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Vice President Joe Biden speaks at the Disabled American Veterans National Convention in Las Vegas Saturday, Aug. 4, 2012.
As Mitt Romney’s supporters and his Democratic opponents anxiously wait for him to announce his running mate, a glance back at history will remind you that the person a presidential candidate chooses as his veep ordinarily makes little or no difference in the November election outcome.
Still, these choices sometimes fall in the category of a running mate who “solves a problem” that the presidential candidate had, or that the news media thought he had – such as lack of Washington experience or needing someone to bolster the ticket in the South.
Sometimes they fall in the category of “creating a problem” – the vice presidential pick makes blunders or has an awkward episode in his past – such as Dan Quayle’s service stateside in the National Guard rather than serving in Vietnam when U.S. forces were fighting there.
Quayle’s excessively enthusiastic, arm-pumping debut at the 1988 GOP convention and his humiliation by Democratic vice presidential nominee Lloyd Bentsen in their televised debate were big news at the time, but as Doug Sosnik, the White House political director under Bill Clinton said in 1996, “Dan Quayle (in 1988) proved that no matter who you put on the ticket in the end doesn’t affect the outcome.”
Whether the pick ends up being consequential or not, the initial reaction to the choice by the news media and party activists often gives a few days of lift to the presidential candidate.
Related: Rob Portman draws stark contrast between GOP and Obama
Yet the pundits’ and party activists’ initial impression of the running mate is sometimes sharply at odds with their later views of that person.
Case in point: Dick Cheney, whom the pundits applauded when George W. Bush chose him to be his running mate in 2000.
Columnist George Will wrote presciently in January of 2000, before Bush had locked up the nomination, that “because of doubts about Bush's intellectual weight and steadiness, if he is nominated his choice of running mate should give him a gravitas infusion. It might be Dick Cheney – pro-life and well-seasoned, he has been a congressman and White House chief of staff, and was secretary of defense during the Gulf War.”
And once Bush revealed his choice of Cheney, commentators were nearly unanimous in their admiration.
Baltimore Sun columnists Jack Germond and Jules Witcover wrote, "The Texas governor has added some obvious weight to the ticket. And by so doing, Mr. Bush seemed to demonstrate a self-confidence that is an essential quality in a successful presidential candidate or president.”
Related: In Michigan, Tim Pawlenty remains mum about Romney VP selection
Even liberal commentator Jacob Weisberg, who was to spend the next eight years mocking Bush’s malapropisms, wrote for Slate that Cheney’s selection was “a shrewd pick. Al Gore would be lucky to find someone as suited to the job.”
Weisberg added, “Choosing a nominee for … substantive reasons rather than out of a transparent political calculation is a confident, mature thing to do. Bush looks good by picking someone whose primary value is that he could help the new president govern.”
Cheney did help Bush govern, perhaps too much, in the view of critics of the Bush administration. Cheney’s reputation for caution and defense policy expertise – much praised in the days after Bush chose him – suffered irreparably after the Iraq war took its painful and costly course.
Who will Mitt Romney pick as his running mate? NBC's Claire Leka reports.
Cheney’s 2000 counterpart, Connecticut Sen. Joe Lieberman, is another striking case: a man cheered by his party faithful when Al Gore chose him to be his running mate but whose reputation among Democrats was destroyed by the Iraq war, ultimately leading him to show up at the Republican convention in 2008 to speak for his friend the GOP nominee, Sen. John McCain.
When Gore picked Lieberman in 2000, Rep. Barney Frank, D- Mass., praised him as “a very thoughtful, very serious guy.”
But, an interviewer asked Frank, wasn’t Lieberman a cultural conservative – with his campaign against violent and sexist lyrics in popular music? Frank replied “Joe Lieberman's been terrific” in opposing anti-gay prejudice and is “a strong supporter of the right of a woman to choose whether or not to have an abortion. He's been very good on economic issues. So let me say if you want to define conservatism that way, fine.”
At the time Gore unveiled his choice of Lieberman, most commentators agreed with the Wall Street Journal’s Gerald Seib: “It looks like a declaration of independence from Bill Clinton” because “this is the senator who went on the floor of the Senate first and said … we should rebuke Bill Clinton for his behavior” – his sexual liaison with White House intern Monica Lewinsky.
The Lieberman pick “creates a separation from Bill Clinton on that issue and kind of defuses the argument the Republicans were building to make … that they're the ones who can restore value and integrity to the White House,” Seib said.
NBC's Mark Murray and Domenico Montanaro narrow down Mitt Romney's vice presidential candidate picks to three and discuss newly released poll numbers.
Some veep choices appear perfectly solid, sensible and potentially useful on the day they’re announced – and turn out to be just that, even though in the end they don’t provide the winning edge for the presidential candidate.
North Carolina Sen. John Edwards seemed to bolster 2004 Democratic presidential candidate Sen. John Kerry.
Edwards, who never tired of telling audiences he was “the son of a mill worker,” had a knack for peppery populist rhetoric: "This democracy doesn’t belong to that crowd of insiders; it belongs to you,” he told campaign crowds. “I tell you what we ought to do with these Washington lobbyists: cut them off at the knees.”
True, Edwards failed to help Kerry win North Carolina’s 15 electoral votes, but even if the Democratic ticket had carried North Carolina it wouldn’t have been enough to win the White House.
(Edwards would go on to run another unsuccessful bid for the Democratic presidential nomination in 2008, and later was charged with violating campaign finance law to conceal an extramarital affair. After an acquittal on one count, and mistrials on the others, the Justice Department dropped the charges.)
Bentsen, the courtly, long-serving Texas senator, also seemed to fortify 1988 Democratic presidential candidate Massachusetts Gov. Mike Dukakis. As the Almanac of American Politics wrote after the 1988 election, “Bentsen’s cool articulateness, his high competence, his mastery of issues, and his stature strengthened the ticket nationwide.” Like Edwards, Bentsen failed to bring his home state into the Democratic column – but, as in 2004, it didn’t matter. Even with Texas, Dukakis would have been far short of the electoral votes he needed to win.
In 1992 when Bill Clinton picked Gore to run with him, he gave the ticket a youthful, centrist, Southern identity: An Arkansan with a running mate from Tennessee and both of them in their 40s.
NBC’s Tim Russert said on the Today show that "Clinton has now calculated that Ross Perot is in this race till the end. It's a three-way race and Gore can help him enormously in the Border and Southern states.” And the Clinton-Gore ticket did carry seven Southern and Border States in 1992.
The cases of two GOP running mates, Bob Dole’s choice of Jack Kemp in 1996 and McCain’s pick of Sarah Palin four years ago, parallel each other.
In each instance, a war veteran and aging politician at the top of the ticket, not trusted by social conservatives, needed a vice presidential contender who could supply verve and spark enthusiasm among GOP voters.
Kemp and Palin – each in their own way – did generate excitement. But it’s difficult to argue that a different veep choice would have made any difference either in 1996 or 2008.
In 1996 the economy was in robust health and the electorate was fairly content with the incumbent. In 2008 the economy was heading for disaster, an unpopular war dragged on, and the electorate – exhausted by eight years of Bush-Cheney – sought a change. Those fundamental conditions, rather than Kemp’s or Palin’s flaws or virtues, decided the outcome.
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Biden makes Dan Quayle look like a Rhode Scholar!
I'm simply trying to engage in conversation regarding the complicit media's coordination with team 0bama.
What would you like to discuss?
Well...PALIN is still INSISTING on making a LASTING IMPRESSION.
The only question is, will his VP choice release their taxes, and how much will they release?
I'd pay good money to see a Romney/Palin ticket. No, really, seriously, I would.
Quayle was a light weight. Cheney was pure evil. Edwards was just a pretty face and Lieberman was inconsequential.
I like Biden. He's like America's crazy grandpa. He's likely to do or say anything and at the most inappropriate moment, but you've got to love him.
I think Romney should pick Palin or Bachman to give him some real RWNJ cred.
I'd pay to see that. Big time.
Obama/Biden 2012
God, you guys are so pathetic with the tax returns. WHO GIVES A @!$%#!!
1.2 deleted, elliot-3020456 posting this John Nolte piece in its entirety. Stop copyright infringing. You're suspended for a week for violating #4 of the Code of Honor.
Air Brushed Repube banned, rereg of Hugh Class=.
"While the 2008 Obama campaign broke fund-raising records and outspent the McCain campaign by a three-to-one margin, the 2012 Obama campaign is struggling to raise cash...."
Do you think is because the middle class no longer likes President Obama or maybe is has something more to do with the economic crash of 2008, and the middle class doesn't have jobs or money???
But the 1%'ers are sure doing fine and donating to Flipper.
To all of my fellow bloggers.
Am I the only one that is completely annoyed with both AirBrushed and RestoreCapitalism?
How do I inform MSNBC, that it appears, that both of them, one left and one right leaning, are trying to sabotage this blog with nonsense?
Doesn't matter who Romney picks for VP. The MSM will shred that candidate and the Obama Filthy Campaign Coordinators will assure that they find some bones in his or her closet! One can only hope that Mitt will fight back with equal fervor and filth because Obama sure has a stockpile of his own filth to hide.
I think the argument about Palin isn't hard to make at all. Palin generated a lot of contempt and derision, and probably caused a lot of moderates to stay away. Had McCain picked, say, Lieberman, then a lot of swing votes would have gone his way, I think.
I think that was mostly the media keel hauling her.
Anyone Romney picks will be more transparent and experienced than him.
Hardly. People made fun of Quayle because of a few speaking gaffes. But he was actually a pretty smart person, and a fairly skilled politician. Palin, on the other hand, was anything but. I for one would have voted for McCain in a minute if he'd picked Lieberman instead of Palin.
Take Obama away from the teleprompter and have him speak extraniously and listen to the gaffs he makes.
Love the fact that any business owes its existance to government. Or how about those additional state we now have. Or the corpse-man speech.
Brillant speaker.
There was NOTHING the Republicans could have done to win the last Presidential election. If J.C. himself had been on the ticket, Obama would have won. It was the same after Nixon resigned. Ford was a good man but there was no way that he could win after the crimes of the Republicans.
Romney's Fairy Tales will cast a spell on the GOP for years, rumors that the GOP are dumping this Clown at the Convention !!!!!!
LOLOL.....
And the vetting continues for a replacement for Mr. Biden (announcement to be made at the Democratic National Convention).
An un-disclosed, un-named, senior White House official just told a private group that the following are being vetted to replace Biden: Rev. Wright, Jesse Jackson, Bill Ayers, Hilary Rosen, Ed Schultz, Chris Matthews, Roxanne, Bill Maher, Mrs. Axelrod, and Jay Carney.
Obama's moral corruption is destined to create friction in the mind of any principled American. Interestingly, just when I personally thought Obama could not become any more morally corrupt, I recently learned he has made yet another Faustian deal with the devil. In this case, he has appointed the "King Of Gay Pornography" to his campaign finance committee, patted him on the back and told him to keep up the good work.
Barack Obama has made it clear he plans to continue with his war on America, the Catholic Church, US Christians, success, small business and American socioeconomic thinking! As a result, this is creating backlash, even from within his own party. Conservatives like to complain that Barack Obama is the most liberal president we've ever had, a closet Marxist who's determined to turn America into a socialist hell and that his despotic socialist agenda is the big lie of the twentieth century. Historians realize world history provides compelling proof that Obama's brand of socialism promised prosperity, equality, and security, but has only delivered poverty, misery, and tyranny. Historically, equality was achieved only in the sense that everyone was equal in his or her misery!
Those historic facts aside, Obama has crafted a shrewd campaign from a worldly perspective. Of note is the fact a significant portion of his campaign strategy was based on development of strategic alliances with many of the most godless and morally debased segments of our society in a thinly veiled effort to secure votes from those "the Obama administration believes" to be one dimensional, intellectually compromised, single issue constituencies. Many in this group had the misfortune of growing up in a broken home. The resulting dysfunction in these homes leads to emotional instability, mental illness and severe narcissism producing a common thread and liberal bias.
Beyond requisite intellectual acumen, our upcoming president MUST have a strong moral foundation and acute, politically savvy awareness the principles of prudent governance. Unfortunately for America, Obama's morally vapid strategic political alliances clearly disqualify him from this hallowed leadership role. For that reason, more and more moderate and conservative principled members of the democratic party believe they must abandon Obama's candidacy and their party line vote for the long term good of our country! Essentially, they believe it is best to retreat and return to fight another day when the Democratic party can submit a candidate who is willing to uphold traditional American values rather than to
attempt to destroy the country from within.
Carlos 727,
I think you mean "extemporaneously", not "extraniously," which is not a real word. Oral mistakes are "gaffes" and not "gaffs." If by "extraniously" you mean "extraneously" then you are saying that what he says is "extra" to the subject. Hard to know what you mean.
And you are ignoring the many interviews on tv where Obama answers questions extemporaneously, and the town hall meetings where he speaks extemporaneously, and of course the debates, where he spoke and will speak extemporaneously.
Also, are you listening to and understanding anything about the actual content of what Obama is saying?
So, gimme a break with the teleprompter gibe. He is an intelligent and articulate speaker, but he would not have been elected if people did not like what he was saying.
And he will be re-elected because people have seen that despite the overwhelming catastrophe of the Bush administration and the recalcitrant GOP congress, he has been walking his talk, both extemporaneous and scripted.
It takes time to turn the ship of state, but this administration has begun to do so, despite the grim determination of the GOP to derail his every initiative.
Obama/Biden 2012
@ClearVoice2 -- Reading between the lines, it sounds like you are a homophobe
i love that picture of Biden, the WH cringes every time that fools speak.
sure, they cringe when Obama speaks but it's not the same.
biden can fuk up a tele speech
since when did the facts become racist? 13% of US is black
of that 13%, more than HALF are on some form of govt assistance.
don't hate the data, hate the sponges
They were poor because of the decisions they made.
But let's not hold them accountable because of their color.
basics of econ - don't let Democrats run the economy.
who the fuk would be proud to be an economist, they've missed every major fuking trend in the last 100 years.
restore-
Wow. where to begin. First off, the majority of people on public assistance in the US are white. I know that doesn't fit into your tiny, race-tinted worldview, but it's true.
Second- what the hell do you mean "they were poor because of the decisions they made"? Do you think they decided to be born into poverty? Did they decide to grow up in sections of cities and regions of the country where they started life with 2 strikes against them?
The fact that a retard like Romney is filthy rich proves the point that where you start in life has a huge impact on where you end up.
Mike from AZ... exactly. I heard it said that Mitt was "born on third base and thinks he hit a home run". Stupidity and arrogance are a dangerous combination.
Going up against McCain was easy for Obama, he never fought back. But Romney will, and with the early tactics being employed by the Obama campaign this is sure to be the most down and dirty campaign ever seen. The lies are already piling up, and no call for civility from Obama. But then again if Obama had a record to run on, maybe he would.
No surprise that NBCNEWS.com has no mention of the blatant lie by the Obama campaign regarding the death of a steel workers wife. Obama Deputy Campaign Manager Stephanie Cutter outright lied when she claimed to have no knowledge of the individual or the story of his wife.
Of course the Obama campaign has had to backtrack since Cutter is caught on tape which proves she is lying, and many reporters know she lied since they were present for the conversation. Lies and smear tactics seem par for the course with Obama. We will see if fact that Obama is surrounding himself with proven liars plays well with voters.
And it is going to get worse since Mr. Obama CANNOT defend his failed Domestic and International policies. The only thing he can do is Cheeeeecago politics, just ask Hillary Clinton or Oprah.
Heck, it took him nearly TWO YEARS to admit the economy was HIS. And, he admitted he should be a ONE TERM President if he could not turn the economy around and reduce unemployment.
Well-written article, a rarity on nbcnews.obamabiden2012.com
chavez is a better leader than obama...heck,,left wing loon sean peen says so..
isint that obamas hollywood buddy???
the majority of the i out of three you speak of are illegal. next
Texas Gov. Rick Perry (R) has decided that the easiest way to cope with the number of uninsured people in his state — one out of every three Texans lacks an insurance plan — is to pretend that there is no problem at all.
Perry must be closet liberal then because conservatives usually see a problem and acknowledge there is one. We still don't have Senate working on a budget-Democrat majority. We must not have an enormous out-of-control deficit plus credit downgrade. No problem here, we are only in this mess because of the rich.....like Barney Frank et al, of course.
air..
your brilliant...you know soooo much..
i dont live in texas....just another lie from the lefty
This is the democrat party, all the while crying like little two year olds about the republicans.
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/too-far-new-attack-ad-targeting-allen-west-depicts-him-beating-women/
Glenn Beck's web site is becoming desperate. Watch the video and decide for yourself, but there is no way a reasonable person could interpret it the way Beck does.
For anyone too lazy/ partisan to watch the ad, West is portrayed as a boxer. That's it. Not that it matters, as West is one of the Tea Party people who is clearly a one-termer. He's the nut who claimed there were 70 or 80 "communists" in the House, then got mad when Harry Reid said something without proof.
One and done, as they say.
The whole beating up women thing doesn't bother you? If this was Romney's ad you would be screaming about the 'war on women'.
Here's Obama's campaign crying foul about using his record.
http://dailycaller.com/2012/08/09/obama-campaign-says-romney-wants-to-politicize-delphi-pension-scandal-despite-his-months-of-silence/
first impression, and the now impression, Biden is a dumbass. You just don't hear much from him, HMMMMM?? Go figure.
Biden is a drunk and a joke!!!
I think it is very hilarious how Air Brushed Repube cannot actually make a comment without degrading either the author or everyone in general! Is it maybe that he does not possess the ability to discuss a topic without being demeaning or degrading.
Typically those who resort to degrading/demeaning/name callling have already lost the debate and that's all they have left.
I've got to disagree with this article. Palin took a highly respected war hero with decades of service to his country and made him look like a doddering old fool.
I could see how the article could make a conclusion that a VP pick makes little difference to the winner. It can definitely sink a campaign though.
Exactly! McCain had no chance with Palin on the ticket!
McCain was a joke... he did nOT even try against obama!!
We still do NOT have obama's sealed records....WHO IS THAT GUY!!!
Border Joe: so true!! McCain behaved like he was intimidated by Odumbo and laid back instead of blasting his sorry a$$ from here to hades! Let's hope Romney takes the hint and beats the living carp out of the great pretender...
Yeah what's funny is the VP they make hardly any mention of is PALIN! When she's the one that comes to mind as soon as you read the article. OF COURSE IT MATTERS. Once it became apparent what Palin's Intelligence level was it scared the ever living SH*T out of people that she could end up president if the old man she was running with were to die. Once she showed her true self, he didn't have a CHANCE! That's of course assuming anyone really wanted him to begin with...
Got attached to wrong post here.
I'll say the article is good one and it's going to be another week before Mr. Romney picks his VP that way he'll have something else to talk about for the next week and 1/2 then on his tax returns.
airbrush
i like the chenney icon,,,didnt realize you were such a fan...so you then must be a flip-flopper....supporting chenney,,then talkin crap about him...
glad you are not on the ballot....
i think it is time for your medical mary-jane and a nap for you...
maybe a diaper change too
My guess is Romney's choice of a VP candidate won't make a dime's worth of difference - and here's why:
Romney has taken up the Tea-Bag banner, fawning over the "Ryan Budget" that would screw the American middle class right into the ground, and screw senior citizens out of the Social Security and Medicare programs they've already paid for. He goes along with the efforts to denigrate women and deprive them of their rights, and he has tried to hide all of his (illegal? or at least unethical) tax gyrations and his multi-million dollar accounts in the Bahamas, Caymans, and Switzerland.
The guy is a lying, cheating, discriminating rich kid who has never had to really earn a living. He has nothing in common with the American people who aren't members of the country club set. He doesn't deserve to be President!
neither did obama,but they gave that idiot a chance..
ill take romney over obama anyday of the week...
obama has done all of the above...time for some new blood in the white house
the OBAMA experiment is over..
the joke on america is almost over..
nothing for huessien to do now but hand out the pardons to all of his law breaking staff
hussan obama has proven he is a lair and unfit for office!!
He can nOT run on his sorry record!!
Saved the auto industry.
Prevented Great Depression.
41/2 million jobs created.
Killed Bin Laden.
Ended Iraq War.
The Presidents record is terrific!
Is Romney who runs away from his record - Bain, Tax cheater, Draft dodger.... etc..
ScummaG
Yeah the Chevy Volt is a success and GM is now owned
Recession would be over if not for El Dumbo
He had to be talked into someone else pulling the trigger then those Seals were set up and killed
He ended nothing but got us into Afgahistan
No Jobs saved or created unless you want to count the Czars
Click on the link below for an unOfficial photo of Mitt Romney's running mate, Paris Hilton, with a Special campaign message just for YOU!!!
http://www.oneangryman.com/ken/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/Paris-Eat-the-Rich.jpg
LOL!!!! Wow! NBCBS at it's best. Preemptive strike.
It's not working!
Later
BREAKING NEWS: Bawney Frank seen leaving a public library with the book MOBY DICK in his mouth.
Carry on Bwucie
Besides the economy, which BTW no democrat-communist ever talks about, the second reason Obama will lose in a landslide is people are now seeing the seedy side of Obama. I liked the man as a person, outgoing, intelligent, always seemed to have a smile on his face. What I do not like about Obama is that he is an avowed communist, and he even admits to that. I never supported his radical agenda. So, people that voted for Obama in 2008 are leaving him because of the economy, and of course, they are now seeing the mean spirit this man is showing daily. His attacks are useless and very crude. People are nowing seeing the true Obama, a mean spirited fraud.
Interesting. Your opinion is certainly valid, but it's not the opinion of most Americans. Obama's favorability is higher than unfavorability. The average of all polls is 49.4/ 45.8.
On the other hand, people just don't like Romney, with 42.8/ 45, net negative favorability.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/obama_romney_favorable_unfavorable.html
I have to side with the majority opinion. I used to think Romney was simply cold, calculating and intelligent, but lacking in personality. Now, as I've seen more of him, I think he's sneaky, unlikeable, hates having to answer questions, explain himself or even talk to people. He wants to be completely private even though he wants to be President. He lacks empathy for anyone else. He is used to getting his way and having absolute power, and he gets angry when things don't go his way.
When he feels as if he's losing or gets caught in a lie, you can see that he's a very angry man with a temper right beneath the surface. He's not a kind man, but an angry one.
Again, that's the opinion I have.
You're wrong on some facts, though I doubt anyone can change your mind. Obama is not even close to to a communist, avowed or otherwise. Also, he talks about the economy during every speech, and how we've gained 4.5 million private sector jobs in 29 consecutive months.
The likable factor is great if you're voting for American Idol. We're voting for president.
TONY... You got that right!!!!
but to see a mean spirited fraud, one must be able to think...hussan obama has a cult of koolaide drinkers that are so drunk that common sense is far beyond them..
barry soetoro can not run on his record, so he uses the chicago MOBpolicital game of not letting any crises go un-twisted for your purpose and lie, lie lie about the other guy....his base does not care about truth!!!
An avowed Communist? Care to provide a reference? Or any kind of evidence at all? Obama is to the right of Reagan, the only people with a legitimate beef with him are liberals, and even they are too terrified of the alternative to do anything about it.
Liberals have no clue as to just what a cesspool this country would become under socialism... It's already halfway there, and we're 16 trillion in debt
and racing toward oblivion, yet they believe socialism is the answer...
Welfare! Take from the Rich! More food stamps! Free! Free! Free! for everyone.
They are all crazy! Look at Russia! Take a peek at what's happening in Europe. And yet they blindly support Odumbo, the slickest charlatan since
Ponzi, as he: makes promises he cannot keep; forms allegiances we do not want; spends money we do not have; lies to the country each time he opens his Marxist mouth; uses the Alinski rules for Radicals as his campaign strategy; and distorts and contorts the use of Executive decree to employ his profoundly subversive strategy.
Vote them all out.
By the way Mitt, when are you going to release your tax returns and explain the rest of the host of financial and ethical behavior questions that more and more of us have?
RobIT, why don't you confront Romney on the campaign trail and demand to his face you deserve to see his tax returns. They are really none of your business. Show me your returns? Oops. You can't. YOU DON'T WORK.
Anyone want to see Mitt Romney's 2 incomplete Tax Returns?
There is a link in this posting that will take you right to them, as well as President Obama's 12 Tax Returns.
I will give you the web site where you (and everyone else) can see Mitt Romney's two tax returns. You go there, examine his tax returns for 2011 and 2010, then come back and tell us all what you found.
In the mean time, here's some additional information that others might find very interesting from President Obama's tax returns as well as Mitt Romney's.
President Obama has released 12 years of Tax Returns, whereas candidate Mitt Romney has released only two years (of what have been reported to be incomplete/partial) Tax Returns.
If you would like to actually see President Obama's 12 years of Tax Returns you can go to this link, where you can also see Mitt Romney's two years of partial tax returns.
(You can also see Tax Returns from VP Biden, as well as some Republicans who ran against Romney in the Republican Primaries, and other presidents going back to FDR.)
Tax History Project, Presidential Tax Returns
http://www.taxhistory.org/www/website.nsf/Web/PresidentialTaxReturns/
The TAX RETURN contest between Obama and Romney (even giving Romney full credit for 2 partial Tax Returns) stands at ...
The actual Dollar Amounts and Tax Rate Percentage are as follows:
Comments?
I would love to see Obama's school records and all the other records that he has seen fit to have sealed off. I am willing to bet he used foreign student status to gain advantage. I think all the records should be open on both sides.
What ever Romney is hiding in his taxes....WOW, I hope it's worth the headaches he is causing his party. I don't see how it could be but....somethings amiss here.
I doubt that it is anything illegal; otherwise the IRS would have flagged it by now. I wonder if he's afraid that it'll show money donated to the DNC? THAT would sink him with repub's lol....and as much as he flips on issues....it's possible.
Summerlight, I'll bet you $10,000 that you're wrong. I'm not gambling, I'm just taking your money.
Now if we can see the real Birth certificate. If Obama knows when he was born... ha His Social security number if a fraud just like himself.
Obama was mentored by Frank Marshall Davis a vowed communist. That's not hard to look up and find out. He has Czars around him... duh where other country has had Czars.
I can't believe how many ignorant people who won't investigate
Totally agree with Dottie- this Political column First Read leans so much to the Democrats - I thought that a news Organization like NBC is supposed to be neutral!! Guess not but it should not be front and center on a new site unless it says that it is an opinion and not a factual news item. So many blunder in the Democrats -and each time the Obama campaign says they did not authorize - yeah right!- How come this column did not write about the Obamas asking for Brides/Grooms asking them to donate their gifts or kids confirmation or Bat Mitzvah money that backfired!!
Actually, I thought Obama asking for people to send him money in place of giving a birthday gift or a wedding gift was brilliant. My cat actually made several donations to his litter box that he would love to send Obama. Unfortunately the cat's buried treasures are not gold.
NEWS FLASH - Since Refalca didn't do too well, the Romney's are going to rename it - at least the back half of it. They decided to call that end Rush - most appropriate.
I would tell you to stick to your day job, but of course you don't have a job. You are a democrat-communist leech. You are entitled. You want to Rob people of what they earn.
The only difference it makes is when the VP pick is grossly not qualified to become the prez if the need arises. It did make a difference to McGovern, and to McCain, I think. Obama, Clinton, and Reagan picked wisely.
Biden is a "wise pick?" You have got to be kidding, yes?
You know, Cogito, you, like so many others on here, would actually do some research about who Joe Biden is, you and many others wouldn't make the ignorant remarks that you do about the man. I mean no disrespect, but your comment really is a comment based in ignorance. Joe Biden's foreign policy acumen alone rates him as one of the leading authorities in our country. He was also one of the framers of VAWA (Violence Against Women Act), a very important piece of legislation in this country. That is just a bit of information regarding a man who has at close to 40 years in politics including being a senator. If something were to happen to President Obama, I would feel very comfortable having Mr. Biden take over as president.
It was a big F'in deal, and Democrats cheered when he said it! Too bad you have no sense of humor..loser....
You are absolutely right, Jack! It was a big deal and when I saw it I laughed my a$$ off! I love Joe Biden! Best VP in a very very long time!
it's funny how democrats love joe biden.
they called bush a "liar" about wmds in iraq.....yet it was joe biden that said sadaam was making "tons" of anthrax from 1994-2003
the democrats are two faced it seems....they really dont think bush lied about wmds.....because they still love joe bidens "foreign policy experience"
this is why americans dont trust democrats anymore.
And so, what's the reason that Mitten's just cannot seem to get out of second place? Outspending 2-1 doesn't even seem to help.
Could it be, that no one likes his ideas? Or trusts him? Or believes in him?
Obama is finished. Book it!
–Mitt Romney, attempting to make a wager with Rick Perry during a Republican presidential debate to settle a disagreement about health care (December 2011)
Who are you? McGarret on Hawaii 5 0? Afraid you might run out of ink if you type more than 5 words? Or did you just use up the rest of your Wite-out erasing the rest?
Jack, Tony is a very deep stinker.
(No, that's not a typo. That's just what Tony is.)
Joe Biden is darn near a certified idiot. He is right there with Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid and President Obama. They would make a great Three Stooges +1.
And that makes you what? A sexist, a bigot, and a jerk? You get no +1!
sofork, Do you earn $230,700 annually?
p.s. It has long been established on these blogs that Cantor, Boehner and McConnell are Larry, Curly and Moe: The Three Stooges. That name's taken, so try something else.