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Subscribe to RSSIt will be a tall order for Paul Ryan to match the strong debate performance delivered by his ticket mate, Mitt Romney, last week in Denver. But that’s just what the Republican vice presidential nominee is tasked with doing on Thursday, when he meets the Democratic incumbent veep, Joe Biden, at his first (and only) debate of the 2012 election season.
With Thursday's Vice Presidential debate looming, Paul Ryan and Joe Biden are busy preparing for their big moments. VP debates aren't likely to tip the course of the election, but many of them remain memorable. NBC's Ron Mott reports.
When Romney selected Ryan to be his running mate, the choice was cheered by conservatives excited to have a champion in the cause to curb government spending and reform entitlement programs. But Ryan has also provided Democrats a big target — a result of his proposal to fundamentally transform the Medicare program.
Elected to the House in 1998 at age 28, Ryan is doing something unprecedented for a running mate — bringing a detailed policy agenda with him and finding that the presidential candidate who picked him has accepted it and is also running on it.
GOP Vice Presidential candidate Paul Ryan expects in this week's VP debate for Joe Biden to come at him full force. The Washington Post's Eugene Robinson discusses what he expects from the VP debate and what it could do for the election.
It’s likely that the Ryan budget plan and especially its Medicare transformation will be a primary focus of Biden’s attacks on Ryan in the debate. But it’s unlikely that Biden will go as far as a left-of-center group, The Agenda Project, did last year in making the argument against Ryan’s plan. The group’s TV ad featured a Ryan lookalike actor, with “America the Beautiful” playing in the background, pushing an elderly woman off a cliff to her death, as the ad said, “Is America beautiful without Medicare? Ask Paul Ryan and his friends in Congress.”
Biden will surely be more subtle than that ad, but his argument will be aimed squarely at the crucial demographic in Florida and other states: voters on Medicare or those about to be eligible for the health insurance entitlement.
When Ryan’s party regained control of the House in the 2010 elections, GOP candidates performed best among voters age 65 and older, nearly 60 percent of whom voted Republican, according to exit polls.
Politico's Jonathan Martin talks about the upcoming vice presidential debate and what the match-up between Vice President Biden and Rep. Paul Ryan could look like.
Reforming health care
Here are the highlights from Ryan’s Medicare proposal:
- His reform would gradually increase the Medicare eligibility age to 67.
- The phased-in increase in eligibility would start in 2023.
- His proposal would do away with Medicare’s open-ended payments for those born in 1958 and later.
- Ryan’s plan would not apply to those now receiving Medicare benefits – but he does favor repeal of the Affordable Care Act (ACA), which would mean that today’s seniors would lose the additional prescription drug benefits that the ACA gave them.
But even though Ryan wants to repeal the ACA, his budget blueprint incorporates various cuts to Medicare that were enacted in the overhaul, saving more than $500 billion over ten years. They’re the same kind of cuts that the Republican ticket has criticized Obama for enacting.
It is no accident that Ryan, the policy wonk who says “I'm kind of a PowerPoint guy,” finds himself in this starring role. He almost seemed destined for it back in 2010, when he played the role of chief antagonist to President Barack Obama at the Blair House health care summit. He was tough on entitlement spending and confronted the president with a six-minute lecture on what was wrong with his health care overhaul.
“This bill does not control costs,” Ryan told the president. “This bill does not reduce deficits. Instead, this bill adds a new health care entitlement at a time when we have no idea how to pay for the entitlements we already have.”
At that summit, Ryan also made what has become a core argument in Romney’s speeches and one that the GOP presidential nominee deployed in his first debate with Obama last week: The Affordable Care Act “treats Medicare like a piggy bank. It raids a half a trillion dollars out of Medicare, not to shore up Medicare solvency, but to spend on this new government program.”
Conservative favorite
That six-minute lecture helped make Ryan a hero to GOP base – at a time when the Republican Party was still feeling the sting of Obama’s 2008 victory.
“There were only two choices on the list of VP candidates who would have excited the base, Paul Ryan and Marco Rubio,” said Republican campaign consultant Jason Roe, who is currently working on GOP House races in Illinois, Arizona and California. “What Ryan has done is he’s brought seriousness about what’s going on in Congress and the issues related to the debt and reforming entitlements.”
Ryan “brings kind of a sober sensibility to the debate. Some of the things that he has talked about over the last few years are tough medicine. Even if people don’t agree with him, they at least recognize that he’s being honest about the problems and honest about what the solutions are going to look like,” Roe said.
Before Romney’s strong debate performance last week against Obama, “there were elements of the base that were not yet excited about Romney,” Roe said, and in the period between the GOP convention and that debate victory, Ryan supplied “proxy enthusiasm for the ticket.”
But Democratic strategists say that Ryan’s budget plan provides fodder for them, not only in the presidential race but in congressional races as well.
A few days after Romney chose Ryan, Alixandria Lapp, the executive director of the Democratic House Majority PAC, said, “From House Majority PAC’s inception (in April 2011), it was clear that the Ryan budget could be the key to Democrats taking back the House majority.”
House Majority PAC spokesman Andy Stone said Tuesday, “It’s not a state secret that we were going to use Ryan budget attacks against Republican candidates this cycle. They’re incredibly potent – all the polling has demonstrated that. The fact that Paul Ryan is on the top of the ticket now means that they are that much more effective. And we can see the effect of these hits in lots of districts around the country.”
He cited House Majority PAC TV ads which are being run against first-term Republicans Rep. Daniel Webster in Florida and Rep. Jeff Denham in California, as well as against seven-term Rep. Charlie Bass in New Hampshire.
Sovereign debt crisis warnings
Republicans have been offering proposals for more than 20 years to redesign Medicare, but it’s the reality of sovereign debt crises in European nations that has given a new urgency to the case for entitlement reform. Ryan sounded that theme Monday night at a Pontiac, Mich., fundraiser: “The worst thing that could happen is President Obama gets re-elected and we go down on a path towards a debt crisis.”
But he has been sounding that alarm for well over two years: “You have Portugal, Italy, Greece, Spain with huge debt crises. We should not fool ourselves to think that that could not come here,” Ryan said early in 2010 in an interview with MSNBC’s Chris Matthews.
Differences with Romney
On Thursday night, Biden might seek to highlight Ryan’s differences with Romney on at least on at least two significant issues, abortion and the 2009 GM/Chrysler bailout.
Romney would allow abortions in cases of rape or incest, or when the mother’s life is in danger. But Ryan’s position is that abortions, even in the case of rape and incest, should be banned.
Ryan also voted for the 2009 GM/Chrysler bailout, which Romney opposed, and as recently as Monday lamented the loss of auto industry jobs. “In the district I represent, we lost two Delphi (parts) plants, we lost a Chrysler engine plant, we lost the GM plant in Janesville where I live. So trust me when I say, we know a very healthy auto economy is healthy for America,” he said.
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Biden MAY have a chance if Ryan doesn't show up. Otherwise I think Ole Joe may have a long row to hoe. He may do better than his Boss if he would at least look up from his shoes every now & then.
Let’s apply a little logic to the voucher vs Medicare question. If you have 100 people in an insurance pool paying 1200 a year and insurance companies offer 50 of them a lower rate because they are in better health, that will leave 50 that would be more likely to need health care. Thus, it would be more expensive. This would require an increase in the amount charged to seniors that remain on Medicare. If healthy seniors receive the same amount paid by Medicare seniors, in the second year, will the receive an increase.
Once again Romney/Ryan are putting forth a plan without telling how it will work. It is not that their plans are bad, it is just they have no plans
Well, we will have to see WHICH Paul Ryan will show up. Will it be the one who wants to eliminate Medicare and Medicaid, repeal Dodd/Frank, roll back benefits for veterans or will it be the one who ran the marathon in under 3 hours ?
I expect that whoever shows up on the Republican podium, if you decide to drink for each lie, by halfway through the debate, you'll be well on your way to being drunk.
even my uncle a hard core Liberal Union guy, says that Joe Biden will make it worst. Remember Libs there will be no teleprompter Joe is toast.
Romney Ryan 2012, " and I voted for Obama back in 08 "
jorge, you should look at the youtube video CLEARLY showing Romney sneakily taking notes out of his pocket and putting them on the podium in front of him...plainly put, Romney cheated...i hope they make sure next time to not allow him notes, or allow Obama to have them as well. I doubt willard will do as well if thats the case. Also, EVERYTHING Romney said in that debate was either an outright lie, or went directly against his views just weeks earlier. Vote for whomever you want, but dont be fooled by the bs
We have 350,000,000 personal weapons in the USA that is all the defense we need so wipe out DOD except for the nukes and use the $800B to pay down the debt and leave SS and Medicare alone.
Use the Internet to teach middle and high school through college and save another trillion or so.
Eliminate all taxes except for a single sales tax - which would provide a report card on the health of the economy and limit government spending to a percentage of the GDP. Pure consumer tax about as fair as can be done.
Eliminate private sector election funding and force the media to provide free ads 30 days prior to any election and have at least two non-moderated debates for the candidates. stop all ads 48 hours prior to election day to give people a chance to think.
OK extremists on both sides of the fence go ahead and yell.
Erskine Bowles, co-chair of President Barack Obama's budget-deficit commission had this to say of Paul Ryan.
That's a democrat saying good things about a republican on UNC Chapill Hill campus, a very liberal school.
I wonder how deep Ryan will pile up the Bull$#!^.
Ryan could win by just asking Ole Joe to explain ANYTHING about the limits of the federal government according to the Constitution.................
What is Amazing is the select few number of Naive Americans who have
beenConned/Fooled by the republicanCrimeCartelPropagandaMachine. Think about
it... These Very Well monied, SnakeOilSalemen: MittTaxPittanceRommel and his
SideKick, Eddie Munster, are The Elitist Thug's economic Hitters Who Caused This
Whole WORLD Disaster Starting with President Reagan and MOST ASSUREDLY
Pronounced with KingGeorge The VacuumBrained during his NOTORIOUSLY SHAMEFUL
Shrubber Reign 2001- 2008. These Amoral Politaphiles are into Contolling and
Manipulating America in their favor, at the pleasure of their 1-10%er and
corporate Masters, ACTUALLY StealingAmerica's economic power. Research It: These
Republican 1-10% wealthy and corporate Thieves have OVER $40 Trillion Dollars,
OUR MONEY, Stolen From US with Their Phony Bank Fees and out and out Acoount
Looting, Stashed in Overseas accounts in their names and registration numbered foreign accounts.
Money needed for rebuilding America NOT Bloating their elitist "family wealth" for the future of their "Little Darlings" SUCH AS Rommels $48,000,000 Malibu Mansion WITH an InHouse Car Elevator for his
son's $180,000 Ferrari. Prez O is the ONLY Choice. These ARISTOCRAT ELITIST
THUGS callingthemselves "republicans" BELONG IN PRISON NOT in Congress or The
WhitHouse. Now Try this one on for size: President Harry Truman in 1948:"The Republicans … will try to make people believe that everything the Government has done for the
country is socialism. They will go to the people and say:
"Did you see that social security check you received the other day—you
thought that was good for you, didn't you? That's just too bad! That's
nothing in the world but socialism.
Did you see that new flood control dam the
Government is building over there for the protection of
your property? Sorry—that's awful socialism! That new hospital that they are
building is socialism. Price supports, more socialism for the farmers! Minimum
wage laws? Socialism for labor! Socialism is bad for you, my
friend.
Everybody knows that. And here you are, with your new car, and your home, and better opportunities for the kids, and a television set—you are just surrounded by socialism! Now the Republicans
say, 'That's a
terrible thing, my
friend, and the only way out of this
sinkhole of socialism is to vote for the
Republican ticket.'" And, AND!, AND!!! that was 64 Years Ago!!!. The republicanCrimeCartel is still doing
the same exploitation of people THEY ARE NOTORIUS FOR. BUT, according
toKingGeorgeTheVacuumBrained, it is called "free market" capitalism;
with families in the streets and 35% Unemployment and worse, WAY Worse
with MittTaxPittanceRommel and his buddy EddiMunster. Fellow and Sister
Americans: A vote for ANY republicanCrimeCartelSoldier, Rommel and EddiMunster
And The Boner and the other politicos up on crapital hill where they are
controlling The House Of Reptiles, is a vote AGAINST Yours and Your
Family's Well Being. You Can Take That
Advice To The
Bank. And What does Rommel Say??: "That 47% WHO depend on the government- I
DON'T CARE ABOUT THEM. I care about the 1-10%Evil Rich and EVIL EVIL
Corporate Rich B@$T@RD$ Like ME*ME* ME*ME!!! Sister and Brother Americans, Rommel and EddiMunster ARE NOT "The Dynamic Duo", Without A Doubt THEY ARE THE DISGUSTING Duo. At Election time Listen to that InnerVoice, You're Guardian Angel; Let's KEEP Prez O Around the WhiteHouse; otherwise "Those Two" and their Pals
will "CLEAN HOUSE" With US Payin' The Freight.
that's right David I got fooled once but not twice, I mean Obama had his term and it just got worst, even he said that If this thing wasn't done in 3 years then he should be a 1 term president, I mean don't get me wrong I wish he had done good but he didn't. Like sports man if one player is not doing the job then replace him, in order to win a game.
with respect.
Obama has a plan to minimize the damage that Biden will do to him in a debate..............they are giving Joe the wrong address and time and hoping that he doesn't show.
Hey MSNBC;
That's like calling a trained sniper a target when hunting deer. Are you people stupid or something ?
Romney Ryan. I voted for Bob Barr in "08
Biden going to try and crack jokes and dominate debate and look like a babbling fool...Ryan is a very detailed speaker and has extreme knowledge in finance and is well spoken.. Biden is well,,,,,an idiot and will be embarrassed for the fool he is...
bin laden dead an GM alive won't work he needs a something new..Oh yea that's all they have to show for 4yrs.. health care is non starter they can be proud they have caused all big business to drop health-care as a benefit and know more people have been placed on obamacare not because it covers the uninsured but because it covers the recently dropped and the same non insured is guess what .....still uninsured WHY because in order to get insured you NEED A JOB to pay for it .
Biden: "Constitution............I had one of those back in college........I loved that Chevy Constitution best car I ever owned"
Hey if you are 55 and younger get ready for a Health Voucher, You can choose between a Heart attack and a Stroke but you cant get both unless you pay that additional 8 thousand a year to your insurance company, and then you got to hope that they don't throw you off the insurance, because we know the insurance company has a heart and are not in it for the Bottom dollar
The GOP/Tea Party Chant is Lets Vote for Romney and lets get rid of all of the parasitic Seniors
Obama/Biden your Grandparents life depend on it
PhantomBeast===Wow you do need Obama-Care and all it has to offer.
Bidden is a biggest fool of all running mates! He commits more gaffes than any other and I predict he will look and do even worse than Obama. Though, I'm sure he will lose his 'cool' where Obama didn't.
One word..............BIDEN..............nuff said.............
ir12, I am no spring chicken and I do not believe it is some else's responsibility to take care of me. If my meager savings and my family do not want to help then it is my problem and I should just let nature take its course. If you blow your money and expect me to take care of you, my care would be a pillow over your face. Your health care is not my concern.
Obama will be standing just off-stage during the VP debate with one of those old Vaudville hooks to pull Biden off the stage when he starts stumbling/gaffe-ing.
Ryan, the psychopath, is the perfect running mate for Willard, the sociopath.
I finally figured out why Barry picked Joe..... he's the only one that doesn't understand what's really going on with this administration................
Biden's biggest opponent will be Biden. The gaffe machine couldn't even win against Sarah Palin (as in not even knowing which Article of the Constitution covers the role of the Vice President).
My position is the Republican Party is not the Republican Party they are anti democrats.
Which party started the EPA?
I just ask that you grow up and be Republicans.
Politicians are like a mix between movie star wanna bees and insurance salesmen. Come on give me the Jacobs nod.
What an idiotic post.
Jorge~
How exactly is it worse?
Osama Bin Laden is dead-Mitt & McCain both said they wouldn't go into Pakistan to get him.
401K plans are gaining-They were losing when a republican was in charge
Unemployment has gone down-It was skyrocketing when the republican left office
The Federal government hasn't gone after birth control & abortions-unlike the republican majority run states that have attacked abortion rights AND birth control.
So, please tell me how it has gotten so much worse that you'd vote for someone who has policies that are a reincarnation of GWB's policies?
Were the people of Mass happy with Mitt as governor? No! Does he change his positions more than he changes socks? Maybe and maybe not, it's hard to tell. Might even be more, could be less, either way he's a flip flopper.
So if you truly did vote for Obama in 08, what has gone so terribly wrong that you want to vote back in the policies that we are only JUST NOW starting to find our way out of? I'd love an explanation, and you seem reasonable since you didn't vote for dumb and dumber in 08. Please enlighten me.
Paul Ryan's justification for killing Medicare as we know it is a LIE. It isn't because of a Eorpean economy. It isn't because of insolvency. And it isn't an Entitlement. People become entitled when feeling they deserve something without qualifying for it. People must qualify for Medicare/Social Security from credits earned by contribution by FICA contributions. It's rather simple.
The Baby Boomer generation was born from 1945-1964. Within this generation was an influx of America's population. As they now approach retirement, they become Medicare/Social Security enrolees. As the enrollment of Baby Boomers swell during a shrinking demographic for funding. Republicans refuse to make adjustments for enrollees premiums and would rather END Medicare, as we know it.......for offsetting costs of COPORATE TAX CUTS. It has nothing to do with the economy. Medicare can always be solvent when funded correctly due to FICA contributions from the American tax payer.
Don't buy the Paul Ryan-Romney BS line...........
Obama/Biden 2012
Hey, no, boomer, I'm not going to yell. I agree with you. I would also add:
End the war on drugs
End the privatization of the penal system
No sales tax on food, shelter and medical care
Allow documented guest workers (immigration reform)
Repeal/Amend Constitution to revoke Citizen's United (Corporations are not people nor are they voluntary associations, they are solely immortal entities formed by people to limit personal liability and perform other fiscal functions, whose political actions are not necessarily the expressed will of the shareholders)
Repeal NDAA. The Army should not have the right to detain US citizens indefinitely without trial, nor should they have the right to fly drones over US soil
Repeal the Patriot Act. Reform the Department of Homeland Security (and re-name it to something that sounds less fascistic)
And we're on our way to utopia.
rod.g Medicare is a government program that people have paid into over a 40 year career. It can be fixed, but Ryan is trying to destroy it so it can be eliminated. Where do you get the idea it is someone else taking care of you.
Biden will look like the fool he is and will be toast when Ryan is done with him.
rod.g
You were born in the wrong time...... You should of been born in 1910 That way when the Nazis came to power and started there mass Killings, you would of fit in nicely with that crowd, but then again when Nuremberg Hit you probably would of been 1 of those swinging on the gallows
Wow...the teabaggers are really showing their true colors. The usual ignorant slaughtering of the English Language aside, now we have "patriots" like "rod.g" saying that if you can not afford health care, he will be happy to murder you.
Please take careful note as to which candidate these evil idiots are supporting.
Jorge-2541621
that's right David I got fooled once but not twice, I mean Obama had his term and it just got worst, even he said that If this thing wasn't done in 3 years then he should be a 1 term president, I mean don't get me wrong I wish he had done good but he didn't. Like sports man if one player is not doing the job then replace him, in order to win a game."
This is an amazing statement to make..you favor Romney and the republicans over Obama for failing..but at what ? When he took office the republican president Bush..left a huge debt and two on goning wars...just how did you think they would be paid for ? Just how is Romney going to get anything done..his talk is cool..but his substance amounts to nothing. The idea of any politican telling me to trust him..just elect him and let him do as he pleases..I would hope that his nation is not that dumb.
This article is a steaming pile! It sounds like it was written by Biden.
I'm actually looking forward to this one...thought Mitt might of had a problem with Obama but knew Ryan would mop the floor with that dumb ass Biden. Conservative's dreams came to reality...
Obama/Biden...one and DONE!
Hell, I may have to pop-up some corn for this Thursday's treat! Should be a show worth watching!
ryan's placard on his podium is right: we can't afford another four years of trickle-down economics. Under this plan the only thing we grow is poverty and wealth redistribution to the rich. Now if only enough voters will wake up to this fact and vote for the least worst candidate, the corporate puppet running with the most crumbs for the working class will get elected. I know to some of you whiter than whitebreads, O'bomber looks like a scary negro, but look at the ryan/rmoney plans closely - it's more frightening and dangerous than a whole platoon of scary negroes!
Funny how Romney and Ryan that Ryan is not running for President I am, well Ryan is running for President also because if Mitt does win and something happends to Mitt then he will become President. This bs needs to be debunked by the Dems when he or Romney says that besides they both support each others plan!!
ir12 on Medicare - ROMNEY: The president said that the government can provide the service at lower cost and without a profit. If that's the case, then it will always be the best product that people can purchase.
I have only one thing to say, and I quote Bill Clinton here. Republicans never, never let the facts get it their way. I see many things posted here that have been disproved time and again, but all these people with oatmeal for brains wouldn't know the truth if it bit them on their butts;.
The ? is ..... How big of a target will Ryan be ?
Oh about as big as an elephants belly..
No...Better yet, Christie's and/or Rush's bellies
I'm just curious if Ryan will follow Mitts suit by twisting, distorting, & flipping his plans to confuse the opponent.
Sister and Brother American, PULLEEEZZZEEE Wake Up!! It is bad enough these aristocrat elitist morons who call themselves the republicanCrimeCartel have roots GoingBack to their bozo ancesters who STARTED the Civil War in 1861 because of their Ill Gotten Wealth and Slavery, Sound Familiar..?, and Promptly Ran the Confedracy into the Ground. MittTaxPittanceRommel, EddiMunster aka Lyin'Ryan, THE BONER, Mitch Th'B!TCHMcConMan,Eric Cant' or Else and their other confedrates have one plan: To Transform America into an Indentured Servant Nation; Ask Yourself "How Could We have installed KingGeorge TheVacuumBrained TWICE!! The King IS the Planet's AntiChrist; as we may be entering a Planetary Economic Depression BECAUSE of These republicanCrimeCartelsoldiers. Here is A Very Helpful Link:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=og35U0d6WKY&feature=player_detailpage
You could put Ryan in a barrel & Ole Joe would still miss the target........ hope Ryan doesn't embarrass the VP too much.........
rob b senilate must have set in with you I don;t understand how dense and stupid you are you should be seathing at the bet that all the moneyover the years you put into FICA is gone and all your getting is a piece of paper unless your on welfare already most of you Rebulicans must be sence they can blog all day !
I don’t know. How tall is Joe?
Lol @ David Saint. He cheated? Really? That's where we're at now? That's not fair, he came prepared... Holy sh!t, you people are f'ing hillarious.
@ IndependentinSD. First, you're not an independent. Second, I have to admit I still chuckle a little every time I hear someone say those of this or that political persuasion wish death upon seniors... I still appreciate unabashed idiocy; there's a comedic void there in which someone of your maturity level might do well.
Now that's funny. For starters, I watched the whole thing and never saw him do anything of the sort and the fact is that there are very few formal rules for presidential debates and that's not one of them. Besides, being prepared is not "cheating." I'd wager that most Democrats wish obama had managed even half as much.
I don't know if Ryan will win this debate or not but I hope so and believe it is a distinct possibility. At the very least, hopefully he'll manage to show America who Biden really is and just how much of a plan obama/biden DON'T have.
Romney/Ryan 2012
Is this the same guy who said "I never had sex with that woman" while under oath? And one of my all time favorites "define IS" while being questioned.
Notes:
-Biden is severly gaffe prone. The word is that they are teaching Biden one line zingers to hit Ryan with. Odds are he botches at least one of those one liners and it becomes famous.
-David Axelrod is personally overseeing Biden's training. I don't think Biden is too "trainable".
-Biden has a tendency to make up stuff and use as fact and rebut using something else made up in thin air. If Ryan cannot give a one or two line rebuttle to a Biden made-up fact, Ryan will lose.
-The dangers for Ryan is to try to explain too much, with too much detail. This leaves him open to be shreaded.
If Ryan sticks to the program, stays brief, without stumbling over left field remarks by Biden he should win.
A tie works for either campaign, and keeps them from a week or two of damage control.
I love uncle Joe, how can you not like the man? He says the funniest things
@Jorge-2531621
I don't mean to pick on you, but do you really feel that you were fooled by voting for Obama in 2008? Have you followed him since to see what he's accomplished? Do you know that he was dealing with a hostile Republican congress most of the time that were sabotaging all of us?
What got worse for you, Jorge?
Paul Ryans loves Ayn Rand but most people dont know is that Ayn Rand Blueprint was Adolph Hitlers Mein Kampf and I heard a Rumor that Paul Ryan Loved Marge Schott the late owner of the Cincinnatti Reds who herself was a devoted follower of the Nazi Party
The Choice is very clear come November
A Vote for Robme/Lyin Ryan is a Vote for War, Death and destruction of our Children
A Vote for Obama/Biden is a Vote for Sanity and Safety of our Children
It is not hard....... VOTE STRAIGHT DEMOCRAT THROW THE GOP/AMERICAN TALIBAN OUT OF OFFICE
We already have seen what Bush and the GOP did to the USA in 2008, and we have Mittens/Bush2.0 steroided out wanting the same old failed policys
........so says the delusional paranoid schizophrenic
Biden only has to ask one question of Ryan. "How much more can the republicans and foundation families take from the average american before they break"? And all of you should ask that question too. America is not a couple of shinny seas, it's not some purple mountains. It is "WE THE PEOPLE". So make sure you vote, and please don't complain when you get what you deserve. it's clear that Bush did not do enough damage to wake you up. not enough disfigured vets, not enough people who lost homes. perhaps Romney will. When you and I are long gone, our kids will feel the pain of de-regulation, the end of human services and the end of America. Good luck all. Be my guest. Look your children in the eye, and then vote their demise.
Obama/biden or bust.
Colorado-Man,
If you think the State of Colorado will take care of you when elderly / ill after Paul Ryan would succeed in destroying Medicare as we know it. You'll be an old crippled man living in the Bush from your ignorance. And I hear winters are mighty cold in Colorado. Don't be ignorant...or you'll pay for your ignorance.
It will be the Joe Biden Comedy hour. the theme of the nights entertainment wil be flubs and gaffs. His first statement will be, "we are living in the 20th c, and things have changed in which the country has grown...he actually believes living in the 20th c. that will be the end of that. I am ready for the laughs and his implosion.
I guess the good thing is that none of the libs are here babbling like they did last week before the debates......"Obama is going to destroy Romney". All they can say to Ryan debating Biden is "well Ryan lies". Lets see how that works out on Thursday. Drunk Joe is going to get his clock cleaned.
ryan will not only hand biden his hat he will eat his lunch.
Romney/Ryans plan for Seniors
Little Timmy came over to Gran-ma and Gran-pas House to celebrate Gran-pas 80th Birthday, when little Timmy got there he was surprised to Gran-pa not home, he asked Gran-ma where is Gran-pa and Gran-ma said he is working at McDonald's so he can pay the extra costs of Romney/Ryans Health Voucher, and he will be Home soon and then you and gran-pa can have some cake, Little Timmy said what about Cake for you Gran-ma? Granny said I cant Timmy I got to go and work the 2nd shift at McDonald's to pay for our Medication that Romney/Ryan has increased to $800.00 more a year. Granny told Little Timmy I voted for Romney/Ryan I believed all the Lies they told and now I wish I didn't. Romney/Ryan stole the Gold from our GOLDEN Years said Granny as she left the house
Obama/Biden 2012 You, Your Children and Grandparents Lives Depend on it
Mike X. - Thank you for proving that Democrats just HAVE to race-bait at every turn. Brilliant!
Let's remember who Biden really is. He ran for President in 1988 but had to quit when it was learned that he plagiarized - not only a speech of British Labor Party leader Neil Kinnock - but Mr. Kinnock's life story. He lied about being the first of his family to attend college and lied about his ancestor's working in the coal mines.
Think about that all you Obama supporters who are throwing the word liar at Ryan and Romney. Of all the people running in the presidential election only one has been caught red handed as a complete and utter liar and that is Joe Biden.
To all you 47ers out there...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwhBRJStz7w
United We stand,
What about all of the Republicans bills that have been sitting on Harry Reids desk? Seems to me that the obstruction is coming from the dems. And, are you blind? How is the country better since Barry took office? Let me guess......we are more united as a nation? No thats not it. The private sector is doing fine? No. Barry will pull the troops out the first day he is president? No. Gitmo will be closed? No. Ahhhh, you get the point. Maybe you need to look to some other news outlets besides MSN.
I look at like it is, Obama triple our debt, unemployment is not were it supposed to be and they don't even count the people that ran out of unemployment like two of my friends, he told Russian leader that he would be more accessible once he is re-elected, look at the mess in the middle east, he put the Muslim Brotherhood in power and look at what happened, and if a guy like Hugo Chavez say that he would vote for Obama then that is pretty bad, and have you gone to the grocery store or put gas in your car? overall he never had the experience to be a president,
I hope that I don't get insulted.
That myth has been thoroughly debunked. What he took out was a handkerchief - he even used it several times during the debate. You guys will grasp at any straw won't you.
Ryan will be armed with the truth and the facts, the same things that caused Romney to make Obama look like a deer in the headlights at the last debate. So, I figure when Ryan hits old Joe with the truth and facts, Biden will probably start to stutter and start speaking like a black preacher again.
Irish, there hasn't been a single bill proposed in two months. And last I checked the 43 over the last six proposed by democrats have all been sitting on republican desks. Do not spin the facts 180 degrees.
So those who are age 55, who have worked for 35 years and paid into social security expecting to have medical coverage in their later years, would be at the mercy of the insurance industry? Nice that the politicians have their "special" medical care insurance, paid for by our tax dollars, so they (and their families) never have to worry about having access to health care should the need arise.
What's next for this super team? Taking advantage of climate change - when the icebergs break off they'll be able to herd the old folks onto them and solve the problem of all those "entitlement leeches on Medicare?
A vote for Romney is a vote against the middle class.
Obama / Biden 2012
@ Ron H You do know fact checkers said nearly every one of Romney's statements was a flat out lie or contradiction to what he said only weeks prior right? He won the debate and then got caught redhanded and the new gallup going out tonight will prove just how much he tripped at the finish line, and he still has to make up over 40 electoral votes. Mittens doesn't have a prayer with the electorate, only the popular, and it's an idiotic populace.
Ryan wants the 95% to die young and broke and pass zero generational wealth down the ladder. That's a big piece of corn that even a blind chicken could find. I hope Biden doesn't fight lies and deception with restraint and a feather duster like Obama did.
You mean the hostile Republican congress where the Democrats controlled both houses for two years?
We will witness a second woopin Thursday night!!!
Mitt Is It!!!
Funny, went to factcheck.org and while the found some inflated numbers by Romney they found that Obama constantly mis-represented Romney's positions. The real fact is that Obama has been caught "redhanded" as much or more than Romney. You guys just don't like to talk about that.
Q22 you do need to be upfront about Obama's answers. Fact Check did say that he was factual on one thing during the debate. When he said it was his anniversary.............that was a truthful statement...............after that it gets a little fuzzy.
Ryan's Couponcare is pure evil.
@ MQ 1978,
You omitted a couple letters b4 " I T "
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The fact that Joe would take over if anything ever happened to President Obama is the single biggest reason that the Obama/Biden ticket should be avoided by anyone concerned about this country. The thought of a President Biden is simply too much to bear.
ROMNEY/RYAN 2012 - Because Competence Matters
PhantomBeast whatever your taking..............it ain't working. At least switch to decaf.
From 1948 - 2008 (60 years)
there were 39 months with unemployment above 8 percent
Under Obama alone, 43 months with unemployment above 8 percent
We can NOT afford four more years under this president.
Obama needs to go!!!
Robme/Ryans Big Plan....... The Middle Class get Medical Vouchers so Robme/Ryan and the top 2% can get a 5.1 Trillion Dollar Tax Break. and yet some of you GOP faithful are OK with that? Amazing the ignorance of some on the right, and Robme/Ryan are going to explode our Debt to the Tune of 2.3 TRILLION Dollars more a Year. So the Wealthy can get a Bigger Tax break. Seriously Folks the wealthy are taking your lunch and Clothes and you are to Brainwashed by Phuks News to see the light
Obama/Biden 2012 let the Upper class fend for themselves and stay away from my middle class Money
Michigan Mark, obviously we are not cheering for the same guy, but you made me laugh... funny.
Patrick93, "people" like "ronh" care nothing for the truth and will only spew what they are being told to spew. As long as Karl Rove is out of prison, you can expect nothing more than these turd-blossoms in training from the right. Sad, isn't it?
Thanks MQ,
They’re the same kind of cuts that the Republican ticket has criticized Obama for enacting.
And I'm pretty sure Joe Biden is well aware of that.
Shockedanddisgusted
Care to explain these?
Below is a list of Obama’s documented lies so far with the most recent lies first. If you see we are missing a documented lie Submit the lie here.
Lies During Fourth Year
“Under Gov. Romney’s definition … Donald Trump is a small business.”
politifact.com
Because of Obamacare, “over the last two years, health care premiums have gone up — it’s true — but they’ve gone up slower than any time in the last 50 years.”
politifact.com
“I think it’s important for us to understand that the Fast and Furious program was a field-initiated program begun under the previous administration”
abcnews.com
Romney and Ryan will gut pell grants for low-income college students.
Factcheck.org
My budget will cut the deficit by $4 Trillion over 10 years.
Factcheck.org
“I am told that Governor Romney’s new running mate, Paul Ryan, might be around Iowa the next few days,” he said while in Council Bluffs, Iowa. “He is one of the leaders of Congress standing in the way. So if you happen to see Congressman Ryan, tell him how important this farm bill is to Iowa and our rural communities.”
House passed bill on August 2, 2012 (Paul Ryan voted yes)
The American automobile industry has come roaring back…So now I want to say what we did with the auto industry, we can do it in manufacturing across America. Let’s make sure advanced, high-tech manufacturing jobs take root here, not in China. And that means supporting investment here. Governor Romney … invested in companies that were called ‘pioneers’ of outsourcing. I don’t want to outsource. I want to insource.
Forbes- Outsourcer-In-Chief: Obama Of General Motors
“You Didn’t Build that”
A few examples
Lies During Third Year
I will walk on that picket line with you, if workers are denied the right to bargain.
Youtube
In his 2012 State of the Union Address, President Obama said that American oil production is the highest that it’s been in eight years.
www.breitbart.com
I’ve done more for Israel’s security than any President ever
Obama aided Islamic Extremists take over of Egypt/ Libya – Weapons pour into Gaza
Virtually every Senate Republican voted against the tax cut last week
Examiner
“Every idea that we’ve put forward are ones that traditionally have been supported by Democrats and Republicans alike.”
Like Raising taxes?
Obama met highly qualified out of work teacher Robert Baroz
He wasn’t out of work and Obama never met him.
GOP Responsible for Obama Jobs Bill Not Passing
Dems Rejected Jobs Bill
You have 80 percent of the American people who support a balanced approach. Eighty percent of the American people support an approach that includes revenues and includes cuts. So the notion that somehow the American people aren’t sold is not the problem
Gallup Poll: Only 69%
These are obligations that the United States has taken on in the past. Congress has run up the credit card, and we now have an obligation to pay our bills.
Looks like it’s been incurred mostly in the years of Obama
Jobs Bill Paid for
Seems not so much Paid for
Then you’ve got their(GOP)which is dirtier air, dirtier water, less people with health insurance
Barack Obama, campaiging in Asheville, NC, 10/17/11
I cannot guarantee that those checks go out on August 3rd if we haven’t resolved this issue. Because there may simply not be the money in the coffers to do it.
American.com
USA producing more oil than ever before
Petroleum Insights
Fence between US and Mexico is “Practically Complete”
Department of Homeland Security says 5%
Rich doesn’t pay their fair share.
National Taxpayers Union
Mitt Romney would deny gay people the right to adopt children.
Cnn Interview
Lies During Second Year
Obama claimed the SCOTUS decision in Citizens United v. FEC, “open[ed] the floodgates for special interests — including foreign corporations — to spend without limit in our elections.
nationalreview.com
No signing statements to nullify or undermine congressional instructions as enacted into law
Obama Lies to Keep Czars
No “boots” on the ground Libya
Anyone that has worked with the AC-130 gunship can tell you, you need spotters to let aircraft know where the targets are. Usually it is Special Forces, Rangers etc trained for this mission. It’s CIA Agents in Libya on the ground
Reform will also rein in the abuse and excess that nearly brought down our financial system. It will finally bring transparency to the kinds of complex, risky transactions that helped trigger the financial crisis.
Obama Lies About Financial Reform Bill
All Americans WILL BE were, “surprised, disappointed and angry” about lockerbie bomber
Obama Memo
I will not rest until the BP Oil Spill stops
Obama’s Schedule
The health care bill will not increase the deficit by one dime.
Campaign and Presidency
If you like the health care plan you have you can keep it
TownHall
“Under our plan, no federal dollars will be used to fund abortions, and federal conscience laws will remain in place.”
U.S. Capitol, Washington, D.C., September 9, 2009.
ObamaCare Fee is not a new tax
Obama denies healthcare is a new tax on all Americans
We have run out of places in the US to drill for oil.
Obama’s oval office speech in June 2010
Now suddenly if you don’t have your papers and you took your kid out to get ice cream, you can be harassed, that’s something that could potentially happen.
Arizona Immigration Law
Doctors choose amputation because they get better compensation. Greedy Doctors taking out tonsils for more money.
Claims never documented
The Health Care Package will pay for itself
Time
Republicans don’t have a single idea that’s different from George Bush’s ideas — not one.
Hmm Immigration?
We shouldn’t Mandate the purchase of health care
Democratic Debate Lies
Obama says he’ll save average family $8,000 in gas
Video Proof
I am immediately instituting PayGo “Pay as you go”
Said during a speech immediately after the Trillion Dollar “Shovel Ready” bill.
I got the Message from Massachusetts
Daily Bail
Lies During First Year
We began by passing a Recovery Act that has already saved or created over 150,000 jobs.” – caught cooking the books and now changed to ‘jobs supported’ versus ‘created/saved’
AP fact Checker
Number one, we inherited a $1.3 trillion deficit. … That wasn’t me.” – Congress, under Democratic control in 2007 and 2008, controlled the purse strings that led to the deficit Obama inherited.Obama supported the emergency bailout package in Bush’s final months — a package Democratic leaders wanted to make bigger.
AP fact Checker
Collective salvation
Obama calls himself a Christian
I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.
Obama Inauguration. 20 Jan 2009
Cut Deficit in Half by end of first term
Associated Press Video
Health Care deals will be covered on C-span
Obama Lies
As President I will recognize the Armenian Genocide
ABC
Recovery Act will save or create jobs
ABC News
Unemployment rate will be 8.5% without stimulus.
Obama Lies
No Earmarks in the $787 Billion Stimulus
CNN
I happen to be a proponent of a single payer universal health care plan
Specator.Org
We have launched a housing plan that will help responsible families facing the threat of foreclosure lower their monthly payments and refinance their mortgages.
Obama Lies
I am not somebody who promotes same-sex marriage.
NPR
Guantanamo bay to be closed within a year
Council on Foreign Relations.
Won’t Raise taxes on those making less than 250,000 per year.
Businessweek: Obama Agnostic on taxes
List of Tax Promise Violations
2008 Campaign Lies
I will walk the picket line with you, if workers are denied the right to bargain
Youtube
No more wiretapping of citizens
Youtube
Mr. Ayers as “a guy who lives in my neighborhood,” but “not somebody who I exchange ideas from on a regular basis.
News Busters
I had a uncle who was one of the, who was part of the first American troops to go into Auschwitz and liberate the concentration camps
United States Holocaust Memorial Museum
Obama campaign would accept public funding
ABC
Minimum Wage will increase to $9.50/hr
A Socialist
Ann Dunham spent the months before her death in 1995 fighting with insurance companies that sought to deny her the coverage she needed to pay for treatment.
Mounting Heath Care Lies
Didn’t know Jeremiah Wright was Radical
Dreams of My Father – A radical Socialist.
Would have the most transparent administration in History
Cato Institute
We will go through our federal budget – page by page, line by line – eliminating those programs we don’t need, and insisting that those we do operate in a sensible cost-effective way.
Boston Globe
I have visited all 57 states.
Snopes
I’ll get rid of earmarks
Source: Any bill passed during presidency
When a bill lands on my Desk, The American people will have 5 days to review it before I sign it.
Campaign Speech
My father served in World War II.
The Videos and the Facts
Have troops out of Iraq by March 31, 2009
News Video
Seniors Making less than 50,000 will not have to pay taxes
YouTube
Would not vote for any bill supporting troop funding without a firm withdrawal commitment from the Bush Administration.
He has done nothing but continue the Bush admins strategy and to explain how the “surges total failure” has now become his greatest achievement.
Present Votes Are Common In Illinois
NPR
I Won Michigan
Huffington Post
I won Nevada
The Nation
I don’t Have Lobbyists
US News
My Campaign Had Nothing To Do With The 1984 Ad
Crooks and Liars
I Have Always Been Against Iraq
Washington Post
My Wife Didn’t Mean What She Said About Pride In Country
CNN
Barack was never an ACORN trainer and never worked for ACORN in any other capacity.
Obama Campaign Video
I Barely Know Rezko
Sun Times
My Church Is Like Any Other Christian Church
ABC News
Jorge, you do mean worse, right? Learn to speak and then learn to write. It is impossible to read your drivel.
And Romney will add $5 trillion with no plan to pay for it. How is that better?
Perhaps your friends should take personal responsibility for their situations, instead of blaming the President for the fact that they are complete FAILURES.
You do know what personal responsibility is, right?
Now Obama controls the weather and caused a drought?
And I suppose Obama controls speculation, and the power outage that recently occurred, driving up the price.
Wow, you seem to think a President has far more power than they actually possess. Now you sound like the liberals who blamed Bush for Katrina. Congrats, you have become what you despise.
All Ryan has to do is say, And Joe what's your plan? A bunch of stuters and some uhs and Joe will say, they will put youall back in chains!
EVICTION NOTICE: Barry & his pet orangutan have less than 3 months to vacate the White House.
Romney/Ryan 2012 to save what's still good in America!!
The debates are a joke anyway. The events leave the viewer cheated of their time as the events are scripted by the handlers and then spun by the media afterwards.
I just have one question for all the candidates: Since the trickle down and huge tax breaks for the wealthiest few accomplished nothing but creating a greater class divide in this country since the great depression (and as a great as a financial instability also) what are your detailed plans to address the disenfranchisement of the middle class within this country ?
A fairly simple and pointed question that I would give each candidate a chance to answer without any interruption from the other.
Wrong Geo Joe's plan is the same as Obama's bottomline is Ryan can't defend his plan unless he goes up there like Romney did last week and lie to the public and switch his positions, but this time it will be called out by Biden. Obama did drop the ball last week all he had to do was watch the way Teddy Kennedy handled Romney in 1996 and Mitt would have been done for. Obama better put his foot in Romney *** the next debate, but I have to give Romney credit he did what any good salesman would do, he was willing to say and do anything to close a deal. Great acting job Mitt too bad for Obama a lot of dumb reality show watching people fell for it!
This article is an overtly lame attempt by MSNBC to try to boost the failing Obama/Biden campaign. MSNBC would not report the truth if it hit them over the head with a hammer. Romney and Ryan are leading in the polls now, and MSNBC just cannot deal with it.
Paul Ryan will make mince-meat out of Ole Joe (Bite-Me) Biden!
So much whinning by the lefties about Medicare and other government handouts. Grow up and take responsibility for your life and old age.
I am sixty and have no worry I will have what I need for future medical care and treatment. Also remember, we are mortal and not meant to live forever -- make peace with your maker before it is too late.
Seniors abuse Medicare with excessive doctor and ER visits, and they take way too many meds which cause other problems. My in-laws are the worst. They go to the emergency room for every little ache, pain and sniffle. So Medicare pays a $1,000 plus bill for the ER when a doctor's office visit would be no more that $125. There is horrendus waste in our system and it needs to be stopped! They have trays of prescription medicine on their kitchen table, and the sad part is they take what they think they need each day versus what the doctor's instructions are. Absolutely insane. This scenario is very typical.
The emergency room should only be for true life or death emergencies. Any other need should be redirected to the person's doctor either that day or the next business day.
Robiescoole, so just cause I don't have a perfect grammar like you, I'm not supposed to express my opinion I think that you are discriminating some one who is trying he's best, are you a racist? right from the liberal book 101
Amazing headline... Obama & Biden are a HUGE target and the press ignores their "record"... biased or what?
Biden will eat this twerp alive. Lyin' Ryan could never deal with honest Joe Six-pack, much less a man devoted to the common people his entire life. I just hope Ryan doesn't rile Uncle Joe to the point that Joe makes him run crying off the stage. Public spanking is ugly, no matter how much the brat deserves it.
Jorge, you are doing a great job. Don't allow these sheeple to discourage you. This is just the way of the Democrats/Libtards of today. I was an Independent up until 4 years ago. The Dems use to be different but their education level has drop radically. You keep up the good work and know that we Republicans are with you 100%!
Romney/Ryan2012 to keep America America!!
commonsense: This is what you people said before last weeks total annihilation of your messiah! Biden couldn't hold Ryans jock. You all never learn. 1&done!
Biden: "Did you or did not you not say you ran a marathon in under three hours?"
Ryan: "Yes, I did say that"
Biden: "Was that true?"
Ryan: "No, it was a complete fabrication, a lie"
Biden: "If we can't trust you tell the truth about a silly running race, how can we trust anything you have to say regarding issues critical to the United States?"
Ryan: "Well, um, um..."
The Democrats only held a filibuster proof majority for 2 months...but go ahead and tell your story, we won't let the truth get in the way.
usmc 28 as a former navy corpsman i have to ask were you really a leather neck? no disrespect intended.
Looking forward to this.
What will Biden say or do?
Smart people can act dumb, but dumb people cannot act smart. At least not convincingly.
Look for Biden to remove all doubt about his intelligence.
I liked Obama's message during the last election, but really questioned his judgement when he chose Biden as his running mate.
Turns out I was right.
Raleigh Dolly
You Said "I am sixty and have no worry I will have what I need for future medical care and treatment"
Yes because you have got Medicare already, Romneys plan only affects those 55 and under. So you got yours so phuk everyone else, You are a Hypocrite !!!!!!!!! Why dont you put your money where your mouth is and call the Govt and Opt out of Medicare and pay your own Health Insurance and Take responsibility for your own HealthCare. There are Idiots all over this Country
I see DEATH. Death of seniors, maybe YOUR Mom or Dad. No Medicare, no medicaid, no ACA and eventually no Social Security because of Republicans. And of course up above Ryan is calling the ACA another entitlement program, which it is NOT. YOU will pay for health insurance, how is that an entitlement? Of course Paul Ryan will never have to worry about that because he will have his own entitlements for life. I hope you really like Paul Ryan because voting for him gives him a lifetime of entitlements though he wants to take American citizens and throw them off a cliff. Paul Ryan is your DEATH squad. Line them up as he will surely kill everyone that doesn't have finances to live life.
Linda Luke
Dont forget Robme/Ryan want to start 2 more unpaid for Wars so that our Children can fight and die in the Middle East for the next 20 Years, How can a parent look into the eyes of there 13-15 year old kids knowing that if Robme/Ryan get us into these 2 wars chances are there kids or someones kids in there neighborhood will probably wind up dead in a useless war?
It is revealing of the true values (or lack thereof) of the Obama administration and their supporters that at the same time that they hurl constant liar accusations at Romney and Ryan, the Obama people are now established repeat liars engaged in cover up with respect to the Benghazi consulate attack. It is also now clear that administration incompetance and a desire to look good led to the lax security there. If you want documented, proven liars, whose mistakes caused the actual deaths of Americans, look no further than team Obama. Hopefully Susuan Rice and Hilary Clinton will long remember that Obama was willing to make them look like fools publicly for his own political gain.
Q22,
I looked at factcheck.org as well. It was Romney who came out with outright lies. He literally made up numbers on: how many Americans are jobless, how many college graduates are out of work, how much incomes have decreased, how much the deficit increased under Obama, and literally quadrupled the estimates of how many people could potentially lose their healthcare through their employer. He also lied about the 716 billion cut from Medicare (which is not a cut, but a reduction in spending. And that money is slated for paying for prescriptions for seniors. Thus, it actually ends up being a net benefit for seniors.) He also flat out lied about the ACA board because it is explicitly stated in the law that this board can not make decisions, but only suggestions.
On Obama's side, the lies that factcheck.org called out were:
1.) That Romney is proposing a 5 trillion dollar tax cut. But that's not really a lie -- Romney is proposing a 20% tax cut across the board that would amount to 5 trillion dollars over 10 years. Romney claims that he will offset the cost to make it budget neutral, but as factcheck.org points out in that very same article, several studies demonstrate that it would be IMPOSSIBLE for Romney to make that budget neutral. (Thus, another lie in Romney's column).
2.) Obama said that there have been 5 million private sector jobs created. Official numbers put it at roughly 4.6 billion, but Obama was including BLS stats that say there are 500,000 jobs that haven't been included in those numbers (and won't officially be included until after the election). However, the fact remains that with those numbers it's over 5 million jobs that have been created. So, also not a lie. (And factcheck.org specifically states this as well).
3.) Obama will put taxes at Clinton-era rates for high income earners. This is true if you only count his tax plan, but not true if you count extra taxes in the ACA. So, I give you that is definitely a stretch by Obama.
4.) The cut in healthcare costs he implied were due to the ACA. It's true that healthcare costs are down, but people have argued that is due to other factors. So another stretch by Obama.
And that covers all the factchecking that factcheck.org did on the debate. So we have two cases of Obama stretching the truth in his favor.. and at least 8 outright lies from Romney. So, again.. who is the liar?
@fhill, Yes I am a former USMC from 88-96 Semper Fi!
Ryan, a target for Biden! Kind of like Bugs Bunny was a target for Elmer Fudd! Ryan will make Biden look like a three year old trying to wrestle Hulk Hogan! Boy, maybe these libs on MSN finally have shown they have a sense of humor! (Although little common sense!)
Your right, it's like if you were to buy a car because you seen a cool commercial of it rather than researching it's history, reliability and it's safety record. If you were to that with R&R you would'nt come close buying that yugo POS.
Ryan is an idiot; plain and simple. He is not the deficit hawk and "bold guy with the Power Point" that the media has made him out to be. He only embraced deficit reduction when it became politically appealing (aka when Obama went into office). He is actually the physical embodiment of Ayn Randian economics, the economic plan that would make Ronald Reagan shudder (and he voted against Medicare). The Ryan plan not only cuts Medicare severely, but ravages Medicaid and throws tens of millions of American into the ranks of the uninsured, most of them poor people. It cuts trillions of dollars from lower and middle income programs, and worst of all, it squanders the savings on tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans, a $5 trillion tax cut that is more radical than that of Mitt Romney.
Essentially, Paul Ryan's budget is the consequence of the starve-the-beast policies that America bought into when they "elected" Dubya in 2000. Republicans and Democrats alike argue that Bush wasn't a real conservative, since he increased spending just as he cut taxes. But in actuality, when looking at a long-term perspective, Bush adhered to the starve-the-beast policies that is personified by most modern conservatives. He just wasn't able to get into the second phase of it, which was the austerity part. But either way, the Republicans are on the verge of achieving their small-government goal of rolling back the New Deal; if they win in November, hold the House, and take back the Senate, which is still a possibility, they could easily pass the Ryan budget into law, and therefore weaken and potentially eliminate 80 years' worth of blood, sweat, and tears. My fellow liberals, this election is truly the most important in a generation. If we lose this fight, we may lose the economic foundations that built up our nation's supremacy of a social safety net, of social insurance when you are old or disabled, and of a progressive tax code that has each man pay from his ability. In essence, we are fighting for the New Deal all over again, and we're losing.
OBAMA BIDEN 2012
unoitall...Who are you referring to when you write "pet orangutan"?
Thank you for showing all who read these posts that the KKK are firmly behind Miss Mittsy....Of course, anyone with half a brain understands the driving force behind the teabaggers.
Independent in SD. You are an useless troll. I could get by fine without Medicare. I have paid for my health insurance every year since I was 17 years of age. I have also paid for long-term health care insurance because I do not expect anyone or anybody to take care of me. I am responsible for taking care of myself. More Americans need to adopt that attitude and stop sucking off the taxpayers teet.
Ryan doesn't stand a chance period!
Raleigh dolly opt out then you moocher, You are not special most Americans have paid for there Healthcare Insurance along with there Employer for 30 plus years and they have paid into the Medicare Insurance program for 30 plus years to boot, and just because you are above the cutoff line, you say phuk everyone else. Typical Repuke I got mine and Phuk everyone else. Low class Slime at it worst
Thank God you dont have any Kids, because with a I got mine attitude your kids would be Hungry because you made YOURSELF some food attitude
WOW.....
Where are all these PROGRESSIVE JOURNALISTS (I mean OPINION-NATERS) going to go when Mr. Obama loses the election and the PROGRESSIVES (Liberals~Democrats) go dormant for 100 years ?
Oh yeah, they can pack up and all go to Europe....Germany is a good landing spot.....lots of PROGRESSIVES there. Then, they can suck up to Merkel.
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Voted for Obama in 2008 ? Embarrassed yet ?
Yes....No
Bush is definitely embarrassed though. He's not shining around because that will expose Romney's "Bush on steroids plan for the nation" Kinda funny that all the GOP spokes people like Nugent, Palin, Hank jr, etc. have become eerily silent as of late. Koch must have paid them to shut up till after the election while they move into the "hey look I'm rational mode". BUzzzzzzzz.... not buying it.
ROTFLMAO!!!!
I see they sequestered Joe Robinette Biden (yes, his middle name really is Robinette) from the public for the past week or so.
I understand he's "studying" and "practicing" for the debate Thursday. He's feverishly memorizing numbers to go toe-to-toe with Paul Ryan.
The problem he has is that Ryan KNOWS numbers, and what they mean in an economy. Joe "Bite Me" Biden will only know the numbers and not what they mean. Ryan will dismantle him in the first half hour. After that they'll just be counting off Joe's gaffes as they accumulate.
There will be no prompter for Joe to fall back on. Just as Barrack Hussein was like a lost child in the forest without his teleprompter, so will "Bite Me" Biden.
Didn't any of you see that pathetic look on Barrack Husseins face at Blair House as Ryan summarily undressed him in front of the world about his own health care plan?
It was the same schooling Barrack Hussein got from Jewish Prime Minister Netanyahou last year at the White House when he told him what a real ally is and the true history of the 1967 borders.
This will be another embarrassment for the limp-wristed Libbies, just like last weeks debate was. The only way to describe it will be,,,
PRICELESS!
ROMNEY/RYAN 2012 FOR REAL AMERICANS©
Liberals should start the spin now, the sun was in his eyes, he stepped in a mud puddle, he had a flat tire, he didn't win publishers clearing house, or his favorite spiderman underwear was still in the laundry. Biden will come off as an idiot, a buffoon, or both. Make it up Joe is no more prepared to step in as president then he is capable of defending Obama's failed policies. Biden is nothing more then a bullet proof vest, and he has the IQ to match. If the Obama campaign had been slowing after his deer in the headlights moment, Biden is more then capable of tossing out the anchor. Biden is a gaff a minute that liberals have always found adoring, lets see if they feel the same when he sinks the ship named Obama.
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Biden: "Constitution............I had one of those back in college........I loved that Chevy Constitution best car I ever owned
------- Someone could actually launch a successful career as a standup comic while just doing Joe Biden jokes. There would be no end to new material
I intend to provide for my own welfare, just as I do today. Perhaps you should consider that instead of expecting the government (my taxes) to be your sugar daddy. It appears that I'm already paying for your ignorance.
That's great! Don't forget that the elevation might be too high or low...
Let me sum it up for all of you:
Come on white guy (Biden) bail out the suppossed high IQ black affirmative action know nothing who got trounced in the last debate so bad by the evil really smart white guy that even his wife looked at him like he was too stupid to tie his shoes.
Sound about right? Thought so.
Keep on with the fear mongering dems!
you know you really aren't helping MR
Our president has been traveling the country on a mission to save big bird.
What about saving jobs, saving our economy, or saving America from terrorist who want to kill us and have recently proved once again that they intend to do so.
**RR 2012**
It will be very interesting to see if Ryan can tell us the truth about his proposals since
obviously Romney cannot. Romney might of won his first "debate" but, In doing so he
showed us a total lack of stable charactor and integrity. In other words,,,,He lied to us
That's the important thing. Romney did indeed lie.
There are two more debates to show Romney's lies to the world.
even my uncle a hard core Liberal Union guy, says that Joe Biden will make it worst. Remember Libs there will be no teleprompter Joe is toast.
Romney Ryan 2012, " and I voted for Obama back in 08 "
That's all you libs got is "he's a liar....he's a tax cheat...." Obama doesn't have a leg to stand on (or a plan for that matter) so it's personal attack one after the other.
No more for 44!
I keep hearing "Romney lied", but no one can say what he lied about.
Sad that a world leader can just stand there & say nothing when lied too?????
You mean to tell me he lied just like Obama did in 2008?
To Jorge, I seriously doubt your sincerity in voting for Obama in 08 and now Romney Ryan. The difference between them is measured in light years.
Ryan did not tell the truth during the convention, why should he start now. If you do not believe me, check the Fox News article.
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/08/30/paul-ryans-speech-in-three-words/
Peter how hard is it to believe that someone change his vote, I mean is not like we are Obamabots right?
it is very easy to see when someone is not doing a good Job.
I hope I don't get insulted.
Very Respectful, Jorge
Barry started with "Bush lied", then moved to "Bush did it", now he's had to change to "Romney lied".............
Just to be fair, here a few whoppers from the lair in chief, obama
"I think it's important for us to understand that the Fast and Furious program was a field-initiated program begun under the previous administration"
I've done more for Israel's security than any President ever
Romney and Ryan will gut pell grants for low-income college students.
My budget will cut the deficit by $4 Trillion over 10 years.
Fence between US and Mexico is "Practically Complete"
No "boots" on the ground Libya
The health care bill will not increase the deficit by one dime.
If you like the health care plan you have you can keep it
We have run out of places in the US to drill for oil.
We shouldn't Mandate the purchase of health care
Obama says he'll save average family $8,000 in gas
http://obamalies.net/obama-says-hell-save-average-family-8000-in-gas.html
Mr. Ayers as "a guy who lives in my neighborhood," but "not somebody who I exchange ideas from on a regular basis.
I had a uncle who was one of the, who was part of the first American troops to go into Auschwitz and liberate the concentration camps
Would have the most transparent administration in History
And my personal favorites:
"You Didn't Build that"
"I have been to all 57 states"
I doubt that you are being truthful with you above statement, but if you are here is a link to factcheck.org, an independent fact checking organization jdbird.
http://factcheck.org/2012/10/dubious-denver-debate-declarations/
And yes, they took issue with some of the things that President Obama said Tuesday night. Personally I don't agree with them on Mr. Romney's DENIAL that he has proposed a $5 Trillion dollar tax cut through the reasoning that he is proposing to offset the tax cuts with revenues from elimination of deductions, closing loopholes, etc. If he did not propose reducing (cutting) taxes then there would be no offsets needed to make it revenue neutral. Independent economists have looked at Mr. Romney's proposals (and lack of specifics regarding the required offsets) and concluded that his math does not add up unless taxes are increased on middle- and lower-income peoples. The major oppositional study (rather a critique of the study critical of Mr. Romney's tax cut plan) is from the Heritage Foundation; you remember them, they are the ones who originally came up with the individual mandate provision back during HillaryCare.
That's just one LIE that he told. There were 27 MYTHS in 38 minutes: http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2012/10/04/958801/at-last-nights-debate-romney-told-27-myths-in-38-minutes/
Now, please turn off FOX News and invest a little time into your own individual research on the issues, the candidates stances on the issues, and most of all what they have been campaigning on for the past 18 months.
I would simply ask him first if it feels good to talk about entitlements, and he himself using them as well, like his college education off SS--- NICE combat story.--I would assume such righteous people would quickly shut up, when millions are getting nothing for college, and millions in college have 100 K in debt-- I hope one day some people are going to wake up to reality and tell these government shut downers (SS + Medicare) to shut up, or at least stop charging me and my employer (me) 16 + % gross on my salary up to 110 K--that is then based now at 17,5 thousand a year every year for life for me!--so where is my money?!!--Was it used to go to the moon? and what else, please explain where my money is!
It is pathetic that the Obama team and followers resort to "he lied" when Romney cleaned Obama's clock at the first debate. Have you thought why he won? Because Obama does not have a record to support his campaign! Romney did not lie - Obama's campaign build a straw man and never one thought that they were wrong on Romney's positions and ideas. Even Obama thought he won the debate! Talk about the emperor having no clothes... So it is pathetic and getting old that Obama and his followers can yell Romney lied and that is the only retort to the ideas and positions of Romney?! Obvious Obama has no ideas, has shown he can't correct things and has resorted to yelling inane comments in hopes to winning the Presidency. Obama got whacked for misrepresenting his deficit plan and the study of Romney's plan by the Princeton Professor. Rather than cry, kick the dirt and yell "he lied" how about some debate with facts! If anything, Obama will have less to say.
Jorge: Why do you Republicans keep bringing up the "teleprompter" argument.....every president since Eisenhower has used a teleprompter! There's nothing wrong with using it.....even TV news anchors use a teleprompter. If that's the best argument you can come up with....you're in bad shape!
As for Romney lying in the last debate....check Factchecker -- almost everything he said was an outright lie. And, he just spoke at the Virginia Military.....and everything he said he was going to do when elected is the very same thing that President Obama is already doing. He needs to either do some research about foreign affairs or come up with some ideas of his own!!
Lemmings Walking off the Edge of the Cliff
From the article above:
With this one sentence, you can see clearly the sycophant Congressman Ryan is.
Ryan is as bad as they come.
Mirroring, twisting and projecting back out to the naïve shows the congressman’s utter distain for the truth and for the sheeple he is lying to – to make them vote for him.
Like lemmings walking off a cliff.
Everything the Congressman said in the above sentence applies to him and Governor Romney.
If I was a Republican, I would not vote this year.
I would be so disgusted by the Governor and Congressman’s lies, I honestly would vote for Gary Johnson.
Romney and Ryan are the illness.
President Obama and the Democrats are the cure.
If you want to keep America For the People, By the People, then vote straight Democrat.
Salud
BO, In case you missed it; they BOTH lied to us.
@TomasGrande
I agree 100%.
The new GOP tactic is to repackage all of the comments made about them, and use them in an accusatory manor against the Dem's. During the debate, when Romney said something about -you know you can't keep telling a lie over and over and expect people to believe it--EXACTLY what's HE and the GOP have been accused of! I could have punched the a-hole right then and there. It makes me sick that they will do anything to win. There is no honor in these people!
Voting Straight DEMOCRAT 2012, the educated choice!
JDBIRD,
He lied that he doesn't want a $5 trillion tax cut..20% across the board for everyone. He lied that he loves teachers and firefighters after saying we had too many. He lied saying Obama cut $716 billion from medicare when he actually took it from Hospitals and the Insurers, who agreed to give it up realizing they would get millions of new "customers" from Obama CARES.. He lied everytime he opened his mouth. And for you to state you are unaware of his lies is a lie or you are just ignorant. Probably both.
Even FOX NEWS thinks Ryan is an IDIOT. Just like ROmney
Deceiving
On the other hand, to anyone paying the slightest bit of attention to facts, Ryan’s speech was an apparent attempt to set the world record for the greatest number of blatant lies and misrepresentations slipped into a single political speech. On this measure, while it was Romney who ran the Olympics, Ryan earned the gold.
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/08/30/paul-ryans-speech-in-three-words/?fb_action_ids=10151189044597182&fb_action_types=og.likes&fb_source=timeline_og&action_object_map=%7B%2210151189044597182%22%3A430876850304107%7D&action_type_map=%7B%2210151189044597182%22%3A%22og.likes%22%7D&action_ref_map=[]#ixzz28q6XWvjM
Bo-1925019, Romney and Ryan have been telling the truth, that's why Obama had his clock cleaned by Romney in the debate, Obama had no come back for the truth and the facts. You have been guided by a left wing media outlets (MSNBC and NBC) and the Democrats to hear nothing but they lie, they are evil along with many other childish attempts to take you away from the real facts and the real truth, something the dems and the media don't want you to know.
Ok, Obama lost the first debate, but to say Romney did not lie, is just wrong. He lied about the 5 trillion tax cut to the wealthiest, it's even on tape, he said he would give that 5 trillion tax cut to the wealthiest, he also lied that the stimulus did not create jobs, it created 31 million private sector jobs and counting(notice how Unemployment went down to 7.8% and don't bother telling me books were doctored, your whining now). What about the tape regarding the 47%, now he is 100%. The guy is a flip flopper face, he won't tell us what tax loop holes he will get rid of(mostly like one of them is the mortgage, but won't say it because that will affect millions of home owners). The guys a joke, do you really want the same crap we had with Bush, because that's whats going to happen.
This is to all the indenpendants, yesterday Romney on his forgein policy he said he will send troops to Syria to help them out, here we go another unpaid war, more of our men killed or badly injured, and what about Iran, another war their as well, all in the name of DICK CHENEY, think about it people!!
dal......great post, but watch the right will spin it even when fox is calling Ryan a liar!
Paul Ryan, aka Gilligan according to his own party, couldn't find his way off the island in the TV show. The man is so like the character Gilligan. What an idiot. He has no conscience or ethics either. Math shows how his priorities are skewed to put money in his own pocket as well as the pocket of his brother that worked at Bain Capital.
I don't want a stinking voucher. I want respect and have an expectation that I will be treated with dignity when I reach Medicare eligible age.
Laura,
That is a lie because the tax cut was 20% across the board not just for the wealthy, plus the economist whom the President is basing that on says he does not know how the President arrived at that number.
http://www.ijreview.com/2012/10/18492-princeton-economist-says-obama-misrepresenting-study-on-romney-tax-plan/
Please find a source for 31 million jobs because that is another lie on your part
On the 7.8% please note that the U-6 did not budge from it's 14.8%
He never said he would send troops, he said he would send weapons which is the same policy we followed in Libya.
Here are two more lies
Romney stated in Ads that Obama is getting rid of the work requirement for welfare receivers, but that was not true. Is that not a lie or do you know care about it because who said it?
Romney stated that his plan was not a tax against the middle class, and he had a independent bi-partisan committee that says so, only to find out that the chairman of this committee use to work at bain capital. Anyone can is the issues with Romney stating that the committee is independent and bi-partisan. Is that not a lie, or again you don't care because of who said it.
Bo - then he really didn't win did he!
Erskine Bowles, co-chair of President Barack Obama's budget-deficit commission had this to say of Paul Ryan.
That's a democrat saying good things about a republican on UNC Chapill Hill campus, a very liberal school.
Where are the details on the Obama/Biden plan? Oh yeah we'll get to read that once its voted on... Come on folks - glass houses...
Just tell us when the jobs are coming. thats all obama has to do and he cant do that let alone tell us how. R&R 2012 Im tired of waiting for a job are you!!!!
What burns my ass is when you show someone with facts proven in black and white that someone is lying and that will cost you your health ins. and maybe lose your life savings etc . They still say yeah ok but were still voting for them (R&R) !! How can anyone be so stupid !? This is the last time I ever vote ! It's just not worth the aggravation ..My house is paid for a still have a few bucksin the bank and have no bills..if I get too sick and don't have any money left or my medicare has been pulled by the 2 losers ..I have my plan ..shoot one bad guy of my choice and I get free medical and free housing for life ..Seems like thats how us seniors will be voting in the next few elections ! With a bang!!
Johnm, obama lied to get into office, how about that?! And no worries, The Dems will do your voting for you whether your dead or a felon!!
Look libs, it's over for your beloved community organizer, get over it. He's done nothing positive for the middle class much less the American people. He had no plan and has no plan. Why would anyone vote for a known failure....twice?! *smh*
R/R2012 to restore the America we know & loved!
That's what you Neo-Cons just don't get...Ryan has a plan and that's what the American People will reject is a radical plan that ends Medicare. You see, some of us don't believe in your "trickle-down" economics on steroids.
David..pay attention! Obama had PAGES of notes and kept looking at them hoping they would give him something to say. Not to be. He tried hard to find something, did you not see him turning pages?
1. Funny, it's the Republicons that just got caught with their fingers in the election cookie jar.
3. "Happy Days" never actually happened...good luck bringing it back.
Where do you people get the idea that Ryan is ending Medicare? If you are under 55 you will have a choice voucher or Medicare, if you are over 55 Medicare will remain the same when the 716 BILLION $$ Obama robbed from Medicare is restored. Pay attention and don't just hear what you want from MSNBC and the Chicago mafia.
Okay Ol_Doc, I see a 1. and a 3. on your post but no #2. Did the obama administration change the numbering system on us now? No suprise they kept the "odd" ones!!
R/R2012
PhantomBeast you and DIDI are DILUSIONAL!!
Coco,
Many independent analysts have looked at the Ryan voucher plan and have explained in excruciating detail why it will have a negative effect on Medicare and raise overall costs on seniors.
While you're exhorting other people to not listen to "just what they want to hear", it's been mentioned several times by several fact checkers that the 716 billions dollars from medicare is not a cut but a savings over 10 years. Also, that money is specifically slated for prescriptions for seniors. So, it ends up in a net gain for seniors.
Perhaps you should take your own advice and actually research what you're talking about.
If you're counting on politicians to get you a job, good luck with that. The fact of the matter is, politicians on both sides have no idea how to create jobs. Tax cuts have not worked (we're still under the Bush tax cuts) and government stimulus has not worked. So they distract us with social issues that have no economic impact whatsoever to hide the fact that they have no idea how to fix the economy. We're now in a global job market. The jobs that have gone overseas are not coming back. Those in China & India can do the job just as well as we can for far less money than any of us would want to be paid. When we've been in this situation in the past what has saved us has been the development of a new industry. And that doesn't come from politicians.
You RWNJ's on this thread have no credibility. You are all supporting a well known liar. Birds of a feather flock together.
Here is a detailed analysis of R&R's tax plan. There is no way it will work without raising taxes on everyone making less than $200,000 a year.
It's been about two months since researchers at the Brookings Institution and the nonpartisan Tax Policy Center published their devastating report on Mitt Romney's tax plan. After going out of their way to give Romney every possible benefit of the doubt, the scholars found the Republican's plan would either explode the deficit or lead to a middle-class tax hike.
Brookings and the TPC backed up their analysis, but even common sense suggests they're right -- Romney/Ryan intends to slash taxes, increase defense and entitlement spending, and balance the budget, all at the same time. There's simply no way this can be done without asking more from the middle class.
Romney, predictably, has condemned the Brookings and the TPC report, questioning the scholars' integrity and accusing the researchers of using shoddy math. Brookings' William G. Gale today sticks up for "the basic power of arithmetic" against Republican criticism, explaining that Romney's proposal really would "necessarily have to raise taxes on taxpayers below $200,000."
Gale presents a terrific metaphor: suppose Romney claims he can drive a car from Boston to Los Angeles in 15 hours. Brookings and the TPC would say that would require Romney to exceed the speed limit, Obama would use this in campaign ads, and Republicans would decry the analysis as "partisan," but, "You still can't drive cross country in 15 hours without speeding."
Josh Marshall added, "If you care about these things you should take a moment and read Gale's short piece. If you're a reporter who doesn't like being lied to you should definitely read it."
Really? Are you @!$%#ing kidding me??? Romney is the best liar I have ever seen, because apparently 40%+ of the American people are buying into his bull@!$%#. For one thing, Romney never stated in the debates that his healthcare plan only covers preconditions for people already insured; his campaign even corrected that. Secondly, in the primary debates, Romney promised a 20% cut on all tax rates, INCLUDING the top 1%. And even if he tries to broaden the base in the most progressive manner that is physically possible, he will still cut taxes for the rich by a large amount and raise taxes on everyone else by a large amount.
You people of this generation are apparently the stupidest I have ever seen. You and your Baby Boomer parents bought into the GOP bull@!$%# that you can cut taxes, balance the budget, and create jobs time after time EVEN WHEN IT WAS DISPROVED, and now nearly half of you are buying into it once again. You vote for an idiot who promises to lower your taxes and create jobs when in actuality he is cutting taxes for the wealthy, and any tax cuts that you do get are going to be offset by the elimination of basic programs that YOUR generation took for granted. Now my generation is going to have to pay for your mistakes plus interest all because our parents couldn't think straight and realize how silly cutting taxes is when you are in a debt crisis. Cutting taxes in the hopes of raising revenue is like lowering prison sentences or softening up the legal system and expecting crime rates to plummet; it's pure insanity. My final message to this generation: either start thinking about the effects of your political decisions or stand aside: just stop destroying this country bit by bit.
OBAMA BIDEN 2012
jorge -- Seriously ... who except you cares what your uncle thinks? I can make up my own mind without consulting with someone's uncle who I never met and who may or may not be the world's biggest union supporter. Geeez
Obama gives Republicans a big target.............
Romney lied about his tax cuts for the wealthy. They WILL add $5 trillion to the deficit, and it is IMPOSSIBLE to pay off a 2 recent very costly (republican) wars and a federal deficit/national debt this size with no tax increases. Romney lied about Obama's cuts to Medicare providers. They will not impact seniors.
Obama did NOT lie in 2008. He made promises like all politicians that were impossible to keep. Romney is doing it now. Romney/Ryan CANNOT reduce the national debt with their promised massive tax cuts for those who can pay the most, massive military spending increases, no controls to Medicare (the social program that is currently adding the most to the national debit) for more than 10 years, nothing to control the high number of uninsured Americans for healthcare coverage that keeps adding to the national debt because their unpaid costs are being passed on to paying consumers including those on Medicare and Medicaid, etc. etc. Under Romney/Ryan the national debit and federal deficits are sure to increase.
Of course RYAN WOULD END MEDICARE through totally privatizing it as he proposed in his first budget bill that he was the sole sponsor of. Check it out in the Library of Congress's web site. Ryan would have no traditional Medicare option. Seniors would have to purchase private health insurance that would probably start at a premium of over $1500 a month in 2023 and greatly increase every year with healthcare inflation and for every year of a senior's life. (Ryan had proposed an average $600 monthly voucher to start that would increase at a much lower rate than the cost of healthcare inflation.)
Bottom line is private health insurance DOES NOT want to cover seniors with the liability of all the age-related diseases and conditions, and will price them out of the market again like they did before traditional Medicare was implemented, thus ending Medicare and the ability to pay for healthcare for future seniors--a huge blow the the future economy, the healthcare industry, the cost of healthcare with all the future unpaid bills of seniors, many broke seniors who cannot even pay their property taxes on their homes, leaving a huge tax burden to younger people.
Mitt Romney's policies will end Planned Parenthood. Women will be unable to get abortions. Romney and Ryan will destroy Social Security. The Republicans will find a way to make Syria another Iraq/Afghanistan. Obama is bringing all of our troops home from that region. Let him end the Republican craziness before more of our troops' lives are lost for nothing.
Mitt the flip-flopping twitt is:
1. The Anti-Christ (The Mormon book, The Pearl of Great Price, claims that all other Christian groups are "corrupt" and are an "abomination" in God's sight (Joseph Smith, 2:19). If given another chance, the Republicans led by this Anti-Christ will begin yet another war as they did in Iraq and Afghanistan which has resulted in the loss of thousands of young American lives.)
2. Mitt the Twitt is a draft dodger so he cannot be Commander-in-Chief. He ran away to
France to avoid the draft.
3. Mitt the Twitt is really Mexican and should not be running for President of the United States. His father and grand-father were born in Mexico. They fled there in order to upkeep their polygamous lifestyle. His great-grandfather still has arrest warrants out for him. Judith Freeman. Her great-grandfather, William Flake, and Miles Romney were arrested for polygamy in Arizona. Flake paid the $1000 to bail Romney out of jail. Romney skipped bail and as a
result Flake spent six months in prison for it. These people have no morals.
4. Ryan’s black girlfriend, Deneeta Pope, also lied and defrauded her bosses at Ernst & Young out of $77,000 for fake training. Pope was convicted in 2001 and spent five months in federal prison. She donated money to help him with his campaign to become Congressman in 1997. Ryan has a black sister-in-law but his motives are shady. Romney and Ryan are a questionable pair.
Hey biden....explain why BOZOhussen went all over telling everyone that a youtube video killed the USA embassy people in the Middle-East??...Even Over-the-Hill'ry says it was Muslim-Terrorists!!
Even the Prez. of Libya says it was not the video!! .. Jimmy Carter did nOT have the embassy people murdered!! but then they had Marines...The cables from the embassy asking for security are being hidden with the rest of obama's records!!
What a liar and incompetent leader we have..OMG===ObamaMustGOooo!!
He even stood before the UN and belittled our Constitution and 1 st Amendment rights!!
What will really be interesting is to see is if the Moderator, Martha Raddatz, can actually be unbiased as Obama attended her own wedding and Obama nominated her ex - Genachowski for chairman of the FCC in 2009. It would be great if Ryan would bring that up with her right at the beginning of the debate. When will the liberal media wake up and realize Obama is trying to destroy the country he hates? What happened to a media that searched for the truth? Makes you wonder if we are just too far gone at this point. The State department had a private meeting/media call last night with the liberal media so they would know how to spin the damage of the news out today on Libya....of course Fox News was deliberatly excluded. Does that sound like America? Uh...no. WAKE UP BEFORE IT'S TOO LATE!!!!
Which of course is why willard hasn't said one word about the "ryan budget" in some time. Even when the president enacts policy that romney/ryan initially advocated, they HAVE to come out against the president.
At best.. pathetic..
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""But even though Ryan wants to repeal the ACA, his budget blueprint incorporates various cuts into Medicare that were enacted in the overhaul, saving more than $500 billion over ten years. They’re the same kind of cuts that the Republican ticket has criticized Obama for enacting.""
So what is new.
Republicans screamed that closing Gitmo would be the end of the world .. now they point it it not closeing as a bad thing Obama did. Go figure ...
Republicans screamed that Obama got us into another war in Libya .. now they want to start one in Syria .... Go figure .....
Republicans care not for America or 98% of it's people .. all they care about is power for themselves.
K1200RS..
The difference between the two is quite simple, you just do not want to see it.
Obama cut the 400 billion from Medicare to FUND Obama care. So there is no savings. Which is why its railed against.
Eric,
If half the country is republican, how can they not care for 98% of the American people?
I guess arithmetic is not a strong DEMOCRAT point.
"railed against" ???
By who?? Certainly not by seniors who've seen the closure of the prescription drug benefit "doughnut hole"
Try again...
Republicans care until the votes are counted, then if you make less than $200K you don't matter.
In the ad, that shows the Monster Paul "I hate Grandma" Ryan pushing Grandma over the cliff, its not just Ryan thats pushing Grandma over the cliff,
Its everyone who was so blind to vote for Corporate Raider Willard "Tax Cheat" Liar Romney and Monster Paul Ryan!!!!
And thats my opinion!
You are QUITE the Drama Queen ... "was so blind to ..... yada,yada, yada" ad nauseam.
I didn't know the elction was over. The ad you refer to simply shows Democratic distortion of reality and it is mostly fools who believe it has validity. Would that include you ?
The Ryan plan cuts the same $781 billion from Medicare, but from what I can see does not "put it back". At least in Obama's plan we know where it is coming from and how it gets added back. It comes from curbing waste, fraud and abuse from the system. The is two cases being prosecuted right now of note. One in Florida of fraud of more than $1 billion and one in California of over $800 million, not counting many more. I know, I know..that isn't $781 billion but those are just two examples. And lets not forget this is over 10 years. As for the ACA, alot of what you are saying the money is for funding the ACA is going back to seniors. There is NO explanation of where the cuts are coming from in Ryan's plan or where the money is going to.
K1200RS===Sorry you have that wrong. Obama and the Democrats have already started cutting Medicare and will continue to do so for a total cut of over $700 Billion Dollars on the services side. People have forgotten about the other funding for Obama-Care that comes out of the same pot. Obama-Care funding will also come from some $500 Billion Dollars in added new expense, fees and cost that the seniors will have to pay for out of pocket. They needed a $1 Trillion Dollars and it all comes from Medicare-Social Security.
Smokie -
A false statement like that proves you must be a paid, Rovian blogger.
I think the word you purposely left out of your lie, was "Advantage", as in Medicare Advantage.
The President DID NOT TAKE MONEY OUT OF MEDICARE.
President Obama moved the Greedy Insurance money out of Medicare ADVANTAGE (a President Bush Administration give-a-way to the Rich) back INTO MEDICARE.
President Obama strengthened Medicare.
Look it up!
How people like you, Governor Romney and Congressman Ryan can lie profusely with no conscious or consequences for your actions is beyond me.
You should be ashamed of yourself.
You have lied to and manipulated your fellow Americans.
Salud
Smokie, what are you smoking Really now!! Do some fat checking, 700 billion is coming from the waste and fraud(which I thought you righties hate) is coming from the insurance companies and providers, check it out before shooting your mouth with smoke! Hey you really should quit smoking, bad for your health and it costs us tax payers mega bucks!
Waste and fraud are not monies you can count so your just guessing at that point. and if im wrong please tell us what each year will bring over the next ten years. and we want facts R&R 2012
You libs cant even tell us how much we will save next year let alone 10 years. LMFAO
You honest to God believe the Neo-Conservatives care about rank-and-file Republicans? Well if you didn't learn from eight years of GW Bush, you probably never will.
By the way, 50% of the Country is not Republican.
It is no longer the Ryan plan. It is now the Romney plan and that plan is different than Ryan's. pay attention.
Look, when our next vice president lays out his plan I don’t want to hear the libs complain that we’re trying to off the seniors. I mean it is what it is. Medicare if running out of money and if the up and coming seniors need to take one for the team and die off by not having top quality coverage than so be it. It has to happen if I ever want to see any coverage for what I’ve paid into the system. Grandma and Grandpa it’s been great. I’ll always have the memories but you may have to put in the overtime as the greeter at Walmart to cover that hip replacement. I mean if you think about it, that could have been avoided if you’d just drank more milk. They say it’s good for your brittle bones. HELLO! All kidding aside…seniors take one for the team so that Medicare does not become insolvent. Go Mitt. Romney/Ryan 2012!
@John from North Arlington#3.16: Gwaddamn! As crazy as a wildfire in Hell, but obviously an honest republican! Really no point in parcing words!
What difference does it make what Paul Ryan's policies are? He has already said it himself. As vice president, if elected, it will up to him to see that Romney's policies are enacted in congress, not his own. I'm not really sure if anyone really knows what Romney's policies will be. They seem to change on a weekly basis.
Talking heads, what does it matter anyhow, who ever is pulling the strings matter, all they do is respond.
running out of money? How can that be when it is collected daily? Even etch-a-sctch Romney is tunning from the vulture (not a misspeak) system.
Ryan will mop the floor with Biden on Thursday. No doubt about it.
Only if Biden or the moderator don't call him out on the fact that every word out of his mouth is a lie.
WAH WAH WAH, LIE LIE LIE, BLAH BLAH BLAH...stupid libtards are priceless today lol!
Cameron - what do you think was a lie or are you just like David Axlerod and cannot admit your guy got beat?
CAN YOU SPELL THEOCRACY!?!?! moron..thats what Ryan is..so spare us the socialist garbage.
Ryan wont have a power point in front of him though, and hopefully they catch him trying to put notes in front of him like mitt did when he walked up at the debate (check youtube for video showing it...quite clearly i might add). Ol Biden may make some mistakes here and there, but at least A. you know its the real joe, not some puppet. B He knows what hes talking about, especially as it pertains to foreign policy..."i can see Canada from my backyard in WI" doesnt qualify lol
Joe Biden tells it like it is. Lyin' Ryan lies to your face to tell his base what they want to hear.
I can't wait to read the factcheckers after the debate. Not that matters to the people already in the tank for Romney/Ryan... they've already admitted they won't be dictated by the facts!
Do you think Ryan will have time to explain or will he just promise to tell us after the election.
Cameron Ford===Your killing me. I fell out of my chair laughing at that comment. I guess you believe that Obama wasn't looking for notes at the debate? There is no telling what will come form a Romney/Ryan ticket but it will be better than what we have now. Ryan is smart and that is why Romney picked him as running mate and there is no telling what kind of ideas that will come or go from any budget for now.
With Obama and the Democrats in place we haven't had a budget in place for close to 4 years now. You will have to ask Obama and Harry Reid why we don't have a budget in place right now!! So don't go talking about budgets because we have none!!
Even FOX NEWS thinks Ryan is an IDIOT. Just like ROmney
Deceiving
On the other hand, to anyone paying the slightest bit of attention to facts, Ryan’s speech was an apparent attempt to set the world record for the greatest number of blatant lies and misrepresentations slipped into a single political speech. On this measure, while it was Romney who ran the Olympics, Ryan earned the gold.
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/08/30/paul-ryans-speech-in-three-words/?fb_action_ids=10151189044597182&fb_action_types=og.likes&fb_source=timeline_og&action_object_map=%7B%2210151189044597182%22%3A430876850304107%7D&action_type_map=%7B%2210151189044597182%22%3A%22og.likes%22%7D&action_ref_map=[]#ixzz28q6XWvjM
Cameron Ford > You are just a tool for the dems, spewing the only thing they have to run on.... it's a lie, they are evil, he lies, 5,000 feet, etc. They have nothing intellectual to say and no come back for Obama getting his clock cleaned by Romney in the debate but childish grade school sayings, like he's lying ? Come on grow up, the truth hurts don't it... This was the worst Presidency we have seen since Jimmy Carter and Like Mr.Obama said himself almost four years ago, "If I don't turn this economy around in three years, I'll be a one term President". Now it's time to make that come true. Mitt has my vote.
Camron: he sure does. "Chains, they are gonna put you back in chains"
"we are living in the 20th century,"
"we are going to tax the rich to come up with 1t dollars. " that should be a magickal act, that will shock the world.
"the middle class will be paying no taxes. Yeah! go to work, get on obama scare and see that extra income added to your w2 form. you will say where did that come from.
"there are no death panal as the rep. claim with obama scare. wrong.. paul krugman: believes in the death panals as he calls them this by the way comes from the dem economist. "This patients treatment doesn't do any good. we will not pay for the procedure.we can save a lot of money. as not to pay for something that isn't going to work."
This tells me that the patient is sent home and will die in bed.
yep gaffs and lies by biden.
Smokie is smoked up on drugs or is drunk one or the other. Apparently he doesn't know its the Congress job to pass a budget and they write a cockeyed budget that they know can't go any where and they say its our way or no way. Obama presents a compromised budget giving into Republicans its NO we need to make Obama a one term president even if it ruins the country . I must say there are a few decent Republican but they have ben taken over by the Extreme teabaggers and they have ruined the Republican pARTY . you say his budget didn't have the Democrats vote I agree and you know why is that Obama was trying to pasify the Republicans by giving the Republicans too much. Of course the congress has become the number one congress in complete failure
Lyin Ryan had no pie
So he stoled it from another guyt
Lyin Ryan told Mitt
Care for elderly has got to quit
Lyin Ryan got to say
we got to start a war to hide are lies
Lyin Ryan we hope you fall over your own lyin words
Biden will have all the facts to tell the people of the truth
The moral of this story is that two lies don;t make it right!b
Keep lyin Ryan and his Buddy out of office!
Yea...who cares about the truth...right NEO-CON? ...Right? ...Right?
No but I like to know how much you guys you must make enough to believe this crap!
Clayton-548726
Justice is an ugly beast with a hangover. The Tea Party will smell the revenge up close and personal as the Neo-Conservatives regain control of the Republican Party. They can get in line like good little Republicans or Karl Rove and Charles Koch will crush them...simple as that.
What are you talking about? R and R are proven liars. Steve Benen documented them. 533 lies in 30 weeks by romney. That is more than 2 a day! Reasonable people can not believe a single word this sociopath says.
Even faux noise called Ayn Ryan a liar after his convention speech. Then today he pulled the mike and walked away when someone dared to ask real questions. Will Ayn Ryan walk off the stage Thursday?
I’ve written about or linked to a great deal here “chronicling Mitt’s mendacity” — to borrow Steven Benen’s phrase.
Mitt Romney says many, many things that are not true. He says this despite being in possession of the correct facts of the matter.
Which is to say that Mitt Romney lies. A lot. He lies more than any other national candidate for office in my lifetime. And I was born before the Nixon administration.
This is documented. Proven. Validated, verified, demonstrated, catalogued and quantified. Mitt Romney lies.
Here are 30 — 30! — of Benen’s weekly “chronicling” posts. These are all backed up and sourced. These are not assertions, interpretations or allegations. These are facts, actual instances.
Over the past 30 weeks, Mitt Romney has told lie after lie after lie: I, II, III, IV, V, VI, VII, VIII, IX, X, XI, XII, XIII, XIV, XV, XVI, XVII, XVIII, XIX, XX, XXI, XXII, XXIII, XXIV, XXV, XXVI, XXVII, XXVIII, XXIX, XXX.
Click those links. Read the lists. List after list of lie after lie. Hundreds of them — 533, to be exact, although Benen does not make any claim to providing a comprehensive chronicle.
This is unprecedented. “We’re not going to let our campaign be dictated by fact-checkers,” Romney’s pollster, Neil Newhouse, said.
This has produced what James Fallows calls the “post-truth” age — a relentlessly dishonest onslaught of brazen falsehoods with which the media and the political system are struggling to cope. What do you do when every article, every “fact-check,” every arbiter denounces a lie and corrects it, but then a politician just keeps repeating it?
It’s remarkable to behold.
One of the weirder aspects of this for me is watching this unfold in the politically conservative culture of my evangelical world. The most partisan evangelical conservatives are also those most likely to rant against “relativism” and to trumpet their status as defenders of “absolute truth.” Those same folks will dismiss this post — and all 30 of Benen’s posts above — as mere partisan attacks without ever bothering to examine the 533 factual instances of Mitt’s mendacity, chronicled.
That’s the only cognitive defense they have, I guess. Jam fingers in ears and shout la-la-la-you’re-being-partisan!
Because, you see, the fact that Mitt Romney said something he knew to be false is a partisan fact. And the fact that he has done this at least 533 times in the past 30 weeks is also partisan.
I suppose the other approach for Romney defenders who cannot bear to face the fact of those 533 facts will be to angrily pore over all of Benen’s lists, reading each one with a lawyerly eye.
Have at it. Please. Cherry-pick. Spin. Split hairs. Hand-wave away whichever lies you wish as mere misdemeanors and not full-fledged felonies against honesty.
But how many of those charges do you think you can get dismissed? 10 percent? 20 percent? Maybe, if you’re that sort of person and you work really hard at it — if you’re willing to get even more pedantic and semantic and technical than even you are usually comfortable with — maybe you could half convince yourself that 50 percent of those lies somehow shouldn’t really count against Romney.
That still leaves more than 260 lies. That still leaves Mitt Romney as a convicted liar, 260 times over. And at that point you’ll have to join your friends with their fingers in their ears.
But you’ll still know.
Because everyone knows. Mitt Romney lies. A lot. That is what he does. That is who he is. And friend or foe, he does not care if you know it.
MakesSense-3389651, david saint, you're each suspended for a day for violating #1 of the Code of Honor.
Why worry about those two? Both of them lie. They are both Professional Politicians. Maybe it's in the job description. All I know is that I don't trust either one. That's why I'm running for the Oval Office myself. I have a plan for America too. And mine will work.
If you'd like to look it over, you can see it on my website at www klanethepeoplespresident com or you can look it over on the 2012 Presidential Candidates website. I'm on there with Obama, Romney, and a few others.
Those two ARE NOT the only candidates in the race. They are just the candidates that were nominated by their respective parties. I am an Independent Candidate (the 2012 Presidential Candidate website STILL hasn't corrected that. They list me as a Republican). Still, there are Independents like me, and other parties that are running as well. Maybe it's time to look beyond party lines and choose a candidate based on the plan they have and which one is best for America.
My son is in the Navy and when he received his ballot, he asked why his ballot only let him choose between Romney and Obama when there are many other candidates. He was asked, "You don't want to choose between these two?" He replied, "Not if I can help it."
He was told he can write in the candidate's name that he chooses anywhere on the ballot and if the name he wrote down is an actual candidate, it will count. So that is what he is doing. He is based in Norfolk, VA.
We DON'T have to choose between just these two.
The next two debates will count the most, tomorrow Ryan will be exposed for all Americans to see, he is an empty suit, without a moral plan, break the social contract with the American worker in favor of corporate welfare for the rich and powerful. Romeny will not be able to lie his ass off in the next debate, a townhall setting in a forum that favors Obama.
After this election, Ryan's political ambitions will be toast and Romney will be remembered for being exactlythe right candidate, at the right time for the Democrats to regain control of congress and retain control of the presidency.
Republicans, the party of the 1%
Who told you that? Democrats? Why would that setting possibly favor the President? Is it because he won't have to respond to Romney's allegations regarding his record? Or maybe it's because he won't have notes on a pedastal to stare at?
Do you honestly think that a seasoned CEO of a large corporation is not used to answering questions that are thrown at him during stockholder meetings, planning meetings, financial meetings, etc.? Does the fact that he went through Harvard Law School, just like the President did, suggest to you that they may have learned the same sort of things about speaking to juries (which would be very similar to this forum)?
I honestly cannot imagine one possible reason why President Obama would be favored due to the format of the next debate. And, if format, rather than substance, is the grand hope of the Democrat party, that is truly sad.
Tyler, I am lost. I see a lot of this name calling and I try not to fall to that level, but how do you make the decision on who to suspend? So many more comments I see are worse than this and get away from it. I once made the mistake of calling someone a moron, which he was, but got suspended too. I was sorry about that but sometimes being super nice just doesn't cut it. What is the REAL criteria?
Ryan is nothing more than this election's version of Sarah Palin. Conservatives don't particularly like or trust Romney so he nominated one of their own. If he (Ryan) has replaced William F. Buckley as the philosophical head of the republican party they are lost. I don't know how the debate will go and I don't think Biden is necessarily reliable about it but if Ryan mops up the floor with Biden it will be the first time I have seen Ryan mop up anything.
Only one big exception: Palin is an opportunist but also a bit of an imbecile and can't make any real commitment to anything, always looking for the better offer.
Ryan is flat out deranged and dangerous, a fascist in crony capitalist clothing. Tony Soprano would envy his "voucher" plan. Hitler would envy his tactics to implement his belief system.
It's possible Biden might not have a great performance, but he had a great performance in 08, and that was when he was watching his Ps & Qs so that nobody would call him chauvinistic the day after the Biden/Palin debate. I know I was worried he might say something off kilter in that respect when he went up against her, but there was none of that. Biden has been a reliable debater and knowing that he has to make up for Obama's lack of enthusiasm from last week I'm sure he'll do a helluva a job. That's what I'm hoping/expecting to see when these to go head to head.
And guess what....Sarah Palin would have been a far better President than Mr.Obama, I'm sure (Who could have been worse ?). None are better off but GM Union Members, while all rest have lost their jobs while Mr.Obama spent 2 years on Obama care. Then Mr.Obama spent the next two years campaigning, vacationing and golfing, while more lost their jobs and the economy stagnated. He hasn't done anything the last 2 years for fear it wouldn't work and he'd lose this election. Well, he will lose this election...I just saw an electoral college model predicting the winner of this election from the University of Denver done by Political Science Professors, it has been around since 1980 and has Never Been Wrong and has predicted accurately every election since 1980. It has Romney winning this election by a near landslide, because this election is all about the economy and jobs, not government funded give-a-ways, government wasted tax dollars on green energy while millions are out of work and surely not about government funded (actually China funded) Union political payback construction jobs, while more lose their jobs. Gas has gone through the roof with Obama as President and again, it's due to his energy policies. Time for a real leader and a real President, Mitt has my vote.
By the way, You'll never hear about that Electoral College Model on MSNBC or NBC, they would never want you to know about it or see it. If and when they have to report it because viewers question their reporting of real news, they'll just try to blow it off as not factual or a lie or something. The electoral college model has not been wrong since 1980 and has accurately predicted the presidential elections accurately since it came out in 1980, it has Romney winning this election in a near landslide. Truth be told, this election is about the economy and jobs, not partisan politics, lame health care plans, union paybacks at the taxpayers expense and wasted tax dollars on green energy. Mitt has my vote.
Ron - These Obama groupies are part of the 47%. They're living in an Obama bubble.
Nope. We are living in the real world where serial liar like you and Romney do not prosper. romney lied 533 times in 30 weeks. Did he lie more than you, or less than you?
miklkit - Name one lie Romney told.
Obama lies (your president) on the other hand, "it wasn't a terrorist attack at the embassy", "If I can't fix the economy it will be a one term proposition", "I won't raise taxes on the middle class"," I will have a transparent administration", "Al Quaida and the Taliban are being weakened", "it's Bush's fault".......
6 deleted, American Pie calling for Ryan to commit suicide. It's not really deathwishing, but just as bad. Banned, reported to authorities. Please don't call for the death of anyone this side of death row, especially elected officials - regardless of the method of death.
Cut it out, Can You Spell Socialism? and miklkit. First rule:
They should broadcast this debate in 3D so the whole country can see Ryan's nose grow in real time.
Ryan will cover a variety of budget concepts which will leave old Joe "DUMBfounded" ... because there have been no budgets passed under Obama/Biden.
The party of NO to any thing that Obama wants to get out of the mess that Bush left is the reason there has been no budget passed . Thats why the congress has the lowest favorable congress ever . The budget is definately their fault not Obama's . The hate Obama teabaggers has ruined the Republican Party.
Even if that were true for the last two years, it certainly doesn't explain the lack of action during the first two years when the Democrats controlled both the House and the Senate.
And, if the Tea Party is all about "hating Obama", then why are they going after Republican seats? Why are they targeting people who have a reputation as "big spenders"? Seems to me they are doing exactly what they say they are all about.... reduced spending and fiscal responsibility in government.
Bubblegum
It's all slipping away......
I love the fact that Ryan lies about Obama raiding Medicare and then goes on to explain that his plan will voucherize Medicare, costing seniors more than $11,000 in out of pocket expenses.
and eliminate medicaid, which most on medicare get as well. AND there will be no regulations to keep the insurance companies from screwing over seniors as has been the norm
Ryan has all the morals and scruples of Tony Soprano.
Ryan's voucher plan is really great it has the seniors payng out of their pocket and Obama's plan is terrible for it cuts into the profits of the rich medical providers, thats so bad.
Obamas 2700 page bill hurts seniors and gives more entitlements especially to Illegals!!!! His program allows insurance drug coverage to dictate the meds you can have and they can deny certain drugs. Ryan's vouchers will not cover the cost of insurance,but in both cases entitlement gets the best.
“This bill does not reduce deficits. Instead, this bill adds a new health care entitlement at a time when we have no idea how to pay for the entitlements we already have.” Yeah, like the one I voted for, Medicare Prescription Drug Act; or the two unfunded wars... Come to think of it, I don't think that I did vote for those!
But your elected officials from both parties did.
The Congress was lied to just like you and I were lied to. Bush/cheney lied 935 verified times.
Hmm. Romney lied 533 times in 30 weeks. Does that mean he lied more than bush/cheney? No. Bush/cheney also outed a CIA agent!
Bush/cheney is a worse criminal than Romneyhood.
Take the Shot.
I hear Biden prepared for this by practice-debating with Jon Lovitz. "I ran a marathon in... under two hours! Yeah, that's the ticket!"
Yes, Biden will prove to be a liar just like you said.
"A big target" but Biden can't shoot straight!
That is a large assumption.
Biden will be as subtle as cutting loose a loud fart in a crowded elevator ... only to turn around and point the finger at someone else for blame!
The math just doesn't add up, the CBO, WSJ and Tax Policy Center say so.
Maybe if he invoked the kind of wild-ass assumptions "faked" to make Obamacare APPEAR revenue neutral ... then it would add up for you liberals.
The Brookings Institute and the Tax Policy Center both say that Rack and Ruin's plan does not add up jim. Reality......What a concept! Maybe you should try it sometime.
It's been about two months since researchers at the Brookings Institution and the nonpartisan Tax Policy Center published their devastating report on Mitt Romney's tax plan. After going out of their way to give Romney every possible benefit of the doubt, the scholars found the Republican's plan would either explode the deficit or lead to a middle-class tax hike.
Brookings and the TPC backed up their analysis, but even common sense suggests they're right -- Romney/Ryan intends to slash taxes, increase defense and entitlement spending, and balance the budget, all at the same time. There's simply no way this can be done without asking more from the middle class.
Romney, predictably, has condemned the Brookings and the TPC report, questioning the scholars' integrity and accusing the researchers of using shoddy math. Brookings' William G. Gale today sticks up for "the basic power of arithmetic" against Republican criticism, explaining that Romney's proposal really would "necessarily have to raise taxes on taxpayers below $200,000."
Gale presents a terrific metaphor: suppose Romney claims he can drive a car from Boston to Los Angeles in 15 hours. Brookings and the TPC would say that would require Romney to exceed the speed limit, Obama would use this in campaign ads, and Republicans would decry the analysis as "partisan," but, "You still can't drive cross country in 15 hours without speeding."
Josh Marshall added, "If you care about these things you should take a moment and read Gale's short piece. If you're a reporter who doesn't like being lied to you should definitely read it."
The math doesn't add up on Romney's plan because he doesn't "find" enough money to pay for all we have to pay for. My plan does! Check it out at www klanethepeoplespresident com
Also, hate to be the party pooper but, Obama's math didn't add up either. We are so far in debt that electing our spendaholic President again will thrust us into a Depression much worse than the Great Depression.
Also, ALL of that spending is NOT Bush's fault. All of Obama's spending was NOT done to correct "the mess left by Bush". Some of it was just to pay back his largest campaign contributors...like the energy groups he backed that all FAILED. Imagine that.
The good ship "Libby Pop" is sinking and all the rats are coming to the surface. One and done for Oblabla.
No more of 44!
R/R 2012!
youre right about one thing...the sewer rats like you sure have come out lately.
Ryan is going to mop the floor with ole uncle joe!
ROMNEY/RYAN 2012-2016
LMAO sure..enjoy your theocracy world...or did you not know thats what its called when you base laws on religion you dult...
Send them two swabbies over to my place, where I'll have two mops and buckets waiting on deck.
Let me be the judge of their floor mopping abilities.
A saint you "ain't"... personal attacks on other posters ... calling one a "sewer rat" and the other a "dult" which one can only presume is a liberal's spelling of "dolt".
Who said anything about theocracy, genius ?
Erskine Bowles, co-chair of President Barack Obama's budget-deficit commission had this to say of Paul Ryan.
That's a democrat saying good things about a republican on UNC Chapill Hill campus, a very liberal school.
Man do some of you have it backwards and just plain Wrong, someones been paying too much attention to Obamas Lies.
what lies? I can sit here for MONTHS detailing Mitts lies. But ill do you a favor and remind you of his job creation record in MA as its Gov. 47TH!! enjoy..moron
Obama has created so many jobs and signed offshore drilling permits to reduce oil prices since he has been in office right? David Saint is a freaking moron and the whole reason these lib tards got elected in the first place. Do yourself a favor and drive off a bridge.
David,
That is a lie, yes the average was 47th but when he became Governor they were 50th and when he left they were 28th. He also left with an unemployment rate of 4.6% which by most economists is full employment so it is hard to create jobs when everybody who wants one has one
Are you really trying to credit Rmoney for that increase? You do know that 707 of his 844 vetoes were overridden by the Democrats? Don't you? What was accomplished was done by the Democrats. You do know that Rmoney is losing in Massachusetts by 20 points. You know that don't you?
It is hard to believe but Biden is one heart beat away from being the leader of the United States.That is scary as hell.
ryan is much, MUCH scarier. At least Joe can handle other countries leaders and believes in our country...Ryan wants to make it a theocracy!
What are u some kinda of athiest? At least I believe in your right to believe that way. You seem to hate the fact that he is a religious person.
I don't like religion, but I don't hate people who are religious UNLESS they try to legislate their religious views into law. This is one big turn off of the republican party. Even though I tend to side with democrats and consider myself liberal, I do share some of the ideals of republicans. I DO believe in the death penalty (which is weird that religious people do because of thou shalt not kill and all that) and I also agree with legislating that sharia law cannot be considered acceptable in America. Then again I don't think catholic law, general christian law, mormon law, or jewish law should be enacted either. I like that we have freedom of religion and freedom FROM it.
By far the scariest thing about religion is the insane people who follow it. Even if I'd been raised in a more religious household (we stopped attending church when me and my sister asked to stop going) I think some of the atrociousness that is displayed by the religious would have been enough to make me rethink being involved in such a cult. I'm not atheist or religious, I'm agnostic. So like I said, it'd be nice if people kept religion the hell away from legislation.
I know a way we can make revenue for the government to pay off our bills!!! REMOVE TAX EXEMPT STATUS FROM ALL THE CHURCHES! I don't see why they get a tax exempt status anyways seeing as how often they choose to play politics.
T LibGirl : I live in Florida and we have a great Republican Governor(HA) and almost all are the wonderful religious Republicans Right now in the coming election they have great amendment called the Religious Rights Amendment I was about to vote for it until I found what it really was. It has nothing todo with religious rights at all it was to remove a law on the books that state tax money can't be given to the church . They want that repealed and give tax voucher money to the church schools. Why tax money donated to churches when the already are tax exempt that should be unconstitutional I would think. They are the ones that says cut spending.
When the church gets involved in politics it is no longer a church, but a business and should be taxes as such.
Clayton.....
You should NEVER vote for an amendment to your State constitution regardless of your view on the issue.
Amending your State constitution is like etching a change into stone, it is extremely difficult to change it, which is why special interest groups now actively pursue Constitutional amendments.
Open the door and you will soon have a State constitution that is a thick as the Internal Revenue Code, and about as clear. Constitutional amendments should be exceptionally rare, like few over hundreds of years.
Keep it simple and force legislatures to do their job and draft proposals as legislation, not constitutional amendments.
Should be interesting to watch ol' Joey try to defend the total failure of the Obama/Biden domestic socialist manifesto and their cowardly foreign policy.
LMAO yea, bush's foreign policies did wonders didnt it genius...and whos advising mitt and ryan? Thats right, THE SAME DAMN PEOPLE YOU IDIOT... LOL its like you morons just dont care about facts..youd rather just believe the rhetoric...
ps doubt me? LOOK IT UP..SAME PEOPLE WHO TOLD BUSH TO SEND TROOPS TO IRAQ
Actually leading up to September 11, 2001 attacks whose foreign policies were still in affect then David Saint?
Who warned bush/cheney about the impending attacks? Then who went on an extended vacation that only ended on 911?
Au contraire. The Democrats voted for appropriate action to find and punish those responsible for 911. OBL was never in Iraq and Bush/cheney gave up on finding him after less than 6 months! you could not get more incompetent if you tried. Well, maybe you could.................
Biden is the ONLY bigger idiot on the planet than Obama and is the ONLY reason Obama has not been impeached or removed by less conventional or legal means.. Ryan is highly educated and brilliant ..Biden barely got a GED (like most liberals) ..its gonna be ugly again
LMAO YOU LOST ME AT RYAN BEING EDUCATED AND BRILLIANT...What was his marathon time again?????
liberalequalscretin: You working class, blue collar, Romney/Ryan people are an absolute mystery. Romney seems to me to be a traditional RINO while Ryan is clearly a Minarchist (See Wikipaedia if you don't know what that means. There is an accurate definition there.) The problem in the Republican Party today is centered in the struggle between the Romney people and the TEA Party Ryan people, although there are some TEA Party people who don't care for Ryan. The civil war going on there is fierce.
There is as everyone knows an aggressive far, right wing, extremist, fanatical group of wealthy individuals and families who want this country to return to social Darwinism, or Minarchism, or pure lassiez faire capitalism. In short, that politico-economic philosophy is as follows:
"In the strictest sense, it maintains that the state is necessary and that its only legitimate function is the protection of individuals from aggression, theft, breach of contract, and fraud, and the only legitimate governmental institutions are the military, police, and courts. In the broadest sense, it also includes fire departments, prisons, the executive, and legislatures as legitimate government functions."
So, when Republicans speak today of smaller government, that is what they mean. That is their theoretical model for America. Ryan's House Budget is based on that model. If you haven't connected the dots yet, then let me go on.
Do you see anything about Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, veterans benefits, farm subsidies to protect family farms, small business protection from giant corporations, or government regulations to prevent to protect you and your family from contaminated food, con artists selling you contaminated medicines, etc. etc.? None of that is there! Why do you think Paul Ryan wants to privatize Social Security and end Obamacare? I say again, he has told you that he is working out of the theoretical model to implement his ideas. How many times must you hear it before you believe what this reactionary revolution is all about?
Paul Ryan and his minarchists who make up "the movement" in the Republican Party today believe a free market system, even though it has natural cycles of high prosperity and extreme economic depressions, should be left to regulate itself according to the Darwinist argument, "the strongest in nature will survive and the weak will die out." John D. Rockefeller, owner of Standard Oil Company, said it best. He said: "The natural end of capitalism is monopoly." Think about it. Today, Wal-mart should be left alone in the free market system to control its prices and wages to compete with small businesses in your town. Don't listen to me, though, listen to what Paul Ryan and his ilk are telling you.
Republican RINOs are opposed to the above politico-economic model Paul Ryan, Eric Cantor, the TEA Party, and the Koch Brothers want to implement in this country. That is what the civil war in the GOP today is all about. The wild card in it all is Mitt Romney. No one knows where he actually stands on anything, but his past does not suggest that of a Minarchist. He flirts with them, but then he says things that suggest he just isn't there. The TEA Party people have all but given up on him saying their interest is to elect their own people to Congress. They say they don't really care who wins the presidency because they don't trust either Romney or Obama. If they can control Congress, they say, they can control the Republic.
The Reactionary Revolution or "the movement" going on in the GOP today amounts to a civil war. The prize will be control of an old political party that has had respect among the American people for over one hundred and fifty years. The question for the Republic is whether we want these people who clearly want a plutocracy to be our rulers. I simply do not see how any working man or woman, any middle class man or woman, or underclass man or woman can support the "Reactionary Revolution" for control of the Republic. I hope you agree.
Actually I have a PhD in mathematics , an income that monthly exceeds all monies you will ever earn in your paper hat/mop/polyester uniform career and I retired at 26 to do private consulting.. The FACT of the matter is Ryan is smart Biden is a dolt, and it is also FACT that Biden being V P is the only reason Obama is still in office or even walking around breathing.. Now get back in your mom's basement, do another bong hit and fire up your xbox until its time for you to go make fries again.. Or better yet, do us ALL a favor and hang yourself in your mom's garage... Seriously, It will increase the average IQ improve the gene pool and your mother's daily shame she didnt have a coat hangar available in time will be gone.. And as an added bonus, it will also be the ONLY way that EVERYONE that doesn't have down syndrome will stop laughing you..
The Democrats who always talked about the intelligence of George Bush fail to mention that V.P. Biden was 76th out of 85 at Syracuse Law School.
T Jefferson-164....
You sound like the mirror image of some really whacked-out libertarian conspiracy theorist. And, I couldn't agree less. What you're saying is insane. No one is looking to turn the US into a theocarcy. Please. This election is about saying no to the values of the liberal/progressives who, on one hand, are for the most part nice people who love their children and try to pay their bills on time, etc. and on the other hand want government to solve all their problems. What they don't understand is every decision you allow the government to make is one less you can make on your own. It's about trying to stop a trend that gains momentum everyday. If you like where you're going then vote for BO. If you don't like the trend, the trajectory of this country right now, vote for the republicans. As far as I'm concerned, I'd vote for ANYBODY besides BO
Better read the post again, tom.
I read nothing concerning a theocracy.
He did mention 'theoretical'.
However, he did talk about 'Plutocracy'.
WOW! A lot of desperation and paranoia from the lefties on this liberal site! Biden is toast! He's an idiot!
Joe Biden seems to work at every used car lot in the US.
You should be ashamed at insulting those used car salesmen ... LOL !
Mitt would make a great used car salesmen. He lies,cheats,steals,and blames others for his own
ineptness.
So you do agree that the Mittwit is a used car salesman. Did you really pay $10,000 for that 1984 Yugo with 300,000 miles on it?
OOPS!!!!
The AP said Obama's claim "doesn't add up." Politifact deemed the president's claim "half-true," calling it "accurate but misleading." Could Romney's tax cuts by themselves add up to $5 trillion? Maybe. But he also pledges to close loopholes and deductions to make up the difference, though he hasn't offered many specifics.
Obama acknowledges this, but still calls it a $5 trillion tax cut. "The $5 trillion figure accounts for only half of Romney's plan," Politifact notes
The same Politifact that rates Romney's claims as "False," "Mostly False" and "Pants on Fire"? Convenient how you left that part out of your post.
Rep. Emanuel Cleaver, D-Mo., the chairman of the Congressional Black Caucus, said last year,"If (former President) Bill Clinton had been in the White House and had failed to address this problem, we probably would be marching on the White House."
The problem to which Cleaver refers is black unemployment. At the beginning of the Obama administration, 12.7 percent of black adults seeking work were unemployed.Black unemployment is now 14.1 percent. Black teenage unemployment at the beginning of the Obama administration was 35.2 percent. Black teenage unemployment is now 37.9 percent.
Last month,Cleaver said: “As the chair of the Black Caucus, I’ve got to tell you, we are always hesitant to criticize the President. With 14 percent [black] unemployment, if we had a white president we’d be marching around the White House….The President knows we are going to act in deference to him in a way we wouldn’t to someone white.”
A reporter asked Cleaver what would he say had Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, instead of Obama, been elected president.Cleaver admitted: “As much as I love Sen. Clinton, I would have been all over her on 14 percent unemployment for African-Americans. I would have said, ‘My sister, I love you, but this has got to go.’”
Actor Morgan Freeman accuses Senate GOP Leader Mitch McConnell of placing the defeat of Obama ahead of the welfare of the country. But there is no problem with Cleaver putting Obama’s re-election ahead of the welfare of the very people who most enthusiastically voted the President into office?
Cleaver and other black Democrats in the House hail from the same tax/spend/regulate left side of the left party. What possible useful advice could they offer? “Hey, Mr. President, please don’t accede to our political demands because, in truth, they are counterproductive.”
Back in April 2003, then-Illinois state Sen. Obama sharply criticized high black unemployment under then-President George W. Bush. Obama assailed Bush’s “attack on working families,” arguing that the President needed to “fix up the economy first” before doing anything else -- like lowering taxes. Black unemployment, at the time, was 10.3 percent. Obama spoke about “the economic disaster that is occurring in our communities.”
When black unemployment edged up to 10.9 percent the next month, Obama called out Bush for his “unprecedented $300 billion deficit,” which, he said, “underscores the recklessness of the George W. Bush administration and the Republican Congress.” Under Bush, the economy grew for 35 consecutive months. And black unemployment reached a low of 7.9 percent.
Puzzled at the disdain for Bush -- despite better black employment numbers than those under Obama? Consider the contempt so many blacks display toward former President Ronald Reagan.A few months ago, I interviewed PBS television host Tavis Smiley. To make the case for less government and lower taxes -- the opposite of which Obama has pursued -- I cited the unemployment rates and other economic numbers for blacks under Reagan.
Smiley: Every stat you cited, vis-a-vis people of color, does not measure up when you talk to the people of color who had to live through the hell of those eight years of Ronald Reagan.
Elder: What do mean, “talk to the people”? I’ve just given you labor stats, census stats -- these are facts, Tavis. Unemployment fell faster in the black community than the white community -- it fell faster for teens, it fell faster for adults, it fell faster for Hispanics. And you’re telling me when you talk to people, they don’t like Reagan, so therefore stats go out of the window?
Smiley: Larry, your numbers are not true. When I get back to my office, later today or tomorrow, I’ll send you some more numbers. You know this --numbers don’t lie, but people do. The numbers are very clear.
What if Obama were white?
Apart from high black unemployment, Obama opposes allowing urban parents to select the school for their children. Though he calls education “the civil rights issue”of the 21st century, Obama opposed the popular D.C. Opportunity Scholarship program. By lottery, inner-city Washington, D.C., children received vouchers to help allow parental choice in education. High school graduation rates increased from 70 percent for applicants not offered a scholarship to 82 percent for the scholarship recipients.
The head of the Congressional Black Caucus concedes that blacks suffer from a level of unemployment that would be unacceptable under a white president. But because of Obama’s race, Cleaver refuses to criticize him.
How is this any different from how actor Samuel L. Jackson explains why he voted for Obama? “I voted for Barack,” said Jackson,“because he was black. ’Cuz that’s why other folks vote for other people -- because they look like them.” Meanwhile, black political leaders like Cleaver refuse to criticize what Obama himself, in 2003, called“the economic disaster that is occurring in our communities” -- because Obama looks like them.
And Tavis Smiley’s “more”numbers have yet to arrive.
Aren't you just so proud of what your tinkle upon economics has done to America? No working man should be because our income has gone down in the last 30 years while the 1%ers have made their income go up and up and up. What is it now, 600% more? When was the last time you got a raise?
Do you know that President Clinton and President Carter both created more jobs per year than Reagan did? They also paid down on the national debt. That is something that a republicon has not done since Gerald Ford.
Ponder that, Pinkie.
What did they pay it down with?
Where did social security go again?
Remember that boomers paid in too? There should still be a surplus...unless it was stolen somewhere along the way...
I am amazed that either side would still have the bark to talk about the other side lying.
Exactly, first off Romney hasn't had a chance to lie, he has laid out a plan, he has answered questions he hasn't been in office to prove what he would actually do, this is case with every candidate ever, they all eventually prove to be "liars" in one way or the other, it is unrealistic to think a person can live up to everything they claim in just 4 years (3 years then 1 year of bashing their opponent) that being said the only thing i have seen obama do in office is repeal dont ask dont tell (which had no effect on 99.9% of the population) and force through ACA which still is a loser in polls. So he can't run on that, if he could honestly stand up and say we are in better shape today over 4 years ago because i championed this, this and this I would cross the party lines and vote for him, i did it for Clinton i would do it again, but he can't. Obama is (by most accounts) a great man and good person, that doesnt make him a great president, his stimulus bill accomplished nothing, his health care will (if left unturned) prove to be a disaster, he flip flopped on his view of gay marriage because polls showed it didnt matter what side you landed on as long as you chose a side (so he chose the opposite view of any Mormon) and he has added more to the debt than all other presidents. 8% unemployment with no plan other than green energy to fix it (guess what the windmill manufacturers are already pulling out and headed back to asia ) and he continues to allow threats to the US to do what they want (north korea claims they have a ICBM that can reach US main land). The administration tried to cover up a terrorist attack that killed US diplomats in Libya. About the only thing the guy has done that i agree with is not shutting down gitmo after he took a look and realized its a necessary evil, and made sure everyone could get insurance (needs a massive overhaul still, when a child becomes an adult they shouldnt have an issue getting insurance due to a preexisting condition, and that is the only exception) so they attack Romney calling him out of touch, basically saying because he is succesfull he doesnt understand the people of the US, i take offence to that, everyone should be offended when your president says this guys doesnt get you because he has lead a more successful professional life than you ever will....oh and another thing obama is in the 1% he is a millionaire and has no idea what life is like for 99% of the country but he knows if he keeps handing out thanksgiving turkeys people will support him...
Rmoney DID lie during the debate. His ENTIRE "performance" was a 180 of what he had been campaigning on during the past 18 months. Not only is he a LIAR, he is a CHEAT... wonder if he is going to be frisked before he walks on the stage during the 2nd debate!
WAKE UP! They have NO PLAN... They are making it up as they go along.... CHEESE US!
Biden is a retard, a racist and reject of the democratic party. The Clinton stroy where she was actually approached to replace him on the ticket was never debunked. Her husband (Bill) bumped his timeslot to another day during the DNC convention. If anyone has ZERO expectations in this debate it's Biden and to think he's only one heartbeat away from the Presidency. Which is why Obama choose him. No sane person would ever consider harming our president with that tool as our back up. No one can deflect the failure of a Presidency better than Biden. Which all Americans already know going into this debate. But like football, this is definately a "trap game". On paper Ryan crushes Biden, but that wacko does have heart and charm and will be going hard at Ryan on Romney's policies. You can bet on that.
When there is a forest fire, why don’t they just send one person to fight it and require that it be extinguished in 1 day?
That is essentially what Republicans have expected President Obama to do with the economic disaster left him in 2009.
As with the forest fire it takes everyone pulling together with coordinated precision and still time is needed to extinguish the fire. This is further complicated by wind, humidity and other uncontrollable factors.
As the fire slowly recedes, the damage is significant and only time will heal the damage to the forest and landscape.
I suspect that most Americans appreciate this distinction. As Bill Clinton so astutely mentioned at the DNC, no person could have turned this country around in 4 years.
The Republicans would have you go down to the hospital and yell at the sick people for not getting well and out of there quicker.
People like Jenncoolfla, keep saying Romney lies, but no one has mentioned even one!. I is a case of the ones yelling Lier, lier, being the ones lieing. It should be a good debate, Biden will try to bring emotion into the debate, it is his only chance to come out good, he can not debate the policys, or the facts of thier results, I am sure he will bring up the questionable at best 7.8% unemployment number, but if he does I know Ryan will bring up the numbers on why it is questioned. The same goes for the 47% issue, I hope Ryan stands by it, becasue it needs to be addressed.
MSN is doing all they can. But just like the last presidential debate, we will let the vice presidential debate do the talking. It is going to be so bad for Biden, I'll probably end up feeling embarrassed and sorry for him....just like I did for Oblahblah.
Do a google search for Patheos and Steve Benen. Patheos is a Christian site. This is what you will find.
I’ve written about or linked to a great deal here “chronicling Mitt’s mendacity” — to borrow Steven Benen’s phrase.
Mitt Romney says many, many things that are not true. He says this despite being in possession of the correct facts of the matter.
Which is to say that Mitt Romney lies. A lot. He lies more than any other national candidate for office in my lifetime. And I was born before the Nixon administration.
This is documented. Proven. Validated, verified, demonstrated, catalogued and quantified. Mitt Romney lies.
Here are 30 — 30! — of Benen’s weekly “chronicling” posts. These are all backed up and sourced. These are not assertions, interpretations or allegations. These are facts, actual instances.
Over the past 30 weeks, Mitt Romney has told lie after lie after lie: I, II, III, IV, V, VI, VII, VIII, IX, X, XI, XII, XIII, XIV, XV, XVI, XVII, XVIII, XIX, XX, XXI, XXII, XXIII, XXIV, XXV, XXVI, XXVII, XXVIII, XXIX, XXX.
Click those links. Read the lists. List after list of lie after lie. Hundreds of them — 533, to be exact, although Benen does not make any claim to providing a comprehensive chronicle.
This is unprecedented. “We’re not going to let our campaign be dictated by fact-checkers,” Romney’s pollster, Neil Newhouse, said.
This has produced what James Fallows calls the “post-truth” age — a relentlessly dishonest onslaught of brazen falsehoods with which the media and the political system are struggling to cope. What do you do when every article, every “fact-check,” every arbiter denounces a lie and corrects it, but then a politician just keeps repeating it?
It’s remarkable to behold.
One of the weirder aspects of this for me is watching this unfold in the politically conservative culture of my evangelical world. The most partisan evangelical conservatives are also those most likely to rant against “relativism” and to trumpet their status as defenders of “absolute truth.” Those same folks will dismiss this post — and all 30 of Benen’s posts above — as mere partisan attacks without ever bothering to examine the 533 factual instances of Mitt’s mendacity, chronicled.
That’s the only cognitive defense they have, I guess. Jam fingers in ears and shout la-la-la-you’re-being-partisan!
Because, you see, the fact that Mitt Romney said something he knew to be false is a partisan fact. And the fact that he has done this at least 533 times in the past 30 weeks is also partisan.
I suppose the other approach for Romney defenders who cannot bear to face the fact of those 533 facts will be to angrily pore over all of Benen’s lists, reading each one with a lawyerly eye.
Have at it. Please. Cherry-pick. Spin. Split hairs. Hand-wave away whichever lies you wish as mere misdemeanors and not full-fledged felonies against honesty.
But how many of those charges do you think you can get dismissed? 10 percent? 20 percent? Maybe, if you’re that sort of person and you work really hard at it — if you’re willing to get even more pedantic and semantic and technical than even you are usually comfortable with — maybe you could half convince yourself that 50 percent of those lies somehow shouldn’t really count against Romney.
That still leaves more than 260 lies. That still leaves Mitt Romney as a convicted liar, 260 times over. And at that point you’ll have to join your friends with their fingers in their ears.
But you’ll still know.
Because everyone knows. Mitt Romney lies. A lot. That is what he does. That is who he is. And friend or foe, he does not care if you know it.
When Obama became President 60.1% of all Americans were working. Today almost four years later 57.7% of all Americans are working! That is a 2.3% decline in the number of Americans working! Since Obama became President, the middle class has lost 7.4% of it's medium household income! Obama where are the JOBS!No more O and Joe!
Romney Ryan-2012, for a prosperous America!
Ummm...
You're backing a guy who's shoveled millions into offshore tax haven accounts,.. who's now telling you he cares about creating American jobs??
How childishly naive...
But if we just give Obama four more years K1200RS we can blame everything on Bush when we are 20 trillion in debt, and lose more jobs, personal taxes go up, and taxes hidden in Obamacare. Obama "came into a mess and only had eight years to fix Bush's mistakes" YES, I can't wait for Obama to be re-elected... NOT
You are fools if you think Romney will not add to the deficit, he will and at a faster rate than Obama. Always surprises me the right is incapable of math and I used to part of the right. glad I split for the center.
Bill -
If we continue at the current rate of deficit spending - which we need to stop - we will be over $22 trillion, not $20 trillion.
- But what's a few trillion between 'friends'?
That is the problem. Rmoney wants to cut taxes on the rich and drastically increase military spending. The deficit will grow exponentially if that Mittwit gets in there and does what he says he will do.
Remember, after his "one and done" mess in Massachusetts Obama now has a 20 point lead there.
The deficit will continue to grow because there are too many overspending programs and they can't all be cut at once. The big difference will be that Romney will get us on the right financial policies. Obama just wants to go on as usual without knowing where he is trying to take us.