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Subscribe to RSSThe Daily Rundown's Chuck Todd explains how the Obama campaign will take on the Romney-Ryan ticket.
From the moment Mitt Romney announced House Budget Committee Chairman Paul Ryan as his vice presidential running mate, the campaign debate has been full of charges and countercharges over some of the congressman's proposals on Medicare and the budget.
What are the facts? Here’s a guide to Ryan’s budget and his ideas for remaking Medicare.
If you are 65 years old or older and now receiving Medicare benefits, would Ryan’s Medicare proposal affect you? If so, how would it affect you?
No – if you’re receiving Medicare benefits now, Ryan’s proposal would not affect you.
His plan would gradually increase Medicare’s eligibility age from 65 to 67. But his phased-in increase in eligibility age wouldn’t start until 2023, 11 years from now.
Also starting in 2023, Ryan’s proposal would do away with Medicare’s open-ended payment system which now covers most medical costs for seniors. Ryan would limit Medicare spending for those born in 1958 and later, that is, people who turn 65 in 2023 or later.
People who turn 65 in 2023 or later years would get payments from the federal government to help them purchase private insurance; the payments would be higher for low-income people and lower for high-income people; they’d also be higher for sicker people and lower for healthier people.
The payments could grow over time no faster than the nominal annual growth rate in per capita Gross Domestic Product, plus 0.5 percentage points, but they might not keep pace with the increase in the cost of medical care.
Democrats have been on the offensive ever since Paul Ryan was announced as Mitt Romney's vice presidential pick. Gov. Bobby Jindal, R-La., responds to attacks from the left over Ryan's budget plan.
So Ryan’s proposal would not have any effect on seniors, that is, on people who are now receiving Medicare?
His Medicare proposal would not affect today’s seniors.
But – and this is a crucial point – Ryan’s proposal for another federal program – Medicaid, the joint federal-state health insurance program for the poor – would have an impact on those seniors who rely on Medicaid to help pay for nursing home care.
As the Kaiser Family Foundation has noted, “Medicaid is the nation’s largest source of coverage for long-term care, covering more than two-thirds of all nursing home residents” and the elderly and disabled “account for roughly two‐thirds of (Medicaid) spending.”
Ryan proposes to convert the federal portion of Medicaid into grants to each state, allowing each to tailor its Medicaid program to its own population’s needs.
The federal payments to the states would be indexed both to the inflation rate and to the growth in state population. But overall federal outlays on Medicaid would be cut by roughly one-fifth over ten years.
According to an assessment by the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office (CBO), the spending path as designed by the Ryan’s plan might allow states to “improve the efficiency” of Medicaid in delivering health care to low-income people. But “even with significant efficiency gains,” states would need to increase their spending on Medicaid, CBO said, (and perhaps raise taxes in order to do that) or “make considerable cutbacks” in Medicaid.
“Cutbacks might involve reduced eligibility for Medicaid” or lower payments to health care providers, “or increased cost-sharing by beneficiaries – all of which would reduce access to care.”
If you are 45 years old how would Ryan’s Medicare proposal affect you?
The Daily Rundown's Chuck Todd is joined by Obama campaign adviser Robert Gibbs to discuss Mitt Romney's running mate and his stance on Medicare.
Since Ryan’s proposal, if enacted, would limit Medicare spending for those born in 1958 and later, a person who is 45 years old today would – once he or she became eligible for Medicare – receive benefits that would be less generous or less comprehensive than those now enjoyed by today’s Medicare recipients.
And since Ryan wants to gradually increase the age at which people are eligible for Medicare, a 45-year-old would need to wait longer to get covered by Medicare.
If Ryan’s Medicare plan became law, then starting in 2023, the CBO said, “Most elderly people would pay more for their health care than they would pay under the current Medicare system.”
What’s Ryan’s argument for treating future retirees – those born in 1958 and later – less generously than today’s Medicare recipients?
Ryan says the future costs for Medicare and Medicaid are unsustainable and will lead to tax and debt burdens that will be unbearable.
“We need to preempt and avert a debt crisis” which would force immediate cuts in Medicare and other programs, he told NBC’s David Gregory last year on Meet the Press. “And the way we propose to do that is do it on our terms and prevent people who are currently retired and people about to retire from having severe disruptions in their lives.”
Republicans have charged that President Barack Obama’s health care overhaul is now cutting Medicare spending by more than $700 billion. Obama, not Ryan, is the one hurting seniors, they say. Is this true and if so, are Obama’s Medicare “cuts” similar to or different from Ryan’s proposed reductions in future Medicare spending?
According to the CBO, if Obama’s health care law were repealed, then $711 billion in reductions in Medicare spending over the 2013–2022 period would not occur.
Even Obama campaign spokeswoman Stephanie Cutter on CBS’s Face the Nation Sunday referred to “the $700 billion cuts in Medicare that the president achieved through health care reform.” She said these cuts are “taking subsidies away from insurance companies, taking rebates away from prescription drug companies.”
But that’s not where all of the cost savings will come from: a significant portion of the $711 billion will come from curbing payments to hospitals and other health care providers. Other cuts may be ordered by the Independent Payment Advisory Board, an outside group mandated by the Affordable Care Act.
In contrast to Ryan’s future reductions (starting in 2023) Obama’s reductions in Medicare spending are taking place now – at least the Affordable Care Act orders them to occur and the CBO assumes they will occur.
But it is too soon to judge whether these reductions are providing the same level of care to seniors as before, but simply providing it more efficiently, or whether some seniors are getting (or will get) inferior care as a result of these reductions.
Republican national chairman Reince Priebus said on Meet the Press that Mitt Romney “appreciates and admires the work and the ideas that Paul Ryan has done. But Mitt Romney has his own plan” to reform Medicare. What is that plan?
As presented on Romney’s campaign web site, his proposal – although not fully detailed – includes most of the same ideas Ryan has proposed: not changing benefits for anyone now retired or close to retirement. But for future retirees, he would change Medicare from an open-ended payment system into one in which future beneficiaries would get a payment from the government to buy insurance coverage.
Romney’s proposal says, “If seniors choose more expensive plans, they will have to pay the difference between the support amount and the premium price; if they choose less expensive plans, they can use any leftover support to pay other medical expenses like co-pays and deductibles
Is Ryan’s budget plan, which was OK’d by the House last March, now in effect?
No, it isn’t. The House approved Ryan’s fiscal year 2013 budget resolution in March by a vote of 228 to 191, with no Democrats voting for the proposal and 10 Republicans voting against it. But the Senate has not adopted any budget resolution for FY 2013, which begins on Oct. 1. So in the coming fiscal year, as in the current fiscal year, Congress will operate without any budget. But spending will of course continue.
Apart from turning Medicaid over to the states and redesigning Medicare for future retirees, what else would Ryan’s FY 2013 budget proposal do?
It would cut overall spending by about 12 percent over the ten-year budget window, as compared to the spending plan proposed by Obama; it would cut cumulative deficits by more than 50 percent. Among other things it would limit federal aid to college students and concentrate it on lower income students.
Does Ryan want to cut taxes for rich people, as Democrats charge, and if so by how much?
His FY 2013 budget proposal seeks to have only two income tax rates: 10 percent and 25 percent. The current top income tax rate is 35 percent – so this rate reduction could mean a tax cut for some people -- but Ryan also says he wants to “broaden the tax base” and get rid of “the burdensome tangle of loopholes that distort economic activity” by abolishing many tax breaks. He hasn’t specified which ones he’d seek to eliminate.
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I don't blame you, if Obama and the gang get their hands on our health care and retirement monies, we can all expect the same type of crappy service you vets get from the VA, piss poor at best. I'll bet you would rather be able to take your money and go to a private facility any day.
Romney would kill the military. Outsource them to Red China and Ryan already proved he hates the VA.
More inane drivel from dal
Trying to pretend you believe vets would be better of under Romney who proposes a blanket 20% cut to all social services including vets? Shame on you. You clearly don't care about vets you only want to get votes for your guy whether it's in their best interest or not.
WASHINGTON, D.C. (WKOW) -- President Barack Obama unveiled his $3.55 trillion budget Thursday morning, which includes tax cuts for the middle class and the wealthy.
His budget includes:
The President's 2013 Budget is built around the idea that our country does best when everyone gets a fair shot, does their fair share, and plays by the same rules.
"PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS"
Do you understand what a pursuit is? When cops pursue someone, that means they are actually, physically chasing AKA working towards their goal.
Nowhere does anything say anything about lowering standards "to the lowest common denominator"
Bruce....that budget was so bad that it did not get one Democratic vote....a good troll would find something else to crow about....maybe all the new oil Obama has found opening up all that public ground and off shore area's...you know, oil production is higher now than when he took office....forget about his "it takes over 3 years to put new finds online"...then it would be Bush's credit.
Keep dreaming Bruce. There hasn't been a signed budget by this President ever. The first time in history and he had a democratice senate and house for 2 years.
The republicans can almost feel it. The end of social security. The end of medicare. The end of medicade. The end of unemployment insurance. The end of worker rights.
The end of business regulation. The end of environmental protections. The end of consumer rights.
Contempt we do not need a rich guy like Romney who takes public aide.
You a union hack Justa?
ContemptMe, it is the republican wet dream.
So would begin the second American Revolution. Like Mao once said, power (or in this case, change) is only going to come at the end of a barrel.
http://www.usdebtclock.org/
Ok so how are we suppose to correct the debt? The Gov can't even keep up with the interest.
Social Security has no money at all in its trust fund-just IOUs and the Gov has to borrow more money to keep that afloat. Medicare will run out of money as well I believe by 2024. How are you going to shore up a moribund system? By borrowing more money? From where? China?
Change-or die.
Reagan Adviser Bartlett: "Bush Is More Responsible" For "The Current Budget Deficit." In a June 12 post on the New York Times' Economix blog, former Reagan and George H. W. Bush adviser Bruce Bartlett called the Republican claim that "all increases in the debt or deficit" since his inauguration are President Obama's fault "is, of course, nonsense" because "[George W.] Bush is more responsible." From The New York Times:
Giving welfare to the rich has not been working. Romney and his failures can not help
Bruce, You don't have your facts straight!! WOW!
Wow, we really like to fight. National Health Care would solve everything.
With a national system we would have no need for medicare, they would be covered. We would not need medicaid, they would be covered. We would not need private insurance, they would be covered. We would not need so much in social security.
Doctors would not need malpractice insurance. Instead of all doctors paying for insurance, the country would just take care of those few that are injured by doctors. A much smaller number than the amount of doctors that pay for costly insurance. It would be much cheaper to care for the injured than trying to insure against being injured. And the government could revoke the license of bad doctors, insuring that the good ones stay. Maybe a program of retraining or a second chance if the doctors show progress.
We could lower auto insurance if all medical was covered by the nation.
My employer alone would save $1000 a month if they didn't have to pay into my medical insurance. And I would have another $400 every month back in my paycheck. That works out to $16800 every year just from my life.
At $1400 each month, using my employment as a base, and taking into account US population and the unemployment rate, so about 280 million workers, thats, $392 billion per month in revenue to fund National Health Care.
Lets cut that in half, everyone puts in $700 a month, and pays lower car insurance, their employer doesn't pay anything and doctors don't pay malpratice insurance so their costs can go down. That works out to 196 billion each month, or $2.352 trillion dollars per year funding a national system.
Since health care in 2010 accounted for $2.6 trillion which included a lot of money going out to profits on the insurance side of things, $2.352 trillion should do nicely, but it would be a big so sorry to the insurance companies. Which is why national health care will never happen, the insurance companies would be pretty much down and out.
That looks good if it were privately managed but take the post office as a guide....do you really want the same bureaucrats running your health care.
The post office runs on its own income, not tax dollars. It is falling short due to legislation that requires it to prefund decades of benefits. You have no idea what losing the postal service would mean to businesses which use it for billing and marketing.
You could also ask yourself why do we have to subsidize the electric and gas utilities when the private market said they could do it better and cheaper than when they were public utilities. Seems like subsides would mean the private market can't do it better and cheaper without tax dollars.
Did you forget about the carbon tax plan by Obama, your rates were headed for a 60% increase had that passed and he is on tape acknowledging it.
The pension funding by the post office, should be done...unless you want someone later to pay for it. As for businesses, they do not operate like government....they adjust to market conditions or go broke...the post office does not....you forget, the plan they are operating under is theirs...now they want a change to let their pensions slide for later funding...businesses work on pay now or go away basis....eliminate the subsidies/taxes including unfunded ones and watch the economy grow.
Considering that the oil, gas and coal industries have been around for quite a long time, you would have to consider them fully mature industries. They should not need subsidizing in today's market place, unless they themselves were operating to maximize short term profits before longevity of the business. Specially if you consider the disadvantage newer forms of energy production would be at due to existing infrastructure supporting decades old industries. It would make more sense to subsidize burgeoning technology instead of undermining it by subsidizing mature industries.
Sure, prefunding some benefits is a good idea, but not at the levels the postal service is currently required to fund.
Some businesses go broke, others get bailed out at the expense of our national debt, then complain about being taxed.
1. LIES OF THE YEAR BY DEMOCRATS.......LOOKS LIKE THEY'VE BEEN CAUGHT AGAIN!!
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2011/dec/20/lie-year-democrats-claims-republicans-voted-end-me/
Says Majority Leader Eric Cantor called for "abolishing Social Security and Medicare."
Americans United for Change on Thursday, March 31st, 2011 in a news release.
Americans United for Change says Eric Cantor wants to abolish Social Security and Medicare
FALSE!!!!
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2011/apr/01/americans-united-change/americans-united-change-says-eric-cantor-wants-abo/
2. The newly proposed House Republican budget "abolishes Medicare within 10 years."
MoveOn.org on Wednesday, April 6th, 2011 in an email blast to supporters
MoveOn.org says proposed House Republican budget abolishes Medicare in 10 years
FALSE!!!!
http://www.politifact.com/wisconsin/statements/2011/apr/11/moveon/moveonorg-says-proposed-house-republican-budget-ab/
3. "Seniors will have to find $12,500 for health care because Republicans voted to end Medicare."
Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee on Monday, April 18th, 2011 in a Web ad
Democrats say Republicans voted to end Medicare and charge seniors $12,000PANTS ON FIRE LIE!!!!
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2011/apr/20/democratic-congressional-campaign-committee/democrats-say-republicans-voted-end-medicare-and-c/
4. The Paul Ryan budget proposal would leave the country "without Medicare."
Throw-granny-from-the-cliff ad asks what the U.S. would be “without Medicare"
FALSE!!!!
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2011/may/25/agenda-project/throw-granny-cliff-asks-what-country-would-be-with/
5. Democratic Wisconsin state Rep. Sandy Pasch says GOP U.S. Rep. Paul Ryan’s budget plan would end health care for seniors
PANTS ON FIRE LIE!!!!
http://www.politifact.com/wisconsin/statements/2011/jun/10/sandy-pasch/democratic-wisconsin-state-rep-sandy-pasch-says-go/
6. U.S. Sen. Sherrod Brown's campaign warns there is a Republican plan to end Medicare
FALSE!!!!
http://www.politifact.com/ohio/statements/2011/jun/27/sherrod-brown/us-sen-sherrod-browns-campaign-warns-there-republi/
7. Vice President Joe Biden says Rep. Paul Ryan’s budget proposal would eliminate Medicare in 10 years
FALSE!!
http://www.politifact.com/wisconsin/statements/2011/sep/07/joe-biden/vice-president-joe-biden-says-rep-paul-ryans-budge/
downtown
WSJ.com has many detailed articles on the facts like Romney hood fairy tale and a detailed summary of Bain involvement with GSI in Kansas city-Article, Vampire Capitalism Please.
Are you calling the LEFT LEANING POLITIFACT.COM LIARS??
Only Liars...are Obama and his democratic ILK.
KingK told me no one would care Romney owned an aborted fetus disposal company. Really King? Romney made 75 million off of dead babies and you just said you were "ok" with it. These people are scary
dal
Please keep posting your drivel. The more you post the more votes it means for Romney.
Dal,
You can really be slow... think about it...before you say something that 'slow', you're making liberals look really 'slow'...give it some thought.
Is Ryan going to restore the 700 billion Obama stole from medicare?
No, Romney is when he repeals Obamacare as promised.
common clown...
Could you explain why when a Republican cuts in a program it is finding waste, fraud, and abuse....but when a Democrat does it, it is "stealing"?
What program has any Dem ever cut. All they do is borrow from one to fund another and then turn around, when the money runs out, and borrow from China and put US, our kids and grandchildren in debt to pay for it all.
Casting a bad shadow on the Dr title with that post....thinking you need to write yourself a new prescription Doc?
New Poll Shows Huge Paul Ryan Bounce with Independents and Seniors
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/post/positive-views-of-ryan-jump-higher-after-pick/2012/08/13/32251614-e55b-11e1-9739-eef99c5fb285_blog.html
http://www.washingtonpost.com/rf/image_606w/WashingtonPost/Content/Blogs/the-fix/StandingArt/2012-08-12%20Paul%20ryan%20fave%20change.jpg?uuid=5CDu2uVeEeGHQZQOP22_SA
Yes, they are seeing through the lies now that Obama is being forced to talk about substance instead of distraction and distortion. And it will only get bigger as the campaign rolls on.The truth, Facts and specific plans are going to kill Mr.Obama a/k/a Mr. Empty Rhetoric.
any senior who votes for the gop needs to be thrown out into the streets, they obviously are willing to take and rape the rest of us, but when its our turns who supported their sorry a$$es they throw us under the bus, sounds like the gop pure rapist and pulanders raping the rest of us to have their greedy ways at our expense
YOU are a troll and obviously you cannot READ.
Gallup: Seniors Most Favorable To Ryan Budget
http://hotlineoncall.nationaljournal.com/archives/2011/04/gallup-seniors.php
DownTown...
Do you even read the links you attach....
Everyone else OTHER than seniors favor the Obama approach by a 23 point margin (this is even using the National Review's information you cited). I would hardly call that a policy win in your column!
Did you even READ the TITLE OF THE LINK??
Probably not..you liberal education FAILED YOU.
A new Gallup/USA Today poll contains a counterintuitive finding: the age group most receptive to House Budget Chair Paul Ryan's plan to deal with the budget - seniors.
The poll finds 48 percent of seniors (those 65 and over) support Ryan's plan over President Obama's plan, while 42 percent back the president.
romney gop ryan limbaugh hanity hopefully their is a very very special place in hell, all for you and everyone who supports you, because thats where you all belong for what you are doing to our poor our elderly and the worst thing is your not doing it to build bridges, jobs, or anything else your doing it to give huge tax cuts for the top who dont need it, romney hood, may God judge you all wisely you all deserve it
Wow!
Paul Ryan's Mom is a senior who lives in Florida and is on Medicare!
Go figure the liberal lies in a full force tailspin today :)
CBS News 60 MINUTES....Cut that segment from the RYAN INTERVIEW....
Democrats and the their liberal media are now running scared.
Right now, insurance rates are set WITHOUT the majority of the elderly in the insurance pools thanks to Medicare....and private insurance is already way overpriced. Can you imagine what will happen to rates once all the elderly with health concerns are dumped onto the market....insurance rates will skyrocket.
Even with that, according to Ryan...a senior will get a voucher to buy that skyrocketing insurance on the private market that will cover a miniscule portion.
The GOP has been talking 'death panels' for years now.....here they are...being brought to you by Paul Ryan.
they dont care, they dont even care if they are denied because of preexisting conditions all they care about is their greedy selfish selves, the way they are face it
Find me anyone that has been denied healthcare in the US. Check around and check even the illegals..you can not. Do not give us a national healthcare system that costs trillions and does not cover what we are covering now at a cost of less than $1000/ family in paying for EMR treatment. Obamacare is a two trillion dollar solution that does nothing to curb costs and it will not stop the EMR use.
It will build a big government bureaucracy with big salaries and pensions all for added costs that are never to be removed nor changed once the program is enacted. Obamacare will make all decisions based on the common costs good and not the individual good....except for the rich and the elite, they will have separate coverage.... and they will be considered on an individual need basis...but of course they know what is good for us.
If we fine tuned the current system, provided more access instead of more money for government, we might start lowering costs. Just getting legal costs down through tort reform would go a long way to re-organizing the system, but that does not increase government, does it? If the goal were better and greater access for more people, the Obamacare plan would be near the bottom as a real solution...but once the goal is government power and control...it becomes THE partisan plan forced through Congress using LA buyout, free care for NB, a Medicare Advantage program only available to FL, a new health facility in MA....and who knows what else to buy votes.
Obamacare stinks as much as the process took to get it passed and we should all vote for anyone opposing the process and will repeal the bill.
Warning
Our patriots fought for our freedom against the Anarchy of King George and a capital free market Republic was formed.
What our country is today is an Corporate Capitalism Society where government protects the interest and dominance of established corporations thus destroying competition and the free market system.
Democrats and Republicans are both guilty of this and Corporate Capitalism is an MARXIST CONCEPT.
Lets quit slamming each other on the blogs and inform our representatives to stop supporting MARXISM.
capitalism and marxism are totall opposites please make sense
A health economy only exists when the money flows around. When the money stops flowing, capitalism is dead.
There are two ways to keep the money flowing, private companies send money back into the system through paychecks to workers, or the government sends tax dollars back into the system though paychecks to workers.
When the private market isn't hiring, you have to hope tax dollars are there to flow around.
What happens when the government is being strangled and doesn't have the revenue to send back into the economy, and the private market isn't hiring.
I guess capitalism just stops for a while.
From James Pethakoukis at the American Enterprise Institute
3 things every voter should know about Paul Ryan's Medicare Plan
1. No one over the age of 55 would be affected in any way.
2. Traditional Medicare fee-for-service would remain available for all. “Premium support”—that is, government funding of private insurance plans chosen by individuals—is an option for those who choose it. No senior would be forced out of the traditional Medicare program against his will.
3. Overall funding for Medicare under the Ryan-Wyden plan is scheduled to grow at the same rate as under President Obama’s proposals. Is this “gutting Medicare” and “ending Medicare as we know it”? In reality, it’s the market giving seniors cheaper, higher quality choices they can take if they wish, with the traditional program remaining an option.
so that give a a$$ wipe like you the basic excuse to end medicaree because it basically doesnt effect current ssi members obviously a a$$ wipe like you never supported the system that has worked for years and years, obviously a a$$ wipe like you would end it now if they could, what idiot would trust anyone like you who on your own account hate the program and always have to begin with, people should be smart and spit in a idiots face like you, the true taliban the true terriorist destroying america and taking us back to the pre 1930's racist hartful starvif people gop depression days, the pre fdr days the current gop
Not a troll
When government protects the interests and dominance of established corporations destroying the competition from small business and the free market- that concept is called corporate capitalism
Corporate capitalism is an Marxist idea- government and select corporations working together to dominate the market
go take a look at the Karl Marx Model
Saturday in Norfolk we saw two people who don't like the situation we've found American in with our current team of Obama/Biden...
Who are focused and determined to not accept 8.3% Unemployment Rate
Not willing to let American be seen as second rate as we are under Team Obama/Biden
Two people........not willing to stand before America and make excuses, point fingers and play the Blame Game as Team Obama/Biden have
And two people.......who are truly committed to bringing our Economy back, creating true jobs and bringing our people back together......unlike the division we've seen coming from Team Obama/Biden
If we all become more successful, have jobs and can support our families, unlike under Team Obama/Biden that's a winner
All Team Obama/Biden is offering now.....in comparison to their broken promises of 2008.......is Fear, Scare Tactics, Lies, and attacks.
Not a good record to run on so it's understandable but very transparent.
New Team, Clean Slate, No Excuses, Moving Forward...for real
Paul Ryan says old people are too expensive. They should be sacrificed so the rich can receive additional large tax breaks. His Granny would understand.
Post the link where Ryan said that?
His own mother is on Medicare!!
You cannot be that stupid....or wait...maybe you can.
Too bad you are too dumb or lazy to understand, but that is probably why you voted for Obama last time around. Can you sight any facts to support your emotional drivel?
Paul Ryan's Mom is a senior who lives in Florida and is on Medicare!
Go figure the liberal lies in a full force tailspin today :)
And CBS CUT THAT portion OUT of their interview on Sunday with Paul Ryan....liberals and their shlock media are running scared.
Old people are lazy freeloaders and need to get a job.
Romney/Ryan 2012
Your not good at this at all. No one is going to believe your a Romney supporter or someone from the right because it is only the Left that makes statements such as that claiming that is how the right feels.
Oh well its your own credibility your destroying.
I bet it just killed MSNBC to have to print all those truths about Ryan's budget plans.
Of course that wont stop those on the Left from declaring the Conservatives, Republicans, Ryan, etc., are trying to destroy Medicare, and throw "Grandma over the Cliff".
I am curious though. If its worth saving then how come we haven't heard a plan from the Democrats about how they are going to save it, no budgets in four years, etc?
The Dems claim they are trying to save Medicare and yet they have produced nothing, no plans, no budgets, and yet its Republicans that are actually putting proposals out there on how to save it?
Maybe its not really Ryan's Plan that they don't like so much as it is the fact that the Democrats pretend to be the defenders of Medicare, Social Security, the Poor , etc. and can't come up with a single proposal, plan, or budget to save any of those programs...
The Democrats couldn't even save our economy which is why 3.8 years into Obama's Presidency Unemployment is .4% higher than when He took office. With a success rate like that do you really want the Democrats trying to save Medicare and SS?
The Democrats have stolen 500 Billion from Medicare to pay for Obamacare, and for the Last two years Medicare has lost 2% of Tax Revenues because the Dems decided to cut taxes on it to try and prop up their failed economy.
Does it sound like the Dems are trying to save Medicare?
it's toooo much work to expect Obama to come up with a plan. That is why his campaign is focused on negative ads and empty rhetoric. That is why he is going to lose. He doesn't have the plans or details to back up anything he says.
To all the supposed fiscal hawks out there....could you please explain to me the enamour with Ryan when he was the guy who was on the Bush budget committee that decided to leave the wars off the budget, the Medicare Part D Drug Company giveaway off the budget, hid the effects of the tax cuts on the debt ....and....has a budget that adds $11 trillion to the debt over 10 years.
This is your fiscal wizard? It only takes a few minutes to look into Ryan's history to find out he is just another corporate stooge that doesn't give two ***** about the debt/deficit.
Politifact.com, the WashingtonPost.com and others are dis-agreeing with you.
Dr's gone over the edge with the other liberals in panic mode....he needs new meds....quick :)
DownTown....
Are you denying his involvement during the Bush years and his "work" on the budget committee? Are you denying his overall budget numbers?
All4...
I don't quite understand why pointing out simple facts is considered "panic mode"?!
I, for one, cannot wait for this debate these next 80 days or so....be it Ryan's ties to Bush and those failures, his extreme budget, or Romney's refusual to take a stand on anything except NOT handing over tax returns....this will be fun.
This is no different than the exhaltation you clowns felt in 2008 when Sarah Palin was picked....granted, Ryan has a bit more on the ball than she did, but, he has a history that cannot be hidden.
Ryan was not any leader in the house...until 2010.....DEMOCRATS HAD CONTROL OF CONGRESS FROM 2007 UNTIL the elections of 2010.....
WHERE HAVE YOU BEEN??
8.3% Unemployment Rate and rising
$4.00 a gallon gas and rising
100 Million on Government Assistance - The most in American History and rising
Just the facts? The facts of the failed Obama "O-conomy"?
doctor
Ryan regrets some of the mistakes he made during the Bush Era and I have been informing representatives in the house to repeal one of those mistakes HR2309.
That was the 2006 bill forcing the Postal Service to fund its benefits years in advance.
Postal service operates like a private enterprise receiving no subsidies from the government and is now financially struggling due to the combination of the bill and reduced revenues caused by electronic mail.
Ryan needs to be far more specific about his plan. Is there a website that gives full details? For example, my daughter is 40 and has been contributing to SS/Medicare for nearly twenty years. Does she automatically go into a voucher system? What about the money she has been contributing for years? Does her retirement age change? What if she has a pre-existing condition when she retires? Will the voucher be enough to cover higher insurance rates? I am 63 and will, presumably be unaffected by changes, but that does not mean that I will accept unexplained/presumptive changes for my children. If some part of SS money is privatized, who will be investing that money? Individual or a committee? What if the individual has less than a HS education? How will that person's money be protected? Too many questions to support Romney/Ryan at this point.
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Your daughter, like me and many others will have the privilege of paying more into social security than she will ever hope to receive in benefits. What if God forbid she dies before she reaches retirement age? She loses it all if her dependents are over 18. The question has changed a lot over the years and the answers to the questions are not really something the people who are trying to scare the voters want to address seriously.
Janitor
Ryan has more specifics on his website in pdf form and of course with all proposals it is debated and compromised except with do nothing Reid not taking the responsibility to look at Ry ans plan.
If Reid and his buddies don,t like some of the provisions, it can be amended,debated, and given back to the house for approval.
This is how the executive brances are suppose to work by the Constitution. By Reid not doing nothing violates those rules and I hope Nevada residents realize the big mistake they made.
Even the democrats in the senate have tried to get Reid to open up and look at the proposals with no avail.
Reid is one of the most irresponsible senators I have witnessed.
I am 47 and have been paying for medicare and medicaid and social security since I started working full time at 17. Medicare/Medicaid is already spending more than it's taking in. Social Security will run out of money in 2035 without an infusion of 6.8 TRILLION dollars in the next 5 years. Unfortunately if some changes aren't made now. There will be NO benefits for people our ages when we retire.
"The budget proposal and whats in it for me." I am sorry I am not for sale as cheaply as the average whore at msnbc. The question we should have at this time is what is best for the country? What will be the best for our children and grandchildren. Will they be able to afford the schemes of the partisan fools and their cheerleaders in the media? We have put off the hard choices for far too long the chickens have come home to roost.
As a senior citizen 3 years away from medicare there is no way in h@@l that I would believe anything that Mitt Romney or Paul Ryan or any other republican would say about medicare are any other issues. Remember the republican montra is to make the President a one term President and give excessive tax cuts to the wealthy. Occasionally I have to hold my nose and watch fox so called news so that I can get the lies of the day. Sorry repubs but this senior citizen is not buying your bs.
NG....we see what believing the lies of Obama/Biden have delivered our people young and old after 4 years.
Paul Ryan's Mom is a senior who lives in Florida and is on Medicare!
Go figure the liberal lies in a full force tailspin today :)
Yeah, there are always a few who refuse to deal with facts, but cling to emotional drivel, no matter how bad it will hurt them, their kids and grandchildren.
Tell US, what is the Obama plan for medicare, social security, stopping deficit spending, stopping debt building, stopping unfair trade, utilizing our energy resources while expanding other sources of energy, reforming the tax code, middle class tax rates, etc...etc...? If you can tell US it will be a miracle, because Mr. Obama has put forth no such plans.
nola girl, as a resident of Illinois there is no way in hell I am going to believe anything the corrupt partisans from my home state are spewing. He and his pals oozed out of the most corrupt political swamp in the country and would do and say anything to further their chances of winning. I don't believe any of them but I do know the country is going broke and we need to do something about it and the rich don't have enough money to fix it.
nola girl
I don't buy the news either.
That's why I look at the proposals and the CBO analysis for starters.
Ryan plan has 2 tax rates 10% below $250,000 and 25% above $250,000 and it also removes a lot of loop holes. so you say you are not buying the BS on the news and yet you are accusing one party of giving tax breaks to the rich which is a biased media lie.
Obama is in a hell of a lot of trouble now that he is being forced to talk about actual plans and specifics and his lies are being laid bare for all to see.