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Updated 1:24 p.m. - August has seen the presidential contest devolve into a protracted type of trench warfare between Democratic incumbent Barack Obama and Republican challenger Mitt Romney, as each campaign trades countervailing – and increasingly negative – blows with the other.
The high-minded aspirations associated with Wisconsin Rep. Paul Ryan’s addition to the Republican ticket have all but vanished in the handful of days since Romney named him as running mate. Daily sniping and low blows have now pervaded the 2012 campaign.
Evan Vucci / AP
Mitt Romney arrives at his headquarters, Friday, Aug. 17, 2012, in Boston.
“If the other guy's throwing punches, you've got to throw punches right back,” said Craig T. Smith, a former White House political director for Bill Clinton, who likened the millions spent on ads by both campaigns to a Cold War arms race.
A Republican official familiar with the party’s general election strategy offered a similar assessment: “If we weren't throwing punch for punch, then the story would be whether we're up for the task.”
The past week alone has seen the president of the United States joke about an instance in which Romney strapped the family dog to the roof of his car during a road trip. And Vice President Joe Biden told a mixed-race audience that Republicans, along with Wall Street, would “put y’all back in chains.”
Romney responded by accusing the president of “division and attack and hatred.” The presumptive Republican nominee’s allies at the Republican National Committee released a video taking the president to task for abandoning the mantle of hope-and-change on which he ran in 2008.
Moreover, the two campaigns have tangled lately over Romney's charge that Obama has gutted welfare's work requirement, and a pro-Obama super PAC's ad essentially tying Romney to a woman's death from cancer. And this morning, each campaign's manager traded open letters as stagecraft, demanding that Romney release more tax returns.
Summertime during presidential campaigns doesn’t have a particularly proud tradition of being constructive, but this year’s negativity nonetheless reflects some emerging political realities.
“Neither side is going to say that out loud, but the idea is to keep independent-minded people from turning out because they're just so disgusted about the process,” said David Mark, the editor of the website Politix, who wrote a book on the purpose and effectiveness of negative campaigning. “Both sides seemed to reach a conclusion that there aren't that many more independent voters, so they're focused on turning out their base.”
That helps explain why Romney’s selection of Ryan has done little to shift the polls or the arc of the campaign. The pick was directed more toward exciting conservatives than it was about winning over independents.
"Meet the Press" moderator David Gregory and the Washington Post's Eugene Robinson join a conversation on how the tone of the 2012 presidential campaign has shifted to more personal attacks and how both parties have spent $500M in campaign ad spending.
It did add a new element to the campaign, though, by putting the most controversial elements of the Wisconsin congressman's budgets – particularly the Medicare reforms – into the center of the election. But even still, discussion of the imperiled entitlement program this past week has focused more on each campaign attacking the other's position than offering up any affirmative solution.
Republican pollster Whit Ayres disagrees that the election will become one in which each side must focus on turning out its own supporters; the perception that the race is competitive, and that the stakes are high, will drive these prized voters to the polls.
But, he argued, enthusiasm is on the Republicans’ side, and that was only bolstered by Romney’s selection of Ryan.
“It didn’t take a stunningly insightful person and look at Mitt Romney standing in front of the USS Wisconsin and seeing he was relaxed and more confident,” Ayres said of last weekend’s introductory event. “Those are intangibles that can be important in an election this close.”
Mark McKinnon, a former strategist to President George W. Bush, argued that turnout would go down as a result of the negativity, which “could hurt Obama more.”
But Democrats argue that Republicans’ more aggressive engagement may well come too late, given all the efforts by the Obama campaign to define their opponent.
“They should have had this posture in May. Now they're trying to unring a bell,” said Democratic strategist Jamal Simmons.
David Gregory, host of NBC's "Meet the Press," speaks with TODAY's Savannah Guthrie about the ongoing inquisition into Mitt Romney's financials and whether or not his running mate, Paul Ryan, has helped the GOP ticket.
But they’re also excited that Ryan’s joining of the Republican ticket has added Medicare, an issue on which Democrats traditionally enjoy an advantage, to the national campaign.
“The Republican argument that the Democratic president is trying to harm Medicare would be like Democrats arguing that a Republican president is trying to harm the military,” said Simmons. “To be able to convince people of that, you have to be wielding a pretty convincing dagger.”
Past Augusts have not been kind to Obama, who saw his popularity flirt with record lows during the debt ceiling debate last summer, and during the vocal 2009 protests against his health care reform proposals.
August is also a month that has seen candidates like John McCain and John Kerry struggle to hit their stride. To that end, Romney has weathered months of tough criticism this summer, most of which was driven by the Obama campaign.
Neither Obama nor Romney have any interest in suffering the dog days of summer, and have sought to seize control of the month's news cycle. And that's why both have fought intensely — and more negatively — in recent weeks.
“We're in the part of the campaign where we need to make sure we're getting the reality out there,” said the Republican official. “From our perspective, we're pointing out the tactics the president has been using. “
The goal, for both sides, may be to simply survive. This thinking dictates that if a candidate can make it to their convention without suffering critical blows, they will be in position to reposture themselves before the heat of the fall campaign.
But, said Smith, “At the rate they're going, the question is how many swing voters are left at the end. “
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A very wise man once said; "Politics is a contact sport"!
I would suggest those who are thin skinned like
Ann Romneythe pampered Princess either toughen up or GO HOME and ride her dancing horse!In all my years of following politics... I have NEVER seen a potential First Lady whine the way this one does!
PS: Anyone know why Willard's BOLD choice of Ryan hasn't given him a bump in the polls? lol
Excuse me?...
Since when is lying 'taking the high road'?
I'm sending her a cheese basket to go along with her whine!
It has given them a bump in the polls. Try using that thing in front of you for research rather than just stroking 0bama's ego.
The weather forecast is out. The GOP dust storm is moving in and will meet up with the Dem rain storm over the continental USA. Forecast for the next few weeks is MUDSTORMS!
Yeppers .... so confident and relaxed that he introduced his running MATE as the next President of the United States. Nice reporting there!
Fiesty, Who judged him wise? What do you call whining? Michelle's saying this was the first time she was proud to be an american sound like she not complaining about anything?
Maybe the polls have something to do with who is doing them. I am not much for polls until late October. They may be good for the candidates to judge their strategies, but nothing else at this point. For example, there are polls that show Romney gaining in the swing states since announcing Ryan as his running mate. I'll pretty much ignore the polls until when it counts.
Fisty, again in some serious denial.
How about that $20M taxpayer loan to Biden's friend and Obama doner? For creating jobs in the Ukraine! Wow, the outsourcer in chief with MY money!
Ok, hypocrites, spin...
LOL
Ryan a bold choice? He is a mindless drone. His budget is a pitiful rehash of the worst of trickle-down economics. He REALLY DOES want to DESTROY Medicare and Social Security, two of the MOST EFFECTIVE PROGRAMS EVER, and replace them with watered-down corporate give-aways. He DOUBLES DOWN on the FAILED concept of GIVING MORE TO THE RICH to help the middle class.
Ryan is a pathetic CORPORATE SHILL. I am from Wisconsin and have had my BELLY FULL of this DISGUSTING EMPTY SUIT!
Willard is a typical schoolyard bully in which he sure can dish it out but he can't take it. Time to either put on your big boy pants Willard or go home.
Red, someone who's handle is "REDSOXRULE" shouldn't be using the word denial. Have they climbed out of the cellar yet, or broken .500? Didn't think so.
I think we can all agree that no matter what happens in November- none of us ever want to see Joe Biden as the leader of the free world. I cringe to think that he'd walk into a room with Angela Merkel and say, "How are they hanging, sizzle titz?"
you hear the latest:
hillary said no!!!!!!!! obama wanted to dump joe! lmao
if you guys had any brains you would try to get hillary nominated for president at the convention.
I have a question for Feisty and the other ladies of FR. Am I not mistaken, or does Mitt Romney have an ugly a$$? I mean, look at the top picture. Flat as an ironing board. Now, I'm no expert on men's bums, as I prefer the other sex, but i've been around enough ladies in my life to know what they like.
I agree 1000% regarding Ann Romney.
Her sence of entitlement attutude is as bad if not worse then Mitt Wits.
Well, you could consider me to be a connoisseur... lol
Let me just say, Willard's man "jeans" are as empty as his rhetoric! ☺
Elliot, the libbys are hypocrites. There is nothing you can do to change that.
Fisty, I hear Romney has a huge penis. Almost as big as Michelle's. Does that change your vote? LMAO
I don't know about his backside but his little baby steps he takes as he walks drives me crazy.
Pull the stick out of your butt Mitt and walk like a man!
RedSoxRule
Go to Reuters and do some reading then spend some time absorbing what you have read about this fantasy. Wisdom does not care who absorbs it.
I live out West and I love my rodeo ... let's just say Mitt can't wear Wranglers!
And yeppers, his rear is as flat as his tone. Also, I don't know where on earth the attractive comment is coming about Ryan ... he's scary Ken!
redsox how can you say that with a straight face or did you do it just for a reaction?
Am I not mistaken, or does Mitt Romney have an ugly a$$?
Tony..............
Which "a$$" are you referring to? Is it the one inside his pants or the one on his shoulders?
RedSoxRule.
No, we have a GOOD CANDIDATE for 2012. Obama will wipe the floor with the two empty suits that the GOP nominated.
THEN we get to have Hillary in 2016 and 2020.
She will CERTAINLY beat the GOP Candidate that I hear is going to be someone with more SUBSTANCE that Mittens/Pauly-Wally;
The GOP is planning to nominate Kim Kardashian...
Clean up on Feisty's computer! LMAO!
So true RedSoxRule, but is sure is entertaining to watch them go into fits and circle their wagons around 0bama.
Sorry Joey - the definition of cringe is having the poor, defenseless, victim Ann as a First Lady. The only first that belongs in front of her is First Class Whiner (that is being kind).
elliott 3020456: "Every day MSNBC spends time spreading hatred for anyone who doesn't support gay mirage while other networks are reporting news."
Hey, if it's any comfort, I don't even support straight "mirage"s. In fact, I hate optical illusions of any kind.
tonybeerm: Sorry, but when I look at that picture, I can't get past wondering why a guy with that much money can't afford better luggage!
Mrriggs....I'm with you on the mincing steps Romney uses, drives me nuts too.
No one would call ol' Willard a fashion plate, easy on the eyes he is not.
If it walks like a dork and talks like a dork then it must be Willard the Ducker.
Another Beavis and Dumbfux moment from Feisty ....
And this compares to an actual self-absorbed FLOTUS watching the Color Gaurd at the 9/11 ceremony "whining" (putting it nicely) ..... "All this for a damn flag."
And then we had Mrs. Mitt follow up with a Brewer style 'finger in your face' poutrage, screaming on national TV that she is the ultimate victim. Nothing relaxed and confident with that ugly, world-wide display, of white trash America. Queen Ann should quickly make a therapy appointment with her fancy-prancy-horsie-dancer to explore her inner-victim hood.
Let me clarify. Mitt Romney IS an ugly A$$!
And a pompous one to boot!
But fuzzy, he has a large penis. Almost as large as Michelle's.
You guys have no sense of humor to go along with your lack of ethics. Why else would you collapse my post?
[And this compares to an actual self-absorbed FLOTUS watching the Color Gaurd at the 9/11 ceremony "whining" (putting it nicely) ..... "All this for a damn flag."]
Oh look...b0b the lip reader is lying again...when you have nothing left, you fill the room with lies and innuendo. I know you are frustrated, with nobody listening to you whine and all.
Congrats... you, too have slipped into irrevelance. So head back on over to FoxNation and The Blaze with RedSuxRulz-Raab for some comforting...they have a warm seat all ready and waiting for you.
Oh, and take your ideological and emotional baggage with you, crybaby.
Hey,fuzzy44, what an extremely mature, intelligent, comment. I'll bet that your friends out there on the 6th grade playground will get some real yucks over your subtle sarcasm.....truly brilliant!
Oh, by the way, in reality, Romney is one good looking sob!
you're correct spider####,
about the s.o.b. part.............
redsuxrule What's with your fascination with Rmoney"s penis? You keep talking about it. Do you wish you were Ann?
"If you don't have any fresh ideas, then you use stale tactics to scare voters. If you don't have a record to run on, then you paint your opponent as someone people should run from. You make a big election about small things."
- Barack Obama, 2008
This is Obama's (Saul Alinsky's - Rules for Radicals) playbook. As designed in his and his thug campaign's pathetic attempt to push their devisive, class warfare, hate filled, desperate, gutter campaign.
Mickey -
Anybody can Youtube it and decide for themselves ... funny that you didn't deny that she said it, huh?
Or maybe Michele is a Klingon warbride and was speaking in her native language ... who knows right?
bob What does your wife look like? I could just imagine.
Swedish ... beautiful blond.
Thanks for asking.
Talking about butts, Odumbo has an extra one on his shoulders. With two butts, he can spew out more lies and bullsh_t than any other politician I have ever seen/heard!
We all watched the potential Republican nominees throw mud at each other for 3, 4, 6 months or longer and now Romney wants to whine that Obama is not "playing nice". What a phucking boob Romney is. Lying sack of diarhea mouth.
Show us your taxes otherwise you are a tax cheat, plain and simple, period, end of story.
bonebreaker Who is Odumbo? If your dad heard you talk about him like that he would spank you. Show respect!
There you have it, a democratic stratagist admitting that the D's started the mud-slinging and they're happy that the R's waited so long to to be lured down to their level!
You teabaggers would be the stupid ones to elect a man that would put your daughter in jail for murder if she didn't want to have the baby by your brother who raped her.
Silly teabags go back to FUX NOISE
Feisty camping npc articles all day every day... What exactly do you do in life that you can sit here all day trolling these blogs? No wonder you are a fan of entitlement programs. You want hard working people to give you their money because you clearly aren't contributing to the economic growth of this country.
You will rationalize anything to fit your ideology. If Romney allowed commercials as low class as Obama, you'd be fighting tooth and nail over it instead of calling it a contact sport.
This is what's broken with American politics. The two parties aren't even pretending to be interested in what the majority of the country, the moderates, care about. They are both pandering to the wackos of the far left and far right leaving the average working middle class Joe with no representation whatsoever. I'm am so SICK of it all. Here's a thought, how about a canidate present a well organized and reasoned plan for what he hopes to accomplish in office and let the public decide who has the best vision for our country instead of slinging personal insults and cheap shots!
Republican or Democrat, there is no difference. Abolish the 2 party system now!
[Anybody can Youtube it and decide for themselves ...]
b0b, stop with the 30 second snippets from youtube. To dumb it down for you FURTHER, there is simply NO PROOF she said that. You've been spreading this falsehood around for months, and each time you get called out on it, but you continue to attempt to slip it by.
You believe what you want to believe, but stop beating a dead horse by spreading outright falsehoods and grow up.
[... funny that you didn't deny that she said it, huh?]
Another well thought out comment, I see...
psst...b0b, I'm glad you find it "funny", because I don't. There's simply nothing to deny...I can't dumb it down any more for you.
At best, the youtube snippets are inconclusive. Meaning: THERE IS NO PROOF. If you want to chase conspiracy theories and non-troversies, be my guest, but as far as most sane people are concerned, it's a dead issue.
Has anyone else noticed the razor thin wires attached to Romney's mouth? I wonder who's at the other end of those wires??
That must be the reason for Romney's monotone delivery regarding anything he says. A marionette only performs as those that manipulate the wires.
Politics has nothing on the trash spewn on this website. Obama promised to unite this Country and no one can name one thing he has done to accomplish that. Instead, he has pushed to divide us by the alleged war on women, rich people are bad, business is bad, Republicans are bad, coal is bad, entrepreneurs are bad.
But, here is what Obama claims is good
Gay marriage but remember he was once against it
Raising taxes
More government
Ignore the world around us and cut the military more than even your Defense Secretary suggests
Government should tell religious institutions what to do despite their moral objections
Poverty at an all time high
Welfare at an all time high
Unemployment still too high
Foreclosure still an issue
Get the idea? How's that Hope and Change working for you America?
If obama would unseal the records he spent millions to have sealed I bet Romney would show his tax returns for the last 10 years.
geterright
I don't think you have it right at all.
1. Gay Marriage - the right thing to do and won't be decided by who is president.
2. Raise Taxes - Only on those who are over 250K. Maybe he wants to stop the redistribution of wealth from the lower/middle class to the rich?
3. LESS government.
4. Ending the war BUSH got us into the first place.
5. You mean religious institutions telling the GOVERNMENT what is moral and not moral.
6. Poverty was higher during the great depression. See #7 too
7. Welfare is higher, but when you have to fix the failed economic policies for the last 12 years, what do you expect.
8. Unemployment was higher in the depression. See #7 too.
9. Foreclosure will take a lot longer to resolve then 3.5 years.
Hope and change is working great for me. My 401k has never been better
Funny. I cant recall a single Political Race that actually fought over the issues instead of trashing the other opponent in years!
RHS Fiesty. You embarrass every American with your continuous hate spewing speechs that you write on here.
Go pick up a carton of Midol, some free (Tax Payer paid for) birth control and shut up already.
Of course the President is on the high road. Romney and Ryan don't even know where it is. If they ever get on it, like all republicans before them, they will both stumble, and fall off. Let us be content to allow these 2 blowhards to continue their low road trek in search of their destination, this place called "NOWHERE".
Here is why I am voting for Romney!
1) We need to get rid of socialism in this country! Romney will do it in a way that protects Tri-care for our brave troops, my Medicare - I'm 56, my Social Security, and my farm subsidies - which I need or my farm wouldn't make a profit and that is unfair. So, let's protect all of these things we need from Democrats who want to take these things away from us to give us Obamacare and other Socialist policies.
2) There is too much government regulation. We need to unleash the markets, and put an end to all abortions, homosexuality of any kind and stop the spread of mosques all over this country! Less government will help us accomplish this.
3) A smaller welfare state. As a Christian it is not my responsibilty to care for the sick, poor or hungry, so we should stop spending almost 5% of our budget on care for the poor. They have it too good in this country. Besides, Jesus never said 'Blessed are the poor' or 'I am my brother's keeper' - there is nothing about being a Christian that says I have to give my money to some lazy poor elderly woman in a wheelchair or child who has loser drug addict parents to help them have shelter or food.
I think that these points alone should show you why Romney is the choice for 2012, Thanks!
Yes, don't forget your trench coat, warriors.
As Sir. Winston Churchill once said,
Politics is almost as exciting as war, and quite as dangerous. In war you can only be killed once, but in politics [you can be killed] many times.
like all of the other faux outrage that manufactures within the confines of the small spaces where brains should be in the skulls of rightwingers:
Michelle Obama said, "for the first time in my adult life I am proud of my country because it feels like hope is finally making a comeback." and then she later said, ""For the first time in my adult lifetime, I’m really proud of my country, and not just because Barack has done well, but because I think people are hungry for change."
Of course, and I know this continues to STUMP the non critical thinkers this was stated in the CONTEXT of grassroots involvement!
But the fact that you feel the need to bring it up now just proves that you know Annie Entitled is a whiny beatch and you can't find it in yourself to defend HER bitching and moaning about "unfairness" - so you go to your basal instincts of defaming Michelle - It must be a comfort zone thing.
At any rate, the President and his lovely wife have maintained a POSITIVE disposition in spite of the fact that the knuckledraggers would have us believe they are angry. I don't know what photos you people look at every day; but the only anger I see is the finger wagging from Annie, and the completely grumpy looks on your candidates faces. Not flattering; but thoroughly understandable as they see the possibility of White House dreams slip through their well greased palms.
R&R wins in a LANDSLIDE!! Mark my words, write it on your foreheads! truetexan is calling for a LANDSLIDE win for R&R!!
I just hope you democRATS LEAVE this country when it happens!
@ Fisty (aka Jen Psaki)
Always the first to post on breaking news…..could you be any more of a paid Obama troll? Your have nothing to contribute but biased, bigoted, childlike and hateful opinions. Let’s talk about jobs, the economy, our awful healthcare system….if you can?
I suspect your delusional thought process cannot handle actually talking about the real problems at hand, just divide, hate and distract…..typical liberal. If your dear leader was so great why has he been campaigning for months while the country continues to wither into oblivion?
SRS-798254 if Ryan is a mindless drone, what does that make Obama and the Democrats who haven't come up with a budget in years? Calling Ryan a mindless drone is particularly ironic coming from people like you who can't think beyond your own government handout!
NBC, et al -- Please stop with the false equivalency.
Everyone knows Romney's Carpet Bombing record, everyone remembers the Swift-boating of John Kerry, everyone knows President Obama MUST counter-punch, but even in so doing he keeps the criticism about policy -- And that includes Romney's tax returns vis-a-vis a Romney/Ryan tax policy that favors 1%ers like them.
Romney/Ryan, the Disastrous Duo -- No comparison!
Don't you mean our 401k? You wouldn't want to be called out for not sharing your good fortune.
hypocrisy1776,
What a great outline to why you should vote for Rmoney......I just love dry humor. I'm sure some of the low information types will even vote you up thinking you're serious.
I ma not going to bother reading anymore of you peoples trash talk. You are more intersted in BS between yourselves than what this election is about. Get a grip stupids. Nothing in the comments above is of any value to anyone. It reads like a bunch of 3rd graders agruing at resess over who daddy can whip the others. No wonder this country is going to the sewers year after year election after election. It is people just like you all who don't focus on facts. Done' take the time to look beyond a party liune and continue to place poor candidates in office. I am glad that I may only have 20 or so more years to live so I don't have to see this imature type of rehtoric anymore. Your all a bunch of fools and you all deserve what you get.
Romney and Ryan 2012
@truetexan#1.62: I did it! I got me a sheet of paper and pen then wrote in big letters. I did "truetexan. After admiring my work some I carefully laid It on my desk, meaning to oin It on the post board. Well hell, "truetexan" there's a big office Tomcat here in our office. Everyone's pet. Names "Beauregard ". Big orange sum-bitch. Well, "truetexan" before I could retrieve my paper with your "marked words" on it "Beauregard" had pissed all over it. I had to find a dry corner edge and throw your "marked words" into the waste basket. I did scold Beauregard some, but I don't think He gave much of a damn. I swear, It looked like He smiled when I threw it in the trash. While I do apologize for Beauregard, I think that gwaddamned Tomcat knows something you don't.
ACountryHeadedTowardsAWall.
That is an interesting perspective on Feisty, however I tend to disagree, I think what you are having a problem with is how to handle the truth. You have never caught her in a lie, you just complain about the way she delivers the truth.
She is telling the truth, like or not its tough to be you.
Romney and Ryan 2012? They deserve each other; nothing could have revealed Mitt's hand like picking this guy. And I don't mind the rough stuff: politics is a contact sport. What I despise are the lies, and so far they're coming from Romney and Ryan 2012. (Most recently, Ryan said he never asked for any stimulus $ for his state; four letters produced showing he requested and received $20 million stimulus - barf.) So it's easy for Mittens to say he never paid less than 13% tax when he's sure no one will ever find out what he paid cuz he ain't talkin'.
Marklepew, he had me to the very end, I was set to mark it as no value when the thought occured to me that a real Robmehood/Ruin fan would never be that close to the truth. They would have to spin shafting the middle class some way.
Another republican DOG they have let out it's cage!!
OBAMA/BIDEN/HOLDER....2012!!!!
You sound pretty sure! Let me take a page from Willard's Play Book and invite you to bet:
Sports Books in the UK will take action on American elections. You can check out Intrade DOT com, or look up the William Hill sports book.
This morning, you're boy Willard was a 43.7/56.3 underdog.
That would mean that for each $100 you're willing to risk, you'd win $153.30, (You put up $100 and get back $256.30)
For anyone wishing to bet on The President, you'd have to put at risk $143.70 to win $100.
Truetexan, we'll all look forward to reading your insightful comments on Wednesday, November 7th, under your new screen name.
The thing I have found most disturbing during this campaign is the media both print and broadcast have not been pointing out the blatant lies coming from the Romney campaign... Every fact checking source in the world has shown again and again that almost 100% of the advertising and public statements made by Romney and his Super Pac supporters are outright lies………..
This is unprecedented in my lifetime witnessing a major political party depending on a flood of lies to win an election. Sure politicians lie but the Republican Party has elevated lying to an art form.
This is a very dangerous period in American history because we the people deserve the truth from those wishing to be our representatives and the media should act like a watch dog protecting the truth.
Apparently instead of being the watch dogs they used to be those in charge of the media groups feel that ratings are more important than the truth. I never thought I ever would agree with Sarah Palin but maybe we should all start calling the “Main Stream Media” the “Lame Stream Media” ……….
I don't give 2 sh!ts if Willard paid 13% or 1% in taxes, as I'm sure he has enough high-paid lawyers and accountants to make sure he paid exactly what was "legal".
The issue that I'm concerned about was weather or not he took advantage of the "amnesty" on foreign accounts offered in 2009.
It certainly would make him "legal" on his taxes,but would also show him as a tax cheat and a criminal even though he fessed up.
I also realise that its the American way to avoid paying as much taxes as you can, but.....I don't feel he could earn my vote unless he clears up this mess by comming clean with the American people as I just don't trust him after the fiasco with his Utah/Mass. taxes.
I don't believe he ever should have been allowed to run for Gov. of Mass.
Why does he harp on Obama's record when he won't allow us to consider his?
Haha how did I know Feisty Redhead would be the first to comment.
Does the government give you extra food stamps for your extreme leftest views, or do they just provide low-income housing while you sit on your @ss all day collecting welfare checks?
LOL: What is really amusing here is that all the posters on this site, excluding those with thoughtful commentary, seriously believe that their snarky, convoluted, brain dead, fkd up opinions will make a difference....
Feisty Redhead Roselle, IL- must be one of those Obama aid bitches as she seems to be the first post on over 90% of the articles that I have read. Must be nice to sit in the Obama headquarters spewing crap.
Is that his new work for welfare qualifications perhaps?
RedSoxRule..........4th place! Now if you had chosen "Yankees", that might have lended some credibility to the intelligence of your choice and posts.
Bob-2711464
Haha how did I know Feisty Redhead would be the first to comment
.........Perhaps because you're a little too slow to do so?
bob-1805084
Swedish ... beautiful blond.
..........Obviously deaf, dumb and blind as well!.
Fiesty
Congratulations, you have a huge following. Could it be your thoughtful comments or just your belittling Obama's opponent? I think it's the latter. Keep up the good comments as they're amusing.
Smitty - Notice how when you pointed out RedSoxRule's obsession with Romney's penis, he went away? Either you hit a nerve or he just gets too worked up when he talks about it.
Bob: @ 1.78: Feisty(Fishy) I believe works for NBC and gets an advance copy of the Article and notice as to when it is coming out. How else can she grab first place with the length of her crap beating out the guy who just wants to put on a one liner. Have you noticed that NBC and its affiliates restore her BS far more than anyone else despite that it is often meaningless barely comprehensible crap. Wonder why? She is nothing but a hit man for NBC.
I also believe she has multiple web sites so she can "Robo-vote" for herself. At my place I can have 14 web sites, without blinking an eye. A computer engineer could give me as many more as I want. I do not vote for myself, and have not set myself up to do so as I think it is grossly unethical. But I do not believe that either Fishy or NBC are ethical. (i.e. NBC was forced to admit that it deliberately snipped out a crucial portion of Zimmerman's 911 call. The effect was to change the content and portray Zimmerman as a racist) No one can possibly get as many votes as she does for her drunken, inane comments.
No Bob, I don't think the Fishy is on welfare. I think she is employed by NBC, frequents red-neck bars and spews out only the junk she wants to hear, without a damn as to it's source or truthfulness. BTW: I've been here for a long time and cannot remember if Fishy has ever quote a source for her mouth.
If Obama could just run on his record and the issues he would not need to get this dirty. BUT, this is Obama. When you go back and look at all of the other campaigns he has run, he always has to make the other person MORE distastful then him self.
Obama/Biden 2012 - Keeping Americas Failure Moving FORWARD
Obama/Biden 2012 - Keeping Americas GREATNESS Moving FORWARD!
It will be nice to have a man with integrity and honor in the White House again.
November can't come fast enough.
Romney/Ryan
The only choice for America.
Ryan/Romney 2012 - RELEASE THE CORPORATE SHACKLES!
I like the Daily Show where they used the exact same text as both the Republican and Democratic ads for the Ryan/Romney ticket. It just shows what a pathetic choice Ryan was and how the Republicans call it mudslinging when the Democrats quote the Republicans own words.
PS: WHERE ARE THE TAX RETURNS, YOU DISGUSTING TAX CHEAT!
@rukidding.....are the nominating Jon Huntsman?
John Huntsman had ONE OUNCE of integrity.
No wonder why he didn't do well with the brainwashed GOP minions...
Nobody makes anyone look bad without their permission.
Willard and Pauli are of their own making and only they can change that.
In baseball terms a Mitt is something that is supposed to catch things that are pitched their way. If you don't handle them correctly you have commited a passed ball. In other words it is an error.
If Romney thinks that not releasing his tax returns for the last five years is something that the voters are not interested in he should look at the polls that say over 60% of the voters are interested in what's in them.
I guess he would rather be guilty of a passed ball rather than handling the pitch correctly.
Romney swipes at Obama's foreign policies. Funny that coming from the mouth of a Massachusetts governor who's state is where the terrorist boarded aircraft from Boston Logan Airport during 9/11 and the destructive results caused national security to change it's airport screening policies... especially at Boston Logan. Mr. Romney failed to have any insight and state protective measures against unknown foreigners from boarding US aircraft. Is Boston Logan state run or private, doesn't matter, the state of Massachusetts should of had stricter boarding policies before 9/11.
Romney/Ryan Crooks and Liars!
Obama/Biden Dumb and Dumber
Releasing Mitt Romneys tax returns would seem like a really good place to start on this quote.
FR:Taking the high road, Romney responded by accusing the president of “division and attack and hatred????
There is no way "MYTH" Romney has taken the high road. I and many Chicagoans do not appreciate "MYTH Romney" calling Chicago corrupt. Romney carpet bombed his primary opponents with negative ads; therefore "MYTH" has no right to whine about negative ads.
FR should never say or imply "MYTH" takes the high road. This a man who has proven to be a gutless liar as well as mean and vicious in his attacks against our President.
4 more years
Obama/Biden 2012
Hahahaha; MITT has integrity??? The guy's lied on every major policy stance, not to mention his arrogant "I don't have to show you my tax returns" attitude. The ONLY Republicans with integrity and honor were Ron Paul and Jon Huntsman, but that automatically disqualified them.
OBAMA BIDEN 2012
Wow! Trench warfare like during WW1.
I can here Mitt now. "Release the
mustardGrey Poupon gas."The GOTP has found out, the hard way, that the President and the VP are not going to going to back down from their feeble attempts to discredit them. They are going to continue to stick it to them.
If Mitt wants to run with the big dogs I suggest he stop whining and get off the porch.
Obama/Biden 2012 "B!tch slapping the GOTP every step of the way".
sonmanvb... unlike Romney, right?
Maybe you should look into into The President's record before bashing it.
HERE HERE! I meant HEAR!
...Because that's all these 2 candidates CAN do is focus on each others negatives because there are really NO positives and you almost have to wonder if Mitt Romney is in the race just to look Obama look better? Hardly anybody likes Romney!
Obama has had his chance, his support of the patriot act and NDAA have proven he is no champion of human rights so it really makes you wonder how we are "championing" human rights around the world (with our billions in aid going to the richest in the poorest countries).
At the end of the day what is the American citizen left to do?
Not vote?
Vote for the lesser of 2 evils? (hard to tell who is the lesser and we have been doing that for a while now)
Vote independent? (but everyone dismisses this route therefore
perpetuating its ineffectiveness)
Revol...
sonmanvb
If Obama could just run on his record and the issues he would not need to get this dirty. BUT, this is Obama. When you go back and look at all of the other campaigns he has run, he always has to make the other person MORE distastful then him self.
It's dolts like you who refuse to believe 0ur P resident has not accomplished anything when you you our President has many accomplishments. Turn off
FOX NEWSFOX LIES. Take a gaze at the click below.http://obamaachievements.org/
Obama/Biden 2012 -
R-money/Ryan the Original "Gangstas"
http://www.newscorpse.com/Pix/Campaign2012/OriginalBankster.jpg
Nobody but President Obama
Obama/Biden 2012
CKSM
Fiesty, Who judged him wise? What do you call whining? Michelle's saying this was the first time she was proud to be an american sound like she not complaining about anything?
What about Queene Ann's whinny, whinny?
Ann Romney: Destigmatizing stay-at-home ‘mom-inaires’
Maybe the polls have something to do with who is doing them.
Yup, especially those skewered Rasmuseen and FOX NOISE Polls.
FYI: FLOTUS was taken out of context.
Man the Rep's cry like baby's when some one fights back. Carl Rove can't seem to get the upper hand on the Dem's this time around. Bushes Brain is getting old and tired. Can't seem to find a something like Gay marriage, or something else like that to divide the country. The President is playing hardball fore sure. They aren't able to call him Obamby this time around. They can't say he is soft on the wars. Hell Obama has done more to kill the Taliban then Little Bush ever did. Obama followed through on getting OBL. I can't even think what would have happened if we had elected McCain and Palin. The great depression would have looked like Disney Land. This President has plenty to run on. He just isn't going to let the Rep's get the jump on him. Get in front and stay there President Obama. Romney is going to have more money to spend, Just stay smarter and beat him with what you have. A lot of us are still hurting and can't not support you with money this time around, but rest easy, we will be there with our votes.
Hey Fiesty, So you want to belittle Ann Romney by calling her a pampered princess. At least she does not go on the Tonight Show and criticize Gabby Douglas because she ate an Egg McMuffin after her Olympic events were over like Michelle Obama did.
Bill ... do you ever research ANYTHING on your own???
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/14/gabby-douglas-michelle-obama-leno_n_1774733.html
They were together on the show and joking about it! I did notice all of the RW/Con sites are all fired up and it. Find something else to spew your crap about. You can have your angry little Annie ...
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/15/ann-romney-tax-returns_n_1778376.html
Lush I love that name. Lush and druggie as well. I can't see why so many people follow him. Hes high on the radio most of the time. He slurs his words, or is that just because he is so fat his tong is in the way. Good one.
Yep, the campaign sure is in the "trenches".
Mudslinging is all the Democratic Party and surrogates know at this point. Sometimes it would be nice to reach into the T.V. screen and administer a couple of slaps to wake them up.
Heck, even the President of the United States doesn't know how many States are in the United States (57, 58?), the Vice President doesn't know what century it currently is (20th ?), doesn't know the State he is campaigning in (VA ?), but he sure can grow plants "without water, soil, or sun" (college graduation speech).
But, they have ALL the answers to our economic and International problems.
Yeah, the Liberals are squirming.
Romney-Ryan 2012 to take back America from the radicals.
Why is humor SO lost on the right?
The smile on Gabby's face after the First Lady said that was PRICELESS!
Two classy ladies enjoying themselves together, unlike the shrew Annie who likes to wag her finger in peoples faces!
PS: Thanks Layton! I see you beat me to it!
Geez Bill.......where's you're sense of humor, she was teasing her. what the hell is the matter with you pinch hearted twerps who support a mincing dancing tightwad such as Romney. You are so full of your 'favorite' pious baloney.
Come back with something worth discussing....if you can, with the lying cheating aspirants you support.
The republican presidential lineup has be interesting. They wanted Palin, the mama grizzly who wanted to stop the rising power of South Korea. She will be perfect. Then Donald Trump, the birther and "reality TV star". He will be perfect. Then Cain, the guy busted for sexual harrasment. He would be perfect. Then Newt, the one who claimed he cheated on his previous wives (plural) because he was tired and worked too hard. Now, Romney, the guy who won't show his tax returns. Why do republicans throw their trust in a guy who isn't going to show you he can be trusted to pay his fair taxes like the rest of us. Will he be perfect? Guys, it's Sunday night and you don't have any of your homework done for school tomorrow.
Anytime Feisty ... when the idiot RWNJ posters on here start attacking the First Lady it just makes me want to smack something. Viewing that video of her and Gabby was perfect and then the one of Ann - well, both of their characters are clearly displayed and I certainly know which one I respect more! Our First Lady is one class act!
4 more for 44! :)
Does it matter? Really???? The left has their hand in my left pocket and the right has their hand in my right pocket. My household is taxed at roughly 35%. Romney is going to look at me, with a smile and say "I paid my fair share of taxes, 13%" granted his 13% is larger than my 35% but that 21% difference would change my life. What happens to him, he has to buy the $200 tie instead of the $500 one?
President Obama says, " Hey can you do us a solid? Can you help us pay for medical insurance on these guys over here? Yes, these guys, many of whom aren't documented and don't really pay taxes. While your at it, can you help out these folks right here. Oh they pay taxes! They have about $1000 in federal with holdings for the year. Now when they file I'm going to use some of your 35% to give them certain tax credits and stimulus. Their return is going to be $4000."
What's either one of them or their parties going to do to cut spending and create jobs? No really. They're both really good at telling me how bad the other guy is rather than how good they are. I seem to remember this type of politics being effective in 8th grade. The fact that one candidates wife doesn't have to work while the other candidates wife seems to have a problem with egg McMuffins is.............. COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT!
I'd say vote your conscience.................... but I don't know how anybody could even do that at this point.
You Obama sympathizer's sound like a bunch of bad parents. Oh, little barack will grow out of it,he'll do better, he's just inexperienced and needs more time, the Republican bullies are picking on him in daycare, that's why he's acting out, you are just jealous of him because you don't realize like we do he is the chosen one. Maybe the President should run on his accomplishments explaining how he personally made them work, and his detailed plan to un-f**k the economy in the next 4 yrs, unlike what he didn't do in his last term! Can you honestly say that this latest scam of an immigration bill is OK with you people? If so then you are the only people on the planet that still believes in hope and change that didn't come in 4 yrs will in for sure happen in 8!! Romney/Ryan '12, because that's the way Barack would want it!
Very Good - Pistol
The rest of you on this string that are having the lockerroom contest to see which one of you is bigger than the other are the real fools in this charade.
Getting lost in the meaningless talking points and spats of the campaign.
If everyone would shut up and listen, stop the judging! Everyone is entitled to their opinion. Would each of you on this post actually have a real discussion (using your vocal chords) using the words you use on these blogs? If you would then we are in sad shape and the dividers have won.
Is there that much anger out there at people who are defined by their politics that you can't see who your friends are? Good Luck to all of you. I hope you will know reality when you come face to face with it. Pathetic!
Obama/Biden 2012- Keeping America's CLASS WARFARE moving FORWARD!
I completely agree with both Pistol and JeffWood. Virtually everyone on here are acting like spoiled school children without a rational thought on their brain.
WAKE UP!!! Both political parties are robbing us blind, taking our freedoms away and trashing the constitution all for the sake of greed, power and money.
A revolution is our only real option at this point. The current political system has been completely hijacked by both parties and is beyond fixing.
Even Rasmussen shows Obama gaining over 5 points THIS week alone. Seems like that new car smell wore off pretty quick!
Some people like the smell of the same old @!$%#!
WOW, Willard should take the 5 year tax deal from the Obama camp. You see if I had nothing to hide, I would release my taxes and watch myself shoot up 10 points in the polls.
However, Willard has something to hide.
Luckily most Americans who actually have a brain can use their senses and smell the stench coming from the right.
Just wondering if this wouldn't be a drudge flashing blue headline all day if romney would have moved up instead of down 5 points this week
spud-2552338
Just wondering if this wouldn't be a drudge flashing blue headline all day if romney would have moved up instead of down 5 points this week
spud,
As far back as I can remember the "Drudge Report " has always been a joke. It's like reading the onion.
Obama/Biden 2012
Yep, Mr. Obama certainly has NOT paid to have everything in his life "cloaked" from public view.
Show us your College transcripts and Student Loan Records, Mr. Obama, and your poll numbers will suddenly drop to -25.
FLYesity just opened the door for comments about Mrs. Obama. Thank you, FLYeisty.
MODERATOR: Time to terminate Lush Limpballs for a MONTH.
Look at the picture Romney is pissed and Obama is laughing at him along with the rest of the world
The only good that I can see coming from a Romney administration is if Romney won, he and Annie goes to see the Queen of England and the Queen biatch slaps Annie.
Guess the smoking mirror trick did not work, Romney thought by tossing Ryan out there his Tax returns and Bain would be over looked or lessened well guess what it won't, and other issue is the Norqist PLEDGE imagine that one, the REPUBLICANS will not be serving the people of America but the Norqist organization, is that what the American people want a Private Organization controlling our GOVERNMENT?
Speaking of smells, Nomo' Pewwwwwwww.
Former President Eisenhower would have loved hearing that Romney paid 13% income taxes while the other top earners were paying 91%. We build an incredible infrastructure and paid down the WWII debt. If you didn't have a job it was because you didn't want a good paying job. The IRS would have seized Romney's assets for hiding his money in Swiss Banks. Ike, come back and straighten this country out.
If we look at the massive waste that goes to defense, I not that the campaign money given by defense contractors goes only a slight edge to the GOP. There are no conservatives or Liberals---just liars and thieves.
Has anyone else noticed the razor thin wires attached to Romney's mouth? I wonder who's at the other end of those wires??
That must be the reason for Romney's monotone delivery regarding anything he says. A marionette only performs as those that manipulate the wires.
Why does it feel we are being asked to choose between two peas, that came out of the same pod.
I need a third choice! Someone not served on a republican or democrat platter.
As a fair-minded, intelligent American capable of rational thought, I downloaded President Obama's and Willard M. Romney's 2010 tax returns last night. I spent at least an hour reviewing the first 25 pages of each return.
Fact: Mitt Romney invests and earns a LOT of money overseas-impressive for someone who wants to lead this country.
Fact: President Obama had NO foreign investments or income from overseas investing.
Fact: Romney declared 21 million dollars in adjusted gross income
Fact: President Obama 1.7 million
Question: Who do you think has a better grasp of my needs? I am a 55 year old female in the workforce, lost my home of 25 years in an illegal foreclosure by Wells Fargo (that is currently being investigated by the Independent Review Board), and am living paycheck to paycheck. God help me if Romney/Ryan get elected.
Obama/Biden 2012
From Hope and change to Hopeless and Chagrined.
We are going to have a lot of unhappy libs after the elections.
lydiake - Just how many tax paying jobs have the companies that President Obama started created? This country works on hard working Americans having jobs and paying taxes. And there will always be people with less than others. Quit your whining and live the life you have made for yourself. Quit blaming others for your failures, you sound like Obama.
Dear Fellow Viners
May I suggest I suggest this addition to the NV's CoH:
All normal people should make an effort to ignore the batsh*t crazy RWNJ comments and never, ever honor them with replies. The best way to do it is to "ignore this author", then they are as good as non-existent.
Why? Many reasons for that, here is my favourite: "Debating a Republican/TP'er is like playing chess with a pigeon. You could be the World's best chess player, but the pigeon will still knock down all the pieces, sh*t all over the board, and walk around triumphantly" Aint that the truth?!
It was bad enough when we just had the RWNJ trolls coming here for a perverse pleasure of "pis*sing off the liburals". Now that their alma mater Dumb-Fux News has closed their comment section (even Dumb-Fux News can't stand them), all that garbage floated over here. I get it - they have nowhere else to go, but that does not mean we need to waste our precious time on them. I am all for free speech, but RWNJ blabbering is not free speech, it's not even any speech at all, I recognize the words they use, but can't make any sense of what they are saying and why. I am personally just very tired of them.
I really wish there was some "sandbox" kind of a thing we can send them to, where they could clean up, learn to talk and pass some sanity test before we would let them back out. I would never in my life venture to the Dumb-Fux comments section (not even their vile website) for the fear of getting covered with the feces they called comments. How I wish they would do the same!
Now that DFN (Dumb-Fux News) closed their comments section to never open it again, for those of you who've never been there either, here is a sampling of how it was: www.foxnewscomments.com - talk about depravity! It's quite horrifying! And now they've unleashed this rabid garbage on the rest of us - ugh! Where is my disinfectant???
So, may I suggest this list of "authors" to ignore to start with (I know they change their names all the time, sigh, so y'all have to be quick and nimble to block them as soon as they emerge their ugly little rears from their sh*tholes):
1. elliot-3020456;
2. CKSM;
3. RedSoxRule;
4. JoeNY;
5. alexandr1;
6. bob-1805084;
7. spider-737231;
8. you'realoser;
9. Just_D_Facts;
10. Bonebreaker1
Gosh, there are a lot of them! But this should be a good start.
Peace y'all
ANV
O'bama is a cacadoody head that eats dog! zip zip!!
It sounds all very nice, until you realize that the "Obama propaganda machine" is actually the real world.
NBC, et al -- Please stop with the false equivalency.
Everyone knows Romney's Carpet Bombing record, everyone remembers the Swift-boating of John Kerry, everyone knows President Obama MUST counter-punch, but even in so doing he keeps the criticism about policy -- And that includes Romney's tax returns vis-a-vis a Romney/Ryan tax policy that favors 1%ers like them.
Romney/Ryan, the Disastrous Duo -- No comparison!
It would be great if he actually admitted who he really was...I would pay to see that!
I love all your talking points libs! What a fun circle jerk! I got a thrill up my leg!
Racist bigots, homophobic, neo nazi Republicans! Whew! This is fun!
I forgot to mention the hillbilly rednecks and the KKK! Thanks for the reminder! Something tells me the KKK thing wont stick as well,,,with the Robert Bird thing and all, but still good...it fits the racist theme!
Boy I just gotta say...this is so freaking humiliating as an American. If my son or daughter behaved like these two candidates or Mitts little lady, they'd be kicked out of school faster than they could say pardonmymanners. And, we intend to elect one of them to the highest position in this country. The stuff you hear is real folks. These are the deep seeded feelings and emotions that constitute each candidates (and spouses) personality. Anyone concerned at all?
I am extremely ashamed at what this country has evolved into. I served during Viet Nam and have the utmost honor and respect for all of our troops who have and continue to serve this great nation, but politicians continually drag this country into the mud. You won't see a flag at my home except on Veterans Day. Disgusting politics...disgusting politicians!
Report shows that over 200 millions from outside group are used to attack Obama alone. I mean why solely on attacking Obama? The answer is obviously because even Republican don't even know what Romney's plan is.
Well one thing we do know...he is gonna put y'all in chains!
what just are the details of Obama care.
How much will a family of 4 making $45000 a year have to pay in premiums.
How much are the copays?
What is the limit of out of pocket?
Who pays the illegals premiums since they work under the counter? How will we get people to pay that use fraudulant IDs?
Too bad I didn't have a clunker so I could have gotten $8000 toward a piece of crap trade.
Too bad I didn't fib about my income or buy a house I couldn't afford so I could benefit from Mr. Obama's plan. I did however take a beating from the foreclosures all around.
The Health Dept and free clinics provide services to women along with clinics that are sliding scale-planned parenthood is redundant. Hope you know spanish when you go to the clinics because they are getting our services. So don't act like women will suffer without the insufferable planned parenthood.
Also, maybe single ladies would like to cross their legs and avoid having multiple baby daddies and STDS to go with that life style.
If you are irresponsible- VOTE OBAMA.
Coung
I have seen the draft and many points in it are ones that I have suggested to the branches. I had to go to sites on the medical profession to get an idea.
Kaiser health news article Romney on health care has good summary of the proposals.
As for Obama ass,my wife and I are victims of his destruction and my wife is voting for the first time after 20 years.
She likes her Medicare advantage which is going away because of Obama starting with her vision and dental benefit in 2013.
ROMNEY/RYAN 2012.
Paul Ryan (and Romney now) want to end Medicare, so who needs further detail than that?
Come on! Aside from Republicans wanting to destroy trust fund programs from day one (Dubya wanted to privatize Social Security with the cut-off of age 50), who believes for one second that these plutocrats want to save or strengthen these programs?
Let's just take the lack of logic in Romney's hilarious white board performance. He said his plan makes no changes to Medicare. This is a lie, but even assuming a plan makes no changes -- How does make a program "solvent?"
You don't have to generate a spread sheet people -- It's obvious the Dems and the President are (and always have been) the stewards of Social Security and Medicare.
Its no mystery why the daily sniping, it started in 2004 with the Swiftboat ads against Kerry. He spent 2 weeks not sinking to the level of retort, only to find out that the American electorate are sheep and actually believed the BS in that ad. Unfortunately 2 weeks of lack of response equated to "it must be true"... Too bad.
john-1960608 -- Are you being paid to post BS like that? Sweet Jeebus, you have to look at the entire picture, which includes the Affordable Care Act. Thanks to ACA, Medicare was made solvent for eight more years, AND the donut hole was closed in addition to adding other benefits for seniors.
Romney/Ryan not only want to end Medicare as we know it by privatizing it with vouchers, they also want to make huge cuts in Medicaid AND they want to repeal ACA. Without ACA regulations, insurance companies could return to rejecting 80-year olds based on preexisting conditions. Without Medicaid people will have to pick up the tab for things like nursing homes and hospice.
Run along and stop trolling your ignorance...
Mad Matt -- The biggest difference is the Swift-boaters LIED. Romney is the one who is trying to hide his tax returns from voters. No one is making this up.
Looking at the above ignorance it proves there are only three(3 for you dimwhitcraps) types of people in the United States.
1. Dimwhitcraps(obamy lovers)
2. Those who want to be dimwhitcraps(obamy lovers)
3. People with an IQ who do not believe in his failures and lies!
what I learned this week:
- Romney Ryan (RnR) wants to essentially privatize Medicare and says "trust us, we'll keep premiums in line"... the US govt hasn't been able to do this since Nixon started HMOs... that's a long time bending over to insurance companies
- Obama will sling dirt too, embarrassingly so
- Romney pays 13% taxes while median income married americans on a W2 pay 25%, so I dunno why he is bragging about paying half the taxes we do.
- both sides will do anything to get ahead... when I just want the guys to do their job
How do you people make up this crap, waste of time reading. O will fall on his face before Elections, come Fall we will get the debates and he will have to come up with some answers, and he does not have very many. O is getting worried about moving back to Illinois, the crime rate and all, O is like living with your very own bill collector on your back, Romney is like living with your very own financial adviser on your back, which do you prefer. we haven't seen anything yet the show has not even started this is just the rhetoric stage warming up to the main event now what do you want, sound business savvy or lots of talk. will O buy that wide brimmed purple hat to wear when he sells America out? Will Romney start a new Cayman Island account to hide Americas wealth, stay tuned to msn versus fox news for the rest of the story happy hour starts in 1.5 hours I'm going to saddle up and head to Town piss on this stuff. its nice this time of year the river is low and the only thing that gets wet is the dog and she can stay home if she wants to but she won't, you folks can go on worrying about the election personally I know we are screwed either way. let the children call each other all the names they want maybe they will tire of it. next comes the nice guy tactic where they show some form of decency. same old script different election.
I saw an NBC piece on television last night describing how the Republicans are getting personal and attacking the left in their core being. Then it was contrasted with video clips showing Obama/ Biden/FLOTUS saying that Mitt and Ryan are good family people who love their country but they all disagreed with their policies. It sure made the Democrats looks classy by comparison!
I loved Jon Stewart's bit on the GOP complaining about personal attacks the other night. It featured Sarah Palin complaining that no GOP member goes as low as Biden. Stewart's response to her was priceless.
I think that segment could be filed under lies by omission.
You missed the clips of Obama and Biden trashing Romney and Ryan. Of course you won't find those on NBC. Both sides are twisting words and making statements that have some truth into something that has no truth. They both need to stick to the issues and move on.
The difference is that Obama and Biden QUOTED THE GOP CANDIDATES DIRECTLY.
Just a CLUE for for the Mittens/Pauly-Wally people:
When your opponent QUOTES YOU DIRECTLY and you call it MUD SLINGING, you MAY WANT TO CHANGE YOUR MESSAGE!
Such as "you did not build that?" A direct quote can still be take out of context. Both sides are slinging @#$% and they might as well admit it.
SRS - Agreed!
I challenge anyone to show me JUST ONE ad supporting President Obama that took Romney's words out of context, or even misrepresented his positions.
Romney's very first ad took President Obama's words out of context, making a John McCain quote look like it was said by President Obama.
Then there was the "public sector is doing fine" ad, and the "You didn't build that" ad, just to name a few. Add in the outright lies contained in the "Welfare" and "Medicare" ads and it's obvious which side is "playing dirty".
Paul Ryan: The Deficit? I Built That!
Romney/Ryan: Medicare? We Can
FixEnd That!paul ryan voted for tarp and took stimulus money for his state. A classic example of I'm against it but what the hell I'm take some stimulus money for my state. Is that being two faced?
Ads or other comments supporting Obama take things out of context all the time.
How about all the attacks on Bain Capital?
WHenever people critisize Romney for his Bain record, automatically, I know that they are stupid. If you understand what the point of private equity is and the financial theory behind it, you wouldn't make these attacks (Obama is distorting the industry and hoping Americans are stupid enough to fall for it).
If a company is teetering on the edge of bankruptcy, and a PE guy comes in, fires half the people, inserts his own management team, and then turns around the company and re-sells it in a few years at a profit...that's a good thing - capitalism working as it should. But Democrats would cry about the people being fired (even though the company was about to collapse).
If a PE guy makes a profit on a company, it's because he found a way to make it more efficient. That's the whole point of private equity.
Democrats take these Bain stories out of context all the time, and Romney is clueless on how to fight back, b/c if he ever starts talking about the finance behind it, he's made to look like a Wall Streeter.
The coolest thing is what The former crybaby leader of the house(Newt) said about Paul Ryan. You can't make that kind of stuff up. Hell we only have to what the Rep's said about them self's or each other more to the point to have plenty to use against Romney and Ryan. And talk about someones Record. Look at Romney's and Ryan's records. I guess that is off limits too. God You just can't say anything about the Rep's can you. Cry a river Rep's Learn to take a hit as good as you give one. Opp's Mitt don't have his buddy's to hold a guy don't so he can hit him now dose he. He will get his Butt kicked if he had to fight a fair fight. He is a bully, and a arrogant Thief, that thinks it is alright to steel peoples pensions, so he can get richer.
Thats because most Republicans are a bunch of uneducated hicks
Guess the smoking mirror trick did not work, Romney thought by tossing Ryan out there his Tax returns and Bain would be over looked or lessened well guess what it won't, and other issue is the Norqist PLEDGE imagine that one, the REPUBLICANS will not be serving the people of America but the Norqist organization, is that what the American people want a Private Organization controlling our GOVERNMENT?
In other words, I don't believe in what I say I believe in or maybe "don't believe what I say" but watch closely at what I do!
And then there are the Democrats who are mostly uneducated Welfare recipients.
President Obama graduated at the Top of his class at Harvard! He was selected to be President of the Harvard Law Review! To be selected, one must be the top of all of the honor students! He was selected based on his work, the candidate's name or other personal information was given during the selection process!
Rush Limbaugh, flunked out of college and never went back! He is a disgraceful, racist, drug addicted baffoon.
John McCain graduated 5th from the bottom of his graduating class.
Willard had to have one on one instruction inorder to keep up educationally.
Barack Obama is the most intelligent President in our History.
Only a racists, prejudice windbag would say otherwise!
President Obama's transcripts has no bearing on a lying, tax evading, bullying, etch a sketch, out of touch, blovating ignoramous like Willard Romney!
Show us your taxes Willard and quit horsing around!!!!
Willard and Lyin Ryan will lose by a landslide!!
Obama/Biden 2012!!!!
How can anyone not think Romneys a hypocrite making so much of Obamas you didn't build it alone comment when he made a nearly identical comment at the Olympics?
JEFF579- Most of the welfare receipients are WHITE like the TEABAGGERS!!!!
According to U.S. Census.GOV 1/3 OF ALL WELFARE COLLECTORS ARE WHITE!!
THE TEABAGGERS LIKE YOURSELF ARE TRASHING THE GOVERNMENT ON ONE HAND AND THEN BEHIND CLOSED DOORS TAKING FROM IT!!
WHAT DESPICABLE HYPOCRITES YOU ARE!!!!
IT'S BEEN SAID THAT THE PEOPLE WHO SPEAK NEGATIVELY ABOUT HOMOSEXUALS ARE HOMOS THEMSELVES!!!!
THEY THINK THAT TALKING NEGATIVELY ABOUT THEM WILL HIDE WHAT THEY ARE DOING!!!!
OBAMA/BIDEN 2012
savannah,you have unicorns in the world you live in?
@savannah rae........
Barack Obama is the most intelligent President in our History.
Only a racists, prejudice windbag would say otherwise!
Thats pretty insightfull there! What makes him the most intelligent??
savannah rae,
So you are saying that one needs to be at the top of a prominate university to make a good president? I would agree that one needs to be very intelligent to be president. So why not show your college transcripts so we can see how you made it to the top of the class? I also agree that Romney should show more of his tax returns but I understand why he does not show them. The left will just use it as more class warfare to bash him because he is rich. I think Obama does not want to show his records because it will show what a liberal communist he is. If he wants to stand by his claim that is is the most transparent president ever then why not show them? What does he have to hide?
Obama is not intellegent. No President in the History has ever sealed all of his past, college records etc. What is Obama hiding . Could it be he is that Manchurian Candidate.
I don't trust anyone who is not adult or Moral enough to admit to their mistakes. I do not trust any Politician like Obama who does nothing but attack his oponents and then lies about not attacking them.
I also have to ask Biden why is it he says Republicans want to put people back in chains when it is his party that came from Slave owners who fought to keep them in chains. Do the minorities remember what the Democrats keep telling you. That they will take care of you. Well that is the same thing they told your ancestors as they were putting them in chains. and Yes these are the same type of people who whipped your ancestors if they didnt work hard enough.
savannah rae
#5.15
OK Savannah, how do you justify you BS after reading the below.
EVERY President in history, and EVERY presidential candidate has sealed all of his past college records.
Can you tell me what courses Mitt Romney took in college?
Can you tell me where I can find out what grades he got?
No? I didn't think so.
Romney is whining and complaining that he's being attacked by president Obama.
Whats the old saying? "If you can't take the heat, stay out of the kitchen."
Governor, It's only going to get harder, man up and show us your reported taxes...
President Obama has more intelligence in is pinky finger than Bush III, Romney and Ryan combined!
Willard had to go to the Best schools with small student teacher ratio, Lyin Ryan wanted to be a Doctor, but realized that the Science Classes was far above his I.Q.
For the record, Rush Lipo FLunked, McCain graduated 5th from the bottom of his class, wrecked several expensive military planes and was a stupid soldier (was captured).
Palin could not spell CAT even if you gave her the CA!
The Repugtards are just that, Retarded windbags!!!!
SHOW US YOUR TAXES WILLARD!!!!!
Obama/Biden 2012
It's comical to hear about democrats being ignorant. Take a look at Romney's biggest supporting block: The low-information, uneducated white males in the mid-west. These are the types that can't comprehend or process information. They simply follow what they hear. That's why they like Lush Limbaugh. He speaks at their level of intelligence--makes it easy for these obtuse types to follow the gibberish. Case-n-point: they loved George--can't put tugether one complete sentence--Bush. And as sad as it may be, that's the kind of people the right wing nut jobs want in America--uneducated idiots that can be manipulated at will. Nothing like turning the clock back two hundred years.
As a famous Philosopher once said: "An ignoramus is to ignorant to realize he is an ignoramus."
I think all Politicians including Harry Reid should show at least so many years of taxes before serving the public. As far as Romney's taxes I think 2 years is fine. If you Liberal Lefts still want more I think it's non of your business. There so many sealed documents by Obama that needs to be shown to the public. What's good for the goose is good for gander. There's more important things to worry about then Taxes again. How about jobs, budget, deficits, entitlement reform. Boy! you Liberals got nothing better to do then just worry about Mitt's taxes.
Tell me what the republicans did for the people they took out of "chains". The promise was the "republicans " were going to confiscate 40 acres of land from each plantation and give it to the freed people. Pulse a Mule. That way they would have had a way to make a living. Why was this not done? The south could not have done much about defending their land they had been destroyed. I seems someone didn't keep their promise way back then. Could that have been republicans?
I am sure that that promise was blocked by the domocrates that wanted them to remain slaves.
LEFTISTREPORTING - Please identify any information that Barack Obama has “sealed of his past, college records etc.”, that would preclude him from serving as POTUS. Try to remember, the credibility of any opinion is frequently undermined by the selection of sources.
Savannah Rae: your diatribe reminds me of a 2nd grader's rendition of trash talk: "My dad's bigger than your dad!" I guess that's what you're left with when you have no other argument.
Savannah Rae.... Spouting emotion like most NObama supporters, instead of facts. I am so glad Romney/Ryan are going to win in a Land Slide.... and we will take America back from the Entitlement Liberals.
College transcripts
Many of you don,t understand that each year over 7000 students apply for the 500 seats at Harvard.
The 500 selected have a 98 to 99 percent LSAT scores and a grade point average of 3.85 to 3.95 from previous schools.
Obama did not have high honors from Occidental or Columbia which means his scores were at least 3.3
So how did Obama get into Harvard? the only way to get into Harvard with lower scores is by being a foreign exchange student.
This is why the college transcripts is being a big issue.
I am not taking sides on this issue I am just stating the reason why?
I'd call the Affordable Health Care Act an affirmative solution.
GOP?
Would you say the same if that's all Obama had given you?
And we haven't seen 2 years of Romney's taxes yet - only 2010's.
Do you not wonder why he won't show 2009 - the year that people with money parked offshore without paying taxes on it were given amnesty to report it without penalty?
Does it really matter who wins...it'll just be a stalemate in congress and house anyway....theres so much infighting, and whining on both sides that its really dragging this country down....unfortunately when the dust clears we won't be any better off whether the skunk wins or muppet man wins....we're doomed....
Beth, are you claiming that NBC news is biased?
I want the President to come clean on the promises he made on the economy. The President said that the stimulus "did its job" but according to a report issued by the President's own administration, unemployment has been worse than if the stimulus had never been passed. What did we get from those shovel ready jobs that the stimulus paid for?
I want the President to discus the trade deficit that just keeps increasing. The federal government keeps trying to stimulate the economy by flooding it with cash but it all leaks our because such a high percentage of the goods and services that we buy come from foreign countries. The current administration has had no success in improving the situation.
The President went on and on as to how bad deficit spending was. Without conditions of any kind to include any act of congress, the President vowed to cut the deficit in half by the end of his first term. Well, this is the end of his first term. To keep the President's promise the federal deficit for this year, 2012, cannot exceed 229.27 billion dollars yet the President's own White House is predicting that the deficit will exceed 1.2 trillion dollars. The President also promised transparency. I want the President to explain what magic he is going to perform between now and the end of the fiscal year in order to keep his promise to the American people.
I estimate that the money the federal government is borrowing today will end up costing the tax payers more than 9 times the amount borrowed to repay over the next 170 years. That is just my estimate. I want the President to present a plan for repaying all of the money that it owes. The tax payers have a right to know how much all this federal borrowing is going to end up costing them.
The President needs to be reminded of some words of wisdom that were spoken back in March of 2006. The words are as true today as they were then.
The fact that we are here today to debate raising America’s debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. It is a sign that the U.S. Government can’t pay its own bills. It is a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries to finance our Government’s reckless fiscal policies.
And the cost of our debt is one of the fastest growing expenses in the Federal budget. This rising debt is a hidden domestic enemy, robbing our cities and States of critical investments in infrastructure like bridges, ports, and levees; robbing our families and our children of critical investments in education and health care reform; robbing our seniors of the retirement and health security they have counted on.
Every dollar we pay in interest is a dollar that is not going to investment in America’s priorities. Instead,interest payments are a significant tax on all Americans–a debt tax that Washington doesn’t want to talk about. If Washington were serious about honest tax relief in this country, we would see an effort to reduce our national debt by returning to responsible fiscal policies.
Increasing America’s debt weakens us domestically and internationally. Leadership means that “the buck stops here. Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren. America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership. Americans deserve better.
~ Senator B. H. Obama, March 2006
Romney Advisers said that Detailing Our Medicare Plan Would Be Suicidal
How many terms will it take for republicans to start working(Physical or mental effort or activity directed toward the production or accomplishment of something; anything;toil;labor)together with all of congress..How long it ever takes I will never vote republican.
After the " swift boating " by Lee Atwater's protege Carl Rove ,how do the Republicans think the Democrats are going to respond ? Politics have always been nasty business but it reached its apex during George W Bush's run for president . So the Democrats have finally learned how to take the gloves off . They finally learned you dont bring a knife to a gun fight .
Too bad it -from now on -the political races will never be civil .
The comments on this vine today prove that the Karl Rove trolls and the Greedy Old Party are losing the fight to actual Americans. The Republican Party is like a dying animal lashing out with anger and hate..... I would say rest in peace but I really hope the death of the Republican Party is long and painful, they deserve that after all the horrible things they have done to damage our country.
I have yet to hear a single thing from Mr Romney that has more than 10% truth in it. His past flip-flopping on every conceivable policy does NOT lend itself to any trust EXCEPT US KNOWING HE WILL CHANGE HIS MIND FOR WHOEVER WILL PAY THE MOST. Anyone not acknowledging this is blind and has no morality what so ever. As for Mr Ryan, This man is just as despicable, in his YEARS of Congress he actually submitted TWO bills himself. He has collected public money for over 10 years and has done nothing but CHANGE THE NAME OF A POST OFFICE, AND CHANGE THE METHOD ARROWS ARE TAXED. That is what this miserable "man" has accomplished, welfare recipients have contributed MORE to society than this fraud. But we hear from the pollsters that the "race is even" and the republicraps have 'out raised" democrats, YES THIS IS TRUE, but if my bace of support was 26 billionaires I too would have all the money I need to lie. People will see how wrong republicrap ideas are along with the lies they spread and vote them out in November, the REAL problem is when they lose, and lose big, one of their "believers" will use their "second amendment right" to harm someone. At that point "the job providers" better start "protecting" their own, THERE WILL BE VENGEANCE.
Another sad truth . If the economy is doing well in November , Obama wins . If the economy goes down Romney wins . They can talk about social issues all they want , but as the saying goes "Its the economy stupid !" People generally dont look at history or what someone has accomplished . It all comes down to a paycheck . Frankly I am surprised it is even this close . Usually when the economy is down the incumbent doesn't even come close in the polls -take Hoover for example - We'll see .
There are no moderates left -at all . Clear up until the 1990's members of congress would car pool together , or play poker ,or go out drinking or whatever . Do most people know that Richard Nixon was the driving force behind the formation of the E.P.A ? Or that the first president Bush was just right of center . Or that president Clinton was just left of center ? I am a Catholic ,and as a result of this, most of my Facebook friends are Catholic . (about 3000 ) You would not believe the amount of vile -far right - minutia they post . Freaking tea baggers . It is really pathetic ,but this what we are in store for . No more compromise to get things done . No nothing . It will be gridlock from here on out . We should vote ALL of them out of office !
Obama never left the trench - he has done nothing but mud slinging and undermining people's reputation versus standing on his record and his budget and his solutions for the problems facing the country. Gee any clue as to why he has never left the trenches? (for the libs out there he has no accomplishments and he has nothing to stand on that has helped the situation...)
My, my, now we have an article discussing which campaign is nastier. The fact of the matter is that people have already decided who they're going to vote for, so the ads aren't swaying anyone. There is no moderate anymore, all extremism and the numbers will tell the tale in November.
For those of you Republicans who favor cutting back entitlements, just remember that our military retirement funds are part of the entitlement package. Cuts will be across the board and military families will be included. That's just how the system works. I suppose it doesn't matter to those of you who have never waited out a rocket attack. Vietnam veteran for Obama in 2012
Why is it that no mention is made of the billions of dollars stolen via fraud? Medicare, Social Security, Welfare frauded out of billions. 'Kinda like when a school district says it needs to make cuts and where are the cuts? Never, ever, ever to the administration offices. Interesting, no?
Pitmanlaw: So you will vote for Obama to keep the entitlements flowing, even though the country is bankrupt? Military families are being screwed over by Obama and you aren't even aware of what is happening. How many jobs lost as a result of cuts to the military? How many vets coming home to unemployement? Record numbers of suicides, doubt that all of those poor souls were suffering from PTSD. Do you know who the Bonusers were?
1. Stop frigging shouting, fanboi
2. How do you know? He sealed his records almost the minute he became President.
3. If this is a smart Democrat, I'd rather have a dumb Republican.
Steampunk75 - Will all do respect to our last president, GWB, he was a dumb republican and you see how the country was left when he left office........Are you sure you still want one?
Romney is a bad bet, this is a job for Superman ( "OBAMA" ) 2012, This is Guaranteed !!!!!!!!!!!!
"This massage was approved by the Middle Class !!!!!!!!!!!!!
Oh my, you have indeed drunk deeply from the fount of Obamaspeak. Superman? So you equate Obama with a comic book hero? A fictional character. Hmmm, that explains a great deal.
This election is so nasty and silly because in reality there is not much of a difference in what either one is going to do when they get into office (or get another four years in office).
Both are rich, corrupt @!$%#s who will mainly help the same kind of people when they have the power.
I would say that the only difference is that Romney can afford to be more up front about it and Obama has to be more dishonest and cynical as the parties ON THE SURFACE are supposed to represent different constituencies.
Obama is greatly aided at this point by the Republicans controlling the House. He can put forth all of these Leftish (and popular) programs and proposals while being safe in the knowledge that there is no chance they will be enacted.
Oh my "Patriotic American U.S.A." Nothing but noise and platitudes. Somehow you just can't get anywhere with slogans like "Hope and Change". You have to get to the detail and the "how are you gonna do that"?
@5.52 Fortunately for you, there is a huge group of super dumb Republicans to chose from.
mygirl, love your commits, see you !!! name is Skip, have a nice day !!
You Tea (Nut) Baggin', Right Bangers better wake up! Take off those "Rose Colored" glasses and pull your Monsanto genetically engineered, corn fed polluted grey matter brains, mired deep within the, "Rich Mitt RoMONEY and Paul "Med-i-could careless" Ryan hoopla hole. Paul and Mittens are for business--BIG BUSINESS, like: FDA, USDA, BIG PHARMA, MONSANTO, OIL and GAS. RoMONEY and RyCUTS will suck the marrow out of small businesses; buying them out (stomping them out) and resource out those willing to bend over barrels. Romney built his business all right; built by "BLOOD MONEY" of killers. Do yourselves a favor and research: Bain, Blood Money, Death Squads, El Salvador.
"You didn't build it." You damn right. Romney DIDN'T build it--El Salvador Death Squads built RoMONEY's Bain (Blood-Ain't-It-Nothin' but Blood Bath") Company.
RoMONEY is like Palin--only with a tie. And Ryan? Also like Palin; picked to "resuscitate " a drowning GOP platform.
McCain was...well, a War Hero and to me, will ALWAYS BE, a WAR HERO. But Palin was McCain's and the GOP's downfall. Palin was, feminine, smart (?) and then she opened her mouth. And again. And again. Lord! Women wanted to stuff a rag down her throat; young and old, black and white and everything in between. And the guys? The guys used Palin to keep women out of politics.
Lucky for the ladies there are the strong, smart, beautiful and courageous women willing to tighten up their boot straps, roll up their sleeves, take off their subservient gloves, step forward and make men flinch, step back, shut their mouths and listen.
And Lyin'...er, Ryan? Just like McCain, RoMONEY chose a "pretty." And just like the GOP diehards-- superficial, plastic and shallow, "does it" for them. Lyin' Ryan wants more "Military Spending." Really? Do we need MORE military spending? OK, on what? New technology that'll take years to plan, finance, build, test, retest and when finally getting the go ahead for assembly line--they're OUTDATED. More $$$$$$ flushed down the deficit hole. Red Neck Patriots are thinking that military spending is for, "Security" and "Gear" for our MEN (oh, and the women, too...whatever.)
But it's not for the "Troops." It's, BIG BUSINESS AND THEIR CONTRACTORS who "get the money."
Wake up America...and you too, GOP, TeaBagNuts! You that identify with the, "Few, the Proud and the Brave." Ya'll are being "whipped" and "shackled" in chains. And not in a good way. You're being "corralled" like the hormone, toxic shot-up beef, pork, chicken, lamb and fish you stuff down your throats. And who is banking on your "patriotism"? BIG BUSINESS of the WORLD. Not the "Mom and Pop" businesses, nor the, "I did it on my own" small businesses. Here's a News Flash: NO ONE ever does it on "Their Own." Somewhere along the way, a "Teacher" helped you, motivated you; or some other "Mentor" encouraged you to "be all you can be." Your parents paid for your schooling, or supported you in some way; maybe your church sponsored you, or you "wooed" your way into a "rich" aunt's or uncle's will or good blessings. And maybe even a business sent you to school while you earned a paycheck on the basement floor of, "go-for-this-and-go-for-that."
Either way, YOU and everyone who starts a business, has the backing of SOMEONE or someone's MONEY, or someone's FRIEND of SOMEONE, or a BANK lent you money. You DID NOT do it on your own.
And know this: If you vote for RoMONEY and RyNOT-stiff-the-old out of Med-i-could-care-less, Ryan... you will have chosen…UNwisely.
Savannah Rae
Getting President of the Harvard Law Review is an Honor does not mean the top of the class. Itl can be, but doesn't have to be. Those things often are given to someone who opens their schedule to do so.
Lib nation is running scared! Have there built in excuses ready (voter suppression, super pacs).
With the venom they are already spewing I cant wait to see what it will be after the election.
It's not an excuse when the Pennsylvania Secretary of State gives a speech about how PA's Voter ID law will let Mitt Romney win the state.
And you believe PA's Sec or State? If he wins it will be because more of the ligitimate voters voted for him.
Why shouldn't I? I also cannot edit my other post anymore, but "let Mitt Romney win the state of Pennsylvania" were the exact words he used in the speech. Couple these words with the independent studies that conclude that minorities and the elderly will be most adversely affected by this law, and that as much as 9% of the PA electorate could be invalidated...and that sounds an awful lot like voter suppression to me.
I didn't see this edit until after my first reply. However, in-person voter fraud (which is what voter Id laws address) is a non-issue. I read that there were only 10 cases of in-person voter fraud found since 2000. Most instances of voter fraud (which are still very low) occur through absentee ballots. Voter ID laws do nothing to curb the illegal use of absentee ballots. Therefore, the voter ID laws have now invalidated up to 9% of the electorate (mostly minorities and the elderly) and fraud can still continue through the use of absentee ballots. These laws make no sense whatsoever...
...AND in most states the GOP CAN'T COME UP WITH A SINGLE INSTANCE where there was an illegal vote cast at the polling stations. Most fraud is ABSENTEE BALLOTS because you can do it WHOLESALE rather than RETAIL.
Please. Don't try to sell that VOTER PROTECTION aspect of voter ID. It is BLATANT voter disenfranchisement. Nothing more, nothing less. If you are FOR voter ID and do not believe it is intended to disenfranchise valid voters, YOU ARE LYING TO YOURSELF!
If the PA voter id is racially discriminatory, then why isn't it discriminatory to require id to purchase alcohol/tobacco? To pick up a prescription? To get through security at an airport?
Why all of the sudden does our RIGHTEOUS Administration take on voter id laws, but refuse to attack all of these other examples of discrimination?
Could it be....convenience?
There's a foul odor coming from the White House and Justice Department indeed.
Because buying tobacco or alcohol isn't a guaranteed right in the Constitution?
@CKSM - If the illigitimate voters voted Republican the law wouldn't have passed or been upheld by a Republican leaning judge. But...you don't really live in PA, do you?
Xabre, I suggest you look at a study made for the Board of Elections in the state of Maryland. I have not seen it, but I heard an election official say that it showed from 10% to over 50% fraud in various jurisdiction in the spring elections in Maryland. The official said that he personally saw a woman try to vote twice about 2 hours apart. If you need an ID for almost everything else why not to vote.
That is rather easy - it is because ALL OF A SUDDEN the GOP/TP decided to change voting rights laws.
While you rely upon the rumor mill to support your views, I will take it directly from the horses mouth.
Dogs80, it is you who should be afraid unless that is you are rich and only live off your investments because under these twos plans those are the only ones in America who will have things get even better. For people who WORK for a living regardless of Party things will just continue to get worse!
Citizens born in the US (legal voters) should be able to vote with same burden that have applied since voting rights were reformed. If this voter suppression attempt works, you @!$%#ers will have undone your constitution. Yes, I will be pissed. Your ideology is increasingly more exclusive and your morality argument is a joke. You have lost any chance at majority, and should be aware of your hypocrisy by now.
had enuf of our elected ones
If the PA voter id is racially discriminatory, then why isn't it discriminatory to require id to purchase alcohol/tobacco? To pick up a prescription? To get through security at an airport?
Only a dope couldn't figure that one out. Try this one. Why is vote ID only in the states President Obama won? Hint:
Pennsylvanian CongressmanTurzai: Voter ID Will Allow Romney to Win Pa. Voter IDis voter suppression; hence illegal
http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2011/10/21/350449/suppress-the-vote-goper-sets-up-illegal-show-id-to-vote-sign-at-massachusetts-polling-station/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EuOT1bRYdK8
Guess the smoking mirror trick did not work, Romney thought by tossing Ryan out there his Tax returns and Bain would be over looked or lessened well guess what it won't, and other issue is the Norqist PLEDGE imagine that one, the REPUBLICANS will not be serving the people of America but the Norqist organization, is that what the American people want a Private Organization controlling our GOVERNMENT?
Lyin Ryan is in lockstep with Willard the Weathervane Romney! Lyin Ryan trashed the stimulus package but secretly begged for it for his district!
Lyin Ryan and Tricky Dick Willard are the dynamic Etch A Sketch Duo!!
Their newest lie is about Medicaid. Lyin Ryan and Willard want to end it so that the Super Rich can get more tax breaks!
716 Billion will go to the likes of Willard and the insurance companies!
Lyin Ryan and Willard will lose by a landslide!!!!
SHOW US YOUR TAXES TRICKY DICK WILLARD!!!!
Obama/Biden 2012!!!
I previously never thought requiring a photo ID would be a problem until I found out over 9% of all registered voters don't have one. Mostly elderly and Minorities. Of the 1000+ accusations investigated for voter fraud only a handful proved to be true and none by illegals. No illegal is going to risk deportation to cast a vote.
Mock......
If showing an ID undoes the constitution on voting.....
Then I guess laws on free speech have undone the constitution....
Showing an ID and getting a permit to purchase a weapon has undone the constitution...
Not allowing automatic weapons has undone the constitution...
I'm sure the elderly that cant get an ID and will be disenfranchised are going to make it to the polls......none of the 9% to be disenfranchise votes absentee??
Voter ID laws are a solution in search of a problem.
read this.
MINNEAPOLIS (KMSP) -
One day after the FOX 9 Investigators reported that as many as 24,000 Minnesota drivers licenses may be frauds, a state employee working in Secretary of State Mark Ritchie's department appeared in court to face charges that she fraudulently obtained a drivers license and housing assistance.
A federal indictment was unsealed on Monday, revealing that a 53-year-old Woodbury woman who works as an administrative assistant in the Secretary of State's Office has been accused of using an alternate identity to receive more than $18,000 in low-income housing help from the United States Department of Housing and Urban Development.
Oluremi George has been charged with five counts of Social Security fraud, four counts of making false statements, and one count of passport fraud in the indictment, which was filed on July 10. George made her first appearance in federal court on Monday.
George is accused of using the name Victoria Ayoola -- and the Social Security number for that name, which George is accused of fraudulently gathering from the Commissioner of Social Security -- in applications for a Minnesota drivers license and low-income housing tax credits at the Pondview Townhomes between March 2008 and Jan. 14, 2011.
Sources confirmed to FOX 9 News that Gov. Mark Dayton was briefed on this case a few days ago since George has spent seven years working in Minnesota government, though none of her alleged crimes involve her post directly.
Yet, when it comes to driver's licenses -- real or fake -- the Secretary of State Mark Ritchie is already at the center of controversy as an outspoken opponent of the upcoming voter ID referendum on the ballot in November, which would require voters to have a valid state ID.
The irony of the indictment was not lost on Minnesota Majority, the group campaigning for the amendment. Ritchie, however, is out of state and has been unavailable for comment.
FOX 9 News checked to see if Victoria Ayoola had voted in recent elections, and it appears that she did; however, she did not use her legitimate identity to vote.
The Pondview development uses HUD loans and funds, along with tax credits, to provide housing help -- but a person must make less than the federal annual tax credit income limit to live there. Officials accuse George of intentionally misrepresenting her 2008 income, claiming her income would be $29,263 although she knew it would be about $56,400.
The charging documents say George, a native of Nigeria and naturalized citizen, lied about her income and used the fraudulent Social Security number four times between 2008 and 2011, and she also obtained a drivers license in 2009.
Prosecutors claim George also previously submitted a passport application under the name Ayoola with the fraudulent Social Security number in July of 2007.
If convicted, George faces maximum penalties of 10 years in prison on the passport fraud charge and five years for each of the remaining charges.
Facial recognition software flagged nearly 24,000 licenses that could be fraudulent, but the FOX 9 Investigators found only a few cases have been prosecuted so far.
Although George's case was picked up, the other licenses that have been flagged as potential frauds have not yet been checked against the Human Services roster to check for welfare fraud -- or against the voter rolls; however, they do plan to crosscheck the names beginning in July 2013.
So far, about 10,000 of the licenses have been canceled. Vehicle services is still working on canceling about 13,000 more, and more criminal prosecutions are expected.
Read more: http://www.myfoxtwincities.com/story/19039429/state-worker-accused-of-drivers-license-social-security-fraud?clienttype=printable#ixzz23pkgdsmN
If this had been done two years ago when they were able to get an ID card in sufficient time, no one would have complained. The fact that this was specifically done so late is what makes it so suspicious.
Your analogies with the 2nd amendment are false; the 2nd amendment specifically calls for regulations on firearms - "A well-regulated militia being necessary."
As far as voting is concerned, what do you call activities designed to suppress the vote? Constitutional?
Why is "context" only important to liberals when they are trying to make excuses for Obama? Yes, Turzai said that. And, you could interpret it as his support for voter suppression if you see everything with a left slant. Or, you could take the contextual meaning behind it: Voter ID laws are passed to prevent fraud, and so the passing of the law will promote an honest election in which the republican candidate will win the day.
Will Romney carry the state? That remains to be seen. But I think we can expect a Republican Rep to state that the Republican candidate will win when giving a public speech.
And, for those of you who aren't PA residents (Xabre), Mike Turzai is the Majority Leader, not the PA Sec of State.
@uaw-779887-Yes I am a Republican and a hick and a redneck,and I'm a rich
man.
Romney and Ryan 2012
I posted this info on Wednesday, but it is still pertinent to the discussion on voter fraud.
See the pdf of the Pennsylvania 6 point stipulation as they prepare for their "defense" of voter ID laws. Note that even they specify that there is no voter fraud. It can be found @ http ://bradblog. com/Docs/PA_ApplewhiteStipulation_NoInPersonVoterFraud_071212.pdf
And while you are looking, how about reading the non-partisan Brennen study on voter fraud @ brennancenter.org/content/resource/policy_brief_on_the_truth_about_voter_fraud
No voter ID fraud and yet PA insists on spending millions of taxpayer dollars.
Now ask yourself, why a rabidly Republican and financially conservative State government would spend this money if not to achieve a political agenda?
You can't identify voter fraud until you have a means to identify it. No ID requirements, no way of identifying those committing fraud.
And there you have it folks.
Are you really going to vote to let these bozos take over your country?
Mitt, your wife says that your tax returns include ammo for the democrats; what she meant was "smoking guns"
classy 23 - read the Brennan Study. Voter fraud is irrational and there is no credible evidence.
Try to spin this all you want, but at best it is a waste of taxpayer dollars. At worst it is a deliberate attempt to disenfranchise legal voters AND a waste of taxpayer dollars.
We have a MAJOR case of voter fraud happening as I type. MILLIONS will be excluded from voting, in the almighty word of GOP....Guess that's God's new name.
All of the dems out there who worry about the vote, use your gun registration. That's allowed. Ohhhhh???? Reps call foul???? Why?? You think only YOU own guns??? Your Gov.'s wrote the laws....live with it.
On a serious note, all of you who REALLY care about democracy get out and HELP any who need it to get the ID they need, and if needed DRIVE them to the polls.
On another note: The Black Panthers???? Really??? All two of them?:??
Intimidation at the polls???? Really??? In a Black community who's voters looked at them (black panthers) as a joke. Yup yup...REAL trouble there uh??
Not like the Rad Paul jack booted thugs stomping a Lady's (under 100lbs) face into the curb for the "CRIME" of carrying a sign. REAL AMERICAN of them uh??
Most have already decided on who they will vote for already, which worries the Reps....The reason for their VOTER FRAUD efforts. They KNOW they can't win a fair election.
Don't let the GOP steal this election. Jump their hoops, get your ID n VOTE THEM OUT. They are NOT for America or YOU!!!!
In Love n Light,
Da Pup
>:o):
When you see a GOPTer's face turning red from anger, give them a smile n wish them Love. The very thought of Love n Peace makes their heads explode...... Hehehehe
Much Love n Peace...Y'all >:o):
Matthew, I'm not spinning anything. It stands to reason that I cannot prove or disprove that you are who you say you are unless you provide some type of documentation showing such.
You can tell the polling officer in your friend's polling station that you are in fact your friend, Mike Smith (who you know will not be voting for this election), and unless you also provide a photo ID, the officer has no way of discerning that you are Matthew, not Mike. You can then go to your own polling station and vote for yourself, as Matthew.
Farfetched? Possibly. But, people could do this, and no one would be the wiser. So saying that fraud doesn't exist is just silly. There's no way to tell.
What happen to hope and change?
we were hoping that Republicans would help the President in our recovery from the financial crisis of 2008 - and they didn't.
Now, we're hoping America gives President Oama a Democratic House which will work with him to battle drought, wildfires, unemployment, senior healthcare, terrorism, and bringing down the debt. A cooperative Congress, that would be a welcome change.
We were hoping that Mr. Obama would work to bring people together like he said he would instead of demonizing and dividing from day 1.
Who was it that called the GOP "enemies"?
Who talked about the "having to ride in the back of the bus"?
A UNITER leaves room for both sides. Obama (with Reid and Pelosi) never left a millimeter.
Our system over government is designed to move in small steps. Obama's 1-sided efforts to take giant leaps to the left are what poisoned the political process.
With a Democratic Congress Obama managed to deficit spend about $3 trillion in 2 years. That act against nature gave us the "Stimulus" plan, (about $1 trillion after interest payments) and this unworldly thing called "Obamacare" that will cost the country more trillions. Unemployment has been steadily rising because of these debts, the GDP steadily falling. And this is the repeat the radical liberals want?
And bring down the debt? Now that's funny. First you have to balance the budget Amy. Haven't seen Obama do that yet, and you won't. Harry Reid hasn't even passed a budget in 1200 days. The Democrats have no interest in balancing the budget, let alone pay down the debt. Why you think they will is a mystery only you can answer.
That's what you get from Obama having the oceans recede.
Another failure. At some point you have to think it's not going to get better with Obama. We've reached that point.
Obama is obviously not the one we've been waiting for.
@ had enough
You have it exactly backwards you polarized idiot.
The Democratic House inherited the worse Recession since the Great Depression, same as the Democratic President. Two years later, Republicans were elected to office on the promise they would focus on jobs, and did they?
No. Maine also got a Republican state government and now, according to Gallup, we are the most pessimistic state in the union. Our whack job Tea Party governor is having a melt down as we speak. I don't know what LePage's rant is today, I haven't bothered to read the paper. None of the Tea Party governors who took office in 2010 are effective. Chirs Christie's NJ has even higher unemployment than poor, rural Maine.
and what group from day of 1 of the Obama presidency vowed to do everything in their power to make him a 1 term president? Why have they put the interests 1 party before the interests of AMERICA? Why do they grovel at the feet of Grover NO Quest?
Gee...could that be the *G*NO*P*....the party of cut taxes for the rich....raise leg....trickle down on the less well off?
GNOP - They can't handle facts. THEY CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!
If it was such an "act against nature", why did Paul Ryan admit to requesting stimulus funds?
You are aware the two main contributors to the deficit were / are: 1) The Bush Tax cuts and 2) the Afghanistan and Iraq wars, right?
JAS1 -
Your "wonderboy" Paul Ryan voted for almost all of the major legislation that led to our debt - the Bush tax cuts, the Bush Medicare expansion, No Child Left Behind, the 2008 stimulus package, TARP bailouts, the auto bailouts, and the 2009 stimulus.
Ryan's plan takes over 20 years to balance the budget, even with his ridiculously low spending estimates.
Romney's economic plan of additional tax cuts and increased military spending will dramatically increase the deficit.
Where is your outrage over their plans?
Paul Ryan: The Deficit? I Built That!
Romney/Ryan: Medicare? We Can
FixEnd That!lies lies lies lies lies lies lies.
Which party held a press conference on election day pledging to make the president a one termer? Your ok with that division though because it fits your ideology you partisan hack.
See, that's where the Left gets confused. They don't know how to grow the economy, they don't know how to increase tax revenues by increasing the tax base. They only know about more taxes and more regulations.
Government can provide the services it promises, but only if the government is diligent about reforming the programs, and only if the country becomes business friendly again. Too bad that will not happen with the current administration which is only interested in destroying businesses and jobs.
Barack H. Obama to businesses - "You didn't build that."
Yes they did Barry, yes they did. And because of you, now they're doing it somewhere else.
No, sorry, it's the truth. Obama struggles to work with his own party, let alone with the GOP. It's been that way for four years. The next four, if we are so unfortunate, wouldn't be any different. Even Bush managed to work with the Democrats, Obama hasn't a clue on how to work with the opposition.
And the GOP does know how to grow the economy? Thirty years we've seen trickle-down economics fail and yet they still call for more. In addition, you continue to post about debt...the GOP's poster boy, Reagan, more than tripled the debt during his eight years in office, and Bush speaks for himself.
That's "Tza", not "Taz". Sorry Tzalaran.
Nope. Businesses know how to grow the economy. We need to let them.
What we have in DC is mostly a bunch of lawyers and career politicians that haven't a clue about what it takes to grow the economy. That includes both Democrats and Republicans. These people are clueless on how to run the economy. They need to let the businessmen perform that job.
Guess the smoking mirror trick did not work, Romney thought by tossing Ryan out there his Tax returns and Bain would be over looked or lessened well guess what it won't, and other issue is the Norqist PLEDGE imagine that one, the REPUBLICANS will not be serving the people of America but the Norqist organization, is that what the American people want a Private Organization controlling our GOVERNMENT?
Bob. What happened to hope and Change. Well it is called Rep's stopping everything the President has tried to do. They have said it outright that there only job is to make sure the President fails so he isn't re-elected. What Good American's they are. They couldn't care less about American or the Constitution of these United States. I don't know how Rep's can keep a straight face. Well they don't now that I think about it. Look at Mitch McDonald. He has that same dirty smile on his face that Madoof had. Like I really screwed you. Every think the Rep's say they are is a lie. They say they are conservative, they are not. We have seen this during the Bush years. They Call them self's Christians, they are not and we see that all the time. If Jesus ever comes back, they are in trouble. Of-course the Rep's would nail him to the cross again for calling them out on there lies. I can the Koch Brothers crying out Hang him, He is calling us out for our lies. We can't have that, He has to go. Conservative Christians My Butt.
and transparency?
JAS1
Isn't that exactly what Paul Ryan is - a career politician? He's never held a "real" job ... and Mitt's been campaigning non-stop for 5 years.
Businessmen like Warren Harding, Herbert Hoover, and the Bushes went on to be some of the worst presidents this country has ever seen but you think we should elect another one?
Dems forget that Clinton was a supply side believer (trickle down) and the economy was churning along just fine. Bush the second was a spender like Obama and see where that has gotten us.
Bush created long term spending without funding. Two unfunded wars, a 300 billion a year drug program and 400 billion a year in tax cuts that existed not only for his administration but will for all those that follow. Bush wasn't tax and spend he was borrow and spend.
As for Romney if you add his proposed cuts with his proposed increases in military spending you'll see he certainly isn't a fiscal conservative.
Obama had a democratic majority for two years. What did he accomplish? Nothing unless you count Obamacare as an accomplishment. Even with congress on his side he did not pass a budget. And just look at all the budgets that Obama put forth. Not one vote from either a republican or a democrat either. Obama said he would be the most transparent president ever. Well I call BS. He has been the most devisive president ever. When ever anyone disagrees with him he just hides behind the race card. Well I am willing to say that he has been the worst president ever. I make this statement becuase of his failed leadership and policies. It has nothing to do with his skin color.
They already control the government. The congresspersons and senators will only vote they way they are told to vote and will only say what they are told to say! They all say the exact same thing!
I've heard some whoppers blamed on Obama, but this one takes the cake and then some:
This could be interpreted as a compliment or as a complete ignorant rant from this JoAnna dimwit. The compliment would be that She is giving Obama God-like powers. According to this comment, Obama now has the power to influence the Ocean--WOW!! Or, it can be interpreted, as it should be, as a comment from an ignorant twit who hates Obama to the point of making totally irrational statements. And there's where the right wing nut jobs come from.....
Same old arguments from both sides.
The question is what are you going to do yourself to improve things?
We have a growth based economy, the growth is based both on population and us buying more and more junk every year.
Well guess what we need to change that. We already have to many people here to keep on running the things the same way. We use too much water to irrigate our crops, we eat way too much food. We have started to use less energy, but population growth zeros that out.
We cannot tax and spend our way out of this. We have way too much debt, both parties are to blame for that. You blame the wars and the tax cuts, fine I do not really care, the truth is we are here now, no matter how we got here. What is the plan for getting us out?
All I hear from the Democrats is to raise taxes and spend more money that we do not have. Well we did that, well at least the spend more money part. The truth is even if we went back to the rates that we had when President Bush took office we would not balance the budget. So you telling me that taxing the rich and only the rich more is going to make a difference, well I am not sorry the numbers do not add up.
So no I do not think that I will vote for President Obama, I am not sure that I will vote for Mitt either. I will have to decide right when i am in the booth what i am going to do.
Life is a game, so thanks for playing!
subnormal
You're right there's no easy way out of the mess that George Jr left us with. It will require a balanced approach. That's why I was elated when Boehner and Obama come up with the grand deal that would reduce the deficit by $5.3 Trillion while raising revenue by $1.2 Trillion, over the next ten years. that would have been a good start. However, the Obstructionist Tea Party Nazis in the HoR would have none of it. And, Boehner, afraid of losing his job, caved in.
There are ways of getting out of this mess; but it will require everyone to work together. Let's face it, the Tea Party Nazis have no intentions of working with Obama, PERIOD! Thy're following Mitch McConnel's edict that the number one priority of the Republican party is to "Make Obama a one term president."
Yes, we're in a mess, but the obstruction to getting out of this mess is primarily due to the non-compromising Tea Party republicans. That is a fact!!
Both parties are to blame. I am sure if Obama is elected again that the republicans will continue to oppose him. On the other side if by chance Romney is elected then the democrates will do all they can to make sure he is a one term president. What a mess. Who can you trust? No one in government. We all better learn to look out for ourselves and our fellow men. Government is for the most part a big waist of money. I am not saying that government should be done away with. It has its roll and place but we as Americans should not depend on our government. Anyone who does will be dissapointed.
subnormal... read it and weep:
"It's a game. We [tax lawyers] teach the rich how to play it so they can stay rich--and the IRS keeps changing the rules so we can keep getting rich teaching them." - John Grisham
The Repubs will win control of the Senate, retain control of the House and Win the Presidency. Problem Solved!
Romney/Ryan 2012
@Subnormal - I know what I've done. I live in Wisconsin - right along the IL/WI border. I work in the suburbs of Chicago. Ever since the GOTP have taken over the Gov's mansion, this state has been a damn mess. For me, I go out of my way to spend my money in IL - as much and often as possible. When my family and I go out to eat, we go over the border. Grocery shopping - I stop at Jewel on my way home - in IL. Gas - I fill up in IL. Entertainment - we go to IL. Other shopping - we go to IL. I pay my taxes as I'm required to in the State of WI - but my discretionary spending is done in IL. I'll be damned if I give one more penny than I absolutely have to to this state, with a bunch of idiots in it who think that Scooter Walker (aka the UVA shooter - just look at his eyes) is the greatest thing since sliced bread.
Oh, yeah - and I live in Paulie's district, too. He hasn't done a damn thing to help the Kenosha area at all. I've lived here now for the past 6 years - I've never seen things so bad.. People can't find jobs (including my DH), more homes are going into foreclosure on a year-over-year basis, the class size in the Kenosha schools are exceeding 40 kids per class at the middle school level, and I could go on..
CONFUSED.....stating that tea partyer's and nazi's are the same is a real stretch...maybe you should read a little history first b4 making stupid statements...gee whiz and we wonder why there's all this vile crap on the net....
Very well put:
rgmoon
I know and understand that everybody has an opinion about what has driven the economy down the way it was and why a lot of people feel compelled to blame the president because he IS the "Head" of the Government but those that are so quick to blame him quickly(or intentionally) forget that the President can not, by law, create or implement policy, that is the Congress's responsibility to do so. All he can do is introduce legislation but congress has to vote, amend if necessary, pass THEN send to the President for signature into law.
The problem we have had since 2010 is the great divide of the republican party when they went on the senate floor and declared their sole intention was to make President Obama a one term President....This is very hard to deny and dispute BUT yet the President is called the great divider.
Even those on the right have to swallow a bit of their pride and admit that for all intensive purposes, Obama has done his share of trying to reach across the isle in order to get things accomplished and each and every time the republicans have resisted and even "lied" about having a deal in order to remain "united" with the party. How many times has the president produced legislation to get the country back on track that were paid for (with subtle tax increases and cuts in programs even his own party opposed) and hear the excuse over and over how this raises taxes on the "job creators" THEN at the last minute we get a bill passed that's not paid for which adds to the deficit which effects forces the President to sign the bill to keep the country moving(ex. child tax credit, debt ceiling which was NEVER debated prior to Obama, tax cut extension, etc...)
If it must be said and I ask ANYONE on the far right and left to seriously think about this......How is Obama adding trillions to the debt WITHOUT the congress's approval? He can't. To blame Obama solely for this is to "believe" that he "magically" circumvented congress somehow in order to pass all these measures without their knowledge. So effect to blame Obama is to also blame Congress and those that strongly oppose any method whatsoever do get this country moving again. The genius in all of this is those doing the obstructing are counting on you to forget what they have done and are doing a wonderful job of using the very same tactics the accuse the President of doing (hate and division).
The sad part is the Teaparty is doing an excellent job of replacing those republicans that have made the hard decision in the past of doing what was better FOR the country instead of for the party. In other words working WITH the opposite party to achieve a common goal.
Finally something to think about.....Has anyone really stopped and thought about how much money is being poured into this election and who is doing it? It is amazing how many "millionaires" are pouring in millions of dollars in an effort to get Obama out the White House. I know what those on the right would say as well as those on the left but what is the REAL reason behind it? I have my own opinion and excuse me for using one of Romney's lines here but if I tell you then that would give the other side ammunition to demonize me.........
That same money was poured into the '08 election to GET Obama elected. Once those backers realized how anti-business and pro-big government he was they decided to back another horse. Now, back in 2008, Obama was the one who stated initially that he was only using public option for his election. Then, amazing flip-flop, and he went after all the private monies.
Note that the democrats were bragging at how Obama had raised almost a BILLION dollars for his election, they were positively gleeful that he had so much money in his campaign chest. Sorry, sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander. McCain stuck with the public option, see where that got him?
Here's two.
Source: Factcheck.org Obama accuses Romney in a series of TV ads of being a “corporate raider” who “shipped jobs to China and Mexico,” asking if voters want to elect an “outsourcer in chief.” But some of the claims in the ads are untrue, and others are thinly supported.
You are refering to a super PAC ad. Which is not a Romney ad. If it is a Romney ad to you then the super PAC that ran the ad stating Romney was the cause of the women dying is an Obama ad. Can't have it both ways.
As someone stated both parties are guilty of such ads, the question you should ask is why can't you see that.
You Tea (Nut) Baggin', Right Bangers better wake up! Take off those "Rose Colored" glasses and pull your Monsanto genetically engineered, corn fed polluted grey matter brains, mired deep within the, "Rich Mitt RoMONEY and Paul "Med-i-could careless" Ryan hoopla hole. Paul and Mittens are for business--BIG BUSINESS, like: FDA, USDA, BIG PHARMA, MONSANTO, OIL and GAS. RoMONEY and RyCUTS will suck the marrow out of small businesses; buying them out (stomping them out) and resource out those willing to bend over barrels. Romney built his business all right; built by "BLOOD MONEY" of killers. Do yourselves a favor and research: Bain, Blood Money, Death Squads, El Salvador.
"You didn't build it." You damn right. Romney DIDN'T build it--El Salvador Death Squads built RoMONEY's Bain (Blood-Ain't-It-Nothin' but Blood Bath") Company.
RoMONEY is like Palin--only with a tie. And Ryan? Also like Palin; picked to "resuscitate " a drowning GOP platform.
McCain was...well, a War Hero and to me, will ALWAYS BE, a WAR HERO. But Palin was McCain's and the GOP's downfall. Palin was, feminine, smart (?) and then she opened her mouth. And again. And again. Lord! Women wanted to stuff a rag down her throat; young and old, black and white and everything in between. And the guys? The guys used Palin to keep women out of politics.
Lucky for the ladies there are the strong, smart, beautiful and courageous women willing to tighten up their boot straps, roll up their sleeves, take off their subservient gloves, step forward and make men flinch, step back, shut their mouths and listen.
And Lyin'...er, Ryan? Just like McCain, RoMONEY chose a "pretty." And just like the GOP diehards-- superficial, plastic and shallow, "does it" for them. Lyin' Ryan wants more "Military Spending." Really? Do we need MORE military spending? OK, on what? New technology that'll take years to plan, finance, build, test, retest and when finally getting the go ahead for assembly line--they're OUTDATED. More $$$$$$ flushed down the deficit hole. Red Neck Patriots are thinking that military spending is for, "Security" and "Gear" for our MEN (oh, and the women, too...whatever.)
But it's not for the "Troops." It's, BIG BUSINESS AND THEIR CONTRACTORS who "get the money."
Wake up America...and you too, GOP, TeaBagNuts! You that identify with the, "Few, the Proud and the Brave." Ya'll are being "whipped" and "shackled" in chains. And not in a good way. You're being "corralled" like the hormone, toxic shot-up beef, pork, chicken, lamb and fish you stuff down your throats. And who is banking on your "patriotism"? BIG BUSINESS of the WORLD. Not the "Mom and Pop" businesses, nor the, "I did it on my own" small businesses. Here's a News Flash: NO ONE ever does it on "Their Own." Somewhere along the way, a "Teacher" helped you, motivated you; or some other "Mentor" encouraged you to "be all you can be." Your parents paid for your schooling, or supported you in some way; maybe your church sponsored you, or you "wooed" your way into a "rich" aunt's or uncle's will or good blessings. And maybe even a business sent you to school while you earned a paycheck on the basement floor of, "go-for-this-and-go-for-that."
Either way, YOU and everyone who starts a business, has the backing of SOMEONE or someone's MONEY, or someone's FRIEND of SOMEONE, or a BANK lent you money. You DID NOT do it on your own.
And know this: If you vote for RoMONEY and RyNOT-stiff-the-old out of Med-i-could-care-less, Ryan... you will have chosen…UNwisely.
@ Amy B Portland...You apparently have forgotten that the Congress and Senate were controlled by the Democrats during the last half of Bush's term.
They appropriate the money. They approved the tax cuts. They approved the debt ceiling and they voted for the wars. Now blame the Republican house for not doing their job. Every time a bill gets passed Harry Reid throws it in the trash and then blames Republicans for "doing nothing".
Obama's adviser Gibbs calls Trump a right wing nut job for auctioning off dinners for Romney. How many "Dinner with Barack" e-mails have you gotten...literally thousands. So do not blame the Republicans if you do not see the truth and the truth is they are all to blame because they do not represent the American people. They represent the people that pay them off.
Limpballs @ 7.15 It is no wonder you always get collapsed. Your comments are inane.
Ryan loaded up the country with debt, crashed the economy, then blamed the Democrats for it. Same. Old. Story, and it's not going to work again.
One Congressman can do all that?
Bette, try one President.
Time to impeach the POTUS and restore some sense of order in this country.
Impeach? Bush should have had been impeached during his second term for the Iraq War. Why on God's green & blue earth would a conservative republican administration borrow 1.3 TRILLION dollars (currently 3.4 with interest) from COMMUNIST China?! Again, this is a COMMUNIST country and republicans borrowed money from them to fund the war on Iraq. By the way... the US Military never did find any weapons of mass destruction either. Wrong doing? This is the perfect example for impeachment, as it cause the NATIONAL DEFICIT to balloon like the 2008 subprime mortgage crisis, which started during the Ronald Regan era 1980s when congress deregulated banks loaning policies.
When a sitting President refuses to enforce the laws on the books of the United States, when he ignores the US Constitution and unilaterally does as he pleases it is time to send him packing.
If not, then what is to stop him from doing whatever the hell he wants any time he wants to do it?
Bush was an arrogant fool, but even he did not cross these boundaries. Obama just blew right through them.
It's too late to impeach. Just don't re-elect and put him on the unemployment line with all the other people he's managed to keep there with his economy-draining policies.
JacViers...well said. I would like to know why TopDrum is asking for the POTUS to be impeached, on what grounds??
Please be sure to provide links to material that will make your case TopDrum.
...but, but, Ryan says "Your rights come from God and nature, not the Government".....
Ryan does not endorse that whole Government document, The Constitution!
had enuf-
Do you realize that GW Bush is on record as calling the Constitution "just a damned piece of paper" when pushing for expanding the Patriot Act?
Waterboarding, secret CIA prisons, spying on American citizens without their knowledge or judicial approval - yea, "W" was a true patriot!
impeach obozo...
Who is that? Bush?
Who's obozo? That has to be the lamest post of the day.
Just who's is obozo? Only the republicans know. I guess obozo is a code word for Rmoney.
The Republicans have spent over 3 years either actively lying or failing to speak out against those in their party - like Donald Trump and the loon Bachmann - who accuse the President of being a foreigner (not a REAL American), associated with terrorists, calling him the "food stamp President", portraying him in racially biased cartoons, and other vile things. All while talking out of their butts about how he divides the country and promotes hate speech. Romney's lastest whine about the President is another childish attempt to project on the other party the garbage that he spews and knows is wrong.
The President, through more than 3 years of this, hasn't stooped to that level ever. He's projected the class and intelligence that are the characteristics of a leader.
RTFS said:
Like having his campaign suggest that Romney is a felon?
By not condemning the "Romney killed my wife" commercial?
By not speaking out against the 21st-century McCarthyism practiced by Reid and Pelosi?
The only "class" Mr. Obama has projected since he was sworn in is class warfare! He is unique amongst Presidents in his ability to use the bully pulpit to set groups of Americans against each other instead of bringing them together. And he does it for his own political gain at the expense of our nation.
While you seem to call that leadership it is nothing more than tyranny and bullying.
But don't worry. The Coallition of Victims is on its way to a resounding success no matter what the outcome of this election is; You are succeeding in dividing a nation.
Let's see he did associate with Ayers is that a true or false? Under his administration food stamps has risen to its highest levels is that true or false? The birth certificate is moot at this point and bogus. There is a problem with some of his visits to foreign countries illegal for american citizens to go to. He frequently divides to country into wealthy vs middle or low income (his status level can't relate to anothers status level) and I would say yes he is divisive.
Had enuf, other than Stephanie Cutter making the felon comment - which is true if he signed legal documents regarding his involvement with Bain that he knew were false - the rest of your post can't be rationally addressed because it's not factual.
The Obama campaign did not release that ad, although it's true that the employees Bain put out of work when they either shut them down or outsourced their jobs overseas, lost their health insurance. I don't want the President to condemn the ad - I don't know that it's false.
I don't know about the McCarthyism remark. Who did they haul in front of a Congressional committe and accuse of actions detrimental to the US?
When did the President ever say that any class of people in this country were evil, un-American or some other perjorative? Are you saying that by talking about tax rates on different income levels equates to something like, say, denying equal rights to people?
An example of tyranny and bullying? Are you talking about getting legislation passed in Congress?
Try some rational or factual points that don't come from the lunatic fringe and then you can have a real debate.
Romney is not a felon for ONE REASON ONLY. He took the AMNESTY for people with ILLEGAL OVERSEAS ACCOUNTS. That is the ONLY LOGICAL REASON he does not release his tax returns. We all know he is rich. We all know he paid a low tax rate. Those things are not worth the pasting he is taking for hiding his returns. THE ONLY THING that he can be HIDING is that he took the AMNESTY FOR ILLEGAL OFFSHORE ACCOUNTS.
No. He IS not A FELON. He committed FELONIOUS ACTS but then took an AMNESTY.
SRS, please document! It is this kind of baseless garbage that has pulled the entire Democratic down farther into the mud.
RTFS,
Please tell me you are not that ignorant. Please tell me that you are not that far "gone".
How can anyone be in such denial?
Reid makes unsubstantiated accusations on the floor of the senate based on reports from "unnamed sources" and you do not see how this is the moral equivalent of McCarthy doing the same in the 50s?
Romney leaves Bain in 1999 (i.e. no involvement in the day-to-day operations of the establishment, unless you have evidence to the contrary) and signs SEC documents as required by law since he technically remained the owner of a public company until later and the President's campaign (supposedly representing his values of decency that he claims) labels him as a possible felon?
Then we have the "Romney murdered my wife" as that the campaign denies any knowledge of the ad or its background, but a high-ranking official in that campaign hosts a teleconference with the protagonist of the ad and thanks him for sharing his story?
Rush Limbaugh is condemned by the White House for calling Flucke a "whore" but says nothing about supports on their side calling Palin a "C*NT" and other degrading terms that are equally offensive if not worse?
The inconsistency in Mr. Obama's "decency" stance is deafening! Why are we not hearing condemnation from Obama and his surrogates for these EQUALLY offensive actions committed by Obama supporters?
As for pitting Americans against each other, do you deny that Mr. Obama has done so repeatedly on the basis of income, gender, religion, age, sexual preference and race/ethnicity?
How about the rule of law? Does that matter? Or should all Presidents simply be allowed to ignore laws they diagree with? Should all Presidents be allowed to exempt their friends and supports from laws that others must adhere to? Should all presidents be allowed to confiscate the property of Americans and simply hand it over to their supporters (i.e. GM bondholders having their propoerty given to the UAW)? Should Presidents who claim to have no knowledge of things going on inside their Justice Departments be able to protect JD documents pertaining to incorrect information (I won't call it a lie) that was provided to the legal overseer of the department (Congress) under Executive Privilege?
When will you "victims" accept that others are not responsible for all of the things going on in your lives that you are not happy about?
The bite of President Dracula is powerful indeed. This economic and culteral vampire has turned you into a drone.
and all of it is true....obozo is an anti-american marxist ideologue...
I truly get tired of people repeating that tired line about Obama being the most divisive president in history. What did he do to cause division except get elected? He has constantly tried to compromise with Republicans and has been repeatedly denied the opportunity.
Who said before Obama was even inaugurated that they hoped he would fail?
Which party got together just to plan how to obstruct whatever he tried to accomplish?
Which party questioned our President's citizenship, religion, and patriotism?
Which party's main voice played a song called "Barack the Magic Negro" on his radio show day after day?
Which party said their NUMBER ONE PRIORITY was to make him a one-term president?
Now which party and its leaders are the "most divisive in history", going so far as to put their own political gain ahead of the well-being of the entire country?
I also remember a president who was only elected to office only after the Supreme Court ruled in his favor, then governed like he won by a landslide.
I remember a country UNITED after 9/11, and a president and a party that used a tragedy to push through their agenda.
I remember a party and a president that questioned our patriotism if we disagreed, and said "if you are not with us then you are against us" to the world.
Now who was the most divisive president in history?
RTFS If you think that other republicans have said nothing about Romney then here is what our friend Charley has compiled.
Here
are 25 things Republicans have had to say about Mitt Romney.
1.
“If you have things to hide, then maybe you’re doing things wrong. I think you ought to be willing to release everything to the American people.“
~Alabama Governor Robert Bentley, calling for Romney to release more years oftax returns, AP, July 14, 2012
2.
“Now Mitt is not a perfect candidate. He has a number of problems. It’s hard for him, for blue collar families like mine to identify with him. It’s hard for economic conservatives to identify with him. He needs to do more to reach out to Latinos…”
~Former Republican NY Governor George Pataki, “endorsing” Romney and then telling the world how weak he is as a candidate, MSNBC, April 2012
3.
“They (voters) want to know what’s the truth. They’re not interested in a chameleon.”
~Michele Bachmann, criticizing Mitt Romney’s flip flopping, speech in Florida, December 2011
4.
“Well, I think you hit a reset button for the fall campaign. Everything
changes. It’s almost like an Etch-A-Sketch. You can kind of shake it up and restart all over again. But I will say, if you look at the exit polling data in Illinois, you’ll see that Mitt Romney is broadly acceptable to most of the factions in the party. You have to do that in order to become the nominee…”
~Romney Communications Director Eric Fehrnstrom, describing his boss as a man who can’t make up his mind, CNN, March 21, 2012
5.
“There are a lot of other people out there that some of us wish had run for President, but they didn’t. "
~Republican Senator Marco Rubio, wishing there were another candidate to pick from, The Daily Caller, March 2012
6.
“He’s not a bold decision maker like Newt Gingrich is. Every time I talk to him, he says ‘well let me think about it.’”
~Romney supporter Sheldon Adelson, describing his new favorite Presidential candidate as a weak man who can’t make decisions, Jewish Journal, March 28, 2012
7.
“I do know that all of the Michigan delegation worked very hard as related to the revival of the auto industry. There was really a choice between bankruptcy and liquidation. There was no one that was willing to come up not only with the cash to keep them afloat but also to serve the warranties of everyone, you and I that drive all these cars. There was no one that could have picked up those pieces other than the federal government. [The auto bailout was] bipartisan from the get-go. [Without it,] Michigan would have hit 40 percent unemployment
rates.”
~Republican Michigan Rep. Fred Upton, endorsing Romney and then disagreeing with him about the auto bailout which has been a major Romney attack point, WMUK Radio, February 2012
8.
“Mitt Romney and I don’t agree on every issue and certainly housing is one of them. When you look at what is going on here in Southern Nevada, you can’t say you got to let the housing market hit bottom. We have been bouncing along the bottom for years. And the fact is we have to do everything possible to: 1) keep people in their homes and 2) get people who are out of their homes back into their homes.”
~Republican Nevada Rep. Joe Heck, endorsing Romney, then distancing himself from Romney’s call to let home foreclosures hit the bottom, Las Vegas Sun, February 2012
9. “Santorum connects with some people. Unfortunately, my guy has a hard time doing that.”
~Former AZ Republican Party Chairman Randy Pullen, endorsing Romney and then tearing him down, CNN, February 2012.
10.
“Gone are the days when the Republican Party used to put forward big bold visionary stuff…We’re gonna have problems politically until we get some sort of third party movement or some alternate voice out there that can put forward new ideas.”
~Jon Huntsman, saying that we need a third party not long after endorsing Romney. Also implying that Romney is not bold, nor a visionary leader, “Morning Joe,” MSNBC, February 2012
11.
“He may not be Mr. Personality, uh, you know, this is a guy who gives a
fireside chat and the fire goes out.”
~Former GOP Virginia Rep. Tom Davis, endorsing Romney and then announcing how bland and boring Mitt is, News Channel 8 interview, March 2012
12.
“Self-deport? What the heck does that mean? I have no doubt Hispanics have been alienated during this campaign. But now there’s an opportunity for Gov. Romney to have a sincere conversation about what we can do and why. I absolutely advocate for comprehensive immigration reform. Republicans want to be tough and say, ‘Illegals, you’re gone.’ But the answer is a lot more complex than that.”
~New Mexico Governor Susana Martinez, slamming Romney’s stance on immigration, Newsweek, May 2012
13.
“Pick any other Republican in the country. He is the worst Republican in
the country to put up against Barack Obama.”
~Rick Santorum, calling Mitt Romney the worse Republican anyone can possibly pick to be the nominee, Racine, Wisconsin, March 2012
14.
“He should release the tax returns tomorrow. It’s crazy. You’ve got to release six, eight, ten years back tax returns. Take the hit for a day or two. He has to give a big speech in defense of capitalism, and that will elevate, I think, this race above this tactical back and forth, which I do think he’s on the margin of losing.”
~Bill Kristol, criticizing Romney’s refusal to release tax returns on Fox News, July 15, 2012
15.
“He glosses over and doesn’t even tell the truth. … Here is a guy who is the ultimate flip-flopper running for president, and he’s attacking me for not being principled? That doesn’t wash.”
~Rick Santorum, campaign event in Tennessee, February 2012
16.
“Mitt Romney’s losing at this point in a big way. If something’s going to come out, get it out in a hurry. I do not know why — given that Mr. Romney knew the day that [Sen. John] McCain lost in 2008 that he was going to run for president again — that he didn’t get all of this out and tidy up some of his offshore accounts and all the rest.”
~George Will, criticizing Romney for not releasing more tax returns, ABC, July 15, 2012
17.
“One of Governor Romney’s aides today on television said that Governor Romney, after he wins the primaries, will be like an [Etch A Sketch] — you take whatever he said and you can shake it up and it will be gone, and he’s going to draw a whole new picture for the general election.”
~Rick Santorum, Harvey, Louisiana, March 2012
18.
“I do not yet know if I will find a Romney presidency more acceptable on foreign policy. But I do know that I must oppose the most recent statements made by Mitt Romney in which he says he, as president, could take us to war unilaterally with Iran, without any approval from Congress.”
~Rand Paul, National Review, June 2012
19.
“We can’t nominate such a weak candidate. I’d love to be able to get one-on-one with Gov. Romney and expose the record that would be the weakest record we ould possibly put up against Barack Obama.”
~Rick Santorum, ABC, March 2012
20.
“Gov. Romney has claimed to have created 100,000 jobs at Bain and people are wanting to know, is there proof of that claim? And was it U.S. jobs created for United States citizens?”
~Sarah Palin, Hannity, January 2012
21.
“I heard Governor Romney here called me an economic lightweight because I wasn’t a Wall Street financier like he was. Do you really believe this country wants to elect a Wall Street financier as the president of the United States? Do you think that’s the experience that we need? Someone who’s going to take and look after as he did his friends on Wall Street and bail them out at the expense of Main Street America.”
~Rick Santorum, Rockford, Illinois, March 2012
22.
“I don’t know who all of his advisers are, but I’ve seen some of the names and some of them are quite far to the right. And sometimes they might be in a position to make judgments or recommendations to the candidate that should get a second thought.”
~Colin Powell, MSNBC, May 2012
23.
“Running a business is not the same as being president of the United States.”
~Rick Santorum, CNN, March 2012
24.
“If you’re not sure about whether to support Mitt Romney, whether you’re liberal, or whether you’re very conservative, you ought to be excited, because he’s been on your side at one time or another. So I’m not completely misunderstood. I’m not as excited as I am desperate.”
~Louie Gohmert, Republican conference, April 2012
25.
“Governor Romney supported the bailout of Wall Street and decided not to support the bailout of Detroit.”
~Rick Santorum, Detroit, Michigan, February 2012
had enuf-
Romney has tried to have it both ways on the Bain issue. He claims it was aleave of absence when it suits his purposes, then claims he "retroactively retired". He takes credit for jobs created after 1999, but not for outsourcing or jobs lost.
There are just too many facts that point to Romney still being active with Bain:
He didn't just "sign SEC documents", he signed documents attesting that he was the Chief Executive. According to Romney's own financial disclosure forms he still owned 100 percent of Bain Capital in 2002, and that he earned at least $100,000 as a Bain “executive” in 2001 and 2002, separate from investment earnings.
Romney also signed SEC documnet claiming to be "sole shareholder, Chairman, Chief Executive Officer and President" of several corproations formed after 1999 that partnered with Bain on acquisitions.
The Boston Herald reported in 1999 that "Romney said he will stay on as a part-timer with Bain, providing input on investment and key personnel decisions."
A Bain press release issued on July 19, 1999, noted that Romney was "currently on a part-time leave of absence"—and quoted Romney speaking for Bain Capital.
In 2001 and 2002, Romney filed Massachusetts state disclosure forms noting he was the 100 percent owner of Bain Capital NY, Inc.—a Bain outfit that was incorporated in Delaware on April 13, 1999—two months after Romney's supposed retirement from the firm.
A May 2001 filing with the SEC identified Romney as "a member of the Management Committee" of two Bain entities.
In 2007, the Washington Post reported that R. Bradford Malt, a Bain lawyer, said Romney took a "leave of absence" when he assumed the Olympics post and retained sole ownership of the firm for two more years.
In 2002 Romney testified before the MA state Ballot Law Commission that his separation from Bain in 1999 had been a “leave of absence” and not a final departure.
Louie Bee
18. “I do not yet know if I will find a Romney presidency more acceptable on foreign policy.
Louie Bee,
Might I add:
Obama better for world economy: poll
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/08/17/us-usa-election-poll-idUSBRE87G07D20120817?feedType=RSS&feedName=politicsNews&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Reuters%2FPoliticsNews+%28Reuters+Politics+News%29
had enuf - Do you actually read what you write. You start off with name calling - the refuge of the beaten - and still continue to defend your views with braod generalizations without one specific incident or fact to back them up.
Because I refuse to have a battle of wits with an unarmed person and waste my time, I'll only respond to your first "point". You obviously have no real clue what McCarthyism is if you think that throwing a challenge, or even an accusation out to someone who voluntarily put himself out there for public scrutiny equates to what Joseph McCarthy did is idiotic. MCarthy hauled people in front of a Congressional committee and threatened their Constitution rights and freedoms.
I think TNSEVOL tried to educate you on the rest of your unsubstantiated diatribe.
Now go back to immersing yourself in the delusion that is Fox News and stop trying to interact with the grown ups.
Bull@!$%#!!!
You Dems get your post in the Republicans should be home from work in a hour are so and take over this site. You know we do work unlike you Dems.
Romney and Ryan 2012
2016, the movie
Video clips on Politics Nation had so many clips of Paul Ryan lying it is too hard to list them all. Documents showing he asked for millions of stimulus money, then showing video of him saying he never asked for stimulus money. Phone interviews of him lying saying he never asked for or took for stimulus money. Then video showing him admit he asked for stimulus money.
More videos of him saying that stimulus money was not enough for Obama and Ryan wanted more amounts of stimulus money. More videos of him saying stimulus money helped the economy . and more videos saying stimulus money did not help.....YIKES>>>Is Paul Ryan related to Romney with his lying and constant flip flopping?
It's so entertaining to watch the libs spinning like tops. James Jones has been resurrected in Obamas body, "Drink up"
You Tea (Nut) Baggin', Right Bangers better wake up! Take off those "Rose Colored" glasses and pull your Monsanto genetically engineered, corn fed polluted grey matter brains, mired deep within the, "Rich Mitt RoMONEY and Paul "Med-i-could careless" Ryan hoopla hole. Paul and Mittens are for business--BIG BUSINESS, like: FDA, USDA, BIG PHARMA, MONSANTO, OIL and GAS. RoMONEY and RyCUTS will suck the marrow out of small businesses; buying them out (stomping them out) and resource out those willing to bend over barrels. Romney built his business all right; built by "BLOOD MONEY" of killers. Do yourselves a favor and research: Bain, Blood Money, Death Squads, El Salvador.
"You didn't build it." You damn right. Romney DIDN'T build it--El Salvador Death Squads built RoMONEY's Bain (Blood-Ain't-It-Nothin' but Blood Bath") Company.
RoMONEY is like Palin--only with a tie. And Ryan? Also like Palin; picked to "resuscitate " a drowning GOP platform.
McCain was...well, a War Hero and to me, will ALWAYS BE, a WAR HERO. But Palin was McCain's and the GOP's downfall. Palin was, feminine, smart (?) and then she opened her mouth. And again. And again. Lord! Women wanted to stuff a rag down her throat; young and old, black and white and everything in between. And the guys? The guys used Palin to keep women out of politics.
Lucky for the ladies there are the strong, smart, beautiful and courageous women willing to tighten up their boot straps, roll up their sleeves, take off their subservient gloves, step forward and make men flinch, step back, shut their mouths and listen.
And Lyin'...er, Ryan? Just like McCain, RoMONEY chose a "pretty." And just like the GOP diehards-- superficial, plastic and shallow, "does it" for them. Lyin' Ryan wants more "Military Spending." Really? Do we need MORE military spending? OK, on what? New technology that'll take years to plan, finance, build, test, retest and when finally getting the go ahead for assembly line--they're OUTDATED. More $$$$$$ flushed down the deficit hole. Red Neck Patriots are thinking that military spending is for, "Security" and "Gear" for our MEN (oh, and the women, too...whatever.)
But it's not for the "Troops." It's, BIG BUSINESS AND THEIR CONTRACTORS who "get the money."
Wake up America...and you too, GOP, TeaBagNuts! You that identify with the, "Few, the Proud and the Brave." Ya'll are being "whipped" and "shackled" in chains. And not in a good way. You're being "corralled" like the hormone, toxic shot-up beef, pork, chicken, lamb and fish you stuff down your throats. And who is banking on your "patriotism"? BIG BUSINESS of the WORLD. Not the "Mom and Pop" businesses, nor the, "I did it on my own" small businesses. Here's a News Flash: NO ONE ever does it on "Their Own." Somewhere along the way, a "Teacher" helped you, motivated you; or some other "Mentor" encouraged you to "be all you can be." Your parents paid for your schooling, or supported you in some way; maybe your church sponsored you, or you "wooed" your way into a "rich" aunt's or uncle's will or good blessings. And maybe even a business sent you to school while you earned a paycheck on the basement floor of, "go-for-this-and-go-for-that."
Either way, YOU and everyone who starts a business, has the backing of SOMEONE or someone's MONEY, or someone's FRIEND of SOMEONE, or a BANK lent you money. You DID NOT do it on your own.
And know this: If you vote for RoMONEY and RyNOT-stiff-the-old out of Med-i-could-care-less, Ryan... you will have chosen…UNwisely.
@ RTFS....Obama is a "Tin man" and an incompetent executive. The Republicans have had control of the Congress for less than 2 years. Democrats controlled it for 2 years under Bush and 2 years under Obama. They approved the debt ceiling, the war funding, the tax cuts In 2010 Obama signed the Bush tax cut extension and now he rails against it. Now that he is up for re-election he is focusing on the economy and denigrating Romney beyond what is reasonable. He is dividing this country by separating various groups. Gays, women, African Americans, undocumented immigrants and more. If you consider this class...I consider it class warfare and you are to full of Obama to see the forest through the trees.
I remember when Bush was in office, you couldn't walk down the street without overhearing people discussing him. The battle between Bush and Democrats was in the air at coffee shops, around the water cooler, and even in people's homes.
I don't overhear many people discussing this presidential race. It's odd. The Ryan choice caused not a ripple in the collective consciousness around me. Even my Tea Party brother hasn't mentioned Ryan - Maine newspapers are all about the controversy over seating the Maine delegation, who are all Ron Paul supporters and thus, unwelcome at the Republican convention.
Myself, I just want it all to be over, and to see President Obama continue in the White House. It seems to me, if America didn't fire Geroge after one term, they surely won't ax Obama, given that this President had to spend his first term cleaning up after the former.
I with you, Amy, and then add Paul LePage's antics today and then losing O. Snowe to the toxic TP atmosphere...
I kept telling Bush to use the kid of litter that clumps. I am no dummy when it comes to litter, years of experience. I think Cheney hid the good stuff in his safe just in case but then forgot about it bring there.
Beth - I saw that bizarre headline in the Press Herald today about Tea Party Gov LePage - what the heck is that all about?
Maybe that's why no one around here is talking about Romney, we have the world's worst governor in our history to deal with.
I'm one of the 61% who didn't vote for that clown. He's such an embarrassment! My husband thinks he wants to privatize something in the state government...something, according to LePage, that "will make the Democrats hate him." WOW! Too late for that...
I hear nothing about Romney either...
Good points Amy, I can say the same about Ryan here in Fl., with one big difference. The seniors here are not happy and I would venture to guess R & R may have shot themselves in their feet.
We'll all be seniors some day. (Some of us sooner than others) R and R are going after our population who have given us everything. It's not right!
Bob in KC-545426 and everyone that says "PROVE HE DID NOT TAKE THE AMNESTY"
I DON'T HAVE TO. As Sherlock Holmes would say "eliminate all the other possibilities and the one remaining must be the truth". Simple as that. Why would he take SUCH A BEATING for not releasing his taxes, and he IS taking a beating, if there wasn't something to hide. Poll number are down ANOTHER five points which cannot COMPLETELY be a result of picking the Neo-Colonialist Empty Suit from my home state of Wisconsin as his running mate and MUST be mostly related to his tax issue. We KNOW he is rich. HE TOLD US he paid a low tax rate. THOSE are not the issue. He LEFT OUT the form from his 2010 taxes that detail overseas transactions and is willing to let us BEAT HIM for THAT as well. HE HAS NEVER DENIED TAKING THE AMNESTY. NEVER!
ELEMENTARY my dear Watson.
MITTENS WOULD BE A FELON IF HE DIDN'T TAKE THE AMNESTY!
THE GOP WANTS TO ELECT A MAN THAT WOULD COMMIT FELONIOUS ACTS TO MAKE A BUCK to be PRESIDENT!
So. Go to it. TRY TO NEGATE THAT LOGIC. I DARE YOU!!!
You'reALoser-Is that a collective 'we', like everyone in Florida, or is that you, yourself? And please, pray-tell, inform us all what your "truth" is.
You'realoser.......what a great moniker so true.
BTW are you a member of the Sarasota Republican Party, who is making a presentation next week to Donald Trump proclaiming him "Statesman of the Year"? How charming, must be because he is the King of the Birthers.
Must be the birther 'truth'' you know about and that's how you vote.
Oh, Beth, please don't lump all Floridians into one group. I know we have a terrible reputation for making awful decisions, but honestly we all were not in on them. Peace!
:) I'm not, for sure! I just think people need to voice their own opinions and not hide behind "everyone else thinks so, too."
By the way, I love FL!
Quick, Somebody call the suicide hotline, Amy B is advocating killing herself and taking the country with her! Please get her help!
MTPol......your response is so typical of the conservative habit of twisting words and giving them new a whole new meaning completley different from what Amy said and meant.
Huh. No response. I guess Sherlock Holmes beats Faux News ANY DAY!
Nope, just looking for a spot where I can reply. In battle ground states like North Carolina, Colorado, Wisconsin, Florida and Virginia, Real Clear Politics have shown Romney getting closer pretty much day by day. In all of those states except Wisonsin Romney is well within a plus or minus 3 margin of error. Why don't all of you try dealing with the truth for a change.
Rick-312779...
"If you are out to describe the truth, leave elegance to the tailor." Albert Einstein
You'rea loser - As a Floridian in Pensacola(doesn't get any far west than this) what is this "truth" you speak of that "we" know? Please tell me it's not the "Obama stole 419 billion from medicare to fund Obamacare" agrument as I would LOVE to educate you on that one....As Paul Ryan said "I want that debate!"
When Bush was in office I never thought he was great. But things being what they are Bush is way far better than Obama. Obama is the worst President I have ever seen in my life and I was born when Truman was in office.
The Dali Lama recently made a comment in response to a question on CNN. Who are the greatest leaders you have ever met in your life. His response was "Nelson Mandela and George W. Bush". I was shocked by that but he explained how deeply sincere and caring Bush was.
The Democrats are the dividers and they are the socialists. They are ruining our American dream and they will be destroyed as a party if they keep going down this path.
This has been the TP/GOP's mission since Nov. 2008.
ummmm. 2004 says hi.
It goes both ways...the Democrats are as bad.
The Queen of the Coalition of Victims (Feisty) makes another brilliant comment aimed at distracting from the issues that should really matter:
- Creating jobs
- Getting deficits and debts under control
- Re-vamping our entitlement systems so that they are sustainable
- Determining how much government we should have, what it should be doing and how much resources the America people are willing to expend on it
Instead we get the daily venomous and inane comments of one who has been convinced that she is a victim of some other group of Americans.
How about talking about the issues instead of trying to keep provoking name calling that only distracts and continues the effort to set groups of Americans against each other?
had enuf of our elected ones
Gee, they could use you over at the Romney campaign, cause all we hear from Mitt is:
- He paid no less than than 13% of his income in taxes over the past decade. But he won't show us the proof because Democrats would just find ammunition in there of how he managed to pay so little.
- President Obama is unAmerican and, BTW the Obama campaign is making personal attacks on Mitt. (Not fair! Personal attacks are the Republican's tactic, not the Dems!)
- President Obama dropped the work requirement from welfare. (See? that's how you run a campaign, you lie about your opponent's policies!)
Hi Amy,
I'm curious. Why do you feel that 13% is too little? What rate of taxation do you think most Americans actually pay?
As for personal attacks, I haven't heard Mr. Obama called Felon, Murderer or Tax Cheat. I have heard response to that as Mr. Obama being called "Liar". Then again, didn't Obama promise that if I liked my health insurance I could keep it? But now with ACA my kind of policy (HDHC) is being made illegal and I have to find something else. Perhaps the "liar" label isn;t that far from the truth.
All political debate involves different interpretations of current/potential policies. How "running errands for friends" now qualifies as meeting the work requirement necessary to be on welfare seems to be a bit of a stretch for me to accept. But that's ok with you?
But seriously, back to the tax question. What percentage do you think most Americans actually pay as income tax? What percentage do you pay?
had enuf -
Who in the Obama campaign called Romney a Felon, Murderer or Tax Cheat? That is a HIGHLY exaggerated version of events.
Romney signed SEC documents stating he was the Chief Executive of Bain, then filed financial disclosure forms saying he had no role at Bain. One of these statements must be untrue - it was correctly pointed out that it is a felony to lie on an SEC disclosure.
Name one pro-Obama ad that took Romney's words out of context or misrepresented his position on an issue.
Enuf, what is your tax rate?
Mine is at least twice what Romney claims to have paid and I don't make anywhere near the amount of money he does. So yes, I feel that his rate is far too low.
Obama is talking about the issues. When he raises, WORD FOR WORD, the policies that Mitt supports HE GETS BLASTED FOR SLINGING MUD.
When YOU can't stand behind your positions and have to deflect by calling people MUDSLINGERS for QUOTING YOU DIRECTLY, you haven't got a LEG TO STAND ON.
ROMNEY SAID AND I QUOTE: In my first 100 days I WILL UNSHACKLE THE BANKS! You think that is a good idea? If so, YOU ARE INSANE!
A shame Romney couldn't be as proud of what he pays. I'll bet your overall rate is higher than 13.9%.
I don't care what rate anyone else pays, so what makes you think I would care what rate Governor Romney pays? Do you know what rate your boss pays? How about your neighbor? Do you care? Does what they pay affect your life?
Priority USA ad with Joe Soptic inferred he was responsible for his wifes death and that Romney was because Soptic lost his job and insurance. Even tho she had insurance ande Cutter disavowed knowledge but out right lied...no big deal I reckon. Both sides are reving up the mudslinging. If you think your side is not then you are in denial...I am not.
rightwing, how did your tax rate hit 115%? that's crazy...
fielden
It is IMPOSSIBLE that your tax rate is twice what Romney says he pays (13%) when the average rate for all American that pay income tax is only 5.6%!
You are clearly confusing MARGINAL tax rate with your NET tax rate. Taxes are assessed based on ADJUSTED GROSS INCOME (Gross income minus deductions, exemptions) and TAX CREDITS (e.g. the child credit)! Marginal tax rates are applied on the Adjusted Gross Income and then your tax liability is reduced by your credits.
NET TAX RATE = TOTAL MONIES SENT TO THE IRS FOR INCOME TAX / GROSS INCOME.
In the United States the average net tax rate is under 6%, so I highly doubt your claim to be more than 26%.
Now let's look at Romney's specific situation. Let's assume he earns $20M per year (based on what we have in his publicly reported tax filing, all of it capital gains that get taxed at 15% AFTER deductions). He gives 10% of the gross amount away each year to charity (its called tithing, a mormon custom). Charitable contributions are tax deductible.
Assuming he gets all other deductions and exemptions eliminated because he earns too much then 15% of the remaining AGI of $18M is $2.7M paid in taxes. That makes his net tax rate $2.7M/$20M = 13.5% (SURPRISE...It's just under the 13.6% he stated yesterday, but by using round figures we get damn close to what he said).
Compare that to someone is married with 2 kids and earning a gross salary of $90K per year. Assuming NO ADJUSTMENTS to income so that the AGI also equals $90k (no adjustments/reductions for 401K/IRA, no capital losses, no alimony to a previous spouse, etc.), then after subtracting the standard deduction ($11,600) and exemptions ($14,800) it leaves a taxable income of $63,600 for which the income tax is $8,694.
Then the taxpayer gets the $2000 child tax credit so the final amount paid for income tax is $6,694. The next tax rate is therefore $6694/$90000 = 7.44%!
You and those like you have been so taken in by an Administration so focused on trying to make it's constituents think they are victims that you cant even see the truth. You don't even need to know more math than they taught you in 7th grade to figure this out! A person making $90k per year has a marginal rate of more than 13% but their net rate when all is said and done is 7.5%!
While you may feel that the marginal rates for capital gains should be greater, that comes at the expense of reducing the incentive to invest. Our tax code treated dividend and capital gains differently because:
a) The money was already taxed once when it was originally earned
b) There is a need to create an incentive to invest (somthing our current President doesn't seem to want to acknowledge)
We could raise taxes on dividends and capital gains, but then there would be less investment because the risk/return ratio would not be as attractive. Then how many new job opportunities would there be?
Now the next time you want to go spouting off, do the basic homework so that you can speak about facts instead of the "spin" you have programmed with by the economic vampire and his army of "victims"
The repubs are blocking everything in Congress, they won't work with Obama.
Obamas last budget proposal got voted down 97-0. I guess Dems don't want to work with Obama either.
Math is so hard! Maybe you don't need math to get a degree at Harvard?
Past elections have proven that going negative always trumps having a clear plan. So of course both sides are going with the winning formula of name calling and slander. Why state in simple terms what you would do for the country when you can win by claiming that you know what your opponent would do to the country.
and Mythe's Economic plan - a 30 year failed policy of trickle down??
Tax cuts for the 1%...Tax hikes for Middle Class....raise leg....trickle down....
By the way..in 2010...didn't a certain party of "No" run on a "Jobs" platform...just where are those jobs?? No Jobs... Just say NO the GNOP!
GNOP Can' handle facts....THEY CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!
...and you cite an approval poll, not an election poll. Romney is sinking BADLY in the election poll. The empty suit selection of Pauly-Wally Voucher boy is going to make it even worse. Ryan hasn't had an idea yet. Putting trickle down privatization out as a new idea is absurd. Gutting medicare and social security to give a handout to banks and insurance companies isn't going to fly. Given that kind of ammunition even Slow Joe Biden will DESTROY Pauly-Wally in the debates.
EVEN FAUX NEWS CAN'T PUT LIPSTICK ON THIS PIG!!!
Check out Real Clear Politics. You can even see how the candidates are doing in each state.
Ring-a ding-a ding, liberals: it's time for your happy pill!
TopDrum
We are already happy but by all means follow your own prescription. You will like being happy, promise.
That proves it!!!!! The Democrats are all on drugs!!!!!
Tomdrum.....actually you might want to hang on to that happy pill. You'll need it on November 7th.
Happy? ECSTATIC! Pauly-Wally Voucher Boy Ryan and Mitt Offshore Money Romney? WE couldn't have picked a better bunch to represent EVEYTHING THAT IS WRONG with the GOP.
I like the following line that I think I just made up:
EVEN FAUX NEWS CAN'T PUT LIPSTICK ON THAT PIG!
srs,like you knew for sure scott walker would be recalled,nothing is for sure,but if it makes you happy keep believing , and fox news ratings has beat other cable news for over a decade.like them or not they rule the news network
Yeah. Outside money bought that election. I knew Walker would take anything he could get from his corporate cronies but I didn't think it would be TEN TIMES what human beings could raise. There is that. Now that Multi-National Corporations are PEOPLE (who'd a thunk it!), they may BUY the national elections too.
SRS,
what about all the people that had been bused in from out of state to protest? Is that ok to you?
TopDrum... Here are some definitions for you:
Conservative adj. 1. Favoring presevation of the existing order. 2.Moderate; cautious. 3.Traditional
Liberal adj. 1. Favoring individual freedom and nonrevolutionary reform. 2. Broadminded or tolerant. 3. Generous; bountiful.
Must be the "broadminded, generous" parts that get to you, huh?
Neat piece on CNN this morning...it seems that Congressman Ryan is a fan of Rage Against The Machine.
www.cnn.com/2012/08/16/politics/ryan-music-taste/index.html
I'm curious...has the Congressman ever actually taken the time to listen to the lyrics?
As a matter of fact, RATM guitarist Tom Morello just released a song this spring called "Union Town". He drew his inspiration from protesting in Madison, WI over the winter with the public employee unions.
Neat piece in Forbes this week. GM is on the road to bankruptcy. Again. What was all that hoopla about someone "saving GM????"
Oh...you mean the bailout that Mr. Romney said was his idea?
By the way, Congressman voted in favor of loans to GM and Chrysler back in December 2008...but you already knew that.
Gm like Ford and Chrysler have plants all over north America.
Gm is being sued for blocking the sale of Saab to a Chinese car company. The reason they are blocking the sale is due to Saab having access to current car platforms and designs.
The collective sense of desperation, focus on the irrelevant and the invectives in these left wing posts are the best evidence that they are really worried and with very good reason. Any of you want to talk about how Barack plans to deal with the $16 trillion dollar deficit? Of course not, tax returns, dancing horses, dogs on car roofs, banks putting us in chains, a guys wife dieing of cancer, these are the important things that will shape our future aren't they?
Romney needs to release his tax returns for the last ten years, he is hiding the truth, if he's not... then there's no reason not to release his tax returns, period. All faithful, good & honest Christians believe in the motto on our U.S. currency & coinage: 'IN GOD WE TRUST' ---all others must SHOW PROOF and not: Trust me... "I paid at least 13% tax rate".
GOP favors allowing Big Businesses to outsource American workers for Foreign workers (The Hartford Insurance Co comes to mind, ask the Hartford employees that were laid off for Foreign Indian workers, I dare the news media to ask any of them what they think about outsourcing).
GOP favors HIGHER TAXES on the middle class because they know the middle class is the largest single group of US tax payers and they (GOP Government) collect more taxes from them than the poor and wealthy combined!
GOP favors lower taxes, tax shelters and off shore banking for the wealthy.
GOP will never pass the Equal Rights Pay bill, which benefits women receiving the same pay for the same work that men perform.
GOP House (controlled the last two years of congress) failed to create new jobs for the millions of unemployed/laid off American workers because they are too busy trying to defeat president Obama.
GOP Favors privatizing Social Security by allowing Big Businesses to control your investments. Big companies did change retirement plans into cheap 401k plans, which equals ZERO RETIREMENT MONEY because of ponzi schemers, investment brokers skimming off the top (yields earned) with grouped 401k plans which your company invested to unscrupulous brokers, failed businesses - bankruptcies, company mergers and company take over (Romney's Bain) that dismantled businesses.
GOP favors the RYAN/ROMNEY Plan to eliminate Medicare with a voucher system, the voucher (is set at a FIXED rate) will loose value as medical (inflation) costs increase, leaving the patient to pay the remaining total medical bill!
Jac, The IRS has cleared Romney's tax returns so releasing more just gives the left more meaningless items to whine about instead of going with the issues. Outsourcing is a business decision provide the right atmosphere and there is no need for it. The tax code needs revising to eliminate loopholes and a lot of subsidies need to be dropped. Who determines whats fair? I certainly do not think that having the rich pay for the full support of the country is fair. We all share on the countries benefits and should support it. Having just under 50% paying no taxes does not seem right to me. Handing out money to people for doing nothing does not seem right to me. Oh yea, show me where Romney/Ryan gets rid of medicare.
yea, right Jac Ass. Come up with an original thought instead of the garbage Obama and Democrats propaganda.
Try not to look so stupid!
CKSM - wrong. The IRS has cleared nothing about Romney. His taxes have NOT been audited. So, the IRS has NOT cleared them.
Next fallacy?
Obama/Biden 2012
SeekingSanity
Oh here you are. Seeking, would you care to show the official document that says Romneys taxes have not been clear. I believe is just one which has not been filed yet and he is promising to have it done in a few weeks.
You must know Tax cheat Tim G, to make a statement like that. Do you use Turbo Tax also.
My Sister in Florida says that Mitt is up by one. It's just a poll, however when he is suppose to be loosing by a landslide, then it becomes a little telling.
The IRS accepted the returns and hasn't filed charges. I agree.
BUT DID HE TAKE THE AMNESTY for ILLEGAL OFFSHORE MONEY?
He NEVER DENIED IT!
I won't go through the logic, you can search "Sherlock Holmes" and find it, but THE ONLY POSSIBLE REASON he is taking the beating he is taking is because HE COMMITTED A FELONY and only escaped charges by TAKING AN AMNESTY.
So Harry Reid levels the accusation the Romney does not pay taxes with no proof, just an "unnamed" source. Don't you think that the most powerful government agency would have already gone after Romney if he wasn't paying his taxes? Look you don't have to like the tax laws but just because someone uses the laws to lower their tax burden does not make them a tax cheat or a criminal. We all use the tax laws to do this, well at least those of us who pay our taxes and don't freeload off the system. I want to know where are Harry Reid's tax returns for the last 10 years oh right he doesn't want to release them. You know why? He has done exactly the same thing as Romney to decrease his tax burden. To be honest I could care less about seeing the tax returns. we need to fix America and Obama is not the person to do this, he is clueless and does not have America's best interest in mind. If everybody would just stop letting the left leaning media brainwash them and educate themselves on the issues and where each candidate stands on what matters we would be better off.
Couldnt believe two things that happened this morning. 1. MSNBC run an article with the illegals wearing there shirts about breaking the law and loving it. I tsurprised me they would run such an article that didnt put the Messiah in a good light. 2). Only a couple lib racial comments to any conservatives when they were hammering the great new Immigration Laws that the king assigned without going through the congress.
Not many Libs on there, none of the astute , great thinkers that always flood these boards. Must mean they think this is a loser for the Pres!
I honestly cannot picture Wimpy and Whiny Willard as commander in chief. Nor Vaginal Prober Ryan stepping into that office. He reminds me too much of Eddie Munster. His policies for medicare/medicaid are monstrous. If the programs were so good, they would enact them right away. Instead, they wait to stick it to the under 55 crowd.
Oh but you can see Biden as President? Right Brian. What a joke!
I saw Obama as President in 2008 but the man has demonstrated that he is no leader and does not know what he is doing.
I would take Biden over Ryan. Biden is far more experienced in foreign policy. Although, he would shatter any existing records for presidential gaffes! :) SNL would have a field day.
I would take Biden WAY before Ryan. I am from Wisconsin. Ryan is no new face to me. He is a MAJOR EMPTY SUIT. He memorized a couple of Ayn Rand book titles and now, relative to the OTHER GOP LIGHTWEIGHTS LIKE SARAH PALIN, he looks SMART. Believe me, BIDEN WILL DESTROY HIM IN A DEBATE. Even WITHOUT the ammunition Ryan has given him with his 10 TRILLION DOLLAR DEFICIT BUDGET/Giveaway to the banks and insurance companies.
The right bashes the elderly and poor who pay no income taxes but ignore the fact that his 5 trillion tax cut for the rich couldn't be paid for by taxing the poor his 13.9% rate or even 30%. It might be a good talking point for Romneys class warfare strategy but it doesn't make any sense.
I’ve only seen and heard nastiness from just one side of this discussion…….. the incumbent. Why are we hearing this on the local news? I hear the President and his supporters making wild and undignified statements (Causing a women to die – Not paying taxes - Putting Y’all in Chains) and then we see an animated Governor Romney on screen obviously speaking passionately about something….. BUTwhat? No Sound; just the “news anchor” telling us how the rhetoric is ratcheting up. As an Interested Democrat I think we are being manipulated - SHAME ON US.
The causing a woman to die thing was not the president or VP, it was a third party, as much as there are third party ads in this election. I agree it is questionable.
Not paying taxes is also not the president or VP. That was Harry Reid. It is SUPPORTABLE until Romney releases his taxes which may show a FELONY that caused him to take an AMNESTY for OFFSHORE BANK ACCOUNTS that probably took him from NOT PAYING TAXES to PAYING 13%.
The PUTTING YOU ALL IN CHAINS? THAT IS TRUE. 100% If Romney does AS HE SAID and UNSHACKLES THE BANKS, WHERE DO YOU THINK THE SHACKLES WILL GO???
Boston Democrat... "we are being manipulated?" Speak for yourself, pardner. You can't get stepped on unless you lie down.
"A man who does not think for himself does not think at all." Oscar Wilde
"The difference between allegiance and blind allegiance is simple -- it's about putting those critical thinking skills to good use and mindfully analyzing the ethics of a situation before showing support." Krystie Yandoli
You remember "ethics", don't you?
"Can we all just get along'
Obama has failed and repubs never liked social security or medicare to begin with!
Where was all this outrage when the healthcare fight was going on!
2BadpPole
2Bad, I would hope we could, but we have become to divided and unfortunately the only time that we come together is when disaster come upon us. I'm out of Hope and Change!!!! Maybe the next President will be for all Americans.
Concern (?) Citizen... "the next President will be for all Americans." I wouldn't bank on it (no pun intended).
"It makes no difference who you vote for - the two parties are really one party representing four percent of the people." Gore Vidal
Romney 2012
"Outsourcing America since 1984"
FreeThinker... LMAO!
When people who are honestly mistaken learn the truth, they will either cease being mistaken or cease being honest.
Obama/Biden - destroying America since 2008. Three more months!
You keep believing everything Obama and his advisers tell you. Blame Romney for "outsourcing" ...Obama is the "outsourcer in chief" He approves loan guarantees for green energy companies. First Solar gets 1.2 Billion and creates 700 jobs in Malaysia with the money. Solar Reserve gets $737million from Obama's DOE and creates 15 jobs in the US and 500 in Mexicali, Mexico. He appoints GE CEO Jeffrey Inmelt to head his Jobs commission. Inmelt sends 2 of GE's divisions to China leaving Americans in Wisconsin and Tennessee without jobs. GE transfers advanced avionics technology to China and partners with them to build commercial airliners. GE paid no taxes in 2011.
Obama's adviser Robert Gibbs callls Trump a right wing nut job for "auctioning off dinners" for Romney. How many e-mails have you gotten that says "Dinner with Barrack".
Obama and his cronies are two faced liars. I see it and the people who just love the President don't. He is an incompetent wus.
Ron Paul 2012
The media really likes this narrative of 'trench warfare' and a 'down and dirty' campaign, but all news outlets are substantially complicit with this focus. They bear the responsibility of cutting through the noise and asking the relevant questions. The sad fact is that they love to follow up on the latest trash statement either side produces.
Still, in the wake of SCOTUS giving us an election process awash in secret money, I am frankly glad that the Democrats have finally learned to answer back in a timely way the most outrageous of the Republican claims.
I think Republicans are always surprised when Democrats show they can be just as tough as their opponents.
I think you are right!
the dems are finally showing some b-alls and has caught the GOP by surprise!
Where was the outrage during the healthcare debates!!
Ditto!
RoMoney’s state of Massachusetts was 47th out of 50 states to create jobs!
I agree that it is the media's responsibility to cut through the BS and get the candidates talking about issues that matter.
But, when one of the candidates goes on a week-long overseas trip, invites the press corps, and then only answers three questions from reporters the entire week....well, that's the kind of dynamic you're dealing with here.
First I would like say that The Handle " LUCH LIMPBALLS " your killing me .
Secondly .....Romney and Ryan are dead wrong on every issue ,
they are big time LIERS ON EVERY ISSUE .
They intend to gut the government to balance the buget , Any fool could do that ,thats not considered management .
The Federal Govt. is not a business , American Citizens Own the Govt. Its our own special club not to be disbanned by 300 or so Extreamist Fascist Bigots that will be playing to special interest like the wealthy .
Their whole idea of Govt. is misenterpeted ,and mismanaged ,and to sign a pac vowing not to sign on to a bill or law for 4 years is absolutly Treasonist and they should all be arrested ,i dont care who they are ,America would be better for it .
I hear this Romney/Ryan is wrong on every issue, but no one can say what any of those issues are. They are the only one to come up with a budget for the past 3+ years, (a good thing) The want to get the budget under control (anther good thing). They want the Relationship between business and Government to be different. (Government should regulate general business practis/Laws. but not interfear with over-regulation. Government should not be aburden on business, but should not assist perticular ones over others. Government is suposed to serve the people (to protect them, and to make laws protecting the. It is Business that creates jobs, not govenrment. The spending the Governemt is currently doing is a crime. This spending to buy votes, is just plain wrong. The Tax system is also wrong, and Unfair. All should pay the same rate. Not this 10% for some 25% for some and 36% for others, because we know they do not pay those rates, (and some get more money back, then they paid in).
Hi!
My name is Senator Mitch McConnell and I am currently the minority leader in the senate. My sole purpose is the make sure Barack Obama is a one term president. I don't care about the people of Kentucky or for that matter the American people in general. I don't care about the United States of America. All i care about is power and money and I will do whatever it take to achieve that. If the economy goes in the crapper and the country suffers, well that's just collateral damage.
I get paid no matter what I do so F.U.
Signed:
Mitch McConnell (R) Kentucky
Dear Mitch,
Thanks for your hard work.
Sincerely
Soupy Sales
mrriggs That could be said for the whole republican/tea bag party.
You aren't the real Mitch McConnell. I'm on to you, buster brown!
Or Harry Reid or Barbara Boxer or Diane Feinstein or Nancy Pelosi or Charles Schumer or Ted Kennedy...oh he's dead now and only gets half pay. He still has more control in the Senate then we do though. They are not in office for the pay.....it's for the power and what they can get from all the other places that their money comes from. Don't ever think they are in office to help YOU!
mrrig
My name is Senator Mitch McConnell and I am currently the minority leader in the senate. My sole purpose is the make sure Barack Obama is a one term president. I don't care about the people of Kentucky or for that matter the American people in general. I don't care about the United States of America. All i care about is power and money and I will do whatever it take to achieve that. If the economy goes in the crapper and the country suffers, well that's just collateral damage.
That pretty much makes you a liar...like most liberals posting here.
Mrriggs/Smitty Liberials Lie, to get want they want, and will use Any Means Possible To Achieve, There Goal. Thanks for proving my Point So Well.
Dear Senator McConnell,
Thank you. You are on the right course.
Four more years of Barrack Obama will add even more to our deficit (BO's the biggest spender of our money in US presidential history), cause the economy to go from bad to beyond recovery, cause higher unemployment rates, leak more secrets to the press that endanger our troops, allow more illegals to stay in the US while they commit crimes or take jobs from our unemployed, put into play a widely unpopular health care plan that will cause further financial devastation to the tax payers (those of us who are left), play a lot of golf, and go to Hawaii on the taxpayer dime as often as possible (when he's not playing golf).
It is obvious you care about your constituents and would like to boot BO out so the Kentucky unemployment rate has a chance to decrease from 8.3%. And your aim to kick BO to the curb proves you are a patriot and a supporter of all American citizens.
Sincerely,
A Patriotic American Citizen and Voter
Trench warfare? Hell it's been a one sided war for year only the Dems have finally gotten their head in the game. And its about damn time!
A little Head in the Game is a good thing, until you get caught (just ask Monica & Bill). The anal reaming being given to the economy by the democrats though, I just can't see any benefit to that.
Breaking news that should make all Americans feel much more comfy and accepted.
Eric Erickson (WSB radio Atl, GA) announced this morning at approx 10:20 AM that "I have a lot of black friends." This as he was trying to label the Obama campaign as being racist along with others who support Pres Obama.
I feel so much better now knowing this. Especially when you consider that Eric and his WSB buddy Neal Boortz are so well known for their expertise as supreme race-baiters and poster children for the "you people" crowd.
Everyone knows the "you people" crowd, right? Ann Romney came out of the closet recently and made "you people" news when she scolded Americans and said we would not gett to see any more of her hubby's tax returns
Don't we feel good America; Eric Erickson has a bunch of colored buds. Right!
Forgot to mention. I think Herman Cain is Eric Erickson's #1 "black friend". OMG!
This is not a race issue, it is a compentsy issue. Obama is not following his oath to uphold the Constitution. That is the issue.
Obama and the libs need it to be a racial issue campaign. Otherwise, BO will have to defend his abominable fiscal record.
"You people"? Oh yeah, you must be referring to those sad and deluded Obama followers. Interesting that many of them are suffering from BO's presidency with no jobs. But they just keep on believin'.
Guess you could call that loyalty. Or perhaps extreme ignorance and gullibility.
I am so sick of the left and their collective race baiting.
How about this - we on the right will concede that Obama's absolutely horrific performance is totally due to his white blood.
There. Satisfied?
Obama's campaign is exposing the truth about the lying, tax cheating, amoral Romney/Ryan gang...
How is exposing the truth negative?
Romney is making sh*t up and throwing it against the wall...
...Now THAT'S negative!
Romney (and his aristocratic wifey) tells the American people to go take a flying leap, they're not showing us this tax cheat's tax returns...
...But the Obama campaign is being negative as well?
The media continues to be a huge disappointment, covering up for the inadequacies of the hapless, pathological lying, tax dodging, Romney/Ryan gang...
...so the Obama and Romney campaigns have to spend more money with the corporate media scumbags to air...
... the Obama team's expository campaign ads to straighten out Romney lies and expose his shortcomings...
...and in the case of the Romney/Ryan pathological lying tag team their bs...
American Media, DEMAND ROMNEY SHOW HIS TAX RETURNS!!!
You aren't going to change your vote. Your demands are arrogant and stupid. You're either a shill working for SEIU spewing troll-spam or just a brain-dead drone.
I'd like to see Obama's college admission records. I wonder how an American born choomer (by his own addmission), who had less than stellar grades, got into Columbia and Harvard. It would, however, be possible for someone from say.....Kenya. If the American born Barry Soerto lied on his college, grant, and scholarship applications, shouldn't we be told? I think it would be oh so interesting to read what he wrote "back in the day". Wouldn't you?
If I were running for President, and someone accused me of not filing taxes for 10 years, I would just produce the tax returns with a big STFU.
Mitt -- this don't look good.
Hey yosolo, here is what an intelligent, fair-minded individual does. He/she goes straight to the source and reads the Paul Ryan budget plan for him/herself. Why don't you try it, instead of taking sides without sufficient knowledge for supporting the plan or the guys promoting it?
One reason that so many of us intelligent, fair-minded individuals do not listen to Romney or Ryan speak is that Romney, in particular, and Ryan already, flip-flop on the issues according to what audience they are trying to persuade. Are you aware, for instance, that if Ryan backs The Medicare Advantage that Romney promotes, he will be undermining his own Budget plan in reference to Medicare? Bet you didn't know that. Don't have to listen to anyone saying it, either. Just read the plans and figure it out for yourself as so many of us intelligent, fair-minded individuals are doing.
BTW, by referring to Obama statements as a "propaganda machine," you really do undermine your own positioning as an intelligent, fair-minded individual.
Below is the calculation of 394 Polls put together
Pollster Estimate
Currently tracking 394 polls
Updated 6 minutes ago
No is not Fox but but rather Huffington which is a left source,
Here is the link.
http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/2012-general-election-romney-vs-obama#!mindate=2011-08-16
Romney/Ryan 2012.
Lee,
That's probably the reason you're not running for President......
Obama and his cronies have never showed their information so why should Romney? It should be about Obama's record which is nothing but raising the deficit and lowering our credit rating. Throwing money away in a misguided stimulus package which he gave to a lot of his supporters. Campaigning on the tax payers money and screwing up international relations. Obamacare will bankrupt the nation it's cost just keeps rising from what he said it would cost. He over rules migration law so he can garner more votes. He is dangerous to everyone in the USA.
concerned citizen,good post
bws #26.8
migration law? lololololol
obviously you are concerned with the migration laws imposed upon kuckoo birds such as yourself.
If you lived as close to the border you would see the migration of the criminals to this country too....hundreds everyday....not just the 8-10 that the feds want you to think. They have trails as wide as most highways and water stations out there from the ignorant liberals.
Let's see Obama college transcripts and thesis first! The thesis should be public record as it's for an advanced degree that you demonstrate an advancement of your field of study? Can't hardly demonstrate and advancement of your field of study if nobody can see it.
Romney has shown the number of tax returns required. As far as tax dodging, how many Americans don't fudge their tax returns. Are you willing to publish yours? I don't think you should be able to shelter your money oversees, but if it's legal why shouldn't anybody do it.
Realist,
Romney has provided 1 tax return that was incomplete. He promised to provide another once it was filed.
You must not be very old given the idiotic statements that you are making.
No thank you. I don't listen to lunatics.
scummy johns
posted,
"You aren't going to change your vote...You're either a shill working for SEIU spewing troll-spam or just a brain-dead drone."
Why in the he*l would I want to change my vote when I'm 10000% sure that I'm on the correct side of this fight?
I'm a true believer that with a filibuster-proof Democratic Congress, President Obama will lead America into a gloriously prosperous era, where all intelligent, decent, fair and open-minded Americans can work together to raise this wonderful experiment to the lofty heights the rhetorical flourishes of America's greatest minds often referred to over the country's development...
...but in order to accomplish this...
....we have to decidedly and forcefully repudiate the less evolved among us...(that'd be you scummy johns, and your racist, Confederate kind!)
What have the Romney/Ryan lied about? They mentioned Obama's taking 714 Trillion dollars out of medicare, (fact) to put into Obama care. Reid saying Romney didn't pay taxes for 10 years. (the IRS would have him in prison so fast if that was true for even 1 year). The charge that Romney Killed a woman because of Bain. (one he was not with Bain when see lost her insurance. second whe did have insurance from another insurance company when she died.) Showing Ryan pushing the old lady off the cliff, Ryan's plan does not effec anyone over 55 year old. Biden saying Republicans would put blacks in chains, this after Thousands of Republicans died giving freedom to blacks, while thousands of Democrats died trying to keep them inslaved. It is the Liberials that are doing the negive ads/lies. I aggee with bigpapa in that you have to listen to each side and decide. So far the facts speak for themselves for anyone that looks and listens for the truth.
Obama had 2 years with a democrat controlled House, Senate, and Presidency. He Passed Obamacare and Dodd/Frank, Both are proving to be job killers. Things didn't stableize until the Republicans gaind control of the House. Then Obama started to use Excut. Orders to pass his agenda (something that is Congresses job, since we do not live in a dictorship (at least not susposed to). Only FDR's ressession has proven worse, although we would have to give him 6 more years to see if he manages to out do FDR for the worst recovery program.
If tax cuts = job growth where are the jobs? The Bush tax cut extensions adds $300 billion to our national debt every year. $70 billion per year of it goes to Romney's friends. So we have initially subsidized the wealthy to the tune of over $210 billion and yet the unemployment rate as not dropped, where is our return on investment?
In Jan 2010 seven Republican Senators co-signed a bill to create a Senate Sub Committee to reduce the deficit, and when Obama agreed that this was a good idea these very same Senators voted against the bill they co-signed. Why? Because a Senate sub committee would require a vote in the Senate, one that Republicans dare not vote for since it might have included tax increases. The Republican Congress is not interested in what is good for the Country. They would rather ruin it so they may have a Republican President to do what W. Bush did. Ruin the economy period.
Why, because we hate poor people getting entitlements for free. Is this a good reason to ruin the economy or what?