This is wonderful! When did he start caring? He wasn't worried about the poor before. He was only worried about (his) economy. He has pledged over and over to repeal Obamacare and leave the 31 million newly insured "poor and sick" in the cold. Then he hired the guy that personally tried to dismantle virtually every support system we have, and proposed to make Medicare a voucher system. Now, after creating and repeating an absolute lie about how Obamacare reaps savings from Medicare enhancements, he now "cares".

He cares because his polls say he must. Does he even know what one of these so-called "poor and sick" thingies are? No. He asked to see their balance sheet, but they wouldn't give it to him. What a joke.

Can you imagine the heart and soul of a man who criticizes the President of the United States for having care and concern for the elderly, immigrants living in the shadows, the poor and the sick. Romney's lack of empathy is chilling.

Is it me or is this the SAME argument that was made when the AHCA(aka Obamacare) was being debated? (can anyone say death panels). This has been soundly reputed as false and grossly misleading.

Just goes to show you, when the current rhetoric isn't working, dust off some old scare tactic hate that worked before to see if it will work now.

Just a side note, Isn't this the same man that criticize the President for not being "Presidential" with his negative attacks BUT it's ok if he does it himself??????

Romney/Ryan cannot tell the truth about anything. They are going to lose this one on Medicare. Ryan is in Florida today, that should be really interesting, he has to bring his Mommy with him, so is he going to turn her into a liar too, very sad. Even his Mommy won't be able to get him out of this one. Seniors are very aware what Ryan's plan on Medicare is all about, the AARP even has called Ryan on this one, good luck, your going to need.

Obama/Biden 2012

He didn't do much for the poor in Western Massachusetts when he was governor. I guess as long as GE was in Pittsfield, it was good enough for him. Then, when GE pulled out, Pittsfield became a chemical ditch.

Romney was evidencing his sociopathic personality all the way back when he was forcibly cutting that kid's hair in high school. Romney has no thought for anyone but Romney in the end, he considers other people (or dogs) as objects to be manipulated to suit his needs. Like all sociopaths his smile and personal engagements are faked and serve his agenda only. The reason people sense he has no core principles and that he is a "hollow suit" with no empathy is because it is true; they are seeing past the mask sociopaths work so earnestly to construct in order to fool others they are forced by circumstance to interact with on the way to reaching their goals. Sociopaths are practiced liars.

These latest lies being foisted by Romney regarding Medicare suit him perfectly. He will pivot to any assertion on any subject no matter how untrue or outrageous to serve his path to the presidency because he simply has no conscience... and neither does his wife, likely a sociopath herself judging by her public discourse and obvious willingness to lie as glibly as her husband.

Mittsy is hugely entertaining with his mystery budget plans and how he has a plan to replace the affordable health care act. First he's for something, then he's against. His argument to be president is basically "I am not the other guy". I will bvote for the other guy, "better the devil you know"

Bottom line. Romney has Flip-Flopped SO many times his "Promises" are a worthless.

He fails to mention that Ryan/Romney plan also takes out 716 billion from Medicare. Obama's cuts come from reducing the money drug companies and hospitals receive, Romney's cuts come from charging seniors and Extra $6,400.

I hate to break this to Romney, but his pivot isn't working. Seniors are wise to his lies and distortions and nobody trusts him.

Where are your taxes returns Romney? What are you hiding? Got your Amnesty for tax evasion?

Experience demands that man is the only animal which devours his own kind, for I can apply no milder term to the general prey of the rich on the poor.

Thomas Jefferson

Romney....

http://articles.businessinsider.com/2012-02-03/politics/31019944_1_romney-campaign-mitt-romney-misspoke

• In a CNN interview on Wednesday morning, Romney startled everyone by announcing that "I'm not concerned about the very poor."

and now?? Ryan your VP flip flops with you? How much did you pay him for this gig??

Oh and you and some of your (rob the poor and give to the rich) followers blast obama for spending to much, and yesterday you say he hasn't SPENT ENOUGH?

When it comes to fiscal issues, Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan want voters to know they’re collectively disgusted by what they see as a reckless government spending spree under President Obama the past three years.

But in a twist, they’re also contending that Obama’s government hasn’t stepped in enough to help Americans. It’s the political equivalent of “This food is terrible — and such small portions!

http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/08/again-and-again-romney-and-ryan-slam-president-obama-for-spending-too-little.php?ref=fpb

I think Gingrich was right. You will say anything to become President.

What a joke.

Obama/Biden 2012.

The 716 billion lie still lives and now You cane live and in living color how the right wing fear machine works.2 minutes on the web is all it takes to find the real answer that proves Romney is a liar and so is Ryan. Under what is called Obamacare seniors like myself will enjoy substantially more benefits under that plan that they do under the plans they speak of. this is a smokescreen to mask Ryans plan which is a complete dismantleing of senior HC and a voucher program that only promises around 1000 dollars per year and no other protection. The mere idea that and Republican has the best interests in anyone on Ss is bogus a lie and misleading all in one. Like the western republican wanted to do most of them wish seniors would just go somewhere and die but pay for their funerals out of their kids pockets.

"Where are Obama's college transcripts. Why are they sealed? Why do not his classmates remember him?"

It's hysterical to watch the desperation spewing from and the unending lies told by the right. President Obama's college records are NOT sealed and many of his fellow students and professors have talked about him. Fox even showed a video of him with one of his professors in some lame effort to prove he was a socialist. And tell us right wing people -- why didn't you ask to see the college records of Bush 43, Clinton, Bush 41, Reagan, Carter, Ford, Nixon, LBJ, JFK or Ike??? Why are you so fascinated with this President's college records and not any other president's

"Republicans have always required fraud to win elections because they represent a minority of Americans."

Rubbish. The line is almost evenly divided and that's part of the problem. There is no consensus on how to run the country.

Anyone who thinks they're on the "right" side is too full of their own self-importance.

The reason the left wing dominates the media is because they want to change things

Yeah, the left wing owns and runs Fox News biggest cable news outlet. They even own all the other Murdoch news outlets. The left's biggest biggest coup however was acquiring Clear Channel which owns all the radio stations around the country and can now spew their left wing propaganda 24/7. Need we mention that Rush Limbaugh is obviously under the wing of the liberals?

Damn all that liberal, left-wing media...no wonder the right wing feels so left out.

Of course he cares or he wouldn't have invented Romney care before BO ever dreamed of it.

Well, if he cares, then why is it that the only concrete thing he has said he will do is abolish Obamacare?

Obamacare is closely modeled on Romneycare for the state of Massachusetts. In fact, the Obama administration stated publicly that it was modeled on it. The mandate to carry health insurance, something that everyone is up in arms about with Obamacare is, in fact, written into Romneycare:

from Wikipedia:

The Massachusetts health care insurance reform law, St. 2006, informally referred to as Romneycare, enacted in 2006, mandates that nearly every resident of Massachusetts obtain a state-government-regulated minimum level of healthcare insurance coverage and provides free health care insurance for residents earning less than 150% of the federal poverty level (FPL).

So, it was a good thing when Romney did it for the state of Massachusetts because he cares. But it is a bad thing when Obama does it, but he still cares?

Flip-flop!!

Medicare, social security and the economy; who ever comes up with the best plan, will be the next President.

Gil please get the facts.. For one the gossip isn't that Obama was a foreign exchange student, which requires host families, sponsors to participate. The gossip is foreign student, which is more expensive for a education than less. All you have done is spread gossip & lies about Obama since he's been in office. And to top it off you haven't proved a single one of those accusations. Now I don't know what country your from, but in the US you're innocent till proven guilty. Grow up, stick to the issues.

Harley Chic ... I think you ate too many bugs riding on that Harley.

Obama/Biden 2012

I'm sick of all these comments being collapsed by those with opposing opinion. The fault lies with the mechanism NewsVine uses to score comments, if you concur you can peg the up arrow, however if you oppose you get a menu with draconian choices, No Value, Inflammatory, Advertising or Ignore This Author. How about adding Untrue or This guy is an Idiot. Better would be a down arrow with a counter so that the yeas and neighs could be directly compared. As it is a handful of zealots can go thru and pretend to be the community. What should it be community, Yea, No Value, Inflammatory, Advertising, or Ignore this plea.

But the news media is 79% registered Democrat.

I don't suppose you have any FACTS to back that statement do you??

Wow. Lots of nonsense and collapsing on here this morning. Not a lot of truth, but lots of talking points and yelling at each other. This will get sorted out and people will vote for the candidate they want. Romney and Ryan have said a lot of things that are on video...don't freak just because he suddenly decided it would be politically expedient to appear to care when he never has before. It's on the record.

I am so completely fed up with the fact that everyone without exception in this run up to election has not said one truthful word in any of their speeches or ads. I am also fed up with the fact that has there been a thoughtful discussion of the issues facing this country.

I am fed up about the fact that "anybody but Obama" is the Republican watch word and marching orders.

I am fed up with the fact that the $2B spent on getting a $400k/job could be spent helping feed, cloth, and shelter millions of our own children or elderly.

I am fed up with Uncle Sap being the world's police force paid for on the backs of a shrinking middle class.

I am fed up with a loaf of bread costing an arm and a leg.

I am fed up with gas costing the other arm and leg

I am fed up with religious @!$%#s taking my "private parts"

The only thing I have left is a working brain and a mouth AND YOU WILL NOT SHUT ME UP!

DB Akron: What a loadfulof nonsense. Not even one source to back up what you post. I wonder how Murdoch would feel about your spin; he didn't know he was a liberal. Yes, maybe that's what your script said, but about the only network not fully biased is MSNBC, though I object to them giving any time to a repub/tparty or that Perkins bigot, and they still do.

Take a look at Beshear, Karen Finley, Chris Matthews, Ed Schultz, O'Donnell - daily, and especially Rachel Maddow - she is about the most factual, the most truthful person ever on TV. Rachel fact checks and double checks. Her staff are dedicated to their work, as is Rachel. Melissa Harris and Chris Hayes are on Sat/Sun a.m., like 7 or 8, and they're also very factual, reporting on both sides. And as truth would have it, the repub/tparty don't come out too well as they do a lot of lying and misinformation. Kudos to MSNBC for their programs that DO show both sides, and are unbiased.

Lots of nonsense and collapsing on here this morning. Not a lot of truth, but lots of talking points and yelling at each other.

No different than any other morning. The same old BS of taking the opposition's words out of context to try to sway unintelligent voters to your side. That's all either of the parties has to offer any more.

...about the only network not fully biased is MSNBC...

HAHAHAHA....wait, you're serious, aren't you...?

It's amazing the public is duped by this type of argument.

Look at what both sides are telling you:

"The other side will take candy away from you"

Folks, you are $16 trillion in the hole and still dropping like a lead balloon. You haven't been paying for your candy.

@ On with it - first of all it wasn't 40 million who don't have insurance, the Dems, though they kept changing the number, usually went with 30 million. But the reality is only about 12 million. But he didn't "fix" health care, he is knocking off 6-11 million currently on employer-sponsored plans as part of this bill. So we put on 12 million who contribute nothing to the system and take off 11 million who were paying for their own care, and supporting the system that gave the 12 million free care. Doesn't seem very fair, and in no way provides care for all.

At this point in time, by the time I "qualify" to retire and/or be on Medicareand SSI, both will be insolvent. Right now we have Obama, as have many others, taking away from Medicare for their own pet project. At least the Romney plan would insure coverage at some level. Which, oddly enough is just what's happening with Obamacare. The supplemental insurance folks are already hitting the small businesses hard, providing supplemental plans to gap what small business has already lost in care. This will expand to the large employer market in 2014. Which is what Seniors have to do now, Medicare does not pay enough and everyone who can afford it, purchases a supplemental plan to gap what Medicare is not providing. So is Medicare all it's cracked up to be? Thinking not.....

And as a side thought... for those who lose their employer sponsored care, the govt. should AT LEAST allow them to contribute to a pre-tax HSA savings plan to assist them in paying for their own care. It really sucks to have your plan taken away from you, can't afford a personal plan, and then the govt. comes in and takes some of your income because you can't afford a personal plan. That is the govt. forcing poverty upon you. Pretty sure that is not Constitutional.

LOLZ.....Hey everyone....I was looking at the Gallup polls this morning.....Obama leads by 14 points with post grads.....Shouldn't that tell you something? LOLZ.....

Not to mention that Debbie also has off-shore accounts for which Romney was excoritated.

yosolo: .....So if you subscribe, for example, to Harry Reid’s claim that Mitt Romney cheated on his taxes for ten years......

...............No, that is not what Reid said, he said he was told by a former Bain executive that Romney paid zero taxes for a few years, that is not necessarily cheating, it could very well have been because of taking every legal loophole available, Reid did not accuse him of cheating. You on the other hand, are twisting the facts, but that is typical of those with a certain political bent.

Let me repeat myself. What s he afraid of?

I doubt we have a choice about you repeating yourself since that seems to be the key feature of the right wing echo chamber, but to answer your question Obama isn't hiding anything. his school records are available have been known for a long while....and your obsession with them has no bearing on his qualifications as president...Romney's tax records have a bearing on his quest for the Presidency.

the rights obsession with his transcripts is that they need something --anything to have an opposite but equal claim as the left does with Romney and his hiding his taxes.

They couldnt pick tax returns because Obama already released several years, they already tried (and hilariously continue ) with the birth certificate drama

and Obama release that as well-- both forms and a Hawaiian newspaper from 1961

They always make up an "equal" yet untrue charge against Obama as was been leveled against the right wingers by the left. ALWAYS --its a typical strategy of sociopaths along with divert and deflect.

wje37fcsm (1.35)

You are 100%!!!!!! I wonder that myself. I'm glad I got to read your comment before it was "collapsed."

The gist of the comment was that many of these comments are collapsed for no reason. Most of those comments are not "put downs," there's no bad language, etc. Just opinions......

wje37fcsm, I apologize if I misunderstood what you meant, but I don't think I did.

Oh...who to believe?! I wish the first debate would have both Obama and Romney hitched up to lie detectors while they answer the questions. I trust neither one.

If Obama's answer is to cut payments to doctors and hospitals to save money for Medicare, then this is not good. No doctor will accept it any more. If he took money out of Medicare for Obama care, that is not good either because it spreads it too thin. Romney will just plain cut it. Neither sounds good.

Earthgirl

Thanks for the list! you made my point. Everyone on there is hard left!

@!$%#; this collapsing process is messed up. I counted 15 starting comments collapsed; Newsvine, you'd better start reforming your collapsing system. Doesn't really make much sense unless your trying to save space...

Frankly, neither candidate's Medicare plan appeals to me. Obama's plan is a bit timid; a good start, but needing more ways of cutting costs without endangering coverage for seniors. Romney is just insane; the only reason why any senior would vote for him is because they are willing to take the Medicare benefits while everybody younger than them gets the boot. I would prefer to fix Medicare via replacing the fee-for-service payment mechanism with a fee-for-health mechanism (merit-based payments for doctors). This would decrease costs by both reducing the incentive to perform numerous unnecessary and expensive procedures AND by decreasing the costs for the sick. I would also end all contracts with for-profit care providers and go for non-profit providers like Kaiser until they lower costs. As for Social Security, I'd simply raise the payroll tax by 2% points, raise the cap on employees to 90% of earnings, eliminate the cap on employers, and index the retirement age to life expectancy starting in 2020.

OBAMA BIDEN 2012

It was the Republicans that caused my parents as retirees to literally go the poor house even though they had planned ahead for retirement. With Bush II's medication plan they have had to take out of pocket funding to close the donut hole for medication for diabetes, dialysis meds and Parkinson's medications in addition to the stock market crash which has depleted their 401K. Now under the ACA they are starting to realize benefits and money savings.

Willard and the rest of his greedy corporations want to further destroy the elderly with their hair brained schemes to pocket more of the elderly medicare dollars and social security funds? This is just repulsive to listen to their out and out lies. If Willard is so concerned why isn't he and his ilk comparing benefits one for one under his BS vision and the current ACA that includes senior citizens and the general public?

Once again Willard and his GOP robbers are using scare tactics from the Bush II and Cheney playbook. Enough already. "I won't be fooled again!" I cannot afford to pay for my parents and my insurance needs to line the pockets of the greedy GOP machine. So much for creating jobs for the middle class.

You Tea (Nut) Baggin', Right Bangers better wake up! Take off those "Rose Colored" glasses and pull your Monsanto genetically engineered, corn fed polluted grey matter, brains mired deep within the, "Rich Mitt RoMONEY and Paul "Med-i-could careless" Ryan hoopla hole. Paul and Mittens are for business--BIG BUSINESS, like: FDA, USDA, BIG PHARMA, MONSANTO, OIL and GAS. RoMONEY and RyCUTS will suck the marrow out of small businesses; buying them out (stomping them out) and resource out those willing to bend over barrels. Romney built his business all right; built by "BLOOD MONEY" of killers. Do yourselves a favor and research: Bain, Blood Money, Death Squads, El Salvador.

"You didn't build it." You damn right. Romney DIDN'T build it--El Salvador Death Squads built RoMONEY's Bain Co (Blood-Ain't-It-Nothin' but Blood Bath") Company.

RoMONEY is like Palin--only with a tie. And Ryan? Also like Palin; picked to "resuscitate " a drowning GOP platform.

McCain was...well, a War Hero and to me, will ALWAYS BE, a WAR HERO. But Palin was McCain's and the GOP's downfall. Palin was, feminine, smart (?) and then she opened her mouth. And again. And again. Lord! Women wanted to stuff a rag down her throat; young and old, white and black and everything in between. And the guys? The guys used Palin to keep women out of politics.

Lucky for the ladies there are the strong, smart, beautiful and courageous women willing to tighten up their boot straps, roll up their sleeves, take off their subservient gloves, step forward and make men flinch, step back, shut their mouths and listen.

And Lyin'...er, Ryan? Just like McCain, RoMONEY chose a "pretty." And just like the GOP "diehards"; superficial, plastic and shallow, "does it" for them. Lyin' Ryan wants more "Military Spending." On what? Red Neck Patriots are thinking, "Security." Gear for our MEN (oh, and the women, too...whatever.)

But it's not the "Troops." It's, BIG BUSINESS AND THEIR CONTRACTORS.

Wake up America...and you too, GOP, TeaBagNuts! You that identify with the, "Few, the Proud and the Brave." Ya'll are being "whipped." And not in a good way. You're being "corralled" like the hormone, toxic shot-up beef, pork, chicken, lamb and fish you stuff down your throats. And who is banking on your "patriotism"? BIG BUSINESS of the WORLD kind.

Charlie-1915998

But the news media is 79% registered Democrat.

I don't suppose you have any FACTS to back that statement do you??

.....Charlie, he has those facts, but he needs to find a proctoscope to see them.

People, is there a factory in Akron that emits stupid gas?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5NJF5Fcvmg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-eSV-Re5vJU&feature=related

http://vimeo.com/12933322

Cant wait to see ACORN in action this year!

http://www.youtube.com/embed/3CmkbShVqNA?feature=player_embedded

So the whistleblower did a video!

http://www.youtube.com/embed/gy6odnqyLeU?feature=player_embedded

part 2

Winning by cheating isnt winning!

Romney slams Obama over Medicare, pledges more help for 'poor' and 'sick'

The man is a lying two-faced pos. He will say and do just about anything now to get a vote.

OBAMA 2012

He must have been desperate from the beginning then... he's said whatever he wanted to from the beginning... "if it sounds good, say it" is as close to "fact checking" that he gets.

I've never really understood Romney, which is why I would vote for Ron Paul...

if I were a Republican.

remind you of anyone YOURE FING GUY!!

Pete............calm down and write in English please.

Fedup is lying, President Obama does not cut Medicare by 700 billion dollars. President Obama's plan CUTS waste, fraud, and abuse by 700 billion, then ADDEDS those savings BACK into Medicare so benefits are NOT affected.

Romney/Ryan would close many of the SAME loopholes, the difference is any money they "save" would go into defense spending, NOT saving or preserving Medicare.

Romney is a FASCIST liar, he was forced to accept Ryan as his running mate by the KOCH BROTHERS.

Willard Romney is a KOCH SUCKER!

Oh let him do all the lieing he wants, that way when the debates come and its flushed out how much he lied, people will see what he really is. Because when he says this crap in front of someone that can rebuke it he is going to look like the biggest fool this country has ever seen.

without even having to get approval from Congress

Right now its the insurance companies who determine whether to pay for what procedures. And not having Congress involved is always the smartest thing to do.

Quit lying Romney!

He just can't seem to stop flip flopping can he? The damage is done!

So when does Mitt Romney give us the specifics of his plans for this country? He wants us to trust him without telling us what he will do. The teabaggers may believe his nonsense, I don't.

Fedup - please check your statements against facts. Thank you.

1. The $700 plus billion dollars referred to comes from reducing overpayments, reducing fraud, and reducing funds for the optional Medicare Advantage program. Note that Rep. Ryan's plan for Medicare cuts the same amount but instead of using the funds for the safety, health, and welfare of the American people gives the money (contributed by all working Americans) to a targeted group of individuals as a tax cut.

2. You can keep your doctor if he/she already participates in Medicare.

3. The Independent Payment Advisory Board (IPAB) is a group of 15 medical experts nominated by the President and confirmed by Congress tasked to recommend ways to Congress for Medicare to provide better services at lower costs. They have no power to make changes, only to recommend them to Congress who makes the decision to follow them or not. SHould Congress reject the recommnedations AND not enact alternatives, then the Secretary of Health and Human Services may enact them.

The IPAB is specifically prohibited by law from recommending any policies that ration care, raise taxes, increase premiums or cost-sharing, restrict benefits or modify who is eligible for Medicare.

$716 billion from the fund to finance “his takeover of the healthcare system.”

That is a whole lot of BS. Most of those cuts will be ON THE SIDE OF THE INSURANCE COMPANIES, WHERE MIT Romney's plan CUTS on the side of the people, giving your money to the insurance companies.

Please read and inform yourself. The GOP only wants to manipulate the facts for their benefit. THEY ARE LYING.

B Stevens I know you are talking about the POS still in the White House aren't you ???

Thanks for your contribution to my list of Right Wing hate.

Another argument made like a three year old.

JHall .... Fedup is not actually the one lying, Mitt is. Fedup just has no original thoughts of his own and is really just playing the Republican version of telephone.

Fedup.... You should have just copied and pasted from the article above, it would have been faster. Haha what a joker!

While Romney and Ryan are on the campaign trail giving details on how they will save medicare and restore the economy, Obama is on the trail enlightening America about important issues like what his favorite work out tune is. My favorite is the “supernatural” power he most desires most. We now know he would like to be able to speak all languages! Guess he is realizing we English speaking folks are on to his lies so he wants to take his show on the road and lie to the rest of the world as well as he does to us

Wakehead,

Right now its the insurance companies who determine whether to pay for what procedures.

Insurance companies have no input into the current Medicare system. They do have a say in payments pre-negotiated for their own private plans.

Medicare currently pays at a rate below most private insurance policies. That is why such a large number of doctors are electing not to accept new Medicare patients.

If Medicare is so great, why does every employee at my company who is currently on Medicare, also elect to pay for the private insurance policy we offer through Blue Cross? Is it just because they want additional money taken out of their paycheck?

Let me get this straight, if Oboma cuts waste it's bad, if Romney cuts waste it's good.

We are keeping Medicare as is for the next ten years and then replacing it with government paid private insurance but Medicare will be broke in eight years?

We are giving tax cuts but increasing military spending. I just don't see it happening.

Bobnstuff,

Nobody says cutting waste is bad. The problem is that Obama didn't call it waste when he put together Obamacare.

The cuts are for Medicare Advantage. You have to be honest - if you want to call Medicare Advantage waste, just say so. There will be a lot of current seniors who disagree with you.

effectively telling seniors what treatments and procedures they can and cannot have.

I GUESS WHEN YOU PAY MORE THAN $6000.00 IN COSTS, YOU WON'T BE ABLE TO GO TO YOUR "PREFERED" SERVICE PROVIDER EITHER. Go ahead and check how much hospitals are chargineg these days.

Medicare patients already cannot go to their choice of provider.

Stealing from our children and grand childre sure as hell isn't the way. whats young with asking everyone to put a little skin in the game. I you want to give everything you've erned away they have things called charitys but its volintary not mandated.

John, the american people aren't that stupid,not anymore. Not after we have seen first hand the hatefullness of the Rethuglican party. That 716 billion dollars would end up in someones pocket and you know it. I guarentee it won't be yours or mine. Wake the hell up.

john-1960608 just keep on believing that.

There's a major "gotcha" in the Romney/Ryan plan.

The repeal of Obamacare means the repeal of denying people with pre-existing conditions.

Here's how it will work under Romney:

1. Romney repeals Obamacare
2. Medicare becomes a "voucher" program, you then have to shop for your own private insurance.
3. You get sick and your private insurance drops you - remember it will no longer be guaranteed coverage - you are now on private insurance. Senior or not, you are now on Private insurance - there is NO-GUARANTEE for coverage.
4. If you manage to dodge the ax from the insurance company, expect to pay an additional $700 a month for coverage.

See how easy that is? All of the cost comes from treating you later in life, but at the time when you really need it, your safety-net won't be there.


A bit of info: Nursing home care costs about 60,000 -80,000 a year. Medicaid saves millions of lives that would be cut short due to lack of care - simply because only the wealthy could afford this cost.

Low-information voter above.

It's Simple............Agree with most of your post but your comment about Nursing Home Care is not relevant.

Medicaid does not pay for more than a small number of months in a nursing home.........You must have long term care coverage or you are toast because of the costs you noted that may actually be low when some parts of the country are included.

Paul Ryan is alredy clamining VICTORY! Most of the time he is lying. The AARP backs President Obama, and they have specialized analysts that have revised Ryan's "wonderful" plan.

Ryan's "wonderful" plan is just making the insurance companies richer. HE IS RUBBING ELBOWS WITH THE 1%, DO YOU REALLY THINK THAT HE IS ON THE SIDE OF THE PEOPLE?

He was in Vegas in a fund-raiser with rich Adelson. THE GOP IS ONLY INTERESTED IN WINNING TO STRIP YOU FROM YOUR MONEY THAT YOU HAVE PAID TO MEDICARE AND SOCIAL SECURITY, TO GIVE IT TO WARS, AND BIG, BIG TAX BRAKES TO THE 1%.

Pease think about why otherwise this man Adelson would be SO INTERESTED IN HELPING THE GOP? He is not a philantropist, that is for sure.

Sorry John can you repeat that in legible english please? The educated people on here can not understand the poor grammar mess above

Ryan has been attested by His teachers and Democrats to be an honest and upfront person.

YEAH! he demonstrtaed that this week, when he kept on DENYING THAT HE HAD ASKED FOR STIMULUS MONEY, while he opposed it.

Not only he asked for stimulus money, he PERSONALLY SIGNED THE LETTERS. THE liar has a papel trail that will follow him. People may have poor memories, but he has signed many papers and he has said things that are ON FILM.

I'll be so glad when election time is over and done with. It's always the same crap every time it rolls around. One thing is for certain, we do need decent healthcare in this country. Too many people are suffering needlessly and THAT costs the tax payers more then I think many of them realize.

Ryan's plan will cut 700 billion from medicare,

and force the elderly to pay 6.5k extra to make up the difference.

Obama's plan will save 700 billion from medicare,

by using its purchasing power to get better rates.

When you think about it, its actually disgusting

that the GOP is making the claim of having more entitlements.

They apparently think they can play every side of the fence.

I can't understand how anyone can respect this charade.

Pat G and Pete NC..... you guys seem awfully confused and frustrated.

Better go consult a doctor, those are early signs of dementia and Alzheimer's disease. We appreciate your old fart concerns for my generation, but we would be much better off if your generation just took early retirement from political life and corporate leadership, so my generation can start sorting out and fixing all of the messes you've concocted for us since Reagan's time in office. Go on now, its time to take your meds again.

Want to see the Medicare problems fixed real fast. Take the fancy medical coverage away from congress and the presidents, which they pay nothing for we pay for it, and put them on the same care the rest of the US gets. I'll bet the problems will be resolved really fast.

Romney's record of lies is near 100%. He pulled the same stunt with his tax forms back in MA, denying there was nothing, but sure 'nuf, he was filing in his home state of UT and not as a resident of MA as he claimed all during his campaign - trust me he kept saying. Never turn your back on a snake. And the republicans paid big time bucks to get him out of that tight squeeze.

Imagine, a candidate for the presidency and Romney doesn't want his time at Bain looked at, his time as governor, and now his taxes. WTF? Also, check all the way back, he has continuously covered his arse using lies and putting blame on others. This man was given a mission by his handlers, get the White House for us, do whatever you have to do. Ryan, a Catholic, was chosen to close the religious gap - he's being used, though he joins Romney as a liar. Isn't there any repub/tparty that can talk facts? OBAMA 2012 and a strong Democratic Congress to keep Medicare, SS, and the health care law.

Sleuth - I think what John posted makes infinately more sense than anything coming from Obama/Biden, or you for that matter.

OBXRon; I think you are confusing Medicaid with Medicare. Medicare will only pay for 150 days in a nursing facility; the first 20 days are paid in full by Medicare but days 21-150 have an enormous copay attached. That's where supplemental insurance comes in handy. Furthermore, Medicare will stop paying prior to the 150 days if you stop making "measurable progress" in therapy, or if you refuse to go to therapy 3 times in a row.

Medicaid, on the other hand, does pay for nursing home care until such time as you either die or are lucky enough to be able to go home (provided that you still have a home after you've impoverished yourself enough to qualify for Medicaid). I used to work in long term care and some of the residents had been there for years, courtesy of Medicaid. In the case of Medicaid, you will be expected to hand over any and all of your Social Security check and any other pension/income you may have (less a very small amount for personal expenses like clothing and other things not deemed necessary....a deck of cards if you like to play pinochle with your friends, some kind of food that you really like and things like that.)

Long term care insurance is very nice to have, but can be prohibitively expensive and is well out of the financial reach of many people.

The GOP playbook is to say one thing and do something entirely different. Can't you tell when someone is lying to you. With regards to Medicare, the GOP want to destroy it, plain and simple. Romney and Ryan want to lead it down a path of failure. Republicans are for the wealthy, have been and always will be. They think that their rich cronies and cohorts will persuade others to vote for them. They will even try to con the christians for their vote, anything for a vote. They will say and do anything to delight your ears and make you feel good.

I remember every presidential election since 1952. Mitt Romney is the most pathetic candidate I've seen from either party. In campaign ads, every candidate stretch the truth, take statements out of contest, and distort their opponents' record. But thus Romney clown takes it to new levels. This guy flat out lies --- constantly, day after day after day. No lie is too big to tell. Mitt Romney will say anything, repeat any lie, take any position on any issue at any time simply to win a vote. He makes Richard Nixon look honest.

Thanks Timothy but we've already realized that you guys don't understand much of anything our president says. If you did, you would be voting for him, but maybe a college education is something that your kids will be able to afford, as you clearly missed out

booty.............agree completely and have you noticed that the Rethuglicons are doing the same thing to the Post Office........make it fund all future retirements..............just like they want their friends in the business world to do [NOT].......so they can point to how the PO is losing money and should be privatized...............to their CONTRIBUTORS.

John, ol' buddy, maybe you should wake up before trying to type...

Thank you for your elder wisdom Charlie!

Armurray.... the left, and anyone else for that matter, can make up anything they want about Mitt's taxes, but the burden of proof lies with Mitt. It's easy to prove them wrong, just release the returns. Call me cynical, but anytime a politician of any stripe tells me to "trust him" I know that he is just covering his own ass. Pretty bold considering all of his buddies like McCain and Ryan got to see them, but when it comes to the American public, sorry.

I know that Mormonism is a cult, but are they all liars?

Timothy

You must have imagined the 'details' of the Ryan/Romney plan because there are none. The only hint of what they're really up to is the Ryan (take from the poor to give to the rich) budget. Since they became a 'ticket', it's trust us, we have a plan that will fix everything.

Given their record, I wouldn't trust Romney or Ryan as far as I can s**t.

So everybody can just make stuff up?

I've heard Obama applied for and received scholarships because he said he was a foreign student. Should he allow the school to release his school records to prove he didn't?

I heard Obama wrote Reverend Wright's sermons. Should we go look at the originals to see if it was Obama's handwriting?

I heard Obama was not a good State Representative or U.S. Senator. Oh yeah, I know that is true being from Illinois...

I can make all kind of claims, but should it matter? I guess only if you don't have anything else to run on.

When I watch ROMNEY I can honestly say he lies 85% OF THE TIME! Just watch his face, especially his eyes you can see he is lying through his teeth! Just because he is a Mormon does not mean he does not lie. I think this guy is the ANTI-CHRIST.

The Obama campaign has claimed Romney's running mate Paul Ryan was forced to "flip flop" on Medicare by the GOP candidate. And Rep. Chris Van Hollen (D-MD) said the Romney-Ryan plan would "hasten the insolvency of the Medicare program by 8 years, that's according to the Medicare trustees."

this is a lie, especially if you know what MATH is. with the voucher program based from those aged 55 and older, medicare remains basically the same. only those who are better off than than others recieve less (something the dems should be rejoicing as best thing since pizza). you can pick your own doctor(s), and money for those less fortunate 55 and older will eventually have a better program than they have now, because: those under 55, who collect SSI/Medicare/Medicade, will be under a different system, limiting benifits (if i understand correctly) to as an exsample, if one is too fat to work, they will recieve preventive health care.

this is government way of weening some of the leeches who have flocked to these programs as a means to not work, or maintain a healthy standard of living.

On the campaign trail this week, Romney said the Romney-Ryan plan to transform Medicare was "very similar" to Medicare Advantage.

in case some FAIL to understand, this means it has some of the same things MA has, but not all. Unlike the NObama NOchoice program you can see whats in it, and you can actually debate (make your voice heard) what to keep and toss. i would rather see an open debate, vs a closed door session as we did with NObama-care

But Marsha Gold, a health-care expert at Mathematica Policy Research, said the big difference between the two is this: Medicare Advantage, like Medicare, is a defined benefit -- where the government guarantees a level of coverage -- while the Romney-Ryan plan transforms Medicare into a defined contribution -- where the government decides what it will pay.

hey! thats a great idea! because that is just the same thing the government does and has been doing for 200 and some yrs, lol. This is limited to those UNDER THE AGE OF 55.... yes, those people who cant go to work because their back hurts, because they are too fat, act like they are too stupid, and on welfare from racking up a bill for every little sniffle or slight pain.

in 91 i inverted 2 disks in my lower back, have worked with chronic pain since then, and by no means limited to my back, as well any other working stiff. i am not alone among millions of other who hurt before the start of the day, till they hit the sack. looking this program is going to change some of that, and i am great-ful! in 20 yrs, maybe i can retire and kick back like those who never worked a day in their life having nicer crap than i do, who never held a job, owned a buisness, or contributed in any form to their care and well being i and the rest who are lucky enough to have a job go to work every day to provide them...... yes that would be WELFARE DROOLS. THAT rvrn now transformed back into the why bother getting off the couch to look for a job, or go to learn a skill program for leechers.

Sam627556

When I watch ROMNEY I can honestly say he lies 85% OF THE TIME! Just watch his face, especially his eyes you can see he is lying through his teeth! Just because he is a Mormon does not mean he does not lie. I think this guy is the ANTI-CHRIST.

uh, i think when you see anything that has a face of Rom/Ryan you run to the room set off as a shrine to NObama and weep. so if what you "think" is true... then what I "think" must be as well? do you want to know JUST what I think?

I thought this campaign was supposed to be about Jobs! Job! Jobs! and the economy. Why is Romney talking about everything except jobs and the economy? Is that not really his number one priority? Or does he have other things he thinks are more important?

The AARP backs President Obama, and they have specialized analysts that have revised Ryan's "wonderful" plan.

Sure AARP backs Obama and Obamacare. They will make $1 billion over the next 10 years if it is allowed to stand. As a senior, I want nothing to do with AARP.

Ask yourself, why are your representatives waived from Obamacare? I want their plan.

Romney gets in office, nothing will be going away and I will continue my $29 monthly payments and Medicare Advantage will be saved.

Yes the 716 billion will be restored back to the medicare trust fund.

Hmmm, you should review Ryan's plan again. You know, Ryan's plan, which Mitt Romney just loves:

In an interview with ABC Green Bay affiliate WBAY, GOP presumed presidential candidate Mitt Romney says, “Actually, Paul Ryan and my plan for Medicare is the same. If not identical, it’s probably close to identical.

First off, no one mentioned $700 Billion...

Politifact.com:

Because we’re wonks ourselves at PolitiFact, our ears pricked up at the claim in recent days that Obama cut $700 billion out of Medicare. Just a few weeks ago, the oft-cited number was $500 billion. How did he manage to cut another $200 billion when no one was looking?

Well, there are cuts and then there are CUTS. Neither Obama nor his health care law literally "cut" a dollar from the Medicare program’s budget.

Rather, the health care law instituted a number of changes to reduce the growth of Medicare costs. At the time the law was passed, those reductions amounted to $500 billion over the next 10 years.

What kind of spending reductions are we talking about? They were mainly aimed at insurance companies and hospitals, not beneficiaries. The law makes significant reductions to Medicare Advantage, a subset of Medicare plans run by private insurers. Medicare Advantage was started under President George W. Bush, and the idea was that competition among the private insurers would reduce costs. But in recent years the plans have actually cost more than traditional Medicare. So the health care law scales back the payments to private insurers.

Now, secondly, Ryan's plan counts on those same savings...

Politifact.com:

Now onto our second question: Does Ryan’s budget keep the reductions in Medicare spending? The short answer is yes.

Here’s what Ryan said in an interview with George Stephanopolous of ABC News in June, before his selection as Romney’s running mate:

Stephanopoulos: "You know, several independent fact-checkers have taken a look at that claim, the $500 billion in Medicare cuts, and said that it's misleading. And in fact, by that accounting, your budget, your own budget, which Gov. Romney has endorsed, would also have $500 billion in Medicare cuts.

Ryan: "Well, our budget keeps that money for Medicare to extend its solvency. What Obamacare does is it takes that money from Medicare to spend on Obamacare. ..."

So Ryan has confirmed his budget includes the Medicare savings.

But Ryan's plan does not retrun those savings to the Medicare trust fund. In fact, Ryan's plan counts on that additional $700B (funny how it suddenly increased from the Obama administration's estimate, isn't it?) to fund some of the massive tax cuts and increases in spending that Ryan's plan projects for the first 10 years.

Naaaaw, Ryan and Romney ain't giving nothing back. Except to millionaires in the form of tax cuts.

armurray: You can claim whatever you wish, giving away you are a Fox viewer (Tsk). Did you know Fox applied for and were refused a broadcast license in Canada because of their "...misleading, bias reporting..." March 2011. That's a government license, mind you, and serious business. Prez Obama did get scholarships; but not as a foreign student. Harvard legal records list Prez Obama's birthplace as Hawaii. For your info, Hawaii is a State.

I especially loved how you posted that Prez Obama 'wrote Wright's sermons." If Wright was a little more with it, he would have asked the Prez to do that, but Wright's ego wouldn't allow it.

It appears you won't, can't, accept that we have an intelligent, wise, humble and patient man for President. Look objectively at Prez Obama's accomplishments over the past almost 4 years, include the natural and man made disasters over the same time period - especially the first 2+ years of his Presidency, and this President will be listed as one of the greatest Presidents. (And I certainly hope historians will include the tea party of NO, the obstructionists to any presentation made by the President, even their own policies.)

Ed

Apparently there are enough details for Obama and his lemmings to charge that the Romney/Ryan plan would "gut programs for older Americans". Romney/Ryan provide details about their proposals every day. You need to listen to them instead of Obama. Obama may indeed have a "supernatural" power to prevent some people from hearing the truth. I hope you are not one of them. No matter what language Obama chooses to make his baseless charges, lies are still lies.

Naughty...........well said and very true. The leeches on society always scream the loudest about "their" money and "their" healthcare, all of which is and has been provided by us working stiffs. Add a bunch of illegals who also have paid nothing into the system and we find ourselves in the trouble we are in.

-usa1967...

"Many people consider the things which government does for them as social progress, but they consider the things government for others as socialism." Earl Warren

So... how's that "E Pluribus Unum" thing working out for you, so far?

The Ryan plan is modeled after the Senior prescription drug program, the only program in over 40 years to come in UNDER budget. The Senior citizens like it, because they get their medicine for less than before the program.

The only thing the stinks is the excriment the left is smearing on the program!

Pete, NC

Stealing from our children and grand childre sure as hell isn't the way. whats young with asking everyone to put a little skin in the game. I you want to give everything you've erned away they have things called charitys but its volintary not mandated.

Nothing's wrong with asking everyone to put skin in the game; I guess you'll support repealing the Bush tax cuts and raising taxes on the wealthiest Americans, won't you??? And charities will NEVER support the poor like the safety net does; if charity can't fix the conditions of the people in Haiti, how the hell could it support America???

OBAMA BIDEN 2012

earthgirl I love you but since I am a middle aged woman my love is for your comment, your intelligence and your future of truth and honesty.

Pete...........you started off in @2.3 with gibberish and now?!..........what are you smoking today?

he will take all the hard working peoples money and give it to them.

Oh sure! the GOP is ready to give YOU MONEY.....THERE IS A POT OF GOLD AT THE END OF THE RAINBOW...SAYS Paul Ryan. Go ahead and believe him.

CV.... President Obama and the dems are trying to take care of all Americans, not just the black ones. Unlike Mitt, he doesn't pick a small minority to help at the cost of every other American. Too bad your side was too busy trying to keep him from getting elected again and not doing their jobs. Ironic that the Chairman of the House Budget committee wants a new job, but presides over the house committee that has failed to pass a comprehensive federal budget for the last 3 years. I thought it was just the black people that expected hand outs for doing nothing? Time to stop blaming everything on black people and pull your head out of Mitt Romney's favorite hiding place!

Oh its also the place where Mitt gets all of his facts, and apparently advice from.

Paul Ryan is going to lay it thick on FL today. Isn't it wonderful that you all will have the chance to meet his Mom, another marketing trick. The Ryan family has been and is loaded. His Mom doesn't need any Medicare or her SS check to live on - it's stashed away for the grandkids. She's living off the income of her holdings. Aren't we all? Sure.

His Dad died when Ryan was 16 and he and his family collected SS, tho you won't hear that. Ryan put his in a bank - that started his college fund he told us decades ago. Then why does he now want to take that away?

Ryan will lie about Medicare - that Prez Obama is cutting $716B from the program - sorry, that's a really big lie. That $716B is the savings from cutting out insurance companies, catching fraud, savings from that fraud Prescription program, etc. That $716B is giving us more benefits at lower cost and that's the rub for the repub/tparty - the sooner they can get us begging, the better for the repub/tparty.

The republican party as we knew it is gone. Even McConnell, R-KY, has turned to a 'rob the middle class, take it from our seniors, our disabled, our poor'; give to the rich - they deserve more and more. OBAMA 2012 and a strong Demoratic Congress. President Obama does care for ALL of us.

Doctor Seuss for 2012: "I do not like Barack Obama, I do not like his health care scam. I do not like that sneaky crook, or how he lies and cooks the books. I do not like it when he steals, I do not like his secret deals. I do not like that metro man, I do not like his 'YES WE CAN.' I do not like his spending spree, does he not know that nothing's free? I do not like his smug replies, I do not like his constant lies. I do not like his kind of hope. I do not like it. Nope, nope, nope."

@earthgirl,

better than the flim-flam NObama marketing tricks tho, one must admit! it didnt cost us a dime, lol. can YOU or anyone tell me why, why of all things, one would kill a program (training people for a skilled job) for people who are on welfare, AND OFF WORK (one small detail i think some will be missing out of this as well), to get BACK INTO the workforce? gotta be honest here... if this isnt pandering to the lazy vote, the illegals vote, and any other downfall we have been given the burden (us taxpayers with jobs) to care for, WITHOUT them even having to LOOK for a job, much less open their mouths to learn even a bit of the American language i have no clue what is.

this is a so called president who was voted into office, paradeing nothing but jobs for people to pay for welfare, to begin with imo, and people still couldnt see past who was going to pay for it. i think they are starting to feel the change right now... and it isnt in NObama's NOAmerica-care direction most of us want to head into... slaves for the lazy does not fall into my criteria for getting a vote.

but then, to ramble on about when Ryans dad cied his family collected SS when he was 16. do you know why? because when ANY family member who put into the system passes, their spouse and kids who are living get back, what that family member put in, AND will no longer be useing when they retire. try looking up facts, or stop spreading lies!

when my father died, i was 18, but had 3 younger brothers. my father even tho i disliked him, was a hard and dedicated worker, who busted his a$$ to put food on the table, and a roof over our heads, no matter that it eventually killed him. HE put in HIS WELL EARNED MONEY into the system, so why shouldnt his wife, and kids get some of that back!? and this works for everyone!

THUS not having a father at the age of 16, he STILL makes more money, has become more successful, and hell of a lot better role model than we normally see from todays parents, and not even with the same dillema (one parent to raise a child or children).

maybe if you took some of that bs you are trying to spread as ripping someone off (taxpayers) and put it to use telling the Clown in office how offended you are people on welfare, dont have to look for a job, or go to school to learn a skill to obtain a job? nah.... that would make sense, trying to save taxpayers money, at the same time HELPING people.....lmao!

naughty mossy: You had best check on that welfare program where you said Prez Obama crashed. That is a baldfaced lie. Prez Obama has always stood for more training, cross training, funding for trade schools - but you can't change a repub/tparty that says NO to a yes, as is needed when there's money involved. Check it out - another BS from Fox. You want truth? Check it yourself, not from a station that couldn't get into Canada because their govt. does NOT allow BS. Google: Fox denied Canada license. Now to the next.

You're right, SS is there as a death benefit but did you know Ryan will work to cut that from SS, part of his reform package? Did you know Romney/Ryan will cut and eventually do away with any program that has afforded opportunities to people who are 'just making it?' I'm a believer, as is Prez Obama, that 99.9% of people are ready and willing to work, but not if brick walls are placed in front of their noses time after time. There was a time when single moms had a choice, get a job and pay most of what you earn for child care, or stay on the dole. Today their choice is better, wider, giving the Mom and childlren a chance to get ahead. Isn't that what we're all about. You know, lend a hand to those who need it?

I put no BS in my post, sweetie, I'm an Independent and have tried always to vote for the person who offers to ALL Americans a quality life. Checks on a politicans background are fun and interesting - a better path to learning about a person, as a zebra does NOT change its stripes. After 8 years with bush/cheney, it was time for big change. I was a Hillary supporter until thoroughly checking on Obama's background, his work in the community and what they had to say, his work in the IL senate - talking to both sides. In short, they'd hesitate before playing poker with Obama because he's a thinker, he's patient and farseeing. Prez Obama's character traits have won him the kudos from both parties and they applaud his work.

That's when WE knew our country needed this man. But a Black man for President? His win took the republicans by surprise. Immediately they huddled and drew what we've seen in the House, a repub/tparty of NO, even to the policies the republicans themselves had offered at one time. Can you beat that? So there it is.

We're retired and have the time to spend on politics, which people today don't have. WE have ours, and WE want you to get yours too. It's not enjoyable seeing or hearing of misery. Prez Obama is definitely the best man for the Presidency, and he needs a strong Democratic Congress to help him with his plans. He's not a socialist, or Muslim, or whatever else they're saying today. He's no warmonger. Prez Obama believes in dialogue, in exchanging ideas - we've seen that in Prez Obama's first two years reaching out to the other side and it didn't work. Just think about it, that's all, and forget Fox, they're for ratings only - not facts. Thanks for your post.

Great comment. We did decide on President Obama because of how ruthlessly the GOP would treat H. Clinton and it would be so ugly. They did have a shocking surprise with President Obama's win, but they decided against America and against the President and against Democrats. The Party of No deserves nothing but contempt by everyone. The GOP really wanted a lot of harm and damage for the country while they sneered and jeered.

Romney....

http://articles.businessinsider.com/2012-02-03/politics/31019944_1_romney-campaign-mitt-romney-misspoke

• In a CNN interview on Wednesday morning, Romney startled everyone by announcing that "I'm not concerned about the very poor."

and now?? Ryan your VP flip flops with you? How much did you pay him for this gig??

Oh and you and some of your (rob the poor and give to the rich) followers blast obama for spending to much, and yesterday you say he hasn't SPENT ENOUGH?

When it comes to fiscal issues, Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan want voters to know they’re collectively disgusted by what they see as a reckless government spending spree under President Obama the past three years.

But in a twist, they’re also contending that Obama’s government hasn’t stepped in enough to help Americans. It’s the political equivalent of “This food is terrible — and such small portions!

http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/08/again-and-again-romney-and-ryan-slam-president-obama-for-spending-too-little.php?ref=fpb

I think Gingrich was right. You will say anything to become President.

What a joke.

Obama/Biden 2012.

That makes one smart one on the ticket.

As opposed to Mitt-Ryan ticket, where you have TWO CROOKS, READY TO SWINDLE YOU FROM YOUR TAXES TO GIVE THEMSELVES A PAID DAY.

Pete you really need to learn how to spell before calling someone else a moron. By the way you write YOU'RE clearly not a college graduate. Please let the educated leaders make decisions that help you sir, as you are clearly not in the tax bracket that Romney's policies support.

If you make less than $250K a year vote a straight democratic ticket for YOUR sake!

Obama/Biden 2012!

Sleut: The paid repub/tparty posters are known for "moran." Must be a code word to prove their doing their job.

Here's hoping the citizens of FL will question Ryan over and over. However, word is out that this will be a 'selected' audience. That's the same stunt Rove played at every single appearance of the criminal regime of bush/cheney - supporters only, some given a script with questions. Been there, done that!

Ryan and his mom will be appearing at The Villages. The Villages is 80% Republican. It is the same place Rick Scott campaigned and had his security team scour the crowd to make sure all Democrats and dissenters were removed. Ryan will get a fine welcome. Bringing his mom is also from the Rick Scott playbook. Scott had his mom robocalling during the gubernatorial election telling everyone how wonderful her son is. It always seemed strange to me because when Rick started making money, he bought her a donut shop so she could earn her own way. Most sons would buy their mom a house or make sure she was comfortable (especially since she was a single mom and social aid recipient while he was growing up). It makes all the sense in the world he'd come here. Rick Scott intends to deny the expansion of medicare coverage to the poor in here in Florida. We've also seen how well Rick's "Get to work" plan has worked here as well. He "Got to work" on dismantling Florida and taking the states money. Even the Tea Party Panhandle is starting to feel the mistake of electing him. Oh, and that balancing Florida's budget thing? That hasn't worked out so well either.

Fiona: Thanks for posting. Poor Rick Scott - a deadbeat son too? A couple of friends were scrutinized and declined the invitation to sign their names on whatever was being thrown at them. They were asked to leave, can you believe? It sounds like the Town Hall meetings the repub/tparty people organized in IL; the thugs were watching the audience and did escort an elderly woman out the door when she asked why they were against the new health care law. Then there was good ol' Joe Walsh-R-IL, who actually shouted, shouted at a person for asking a question - really shouting. She was also escorted out the door. In WI, a repub/tparty whose name escapes me held a Town Hall meeting - $15 admission. Get that. Oh yes, and just the other day, Ryan was at the Iowa Fair and was asked a question, and it's right on tape where she also was taken by the arm and led out. Ryan than said something like, oh she's not from IA. So voter suppression is not enough for the repub/tparty that have an agenda to rape our country, to ensnare women with their birth control/sex policies. What a sicko bunch.

WE need volunteers to help get people registered. Call your local office - forget the State Atty. if it's a repub/tparty, they'll discourage your efforts. WE need to get Prez Obama re-elected and a strong Democratic Congress to keep our health care with us.

On collapsing comments: We should have a global "opt in/opt out" choice setting for comment collapsing in our profiles. Also a vote down along with vote up button. Super easy to do...please NewsVine...your fans are begging for help on this!

In the meantime, a tip: always un-collapse comments starting the the bottom up.

Conservatives are the only ones who truly care about the poor. Libs only give to charities to make themselves look and feel good. You won't find many actually getting their hands dirty.

Conservatives only "care" about those they believe can help them.

During the Revolutionary War conservatives were called "tories", they sided with the English King. He had money and was powerful.

Progressives did ALL of the heavy lifting during the war. After all, just look at the Constitution. When judged against the fabric of it's time, it is the MOST PROGRESSIVE DOCUMENT EVER WRITTEN.

Conservatives were traitors then, and they are traitors now.

I sincerely hope you don't really mean that. Republicans have always targeted the middle class and the poor. Taxes are low on the so called " job creators " now so where are the jobs?

Conservatives are the only ones who truly care about the poor

OH PLEASE!!!! How many churches are rescuing Homeless? Just where I live there are more churches than schools, shelters or hospitals COMBINED, AND THEY never do anything that the "conservatives" say they will do if we have "less government"

According to the "conservatives", churches will help people with medical bills, mortgages, etc.

NOBODY IS HELPING PEOPLE WITHOUT INSURANCE, especially the churches. They are always asking for money to 'help" the poor. The owners of these multimillion business are not about to help ANYBODY, just help themselves. Look at the palaces that the mormons own. Do you think that they allow homeless inside their beautiful palaces? NO WAY!! If you don't show in a suit and tie and perfectly groomed, they look at you like TRASH.

NICE "CHRISTIAN CONSERVATIVES"

Sorry Pat nice try.... try again some other time when you guys have a shot at winning something.

4 more for 44!!!

Funny how people like pat can only spew hate filled nonsense, he lies, he sucks, etc. while so many democrats post valid well thought out posts. Why is that?

The desperation of the Romney campaign is becomes more clear each day. No lie is too big to tell. A month from now when his numbers are even worse, Romney will have Trump at his side spewing the birther garbage.

I agree Larry. We aren't all saints that vote dem, but we do try to focus on accomplishing something other than name calling and making up lies. It's just too bad we can't go to a popular vote system now in each state to get rid of all the redistricting crap every 10 years. It's making big money's job in buying votes way too easy.

Well when it all goes broke under the current tweedle twins then the poor will have nothing at all. At least Mitt and Paul are trying to save the United States from bankruptcy. You need to understand that the one big problem with the Tweedle twins solution is that once you run out of other people's money then you have a real problem. Look around the world at all the socialist countries and how the poor do there. Pick the one you like best and as long as you agree to stay there I will fund your one way ticket.

I think you mean Romulus and Remus. Welcome to the new Rome under the new Nazi's.

Isn't that the truth!! But even old Jessie Helms once made the remark,"Why don't we just hand everything over to the insurance companies?" fairly pessimistically.Romney's buddies are in the health insurance business and the drug business. Pfizer makes billions PER WEEK from Celebrex. They've paid a $2B fine for dishonestly selling their prescription pain remedies and not disclosing the several life threatening side effects. But it was reported that for them, the $2B fine was just a speeding ticket-they make that in 2 weeks! They don't want that party to end. So they support Romney.

The only problem with Romney/Ryan is that their complaining about healthcare is the FACT that they want to privatize Medicare so that the same people who NOW routinely deny Healthcare to HMO subscribers can deny Medicare for their subscribers as well. The Romney plan WILL deny Healthcare to MILLIONS because the HMO's are doing it NOW. His argument is total BS and so is his tax plan whereby the rich get to bank their money while the working class pay the taxes. Reagan knew what todays Republicans are in denial about. If you Tax the rich they will invest their money because INVESTMENTS are TAX-DEDUCTABLE. DUHHHHH!

If you care so much about the poor, pay something a little higher than 13% on your millions, that would help a few poor people to get some meals. Oh, that's right, that is socialism, sorry poor your on your own

At least Mitt and Paul are trying to save the United States from bankruptcy.

Ryan himself asked the CBO to analyse his plan. Realize that the CBO did nothing but take all Ryan's assumptions at face value and analyze what the effects would be. Under Ryan's plan:

... the debt actually rises, above its projected levels under current law, during the first 10 years of Ryan's plan. Under current law, the CBO projects the debt to balloon to 67 percent of GDP by 2022; under Ryan's plan, the CBO expects it to rise to 70 percent.

Now, Ryan's plan (assuming that all of Ryan's assumptions are correct), does result in a balanced budget... in 28 years!!

Yep, that's Republican fiscal responsibility right there!

Maybe the "poor" should get off their ass and get a better job!! Oh, that's right, obumbo hasn't created any jobs!! Time for real change. Boot obumbo and biteme OUT!!!!!!

Will I see this subject bough all the stupid people that are still voting the socialist ticket.

Tell me Obama is not taking $716 billion out of Medicare he is my co-pay just double this year. You fools don't see it all of you that have your hand out wishing the gov, give you more.

Paulette-605236 are you pissed that Romany getting all of Obama's money. Talk about arrogant look at Obama's wife, she arrogant and stupid now that's had to do .

While Romney and Ryan are on the campaign trail giving details on how they will save medicare and restore the economy, Obama is on the trail enlightening America about important issues like what his favorite work out tune is. My favorite is the “supernatural” power he most desires most. We now know he would like to be able to speak all languages!

Obama may indeed have a "supernatural" power. It seems he is able to prevent some people from hearing the truth. Unfortunately for him, there is cure and Romney/Ryan will be administering it for the next three months.

Your the fool. The Republicans count on shallow thinkers like yourself.

since you co-pay just doubled .. what is it now?? and most important did you have some new income

USA167

please check your facts.. job creation in OBAMA's 1st term has been incredible considering what he was left with.. and yes 4 years ago this nation was near collapse..

there would also be more jobs but BONER is sitting on 39 jobs bills, which he will push if mittens ngets elected.... the 112th congress has passed fewer than 300 bills.. interesting for all that money they get paid..

Is it just me, or does anyone else hear the voices of Beavis and Butthead in their heads when reading hate-filled rants by right wingers like Pat G?

A RESOUNDING SHOUTED AMEN TO THAT, Paulette. Thank you.

Obama's from Hawaii...it was in all the papers.

that's for sure... classless, low IQ and without a soul. That's the new KKK of today, teabagger republickens. As proof just read the post above by Metalman. What racist drivel they spew

That was not even call for. The name calling. That shows your ignorance right there. Attach a woman. THe girl called Mitt's wife arrogant.. you called some else's wife an ape. Wow..

Who an you believe. What kills me is a lot of American's are boat jumpers looking for a dream and will jump my ship if the other man's ship has bigger bells and whistle. Many don't want to ride out the storm but get a quick fix. First off.. how can you create jobs? What are you going to do... get rid of NAFTA? Put higher tariffs on imports? Other than doing that you can not make any company HIRE people and the way corporate greed is right now I don't want to trust any coporate company with MY government money.

Lets talk about fixing unemployment for the poor and black (Im a black female so I can say this.) First off, if you are poor, any ethnicity, check out how you are living. Are you living above your means. Budget. How can one man make any company hire more black people. Racism still exist, that is apparent by Metalman-5390124 comment. So if someone puts a sign up Hiring - Black only.. guess the back lash. Then, I am tired of company's getting a tax break because they hired me. I went through that in my younger years of my CPA career. Hire me because of my skills and connections I have built. For the poor and the person about the black comment.. it's called budgeting, hardwork, and net working.

For the rest of you... if you don't like this country and the people that try to run it according to their free thougths and opinons ,... go to another country. Other wise.. get over yourself, pick the best candidate for your issue, know that the other candidate will ever meet your needs because you are a die hard republican or democrat. Also, I agree with the person that mentioned only independents seem to really care about the country. Maybe you all should stop taking a look at the top two and look at someone that may thing outside a box and not for one particular group in a box...

Medicare Advantage? I have that program and it stinks just like Romney and Ryan and their revolving door polictics based on polls, pressure from big business and remember Romney said CORPORATIONS ARE PEOPLE! I detest this man and his pompous wife who talk down to to the electorate and thing we are too dumb to read their snobbery. Ryan? He concoccted the whole budget where Meicare and we take the fall. BABY BOOMERS, lets show them how powerful a generation we are, lets kick some political azz. Folks, both this mental midgets think the American public is stupid. Lets show them how stupid we are by defeating them in the biggest landslide ever.

Also, I would choose Mitt's wife any day over the CRO-MAGNUM ELITIST APE we have in there now.

It is sad to see how some people would elect a white man, just because he is white. Have you seen how ARROGANT MITT ROMNEY IS?

I GUESS YOU think that he earned the privilege to be arrogant because he is white and rich. Anybody else, especially people of color, should just be servants and slaves, right?

You can't stand President Obama because you are a white man that can't stand a man of color in such a powerful position. If you could only go to school, and realize that education is there for everybody, you would not be so JEALOUS.

That was not even call for. The name calling.

Tell that to your right wing biddies.

Obama... Show us your College transcripts. The American people have a right to know how you got in and how you did. When he shows his transcripts then Mitt should show another year of tax returns. What Mitt made has no bearing on the election, just another attempted distraction from the issues of his failed performance.

Question. Does anyone know if Obama has released 10 years of his tax returns?

John: Not too sharp are you? How about Romney release all those records you want released from Obama since he hasn't released any either. Why should our president release records neither Romney or any other presidential candidate hasn't even been asked for?

Oh John's fired up and at it again! Who knew you spell college with an "a"?

Hendy.....Obama has released his tax returns for at least 5 years, but I think it is actually 10 or 12 years. Again, we don't care because there is nothing to indicate anything fraudulent in his tax returns. Mitt won't release his because it will show American's just how much he really pays in taxes and probably that he was granted amnesty from the IRS in 2009 for tax fraud. As for Obama's transcripts....I don't think you want to make it any easier for Obama to get re-elected than it already is.

At the very least, Romney's additional tax returns shows how he pays right around 15% while most of the rest of the working public pays 25-35%. Warren Buffet had a point how he pays a lower percentage of his income in tax than the lady who cleans his office. There are people of all income levels that realize that is both unfair and contrary to economic development.

Everyday that you repubs ask for his college transcrpts is one more day lost on the campaign to promote your guy. Keep it up! you will be whining about the college transcripts of a two-term president.

John: Sorry you don't realise both medicare and social security are funded by payroll taxes not income taxes. Though I'm sure you're very concerned some like Romney are paying for them greedy old people let me assure you 100% of those programs are paid entirely from taxes set aside for them. The 99% are paying 99% of the taxes that fund these programs not rich people like Romney so relax.

Medicare can be extended indefinitely by simply raising the 1.45% tax to 1.75% but that may not even be necessary with Obamas negotiated plan with hospitals and drug companies that would save 500 billion in costs and would extend medicare solvency to 20 years. As baby boomers die off and the ratio of workers to retirees increases it'll no longer be a problem. Leave democrats in office and both programs will be saved at minimal cost for future generations. Elect republicans to gut funds for their war machine.

Mr Romney,

You turned 65 this year.

Are you on Medicare?

Which Medigap insurance policy do you have, an Advantage plan? Or as a super weathly guy who makes $57,000. a day, do you fund your heathcare with a Health Savings account?

Seeing your wife is still 63, and you claim MA as your home state, does she get her good heathcare under Romneycare in MA?

Or did you take a waiver on Medicare, and contiue to have a private insurance plan?

Lets clear up these items, before you discuss what you want to do for the rest of us.

Simply do search on......Fox news dumber...and see studies that show people are actually dumber for watching Fox news.....yeps , lies, wrong info....makes them dumber! That's....Fox News dumber.

In 12 Years medicare, SS benefits and a few other programs will take up the complete fed budget.

And the only plan the GNOP has been able to come up with, the Ryan plan, won't do anything to scale back until 2022. In the meantime, they will cut taxes, spend more on Defense and, according to the CBO whom Ryan specifically requested look at the effects of his plan...

...the debt actually rises, above its projected levels under current law, during the first 10 years of Ryan's plan. Under current law, the CBO projects the debt to balloon to 67 percent of GDP by 2022; under Ryan's plan, the CBO expects it to rise to 70 percent.

The fact is, you are being hornswaggled by Republicans. Ryan's plan, which Romney really likes, will not balance the budget for 28 years, allowing the Republicans to spend like drunken sailors again for the first 10 of those years. Sorry, had enough of that under George W. Bush!

ROMNEY CAUGHT LYING AGAIN WITH OFFSHORE ACCOUNT IN LUXEMBOURG!

Documents show once again that Romney was head of Bain buying phone company in italy when he signed documents on his account. Now he is saying what he signed on those documents was a lie because retroactively he left the company before the date he put on those Luxembourg account documents! So Romney lied when he said he left the company, now he lies saying he wasn't with Bain when he signed those documents. This is criminal!

JOHN 268----

so again for those of you who can't find the facts.... IN COLLEGE Obama was number one in his class at harvard..and therefore was named editor of the LAW REVIEW

now for mitt he required toutors the entire time he was in college..

next all college records are sealed during an election,

by the way REPUBLICANS does ann romney smoke?? it is against their religon??? what ever that is.. or just because he gives millions to the mormons , the church that needs to lose it's tax free status because they giv big bucks to political causes

I agree with Larry, there are many ways to fix medicare that would leave it alone. Increase the taxes a small bit, improve the jobs situation, and during the next 20 years, with Obamas provider waste cuts and the dying off of boomers, this fixes itself. Turning it into a voucher program for insurance companies is a step that once taken, there will be no going back. The only ones who win in that scenario are the insurance companies. I think the republicans are turning this small window of time into something to completely change the game for the worse.

Wow! The name-calling shows how extremely pathetic we are! Pay attention to the REAL FACTS! Whar are R&R really saying. You may have heard different things, and that is because they are saying different thing at different times to different people! The 700-plus billion dollars in Medicare cuts through the ACA, are accomplished through consolidations, and enhancements in the deliveries, as well as expected reduction in cost! True, a lot oh "hoped-for" savings. Oh, Ryan did sign on for those "cuts" simply because he has never seen a cut to Social Programs that he dis not like!

R&R want to give "younger" people a choice for Medicare. This "choice" will be presented to you by your local friendly Major Insurance Company. Guess where the bulk of the money will go? All I can say, it will NOT benefit any of you "younger" people!

The choice is between a Socially responsible form of Government - NOT COMMUNISM, as some Ultra Right Blowhards would like you to believe - and a Conservative Right-Wing, Business-Oriented Socially Indifferent Goverment, that would probably engulf us in some additional wars - It is always easy to find some place in this World where we can come up with some excuse to get involved in militarily. After all, we do have the "Best" Military in the World, and with the Republican's plans - Ryan is proposing that also - to increase the budget for the Military by billions of dollars, why not go wherever we want to and have us another little war, here or there!

Get the idea? The choice is pretty clear, I'd say...

I understand that there are those who believe, like Romney, that the American poor & middle class should be enslaved to serve the rich and the multi-national corporations, and that our seniors should be killed off to save money for the rich, but does anybody actually believe the lies that spew from this guys mouth?

Could it be that Mr. Romney's tax returns will show that he isn't making the 10% required tithe to the Mormon Church and THAT is what he doesn't want the world to see? It would be more humiliating to him and his family than losing the presidency.

Obama is bankrupting America. When that happens nobody gets anything.

US DEBTCLOCK.ORG

$16,000,000,000,000.00 taxpayer debt

1/3 is owned by foreign countries

Obama spent/borrowed more money in 3.5 years than Bush spent in 8.

GermanGem,

Q: If

1/3 is owned by foreign countries

Who owns the other 2/3?

And...

Obama spent/borrowed more money in 3.5 years than Bush spent in 8.

Aside from the complete error of that statement, it's Congress which borrows and spends, not the President.

My advice, Randy, stop watching FOX NOISE and start reading a newspaper with the facts! Try the New York Times or the Washington Post and learn what Medicare is all about.

Randy, and if Romney/Ryan get their way it will turn into a voucher program, and the average senior will be paying an additional $6400, and thats a FACT!

The true fact is the health insurance companies and Big Pharma have caused the ridiculous escalation in costs, to make billions more than what they have accumulated, and to give you a talking point to make the President look bad.

Sorry kiddo, we're wise to your right-wing agenda and We, The People will not fall for your lies, never ever again.

Please copy this to Governor Romney and Congressman Ryan, liars all.

Randy you keep on beliving those lies. It shows just how ignorant you really are!

Randy - The fact that you have made such and assertion with no facts listed just goes to show how little you know about the program.

If you ask any senior that has had to decide on whether they would buy food or the meds they need as the cost was through the roof will tell you they are in a much better place now than they were before AHCA. I invite you to pull up anything regarding medicare and you will see how the cost has actually went down, not up. Back to my original thought.

For the sake of argument, let's forget Romney's taxes and just focus on everything he has said from the time he announced he was running for President up to now. There was a phrase used that angered the right and his campaign about having "no core". If you take into account of everything he has said up to now, you will see that the phrase is true. We don't know where he stands on any issues as he always switches stance every month to "appease" whatever base he's in front of. Now I can understand(for the sake of argument) you have an epiphany and decide to "change stance" but when you do that you have to stand by and defend your decision.......

Mr. Romney, I implore you to please take a stance and stick to it.

Common Sense 23....This is the problem with these boards. Fun to see the discussions but fiction is thrown around as fact.

Medicare premiums have increased and are slated to continue to increase as we go along. What Randy said is factual yet he could have said it years ago under most Presidents. Medicare premiums have built in inflationary protection.

While most people have enough quarters of coverage to receive Medicare A (hospital costs) you have to buy Medicare part B (doctors costs). Medicare B was just increased to approximately 110.00 monthly from 96.00. You must elect Medicare B and pay the premium. Also, you will be happy to note that the more money you earn (whether via investments or payroll) the higher your Medicare part B premium is. In other words, the rich are paying more than the middle class for the same Medicare benefits. Part C is your Advantage Plans and Part D the fairly new Prescription drug program

I tried to keep this real easy for you to follow and if you have any questions go to Medicare.gov as this is a great website for seniors.

Good for you! Can you tell us how you got that plan? I would like a plan like that.

Maybe,

Your points are good... Can you explain Romney's plan that easily for us?

appleeater

I researched all the different advantage plans out there on cost and what they covered and found Humana to be the best for my state.

Really Jim. The NY Times is a Liberal Rag. It's not a newspaper. I will give you the Washington Post. It has some Journalistic credibility.

A fact is something backed up with more than a statement. The only thing relevant about something going up is if it's going up faster under one president than another. Inflation hits everything.

RandyBob...that's just a ball face lie....Medicare has improved since Obama has been in office espically due to the Affordable Health Care Act...Honestly, you republicons are truly pitiful....Learn to read and get the facts for yourself please...Romney couldn't care less about you..All he wants is your vote so he can make him and his rich buddies even more richer....Once he gets your vote, he's gonna kick your arse to the curve and keep a steppin..over you..Wake up honey before it's too late....

MEDICARE has not gone up. If you're retired you know that! It's Bush's policies that has made it difficult for SS to give raises etc. Also if you've been on SS your would know that the price of Medicare goes up every time there is a raise in benefits. That's not an Obama issue that's been happening for years-are you just waking up?

So you and your idiot democrat friends want to tax the rich into leaving the country (thousands of them have already done this including two of the Facebook founders) and we are left with what.....NOTHING! You and those idiot dreamers on the liberal side will have us all bankrupt and starving within a couple of years. How could any sane, intelligent person vote for the democratic plan to kick the can down the road to BANKRUPTCY? Stop trying to kill our country!

Simply, and literally, unbelievable.

Roadrep,

What reality do you live in? During the Clinton Administration, when tax rates where higher, how many of the rich left the Country? None. They stayed and all got RICHER. How many jobs were created during the Clinton Administration? Wasn't it over 22 million or so? The middle class got richer which put more money in their pockets to spend on goods and services businesses offered. More business means business owners get richer. Your thinking is what would kill our Country.

It's kind of amusing that Obama would criticize any Romney/Ryan Medicare fix as throwing old people off a cliff, etc. when it is he that is destroying Medicare from within by stealing over 700 billion from it to finance his healthcare abomination and forcing doctors to take significantly less in payments while overwhelming them with regulations.

All this said, Obama still insists (believable only to the clueless and vacant) that Medicare is fine when in reality; it is on the precipice of bankruptcy. I recall a quote that says it all:

"When you want to help people, you tell them the truth. When you want to help yourself, you tell them what they want to hear." - Thomas Sowell

Reading many posts, it is abundantly clear that Obama has a following of those that only want to hear his feel good happy news, however self serving and irrational.

Article...." the Romney-Ryan plan would "hasten the insolvency of the Medicare program by 8 years, that's according to the Medicare trustees.".....

So agree that romney will say anything! The one thing that has me feeling better about this election is the fact more people are opening up their eyes to whom the republican party really is about<money, clear and simple>......Reagonomics has destroyed so much since 1980 with so many jobs lost over seas and huge national debt and even those people in red states are starting to realize it. Just in one group of corporation's(oil) you can see under clinton in 1997 the film "as good as it gets" shows the price of gas at $1.13 a gallon behind jack nicholson in one scene.....and when bush took over after 2000 spiked to nearly $5.00 a few times with record profits made(known as fiscal rape).....now we are 20 trillion in debt(middle class taxpayers) while off shore tax free haven banks have well over 20 trillion stockpiled by all these wealthy corporations that have gouged us since Reagan policy shift of trickle-down........so nice to see people understanding what Romney/Ryan are all about and can help stop it......

This article is just regurgitating more of Romneyhood's lies.

“Now if that wasn’t bad enough, his healthcare law also put in place a board of 15 unelected bureaucrats and gave them the power to make additional cuts to Medicare without even having to get approval from Congress,” he said.

This a flat out lie. That is an advisory board with no powers at all.

roadrep

So you and your idiot democratic friends want to tax the rich into leaving the country

Maybe you haven't noticed but the rich have been leaving this country for years and it has little to do with taxes. What you don't think they pay taxes in foreign countries? Whose the idiot?

The rich are investing in cheap labor, no benefits to pay, and lax environmental laws. At the same time getting trade laws weakened for import into this country. Getting breaks from people who claim somehow an American company is paying more, give me a break, more Republican talking points. With all the loopholes and tax breaks on investment they DON"T pay anymore than any other foreign company's investors. What they do receive is much more profit which can be seen as record profits now.

So let's help them more while the poor and middleclass that need jobs have to rely on the government. Oh, thats right you Republicans also want to cut all those "entitlement" programs.

Yeah, facebook. What a great example. Over price speculation. More rich entitlement. What is it's worth now? Half of what it was when it went public. Pretty soon that stock will be about as valuable as a roll of toilet paper and honestly I'd rather use the toilet paper to wipe my ass.

The followers of the GOP think that the rich will throw some crumbs when they are in power. Keep dreaming! You are just cutting your feet when you vote for the GOP!!

Or what? Do you think that they are only going to mess with the Democrats??? Everyobody in the middle class will pay the price for them having more TAX HEAVEN. Also, your money will be used for subsidies for BIG OIL, DRILLING AND WAR.

I AM SURE THAT YOU RATHER SEE YOU HARD EARNED MONEY GO TO WAR, INSTEAD OF YOUR MEDICAL CARE WHEN YOU ARE OLD.

"Romney slams Obama over Medicare, pledges more help for the 'poor' and 'sick."

Is this jerk for real??? If it wasn't such a serious matter that would REALLY be funny. What a hypocrite! Romney is for the wealthy, upper class elite--and anyone who believes that he's going to help the poor, sick, AND SENIOR CITIZENS is so stupid it's pathetic.

WAKE UP, EVERYONE! You think things are bad NOW, just wait!!!!

Roadrep, why should I have ANY respect for greedy pigs who would run away from America, rather than give a little of their trillions to help the country and its people. These people are very, very smart, and have gotten successful, but are clearly unpatriotic and care nothing about anything but themselves. There ARE plenty of rich people, like Warren Buffett, who support higher taxes on the wealthy to help the country. Those who give away American jobs, hide their American-made money overseas and untimately give up their citizenship to keep everything can get lost. We'll do fine without them.

What planet are you living on? They want to keep medicare, and give people born after 1957 - which includes me - a choice between medicare and several other plans.

Does anyone believe Mittens when he says he will do more to help the poor?

Mittens will reduce their healthcare.

Mittens will reduce job training and other educational benefits.

Mittens will do exactly what to help the poor?

And before your staff puts out more BS, have Ryan explain how you'll pay for this Mittens.

They want to keep medicare, and give people born after 1957 - which includes me - a choice between medicare and several other plans

I live in the planet of "I care what happens to other people besides me" Obviously you don't. What about the people that was born in 1958 and 1959? Are they chopped liver? How are they different from YOU?

Romoney & Rycon wants to do away with the Mortgage interest tax right off's !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

These two losers want to put Social Security into a 401 K !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

These two Clowns want Vouchers for our Seniors !!!!!!!!!!!!

These two Empty Suits want to go to War with Iran !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

These two Dirtbags are the Voice for the 1% !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Pffft, choice? what choice? Every reputable expert on the subject says Ryan's plan is a joke, which explains why Lyin Ryan is running away from his own plan. Mitt "the flip" Robme running away from Romneycare, and Paul "Lyin" Ryan running away from his own budget plan. What a dynamic duo.

Hey John, you do realize that Kaiser is a medical insurance company right?? And that they would support Romney's plan as it gives them larger profits? So any view from them is biased, they stand to gain from the Romney plan so of course they support it.

Amen. Then there are the media conglomerates that MSN reports that are going to take in $500million to broadcast the campaign ads this year-that, mostly focus on soundbytes and little or no information. Their lobbyists are the reason we don't get campaign spending limits.

If the voucher system is a good one why would they delay implementation for 10 years. If it's a good plan for tomorrows seniors wouldn't it be a good one for today's? They know if they suggested imposing such a system on todays seniors they wouldn't get a single vote.

The GOP plan is to scorch everything. Privatize everything and gouge the taxpayer, while the cronies get wealthy. The businessmen know how to run a business, and put plenty in the "investors" pocket. In 2005, The GOP went after the SS funds, it would have been amazing how much wall street could have stolen with that and the mortgage scam. Given a mandate of control of all 3 branches of government, which is what they have been working on for decades, any treasure(SS) funds, and the doling over of public held lands and parks would be doled out accordingly in a big free for all. theyl have invented another crisis like WMD to divert from their own corruption. Wake up.

REPUBS BLOCKED HEALTH CARE FOR 911 RESPONDERS...WHY?

911 RESONDERS ARE SICK AND DYING FROM TRYING TO SAVE PEOPLE ON 911.

Repubs blocked giving healthcare for 911 responders for years in the meantime they all took photo ops with 911 responders wrapping themselves up in the flag. When repubs were exposed on national tv show the very next day, most repubs quit blocking and voted for it. Some still did not vote for it!

Repubs blocking all bills that would help economy or would show President Obama in a better light. 15 Repub politicians and Fox news Pollster Frank Lutz , including Paul Ryan, met the night President Obam took office at Caucus Room restaurant and they all pledged to vote against every bill just to make President Obama a one term president. Pledging just like Bin Laden did to take the economy down, just to make Obama a one term president. Ryan pledging against economy recovery.

Votew President Obam/Biden and team America 2012

Ryan said Ayn Rand stands behind my Vulture Plan !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

understand Obama's thinking: 2016, the movie

tristanrose: Kaiser is a NON profit HMO that is actually slightly more efficient than Medicare. The for profit corporations can't even break 80% efficiency, let alone 90% efficiency.

I guess you have not read the news about Kaiser. Here you are!!! Open your eyes to the truth:

http://www.kaiserthrive.org/category/kaiser-fraud-corruption-cover-ups/

Cover ups, fraud, etc. What else do you want from an insurance company?

and Obama's plan is to let Medicare go bankrupt.

plan is to let Medicare go bankrupt.

NO! That is why he implemented the Health Care Reform! You can't believe everything in FAUX News. They call his plan"socialism" and other BS. Other countries -CAnada, Israel, the UK- have these plans in place, and they are not screaming around like little girls: Socialism!!

Romney should NOT engage in a debate over Medicare/Obamacare! This is a Democratic ploy to keep the people from thinking about the ECONOMY!

Oh yes we must re-elect POTUS Obama. I mean after all if Romney's plan is based on confusion then clearly we must re-elect Obama because with him there is no confusion at all. He clearly wants to destroy the United States from within by destroying us economically. Give him another 4 years to financially fleece this country and we will be (as a nation) bankrupt and then what do you really think will happen to Medicare? Yes by all means keep listening to Obama and falling for his con job and the United States will see their what they voted for (twice if he is re-elected) come to full circle.

Obama promised us Change did he not? Well here are the facts about the change we have received under Obama's watch, don't take my word for it look them up for yourself, I challenge all who are not to brainwashed by Obama or who are not too lazy to do this for the good of this country and then vote accordingly in November.

After three years of Obama ...
Here's your change!

January 2009

TODAY

% chg

^Source

Avg. Retail price/gallon gas in U.S.

$1.83

$3.86

111%

¹

Crude oil, European Brent (barrel)

$43..48

$102..02

129.7%

²

Crude oil, West TX Inter. (barrel)

$38..74

$91..38

135.9%

²

Corn, No.2 yellow, Central IL

$3.56

$6.33

78.1%

²

Soybeans, No. 1 yellow, IL

$9.66

$13..75

42.3%

²

Sugar, cane, raw, world, lb.Fob

$13..37

$35..39

164.7%

²

Unemployment rate, non-farm, overall

7.6%

8.3%

9.2%

³

Unemployment rate, blacks

12.6%

15.8%

25.4%

³

Number of unemployed

11,616,000

14,485,000

24.7%

³

Number of fed. Employees

2,779,000

2,840,000

2.2%

³

Real median household income

$50,112

$49,777

-0.7%

⁴

Number of food stamp recipients

31,983,716

43,200,878

35.1%

⁵

Number of unemployment benefit recipients

7,526,598

9,193,838

22.2%

⁶

Number of long-term unemployed

2,600,000

6,400,000

146.2%

³

Poverty rate, individuals

13.2%

14.3%

8.3%

⁴

People in poverty in U.S.

39,800,000

43,600,000

9.5%

⁴

U.S. Rank in Economic Freedom World Rankings

5

9

n/a

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Present Situation Index

29.9

23.5

-21.4%

¹¹

Failed banks

140

164

17.1%

¹²

U.S. Dollar versus Japanese yen exchange rate

89.76

82.03

-8.6%

²

U.S. Money supply, M1, in billions

1,575.1

1,865.7

18.4%

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U.S. Money supply, M2, in billions

8,310.9

8,852.3

6.5%

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National debt, in trillions

$10..627

$14..052

32.2%

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Just take this last item: In the last two years we have accumulated national debt at a rate more than 27 times as fast as during the rest of our entire nation's history.
Over 27 times as fast. Metaphorically speaking, if you are driving in the right lane doing 65 MPH and a car rockets past you in the left lane.
27 times faster, it would be doing 7,555 MPH!Sources:
(1) U.S. Energy Information Administration; (2) Wall Street Journal; (3) Bureau of Labor Statistics; (4) Census Bureau; (5) USDA; (6) U.S. Dept. Of Labor;
(7) FHFA; (8) Standard & Poor's/Case-Shiller; (9) RealtyTrac; (10) Heritage Foundation and WSJ; (11) The Conference Board; (12) FDIC;
(13) Federal Reserve; (14) U.S. TreasurySo, tell me again, what is it about Obama that makes him so brilliant and impressive? Can't think of anything? Don't worry. He's done all this in 29 months -- so you'll have about 8 months to come up with an answer. Every statement is factual and directly attributable to Barrack Hussein Obama. Every bumble is a matter of record and completely verifiable.

Romney is so FOS his eyes are....

Voucher programs for medical care have already been proven to be ineffective. Do you really want to "shop" for health care through the insurance companies, especially during a 3am emergency? Are the elderly able to make the proper decisions needed to get voucher related care? It won't work and never has worked. The Affordable Care Act is a much more sensible if not perfect approach. Romney and Ryan know this and that they do not have the answer to universal health care or anything else. Their platform is a re-hash of old failed ideas, like trickle down and vouchers. This is pure pandering and partisan politics on their part.

Her Mitt goes again Telling yet another LIE. His $716 Billion being taken from Medicare is a total LIE as confirmend by President Clinton and the Congressional Budget Office. No where in the ACA does it say that $716 Billion is being cut from Medicare. TOTAL LIE. He continues to run the Total LIE ad in Florida.

Now he is changing his plan to contain a Means test requirement. You paid for Medicare but you may not get the benefits because you make to much money to qualify. That means that the Government under the proposed Romney Plan will cut the services for some Seniors because they have adaquate funds to survive the massive Medical costs. Is he for real?

If the voucher system is a good one why would they delay implementation for 10 years. If it's a good plan for tomorrows seniors wouldn't it be a good one for today's? They know if they suggested imposing such a system on todays seniors they wouldn't get a single vote.

Why? Because Republican voters on average have a attention span approaching that of a gnat. If it doesn't affect them now and benefits their wallet now then it's AOK for them.

It's simple. Who do you believe protects Social Security and Medicare? The Democrats or Republicans? Who's all about supply-side austerity for everyone except the rich?

Romney/Ryan's VoucherCare -- Say NO!

He clearly wants to destroy the United States from within by destroying us economically

And you REALLY bellieve that the Republicans have the RIGHT ANSWERS. YOU SEEM TO FORGET THAT they were the ones throwing us into this mess.

Why can't you see that President Obama has done MANY GOOD THINGS. The Health Care Reform is a good thing for the country! How much value do you put in PEOPLE'S HEALTH?

OUR NATION HAS ONE OF THE LOWEST STANDARDS OF HEALTH, THANKS TO THE INSURANCE COMPANIES, and you want to keep that up.

http://www.businesspundit.com/us-healthcare-vs-the-rest-of-the-world-part-2/

How can Romney and Ryan propose huge cuts in Medicaid and then claim they will do more for the 'poor' and 'sick?' In fact, current seniors rely on Medicaid for nursing home assistance and hospice RIGHT NOW.

Fox watchin mental midgets believe him.

Fact, Republicans have a need to privatize everything and a need to suck all of your money form you pockets.

This is all taken from the Rove playbook. Take your biggest weakness, lie about it to make it sound like a strength, repeat all day every day until people hear it so often they think it's the truth.

Worked great for the Bush re-election. 9-11 happened on Bush's watch, but they made the nation believe that we'd only be safe with Bush. Every time the terror alert level rose, the Republicans would start the chatter about how the greater the risk the more we need W. It made absolutely no sense, but it was repeated often enough that enough people believed it.

Here we go again...

CONFUSION, that is the teabag republicrap goal, THIS CAN ONLY HAPPEN if uneducated losers continue to listen to AND BE PERSUADED to vote AGAINST their better interest. There will be a few that will vote the corporate line, but I have faith in my fellow Americans to SEE THROUGH the lies coming from the lips of the billionaires best friends. WE gave that money to the richest among us, we gave them the ability to buy our government, (legislators and judges), AND WE ARE ALLOWING IT TO CONTINUE. The teabaggers are a joke, a very obscene joke. The republicraps are the top 1% enablers, they will forsake ALL to continue to rape our country AND THE WORLD IF ALLOWED. The democrats are weak because they actually believe in equality AND THE ABILITY FOR EVERYONE TO SUCCEED they allow themselves to be walked on and demeaned believing in everyone's right to chose. This is why this election is THE MOST IMPORTANT ELECTION IN THIS COUNTRY'S HISTORY. Abraham Lincoln was faced with these same problems, the Civil war was fought for the same reason we face today. The corporate interest (slave owners) want to continue to get wealthy from the labor of the masses, but the majority of our citizens (The Union Army) believe EVERYONE is "free" to pursue a life of LIBERTY AND JUSTICE. WE HAVE TO STOP THE CORPORATE TAKE OVER OF OUR COUNTRY, VOTE DEMOCRATIC TICKET AND GIVE OUR PRESIDENT THE PEOPLE NECESSARY TO DO THE WORK OF THE PEOPLE, NOT THE CORPORATE INTEREST. We need business,but we do not need business to tell us what to buy and when to buy it. We can control the corporate intrest BY OUR POCKETBOOK, use it wisley and we can turn this hate around before it is to late.

This is getting Crazy with all the collapsed comments, what's up with this ??????????????????????????

I understand how biases work. After 80+ years on this planet I have struggled with plenty of my own. What I learned by studying myself and others is ... YOU CAN ONLY TELL THE TRUTH TO THOSE THAT DON'T CARE WHAT IT IS.

At this age I really do not have a dog in this ongoing political fight for dominance. It is clear to me that government in general is not our friend ... but, the fake Republican's views are the pathway to Totalitarianism. Their talk about more freedom is not for the average American, but for the RULING CLASS that support guys like Romney and his gang that have their noses so far up guys like the Koch brothers' asses the siblings save money on toilet paper.

I began as a conservative and remain a Fiscal Conservative. The problem is, where are they today? There are none. I voted for the greatest modern era president, Dwight Eisenhower. Later I voted for Reagan based on lack of leadership by Carter. That is when I learned how terminally stupid "Trickle Down economics" was and was tagged by Bush 1 as Voodoo economics, and from then on the true conservatism and a bent towards personal liberty exited the Republican Party.

They keep saying the Left taxes and spends and that has a lot of truth to it, ... but, what the Right does is even worse, they spend and are then forced to raise taxes, mostly on those that can least afford them, to cover their crappy ideas. That is where we are today. The Cheney / Bush 8 years in the White House along with control of congress and the Supreme Court has been the worst American disaster.

I'm not here to throw lilies at the Democrtas but the Right has become so ANTI AMERICAN, even to the point of Voter Suppression, they should be replaced from top to bottom.

Where are the modern day Eisenhower Conservatives and the Roosevelt Liberals?

Where are the modern day Eisenhower Conservatives and the Roosevelt Liberals?

I wish I knew...

Obama never said anything about jailing people

jared-another Fox lie.

Turn off Fox news and pick up a paper. geez. Your post rates right up there with the death panels that were never there.

There is nothing in the ACA about jailing people if they cannot pay. This is just one more of the lies that has been spread about it-The strong liberals in congress said they would never sign on to the mandate portion unless there were no teeth to it-Like Romney and the Republicans ever wanted to do anything but privatize Social Security and Medicare. They need you to believe they are broken first so they can "fix" them.

Liar. Under Obamas original plan they could have deducted what they owed from any future income tax refunds but were never threatened with jail.

Jared......prove it!

That is an absolute lie!! You are full of crap!

there is a jailing yes....

those who do not get insurance will be fined on their tax returns. in other words, IF they had ANY money comeing back, that fine (basically the amount of the return and then some) would be taken by the government. IF you do not pay THAT fine, then YES legally YOU can be arrested, to having your privilages such as driving to that job taken from you. what ever the IRS, and the government feel is an appropiate measure to MAKE you pay the balance of that FINE if your retuns did not cover it.

let me ask some of you something..... if you break a law, (this is what the HCR is/will be, a LAW), unless you are now an illegal immigrant, what happens? you pay a fine and if jail time required you serve it, (unless you are an illegal immigrant, under current law). IF you can not pay your fine, what does the government do? well? lets hear from all of you what the government does to people who can not pay a fine....

have to LOVE how when you point out a flaw in the NObama minded way of thinking, the post gets collapsed, lmao!!!! when you figure out that collapsing a post will not save "the prince the cant", elections will be over, your prince will be on the fairy train to his riches. he doesnt care about the American people, just being king... washed up leader that never was nothing more than a community organiser, and such a shame to his subjects.

i can understand the collapsing posts too... i mean who wants the truth slammed in their faces repeatedly, like a dog that pinched one off on the brand new living room wood flooring?

What's your source, jaredharvey????

Quit making things up.

you're right NaughtyMossy as soon as you say anything about king obama they collapse the post talk about trampling freedom of speech just because they don't like the truth.The truth is what you said he wanted to fine people and if they didn't pay you got jail time or license revoked or income taxes taken.If any states refused to accept obamacare he would cut them off financially from any public health care(why does he have to threaten people I thought he worked for the people.).For all the people who didn't like my first post instead of asking me to look it up for you (because I'm not going to work for you for free)type obama and supreme court and start reading facts from the court and not what obama told you.Why did he not allow cameras to video the preceedings?I vote mostly democrat but this year I'm voting republican accross the board because I am tired of king obama trying to force stuff on us instead of making comprimises with a republican house and democrat congress instead of telling people he is going to veto anything they try against obamacare.He will even veto democratic changes boy what does that tell you about his people skills(no mommy I want this you can't tell me no, poor obama.)Sounds like he is the one not working with congress and the house not the other way around talk about a spineless whinebag go cry to your muslim daddy obama.

culheath, you're right he didn't say directly he would put people in jail he said he would make it a CRIME.you tell me what a crime is in your definition because according to police a criminal is someone who has broken the law and now faces fines and/or imprisonment.

How would you get the House and Senate to buy into your proposals?

my drain

It will be hard to change the parameters on Medicare but you are right about reforming existing law.

The health care industry as tried to address this issue- Medicare Bureaucracy has been confusing and there is a lot of duplication with the current regulations. doctors have argued simplifying Medicare and its forms will reduce a lot of cost and more doctors would accept medicare if the rules were simple and easy to understand

Drain,

I agree with you to a large extent, but the government is a bureaucracy just like the health insurance companies. What about following your logic on those under 65 paying a monthly premium, but instead of paying into a medicare program, they pay it directly to their local health care provider, hospital, or health network. No insurance companies involved, and no politicians in charge of writing the rules on what and how much money gets spent where. I would much rather my employer pay their part of my premiums directly to the hospital network that my doctor and the closest hospital are both a part of. If I have an emergency, I would likely be taken there anyways, but in the case of preventative care and regular check-ups, my premiums would go to the doctor that actually provides that service and not be shuffled through the greedy hands of a giant bureaucracy first. The government could subsidize unpaid medical debts, and the hospitals could charge a 5-7% handling fee for bill collections and a small profit. Prescription coverage would have to be dealt with, but prescriptions could also be bought through the hospital networks. It would be equivalent to a credit program, where the credit builds over the years you pay in and that credit is used to cover your medical expenses. Much like medicare was originally designed to be. Any thoughts? What am I missing here? There is always something that is overlooked.

I agree. This means getting rid of the insurance companies. They know that. That's why they support Romney. If our government dealt with the drug companies like Canada does (meaning THEY negotiate the prices instead of insurance companies), we could have the drugs at the same price they do. If the drugs were sold at the price other nations pay, we would not need prescription drug coverage, for the most part.

Medicare provides its services for only about 2-3% of the premium money. Blue Cross Blue Shield of Minnesota is like most insurance companies who by Minnesota law, can grab 20% of the premiums for their own. This shows how our Medicare system is profoundly more efficient than the insurance companies. Anyone who thinks Medicare isn't as efficient as the insurance companies does not realize this.

Romney Ryan tax plans...Pretty simple Kill Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, and privatize for their rich friends driving up healthcare costs and trying to force you to invest in Wallstreet where Romney and Ryan will deregulate even more to take the rest of your money they didn't get the first time. Ryan Romney want to privatize the Post Office because repubs force P.O. to over fund their pension plan out 75 years just to deliberately defund P.O. This will crash service and many towns will have no service or extreme higher costs via UPS or FED EX.

Ryan Romney plans incease tax breaks for the rich and cut food stamps to starving children and families, cut benefits to Vets, and increase taxes on middle class and poor by up to $2000 to pay for their tax breaks!!!

Ryan voted for every deficit raising plan of Bush. Romney lies about his taxes saying he worked at Bain for years now caught with documents saying HE WAS, he lies saying he wasn't. Both want to end capital gains tax for the rich, many rich don't pay taxes at all due to tax loop holes they create.

Ryan and Romney both push war on women and their healthcare see www.womenarewatching.org site for info.

President Obama and Team America killed Bin Laden together. Romney said he would not go after Bin Laden because it is too expensive. Romney values money more than taking out terrorists! $$$$$$$$$$$$$

Romney refuses to share his tax info because not showing is better than showing he paid no taxes , showing how he hides money offshore and got caught under swiss bank amnesty plan several years ago. More offshore accounts popping up, more explaining to do as now he was caught lying on Luxembourg offshore account documents signing them saying he worked at Bain, and now says that document date he signed saying he worked at Bain was false!!! . Romney/Ryan for a worse tomorrow today.

Vote President Obama/Biden and Democratic Team America!!!

As long as medical and insurance is a for profit services the price of these will keep going up and they will fight any efforts to regulate these services, now what party is for NO regulation. That tells you who is lying!

Mary-364630...would rather have Bin Laden alive!

Mary do your know that the house is suppose to do the economy and not the President in which they have block everything he try to do. Obama/Biden 2012