields, and that is never a good thing.
* rant over *
Sounds like Congressman Ryan was for it...before he was against it! He was exposed again last night by VP Biden for the flip flopper that he and Gov Romney are. And Congressman Ryan; please explain the math of your policy? There are those out there that are actually proficient enough to see and understand your assault on and disdain for the middle class!
Obviously you're not proficient enough to have proper grammar.
But I am proficient at math! So lets see the Romney/Ryan plan line by line? Those were Ryans exact words; the math would take too long to explain. Fact is they are flat out liars & will irreparably damage and put a final nail into the middle class coffin.
I can read some pretty heavy math equations and understand them. Perhaps it only takes too long to explain to someone who has no ability to add or subtract. A simple balance sheet showing the "+" and"-" coulumns is all we want to see. Shouldn't take to long to do that on a spreadsheet.
Can you explain how the math for Obamacare is working? How is it that the $716B they are taking from Medicare is going to be spent twice?
The $716 billion that Obamacare cuts from Medicare gets spent on expanding Medicaid and subsidizing exchanges. It is gone. Not a dollar of it is left to spend at any point in the future on Medicare.
Obviously, you have not read the bill. Show me how Ryan's plan, that takes the same amount, is better.
Ryan's plan does not use the savings twice.
It's called being a hypocrite, plain and simple. Truth be told many Republicans in congress asked for stimulus money and ran home to ribbon cutting ceremonies as a result of projects from that same stimulus. They then ran back to congress (like disingenuous snakes) and spoke out against that same stimulus bill. Say what you want about republicans..they truly are an amazing group of folk.
The stimulus, once passed was free game and the congressman did what was best for his constituents.
Many years ago in Economy 101 I learned that the difference between the Right and Left was that one offered you government help to get you from day to day while the other offered you an environment where if you worked hard and were diligent you could better yourself. It is human nature to want to take the help and scary to do the latter.
Republicans would rather not send money to DC in the first place. Failing to prevent that, the next best thing is to bring as much of it back with as few strings as possible.
@proud_hispanic: In order to create the environment you're hoping for, you need to regulations in place to make things FAIR. Have you ever read up on this country's history when the monopolies and oligarchs were in charge? Do you really want to to BACK to that? Really?
This whole "I did it all myself with no ones help" is sooo tired. I rather help and be helped than just say screw you I got mines.
MM: Of course you need regulations and yes monopolies are bad. To say the Romny and Ryan have not already stated that is a lie.
Of course government is there to provide structure... what's your point?
The point is, genius, that Romney and Ryan want to go back and deregulate business's and wallstreet. So monopolies, here we come! Think hispanic, think! I know it hurts you oh so bad, but try!
So, as a darling of the Tea Party and who talks about the things that independents want (real fiscal responsibility), it is disheartening to find out that Mr. Ryan is nothing more than a "me first" politician. He "wants" for his people but rails against others getting what they want form the government. I was not really surprised to find this out about Mr. Ryan but the extent of his hypocrisy is too much for me.
But you're ok that Biden lies about what they knew in Lybia? You're ok that our President thinks the murders there were a bump in the road? You're ok that Biden says he was against the wars and the spending, yet voted for them? It's disheartening to know this man lies through his overly white teeth!
Ahh proud_hispanic, you ignorant drone. I'm sure your lack of any real intelligence has prevented you from looking into the rash of embassy attacks under Bush's watch, and his lack of response to those attacks. Also, you seem to have forgotten that it was under a Repulican that American suffered its greatest terroristic attack in history. Of course, you're only defense is to say 'stop bringing up Bush!'
I know, I know, you all want to pretend that 2000-2008 didn't happen, but it did. Open your eyes and ears to the real world, and try shutting your mouth for a bit.
If you're ok with "weapons of mass (illusion) destruction" lie, 5,000 Americans dead, trillions wasted on war, a wrecked economy, destroyed housing market, and high unemployment then I'm ok with the Administrations handling of Lybia.
So you're trying to say Ryan is a hypocrite? What your trying to say is that Ryan thinks it's okay for him, just like all of his Republican cronies, to take from American taxpayers to give to whomever they want, to get whatever they want, but not good for other American taxpayers (read that the Middle Class) for the right reasons?
I think VP Biden caught Mr. Ryan with his pants down when he tried to sneak that comment in and spanked him pretty good.
It's just like when Mr. Ryan tried to say his "Congress" was passing legislature when the President couldn't and VP Biden started laughing and said something about them having a 7% or 8% approval rating.
Lie after lie, cheat after cheat, it didn't matter what Ryan did, VP Biden called him on it and he had no answer other than to try to change the subject. We had 8 years with Republicans in the White House that put us in the mess in the first place, and now 2 years of Republicans trying their darnedest to keep us in this mess now so they can get back into power.
Why in the world would anyone in their right mind allow our ENTIRE Country to be held hostage by people who want to give huge tax breaks to less than 1% of ALL Americans? That's INSANE. They're acting in a bi-partisan manner? How is representing 1% of the country over 99% of the country bi-partisan by hold us totally hostage like this and NEVER even ATTEMPTING to work with Democrats. Just look at the facts. No spin, just facts.
Not only does the President need to be reelected, every Republican needs to be thrown out of Congress so we can get out of this log jam. They're obviously blocking all attempts to help the middle class and if we don't elect Democrats to Congress as well, it's more of the same. Screw them all to the wall.
Words of wisdom in your post Glenn!
I totally agree with you. We need to vote the republicans out of congress & the senate ASAP. They are all crooks & taking payoffs from millionaires, billionaires, & special interest groups. Oh, & yes the job creators (Mitt calls them). It truely is war on the middle class.
Glen-Couldn't have said it better myself!
I like when they say ..... they always are willing to sit down with the Democrats on the other side of the isle . My question is .......... where were they over the last 4 years , they failed to clock in for work for 4 years , and now they want people to vote for them . I still think that signing a pack with Grover not to sign any bills for 4 years is actually an act of Treason .
amen, brother glenn!!!!!
Obama flew into Columbus Ohio to congratulate the "new" police hires who would be trained under the stimulus.
Problem is, the amount of money the police cadets got was $200k, it costs a minimum of $750 per hour for Air Force One. Nothing but running for the next election on our money. The city could have hired 8 times the number if Obama had just phoned it in.
Hypocrisy from a Republican? Say it isn't so...
It isn't so!! It isn't so!!! Oh wait, it is....
I guess Ryan didn't get the paper shredder he asked for along with the stimulus.