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Subscribe to RSSSelma and Kenneth Furst were among the hundreds of thousands of Florida's Jewish voters who helped put Barack Obama in the White House four years ago.
This time out, the Fursts are still solidly behind the president, but they aren't so sure about some of their Jewish neighbors and friends.
"It's a hard decision, for people to make up their minds," said Selma Furst, 91, who lives in a condo community in Tamarac, a city of 60,000 near Fort Lauderdale, with her husband, Kenneth, 94. "My neighbors talk about it a lot, and we think about it all the time."
Polls suggest Obama has lost some ground since the 2008 election among Jewish voters in Florida, a key battleground state. That could have a major impact in what is likely to be a tight race, analysts say. While Jews make up only about 3.4 percent of the population in Florida, they have historically turned out in disproportionately high numbers.
"From the polling I've seen, the president's support among Jewish voters is at historic lows, compared to other Democrats for president, and it's something we're seeing anecdotal evidence of on the ground," said Alberto Martinez, an adviser to the campaign of presumptive GOP presidential nominee Mitt Romney.
"No one expects Romney to win the Jewish vote. But any level of attrition for the president is going to endanger his reelection in a state like Florida," he said, recalling the 2000 election, in which George W. Bush won the state by 537 votes.
It's not clear how much support the president can afford to lose in Florida. Andre Fladell, a longtime Democratic activist from Delray Beach, said he doesn't believe a 10 percent to 14 percent drop in the polls among Jewish voters would make a difference, but "a 24 (percent) to 26 percent drop would," he said.
The key, he said, will be voting trends among the almost 500,000 Jewish voters in the Democratic stronghold of South Florida.
Debate there over Obama administration policies on everything from healthcare and jobs to Israel and the Middle East has crept into neighborhood events, temple meetings and other social functions in the Jewish retirement communities.
The administration's policies on Israel are one reason some Jewish voters may be reconsidering their support for Obama, said Martinez, particularly in the face of a perceived nuclear threat from Iran.
Obama has also had a rocky relationship with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, with the two clashing over Israel's settlement policy and efforts to revive the peace process.
The still-struggling economy, nationally and in Florida - where, with more than 1 million people out of work, the unemployment rate is higher than the national average - is also a primary factor. "The bigger picture is that Jewish voters, like all voters, have been impacted by (it)," said Martinez.
"I voted for Obama in 2008, but I don't anticipate voting for him in the upcoming election," said William Levine, a Boca Raton, Fla., resident. He said Obama's position on Israel and Mideast affairs was "a significant factor," but he also cited domestic issues, including the president's handling of the economy.
What the polls say
A Gallup Poll released in June found what some have called a surprising drop in Jewish support for the president. The national poll showed 64 percent of registered Jewish voters are behind Obama, with Romney pulling 29 percent.
Gallup Polls just prior to the 2008 election had Obama garnering 74 percent among Jewish voters, with 23 percent favoring GOP nominee John McCain. Exit polls indicated the president received as much as 78 percent of the Jewish vote on Election Day.
The latest Gallup survey was relatively small: It polled 576 registered Jewish voters from April 11 to June 5, with a margin of error of plus or minus five percentage points. Republicans seized on the figures.
Small population: Big voice
The new polling figures are noteworthy in part because Jewish voters have historically turned out in greater numbers than other larger voting blocs, such as Hispanics and African Americans.
Ira Sheskin, a University of Miami professor who runs the Jewish Demography Project of the Sue and Leonard Miller Center for Contemporary Judaic Studies, told Reuters that upwards of 90 percent of registered Jewish voters usually turn out on Election Day. In 2008 that figure reached 96 percent.
"Jews are probably 7 (percent) to 8 percent of the people who actually vote in Florida," said Sheskin, who has tracked Jewish voting records since the 1970s. "So if Obama only gets 64 percent of the Jewish vote in November, that could be significant. But it's only July ... so it's too early to declare."
Jewish voters: By the numbers
Sheskin noted that while Jews consider U.S. policy on Israel an important issue, it's not a driving force in candidate choice.
"They're voting on the economy and social issues, and Jews are overwhelmingly pro-choice, in favor of same-sex marriage, the Affordable Healthcare Act ... and are much closer to Democrats than Republicans."
Some Democrats say Obama's support among Jews is rising. An American Jewish Committee survey in March found Obama with less support than in the most recent poll. Then, he bested Romney by a margin of 61 percent to 28 percent.
"There actually has not been an erosion of support," said Florida congresswoman and Democratic National Committee Chairwoman Debbie Wasserman Schultz. "Consistently, you have major polling that is actually far more sophisticated, with larger sample sizes of Jewish voters that have been done very recently, that show the president's support is actually quite a bit stronger than that poll showed." Gallup Polls in June 2008 showed Obama held only 62 percent of the Jewish vote in Florida, before rising to 74 percent in November.
Political tensions
Martinez and other Republicans point to some anecdotal indications that Obama's lock on the Jewish vote in Florida may not be ironclad.
Last May tempers flared during an event at Congregation L'Dor Va-Dor in Lake Worth that brought together local Republican and Democratic leaders for a debate provocatively titled, "Obama and Israel: Friend or Foe?" Speakers in support of Obama were interrupted with frequent insults, and moderator Rabbi Barry Silver had to step in to maintain order, according to reports in the Florida Jewish Journal.
Wasserman Schultz, the first Jewish woman from Florida elected to the House of Representatives, attributed such high-profile events to partisan politics.
"The reason lying and distorting and misrepresenting President Obama's stellar record on Israel is because they know they can't get anywhere with Jewish voters in America on domestic issues," she told Reuters. "So in the battleground states in particular - like Florida and Pennsylvania and Ohio, where the Jewish communities are more concentrated - they are deliberately spreading lies and mistruths."
Although Obama has yet to visit Israel as president, he did make two trips to the Holy Land while he was in the Senate, including one during the 2008 election campaign. George W. Bush did not visit Israel until the last year of his second term, Obama supporters point out.
Supporters defend Obama's record on Israel, saying the president has consistently shown his willingness to fund and promote efforts to maintain Israel's military strength. Wasserman Schultz said Obama spearheaded efforts to impose "harsh sanctions" on Iran to halt its nuclear programs, supported a two-state solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict and backed development of the "Iron Dome" missile defense system for Israel.
Reaching out
The Romney campaign has increased efforts to make inroads with Jewish voters in recent months. Martinez said the campaign has opened 30 offices in the state and is stepping up "outreach to communities, and specifically the Jewish community in Florida."
Romney's Florida campaign has also tapped Jewish Republican Tevi Troy - former deputy secretary of the Department of Health and Human Services under President George W. Bush - as an adviser.
In addition, the former Massachusetts governor recently announced plans to host a fundraising event in Jerusalem - at $60,000 or more per plate - on July 29, the Jerusalem Post reported. Campaigning in Florida earlier this year, Romney accused Obama of being "critical of our friends," citing the president's objections to Israel's settlement policy.
Mik Moore, a spokesman for the pro-Obama super-PAC known as the Jewish Council for Education and Research, acknowledged that Republican efforts to woo the Jewish vote may be having an impact in Florida.
"We know there's about 14 (percent) to 15 percent of American Jewish voters who voted for (Obama) before who right now are not ready to vote for him," he told Reuters. "This year, young people are not as energized as they were in 2008, so the challenge ... is talking to (swing voters) about the president's record and contrasting it with Romney's record."
The Obama campaign has ramped up its Jewish outreach efforts, too. In June the president's chief of staff, Jack Lew - an observant Jew - met with South Florida campaign operatives about how to turn out voters through the campaign's Jewish Community Leadership Council program.
Wasserman Schultz has also been working for Obama in South Florida, penning op-ed pieces in newspapers and Jewish publications detailing the president's record on Israel.
Selma Furst said she understands why many of her Jewish friends and neighbors are wavering in their support for Obama. She says she had to overcome her own doubts about Obama when she voted for him in 2008.
Now, though, she is comfortable with her decision. "I feel he's had four years' experience and maybe that four years taught him something," she said. "I know not everything is his fault. You can't make gold out of paper."
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Maybe I over analyze things, but I never got the Jewish liberal concept- especially supporting this President. To give it perspective:
The President hasn't made a state visit to Israel yet, he forced the Israeli PM to come through the back door of the White House for a visit (without a state dinner/event). The President has loudly demanded that Israel give away their lands back to the 1967 borders, condemned them for development within their borders, and actively is endorsing/meeting with Israel's foes. Essentially the US foreign policy towards Israel has been we don't support you, while we are happy to take your campaign money and shake your hands at expensive dinners.
Why would Jews support the President? Are they happy with the distribution of wealth liberalism? Do they think the President really supports Israel (claiming that he's been the most active FOR Israel while the facts show otherwise)? I don't get it. Anyone??
Ditto to that Joe.
Hey Joe, I would say you had a overdose of bad Tea ???
Calling you Patriotic American is about as big of a Oxymoron as calling Liberals Liberal? Obama has treated Jerusalem Badly, A Vote for him is betraying your Faith and your Patriotism to our Countries.
NOBAMA2012
Hey Patriotic- how about a dialog? You have anything productive to add to the conversation or do you just wish to look dumb? He, he- I told him..... "bad Tea"...... yeah that was cool.
Obama is not Jewish. Since elected he has never gone to any church. He must miss Reverend Wright.
Gil, show me one piece of proof that he hasn't attended church. And the rest of you righties, please tell me how Obama's views differ from Bush's views on Israel.
And Joe I agree, why do the poorest southerners conisistently vote against their own interests?
His allegiance to Islam forbids him to make friends with Christians or Jews.
No other religion is accepted by his Allah except Islam. (Quran, 2:256)(Koran)
He cannot accept the American Constitution since it is based on Biblical principals and he believes the Bible to be corrupt.
Islam, Muhammad, and the Quran does not allow freedom of religion and expression. Democracy and Islam cannot co-exist. Every Muslim government is either dictatorial or autocratic.
He must submit to the Mullahs (spiritual leaders), who teach annihilation of Israel and destruction of America, the great Satan.
Apparently Joe and the Jews are being @!$%#s.. in my opinion.... really? lol gtfo
The Jews complain more than any race I know.. It is sad. By the way, if you are jewish and live in America, and are American, then quit worrying about Israel. For god sakes they are run by a blood thirsty idiot, who was put in his place when he visited America. Sorry for not playing into this non essential bs, but it is what it is.
BTW Guy Little. If I ever met you in public, I would kick your ass for being so stupid.
If I was the President, I would choose my words extremely carefully when it comes to Jewish voters. Especially any criticisms around small businesses.
I think it's really quite simple Joe. Most American Jews consider themselves to be Americans, not Israelis, and they are socially liberal. They will not support a candidate like Romney who wants to make abortion illegal, who will deny equal rights to same-sex couples and who will take from the poor and the middle class in order to give more tax breaks to his rich buddies.
I think the article says why the Jews don't vote Republican. It is the Pro-Choice, pro-gay marriage, and Government Health Care. If you understand Jewish law the Pro-Choice, and pro-gay Marriage are sin and unacceptable. They also want to listen to government instead of God, so the ACA is a no-brainer too.
They are no different than the Christians in that instead of following Gods commandments, they become "a law unto themselves."
They like the Christians need to come to a point where they are going to follow God with all their hearts. If you change just one thing from what God asks, then you make yourselves your own god, in your own image.
The Jews have gone to do thier own "thing" throughout history, but one thing comes clear, they at some point have a change of heart and follow God with their whole hearts.
Why would any Jew in his/her right mind vote for "Mr. Pro-Palestine"? Baffling.
Johnny if you ever meet me in public you will be in the wrong neighbor hood.
Why would any one vote for a Clown called Romney ????
Obama has lost ground with Jews, blacks, hispanics, white working class folk, college students, 20-somethings and just about every other group. He only won Florida by 200,000 votes in 2008. That margin is gone.
"If you got a business, you didn't build that."
"The private sector is doing fine."
Look, I'll be Honest and Candid. I'm not only a Republican but I'm also Jewish, and me and all my Republican and Jewish friends are definitely going to be voting a straight Democratic ticket, come this November 2012. Here's why!
Us Jewish people are truly an honest and moral lot. We don't like liars or those who don't pay their "fair-share" of taxes, and who might be engaging in "shady financial dealings".
Hidden Swiss bank accounts? Slush funds and laundried money in off-shore Cayman Island shell companies? Nontransparent and "lost" tax-returns that might be hiding even more "shady financial dealings" with China and Mexico and who knows what else, maybe even Middle Eastern Terrorists groups! Seriously, who knows?
That's why as a Republican and somebody who is Jewish, I'm encouraginge all my Republican friends and Jewish brothers and Ron Paul supporters, and of course all you Undecided voters in Florida, to vote a straight Democratic ticket come this November 2012.
It's the right thing to do and it will be Fun to send Mitt Romney and his almost extinct dinosaur GOP Republican party, back to the "Dung Heap of History" where they all belong!
I'm sure you posters and readers all agree, right?
Just out of curiosity, why exactly do you consider yourself a Republican, RepublicansForObama?
Adam: If you had any brains you would know that it impossible to prove a negative. You have to give me one example to disprove it.
Adam, I don't think it's quite as simple as you make it. After all, why do rich people in Connecticut vote against their own ostensible interests?
Just checked your comment history, RepublicansForObama, but it seems like you were Christian back on July 5. (Note that he replied to a collapsed comment---the first comment, as it so happens---and that his comment itself was collapsed).
Also, how do you jive calling yourself a Republican and a Democrat?
Is it something I said?
Look, Mr. "Etch-a-Sketch", wannabe "Out Sourcer and Chief" Mitt Romney,
can change his "political-spots", then so can I, so there!
Case closed. Next!
Yep.
If that's the case, then you really shouldn't be calling yourself RepublicansForObama, and, further, really shouldn't be qualifying everything you say by claiming you're a Republican.
If it isn't right for Romney to do, it isn't right for you to do.
Jews will not vote for him he has lost that base awhile ago 8)
He lost them when he said to the PM go back to 67 borders.
I agree he is no friend of Israel his actions speak plenty and any Jew who would vote for him is insane.
No, really I was once a proud Republican, but I Woke-Up,
and can no longer bring myself to vote for any Republican.
Today, I am an American Freedom Loving Independent who will not watch this country go back to the dark days of George Bush, Dick (Darth Vader) Cheney, Karl Rove, Haliburton Oil, Black Hawk Mercenaries, etc. etc. ad nauseum.
Hey Armando, you seem like a smart boy! Could you please Explain to me exactly what Mitt Romney's "RETROACTIVE RETIREMENT" was all about at Bain Capital? How does one "RETIRE RETROACTIVELY". Tell me! Tell me! It doesn't seem like a very Manly thing to do, now does it?
And what's this about Mitt Romney telling all our Young folk that if you are an Olympian, you didn't get to the Olympics on your own? That doesn't seem like a very Manly thing to say! Shame on you, Mitt Romney!
ps. My provocative post that Armando is talking about is post #1.18. That post above, will "knock your socks off and rock your world". It's that good. So go check out post #1.18 above, and get back to me, and tell me what you think, ok?
The article implies a lot of clout from 2.6% of the population.
Adam 201....- Your question was curious, so I tried to look President Obama and Church Attendence. Here's what I came up with:
1st year as President- Attended Church 3 times (but not on Christmas). Source: ABCNews
2nd year: All I could find was Easter service attended. I didn't know, but learned that he made a proclimation about Ramadan, Eid al Fitr, Eid al Adha, Hajj and Earth Day, but didn't for Easter (a tradition).
This year: I found that his church attendence has risen during the election cycle. The Huffington Post noted that he's been attending more church while campaigning.
What does that prove- it's all up to you, but it is possible to get some idea of a president's church attendence.
RepublicansForObama, I read your comment. Know what I couldn't get out of my head? The fact that you said you were Christian on July 5. If you're being disingenuous about your religion (never mind your political party), I don't see why anybody should take anything you say seriously.
Most Jews I know strongly support Obama and most American Jews and Israelis want a Palestinian State. That is one of the biggest issues in the Middle East and having a Palestinian State will eliminate lost of the violence.
Nemo, I'd like a Palestinian state too (alongside Israel), but I think a lot of the problem is that too many people want the Palestinians or the Israelis exterminated.
Johnny M, the American Jews will quit worrying about Israel when the Irish-Americans stop caring about Ireland.
Jews vote where the big money is and that would be the GOP TeaCons that support the 1% Mega Rich. Judgment day is coming for these "Greedy People"
Why is it that only Obama and his staff think they have a stellar record on Israel. Israel doesn't think so and they should know.
So someone who doesn't appear to be honest about anything. Republican/Democrat, Christian/Jewish..........Priceless.
Ah, another David Duke-loving "progressive"!
Seriously, are you guys not seeing this? You guys don't see how this might be a problem?
RepublicansForObama - It's 'we' not 'us'.
A Republican would know that.
Clearly you went to public school.
Read the book or moron and see what your alternate choice believes
There's an issue of principle that makes the two seeming contradictions fundamentally different. It is one thing for rich people in rich states to say, "tax me more; I can help my fellow American in need," and it is a completely different one for poor people in poor states people to say, "tax rich people less; I don't need my fellow American to help me." In keeping with the simplified (and overgeneralizing) terms that this conversation has used -- which the paper you presented more or less validate -- let's just say that it's rational within human nature to be (a) altruistic (i.e., rich people in blue states wanting to give more), (b) selfish (i.e., rich people in red states wanting to give less), and (c) welcoming of help (i.e., poor people in red and blue states wanting to receive more), but not (d) dismissive of help.
So, no, when I see those rich folks in Connecticut or the Bay Area or the North Shore of Chicagoland, I don't think they're being irrational by wanting to give more to help raise the standard of living of the country. I think they're being perfectly reasonable and patriotic. When I see the less fortunate folks in Mississippi or Alabama, with one hand collecting food stamps and receiving Medicare/Medicaid and with the other ranting about how the government collects too much in taxes and shouldn't help the poor, well, I can't help but wonder what's going on in their minds. I don't think Warren Buffett stupid, what with the fact that he's one of the richest people on Earth, and he's a strong advocate for more progressive taxation.
With three exceptions (NV, TX, FL), all of the states that send more tax dollars to the Federal Government than they receive from it in aid are staunchly or fairly Democratic. On the other hand, out of the ten states that receive more than $1.5 in help from the Federal Government for every dollar they send in taxes, all but two (VA, NM) are staunchly Republican.
Any Jew who votes for Obama must have a death wish for Israel. No American president in history has exhibited less support for the Jewish homeland. If elected , he will stand with the tens of millions of Muslims surrounding tiny Israel and will undermine its existence. The greatest danger Israel will have experienced since its founding will come in the next 4 years unless a supporter is placed in office.
The problem with the Jews is that they didn't see Hitler coming, either! Too busy counting their money!!!
Why would the Jews vote for Obama? Why did anybody vote for Bush II? Go figure.
The Jewish vote and Latino vote pretty much sums up Florida. Whites are split.
Does this Jewish margin excuse nullify Florida's voter purge bullsh1t? No fargin way! Or is it just another Republican voter suppression scam? Florida and their damn politician shysters! Are all or at least most shysters Republican? Ask K Street.
Florida doesn't have a voter problem when the Bushes aren't involved. Remember it was Jeb Bush that created the problem so bro could get in.
Come election day, I think the Jewish people will not vote for the Mexican Romney.
I second that !!! ( "Remember the Alamo" )
Mexican Romney? That's a new attack. Haven't heard that one. I've heard a lot of Mittens comments. I think faux news is a bit worn out. I think you libs need to come up with better derogatory names for GOP candidates.
Would Romney the Clown work for you ?????????????????
How about the the Crown Prince of Outsourcing?
LOL @notsosmart please do not speak for jews what makes you think wed vote for an anti semetic, please before yu type talk to people who KNOW what they are talking about.. oh and at least romneys a LEGAL mexican obama not even american or are you to ignorant to know that back in the 60's the term african was NOT used
Viewer K
Obama is a legal American. I believe the issue of his citizenship and birth certificate has already been addressed. That dog and pony show you righties continue to throw out won't hunt anymore.
Obama/Biden 2012.
Obama is more American than you and your chest thumping buddies !!!!!!!!!
You guys couldn't polish his shoes !!!!!!!!!!!!
"OBAMA" / 2012 - GUARANTEED !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This is for - Viewer K !!!
Viewer K please do not act like you speak for Jewish Americans. Your views are unfounded, or at least provide no proof. the fact that you indirectly bring up Birther issues show that one: you aren't Jewish, two, are not smart enough to be jewish, and three are not smart enough to defend a position without running to the antisemetic card.
So if you are Jewish, then please go educate yourself and stop being an embarrassment Jews. IF you aren't Jewish then you really have no basis to speak for anyone of Jewish decent besides yourself.
Looks like Romney is in Israel filling his war chest, Mitt get your hands out of the cookie jars !!!
Many of the Jewish people in Florida are retired...and like all retired people, they are concerned about their Social Security and Medicare, which Democrats seem to support more strongly. As for their supporting Israel, that is hardly surprising, considering how much Irish-Americans did to win Ireland's freedom. The reason Eamon De Valera lived to be its first president is that he had been born in America, so the British chose not to shoot him along with the other leaders of the Easter Week Rebellion, even though he at once returned to his native country to drum up American support.
The Republicans are concerned that Medicare and Social Security don't go bankrupt. The Democrats raid MC and SS to fund their pork projects and entitlement programs.
Cassandra wake and smell the coffee. Your Dems took $600 BILLION out of medicare. That is right there well be less healthcare for seniors if you can find a doctor that will accept an medicare patients. Like Pelosi said read the healthcare bill and learn what is in it.
Prove it Llyod! Your full o S**T.
And lack of common sense, where did Obama and the Democrats put that $600 billion. Ha ha. You should look into fact check since you don't check facts.
From Fact check
The nonpartisan CBO said — also on March 18 — that the Senate bill combined with the House modifications "would produce a net reduction in federal deficits of $138 billion over the 2010–2019 period as result of changes in direct spending and revenue." CBO said the deficit reductions are likely to continue into the next decade as well — by one-quarter to one-half of a percent of the value of the nation’s economy as measured by gross domestic product, or GDP.
So how can a bill that is officially projected to reduce the deficit by $138 billion result in $600 billion in "new borrowing"? The ad’s sponsors don’t say, except to cite Fortune magazine briefly on screen. That refers to a March 12 article by Fortune Senior Editor at Large Shawn Tully, who’s been a relentless critic of Democratic health care legislation. Tully argues, for one thing, that the $371 billion cost of staving off a scheduled 21 percent cut in physicians’ fees under Medicare should be charged to the health care bill, even though it was handled separately and is not actually part of the current legislation. He even adds interest expense to the "borrowing" that he claims will result.
That accounts for roughly half the difference between CBO’s accounting and Tully’s. He makes other arguments as well, which we won’t attempt to summarize here. The Chamber’s TV ad, however, might have been more accurate had it attributed its claim to "the opinions of one business magazine columnist."
Your turn to spin the truth
Adam
You need to get up-to-date on the cost of Healthcare.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/15/health-care-reform_n_1347327.html
Jewish American here. Anecdotally, it seems like only the older generation is really deeply concerned about Israel and middle east issues. My grandmother is always sending pro-Israeli and anti-Palestinian e-mails.
For the rest of us, we're much more focused on the United States. The younger generation, like most religions, has become increasingly secular. We don't really feel any personal or emotional attachment to the middle east. For younger Jews, it's mostly about historical interest.
In fact, Clotho, I have often read that support for Israel is much stronger among Evangelical Christians than it is among Jews.
lloyd, Common;
Bush raided medicare and social security and gave it as tax breaks weighted 87% towards th rich.
Romney and rand paul want more of that.
Elderly Jewish voters in Florida will vote for any Democrat in any election. They don't want to think or be bothered by facts. They still believe that Democrats are like Truman--strong, honest and steeped in traditional American values--when in fact they are more like Pelosi, Reed and Schumer--political hacks with far left visions of a socialist America, (with them at the top as the ruling elite, of course).
Exactly the Democrat Party of years past is Gone, The Elderly need to get informed on their New Party, The Progressive Socialist Party for a New Amerika.
sorry pro i tend to disagree dont think jews are ignoring how obummo has been treating israel and dont think for one instance that we will forget that at election time mark my words that anti semite is outta here unless they figure a way to get all the illegals to vote him back in
Sorry, Pro, I tend to disagree. I don't think Jews are ignoring how [President] Obama has been treating Israel and don't think for on instance that we will forget that at election time! Mark my words: that anti-Semite is outta here unless they figure a way to get all the illegals to vote him back in.
Isn't it time that American interests were first and Israel's second?
Who the hell does the corporate whore media think they are kidding? It matters not which actor puppet occupies the White House; the reality is that Israel and Jews own Washington D.C. lock , stock, and barrel. Perpetual wars and Israel boot-licking will continue unabated; for as long as there is still money to be made, and freedoms still exist that need to be suppressed.
I think its time to stop "50" Billion in aid to Israel every year, this is beyond crazy !!!
wow sunshiney i can tell you are the heartbeat of ignorance jews and israel own washington, that would have been nice when israel was trying to gather support over the west bank issues and what did barackass do. he turned washingtons back on one of the only nations in the world to truly have the usa back, tell ya what shiny go move to the mid east. in the immortal words of the rock STFU
I am Jewish and rent a small house for me and my children. I really think some non-Jews are truly insane as they think all Jews are Billionaires. Check out Forbe's wealthiest list and many are not Jewish. We are not all wealthy, but we sure hear the comments.
What Jews do is invent things. 25% of all Noble Prizes were awarded to Jews, even though they make up only .2% of the world population. The awards are in medicine, economics, technology, from a cure for polio to Google. Every time you use your T.V. remote, you can thank a Jew. What have you all done for us? A few million dollars for Israel? wOW.
Dump Obama - He gives military support to JP Morgan as they set up gold mines in Afghanistan, but he doesn't care about Iran threatening to kill everyone.
Florida will narrowly go to Romney because of the Independents, this is going to be a close election. If the economy continues to fail, so will Obama
Obama will not back Israel in their fight for survival..... this president promises much and does not do what he says. Obama wants to keep his job and will put Israel on hold ; until , that is accomplished.
It took him Month and Months to decide if should send Reinforcements to the Middle East for our own Troops, Just Imagine how long it would take him to send aid to Israel?
Is this poster talking about the same Obama that rubber stamps $3B in just military aid to Israel every single damn year? And does this poster really mean fight for "SURVIVAL", or fight for WORLD DOMINATION by the "chosen ones". If the USA is reporting $3B in annual military aid, who knows what the real figure is - you can probably multiply it by 100 or more after you add in all of the black money. Poor Israel & Jews, always the perpetual victim.
I think if I was Jewish I would feel a little Victimized after Millions and Millions of them were Slaughtered, Also ever since they have had their own Country they have been Attacked and Threatened Relentlessly?
i agree joe but then we get these morons like sunshiney, why dont you admit it shiney your one of those ignorant muslim neophytes that cant think for themselves and need to blame others for thier misfortunes, funny you mention 3b to israel, did you forget we also give billions to pakistan and inda and many other countries but i know its because its israel and you muslim rejects just pissed because israel wont back down to you scum, and will continue to thrive with the usa backing them up when romney get5s into office, sorry middle east your token pres is almost gone
<sigh>
You know, it's a real shame when you see people who are ostensibly progressive start sounding like they've got a dog-eared copy of "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion" by their bed.
Armando, they might be provocateurs, doing their best to embarrass Obama.
Emphasis on might. Based on his posting history alone, methinks at least Patriotic American U. S. A. is the real deal.
Joseph, I totally agree with your comment. Obama is just spitting out lies again and the sooner the voters realize this the better. Everything he says and promises is a complete lie. He is just campaigning again. In fact, he has campaigned for 4 years and that is all he has done. Economy, that is a complete joke to him. He is not concerned about the economy. He is the worst President we have ever elected.
obama is no friend of the jewish people. the only friends he has are white liberals, and black fanitics, hoping they will carry him again to the white house.
How long can Obama fool the Jewish community. Like a lot of things in lfe. The opposite of what you are being told is the truth.
To the Florida Jewish community. Remember this:
Obama has weakened the US/Israel relationship.
Obama has bowed his head in greeting Islamic country leaders.
Obama wants Israel to return to the boarders that existed prior to the 7 Day War.
Consider what another 4 years of Obama in the White House will do to further erode the US/Israel relationship! Let's rebuild what has been lost with that relationship and protect what is left by putting Romney in office.
Hey Harry, get that info from bazooka bubble gum wrappers ?????????????? ( "HogWash" )
Patriotic American....
Everything I said is true. After all I got it from the liberal based MSNBC! So it must be true! Instead of saying what I stated as being "hogwash", why don't you give me some facts to prove that is isn't true. I don't believe that you can.
Hey ContemptMe, Thats where Romney is going "HELL"
Jews don't blindly hate Muslims. They both share a history of anti-religious violence. You're thinking of Christians.
Why would any Jew vote for a Democrat? Democrats hate Israel and Obama is ready to toss them under the bus. What is it that Jews like about Democrats? Many Jews work for a living and don't expcet others to care for them. I just don't get it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1Hai7ZcF6U&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJgWMI0hch8&feature=related
Watermoon, the Jewish religion teaches salvation through good works. "Charity gives life" is the saying. That is why Jewish people tend to give so much time and money to charities, while also supporting government aid to the poor.
How could Israel do better than Obama? No movement on the Peace Plan why Israel continues to create "facts on the ground"; and when Obama had his big chance to support Palestinian statehood at the UN last summer he balked to preserve the status quo.
Why any Jew would vote for Obama is beyond me. Do they really think Obama has their best interests in mind. Obama supports most anti Jewish organizations and wouldn't cry a tear if his friends in the muslim world had their way.
A vote for obama is a vote against the jews and israel..
this mooslim is not your friend!
end the mistake of 08!
Pres. Obama said that the Middle East should go back to the 1967 borders . At that time, Israel was 12 miles wide and a rocket or mortar could strike any place in the country that it wanted. Going back to the 1967 borders as the start of peace talks would be almost amount to an annihilation of Israel. Pres. Obama is the first anti-Israeli president that I know of and he will be the first Democrat but I will not vote for!! Also, he has done absolutely nothing for our economy!
Every article msnbc creates about the election is based on the impact on the President, I an't say i have ever seen anything like it from a "news" organization.
Im a Jew who strongly supports Obama and most American Jews I know support two states side by side and actually are pissed off at Israel building settlements on land that might end up being Palestine.
expanding its borders is for the protection of israel who seeks to co-exist with the the palestinians
who seek for the total annhilation of israel and jews.
how more plain can it be?
You need to read up on the situation more, to get ALL the information to have a logical opinion. It is not as easy as most people think it is. The Palestinians have made it clear, Worldwide, the DESTRUCTION and annihilation of Israel. Israel could have destroyed the Palestinians years ago if they didn't want Peace. This is all Israel wants, because the Palestinians need Israel and has NOTHING that Israel wants or needs from them. You liberals make up illogical decisions based on little or no information. NO common sense used at all.
Nemo, as a good Democrat, I am BEGGING you not to publically support Obama on that basis.
Being raised in a Ultra Conservative Judaism household, then thinking in some ways towards reform, I have no intention of supporting Obama for another term. He has shown he is anti Israel and anti Judaism, except when the vote is needed. Obama is anti religion. Obama supports the Palestinians, due to being a Muslim and financially. I doubt Obama would come through if a war breaks out in the Middle East. America and Israel cannot afford another 4 years of Obama. In addition, Obama has done everything in his power to divide and ruin America, by not demanding more out of Congress and being a very, very weak president, both domestic and especially internationally. ABO in 2013!!
What an apt moniker. You're truly "fuzzy" in the head. See you at the voting booth in 2013. Lummox!
I hope you're not really Jewish, or you're an embarrassment to me and my people. Your opinions are based entirely on made up lies.
Looking through your post history, it seems you are not really Jewish. Phew.
Excuse me, we US taxpayers don’t pay taxes to support Israel and Israel alone. Unless you’ve been living under a Golan Heights rock pile for the last few years you should know that the US economy turned to s**t in 2008/2009 and we’re only just now trying to get out of that hole. The fewer dollars we have available must be spent wisely between strategic, diplomatic and effective tactical (but less costly) efforts across the entire Middle East in order to protect our regional interests. We need money to move personnel and weaponry across the theater in Pakistan/Afghanistan while continuing to support intelligence efforts to undermine any effort that destabilizes the region and the world any further. All that s**t cost money that we lose when people like Mr. Flip Flopper sticks his money in offshore accounts and tax shelters to minimize their tax liability. And, it doesn’t help that hard-liners like BeBe Neten-yahoo fail to understand that stubbornness and sheer stupidity re: peace negotiations and settlements does a disservice to ALL of us! I count many individuals of Jewish persuasion among my friends. But, as Moses himself observed during the sojourn, if you’re too freakin’ obstinate and stubborn to think no other opinions matter, then I say vote for the guy who’d say just about anything to get your damn vote. By November he’ll be touting his non-existent Jewish heritage. Just don’t b**ch about not being able to get a colonoscopy with a voucher after he “repeals Obamacare” and then raids Medicare to give Israel everything it wants. ‘Nuf said.
It's all about money to some. America cannot survive if we allow Obama to continue to alienate our long-time friends and allies. He kow-tows to the Saudi king while heaping crap on those who have stood with us for decades. Pathetic!
They stood with us for decades because of the "AID $$$$$$" we give them, Hey bill - Get real ???
Clotho; Mad in CT
It seems that again liberals can only rant without saying a complete sentence to say what they are ranting about. Then you make some uneducated, unsupported, ignorant comment, that makes NO sense what so ever. As far as you being Jewish, I doubt it, because most Jews even being liberal can talk intelligently, which you have said nothing at all. Just because you may have had a mohel do your brisse, you are still a real schmuck. You liberals don't even know why you are voting for Obama, because it sure isn't due to him improving the employment, Welfare, business and even people moving to other countries. Obama has tripled the Welfare and Food Stamp programs and has the highest unemployment in history. He has the highest deficit in history above all previous presidents. Unemployment is over 550,000 jobs less than when Obama took office. You cannot state one(1) true thing that Obama has done to improve anything in America. You liberals are the cause of America heading in the same direction as Germany took before it became Communist. You are truly a mitzvah for the Jewish religion. not. You are definitely a poor excuse of a person in your comments, needless to say a poor Jewish example supporting a want to be Hitler. Try reading for once in your life about the Holocaust and you may change your mind about Obama. The only difference between Obama and Hitler, is Hitler was a genius and Obama has a Narcissistic personality disorder, which everything he does or says shows it and proves it..
Hey Fuzzhead--
You're obviously NOT a bright Jew (if indeed you are one). You sound more like a disgruntled, Glen-Beckian, Nazi skin-head who picked up a few Yiddish terms lunching at the corner deli on matzah ball soup and knishes between the Klan indoctrination sessions!
It is sad to say, but it is not the Jews who are abandoning the Democratic Party little by little and bit by bit. It is the Democratic party moving far to the left, who have abandoned (among others) the JEWS. This party is no longer the party of F.D.R. and Harry Truman, who helped at great personal expense to establish the State of Israel in 1948., Nor is it the party of J.F.K. who now, would be too "conservative" to receive the Democratic nomination. Hopefully my people will eventually regain their "seychil" and become INDEPENDENT.
Uh, please. It's sad to see how you are abandoning reason and common sense. You've obviously taken leave of your senses!
Mad in CT
And you never had any senses or common sense! You can't miss what you never had. Your use to it!
Wow all the name calling and insults. I think the libs are ahead by a 80% margin.
Just a independent.
It is beyond me how any American Jew could vote for Obama.
It is beyond me how any American Jew could vote for Romney !!!
Watch out, the "Mormons are calling, this Clown would throw the middle class Jews under the Bus for his Mega rich buddies !!!
Anybody count the number of mega rich Jewish citizens there are in the US? And, these are the ones dumping Obama.
You liberals are really a JOKE. You are too ignorant to see the bus coming. The bus has come and running over all Americans for nearly 4 years. Obama is the biggest JOKER and Fraud in history. I can not believe how the socialist education system has brainwashed you people. From Obama, unions, politicians, government employees, are all screwing America. We are no longer a republic, but heading on path for a socialist, communist America. More Americans denounced their nationality last year than in history, due to Obama. There is no more middle class at all. The more people on government entitlements the more power and control Obama and the government have. They are controlling ALL Americans, just like Nazi Germany. Wake up America and don't let the radical, illogical liberals, win their socialist, communist beliefs over the rest of us. Obama means "1 world government, 1 world religion"!
What you neocons/teabaggers/evan-taliban don't realize is that Jewsih perfer their leaders (outside of Isreal) to be secular - FOR ODVIOUS REASONS!
Fixed that for you.