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Mitt Romney has stumbled recently in his quest to unseat President Barack Obama, but GOP stalwarts argue that his presidential campaign isn’t a lost cause and say their nominee still has time to turn things around.
A series of stories – about Obama’s convention bump, Romney’s haphazard response to a diplomatic crisis in Libya, and a POLITICO story about infighting in the Republican’s campaign – fueled a growing consensus that Romney is solidly trailing Obama right now, a feeling supported by polling data both nationally and in key battleground states.
NBC's Peter Alexander, who is traveling with the GOP presidential candidate, reports the Romney campaign is focused on resilience.
That perception was further hardened by the release of videos of Romney speaking to a closed-door fundraiser in May, in which the GOP candidate describes 47 percent of Americans as “dependent on government,” and whom he’ll never convince to “take personal responsibility and care for their lives.” The videos were surreptitiously taped and published on the website of the left-leaning magazine Mother Jones and dominated the political conversation Tuesday.
Tuesday’s new NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll, showing Obama at 50 percent versus Romney’s 45 percent among likely voters, only added evidence to this emerging conventional wisdom.
“I’d give the edge to the president today,” said Oklahoma Rep. Tom Cole, a seasoned Republican political hand of the state of the race. “But I don’t think that means much; Carter had the edge at this point in 1980 and Gore had the edge at this point in 2000.”
As Mitt Romney heads back on the campaign trail, he doesn't back down from the substance of controversial comments secretly recorded at a private fundraiser.
With just 49 days remaining until the election, there isn’t a lot of time for Romney to reverse the trajectory of the campaign. Television airwaves have been saturated by political ads for months now, and polls suggest that many voters are already “locked in” – that is, firmly dedicated to a candidate – leaving few true swing voters leftover.
"This is a very close campaign. I think all the polls taken together reflect that," Romney adviser Kevin Madden told reporters traveling with Romney on Tuesday. "I think it will be all the way until Election Day."
Madden added that the campaign would be "very well-positioned to win on Election Day if we focus on the issues that matter to the American public."
But the campaign has focused on anything but its stated central focus on the economy during the last few weeks, and Republicans argue that if Romney is to win, something must change in his approach.
“Romney has run a terrible race to this point, but, with that said, he can still win,” said one Republican pollster who asked to speak on background so as to offer more candid analysis. “There's no data point out there that says this is an unwinnable race.”
Jim Young / Reuters
Republican presidential nominee and former Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney laughs as he prepares to board his campaign plane in Dallas, Texas, Sept. 19.
Conservative media have become openly critical of the Romney campaign strategy, too. The Wall Street Journal’s Peggy Noonan urged party elders to step in and “right this ship;” the Weekly Standard’s John McCormack wrote that the only conclusion to draw from Romney’s missteps was that he is “not a conservative,” and that when he tries to sell himself as one, “he sometimes comes across as a right-wing caricature.”
The Romney campaign tried early Monday to respond to criticism of its strategy by pledging a renewed focus on adding details and specifics to the nominee’s existing proposals. But Republicans seem to be clamoring for something different. Former New Hampshire GOP Chairman Jack Kimball typified the sentiment when, speaking Tuesday at a town hall in the Granite State featuring Paul Ryan, he won an ovation by telling Ryan, “It’s time to take the gloves off.”
The Republican base’s demands of Romney are two-fold: First, be more aggressive in taking the fight to Obama; second, offer a more affirmative agenda on a variety of issues.
The Daily Rundown's Chuck Todd shares details from the latest NBC News/ WSJ poll, which is the first national one after the conventions.
“He's got to get away from this class warfare argument and make it more about middle class families and small business,” said the pollster. “He's very defensive when he needs to get on offense.”
The open advice reflects the sense that Romney cannot only rely on a poor economy and anti-incumbent anger directed toward Obama. But these are also difficult demands for Romney to meet. As was the case with his accusation that Obama had sympathized with Libyans who attacked the U.S. diplomatic mission in Benghazi (leaving four Americans dead, including Ambassador Christopher Stevens), aggression for its own sake can backfire.
Democratic pollster Peter Hart and Republican pollster Bill McInturff take a closer look at the latest NBC News/ WSJ poll, and explain who "up for grabs" voters are, and how they might act when making a decision in November.
And Romney’s campaign has still offered no indication that it would become any more specific on some central issues, such as the deductions which President Romney would eliminate in order to finance his tax reform plan.
To even accomplish those goals, though, Romney must move past the series of controversies and uproars to dog his campaign for days at a time.
Republicans aren’t particularly sweating the duration of the controversy stemming from the release of these videos. “There will be something more decisive between now and November,” said Cole.
But with the election quickly drawing toward a close, the pressure is mounting on Romney to finally make his move – beginning, most importantly, at the Oct. 3 presidential debate in Colorado.
“I think those are the decisive moments in the campaign,” Cole said of the three presidential debates spread throughout October. “That’s where Romney has to make the sale, and has a chance to correct all the mistakes of the campaign to this point.”
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Shake things up? See, I don't think that is the problem. Romney has been shaking things up by showing America who he really is.
No. He needs to step out of the rarefied Country Club air he breathes and figure out what most Americans deal with on a day to day basis.
Or a personality transplant, but I don't think that is medically possible
We don't need a clueless elitist in the White House, following the worst economic meltdown in 60 years, due to 30 years of top-down economics, exacerbated by GWB's two wars, high-end tax cuts and sweet pharma deal -- all on the U.S. credity card.
Romney has clearly articulated that the new GOP party wants the middle class and poor to pay more, so they pay less.
Norquist led the charge, and GOP signed over to him in lockstep to never pay fair taxes - and therefore never fix the deficit they keep crying about - so GOP/Koch can hold us hostage to more tax cuts & slashing safety nets and Education every chance they get.
What??? I thought he has been making his move. Backwards, that is. Maybe he should learn how to do the discount double check, lol.
Following the second Great Depression, the OBAMA Administration has seen 4.6 million jobs created in the last 30 months.
By contrast, in the 37 months following a mild recession - the BUSH Administration created only 1.1 million jobs.
Obama Administration: faster pace, MORE JOBS, following historic recession of catastrophic & global proportions.
You got it all wrong, Charley.
Shake things up? Seems to me that's all he's done .... etch-a-sketch, flip-flop, terminal liar ... if those aren't shaky qualities I'd love to know what are!
NDD ... personality transplant .... EXCELLENT!
Obama/Biden 2012
That kind of business success is exactly what we don't need. Outsourcing jobs, buying out companies to close the doors for a profit makes money for a few, the rest get screwed. And Ryan's budget plan will add to the deficit, not shrink it. We had eight years of that under Bush. Why would anyone other than the very wealthy, want to go back to it. As I doubt you're one of them, I'm gonna say FOX has you totally brainwashed.
You're out of touch. You're out of time.
Romney keeps shaking the Etch-A-Sketch, but Republicans keep drawing a candidate who...
1) Want military families serving in Afghanistan to pay taxes.
2) Want seniors (who built this country) barely surviving on Social Security and Medicare (which they paid for) to pay taxes.
3) Want students working and barely affording school to pay taxes.
4) Want to take away the mortgage deduction.
5) Want to take away the child tax credit.
6) Give billionaire donors millions in tax breaks.
7) Want coal miners, oil and gas workers, every hard working American, to pay a higher tax rate so that Romney can pay no taxes for investing in China.
Republicans need to stop calling our military families and seniors free loaders.
Republicans need to agree with Democrats and President Reagan that all earnings are earnings and should be taxed as earnings, instead of saying Romney's earnings are "precious" while the rest of us hard working Americans are "free loaders".
Nope Outhouse...you flunked math, liberals and numbers are like peanut butter and tuna fish. They don't go well together. Try using NET gained and u will see that even GM lost jobs and ended up with a MINUS...which BTW Clinton lied about in his DNC speech :)
Romney is a corporate raider and manipulator of numbers to get as much money from the government as possible. This is what a corporation wants but no way to run a country.
He can flip flop all day like a flounder out of water but he is clueless as to what the middle class think and needs. He just doesn't know how to relate.
Harley Chic...Look back a few more months and you will see the greatest loss of jobs in America since the great depression, coupled with the collapse of the banking system and the auto industry, then take a look at who was in the White House for that disaster. You are upset at the guy who inherited the greatest economic mess in 70 years coupled with 2 unpaid for, uncalled for wars ! Just keeping us out of total depression was a great accomplishment ! I know my 401K has doubled since GWB left office, how about yours ?
I know ... We already have one.
Yeah, that recession that ended in June 2009 followed by 3 years of asinine policies that have led to a drop in middle class median income that is worse than the drop during the actual recession.
More people on food stamps than the actual recession, more people in the ranks of the poor than the actual recession .....
And what 3 year part of that "30 years of top-down economics" is half as bad as the last 3 years under Obama?
Top down?
What is above Obama's big government decrees, policies and control?
The total cost of those 2 wars for the 8 years under Bush was $760 billion - half what Obama overspends each year.
Those tax cuts ....
Revenue in 2001 was $1.991 trillion.
Revenue in 2002 was $1.853 trillion.
Revenue in 2003 was $1.782 trillion.
Tax cuts
Revenue in 2005 was $2.153 trillion – UP 17%
Revenue in 2006 was $2.406 trillion – UP 26%
Revenue in 2007 was $2.568 trillion – UP 31%
Revenue in 2008 was $2.524 trillion – UP 29%
Bush had revenue in 2007 of $2.568 trillion with spending of $2.728 trillion for a deficit of $160.7 billion.
Obama had revenue in 2011 of $2.173 trillion with spending of $3.818 trillion for a deficit of $1.645 trillion – 10 TIMES Bush’s deficit!
How many times have you seen that Backhoser?
Why do you continue to try to deceive .... got nothing else?
Harley, here's a number even you might understand: 13,604. Know what it is?
A few things only will save Mitt.
1) Be honest. You say one thing candidly then back peddle on the very thing you meant.
2) Show us your tax returns. You haven't even shown us your 2011 yet.
3) More specifics. We're still waiting. All we hear are promises, nothing but.
That might, and only MIGHT be a start. You have 48 days and you're doing everything wrong.
Harley Chick - where did B. Clinton lie in his speech?
Not that I don't trust you Hardly Chicken, but I think it's upon you to back your claim. That said ALL politicians manipulate numbers. Heck Mitt and Lyan just makes em up. What's the difference? :)
Not only did Clinton lie, but so did Michelle. Michelle's speech was so full of lies it was pathetic....Go do you homework, Jr.
The deal now is pretty much done. The Obamabots, despite all evidence to the contrary will still support him, they know not what they do or else WANT the economy to collapse. Not one person is cognizant of how important the national debt truly is. All the flag waving rah-rah and Grannies on welfare diatribes are beyond nonsense. If the debt is not addressed, and very soon, there won't be a way to pay for any of it.
Romney, if he can't double down on that fact, needs to go. Obama's record should be prime fodder, all the Obama campaign has is demogoguery, false deflections and addled numbers that are misrepresentations and misleading. If the nation of voters is so stupid that they will return to someone whose foreign policies are so bad that they have almost destroyed what little stability there was in the Middle East then they deserve what happens to them.
Romney under pressure to change course? Everyday, he changes course, but we are always amused by it.
If the GOP wants to truly change course, find a better candidate, perhaps someone more moderate. One that didn't sell out to the conservative teaparty"of "NO" would have helped.
Obama 2012/Romney 1040.
If Willard wants my vote(haha), he can shake things up real well. Fly to Afghanistan and tell a company of Marines to get off their lazy free loading butts.
Sorry USMC you have only my respect.
4 more 4 44
What's so stunning is that no one on the left questions the president. He's a failure and yet they blindly support him and his policies. They aren't concerned with reality, they aren't concerned with his bungling of the middle east crisis, they don't care that he continues to flip the bird to Netanyahu, preferring to do Letterman or Pimp with a Limp instead. They dismiss his failure to get this country working again and actually want their hard earned money redistributed. All because it feels good.
It's so sad to see this once great country pissed away. You guys should really pat yourselves on the back. You've done a great thing by electing this person who sees a very different America than you are used to. I'm afraid by the time they realize it it will be too late.
If the media just did their job this would be a much different race. It's sad that the only way Obama can win is by having the media cheat for him.
@Harley Chic
Robme's budget can't be calculated, so what fiscal responsibility are you talking about?
His own plan would reduce his own tax rate from 13.9% to 0.862%
It will give Sheldon Aldelson 2 Billion Dollars in tax cuts.
Robme plan would raise taxes on people making 40K to 60K
The first thing your dumb azz needs to do is homework on Robmeblind's plan. Then get back to me and explain what top economist can't explain, which is how would he pay for a 5 Trillion Dollar Tax cut to the rich?
We don't take in 5 Trillion Dollars in revenue. CHECK YOUR FACTS.
or
Are you to stupid to do so.
Go home these posts are for BIG BOYS AND GIRLS.
Go put your BIG BOY PANTS ON THEN COME BACK. Loser.
Please factcheck President Clinton's budget surplus & job creation record (try a few different factcheckers):
Before trying to pull the wool on folks here, as well as yourself.
Jeff numbers -
If he did these things would you vote for him? Seriously, would you?
People, you can't argue logic to a Cool-aid drinking troll. Wasted effort, though I know you are trying to educate the willfully ignorant. The GOP told us earlier this Summer that things like FACTS mean nothing to them.
@ Grover, I agree with most of what you say, but the end part about Social Security and Medicare should not be there. Neither add to the deficit, as they are insurance policies everyone pays into, or at least most - those who earn above a certain amount don't pay in fairly, yet still get full benefits, as they only pay the premiums up to a certain dollar amount. The problem is that everyone calls these premiums "taxes" when in fact they are not true taxes. Otherwise, you are spot on.
Tax cuts
Revenue in 2005 was $2.153 trillion – UP 17%
Revenue in 2006 was $2.406 trillion – UP 26%
Revenue in 2007 was $2.568 trillion – UP 31%
Revenue in 2008 was $2.524 trillion – UP 29%
Nice try Boblotsa numbers who forgets that the banking system was peddling sh!tty products and people were using their homes as ATMS. Which meant that they were spending money and thus tax revenues were expanding.
Econ 101: More $ spent by consumers = more tax revenues.
Jeeez republican stupidity will it never end!
@Redhead Ranting
You mean just like the republican vomit run states are making it harder for people to vote?
Or no one needed a photo ID until this coming election, Not bush 1 & 2
You also mean bush brother cheating for bush 2 in FL for the 2000 race?
You mean that fail.
Also if President Obama failed what do you call bush 2 as he came into office with a surplus and left the country in a complete mess since the great depression.
Grover Dorkquist
It doesn't end there Obama is completely and utterly responsible for everything. Its his fault that Bush ran up a 11 trillion dollar debt.. the iraqi war, etc. etc. And if its not Obama's fault, its all Clinton or Carters fault.
The right blames Obama if a fly farts in the middle of the Atlantic and causes gas prices to go up 50 cents. :-)
This is something I have been saying as soon as Romney said the 47% comment. The whole clip is being exaggerated to the full extent of possibility. Romney was referring to individuals that do not pay federal income tax, not to be confused with FICA tax. Romney was speaking in terms of political science to his contributors and was conveying the basic message that we will not spend their money going after the left but instead independents.
I think he put his foot in his mouth by saying the victim line, but overall it was just political science. I would love to hear the debates because I truly believe Obama can win on the issue side of things as opposed to using rhetoric against one another.
Romney's plan will undoubtably aid the wealthiest Americans while raising effective taxes for middle class by removing deductions such as Qualified home interest (Though he doesn't say it, its the largest deduction, that and medical expenses)
Romney can only run for so long, he must make a stand at the debates of this very well can be a landslide in November even with a stagnant economy (A historical feat)
Romney's stances don't add up to me......
Stupid policy on war in Iran, who in the hell wants yet another war?
He says he will balance the budget............by going to war, cutting taxes and increasing defense spending? That doesn't balance a budget.
Surrounding himself by George Bush Neo-Cons? These are the "DEFICIT SPENDING" morons who got us in this mess in the first place.
Romney sure as HELL ain't gettin my vote.
Grover -
WTF are you talking about? What does any of that have to do with my comment? Did you get confused?
It isn't about what anyone else has done, it's about what Obama has done. The buck should stop with him. He's the president. If there was a Republican sitting in office doing everything the same as Obama i.e. not knowing if Egypt is an ally, going to Vegas when our Ambassador is murdered, insisting he was murdered because of a movie instead of getting the protection he needed, not getting the economy going, refusing to meet with his Jobs council or all the other stuff that comes out daily which you refuse to even consider, he'd have been impeached.
But Obama gets a pass. Doesn't that bother you, just a little?
To misquote "The Heart of Darkness" by Joseph Conrad:
"Mistah Romney, he dead."
Dork -
What's your point?
Backhoser and Obama talk incessantly about the tax cuts, portray the tax cuts as a cost - lost revenue - when the historic fact is that they generated as much as a 31% INCREASE in revenue.
It is simply a liberal deceit that you cannot refute.
Regarding Bush's spending ...TARP .... etc., they were measures to correct the financial collapse .... The ECONOMIC RECESSION CAUSED BY A CREDIT ISSUE PRECIPITATED BY THE COLLAPSE OF THE HOUSING MARKET WHICH THREATENED THE MELTDOWN OF OUR FINANCIAL INSTITUTIONS. (It had nothing to do with the "2 wars" or Bush's tax policies.)
The single biggest reason for the collapse was the Commodity Futures Modernization Act of 2000 which turned our financial institutions / economy into a Las Vegas craps table. It was signed by President Clinton
Bush's actions?
He began in September of 2003 to create a new agency that have the authority to set capital-reserve requirements and to determine if a company was adequately managing its risk. Blocked. In 2005, Republicans introduced the the Federal Housing Enterprise Regulatory Act of 2005. Blocked again – Repubs 55 for / Dems 45 against.
Barney Frank, the ranking of Dem on the Financial Services Committee said ………
Mainly Bush and Repubs were called racists ……. Meanwhile Obama went on collect Wall Street money by a 4-1 margin, top 3 recipients of Fanny and Freddie money – 1) Dodd, 2) Obama, 3) Kerry ….. heck Obama's chief of staff, Emanuel, got more than McCain …… Chuckie S. / D. New York – something like $9 million from (as Obama says) …. "fat cats" from 198 to 2010!
Bottom line is that the recession started in December 2007, peaked in September 2008 and due to Bush's policies, ended in June 2009 before Obama's could have fixed anything even if he had a clue.
The last 3 years is an epic failure by a guy with a community organizer's understanding.
So much for reality .... now back to your delusions and deceits.
Romney! Release your tax records!
Grover -
Homophobic much? You spend an awful lot of time talking about the republicans in a very sexual way.
I have to repeat - what do your ramblings have to do with my comment? I'm talking about Obama and his failure as a president. I don't care who started it, who is lying or any other excuses. He has failed. Period.
He has no plans to fix it except by letting more time pass and blaming it on Bush and the republicans. He can't fix it. He is an impotent president because he can't take responsibility, just like most of his base.
way to dodge Redheads question and just ask another question. I am thinking you must be in the field of politics. Who do you work for Grover? you don't need to state the party, that part is obvious
RobMeHood faces heavy pressure from the GOP TeaReTarded Clowns to change his course of looking dumb as a bat with no brains, this snake is starting to worry most Conservative Repubacons, most real Republicans are walking away from Romney and his Tea Retarded friend VP RyRand !!!
Wait, 47% percent of Americans don't pay Federal Income tax? I thought PBO said everybody had to have skin in the game?
FYI - I think Mitt's tax returns are in the same lock box as PBO's transcripts.
Just saying!
How many time will Willard change course...if you can call his campaign to date as having anything that remotely revealed a course…LMAO – He has changed course so many times that his campaign looks more like a scribble than a path???? He is that proverbial sinking ship and the good news is that he’s taking the GOP down with him! - way to go Ahab!!!
Every time Willard "goes on the offensive," he steps on his dick. The teabaggers are just going to need to hope he can retreat into the WH by continuing to be a chicken hawk, because that's all he knows how to do it.
1. Mitt Romney wants the 47% to enter into gainful employment and prosper, become independent: Owebama seeks to foster dependency to government. Obama's policies are holding back business from expanding and hiring because of Regulations, Obamacare, and his redistribution mentality (see 2016, the movie)
2.As obama refused to display his Bith certificate, Romney is not bound to release his Tax returns
3. Obama never represented the 47% who voted for McCain. he didn't even bother to talk to republican's until he forced Obamacare down our collective throat.
4. Union greed, overtaxation, overregulation forced companies to outsource to other countries.
Backhouse
True someone created over4 million jobs. I doubt Obama can take credit for much more then creating jobs at the welfare office to help all the people Obama has put on welfare.
It takes 150,000+ jobs per month just to cover the "new" people entering the job market.
That comes to 6.5 million jobs since Obama took the wheel.
He's a couple million shy of a six pack.
Why don't you talk about who Obama sends money to in the middle east??
Here's a few fun facts. Something liberals hate.
Obama helped overthrow the governments of Egypt and Libya.
Egypt and Libya are now controlled by the muslim brotherhood and al-qaeda.
Obama has since sent them 2.5 billion dollars of your money.
Beginning in October Obama will send another 2 billion of your money to the muslim brotherhood and al-qaeda.
The "rebels" in Syria is al-qaeda.
Obama has sent them $150 million dollars of your money.
Al-qaeda is the muslim brotherhoods army.
Why is Obama sending your money to terrorists?
Everything else is just smoke and mirrors, keeping your eyes off what is really going on.
Afghanistan KIA
Americans killed in action under George Bush 2001 - 2008 970
Americans killed in action under Barack Obama 2009 to present 1,450
Injured under Bush 2k, under obama... 17k.
Over 18 million more Americans on food stamps since Obama took office.
It takes 150,000 new jobs per month just to cover new people entering the work force.
Thats 6.5 million new jobs needed since Feb. 2009.Obama has created 4.3 million jobs.
In January 2013 the new Obamacare taxes will begin.
It will add an average $1,700 dollars in new taxes on the middle class.
That is just the beginning.
February 2009 average gas price $1.89 per gallon
September 2012 average price of gas $3.88
Clint Eastwood just tells it like it is. He has no reason to BS anyone.
Clinton lied....Michelle lied....yet when challenged you can't come up with one example.
Typical low information Fox Entertainment parrot.
Fact of the matter is this: Neither candidate is worth a damn! You have the incumbent who will spend this country further into the ground, accelerate us into a Socialism nightmare, continue to divide this country, all while being a celebrity instead of a President. On the other hand you have an elitist, flip flopper, with no real plan, other than to continue the establishment government as usual.
Unfortunately, to get out of where we are, it will take sacrifice from both the rich and the not so rich. The rich will have to pay their fair share and the other will have to become responsible. - I don't see either happening. Down the hill we slide.
Only if he claims credit for American still flying. Or have you already forgotten the Democratic Convention, you know the one where they honored the troops by showing pictures of the Russian Navy, rally cry
Osama's Dead, GM's Alive.
Even when claim credit on a bumper sticker this President is not responsible for anything if it doesn't boost his image.
How many times can this tool retool??? I hope the neocons are happy they railroaded this a-hole through while destroying the party in Tampa in the process. How they touted this jerk as the only one who can beat Obama is insane. He's a corporate hack just like Obama...owned and operated by Goldman Sachs. You had one truthful guy in Ron Paul and you push this robot through? Oh wait, telling the truth disqualifies a candidate. My bad. Glad I scheduled a root canal in November instead of voting in this charade of an 'election'.
@Grover: It is impossible to keep a straight face while reading your obessive irrational garbage. If you believe half the stuff you say, I would assume you are locked up in your mom's basement so afraid that you might have to deal with the other half of the american people that you can't agree with or seem to understand. I was readinga book the other day about liberals, so tell me do you really hate these things about america?? you seem so angry!
WALMART: How about a handmade, locally sourced flat-screen television
instead?
STEAKHOUSES: There’s no steamed tofu on this menu.
McDONALD’S: The stranger in the playground handing out candy to
children.
FLAG PINS: It’s okay to love America, but not enough to wear it on
your lapel.
FOOTBALL: War with cleats and pads.
THE V-8 ENGINE: There’s just something plain wrong about all that
power and freedom under the control of one person.
SUCCESS: When you make more money than the rest of us, it hurts our
feelings.
THE FOUNDING FATHERS: A bunch of old white guys who are making it
nearly impossible for modern government to pick our doctors, teach our children,
correct our diets, and save our money.
I love how the media and Obama are jumping on the idea that Romney doesn't care about the 47% that are receiving some sort of government help. Obama says he is the president of all the people which we all know is a lie. Obama only cares about redistributing the wealth. We already know that he has pitted the rich corporations against the poor. He is the president of the 47% only because he does not represent the ones who pay all the taxes and create the wealth that he is taking and redistributing. I want a man in the White House who is looking out for the people paying all the bills and not the freeloaders who aren't taking responsibility for their life. I am not talking about people on social security or disabled vets receiving government help here either. Some we are obligated to help.
Romney/Ryan 2012
How about this just for kicks, we get someone in office, who isn't a professional party politician who spews party rhetoric as easily as they breath oxygen, and who doesn't believe taking away our freedoms one at a time is a good thing for our safety. Gee, why not get someone, who can take the good things from both sides(if there are any such things), and put them together and see if they will work. Imagine, just for a moment, someone who will work for all of the people, and will not shaft them just because of the party they follow. I know, I know, it's really a hard thing to imagine.
Harley probably owns a Rice Grinder, so much for buying American, what a Phony !!!
I almost wish that Obama does win. I plan on having t-shirts printed up saying - Don't Blame Me I didn't Vote for the Communist and Chief - . I bet I can make a killing on them - oops forgot, under Obama I should give all my profits away to the bottom feeders, illegal aliens, drug addicts, and fat lazy bimbo's that pop out numerous children from multiple guys.
So, EXACTLY how is Romney supposed to "shake things up"?
Is he supposed to tell what he's actually going to do?
In which case, expect a big portion of the 47 percent and a few percentage points besides to be REALLY ticked off with that.
Or is he supposed to do like he claims he did in that room full of campaign donors -- i.e., tell them what they want to hear?
In which case, who's supposed to believe him?
cal20, come on, REALLY? You say, "...Mitt Romney wants the 47% to enter into gainful employment and prosper, become independent..."
Half of the 47% are senior citizens. Those lazy old bastards better get off their ass and get a job.
And, really, too f'n funny. The Birther issue. REALLY?
Desperation = GOP = idiocy
Cal20,
1. Mitt's first responsibility will be to those who got him elected. As opposed to Obama's donors, Romney's donors represent the interests of the top earners. Romney's key issues are tax reform and domestic energy. I personally agree that domestic energy output should be increased, yet disagree on the manner of Romney's tax reform.
2. Obama has displayed his birth certificate...No further comment
3. Obama has given the 47% healthcare...If you want me to explaing the difference between nondiscrimatory healthcare and discrimatory that the aca dealt with effectivly I will further on.
4. Chicago Unions were greedy sure. Overtaxation...hardly look at 1944 highest tax bracket percentage, though you may have a heartattack, regulation on institutions that got the entire world into their greedy mistake.
Sorry Cal, no party is perfect, you don't need to lie or misrepresent to have an argument.
Harley Chic
and yet the bottom of the barrel schools are in red states.
and yet one of the most liberal states - MASS - has had the best education systemin the US. And no it was not because of Mitt. Queen Ann was incorrect. It was DESPITE of Mitts education budget cuts.
Barack Obama boosted by skewed NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll
September 18, 2012
By: Dean Chambers
U.S. President Barack Obama speaks to supporters on September 17, 2012 in Columbus, Ohio. President Obama spent the day in Ohio campaigning in Cincinnati and Columbus.
While the new Rasmussen Reports daily tracking poll released today shows a two point Mitt Romney lead in the presidential race, the new NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll released today shows President Obama leading by five percent, 50 percent to 45 percent. This survey of 736 likely voters, with a margin of error of 3.6 percent, was conducted between September 12-16. Unskewed, the data for this polls shows Romney leading seven points, 51 percent to 44 percent.
The sample included 32 percent Democrats, 38 percent independents and 25 percent Republicans. This poll clearly under-sample Republican voters. This data clearly differs with the Rasmussen Reports partisan data measured from hundreds of thousands of voters by Rasmussen Reports, which measures the partisan percentages at 37.6 percent Republicans, 33.3 percent Democrats and 29.2 percent independents. The difference means the NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll over-sampled Democratic voters by seven percent more than Republicans and a 11 percent more than the four percent Republican edge shown by the Rasmussen data.
While the NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll did not disclose the cross-tabs for presidential preference among Republicans, Democrats and independents, that information was calculated by extrapolation. That estimate shows Republicans and Democrats each supported their own nominee by a margin of approximately 95 percent to 5 percent while independent voters narrowly supporter Romney 48 percent to 41 percent for Obama.
When the data from the NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll is unskewed by weighting their reported percentages between Romney and Obama to the partisan affiliations showed by Rasmussen's extensive data results on that issue, the overall picture of Obama's approval to disapproval rating is different. With Republicans weighted 37.6 percent, Democrats at 33.3 percent and Independents at 29.2 percent, the results calculate to 44 percent approval to 54 percent disapproval. Likewise, instead of the reported 50 percent to 45 percent lead for Obama, the data actually indicates a Romney lead of 51 percent to 44 percent.
This survey is not the only such poll recently to be skewed by over-sampling Democrats to skew the results in favor of Barack Obama. Earlier this week, the latest CNN/ORC poll was similarly skewed. Last month on the Fox News segment "Campaign Insiders" today, Democratic pollsters Pat Caddell and Doug Schoen both confirmed their belief that major polls are skewed in favor of the Democrats by over-sampling of Democratic voters when the surveys are conducted.
So many of these skewed polls have been unskewed here in this column they are now averaged, in unskewed form, in the new UnskewedPolls.com UnSkewed Average of Polls that today shows Romney leading by 7.8 percent
I'm not a big fan of Obama, but it is all GOP's fault. WTF were they thinking picking up Romney, a sloppy Wall Street poster boy, to run against Obama? They are screwed, but that is probably good for the country.
jimsepa
they are also soldiers in war, disabled, underemployed, college students, single moms/dads.
yes, according to Mitty, they are all deadbeats and he doesn't give a flyin' f*ck about them.
Keep it up Grover and Backhouse, I just can't stop laughing over the comebacks from Redhead and Bob. And then throw in the stupidity of Harley Chic and the group comes up short on the intelligent scale compared to the Three Stooges. Their peanut sized brains can not comprehend the facts that you are laying out there. Someday they may realize how wrong they are and will shut off Fox News and come climbing out of their basements and join the civilized world.
I don't mean to be rude, but no American with even a "scintilla of economic intellectual acumen" could possibly support Obama unless they look forward to living under a bridge in Obama's socialist hell!
This is serious business and not a fantasy-land for fools!
Those who believe the upcoming election is somehow about political differences between Democrats vs. Republicans are the saddest of creatures serving only as pawns in a cleverly cloaked war of ideologies. In the face of an overwhelming abundance of more recently uncovered information, it has become evident Obama is not a true American Democrat, but rather a closet Marxist whose dangerous anti-American and anti-colonialism agenda has metastasized into a pathological cancer on our society.
Excessive debt brought about by deficit spending acts like a cancer on any nation or society. Cancer grows and cannot be contained without serious and often invasive intervention. As a result, the cure itself poses serious side effects. We can look to Greece as a sort of microcosm that effectively illustrates what Obama is doing to America with what may go down in history as the "most reckless fiscal policy in the history of the industrialized world."
In the case of the Greek economy, it experienced a negative growth rate averaging over -3.3% for the last 4 consecutive years and reached a debt to GDP ratio of 165% in 2011 prior to the most recent debt restructuring effort. Their unsustainable public sector wages, pension commitments and reckless fiscal policy served as drivers in collapsing their economy. It is important to note that their meltdown actually began to gain significant steam back in 2009 as their debt to GDP ratio hit 112% .
That is precisely where Obama will have placed America by 2013!
What are you planning to do when the dollar collapses?
If you are so self-deluded or self-absorbed you think it can't or won't happen, you don't even deserve the right to vote!!
@ 1.24 Redhead Ranting
He's a failure...
Not bad for someone ahead in the polls.
It's so sad to see this once great country pissed away. . .
Our country is still the greatest country in the world. You should be pissed away!
You guys should really pat yourselves on the back.
On this you are correct and we, the people who will be voting for Obama, are doing so daily. Thank you for your kind thoughts!
You've done a great thing by electing this person . . .
Thank you again!
. . . who sees a very different America than you are used to.
Yep, those Bush years sucked!
It's sad that . . .
You're as out of touch as Romney which shows in your posts.
. . . Obama can win . . .
and will! Glad to see you came around to our way of thinking, again, thank you.
Oh, and by the way, you should really know what you're talking about before you get on here and spout hot air.
Even Republicans aren't happy with DumbNuts Romney.
So do us all a favor and go back to blowing up your party balloons.
Romney/Ryan - Slip Sliding Away
Obama/Biden - 2012
Backhouse in the outhouse? November 2008 unemployment rate 6.8%. Under OBUMMER it rose to 9.8%. almost a 50% increase with a democratic congress. The people with the money, the intelligence, and the job creation talents have no faith in Obummer and they have shown it. Where are the people who create jobs and why haven't they created jobs? Answer is that they have no faith in Obummer.
What ever happened to critical thinking skills, reasoning, cause and effect, etc......? How did we get to this point? For all of those blaming Obama for not fixing things fast enough, rethink your position. Because of the years of abuse and misuse of political power, wars and spending by the previous administration, we started in a downward spiral. We didn't get where we are because of the Obama adminstration. We are fortunate to be where we are because this administration was able to slow our descent!
And more food for thought, just think where we would be with a McCain/Palin administration.
Right. And there are no elderly, living off Social Security and savings, and there are no military, and there are no working poor, and there are no disabled.
I love how Romney told the military that they're slackers, too.
But he wants 100,000 more of them for no specific purpose so that they don't have to pay taxes, either.
Grover Dorkquist
You serve as a testament to a failed American educational system!! Can you possibly be as ignorant as your posts imply?
If you want a clearer picture of life under Obama, go live in Greece!
I watched Obama on Letterman last night address many things including the 47% of us Romney doesn't care about. Obama didn't 'Slam" Romney, but he did very elegantly address it.
Obama is a class act!
As for Romney? Apparently he didn't attend classes!
Obama/Biden 2012
Shake things up?!!!!
Romney's up 2 points in Rasmussen polling nationwide and up 1 in swing states!!!!!
But the Obama palace guards in the media keep trying to push that narrative.......
And on the deficit, Obama discusses this on Letterman.
But the Bush tax cuts are generally costed around 370B (with no allowance for revenue due to growth)
The two wars cost around 250B a year, and Medicare D in 2007 cost 50B a year. So my with "Bill Clinton" Arithmetic this comes to less than 700B a year. Now in the interest of fairness I will allow that there was extra one-off spending in 2009 due to the financial crisis. But lets look at Obama's policies from 2009.
On tax cuts he still wants to spend 300B a year. On the wars he escalated Afghanistan so that it alone costs 118B a year, and he has increased the benefits in Medicare D such that it now costs over 70B a year.
So my question is, if the Bush programs cost 670B a year, and his own plans cost around 500B a year, why do we still have $1T+ in deficits, and why is this STILL Bush's fault?
http://costsofwar.org/article/economic-cost-summary
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medicare_Part_D
It's striking how the right wing commentary has declined lately. The remnants of right wing defenders is down to Harley Twit, Bob the boob, and Deadhead Ranting.
But, there's still hope that these remaining Romney supporters (or more accurately, Obama haters) will snap out of their trance and see the reality of the Romney/Ryan ticket.
In the mean time, it's simply amazing to see how many ways they can spin reality into fantasy justifications. Keep it up the three of you. It makes for very entertaining reading.
Another reason the smart righties are hand wringing over Romney's campaign is that they are starting to see that the chance of retaking the senate is slipping away. Most intelligent right wing politicos know that this guy is causing the party damage.
That is like blaming Obama for not putting out a fire when the r/tp/con cabal keeps the fireman away from the hydrants. Obama has earned blame in many cases, but the complete refusal of the r/tp/cons to even agree to their own platform if Obama is in favor of it, shows how disingenuous both you and your party are.
With all of the problems in this country that Obama has been blamed for, this election was myth romney's to lose. To show just how "great" and capable he is, he took what should have been a somewhat easy win for himself and turned it into total chaos. He can fool the low intelligence and the Obama hater crowds, but he can't convince the rest of the country that he is fit for any job other than maybe a Baghdad Bob role...in Baghdad.
He hasn't got a chance in the USA and that pisses the r/tp/con crowd so badly that they are throwing out any lie that they can in hopes of buying myth a vote or two. The right picked from the bottom of the barrel instead of picking someone like Huntsman. If there is any blame to be laid, it is squarely on the r/tp/cons who hate Obama more than they love America.
The GOP "establishment" better wake up quick and smell the coffee. We conservatives are tired of the GOP backpedaling and afraid to talk about the issues. The GOP is afraid to tell the public that we believe in the free market.
EVERY time we have had an economic collapse in United States history it is because of government interference and the GOP continues with the "we have trouble" and "we can't tell the people that". BULL$#%#!! We were told during the primaries that ONLY Romney could beat Obama and we all told the GOP that was baloney. MOST of the people in this country CARE about this country and know that a strong conservative message works if you tell the people the truth and the status of this country. We are on the verge of collapse but NOOOOOOO the GOP pushes Romney - a moderate.
I didn't think Romney was the best candidate but the last few months he is saying the right things. Government is too big. Taxes too high. Too much dependency on the government. Entitlements bankrupting this country. We conservatives are HAPPY Romney is talking about these things!! Then the GOP "establishment" comes along. Well, the GOP "establishment" better realize that they are on the verge of a mutiny and if they keep this up a NEW party will take its place. The Tea Party will take its place. Just like the Whig party collapsed and most joined the Republican party if the GOP doesn't start listening to the PEOPLE of the party they will find they collapsed just like the Whig party and the Tea Party will take its place.
Romney is the ONLY candidate speaking about growing the economy where EVERYONE benefits. You liberals can jump on the quote but are being disingenuous because you KNOW what he meant. What he meant is if 47% (it's actually 49% - but whose counting) don't pay taxes then an argument that lower taxes will benefit the economy falls on deaf ears. He did NOT say 47% are "lazy" - what he said was Obama tells these individuals they are VICTIMS!! Big difference. Republicans believe that a person can be anything they want with hard work and sacrifice. Democrats don't.
So you have a choice. Elect Obama and you have the NEXT four years even more failure than the LAST four years because he has offered nothing different. Typical liberal believing you can do the SAME thing and get a different result. OR you can vote for Romney that knows HOW businesses work and what is needed to get them hiring again.
And to the GOP - as far as I am concerned you have less than 50 days to prove to me you stand for my conservative values. If not - I am done with you and I am moving my support to a new party whatever that name might be: but it won't be the Republican party. So GOP you have less than 50 days to change my mind.
How does a TOOL retool?
Robme/Lyin only for the 1%ers
Obama/Biden Forwards not Backwards
You know why people on First Read seem to have a hard time understanding the opposing point of view?
Because the brain is turned OFF while the mouth is turned ON.
Seriously, if you want to know where stupid arguements like Romney's foot in mouth, or Obama taking too long to respond to things that need immediate response, you can look at their most avid supporters. People who think Obama 'does no wrong' really need to have their head pulled out of their rear. People who think Romney 'Is just telling the truth' need a similar proctology operation.
Look at these comments up here on First Read! I could find SuperPAC commercials that make more sense about their candidate.
Only a radical numbskull thinks there are only 5-10% of independent voters who decide an election. Because crazy people like to pretend everyone is just as stupid crazy. It fits their fantasy world. And is a great way to excuse their prejudices and pidgeon holing.
You can count on Republicans and Democrats, so far, as to be so dumb that they do nothing to prioritize the economy while saying that the economy is all they are about. Romney doesn't look like he'll fix the economy as job number 1 and Obama doesn't look like he's done it so far. Doing that could be a way to win the election, but Democrats and Republicans so far have shown they have more important things to work on than work for you.
Redhead Ranting-
Show us your tax returns. You haven't even shown us your 2011 yet.
More specifics. We're still waiting. All we hear are promises, nothing but.
If Romney did this, I doubt that anyone would vote for him- That is why he is NOT doing this.
From NPR:
By grouping those who don't pay income taxes together with those who he says are "dependent upon government" and therefore support President Obama, Romney has earned "three Pinocchios" from The Washington Post's The Fact Checker. It writes that:
In fact, while Romney seemed to say that the president will draw most of his support from those who pay no income taxes, a Tax Foundation map highlighting the 10 states with the highest percentages of "non-payers" shows most are Republican territories:
— Alabama
— Arkansas
— Florida
— Georgia
— Idaho
— Louisiana
— Mississippi
— New Mexico
— South Carolina
— Texas
hahahaha
Romney insulted his own voters
@Grover, when you say suppressing the voters, do you mean the legal ones or the illegal ones who should have no say in our country anyways? Give me a break lol.
Forgot, I'll send you a response when I see Mickey Mouse voting 'again' this November...
"Good old GOP-favoring Rasmussen has Romney ahead by 2."
Ohhh, I see. So MATH favors the GOP?
Keep trying to forward The Narrative....
Why weren't our embassies better protected on 9/11?
What did the State Department know in advance?
Was Ambassador Rice instructed to lie?
And here's the Wall Street Journal's editorial page: "Surely a man as smart as the former CEO of Bain Capital can give a better speech on taxes and dependency than he delivered at that fundraiser."
Here's a shocker for the right wing - CEO's and other big paycheck guys REALLY AREN'T ALL THAT SMART!
They're usually hired for their connections, not their thinking ability.
Does that mean they're not actually worth all that money? That it's just a cult of wealth?
You be the judge.
Yes, by all means keep throwing up irrelevant information, non sequiturs and blame everything on the guy before you.
Just like the president.
Quiet One-2-3 -
Unlike the liberals on this site I don't vote based on who everyone else is voting for. I don't have to wait for someone to tell me what to think and then go and regurgitate their talking points. I also don't have to resort to name calling, personal attacks and any of the other methods you employ to deflect from the real issues.
You know how I know Mitt's a Republican?
Because he LIES so much.
Here are the facts about how this country is funded:
36% of all federal revenues now come from PAYROLL TAXES.
Only 17% of American households don't pay income or payroll taxes - mostly the disabled, elderly and students.
Rich folks like Mitt Romney, however, pay NO payroll taxes - since they don't count their income as wages.
And corporate taxes are at their lowest level in the industrialized era - down to only 8% of total federal revenues.
Sources of federal revenue, 2011
Sources of federal tax revenue, 1945-2010
That's more than Mitt paid.
This message brought to you by Charles and David Koch - "What's in your wallet, and your account, and your house, and in that old coffee can buried out back?"
Willard and Lyin Ryan will lose by a landslide. Look at it this way Teabagger, Racists, welfare collectors, at least he doesn't have to release his tax returns!
The GOP has sprinkled fairy dust on the ignorant, racist, welfare collecting nitwits to make them think that they have their best interest in mind. THEY DO NOT.
A VOTE FOR "I AM NOT A CROOK" WILLARD IS A VOTE AGAINST YOUR OWN INTEREST!!!!
SHOW US YOUR TAXES WILLARD!!!!! WHAT ARE YOU HIDING! ? ARE THEY IN A QUIET ROOM?
OBAMA/BIDEN 2012
The paid Leftist bloggers are out in full force today.
But with 23 million Americans out of work, you have to get some dough where you can!
*43 months of unemployment over 8%.
*19% real unemployment
But what did we expect from a President whose only private sector job was as a part-time law instructor?
The 47% include:
Seniors who have worked their entire lives and now live on SS that THEY PAID for.
Our military soldiers, fighting for our freedom, who do not pay income tax on their combat pay.
People who WORK, but do not make enough money to pay income tax after child deductions... but they WORK.
College students who are also WORKING part time, but do not make enough to pay income tax... they still WORK.
Disabled citizens who are physically unable to work.
THESE ARE THE 47%
Now... Republicans feel that ALL of these people are lazy, worthless, pieces of s***. Republicans HATE these people. Republicans look down on these people, as victims who live off the government and expect a handout.
THESE ARE THE 47%
These are the people that Republicans insult. People that work, but do not make enough money for Republicans to consider them valuable. People who fight our wars. People who have worked their entire lives, and now live on the SS that they paid for. People who are in college, trying to better themselves.
THESE ARE THE 47%
Those are the FACTS. So you have to ask yourself: Are these people lazy? Are these people victims? Do these people not work hard? Have these people not worked hard?
Are these people the enemy that Republicans claim?
The lines are drawn. The choice is clear. Do you stand with Republicans, insulting and hating these people? Or do you stand for those hard working people, trying to better themselves and our nation? The choice is yours.
Alex: Owebama is no different his allegence is to his backers: the GM bailout had nothing to with the company nor it's shareholders, it was about maintaining the UAW Union (the chief was included at the DNC Convention), he wanted the generous economic backing of unions, Owebama didn't show his birth certificate untill forced to do so AFTER the election (thanx Donald), the majority of the 47% aleady have Healthcare in the form of Medicaid/medicare. And the US has a higher Corporate tax rate than Canada, compare US taxes to other Industialized countries, it's up there. Unions, mostly Public sector Unions continue to push local governments into bankrupcy.
Mitt. Pick something and stand by it!
This poll doesn't break down the registered voters and their affiliated party or even the likely voters! Tsk Tsk Tsk.... Silly poll!
If Obama is doing so great, then why is the middle class shrinking? Remember he cares for the middle class, allegedly anyway! The middle class family is currently bringing home on average 2-3 grand a year. Now that is love Mr. Failed President!
Libs you always give a pass to this guy for ALL of his failed policies and promises. I am sure Obama is a nice guy, but he has no clue what the hell he is doing and surrounds himself with people just as incompetent.
If Bush was "Unpatriotic" for his adding of 4 trillion dollars to our national debt then by all means Obama you have FAILED by your standings.
Probably the most concise, accurate summary I've see today.
There will be no "shakeup" of the Romney campaign except perhaps in the form of a sacrificial lamb. Why? Because it is the intention of Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan to eliminate ALL protections for the poorest Americans. They don't want to lie about it, so they avoid details instead. That's so Americans can't tell them they lied about their intention to strip the poor and elderly of all government benefits if and when they get into office. They'll say "we didn't lie", but in fact it will only be by omission that they will be able to say that. They are trying to undo the policies put in place by FDR during and after the Great Depression, when the poor and elderly died of exposure, dehydration, starvation and a host of other illnesses. They do this so that they can squeeze every last cent out of the "lesser" peoples of this country while his "Americans" are dining on yachts and traveling on private jets.
This is no game, America: Mitt Romney does not gaze upon the world through his bulletproof glass windows; instead, Romney has adjusted the lighting to such a degree that he sees only his reflection. And oh, how Mitt loves that reflection.
I think the only part Mitt Robme got right is that there is 47% of the population that are solid Obama Supporters that wouldn't touch Robme with a 10-foot pole.
All the other stuff Robme said was just insults because Romney knows he cannot sway Obama Supporters, we are stalwart and unwavering.
Obama/Biden 2012
Even though I am one of many Americans who has paid lots of taxes, and would be happy to share the returns if I were running for public office, I can't imagine why Princess Mitzi Romney would want to soil his tender little pink hands with the governance of a pack of mutts like us.
We're all just dogs on top of your car, right, Princess? By the way, where are your taxes? Did you pay any taxes at all in those buried years?
Clinton is a proven self-serving liar.
I am disheartened by the many folks out here who claim to be businesspeople who obviously have no idea how the economy works and how, in order to stimulate growth, you have to have policies designed to CIRCULATE money through the economy, rather than to concentrate it in the hands of a few.
This is basic Econ 101, folks. It's not some communist manifesto.
Putting large sums of money into the hands of a very few does not accomplish the purpose of circulating money. Beyond satisfying their personal excesses, the few create very little demand in the economy in general. They tend to squirrel their money away where it cannot circulate through the economy or stimulate growth or jobs.
Mitt Romney is a prime example of this skewed thinking. He is a man with vast personal wealth, but how many houses and cars will he actually buy, as compared with taking the same amount of wealth and "redistributing" it by creating jobs for a lot of people. Because they make less, they have to spend it, which in turn circulates it through the economy to others, who then turn around and spend it, too. They buy more cars, refrigerators, food, DVDs, prescription medicine, health care, restaurant dinners, clothing, mocha-caramel lattes, flowers, or what have you. THEY are the job creators, not people like Mitt Romney.
Mitt Romney -- at least in his current iteration -- is a wealth hoarder. There is a BIG difference between those two.
A properly crafted taxation policy will re-circulate wealth through the economy. If Romney is a legitimate business man who actually BUILDS things rather than tearing them down and stripping off the assets, he can make even more money on the re-circulation than it cost him in taxes. If he is a hoarder, he obviously will not.
Which is exactly why he favors the tax policies that he does. They are designed to benefit him. He doesn't care two beans about you.
Romney was calling the 47% that pay no income tax a liability without taking in consideration that most of them work a job and support themselves. They just did not make enough to be required to pay federal income tax. Now to call someone a liability simply because his employer doesn't pay him a fair wage is idiotic and shows how out of touch Romney about what is happening in this country.
There is seriously something wrong with a party that thinks that everyone should be like them while they hold everyone down with low wages and sending jobs to China. They border on anti-American.
Ah but he couldn't hold a candle to the Bush administration including Bush himself.
http://pearly-abraham.tripod.com/htmls/bush-lies.html
Thanks for the roughly 15 posts after mine to prove my point! Living the stereotype you guys. Well done!
Grover Dorkquist -
Prove it.
G. Dork......
Obama had a majority of Congress the first two years. Not a super majority but a majority nontheless! So what did he do for the economy? Well he passed his stimulas package, which lets just be honest didnt do a damn thing. Liberals will say it stopped the economy from going any further in the tank. I would whole heartedly disagree because the economy was going to bottom out regardless of throwing 1.2 trillion dollars (With interest) at it. It would of bottomed out without throwing ZERO dollars at it or 20 Trillion dollars at it. Fact is, Obama said it himself, "The shovel ready jobs, werent as shovel ready as we had hoped"! All with a silly laugh as he said that.
So what else did Obama do for the first two years? Oh yeah ACA (aka Obamacare) How is that fixing the economy? Certainly isnt reducing the average family 2500 a year as Obama promised for premiums.
What liberals....What has he done? You talk about what Romney would do or wouldnt do but its all SPECULATION to a point! Look at the way things currently are and that is reality.
Right On Schedule: The republicanCrimeCartel Created this disaster back in
Reagan's time and Perfected it with the Bushies, especially With KingGeorge the
VacuumBrained during his NOTORIOUSLY SHAMEFUL Shrubber Reign 2001 - 2008. THEY
ARE Causing this Depression we are back into to get people mad at Prez O and
vote for Rommel and EddiMunster, his love mate. YOU KNOW what Rommel's got in
mind For US???: A HUGE American military, OTHER PEOPLE's Sons fighting Newly
thought up And VERY PROFITABLE WARS for 1-5%ers Riches and Corporate Wealth, And
NO American Universal National healthCare System. Does ANYONE KNOW what the ceo
of United HealthCare took Home for 2008 Salary? Hold onto your hats!!!:
$128,000,000 *C A S H* WHILE, Mind You, their paid policyHolders were denied and
DIED. The FACT that America HAS NO Universal HealthCare System like THE OTHER
COUNTRIES, WHO TAKE CARE OF THEIR CITIZENS who need medical attention and help
instead of fattening the
wallets of the EVIL Rich and paying for Unending
Wars, IS A NATIONAL DISGRACE!!!!!!! FACE IT Sister and Brother Americans, Rommel
IS ON THE SIDE OF THE FAT INSURANCE COMPANIES And WILL MAKE SURE We Americans
Are Denied A Wonderful HealthCare System. YEAH, A LOT of US are mad at Prez O;
The Man Has ROYALLY SCREWED UP LATELY: He let the $4.00+Gas and oil go by
without a protest OR Complaint to the Justice Dept Going after the oil companies
for Price Fixing And PRICE GOUGING. AND that shaking hands with karzai of afghan
after what he said????? "thanks sucker taxpayers..." NONETHELESS, Has ANYBODY
got an idea what republicanCrimeCartelSoldierRommel will do to US and ANY
economic progress made?? He WILL GUT US LIKE A FLOPPIN' FISH ON THE
DOCK.....You're gonna' see Unemployment up to 40% and NO Social Security..Gotta
Pay for New Wars And NO MEDICAL CARE At All; republicanCrimeCartelPanacea:
Sick??, No "health care insurance policy"? awww.. Sick?..Well, DIE
QUICK!!!!!
AS "healthcare" policies cost SKYROCKET out of control. And Rommel and his
LoveMate Lyin'Ryan, Like Rommel and Goebbels, are gonna' give you the
republicanCrimeCartelPropaganda Lies; You Love Your Family? Don't Go for it. You
Don't care?? Go Ahead, vote for these two Politaphiles and see what
happens......................... Here's the rundown on Mitt Romney's devastating
record as CEO of Bain Capital, a tenure marked by bankruptcies, bailouts, and
mass layoffs — all while Romney and his partners raked in Billions of Dollars in
profits for the firm and Romney himself amassed a Quarter-Billion Dollar
Fortune. Romney's Bain Capital Caused Mass Layoffs, Sent Jobs Overseas Thousands
of Americans were laid off by Bain Capital at companies it purchased, managed,
and, at least a quarter of the time, drove into bankruptcy, ruining Lives,
Destroying Careers and Families including Many Many Suicides While stuffing his
pockets, Keeping his Darling son
OUT of service to his country with the line
"My son is Fulfilling his Patriotic Duty by helping me get elected"...Got that
one?? and, Of Course, installing the InHouse car elevator for his "darling
little boy's $180,000Ferrari....Listen Up People...This guy IS Count Dracula In
carnate. A vote for ANY Republican politico is a vote against Yours and YOUR
FAMILY'S Well Being. You can take that to the bank.
jimsepa: although 47% pay no income tax the rate of citizens getting more out of government than contibuting to govt appraches 50%. Even excluding retired seniors who put their money in, more and more Americans are getting more and more government handouts. from Food Stamps to Medicaid. We don't need more Government programs at the expense of taxpayors, we need jobs and properity!
look at owebama's failed economy... you want 4 more years of this?
"You're a liar...
I reviewed you past posts...and all you have done is called people names and insulted others..."
Grover, would you care to post some of those as quotes for all of us to see, because I couldn't find where she called anyone names or insulted them? I ask, because, if you're going to call someone else a liar, you better have some proof to back it up with. If not, wouldn't that make you the one who isn't being truthful?
All you teatards, birthers, flat earthers, religious fanatics, mindless dittoheads, evolution deniers, Fox noise cultist, conspiracy theorist, gun crazies and all around 15th century Republicans better get used to President Obama because he's not leaving office until January 2017. Mitt Romney is one of the most worthless candidates in the history of this nation with no ideas to fix anything other than the failed policies of the past. Talking about In God We Trust on money, birth control, birth certificates, teleprompters, college transcripts and wars on religion while yelling socialist and Marxist over and over doesn’t attract many voters. And if you don’t come up with some new ideas and find an entirely new group of leaders, a Democrat will win in 2016.
CelticPagan: Yes, you DO get your full SS benefits, but the amount you get depends on the last quarter that you worked. This means that some people get less than others based on their salary and what they made during that particular quarter. People don't all get the same amount of Social Security benefits....it differs quite a bit based on salary, etc.
Excessive lies in all of Romneys ads are causing people who can validate the facts easily by a couple of clicks with their mouse are sinking this clown of a man. Liar? Of course he is. Go back and google his run for the nomination and see that even his opponents accused him of being a big liar. Fact check sites expose him everyday and his campaign says they ignore those sites and keep lying anyway. The man is an empty suit as he not only has failed to produce his tax records but he promised he would to his Republican opponents in the debates they held. So since some of his opponents probably knew what was in them since he did turn them over to a past candidate when he was going for VP they must be a doozy. Think about it if the one he released is the best he has what can the rest be about? The only proof these trolls from the right have that Obama has failed is their words. Obama righted a sinking ship and put us back on a slow course back to prosperity. He reduced the private sector unemployment rate to just over 7% while the right wing governors like the clown in Wisconsin laid off as many government workers as possible to add to the "lets make Obama a one term president" crowd.
Now we see what a mistake we made in the last congressional elections. Many were sent the to improve our lot and they not the President failed us. Instead of cooperating they thried and in many cases stalled tabled watered down almost all of Obamas wants to improve the economy and now they want to blame him for it not accelerating fast enough. Repbulicans think we are stupid like we cannot even see and hear things the right way like this crap.
This is something I have been saying as soon as Romney said the 47% comment. The whole clip is being exaggerated to the full extent of possibility. Romney was referring to individuals that do not pay federal income tax, not to be confused with FICA tax.
Not only is that a lie buthe also reitterated it as being just what he said and that is anyone who does not pay taxes is a free loader. Its ok for rich creeps to pay 13% and not be called a free loader but let a guy living check to check and taking deductions to not have to pay additional taxes and he is the free loader. My take is the rich guy is the free loader. I will leave it up for you to decide who is the biggest drain of the two keeping in mind how much the government spends to protect the rich people hoards here and around the world!
The president deserves a second term and some support in Congress and the Senate which is trending that way. Obama today just went over 50% approval rating. He is up 5% national over Romney and projected to win all of the swing states. Get your people out to vote because contrary to some beliefs voter fraud is the proud partner of the GOP not minorities who they are trying to supress.
Obama had nearly a ten point lead after the conventions
Thats a bald faced lie they have been within 3 points all along. Stop looking a FAUX
"Yeah...because we all know the GOP/Tea Tards wants everybody to own a shiny new handgun and AK-47 with a 30 round clip....and no one to have health care!!"
Lol, nothing like painting everyone with a broad brush, is there Grover? Do the political hack thing much?
Redhead Ranting:
Wow. You really have a bad case of diarrhea of the mouth and constipation of the brain today......................
"Mitt Romney is one of the most worthless candidates in the history of this nation with no ideas to fix anything other than the failed policies of the past."
I agree, but I don't see the Obama record as being so stellar in itself.
Grover Dorkquist banned, rereg of Hugh Class=.
Republicans are setting up Romney to be the scapegoat for the shellacking they are about to receive in November, when in fact they brought it on themselves. First, they adopted a strategy of obstruction with the stated primary objective of making Obama a one term president, rather than cooperating to fix the economic mess created by the prior administration. After they were unsuccessful in blocking heath care reform, they villified the Affordable Care Act to undercut Obama from claiming credit for accomplishing something that multiple previous administrations had failed to do, then nominated the author of the plan the Act was modelled after. They made a big stink about the budget deficit and raising the debt limit, undercutting their traditional strategy of pandering to the electorate by promising tax cuts, placing their candidate in the untenable position of having to explain how he was going to deliver both deficit reduction and tax breaks simultaneously. They allowed their party to be hijacked by activists concerned more about ideological purity than competence, leading to a crop of candidates where someone completely out of touch with the average American was the best choice among a field of idiots and nutjobs. Republicans will harvest the fruits of their missteps in November, but will apparently blame Romney rather than doing the kind of soul-searching required to learn from their mistakes.
Grover: Exactly right. The capital gains tax where most giant money is being made off slave labor is only 15%. Can you believe Romney and Ryan both want to eliminate this tax. Insane! Unless you are a wall street billionaire with no vision or values. The capital gains tax needs to be doubled now. It is one of the biggest cause of the obscene income gap and the deficit.
In the one year I know about the Saudi royal family made 250 billion off our rigged market while 401ks were tanking. The Emir of Kuwait has several hundred billion in that same market. We have spent lives and billions defending these two total dictators. We are the cash cow for big money and the pigs make it off the backs and lives of helpless low paid workers. We will reject this greed and evil and call it what it is are go into depression and chaos.
Moderators, would you please callapse or ban Dork from this post. He/her/it is being blatantly disrespectful to others and is extremely annoying. There is no intelligent thought in any of his posts, only childish name calling and troll baiting. I can only assume that he is probably not even old enough to vote and is only playing on his moms computer to inflame people on the vine.
Thank you Tyler!!
I was too slow at the computer and posted moments after the ban.
Mellissa - "Even though I am one of many Americans who has paid lots of taxes, and would be happy to share the returns if I were running for public office, I can't imagine why Princess Mitzi Romney would want to soil his tender little pink hands with the governance of a pack of mutts like us."
How about this:
Even though I am one of many Americans who has went to college and would be happy to share the transcripts if I were running for public office, I can't imagine why Princess Obama would want to soil his tender little pink hands with the governance of a pack of mutts like us."
How love how people hold people they like to different standards.
People love Bill Clinton, yet he passed DOMA, Don't ask don't tell, welfare reform, lowered capital gains taxes, and said the era of big Government is over.
Those same people that love Clinton, love PBO, yet he overturned DOMA, Don't ask don't tell, wants to raise capital gains taxes, amped up Welfare to an all-time high, and basically said the ERA of Big Government is coming back bigger and more broke then ever.
One more thing, PBO ran on a platform of Hope and Change with no idea other than I am not Bush and the Dems love those ideas didn't ask for any details.
Mitt is running on I will do the exact opposite of PBO with very few details and the Dems demand specific detail.
Hypocrite is the word you see when looking for in the Mirror.
Because Mitt said he doesn't makes it Obama and the Media's fault? What universe do you live in where up is down and black is white?
I couldn't believe it when I heard what Romney had said. I hadn't planned on voting for him and I would never have voted for obummer.
But since Romney verbalized the ovbvious I will cast a vote for him. I am finally excited about the upcoming election.
Patriotmark, there are a few people out here who get paid to do the political hack thing. The sad part is, they do it because they are out of work, and will do anything for an income.
How about we all take our partisan blinders off and spend an hour checking out Gary Johnsons website. Then go on to google him and see he is the only honest candidate that could unite the country again and get us on a track to prosperity once again, so our children will have a country to live in, free from fear and oppression. Wow, what we could do as a population if we weren't so stinkin' smart!
I can't believe anyone still supports this team of clowns. If I were a Repub, which I'm not, I'd vote for Gary Johnson before this train wreck.
Romney/Ryan - The Not Ready for Prime Time Candidates
Obama / Biden 2012
thinker, your nothing like your name.
Romney pointed out the truth, Most of the 47% (really 49% or 51% if you include the employment tax credit) of the people living off their neighbors aren't going to vote for someone that says something has to change because we can't afford to have half the population not paying Federal Income taxes.
Hey Grover DORK. Yeah, Romney is quite a man. At least he isn't a Socialist who hates America or a Muslim who hates America. We are becoming weak in the eyes of the world because of Obama and his policies and his constant apologies for America. He needs to go.
I have a question for you.....is that what you really look like? Holy cr-p you're ugly. You seem to be on this site all day long day after day berating people. Is that because you can't find a job and don't have anything better to do? Or is your job to berate people on this site? Does it pay well?
Hey PJ , thanks for the IF I were a Rup, I'd vote for somebody besides the main guy running against my guy quote.
How about this, If I were a democrat , which I'm not, I'd vote for Hilary Clinton.
Honest question what made Obama/Biden ready for Prime Time in 2008, that Romney/Ryan don't have this time?
Just SHUT UP! and lets get to the vote already. I'm 45 years old and this has been the longest 4 years of my life. Most of the people in this country have already made their minds up anyway. They will vote with their party no matter what they do. If Obama committed mass murder he would still get the same votes. If Romney peed on the Lincoln Memorial, he would still get the same votes. All they are fighting for are independents who probably hate both of them but know that they have to make a choice.
If you vote just because of race, or just because he's a Democrat or Republican, then you are clearly NOT the right people to be voting. If that's the way people are voting then it's not the political parties who are screwed up it's the American people. If you are one of those people, then just please stay home and let those of us who truly care about the future of this country decide who we feel will do the better job. This is NOT a popularity contest it's an election. We shouldn't be voting or OUR guy, we should be voting for THE guy. And we should be voting for people who care about what Americans want and how Americans feel, not just about their party's agenda.
I feel like we are in a civil war. A war between D's and R's. The D's win a skirmish here...the R's win a battle there, but no one is really winning and the country suffers for it.
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What's so stunning is that no one on the left questions the president. He's a failure and yet they blindly support him and his policies. They aren't concerned with realityYo red,
What's so stunning is the fact people like YOU on the right didn't question the President when it was bush. Yet YOU blindly supported him and HIS policies. Seems like YOU need to stop listening to Faux Noise and start thinking (yes, I know that is difficult for those of you on the right) for yourself. I love the hypocrocy of the right: it's ok when my President/Congress does it but it's wrong (evil?) when those on the left do it. You remind me of the kid who didn't like the rules of the game so he'd take his ball and go home. What that kid never realized, nor do you, is this nation is much better off w/o the participation of you and your kind.
Well, to get back on topic. The thing about Romney's attidude that is the most shocking to me is that he managed to ignite a fire in my normally calm husband who seldom expresses his distane for those of the other party, even though he won't vote for them. He is now fired up and ready to work for President Obama, the 47% statement made him a little angry, but Romney telling him that because we don't make $200 - $250,000 per year we are not in the middle class absolutely set him on fire. We both work every day, have since before we were 17 years old, even worked in college, and together we don't make over $100,000 per year. And we are not complaining, guess we are not greedy enough to be made about being under paid. Heck, we thought we were once again middle class after George Sr told us that is what we had to make to be middle class. Guess all those years of hard work and thinking we were working/middle class is something Mr. Romney choses to throw out the window. Sorry, I'm not voting for anyone with an elitist attitude. I don't care if someone is rich, don't care what they paid in taxes, or what grades they made. None if it is going to do a thing for me and my family - but when we work this hard for so long to get shot down by someone who would not know hard work if it hit him in the face is pretty insulting and seals our votes for President Obama.
This is funny!! obumbo screws up the economy so that unemployment stays at 9% and then he actually pits the poor dummies against the very people who create jobs and into supporting him for reelection!! Only in America!!!! LOL LOL
What a bunch of leftist tools. BSNBC throws you this bone to deflect Obama's failures and you jump on it like a pack of jackels. Foaming at the mouth and all. Romney stated the obvious: you rob Peter to pay Paul and you'll always have Paul's vote. Like the Pigford package Obama was a part of, paying people to have a plant in their window and call themselves farmers. Just another way to waste money by the community organizer whose job it was sniff out other people's money to spend. That's how he found the Valerie Jarret ATM. Obama started in 2009 by turning the reins over to Pelousy, Reid and the Clintons so he could party and golf, and he has been neutered without Pelousy.
Romney/Ryan 2012 the end of an error
Mitt Romney has insulted more than the 47% he was aiming for. Here's why: from now until November 6th, Americans are going to be learning from Mitt exactly what he considers the welfare recipients in this country to look like. They look like our veterans, who draw a "freebie" from the American government in the form of vet benefits, healthcare and housing. They see the elderly as "mootches" and the poor as subhuman. They care so little about the old, the poor and the disabled in this country that they would have no problem closing their magical window blind to the plight that consumes our country. I do not mean this in figurative terms: the wealthy right-wing highjacked the Tea Party. They have fooled almost every conservative republican and religious American, and with the help of a bottomless well of money they are as close as any party has ever been to buying an American election.
That's why Mitt's slip of the tongue is going to cost him so dearly. Because when it comes right down to it, and each and every American voter walks into that booth they're going to be asking the question that every American must ask: "was he talking about me?"
I can assure you, Mitt; more than 47% of Americans will say yes he was.
Anna Molly Way up there in the posting. It is nice to see someone who actually knows how our economy thrives. Simply awesome. Even Ford knew that giving his employees a RAISE during one of our worst economic times. Was the smart thing to do. In order to have a healthy economy money does have to flow.
And the middle class that is barely making a comeback. Is the right place for that recovery to happen. Back during the last depression. Our Government created jobs and yes SPENT money. It is not as bad this time. There are no voucher programs. No rationing. I want a government that understands. Investing in America at the middle class and SMALL BUSINESS level is where it is at.
Not at the Corporate level not at the CEO level. And not at WALL ST's level. I am sorry but Mitt is so far away from understanding that TAXES should pay for Infrastructure here at home. For the good of the NATION.
That's not socialism that's a working Republic. The Capitalism will come the growth will come. And Wall st. will make money. the FAR right top 1% the FAR left the Bottom 20%
Moderates everyone in the middle. Bipartisan everyone in the middle. I am pissed at the republican led Congress for not working our President for the amount of time they could have. We could have created BONDS rebuilt our failing infrastructure so many jobs put on hold.
And then for Romney to say that 47 % of Americans dont pay taxes are on the doll. Screw that pompus TOOL
Willard Romney will not win this election. Doesn't matter what He does or doesn't do. Few, who will though, vote for Him, like Him. A whole lot larger number dislike the hell outta Him and won't vote for Him. An even larger number do not trust the man. Even so, some of these will vote for Him, but an even larger number will not. President Obama's economy could be exploited by the right Candidate, but not Romney. His innate issues of likeability and trust are much more prevailing in the minds of the electorate than the weak economy of a very likeable, and trustworthy sitting President. When one adds Romneys refusal to release His past income tax returns, the lack of trust issues go through the roof with the electorate. Too, Romneys way of speech and personal mannerisms add to the perceived lack of character of the man. But then, much of the republican hierarchy knew all this when they selected him as their candidate. Read 'em and weep.
Crystal, Romney threw that bone. Poor Crystal,just look at you desperately trying to defend Romney and your own stupidity. LMAO I love it. Whine some more Crystal. You're amusing me.
Romney --- the FACE of class warfare and failure.'
http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2012/09/06/charlie-crist-says-he-didnt-leave-gop-it-left-me/
“I didn’t leave the Republican Party – it left me,” Mr.
Crist told the Democratic faithful gathered at the convention Thursday night.
“Then again, as my friend Jeb Bush recently noted that, Reagan himself would
have been too moderate and too reasonable for today’s GOP.”
In his remarks, the party-switching former Florida
governor lauded Mr. Obama for his swift response to the financial crisis and
accused the Republican nominee Mitt Romney and his running mate
Rep. Paul Ryan of practicing an unyielding brand of partisan
politics that would make it impossible to revive the economy.
“They’re beholden to ‘my way or the highway’ bullies,
indebted to billionaires who bankroll ads and allergic to the idea of
compromise,” Mr. Crist said. “Ronald Reagan would not have stood for that.
Barack Obama does not stand for that. You and I won’t stand for that.”
How did Mr bin Laden take Obama's apology? Does anyone know? Is he still offended?
TorpedoYou
three things:
1. with all the revenue, Bush not only borrowed money, he also managed to leave our economy as sh*t.
2. Tax cuts are supposed be temporary; they are supposed to work as a defibrillator - not as life support.
3. Tax cuts are not good in time of war (and especially two)
This is what the 47% believe in and all of the partakers of Obamalaid
How easily bamboozled, our former middle class...
Ruck Fepublicans!!
Ruck Fepublicans!!
Ruck Fepublicans!!
There is little more that can be said about both candidates that hasn’t already been said. My preference is for a candidate who says it as he sees it, no bull, rather than the one who says one thing one day and does the opposite the next.
Also at times I feel that the President would gladly vacate the WH but he hangs on simply to make sure history views him as a 2 term president. All one needs to do to confirm my observations is to look at him, most of the time he appears to be somewhere else.
Here is the MAJOR problem. All of these right wing fools love to throw around the term "failed" and then list of a bunch of statistics, some of them accurate but some of them not, and then blame all of it on Obama. But to do this they must ignore the entire presidency or Bush, Reagen, and Clinton, act as if there is no outside money influence pushing on both parties, and believe to their souls, despite no evidence aside from right wing loonies like Limbaugh and Hannity, that Obama is a socialist who hates America and wants to make it a failed nation. Pathetic and deluded best describes these fools who cling to failed ideas and myopic ideology.
No, No No, this former Young Republican now an old Democrat wants things to go the same Greed and confusion seem to work for Romney just fine! Remember that the men I voted for years ago, Nixon, Goldwater and Reagan would be considered Liberals by today republican party!
Wow, when the ProBusiness rats start jumping ship, you know she's going down!
Welcome back from the dark side, guys!
Maybe many of the 47% wouldn't be in this group if Mitt didn't send their jobs over sea's. When you work to move forward and then your job is taken from you and given to people in another country for cheeper wages it sets you far behind. That happened to me one time and you just can't go out and find another job. I was embarrased to get help from welfare. I went to the local food bank and got groceries for my family. I eventually found work and between my wife and myself we still could barely make it with no extras. But the Romney's understand this because like Mrs. Romney said, while they were in college they had to dip into their portfolio and use some of those funds. Almost made me cry. But I am sure most kids dip into their portfolio's to help pay for college. The Romneys have no clue about real people and real problems. Obama 2012
@ 1:107 Redhead Ranting
I don't vote based on who everyone else is voting for. . .
Just on what Fox News tells you, huh.
I don't have to wait for someone to tell me what to think . . .
Maybe you should as your post 1:107 states you have a peanut sized brain.
. . . regurgitate their talking points.
Nope, mine were original. Your points? pointless and not worth regurgitating.
. . . name calling . . .
Not I, but then again, Stupid is as Stupid does!
. . . personal attacks
I really wouldn't want to get that close to you.
. . . deflect from the real issues. . .
No deflecting as the "real issue" is you're full of hot air.
I do thank you for acknowledging my post and always remember . . .
A Brain Is A Terrible Thing To Waste!
Oh, sorry, I forgot, one must have one before one can waste it.
Obama/Biden - 2012
Why "Shake things up"?
Gallup has Romney ahead by about 3% among Likely Voters, and Rasmussen has Romney ahead by 1% among Likely Voters both nationally and in the 'Swing States'.
Perhaps it's Obama that needs to 'Shake Up' his campaign.
PS - As expected, the NBC Poll oversampled Democrats again by 28% - which was even higher than the 21% actual party identification advantage that Obama enjoyed in 2008 - when Democrats had record highs for Party ID. If they used current surveys indicating slightly more Republicans than Democrats (as demonstrated by the Republican blowout in the 2010 mid-term elections) NBC's poll would also have Romney ahead by about 2%. Of course that wouldn't play into NBC's narrative that Romney is 'desperate' and Obama is 'in control'. NBC's bias towards Obama is unprecedented, but understandable since NBC is controlled by Obama's buddy at GE - Jeff Immelt.
bayllie "TorpedoYou
ROTFLMAO!!!!
It's always amusing to come here on the oft-lauded PMSNBC/NBCNews.com and listen to the mindless chatter of the Liberals/Progressives as they try to support the disaster of the past 4 years.
As I watched our Redistributioner-in-Chief, Barrack Hussein on the Letterman show last night I saw a man totally disconnected from reality. As he was grilled with burning concerns such as, is it legal to make beer in the White House, he couldn't remember exactly what the debt was when he took office and he didn’t think the debt was a problem now. Why worry about something as trivial as the debt when there are more poignant concerns such as beer, and meeting with the likes of Jay-C, Beyounce and of course, my favorite, the "Pimp with a Limp".
Pander much?
As I read all the comments from the Liberal cabal who does embrace Romneys claim as "victims", I can only sigh in disgust how much Barrack Hussein has devolved the spirit of our great Republic. Not a single mention of HIS "plan" for our economy. His class warfare meme about taxing those mean, nasty, fat-cat, rich people will only generate about $700 billion over 10 years by the OMB. This amounts to $70 billion a year which will pay for 7 days, as we spend $10 billion a day.
Of course no one wants to touch the TOTAL of the mean, nasty, economy crushing Bush tax cuts, which by the way is $3.7 trillion dollars. Why? Because, contrary to the Liberal/Progressive lies, the people who it affects the most ARE the middle and lower classes. To the tune of $3 trillion!
Now, please don't come back at me with the imbecilic "fairness" argument. That this distribution is, somehow, not fair. It is determined by a percentage, this is the ONLY fair way anything can be determined. It cannot be determined by "emotions" or what you "feel is right". These are irrational arguments often driven by dysfunctional envy.
No one also mentions that Barrack Husseins own budget (if we could ever get one passed) predicts an increase in our debt of $10.6 trillion over the next 10 years according to the Congressional Budget Office. So even if we eliminated ALL the Bush tax cuts we won't come close to keeping up with the massive spending.
Revenue is NOT the problem. Spending is.
ROMNEY/RYAN 2012 for real Americans
RealAmericansFirst "Here are the facts about how this country is funded: 36% of all federal revenues now come from PAYROLL TAXES. Only 17% of American households don't pay income or payroll taxes - mostly the disabled, elderly and students."
It's INCOME taxes that are supposed to pay for operating the government and paying for Defense.
ALL of the money that the government collects for Social Security and Medicare is supposed to go into each employees "Trust Account" to build a reserve for that employee's retirement and medical care expenses when they retire, so they do not contribute to general operating expenses of the government.
For the government to take this money and spend it on buying votes with welfare programs is unconscionable. The huge cost of running the government and paying for Defense is entirely paid for by the 'Rich' (top 10% pay 70% of the income taxes) and the Middle Class (this 43% of families pay the other 30%). The bottom 47% of income earners pay nothing.
Michael-4273928
OK Mikey, I'll play.
Now, tell me exactly, well even within 10% +/-, how many jobs Mitt has sent overseas. Now, by saying he SENT jobs overseas you mean off shoring, not outsourcing. So it should make it easier for you.
Like I said, I'm assuming you mean off shoring, but seeings how you know so much about Mitt and his off shoring and outsourcing I'll give you the opportunity to tell us how many jobs he has outsourced. If you like you can also inform all of us how many of those outsourced jobs went nationally, meaning here in the states, and how many went internationally, meaning to other countries. There is a difference between outsourced jobs that went international and offshore jobs. But I'm sure you know that.
Oh, and if you can, give me a link to your source(s). I like to check these things myself.
Oh, one more thing, be careful how you answer this, because I can almost tell you exactly how many jobs GE has outsourced, nationally and internationally, and offshored. You know, GE, the international conglomerate that Jeff Immelt, Barrack Husseins "Job Czar", is CEO of. I can also give you Apples numbers if you're interested.
Good luck Spanky!
ROMNEY/RYAN 2012 for real Americans
Here's the truth about what the polls show - based on history;
Gallup has Romney ahead by about 3% among Likely Voters (7 day average) - there is typically a 4% spread between Registered vs Likely voters in favor of Republicans because Republicans are more likely to vote.
Rasmussen has Romney ahead by 1% among Likely Voters (3 day average).
NBC would have Romney ahead by about 2% if they used current Party ID surveys instead of artificially inflating Democratic sampling by about 30% - slightly more voters self-identify as Republicans vs Democrats now (witness 2010 elections).
There are an estimated 8% of voters undecided, and historically, pollsters say they split about 80% for the challenger (Romney in this case).
If the election were held today, Romney would likely win by about 6%, possibly slightly more.
Larry-2260635
Romney was calling the 47% that pay no income tax a liability without taking in consideration that most of them work a job and support themselves. They just did not make enough to be required to pay federal income tax. Now to call someone a liability simply because his employer doesn't pay him a fair wage is idiotic and shows how out of touch Romney about what is happening in this country.
There is seriously something wrong with a party that thinks that everyone should be like them while they hold everyone down with low wages and sending jobs to China. They border on anti-American.
Larry, this couldn't have been better stated
My regards,
Rusty
The problem with these numbers is how much Bush kept off the budget. For a real idea of how much Bush spent, you have to look at the increase in national debt. For instance, the numbers you quoted are not all the story - in 2007, the national debt increased $1.8T!! Where did all that additional debt come from if Bush only had a $160B deficit?
For the other years you mentioned:
Revenue in 2001 was $1.991 trillion, but national debt increased $100B
Revenue in 2002 was $1.853 trillion, but national debt increased $1T
Revenue in 2003 was $1.782 trillion, but national debt increased $0.6T
Tax cuts
Revenue in 2005 was $2.153 trillion – UP 17%, but national debt increased $0.6T
Revenue in 2006 was $2.406 trillion – UP 26%, but national debt increased $1T
Revenue in 2007 was $2.568 trillion – UP 31%, but national debt increased $1.8T
Revenue in 2008 was $2.524 trillion – UP 29%, but national debt increased $1.7T
In short, the tax cuts didn't have a damned thing to do with the increase in revenue. It was an increase in government spending that did that. Look at the employment numbers during that time: Bush almost doubled the size of government, adding more government workers while the private sector grew hardly at all. More government workers, more government spending, more tax revenue. And, since Georgie kept that spending off the budget, it all looks good. But he put it all on the government credit card, increasing the national debt!
Bush spent this country into a hole and trashed the American economy in the process! He started with a $5.7T debt and more than doubled it, adding $6.2T in 8 years!
EEngineer "The problem with these numbers is how much Bush kept off the budget. For a real idea of how much Bush spent, you have to look at the increase in national debt."
You're mixing apples and oranges, and you clearly don't understand the difference between Deficits and the National Debt.
Every penny of the war costs WERE included in the Deficits under Bush. To claim that the difference between the increase in the National Debt and the Deficit is the result of 'hidden war costs' can be easily debunked - How do you explain how the total Deficits under Bill Clinton amounted to only $320 Billion but the National Debt under Clinton increased by $1.627 Trillion? Did Clinton spend $1.3 Trillion on hidden war costs?
The REAL reason for the difference between the increases in the National Debt and the total of the Deficits is the 'funny accounting' used by the government - when the government 'borrows' money from the Social Security and Medicare 'Trust Funds', they call it 'Revenues' and spend it just like any other source of funds, claiming that they used the borrowed money to 'reduce the Deficit', but they had to record it as more debt. That's the main reason that the total amount of increase in the National Debt over the last 50 years is roughly double the total Deficits over that same time period.
PS - Bush handled the war costs in the exact same manner as Obama does - with 'Additional Appropriations' that have to be approved by Congress.
As Mitt Romney's poll numbers nosedive, the arguments here on the vine, coming from the right, are becoming even more childish in their prose. I would not have believed that possible.
Tut, the only thing that you are noticing is that there are more conservatives posting than there used to be. Not to long ago this site was a liberal/leftist self-love massage fest. Romney's numbers aren't nosediving, except on liberal/leftist sites like this one. Note how hard the Obama propaganda sites push positive Obama stories, demonize Romney and push 'articles' that are biased to the extreme. Note as well, when Romney speaks the Obama media makes concerted efforts to demonize and twist (the 'tapes' were rather seriously edited to twist content) while giving Obama a pass.
The Middle East and the death of an Ambassador were seriously downplayed, and this was done to cover-up for Obama. Obama's only real talents are in campaigning and as to actually leading the country? Please, takes too much time away from campaigning. If you want real news you have to go to the foreign press or alternative sites, the mainstream media is pathetic in their covering up and slavishly devotion to a failed presidency.
Real news affecting all Americans is ignored because it is frightening. The corporate controlled media isn't telling the facts or the truth about the economy, the debt and the ramifications of QE3, if those facts were truly covered Obama would be toast and he is already toast except to his loyal supporters who don't take the time to research stories or pay attention to issues that are of real importance, they only parrot talking points that they have been fed, like a loop, the same statements are repeated over and over, rather like Alinsky's 'if you repeat a lie often enough it is take as truth.'
When you're looking at that nearly solid blue U.S. map on November 7th, tell me your little story again.
Welcome to the cognitive dissonance blog...
or, Make up your mind...
“Romney has run a terrible race to this point, but, with that said, he can still win,” said one Republican pollster who asked to speak on background so as to offer more candid analysis. “There's no data point out there that says this is an unwinnable race.”
Data points aside, there is one reason this is an unwinnable race. Romney. He is distasteful, arrogant and a puppet. Need more? I got a whole bag of sheet right here with his name on it.
What I want someone on the right to explain to me is.. If Obama is doing so bad, why has Romney been trailing in the polls for the ENTIRE campaign? Shouldn't he have destroyed Obama in the polls and be the 'clear' majority here? Mmm.. Romney hasn't had a COMMANDING majority ONCE.
Obama 2012/Romney 1040
Obama had nearly a ten point lead after the conventions. So, why is he down to only a five point lead now? Especially, after all this non-sense about Romney's supposedly appalling comments at that fund raiser.
The headline on this thread intimates that Obama is running away with this thing, and the fact is that he isn't.
5 points is NOTHING at this stage of the game. In fact Bush had a double digit lead over Kerry at this juncture in 2004, and he wound up winning the election by only 3%.
The fact is, that this thing is far from over, and Romney could win.
It's just going to take some time for the message to resonate, that we cannot continue on the fiscal path we are currently traveling. Unemployment is too high, and has been so for too long. (40+ consecutive months with 8% or more unemployment). $5.5 trillion has been added to the national debt since Obama took office. Eventually our kids, and theirs will have to pay for that. What's more, this "recovery" we're in consists of fewer jobs, lower wages and rising food & gasoline prices. All the smoke and mirrors in the world cannot hide those facts.
I don't know about any of you.
But, I'm in that 53% who work, take care of their families, and pay their taxes without any government assistance, and Obama just hasn't done anything for us.
Democrats for Romney 2012
Have you looked at what makes up the entire 47%? 10%+ are elderly citizens, MANY of which already paid into the system (SS/Medicare), and now drawing out what they paid in. Oh wait, they shouldn't be eligible to receive any of it right?Oh wait, this is what the GOP calls an entitlement.. Does this mean those elderly should NOT pay sales tax? How about not paying local/state property taxes? What about any other taxes they PAY. That entire 47% is not what you think it is, and the problem with many, is they do no homework to understand it.
The rest of your comment is good reading, and I'll grant you Obama has not done everything right, but if ROMNEY was the right candidate, the american people would have rewarded him with a commanding lead in all polls.
Of the choices available, Obama is clearly the right one.
You left out QE3. That is something that no one seems to understand the ramifications of. Obama is ok with it, Romney said no. Now, if you like inflation, paying more and more for less because the dollar ain't worth squat, you will love Obama.He's been railroading that all along and no one really seems to grasp that. National debt is the single most dangerous threat to the nation and no one is paying attention, too busy watching Obama while he appears on Letterman while ignoring his financial, national security and other advisors.
As to Romney and trailing in the polls, do you understand media bias?
Ya gotta love the radical right's logic....
Gee, if your team is so great, how come you only beat us by two touchdowns??
A butt kicking by any other name is still a butt kicking, ZMan.
ZMan2012 I agree that our economy is in the crapper but how exactly is electing the Mitt going to improve anything. His economic policies of taking from the poor and giving to the rich are not going to make things better, except for the 1%, and are more than likely going to drive us deeper into economic depression.
mygirl1
I'm ignoring 99% of your comment. Everything you just described started LONG before Obama came into the WH. Gas prices alone SKYROCKETED under Bush and never came back down. That alone forced the rise in all gas prices.
As for media bias... yes, I understand it. However, Faux news??? etc. The GOP signed their own warrant when they forced Romney to move from the middle to the far right. The economy is important to me, but when a party wants to FORCE their religion, who I can marry, and what women can and cannot do with their own bodies on America, its MORE than just the economy.
well to hear the left brag that the DOW is at an all time high. Forget inflation.
thats a lie. you mean before bush was out of office gas was at nearly 4 a gallon (in some places over 4)? I believe gas nationally when Obama took office was a 1.84
I now know why you would ignore mygirls comment. facts suck. blame GOP/BuSH/Faux news.
Caesar, before you call someone a liar, check your own facts: the inflation rate alone (about 1.7%) CANNOT account for a 60% increase in the DOW. Check out the chart at the following link that trends inflation rate with the DJIA returns: http://www.forecast-chart.com/dow-jones-inflation.html
Facts suck, huh?
There is no reason to retool... this is exactly what it is about...
socialism vs capitalism
Do you want Socialism, redistribution ideology?
The only people making a big deal out of the Truth that romney exhorted during this fundraiser are liberal pukes who want to place social issues over financial ones. Why continue to throw money down a black hole when it is not COST Effective. If the country can't afford it, it shouldn't be done or at the least, a hatchet should go to other areas to make up the difference. we can't afford every social program that is presently set up and something has to go. Some people will be naturally upset but it needs to be done in a logical way. what makes more sense, dumping more money into medicare for seniors nearing the end of their life cycle or putting more money into pediatric care. Continue giving COLA increases to Social security beneficiaries who contributed miniscule amounts during their working years as opposed to what they presently draw out, and justify it by comparing it in terms inflation. I don't want to hear about what costed 10 dollars fifty years ago is really 1000 today. BS. If you put in 10 dollars you get out ten dollars plus a littkle interest. It should be capped at no more than 110% of contributions. If you payed in 100K, you draw out a max of 110K for the duration of your life. The seniors are draining a system they contributed little in funding. Why should the young pay in 500% more than those drawing now when they know they won't even expect to draw close to their contributions.
The race is slipping away from Romney? They need to rephrase that statement: it has slipped completely away. Even the GOP SuperPacs are diverting funds from the presidential race to congressional races because they know it's all over for their candidate. After the presidential debates it will be all over except for President Obama's victory speech.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/2012_elections_electoral_college_map.html
http://elections.nytimes.com/2012/electoral-map
http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/2012/romney-vs-obama-electoral-map
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2012/ecalculator#?battleground
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/karl-roves-electoral-map-if-election-were-held-today-obama-would-win/
Are you really saying the DOW is over 13000 right now because of inflation? You made me laugh out loud with that little nugget, Caesar! Thanks for the humor, although I don't think it was intentional.
Why did the Republican committee that put on this fundraiser not properly Vet who they allowed into the dinner?. Why was a Liberal activist even allowed to enter, let alone tape a private conversation. I don't even understand why there is damage control on this. everything he said was right. Obama is brilliant in his pandering to the Gays, Women, Anti semites and Blacks. He has blinded people from seeing how bad his economic policies are by spotlighting social causes to use emotion to spark voters instead of intelligent investigation of what his policies will end up costing us. The true cost of most won't come due for years and well after Obama is gone, we will all be suffering with less money, less freedom to choose, and a society run amok. I guess it comes done to how far one is willing to go and what is important. If a program costs 1 trillion dollars and will save 1 million people but there is no money to pay for it, Are you on the side that spends it anyway to save a few lives or does fiscal sanity rule and if it can't be payed for, it's not meant to be. The answer to that question shows your colors.
I get a chuckle when viewing Republiccan Poll numbers.
Faux Noise Polls have Romney beating the President by double figures in most Blue States, and by 20 points on all Red States....where do they get these numbers from? Lolz
Only thing I can think of is some Redneck cooking the numbers somewhere inside a hot trailer, with a .45 pointed at his head...
Heres a joke for ya:
An East Kentucky couple, both real-live rednecks, had 9 children. They went to the doctor to see about getting the husband "fixed". The doctor asked them why, after nine children would they choose to do this. The husband replied that they had read in a recent article that one out of every ten children being born in North America was Mexican and they didn't want
a Mexican baby because neither of them could speak Spanish...
OBAMA needs to take the gloves off and really go after Dumb & Dumber he needs to bring to light why these guy's would sign a pledge to a private Organization along with all the other Republicans which limits their ability to do their jobs !!!!! I'm sure the majority of the American people want those answers !!!!!!!
>>>>>>> OBAMA/2012 >>>>> CLINTON/2016 >>>>>>>>
As to Romney and trailing in the polls, do you understand media bias?
Got news for you he is doing worse than they say he is. Go out in the street and talk to people. My neighbor a Republican is voting for Obama not because he really really likes him but he thinks Mitt will destroy the country. Then ask your self why is Romneys campaign in turmoil? Usually at this juncture you would expect their campaign to throw out a bunch of lies to combat his sinking ship but wait they already did that....In reality in an election like this one with the economy slooooowly recovering and high unemployment the opposite cadidate from a sitting president should be ahead bu upwards of 10 points unless the electorate knows it is not the fault of the sitting president.People are smarter than Republicans think they are. Most have taken the time to read up on the why's and where withalls of this election and found that Romney is severely lacking in structure. After all he was a one term governor of a state that he took to 47TH in job creation and was so bad he ran from trying to get reelected. Oh yes to you "Christians" he put in place the Supreme court in Mass. that ok'd same sex marriage!Btw how christian is it to not feed starving children? You do realize that almost every red state that votes Republican will be the ones who suffer the most from his and Lyin Ryans policies dont you since they are the states who take more from the federal government than they pay in......
You give far too much credit to media bias...Guess we should pawn our brains and tune in to FAUX news....Dink the Kool aid Karl is serving over there....
This election reminds me of Dumb and Dumber...or maybe, Evil and Eviler??? Both canidates are BIG MONEY and money is the root of all evil...My hope is that we don't keep losing our FREEDOMS whoever gets elected!!! This is the dirtest election!!!
DOM: Anyone can attend a fundraiser if they pay the price, and if they want to "record" what is being said, that's their perogative. The problem is that Romney lets his alligator mouth overload his hummingbird aZZ! And, what he said is NOT correct....47% of those people who Romney says don't pay taxes and are a "burden" on society actually DO pay taxes of one kind or another. Some of these 47% are disabled, elderly, retired, etc., but they DO pay taxes whenever they buy groceries, gas, etc. AND, they DO pay taxes on their Social Security income.
Zman....I agree...no problem in Romney campaign. Continue as before men! Full speed ahead!
I know how Romney can "shake up the race" he can drop out right now........
I agree navyvet, full steam ahead. Crash
Backhouse
You seem to be the Obama mis-information machine here.
True someone created over 4 million jobs. I doubt Obama can take credit for much more then creating jobs at the welfare office to help all the people Obama has put on welfare.
It takes 150,000+ jobs per month just to cover the "new" people entering the job market.
That comes to 6.5 million jobs since Obama took the wheel.
He's a couple million shy of a six pack.
Why don't you talk about who Obama sends money to in the middle east??
Here's a few fun facts. Something liberals hate.
Obama helped overthrow the governments of Egypt and Libya.
Egypt and Libya are now controlled by the muslim brotherhood and al-qaeda.
Obama has since sent them 2.5 billion dollars of your money.
Beginning in October Obama will send another 2 billion of your money to the muslim brotherhood and al-qaeda.
The "rebels" in Syria is al-qaeda.
Obama has sent them $150 million dollars of your money.
Al-qaeda is the muslim brotherhoods army.
Why is Obama sending your money to terrorists?
Everything else is just smoke and mirrors, keeping your eyes off what is really going on.
Afghanistan KIA
Americans killed in action under George Bush 2001 - 2008 970
Americans killed in action under Barack Obama 2009 to present 1,450
Injured under Bush 2k, under obama... 17k.
Thats 6.5 million new jobs needed since Feb. 2009.Obama has created 4.3 million jobs.
In January 2013 the new Obamacare taxes will begin.
It will add an average $1,700 dollars in new taxes on the middle class.
That is just the beginning.
February 2009 average gas price $1.89 per gallon
September 2012 average price of gas $3.88
Clint Eastwood just tells it like it is. He has no reason to BS anyone.
Did I forget that we are now $6 plus TRILLION dollars deeper in debt???
Sane people know you can not borrow your way out of debt.
As far as Obama protecting social security, welfare benefits, free healthcare, veterans benifits etc where will the money come from after he bankrupts the government??
2 credit downgrades is a clue to what is to come.
FORWARD??????
"Romney faces pressure to shake things up"
Ya... uhhhh.... seems any more shaking and that soda is gonna explode.
Still better than being sold an empty can.
For you liberals, that is a reference to Obama.
Nah Mittens is a full can of chit. The more he talks, the more he stinks.
His best strategy was to just shut up and hope for the best. That worked pretty well for him to get nominated, but eventually his true character came out.
Right the ship? You might as well try and right the Titanic.
Good night Irene, turn out the lights. Buh bye Mittens, your political career is OVER. He might not even realize that yet, but the GOP will abandon him like cancer when he loses - and it's going to be at least a 9 pt loss (HUGE).
Ron Paul was GOP's ONLY hope and they shat on him. GOP is doomed until they recenter and forget about the RWNJs.
- A former member of the GOP (but no longer - FUGG 'EM)
You can count on only one thing and that is division. No matter how many flaws you point out in Gov. Romney and his vision for America, the "conservatives" have been programmed to respond in a negative fashion. What NO ONE seems to understand is that the problem is with an obstructionist Congress and Senate that will NOT pass legislation to ease the suffering of the American people. They will not comprehend that Mr. Romney's business experience is in putting many people out of work. They do not comprehend the irony of Mr. Ryan being an Ayn Rand fan. There is no word for "compromise" which is what is needed of all statesman who are supposed to represent the American people. All Americans need to decide what they believe in. The "Christians" who want to throw the poor, sick, elderly and displaced workers under the bus are not really true Christians are they? Those who want to carpet bomb the Middle East after church on Sunday are the hypocrites Jesus despised. I have no issue whatsoever with those who "cling to guns and religion", all I ask is for those same individuals to look at their belief system and see if it really matches the message of Jesus Christ. Jesus Himself was in the 47% Mitt Romney doesn't worry about but then again, a Mormon doesn't believe Jesus Christ is God. " Because Mormonism denies the biblical truth of who God is, who Jesus is, how forgiveness of sins is attained, and what the gospel is, Mormonism is not Christian." Look it up.
They can shake up the etch-a-sketch. He'll still lose.
President Obama has nothing to do with the gas prices going up! When they were low a few months back, no Right wing Nut gave him credit for that!!!
The GOP is grasping at straws to prop the TIN MAN up, unfortunately, he has rusted and tHERE is no OIL!! WILLARD WILL LOSE BY A LANDSLIDE! HE IS AN EMBARRASSMENT TO THE GOP AND TO THE WORLD!!!
WILLARD KNOW THAT HE IS OUT MATCHED AND IS BIDING HIS TIME SO THAT HE COULD CODDLE HIS TAX RETURNS AND COMPLETE HIS CAR ELEVATOR IN MALIBU!!
OBAMA/BIDEN 2012
If Obama can simply sign an Executive Order allowing illegal aliens to stay in this country without fear of deportation, then he can certainly sign one to put a moratorium on oil speculation in the stock market and allow the free market to dictate the price. I guarantee you that the price of oil will drop tremendously, as it did in 2008.
When that happens the price of shipping goods will go down and as a result the price of goods will go down as well. When that happens, I'll have more cash in my bank account to buy goods and take vacations, to pay my mortgage.
When all of that happens the economy turns around.
BUT NO ONE WANTS TO DO ANYTHING ABOUT THAT.
What we need in this country is a fiscal plan. These people we elect could care less about the people who elected them. All they want to do is count their money and read about the suffering of those who go to bed hungry in this country. Makes me want to puke. These clowns have been influenced by lobbyists and special interests such as Norquist, the Koch brothers and Trump. Romney is a crook and Obama aka "stinky" thinks he can $hit gold and expect you to buy it. Lets face it, know matter who you elect this fall, in the end you will be disappionted.
I'll bet Romney doubles down by airing even more of his dishonest TV ads..... Yeah MItt that's the ticket.... lie to us some more.
Memo to Marie Antoinette : How's "let them eat cake" workin' for you?
No, but I am not in the undecided category. Those are the folks this election will be decided on, and the folks he may have screwed up with. AND according to the latest polls Obama leads. And that's every current poll, even if some he only leads by one point.
So you tell me, didn't Mitt Screw his pooch after strapping him to his SUV or didn't he? :D
Oklahoma Rep. Tom Cole, stop lying.
By September 1980, Reagan was clearly ahead in the polls and pulling away.
If anything, President Obama pulling away at this point is like President Reagan pulling away from Carter at this point in the race.
Democrats started to run from Carter in September 1980 and Republicans are starting to run from Romney/Ryan today.
Deb - "Republicans are starting to run from Romney/Ryan today"
Really? Who ran away from him?
Obama has been toxic to his party for years, as was evidenced by the correct decision to avoid him before the 2010 midterms and the continued shunning of association to this day.
Hard to believe you're operating on that low a level of information.
Not really hard to believe. The Teapublican party counts on low levels of information. Who in their right mind would be solidly sold on voting for Romney/Ryan with NO specific policy details, no information on what tax "loopholes" they plan to eliminate (mortgage interest deduction, anyone?) Vague statements about creating jobs and raising the military budget? I'll tell you who. People with low levels of both intelligence and information or the very wealthy and their families. If you are in the 47% classification and vote for Mitt, you have been fooled and exploited and if he were to win, you will pay for it. Romney/Ryan want Americans to go back to the days of the Great Depression, wandering the country looking for work to "accept personal responsibility for your life" and stop looking for the government to provide any source of support for you or your families, young, old or sick. They want war. They want their donors to take over Social Security and Medicare so they can further loot the treasury.
But you still didn't answer the question NevadaJ... Just more running of the mouth.
Time is short ladies and gentalmen... enjoy Obama while you can. Nov. 6th will be here before you know it.
Poll numbers dropping like a rock and Republicans bitching publicly and you guys have to ask "who's pulling away". I knew you guys were ignorant but geez. How you manage to function on a daily basis is a complete mystery.
Why is anyone surprised that the poll number for ALL Republicans are dropping............. American voters are waking up to the fact that Republicans are selling the same old snake oil. Of course American voters are also seeing how worthless the Republican/Tea Party congress truly is. Americans are not stupid and are finally beginning to realize that Republicans DO NOT know how to govern our country.......... with Republicans it's always the same, greed, greed and more greed.
True Leader Quote:
' You cannot help the poor by destroying the rich. You cannot strengthen the weak by weakening the strong. You cannot bring about prosperity by discouraging thrift. You cannot lift the wage earner up by pulling the wage payer down. You cannot further the brotherhood of man by inciting class hatred. You cannot build character and courage by taking away men's initiative and independence. You cannot help men permanently by doing for them what they could and should do for themselves.' ---Abraham Lincoln---
Failed Leader Quote:
' You can ONLY help the poor by destroying the rich. You can ONLY strengthen the weak by weakening the strong. You can ONLY bring about prosperity by discouraging thrift. You can ONLY lift the wage earner up by pulling the wage payer down. You can ONLY further the brotherhood of man by inciting class hatred. You can ONLY build character and courage by taking away men's initiative and independence. You can ONLY help men permanently by doing for them what they could and should do for themselves.' --- Barack Obama---
True idiot quote:
"I'm not familiar precisely with what I said, but I'll stand by what I said, whatever it was."
—Mitt Romney, asked in a press conference about remarks he made to Fox News host Sean Hannity (Jacksonville, Florida, May 17, 2012)
JaneEco
Actually you just described the liberals.
Bill Clinton shipped our jobs to China
Obama just wants old people to die and is a communist in the White House.
Since the Republicans freed the slaves and fought for civil rights and who did they fight for that?? The democrats.
Once free the democrats had to figure out how to control those black folk so they created the welfare plantation.
Now we are kissing a cults ass and being told we should be more tolerant of them killing our people. BS!!!
When will you people learn?? Barack Obama sends BILLIONS of dollars to the people that publicly say they are going to kill us all????
And you don't have a clue what that communist / muslime in the White House is actually up to.
Go buy a prayer rug on Ebay, your gonna need it.
Only the media could consider a 1 point advantage by Obama as "the race slipping away" from Romney. Get a grip you loser liberals, Romney will be our next President and everyone including most Democrats will be glad he won. Obama's been a failure in every aspect but you never hear the media talking about his record do you.
lukelukeluke,
show us on the doll where limbaugh touched you...
One point? Which polls you looking at? Gallup? Try a few others.
Better check your battleground state polls... Romney is losing in Va, OH, and FL, and by more than 18 points in his home state of Mass. THAT speaks volumes. The people that know him best won't vote for him.
lukewarm......and that was just a poll of Romney's own family , he is still behind !
Ray,
if you read the polls, not the headline of the polls, you will find they are stacking the deck with democrats, or independents, depending upon which will give them a result to their liking. This will go on until about 1 - 2 weeks before the election, in which they will poll close to what actually will turn out. It's reall funny how thier political mix suddenly matches what Rasmussen and Gallup use day in, and day out.
Jon Stuart was on a roll with this one! But the part where he showed a clip of Mitt's mother speaking, telling how her husband had been a "refugee from Mexico" and on welfare until he got situated - LOL - wonder what ol' Mitt thinks of that one??
(not sure if the link will show, maybe can google /jon-stewart-on-how-romney-cant-stop-insulting-the-47-long-enough-to-reboot-his-campaign)
What's the matter, GOP? Upset with your choice? Taste a bit like 2008 with the candidate you had then? Tsk tsk tsk - you never learn. I would have voted for your candidate if you had come up with a decent one. You didn't and now you have to sleep in the bed you made. No one to blame but your ignorant party. But....will you learn from this? Doubt it. Sometimes money just doesn't buy everything.
Obama/Biden 2012
"What's the matter, GOP? Upset with your choice? Taste a bit like 2008 with the candidate you had then? Tsk tsk tsk - you never learn. I would have voted for your candidate if you had come up with a decent one. You didn't and now you have to sleep in the bed you made. No one to blame but your ignorant party. But....will you learn from this? Doubt it. Sometimes money just doesn't buy everything.
Obama/Biden 2012"
I agree. I appreciate the 2nd Amendment enough to be scared of the Dems. But, Romney is a puppet of the elitist rich who run the world. They PUT him in the candidate roll in order to control the U.S. as with Bush II. Don't you see it? They place them for specific reasons. Romney is not the Republican candidate because he is the best Republican for the job.
The GOP failed. At least, I hope they do in November. I am cautiously optimistic that Obama won't f'up gun rights enough to mater.
Picking the lesser of two evil as always.
You can relax, Roger. The President is on record numerous times in support of the Second Amendment.
Unlike Mr. Romney, he's never had any other position on the issue.
Please don't compare McCain to Romney...I did not vote for McCain, but that man is an honorable man...Romney doesn't make a good pimple on McCain's buttocks
Just saw latest poll results in Colorado - a swing state. Obama is pulling ahead. That will be two elections in a row where this typically Republican state is now in the hands of Democrats. Kinda ironic, ain't it? Wisconsin and Virginia, also swing states, Obama is leading.
Portia, Ditto to that.
and our economy continues to tank
Voters are finally realizing that if they want politicians that actully represent THEM then they better vote for Democrats. In case no ones noticed the Republican Party stopped representing American voters decades ago..... Republican politicians work exclusively for a handful of billionaires now not the American people............ They don't deserve our votes.
I used to be a Republican as well, until religious zealots took over and now want to promote legislation that intrudes into peoples most intimate lives and decisions. I think a sound trouncing will bring them back into the real world, and if so, someday I may once again vote for and support Republican candidates. Until then, I will likely choose the better of two evils and vote Democrat.
'Romney faces pressure to shake things up amid concerns race is slipping away' Why should Willard change his strategy....he's doing a bang up job, besides his comments really show his elitist's way of thinking. 'Let them eat cake!' After-all, he's Thurstan Howell Romney.
Yea, "you didn't build that" and "for the first time in my life I am proud of my country" as such non-elitist comments. (sarcasm)
You sheep will buy anything that promises a free handout in return.
pjam09, everyone is a sheep but you right?
I guess the "You didn't build that" attack was your brilliant dissection of Obama's speech. Maybe you shouldn't talk about sheep until you shed other people's ridiculous talking points.
That's correct pjam09 a handout just like Willards Dad, George received when he was on 'THE WELFARE.' Look it up if you aren't too stupid to figure out how!
...and the wheels on the bus are falling off, falling off, falling off!!
The bus wheels are ok, it is the wheels on the gold plated limo that are falling off !
Obama's bus and gold plated plane? Dear me, when it comes to living really large, Obama has it made, at taxpayer expense. At least Mitt uses his own money, Obama is real good at pimpin' the ride so long as the useful idiots pay for it.
HAHAHAHA - Mitt uses his own money - HAHAHAHA. Thank you for the laugh.
Sweetpea, you don't have a clue, now go chuckle away, your Obama stash awaits...
Harley Chic you never addressed MM response to you which was right on on the facts....It's really hard to look away from the devastation placed on this nation by the former inhabitor of the White House. You can disparage Pres. Obama all you want but he kept us from going into another Great Depression and put our country back on track for a recovery. The Republicans refuse to offer anything in the way of stimulus to get more demand into our economy and in fact are doing everything possible to keep our economy from gaining any speed in a cynical attempt to capture a majority in the Senate and the White House. Their strategy is apparent to the American people as is their agenda to force the middle and lower classes to pay more taxes so that the rich can get yet another tax break. Anyone with half a brain can see this all very clearly. Of course Romney's candid camera moment revealed this agenda to be exactly true.
Anyone with half a brain cell would have the ability to look around them, look at the reality of what is happening rather than getting their info from Obama campaign commercials. You seem to have missed the 'open ended' QE3 that just happened. Do you understand what that means? Do you understand why that happened? Painfully apparent that you don't have a clue.
Go ahead and live in fantasy land, you think the republicans are the one's looking to raise taxes? Dear God, and you vote. This explains a great deal, all emotion, no common sense and ignorance seem to be what Obama is relying on.
mygirl1-if you're talking about the bs re: Air Force One, the campaign log was never on it. The logo was on a plane paid for by the campaign.
All President's who've used Air Force One have done so on the public dime. Even President Reagan. And the record shows that he took more vacation time than anyone before or since.
Also, since I'm at it, President Obama has taken less vacation time than the two different Bush Presidencies.
mygirl1~ Gee, I didn't realize Air Force One was gold plated....what proof do you have that he's "living large" at tax payer expense? And what proof do you have that Mitten's is using his own money...(I hardly doubt it!) I think the Obama's are pretty down to earth...Old Mitten's is the rich snob with the car elevator.
Was Mutt using money from the $50K/plate campaign dinner that he got busted on for insulting the 47%? Yup - you betcha. Or did he just ask his parents for the money like he advises others to do?
Well thanks for that info pjam. Now not only do I need to see Mittens tax returns, I'd like to see the cancelled checks where he is personally paying for his secret service detail. What a complete ignoramus you are.
' You cannot help the poor by destroying the rich. You cannot strengthen the weak by weakening the strong. You cannot bring about prosperity by discouraging thrift. You cannot lift the wage earner up by pulling the wage payer down. You cannot further the brotherhood of man by inciting class hatred. You cannot build character and courage by taking away men's initiative and independence. You cannot help men permanently by doing for them what they could and should do for themselves.' ---Abraham Lincoln---
Failed Leader:
' You can ONLY help the poor by destroying the rich. You can ONLY strengthen the weak by weakening the strong. You can ONLY bring about prosperity by discouraging thrift. You can ONLY lift the wage earner up by pulling the wage payer down. You can ONLY further the brotherhood of man by inciting class hatred. You can ONLY build character and courage by taking away men's initiative and independence. You can ONLY help men permanently by doing for them what they could and should do for themselves.' --- Barack Obama---
The far right and the far left are destructive and terrifying. I was truly hoping to a valuable candidate to go up against Obama. I haven't loved every thing Obama has done, and I do my best to stay informed, neutral, and cast my votes accordingly. After everything that has happened with Romney, there is no chance he will ever get my vote now.
No doubt, huh? I am a woman and I vote.
lavrn - "After everything that has happened with Romney"
Please explain what "has happened"? Speaking plainly and honestly instead of pandering from a teleprompter?
Everything that has gotten worse for Americans and impacts real lives and future generations and the sheep seem to be willing to remain obediant simply on the premise of comments:
"Yea, I know America is declining at an increasing rate... but those words pointing out the problems didn't make me feel special."
Sorry you life is so miserable pjam, (actually I'm not sorry at all). My world is just peachy. My stocks are up, my 401K has gained back everything the previous inept Republican lost from it and I have been promoted twice and had 4 raises since 2008. Maybe if you wern't such a whiney inept dolt your life wouldn't be such sh&%.
It is amusing that Romney accuses the president of class warfare and then he declares war on 47% of Americans.
You picked up on that, did you, Willard? I sometimes wonder if Romney is running in fear ~ ~ away from being elected. No person with any maturity would do and say what he does unless they were trying to be defeated. Should that be the case, he is being highly successful in his efforts.
Amusing, now go listen to the entire, unedited (if you can find it) speech. Sorry, but taking things out of context and twisting them to suit an agenda is something the leftist media is very good at.
Obama is offering the freebies and the people like those freebies, up and until they have to be paid for. Obama is real fond of 'redistributing' the wealth, problem with the leftist mindset is that once they've 'redistributed' by destroying the wealth producers, you have nothing left. That's when the riots start....wonder why all the Federal Agencies are stocking up on Ammo? Once the dole stops, the recepients are going to get hungry and angry, look at Greece and some other EU countries, that is what is coming here.
so it's ok for Owebama to say " hiding behind their Bibles and guns"? By the way the economy still sucks, unemployement is still high, gasoline costs too much, mortgages are still underwater, the debt is out of control: you think Owebama is looking good? Don't forget that the world is marching against the USA, another failed foreign policy. And you criticize Mitt?
They need to re-elect Obama, they need their fix.
mygirl1 - Where were you when Bush was taking the surplus that we had and starting two wars on the credit card, giving two tax cuts on the credit card and starting a new government program Medicare Part D on the credit card? If you're going to accuse someone of giving "freebies" as you put it why don't you start there. Oh and BTW elaborate on just exactly what "freebies" you are talking about. I'd like to see you thought process.
Retreads, lol. I'm one of the 47% who'll be voting to re-elect President Obama. I don't get or expect freebies. I've worked and paid taxes since I was 16, for 40 years.
So keep up your rants about liberals and Democrats not working and living on the dole. You aren't going to believe that we work and pay taxes, because then you wouldn't have anything to look down on. And you so badly need to look down on someone don't you, mygirl1. You picked the right animal to represent you, didn't you.
unicorn - " I've worked and paid taxes since I was 16, for 40 years."
If thats true then you're not part of the 47% (who don't pay taxes).
Perhaps you should take the time to understand the bandwagon before jumping on it because you see other sheep doing it.
as an arrogant liberal once said, " it's the economy stupid".
It saddens me that there are people out there (pjam09) who truly believe that "47% who don't pay taxes" are freeloaders. The 47% include students, children, senior citizens, soldiers in combat fighting in an expensive war, and those who ARE working minimum wage jobs but earn under $20,000 a year. Those in the 47% still pay property taxes, in most states tax on food, and payroll tax. Also many in the 47% are actually uppeer middle class who pay no taxes because of child tax credits and many are white, male, older republican voters.
Please get your facts straight before you disparage your neighbors. My God, what is happening to America?
mygirl1,
I listened to the entire speech and it was very clear. Mr. Romney characterized anyone who doesn't pay income taxes as lazy, not taking responsibility for their own lives, and unwilling to change. I can get direct quotes, if you insist, but I think you will find those words if you go back and re-read the transcripts. Now, I have a question for you?
HOW DO YOU MISUNDERSTAND THOSE WORDS?
I apologize for shouting but I've seen so much denial and spin doctoring in the last several weeks, heck, months that I'm losing my good humor. Anyone, most particularly a presidential candidate, should say what he means and mean what he says. Unfortunately for Mr. Romney, I believe that's exactly what he did. His own words betray him and reveal his true conception of the the people he's supposed to be trying to lead. Respect, lady, is a two way street and Mitt seems to feel it's a one-way road to him.
Please stop trying to re-interpret what was said. It was crystal clear and I for one am disgusted. My parents are both retired and don't have to pay income tax because they WORKED ALL OF THEIR LIVES and are trying to glean what pleasure they can fron their remaining years. Mr. Romney said they were, in essence, parasites that live on the govenment's dime. No, the govenment they trusted has taken all of that money they paid in and squandered it. Mr. Romney proposes to keep up that fine tradition. NOT ok, not in this or any other universe. Grow up, look around. President Obama hasn't done the best job but I fear for our nation, our hard won freedoms, and our basic civil rights if an empty suit that will do exactly what his donors want gets elected.
Laurie,
What surplus? There was never any surplus when Clinton left office, we were over 5 Trillion in debt when Bush started his first term. That Liberal talking point is an outright lie.
Hey Patriotmark that is all them DemocRATS do is lie I mean look at the media all you hear is how Romney needs to change his plan why would any preson or Republican listen to anything these news people have o say you know they are in bed with obama and the Truth of the matter is about 47% of Americans do not pay any taxes because the ones that do they get it all back on a refund check from the IRS so all of you so upset over what he said prove him wrong if you make under 85,000.00 you can right off everything and get what you paid in taxes back and sometimes more than you paid in
Hey
it's still the economy. Owebama failed: end of story
Hey Willard, I have a great photo op for you. Why don't you ride around in a tank wearing a helmet that doesn't fit.
He is the Michael Dukakis of the republicon party.
Or he could go hit on a biker chick UAW member in a diner while her boyfriends role their eyes at him... Biden can teach him how to pose.
American Marines were not stationed at the U.S. embassy in Tripoli or the American mission in Benghazi, as would typically have been the case. In the spirit of a "low profile," the administration didn't even want an American company in charge of private security. Blue Mountain, the British firm the State Department hired, was willing to abide by the "no bullets" Rules of Engagement (ROE), so were a logical fit for the contract. These sub-standard protections for American diplomats were signed by Secretary of State Hillary Clinton in the ROE.
"as would typically be the case"...
The DSS, or RSO directly heads the up the Marine security detachments, not the President of the U.S. Each host nation is responsible for the security and protection of foreign embassies. The primary responsibilities of the marines is protection of Classified materials and vital equipment vital to the national security of the United States at American diplomatic posts. They aren't there to prevent mobs of thousands from breaching the walls.
If you believe Europe is the economy we should copy vote for Obama. If you do not believe Europe is the economy we should copy vote for Romney. It is as simple as that. Europe is a complete socialist failure. America was not a failure until we started moving more toward a European style government and economy. How people can not see that Europe is failing due to its huge entitlement programs that are not sustainable is amazing. We should be going the opposite way of Europe, yet we have a President who thinks we should copy their every move.
Yes I think Romney should make his move and drop out of the presidential race. He has been all over the political map with his unfortunate and confusing commentaries.
It's too late to drop out. The sands in the hour glass are almost gone. Stupid is as stupid does.....GOP - you blew it.
Joe - You realize that comment was from years ago don't you? There is this thing called video....
By all means Rommel shake it up. I love when you do that.
Mother Jones, the left-wing magazine that released a controversial video of Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney's remarks to a fundraiser in May, now admits that it has no full tape of what Romney said, and that its video is missing "one to two minutes" at the most important moment.
The Legal Insurrection blog's William Jacobson and The Blaze both raised questions on Tuesday about whether Mother Jones had, as promised, revealed the full video, given an apparent jump cut in the critical section of Romney's remarks.
"Something is missing. Romney’s 47% answer was cut off before completed, and is not picked up on the Part 2 audio video," Jacobson noted.
First of all, what Romney said was insulting, pure and simple.
Second of all, had what he said been somehow taken out of context that would have been his first defense -- and it wasn't. He backs up what he said and is now trying to backpedal on what he meant by it -- and his explanation doesn't hold water.
Unlike Republicans who seem to only release clips taken out of context Mother Jones released the entire video for all to see. Context and all. Mitt looked bad and that didn't need any fancy editing to accomplish.
Romney made this claim as well, and wished that the remainder of the tape became available, and it has. It's all over the net, not hard to find.
Romney left no questions when he he doubled down on the statement in a hastily announced press conference the following day of the tape's release.
Lukewarm - nice Hail Mary pass on the video - it was doctored! Almost as good as O'Reilly's explanation that he just estimated a little high - O'Reilly said the number is closer to 40%. The desparation is going to be fun to watch for the next two months....
So do you think in that one to two minutes of missing tape Romney said, "Oh, my bad...I didn't mean any of that stuff I just said. Here's what I really mean." Of course we don't know if the missing few minutes would have condemned him even further. The part that he said was not doctored and he did say it. He didn't deny it and he doubled down on it. So what's the point? He said what he said and it was pretty ugly stuff. He and his wife are definitely cloned versions of Thuston Howell III and Lovey. Sad thing is you just can't make this stuff up.
Laurie-480643......going to try and work with you here. Show me any evidence, quote, article, etc where Romney/Ryan said they would raise taxes on the middle class. Unlike your beloved Obama who clearly stated on the campaign trail that he supports the idea of wealth redistribution. All of this is academic as we have a unmitigated failure of a president who has increased the defecit by $1.6 trillion dollars every year he has been in office, 23 million unemployed, more people on food stamps, lowering of our bond rating, etc etc etc. What is the democratic plan? Print more money, shut down more coal producers and the jobs hat go with it, prop up companies who can't compete in the global marketplace? Go over to Greece and Spain to see how they are doing because that is Obama's vision.
Show me any evidence, quote, article, etc where Romney/Ryan said they would raise taxes on the middle class.
There isn't any, because they keep dodging the question of how they are going to balance a budget by giving all kinds of tax breaks to the richest americans? He has to make up that difference somehow, and everyone knows that the big deductions most middle class people depend on are the mortgage interest deduction, child dependents, etc. How would he be able to keep that for the middle class while simultaneously cutting taxes on the wealthy (i.e. cutting government revenue)?
He's silent for a reason, that's why it takes videos like that one to reveal and expose the true nature of most politicians.
tax cuts don't raise taxes on anyone.....ever get a job from a poor person?
The video was edited and needs to fully come out (as it has) and is not NEARLY as inflamatory as "you didn't build that" or "shovel ready wasn't as shovel ready as we expected" or my favorite-----just "take a pill" instead of health care that prolongs life.
WAKE UP
It's too late. Romney has shown his true colors. To "change" anything now would be an obvious ploy to try to pretend he's something he's not.
It's pretty sad that Romney/Ryan is the best the GOP has.
"To change anything now"???? You mean like giving 2 million illegal immigrants amnesty so Latinos will vote for you in November or for coming out in favor of gay marriage to solidify your liberal base. Give me a freaking break, you guys will say anything but admit nothing.
What about the etch-a-sketch? Don't they still have that in reserve? C'mon, Mitt!!! Shake things up!!! (No, Mitt. You have to turn it upside down, first.)
Lukewarm,
It's amazing President Obama is popular with Hispanic voters, considering his administration has deported more illegal immigrants in four years than Bush did in eight, however, I think most Latino citizens are law abiding people who are glad to see the crack down on criminals entering our country.
President Obama has taken a rational approach to immigration by creating a path for Latinos who came here as children to be able to sign up for school or work legally, after paying a fee and providing proof of the age when then came here. The rules are strict, yet reasonable, the kind of legislation George W. Bush would have signed, back in the day when the Republican Party wasn't demonising immigrants to rally the working class whites.
Lukewarm, the illegal immigrant move from Obama upset me greatly. But the declaration of war on women upset me more. We all have to do what we feel is the right thing to do.
No Romney/ Ryan isn't the best the GOP has... they are the best money can buy.
The best the GOP had would have been Jon Huntsman or Buddy Roemer conservative, reasonable and intelligent and they were shutout intentionally... as the money boys wanted this to be a Zero sum game all or nothing. Now they will have nothing.
If you believe Europe is the economy we should copy vote for Obama. If you do not believe Europe is the economy we should copy vote for Romney. It is as simple as that. Europe is a complete socialist failure. America was not a failure until we started moving more toward a European style government and economy. How people can not see that Europe is failing due to its huge entitlement programs that are not sustainable is amazing. We should be going the opposite way of Europe, yet we have a President who thinks we should copy their every move.
He can't shake things up because he is boxed-in by the far right. He has no where to go, no message to sell, and we are not buying him or his word. He has nuthin' to sell! The BIG REVEAL has happened and we don't like it!
If you believe Europe is the economy we should copy vote for Obama. If you do not believe Europe is the economy we should copy vote for Romney. It is as simple as that. Europe is a complete socialist failure. America was not a failure until we started moving more toward a European style government and economy. How people can not see that Europe is failing due to its huge entitlement programs that are not sustainable is amazing. We should be going the opposite way of Europe, yet we have a President who thinks we should copy their every move.
Gallup and USA today have them1 point apart in the polls, CNN and MSNBC of course have them much further with there Idol in the lead, this video. the one that was shot illegally, and then published, in bits and pieces and not in its entirety so that the people could really hear the whole store and conversation and not just out takes, has not hurt anyone, It is not some sort of smoking gun. Get over it MSNBC and CNN and lets move on to something more important, Like the economy or that fact that The president was on letterman. hahahaha,,, that is funny to me for some reason. Oh well on to the next story of twist
So you only want published polls that show Mitt in the lead? I think you'd work well in Adolph's Germany. :)
You mean "...with THEIR idol...." and ".....LET'S move on..."
Also, learn to capitalize and write in complete sentences.
Dandit61
You are absolutely right ! The media thinks they run the show. They are So Wrong, Misleading and Unbelievable. They are loosing along with Obama.
Sam, LOL...right....see you in November.
Hey Dandit61. Did you laugh as hard when your idol RAMney ("let's take out Iran") tried his chops on Leno? Grow up and start thinking critically.
Jeff - "So you only want published polls that show Mitt in the lead? I think you'd work well in Adolph's Germany. :)"
So you don't want the non-skewed polls published that show reality? You work well in Obama's America. Preserve the Emporers new clothes above all else.
Hey Buca, what does "loosing" mean. I'm amazed that most of the rants by the right wingers are barely litererate, sophmorish (on the high school level) don't make sense and get way off base. Meanwhile I see good thoughtful posts by the left (the critical thinkers) with real facts and figures that get dissed by the aforementioned droolers and mouth-breathers.
What do you mean the video was "shot illegally." Where does it say that?People were at a fundraising event.....if Romney's people didn't want them to tape or take pictures, they would have banned their cell phones at the door. There was NOTHING illegal about the video that was shot.....but keep spinning, okay? Maybe some day you'll believe yourself!!!
Are you pretending to be really this dense? Prove the polls are being skewed in Obama's favor.
Well let me restate that. Prove that someone else other than Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan themselves aren't skewing the polls in Obama's favor. From what I've seen those two are the only ones who are doing just that. :)
*scratches head* Whaaa?
Are you trying to make an argument here? It's a pretty dumb one if that's the case.
But they were consistent, as were both Reagan and Bush. We get a new Romney every day. Hell, even his own party doesn't know where he stands and it appears his campaign directors aren't any better informed. Its no wonder Mitt is trying to run a "stealth" campaign. He doesn't want to be pinned down on anything and it may be because even he doesn't know what he believes and stands for.
The campaign was in serious trouble when during the GOP Convention he didn't talk about any serious plans for economic recovery aside from 'cut taxes'. Hey, we tried that from 2000-2008, didn't work. I'll gladly pay 5-8% more of my income if it means putting us on a path to strength and prosperity. We're cutting off our noses to spite our faces.
Mitt has stated his beliefs very clearly!
"I believe in an America where millions of Americans believe in an America that's the America millions of Americans believe in. That's the America I love." –Mitt Romney (January 2012)
Whatever the hell that means is beyond me, but he sounds pretty sure of himself.
Its called 'circular logic' and usually reflects the shallowness of the person who is exercising it. For a man of considerable means, Romney is beginning to rank among the most ignorant of individuals to ever run for president. Its understandable why he doesn't disclose specifics ~ ~ ~ ~ he has none.
For those of you who blame Bush for what Obamination inherited.... In 2006, the Dems got controll of the house and senate, and voted in many, if not most of the problems that started at the end of his term. And Obama voted for them! He inherited his own problems!
Romney has money because he earned it! We need a leader who know how to make and save money, not an Obamination who vacations and spends the taxpayers money like a slum-dog who won the lottery! And, unfortunately it's true that who ever promises the most
'free stuff' to the American people, irregardless of the US budget, will probably win the election. Essentially, the government is paying those people to vote just that way! They don't care what the US budget is, as long as the 'check's in the mail'.
And if you look at what Obamination has done in the first four years, when he would be up for reelection, just think what he will try to do when he knows he's out of office in 4 years! Demos, you're not scared???? You're either brave or stupid! To answer that question, I'd love to see an IQ comparison between Repubs and Demos... It would be obvious why Obamination ever got into office! Sad, but true!
Obama won in 08 because of the great recession. Romney doesn't seem to resonate with middle America. Obama Doesn't seem to grasp the immediacy of our problems. He seems to want to punt the ball to 16. We need to get rid of the 2 party monopoly. It's an epic failure. They just cater to their constituents while not fixing our obvious problems. Social Security and Medicare need to get fixed. Our free trade policy is a disaster. Our tax base is located in China now. Pensions and health care are out of control. Hmm let's make China pay for our health care and pensions...TARIFFS ARE THE ANSWER!!!
What's interesting about the video is how it was taken. Was it by one of the $50K donors attending the fund raiser? No, looks like it was by someone on the hotel/catering staff. Here is the moral of the story: You may be in the 1% because you think you are smarter, work harder, went to better schools, are better connected or are better looking. But for everyone of you, there are 99 of the others--perhaps a waiter, with no education, living hand to mouth. Remember, there are more of them than there are of you and it only takes one of the to take you down. Better to spread the wealth a little than to be too greedy.
"Remember, there are more of them than there are of you and it only takes one of the to take you down."
Who says the leeches aren't violent, greedy, jealous, self-entitled, drains on society?
Instead of focusing on "taking others down" perhaps try building yourself up... nah, that is too much work isn't it?
I think the middle class is finally waking up to the realization that they are not supported by the actions of the GOP.
The middle class woke up in 2010 to the realization their work is being used by the Democrats to support "entitlement handouts", foreign criminals, union thugs, and Wall Street.
The midterm election results don't lie, and neither will Novembers.
Wow. I really wonder if any Romney support are on drugs or something. I'm not a hater but Romney mis-represents and offends many Americans, both Republicans & Democrats. Ya'll need to get a grip that he's lost this campaign. Interesting still, comic relief or sorts. Now, we (voters) want and need critical talking of issues are detracted by Romney's repeated incompetent comments, and slurred speeches that are not discussing pertinent issues. Such issues, Mid-East Instability, Afghanistan, Trade Issues, Energy Issues, Environmental Issues, Economic, Research & Development, Infrastructure, etc....The campaign is suppose to be addressing these issues not Romney's continued incompetence!
He opens his mouth and says nothing. Literally stuns me as to how ignorant he is and out of touch. I thought Sarah Palin was absolutley biggest idiot the GOP has brought to the table. I now stand corrected. Incredible.
What do you think Obama has been implying with his years of preaching class warfare? That everyone creates their own destiny... or that you are a victim and government will rob others to "make it right" for you?
Just because liberals aren't use to hearing the truth about themselves doesn't make it any less true.. and certainly not surprising to non-liberals.
Hey Grover, time to start replying about what Obama has DONE, but you liberals just can't do that can you. All you continue to have is your rhetoric about what what Bush, Reagan, Bohner, et. al. have done but you REFUSE to highlight how the current POTUS policies and decisions have helped us. Oh yeah, things WOULD have been so much worse if he didn't do what he did. What a cop out. You have no proof of that at all and if you look at what HAS happened over the last three years under his watch, I'd say we'd be MUCH better off without him. Time to get your head out of your a$$. Oh, I guess you can't do that while you're licking HIS.
Well suds, as much as I dislike Romney he can't hold a candle to Palin in the stupid department. How soon we forget.
Well, Ed......you BETCHA! LOL Instead of a soccer mom we now have an animal abuser. Ask Seamus. Oh right, can't now since he is dead.
A leopard can't change his spots...verbiage may change, spots still remain...
You are right, Obama is a Socialist, believes in income redistribution and more government control of the people. He can't change that!
lukewarm, define socialist.
I highlighted in bold the key points but essentially Socialism does away with Capitalism in that it is no longer an "exchange" based system based on the value of goods but rather a value assigned by the government. Income is redistributed and people (government mainly) own the means of production.
In Marxist theory, socialism, lower-stage communism or the socialist mode of production, refers to a specific historical phase of economic development and its corresponding set of social relations that eventually supersede capitalism in the schema of historical materialism. Socialism is defined as a mode of production where the criterion for economic production is use-value, and is based on direct production for use coordinated through conscious economic planning, where the law of value no longer directs economic activity, and thus monetary relations in the form of exchange-value, profit, interest and wage labor no longer operate.[1] Income would be distributed according to individual contribution. The social relations of socialism are characterized by the working-class effectively controlling the means of production and the means of their livelihood either through cooperative enterprises or public ownership and self management, so that the social surplus would accrue to the working class or society as a whole.
Which seems to be perfectly permissible in conservative circles if the distribution is toward the top.
Luke, you better cite your source because I know you didn't write that. It's called plagairism...
OMG: you mean that someone who works for themselves, is self reliant, is actually a socialist:
SO, I guess Paul Ryan is really a socialist too, right ? After all, hasn't he been spouting off about being self reliant. And anyone (or group) who start their own business and "control the means of production" and "self manage" the business, they must be socialists too.
You see, when you actually read and understand exactly what it is you are saying, you begin to realize that the attempt to use terms of hate lose their meaning. The modern Republican party truly has made George Orwell look like an optimist.
He is gonna get schooled by Obama...Wouldn't be surprised he if flees to France like he did when it was his turn to serve in our military...It is amazing that a draft dodging tax evading out of touch job killer can even be considered to be President.
Schooled in how to increase the debt $6 trillion dollars or how to spend a trillion more than we have? Schooled in how to put politics and party above the people? Schooled in class warfare or how to break the law?
Hey....we elected Bush twice, didn't we?
Thomas, love your "draft-dodging, tax evading, out-of-touch job killer" description. I'm gonna steal it. You can have mine. "Today's GOP. Pale. Male. and Stale."
And our current President is such a shining example of fine military service, heck, he couldn't even bother to properly register for selective service.......and tax evading? Don't blame the guy for following the tax laws that are made in Washington.
What war would Obama have qualified to serve in? That aside, what service has any of the Romney boys service in? I know Joe Biden's boy serviced in Afganistan. And why did Mitt and the GOP omit talking about our military folks AND Afganistan/Iraq throughout the WHOLE conventions?
pat -
Obama would have been of age to serve in the 1st Iraq war - you know, the one where Saddam Hussein invaded Kuwait.
So, where was he? Getting high with his buddies?
At least he was not smoking crack frying his brain like that other president while hiding and being AWOL in the Guard instead of going to Vietnam.
Buckwheat; If you are refering to Obama not registering for the Vienam draft thats correct he didn't__WHY: he wasn't old enouight to register you moron !!
Pale, male and stale. That is SO spot on describing Mutt. Good job, Bear!
...and ya know what's so funny (sad?) about all this? mittanic's own mom and dad were on welfare, public assistance for a few months when they were first married. and back then, ya know what willard's own mom said? "Thank God we live in a country that not only gave us assistance, but opportunity as well." How in the world can one acorn fall so far from the tree?
I don't think welfare existed back then when Willard's parents were of childbearing age, did it?
And Paul Ryan used his father's Social Securitydeath benefits to pay for his college education. Stunning hypocrisy, given Ryan's view that students should pay their own tuition, without loans or government grants, or skip college altogether.
Amy - You do understand that Social Security benefits are not borrowed money (debt) right?
Hypocrisy is attempting to criticize someone who obviously paid his own way through college, after the loss of a father no-less, without even a basic understanding of finance.
No, no! Let Romney be Romney! Don't change a THING!! Onto the debates! I'm sure, positive Thurston will do smashingly well!
Forward! Obama 2012!
pjam09 - least you forget, the Republicans, led by Romney/Ryan, want to privatize SS and Medicare. So Ryan would not have had any death benefits from SS given the fact his father was not rich and probably wouldn't have been able to afford to invest
I doubt that Mitt's parents was on welfare because their family dated back to the great grand parents they were millionaires also so why would theybe on welfare they inheritted millions from way back in the 1800's
Clayton - Liars, maybe?
Clayton-548726... well, then lying is genetic. Saw the clip last night of Mrs. (mom) Romney telling their "rags to riches" tale, including how they even needed to be on welfare assistance for 2-3 months while they got established once they came to the U.S. ... Of course that could be her lying because it sure helps the "rags to riches" storyline.
This is mind boggling. This isn't Dukakis in a tank. This isn't Ford saying Poland isn't under Soviet domination. This isn't Dole forgetting what town he was in. This isn't H.W. Bush not recognizing a price scanner or knowing the price of milk. This isn't Gore the talking plant droning on about that damn "lock box." This is much, much worse. The fact that it is even this close is not a testament to how bad Obama or the economy are, but how much influence 20 plus years of talk radio (plus now cable) has had on large segments of the electorate. Except for Clinton in '96, the other losing candidates above were opposed by the likes of a one term Georgia governor, a womanizing Arkansas governor, a VP with no independent credentials, and a Texas governor who even his own party thought was a "know nothing."
Wm.-375815
I agree. The Romney tape isn't a "gaffe." It's a revealing, lengthy and explicit look into how Mitt Romney views American voters. His contempt for people who would vote Democratic is on full display, and filled with inaccuracies, to boot: I thought the problem was, the "elites" support Obama, the professorial types, and not ditch-digging, hairdressing, good-ole-boy truck driver types? Romney's lack of knowledge of his own base - working class whites, the unemployed and seniors, is amazing.
Amy B. Portland, ME
it does not matter how you spin it Amy, Idolizing a mere human is nothing short of being blind.
If the lame media has the race this close what makes you think that Romney is going to lose.
I'm voting for Mitt because I have not seen anything that will tell me not to.
I'm not voting for Berraco Obama because the more that he talks the more that I see someone taking this Country down.
Look at the numbers, not just from NBC but other.
concerned citizen - you must not be listening or else you just don't get it. try listening to Mitt Romney long enough to get his real ideas in your head and if you still believe that he is best - I hope you dont vote.
for ever dem
Nothing is forever. I used to be a dem for 15years and for the last 10 I have been an Independent. You see, forever I grew up and you haven't yet.
Have you listen to our President Berraco Obama with his I,I,I,I and his but btu but, what about his Uhhhhhhhhh and Ahhhhhh. Why doesn't he spread his wealth around also.
CC - You're a "horse's ass." First, you cannot spell. This is indicative of most of the GOP party-rush-limbaugh-foxnewsniggerers! When a video lays it out what kind of man Mormney is and you still want to denigrate our current president! You're not independent, you're a right winger. Get a clue! Obama has done more than GWB ever did during his 4 years on the job.
God Bless!
Obama/Biden 2012 "We Got It Straight In 2008!!"
And the comments by "Daniel J" show us all just how Ignorant and Uninformed so many in this Country are, folks.
End of story.
Almost all the media in America is corporate or big money owned there is almost no liberal media in America. That's why banks and big corporations have a license to steal the country blind and still convince many that they are over regulated.
but it is too late !
You've lost, because you're so ridiculously ignorant, nasty and stupid !
ignoring 47 % of your own people ? and do you know who are these people that are not paying taxes ? they are WHITE REPUBLICANS with NO COLLEGE EDUCATION, and retired people that vote FOR YOU, the republican party !!!
Hey, your party is only made of stupid, uneducated, right wingers.
Obama 2012 !
Hey fool, Obama has written off White America why, Because the stups that voted for him the 1st time see him for what he is a RACIST socialist Muslim pig. So get a grip on something, cuz the one that leads you is going down. I guess that means you'll have to gat a job, lol.
Hey fool, Obama has written off White America why, Because the stups that voted for him the 1st time see him for what he is a RACIST socialist Muslim pig. So get a grip on something, cuz the one that leads you is going down. I guess that means you'll have to gat a job, lol.
Daniel J for jerk you are pathetic, your not really white are you? By the way you have Obama semen running down your chin.
It is not possible to ignore the 47%. I am a 53% er, I work hard everyday to earn a living for my family and to pay taxes so the 47% 'ers can just slide by. Enough.
The federal debt has increase $6.4billion on his watch. That is a 66% increase in less than 4 years. This President is a complete failure on this and most everything he has touched. To re-elect him is a vote for four more years of failure.
Let him GO!
Endillegals....First thing, there's the neat application called "Spell Checker", it's something you might take advantage of....Next, as hard as it might be, turn off Rush Limbaugh or Glen Beck and go get a book, any book, on "socialism' and try and educate yourself as to what socialism actually is....and if the words are to big, I'm certain they'll have an audio version.
As if you knew what you were talking about Desertartist, LOL. What a moron.
Uh, I'm white and I voted for Obama in 2008 and will again in 2012. Sorry, I don't feel hate from the Obama camp. Now as for the Romney camp.......ignorance comes to mind. Mormons are not supposed to hate, are they? Someone send him the memo.
Bring on the debates ESPECIALLY the one in Denver. Oh boy - this is gonna be so much fun.
I too am white, a middle aged male who is a successful professional, and I am voting for President Obama as well!
And I am a white Roman Catholic female and I am voting for Obama. I cannot afford to vote on the one issue of whether the government pays for abortions or not. I have to go with the party that will be more likely to protect my job and keep safety nets (that I paid for) in case I need them now or later. Republicons have made it plain that none of the money I paid in taxes for such things as medicare and social security will be returned to me, but will instead go to give millionaires ANOTHER tax break.
CJ - ######;
How could a Catholic vote for Obama after he "ORDERED" the Catholic church to pay for & cover contraception, something the church has opposed for many generations.
Medicare & Social Security will end soon with no plan to salvage it (dems are silent on any plans), if you hope to see any of the safety nets you talk of, vote republican.
Tax breaks turn money over to those who earned it, that money will be spent to earn more money by hiring people & buying raw materials that others will supply.
But if you are employed by the government, why the hell do you care?
If a church, any church, can decide what laws it will obey and not obey, we will be like a country ruled by the mullahs. There are churchs who do not believe in blood trasfusions, porcine heart valves, paying taxes, fighting any wars for any reason, and any medical care at all. If you are a catholic and do not want to take advantage of coverage provided by your insurance, don't use that benefit. Others covered may want/need that coverage. Separation of church and state is important.