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DENVER – Colorado, the host of Wednesday’s first presidential debate, has offered Democrats a blueprint toward future political success as the state turns away from the attitudes and demographics that once made it a Republican stronghold.
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This combination of file pictures shows President Barack Obama removing his jacket after arriving at Tampa International Airport on September 20 in Tampa, Florida, and Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney putting on his jacket before departing Newark airport in New Jersey for Ohio where he will address a campaign rally on September 14, 2012.
The political terrain here has changed rapidly since the days when George W. Bush won the state by 9 points in 2000 and 5 points in his 2004 re-election bid. Rather, Colorado has become an incubator for Democratic success. The state was once dominated by Republicans, but Democrat Ken Salazar's 2004 Senate race victory helped break the GOP stranglehold. Democrats now hold the governorship and both Senate seats.
Slideshow: On the campaign trail
What has gone on here closely mirrors the political shifts happening at the national level. A growing Latino population has become increasingly Democratic, putting the GOP at a natural “disadvantage,” according to one state lawmaker. And Republican candidates face tremendous pressure to cater to influential conservatives in the party, giving Democrats ample space in the center for the general election.
“We’re Western Democrats. We’re very different from East Coast Democrats,” said Mike Melanson, a Democratic operative in Colorado and senior partner at OnSight Public Affairs. “And as long as you brand yourself in that tradition, then you, as a Democrat, can do well.”
That same story is now playing out in the presidential election. President Barack Obama has worked toward building Colorado into a Western foothold for Democrats as Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney shows signs of struggling to rally independents, women and Latinos both here and in a broad swath of other battleground states.
The Centennial State is now firmly battleground territory. Obama led Romney, 50 percent to 45 percent, among likely voters here in a Sept. 20 NBC News/Marist/Wall Street Journal poll.
Campaign senior adviser Kevin Madden explains Mitt Romney's mood heading into Wednesday's debate and how the team is interpreting the GOP nominee's recent decline in the polls.
Romney spent Monday evening courting voters in the Denver area and looking to make up ground versus Obama, just as he’ll try to do in Wednesday’s highly anticipated debate.
“These debates are an opportunity for each of us to describe the pathway forward for America that we would choose,” Romney told a crowd of about 5,500 in his last public event preceding Wednesday’s showdown.
The highly produced rally featured an appearance by Denver Broncos legend John Elway and a giant backdrop reading “J-O-B-S” as if to emphasize the theme of Romney’s remarks.
“I look forward to these debates. I’m delighted that we’re going to have three debates,” Romney said. “It’ll be a conversation with the American people that will span almost an entire month.”
Related: NBC/WSJ poll: Almost 40 percent say debates will be important
But the GOP hopeful’s struggles here are as deeply rooted as many of the Republican Party’s own broader, long-term political challenges.
The Latino vote, for instance, has grown in Colorado with each successive election, and has trended increasingly Democratic in the meanwhile.
Latinos accounted for 20.7 percent of Colorado residents in the 2010 Census, up from 17.1 percent a decade earlier. That growth has been particularly pronounced in suburban Denver. The Hispanic or Latino population grew 10 points, to 38.2 percent, in Adams County, and jumped from 11.8 percent of Arapahoe County in 2000 to 18.7 percent in 2010.
“The population shift has made Jefferson County a battleground county. At one time, it was solid red,” said State Rep. Jim Kerr, a Republican who hails from Jefferson, the third county to make up the Denver metro area.
The Latino population growth hasn’t been as pronounced in Jefferson County, but has still forced Republicans here to reckon with changing politics. Republicans’ tone toward Latinos and on the issue of immigration has threatened to drive those voters away from the GOP.
“The olive branch is there. There are the Tom Tancredos over our party,” said Kerr, referring to the former Colorado congressman who was a strident opponent of illegal immigration, “then there are the common-sense Republicans of our party … We’re trying to build a better message – to be a big tent party.”
Senior campaign adviser Robert Gibbs explains how President Barack Obama is preparing for Wednesday's debate and whether John Elway's endorsement of Mitt Romney will hurt the president's campaign.
Melanson pointed to the uptick in voters who don’t formally affiliate with either party as a driving force in Colorado politics. He argued that the state had shifted back toward the center after experiencing a kind of Republican renaissance around the turn of the century.
(That isn’t even to mention the disadvantage Romney faces with women. Obama leads Romney, 54 percent to 40 percent, among likely women voters, according to that NBC/WSJ/Marist poll. Obama beat Arizona Sen. John McCain by 15 points among women in 2008.)
Obama – whose 2008 nominating convention was here in Denver – was able to take advantage of these changes in Colorado when he defeated McCain four years ago. Obama beat McCain, who was one of a few Republican champions of immigration reform, 61 percent to 38 percent that year among Latinos.
The president seems poised to do the same in 2012. A national impreMedia/LatinoDecisions poll of registered Latino voters released Monday found Obama with a 73 percent to 21 percent advantage over Romney. The same poll found Democrats with a 69 percent to 22 percent advantage over Republicans on the generic congressional ballot.
The challenge for Romney is to erase some of these deficits – with women, with Latinos, with unaffiliated voters – in the next month.
“If Mitt Romney could have been Gov. Romney, I think he could have done much better in Colorado,” said Melanson, who argued that attacks questioning Romney’s authentic positions on issues have been especially damaging in Colorado.
“Once that question gets in your head, you’ve lost a lot of Western voters,” he said.
Fmr. Sen. John Sununu discuss the 2012 campaign, the upcoming debate, outlook for Mitt Romney, and whether he expects New Hampshire to vote in November.
Republicans had been able to survive here in the past by rallying voters from outlying areas and winning over evangelical hotbeds like Colorado Springs. Those voters make up the base of the party here, and dominate the nominating process. But their support isn’t enough on its own to win a general election. Moreover, Romney hasn’t always excelled with those voters; former Pennsylvania Sen. Rick Santorum upset Romney here during the Republican primary and laid bare Romney’s difficulties in winning that group.
Said one voter named Steve (who declined to give his last name), a property manager from Aurora who attended Romney’s rally Monday evening: “I find him milquetoast, like McCain. But I would vote for a milquetoast candidate over Obama any day because I am a conservative.”
In essence, the GOP’s broader woes – unforgiving demographic changes, skeptical moderates and a Republican base that demands ideological fealty – are laid bare in Colorado.
Whether Romney can reverse that slide, let alone accomplish such a herculean task in the next 35 days, is another question.
“There are three things in politics. There’s money, there’s message and there’s the messenger,” said Kerr. “Romney’s a good messenger; Obama’s a very good messenger.”
“So Romney’s got to work on his message,” he added.
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Sure with stories like this, The great people of Colorado will be swarming to the Blue Team:
Real Unemployment Reaches 20% In 7 Colorado Counties
September 28, 2012
DENVER — The slowest economic recovery since World War II is going especially slow for sections of Colorado, according to a letter from the Colorado Department of Labor and Employment (CDLE) obtained by The Colorado Observer.
In seven counties in Colorado unemployed individuals are close to or exceeding 20% of the population, a letter from the Chief Economist of CDLE to the U.S. Department of Agriculture says.
http://thecoloradoobserver.com/2012/09/real-unemployment-reaches-20-in-7-colorado-counties/
You all here at NBC have lost your minds.
In Michigan, the "REAL" unemployment is 19.65% ......those of us in the trenches know it's 'around 25%
This is another example of NBC/MSNBC acting at the biggest, most powerful Super PAC for 0bama. They will outright lie their asses off then turn to their own doctored polls and data to back themselves up. Just watch MSNBC for a few minutes and you will see that they even buy their own ad space to promote 0bama and bash Republicans.
Ah, the wild fantasies of the right wing lunatic fringe! I'm sure going to miss your crazed ravings after President Obama is reelected and you scuttle back under your rocks.
By the way, Michigan still trusts Obama much more than they do Willard. Just so you know.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/mi/michigan_romney_vs_obama-1811.html
In other words the story is pointing out that Republicans are the party of the past, the Dark Ages to be specific. Minorities and women don't like Republicans either.
Just white "conservatives" that don't like anyone non-white and non-Christian. Republicans are bankrupt... good luck beating Obama.
WOW, Overlord, not sure how you came to that conclusion. But that says a WHOLE LOT about you.
OOOOOOOOHHHHHH .........bogey man............Dark Ages.......ooooooohhhhhhh.........I SEE WHITE PEOPLE......oooooooohhhhhhh..........eeeeeeeeevilllllll........oooohhhhhh...
Uhhh, aren't YOU here???
the slowest economic recovery since WWII from the worst recession since the great depression e.g. pre-WWII. it took 16 years for this nation to recover from that one and you won't find an economist anywhere that actually holds a degree or several, that does not agree that this recession, very nearly a severe depression was the 2nd worst economic crisis to ever hit this nation. so now just three years later some expect government to have solved everything, overnight??? i don't care who is in the oval office nobody could repair the damage done over the previous decade in such a short time especially when you have a congress that we can all agree on, that does not work, cannot even come together on the simplest of issues like appointing judges?! as it stands out of all the western industrialized nations ours has fared by far the best since 09'. look at the UK, France, Spain, the rest of the EU, all are either hovering at 0% growth or are in negative territory with some nations unemployment at 25% and here we are complaining?? had this bunch of whiners been around for WWII we would have lost and we would all be speaking german now. if we want greatness again, if we want to be the best and succeed WE need to starting acting like one people and together! my family are independents or republicans some like obama some not but all are voting for him because the republicans in power once again have messed up their ticket with a bunch of elite or extremist losers. last time they ruined it with palin this time they ruined it with both candidates. IF?? they are still around, the rep. party, by next election hopefully sanity will be restored and candidates that fit with the middle class and what we feel to be important will be chosen. we are the forgotten middle and we absolutely do not and will never vote for elitist or extremists and that is what they have and continue to sadly put out there. i know only ONE person between friends, family and associates that is not voting for romney this time around and that says a lot about how distant and remote the party has drifted from main stream america, main stream coloradoans.
Which brings us to past, most notably with Obama's good pal, Bill Clintoon.
There are a few women that have a problem with Billy too.
I'm sure WE THE PEOPLE of Colorado (especially the women & Hispanics ) will vote for the candidate who best supports their interests. As will I.
Obama/Biden 2012
I'll be voting for the candidate that best supports the countries interests, but you can certainly do as you choose.
mikencolorado - I'm a little confused by your post. All but ONE of your family and friends ARE voting Romney or did you mistype?
Obama/Biden 2012
Well now doesn't that prove one thing Liberals concern for themselves first No surprise glad you pointed that out JoAnna
holly - you're clearly a little misinformed. Liberals support the President as he is working for ALL Americans. Mitt - just a very select few - but he does get amused that he's pulled the wool over the eyes of the ignorant on the far right!
Obama/Biden 2012
And which countries are those, Smiff?
"Said one voter named Steve (who declined to give his last name), a property manager from Aurora who attended Romney’s rally Monday evening: “I find him milquetoast, like McCain. But I would vote for a milquetoast candidate over Obama any day because I am a conservative.”"
I have to assume then Steve that youy would vote as my mother in law did back when...if the republicans ran a mule for office and claimed it would be great..she would have voted for it..just because. My problems with the republicans are easy to see..they started two wars and refused to pay for them while handing out tax cuts to the wealthy. while making claims of a trickle down economy which never happened in this country..unless you count all the jobs that left while Bush was in office.
WILLARD Mitt Romney was the namesake of WILLARD MARRIOTT and as such conveniently ended up on the board of directors of MARRIOTT and oversaw a TAX EVASION SCHEME which Marriott had to pay millions for in restitution to the IRS AND FINES, TOO! SO The REPUBLICAN Candidate who won't show us his tax returns and uses offshore tax schemes to evade his tax obligations that regular Americans pay not only oversaw a tax evasion scheme, but one that FAILED... AND, this is what you fools want to run (ruin) our country???!! Gee whiz, next thing ya know, we will be talking about the completely missing financial records of the 2002 Olympics which Mitt Romney "saved." OR, how Mitt "RETROACTIVELY" retired from Bain Capital in 1999 when he had been making money and deal thru 2002... Then, Mitt had to "RETROACTIVELY" change his TAX RETURNS during those years so he could qualify to run for governor of Massachussetts which requires SEVEN YEARS residency. Wow, it's like Mitt said he supports a woman's right for choice when running for governor of a heavily Democratic state, but during the Republican primary he's "pro-life" and wants to repeal Roe v. Wade, if elected. Repeal Obamacare, Voucherize Medicare (huge loss of coverage to beneficiaries), Privatize Social Security (another PROFITABLE takeover of a non-profit organization with a $2.5 TRILLION SURPLUS)... and so on. ***** VOTE FOR AMERICA ***** VOTE DEMOCRATIC ***** VOTE FOR AMERICA *****
Well, better a mule than a Jackass . My problems with the democrats are that they stole from SSI and Medicare and rerfused to pay it back, are wanting to raise taxes and spend spend spend all while handing out money to any one for their vote.
Romney/Ryan 2012
Although Republicans repeat this often, it just isn't true!
Atlantic, Aug 4, 2012, link:
Romney economic adviser Glenn Hubbard apparently has a very short memory.
"We are currently in the most anemic economic recovery in the memory of most Americans."
Does the memory of most Americans go back a decade? If it does, then they can remember a more anemic recovery -- at least when it comes to jobs. The post-2001 recovery had the slowest job growth of any postwar recovery. It also had the slowest private sector growth of any postwar recovery. It's puzzling that Hubbard doesn't remember this, considering that he was the chair of President George W. Bush's Council of Economic Advisors from 2001 to 2003.
More msnbc libtard horsesh!t. Nothing more than a democrat ad.
The White House is not the place to practice affirmative action.
We have all learned that from the last election and paid dearly for the error.
2012 THE END OF AN ERROR
Elliot can you offer us some PROOF that the polls are "doctored"? I mean some REAL proof, not your beliefs that they are. Also, those of you Repugs who don't want to hear this, keep sticking your fingers in your ears and yelling "LALALALALALALALALA" in hopes of drowning out the truth. The FACTS of the matter are that the Democrats are winning and the Repugs are losing; most people simply do not buy into the new extremist Repug Party dominated by the Tea Klux Klan and looney right wing nutjobs. You've gone from being a center-right party to being a far right-wing extremist party. And the more extreme you Repugs become, the more elections you will lose. Congratulations on your new status as a permanent minority party.
Well, that pretty much sums up the GOP dilemma in a nutshell, doesn't it? Nothing like freezing out the Independents and moderates from your voting block.
PG8OTARD, when President Obama wins reelection on November 6, will you promise to come back here and tell everyone that you are a 'tard and have no idea what you are talking about? Will you promise on November 6, as President Obama is elected to a second term, you'll come back and admit that you are just a sour little grape who is mad because the majority of the American people disagreed with you and your extremist ideology two elections in a row? Since you are so convinced that President Obama's lead is fake and the "liberal media" is making this all up, you should have no problem promising this. Liberal Bias - what the Tea Klux Klan and the right-wing nutjobs call an INFORMED OPINION. OBAMA/BIDEN 2012!!!! HILLARY 2016!!!!
If a Republican is the current president the democrat challenger always claims "this is the worst economy since the great depression." Think Dukakis, Clinton, Kerry or Obama. When Obama was claiming this in 2008, unemployment was at 4.5% or less, and we still had positive GDP far exceeding what Obama has accomplished. Now he is president, the GDP is only a +1.8% even with it compared to his anemic results from last year. Unemployment hasn't been below 8.1% in years and the real rate of unemployment is approximately 20% given that the administration fudges the numbers. So what's your point EEngineer? The table was set by democrats for democrats and the anointed one still can't pull his fat out of the fire. Obama owns this lousy economy, and he can't blame Bush anymore. If wants re-election, he should have to make his case. So far I would grade him a solid D-.
W C A: Tell us where ALL those jobs are that the Republicans promised after the "shellacking"?
Voting for the GOP is like voting for the 14th century.
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A Romney /Ryan administration will mean the end of the Mortgage deduction. Why do you think they won't give details on what deductions they will eliminate? All you Republican middle class home owners better wake up before it's too late. Demand a detailed list from your boys, see if you get it.
So if it took 16 years to recover from whatever recession you are telling me you are fine if Obama doesn't get the economy rolling in TWO presidencies? We're going to be hearing the Bush excuse if he gets re-elected his whole second term? You give the excuse that congress is disfunctional, isn't his job to be a LEADER and find a way to get them to work together? Don't you think they will still be divided his whole second term? And haven't you noticed more class warfare and race division since he has been in office? Shouldn't he be getting everyone to work together and look past all this nonsense that is diverting everyone's attention from the real issues. He has been a piss poor leader. All I ever hear is excuses for his failures. And the excuse that he didn't realize how big of a mess he was coming into. How could Obama not know the mess we were in, he was a senator for three years! Stop all this political party nonsense. He isn't an effective president. Vote him out. And I bought into his nonsense promises last election.
This alone shows that the polls were doctored. 45+50=<100
I HIGHLY doubt that 5% of the state will vote independent...
Vyor: So no one could possibly be undecided or voting third party?
The moral of the story is: if it looks like sh*t, smells like sh*t, tast like sh*t...it probably is sh*t. Good luck GOP.
I never said that AG. Everywhere else the polls show 2-3% is undecided, none have shown a 4%, the inde vote has never been over 1%... what was your point again?
@ Jason-1425018 Have you ever considered that perhaps our nations representatives should conduct themselves in such a manner as to set all personal differences aside and "represent" the people? Do you actually think that they should need a babysitter to bring them together? It shouldn't be the "leaders" job to try and get all the school yard bullies to work together. That's precisely what they were elected to do. If they can't seem to work toward the betterment of this country, they shouldn't be in office. Plain and simple.
I don't see it as his failure, it's our representatives failure. The two parties just enjoy the pissing match too much to accomplish anything good. It's all about the kill...kill anything the opposing party can accomplish...especially if it makes them look good. You can't be that stupid regarding politics can you? The excuse is valid and will always remain the same...the oposing party won't allow this to pass.
“Sending millionaires unemployment checks is a case study in out-of-control spending,” U.S. Senator Tom Coburn, an Oklahoma Republican, said in an e-mail. “Providing welfare to the wealthy undermines the program for those who need it most while burdening future generations with senseless debt.” ...Senator Tom Coburn, an Oklahoma Republican!
This is interesting to me (I consider myself independent ) I live in Portland OR . There is a mayoral race here .The 2 candidates are both democrats . If a Republican were to run as mayor ---That would be hilarious .
since I have lived here for the last 20 years -I have never seen a Republican run for Mayor . What would be more fun if you were trying to get elected as a republican mayor of Portland . Either take all your money you have made from supporters and try and run for mayor or ----Just burn it all . The results would be the same .
We have a proposal pending here in Michigan, Proposal 2, which enshrines collective bargaining in our state constitution. The right wingers ae going nuts and aired a commercial claiming that Unions will protect sexual predators who will prey on our unsuspecting school children.
In response some guy posted this in the newspaper:
"I am told there is a television commercial airing in Detroit that says if Proposal 2 is adopted then our vulnerable children will be awash in Union-protected sexual predators.
Evidently there are packs of deranged Union members waiting to forcibly sodomize and sexually assault school children because, once in a Union , depraved perverts are somehow magically immune to criminal prosecution. The ad conveniently ignores the news of women teachers imprisoned for affairs with under-age students. They didn't seem to escape prosecution did they?
The shadow group attempting to foist this fiction will not disclose their identity or funding sources. The Republican, Reich-wing war on the Union-represented middle class continues, and in war, it has been said, truth is the first casualty. I pity the vacuous people who buy into this tripe.
So look out kiddies, Miss Crabtree, and the bus driver lie in dark school hallways waiting to dart out from the shadows and drag you, screaming, into non-consenting sex using their magic Union card as a legal action cloaking device.
Some express perversion with sex. Others rape truth using TV commercials."
Dude sez it all.....
This is funny -- we have all these people who don't live in Colorado telling us what's going on.
Now for something Republicans hate ---- reality. In most counties, the economy is doing well. Oil and gas drilling is booming and wind and solar energy are doing well also. Property values are coming back. Over 20 homes are under construction within a 2 mile radius of my home. But most important --- we westerners across the board tend to libertarian on social issues. We don't want the government snooping around in our private lives. The LAST thing we want is some power hungry "Christian" snooping around our personal lives.
Did Colorado hand out a big load of stupid? How could ANYONE vote for Barry after the last four years?
Charlie..... Damn straight!!!
Vyor Derfa......
I believe his point is that you don't know what you're talking about. Notice your use of the words "everywhere else." See Vyor, this article isn't about everywhere else, but it's about COLORADO. See it's a different state, and it has it's own unique dynamics. If you really want to know what the discrepancy is linked to, go ahead and email the pollsters at NBC/Marist/Wall Street Journal and ask. When you get a response, please feel free to share it with the community here.
Steve.... you better get used to being a minority. The GOP only appeals to guys like you, but I'm not sure if you can pass out a "load" of stupid, or if you've just built up a dearth of it over all these years. Fortunately, Colorado is a great state with people that generally agree with the rest of the country. Maybe your GOP and Tea Bagger friends should have run a mule as their nominee this year. It certainly wouldn't have been able to stick its foot in its mouth so many times, and everyone would've already accepted that it wouldn't REALLY be making any decisions on its own, if it were elected, anyways.
Colorado would not be so blue if NBC reported truth on how Obama has fail and is ready to drive this country into socialism then sleuth23 would be better informed on how useless Obama really is.
MSNBC isn't your problem Republicans --- Mitt Romney is.
The conservatives of the new Nazi Republican Party are driving us so far to the right that we will need to try to keep some socialism so we stay int he center.
Consider:
1. Voter ID's were used by the Nazi's to prevent and limit certain groups from voting in Germany in the 30's and 40's. Jews and Gypsies for one, but also the poor. Sound familiar? Thank goodness judges are ruling many of the voter ID Laws passed by the Nazi Republicans as Unconstitutional.
2. The Robert's Court got PACS. and unlimited spending for campaigns approved. Nazi Germany had their Supreme Court to do the same so industrialists could contribute unlimited amounts of money to they could make huge profits when war came.
3. Fraud in voter registration which the republicans have claimed hurt them has now been found in large numbers in 10 Florida counties, with fake names, addresses, ad other information. In California people not checking their party affiliation have found that in ALL cases the republican party box was checked for them? Nazi's did that as well, mainly in the 30's.
4.Running fake candidates like the republicans did in Wisconsin to confuse the voters. (The heck with democracy and the truth) Nazi's did the same thing, but running fake Christian Democrats to confuse German voters. Scarey to me, but probably not to you conservatives as it is all part of you plans and tools? Right!
National Trends leading to Democratic strategies?! Do you mean strategies like Obama the Food Stamp President's plan to make as many Americans as possible victims and dependant on government handouts in an effort to enslave them? Do you mean the Obama the Socialist's plan to expand that 47% of Americans that are on the government teat to as close to 100% as possible? Do you mean Obama the Marxist's plan to fundamentally change America into a third world communist country?
Are those the Democratic strategies your promoting NBC?!
You have confused Obama with George W. Bush. No other president did more to put people out of work, onto food stamps and dependent on government handouts than George W. Bush.
True News of the day.. ..... ... More brave Americans die under the inept obama( Ambassador Stevens& crew, another dead soldier from Afghanistan)
Gov. Brewer said..
"What happens next has become all-too-familiar in Arizona: Flags will be lowered in honor of the slain agent. Elected officials will vow to find those responsible. Arizonans, and Americans will grieve – and they should.
"But this ought not only be a day of tears," Brewer added. "There should be anger, too. Righteous anger – at the kind of evil that causes sorrow this deep, and at the federal failure and political stalemate that has left our border unsecured and our Border Patrol in harm's way.
"Four fallen agents in less than two years is the result."
Brewer then attacked the Obama White House for an observation it made in 2011 about security at the border.
"It has been 558 days since the Obama administration declared the security of the U.S.-Mexico border 'better now than it has ever been.' I'll remember that statement today."
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Well now doesn't that prove one thing Liberals concern for themselves first No surprise glad you pointed that out JoAnna
holly,
Thank you for pointing out that many Republicans, especially middle class Republicans, will vote against their own best interests. Mitt Romney is telling you to your face that he will institute the exact same policies that caused the worst economic disaster in nearly 100 years, and you think that is a good idea, even though these policies will increase your taxes and lower those of the very wealthy.
Anyone who votes against their own best interests can reasonably be called stupid... or Republican.
I think the traditonal "strongholds" need to be thrown out the window. The pollsters will be flabergasted at the results on 11/6/12. Just sayin.....
Well, Oscar, it's obvious someone is going to be flabbergasted after the election results are released. I don't think it's going to be the pollsters, though.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/2012_elections_electoral_college_map.html
OK, Sailcat. Whatever you say. As long as you're safe and secure in your insulated world of ONE pollster's opinion,.
How about SEVEN pollsters' opinions, Oscar? Or is that just too much reality for you, little guy?
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/us/general_election_romney_vs_obama-1171.html
Of corse the pollsters wont be surprised. Toward the end of the election they will magically true their polling data to protect their integrity. Polls had 0bama up 14 points over McCain one week before the election that 0bama only one by 6. The last pole before the election had 0bama up only 8. They had to cover their asses and do an undoctored poll to protect their integrity.
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Journalism/2012/10/01/Media-Respond-to-Being-Challenged-on-Poll-Data
Uhh Oscar, aggregate polls like Nate and 538 have Obama up by a pretty large margin.
538? a blog from the New York Times?
They don't have an agenda....
Well then WOR it's over, eh?
Why even have an election?
Congratulations. Your guy has won.
Huh? What's that? We still have to vote? Well what say we just wait until November 6th and see what happens, cuz I'm pretty sure your buddy Nate Silver only gets one vote.
OK, I'm not one to "succumb to polls," like some diehard FR pundits.......JUST SAYIN'.......that all "you people" who believe in the polls may be surprised when it .....doesn't....quite.....turn out.....as you hoped it would......
i.e. the use of "traditional strongholds".......just sayin
give them time and it will be a coronation for King. One party rule has always been so successful long term for the common rabble. Im glad we now have polls deciding our elected officials. Just have BCS do it and all will be well
What Oscar is really saying is, "Evidence? I don't need no steenking evidence!"
Your dark, smelly fantasy world must be far more comforting to you than reality, Oscar, for you to reject the results of multiple polls and the clear evidence that Romney's campaign is crashing and burning. Still, despite the fact that President Obama is going to be reelected, you still have Santa to look forward to, don't you, Oscar?
WOW, Sailcat.....still reeling from....HOW IN THE FREAKIN' WORLD you came to that conclusion from what I posted. WOW. FREAKIN' WOW. I, to this day, just CAN NOT understand how the liberal FREAKIN' mind works. WOW.
GOP reviews turning negative on Romney's campaign
http://news.yahoo.com/gop-reviews-turning-negative-romneys-campaign-165237654--election.html
It's called "logic" and "critical thought", Oscar. Concepts with which you are lamentably unfamiliar.
Sailcat - I believe you're trying to communicate with a total void!
Obama/Biden 2012
While you just did.
Love your posts, Sailcat. Always very intelligent and spot on.
"logic" and "critical thought' says the one believing in Santa. LOL!!! When you can't dispute anything I've said in a logical and critical manner, just resort to name-calling and "fantasy" comparisons. Get back to me when you have something factual and debatable to say, Sailcat.
The hard reality that the GOP has yet to face is that they have, at best, 10-20 years left to their life. By the year 2030, WASPs are expected to be a MINORITY in the US.
Since the GOP has put 100% of its voting power into the hands of conservative, extremist evangelical christians, they will soon find that they are unable to generate even 15% of the total vote.
Let's hope they get taught that lesson in November.
Oscar, Elliot, and Company, your whining about the media is the same things as a sports team blaming its losses on the Refs. Typical Repugs won't accept responsibility for their actions. It always has to be someone elses fault. "The reason we are losing is the media is against us. Liberal bias in the media." How about, "We are losing because most people don't buy into our extremist ideology or our radical right-wing agenda?" How about some personal responsibility for a change?
ROMNEY/RYAN 2012
This alone shows that the polls were doctored. 45+50=<100
I HIGHLY doubt that 5% of the state will vote independent... just sayin...
"There’s money, there’s message and there’s the messenger" Romney, lacking a message, makes up in money!
Evan Romney's Money can't over come the Lame message & messenger.
White Collar Auto: I live in Colorado. The seven counties mentioned in the article you cited are rural, with small populations, and nearly always vote Republican. The bulk of the voters in Colorado live in the "Front Range" (a 20-mile wide strip of land that stretches from Fort Collins & Greeley in the north, through Denver, to Colorado Springs and Pueblo in the south). That is where the election will be decided. Not in the seven counties you mentioned.
I love it! You can already tell how desperate the right wing extremists and dellusionaries are. They get on here and cry about this or whine about that, yet I never see one of them, not a single one of them, offer up a reason that Romney winning this election is good for the country. I remember him talking about getting specific a few weeks ago, but have any of you righties gotten any details yet, or are details just something you're not concerned with? Such a delight watching all of you mental midgets pleading your oath of fealty to your feudal lord, without even expecting anything in return. Bush and Willard are two best things that have happened to the Democratic party in 30 years. Thanks guys!!
Obama/Biden 2012
Got a better idea. How bout we wait'll Nov 7th.
1."Mr.Flip Flop Romnut, explain to everybody how placing your money into shelters overseas so you can get away with paying less then 14 percent in annual taxes is helping Americans?"
2."Mr. Flip Flop Romnut, do you send the bulk of your money overseas because you value the trade of other countries over America's, or did you send your money over there so you didn't have to pay as much in taxes as everybody else does?"
3."Mr. Flip Flop Romnut, you like to say that you pay what you owe in taxes and not a dollar more. What if the vast majority of America thinks you should pay a lot more? Do you agree with the majority of American people and pay more taxes or tell them you don't care and don't want their votes anyways?"
4. "Mr. Flip Flop Romnut, do you think all Americans should pay less then 14 percent of their annual incomes to taxes, like you do, even though that would plunge this great nation into third-world status almost immediately?
5."Mr. Flip Flop Romnut only the rich could take advantage of loopholes you have used to insure you pay less in taxes then almost all Americans who pay taxes. Should that be how America's tax code works? Should rich people, like yourself, pay smaller percent of your income to taxes when people like our
military, cops, social workers, firefighters have to pay a great deal more?
HEY VoMItt WHERE ARE YOUR TAX RETURNS AND YOUR SWISS BANK ACCOUNTS AND YOUR BERMUDA BANK ACCOUNTS AND YOUR CAYMAN IS. BANK ACCOUNTS?
Mittens is a tax cheat and a thief who has stolen from the American people and the US Treasury
Elliot and the rest of you fantasy world Republicans – when are you going to come back to the real world? We DO NOT have a massive left wing conspiracy to stack the pooling data. Even Fox News and Rasmussen have President Obama winning. And the so called “liberal media isn't the problem. Ronald Reagan won 49 stated before Fox News and Rush Limbaugh even existed. Your problem is Mitt Romney. He’s a lousy candidate, who picked a lousy running mate and both are running a lousy campaign with no ideas about how to fix anything other than the failed policies of the past. The proof is the fact that this election is even close. With the economy in the shape it’s in, the opposition party would normally be way ahead. But President Obama will be reelected. And --- if Republicans don’t come up with new ideas and new faces by 2016, we just may have another President Clinton
Where did the coherent discussions go. Most of you are not any better than the mud slinging politicians you favor. These same things happend 40 years ago, and 40 years before that. It is the same rhetoric every 4 years and nobody can come up with a good answer to fix the problem. It is to bad (It seems, just my opinion) none of you actually have read a history book and recognize the repeating of the same issues because no one can learn from the past. You think this countries problems began 12 years ago. I have news for you. They began long before any of you were a twinkle in your parents eye. History seems to cycle every 40 years. Why do you ask, look at the different generations, they seem to change in about those cycles.
We all need to remember, our elected officials work for us, and if they are not doing the job we believe they should be doing then fire them and get someone else. I for one believe the president has not done his job, and neither has the party he represents. I also feel the republican party has failed as well over the last four years.
When secret deals, non-communication between constituents and ideas are tabled because they do not coincide with your personal opinion and plan, human nature evolves and emotions override rational thought.
I think there has been a serious break down in the system,someone who has a high opinion of themselves, displaying arrogance, and micro management of others cannot, or does not have the ability to pull people together for singlecause. The narcissistic attitude that emanatesfrom the political ad's show just how far the people of this country have degraded too, when they agree with the slanderous accusations being broadcast.
elliot, you dis All of the poll takers and use breitbart for credibility. Good luck
True News of the day.. ..... ... More brave Americans die under the inept obama( Ambassador Stevens& crew, another dead soldier from Afghanistan)
Gov. Brewer said..
"What happens next has become all-too-familiar in Arizona: Flags will be lowered in honor of the slain agent. Elected officials will vow to find those responsible. Arizonans, and Americans will grieve – and they should.
"But this ought not only be a day of tears," Brewer added. "There should be anger, too. Righteous anger – at the kind of evil that causes sorrow this deep, and at the federal failure and political stalemate that has left our border unsecured and our Border Patrol in harm's way.
"Four fallen agents in less than two years is the result."
Brewer then attacked the Obama White House for an observation it made in 2011 about security at the border.
"It has been 558 days since the Obama administration declared the security of the U.S.-Mexico border 'better now than it has ever been.' I'll remember that statement today."
"National Trends" my aaaaaaaaaaaaarse!!!!!!! LOL!!!
So, you prefer the "trailer park trends" that conform to your insane fantasies, then? Sounds about right.
Don't be an elitist, it's "mobile modular housing".
Sailcat, not sure why you resort to PERSONAL ATTACKS. I just expressed an opinion. Do you not like that?????
remember progressives are tolerant...
Just callin' them as I see them, Oscar. Deal with it.
And remember, conservatives are liars, right, Caesar? We've already established that fact pretty conclusively, haven't we? But it's safe to say the center is far more tolerant than your feeble-minded candidate.
"I like those fancy raincoats you bought. Really sprung for the big bucks." —Mitt Romney, making fun of fans wearing plastic ponchos during a visit to the site of the Daytona 500 Nascar race in Florida, Feb. 26, 2012
"I like those fancy raincoats you bought. Really sprung for the big bucks." —Mitt Romney, making fun of fans wearing plastic ponchos during a visit to the site of the Daytona 500 Nascar race in Florida, Feb. 26, 2012
"I have some great friends who are NASCAR team owners." —Mitt Romney, after being asked whether he follows NASCAR racing (February 2012)
WOW. how very TOLERANT of you, Sailcat. What a FINE representation of the liberals you represent. WOW. Not sure how you "established" that "conservatives are liars" except in your own little mind.......
people are liars Sailcat, not all of us can be uberProgressive all knowing silver tongues.
Well, if it's worth saying at all, it's worth saying twice! Romney has no respect or connection to the middle class. That is why he is losing this election.
True, Caesar, and you certainly don't have the intellectual horsepower to operate a coherent tongue, silver or otherwise, do you?
Thank you, Oscar. Tolerance comes with respect and until you gather your wits about you and earn it, you will continue to receive generous helpings of the contempt you and your degenerate ilk enjoy here on this site and in your personal lives. You seem a bit sensitive, though: hit a nerve, did I?
Listen, there is nothing I'd like more than to stick around and watch you guys flounder around in this battle of "wits", but I am leaving. Unlike you poor souls, I have a life. Enjoy yourselves!
RUNN!!!!!, Sailcat, RUN!!!!.....when all else fails.....
Sailcat left you in the dust a long time ago. . . .
How so, Port in Jack's mouth??? In your own, as Sailcat would say, FANTASY WORLD?????? LOL!!!
I love the ongoing debates. Please don't go Sailcat.
You liberals like to say conservatives ignore fact, some probably do, I as an independent, wouldn't know what most of them think. I have however, seen both sides resort to biased personal attacks, liberals more than conservatives. Now, when one of you(either side) wants to ask me why I would make taxes a flat tax, or why I would have an export tax for exported oil/gas, come back to me.
Vyor....repeat much...don't u get it??? no one cares. So go back to your cross-words AND have a nice cup of TEA!
Good Job SAILCAT
Notice how Oscar Fools and PIZZA BOY have such low numbers on their rating
BECAUSE THEY ARE LOSING THE ARGUMENT and are PROMOTING YOURS
GREAT JOB!
Oscar, you leave yourself wide open claiming "opinion" as a defence. As you well know opinions are like rectums, everybody has one, but yours stinks. I appologise for that but you seem like you were asking for flagilation and I obliged.
Want a preview of the debate? Neither candidate will answer the questions that they're asked. They'll work in a couple of sound bites. The Rep pundits will say Romney won and the Dem pundits will say Obama won.
You wish, Obama will be sane and Romney will lie (as usual) and people will see him for the fraud he is.
Not sure Obama will "win" but Romney certainly will lose. He won't give any details about his plans for taxes and the economy and that will destroy him. If he does give details he's toast... either way he's done.
"Over"-Can you give us "details" on Obama's plan to get our economy going? Didn't think so.
Pres. Obama doesn't need to make the case for his reelection. That's done.
Romney-hood is the one that has to out perform his dismal act to date.
Luke: I can tell you that my husband & I bought our dream house for cash. I can tell you that we listed our old home June 1 and had it sold (for the asking price) by Sept 14th. My Realtor said she was so busy she had to hire someone to help her. For all you doom & gloomers-when the housing market picks up so does the construction industry which feeds many of our fellow Americans. I know that the POTUS understands more about the middle class than Mr. Romney ever could. I know the POTUS supports gay marriage and so do I. I know President Obama supports a womans right to choose and so do I. I also understand that Mr. Romney has a 'problem' with our veterans and our elderly getting much needed assistance. I understand that Mr. Romney supports (and is guided by) the 1%. I will never be a 1%. I am a liberal Democrat and I believe that the POTUS is working for my best interests.
Obama/Biden 2012
Peace - just an FYI - they're selling even faster now. Home prices are rising and sales are up. It's a good sign although we still have to be cautious. President Obama has done a great job even though those Republicans in Congress have tried to obstruct everything he has proposed.
Obama/Biden 2012
Seeking: I believe our POTUS is doing a great job too...in SPITE of the Republicans. Hopefully Mr. Romney will continue his typical modus operandi with the debates ....(LOL)
Bought my house for $159,000.....market price is $100,000. How's that for you, Peace???? It's all relative, I guess. Who you tryin' to fool?????
lukewarm: The plan is to get the TPRepubs out of the way.
Oscar: Location, location, location. Sucks to be you.
Oscar: I would never, ever try to slip one by you........
I agree, blearyeyed. One canNOT take a singular situation and apply it across a whole spectrum.
Thanks.
I bought my house to make a home, it's worked out really well. I don't care about the market, to me it's a home full of priceless memory's.
After over a year of Romney refusing any details of his tax plan today he offered a few specifics, the day before the debates. Romney states by putting caps on deductions he could offset some of the taxcut. Even though economists state eliminating all deductions for those over $250,000 won't offset half his tax cuts unless he increases capital gains and he says he won't and you know he won't eliminate all deductions for high income tax payers they'd go nuts. At least he's come up with some kind of detail so he can deny he's refusing any details. Most of his faithful accept lack of details or numbers that don't work. Will the undecided?
Larry
Hold on to your a%s Ryan's plan calls for the home deduction to be eliminated. WOW There goes the American Dream. First time in 20 years my local Board of Realtors is pushing Dems. They even sent me a filled out voter request to have a ballot by mail. That helps the Dems.
Also i just heard MORE states have thrown out the "VOTER Repression" laws tried by the REP/TEAS.
Funny....the GOP has also (because of being Caught in Voter Fraud) announced they will stop all their voter registration efforts. WOW. Must Suck to be them.
ALL Dems in 2012
I hope you're not right, I expect more from our president than that, but somehow it sounded so realistic that I cracked up laughing. I know Obama is a formidable politician, but I want more out of him than that. I want him to remind people WHY he was the rockstar president when he was the president elect almost 4 years ago. I want the same cool cucumber that ordered the hit on osama to be in our view for the debates, I have high expectations no matter how much the campaigns downplay the debates. If Obama is unable to portray himself as the man I believe him to be, then I will worry for his chances to win re-election. It's not that I don't believe the polls, I just don't want overconfidence to keep democratic voters at home!
Jersey Mike,I am inclined to agree with your assessment. Kennedy was a master. I still remember his response to every question, "But first let me say this." He did not answer the first question..Because of that I voted R. I was impressed with his, and my, war record as much as I am unimpressed with Romneys' war record
I see a lot of bad-mouthing going on ,on both sides. Thats normal, you sling a little mud, you catch a little mud. In time of need, most of us stand up to fight. What to me is not normal, is how anyone can vote for a draft dodging coward.
Oscar Rules - "Bought my house for $159,000.....market price is $100,000. How's that for you, Peace???? It's all relative, I guess. Who you tryin' to fool?????"
TOO BAD SUCKER!!
Bought mine in Jan 2005 for $145k, went up to $225k in early 2008. Did a modification in 2010 got my 30 year down to 4.25% through Obama Administration's Making Homes Affordable program. Did a small addition (garage conversion) with the monthly mortgage savings.
Today it's at $188k market price. And I'm self employed!
Oscar Rules you're typically short sighted and rash with your money. Nothing like buying too high and having to potentially sell too low. If you just sit tight and live in that hovel for another 3-5 years you'll be fine. At least be able to break even.
Everything is cyclical, even our economy as is now apparent with it's gradual resurrection under Obama's administration. But you wouldn't see that though with your obvious knee-jerk decision making issues.
Rmoney camp and supporters,
Bwahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The real problem is that people in this country aren't being informed by the media, they are being persuaded. If Obama's record was trotted out by the media, he would be losing right now but they refuse to discuss the state of our economy. Latino's and blacks in particular are suffering huge unemployment but they continue to vote for the failed leader in the White House. Go figure!
They do figure, they figure that Romney will have them back as indentured servants to feed and brush his dancing, therapy horse.
lukewarm ....
The real problem is that people such as yourself don't appear to go beyond the news media and read a little history. What exactly is Mitt's record? For Obamacare (he "grandfathered" it), against it? (I will repeal it on day one). The President is moving this economy slowly and surely toward higher ground. Mitt&Co want to take it right back to where it was in 2008.
Obama/Biden 2012
Luke, it is the old story about the emporers new clothes, he was naked but no one had a clue.
They have the sheeple state of mind where they were lied to so many times by the democrats that they began to believe it.
Now what record would that be? This?:
... the numbers for Bush's last three months. Between October and November, 597,000 jobs were lost; between November and December, 681,000 were lost; and between December and January, 741,000 were lost.
August 30, 2012 -- The private sector created, on average, about 157,000 jobs a month in the past 29 months — a pace somewhat faster than population growth.
DJIA Dec 1, 2008 8149
DJIA Oct 2, 2012 13483
Dec. 29, 2008 (Bloomberg) -- U.S. corporate earnings fell for a sixth-straight quarter, the longest streak in at least 20 years, as consumer spending on automobiles, homes and retailers collapsed.
Jul 31, 2012 (Bloomberg) -- Profits for companies in the Standard & Poor’s 500 Index have grown for 10 straight quarters, helping to power the index to a more than twofold increase since March 2009.
Or maybe this:
Home prices are finally rising nationally, according to same sales in the S&P Case-Shiller Home Price Index. It showed that all three headline composites ended the second quarter of 2012 with positive annual growth rates for the first time since the summer of 2010. The national composite was up 1.2 percent in the second quarter of 2012 versus the second quarter of 2011, and was up 6.9 percent versus the first quarter of 2012.
Or possibly this:
Home prices nationwide, including distressed sales, increased on a year-over-year basis by 2.5 percent in June 2012 compared to June 2011, says Corelogic’s June Home Price Index, which closely follows the S&P Case-Shiller Home Price Index, without seasonal adjustments. On a month-over-month basis, including distressed sales, home prices increased by 1.3 percent in June 2012 compared to May 2012, a huge jump. “The June 2012 figures mark the fourth consecutive increase in home prices nationally on both a year-over-year and month-over-month basis,” said Corelogic.
No matter what doom and gloom Republicans spread, the fact is, things are getting better. And people remember just how badly the last Republican government mishandled the economy! It has nothing to do with media bias!
Bush started his first term with a mild recession. After 8 years of unfunded spending and a 400 billion a year tax cut with 70% going to the richest Americans we ended up with the worst depression since 1929. Romney's running on a plan to cut taxes 500 billion a year with 70% going to the richest Americans...............Can you say Deja vue? Democrats do think that's why we won't buy the same non sense Bush sold us just because he isn't Bush. Try spinning how what failed under Bush will be a glaring success under Romney. Trickle down doesn't work it just makes the rich richer. In 1980 before Reagan the 1% owned 10% of this countries net worth now it's 24%. The 400 richest people on Forbes have a combined net worth that exceeds the bottom 60% or 185 million people. Do they really need another tax break? Isn't Romney's 10.3% actual tax rate last year low enough? he donated 30% to charity to bump his taxes higher so he'd look better.
Luke warm
Back it up cupcake. What ARE you yapping about? FACTS/ PROOF Only.
Larry...
This recession was ( is ) hardly comparable to 1929. Not even close.
Bush caught a recession early and a severe downturn from 9/11.
Go check his growth and unemployment numbers that were really pretty darn good until and only until he was given Pelossi and Reid to block his progress
HEY FAT BOY
Bush / Cheney arguably the worst presidency in American history
It was on their watch that 9/11 took place: it was Bush who failed to kill or capture bin Laden: it was Bush / Cheney who failed to destroy Al Qaida and the Taliban after 8 years of war: It was Bush / Cheney who lied to the entire world about WMD in Iraq: It was Bush / Cheney who turned a record Federal surplus
into a record deficit: It was Bush / Cheney who created the conditions that have lead to the biggest economic crises in since the great depression: it was Bush / Cheney who failed to act when New Orleans was hit with a natural disaster; It was Bush / Cheney who destroyed Americas standing in the world and
And where was Dick Head Cheney while all this was going on HIDING IN AN UNDISCLOSED LOCATION JUST LIKE the WIMP DID DURING THE ENTIRE VIETNAM WAR Bush was just Drunk all the time
Old fat guy: Considering when Bush took office the unemployment rate was 4.2% and he spent massively funding his wars he didn't do well. Hundreds of thousands of jobs were created to fund the wars, homeland security and all the trappings. As far as the meltdown in 2008 it was the worst since 1929, I never said as bad though according to Bush's secretary Paulson without the stimulus program it could have been. What would have happened had we let all the banks collapse as many supported? The loss of jobs,national net worth, all of our major banks and investment houses would've collapsed without the bailout and a housing collapse which was the worst since 1929. Nothing since then was even close. I'll give Bush credit for preventing a total meltdown but hold him accountable for creating it to begin with.
Nope! Lies!
Not too long ago, Obama was blasted for creating only 163,000 jobs in one month (the month of August).
Well, I went looking. The BLS has monthly job creation data for all of Bush's two terms. How many months do you suppose Bush managed to create 160,000 jobs or more? In 8 years, 96 months, there were only 9 months that Bush managed to create 160,000 jobs or more! Less than 10% of the time. Download the data and check it yourself!
Daily Finance, Jan 15, 2009:
True, for a while, aided by lower interest rates, and dozens of new mortgage products, GDP growth hit adequate levels of 3.6%, 2.95%, and 2.8% in 2004-2006, but too often the consumption-led commerce gains were fueled by unsustainable sources: home-equity loans, refinances, and house sale gains, not job creation and new sectors of growth. [Note: even fighting a recession, Obama managed 3.8% to 3.9% in the first 6 months of 2010... then the Tea partiers took over Congress!]
At the end of President Bush's presidency, the federal government will run a record budget deficit of more than $1 trillion this year, fiscal 2009, and the national debt has grown to $10.6 trillion.
... President George W. Bush has performed abysmally, and he will most likely rank as the United States' worst president on economic policy since President Herbert Hoover.
No, old fat guy, history will not be kind to George W. Bush... nor should it be!
Bush started 2 wars and said , "Charge them". It took 15years to get out from under Nam, the Dems war. I dont see this as anything less. Now the artful draft dodger wants to attack Iran. to save Israel. Romney wouldn't go himself but he is willing to sacrifice my kids---FUGGIM
I dont care who is Prez. the grunts (47%s) are going to suffer for the rest of MY life, unless I make 90
This recession was not as bad as Jimmy Carter's which Reagan never complained about... just fixed it.
The problem with this recession is Obama did not know how to fix it and will allow a double dip, he spent his time PUSHING a health care act that will be repealed by Romney.
Campaign is all Obama is capable of
The Republican party has always been the choice of the well-heeled rich folks, and it's also the choice of every flavor of bigot, racist, religious nut-bag, and the ultra right wing militia groups.
With all of the various communication media available to people these days, it's so easy for the majority to see these pockets of extremists for what they are - and the majority doesn't want the country being run by extremists, so they elect Democrats.
Just look at the rhetoric during the Republican primaries this year. Extremism was on display for anyone with an IQ greatere than their shoe size to see, recognize, and ultimately reject.
Sorry Republicans..... You're simply stuck in your own prejudices and hatred, and that isn't attractive at all.
OK, Tom, let's generalize:
The Democrat Party has been the choice of government dependents, public employee unions and various union thugs and crooks, and well heeled ambulance chasing trial lawyers...
The Democrats are the Party of Government; the people are just a cow to be milked for the benefit of the Almighty Nanny State Government. Most Dem activists have a selfish reason to support a growing government...the country will go the way of Greece, thanks to your greed.
Bob in VA - and yet Democrats make up more of the 1% than Republicans; have better educations and believe in helping everyone - unlike Republicans who hate everyone who isn't narrowminded like them.
I believe you'll find more crooks in the GOP everyday! And, amazingly Grover Norquist is taking written oaths of loyalty by Republicans. How does anyone approve of such treasonous behavior?
And, Red states receive the highest amount of government assistance so the nanny state argument is soooooo wrong!
Obama/Biden 2012
its amazing that because someone doesn't completely agree with everything you say, your all uptight and call people names or put them down and don't ask where they got their information. You just "assume", and because everyone is participating in the "assuming" practice we have all become ASSes. Now all someone has to do is put a carrot on a stick in front of us and we will go where ever they want us to go.
If only I was as enlightened as you Tom maybe I would see how the democrats really care about other Americans. Maybe I would understand how the method of demonizing anyone who earns a dollar more than me as a rich bigot somehow transforms my life for the better. Maybe I would understand how a government program could somehow provide me with more than a subsistence living if we just taxed the evil 1% at a 100% tax rate.
I type this foolishness knowing you won't recognize the problem with such thinking. You think democrats like Obama have your best interests at heart, but what you fail to recognize is that they are the worst type of parasite. They feed first, and there is never enough. They would kill the host rather than curb their own appetites. For the rest of you democrat parasites, you'll feed after the party royalty feeds, and you'll feed on whatever remains, which is never enough. The democrat view is the idea that America is a shrinking pie and everybody deserves a little taste. No matter how small, provided the party royalty gets theirs first, and in the amount they choose. The republican view is the idea of an ever expanding pie and everybody deserves as much as they want, provided they earn it.
What has Obama done for anyone to aid them in earning anything other than what the democrat party dictates?
Shifting gears: You ignore the fact the 1% are paying the lowest tax rate since before WW2 and they're running on paying less. In 1980 before Reagan the 1% owned 10% of this countries net worth now it's 24%. The 400 richest people on Forbes have a combined net worth that exceeds the bottom 60% or 185 million people. Do they really need another tax break? Isn't Romney's 10.3% actual tax rate last year low enough? He donated 30% to charity to bump his taxes higher so he'd look better. If his plan passes he'll pay nothing. Over 30,000 Americans paid no income tax on $1,000,000 or more income last year and if Romneys plan passes that will probably triple. Neither Kerry or Perot faced questions about their wealth even though much richer than Romney because they were open about where they got their money and weren't proposing massive tax cuts for themselves and other ultra rich. No one's asking them to pay the 70% they paid before Reagan just their share.
This is NOT the GOP that I belonged to 20+ Years. This "NEW' Teaparty has destroyed ANY sense the Republicans Ever had. We need a two party system...but NOT this bunch of hateful, lying, cheating, heartless, racist pitiful group the now is the face of the GOP/baggers. I changed (and am glad I did) in 2008
Never in my life have I been so disgusted with a group. Mitt is only the tip of the iceberg...VOTE them all (GOP) out. The good ones are not even running again because they don't like where the Teaparty is trying to take this country. SHAME.
"Whether Romney can reverse that slide, let alone accomplish such a herculean task in the next 35 days, is another question."
Most First Read articles need a disclaimer, as follows:
"I am David Axelrod and I approved this message."
Bob
and you think your "ONE LINERS" Help...how?
Romney is in no way qualified to become president and these debates will just drive that point home.
Romney, like all republicans, is part of the problem, not the solution,,,,,we are in this mess soley because of the policies of the republican party for the last 40 years!!!!!!
I have been an independent voter for 40 years, and I have approved this message!!!!!!
Now, to be fair, President Obama said he was 10% responsible for the mess we have been in the past 4 years....
"The buck stops here"--President Truman
"10% of the buck stops here" -President "blame someone else" Obama
Truman's quote was taking responsibility for his own decisions and actions not the actions of others. He isn't responsible for a meltdown that occurred before elected or programs he proposed that were filibustered.
Bob in VA
Why should the President take responsibility for the pledges to Norquist, the obstructionism of the House of Representatives, and the absolute and very public announcement that the Republican Party had no intention to "get along" with this President from the get-go? I admire the character of this man who ploughed ahead and never gave up trying to get some co-operative effort from Republicans. In fact, we progressives admonished him to take the gloves off and get in the ring years ago. It became clear very early in his Presidency that not only was he left with a near depression left by the Bush/Cheney regime, but with an opposition Party with only one goal in mind: to see that this President failed, even, as it did, include taking the Country down with him. I am over seventy years old, and have never seen a Republican Party as despicable as this one is!
The republican party is the party of exclusion. It's polices are beneficial to the wealthy. They proclaim that helping the wealthy is beneficial to everybody. But we've seen this all before. It's a load of crap. Under their policies, the rich get richer and everyone else gets poorer.
Howitzer8
......and if the trolls on this site cared to fact check, they would learn that every generalized statement you have made in your post above can be supported with FACTS!
Facts seem to require:
l. either too much effort or
2. a scary feeling that democrats just may be right.
@howitzer,
I have some questions for you and any other liberal on this site. Please go to the link below to see how dire our current economic situation is. The link is nonpartisan, and it comes from the federal government's website.
I could go on and on about my rejections of Obamacare. It is absolutely bad policy that will help bankrupt our nation faster. It creates another entitlement when we cannot even afford the ones we already have. 1) So, why in the world should we want to elect President Obama to a second term when all he has accomplished is to drive our national debt through the roof when he promised to reduce it by half in his first term? Our national debt is the "greatest" security threat that our nation faces. Well on the subject of Obamacare, how come members of Congress and the President do not want to be covered by the plan if it is so good?
I did not even talk about failed stimulus the stimulus. It is funny he proposed a second stimulus and that got zero votes in the senate. Our government owns a car company (GM) that will never recover. I did not even talk about that this administration is proud of the fact that more Americans than ever are on food stamps. What an accomplishment to brag about?
Howitzer8
Really, under Bush median American incomes went up 18%. Under Obama, down 10% 2008, under W., unemployment rate under 4.5%. Obama, hasn't been below 8.1% for years, even with fudgey labor department numbers. Estimated real rate of unemployment currently at 20%. Obama aids $6 trillion in new debt to the national debt in less than 4 years and there is no end of deficit spending in sight. That number in debt is higher than all of the combined debt compiled by all of the 43 presidents preceding Obama. When asked how they will correct the problems the democrat mantra is "It's Bush's fault" or "We can't try to correct our social program spending with risky schemes, we'll leave them as is". Well, that last one was paraphrased, but you get the point. Democrat, liberal, or progressive all equal status quo. It's time for new leadership.
Wow, talk about using statistics to prove a lie. When Bush took office the unemployment rate was 4.2% and you brag that after tripling our debt with tax cuts and massive war spending he averaged 4.5% until his last year. When Bush left office the rate was 7.9% but was losing jobs at the rate of 760,000 jobs a month and hit over 9% by the time we stopped running on Bush's budget in Oct. 2009. Obama's slightly over 8% isn't much worse than the 7.9% Bush left him and certainly much better than what it fell to before Obama's policies took effect. Funny how you quote real numbers for a republican but estimated actual for a democrat.
It's not surprising that right wingers don't understand the concept of enough. You can't even consider the possibility that a rich person might support a president whose policies wouldn't profit them. That's really sad. Liberals like Buffett, Gates and others understand they don't need more breaks while people like Romney fight to lower their 10.3% and the ability to pass on every penny without paying any taxes. Buffett's plan to set a minumum 30% rate on the ultra wealthy means he gets it but you and Romney never will. Even the super wealthy can stand for what's best for the country rather then milking every penny they can for themselves.
This is the last chance for the republican party. By 2016, both Texas and Colorado will be leaning Democrat states because of their changing demographics. Latinos are becoming a force to be reckoned with in a number of states, including that conservative bastion Arizona
It's not just the latino population growth, we have had an huge influx of Californians.
And you, righwingscrewball ... don't even live up to your name. Screwballs are considered funny. Your post is nothing but DISGUSTING!!!!
Go back to your tower and toss bread crumbs to your serfs ... in the meantime, the rest of this country, Latinos, blacks, Hispanics, Asians, white, women, etc., will be voting to make sure that people like you (and your candidate) do NOT get into the White House.
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THE LEFT IS NERVOUS about this election
Really??? NOT.
jimmy: Ann knows Mitt much better than you...wouldn't you say??? And she said she would be worried about his mental health if elected. Mitt is looking pretty worn and disheveled lately and doesn't seem to be "all there".
Mitt has never had this type of stress, this type of scrutiny, this type of critical examination of his every move....and he doesn't seem to be holding up well.
Hey, Ann romney-hood brought up the subject out of the blue.
For her to just say that without provocation does reveal a deep concern she has about her odd husband and his flailing campaign. It's a statement I think should be given a lot of credence.
It was one of those "unscripted honest moments" that reveals much about romney's state of mind.
I'm sorry, Jimmy, I couldn't read what you wrote.
Could you possibly make the letters bigger and bolder?
Thanks.
Hey jimmy,,,, racist, bigot, imperial wizard much?
The problem with the Republican Party today is they are totally the party of the right-wing.At one time they had Liberals and Moderates in their party as well.But today their "Big Tent" has shrunk to a pup tent.The Liberals are long gone and the Moderates are an endangered species.It started with the 60's so-called Southern Strategy when the National Democratic Party embraced the call for Civil Rights for all in this country,the Republican leaders saw a chance to take over the South that since the Civil War period had rejected Republicans as the party of Lincoln.So in a cynical move to attract the racist elements of the South that had rejected the Democrats push for equality,they threw over the legacy of Lincoln and welcomed racism.After that they have slowly become the party of the most right-wing elements in the country.Until today the moderates and fiscal conservatives have been pushed aside and the name conservative has come to stand for the right-wing,most backward elements.A group without any appeal for most women,minorities,and even any forward looking white voters (me).With the rise to power in the Republican Party of the Teabagger movement they are just doubling down on the beliefs that have taken them from a great American Party to a minority party in America.
jimmy in philly
Broadstreet Bully
To show how out of touch the Republicans are to the needs of America.The way they have used their power in Congress.This was just one of many stories of them working against American jobs.
"Politico reported that senior Senate sources have said that ROMNEY'S opposition to extending the PTC derailed' a bipartisan Senate agreement to renew the tax credit. The New York Times similarly reported that 'Senate Republicans removed' the PTC extension from the Senate Finance Committee’s tax extenders package 'to show their loyalty' to ROMNEY. Two weeks later, Vestas announced the layoffs at its Pueblo facility."
Here's a few other thing's showing why Romney is wrong for America:
1. When in Prep school he led a gang of boys who assaulted another boy and cut his hair off because he was gay.He was 17-18 then.Many courts try kids even 14 today as an adult for assault crimes.And today that would come under the "hate crimes" laws. But being the wealthy son of a governor I guess gives him a pass.He say's he doesn't remember it,though all the others in the gang have no problem remembering.
2.Also in Prep School and College he used to get his kicks dressing as a Michigan State Trooper,he used to pull over motorists posing as a trooper.A crime under Michigan law by the way.But again,being rich and connected lets you get away with a lot in his world.
3.To avoid the draft during the Vietnam War he goes off to Paris to do "missionary" work.Not some third world country,to bring Mormonism to the poor.But Paris,where I'm sure the French Catholic's were just as happy to have Mormons ring their doorbell's as most Americans are.Yet today he thinks it would be nice to dress-up as our military Commander in Chief.
4. During his time at Bain,a company known as a prime example of an outsourcer,shipping American jobs overseas . He brags to his fat cat donor's that Bain's job was to "Harvest" the companies it acquired.Like a surgeon harvesting body parts from the dead. He states that he "likes" to fire workers.And for icing on the cake,he lies about when he left Bain,and then is caught in the lie.
5.Before running for President he sold his huge investments in a Chinese Oil Company working hand in glove with Iranian Oil Companies trying to break our sanctions on Iran.Yet we are to believe this man would look out for America's interests in the world.
6.He won't talk details about his budget plans if he's elected President.But what little he does say is he will cut taxes on the wealthy,cutting revenue by billions,raise the military budget even more than Bush,and at the same time pay down the deficit.Unless he is an Alchemist that can turn lead in to gold, as people believed in the Middle Ages.His figures just can't add up.Unless that is,he plans on slicing up every program for the poor,the middle class,and senior citizens that is. But considering he likes to fire ,and is an expert in harvesting,that is probably what he plans.Which would be a good reason to not want to give out details.He knows that would not be accepted by most of the American people.
These are just a few things related to Romney for people to think over.If we add his record as governor of Mass.,his flip flop on almost every thing,hiding his taxes from the voters,his big donor Adelson also being the bankroller for Israels PM Netanyahu (which accounts for Romney's pro-war stand,and Netanyahu's pro-Romney stance) ,his picking Paul Ryan,almost as bad as Santorum,as a part of the extreme right-wing as his VP pick.And his not even knowing that plane windows don't open because the cabin is pressurized.And opening them in flight would kill you.The list of reasons why he shouldn't be President is endless.
The only real choice Nov.6th Obama/Biden.As Santorum himself said,the Republicans will never be the party of the smart people.
Jimmy
Yell much? Hit much? Bully much?
Jimmy, go ahead and bash the MSNBC staff. We're all going to be laughing at you on 11/6/12 at About 8pm EST.
Don't worry , there's nothing to be afraid of
Obama-Biden in a landslide 2012. Watch and weep.
In Ohio people were camping out on the sidewalk waiting to vote early. It takes some real enthusiasm to do that.
Living here in Co, I can tell you we have been just carpet bombed with negative ads from the Romney/Ryan camp, crossroads etc like the false one's about taking work requirement out of welfare.
We are sick of the doom and gloom and blame from republicans, all our republicans friends are not happy with the Romney/Ryan ticket, many are voting for Obama, the rest are going for the plug their nose and vote republican. We just agree to disagree with those friends, and don't talk politics!
O&JOE
My friends and I play a drinking game some evenings where you have to take a shot every time a Romney ad lies. And then none of us get to drive home.
hummbird, I love to get news from posters who are actually in the swing/battleground states! Keep posting and I hear ya on the friends thing!
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Hambone, it is on both sides. But I think it is more super pac than anything else.
Obama's side had Romney killing a man's wife, that is totally out there. I have not seen anything that vile from Romney..yet.
Ranger, and the Obama super pac ad NEVER aired.
Jimmy ... big fonts ... little ... well you fill it in. How disgusting of YOU to minimize the Ambassador's death. Again, to you and the rest of your ilk that post continually I've yet to see ONE of you post what you respect and admire about your candidate. YOU CAN'T! And thank God for free speech so you can run around spouting off against your President, who by the way stands behind the troops that protect your rights.
Trolls - all dressed up and decked out for Halloween. Enjoy your time out from under the bridges ..
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My thumb is so sore from hitting the mute button on my tv since July. I cannot imagine taking a drink after each and every Mutt nasty commerical. Humbird - I salute you! LOL But to be fair, I also mute Obama's commercials. There is only so much one can take of these nasty commercials and being in a swing state sucks. Please God - make it November...quick. But meanwhile...
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I think all of my Colorado neighbors need alcohol and/or aspirin for Christmas gifts this year. I seriously wonder how you all can handle them. We only get a few here in Utah from the super PACs and those few are enough to give me a headache!
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hummingbird, you hit the nail on the head.Gloom and doom is exactly what these crybabies are. The sky is falling.I'll hold my breath till I turn blue if I don't get what I want. Typical Rethuglicans,a bunch of thugs trying to buy the election,by hook or by croock. All that money wasted on Romney is a damn shame. Time to give them the boot.
When asked why he won't release his tax returns, Romney starts singing the Eagles "I can't tell you why"!
It's a shame the 3000+ from the twin towers, pentagon and planes can't be with us because Bush's people ignored the people of middle eastern descent training at flight schools who wanted to learn how to fly but weren't concerned with learning to land. Flight school operators were concerned enough to notify the FBI but it was never investigated. You'd never let Obama slide on something like that.
HUMMINGBIRD: DO NOT LIE and be so SELECTIVE!! I LIVE IN DENVER..... we have been indated by as many Obama ads lying to us about how graet Obummer is and how horrible Romney is... the lies like the new ad show a token hispanic saying he lost his job in Peublo because Romney supported an end to tax credits for wind power.... HELL, like ALL YOUR LIES, Romney has NEVER , BEEN in a position to effect an end to tax credits for wind energy..... YET parasitic microbes,like yourself, push these blatant lies and the rest of the mindless moron that support Obummer, suck it up like a child slurping Jello! The company profiled in that LIE, is also in Windsor, they have been cutting back for some time, like many others, BECAUSE IT IS THE ECONOMY..... STUPID! YET, you out of state transplants that have moved here, and destroyed our state, buy into this mindless,stupid,inaccurate propaganda.....YOU microbes are just like Gherbal and Hitler.... excellent at propagand, divison and hate!
Eric- Chill out you are one angry boy! LOL Great name calling!
This election is a choice between two visions for the future of America: One vision is for continuation of the progressive vision of a balance between equality and freedom as the moral foundation of justice, and a more recent conservative vision of an entitlement due the wealthy and the equivalence of corporations to the rights and protections of natural persons under the Constitution.
A progressive future is one in which government is a custodian of the public trust and advocates for justice; where justice is a balance between equality and freedom. Government as a custodian of the public trust means that everyone plays by the same rules and that everyone is equal before the law. Public trust means the rights of the people to preserve and protect the common property of the United States is not severable to the interests of privatization. Public trust means that a corporation has no rights except those given to it by law and does not have equal standing with a natural born person under the Constitution.
The conservative future is one of a hostile corporate takeover with privatization of government functions. The corporate takeover means that having wealth is an effective barrier to others participating in the process of government. It means that government would no longer serve the interests of the community but collaborate with the wealthy corporate owners to establish a separate set of laws that entitle them to preferential treatment while creating barriers to competition by eliminating opportunities for others.
The free market is a myth: if it isn't regulated by government to prevent fraud, it is regulated by the corporate oligarchy to prevent competition. Free means not having to go to jail for fraud and theft.
Freedom of speech for corporations is a political myth: the right to free speech is a right of the natural born person, not an artifact of legal convention.
The conservative options for health care are no birth control, no abortion and no health insurance unapproved by a corporate CEO. The progressive option is universal health care and the right of women to make their own health decisions.
This election is about protecting the American value of living according to one's conscience, as opposed to having a religious elite create intrusive bureaucratic regulations supporting their sectarian religious doctrine.
This election is about education for citizenship, not choice for a privileged elite who don't want to associate with the classes below them.
This election is about living in fear promoted by gun merchants, or finding a means to reducing the violence that haunts personal security.
This election is about who gets to rewrite the tax laws: a privileged elite who personally benefits from tax entitlements to the wealthy, or one who advocates for tax fairness.
This election is about who gets to nominate justices to the Supreme Court: pack a court with conservative judicial activists who want to roll back voting and human rights, or one who advocates for judicial competence and fairness.
This election is about restoring the rights of workers as a civil right, and not disenfranchising workers of the right to decent wages, decent working conditions and peacefully addressing their employers for redress of grievances.
This election is a moral choice between affiliation or aggression, empathy or egotism, service or selfishness, cooperation or competitiveness.
The tale of two visions is the difference between a government of the people, by the people and for the people, and a government run by a plutocracy of wealth and corporate power.
well put
dls: Dude-you are AWESOME!!!!
How much crack did you smoke before you wrote that?There are so many lies in this.
Show me the lies line by line or I'll have to believe you're full of it and dis is right. The burden of proof is on you.
dls-387641
This election is a choice between two visions for the future of America: One vision is for continuation of the progressive vision of a balance between equality and freedom as the moral foundation of justice, and a more recent conservative vision of an entitlement due the wealthy and the equivalence of corporations to the rights and protections of natural persons under the Constitution. Progressives don't believe in morals, hence the reason they are for Abortions, and same sex unions, and many of the chirch teachings. You eather have equality or freedom, one or the other, you can have Equality, were the state makes everyone equal, thus taking away from some to give to others. Or you can have freedom to choose your own destiny, to make it or fail. You have responsibility for your own life. I do suggest you read the Bill of Rights, they do not make Equality an issue, but give everyone the same rights to obtain it. You can not ordain it that everyone playing a game rolling the dice will all come up with the same numbers every time.
A progressive future is one in which government is a custodian of the public trust and advocates for justice; where justice is a balance between equality and freedom. Government as a custodian of the public trust means that everyone plays by the same rules and that everyone is equal before the law. Public trust means the rights of the people to preserve and protect the common property of the United States is not severable to the interests of privatization. Public trust means that a corporation has no rights except those given to it by law and does not have equal standing with a natural born person under the Constitution. Justice is the rule of law that is applied equally to all, not someting that is handed out by the government. We have National Parks, Libaries, etc. to preserve the Common property of State. That doesn't mean the state can take over privite land to convert it to public lands. by law Corporatins are bound by the same laws as citizens, but even there citizens have laws to protect themselves that noncitizens do not. So the law is not equal to all, (example: citizens can vote, non citizens can not).
The conservative future is one of a hostile corporate takeover with privatization of government functions. The corporate takeover means that having wealth is an effective barrier to others participating in the process of government. It means that government would no longer serve the interests of the community but collaborate with the wealthy corporate owners to establish a separate set of laws that entitle them to preferential treatment while creating barriers to competition by eliminating opportunities for others. Privite organizations usually provide better service at a lower cost then the Government. look at the USPS vs UPS. Even with Government money the UPS is better service and is more people friendly to the public which it serves. Wouldn't be easier to keep Unions, and Corperations from donating to elections? Maybe then Corperations should pay the same tax rates as the public does, then. Why does a business that bribes a congress man get a bad rap, when it is the congress man that accepts the bribe, and infact is an accomplis to the crime.
The free market is a myth: if it isn't regulated by government to prevent fraud, it is regulated by the corporate oligarchy to prevent competition. Free means not having to go to jail for fraud and theft.
Freedom of speech for corporations is a political myth: the right to free speech is a right of the natural born person, not an artifact of legal convention. The corperations is a collection of citizens, thus they have the right to speak, That is like saying I can speak, but if I am with crowd of like minded people I can not. lets face it Fraud, and Theft are crimes, owning a business is not.
The conservative options for health care are no birth control, no abortion and no health insurance unapproved by a corporate CEO. The progressive option is universal health care and the right of women to make their own health decisions. All these are allowed, but why does the public have to pay for someones birthcontrol, If the person wants it, they should buy insurance that covers it. Abortion is a crime if someone else kills the unborn child, but a woman can say I don't want to be bothered with it, and is allowed to kill it. When we cheapen human life, pretty soon we say elderly are to be killed, because they have no value to us, then we say the disabled have no value, pretty soon, it becomes certian ethinic groups, or genders, like China does.
This election is about protecting the American value of living according to one's conscience, as opposed to having a religious elite create intrusive bureaucratic regulations supporting their sectarian religious doctrine. Who's conscience will be used to deturmim a persons rights? You want a person who believes we can kill anyone? Or someone that believes you should kill no one. Pretty scary to me, to have a liberial tell me which values are good and which are bad.
This election is about education for citizenship, not choice for a privileged elite who don't want to associate with the classes below them.
This election is about living in fear promoted by gun merchants, or finding a means to reducing the violence that haunts personal security. criminals will get guns if they want them, keeping citizens from one of their Constitutional rights is wrong. Look at the cities with the most gun controls. Chicago and Washington DC. Both have the highest killings from guns in the country. It is because criminals know citizens don't have them and they do.
This election is about who gets to rewrite the tax laws: a privileged elite who personally benefits from tax entitlements to the wealthy, or one who advocates for tax fairness.
This election is about who gets to nominate justices to the Supreme Court: pack a court with conservative judicial activists who want to roll back voting and human rights, or one who advocates for judicial competence and fairness. The job of the Supreme Court is to interpet law, not make it, which is the job of the Congress. Consertive Justices tend to do the first, where Progressive then to do the latter. We all have the same rights, that the Constitution gives us, progressives want to gove some more rights then others, with things like affermitive action, and Hate crimes.
This election is about restoring the rights of workers as a civil right, and not disenfranchising workers of the right to decent wages, decent working conditions and peacefully addressing their employers for redress of grievances. Workers already have rights, they can choose to quit at any time, and seek employment anywhere to get more pay. Any companies not follow safty standards will find all it's workers gone, and it will be out of bussiness. it is in the companies intrest to have good employees, and keep them.
This election is a moral choice between affiliation or aggression, empathy or egotism, service or selfishness, cooperation or competitiveness.
The tale of two visions is the difference between a government of the people, by the people and for the people, and a government run by a plutocracy of wealth and corporate power. Funny how you say that, As a Consertive I am for a Government that is run by the people, for the best intrests of the people. But it is those elected people who have sold out for thier own gain. we have laws against slander and lible, but Congress can do lies, as long as they do it on the Senate Floor, anywhere else it would be illegal. They have health insurance that the public can not get. I am glad to be a consertive, because when one of the Republicans like Nixion lies he is out of office for trying to cover up crimes like the watergate break in, But Liberial like Obama, can do the same thing like covering up Libian killing of our Ambasidors, or the Fast and Furious killings, with no one even speaking up about it, and these involved murders, where the Break in was just that.
Interesting. You state your opposition to a woman's right to an abortion or gays having any rights as you deem these people as immoral per your religion then say you support government for the people, by the people but apparently only people who are or think like you. The constitution is for all the people not just those you deem worthy. You praise the constitution when it protects your guns but deny it's provisions of separation of church and state.
DLS: YOU ARE SO FULL OF FECAL MATTER! YET you stand there and endose a failure in the first degree, in Obama............ amazing how many STUPID PEOPLE THERE ARE!! YOU support failure, lies,incompetence and the country's demise over a NEW START and a change in direction from the course we KNOW is a FAILURE!!!!!! YOU ARE TRULY A ignorant fester heap of fecal matter!
Romney is a businessman, not a politician. he's used to people doing what he TELLS them to do like a boss). Being a politician is much more nuanced than that, one must convince people to do what you want them to do. HUGe difference. Our country has had only ONE businessman elected president over 100 years: Herbert Hoover, and we all know what happened during his administration don't we? ( Hint: begins with "Great", and ends in "Depression")
Ed, that is not strictly true. Lil bush had business experience. His oil company could not find oil in Texas.
Darth Cheney had business experience. As the CEO of Halliburton he started selling nuclear technology to Iran, including centrifuges in 1998. Halliburton continued selling centrifuges to Iran until 2005, when Congress finally noticed this illegal activity.
What did this dynamic duo do? They gave us the Great Recession, which will take another decade to recover from. They also have the worst record for job creation on record. Oh, and the 4 worst Presidents for job creation are all republicons!
ED SANDERS: FINISH your analogy..... the country elected an inexperienced peanut farmer, i.e., Jimmy Carter.... we know how that ended.... HINT" 444 days of American Hostages held in Iran, economy in shambles, NO RESPECT in global matters.. THIS IS AN INSTANT REPLAY! WAKE UP STUPID!
the "republican base" couldn't elect a dog catcher out side of the south and the republican party has been taken over by the tea party, Christian Taliban nut cases. The patients now run the asylum. Intellectual spokepeople like Newt, Sarah Palin, Michelle Bachman, it is the party of the white trailer trash. The establishment thought they could control the birthers and all of these nuts that are just so angry a black guy won and instead they were co-opted. Hopefully some adults will take back the party. Any right wing christian nut case now claims to be "conservative", yet people like Barry Goldwater, or Ronald Reagan wouldn't be able to get elected by the "republican base" They didn't hate enough and that is the party you have become. To be able to screw up this election shows just how incompetent and stupid you are, my god it is not jobs for you, it is being anti-gay, hispanic, women or what ever, you don't stand for any thing you are just against everything. Republicans didn't used to be this way, I voted for Ford the first time I voted but I didn't leave the party, it left me. and to hell with you punks, walmart republicans, 2nd year business students, and mainly you racist garbage, push the barrel against your head and pull the trigger firmly.
The GOP needs a bigger tent. What will they do when whites in America become just another minority. Gotta love the great melting pot.
I got news for you, they already are.
........blaming the media is tired......simply do your own research......and a thinking person should realize....NO one could have restored this country from the Mess it was in in 3 1/2 years, period.
And blaming the President for not cleaning up the Mess left by (you know who) in that short time, with out ANY real help from the obstructionists, is not reason enough to restore them to power....period
no matter how the Repugs try to wrap them selve4s in God, Flags, Family, and Country.....this is OUR country too......OUR blood sweat and tears built it too......and guess what ....WE ARE Not going anywhere
Mack....And they know who "you know who" is. He is the one they didnt invite to Tampa.
Mackster, Blaming Bush is tired, get over it.
Obama said he could do it and now that he can't he wants another chance to finish what he started. IF we let him finish dragging us down, we are finished in 4 years.
Good point .. ever Romney says it will take him 8 years .... then tells us the reason we should vote against Obama is he couldn't fix it in 3 1/2 .....
Republican Tea Party ... block ALL of Obama's legislation to help the economy and help jobs .. then point the dirty little finger at Obama and say .. "he hasn't done anything".
It's shameful.
You didn't build it!!!
Excellent post, Eric...dead on!!
It took decades to recover from the Great Depression and we still blame Hoover for it.
It will take decades to recover from the Great Recession and our grandchildren will be blaming Bush for it.
I can guarantee that all the Romney folks would be shouting out the same polls if they showed Romney ahead instead of the President. You are all phonies like your candidate.
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The press only shows the polls that have Obama a head. Then they continuely use them for weeks. I want to see the pools that really count, the ones just a week or two before the election. That is the ones their reputations rest on. Even most pollers will tell you Republicans don't waist their time with them, because of the pro Obama slant they always give. Remember the Wisconsin Polls showing how close it was, at least until the election, wher they were more then 20 points off.
Yep even Fox shows Obama ahead, clearly that left wing propaganda machine Fox.
What kills me about Republicans is they are using the 8% unemployment rate as a hammer against Obama when in reality they don't give a flying f-uck about people who don't have jobs and have always contended when they are in office that the only people who don't have jobs are lazy deadbeat government TIT sucking leeches who won't get off their asses and go find a job.
Romney's comments that 47% of Americans are bums looking for a hand out anyway they can get it only confirms it.
Yep, I think on that video the Mitt of Many Colors finally showed his true ones. If you weren't born wealthy, didn't attend an exclusive prep school, didn't run a predatory company like Bain, well-- you really don't deserve to breathe the air.
Because, in Mitt's world, people who don't make six figures are lazy, stupid, drug abusers, illegal immigrants, or all of the above.
Maybe because Obama said we wouln't have 8% unemployement if we passes his stimulas bill. I don't think as long as he is president we will ever see sub 8% unemployement rates. I guess when the poor can afford to spend at least $35,000 a plate to speak with Obama, they will be heard. My gold fish care more for the poor then Obama does.
GB: YOu are suffering from NEUROLOGICAL issues. ONE other issue: YOU CAN'T FACE the TRUTH! There is grouip of lazy people, who think the world owes them everything. AND as long as Obama extends benefits and encouragement to join welfare, they WILL ALWAYS be in his pocket! THEN there is those of US that are SICK and TIRED of paying for free lunches for lazy,worthless microbes like you and your clones. IT IS NOT INSENSITIVE to ask or expect people to WORK and carry their OWN WEIGHT!
When Ann Romney shapeshifts into a reptile she is scarier than Kelly Preston in Battlefield Earth. She is a very highly ranked Lizard. Her husband isn't a lizard, but he is from the species that John Candy played in Spaceballs. He also has some blood of the orange people, of which whom Donald Trump is a member.
Mittney you are a fool what you think that thing MRS. Obama is cute or MR. Obama is handsome give me a break you DemocRATS are all the same you try and get every story changed because the DemocRATS have nothing to run on This party is the worst ever even worse then Carter and MR. Carter never though that would happen So all you DemocRATS need to check your self's and think how has this happened to this Great country of ares and your answer should be MR. Obama and the DemocRAT party if you are honest but most of you are not
Sean Hannity...there's a great American for you.....
Every day of his entire F-ing life he lives... he lives as a lie.
GB - exactly what did Hannity lie about? Could you be more specific about what he is lying about?
I don't that is a case of people leaving the party but the party leaving the people! The Republican Party now appeals to the most baseline, narrow minded people in this country. People who believe that the ends justifies the means, people who believe that winning at any cost is winning, people that beleive that the strongest are the only ones who have a right to survive. It has become a party of people who call themselves Christians that apparently don't believe in the teaching of Jesus.
The Goldwater, Reagan Party no longer exists. It has become a party of hate and bigotry. A party who hates anyone different. A party who hates teachers, fire fighters, police officers, but they love venture capitalists and oil barrons. They don't mind pay taxes to give companies like Exxon $3 billion dollars in subsidies, but think teachers earning $50,000 a year are overpaid (Anyone ask Mitt Romney how much the private school, his kids went to, paid his kids teachers $125,000/yr. I guess Republicans don't think their kids deserve half the edcuation Mitt's kids got!). The Republican Party of today hates unions, Eisenhower supported unions and Reagan once said that without unions you can't have a real Democracy. Goldwater supported gays in the military. Jesus Christ himself couldn't get a foot in the Republican Party, he supported social issues.
The Republican Party is imploding on it's self. It is not that people are moving left, it is the party is moving so far right that they have left most of their base wondering what happened.
Just look at the (3) leading Republicans !!! Mitch McConnel, John Boner, and Eric Cantor.
Republicans are truly are the GOP (Grand Obstructionist Party).
I resent that statement in a big way. Not all Republican are narrow minded and it just shows how narrow minded you are in saying something like that. First of all not all Republicans are anti abortion and anti gay rights. I am not and I am a Republican.
I am also an athiest but normally say nothing to anyone regarding their religion of choice. However I have seen lots of comments out here about Mitt Romney being a Morman as if that is any worse than any other organized religion. To each his own when it comes to that. I don't care what anyone chooses for their own life. I thought it ridiculous that so many people have such a fit over a nativity scene being displayed over Christmas. Don't we have other more important things to worry about? Let folks live their lives and make their own decisions. You either like someone or you don't and for me it has nothing to do with skin, religion or sexual choices.
I do however have big problems with all the lying I have heard out of this White House. It's bad and no one seems to care. I realize that politicians lie and was one of the first Republicans that voted against Bush after 9/11. Anyone with half a brain would have to realize that things from that day do not add up right. That administration was as corrupt as any. I voted for Obama even though he is a Democrat and I have been sorely disappointed with the outcome. Romney may not be the best choice but that just goes to show everyone we need to clean house in government. It's messed up and we should not be out here blaming each other we should be blaming them. This mess is all due to government. It is not because taxpayers are not paying their fair share. My god we are 16 trillion dollars in debt and it just keeps going up. Obama is not good for this country, he has no new plan and he has all of us convinced there is a war on women and Republicans hate everyone. It isn't true.
Our problems are from the crappy things the government has been doing and the fact that they cannot stop spending money to save our lives. And it really pisses me off that all these Hollywood hyprcrites on all over TV gushing about Obama. A lot of these people don't even live here half the time and you can bet they have their money snuggly tucked away in some swiss bank account. That's what rich people do. If you think they are going to pay their fair share you are dreaming. They want to hang on to their millions just like everyone else.