Watching on CNN, undecided voter bar is ridiculous!!! Biden kicking lying Ryan's ass but undecided seem to be turning up the dial even when Ryan babbles and lies. Where did CNN get these hacks?

Paul Lyan's nose is growing so much I can almost touch it on my 3D TV.

It is past Biden's bedtime. He is obviously a child with his behavior tonight. And this is the man that is a heartbeat away from the Presidency? OMG!!!! His disrespect and rudeness has me admiring Ryan more and more for taking the high road and not engaging in these childish antics.

@ Mind Games: Except, of course, the first- when Romney lied through his teeth, and broke most of the debate rules on the books...

She is definitely trying to discredit Biden, but she is making herself and Ryan look like fools in comparison. Funny, I never really cared for Joe until tonight. Smart, self assured man. Still, I would have liked to see another party or two in the debates. Why do they keep telling me I have to chose between these two parties?

Biden is making Ryan looks like the fool he is. Ryan can't say anything other than the vague talking points he has heard repeated at least in the last week..... Wait..... What did Romney say last week.... Oh, he changed his position on that again. Must be that darn 47 percent of Americans who do not pay taxes and want a handout.

Biden did well. Lyan lied as usual.

Biden needed to look at the camera more IMO.

Talking to the moderator is not the only way.

Paul Ryan seemed like a cub scout in a room full generals. His condescending demeanor scares me. His answers seemed so pre-planed, scripted beyond belief . . . robotic like. I am sure he would make a great used car salesman, but not Vice president. Also, if Mitt Romney were elected president, Paul Ryan just would not cut it as president if something happened to Mitt Romney and could not fulfill his duties. His views on war and peace scare the crap out of me.

Great debate, I really feel Joe Biden won. Paul Ryan needs to go back to debate school.

Obama/Biden win easy 2012 ~

Best Regards, Roger E.Z.

I don't think I saw the same debate that the ABC commentators saw. They claim that Biden was charming, smiling. The moderator supposedly kept an iron hand on the debate. I saw a rude person run over the moderator, interupting his opponent and answering over/for him. I saw someone give answers that had half the "fact" (ex. security defunded by $300 million...fogetting to mention that it was voted by 147 republicans and 149 democrats) I saw a childish response to closing remarks (He got 40 seconds and I only get 15)

CNN calls it a "tie" or "win" for Ryan. They must have been reading the bs independent voter bars! May be CNN just tries to hard to be "fair". May be CNN is on another planet. Biden destroyed him, both on substance and character. Ryan came off as the total fake and a phoney and phoney. This election shouldn't even be close!

Everytime you saw Biden laugh...

...Paul Lyan lied.

Towards the end Biden got tired of the lies and it wasn't funny anymore.

Akakakaka........!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I don't think I saw the same debate that the ABC commentators saw. They claim that Biden was charming, smiling. The moderator supposedly kept an iron hand on the debate. I saw a rude person run over the moderator, interupting his opponent and answering over/for him. I saw someone give answers that had half the "fact" (ex. security defunded by $300 million...fogetting to mention that it was voted by 147 republicans and 149 democrats) I saw a childish response to closing remarks (He got 40 seconds and I only get 15)

Funny, I saw the moderator giving more time to Ryan and Biden was just asking for his fair share. Surely you didn't miss where Biden asked for equal time and she told him he only had a few seconds?

As usual, I need to let people know that I am a supporter of neither party, but the Party (by concept) I would choose has been taken over by a weird combination of Elite, elderly, Evangelical, and un-educated.

Now, incredibly, CNN polls calling Ryan the winner. Now you know how Dubbya got elected....twice!!!

Biden constantly interrupted for the first hour, was rude for the entire 90 minutes, scoffing, making noises, acting like a child, and this from the Vice President of the most powerful nation on earth?

The Democrats have redefined disrespectfulness. Biden lied at least 14x from my count, clear, bald faced lies. He is an embarrassment and a vile human being - he is personally a Catholic, but doesn't want to tell others what to do (fine so far) but then wants the government to tell Catholics what to do, against their own religious beliefs and convictions? Only an idiot liberal would say something so stupid, let alone think it makes sense.

Thank you Joe Biden and Barak Obama for making the choice clear - stick with two idiots who have failed by every objective measure, or switch to a team of men who believe in decency and put their lives, their time and their money where their mouth is.

Biden - top 1.5% income bracket, donated less than 1% of his income, claims to be for the middle class, yet his administration has overseen the destruction of the middle class, and expansion of poor unseen in generations, and an enrichment of the 1% like never seen before. The bankers were made whole, the billionaires were made whole, the middle class got screwed. Anyone who believes Biden and Obama are "for" the middle class are simply dense, as they have destroyed the middle and transferred billions to their supporters.

I think Ryan slightly outperformed Biden. Biden had less command of the facts, spoke more in platitudes, while Ryan calmly dismantled his arguments. And Biden came across as absolutely obnoxious just on style, rude and frequently ignorant.

• Game, Set, Match --- Biden.
• I almost felt sorry for Lyan Ryan.

Yeah, Libya where our ambassador & navy seals got killed and these jokers in the white house lied to the american people for 2 weeks was a real success, wasn't it.

Does pauly look like a used car salesman or what?

Joey looks like a mortician. Actually, he looks like a mortician's customer.

Not even close. All Joe can do is laugh and attempt to interrupt a real man. Peroid!

Joe has to laugh because all Paul does is LIE!

Obama-Biden - Win, what an ignorant (not stupid) comment.

And your proof points are?

I hope you like your taxes going up in 2013,2014,2015& 2016. Good luck with bud!! Then again in reality I really do hope obama/biden win and the economy collapses. As a matter of fact Im gonna vote for them and telling everyone I know to vote for em. When the cliff comes Im gonna laugh my ass off at NBC, you and everyone else. While Im sitting in the mountains with no worries. Oh and I dont pay taxes either and Im not rich by any sense, just living off the land taking your money HA!, Ha! So go biden & obama win that WH for 4 more years.

CLEARLY, CLEARLY, Martha is a Dem. Constantly letting Biden interrupt Ryan. Ryan had to Clearly debate TWO people, Martha and "laughing Joe"!!! That Debate was a set up and a debacle!!

Wow,
Biden treated Ryan like a child, and now I look on here and all I see is people
slandering each other, this is why we have so many problems in this country.
Wake up Americans, If we don’t all stand together we will fall, If we all were
to pick a path and stick to it we might actually have a government of, for and
by the people. I don’t buy anything any politician says, If any of you think
any of them care about us, the people with no jobs, no homes, no health
insurance, living day to day and not anticipating tomorrow to come, Then we
have already lost. I don’t have an answer on how to fix this country, but I say
that all these people are liars, always have been and always will be, Wouldn’t
you be if you could have a job where you shined a seat with your ass and had
guaranteed health care, guaranteed pay coming in for the rest of your life,
Ryan was much nicer of the two but show me an honest politician and I’ll sign
my castle and all my fleet of Bentleys over to you. I vote none of the above.

Paul Ryan has style & substance. Biden is a condescending cocky fool. Polls show Ryan won. Kiss the ex-president Nobama g'bye! Thank god...no "FORWARD" off the cliff now! Good job Congressman (soon to be VP) Ryan!

Bye Bye Obama.......... Bye Bye.......... Its the economy stupid. And I'm from a Democratic family. Give me a break this has to be the worst President vice president this country has seen in centuries. What a couple of empty suits. I'm sorry liberal friends but this president is going to loose this election its plain to see.

" ... and the economy collapses. ... "

From the mouths of boobs. And the Right thinks that the Left wants America to fail? Here is one more example of who REALLY wants America to fail.

Sad. Just so freaking sad. The Right would rather see America fall then admit that they have, and still are screwing the pooch. And then blame the brown guy in the White House for the disaster that is their making.

Fear, hate, bigotry, arrogance and ignorance are the Rights new family values. And they want us to let them have another chance at f'ing this country up.

To quote Samuel Jackson ....

"Wake the F.... up!"

Bill, Joe mentioned death panels. Ryan didn't.

your sister is a idiot who is nothing mnore than a head nurse. and she has you convinced and scared.

My sister works at a hospital and she has been thrilled at the health care overhaul.
She used to work for a major health insurance provider and she said the system
was totally for the profit of the insurance industry, not the patient.

Wow,
Biden treated Ryan like a child, and now I look on here and all I see is people
slandering each other, this is why we have so many problems in this country.
Wake up Americans, If we don’t all stand together we will fall, If we all were
to pick a path and stick to it we might actually have a government of, for and
by the people. I don’t buy anything any politician says, If any of you think
any of them care about us, the people with no jobs, no homes, no health
insurance, living day to day and not anticipating tomorrow to come, Then we
have already lost. I don’t have an answer on how to fix this country, but I say
that all these people are liars, always have been and always will be, Wouldn’t
you be if you could have a job where you shined a seat with your ass and had
guaranteed health care, guaranteed pay coming in for the rest of your life,
Ryan was much nicer of the two but show me an honest politician and I’ll sign
my castle and all my fleet of Bentleys over to you. I vote none of the above.

Panels = FACTS.....wake up & smell the coffee!!! Open your eyes for god sake!!

Mind Games-7046467~~Your sister-in-law, does not comprehend the facts of Obamacare. Go to HEALTHCARE.GOV, with an open mind and read all the facts, and you will find it is a great legislation, that is needed very badly and most all of the civilized nations, have had universal healthcare for a long time and it works very well for them. Democrats have been seeking to pass healthcare reform for decades, but republicans have blocked it. Now, republicans do not want you to know the real benefits for you in Obamacare. They are lying when they tell you it is bad. They rather deny you benefits that are in your favor, than to let Obama have any credit for working for all of the American people.

Roggis - voting "none of the above" is like knowingly getting into a car of a drunk driver...eventually there WILL be catastrophic consequences....

growing the government is NOT the same as growing the country...

then you know nothing about survivor and widow benes from ss. yes they would pay for him to go too college and also continue his and moms benes til he graduates, otherwise those benes stop at 18 or when he graduates highschool....so yes they did help him go too college. but unlike most american children they are stuck with hig costs and pay way into their 30's to repay and governmanet help to go too college....so who used the SS system , but the one who wnats to cut most of it....

SocSec did help Ryan pay for college in the sense that his family didn't need to use the SocSec survivor benefits he received after his father died to pay daily expenses. So he saved the $ and used it for college. I don't like the guy and think he stretches and manipulates the truth when he's not outright lying, but he's not lying per se about using SocSec $ for college. It's just that saying SocSec paid for his college education gives a different impression than saying he saved the $ and used it when the time came - an example of Ryan's truth manipulation.

So, the polite thing to do would be what Ryan is doing? Smirking before Biden speaks? Taking more than your specified time? Lying again and again.

Please, Joe Biden is a gentleman. Paul Ryan is a brat.

Biden is awful. Rude & just plain stupid.

The debate has degenerated into a brawl. It's like the springer show. It will have no impact on anything aside from everybody's upchuck reflex. Two pols mud-wrestling.

Or, it highlights once again that Ryan is the most lying candidate in VP history! That's the back-up plan? Not for me.

Ryan lying and Biden isn't - you narrow minded partisanship is clear.

Please, the lying thing gets old. If you are going to call him a liar please list them.

The mainstay of the Obama/Biden campaign:

"Liar, Liar, Pants on Fire!". It's lame. It may work for 4th grade class president, so they figure they'll try it for POTUS.

They don't have a record to run on. They spent $150 million trying to paint Romney as Satan.

But then he had the gall to show up in Denver on stage sans horns and a tail.

So this is all they've got.

he must have learned from romney in the first debate....that is all he did. smirk and interupt, between his lieng teeth.

OB Win- you should check your facts before you speak...you're starting to sound as bad as Joe...btw...they WERE advised that more security was needed in Benghazi...contrary to what smoking Joe claimed...but then again, the most consistent thing of the OB administration is their inconsistency...

I agree. Ryan knows the surface of laws and also of the Middle East...

but no substance....no grasp of issues, as you say.

This is the biggest joke I have ever seen. Two grown men not respecting one another and wanting me to vote for them. The moderstor is horrible? Who chose her? Biden is using half of the truth to make Americans look stupid. People, please do your own research...find out how these men have voted in the past. We need to as Americans, think for ourselves!

Marty - the two parties agree on the moderator. FACT- 80% of American media list their political prefernce as liberal. She is what she is - and that is why the debate is a joke.

Bella2105

I agree. Why isn't Martha doing her job as a moderator? She needs to take control and rein in Biden.

You couldn't get anyone better than Martha. Have you seen her work in the war,

and she's strong. She kept the boys in place. Nothing wrong with Biden. Anything you

say about him, could be said, differently, about anyone else.

Are you serious?! Romney did the EXACT SAME THING last week and was seen as the clear winner of his debate. Or is that just something that Republicans get credit for?

Please stop posting the same lies that the Republicans will sping. If anyone is smirking (oh and you should learn to spell it) and rolling his eyes, it's Paul Ryan. And who coached him that looking down and raising your eyes makes you believable? In fact, it makes you look like a lying brat.

You were never going to vote for Obama. Nice try though

Deep.

HUH?

OB WIN - Ryan looks down to jot down notes. Same thing Obama did in the previous debate. Taking time to reflect before spouting off. You can't seriously think Biden is acting like a mature adult.

I thought Ryan should have been more agressive but Joe Biden's smirking, smiling, and interrupting is embarrassing. He could be the president is scary!

Replay the Romney debate and look at romney. He was smirking, staring and interrupting and embarrassing. Obama was trying to act like a grown up president so he lost because he didnt throw enough tantrums and act up enough. You guys are getting where I don't want to listen to you at all. And Fox News should grow up and quit embarrassing themselves. What people do for money!

Would you even understand a balance sheet if you saw one?

Biden could NOT answer a single question concisely...

I think Biden was so desperate to defend Obama and to drown out Ryan's message that he sunk to infantile behavior like snickering and laughing to distract viewers and to show scorn for Ryan, and his incessant interruptions even to the point of yelling at the moderator. It was a giant embarrassment for the Democratic party, and his bullying behavior could be seen by anyone who had their eyes open. He had no self control, and all I could see were those huge horse teeth constantly, looking like an idiot in a suit.

The moderator was totally lame !!! She let Biden make faces, interrupt, talk over Ryan when it was Ryan's turn to speak -- all night long. She never once asked Biden to wait his turn, she never said anything to indicate that his childish behavior was inappropriate. She did nothing to control the debate so it could proceed without Biden's stupid antics and bullying. If anything I think it was a draw. Bullying does not make a person right, it just makes them show they are desperate to assert themselves.

It's oh so amusing to read these posts when I'm not watching the debate!!!! Quite a different vision painted by blues and reds. I'm anxious to see what the media's take is when it's all over.

Uh......you maen spaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaanking.

Your comment is not fair to grumpy old men!

Well AZhusker76, the moderator is a personal friend of the Obamas. (They attended her wedding in '91). Biden is simply a buffoon. His intent was not to debate, but to belittle Ryan. He came off looking like the class clown instead, laughing while the discussion was about deeply serious issues, including murdered Americans. Ryan handled it all with character and poise.

About what?

Apparently you have a typo....you meant to say Ryan not Biden. Lyin' Ryan strikes again.

That was a really intelligent reply. Are you 12?