Mile-high stakes for first presidential debate

 

Updated 2 p.m. ET- DENVER – Voters will have their chance to size up President Barack Obama and Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney side-by-side, when both men take the stage at the University of Denver Wednesday night for their first of three debates.

Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney is preparing to face off against President Obama at tonight's debate in Denver, Colo. NBC's Peter Alexander reports.

And with Election Day just a month away, expectations and anticipation for tonight’s showdown are mile high.

Romney, the Republican presidential hopeful, trails Obama in most polls, both nationally and in key battleground states. Tonight’s debate offers the challenger an opportunity to change the dynamics of the race and Romney is expected to take an aggressive posture in hopes of doing just that.

Both candidates have spent a lot of time in the critical swing state fighting for those nine electoral votes but recent polling has President Barack Obama in the lead. Gov. John Hickenlooper, D-Colo., discusses.

For his part, Obama will have to guard against his Republican opponent’s attacks – particularly on the anemic economy and the administration’s response to a terrorist attack against a U.S. embassy last month in Libya – all while trying to illustrate the “contrast” between himself and Romney.

"Gov. Romney, to me, seemingly shifts his shape. I don't really know what Gov. Romney stands for – you look at his Massachusetts record, you look at what he promoted when he was running for the U.S. Senate – and now you compare that with his various proposals since he's been running for office," said Colorado Sen. Mark Udall, a Democrat. "So I think this debate tonight will continue the dynamic of the campaign that's focused on contrasts and differences."

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The stakes on Wednesday evening are especially high for Romney, who’s trailed Obama in most polls since each party’s national conventions concluded at the beginning of September. A series of missteps by the former Massachusetts governor – involving his quick response to the Libya incident and the revelation of secretly recorded remarks seeming to write off 47 percent of voters, whom he called “dependent” upon government – have put the private equity titan in the unenviable position of having to make up ground versus Obama.

NBC's Kristen Welker reports from Denver, Colo., where President Obama will debate Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney tonight.

October’s three debates might be Romney’s last, best hope to accomplish that goal. Political observers typically look toward three moments in an election for a candidate to change the state of the campaign. The first two – choosing a running mate and the national convention – have come and gone.

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In the final push in the 2012 presidential election, candidates Mitt Romney and Barack Obama make their last appeals to voters.

That leaves the debates – tonight in Denver, Oct. 11 in Hempstead, N.Y., and Oct. 22 in Boca Raton, Fla. – for Romney to make his argument.

The Republican nominee will look to deliver the kind of aggressive attacks on Obama for which his conservative supporters have clamored.

Several Romney voters at events here in Colorado preceding Wednesday’s showdown said they feared he currently trailed Obama. All of them said they wanted to see the GOP nominee come out swinging versus the president.

“I don’t think he has been tough enough,” said Caroline Peale, who attended Ann Romney’s event on Tuesday afternoon in Littleton. “He has so much ammunition. He doesn’t use it!”

Peggy Fulster, a self-described independent voter who decided for Romney in recent months, said: “I believe he's behind, but I think he can make up ground. I think a lot of people are sitting on the sidelines to see what happens in the debates.”

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The risk for Romney could involve seeming too aggressive; he must straddle a delicate dividing line between criticizing the president and seeming petulant in a way that could turn off many swing voters.

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This combination of file pictures shows President Barack Obama Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney addressing crowds.

Obama is sure to play defense at moments of the debate, which will be moderated by Jim Lehrer of PBS. But the debate format is largely open-ended in a way that could maximize interactions between the candidates. As a result of a coin toss, Obama will deliver the first opening statement and Romney will give the final remarks of the evening.

The president’s campaign has sought to play down expectations for Obama, emphasizing that the president hasn’t debated since the 2008 general election. Obama spent much of the past weekend and the first half of this week practicing for tonight’s matchup, huddling in Henderson, Nev., with senior staff and Massachusetts Sen. John Kerry, the 2004 Democratic presidential nominee who is playing the role of Romney in mock debates.

The Daily Rundown's Chuck Todd takes a "deep dive" into key presidential debates in America's history.

Obama, speaking a few days ago in Las Vegas, framed the debate as an opportunity to engage with Romney on issues of substance, playing down expectations and dismissing the notion of debate winners and losers.

“Gov. Romney, he's a good debater. I'm just OK,” the president said. “But what I'm most concerned about is having a serious discussion about what we need to do to keep the country growing and restore security for hardworking Americans. That's what people are going to be listening for. That's the debate that you deserve.”

Much of Obama’s campaign has focused on illustrating the differences between the two men, rather than embracing the model of an election that is effectively an up-or-down referendum on the president’s first term.

This evening, Obama is likely to continue in that vein, and has ample ammunition of his own to go after Romney. The Democrat’s campaign has turned Romney’s “47 percent” video into the subject of attack lines, and the president invokes Romney’s own low effective tax rate as evidence for why taxes should be reformed such that the wealthy pay a higher share of taxes.

One difficulty for both candidates involves letting the other's attacks get to them.

"I could see both men bristling a little bit at a comment the other one might make," said Udall. "There are times where you feel no good deed goes unpunished, and you want to at least push back – if not punch back – and set the record straight. I think there's a way to modulate it ... You respond with a punch, but it's got to be a clean, above board punch that's appropriate for that setting."

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Like Obama, Romney has spent a considerable amount of time preparing for these attacks and downplaying expectations. Romney’s team has pointed out that, despite the numerous primary debates earlier this cycle, the Republican presidential nominee hasn’t faced a Democratic opponent in about a decade, when he first ran for governor of Massachusetts.

“There’s going to be all the scoring of winning and losing, and you know, in my view, it’s not so much winning and losing or even the people themselves,” Romney said at a rally Monday evening in the Denver area.

NBC's Mark Murray breaks down the newest national and state polling ahead of tonight's debate.

Romney added: “I look forward to these debates. I’m delighted that we’re going to have three debates. It’ll be a conversation with the American people that will span almost an entire month.”

Ohio Sen. Rob Portman, a veteran of debate preparations for past Republican nominees, has taken the lead on playing Obama in practice sessions versus Romney. Portman traveled with Romney to Denver, and the two of them mostly worked privately on Tuesday in anticipation of tonight’s debate.

Would-be first lady Ann Romney pronounced her husband “excited” and “focused” in a rally Tuesday afternoon.

But whether there are that many undecided voters remaining on the sideline is another question. The challenge – for both candidates – could end up involving the number of voters who appear to have already determined their vote, making it more difficult than usual for either Romney or Obama to sway voters with a strong debate performance.

Tuesday’s NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll found that most voters, 60 percent, called the debate either "just somewhat important" or "not at all important."

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If you could ask a question for the debate, what would it be?

Mine question is, if the banks are too big to fail, why haven't they been broken up yet?

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#1 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 1:28 PM EDT

Moderator: Mr President, what do you plan to do about the 16 trillion dollar debt?

0bama: PASS.

Romney: GEOWTH!!!

  • 36 votes
#1.1 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 1:35 PM EDT
Comment author avatarLaker SteveExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

Biden says middle class has been 'buried over the last four years'

That's right, Joe! Under Obama the 1% is still damn well the 1%, and 23 million of the 99% are either under or unemployed!

Democratic policies at their best!

  • 56 votes
#1.2 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 1:37 PM EDT

Now let's hear some bumper sticker invective from the cartoon liberals to counter the bumper sticker invective from the cartoon conservatives...

You're both so clever, not to mention persuasive!

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#1.4 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 1:44 PM EDT
Comment author avatarED-2874315Expand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

Mr Romney, did you just wet yourself?

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#1.5 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 1:45 PM EDT

childish, Ed... childish.

:O)

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#1.6 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 1:49 PM EDT
Comment author avataralan_staticExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

Obama, did you build the podium?

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#1.7 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 1:49 PM EDT

Actually, I think President Obama is directing his debate message to the greater public, with an eye towards post-election battles he will have with Congress. He's trying to get the electorate informed, so people will apply pressure to their Representatives when Obama asks them to compromise. Obama always takes the long-view. He's preparing for his second term, as he says, trying to communicate better with the public, to get American voters on board with what needs to be done.

  • 88 votes
#1.8 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 1:57 PM EDT

Amy,

I sure hope he is 'preparing for his second term' because that would be a politically fatal mistake on his part.

This election is anything but a sure win for him.

:O)

  • 36 votes
#1.9 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 2:00 PM EDT
LooLoo.serDeleted

Oh so NOW the president is trying to keep the electorate informed. He couldn't do that regarding 09/11/12, because he would have had to tell the electorate "why yes, Ambassador Stephans did repeatedly ask for more security in Libya, but I chose not to provide it, "well yes we did know it was a terror attack within 24 hours, but hey I couldn't let the electorate know that, there's an election coming up." "What you mean that video didn't cause all those problems in the mideast?

Hey about that video out where Obama has been revealed as NOTHING more than a race baiter?

  • 55 votes
#1.11 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 2:04 PM EDT

Oh, janet-489369

Your criticizing the Obama administration for not immediately putting out a political message on the murder of their friend and colleague in Libya, before knowing all the facts, makes me think you pine for the days we invaded Iraq in response to an attack from Afghanistan.

The current administration is smarter than that. They aim before they shoot.

  • 99 votes
#1.12 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 2:15 PM EDT

Good question Alan_Static. I've one for both candidates.

Which is a priority to you American workers or investors and companies? Specifics supporting response required.

  • 40 votes
#1.13 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 2:20 PM EDT

Amy,

But they don't take aim until the republicans goad them into doing ANYTHING.

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#1.14 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 2:20 PM EDT

Mr. Romney - how will you pay for your 5 trillion dollar tax plan? Please be specific.

  • 81 votes
#1.15 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 2:36 PM EDT

Chef Darrell, consider when they do "goad," while uninformed once all is known and the facts do come out after they look like a bunch of fools. Shame on each of them for playing politics under such circumstances. They should have waited until the investigation was completed. They knew the FBI was unable to access the site and still processing witnesses as recent as a week ago. Fact...the Rachael Maddow show within days had information indicating it was a concerted terrorist attack as it was the anniversary of 9/11.

Janet, respectfully Ambassador Stephens did ask for more security but who allocates the funds for such programs? Congress. Look specifically at the one branch of do-nothings who went home early to campaign for their re-election. They each deserve no different then anyone else come November. Simply voters should pink slip them out for failure to to their job. Current U.S. House of Representatives has the worst and lowest rating in history.

  • 38 votes
#1.16 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 2:45 PM EDT

GEOWTH!!!

What is geowth?

  • 33 votes
#1.17 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 2:45 PM EDT

Going on the aggressive isn't a good strategy. He needs to tell people what his plan will be, in detail. And he can explain this 47% victim crap he spewed while he's at it!

  • 46 votes
#1.18 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 2:47 PM EDT

Mr. Romney - what tax deductions will you eliminate?

  • 40 votes
#1.19 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 2:47 PM EDT

People Died,

This election isn't all about jobs. Maybe it is to you but those of us with good jobs could care less about that. We vote on other issues!

Oh, and where are you getting this crap you are spewing? LIES!

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#1.20 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 2:49 PM EDT

Mary,

Fact...the Rachael Maddow show within days had information indicating it was a concerted terrorist attack as it was the anniversary of 9/11.

Then why, oh why did the white house wait for WEEKS to corroborate that? They are still going with the video nonsense.

Here's one for you, why did the DNC change their platform after the RNC ridiculed them? Can they not stand behind their own platform?

Here's how I envision the conversation:

DNC guy 1: Uh oh, the republicans are calling us silly about our platform.

DNC guy 2: Well we better change it so they don't call us sillyheads.

DNC guy 1: but won't the people think we are being knee-jerk ractionists caving to republican critiques?

DNC guy 2: It'll blow over. All we have to do is get Jimmy Carter's unemployed grandson to find a video of Romney.

  • 16 votes
#1.21 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 2:54 PM EDT
Comment author avatarunoitallExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

WOW....this is what obama and his admin is ALL about. Fisty and villiage idiots, what do you have to say?!

http://www.reagancoalition.com/articles/2012/20121003002-obama-layoff.html

Romney/Ryan2012 to save America for our children

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#1.22 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 2:54 PM EDT

Romney: GEOWTH!!!

Another conservative that doesn't need the R/R education budget cut.

  • 28 votes
#1.23 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 3:00 PM EDT

Yes Biden, the middle class was buried for Obama during the last 4 years, buried face down, Thanks Obama for keep me down. I'm bless to have a job , but thanks to Obama the gas cost me double, food is going to the roof, the tuition for my kid raise 15 % in the last two years , thanks to Obama who promise to help the students. I don't think the " 47%" are happy neither, but most of them prefer to stay in the plantation for fear to be free like the slaves in the past, Once they got freedom never went back.

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#1.24 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 3:12 PM EDT

My biggest concern is that Romney has stated that he is willing to "axe" popular tax deductions, including the home interest rate deduction and child deduction.

As a middle class citizen who has worked my entire life, this greatly worries me. I use those deductions for a variety of things, including spending money in businesses.

So Romney's plan just got extremely personal, as he may take money from me to pay for tax cuts to himself. This is redistribution from those who make less (myself), to those who make more (Romney).

So my questions are: Who exactly will lose these deductions? And how can you justify taking more disposable income from the middle class to give yourself a tax cut?

  • 40 votes
#1.26 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 3:12 PM EDT

Gee, unoitall. What an unbiased site you gave for your "evidence." You remember how the last budget debacle Congress and the president settled on a poison pill that would "force" Congress to work out a budget, or else Republicans and Democrats alike would lose on important issues to BOTH of them? Yeah, most at the time thought that would force cooperation, but instead Congress has once again left town without dealing with the issue. The government didn't send out layoff notices that would result from that poison pill because the thought was it would never be allowed to go down. But somehow that's some sort of "conspiracy" you want to paint blame on one side for, huh? BS. Oh, and don't forget which party has stated their goal is to block EVERYTHING, even when legislation THEY CREATED AND SPONSORED gets incorporated by the president.

  • 20 votes
#1.27 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 3:18 PM EDT

Amy B. Portland, ME says

Oh, janet-489369

Your criticizing the Obama administration for not immediately putting out a political message on the murder of their friend and colleague in Libya,

No Amy, we're criticizing Barry for lying to cover his own behind rather that do his job and protect an ambassador and staff in a dangerous place. We criticizing Barry for lying from the beginning, even when everybody in the world knew the truth.

PO'd about a film my butt. Wake up.

  • 19 votes
#1.28 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 3:21 PM EDT
Red_CloudDeleted

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#1.30 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 3:28 PM EDT

$16 TRILLION in national debt...

ALL GOP POLICIES.

Look it up.!

Romney will be asked to name the Democratic policies that added TRILLIONS and he will have to shake that etch-a-sketch vigorously because there are none.

NONE. ZILCH. ZERO. ZIPPO.

ALL GOP POLICIES AT FAULT.

Remember this...

Fixing the GOP's screw-ups, is NOT Democratic spending.

  • 26 votes
#1.31 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 3:29 PM EDT

Red Cloud - where have you been living?

Barry has proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that - just like the economy - foreign policy and international relations leave Mr. Obama completely clueless, and - in both cases - he's very comfortable with lying to cover his behind. Apparently it works with people that can't see the forest for the trees.

  • 19 votes
#1.32 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 3:30 PM EDT

There is something bothering me and I hope someone can answer my question.

Why was Clint Eastwood chosen to speak at the Republican convention? Was it to remind the public, of when John Wayne spoke, at Ronald Reagan's nomination? If so, the Republicans really missed the boat. Or their vetting process has not improved, since the nominated Sarah Palin, as their candidate for Vice President?

Republicans have this single mindedness, that they are the only Christians, God listens too. They are avid supporters of the ten commandments. So, why oh why did they select Clint Eastwood, who fathered two children out of wedlock, and denied them as his.

Or did God bless Clint's relationship with Sondra Locke, who admits she had two abortions, while she was living in sin, with Clint?

My research on Clint, showed he was a notorious womanizer, has poor fathering skills, cannot act ( My critique), has a temper and is senile. He was seen, while on TV, talking to a chair. Now, if that was meant to insult President Obama, it missed. If a Democrat did that to GW, the Democrat, would have been forced to go hunting with Dick Cheney!

So riddle me this, you Almighty Christian Republicans, how does the hard right, explain the likes, of Clint Eastwood,talking with such disrespect, to an empty chair?

Clint? Abortion? Clint? Living in sin? Clint? Cheating on one woman, while his long time love, has not one but two abortions?

My feelings are this. The Republicans are willing to look the other way, when it comes to their own. They are ready to vote for a known anti middle class, Romney than a man who has accomplished so much, inspite of the "Party Of No!"

Republicans love to call anyone, who does not agree with them a "Socialist" because they cannot think for themselves. Republicans are grateful, to the likes of Rush Limbaugh and Karl Rove, to give them adjectives to fling at Democrats because Republicans are, incapable of justifying voting, for President Obama. They would rather ruin our country than support a winner.

And the proof of my post is, Clint Eastwood! Anyone, who was not appalled by the disrespectful and insulting skit, he preformed at the Republican convention, has only one agenda. To elect anyone to the presidency, as long as it is not President Obama! And by some unforeseen, gut wrenching reason, Romney does win, our country will no longer be a Democracy. I for one, am not about to give up my freedoms.

God help us all. Yes, even Republicans!

OBAMA/BIDEN 2012

  • 30 votes
#1.33 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 3:32 PM EDT

Watch "hardcore Pawn" or "bait car" and you can see how that crowd is gonna vote. lol... don't forget Barry is giving them free cell phones too. Talk about useful idiots. I guess this crew isn;t going to be happy until most of the cities are nothign but welfare projects full of hood rats dependant on the government. MY questions is, who's going to pay for it? All production manufactures have either been forced out of the country due to the enviro nazis or stuck paying over priced union jobs.

  • 16 votes
#1.34 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 3:33 PM EDT

Freedom of Speech: The amount of taxes you pay has a lot to do with the number of jobs available to the public. If an enormous amount of the population is living off of welfare or unemployment where do you think that money comes from?

  • 8 votes
#1.35 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 3:37 PM EDT

I Wonder What Mick Romney Opening Zingers will be During the Pres Debate. Maybe He Will

Start By taking a play of out Tim Palenty's Old Playbook. . . .

Declaring that Pres. Obama is Engaging In "Class Warefare" Since that is Their Favorite Terms To Use When the Rich are Down and Out.

I hope Romney says This.

So That the Real Truths Comes out on This Matter:

Whose Engaging in Class warefare ? ? ?

Well The Replublicans Are . . . . Because they have been Responsible For:

1)Saying that the working poor and lower middle class 47% do not matter to them

2)Using every dirty Jim Crow tactic to prevent Voting by the Poor (Req Ids to vote, Striking Down Registered Voters in FL)

3)His Party (R) Was Responsible For the Biggest Economic Collapse Since the Great Depression and who did that hurt the most . . . The poor and working Class

His Party (R) Was Also Responsible For More Jobs Being Outsourced (During the Bush Administration) than Any Time In History ! ! ! who did that hurt the most . . . The poor and working Class

Hence, Now NO or Very Tiny Middle Class Is Left .

Now Because of His Party, The Rich are Even More Hated By The Poor And Poor Are Even More Hated By The Rich ! ! ! (Now THATS CLASS WARFARE).

I Truly Really Hope That Romney Brings This Issue Up So That Pres. Obama Can Pound Him to The Ground On It ! ! !

Obama Strategist Are you Listening ! ! !

Because Its a sure Bet Romney will either Bring this up

Directly or InDirectly Apologizing to the 47% He Offended ! ! !

  • 15 votes
#1.36 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 3:38 PM EDT

Romney is expected to take an aggressive posture...

This just in: Pope is expected to be Catholic! Film at 11.

D-U-H, what else can Mittens do? The GOP and his VP have hung him out to dry; the only way for him to try to get votes from the "undecided" is to attempt to showcase himself as a better alternative. We'll see what happens.

  • 12 votes
#1.37 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 3:38 PM EDT

Really Judy, you want to skewer all Republicans for Sandra Loch's behavior that YOU say is un-Christian, while your own party removed God from it's official platform and quite loudly and obviously voted NO three times to not put His Name back in?

A-hahahahahah......talk about living in denial!!

  • 16 votes
#1.38 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 3:38 PM EDT

Romney is TOAST.

  • 19 votes
#1.39 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 3:39 PM EDT

Judy,

Scanned your post and may have missed it, but Clint is also in favor of gay marriage. So I thought it was pretty funny that the Republicans picked him to speak!

  • 9 votes
#1.40 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 3:42 PM EDT

Norma - sounds like a lot of wishful thinking.

I'd say that the fact that Barry is slipping slowly in the polls (dead heat in most battle-ground states), the uncovering of Barry's 2007 racist rant will have a direct impact on the undecided - and Romney hasn't even ripped him yet in the debates.......to say it's not a lock is an understatement, unless you live in a dream world.

  • 10 votes
#1.41 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 3:45 PM EDT

On the Libya thing, on the day after Stevens was shot, while the news outlets were all reporting that the protestors on the street were saying their actions had to do with the offensive video, the AP reported that the White House suspected the Benghazi attack was preplanned. Not sure why Rice contradicted that a few days later, but I really doubt any kind of political calculation, since having terrorists attack a foreign embassy in the middle east doesn't seem particularly damaging politically. But go ahead and have fun with it.

On the Democratic platform, the President was left out of the process, and he was none too happy to find things in the platform that he didn't believe, and he put his foot down to have those things changed. Not all dems were happy about that, but, you see, Obama is the leader of the party, and he acts like it. Compare that to Romney and the 'no exception for rape' anti-abortion plank at the RNC. Romney doesn't believe that (he says), but he didn't have the fortitude to step in and take charge of his party. So there's that.

Neither candidate has any plan to stop tuition from going up. The difference is that Romney wants to cut things like Pell grants for students to pay the tuition, and Obama wants to maintain and in some cases expand those things. If you've got kids going to school, Redvirginia, then you should be aware that Romney's advice to your child is to ask you for money. No, really, that's what he advised the kids: shop around, and ask your parents for money.

  • 14 votes
#1.42 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 3:45 PM EDT

Mike - please pay attention since the free cell phone program has been shown to have started in 1996. It's an FCC program and originally dealt with land lines. Because the FCC leadership realized people of all incomes need phones to deal with emergencies, they started the program. It was changed to cell phones when the techonology proved it to be the right way to go.

Now, do you feel just really foolish because you should!

Obama/Biden 0212

  • 21 votes
#1.43 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 3:52 PM EDT

I would ask both candidates what their position is in regard to outsourcing US jobs overseas, and whether they thought it was the responsibility of the government to address job outsourcing.

I'd love it if they would go into details about how to address this problem.

  • 8 votes
#1.44 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 3:53 PM EDT

So why no comment about Obama from a Republican Congressman? msnbc knew what libtard response they would get when asking Udall about Romney.

msnbc are simply stenographers for the Obama campaign and The National Enquirer of network" news". Their credibility is gone forever.

Joe Biden is the true face of the libs on these vines.

First, he just continues to repeat Obama's BS talking points.

Second, he has no problem lying his face off, just like his messiah Obama.

Third, he has his head so far up Obama's arse he can't see what a disaster Obama is.

Fourth, he is dumb as a rock.

Fifth, he will have to find a job after the election too.

If you voted in the last election to prove you weren't a racist, vote in this one to prove you're not a moron.

The White House is no place to practice affirmative action.

You do not have to admit you made a mistake. Just erase it.

THE END OF AN ERROR.

ROMNEY/RYAN 2012

  • 11 votes
#1.45 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 3:55 PM EDT

Since Frank Marshall Davis has been dead for 26 years, I would say that Obama has almost no relationship with him.

  • 10 votes
#1.46 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 4:00 PM EDT

Moderator: Mr. Pres, how do you plan to fix the economy?

Obama: It was the policy's of GB that got us into this mess. Umm..how can I do anything in just four years? Derf..Derf. Bush made this mess..derf..derf.

  • 5 votes
#1.47 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 4:05 PM EDT

Romney really has not chance.

1. He can tell the truth and what he really thinks which will sink him.

2. He can continue to refuse to answer the questions and hide what we think are relevant fact, which apparently satisfies 46% of the population.

3. He can continue to lie and change his story to what he thinks people want to hear. I am still not sure how anyone can believe anything he says. He changes his story constantly, sometimes within hours. If he does make a statement, his campaign staff has to revise and clarify it as soon as he done speaking.

It is too obvious that he does not have a plan that he is willing to share with the public. Two things I am sure he wants to do is to eliminate the estate tax and taxes on capital gains. I wonder who that will help. Not only him, but his billionaire donors.

  • 6 votes
#1.48 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 4:11 PM EDT

Wouldn't it be nice if both got up, shook hands, and just talked specifically on what THEY plan to do in the next 4 years, instead of what a scumbag their opponent was?? Ok, I can I can dream.

  • 10 votes
#1.49 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 4:12 PM EDT

My question would be; Hey Obama, what will be the next basketball game Air Force One be flying you off to at $186,000 per hour? And please stop saying that you killed Osama Bin Laden, you've said that 100 times already.

  • 7 votes
#1.50 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 4:12 PM EDT
Comment author avatarPaul-596618Expand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

OMG Clint Eastwood may be senile, but not compared to Norma Flores!

  • 3 votes
#1.51 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 4:13 PM EDT

Chuck:

I never called anyone "Un Christian." that is your adjective not mine. And I never said I believe in God. I am a spiritual person. My God is not a Republican or a Democrat. I also do not believe in abortion but who am I to tell a little girl, she has to have her rapists child? Or a woman who has cancer and needs chemotherapy now, she needs to spare her life, for an unborn child. I worked in oncology for many years. There are so many scenarios, where the woman was pregnant but decided not to abort their babies. One of them was a dear friend of mine. She died when her son was five. Abortion is not a political issue, it is a personal one.

Lastly, if you believe Clint did not have input into the abortions Miss Locke had, "MAKE MY DAY!"

  • 8 votes
#1.52 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 4:17 PM EDT

Mr Romney. Exactly who will be paying for your proposed increase in the space program, and will that include any money from the 47% you plan on cutting funds from?

  • 5 votes
#1.53 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 4:20 PM EDT

@People Died Obama Lied

So President Obama told them don't send out notices. I would have done the same thing and so would you. It's easy to say look look look President Obama is a failure. But your sh!t bag tea party is at fault with this they refuse to compromise on any and everything. Guess how many days the housed of reps worked in September - "4 Days" That's your GNOP Leader Bonner's call.

Can you say Epic Fail? YES FAILURE!

  • 9 votes
#1.54 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 4:26 PM EDT

I hope Mitt can hold Pres. Obama to account for the lies he's been telling this election. Maybe he can point out how the President had no idea what was happening in Libya as our own people we're slaughtered by hostile foreigners.

  • 6 votes
#1.55 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 4:29 PM EDT

The obvious question for Mitt.

Govenor Romney - Why do you feel it's ok for the residents of Mass to have Affordable Healthcare and not the entire country?

And if you feel the entire contry deserves it why have you pledged to repeal the new healthcare law?

  • 5 votes
#1.56 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 4:29 PM EDT

Most states that have income taxes allow the same deductions as the Federal Government. Deductions at the Federal level will impact state revenues. The Romney/Ryan calls for cutting Medicaid by one third.

Gov Romney have you considered how your budget plan will impact state taxes?

  • 3 votes
#1.57 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 4:29 PM EDT

And by some unforeseen, gut wrenching reason, Romney does win, our country will no longer be a Democracy. I for one, am not about to give up my freedoms.

God help us all. Yes, even Republicans!

OBAMA/BIDEN 2012

You might want to rethink that statement seeing as how Obama is taking away rights and forcing American's to buy a third party product (healthcare) and giving amnesty to thousands of illegal aliens in the US.

  • 6 votes
#1.58 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 4:29 PM EDT

Judy the ornery- I believe they chose Clint to speak because they couldn't find an ex-impeached-predator in chief in their party to do it for them. No other men of high moral standards exist since Jack and Ted Kennedy aren't available either.

  • 2 votes
#1.59 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 4:32 PM EDT

Judy says:

Or did God bless Clint's relationship with Sondra Locke, who admits she had two abortions, while she was living in sin, with Clint?

and then she said:

I never called anyone "Un Christian."

True, you just implied it as strongly as you could - sin vs God being a religious concept - and even invoking God's Name. Be that as it may - if you would bother to read my post, I didn't even mention abortion - you did - and I didn't defend abortion - I don't - but you want to accuse all conservatives based on your accusations of one person's behavior, (and who knows if you're accurate on her behavior or not) - yet the majority of Democrats very vocally and very publically, dumped God fro their platform. The provable actions of thousands vs the supposed actions of one.

Get real.

  • 2 votes
#1.60 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 4:35 PM EDT

Well Elloit-302, you and your people are just Mad at Prez O because he had the courage to distance himself from "that thing" from israel whom you people call "bibi" and his "red line" BULL$H!T trying to start yet another war, this time with iran. You know what "elliot- 302"? You fit right in with Rommel and his sidekick EddiMunster..Totally Amoral with no care of how many Good/Young American lives are lost just so you people get your way at America's Expense. Oh and Idiot..eeerrrr elliot, stop playing the race card thing, Prez O is Way Smarter then you'll ever be. Here is a helpful link idiot...eerrr elliot if you have the round ones to watch it, perhaps you'll learn something.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=og35U0d6WKY&feature=player_detailpage

  • 5 votes
#1.61 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 4:35 PM EDT

GO 'Bama!

Roll Blue Tide!

  • 7 votes
#1.62 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 4:37 PM EDT

BO 2012

$16 TRILLION in national debt...

ALL GOP POLICIES.

Look it up.!

Romney will be asked to name the Democratic policies that added TRILLIONS and he will have to shake that etch-a-sketch vigorously because there are none.

NONE. ZILCH. ZERO. ZIPPO.

ALL GOP POLICIES AT FAULT.

Remember this...

Fixing the GOP's screw-ups, is NOT Democratic spending.

Excuse me, but who's owned 2/3 - 100% of Washington since 2007?

That's right.....the Democrats.

Until you can refute that.....YOU LOOK IT UP!!

  • 7 votes
#1.63 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 4:38 PM EDT

...if Prez-0 wins - the next election will be the last election. Obama hasn't let that pesky US Constitution interfere with him signing executive orders that directly violate it.

  • 6 votes
#1.64 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 4:38 PM EDT

For the record...........Obama got Bin Laden.

Obama ended the recession with his first stimulus bill.

Obama did health care reform despite total Republican opposition (make him fail strategy of GOP)

Obama wanted a second stimulus to spur growth to 3/5 +, but the Republicans said "NO. WE DON"T NEED NO DARN STIMULUS." And here we are at 1.3% growth, not sufficient to reduce unemployment.

Obama ended the war in Iraq. McCain said withdrawal would be a disaster.

Obama supported sanctions as a peaceful method of stopping Iranian nuclear program and the Iranian currency is down 40% against the dollar and the government there is in crisis.

Obama ended don't ask, don't tell, and despite McCain's warning of impending disaster, nothing bad has come of the change.

Obama saved the auto industry.

Obama has done a good job. It would've been better if the Republicans had chosen to help our economy recover, but they wanted Obama to fail. They knew that if they helped him succeed, he would have been beyond challenge in this election and in all probability, would have gone on to be considered one of the greatest Presidents in history of USA.

OBAMA 2012.....for America's future.

  • 14 votes
#1.65 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 4:41 PM EDT

MIke-680333 says:

Watch "hardcore Pawn" or "bait car" and you can see how that crowd is gonna vote.

You got that part right.

I've voted Democrat much more than Republican over the years, but Barry is such a train-wreck, economy, race relations, foreign policy - it's impossible to understand why anyone not looking for welfare entitlements would vote for him. I'm no conservative but Romney looks infinitely better. Heck, Clint looks better...

  • 8 votes
#1.66 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 4:44 PM EDT

ComradeChaos

Excuse me, but who's owned 2/3 - 100% of Washington since 2007?

That's right.....the Democrats.

Until you can refute that.....YOU LOOK IT UP!!

Having a "majority" is not having "control".

The filibustering GOP "controls" the legislation or the lack of it.

YOU LOOK IT UP!

Democrats lost their filibuster proof majority in mid-2009.

And before that the GOP is responsible for all the debt.

Name me the Democratic policies that are responsible?

There are none.

  • 7 votes
#1.67 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 4:45 PM EDT

shaak..................................This one has apparently mainlined the kool-aid and lobotomized itself.

  • 3 votes
#1.68 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 4:46 PM EDT

shaak322 says:

For the record...........Obama got Bin Laden.

For the record - Nope. A Seal Team acting on intel - from a number of sources spanning years and involving lots of people in several counties - trained by Vets got Bin Laden. Barry was just a would be tag-along.

  • 5 votes
#1.69 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 4:49 PM EDT

BO 2012

ComradeChaos

Excuse me, but who's owned 2/3 - 100% of Washington since 2007?

That's right.....the Democrats.

Until you can refute that.....YOU LOOK IT UP!!

Having a "majority" is not having "control".

The filibustering GOP "controls" the legislation or the lack of it.

YOU LOOK IT UP!

Democrats lost their filibuster proof majority in mid-2009.

And before that the GOP is responsible for all the debt.

Name me the Democratic policies that are responsible?

There are none.

Keep living in fantasy land, bud. Thanks for the 2 credit rating declines by the way.

  • 5 votes
#1.70 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 5:01 PM EDT

Who am I? Why am I here?

  • 4 votes
#1.71 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 5:01 PM EDT

Taken from the article above maybe more people themselves should actually attempt to listen to what this Jackass is saying. He thinks he is a savior brought on by the Mormon church. He is an Elder in a church that is making inroads into our Government. And he is using the enemy of my enemy tactic. To gain the Rights vote. Yet he keeps letting it slip out those people are the PEOPLE ROMNEY. Mormons are not the chosen people and you sir are a JOKE.

“There’s going to be all the scoring of winning and losing, and you know, in my view, it’s not so much winning and losing or even the people themselves,” Romney said at a rally Monday evening in the Denver area.

He wont point to actual precise plans because his real plans have nothing to do with the actual PEOPLE just the power.

  • 3 votes
#1.72 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 5:04 PM EDT

When thinking about either candidate, I am reminded by this video that it doesn't matter. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JwNjyiCnp3w They should reshow this every 4 years.

    #1.73 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 5:04 PM EDT

    shaak322

    For the record...........Obama got Bin Laden.

    Obama ended the recession with his first stimulus bill.

    This dude must be on a life support machine and comes in and out of consciousness......

    • 8 votes
    #1.74 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 5:04 PM EDT

    Chuck in Olathe sorry but look up who is at the TOP of the chain of command. For our military. Yes Obama should not get all the Credit. The Seal team and the support behind the team deserve a great deal of it.

    People tend to forget that the Commander and Chief of all the Branches is the POTUS.

    • 4 votes
    #1.75 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 5:08 PM EDT

    PG8otard

    Commander-in-chief gets blame for failure and credit for success. This is how it has worked in USA. Reagan got credit for ending the Cold War. Did he do it alone?

    OBAMA got Bin Laden.

    Previous post typo 3/5 + should be 3% +

    • 7 votes
    #1.76 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 5:09 PM EDT

    Chuck,

    no props for the President getting bin ladin but you want to make him responsible for the attack on the embassy in libya? Seems a little biased wouldn't you agree?

    • 11 votes
    #1.77 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 5:15 PM EDT

    Obama thwarted elections.

    He started war with Russia instead.

    Romney would be wise to cancel debate and bid.

    The issues we face cannot be resolved through discussion.

      #1.78 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 5:20 PM EDT

      You guys really do seem to live on 2 different planets...Talking over each other about different issues your personalized news services and echo chambers have designated as most important.

      And Clint Eastwood is a libertarian....

      • 1 vote
      #1.79 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 5:23 PM EDT

      Amy said "Your criticizing the Obama administration for not immediately putting out a political message on the murder of their friend and colleague in Libya, before knowing all the facts, makes me think you pine for the days we invaded Iraq in response to an attack from Afghanistan.

      The current administration is smarter than that. They aim before they shoot."

      Well don't you think it would have been prudent not to say ANYTHING before he had the FACTS?????? Coming out and blaming a video and sending Susan Rice on 5 Sunday shows claiming it was the video, Jay Carney making an ass of himself as well as Victoria Nuland. So who shoots first before they aim??? This admin is corrupt, twisted, full of liars, spinners, and disrespect for not only the LAW but disdain for the constitution. Don't bother throwing any spin, distortion, and outright lies my way -- these are truths and public record something you and this admin obviously knows nothing about.

      • 5 votes
      #1.80 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 5:37 PM EDT

      first off navy seals killed osama bin laden can you honestly tell me any president would not do so

      the recession is more paused than ended

      health care no one has read forced down my throat i don't want

      the Iraq war ended on the same day bush set to end it nothing Obama

      did same for the Afghanistan end date

      second stimulus the first one did not work you cant create demand by throwing money at the situation you have to create a necessity for products
      sure people will buy stuff with the stimulus but that is a short term gain its just like road work what are all the people going to do when they run out of federal funding fire the same people they just hired

      gm went bankrupt anyway like they said they would without the bail out and Chrysler is gone

      so how is that good not to criticize but check the facts

      not to mention divided the country by race, religion, sex,

      we are an American people who need to work together not tear each other down sure it feels good when your tear down a republican or democrat depending which side your on but how does that help the country

      • 8 votes
      #1.81 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 5:49 PM EDT

      Still amazing me that Barry is having to fight for his life in this election...... he's done so much for America & the rest of the world. Can't imagine why anyone would not be voting to keep him & Michelle spending all of our money jet-setting around the world, rubbing elbows with the wealthy & Hollywood types. Wasting our hard-earned TAX DOLLARS on people that HATE US.

      Shoot, at this rate, we'll all be MILLIONAIRES within a couple years..... DEBT MILLIONAIRES that is.............

      • 4 votes
      #1.82 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 6:03 PM EDT

      Romney is expected to take an aggressive posture

      Isn't that precisely what Romney did when speaking to his supporters about the 47%?

      Well, we all know how that turned out.

      Can't wait until tonight!

      Obama and Democrats all the way in 2012!

      • 5 votes
      #1.83 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 6:04 PM EDT

      Read this article from Thomas Sowell before you even consider to vote this November. Forward it to all that you know:
      ___—
      If Obama wins, "then the fate of America -- and of Western nations, including Israel -- will be left in the hands of a man with a lifelong hostility to Western values and Western interests.
      President Obama is such a genial man that many people, across the ideological space, cannot see him as a danger.
      For every hundred people who can see his geniality, probably only a handful see the grave danger his warped policies and ruthless tactics pose to a whole way of life that has given generation after generation of Americans unprecedented freedom and prosperity.
      The election next November will not be just another election, and the stakes add up to far more than the sum of the individual issues. Moreover, if reelected and facing no future election, whatever political constraints may have limited how far Obama would push his radical agenda will be gone.
      He would have the closest thing to a blank check. Nothing could stop him but impeachment or a military coup, and both are very unlikely. A genial corrupter is all the more dangerous for being genial.

      • 3 votes
      #1.84 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 6:05 PM EDT

      How can this race have Obama ahead? Where are they taking the polls, the inner city areas of each state? What the hell are people thinking? Romney should be up at least by 75% to Obama's 25%. What is it the people like about Obama's record anyway?...

      Over 8% unemployment for a record 43 months in a row?

      Over $16 trillion in debt and counting? He increased it five trillion rather than reduce it five trillion as promised.

      Over 14% unemployment for blacks?

      Anemic economic growth?

      No budget for the past three years as required by the Constitution?

      A healthcare plan that will cost over three times what they said it would, was opposed by over 60
      % of the population, sucks $700,000,000 out of Medicare to help pay for it, and wasn't even read by any member of Congress that voted for it? How could you vote for a bill you haven't even read?

      Solyndra FAIL and cover-up (or at least no due diligence) that cost taxpayers over half a billion dollars?

      FAILURE to protect our embassy in Libya resulting in the deaths of four Americans, and the cover-up afterward.

      Fast and Furious FAILURE, resulting in the death of a boarder control officer and the cover-up by the Obama administration. Holder held in contempt of Congress.

      This presidency is a failure and it is time for Americans to realize it and vote for a man that is highly qualified to lead us out of it, Mitt Romney.

      • 3 votes
      #1.85 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 6:07 PM EDT

      Marklepew;

      Point #1 - Not responsible for the attack on the embassy - responsible for the decision to not move the ambassador when it was requested several days before the attack. It was his decision to not act - it was his fault when the ambassador was killed - not to dismiss Clinton's culpability in this though.

      Point #2: shaak322 said "Obama got Bin Laden". I stand by my response. Barry may have given the okay but he no more "got Bin Laden" than Moses parted the Red Sea. He just stood there while God did it.

      • 3 votes
      #1.86 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 6:34 PM EDT

      Dottie's Girl: Don't bother throwing any spin, distortion, and outright lies my way -- these are truths and public record something you and this admin obviously knows nothing about.

      Nice. You have just spread a bunch of half truths yourself but you don't want to hear anything else.

      Granted, the administration did not do a very good job on this. The video was a factor in the incident in Cairo. The video did provide cover for the real attack in Libya. Stephens was not in the embassy in Tripoli, he was in the consulate in Benghazi. Stephens did not ask for more security, he asked for less.

      You are entitled to your own opinion, but not your own facts.

      • 4 votes
      #1.87 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 6:38 PM EDT

      Job losses per month in January 2008: 800,000

      Job gains last month: 97,000

      30 straight months of private sector job growth

      GDP growth in 2008: negative 6%

      GDP growth last year 2.9%

      Dow Jones Average in January 2008: Under 8000

      Dow Jones Average today: 13,400+

      Record domestic oil production

      GM – all time record profits

      Near record corporate profits across the board

      Osama Bin Laden --- dead

      Iraq war --- over

      • 4 votes
      #1.88 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 6:48 PM EDT

      Republicans in congress refusing to vote on Obama's Jobs bill which projects 2 million jobs without adding a penny to the deficit. Reason, it will cost about $447 billion through a surtax on millionaires. The standoff on the debt ceiling, was a job killer which has applied the brakes to economic recovery. Dropping job growth from 200,000 a month, in half. Economic Policy Institute stated the compromise will likely shrink the economy by $43 billion this year, killing nearly 323,000 jobs. Ryan's "Path to Prosperity" cuts in his latest budget, according to the EPI would destroy another 4.1 million jobs by 2014. The latest tax legislation passed the House August 2, 2012 HR6169 which would cut taxes on the top earners from 35% to 25%, would put another 2.5 trillion in the wealthiest Americans pockets, and would eliminate estate tax giving heirs a hefty 1 trillion including 50 million for Mitt's heirs. The tax revenue lost from this would fall on us, the 95% which would require them to end tax breaks like home mortgage interest, child tax credit.. HR6169 increases taxes on the middle class due to cutting deductions and credits. They would have to cut government spending on college tuition by 42% and kick out 1 million students out of the program. Cuts on public schooling, food & drug safety, basic science research, law enforcement and low income(working families) housing, food stamps, unemployment, SS, medicaid, medicare & school lunch program. The measure would deny food stamps to 1.8 million Americans, leave 280,000 kids without school lunches and 300,000 poor children without health care. Good Joke huh!! haha! Suffer the children, starve the children. I'm not done yet, health care cost will increase again, insurance companies pocketing money due to the proposed voucher program not covering the rising cost. Prescription drugs cost for seniors will rise $700 more on average, giving $400 billion more back to earners making above 250,000 a year. Sending Medicare to the private market will double seniors expense to $12,500. These are proposals & passed legislation in the House. Things happening right now, under our noses, while you steadily suck in the Obama conspiracy theories. There's more, House Republicans have held more than 300 votes to destroy the EPA, roll back environmental safety, protections and open up sensitive public land to drilling. This is the most anti-environmental Congress in history. Standards signed in by Bush to slash dependence of foreign oil and save Americans 1.7 trillion at the pump would be gone. And as all this continues to occur, driving the deficit higher, they will slash more programs for the middle class, poor and elderly. 4.1 million jobs gone by 2014 under Romney/Ryan, middle class more in debt, poor not just poor anymore, but homeless and starving. The proposal increases defense spending, sure they will have more of our sons and daughters to fight the wars, since their families are struggling. Romney I though you cared about 100% of Americans?

      • 4 votes
      #1.89 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 7:01 PM EDT

      I wonder after tonight's debates how many of these right wing wackos will have to hold their nose when they vote for Romney?

      He certainly isn't a middle class republican nor has he ever been middle class, and probably has to be briefed what today's struggles are for middle class people. Since a majority of people in this country is middle class and below he by all rights should have a terrible time relating to these voters.

      • 5 votes
      #1.90 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 7:07 PM EDT

      Laker Steve

      Keep living in fantasy land, bud. Thanks for the 2 credit rating declines by the way.

      Standard & Poor’s blames the Republican owned congress for the credit downgrade...

      www.factcheck.org/2012/08/ryans-vp-spin/

      • 3 votes
      #1.91 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 7:11 PM EDT

      Romney will be well prepared for the debate, but if he go away from his practiced speeches and venture out on his own, the real foot-always-in-his-mouth Romney will appear.

      The whole world will be watching this debate and everything both men say will be checked and rechecked. Romney cannot talk to the world the same way he talks to republican voters, so I expect some major changes in the things he says. Among other things, I want to hear him explain to the American middle class how Ryan's tax plan is going to help us, so far all the other independent agencies says it won't. Romney just might do well, but since he can't flat out lie, he's going to anger a lot of die-hard republican voters that have been fed a steady diet of republican lies.

      • 2 votes
      #1.92 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 7:31 PM EDT

      Blah blah blah - neither of them are going to check mate the other .Both excellent debaters .Romney probably a master debater .(sorry-coulnt help myself )But the fact is everyone has already made up their minds . Unless one of them has a serious F*$k up, its pretty much decided.

        #1.93 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 7:37 PM EDT

        If you are going to read what I have to say please read the whole thing.

        Anyway to start off, I personally don't like either Romney or Obama. For me it's like the old saying of having to choose the lesser of two evils. To put it bluntly: while I really don't like Obama, I HATE Romney.

        Everyone is entitled to an opinion, so feel free to disagree with me on this, but I support gay rights. That is one of the biggest reasons I don't support Romney. Romney will not only severely restrict the progress of gay rights, he also aims to try and undo many of the achievements that have already been made by the movement. One example is that he wants to bring back "don't ask don't tell". The removal of that law was a big step forward for gay rights and now he wants to take all that work and progress away.

        Believe me when I say that gay rights aren't the only big issue that causing me to not support Romney. There are several others, but I don't want to rant any more than I already am. The point being I’m not deciding against him because of just one thing.

        For all of you Romney supporters out there that want to point out a bunch of problems with Obama; just know that I probably agree with you about most of them. There ARE a lot of problems with Obama, and I don't think any intelligent person could say, with a straight face, that there aren't. Among all the achievements his supporters like to point out, he has made several very large mistakes during his presidency. I really don't like him.

        However in the end we come to my big overall point from this rant; while Obama and Romney both have a lot of problems with how they plan to run the country, I really think, honestly and truly, that Romney has MORE problems. That’s just simply it. When you choose from the lesser of two evils you eventually end up choosing the one with less things bad about them. it's not a judgment saying that one is good and one is bad, they're both bad, it's just that one is LESS bad.

        P.S. I want to throw in a couple closing statements. First of all, just because I support gay rights doesn’t mean I’m gay; I’m actually straight if you were wondering. I feel that it is also important to mention I don’t consider myself republican or democrat, so I’m not biased against either candidate because of their party. I pick my choice based on who I believe to be better (or in this case less bad), not based on their party. Finally, to anyone who disagrees with what I have said feel free to voice your opinion; however please do so in a calm, collected, and intelligent response.

        • 1 vote
        #1.94 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 7:48 PM EDT

        Gee, two bought plastic men wanting the job to decide the fates of 300 million Americans.

        Do I tune in?

        Not likely, I have heard it all before in one way or another, the two party system trying to divide this once great nation. I will be voting third party because I don't trust either of them.

          #1.95 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 7:53 PM EDT

          If obummer fools the sheep into voting him in again i'll personally mail him a pair of work boots and a book on economics so he can actually do some damn work!

          • 1 vote
          #1.96 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 8:08 PM EDT

          Romney is going to rehab for being a Pathological Liar !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

          • 3 votes
          #1.97 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 8:20 PM EDT

          how would you libs feel if the obozo admin blocked the fbi to investigate a murder of someone you know in libya during a terrorist attack?

          or gave immunity during a coverup to eric holder?

          or gave half a billion to donors?

          yeah, all this on breitbart news, but hey, youd rather be ignorant

          all romney has to do is point out the liar in chiefs record. obozo is feckless. an idiot

          a bum

          the worst recovery since 1930

          couldnt get any worse, unless you reelect this idiot

          OBAMA, SAVE ME, IM TOO STUPID TO HELP MYSELF..... OOHHHH NOOOOOOOO! HELP, GIMMMEGIMMMEGIMMMEEEGIMMEEE

          IM JUST A SELFISH IDIOT THAT WANTS TO HAVE AN EASY LIFE ON SOMEONE ELSES HARD WORK

          i want food stamps

          free phone

          free medical

          free housing

          free birth control

          free money to buy beer

          free college

          free jail

          free psychiatric

          free drugs

          PAY ME TO BE A LOSER YOU FOOLS, CAUSE I DESERVE IT. I AM A LIBERAL!

          • 1 vote
          #1.98 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 8:26 PM EDT

          chuck,

          point #1 the asmbassador was given the option of remaining at the embassy, which is much more fortified, but he chose to stay go to the consulate in Benghazi. Which had already been attacked before and Stevens knew that. Pres. Bill Clinton let drop during one of his CGI q&a’s with the media that Chris Stevens chose to leave Tripoli to be closer to the people. It may have been brave or foolish depending on how you look at it. At what point does he become responsible for putting himself in harm's way?

          Pint#2 using your logic President Bush never took over or was responsible for the occupation of Iraq............ despite having a nice flight suit. President Truman can't take credit for dropping the bomb on Japan. Nixon didn't get credit for the watergate scandal.....he just decide to retire early.....yes?

          • 1 vote
          #1.99 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 8:55 PM EDT

          I actually think this is the best debate, non-liberal leaning debate I've see on MSN in 6 months! Cool!

            #1.100 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 8:57 PM EDT

            Mile-high stakes indeed.

            I hope everyone watched the debate because it was very important.

            The outcome could decide which group of millionaires and corporate servants gets to #$!@ us for the next four years.

            "...The 2012 elections are a travesty of genuine democracy, with the people given the “choice” of voting for one or another party financed by big business and committed to serving its interests at the expense of the vast majority of the population. Behind the spectacle of political mudslinging, mind-numbing attack ads and empty campaign rhetoric, class war is being prepared at home and military war is being prepared internationally, with Iran looming as the first target…"

            Democrats, Republicans plot post-election assault on Medicare, Social Security

            By Kate Randall

            3 October 2012

            Discussions are underway in the US Senate to forge a plan for sweeping cuts to social programs in the aftermath of the November 6 election. The New York Times reported Tuesday on moves by a bipartisan group of senators to come to an agreement so as to avert automatic spending cuts mandated in last year’s deal to raise the debt ceiling. That agreement was signed by President Obama on August 2, 2011.
            Under the debt ceiling deal, Congress’ failure in 2011 to produce a deficit reduction bill with at least $1.2 trillion in cuts triggered some $1 trillion in across-the-board spending cuts or “sequestrations”—including to social programs such as Medicare and to the Defense Department—to begin in January 2013 and extend over 10 years.
            These automatic cuts would coincide with the expiration in the new year of the Bush-era tax cuts as well as payroll tax reductions and federally funded extended unemployment benefits. The Obama White House and congressional Republicans agreed in December 2010 to extend the Bush tax cuts, including for the richest Americans, until the end of this year, while reducing the payroll tax and extending jobless benefits for the same period.
            The combination of these expirations and the mandated deficit reduction measures has been called a “fiscal cliff” that threatens to plunge the economy into a deeper slump.
            The “fiscal cliff” is being seized upon by the White House and both big business parties as a pretext to implement austerity measures of historic proportions. Cuts targeting Medicare and Medicaid, Social Security, public education, food stamps and other vital social programs will mean impoverishment and suffering for millions of working class families…

            http://www.wsws.org/articles/2012/oct2012/cuts-o03.shtml

              #1.101 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 10:21 PM EDT

              from marklepew:

              "no props for the President getting Bin Ladin..."

              right , not much , but I do give him credit for hanging the doctor that made it happen out to dry , hope you don't ever have to help our country out under this guy , might end up like Hoffa

              • 2 votes
              #1.102 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 11:05 PM EDT
              Reply
              Comment author avatarThomas LivesayExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

              My question would be:

              Mitt are you a Christian?

              Obama Biden 2012

              • 36 votes
              #2 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 1:37 PM EDT

              Thomas, are you a bigot?

              • 27 votes
              #2.1 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 1:39 PM EDT
              Comment author avatarDave the doubterExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

              @Thomas Livesay

              Answer, Yes I am a Christian, 0bama is a Muslim.

              • 20 votes
              #2.2 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 1:44 PM EDT
              Comment author avatarED-2874315Expand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

              Mr Romney, exactly how does your magic underwear work?

              • 34 votes
              #2.3 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 1:48 PM EDT

              No, I'm a Registered Democrat voting for Obama and tired of hearing you Freakin Right Wingers Hiding behind your interpretation of the Bible and throwing out the Obama is not one of us crap.

              Who is Mitt Romney? Tell the Truth! Is he one of you??

              Obama Biden 2012

              • 61 votes
              #2.4 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 1:48 PM EDT

              Obama are you a communist?

              • 25 votes
              #2.5 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 1:50 PM EDT

              Dave (#2.2), that would be wrong on both counts.

              • 12 votes
              #2.6 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 1:50 PM EDT
              Comment author avatarThomas LivesayExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

              ED

              Study up dumbass! Morman does not equal Christian.

              Obama Biden 2012

              • 22 votes
              #2.7 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 1:51 PM EDT
              Comment author avatarCaesar Augustus-Expand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

              alan_static

              Obama are you a communist?

              do bears crap in the woods?

              • 24 votes
              #2.8 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 1:55 PM EDT

              C'mon, CA- everybody likes a little ass, no one likes a smartass.

              Our president is not a communist.

              And you know it.

              Sheesh.

              • 35 votes
              #2.9 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 1:56 PM EDT

              C'mon DBO... everybody prefers a smartass to a dumbass any day! (wink wink)

              :O)

              • 12 votes
              #2.10 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 2:02 PM EDT

              Y' got me, SOTB. Y' got me f'sure.

              • 5 votes
              #2.11 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 2:04 PM EDT

              I wonder why the Communist party of the USA endorses him for president?

              • 10 votes
              #2.12 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 2:12 PM EDT

              Tonight listen for:

              Bush Administration or the last administration

              No drinking games please, you don't want to lose your job Thursday!!

              • 8 votes
              #2.13 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 2:23 PM EDT

              SOTB, DBO has recently joined the CA is a re-reg cult. im waiting for the banning to come. alas tyler and sally both know i am far from a re/multi reg. oh well. DBO seems to have snide little remarks for things then has the noirve to cast stones from a glass house. Too funny.

              • 5 votes
              #2.14 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 2:30 PM EDT

              ED

              Study up dumbass! Morman does not equal Christian.

              If so than why is the official name of the "Mormon Church" The Church of Jesus Crist of Latter Day Saints?

              Study up and you might learn something, pal.

              Oh, and I am not voting for Romney. Attacking one's reliion is ridiculous.

              • 11 votes
              #2.15 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 2:31 PM EDT

              Mr Obama, if a right wingnut speaks in the woods, and there is no one around to hear it, is he still wrong?

              • 12 votes
              #2.16 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 2:36 PM EDT

              Mr. Romney - Please elegantly explain your comments on the 47%?

              • 31 votes
              #2.17 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 2:37 PM EDT

              Eric

              After that video came out, the news outlets checked to see if 47% was an accurate figure for those Americans that dont pay taxes. The news outlets reported 47% is an accurate figure for those who dont pay taxes. The Democrats tried to use their class warfare tactic and it DIDN'T work.

              • 9 votes
              #2.18 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 2:55 PM EDT

              Mr Hussein - Please explain without a tele-promter what you have done positive in 4 years!

              I can hear the crickets already.....AHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

              Romney/Ryan2012 to keep America from being Greece!

              • 13 votes
              #2.19 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 2:58 PM EDT

              Willard Romney will not be elected President. He is too much of a Nervous Nelly. That Nervous Nelly laugh comes out especially when someone gets in his face. So, can you image what will happen when the President gets into his face during the debates.

              Just look video of when he is asked tough questions. He falls apart, such as, "oh, oh, if, I did, I didn't, go vote for someone else, leave me alone, I didn't say that, help, corporations are people to, I know business, I fire people, help. " Ronald Reagan, help."

              The debates between the President and Nervous Nelly Romney should be fun to watch. I bet you $10,000.00 that corporations are people too.

              • 12 votes
              #2.20 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 3:05 PM EDT

              Magic is not real no matter which religion says it is.

              Religion is the weaponization of faith.

              Perhaps Mitt will need magic Depends tonight.

              • 3 votes
              #2.21 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 3:08 PM EDT

              Man of Steel,

              The 47% number is accurate. What he said about them is not. Romney said that those people will "vote for Obama no matter what". The fact is that 36% of Americans who pay no federal taxes vote Republican (or at least they did before the comment). He also said that those who don't pay federal tax are "dependent on the Government". That's not true, either. Most are underpaid workers who don't make enough to pay taxes, but still support their family on what they make.

              • 12 votes
              #2.22 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 3:10 PM EDT

              Funny how bigotry is praised as long as it pulls the party line... one both sides of the aisle.

              • 2 votes
              #2.23 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 3:16 PM EDT

              Mr. Romney: Why did the party you are now the head of block cost-of-living increases for payments to widows of fallen military service people until that "commie-liberal-sympathizer" Rachel Maddow made a big fuss about it?

              • 6 votes
              #2.24 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 3:25 PM EDT

              Thomas Livesay says

              ED

              Study up dumbass! Morman does not equal Christian.

              Yet another open and fair minded liberal. Free speech unless it interferes with your narrow perspective, eh Tom? And maybe you ought to do some research before calling somebody that disagrees with you a childish name. Mormons are Christians.

              • 5 votes
              #2.25 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 3:26 PM EDT

              Mr. obama- please explain the 57 states comment...................

              And you say you are American..............

              have illegal relatives in the country- please explain why they have not filled out the needed paperwork.

              Shovel ready jobs............ then you say there are no shovel ready jobs.......... where did the money go?

              Solandra $500 million............... any investigation going on????????????

              Fast & Furious............working good at killing American border patrol...........?

              Have you ever run a business or a State? and ran it within budget?

              No, oh- what are your qualifications outside of "community organizer"???????

              Lots of questions to ask

              Who wants four more years of this crap??????????? liberals do... it is a huge $hit sandwich and they love to take a bite......

              • 14 votes
              #2.26 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 3:27 PM EDT

              Man of Steel - maybe you should actually UNDERSTAND who the 47% are:

              From the LA Times:

              So let's examine Romney's numbers and their significance.

              The key number he cited is that 47% of Americans "pay no income tax." The statistic is true as far as it goes, but it doesn't come close to reaching the finish line. In fact, its shock value derives from the legerdemain of focusing solely on the federal income tax. This misleads Romney and his audience into thinking that the group in question is mostly people on a lifelong dole.

              The truth is that the vast majority are people who are working or who have worked in the past. Their ranks include millions of Americans who are now retired, living on Social Security and Medicare benefits they paid for throughout their working lives. Many others are those who were booted into culverts by the economic crisis and are today struggling to get back on the road.

              The 47% statistic comes from the Tax Policy Center, a project of the Urban Institute and Brookings Institution, which crunched IRS data to get it. TPC's actual finding is that 46.4% of "tax units" — that's IRS filers and non-filers combined — will have zero or negative U.S. income tax liability for 2011. (Romney would have been better advised to say 47% aren't paying income taxes now, rather than that 47% "don't pay taxes," as if that's a permanent condition.)

              The worst flaw of this figure is that it ignores the burden of other federal taxes shouldered by many in the zero-income-tax group.

              Principally, these are payroll taxes, which are levied this year on the first $110,100 of wage income for Social Security and all wage income for Medicare. Indeed, four-fifths of all taxpayers pay more in payroll taxes than federal income taxes as a percentage of income. The crossover point is about $100,000 in wage income. (By definition, the statistic counts the employer's share of payroll taxes as a burden on the worker.)

              What this means is that a large share of all households paying no income tax are working households with substantial payroll tax bills. They're the antithesis of people who can't be convinced to "take personal responsibility" for their lives.

              Another point overlooked in Romney's presentation is that many people who owe no income tax — as many as 15 million households or individuals — are victims of the economic crash. They fall into that category because they've lost their jobs or their income has fallen below taxable levels.

              So all of these people pay some taxes and Mitt has again made himself look even more foolish - and no one thought that was possible!

              Obama/Biden 2012

              • 11 votes
              #2.27 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 3:28 PM EDT

              Boxers or briefs?

              • 4 votes
              #2.28 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 3:38 PM EDT

              Romney's debate speech……….

              Now we don't have a clue as to how to run this country, but
              I'm a rich white man and therefore you should want me as your President.

              I am sure of a few things... we want to force women to have
              babies by rapist and ancestrial fathers.

              We want to get rid of Medicare, give taxes to the Rich and
              who gives a sh*t about the other 47% percent of you lazy bums.

              "So vote Republican because as you can see, we truly
              care about the 100%"

              • 4 votes
              #2.29 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 3:54 PM EDT

              My question to Romney.....

              Why the hell are you running for President?

              • 12 votes
              #2.30 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 3:55 PM EDT

              Every now and again I get worried that Obama won't get reelected and we'll go back to the trickle-down economics that ran our economy off the cliff, and then I read posts like the one written by DaveM and feel better. I mean, you guys got nothing, do you? 57 states? You know how many people that will convince of anything? Illegal relatives? Community organizer?

              Thanks, man, I needed the reminder.

              • 7 votes
              #2.31 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 3:59 PM EDT

              Depends!

              • 1 vote
              #2.32 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 4:02 PM EDT

              True News of the day.. ..... ... More brave Americans die under the inept obama( Ambassador Stevens& crew, another dead soldier from Afghanistan)

              Gov. Brewer said..

              "What happens next has become all-too-familiar in Arizona: Flags will be lowered in honor of the slain agent. Elected officials will vow to find those responsible. Arizonans, and Americans will grieve – and they should.

              "But this ought not only be a day of tears," Brewer added. "There should be anger, too. Righteous anger – at the kind of evil that causes sorrow this deep, and at the federal failure and political stalemate that has left our border unsecured and our Border Patrol in harm's way.

              "Four fallen agents in less than two years is the result."

              Brewer then attacked the Obama White House for an observation it made in 2011 about security at the border.

              "It has been 558 days since the Obama administration declared the security of the U.S.-Mexico border 'better now than it has ever been.' I'll remember that statement today."

              • 3 votes
              #2.33 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 4:05 PM EDT

              My Question would be: What happened to George W Bush? Why hasn't he made a sales pitch for you this year? Birds of a feather? Same old rich white guys lying to the masses.

              • 5 votes
              #2.34 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 4:09 PM EDT

              If romney, ryan and akin walk like the GOP, talk like the GOP and smell like the GOP, then they're STILL the GOP!!

              http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/akin-2008-terrorist-doctors-abortions-women-not-actually-151341887--election.html

              • 2 votes
              #2.35 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 4:13 PM EDT

              Snakebone-

              Obama has a record in office- facts are there- just not reported as widely as any GOP gaffe. Media runs protection for Obama as he cannot run on his record.

              Plain and simple Obama sucks and so does Romney.

              I don't think the US can take 4 years of blaming, race baiting, and quite frankly doing nothing.

              What really ran the economy off the cliff is OVERSPENDING, bloated budgets(of which two never were ratified) and borrowing from my SS acount. The government is out of control R's & D's.

              ANYONE- even you I would rather have in the White House because these guys are in it for themselves and their benefactors.

              The USA is going down the tubes, socially, educationally, and economically.

              But many won't realize until the media says so................ and that day is coming......... soon at this rate.

              So don't feel better that Obama might get back in... be scared.

              • 3 votes
              #2.36 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 4:18 PM EDT

              DaveM-877764

              Snakebone-

              Obama has a record in office- facts are there-

              Yeah, let's take a look at his fine record....and you're right the facts are there!

              *Amnesty to millions of illegal lawbreakers
              *Never under 8% (10% more accurate figure) unemployment
              *7 TRILLION debt added.....more than all his predecessors COMBINED!
              *23 million under or unemployed
              *stagnant economy
              *foreclosures still spiraling out of control
              *GM bailout that will cost taxpayers BILLIONS (WSJ)
              *Solyndra
              *No job creation
              *Outsourcing more than ever
              *Biden admitting "The middle class has been buried for the last 4 years"
              *2 credit rating declines!!!

              Yep.....awesome record!!!

              • 3 votes
              #2.37 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 4:51 PM EDT

              Obama debate speech

              Moderator: How do we balance the budget and how high is the debt?

              Obama: I don't know how high it is but, Tax the rich!

              Moderator: What about the high Unemployment above 8.1%?

              Obama: Tax the rich! and Bush

              Moderator: What would you do with another four years in Office?

              Obama: Tax the rich!

              Moderator: So what is your foreign policy with all the unrest in the Middle East and Americans dying and us turning our back on Israel and our other Allies?

              Obama: To hell with the Jews, who are our allies? Tax the rich!!

              Moderator: What about the Middle Class?

              Obama: I already buried, them along with Biden in the last four years.

              • 2 votes
              #2.38 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 5:11 PM EDT

              Gov. Romney.

              Could you explain how Pres. Obama eliminated the work requirement on welfare as you claim in your ad when all the fact checkers say the job placement rate needed to be 20% higher for changes to become permanent?

              • 2 votes
              #2.39 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 5:15 PM EDT

              Latter Day Saints? part is the part to pay attention to. They both do not recognize each others Baptism's and Baptism is the foundation of each. Mormons also believe in layers or levels of heaven and hell. Christians don't. The addition to calling themselves the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter day saints. Is an attempt to hide the truth of their beliefs. Yes they have the right to believe what they do. But when you run for PUBLIC office the cult can be and should be called out for what it is. A CULT

              Give them the BREAD then Give them the MEAT basically tell them what they want to hear. The soft nice fluffy stuff. Then lay down the HAMMER. Read up on it talk to both Current and EX MORMONS. then decide

              • 2 votes
              #2.40 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 5:21 PM EDT

              Laker Steve:

              Yes, let's look at the negatives you've found in Obama's record:

              UE over 8%, but since it started over 10%, that's an improvement. UE has gone steadily down for over two years straight.

              Less than $1 trillion added to the debt because of Obama's policies, and that due to shrink over time as the investments pay off. Lowest amount added to the deficit since Clinton, lower than Reagan and both Bushes.

              Foreclosures no longer spiraling out of control, actually. Housing has stabilized and is showing signs of coming back. Home prices rising consistently for the first time since the Bush recession.

              GM bailout that saved over 1 million jobs, much of which has already been paid back, and will cost us nothing over the long term.

              5 million private sector jobs created over the last 30 months.

              Obama has proposed that we give tax breaks to American companies which actually create American jobs, opposed by the republicans who advocate giving tax breaks to American companies and then hoping they will use it to create American jobs (even though they have no history of doing so). The issue is still being fought in Washington, but I'll definitely take the Obama position on this one, hope you would too.

              One credit rating decline, actually, due to (as S&P reported) their disbelief that the Congress is prepared to deal with the issue. That came after republicans got (as Boener said) 95% of what they wanted, and still voted it down. This is why we call it the 'tea party downgrade'. Yes, I blame the republicans in Congress for this one, as should you. When you can't take yes for an answer, what other option is there?

              Your problem with alternative energy, the status of undocumented workers and Joe Biden are just ideological problems, not real ones, so whatever.

              DaveM: sorry you feel that way. I've not been overly optimistic myself; since the public seems free to toss around words like 'communist' and 'antiAmerican' like candy, it seems a lot of people have gone off the deep end. I think a stronger middle class will help your mental state a bit, so for your sake I think Obama is the better (if not best) choice.

              • 4 votes
              #2.41 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 5:21 PM EDT

              My question:

              What happened to those 30,000 drones?

              Answer: Check outside your window sometime & maybe you'll see one- muhahaha!

                #2.42 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 5:23 PM EDT

                Which Mitt Romney will show up for the debate??

                This Mitt Romney ---- "The Arizona immigration policy is a good model" – Mitt Romney.

                Or this Mitt Romney ---"I didn't really support the Arizona immigration policy" – Mitt Romney.

                This Mitt Romney ---- “The Massachusetts healthcare plan should be a model for the nation” – Mitt Romney.

                Or this Mitt Romney ---- “Healthcare reform should be left to the states” – Mitt Romney.

                This Mitt Romney ---- "Let Detroit go bankrupt" -Mitt Romney.

                Or this Mitt Romney ---- "I'll take a lot of credit for saving the auto industry" -Mitt Romney.

                This Mitt Romney ---- “I believe Roe v Wade has gone too far.” – Mitt Romney.

                Or this Mitt Romney ----- “Roe v Wade has been the law for 20 years we should sustain and support it.”– Mitt Romney.

                This Mitt Romney ---- “I respect and will protect a woman’s right to choose.” – Mitt Romney.

                Or this Mitt Romney ----- “I never really called myself pro-choice.” – Mitt Romney.

                This Mitt Romney ----- “It was not my desire to go off and serve in Vietnam.” – Mitt Romney.

                Or this Mitt Romney ----- “I longed in many respects to actually be in Vietnam and represent our country there.” – Mitt Romney.

                This Mitt Romney ----- “I’m not trying to return to Reagan-Bush.” – Mitt Romney.

                Or this Mitt Romney ----- “Ronald Reagan is… my hero.” – Mitt Romney.

                This Mitt Romney ----- “I think the minimum wage ought to keep pace with inflation.” – Mitt Romney.

                Or this Mitt Romney ----- "There’s no question raising the minimum wage excessively causes a loss of jobs.”– Mitt Romney.

                This Mitt Romney ----- “I saw my father march with Martin Luther King.” – Mitt Romney.

                Or this Mitt Romney ----- “I did not see it with my own eyes.” – Mitt Romney.

                This Mitt Romney ----- “I would like to have campaign spending limits.” – Mitt Romney.

                Or this Mitt Romney ----- “The American people should be free to advocate for their candidates without burdensome limitations.” – Mitt Romney.

                This Mitt Romney ----- “I supported the assault weapon ban.” – Mitt Romney

                Or this Mitt Romney ----- "I don’t support any gun control legislation.” – Mitt Romney.

                This Mitt Romney ----- “The stimulus that was passed in early 2009 will accelerate the recovery…” –Mitt Romney.

                Or this Mitt Romney --- “The stimulus passed in early 2009 has been a failure.” – Mitt Romney.

                • 6 votes
                #2.43 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 5:37 PM EDT

                Yeah, it might be a little bit hard for Obama to debate a guy who has taken both sides of just about every position there is.

                • 1 vote
                #2.44 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 5:55 PM EDT

                They said the same things about John Kennedy being a Catholic

                  #2.45 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 6:06 PM EDT

                  How can this race have Obama ahead? Where are they taking the polls, the inner city areas of each state? What the hell are people thinking? Romney should be up at least by 75% to Obama's 25%. What is it the people like about Obama's record anyway?...

                  Over 8% unemployment for a record 43 months in a row?

                  Over $16 trillion in debt and counting? He increased it five trillion rather than reduce it five trillion as promised.

                  Over 14% unemployment for blacks?

                  Anemic economic growth?

                  No budget for the past three years as required by the Constitution?

                  A healthcare plan that will cost over three times what they said it would, was opposed by over 60
                  % of the population, sucks $700,000,000 out of Medicare to help pay for it, and wasn't even read by any member of Congress that voted for it? How could you vote for a bill you haven't even read?

                  Solyndra FAIL and cover-up (or at least no due diligence) that cost taxpayers over half a billion dollars?

                  FAILURE to protect our embassy in Libya resulting in the deaths of four Americans, and the cover-up afterward.

                  Fast and Furious FAILURE, resulting in the death of a boarder control officer and the cover-up by the Obama administration. Holder held in contempt of Congress.

                  This presidency is a failure and it is time for Americans to realize it and vote for a man that is highly qualified to lead us out of it, Mitt Romney.

                    #2.46 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 6:07 PM EDT

                    "How can this race have Obama ahead?"

                    Easy --- Mitt Romney is a lousy candidate with no ideas on how to fix anything other than the failed policies of the past, he's chosen a lousy running-mate and both of them are running a lousy campaign. Remember -- Romney won the Republican nomination by default. He was the 2nd or 3rd or 4th choice of most Republicans. When his own people don't like him all that well, how can they expect independents and Democrats to like him?

                      #2.47 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 6:42 PM EDT

                      Just thinking about all the cheap shots that are going to be taken against both sides, rather than focusing on how to improve on the actual issues makes me nauseated. It's almost too painful to sit through the entire debate, probably easier to wait for the highlights the following day, but even then it is difficult to find an unbiased source.

                      • 1 vote
                      #2.48 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 7:09 PM EDT

                      Charlie-1915998

                      Which Mitt Romney will show up for the debate??

                      Well, apparently one you cut and pasted from here:

                      http "colon" "slash-slash" www "dot" democraticunderground "dot" com "slash" 125156156

                      ***

                      Your web search find is remarkable, but "Democratic Underground Dot Com" is a true jem.

                        #2.49 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 7:56 PM EDT

                        Republicans fear the worst with Romney in to-nights debate !!!!!!!!!!

                        • 1 vote
                        #2.50 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 8:24 PM EDT
                        Reply

                        Yawn...I'll bet the debate isn't nearly as interesting as all the ignorant statements being made ABOUT the debate. I"ll be glad when it's all over the President can get back to business.

                        Obama/Biden 2012

                        • 47 votes
                        #3 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 1:38 PM EDT

                        Do you mean the business of driving business away from our country?

                        • 20 votes
                        #3.1 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 1:41 PM EDT

                        Aw, elliot posts in big bold print hoping to give credence to his sputtering.

                        • 41 votes
                        #3.2 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 1:45 PM EDT

                        Elliot is point out things that really matter unlike Obozo supporters.

                        • 13 votes
                        #3.3 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 1:54 PM EDT
                        LooLoo.serDeleted
                        Comment author avatarskip Nicholson, Oklahoma CityExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

                        You are a loser aren't you? What an appropriate blog moniker. Congratulations on your self-awareness.

                        Obama/Biden 2012

                        • 30 votes
                        #3.5 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 2:12 PM EDT

                        C'mon Skip... you can't adequately rebut so you launch personal attacks?

                        Oh yeah... that is the liberal standard M-O.

                        :O)

                        • 14 votes
                        #3.6 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 2:19 PM EDT

                        Mr. Romney - what do you think about the GOP blocking Obama's jobs bill and the jobs for veterans bill?

                        • 31 votes
                        #3.7 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 2:38 PM EDT

                        Good question, Eric!

                        • 9 votes
                        #3.8 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 2:52 PM EDT

                        Eric:

                        The response is: According to PAYGO it has to be paid for without borrowed funds. the democrats wanted the law, now they have to live with it.

                        • 9 votes
                        #3.9 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 2:56 PM EDT

                        Yes, we will also be glad when the election is over and the President can join those of us who are unemployed.

                        • 8 votes
                        #3.10 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 3:01 PM EDT
                        • 3 votes
                        #3.11 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 3:01 PM EDT

                        "get back to business"

                        yeah... you know, golf.

                        • 4 votes
                        #3.12 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 3:06 PM EDT

                        Mr obama, why has your party prevented your budget proposal from being presented in the senate every year you presented it to them?

                        • 5 votes
                        #3.13 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 3:21 PM EDT

                        Amen to that!

                        • 2 votes
                        #3.14 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 4:00 PM EDT

                        elliot & Allen... you got that right!!??

                        The whiner , cry baby, blame someone else, progressive-Marxist really can not defend their idiot leader....SO they use smoke& mirrors of name calling and twist the issue into something they is intelligent...it really just shows their ignorance!! OMG===ObamaMustGo!!!!

                        • 4 votes
                        #3.15 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 4:11 PM EDT

                        Elliot

                        Are you talking about all those jobs Romney exported to China.

                        As I recall from the 47% video, he said he toured a factory there where all the girls, who lived 12 to a room in the worker dormitory, were so happy. As he was leaving he asked his guide "what are those guard towers and fence around the factory and dormitories for?" The guide answered "to keep all those people who want these jobs out. Romney went on to tell the group in Boca Raton how great those Chinese factories were. "If only, we could do that here in America?"

                        Young girls, 12 to a room, working long hours away from their families. How many would just get homesick and want to go home? Mitt Romney drank the kool aid the Chinese gave him.

                        The image of Mitt Romney promoting Chinese factories to a bunch of millionaires in Boca Raton in private while publicly saying he wants to create good American jobs makes me wonder, who's he lying to.

                        • 3 votes
                        #3.16 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 5:27 PM EDT

                        Yeah, I was fascinated to hear that he bought that line from the Chinese as well. I guess some people believe what they want to believe.

                        • 1 vote
                        #3.17 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 5:57 PM EDT

                        Obama get back to business??? What have YOU been smoking? Barry has been stumping for re-election for the past FOUR YEARS

                          #3.18 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 6:07 PM EDT

                          Right, Obama/Biden four more MONTHS! :-)

                            #3.19 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 6:08 PM EDT
                            Reply

                            "President Obama, what do you have to say about the ECONOMY, UNEMPLOYMENT, WELFARE, FOOD STAMPS, JOB CREATION, ILLEGALS & the 7 TRILLION DEBT YOU ADDED?"

                            "Bush did it!! Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!"

                            • 22 votes
                            #4 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 1:42 PM EDT

                            Laker, why do you think that's so funny? Bush DID crash a once robust economy.

                            • 38 votes
                            #4.1 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 1:46 PM EDT

                            drive-by-observer

                            Laker, why do you think that's so funny? Bush DID crash a once robust economy.

                            Nice try. The policies started under Clinton, then the 2007 introduction of a Democratic House & Senate finished off what was once a robust economy.

                            Get your facts straight.

                            • 20 votes
                            #4.2 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 1:52 PM EDT

                            Steve apparently thinks Bush was never President. And that somehow A Democratic House of Representatives passed a law that the GOP Senate passed, and that Bush signed, and THAT crashed the economy.

                            Not the unregulated derivatives trading ... a Dem House that passed no new laws did it.

                            • 18 votes
                            #4.3 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 1:57 PM EDT

                            No mention of fillibuster-proff senates, Laker?

                            None??

                            • 17 votes
                            #4.4 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 1:59 PM EDT

                            drive-by-observer, you might want to see what the Washington Post fact checker has to say: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/obamas-claim-that-the-bush-tax-cuts-led-to-the-economic-crisis/2012/09/30/06e8f578-0a6e-11e2-afff-d6c7f20a83bf_blog.html

                            drive by and lefties still talking about Obama not having a filibuster proof Senate. Maybe you can tell me if Clinton, Bush I, Bush II or Reagan had a filibuster proof Congress? I don't believe so, Obama did for a few months. The point is one should not have to count on a filibuster proof Congress to do the job of President. It's called LEADERSHIP to bring people together, something Obama lacks.

                            • 18 votes
                            #4.5 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 1:59 PM EDT

                            " fillibuster-proff senates,"

                            Ooops- they didn't have 'keyboarding skills' classes when I was a kid.....

                            • 4 votes
                            #4.6 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 2:00 PM EDT

                            Steve also doesn't mention the two unfunded wars and massive tax cuts courtesy of W.

                            • 20 votes
                            #4.7 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 2:03 PM EDT

                            Bush tax cuts LED to or CONTRIBUTED to? Big difference.

                            The economic crises started way back when the corporations figgured out how cheap labor is overseas.

                            • 14 votes
                            #4.8 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 2:03 PM EDT

                            fillibuster proof? really?

                            DBO... no mention of 'changing the way Washington works'?

                            Wasn't your boy supposed to reach across the isle and change the way things were done?

                            Did he succeed at that? (nuff said - hopey changey my ass!)

                            :O)

                            • 11 votes
                            #4.9 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 2:06 PM EDT

                            CO:

                            He went through the congress. they voted, even the democrats.

                            • 4 votes
                            #4.10 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 2:08 PM EDT
                            LooLoo.serDeleted

                            Chef -- My point is that Steve's statement, "...the 7 trillion debt you (meaning Obama) added..." is inaccurate. Agree?

                            • 6 votes
                            #4.12 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 2:18 PM EDT

                            "Deficits don't matter"

                            - Every liberal quoting Dick Cheney

                            But yeah, I would say Steve's numbers are a bit off.

                            • 4 votes
                            #4.13 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 2:22 PM EDT

                            Chef -- the ability to concede on even a little point is a sign of intelligence. Good job. I'm voting for your comment for that reason alone.

                            Too bad we can't see more of that from the majority in the House.

                            • 2 votes
                            #4.14 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 2:33 PM EDT

                            That's because they're too busy waiting for the other side to be for something so they can automatically be against it. I think they all learn that in the orientation as freshman representatives.

                              #4.15 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 2:44 PM EDT

                              I agree with you chef. The word compromise is a dirty word in Washington. We didn't get the Change we were promised and we don't need 4 more years of misery. Just vote them all out in November. I hope next election we get a candidate that has a military background that has travelled the world and can help us get back to being a leader like Colin Powell. The service men and women who put their life on the line deserve every benefit America can bestow on them not cutting their benefits like the President has promised for veterans receiving Tricare for Life and Tricare copays.

                              • 1 vote
                              #4.17 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 3:23 PM EDT

                              COinFL also doesn't mention the two continued "unfunded" wars and the tax cuts (contiuation of Bush cuts and the "tax holiday") courtesy of obummer.

                              The real question is how come the libbies keep calling the wars "unfunded"? Is the whole DoD on a volunteer basis? Since they are being paid for personnel and material, who is funding it?

                              The more appropriate term might be unbudgeted. But of course the libbies wouldn't want to use the term "unbeudgeted" because obummer has not had a budget approved since he has been in office. His own party won't even bring it to the floor.

                              • 2 votes
                              #4.18 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 3:29 PM EDT

                              So, if the republican party gets their way, women will no longer have control over their bodies and the one percent will dictate to the American public what they can or cannot do.

                              This sounds to me like communist rule where the one percent gets richer while the rest have to pay the way for them.

                              So get real and quit spreading the crap that Obamas a Muslim and a communist. I am sure that because you heard it on FOX that it must be true...

                              The bottom line is that if Romney is elected we are in for a long hard four years of war and pet projects to satisfy the people that put him there.

                              If Romney gets his way and he eliminates all of the social programs that the republicans and the tea party wants to eliminate we will have the return of the bread lines and allot more crime due to the fact that most of the people that depend on those programs have no other choices.

                              I will agree that some of the people on some social programs do abuse them, but it is a small amount compared to those that have no other choices.

                              GET OUT AND VOTE OBAMA

                              • 8 votes
                              #4.19 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 3:38 PM EDT

                              I like how you guys blame Obama for the lack of compromise in Washington. Hmm... I seem to recall Obama insisting things the Republicans used to LOVE, and even wrote/sponsored legislation for in the past, into HIS plans. Things like insurance mandates, cap and trade, etc. Suddently, now that Obama says, "OK, we'll try that," it's the spawn of Stalinist Nazi Satan himself. WTF? Oh, but yeah, Obama's obviously the divisionist here. Never mind Mitch McConnell declaring job 1 is to block everything so Obama fails, even if it makes the country suffer.

                              • 11 votes
                              #4.20 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 3:42 PM EDT

                              COinFL

                              Steve also doesn't mention the two unfunded wars and massive tax cuts courtesy of W.

                              You mean the wars that Congress approved, Democrats included. Love how you throw it on Bush.

                              Also, you mean those tax cuts the Democrats could have easily removed in 2009 & 2010 when they had 100% of Washington, instead they EXTENDED them??? THOSE tax cuts???

                              • 4 votes
                              #4.21 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 4:43 PM EDT

                              I'll take Bush over Barry ANY DAY

                                #4.22 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 6:08 PM EDT

                                Laker Steve, we never had a filibuster proof Senate nor did we have Senate Super majority at any time.

                                Apparently, there is an epidemic of selective amnesia concerning the 2009 and
                                2010 Senate "Super Majority".

                                For those who persist in the Senate Super majority lie of
                                the 111th Congress and the continuing obstruction of the 112th Congress. So,how
                                did anything get passed?( ie. Healthcare Reform, unemployment benefit
                                extensions, payroll tax cuts) Ah, that dirty word -compromise. Even then and
                                today, every bill needed votes from the Independents, Blue dog Dems and
                                Republicans.

                                No matter how many times you repeat that Super Majority lie it is still a
                                lie. Did everyone forget the Blue Dog Dems (ie. Evan Bayh, and others?) In fact,
                                they never had a Democratic super majority because of Leiberman(I. Conn), just
                                another pissed off Independent that consistently votes with the Republicans even
                                though he will caucus with the Dems. He backed McCain, didn't he?

                                There was never a "Senate Super Majority" for any length of
                                time. The GOP/TP has set a historical record for the number of filibusters in
                                this administration and it still continues to obstruct any bills to move us
                                forward.

                                The Senate Super majority myth

                                January 3, 2009 - 111th Congress sworn in. 55 Democrats, 41 Republicans, 2
                                Independents, 2 vacant.

                                January 15, 2009 - Roland Burris sworn in to Barack Obama's seat. 56
                                Democrats, 41 Republicans, 2 Independents, 2 vacant.

                                April 30, 2009 – Arlen Specter changes parties. 57 Democrats, 40 Republicans,
                                2 Independents, 1 vacant.

                                July 7, 2009 – Al Franken seated. 58 Democrats, 40 Republicans, 2
                                Independents.

                                THIS IS THE FIRST TIME THE DEMOCRATS HAD A SHOT AT
                                A

                                60-VOTE MAJORITY AND STILL NEEDED BOTH
                                INDEPENDENTS
                                .

                                August 25, 2009 – Teddy Kennedy dies. Kennedy had missed 97% of the votes in
                                2009 and over 90% in the last half of 2008. 57 Democrats, 40 Republicans, 2
                                Independents, 1 vacant.

                                September 25, 2009 – Paul Kirk appointed to Teddy Kennedy's seat. 58
                                Democrats, 40 Republicans, 2 Independents.

                                THIS IS THE SECOND TIME THE DEMOCRATS HAD A SHOT AT A 60-VOTE
                                MAJORITY AND STILL NEEDED THE INDEPENDENTS.

                                February 4, 2010 – Scott Brown sworn in to replace Paul Kirk. 57 Democrats,
                                41 Republicans, 2 Independents.

                                June 28, 2010 – Robert Byrd dies. Byrd had missed over 90% of the votes in
                                2010 and almost 50% in 2009 due to illness. 56 Democrats, 41 Republicans, 2
                                Independents, 1 vacant.

                                November 29, 2010 - Mark Kirk sworn in to replace Roland Burris. 56
                                Democrats, 42 Republicans, 2 Independents.

                                Super-majority? It never really existed because
                                during

                                two periods when Teddy Kennedy and/or Robert Byrd
                                were unable to vote they still needed
                                to get the votes of every
                                Democrat plus BOTH independents.

                                FACT: The "Democrat supermajority" is a G.O.P. lie.

                                FACT: The GOP used every roadblock, filibuster, and secret hold they could
                                think of so that EVERY bill had to have a 60-vote margin to pass.

                                • 3 votes
                                #4.23 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 6:09 PM EDT

                                Mr Romney:

                                How can you cut taxes, increase military spending all while promising you will not cut Social Security, Medicare, Medicate, veterans' benefits and education and cut the deficit at the same time?

                                • 2 votes
                                #4.24 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 6:53 PM EDT

                                I have made this point and fact so many times but to the dingbats who refuse to listen to the TRUTH you might as well be talking to a WALL because it does'nt matter. Facts are pesky things to the RW haters of truth who would rather listen to the crap sppon fed to them from propaganda toilets of faux noise, Rush and the rest of their garbage "sources". Hate sells and ignorance rules supreme with those who choose to screw themselves and everyone else in this country then accept the truth and go FORWARD for the sake of "all" so they can cling to their ignorance, racism, religious extremism, selfishness and stupidity.
                                I do not understand for the life of me why such hate has to exist among us, even for other Americans that work and want to make a living for the better of all if SOME would be willing to give a little who have so darn much they'll never miss it but this is what greed does and it is SICK while on the other end, there are those that are sitting in squalor and would benefit greatly by changing their attitude but refuse to and keep voting against THIER OWN self interests no matter what because of blind ignorance and being locked in an idea that things must remain the same regardless of how our world is and the need to move on for the sake of practicality and as we look around us, saving ourselves.

                                • 2 votes
                                #4.25 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 7:01 PM EDT

                                Not doing anything about SS, MediMedi, VA benefits will lead to bankrupcy and ruin. Owebama has not done anything to prevent insolvency of all the entitlements. He ( Obama) has yet to come up with a plan or even a budget. Only a strong fiscal conservative like Romney can SAVE Social security, medicare & medicaid.

                                  #4.26 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 7:07 PM EDT

                                  Obama and the Democrats in Congress don't care about trying to save Social Security since it isn't due to go broke until about 2033. They just want to kick the can down the road and demagogue the Republicans for trying to solve the Social Security problem and save it for future beneficiaries.

                                    #4.27 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 7:44 PM EDT
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                                    my question is why are both the democratic and republican parties in the debate, but no one else, like Gary Johnson from the libertarian party can join the debate

                                    • 11 votes
                                    Reply#5 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 1:42 PM EDT

                                    relevance

                                    • 14 votes
                                    #5.1 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 1:51 PM EDT

                                    It is because the Republicans and the Democrats are warring factions of the same party. They are the party for keeping the powerful in power.

                                    • 3 votes
                                    #5.2 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 1:51 PM EDT

                                    This "debate" is a long winded commercial for the dems and repubs. I'll have to skip out on this one.

                                    • 1 vote
                                    #5.3 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 2:20 PM EDT

                                    Too many people are too afraid to vote outside the 2-party system. If only more people were aware of Gary Johnson!

                                    • 3 votes
                                    #5.4 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 2:30 PM EDT

                                    The Libertarian unworkable, pie-in-the-sky ideas are so outrageous that it would waste the time of the moderator, other candidates and the public. That's why!!!

                                    • 4 votes
                                    #5.5 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 2:38 PM EDT

                                    Because the Corporations don't like anyone outside of the 2 parties. Most working folks don't like this change. Going from doing OK to our economy now in the toilet. I am not a big fan of Romney but I think most Americans believe he (Romney) is the better choice. We don't need 4 more years of high unemployment and misery.

                                    • 3 votes
                                    #5.6 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 3:16 PM EDT

                                    Alder: So you suggest people vote for something they do not believe in, just to vote for something that is "attainable?" Sounds to me like you are throwing your vote away.

                                    • 3 votes
                                    #5.7 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 3:26 PM EDT

                                    A libertarian on a panel of moderators would be cool, but as far as including their candidate, let's be realistic: if you aren't garnering even a percent of popular support one month from election day, you ain't gonna win it.

                                    • 2 votes
                                    #5.8 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 3:46 PM EDT

                                    After H Ross Perot, in response to NAFTA, happened to mention that, "that giant sucking sound you hear will be the sound of jobs going to Mexico", neither the Democrats, nor the Republicans, want to share the debates with anyone that might even remotely let the truth slip out.

                                    So now candidates appearing for the debates are required to have at least 20% of the polled voter support.

                                    This way the voters get to pick which party can produce the best liar.

                                      #5.9 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 4:04 PM EDT

                                      Ending the current (incomprehensible) tax code and replacing it with a flat sales tax free of loopholes, or otherwise another system that makes any kind of sense. Attainable.

                                      Balancing the budget. Attainable.

                                      Ending wars overseas immediately in favor of building up military and defense systems in the USA and protecting our own country. Attainable.

                                      Ending the "drug war" in favor of something that makes any kind of sense. Attainable.

                                      Ending the Federal Reserve. Bigger battle. Although the recent audit of the Federal Reserve was a good start.

                                      Anyway, these are the topics I'm interested in, and the questions I would expect to see asked. I only agree with the two most popular candidates about 35% of the time. I agree with Johnson 87% of the time. So that is who I will vote for.

                                        #5.10 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 5:31 PM EDT
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                                        With apparent need for Romney to throw a Hail Mary tonight by appealing to the supposed 10% still sitting on the fence, and given that a bulk of these folks are likely looking for someone to take care of them right now and are comparatively not much interested in the future, it is possible that Romney will try to appear to the be a take-charge kind of guy by demonstration of the same kind of mock bluster and indignation used by Ronald Reagan back in 1980.

                                        In what was called a “debate,” Reagan dramatically set the stage at the start of the event by appearing to be annoyed with Mr. Green who was supposedly in charge. Barging right on by Green who seemed to be trying to keep control, Romney rose to his feet and conspicuously picked up an array of microphones v=before him that looked the antlers of a world-record-setting elk and said in determined voice and penetrating stare to and through Mr. Green, “I’m paying for this microphone, Mr. Greene.” By then there were few voters that would recall that the whole stick had been done in the movies 41 years before by Jimmy Stuart in “Mr. Smith Goes to Washington.”

                                        Mr. Green was actually a Mr. Breen, but it was better theater to say green when pretending to see red and when the intent was to leave George H. W. Bush off in the bush.

                                        Now, as we still live on with the consequences of the trickle-down economics that was to follow, little is remembered of what was briefly called Reagan’s Nashua Moment.

                                        • 2 votes
                                        Reply#6 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 1:45 PM EDT

                                        Why isn't Gus Hall invited to the debate?

                                        Yeah, I know he's DEAD, but still...

                                        • 4 votes
                                        Reply#7 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 1:45 PM EDT

                                        Why isn't George Carlin moderating it? What's up with dead people?

                                        • 2 votes
                                        #7.1 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 2:27 PM EDT

                                        Dead people are slackers.

                                        • 2 votes
                                        #7.2 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 4:20 PM EDT
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                                        These so called debates will make no difference. People know who they want already.

                                        Mitt Romney 2012.

                                        • 9 votes
                                        Reply#8 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 1:45 PM EDT

                                        These so called debates will make no difference. People know who they want already.

                                        Agreed, people can't trust Rob-me or Lyin Ryan and farther than you can throw them.

                                        Obama 2012

                                        • 24 votes
                                        #8.1 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 1:55 PM EDT

                                        Dave, I think some people will vote for Romney, but I wouldn't say they "want" him. I'm not even sure how he won the Republican primary.

                                        Romney only paid 14% tax on the millions he raked in, and he has the nerve to dismiss the 47% of Americans who do not pay federal taxes, like seniors, veterans, waitresses, farmers, masons, carpenters, clerks, daycare workers, CNAs, homehealth care workers, fishermen and roadcrew workers, as freeloaders who expect government handouts and don't take responsibility for their lives.

                                        • 17 votes
                                        #8.2 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 2:08 PM EDT

                                        Amy,

                                        And Obama is a 1%er who doesn't represent my interests. Lesser of 2 evils.

                                        • 7 votes
                                        #8.3 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 2:45 PM EDT

                                        Amy,

                                        And Romney keeps his millions outside the country too. When he was against the federal loans to the car manufacturers, why didn't he step up to the plate and invest in GM and Chrylser?

                                        • 4 votes
                                        #8.4 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 3:00 PM EDT

                                        Amy.. that 14% He paid is more money than you or I will make for the rest of our lives.... stop bitching...That horse is dead and you libs just keep kicking it... FFS.. give it a rest already!

                                        • 5 votes
                                        #8.5 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 3:30 PM EDT

                                        Romney would rather siphon untaxed wealth outside of the country than keep it in the country and "create jobs" with it.

                                        And people question his moral compass.....

                                        • 1 vote
                                        #8.6 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 4:30 PM EDT

                                        This election's hardly a decided matter, but I'm not so worried about how Obama's debate performance will be. Remember in 2010 when he went to speak at a Republican House member's retreat and made them look like fools, on camera? Sure, that might be my opinion, but remember the whining they did about being "blind sided" and declaring they wouldn't do that in front of cameras again? That's when he let them ask what ever questions they wanted, unscripted.

                                        • 1 vote
                                        #8.7 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 4:40 PM EDT

                                        amy.... I'm just wondering, How much did you pay in federal taxes last year? I paid 13.5%. Of course I donated some to the church, some to salvation Army, some to United Way. I also set aside 5% of my income into a 401K and of course none of us pay taxes on our Health care Insurance premiums. All said and done... My tax rate was pretty close to Gov. Romney.

                                        I'm the middle class.... but not for long with Obama's policies. Raise minimum wage, mandate "Health Insurance"(not Health Care). Stimulus package that can't possibly be paid back in the near future without raising taxes.

                                        Somebody has to contain the spending and and put the country in a financially responsible position. This President Obama continues to divide our country along party lines, racial lines & income lines. Making it appear that if you worked hard for something that you didn't get it on your own and that you owe somebody else a part of what you have achieved.

                                        The current administration has been corrupt and not held responsible for their actions. Shame on them! Please take time to read, listen and understand what is happening around you. Are you better today than you were 4-6years ago?

                                        • 2 votes
                                        #8.8 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 4:51 PM EDT

                                        Tbagger, do you think Romney is the only one with funds outside this country. Anyone with any investments in mutual funds is investing in foreign companies. It is good business. If you knew economics and investments (and Romney does), many municipal bonds are also tax free and anyone who has funds can invest in them. Why not try to learn from a winner of economics (Romney) rather than follow a loser with your hand out? Do you want America to win? Do you want to win for yourself, too? Be smart! Stop, look and listen! If this country continues on the obama path, all of the big money people can (not saying will) shut down their companies (no revenue to tax and more people on unemployment) and then who will you tax to keep paying the poor, under-employed, needy, veterans, children and elderly? There is one important characteristic I hope you will consider about each candidate: Mitt Romney has given millions to charity (about 14% of his income). He honestly cares about people. Obama and biden together gave a paltry 1% of their money to help others. They don't want to spend their money to help others, they just want to spend your money! We have seen this administration take many lavish, extravagant trips with our hard earned dollars. Vote for the one who will put an end to this wasteful spending! I sincerely hope those leaving comments will rise above hatred and bigotry and engage in an intelligent discussion!

                                          #8.9 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 5:18 PM EDT

                                          The 14% horse is dead but we still don't have any proof that Romney didn't avail himself of the 2009 tax amnesty offered by the federal govt when the Swiss banks released the names of Americans sheltering funds (from taxes). This is the real reason that he won't release the last five years of taxes. It wasn't illegal but it was politically untenable to take the amnesty. This is why McCain passed on Romney for Veep.

                                          • 1 vote
                                          #8.10 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 5:39 PM EDT
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                                          Gov Romney what are your plans to handle the debt?

                                          Romney well we will cut tax's and deregulate, we will cut all entitlements and tell all those lazy seniors, veterans and working poor to get jobs, or at least better job's,we will make medicare a voucher program, because those for profit insurance Co's can't wait to cover seniors!

                                          Romney I know I have taken both sides of every issue, but that's how I roll. We need to protect the rich at all cost's and they have given me lot's of money, so they have to make a profit on the money they have invested.

                                          O&JOE

                                          • 26 votes
                                          Reply#9 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 1:46 PM EDT

                                          I don't know why I keep doing this. I must be a masochist.

                                          Humm, you apparently do not understand the most simple principles from Economics 101. A company MUST make a profit to stay in business. If a company does not make a profit, it is out of business, thereby leaving a portion of the economy unserved (in this case, health insurance providers).

                                          You are willing to vilify health insurers that do make a profit, thereby staying in business. I suggest that if you have a 401-k plan at work or a pension plan or a union pension, you go take a look at where your contributions (or the employers' contributions) are invested. I believe that you will find that most of it is invested in (wait for it, dirty filthy nasty words) profit-making companies. Those companies provide a return to your retirement plan(s) so that you may have a retirement instead of having to work until you drop and have dirt thrown over you.

                                          Of course, if you don't have a 401-k or pension or union retirement benefit, please feel free to continue your vituperative vilification of profits. However, you may wind up out of a job when your employer doesn't make any money, declares bankruptcy, and lays you off.

                                          Please get back to us with your position paper after you think about it.

                                          • 6 votes
                                          #9.1 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 2:36 PM EDT

                                          Bob you must also realize that cuts alone nor revenue increase alone is the solution to the problem of the deficit but a combination of SENSIBLE cuts accross the board, including the Pentagon, and increases in revenue. Whether in a business or government you can only go so far on all cuts or all revenue before you have problems. A balanced approach as proposed by President Obama is the right way to handle the deficit. Yes, it does include cuts for stuff the Pentagon says they don't want.

                                          • 8 votes
                                          #9.2 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 2:45 PM EDT

                                          Add one more answer to Hummingbird's question above:

                                          Romney: I'll eliminate 5 federal agencies - EPA, Education, SEC, Health and Human Services and, and , and .....oops I forgot the last one.

                                          • 3 votes
                                          #9.3 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 3:10 PM EDT

                                          That was Rick Perry.....C'mon man if your gonna sting someone at least be correct in your attempt.....

                                          • 7 votes
                                          #9.4 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 3:45 PM EDT
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                                          Question to Obama: Why did you pick a clown for a VP and keep him again?

                                          Answer: Cuz I dont want to be president anymore. I said that if I couldnt change things then Im a 1 term president.

                                          Thank you Mr. Obama, Pack your bags and save us the time so we can get this country back to normal. Later!

                                          • 9 votes
                                          Reply#10 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 1:47 PM EDT

                                          My question would be two part: Do you support the Citizens United decision which allows foriegn groups to influence United States elections(?), and, if not, what will you do to try to change election funding?

                                          • 12 votes
                                          Reply#11 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 1:47 PM EDT

                                          Bad decision.

                                          Corporations are not people. If it takes a constitutional ammendment to clarify this fact, the sooner the better.

                                          There should be spending limits. Public funding of candidates which garner a certain amount of public support.

                                          • 9 votes
                                          #11.1 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 1:56 PM EDT

                                          COinFL - Citizens United does NOT allow foreign groups to influence United States elections, that is just another left wing talking point. Remember the Supreme Court Justice indicating to Obama during the SOTU that was not true. Please show me proof of a foreign corporation influencing our elections?

                                          • 1 vote
                                          #11.2 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 2:12 PM EDT

                                          Contributions to super-PACS can be anonymous, so I admit it would be difficult for me to provide proof at this point.

                                          However, sfcret, I do wish I shared your unwavering trust in the goodness and honesty of all politicians and business entities. Life would seem much more rosy.

                                          • 6 votes
                                          #11.3 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 2:26 PM EDT

                                          COinFL - See you make my point, you can't back up your comment. My complaint with the left wingers is they constantly blame someone else for their problems. I don't trust any of the politicians but I do trust Romney more than Obama on the economy, jobs, regulations, taxes, energy and even foreign policy. I biggest complaint with Obama is he constantly refuses to take blame for anything and constantly tries and degrade his opponent but does nothing to defend his policies or even explain what he will do if reelected.

                                          • 2 votes
                                          #11.4 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 3:20 PM EDT

                                          @ED2874315...Every first year law student in this country has been told :

                                          'Corporations are considered as artificial persons existing only in contemplation of the law"

                                          Romney has deliberately mis-used & convoluted the phrase by ambiguously characterizing context and interpretation, probably due to the fact that he has no exposure to legal senses!

                                            #11.5 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 4:40 PM EDT
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                                            Why Democrats, including me, are abandoning Obama

                                            By Rob Taub

                                            I wrote an article last month for this website discussing how I – along with other Democrats and independents – might just cast our vote for Romney, although I didn't fully explain the rationale for the change. While I'm not claiming there is a new wave of supporters for Mitt Romney, there is no denying that there is a large number of disgruntled Democrats and independents who are dissatisfied with President Obama. And that may just be enough to elect Mitt Romney.

                                            At this week's Democratic Convention, president Obama spoke of his many hopes and dreams for America. He has often said that he expects to leave a legacy of great achievements, like those of Presidents John F. Kennedy and Lyndon B. Johnson.

                                            Kennedy was able to galvanize the nation not simply because he wanted to do so, but as a result of methodical campaigning and stumping that culminated with a cross-country trip in 1956, where he introduced himself to voters, delegates and politicians. Lyndon Johnson was able to pass numerous bills into law, not merely for the reason that they were morally right, but because he was a skilled politician who understood and accepted the workings of our political system.

                                            JFK was a relentless and industrious campaigner. He came from a level of wealth and privilege that placed him at the top of the one percent of his day, yet instead of rejecting the mandatory campaign requirements of politicians of that era, he embraced the daily rigors of handshaking, personal visits and ward style politics, exploiting them further than anyone ever had before.

                                            The president has a wonderful vision for America, but it's nothing more than a delusion that can't be achieved during a time of record – and climbing – deficits.

                                            -

                                            Lyndon Johnson was the consummate politician who truly understood that the art of the deal was all about bipartisanship and he worked tirelessly to unite our country. It’s been said that while most men were content to read a book or watch a sporting event for recreation, Lyndon Johnson would follow the results of a local Texas school board election for fun. His love for politics was unflagging. That was his tennis.

                                            President Obama is said to abhor the daily machinations of Washington politics. He refuses to miss more than two dinners a week with his daughters. He prefers not to meet with senators, congressmen or significant donors, yet he still expects to reap the benefits normally provided by those circumstances.

                                            Obama snubbed the advice of George Soros (perhaps his wealthiest and most influential donor) and has alienated many other important supporters. What President Obama may perceive as altruistic is nothing more than intractable behavior along with a refusal to accept the reality of American politics and – ultimately – the basic job description of president of the United States.

                                            Perhaps President Obama should consider that his dislike of Washington politics has contributed to the inertia and current stalemate that exists in Washington. He promised hope and change, but his current campaign is divisive with negative advertisements and driven by class warfare.

                                            In Thursday night's convention address, President Obama reprised the same promises he made in 2008, again with no feasible suggestions of how to pay for them.

                                            The president has a wonderful vision for America, but it's nothing more than a delusion that can't be achieved during a time of record – and climbing – deficits. Our government has built roads, bridges and schools that have educated us. However, it has also become a bloated money burning machine in desperate need of reform – a word that does not seem to exist in Obama's vocabulary.

                                            Democrats are jumping ship because President Obama is offering nothing but blame for the previous administration and his own pipe dreams at a time when voters need some real assurance if they’re going to believe the economy can be saved. Unfortunately, speaking as one of those Democrats, I have little hope that President Obama will change.

                                            • 11 votes
                                            Reply#12 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 1:48 PM EDT

                                            Obama = domestic diplomacy FAIL

                                            Romney/Ryan 2012 - A New Hope

                                            • 11 votes
                                            #12.1 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 1:59 PM EDT

                                            Again with this crap, and pretending to be a Democrat.

                                            • 6 votes
                                            #12.2 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 2:01 PM EDT
                                            Comment author avatarWill Delaneyvia Facebook

                                            Really ED? why would anyone one want to pretend to be a brainwashed idiot that continues to support Nobama and Plugs Biden. This administration has done nothing for our economy and unemployment except blame Bush.

                                            It is people like you that continue to want more entitlements from those of us that actually work and pay taxes that really piss me off. Get off of your porch with your 40 oz beer in a bag and go to work you mooch! Yeah I said it, your probably a lazy SOB that thinks he is owed a living.

                                            By the way, for those of you that know anything about taxes, Romney's 14% is a Capital Gains tax, paid on interest earned. The original investment had already been taxed. Plus he gave 30% to charity. That is something your Democrats probably dont know anything about because you would rather take from others instead of giving back.

                                            • 7 votes
                                            #12.3 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 3:18 PM EDT

                                            Why I am an Ex Republican and why I'll never vote for them again:

                                            1. Failure on 911 and the lies given as the official story. Every year little bits of facts are being forged as to the real story and every year it looks more like a coup by the government to facilitate removing our freedoms and reasoning to spend from 400 billion in 98 to over 860 billion in 2010 - money that went to the 1% owners of the war machine.

                                            2.The complete and utter proliferation of changing state and local laws as written by membership companies of ALEC - most were for privatization of public goods and services under the auspices that it would save money....it hasn't.

                                            3. Their preoccupation of forcing Religious morals on society and fighting costly political battles again and again Roe vs Wade.

                                            4. Their deliberate attempts to help those who need it the least through tax cuts to the highest earners all in the name of trickle down.

                                            5. Continued support of big oil at the expense of developing industries.

                                            6. Complete disregard for the environment to induce even higher profits - Fracking companies do not have to abide by the Clean water and air act, cause it would cost too much. Allowing private companies to ruin BLM land.

                                            7.Republicans signing the Grover no tax increase pledge.

                                            8. Claiming Fiscal Conservatism - They absolutely say one thing and do the opposite.

                                            9. Global Terrorism - which really is Global Domination. The proliferation of world-wide military installations. In 1998 there were 470 bases in 63 countries with 1.3 million staff and an operating budget of 470 billion In 2011 there are over 900 bases in over 130 countries with over 2.5 million in staff at a budget of 800 billion per year.

                                            If you look at a world map....these bases just happen to consistently be near large natural resources whether water, mineral or oil.

                                            These bases are the leading cause for us to lend "Foreign Aid" - because without the payoff to the host country they would not allow it. Foreign aid is not foreign aid - it's rent due.

                                            We do not need 900 or more military installations across the globe; unless of course the Republican desire is to rule the world.

                                            10. They have done NOTHING to HELP America out of this depression I offer the following

                                            44 Bills..........on Abortion
                                            99 Bills..........on Religion
                                            71 Bills .........on Family Relationships
                                            36 Bills..........on Marriage
                                            67 Bills..........on Firearms/Gun Control
                                            522 Bills........on Lowering Corporate Tax
                                            445 Bills........on Government Investigations

                                            0 Bills………...on Jobs!!!!

                                            • 4 votes
                                            #12.4 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 4:35 PM EDT

                                            Kevin,

                                            "Why I am an Ex Republican and why I'll never vote for them again:"

                                            I don't care who you vote for but, at least don't pretend to have ever been a republican, and now your a un-repentant democratic socialist.

                                            • 1 vote
                                            #12.5 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 5:42 PM EDT

                                            Steve, as I was reading this article I couldn't help but think that I've read it before...then it hit me...Fox News!

                                            If you're going to try to show us liberals that it's "ok to jump ship", try not to use a biased, right-wing outlet to prove your point. And yes, I occasionally read Fox News for a laugh.

                                            Obama 2012

                                            • 1 vote
                                            #12.6 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 5:42 PM EDT
                                            • A conservative, a liberal and a moderate walk into a bar. The bartender says, "What'll you have, Mitt?"
                                              #12.7 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 6:57 PM EDT

                                              how would you libs feel if the obozo admin blocked the fbi to investigate a murder of someone you know in libya during a terrorist attack?

                                              or gave immunity during a coverup to eric holder?

                                              or gave half a billion to donors?

                                              yeah, all this on breitbart news, but hey, youd rather be ignorant

                                              all romney has to do is point out the liar in chiefs record. obozo is feckless. an idiot

                                              a bum

                                              the worst recovery since 1930

                                              couldnt get any worse, unless you reelect this idiot

                                              OBAMA, SAVE ME, IM TOO STUPID TO HELP MYSELF..... OOHHHH NOOOOOOOO! HELP, GIMMMEGIMMMEGIMMMEEEGIMMEEE

                                              IM JUST A SELFISH IDIOT THAT WANTS TO HAVE AN EASY LIFE ON SOMEONE ELSES HARD WORK

                                              i want food stamps

                                              free phone

                                              free medical

                                              free housing

                                              free birth control

                                              free money to buy beer

                                              free college

                                              free jail

                                              free psychiatric

                                              free drugs

                                              PAY ME TO BE A LOSER YOU FOOLS, CAUSE I DESERVE IT. I AM A LIBERAL!

                                              obozo also claims gobmint excludes black people from getting money, but the EVIL F-UCK is only one of 14 to vote against the stafford act

                                              pure evil

                                              only an idiot would turn from that fact

                                                #12.8 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 8:30 PM EDT

                                                rightisright-5861504

                                                "......only an idiot would turn from that fact"

                                                ---------------------------

                                                Only an idiot would accept that as fact.

                                                I see the right is continuing to implode. In just a few mins, you may hear little popping sounds to your right, that's just heads exploding while mittens goes from gaff to gaff. Now, to the left, you may hear popping sounds too. That's just Fiesty popping more popcorn to help us enjoy the show. >:o):

                                                Much Love n Blessings,

                                                Da Pup

                                                >:o): PurRrRrRrRRrRrrr

                                                • 2 votes
                                                #12.9 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 8:51 PM EDT
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                                                I won't be watching the debate. I can get the five minute summary about 11:30 and still have an enjoyable evening doing something worthwhile. These two clowns have had a full year to tell me their story ~ I don't need to invest more time expecting to hear it from either of them tonight.

                                                • 2 votes
                                                Reply#13 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 1:49 PM EDT

                                                Oh good Jim, thanks for your wisdom. Now go back to burring your head in the sand.

                                                • 6 votes
                                                #13.1 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 1:58 PM EDT

                                                LOL

                                                  #13.2 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 3:37 PM EDT
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                                                  I think the military should come and arrest obama on stage tonight during the debate. I wonder how he can avoid arrest under the NDAA indefinite detention of those supporting terrorist activites. He signed this unconstitutional bill into law, now he should have to comply with it. He is now asking for another half a billion in dollars to give the the muslim brotherhood government of Egypt. This organizations says, right in their mission statement - jihad is the way! He wants our tax money to support jihad. If that is not treason, I don't know what is.

                                                  • 10 votes
                                                  Reply#14 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 1:50 PM EDT

                                                  That's quite a stretch there, mrkirchner.

                                                  I think it would be easier and better to build a case for treason against Ryan, Cantor, and the other Republican obstructionists for plotting to destroy our economy for personal gain.

                                                  • 16 votes
                                                  #14.1 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 1:58 PM EDT

                                                  You are correct ... you don't know what treason is.

                                                  • 2 votes
                                                  #14.2 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 2:03 PM EDT

                                                  It' true, Obama supports Israel, I guess he should be arrested.

                                                  What about the pledge of alliegeance to Israel embeded in the Jewish marriage ceremony? Does that mean they are traitors to the United States?

                                                  • 1 vote
                                                  #14.3 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 2:05 PM EDT

                                                  Romney should start out the debate with the following:

                                                  Mr. Obama is excellent at debating. To give an analogy he is like an underweight boxer, he punches above his weight.”

                                                  Then Romney should look at Obama and throw a fake jab and smirk at Obama. It would be absolutely hilarious !

                                                  http://www.youtube.com/v/erYpXzE9Pxs%26

                                                  • 1 vote
                                                  #14.4 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 8:02 PM EDT
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                                                  Mitt- how can the Obama campaing find 'embarrasing' things, or how can they drill down to 'nit-picking' items in your other tax returns if there are no such things or items in there for them to grab??

                                                  Also- now how are you going to win Pennsylvaina, now that the ID law is on hold??

                                                  • 13 votes
                                                  Reply#15 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 1:50 PM EDT

                                                  Is Gary Johnson attending? No mention of him in the press release.

                                                  • 2 votes
                                                  Reply#16 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 1:51 PM EDT

                                                  Irrelevance

                                                  • 1 vote
                                                  #16.1 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 2:49 PM EDT
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                                                  Another blundering move on Joe Biden the clown. Can u imagine him running the country if something happened to our already loser president? OMG! Scary as hell. Keep up the good work Biden. Open mouth, insert foot. Say bye bye come November 6th.

                                                  • 7 votes
                                                  Reply#17 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 1:52 PM EDT

                                                  Why do you think Obama hasn't been assasinated. Biden's his best protection.

                                                  • 1 vote
                                                  #17.1 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 3:23 PM EDT

                                                  That's why McCain chose Palin too.......

                                                    #17.2 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 4:16 PM EDT

                                                    Romney is just horrible. His parents were on welfare but he hates people on welfare? HYPOCRITE

                                                    Obama 2012

                                                    Romney 1040

                                                      #17.3 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 5:46 PM EDT

                                                      Becareful for what you wish for ...because you have no idea where we will end up if Obama is President 4 more years.

                                                      • 1 vote
                                                      #17.4 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 7:44 PM EDT

                                                      GO ROMNEY!! Hope you make him look like the bad president that he is.

                                                        #17.5 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 8:52 PM EDT
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                                                        YOU JUST DON’T GIVE A F**K ABOUT FACTS IF…

                                                        1: You’re irate over the president taking so many vacation days on the taxpayer’s dime (61 thus far), but you thought George W. Bush earned every minute of his leisure time (196 days at the same point in his presidency).

                                                        2: You’re happy with your 40 hour work week, paid vacations and company-provided healthcare, but you’re strongly anti-union, because those commies haven’t done anything for you lately.

                                                        3: You strongly support the First Amendment and its guarantee of religious freedom to all, but you don’t think Muslims have a right to build an Islamic Community Center in Manhattan.

                                                        4: You believe Ronald Reagan was a devout Christian, even though he hated going to church, but any president who spends twenty years going to the same Trinity United Church in Chicago must be a Muslim.

                                                        5: You believe when a Republican governor creates a healthcare package with an individual mandate for everyone in his state, that’s a good idea. But when a Democratic president does it, suddenly it’s unconstitutional.

                                                        6: You’re so enthused about demonstrating your Second Amendment rights, you can think of no finer place to brandish your pistol in public than at a presidential rally.

                                                        7: You believe Bill Clinton was responsible for Osama bin Laden’s escape ten years ago, but thankfully George W. Bush caught up with him and killed him in Pakistan.

                                                        8: You believe in putting American jobs first, except when president Obama rescued 1.5 million GM and Chrysler autoworkers, because that was socialism.

                                                        9: It angers you that you can’t communicate with the Mexican busboy at your local Olive Garden, but when you took a vacation to San Francisco’s Chinatown, you thought it’s quaint that so many Chinese-Americans are holding fast to their traditional language. Because that’s America!

                                                        10: You deny that the lunatic who tried to murder Gaby Giffords was a conservative, even though he targeted a Jewish, pro-choice, pro gay rights, Democratic Congresswoman.

                                                        11: You thought it was perfectly normal that every president in history had an untethered right to raise the debt ceiling when warranted, but when Obama asked the GOP held congress to do it, you thought it only natural that it be tied to cutting Social Security and Medicare.

                                                        12: When the new 112th Congress was sworn in, you swooned as they promised to focus on “Jobs, jobs, jobs.” But when they pivoted, and went after NPR, Planned Parenthood and gay rights, you cheered.

                                                        13: You accuse president Obama of raising your taxes to the highest point ever, even though they’re lower today than at any time since 1950.

                                                        14: You believe the wealthiest Americans are “job creators,” and they are — but it doesn’t bother you that all the workers in those positions are in India, China and Malaysia, and they’re doing the jobs that our fathers once did.

                                                        15: You believe gays are anti-American, because their lifestyle is a threat to the children… unless they’re married to Tea Party-backed presidential candidates from Minnesota.

                                                        16: You strongly defend individual freedom, but that freedom doesn’t include a woman’s right to decide her own healthcare needs.

                                                        17: You believe corporations are people too, and are deserving of the same rights as the rest of us. Just not the same obligations to pay personal income tax free of corporate loopholes, or penalties for massive criminal behavior and tax evasion. In these matters, corporations are deserving of special rights.

                                                        18: And since corporations are now people too, you must believe in their right to a driver’s license, the right to marry, to adopt children, etc. These rights shall not be denied to Exxon, Halliburton and BP (but still immune from the right of the People to try, convict and sentence to death any corporation that conspires to commit a felony… because at that point, they’re suddenly not people again.)

                                                        19: You still believe Climate Change is a myth, and the recent record highs, lows, floods and droughts around the world coinciding with climate scientist’s predictions are all an amazing coincidence. Oh, and Al Gore is FAT!

                                                        20: You believe when George W. Bush took the national debt from $5 trillion to $11 trillion, it was necessary for him to do so to keep America safe. But when Barack Obama added to it by trying to rescue the country from a second Great Depression, he was deliberately trying to destroy America!

                                                        21: You believe America is a God fearing country, and that the Almighty protects those who believe just as you do. But it’s never crossed your mind that the majority of tornados, hurricanes and floods all occur in the Bible Belt.

                                                        22: You believe that no matter who’s in the White House, the office, if not the man himself is deserving of your respect. The only exceptions to this rule, are if his middle name sounds Muslim, and if he’s not at least as white as that black guy who works down in the mailroom at the office.

                                                        • 28 votes
                                                        Reply#18 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 1:55 PM EDT

                                                        Why cant they have their debate in the middle of the desert? They are inconveniencing an entire city for a day just to have a stupid debate between two candidates that nobody in America is particularly crazy about. Admit it, even if you happen to like one over the other, you wouldn't design the politician if you had the choice.

                                                        They are each a different side of the same coin. Not for lowering the budget, not for coming home from war, not for sound money... the list goes on and on. The one thing you can say for sure is that neither one of them cares about you, your family, or anybody you know.

                                                          #18.1 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 2:03 PM EDT

                                                          additional to #22

                                                          Republicans since Reagan, disrespect any one who is not Republican, especially a president.

                                                          • 5 votes
                                                          #18.2 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 2:28 PM EDT

                                                          #19 and #21 kind of contradict themselves Owen.

                                                          Welp, off to burn more tires and throw beer cans in the trash.

                                                            #18.3 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 2:40 PM EDT

                                                            All excellent and true points, Owen. The hypocrisy of republinazis has no shame or bounds.

                                                            • 6 votes
                                                            #18.4 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 3:04 PM EDT

                                                            You are a fool but allowed to speak TODAY because Obama has yet to put a halt to free speech, hold on if he is reelected you just may loose that right as well in his We the Government rule!

                                                            Changing before our eyes America from a Republic "WE THE PEOPLE" he is killing America wake up fools.

                                                            • 4 votes
                                                            #18.5 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 3:16 PM EDT

                                                            You want fact here they are:

                                                            Social Security is $2.6 trillion in the black. In 2010 it ran a $68 billion surplus.

                                                          • Clinton reduced the debt as a percent of GDP.
                                                          • G. W. Bush restarted the deficits with tax cuts for the rich.
                                                          • Red ink hit a peak rate of $1 trillion in 100 days just before Obama. Now stands at $16 trillion.
                                                          • The Obama stimulous was only $0.08 trillion.
                                                          • Only $1.2 trillion is owed to China.[1]
                                                          • From the end of 2007 until the end of Bush's last budget in Sept. 2009, America lost 10 million jobs. And, we're still missing those 10 million jobs. On top of that, the 7 million that are typically unemployed, now must look much longer for work.
                                                          • In 2010, 46.9 million people were in poverty, up from 37.3 million in 2007 -- the fourth consecutive annual increase in the number of people in poverty . This is the largest number in the 52 years for which poverty rates have been published
                                                          • $10 trillion is owed to America.
                                                            • #18.6 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 3:40 PM EDT

                                                              How many jobs have you created?

                                                                #18.7 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 3:40 PM EDT

                                                                You forgot to mention that Bush put into law the Emergency Relief Fund to start the bailout of Wall Street and GM and Chrysler in 2008. 700 Billion Dollars. Endorsed by the Republicans.

                                                                23. You believe that the bailout of GM and Chrysler was Socialism and they should have been left to fail , however when Bush did it it was Capitalism and it was the right thing to do.

                                                                • 3 votes
                                                                #18.8 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 5:25 PM EDT

                                                                Owencoffin,

                                                                CBS News: Liberal new reporting

                                                                The Debt rose $4.899 trillion during the two terms of the Bush presidency. It has now gone up $4.939 trillion since President Obama took office.

                                                                20. Wow, you say you are telling us facts?

                                                                Let this Obama clown in for 4 more years he would bankrupt the Country.

                                                                Fire!! Obama for deceit , lies and failures

                                                                • 2 votes
                                                                #18.9 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 6:13 PM EDT
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                                                                Obama is at a disadvantage from my perspective. Obama has nothing new to add to his narrative.

                                                                Romney, however, has a lot to add. There are a lot of holes he can fill in about his tax proposals; holes, that if he can fill them, will take away one of the main talking points of democrats.

                                                                Romney also has a chance to show that he is, in fact, a loving, caring, charitable person. This point, however, may be made more effectively by a nationally run ad or two about the amazing things he's done for other people.

                                                                Romney and Obama both have to defend their actions. This is favorable for Romney, who has a solid bipartisan record in Mass.

                                                                Obama will have more difficulty defending his actions, since he was unable to work with this congress -- and has publicly written them off. This domestic diplomacy fail will come back to bite him. How can we expect him to effectively navigate foreign disputes when he can't effectively navigate the disputes and divisiveness in his own country?

                                                                For example - a First Read story about Obama making his attacks on Republicans personal, adding fuel to the fire instead of working to reach across the aisle.

                                                                Romney has a good bipartisan history, a good heart, and a good mind.

                                                                Romney/Ryan 2012 - A New Hope

                                                                • 8 votes
                                                                Reply#19 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 1:56 PM EDT

                                                                RIGHT ON, ROMNEY/RYAN 2012 and 4 turn around years as President and Vice President of this America in great trouble after Obama our worst President ever.

                                                                • 2 votes
                                                                #19.1 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 3:22 PM EDT

                                                                see 2016, the movie, Obama's america or u tube it

                                                                  #19.2 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 5:19 PM EDT
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                                                                  Obama will be on defense tonight. Hard to stand on a horrible record.

                                                                  • 11 votes
                                                                  Reply#20 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 1:57 PM EDT

                                                                  Only if Romney doesn't play not to lose.

                                                                    #20.1 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 2:01 PM EDT
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                                                                    can someone explain what Romney's plan is? He says he wants to cut tax's, raise the military budget and balance the budget. It's just this balancing thing that he never discusses. Why even the intellectual leader of the republican party, Ryan, wouldnt or couldnt disclose how the arithmatic would work.

                                                                    • 7 votes
                                                                    Reply#21 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 1:57 PM EDT

                                                                    How do you balance your budget at home? It starts with making more money. That is step one. Cutting your spending is second. Under Obama the economy sucks, so no revenue is coming in. Then, he spends $1.5 trillion more than he collects in revenue each year. If you do that, you will be broke in a week. Romney has a plan to bring in more revenue starting with tapping our energy resources which Obama does not like to do.

                                                                    • 4 votes
                                                                    #21.1 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 2:10 PM EDT

                                                                    As I have it, Romney has NOT proposed any tax cuts for the wealthy. He recently was on TV and said "the wealthy will not pay less". This entire wealthy tax cut BS is a spin job by the Obama camp.

                                                                    I think we live in a world more dangerous than ever. I want to know we have a strong military.

                                                                    The budget will require massive spending cuts and increased revenue. The republicans are banking on increased revenue from increased employment.

                                                                    Romney's domestic energy plan alone will put billions of private funds into the middle class' pockets, and does not require government subsidies.

                                                                    • 3 votes
                                                                    #21.2 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 2:13 PM EDT

                                                                    Road warrior- every country that has tried your way of dealing with the deficit first has FAILED. Name me one country that has used your method where it succeeded? You cannot because it has NEVER worked. Romney has proposed to REDUCE revenues by cutting tax rates and increase the expenditure by pegging defense spending to 4% of GDP. But he has NEVER said how he will balance the budget.

                                                                    so we are back to the ole republican agenda of drill baby drill as our solution?

                                                                    • 5 votes
                                                                    #21.3 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 2:19 PM EDT

                                                                    Dem,

                                                                    Every country that has tried to print the deficit away has failed too.

                                                                    Every country that has tried socialism is/has failed.

                                                                    • 5 votes
                                                                    #21.4 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 2:31 PM EDT

                                                                    every country that has tried your way of dealing with the deficit first has FAILED

                                                                    That's because those countries don't have the resources we have. Canada has the resources and they are tapping into it.

                                                                    Name me one country that has used your method where it succeeded?

                                                                    The United States. JFK, Reagan, Clinton, Bush....All have cut taxes on the rich and revenue went up because of increased investment and economic growth. BTW, Lawrence Summers was Reagan and Clinton's economic advisor. Obama hired him and then fired him. Summers is a capital gains tax cutter.

                                                                    • 1 vote
                                                                    #21.5 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 2:41 PM EDT

                                                                    Road- number one the cameron govt in the UK tried your method a year and a half ago when first elected- the Uk is in a double dip recession and hs been for a while. Not sure what you are referring to on Canada but when they followed the repub plan a few years ago what your side loves to not mention is they devalued their currency to boost their economy(exports) which always works but doubt if we want to follow suit.

                                                                    Please review the congressional research council- the old adage of cut tax and it boosts the economy has not worked for decades. May have worked when you cut the top tax from 90% to 50% as Reaqgan did but it no longer works when you are cutting the top rate of 39% to 36% as Bush did. No Bounce, no growth. Remember each month we need to add 125k jobs just to stay even and every economy plans on some growth. The question is has your tax cut added to the anticipated growth and the answer is NO

                                                                    • 4 votes
                                                                    #21.6 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 2:48 PM EDT

                                                                    Voice- Romney has stated so many things it is difficult to know what he is saying. The other day he did say he plans of reducing the tax rate by 20% across the board but will remove "other things" so the wealthy will still pay the same amount.

                                                                    What he meant to say is unknown but the math does not add up- he calls for a tax cut, an increase in defense spending, yet says he will balance the budget just he nd Ryan refuse to say how they will balance the budget.

                                                                    • 4 votes
                                                                    #21.7 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 2:54 PM EDT

                                                                    the cameron govt in the UK tried your method a year and a half ago when first elected- the Uk is in a double dip recession

                                                                    Again, they have no resources, not like what we have.

                                                                    Not sure what you are referring to on Canada

                                                                    Dem,

                                                                    Let me spell it out. Canada has one-tenth the population we have and they are the number 6 oil producing country, just behind Iran and China.

                                                                    Face it, liberal policies don't work because at its core, they want to curb consumption to "save the planet". To do that, you raise prices, cut supply and tax. No consumption = no economic growth.

                                                                    • 1 vote
                                                                    #21.8 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 3:12 PM EDT

                                                                    so road- no energy sector no economy?

                                                                    why even the head of chevron now admits global warming is real but its just an engineering issue. After decades of refuting the science he now proposes scientific solutions to overcome. How priceless!!!!!!!

                                                                    how does cutting the deficit restart the economy again?

                                                                    • 1 vote
                                                                    #21.9 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 3:16 PM EDT

                                                                    no energy sector no economy?

                                                                    Dem,

                                                                    By God, I think you got it. Energy is what makes the world go round. Wars are fought over it.

                                                                    why even the head of chevron now admits global warming is real

                                                                    As I said, libs puts "saving the planet" above all else, realistic or not. That thinking is contrary to good economic growth, and you are seeing the results.

                                                                    how does cutting the deficit restart the economy again?

                                                                    Balancing the check book doesn't make you richer, but it sure puts you are firmer financial ground and investment is easier.

                                                                    • 1 vote
                                                                    #21.10 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 3:30 PM EDT

                                                                    so your answer is drill baby drill, damm the environment and you never answered the question how does cutting the hell out of the budget start jobs again when its been tried in Europe and the Uk and it has proven to increase unemployment. But the EU which has a larger economy then ours(all of Europe) doesnt have the muscle or something according to your logic.

                                                                    The truth is you have no facts to back up your argument but who cares......

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                                                                    #21.11 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 4:31 PM EDT

                                                                    I know I should hate Romney for his low taxes on investment income even though he paid a much higher tax on that same money originally when he earned it outside of investment income. I know I should hate Romney when he paid $6.2 million to the taxman and donated $7 million to charity, including $4.1 million to his church. Man, he is evil for donating 16% of his income to charity! If a liberal gave that much to charity it would be on every news cast and he would have a half hour infomercial documenting each and every wonderful charity act.

                                                                    I know I should love the Obamas for donating $240,000 to charity, about 5.7 percent of their income. Every news cast loves to tout how generous they are and loves to do segments on their gift giving. The Bidens gave an average of $369 to charity a year for the decade before he moved to the Naval Observatory - about 0.3 percent of their income. Back in 1997, then VP Al Gore and his then wife Tipper gave $353. Since becoming VP, Biden hasn't become much more generous. In 2010, he gave $5,350, about 1.4 percent of income. That same year, Romney gave $3 million. The national average is about 3%. Yeah, I should probably trust the rhetoric from the left when they speak a huge game but are pitiful when it comes to donating their own money to charity. It is easy to give other peoples money away. A good human being gives their own hard earned money to charity.

                                                                      #21.12 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 8:04 PM EDT
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                                                                      All the drama is unwarranted. This in no ordinary debate. Debates are generally previews to see which movie we want to see. Well, we have already seen the Obama Administration, Road to Hell. A sequel won't bring many viewers. Show me one person who has not made up their mind and I'll show you a liar.

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                                                                      Reply#22 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 2:00 PM EDT

                                                                      I would ask:

                                                                      Why do you continue funding the Muslim Brotherhood when our Congress has forbid it?

                                                                      Why does your administration allow persons with direct ties to the Muslim Brotherhood access to sensitive/confidential documents?

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                                                                      Reply#23 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 2:00 PM EDT

                                                                      what are your sources?

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                                                                      #23.1 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 2:09 PM EDT

                                                                      US House of Representatives: Louie Gohmert, Michele Bachmann and many others.

                                                                      Search Billion to Muslim Brotherhood and pick what you trust.

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                                                                      #23.2 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 2:21 PM EDT

                                                                      what are your sources?

                                                                      I'm not going to take your word for it...I don't know you from any other tom, dick or harry

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                                                                      #23.3 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 2:26 PM EDT

                                                                      These are CSPAN recordings:

                                                                      youtube.com/watch?v=354GJU3X54Y

                                                                      youtube.com/watch?v=fUlIQCeToUA

                                                                      And 1 of many available articles. breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2012/03/21/obama-bypasses-congress-gives-1-5-billion-to-muslim-brotherhood

                                                                        #23.4 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 2:41 PM EDT

                                                                        Trillian needs a handout of a link

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                                                                        #23.5 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 2:44 PM EDT

                                                                        youtube, really, I thought you said CSPAN

                                                                        and who is breitbart.com? I'm I a web design student and anyone can get a website without a driver's license, proof of who they are...

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                                                                        #23.6 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 2:48 PM EDT

                                                                        Voice of, Lies and the lying lyers that tell them.

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                                                                        #23.7 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 2:48 PM EDT

                                                                        Can't handle the truth.... Go with insults

                                                                        COWARDS

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                                                                        #23.8 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 2:52 PM EDT

                                                                        oh, voice of reason, I know your hurting, but the first thing taught in college and now high school, is how to get information and how to pick out the trustworthy from the rest - this is the age of information but not all information is true (especially when emotion is involved)

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                                                                        #23.9 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 3:14 PM EDT

                                                                        It was a C-Span link Trillian.

                                                                          #23.10 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 6:38 PM EDT

                                                                          So I went and searched for youtube.com/watch?v=354GJU3X54Y:
                                                                          got results for quite a few things like a bored teenage boy in history class
                                                                          taking a pic of a girl’s breast line…and for govt I got: Rep.
                                                                          Gohmert Questions DHS Sec. Janet Napolitano

                                                                          Same for youtube.com/watch?v=fUlIQCeToUA but different results and for
                                                                          govt got: Gohmert Holds DHS Secretary Napolitano Accountable

                                                                          So I went to http://www.c-span.org/ and searched:

                                                                          funding the Muslim Brotherhood- nothing

                                                                          Muslim Brotherhood-

                                                                          Quite a few items relating to Arab spring, religious freedom, etc.

                                                                          Again really

                                                                            #23.11 - Sat Oct 6, 2012 12:53 PM EDT
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                                                                            My question to Obama would be two part: (1) Why is FEMA building these prison camps throughout the country and (2) why is the DHS buying over 800 million rounds of JHP 40 caliber ammo? and don't give me a lame answer like: training exercises, because even the military don't use JHP ammo for training.

                                                                            Are we expecting martial law, soon?

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                                                                            Reply#24 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 2:06 PM EDT

                                                                            What are your sources?

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                                                                            #24.1 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 2:08 PM EDT

                                                                            They are actually now up to 1.4billion rounds.

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                                                                            #24.2 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 2:21 PM EDT

                                                                            what are your sources?

                                                                            I'm not going to take your word for it...

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                                                                            #24.3 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 2:24 PM EDT

                                                                            you better pay more attention to the news, trillion!

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                                                                            #24.4 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 2:27 PM EDT

                                                                            I'm sorry my major is in web design...any jacka$$ can create a website under false pretense and say anything they want without any punishment...you know no driver's license is required

                                                                            so give me a link to a speech, paper etc that is a direct quote or fact or blow the f off...

                                                                            do you trust your source? I don't, not without research...

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                                                                            #24.5 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 2:36 PM EDT

                                                                            Trillian would like you to also read it to him or her.

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                                                                            #24.6 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 2:45 PM EDT

                                                                            none of your fables have been in the news, so until you can prove anything...

                                                                            p.s. Trillian is literary not monetary

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                                                                            #24.7 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 3:03 PM EDT

                                                                            are you saying that the Government is preparing to slaughter the American public after they are pissed off for being cleaned out!?!

                                                                              #24.8 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 3:29 PM EDT

                                                                              oh Yes we are. Look at NDAA. Obama signed this on Dec 31st 2011. It is well documented and none of the news channels talk about it. National Defense Authorization Act.

                                                                                #24.9 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 6:56 PM EDT

                                                                                I would also recomment PANDA aka People Against National Defense Authorization Act. This is frightening. It makes the Patiot Act look like a pajama party. It gives our government the ability to arrest ANYONE even accused of terrorism and hold you forever with no trial, no lawyer, no nothing. We should be screaming our heads off over this but no one knows about it.

                                                                                  #24.10 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 7:03 PM EDT

                                                                                  Everyone should worry if Obama is Presidnet 4 more years!

                                                                                    #24.11 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 7:48 PM EDT
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                                                                                    My question for Obama is 'How was your time at the Karl Max and Chairman Mao School of Advanced Economics?'

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                                                                                    Reply#25 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 2:06 PM EDT

                                                                                    what are your sources?

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                                                                                    #25.1 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 2:13 PM EDT

                                                                                    made up as he goes along

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                                                                                    #25.2 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 2:21 PM EDT

                                                                                    big surprise...

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                                                                                    #25.3 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 2:27 PM EDT

                                                                                    Why do people keep mentioning Frank Davis?

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                                                                                    #25.4 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 2:46 PM EDT

                                                                                    look davis up and you will know!! dreams of my real father!!

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                                                                                    #25.5 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 4:12 PM EDT

                                                                                    Romney is just horrible. His parents were on welfare but he hates people on welfare? HYPOCRITE

                                                                                    Obama 2012

                                                                                    Romney 1040

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                                                                                    #25.6 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 5:47 PM EDT

                                                                                    I'd rather watch paint dry than watch Obamney debate with them-self.

                                                                                      #25.7 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 6:14 PM EDT

                                                                                      Time to stop looking the other way for Obama.

                                                                                      Dal you dumbass-

                                                                                      Nobody hates the people on welfare. We hate the fact that so many people have to be on welfare because there are no jobs!

                                                                                      Does anyone out here realize how awful it is to live that way? You barely get by. You get just enough to pay the bills and eat. There is no extra money for movies, clothes, vacations nothing. Who wants to live like that? Why would anyone want to have to settle for mediocrity or get just enough to get by? We want people to have a better life by having a good job and a good income.

                                                                                      I have known people in this situation and still do today. It sucks and I sure do not want to end up that way either.

                                                                                        #25.8 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 6:46 PM EDT

                                                                                        No we hate people on welfare because wages are so pathetic while corporate salaries are off the charts but the number of working poor with no benefits or health insurance INCREASES!!! Wal-Mart set to hire 50,000 people and Staples to hire 25,000 or something!! Like those are jobs people can LIVE on w/o having to tap into SOCIAL PROGRAMS to supplement their crappy pay if they children to support, like SINGLE MOTHERS who the gop says MUST have those BABIES and no WELFARE check for YOU, not even a childcare subsidy so your child can be left with a reliable sitter instead of the boyfriend or someone else untrustworthy while you go to that crappy paying job so you can GET OFF THE DOLE and try to make it on your own if the father runs out like they usually do leaving you with the kid to take care of so he can dip his wick in someone else.
                                                                                        Hopefully birth control will still be allowed and you can AFFORD it if the gop doesn't take away ALL affordable healthcare for low income women like PP. You know, like Robme wants to do. Get the picture as our workers need to be PAID MORE as even the minimum wage if it has kept up with the cost of inflation should be 10.35/hr by now and it is ONLY 7.25/hr!!!!!!!

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                                                                                        #25.9 - Wed Oct 3, 2012 7:25 PM EDT

                                                                                        The American dole does not promote a healthy outlook on life. I have spoken to women who at sixteen could not wait to get pregnant and start receiving a check in the mail just like their mother had done all her life. Being pregnant, having a baby, and getting a check in the mail was their (in their minds) legitimate passage to adulthood. Now, they are studying and making something of themselves and think differently.

                                                                                        Americans ought to look to Brazil as an example of a practical way of applying taxpayer's money in social programs. Families receive money, if and only if, the children attend school, get good grades, and receive vaccinations to avoid common childhood diseases. Pregnant women receive checks for only six months, after which they receive free care for their infants, but no money, until the child is of school age. The education department has a program for teenagers to work part time as assistants and office workers, if they are enrolled in school. All of the governement's programs promote growth, not stagnation. Finally, the Brazilian governement understands that business is key to providing jobs. There is no talk denigrating wealthy people or industry in general. There is the idea that industry ought to exist in order to provide jobs. People are encouraged to work hard and even to start their own businesses. It is as simple as buying for one and selling for two. It is time for Americans to act in a practical manner, to stop bad-mouthing the rich, get off their proverbial duffs, and begin appreciating the value of their own work to their own personal progress.

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                                                                                        #25.10 - Thu Oct 4, 2012 10:17 AM EDT
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