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Mitt Romney still has a chance to define himself for voters at several key junctures left in this campaign, in spite of the Obama campaign’s furious efforts to paint the presumptive GOP nominee essentially as a corporate raider and out-of-touch millionaire.
President Obama’s team has poured millions into advertising that voices suspicions about Romney’s personal wealth and his time at Bain Capital in hopes of priming voters’ perceptions of the former Massachusetts governor. In turn, the Romney campaign has been knocked off-message in recent weeks by questions surrounding his departure from Bain and demands that he release additional years of tax returns.
Evan Vucci / AP
Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney leaves a fundraiser July 16 in Baton Rouge, La.
“It's incredibly disciplined,” said Bob Shrum, the longtime Democratic consultant, of the Obama campaign’s efforts. “They obviously knew what they were doing coming out of the primary. They obviously tested these tactics in focus groups and polling.”
But if the Romney campaign is sweating these attacks, the public would never know it. The Boston-based team hasn’t budged in the face of demands – even from conservatives – that Romney release more tax returns. And they’ve waved off questions about Romney’s retirement from Bain as a distraction.
GOP frets about swing state toll on Romney from Bain attacks
There is evidence the Obama campaign’s attacks have taken a toll on Romney among voters in swing states, especially ones with heightened scrutiny of outsourcing. But Republicans are quick to note that Romney still has ample opportunities to introduce himself to voters – on his own terms.
“Mitt Romney, when you look at the race, there’s nine or 10 really consequential hours left in the campaign,” said Steve Schmidt, a senior adviser to Arizona Sen. John McCain’s 2008 presidential campaign.
In short, Republicans believe that few voters have yet to tune in fully to the campaign, and that Romney has several opportunities to reach voters who might be less familiar with his background and record.
There have been indications that the first opportunity, Romney’s selection of a running mate, could come as early as this week. Senior adviser Eric Fehrnstrom on Monday wouldn’t rule out a pick this week for reporters, and the Romney campaign continued to stoke speculation Tuesday morning by announcing senior staff for the impending VP pick.
First Thoughts: Don't bet on an early VP pick
And Romney will have other opportunities to make his case in an unfettered medium to voters who are thought to start paying more close attention to the campaign at the end of summer. The Republican National Convention next month in Tampa, if executed well, could prove a chance to lionize Romney and the GOP ticket. And the three scheduled presidential debates this fall between Obama and Romney will prove a pivotal opportunity for voters to size up the two candidates versus each other.
Moreover, there are other inflection points that might allow Romney to seize control of the media narrative – among them his foreign tour later this month that will take him to the Summer Olympics in London and, afterward, to Israel.
“Voters by definition don’t lock in until the entirety of the process plays out,” said Schmidt. “We’re about to enter a phase of the campaign where there are a number of events that are watched by tens of millions of people that could affect the trajectory of the race.”
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But there are potential liabilities associated with simply trying to wait out the summertime bickering between the campaigns.
Case-in-point: the 2004 presidential campaign, when withering attacks from the outside conservative group “Swift Boat Veterans for Truth” took aim at Democratic nominee John Kerry’s military record.
Those attacks, said Shrum, didn’t necessarily convince voters that Kerry was unqualified to serve as commander in chief, but he said they did “disrupt our campaign for two to three weeks.”
Mark McKinnon, a former political adviser to President George W. Bush’s campaign, said the similarities between the 2004 Republican campaign and Obama’s re-election effort were “spooky.”
Among the most striking similarities, he said, are Bush and Obama’s shared effort to make the race into a choice between the two candidates rather than a referendum on the incumbent’s first term – an important strategy given the potential vulnerabilities Bush had on foreign policy and Obama suffers on the economy.
And Bush, like Obama, also spent early and heavily to frame the race.
Some conservatives have even openly mentioned the possibility that Romney might be “Swift Boated” in reference to the attacks he now faces from the Obama campaign. It’s part of the reason that the right has begun to clamor for a more aggressive response by Romney to the president’s attacks.
If he loses this fall, the former Massachusetts governor might find himself the victim of the second-guessing that inevitably follows a party’s losing electoral effort. And if he wins, Romney might be the beneficiary of the same praise heaped on the Obama campaign for its supposedly disciplined and unrattled operation.
“That’s how you win campaigns,” said Shrum. “Having a good strategy, consistently executed is much better than constantly searching for a perfect strategy and intermittently executing it.”
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Will the real Willard Romney... please stand up?
Good to see Democrat's playing hard-ball for a change!
Hey did you hear how Willard outsourced the 2002 Olympic uniforms to Burma of all places?
Now we know why senior campaign advisor Ed Gillespie couldn't answer a simple yes or no question... lmao!
I almost feel sorry for Mitt...
I said almost... lol
It's a little late for that. Romney has already defined himself as an untruthful rich guy who hides his millions in the Cayman Islands, hides his tax returns, likes to fire people, the king of outsourcing, a job creator for China. That's just about describes him. He is not the solution for America; he's the problem.
You should feel sorry for the Kids of America. Obama has racked up a $16,000,000,000,000.00 tab, and our economy still sucks.
What Romney and his advisers did not anticipate was the fact that President Obama DOES know how to fight. For all his aplomb and cool, the President is a top-notch politician. The BS about Chicago-style politics is just that - BS. Politics is politics - the geography is irrelevant.
Romney's virtually complete disconnect from the American public will be exploited in every particular. From his off-shore accounts, his ridiculously low tax-rate, his constant flip-flopping, and worse, to his lies that are so patently transparent even the dumbest of Republicans can see through them, President Obama is going to dismember Romney.
Only the most delusional and ignorant citizens will vote for Romney.
GermanGem wrote:
Wow! Even Fox viewers know that's an outright lie.
Feisty, Romney is covering up his past so desperately.
I'll bet he has made A LOT MORE bets against America. I bet Romney is hiding A LOT MORE offshored accounts and more undisclosed $$mills/bills in the woodwork.
After almost a decade of running for President, Mitt Romney knows that showing a couple of decades of tax returns, is an absolute necessity and requirement for a job of such magnitude.
Romney's father George set the STANDARD for financial disclosure, when he released 12 years of his own tax returns.
Good to see you again David!
The other thing I find ironic is Willard's incessant whining about attack ads, when he & his billionaire buddies carpet bombed the competition during the primary...
Are they really that naive to believe the President doesn't know how to throw a knock-out punch?
Sadly, it appears they are...
David- That amount is from US DebtClock.ORG, a NON-PARTISAN orginization. EVERY AMERICAN should look at the numbers.
Feisty
Please comment on the stupid remarks you idol made about how nobody can make it in business without the help from (him) the government. As Charles Krauthamer stated " what does Obama know about business, he's never even run a candy store."
David Walker - Obama is playing chess while Romney is playing checkers.
I know.
What really sucks is that the Bush tax cuts have cost 2.2 T.
And the two wars have cost ~3 T.
And Medicare part D is ~ 8 T.
Now top all of that off with 400 B in interest...
Man...we should totally stop fighting wars and raise taxes on the top earners, right?
The only thing our children will thank us for is removing the Teapublican fringe from existence.
Are you sure there is a real Romney? Do we even suppose Mitt even knows who that guy is at this point?
To bad The definiton of Obama has been now written in stone.
One of utter failure.
Look, Tek still thinks Obama is running against George W Bush.
Come on Tek, get with the program, this is Obama's economy.
And it sucks.
Will you admit that the Obama team is lying in their ads. The Bain and SEC has already been proven false by CNN, Washington Post, Fortune Magazine, and Factcheck.org to name a few. On the outsourcing factcheck. org has also said it is not true. As the President said in 2008
"if you have no record to run on make sure you paint your opponent as someone to run from"
If that does not identify the President's campaign what does?
German Gem,
The actual facts are President Obama did not Rack up a up a $16,000,000,000,000.00 tab.
Please see links that show:
The actual facts, "under Obama, federal spending is rising at the slowest pace since Dwight Eisenhower brought the Korean War to an end in the 1950s."
Actual federal spending was higher under Reagan.
http://articles.marketwatch.com/2012-05-22/commentary/31802270_1_spending-federal-budget-drunken-sailor
http://mediamatters.org/research/201205240001
What the hell are the libbies going to do after the November elections? The failed administration will be packing their bags to go home and business leaders will be making their plans to get America back on track. And the libbies will be doing what? Probably whining about the way Americans were too stupid to vote the right way because of all the money spent. Or trying to tell us that their side just wasn't fired up eneough and wait until next time. Whatever they do I won't care because America is going to be better off.
LEAN FORWARD libbies, just try not to fall on your face
1/20/2013 - the end of an error
Job1 - check actual facts and see that the spending was done by democrats, not Bush.
Your right on David Walker, Obama is a top notch politician. A crooked one at that, he can lie with the best of them, he can deceive with the best of them, tell you what you want to hear with the best of them, keep you poor and ignorant with the best of them, use taxpayers money to buy votes with the best of them, and make bend over spread your cheeks and you love him for it.
Mark McKinnon, a former political adviser to President George W. Bush’s campaign, said the similarities between the 2004 Republican campaign and Obama’s re-election effort were “spooky.”
Karma bites, doesn't it, Republicans? As someone who was appalled at the swiftboating of John Kerry in 2004, I'm delighted to see the Democrats take control, this early, of Romney's persona.
Frankly, the Republicans made it easy, nominating a vulture capitalist on the heels of the financial crisis of 2008. What were they thinking?
GermanGem:
The U.S. Debt Clock shows CUMULATIVE debt. You write, "EVERY AMERICAN should look at the numbers."
I couldn't agree with you more. EVERY AMERICAN should ALSO UNDERSTAND the numbers....Germans too.
The definition of Obama is quite clear. A big spending, low production ignorant pol from Illinois.
job 1, please, for the sake of America's children, go to US DebtClock.ORG and compare the numbers from 2008 and 2012. Obama spent $6,000,000,000,000.00 and our economy still sucks. Obama does not know what he's doing, and whats worse is that he's racking up a debt that will take GENERATIONS to pay off.
WCA,
Bush? No. He's running against the Republican Party Policies which are still handicapping us and will continue to do so until we end them all, embodied by a do-nothing congress and the (R)ominee who want to return to them.
And he'll win because of it.
Even Alex Castellanos group, Purple Strategies, can't hold water for the (R)ominee in Ohio any longer.
The Tea Party has pulled you all over to the Short Bus.
Actually, The spending Bills are signed by the President and that President at the time was Bush.
Amy,
They were thinking that somebody who has a record of 80% of the businesses he invested in still being in business 8 years later is a good thing not something to be demonized.
They think that success is a result of hard work, innovative thinking and risk taking, not because the government built a road with the taxes generated by the working people and profitable corporations.
"If you've got a business - you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen"
The words of Barack Hussein Obama, proving to everyone that he is a Marxist.
Vote him out before he totally collapses our economy and our American way of life.
Obama has racked up a $16,000,000,000,000.00 tab (1.4)
Obama spent $6,000,000,000,000.00 (1.20)
German"Cubic Zirconia" Gem is funny....
How exactly does one go about building a business without employees & customers?
Don't like facts screeminglib?
Romney doesn't have to "define" a damned thing in order to win this election. All he has to do is keep pointing out Obama's 4 year long failure to improve any aspect of the economy.
"It's the economy, stupid"......and unfortuneately for Obama, that fact ain't gonna go away, despite all of the lame attacks on Romney, his tax returns, Bain and other crap that nobody cares about.
You mean like the Bush (now Obama) tax cuts? That "Republican Party" policy? You mean like the massive deficit spending, about 5 times more per year than the "Republican Party" policy? You mean like "achieving" 2% GDP growth, less than half the growth from the "Republican Party" policies?
Seems like Obama just super-sized the "Republican Party" policies. And we see the results.
With your own Blood,Sweat and Tears. You should try it some time.
teknishan -
Ah ..... the lib's favorite lie.
Clinton’s best year, 2000, generated revenue of $2.025 trillion.
(After Bush’s tax cuts in 2003 had time to take effect:)
Bush’s revenue in 2005 was $2.153 trillion. 6% above Clinton’s best year.
Bush’s revenue in 2006 was $2.406 trillion. 16% above Clinton’s best.
Bush’s revenue in 2007 was $2.568 trillion. 21% above Clinton’s best.
Bush’s revenue in 2008 was $2.524 trillion. 20% above Clinton’s best.
The combined cost of the two wars, plus changes costs associated with 9/11, were $760 billion - around 1/2 of what Obama overspends every year.
In an interview with Obama about 4 years ago, Charlie Gibson pointed out that history has proven in many/most cases that raising capital-gains taxes led to less revenue being collected (rich simply moved their money to shelters) – and conversely, lowering rates had increased revenue collected by the government (rich invested ,made money and paid taxes) .
Obama admitted it. But as Obama told Gibson - it was really a matter of “fairness.”
Obama actually uses the words tax and penalty synonymously. When Obama says he wants to tax tax the job creators/rich (over $200k a year) he is saying in effect he wants to penalize the job creators .... all for revenue Obama admits isn't generated.
And this is fairness - penalizing the job creators for the middle class for nonexistent revenue?
How does that help?
America needs a president with more than a community organizers understanding of the economy.
Floyd....here is the full context of the President's remarks. You listen to too much Fox and read too much right wing propaganda:
Posted by Dennis on an earlier thread...thanks
The context of the Roanoke, VA speech:
If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business — you didn’t build that (unbelievable American system). Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn’t get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet. The point is, is that when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2012/07/13/remarks-president-campaign-event-roanoke-virginia
Romney should hold a TOWN HALL meeting
and answer voters questions.
This sums up Obama: President Obama's team has poured millions into advertising that voices suspicions about Romney's personal wealth and his time at Bain Capital in hopes of priming voters' perceptions of the former Massachusetts governor.
That's all he has. No record to run on just attack ads. Obama's first campaign showed what a self absorbed narcissist he is and now he showing he's still a Chicago low life mud slinger. I can't wait until he's out of office...he's is simply revolting.
Romney is success personified. Romney born into wealth gave way his entire inheritance and started over living with Ann in a $70 a week apartment just after marrying. He built the most admired capital investment firm in the country. As Bill Clinton described he had a "stellar" business career. He made money lots and lots of it for himself, his family, his business partners and their families, his employees and their families. 80% (an unheard of success rate) of the failing businesses Mitt took over were turned around and became profitable.
He was a very successful governor of Massachusetts for 4 years in which he took the unemployment rate from 5.3% to 4.7%. He took a significant deficit and turned it into a surplus (unfortunately Deval Patrick, democrat pissed through the Romney's surplus and another 4 billion we didn't have all in just two years).
Then, of course, Romney saved the Olympics.
Everything Mitt touches turns to gold. Mitt is brilliant.
The choice is success (Romney) or failure (Obama).
The America haters on this vine will always back the failed Marxist. But if you just came by to check things out and actually like America the choice is clear.
Romney/Rubio 2012
They think that success is a result of hard work, innovative thinking and risk taking,
To be successful at the level Romney is, you have to start out with someone else's money, preferably millions of dollars, like the amount Bain provided to start Bain Capital. (You weren't going to tell me Romney started in the mail room, were you?)
I know lots of businessmen who took more risk then Romney, worked unbelieveably hard and built successful businesses, but certainly not ones that make them 120 million a year in retirement. Now Romney's son is following in his footsteps, tapping his father's friends for money to start his own investment company. The rich are (generally) not like you and me. They have connections we don't.
"If you've got a business - you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen"
How exactly does one go about building a business without employees & customers?
Thanks for continuing to repeat Obama's very words. It's important that America understands who Obama really is.
Our country was not built on Marxism. We are capitalists. Obama has hidden his true colors for four years. But every once in a while he lets his mouth get ahead of himself and he exposes his true belief system.
You can take the one line or the entire speech. Theres no mistaking his context.
Obama is a Marxist!
Mitt 'defining' Mitt is a bit like nailing jello to the wall. Nothing really seems to stick and you're all covered in slime at the end of the endeavor.
Good luck with that, Willard.
Please take time to read the links and get the FACTS.
http://articles.marketwatch.com/2012-05-22/commentary/31802270_1_spending-federal-budget-drunken-sailor
http://mediamatters.org/research/201205240001
I'm waiting on a REPUBLICAN to answer the question Feisty posed.....
HOW THE HECK DOES ONE BECOME SUCCESSFUL AND BUILD A BUSINESS
WITHOUT CUSTOMERS AND EMPLOYEES??????
little bob numbers
selective EDITING Much? I mean you discount the entire FIRST Bush term, right? The cuts occurred in the first six months of Bush and now you are saying we can't enjoy the cumulative 'effect' of them until 2005?
SURELY you are willing to give President Obama the same LUXURY, right?
and I always thought Germans at least had a handle on basic math,...something tells me her calculator doesn't go past the first comma. Repeating lies does not make them FACTS,...
and yet you foxies guzzle it up like gatorade at a Florida Home Game.
Rob just in case you are missing my above post,
here is the full context of the President's remarks. You listen to too much Fox and read too much right wing propaganda:
Posted by Dennis on an earlier thread...thanks
The context of the Roanoke, VA speech:
If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business — you didn’t build that (unbelievable American system). Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn’t get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet. The point is, is that when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2012/07/13/remarks-president-campaign-event-roanoke-virginia
Feisty Redhead Roselle, IL
you reminded me of the YouTube video made by a guy from Australia. People from the other side of the world get it right, so why are some people so gullible to belive that Romney is the good guy?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxch-yi14BE
Well said Rob in Mass.
This article is all about Romney defining himself at the behest of Obama's campaign. It isn't speaking about the success that Romney has had in almost everything he has done.
Obama is running strictly on trying to discredit Romney (and not doing a good job of it either). Why isn't he running on HIS successes? Why isn't he running on HIS accomplishments?
Oh...because in the last 4 years he doesn't have any? (don't go thowing that nightmare Obamacare as a success...that is a mess inflicted on the people of the United States...and 53% of the country agrees with me).
Where is the First Read article about Obama demonizing the small business owner?
Until yesterday, I thought this race may be close because this community organizer seems to have been able to fool a lot of the simpler people. But, that little speech yesterday about successful people not earning thier successes and that the government is the only path to success...well, that is all Romney is going to need.
It is truly sad to see someone this inept, out of touch, and unAmerican as the president.
"If you've got a business - you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen"
Rab in Mass - O was referring to infrastructure. If it were left up to big business, we'd still be driving around on dirt roads, and swimming across rivers.....
Obama/Biden 2012
Amy,
I prefer the Bain approach to investing INVESTOR money in speculative investments versus Barack investing TAXPAYER dollars in speculative investments (see Solyndra). Face it, we need someone in office who has REAL experience with the economy. Unfortunately, our current POTUS has no clue how to fix it as he has never had to relate to regular people. He has been a failure on every economic front and for the good of the country he must go. I appreciate his efforts and actually think he did a decent job on foreign policy (other than the "we in the USA suck world tour"). However, we need a leader at this point, and not a divider and liar. It is time for a change and not just hope. Hope time is over. Time to bring in the adults.
The welfare/food stamp president redefined work twice in two days: if you own a business you didn't do it yourself and he revoked the Clinton welfare reform so the work requirement now defines work as anything but work. more welfare for his voters
Boy Rob you started your post off in the first paragraph with a big lie nobodies heard before. Then continued your lies in the second paragraph, then continued with more lies in the third paragraph, then tried to make the idiot Romney look like a brilliant man in the fourth paragraph (which failed), then tried to compare Romney to President Obama in paragraph five which had the opposite effect from what you were looking for, then by the sixth paragraph you were so angry you lost it because nobody was believing your lies and started with your hate.
You build a business by creating a plan that will decrease the cost, improve the quality, and/or the availability of your product/service when compared to your competitors. You hire your employees at a competitive price to compensate them for the skills they bring to your company. You attract your customers with a product/service that is better than your competitors. You work hard, take well calculated risks, hope for a little luck, and if you achieve all three, your business might be successful, and it better be because there is no elses name on the loan you used to get the start up capital from the bank, so no one else will be there to bail you out if you fail. You see, everyone wants a part of you if you're successful, but no one will be there to help you if you fail..
When you are successful, you will be continuously barraged with mindless government regulations, constant threats of additional taxation, and the politics of you being evil because you were successful - but only from the Democrats.
German gal:
You obviously have no understanding of anything you are posting. I notice you retreated quickly from your false accusation that Obama racked up the full balance of America's current debt. Congrats for acknowledging how ridiculous that statement was.
Now you seem to have retreated by $10 Trillion, down to $6 trillion. My question to you is exactly what policy of Obamas racked up $6 Trillion in debt? Please note there is a big difference between getting stuck with the bar bill from the drunken sailor who couldn't pay his bills and actually racking up debt?
Please address the question, with specifics: What policy of Obama's has created this fantastic debt you are referring to? Could it be the Bush tax cuts, medicare part D, unfunded wars? What exactly drives the current deficits, genius?
Secondly, are you aware that Obama proposed a $10 Trillion deficit reduction package that was spurned by Republicans who then proudly boasted they got 98% of what they wanted?
"If you've got a business - you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen"
Rab in Mass - O was referring to infrastructure. If it were left up to big business, we'd still be driving around on dirt roads, and swimming across rivers.....
If it were left up to Obama and government this nation would be so broke we would have to outsource the building of all our infrastructure much like Obama outsourced our entire space program.
Obama is bankrupting the US with his Marxist ideology.
Fiesty,
To answer your question, in my case my wife and I worked for other people and saved our money so we could live a few years on our savings, we then purchased a small travel agency with one employee and through the service we provided we found new customers who were using other agencies. As demand for our services grew we hired employees and now have 18 people working for us. Eight years later we then decided to start a family.
You have to attract customers to use the services you provide by offering them something your competitors do not
I don't know what the point is but let me take a stab at this.
Success comes, not from getting customers, but from making a product that people want to buy. If you write a best seller your success isn't because lots of people bought you book but because you wrote a book that many people want to read. It's a huge distinction and gives credit where credit is due. What you, feisty and Obama are trying to do is give credit to the customers, not the producer. If the product sucked there would be no customers. If the business idea didn't work or was poorly run there would be no employees.
“You built a factory out there? Good for you. But I want to be clear: you moved your goods to market on the roads the rest of us paid for; you hired workers the rest of us paid to educate; you were safe in your factory because of police forces and fire forces that the rest of us paid for. You didn’t have to worry that marauding bands would come and seize everything at your factory, and hire someone to protect against this, because of the work the rest of us did.
“Now look, you built a factory and it turned into something terrific, or a great idea? God bless. Keep a big hunk of it. But part of the underlying social contract is you take a hunk of that and pay forward for the next kid who comes along.”
Liz Warren
Ironic that a president who wants to take 100% credit for offing OBL wants entrepreneurs to share the credit for creating successful business
MO-681343 - that has got to be one of the best dissections of a post ever! Made my day!
Very well put Q22. Libs really want the masses to believe they can't make it on their own without the government prodding them along every step of the way. As for Feisty and the rest of the lib posters in here I'd bet the majority are just disillusioned failures trying to place blame on anybody but themselves while they wait for their next handout from the Welfare King.
Joe-755363
Governor of Massachusetts = D-
Olympics = “He heroically bailed out the Salt Lake City Olympic Games by heroically going to Congress and asking them for tens of millions of dollars to bail out the Salt Lake games — in an earmark, in an earmark for the Salt Lake Olympic games. Rick Santorum
Bain? we don't really know how Willard made his money at Bain because he will not let us in on the secret. We know about Ampads and Stericycle but could there be more skeleton's in Romney's closets??
Joe, since Romney REFUSES to talk about pretty much anything, how do you even know who Romney is and what Romney has done?
Hey JAS1 -- Still can't BUILD it without customers and employees. The fact is that the tax payer is on the hook if business goes bankrupt. Remember they privatize profit and socialize loss.
Please. Businesses pay taxes for the same infrastructure and services everyone else gets. Spare us the cry story that someone else did the paying and the business paid nothing. In fact the businesses paid more, much much more.
You have the same right and opportunity as any business owner to start your own business, use the same roads and have the same government services available to your business, and to pay the additional taxes you'd pay. It's your choice.
All the while Obama trashes capitalism he violates the law by re-writing the Welfare Reform Act of 1996.
The undisputed success of the Act hinged on work requirements that Obama single handled has dismantled.
Obama is king of the welfare state. He wants to increase the number of people dependant on the government to further his "transformational" goal of moving the US from a capitalist society to his favored Marxist philosophy.
upset- personal attacks and name calling are unbecoming
Obama racked up the debt by spending enormous amounts of money on things that did NOTHING to grow our economy. I did not make up the numbers, they can be found at US DebtClock.ORG
Obama is a failure. Only those on the government dole want 4 more years of his incompetance and do not care about the CHILDREN of America.
Feisty Redhead Roselle, IL
"How exactly does one go about building a business without employees & customers?"
I don't agree with most of your comments but I do read them.
If you truly believe in your sentence "How exactly... etc." then you have no clue how small business works.
Obamas statement also shows a complete lack of understanding and to say that the road and bridges et al made it possible is laughable. The govt. regulations and paper work on a small business is about 15% of the job anymore (yes that means about 8 to 10 hours per week out of my 60+ hour work week), so its not helping at all but hindering.
Really? Maybe the bank is on the hook, but they'll just repossess the assets and sell them to another business owner. No taxpayer involvement at all, that's how bankruptcy works, well, unless you're GM where the taxpayer is indeed still on the hook. Or are you confused on how that works?
Don't_Carry_it_all, I'll be happy to answer.
Actually Fiesty is right, however, Obama never said anything about customers and employees. Being an avowed Marist why would he? As "Gingerbread Mamma" so kindly posted Obama's full statement it showed he DID NOT mention customers and employees even once. ( I love when liberals step on their own tongues). What he clearly said was that if not for daddy gov businesses wouldn't happen - which anyone with half an understanding of business knows is utter garbage.
Rob in Mass -
Let's set the record straight about Mitt Romney:
Not True. Ann Romney said in a 1994 interview with the Boston Globe that Mitt Romney sold off stock that his father had bought for him so that they had money to live on as married college students.
Not so successful. Massachusetts ranked 47th out of 50 states in job creation, lagging behind other states in an era of economic growth. The unemployment rate went down mostly because thousands of people left MA to find jobs in other states.
Romney managed the deficit by increasing taxes and fees. A previously enacted Capital Gains Tax netted $1.3 billion in revenue, new and increased fees added $501 million, and local property taxes went up by $100 million (Romney signed a bill legalizing the increased taxes).
His final approval rating in MA was 34%, so dismal he decided not to run for reelection.
Mitt Romney "saved" the Salt Lake City Olympics by raising ticket prices 14 percent above the previous games and auctioning off the best tickets on the Internet. He promised Bank of America executives that they'd get paid back before taxpayers if they extended more credit. Romney also lobbied Congress until George Bush entered the White House and put Olympic spending in the budget. So basically Romney "saved" the Olympics by increasing fees and government subsidies.
Wow. A little "over the top", don't you think?
Employees at Dade Behring, Stage Stores, Ampad, GS Technologies, Details, and KB Toys might disagree. These are six quick examples of successful companies purchased by Bain Capital, who extracted huge management fees then ran them into bankruptcy- AFTER raiding their pension funds and sticking the governemtn with the tab.
I will admit, Roney does have a knack for making money. He even found a way to be "Pro-Life" yet still make money from Abortions. In 1999 Bain Capitla and several other Romney-owned companies bought Stericycle, a medical-waste disposal company that had a lucrative contract to dispose of aborted fetuses from family -planning clinics.
That Romney, he really has the Midas touch.......
Great. Because I do own my own business and have since 1997.
Like Liz Warren and President Obama say; Ive been able to operate successfully within the social fabric weve all contributed to. I didnt do it ALL by myself.....
bob-1805084
bob, all you are really telling me with your post is that even though Clinton had less in revenue, he was able to hand over a low unemployment, smaller government, no wars, balanced budget, low debt, etc.
and while Bush had all this extra cash coming in, he increased unemployment, increased government, lied through his teeth to start two wars, increased deficits, and most importantly, INCREASED OUR DEBT.
Basically, how bad would this country be because of Bush, had Clinton not given him a gift and Bush did not have extra cash lying around??????
Bob, thanks for putting it in perspective for us!
JoAnnaSmith1 --
What about government backed SBA loans? The bank may sell assets, doesn't mean it will recoup and any losses banks incur they write off.
What Are Government-Backed Loans and How Do They Work?
He was a successful Republican Governor of a very, very liberal state. He was successful because he was able to - listen to this, bay, it's really important - WORK WITH HIS POLITICAL OPPONENTS. A skill that eludes Obama.
When he took over the Olympics in SLC it was a mess. His predecessors had squandered the funds and made a huge mess of the project. So yes, he requested and received additional funding - not for himself personally or for any business advantage - but to make sure that the Olympics, hosted in the U.S., were a success. He not only got more funding but worked tirelessly to ensure that the additional funding was used to maximum efficiency. In the end the Winter Olympics in Salt Lake City was deemed one of the most successful Olympics on record.
There is no secret. Bain - through thorough research - targeted business opportunities to either invest in as a start up (like Staples or Home Depot) or buy and rehab. Not every venture worked but he has a much more impressive record than does Obama who also invests (tax payer dollars as opposed to private funds) in business ventures, Many of Obama's investments have folded or outsourced their labor. The hypocrisy is stunning.
German Gem ...
Wars have a tendency to do that . . . . Or were you thinking it was all on welfare?
jerry l lotsanumbers:
You couldn't have picked a better example to illustrate President Obama's point. You built your business with others' help........BIG TIME.
First, someone saw a need and met it. Clearly he must have read consumer need correctly because he hired you and gave you a paycheck. He signed the front, you signed the back......to borrow from a lame low-watt intellect right-winger.
You saved and noted a consumer demand....travelers who were willing to pay for a quality service. You read the demand correctly and prospered. Good for you.
Now, let me ask you this. Did they travel on a cruise? Who built the harbors? Did they fly? Who built the airports? Did they fly commercially? Who subsidized the creation of jetliners? Did they travel on the roads? Who built the Interstate system? Did they travel by rail? Who made a transcontinental railroad a reality? (Who bailed out Penn Central and didn't that happen in a Republican Administration?)
Your business could not and would not have existed without government and without customers. Is it really that hard to be honest? You didn't do it alone.
Don't carry anything and Dumb Fux and David Walker
I am conservative and I started a successful busines. You must be kind of dense if you think it can be done without customers. President Obama didn't say anything about customers or employees, he talked about the infrastructure that businesses use to move their products and the teachers that taught those of us that start a business. Who supplies the money to the governmnet to pay the Americans that build the roads and teach? I would say that businesses and their employees who make wages supply that money. The government doesn't have any money until it gets tax revenue.
I did not start my business so that I could hire people and give them health insurance or vacations or even a pay check. I started my business to MAKE MONEY! The people that work for me earn what I give them for their hard work and loyalty. I have very good employees now because I weed out the lazy ones and send them down the road. I pay well and treat all of my employees with respect because they earn it. If it wasn't for my initiative and hard work our local and state and Federal governmnet would be poorer today because I have been successful and added $millions to the tax cofffers in this country. I am happy to do that. But you libbies who want more and more are just taking it out of my employees pockets because I need what I profit in order to continue in business. I will not let my business fail because you libbies want me to pay more, I will fire someone to make sure I have enough money to continue.
Rich people are the parasites of this society. This is the first president to actually go head to head with them.
Obama/Biden 2012
Obama is rich. Just thought you should know.
JoAnnaSmith1
or
you purchase a company like Ampad, a company that enjoyed a 53% compound annual growth in net sales, which increased from $8.8 million in 1992 to $200.5 million in 1996, and you make a number of acquisitions but put all the debt in Ampad's name. When a company like Ampad is unable to sustain profitability and pay interest on the debt you created for it (about 300 million in 6 years? and while pocketing hundreds of millions of $ for yourself), you force Ampad to file for bankruptcy, you fire the workers, and you laugh all the way to your Swiss bank and tell everyone you are a SUCCESSFUL business person.
Yes, you are right. Bain deserves the full credit for their short-term, profit-influenced decisions.
Dont_carry_it_all
I'm waiting on a REPUBLICAN to answer the question Feisty posed.....
HOW THE HECK DOES ONE BECOME SUCCESSFUL AND BUILD A BUSINESS
WITHOUT CUSTOMERS AND EMPLOYEES??????
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One becomes SUCCESSFUl and BUILDS a BUSINESS ... by working 18 hours per day, using all your savings, retirement, children's college fund, standard of living, everything it takes to nurture your dream to grow. Then, a part of that dream is hiring staff (some are worth keeping, some are lazy and you must get rid to keep the business viable), and enticing customers to compare and eventually choose (they get a choice) your product. This must be done everyday, all day.
Personal financial long-term investment is the difference between a SUCCESSFUL BUILDER, and, the worker or dreamer or custormer. Don't mean to step on any toes, but, a SUCCESSFUL BUILDER is a rare bird, while, the worker or dreamer or customer come and go and are even a dime a dozen. If you do not have the workers or customers, then, simply put, you did not have a success business.
Q22
and that is why Romney pretended to be a not so "severely" conservative while running for office. He flip-flopped then, and he is flip-flopping now.
BTW, successful would be only if:
a) had a great record, and
b) had a good approval rating
In a 2008 campaign ad, Romney actually bragged about taking on his Legislature: "I like vetoes; I vetoed hundreds of spending appropriations as governor,"
Listen to this Q22 - Romney issued some 800 vetoes
Maybe in your imaginary Romney world, you can consider that "working" with his political opponents.
The big question, for us at least, is whether the story of one company — or a few — in some of Bain’s bad deals should negate a largely positive record of building businesses, sometimes in challenging economic climates. Moreover, as we noted in our fact check of the last Obama video, it is not entirely clear if some of these particular plants would have survived in any case — or as long — without Bain’s investment. One cannot look at each individual case in a vacuum, ignoring broad economic trends or competition that had made these jobs already vulnerable. - Washington Post
God, I feel sorry for you folks that think that you can't accomplish anything without the govenments help.
That, in a wrod, is just sad.
BaylLIE
Go to FACTCHECK.ORG a posting from May 24, 2012 and read the truth about Ampad. You lefties really need to get some facts and quit believing whatever the Obama people say. Spin, spin, spin all you want but there aren't any people in the Obama inner circle that understand how business works and they are so wrong about so much. Ampad was so interconnected to other companies but it did OK under Bain for the most part. It was actually the union demands that caused the shut down of one of the facilities. If you like the truth go look it up, otherwise just go watch horses ass Mr. ed and Madcow some more so you have something to contribute tomorrow.
Fiesty is saying the government supplies your business with employees and customers... that is the dumbest thing I have ever heard.
Obama's comments in VA on Friday made up the mind of this independant voter. I can't vote for him after that speach. In fact, its a good chance that speach will lose him VA.
Dem4Freedom
Rich people are the parasites of this society. This is the first president to actually go head to head with them.
You say that and in the next thread on here you say you have five kids and are on food stamps and welfare. You're receiving public assistance and are calling someone else a parasite?! That is true liberal logic.
White Collar Auto, and I feel bad for you folks that can't see that Romney is Dubya's IDENTICAL twin! In a word, that is just "frightening."
Seriously?
I had to stop right there... please tell us what the name of someone is who buys a product again?
On the contrary - I know exactly how a small business works, my husband has owned one for 20+ years!
So you already pay taxes for local infrastructure and services.
And if your business starts to fail, who will bail you out? That "social fabric"?
So how many clients/customers did govt. get you? (unless you are a govt contractor.. are you? which would explain a lot)
I used MY money to advertise, purchase flyers etc. and I sure didn't see anyone from the govt. going door to door to help me start my business.
So, Feisty... Do you sit at your computer all night waiting for the first political article to come out so you can be the first to comment? You must have a great social life. Also, do you slobber a lot when you are writing your posts? Just askin'. Don't take it personally.
So Fiesty, you are saying that the government is suppling your customers and employees? What type of business to you run? GM? Isn't it the business owner that makes the decision on who to hire and what to manufature or what service to provide? Isn't it the business owner that has to market the products to obtain customers? Or do you really believe what Obama said, the government does this for you, you are just lucky enough to have taken advantage of the government to be successful? So by that definition, you don't have the intellegence to do it on your own, you owe the government for your success.
TO: GermanGem who wrote:
You can thank the GOP for the lousy economy, which Mitch McConnell promised to you that he would do everything in his power to make this country fail, and that's all Mitch and the entire GOP as a group, has worked on for the past 3-1/2 years.
It never ceases to amaze me that Republicans say they're worried about our great grandchildren's debt, but Republicans are NOT planning to leave our great grandchildren any clean water, no clean air, and certainly no safe food, which is the consequence of relaxed regulations, i.e., we pay for "relaxed regulations" by having toxic water, polluted air, and an unsafe food supply.
It's already been proven that the debt the U.S. racked up during World War II was never paid back, plus Republicans are famous for not paying the bills, which is why Republicans always leave deficits behind when they leave office.
So, I call Republicans' argument over the debt a bunch of crap, and any argument in favor of leaving clean air and water, and a safe food supply for our great grandchildren a larger and a better argument, which is the argument the Democrats are making.
Obama/Biden 2012
German Gem#1.7: That "debt clock" you speak of is a republican contraption, held and set by them. They take turns toting and manipulating it. Suggest you avail your concerns to republican Congress people. Doubt you'll ever get a true reading from them though, since they mostly read either from right to left, or perpendicular from top to bottom.
I, for one, am quite satisfied with the fashion Romney has used to define himself. An epitomized mutation of that, which, if allowed to continue will birth a new and more horrendous fascism.
I agree American Girl, Republicans have added huge amounts of money to the debt, that's why there were voted out in 2006 from congress and why Obama and the dems were given their chance in 2008. What have they done to move us in the right direction? Why is the debt still increasing massively, why are we still running over trillion dollar annual defecits? Does Obama plan to pay the debt down by pulling 80 billion a year out of a struggling economy with his proposed tax increase? How is that going to pay down any debt? Tell me why I should vote for the Dems? What are their plans? All I hear from Obama is how bad Romney would be, what is his plan?
bayllie -
1. Clinton handed over the dot.com recession with unemployment growing to 6% before Bush's 2003 tax cuts that continually dropped unemployment to 4.6% before the housing market crash.
You didn't know that, huh?
2. Bush was no bargain, but the smaller government was the product of the repub House and Senate.
3. No wars ... huh? Clinton had 6 terrorist attacks where Americans were killed and did nothing other than give great speeches. (BTW - Clinton also had the fiasco of Mogadishu) It was during these years that bin Laden stated the US was a paper tiger and planned his attacks.
The reality is that Bush inherited a big mess, 9/11 due to Clinton's failed approach.
The big mess created was expensive to clean-up, or would you have preferred to let terrorists keep blowing up US Embassies, killing American sailors and almost sinking US ships .... terrorists flying airplanes into buildings ...
Again - the reality is that Bush decreased unemployment after the tax cuts, added 8 million jobs before the crash which was an unrelated credit issue.
A lie is an intentional misrepresentation of a known fact, i.e .... "I did not have sexual relations with that woman, Miss Lewinsky.
Name Bush's lie .... where he misrepresented a KNOWN fact.
ballie, thanks for belieing the facts and history!
One thing for sure is that FIESTY Does not own or run any kind of Business. And I would Highly doubt that she is married as well. Blogging the progressive movement is her life. It makes her life relevant to her. On this site she is something. People are entertained by her inflammatory comments and she has a little following. This is her life. "the internet" probably because in her real life she is irrelevant to people. Anybody that is running any kind of business in this economic climate has neither the time or mental energy to spend as much time on the internet blogging as she does. I like to chime in on my lunch break every once and awhile but it is quickly forgotten for i do run a business.
v
Well, that didn't take long for the Democrats to devolve into name-calling. All the Dems have is nasty names because Oblameo doesn't have any record to run on. What about his promise to cut the deficit by 50%? What about his promise to get the economy under control and pointed in the right direction?
Can we all get back to the primary issue? To quote a famous Dem: it's the economy, stupid!
How about devolving into lying ??? Saw the President attacking Romney last night based on what he said he heard from a "non-partisan" economist....oh and he just launched his typical attack. It was reported on the news this morning that the "non-partisan" economist just so happens to be a strong donor to the Obama campaign.
Yet there's our President....running off at the mouth about something he knows is not proven fact. I don't think he even cares what facts actually are. But if he hears one thing...proven or not...he just starts flapping his mouth over and over again, figuring if people hear it enough then it must be true.
Why doesn't the President simply tell us what a great job he's done and about the dreamboat things he can do with another four years...so we can all have a great big laugh. But he can't do that, because the only things that are supposed to matter in this election are Bain Capital and Romney's wealth.
Mr. Obama's boring attacks will continue on both matters.
Let's not forget that according to Mitt Romney,...if you don't have your own seed money,...
you should borrow it from your parents!
bwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahahahahaha
http://www.thedailybeast.com/cheats/2012/04/27/romney-borrow-money-from-your-parents.html
Employees are just part of the overall puzzle for a business owner to put together. They take direction from the owner. The whole context of what BO was talking about was government help. I listened to the whole thing a couple of times and can't believe that came out of his mouth "if you have a successful business, you didn't build that". I have 2 businesses in addition to a full time job, and other than driving on the road , the govt didn't do squat for me. Only interaction i have with the govt is tax time.
A lot of people do that Clara. Family and friends are a good resource for startup to chase your dreams. Not sure why thats funny to you.
Oh bull@!$%#. Obama didn't spend $6 trillion; that's just a false statistic that the Romney campaign has on its website (believe me, I've been there). He technically spent around $4.5 trillion, and most of that came from either the recession or extending the Bush fiscal policies. You fail to realize that if we want to get out of a recession, we have to spend. In case you haven't read economics, during a recession consumer demand falls and so does spending from both consumers AND the private sector. Consumers don't have much money, and businesses either don't have the capital or the guts to invest. That is when the government steps in and continually pumps money into the economy until unemployment is down and the private sector has the capital and the guts to invest. We are not doing that right now. If we really wanted to help the economy, we would be spending tens of billions of dollars every year on infrastructure projects and on giving states aid so they don't hire public workers. THAT is how you get out of a recession.
Newsflash: according to the CBO, extending the Bush tax cuts cost around $2.7 trillion, plus interest to take it around $3.5 trillion. What you fail to realize when you posted those numbers that the economy "improved" over that period of time due to the housing bubble, which boosted employment and tax receipts. Not to mention things like inflation and population. You ought to look at revenues compared to GDP, which takes out inflation. Revenues never went to 18% of GDP (the 50 year average) except maybe once, until the economy crumbled. Clinton had revenues at around 21% of GDP.
How many times must we tell you this; THE RICH ARE NOT THE JOB CREATORS. The rich DO NOT create jobs. The consumer does, and the biggest consumer is the MIDDLE CLASS. The middle class is the engine to growth; without it, we wouldn't go anywhere. We could theoretically survive without the wealthy; our own innovators would come from the middle class and develop new products. If the rich were the job creators, where the @!$%# are the jobs??? We cut taxes for 10 years that MOSTLY went to the rich; and we entered a "Lost Decade" under Bush. THE RICH ARE NOT THE JOB CREATORS.
OBAMA BIDEN 2012
How exactly does one go about building a business without employees & customers?
Really Feisty? C'mon, even you can't swallow that.
So the customers and employees came first? Hmmm. That's funny, every time I've started a business I've had an idea, I did my research, I put together a plan, I put together the business, I marketed the business and the customers came, only after all that, and then the employees came.
I did use the roads that my taxes paid to maintain. I suspect I also used the sidewalks and street lights and I called the police when I got robbed. So did all the other businesses and non businesses alike. The roads would have been there if I hadn't opened my doors, and I would have still had to pay taxes to support them because accepting government assistance is not an option in my book.
When all those businesses that opened their doors because those roads and customers and employees were already in place, just waiting for someone, anyone, to open a business, close up whose taxes will pay for those roads?
Which came first the chicken or the egg?
Stupid.
Freshieee
NEWS FLASH - Yes extending the tax cuts does stop about $3.5 TRILLION from gpoing to the Treasury over 10 years. (it doesn't really cost anything) But that figure is for ALL of the cuts. The so-called "rich" portion is under $700 BILLION. Big difference.
I am really wondering how President Obama feels about that guy who invented the wheel? Did the Wright brothers use a road to fly their first airplane?
Bobby bobby bobby:"Well, that didn't take long for the Democrats to devolve into name-calling. All the Dems have is nasty names because Oblameo doesn't have...blah blah blah blah blah"
OBLAMEO????!! Really??? Bob, look in the mirror! Hilarious ! But really, Bob, thanks a lot for the laugh!
Wow. To listen to the Republican lecturers on this thread, one might think that only Republicans know how to run a business, actually run businesses and actually succeed in business.
Since we all know this is not true, that Denocrats and others run successful businesses, why should Republicans presume to lecture to us?
Businesses spring from the spark of an individual idea. But for that business to really succeed, it requires the input of many hands. Workers, customers, supporters, and yes, even government. Without government, who will regulate commerce, monitor banking practices, regulate advertising to ensure fair practices, make sure workers have good working conditions and that purchasers can depend on the quality of the product?
To correct the President. Every tax paying citizen built the roads, the internet and everything else that he says the government provides. We do it collectively through our taxes. If a town wants an exit ramp off a new highway. The municipality usually has to pay for it. They do it by collecting the money from the Businesses that will benefit from the traffic and the taxpayer. Somebody please explain how I am wrong and the President is right
US DebtClock.ORG is a NON-PARTISAN orginization.
Go to the site and then go to the upper right-hand corner and toggle the years 2004, 2008, 2012 and make your own conclusions. You will need to know how to add and subtract.
Obama spent $6,000,000,000,000.00 in 3.5 years. Thats a FACT. Stop making excuses for his failed leadership.
Freshiee-
Are you high? The consumer creates the job? WTF???? No, the consumer does not create the job. Someone with balls creates the jobs because he, or she, has a vision, idea or dream and takes the risk. The consumer didn't know what the hell an iPad was until Steve Jobs told them they needed it. Same goes for a car, computer and the friggin' Pet Rock. The consumer didn't manifest the product into existence.
Jeez, talk about putting the cart before the horse!!
And no, you can't survive without the wealthy. You believe that because Obama has demonized them but they are what fuel this country.
Amen Fielden!
Feisty, I know you are not that obtuse....I think...
People only buy what they choose to buy. If they choose your product it is because you have made a product that they want to own. You are responsible for the sale, not the person who bought it. Going back to the book analogy. The reader is not responsible for the success of a book - it's the author who wrote the book good enough that people wanted to give away their money to read it. You can be appreciative of your audience but they didn't create the book. The author did. Yours and Obama's view are completely backwards and is illustrative as to why we are stuck with 8%+ unemployment with no hope of getting out of it.
To all those who really care and are honest enough to admit they do not know. By far and away the greatest direct cost to this nation, and Her people, are "brokers and speculators". A good half (some say more) of American GDP cost, is for gwaddamned dead weight. Dead weight that contributes, at best, nothing more than hardship and corruption. These combined costs far outweigh all welfare, attorney shenanigans, federal and state unemployment compensation, state and federal social programs, including social security, medicare, and medicaid combined. These middlemen, by the use of certain knowledge, or sometimes even blackmail, exchanged for favoritism, have inserted themselves into every facet of American business, and have, in fact, become the greater part of American business. All better "Economists" are aware of this. Some agreeably so. Others detest the mess. I am of the latter persuasion.
It's always good to see a President that has a fire under his ass, Too bad he's been sitting on a block of ice for the last 3.5 years.
Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.
I don't know how many there are. Most rich Democrats either marry their wealth (John Kerry, Diane Feinstein, Nancy Pelosi) or inherit it (Kennedy's Rockefellers, Kohls, etc..). I don't think there is a single business creator Democrat politician except Jon Corzine.
Consumers create demand, not jobs. Just because i demand something doesn't mean its out their. Someone has to have the guts to put themselves and their family on the line and risk money to create a job.
When CBO makes those estimates for tax cuts or increases it does it on current STATIC numbers. Meaning they assume the same economy. Thats what they do. They don't take into account behavior, .i.e. you tax something more you get less of it.
For tax revenue estimates the CBO is not good at it. No fault of their own, they are just limited to current numbers and can't take into account behavior. If you want proof, go look at the last 4 cap gains changes back to 1981, its easy to follow. Three times it went down and once up. When rates went up they estimated more revenue. Sounds sensible. All 3 times it went down they estimated LESS revenue. However all 4 times they were WRONG.
FIESTY BUSTED LYING!!!
Here are her own "about me words"
How could you be out of work if you own a buisness like you claim for twenty years?
"Let me begin by saying I am a STAUNCH Progressive Democrat and make NO apologies for being a liberal. I'm also known as a Feisty Redhead so let me give you the back story as to how that came to be... I've always been involved in the political process since I was old enough to vote. However it wasn't until the Election of George W. Bush and 8 years of total incompetence that really swayed me to get MORE involved. I volunteered for the Obama campaign for months driving up to my 'sister state' of WI to help get out the vote for more weekends than I can count. I donated what I could as thanks to 'W' I was out of work at the time. And for my efforts I still believe that we ELECTED the RIGHT man for the RIGHT job at the RIGHT time!!!"
Mac, the greatest direct cost to this country ...... entitlement programs and the interest on the debt take up 70% of the revenue that comes into federal coffers.
Simmer down Jeffie... take a deep breath & then go back and actually read what I wrote;
Please show me where I said, I owned the company...
So your husband wouldn't even give you a job when you were out of work. YIKES!!!
When your married it's both of yours.
Nice try.
Very true indeed.
Since tripping over this website a couple of weeks ago I still cant believe the level of ignorance, arrogance and bad manners that seems to prevail.
There are millions and millions of businesses all over the world, some just plod along, some fail and some grow into huge mega-corporations. It is impossible to predict at start up which will progress.
The fundamental problems facing the US is too much spending and not enough exports. Running a service or supply business does NOT produce growth for the country. Innovative products/services that can attract customers overseas does.
Over a period of decades, the bean counters in the US, UK and elsewhere switched production to lower cost bases and pocketed the extra profit produced, which went to the business owners/stock holders. A different set of bean counters could now get very creative indeed to ensure that the extra profits were put out of reach of the dreaded tax man. I so shocked ! :) Greed is a basic human emotion that exists in all of us. It is a type of energy. Compassion is another but greed often trumps.
Pride is another and it gets in the way of rational thought or being able to admit that you have been conned.
There is one absolute certainty coming up in November; democracy is going to be the loser.
BigATC#1.116: Need to reread my post. Your response could or could not be correct, however It's not relevant to my post.
Rob, Rob, Rob. That little riches-to-rags-to-riches story just isn't going to fly. For one thing, back when Mittens was in college, paying $280/month rent was living high. His education was fully funded. He didn't give away his inheritance and START OVER, he gave away his inheritance BYU when his father died, and at least a decade after he'd made a fortune at pioneering outsourcing American jobs overseas. Ann Romney is on record as saying "of course we had tough times - when we were in college Mitt had to sell off stock a couple of times!" OMG, you don't say. ;) He didn't have to work while in school, and he took two years off to dodge Vietnam... I mean, to save the souls of the pagan French. You can say he worked hard when he finally entered the workforce and when he started Bain Capital, but you can't say his fathers connections and wealth didn't help.
No! You can have all of the product in the world, but until someone buys it, you have no sale. You can have the best product ever, but the customer has to want it enough to exchange his money for your product. The business is responsible for making the product, advertising it, marketing it, everything up to making the sale happen. The customer is responsible for the sale.
Ironic that in 2004 the incumbent was being criticized for a "jobless recovery" because unemployment was over 5%. his challenger's enormous wealth was not an issue.
@ Feisty: No need to argue with gwaddamn liars and fools. No matter how much rational, logical, and even unmitigated proof you present, they reserve their right to think as the liars and fools their tribe dictates.
Is kinda flattering to be as much the subject as the lead in article. Best regards. Your husband is a lucky one.
100% backwards. By definition it cannot be the best product ever if no one wants to buy it. If someone wants to turn over their money to a business it's because they want the product they are selling.
obama needs to keep pouring on the negative ads it helps me with my choice.
Whatever, Q22. You are trapped in your own circular illogic. Enjoy.
Awee what the heck, Rmoney already has everything money can buy exept this oner thing...the last trophy he seeks. Will the unlimited big bucks buy him the prseidency? Not if I can help it. It will be the ultimate slap in the face to those big money funders who think they are buying a government with their millions they collected in your rediced wage or tax cut we paid for...
Put it this way: Is Apple successful because millions buy their products or are they successful because the make superior products that people want to own? You say it's the customer because they fork over the money and I say it's the engineers and technicians and artists that created and designed a superior product that people will stand in line for hours in the rain to buy.
Well one thing for sure, Romney cannot count on the catholics and evangelicals to vote for him, he is a professed heretic, or if they do, they then become professed hypocrites, just as it is writen in the bible that homosexuals should be stoned, it is also written that false prophets should be too. You can't use the Bible as a reference for morality, or the proper way to live unless you are willing to take it in total. Mormonism is recognized as a heretical religion, with a false prophet founder, by all Chirstian groups.
Just wait, John McCain has seen 23 years of Mutt's tax returns and you know how Republicans like to kiss and tell.
McCain will wait for the right time to spill his guts about Mutt's returns. He'll prove Mutt to be the big liar that he is.
It's amazing the extent that the state run media will go to bat for Obama. Questions about Romney defining himself? Heck, that's easy and the majority of people have already figured it out. It's summed up in one very succinct introductory statement: "HELLO, I'M MITT ROMNEY AND I'M NOT OBAMA!"
Yup, that says it all and it will get him elected.
Technically, those items (the iPad, the cell phone, the computer) are worthless pieces of junk if it weren't for the consumer. Without the consumer, every inventor would not be where they are today. Demand creates jobs, not supply. The product is only worth something if people want it, and people who want it can only buy it if they are able to buy it. I could invent a cheap time machine that I could sell to even the poorest American, and hire 25,000 people to make them, but I will have to fire them if there is no demand for them. If the wealthy are the fuel of economic growth, then the middle class are the engine. And technically, most of the innovators in the world came from the middle class, and if there was no private capital out there the government could hypothetically give them loans and grants if they see it as a viable industry.
Theoretically, the government could do the same thing that the wealthy do; pump capital to startups and growing businesses that have popular and commercially viable products. Remember, without demand, there is no need for supply.
Debt at the end of 2009 (during the last year of Bush's fiscal policies) was around $11.9 trillion. Current debt is roughly $15.9 trillion; so Obama only spent $4 trillion. And most of that was because of the Bush tax cuts (roughly $560-$760 billion) and the recession (roughly $2.5 trillion); Obama only spent around $1.4 trillion on his own policies, which were the stimulus and the Afghanistan surge (TARP was a Bush policy that was extended).
Technically, that "rich" portion is only for those making over $217,000 jointly and $178,000 singly, which for the most part is in the top 10% of Americans.
They created the stuff, but they (at least the Wright brothers) had some help. The Wright brothers, at least, could use the U.S. Patent Office (a government institution). I think he meant to refer his statement to the modern era, after World War II.
OBAMA BIDEN 2012
TN,
How many times has Kerry's wife run for the presidency? Just wondering.
GermanGem... The monetary mess Obama inherited was started by Ronnie (trickle down economy) Raygun in 1980 and perpetuated by (mission accomplished) Dubya's illegal war in Iraq he financed by mortgaging the U.S. to China. So don't blame him for the mess he was handed.
Obama/Biden 2012
DEMAND CREATES JOBS. Who creates demand? Customers.
Day by day the Right is having a harder time trying to defend Mitt's record. They excuse him every chance they get. And it appears those chances are increasing. Not a good thing. ;)
The American Public is waking up to the fact their future is being bought and paid for by foreign interests which have no personal desire to "invest" in America.
This scandal is like taking scissors to Mitt's strings and watching him crumple to the ground.
Did anyone see Steven Colbert last night ? He asked a very salient question, when Romney loses in November, will he "retroactively" remove his name from consideration for the the Presidency, so as to not have lost the election ?
He's a sharp cookie. :D
The blame game is getting old. Did Reagan ever have both Senate and Congress? Did GHW Bush? GW Bush? How is it that they had such incredible power do do whatever they wanted yet poor Obama is powerless against a Republican Congress?
Okay Bob-1805084...you dazzled us with some nice revenue numbers, but where are the deficit numbers following Clinton (I say following because we all know Clinton left office with a surplus)? I'd like to hear the "whole" story.
Homosexuality Caused By Emotional Trauma at Age 6 Says Ex-GAY:
"I was involved in the homosexual world as a blatant attempt to obtain the affection from other men that I did not receive from my own father." (J. Arterburn in his autobiography "How Will I Tell My Mother?")
He was a senstivine personanlity so was more deeply affected than most boys when his own father rejected him by age 5. Not having a loving father figure, he yearned for affection from other boys in his kindergarten class. This became eroticized at puberty. He said his own female mannerisms were due to his mother, his only role model and being abused or severely neglected in childhood was "too common a thread to ignore" in the gay community. He WAS NOT born gay.
@Q22#1.129: Gwaddamn!, Whats the matter with you? You just proved what "fielden" and many others said. These customers standing in line wanted the product, had a way of paying for the product, and indeed bought the product. That's called demand Q. Gwaddamn! I ain't gonna set up a chitlin stand in the middle of a vegetarian neighborhood!
The current President is defined as a complete and total failure.
We will define Romney's Presidency after the same time as given to current one.
RabidRedHead still boozing it up with DNC propaganda...Prez-0 can't run on his record, so he releases the media attack dogs with half truths & outright lies...
...and liberal lemmings like RRH lap it up and regurgitate it...
...the uneducated masses are tools for the DNC...Pelosi, Reid & Obama must be laughing at your gullibility.
Jeff....If Fiesty's husband's business is a corporation & 1. she is not a corporate officer 2, she is not an employee of this corp. or otherwise, ergo; unemployed! Perhaps by choice..Nunya!. The merits or vagaries of either for her are not yours to ascertain! Spousal or community property legalities are totally unrelated to being unemployed! Please be a dud elsewhere!
Thanks Mac!
I have neither the time or desire to play the distraction game with them.
And, that's what this is for them, one big game...
Have a good one my friend!
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Romney...King of outsourcing. Romney deliberately outsourced the 2002 Olympic uniforms to BURMA.
The illegal alien employer and king of outsourcing during 2002 Olympics and at Bain.
Romney caught again not being an American.
Hires illegal aliens to work on his lawn for years.
Outsources jobs while crashing companies and making off with their money.
Hides money in offshore accounts to avoid paying taxes.
Lies about working at Bain up to 2002.
Lies saying he did not at for Bain in 2002.
Hides his tax returns to not be caught with problems. McCain saw them and ran from Romney.
Romney supports killing Social security, Medicare, by supporting Ryan Plan
Meanwhile Romney has NO Plan so he can't be criticized.
Because he has no plan , he flip flops on both sides of every issue.
Even his sons call him "GOOFY"
President Obama/Biden 2012
TNRebel-4016842 -- When I saw Willard Romney make the comment about Senator Kerry's wife not disclosing her tax returns, I was so shocked that I choked on the coffee I was sipping.
Senator Kerry's wife was not running for POTUS. There would be no basis for her to release anything about her income or tax returns. Almost EVERYONE already knows she is very wealthy. By making such a nit-wit statement, Willard Romney sank to a new low.
I am a moderately conservative Republican - who does not believe Willard Romney should be the GOP candidate for POTUS.
Furthermore, I believe the Republican Party needs to get very serious, very quickly, about selecting a better candidate. If Willard wins the nomination, it will be like handing the election on a silver platter to Mr. Obama.
It is 2012, and times have changed. Instead of tax cuts for the rich, the Republican Party needs to refocus on: creating jobs, bringing the troops home - with honor, reducing the deficit, balancing the budget, and becoming more caring toward others who are less fortunate. Unless and until that starts happening, the Democratic Party will be in power for a long time.
Unfortunately, most of the mess we are in is the result of a U.S. Congress that cannot set goals and cooperate toward a better, more positive outcome.
@ GermanGem - how ironic coming from a person who represents a socialistic type government with health care for everyone. Is that why you have the problem with the Turks ?
Romney follows a religion that started in 1834 in New York state by a polygamist named Joseph Smith.
Romney gets nervous and flustered anytime his tax returns are brought up.
Romney's father ran for office and showed returns going back 12 years.
Romney ruined jobs at Bain Capitol and profiteered as a result.
Romney has a track record of flip-flopping on the health care issue.
Romney is building/built a California mansion with a "car-elevator", whatever that is ?
Romney said, and I quote:"THE TREES IN MICHIGAN ARE THE RIGHT HEIGHT"
Now if one of you rich a**holes, or even one of you poors chumps who thinks the republicans are your friends or actually care about religion or abortion, can explain to me what he said, I might consider him viable.
Romney's wife got one of the accounts when he was running for gov office. The day before he had to announce his assets, he transferred an account into Ann's name to avoid disclosure! What was Romney hiding that time?
Romney caught bring hired blacks to NCAAP the other day. Romney had to hire blacks to show up to clap their hands for his speech. MONEY TALKS$$$$$$$
There a lot of folks on this page wasting their time. Trying to get something coherent out of Feisty is clearly a waste of time.
Dave ...you justed wasted our time.
Romney defines himself as Bush III. Romney hires Bush cronies!
When Romney does go on stage, he will be carrying the burden of the Bush/Cheney legacy to overcome. Romney appears at Cheney's home for fundraiser and it is quite evident Cheney is calling shots on repub/Romney foreign policy. Numerous repubs that were on Bush/Cheney team are now working for or lined up on his team to be calling the same failed plans they did for Bush Cheney era. Why would America vote for Bush Cheney Romney again after they killed thousands of our soldiers because they lied? Why would Americans vote for Bush/Cheney/Romney again after they crashed the economy?
Bush/Cheney/Romney for a worse tomorrow today.
Save the country from Bush/Cheney/Romney and vote for......
President Obama/Biden 2012
Romney..defines himself as loser.......the pitiful last.
All through the republican nomination process there was always someone ahead of Romney. Bachmann, Cain, Newtster, Perry, Santorum, etc. All of them had leads over Romney despite their cheating on their wives, being a lying looney, and forgetting what the hell they were talking about. Down to nothing but Mittster the republican party has no choice left. No one left but the guy who was losing to all the Loonies. Now repubs try to hold up Mitt, (who lost to McCain who lost to Obama)as their golden boy. He is their golden boy all right, gold in his offshore accounts that he is hiding from the public. Romney, the pitiful last, for a worse tomorrow today.
Obama/Biden 2012
Here's an interesting observation on the polls that seem to have some polls showing Romney ahead by about 2% (Rasmussen and Washington Times), while others show Obama ahead by about 2%. If you pay attention, the polls that show Romney ahead are of 'Likely Voters' whereas the polls that show Obama ahead are of 'Registered Voters'.
It's widely accepted by pollsters that 'Likely Voter' polls are much more accurate because polls of 'Registered Voters' typically overstate the Democrat by about 4% (see link below for an explanation). When you make that adjustment from 'Registered' to 'Likely Voters', there is a remarkable agreement that Romney has about a 2% lead among actual likely voters at this point in time. This also explains why some people falsely claim that Rasmussen is 'biased' towards Republicans, when the reality is that most pollsters are actually 'biased' towards Democrats by using 'Registered Voter' polls. Rasmussen actually has the best record of any pollster over the 2004 and 2008 Presidential elections - missing the victory margin by 1% or less - with one favoring the Republican and the other favoring the Democrat - in other words, there is no consistent bias.
http://www.polimerican.com/adults-vs-registered-vs-likely-voters/
David Walker, Chicago Machine Politics is not BS and it is a real insult to anyone accused of that style of campaigning. Romney is not bull$hitting calling the President out on it either. People think Chicago is a cow town or second city but when it comes to currupt politics we're second to none. Remember Bill Daley stepped down to run Obama's re-election campaign, his father Richard J. wrote the book on machine politics. What it is basically is to buy votes either by political hires or modern day slavery of minorities with public housing and aid without an exit plan. True and pure racism, thanks for the check and let's not forget to vote for Mr. Charlie! That's one part of it though,it is designed to take not help anything but those on the inside. Michelle Obama herself worked at city hall,the Robinson's were connected,she herself made a statement," I cannot believe how Chicago is controlled by a few white Irish families". That wasn't a very flattering statement. Barack Obama has already tried to distance himself from the machine in the past. Claiming he didn't really know Bill Daley when he appointed him. That's a lie, he damn well did know him his family helped put him in the White House. David if all of this is BS like you Liberals like to write everything off as answer this,why is a Chicago Style politician running the Presidents campaign? Cause he's the best man for the job? Uh Huh
"If you've got a business - you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen"
I have read many comments here. I am utterly amazed at the lack of common sense and intelligence when it comes to business, Feisty you think everything that Obama does is WONDERFUL. Just looking where your from tells me your a hired shill. You say your husband has been in business for 20 years so that makes you an expert. Do you own the business? Did you start the business? Have YOU PERSONALLY every started your own business? Well I have started two myself. I am now helping my Brother who like you wears rose colored glasses when he looks at Obama. Yet when he hears about Obama's latest comment he will most definitely turn from supporting him. Why? Because he has no clue what it takes to start a business. First off lets set the record straight. The Left wants to control and regulate business, banking, and everything else so that they move away. What is obvious from Obama's statement is now he is showing his true colors. He is a SOCIALIST and SO are his POLICIES. Our business pays taxes and we are the ones who also pay individual taxes also. My brother's wife works and she also pays taxes. Yet I live in one of the MOST LIBERAL STATES in the Union Oregon and its totally controlled by the Democrats and this state is shutting down schools left and right. Yet the Police Dept.s got brand new cars when they really didn't need new cars that bad. Yet I moved from a Republican controlled state and guess what? NO SCHOOLS are CLOSING in that STATE?
So ask yourselves who is actually the keepers of your tax dollars. Surely not the Left? Look at every state that is controlled by Democrats and you will see on common thread. They are all on the verge of bankruptcy? Here in the state of Oregon the State Superintendent makes 350k a year yet they are closing schools. What does this have to do with business? Well from Obama's viewpoint its the government who gives us the educated worker. Well when schools are closing what will we do for educated workers?
Yet the Dems are more interested in protecting the Union Pensions and Public Workers swelling costs. Instead of the Education of our Children. Americans are waking up to the Left's craziness and its Socialist agenda. What is so hypocritic about the Lefts message is they want all of us to believe that they are for the little guys. Yet how many of the Democrats in Congress and the Senate know what its like to live within your means, or to reduce your spending because your budget can't afford it any longer. Where is the common sense?
@Jeff-1592116 sorry...my retort was intended for JeffS16969999 post # 1.118....Apologies!
Unless of course you're a big bank.
Freshieee "Newsflash: according to the CBO, extending the Bush tax cuts cost around $2.7 trillion, plus interest to take it around $3.5 trillion."
The CBO has to 'assume' that the Bush tax cuts did not stimulate economic growth when the reality is that there was substantial economic growth after the tax cuts - so much so in fact that federal revenues increased substantially after the Bush tax cuts compared with before those tax cuts in spite of lower tax 'rates'.
The CBO also complained that they were 'required to make assumptions given them by Congress' (controlled by Democrats) when 'scoring' Obamacare, while recognizing that those assumptions were completely invalid (like the supposed 'savings' in Medicare from eliminated fraud and abuse - none of which has materialized over the last 3 years). One result of using faulty 'assumptions' is that Obamacare's projected 10 year cost to taxpayers is currently $1.76 Trillion, compared with only about $950 Billion when the Democrats were 'passing it' using parliamentary sleight of hand.
Starsailing, it doesn't matter what you write about Romney. All the smears in the world won't hide the fact that Obama has been a complete and utter failure. Are we better off than we were 4 years ago? Not even close. We are bumping along on the bottom and Obama is clueless as to how to get out of it. Do you know who could have done a better job? ANYONE! George W. Bush could have gotten us out of this better than Obama has. Even Sarah Palin could have had unemployment less than 8% and a growth rate closer to 4%. A cardboard cutout of Dan Quayle would have done better than Obama. He will be remembered as a one-term loser like Jimmy Carter. But at least Carter could build a house.
Obama is destroying the foundation of our success taking out brick by brick. Obama is insulting the core of America. We all use road we all pay for it. Take away the success of a business because he use the infrastructure that we all built with our taxes is an insult. Private companies built te first railroads, private companies create roads to transport the goods, it was many years after that the government intervene. Schools in small towns where private, there was not social security or welfare back then , individual responsibility make this country great, no big government and hand outs. Obama and the left are changing the history to fit into their ideology. The government do not create jobs, the government did not make this country wealthy , the government did no make the stronger economy in the world. This is why Russia fall down , a nation is great not because the government is because the people.
Feisty: Wow ....now this is a revelation. You actually have a husband? What a shocker!!! Do you brow beat him like you do everyone else on all these sites day after day banging away on your keyboard? Hmmm....if he owns a small business he must be grateful that it keeps him busy 24-7 so he doesn't have to put up with you. Which is probably why you are always on these sites insulting people.....I guess you have to get attention somehow......
@ Feisty Redhead Roselle, IL
| "If you've got a business - you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen"
First, the Obama campaign is misconstruing facts claiming unemployment was terrible in Mass. under Romney. It was 4%. Obama is at 8.2%. You do not even know Romney yet you suck up everything Obama says. What about his record? Obama is a millionaire...are you? He is one of the 1%. He holds$35,000 a plate dinners in Hollywood, uses taxpayer money for rock concerts at the White House, vacations everywhere. While He plays....American's are going down the tubes. Now comes his comment about businesses. Implicit in that comment is that government facilitated business, roads infrastructure etc. Well, the government is by the people, for the people. Every American contributed to this infrastructure and every American owns it and uses it. If you take a risk to start a business, you either succeed or fail. government does not help you either way. You are on your own. What government does do is throw roadblocks in front of your business in the form of taxes, fees and regulations. They don't help you they suck off of you.
Obama provided loan guarantees to renewable energy companies. He claims American companies are creating jobs...while Romney is the out-sourcer. Guess again. Obama's DOE guaranteed a loan to Solyndra, the main investor was one of Obama's biggest contributor's, George Kaiser. They went bankrupt after 1 year and $500million of federal money got blown. In Sept 2011 Obama's DOE again guaranteed $737million to Solar reserve again 500 jobs were created in Mexicali, Mexico while 15 were created in America. First Solar, being $829million in debt received a loan guarantee of 1.2Billion from Obama's DOE facilitating 700 solar panel manufacturing jobs in Malaysia.
Obama has the shear audacity to stand in front of a bridge in the mid west claiming to create infrastructure jobs for Americans, while facilitating foreign steel and construction of the Oakland Bay bridge, the Alexander Hamilton bridge, New York subway stations by the Chinese in contravention of the stipulation in the stimulus bill that American steel and labor be used to build these.
Conclusion, Obama is two faced and incompetent. Romney will be a much better President than Obama. At least in Massachusetts, a Democratic state, he was willing to work and compromise with both sides of the aisle. Obama is simply stuck in stupid. e can not or will not work with anyone because he is so full of himself.
You started a successful "busines" Or, did you create the necessity for spell check?
Is Mitt Rob-Me going to show his tax returns for other than 1 cherry picked year? It must be bad if he picked one where he paid 14% income tax.
floyd-335513 '" what does Obama know about business, he's never even run a candy store." '
Very true - and it shows in our lack of economic growth and jobs.
But he did know how to help register illegal voters in his work as a lawyer for the disgraced ACORN and as a 'Community Organizer'. Interestingly, ACORN's work in registering about 40,000 new voters (legal?) for the 2008 election almost undoubtedly helped Al Franken win the Senate seat in Minnesota by just about 300 votes, which gave the Democrats the 'filibuster proof' majority that they needed to pass Obamacare.
I called in to the Rush Limbaugh show once during the Reagan years when people were really concerned with our ballooning deficit. Rush's response was only congress can submit a budget it wasn't Reagans fault. When I pointed out that several days before he had praised Reagan for his fire side chats which had forced a reluctant congress to approve his military build up that spent over 1 trillion dollars increased spending he hemmed and hawed and said well really deficits don't really matter as long as you have an expanding economy. The debt to gnp ratio is no worse today than it was under Reagan. It took a democrat to start reducing the debt then and the same now.
@ Larry-367607
Debt was reduced under Clinton by a Republican Congress.
The Bush Tax cuts were approved by a Democratic Congress.
Obama had the opportunity for 2 years to pass every bill to jump start the economy under a Democratic Congress. He failed. That is why the Republicans got elected in 2010. Obama's only focus was on health care the first 2 years not on America.
Obama used stimulus money to "buy Chinese steel and labor for our bridges" and create renewable energy manufacturing jobs in China, Mexico, and Malaysia. Under his watch federal agencies have awarded contracts to foreign companies, while American companies with the same capability got passed by.
Bobby-2359554 "Debt was reduced under Clinton by a Republican Congress."
Actually, while there were several years of Budget 'Surpluses' under Clinton with a Republican Congress, there was not a single year under Clinton where the National Debt was actually reduced. The closest it got was in fiscal 2000 when the Debt increased by only $23 Billion.
Romney, you are easy to define. You are NOT likable, honest or principled.
Romney, as far as business acumen goes, you know how to downsize and outsource.
Maybe Mitt should retroactively go find a spine and something he can stand for for more than 10 minutes.
Republican flag bearers would do themselves good if they would learn to read a complete sentence instead of waiting to be fed whatever the talking heads on the right want to feed them. I can take a string of words spoken by Romney out of context and prove that he said he eats babies for Christmas dinner. For many of you there would be no way to argue that as context is not in your limited thought process.
Obama is a union lover which means outsourcing. You can't manufactuer anything inexpensively when unions are involved which is why the jobs have moved overseas. In addition to all the regulations the government imposes on business in this country. Our government and Obama are job killers.
Doug-384925 "Romney, as far as business acumen goes, you know how to downsize and outsource."
Romney did manage to 'create' about 100,000 net new jobs - over and above any layoffs that had to be made in an attempt to make the companies profitable.
Here's a Revelation - It never ceases to amaze me that people don't understand that when a Venture Capitalist takes over a failing company, they have to cut expenses to prevent a bankruptcy where ALL employees would lose their jobs.
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If you set the levels of honesty base our president ( Rezco deal, Obama's home )and the tax cheaters he has in the cabinet ( Hilda Solis, Tim Gaithner) , Romney is most honest, what kind of principled are you talking about , the ones Obama has that don't care about life of baby born alive after an abortion, what kind of principals. Likable is what you need to fix our economy, likable is what you need to create jobs, likable is what you need to be energy independent.
Fiesty: If you and I where single, i would ask you to marry me, :) keep up the great posts.
Reading through the meandering mess that is the comments on this I feel the need to interject a few thoughts:
1. To Q22 - Apple is successful because they created a product that they control every aspect of - from the construction to the operating system (and somehow have managed to patent "a rectangular tablet with rounded corners, a black bezel, and metal back") and did an excellent job creating a mass media buzz about what could be argued as an inferior product that stifles creativity, unless you are willing to break their terms of service and jailbreak it.
2. With how much of this conversation is revolving around economics, I feel it is an opportune time to remind everyone that the United States of America was founded not on capitalist beliefs but as a representative democracy. Capitalism is a form of economics that inserted itself into the American landscape on the heels of the industrial revolution.
Reading the venom that is spewed forth in this thread, from both sides of this imaginary "isle" that everyone keeps talking about, only reaffirms my belief that the largest issue this great country faces is not the debt/deficit, nor is it the wars we find ourselves in. The issue at the crux of the whole thing is the government itself - those we elect (and continue to re-elect) are not necessarily looking out for the average American citizen but instead they pander to the special interests. They have figured out that the biggest honeypot for money in this country is in politics, why else would someone like Romney - who some say was a successful businessman - leave the private sector that made him so wealthy to enter politics. If you say it's to serve his country, I say buck up and join the Marines.
Those in power have also figured out that the easiest way to keep that power is to divide the populace so we argue amongst ourselves. We, as responsible citizens, need to look past the partisan politics - liberal vs. conservative, red vs. blue, Republican vs. Democrat - and do what will result in the betterment of the majority (you know, the larger part of the population, not a select few). Get back to the politics of the "common good" and realize that at the end of the day, we are all in this together even if our political ideologies don’t line up perfectly. It’s that ability to come together (and America is by far the best at this, especially in times of crisis) that has made this country great and if we can’t figure out how to do it on a consistent basis, I fear for the future.
Bobby, you are a liar, the Bush tax cuts were by a republican congress. Look it up. Most of what you typed is pure B.S. No truth to it at all.
I can't believe how someone, anyone thinks they are an island upon themselves. Republicans really suck at being human, or being responsible and as a matter of fact are stingy, fascist that need to be thrown out of the country so the rest of the country can grow and prosper. Enough of the greedy bastards that only think of themselves. Its to bad they cannot learn the art of thinking for themselves.
During his first trip to Beijing in 2009, the president Obama approved of American
help in China’s effort produce commercial jetliners. The State Department subsequently explained the rationale: “We needed China to help us deal with North Korea and Iran and other foreign-policy issues.” So we nod to outsourcing airline manufacture to Communist China for the promise of a helping hand on foreign policy
The North Carolina-based LED manufacturer Cree Inc., reaped $39 million through a stimulus-funded tax credit program in January 2010. In November 2009, the company built a manufacturing plant in Huizhou City, China, which is the harbour for more than half of the company’s employees
Japanese wind energy firm Eurus Energy, whose American subsidiary, Eurus Energy America, collected $91 million in stimulus funding to initiate construction of a wind farm in Texas. As it turns out, the wind farm was allegedly built using turbines manufactured by Mitsubishi
Perhaps the most damning paragon of the Obama administration’s subsidization of foreign companies involves a $500-million loan guarantee siphoned to Finnish automaker Fisker Automotive. A component of the Energy Department’s alternative-fuel vehicle program, the loan was intended to bolster Fisker’s presence in the U.S. manufacturing market. However, claiming it was unable to find a viable location in the United States, Fisker never built a domestic facility, deciding instead to cease its U.S. operations and continue building vehicles in Finland. The price of this outrageous foreign car is 100,000 Dollars, a vehicle for millionaires and billionaires that will get tax refund from green energy legislations.
The coincidence of
Brazil being the recipient of White House contracts and loans is a recurring theme in the Obama administration. President Obama loaned a Brazilian Oil company with George Soros ties $2 Billion dollars to begin offshore drilling, at the same time he was halting US drilling in the gulf region
Obama is the outsoucer in chief
@The SWORDN Pen 79 #1.161: I read your claptrap. Good your brother is carrying you. I'd fire the hell outta you. It's obvious you don't know your ass from the exit end of a shotgun about business.
"The monetary mess Obama inherited was started by Ronnie (trickle down economy) Raygun in 1980 and perpetuated by (mission accomplished) Dubya's illegal war in Iraq he financed by mortgaging the U.S. to China. So don't blame him for the mess he was handed."
The election this year will focus on whether we can afford 4 more years of Obama.
Here are the Deficit figures for the last 5 Presidents - with a link to the official Obama White House government source to verify;
Reagan (1981-1988) = $1.339 Trillion over 8 years, or $167 Billion per year.
Bush 1 (1989-1992) = $933 Billion over 4 years, or $233 Billion per year.
Clinton (1993-2000) = $320 Billion over 8 years, or $40 Billion per year.
Bush 2 (2001-2008) = $2.006 Trillion over 8 years, or $251 Billion per year. This included all of the cost of the wars.
Obama (2009-2012p) = $5.333 Trillion (Proj) over his first 4 years, or $1,333 Billion per year. That's $4.6 Trillion more than Bush spent in his first 4 years.
If Obama is reelected, he projects another $5 Trillion of Deficits in the next 4 years, or over $10 Trillion which our children and grandchildren will have as a 'millstone' around their necks for their entire lives. Running up huge debts is a great way to 'pander for votes', but somebody will have to pay it back (our children) - with interest. Here's the official government link - See Table 1.3;
http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/budget/Historicals
george pauljohn - Thanks! ;o)
Ich hoffe, dass Sie wissen, Deutsch, "GermanGem." Beschuldigen andere der Lüge, wenn sie Ihre Unstimmigkeiten hinweisen, ist nur eine Ablenkung. Ich frage mich, du bist wirklich ein Juwel?
GermanGem and JoAnnaSmith together on the same thread... I must be having a nightmare.
@Freshiee
So when Alexander Graham Bell was inventing the telephone he did it because there were a bunch of consumers at his door waiting for him to invent it?
If your way had any truth to it we'd still be waiting around for someone to invent the wheel. People are innovative/creative because whatever dream/idea they have inside of them has to get out. It has nothing to do with the consumer. It's a passion or a drive that most people don't have. But there are some who do and they take great risk trying to bring these things to market. Many fail. The ones that are a success often achieve great wealth, but some don't.
Here's the thing, there isn't a finite amount of wealth. You can create more and more of it. The pie gets bigger if there is innovation. But if you kill innovation you kill wealth. Without wealth we are all dependent on someone or something.
Now, I will grant you that for commercial success there must be a consumer of said product but the consumer didn't drive the invention of the product because the consumer didn't know there was a product.
I don't really care which class the innovators come from as long as they keep innovating. This isn't a class issue and it isn't a wealth issue. It's a smokescreen for a president who has failed.
It was a nice experiment but it hasn't worked too well. Maybe it's Bush's fault, maybe it's the fault of everyone on this board - the people, who argue and fight and call each other names instead of rolling up their sleeves and getting to work. Obama's philosophies are going to bankrupt and then ruin this country. He had his chance, he wasted the first two years blaming Bush and then spent his time with the health care debacle, the next two years he has wasted campaigning (something he never stopped doing). If he had just led the country (you can't lead a country if you blame someone else for all that is wrong with it, you lose all credibility) I would vote for him.
Vote for who?
@Wade:
I'm betting Germangem spricht Deutsch besser als sich. Only someone with little knowledge of the language or non speaker altogether using a web-based translator/dictionary would have used 'wissen' to ask about knowledge of the language.
All of you quoting the president are quoting him incorrectly. You have taken what he said out of context. Now I understand you dont think your side can win if you play fairly, but if the president took Romney out of context you guys would be crying all over the place. So out of fairness please learn to play fair. Also you can hate his policies but Im sick and tired of the racist comments, because if you really want to play who is more american we can play that game and dems will win. After all its Romney who doesnt invest in this country he puts his money outside the country, its Romney who invested in a company in 1998 whose business plan was to get outsourced business.
And if you think voting for Romney will turn this country around, you are right, voting for Romney will put corporations in control of your life. Welcome to no minimum wage, but then most of you do like living in those trailers anyway.
@ Roy Wilson #1.187: Always hiding in the gulley, looking to soak the unknowing, eh Roy? Could an increase in population versus a big decrease in revenues have any connection to those numbers, assuming they are legitimate? Could the passage of substantive legislation appropriate to rising costs, such as increased taxes, and other policies, possibly have effected the palatability of those numbers? I understand you're a republican, and wish Romney to win, however, you're intelligent enough to cast your support in a more honest light. Many of those, especially on your side, can't keep their feet on the floor now. You should not exploit their ignorance and bigotry to the point they crash into their ceilings.
Next time you're going to lie don't cite a source you didn't get the information from. Cite the Right Winger BS site you did.
AND LASTLY IT'S CONGRESS WHO CONTROLS THE PURSE STRINGS.
Thank you Republicans for the enormous defect. :)
You're a dishonest one aren't you Roy?
@ Roy Wilson and other screwed up republicans: Late summer and early fall of 2008 all hell befell the country. Bush and Paulson came before us and announced a catastrophe akin to the 1929 crash. Banks would fail. Jobs would vanish. Homes would be foreclosed. Woe, and I mean gwaddamned woe!, upon us. Money must be credited to the big investment banks in order that the country continue solvent. It was down hill from there. Businesses laid workers off, many businesses closed, many went into bankruptcy. Meanwhile, Barack Obama was elected as "President" of the US. He immediately went to work, emergency work, among chaos and much personal hatred of Him, along with an opposing party, hell bent on His destruction. I won't go into the 2 wars, a new republican government expansion called "homeland security", and a myriad of messes arising from, and operating under, the former republican administration, and sanctioned by those present republicans. That would be too goddamn long and tiring. Suffice it to say, to date, direct losses in the value of existing homes and buildings at that time are today, estimated to be in excess of $50 trillion dollars. This is without taking into account losses of jobs, pensions, and real equities already in homes that were ultimately foreclosed. This is, in fact, only about half the bucket. Considering this in historical perspective, (does such exist) or within honest present reality, I, and most reasonable folk allow the President deserves our thanks, gratitude and re-election.
Keep repeating the lies Mr. Obama. They have been debunked over and over and over... You are quickly becoming a caricature of the slick talking community agitator with no plan to right the economy, the Chicago thug politician who relies on a compliant press to deflect from your utter failure as a leader and obfuscate your baseless charges. Many of us saw through your “hope and change” and “yes we can” platitudes four years ago. It must be dismaying to realize that each day more Americans realize the emptiness of your rhetoric. You are a divider. Your promise of uniting the country to create a greater good has proven hollow. You denigrate the achievers who make this country the beacon of hope for a world that desperately needs it. You patronize those who desperately want to participate in he American dream with promises you have no intention of keeping.
You and your ilk are like the locusts depicted in “A Bugs Life”, only much more sinister. You rely on a naive and vulnerable population, one that you can convince actually needs you. You disparage and slander the industrious, hard working Americans that make this country great and try to convince those with less that the bounty they have acquired was somehow ill gotten and undeserved. You promise to take that bounty from those who played by the rules and worked incredibly hard to acquire it and “spread the wealth” to those who follow you. You justify that taking by proclaiming that “If you have a business, you didn’t build it, someone else (government) made it happen”. It has occurred to me that your study of American history has suffered from your focus on the teachings of Marx and Lenin. It may be instructive for you to know that several hundred years ago an empire tried the same argument to convince colonialists who were braving an untamed wilderness, building roads and manufacturing goods (without the “benefit” of a central government) for sale to the general population as well as the rest of the world that their existence was dependent on the good graces of pompous aristocrats sipping sherry in overstuffed chairs safely located several thousand miles away. Those same colonialists rejected those assertions. Without a central government they formed militias and defeated the British Empire and established a country that despite your apologies to the contrary, is the greatest country in history.
I am not an ant Mr. Obama. No one in this country needs to be an ant. This country was founded on the premise of providing opportunity to all. We do not need you. You need us - to pay for the plane you and your family flies to Hawaii, Martha's vineyard, golf outings, Hollywood fund raisers etc., but more importantly to pay off the slime that promoted your rise in politics. The truth is YOU need government Mr. Obama. When you are defeated in November that will be made clear to all.
You right wingers need to spew nonsense calling Obama a liar and defend Romney no matter what he says or does.
With questions continuing to mount about Mitt Romney’s offshore investments and bank accounts and $100 million IRA, Romney yesterday responded by claiming that he did not know anything about his fortune being stashed overseas because his finances are purportedly taken care of by a blind trust. As reported by Talking Points Memo:
Mitt Romney disavowed any responsibility for investments in the Cayman Islands and Bermuda, saying his personal finances are part of a “blind trust” that’s out of his control.
Romney’s claim of ignorance, however, is questionable at best, given that his blind trust does not appear to be all that blind. As we’ve reported previously, Romney’s blind trust is run by R. Bradford Malt, his longtime lawyer who is the President of your Bermuda company Sankaty. While that alone may not be enough to demonstrate a lack of blindness, one of the investments that Mr. Malt made with the trust was to put $10 million into a company named Solamere, which was co-founded by Romney’s son Tagg and Romney’s National Finance Chair for his campaign, Spencer Zwick.
Yes clearly this is the standard of honesty and integrity republicans demand of their candidate.
Timothy: You wouldn't know the truth if it bit you in the ass. That humungus post accusing Obama of being a liar and not one single specific example, nothing but a rant. While my post gives a specific case proving Romney a liar, why can't you?
Mac Forrester---eloquent and spot on as always, my friend. Check the following bull@!$%# by the new neighborhood GOP lobbyist below. Probably some pimple faced Mormon kid. The irony-I get slammed for bringing out that this guy is "one of those guys." Not the Mormonism--@!$%#, all religious folk are crazy to me. It's the blatant thievery when he participated in vuturistic capitalism--used to call them carpetbaggers some decades back. He didn't even try to save some companies. The hopes and dreams of the employees lined his pockets while the raid the pension funds in bankruptcy.
Regarding President Obama--has my vote. He was handed the keys to a burning Ford Pinto and expected to make it whole.
Redhead Ranting
@Freshiee
So when Alexander Graham Bell was inventing the telephone he did it because there were a bunch of consumers at his door waiting for him to invent it?
GeorgePauljohn: Wow another loser like Fiesty. Well actually...... when I see all the clicks on Fiesty's insulting comments day after day after day, after boring day, zzzzzzzzzzzzz..... I am disheartened that there are so many idiots in this country. Americans want solutions not insults.
Against Union Thievery
We can have one less if you move to Afghanistan.
instead of declaring successful bussiness owners didn't build their businesses with hard work on their own because someone else did it for them.....he needs instead to explain exactly why businesses have outsoursed jobs and exactly what the benefits where for them to do that, thus explaining their success.
when arizona went to court, because they were not putting obama on their ballot disputing his birth certificate was a fraud, obama's attorney admitted the bc online did look fraudulent, but that showing proof of a bc was not a requirement for being on the ballot. so romney should only show the tax return yrs that fulfill the requirement as he stated. nothing more.
larry----That humungus post accusing Obama of being a liar and not one single specific example
1. when obama ran against hillary he said that the individual mandate would be of no good to anyone. 2. it is not a tax. 3. we could opt out. 4. there were shovel ready jobs,, ifrastructure jobs. 5. it's bush's fault. off the top of my head....oh and when his lips are moving.
@Sandtrich: A hardy good day to you my "warm friend". I hope all is well with you and your loving family. Thank you for the kind words. Like you, I am committed to ridding the rats as we shovel the sh^t from the national republican sewer. Most of the time though, one is preoccupied with potty training the asylums floor sh^tters. Tain't pretty. Best regards to you and your family. Please say hello to all for me. Best regards, Mac
don't carry it all---
HOW THE HECK DOES ONE BECOME SUCCESSFUL AND BUILD A BUSINESS
WITHOUT CUSTOMERS AND EMPLOYEES??????
exactly...a failed economy=no customers=unemployment. add unaffordable healthcare=even less spending=more unemployment=a disaster. but we have healthcare and that's all that matters now after all.
"instead of declaring successful bussiness owners didn't build their businesses with hard work on their own because someone else did it for them.....he needs instead to explain exactly why businesses have outsoursed jobs and exactly what the benefits where for them to do that, thus explaining their success."
First, President Obama never said anything even close to your opening sentence. And second, WTF??? is your second supposed to mean?
I learned German from a translation program, I'm not ashamed to admit it.
wtf i'm pointing out is gov mandates/regulation, outrageous penalties, along with the presidents mentality on private business should be explained to his followers as to why jobs are outsoursed. instead of portraying someone as greedy and no job producing. as they have no clue about business decisions.
Puleeze, Romney couldn't define himself out of a paper bag. President Obama's criticism is less a problem then the fact that Romney has a lot of defining to do. We are learning why Romney avoids it -- Everytime he opens his mouth he inserts a foot.
Take his explanation on tax returns. Since when do spouses of a candidate have to release returns? Is Ann going to do that? John McCain, John Kerry -- Senators have to release financial information all along. So Kerry had a total of 23 years of financial disclosure when he ran for POTUS.
Take the explanation of Cayman Island accounts. In the Land of Mitt Beilieve this is a wonderful land where foreign companies don't pay double taxes, ur huh in other words they can do business in the US and not pay US taxes. Hmm, so why does Romney have HIS money there?
Okay sure, let's "pivot" to Romney's 59-point plan. Oh my, it's all fluff that boils down to two points: The rich get richer, and the poor get poorer. The problem isn't that Romney hasn't defined himself. The problem is if he did, no one would vote for him.
Personally Romney has done our country a service. He is making the common people take notice of the injustices in our system, specifically the tax code. It isn't a question of whether something is legal, the question is should it be legal, and in some cases like Private Inequity firms using government (tax payer) money to line their own pockets -- WTF it should be illegal!
Even Romney as a person -- Has anyone else noticed this man has no interests, hobbies, even sports? If you go into one their mansions, is there a library filled with literature Romney enjoys reading, or perhaps an art collection? What does he do for exercise--maybe jog, or ride a bike, or does he just avoid cookies to stay fit? Riding on jet skis and driving a speed boat, or having a family BBQ poolside aren't interests.
This man has less dimensions than Data the android on Star Trek. Go ahead, try to define yourself Romney.
Romney -- He's only interested in money -- his money.
Have to disagree with the above. Obama may have a team that knows how to bend/exaggerate things a touch, but when it comes to out-and-out false-hoods: Nobody beats the Willard team of sleaze balls! And that is proven every day on Faux News!!!
sreeeeminglib, Rob in MASS, soazDan, Independent in Colorado, Jeff S-1696999, don't make it personal.
You're each suspended for a day for violating #1 of the Code of Honor.
weiß and wissen both mean know in German, if wissen is not the word Germans would use today, a:) German is my second language, b:) I only use German online and in second life. Perhaps my German has a distinct "accent." however I am clearly understood. I don't make fun of Germans when they speak English with a distinct German accent.
Also being Reported are Documents Malibu Mitt Signed in July/1999(after his "RetroActive Retirement") about something Bain was involved in California!
Something about being Responsible!
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm!
You Betcha!
Occupy SoggyBottom!
Rick,
what about Obama's association with J. Wright, the rest of his anti-American friends and the Chicago Mob.
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Isn't it strange he has never had a "real" job, never operated a business but he's the smartest man in the world.
Well he did graduate from Harvard. Also, I don't recall Obama ever being in charge of J. Wright, but Mitt was definitely in charge of Bain
So being a College Professor, Successful Book Author, State Senator, US Senator and President of the United States is not a real job?
Remember, Reagan and Clinton weren't Business men. However, two of the worth Presidents in history were, Herbert Hoover and W. Bush, and they were business men. Gosh,we saw what that got us.
So let's not trust a so called business man to lead us. Remember anyone can be a business man, including a child with a kool aid stand.
Floyd - did it bother you that george jr never had a real job until his family name and money allowed him to be governor of Texas (not much of a job really, considering the gov texass has no real authority or power)? Actually President Obama had a real job, he is an attorney, you know, the folks that wingers only respect if they are also wingers. Don't think Mitt actually ever worked a real work day in his life, being ceo of a company, managing the olympics, governor (pretty bad one from what I can read, going to Boston later this week, will let you all know how the real working/middle class feel about him when I get back) - none of that is real work and you all know it. Real work is getting up at 5:00am every day, getting your family ready for work/school, driving to your job, actually working your job and spending your money with your local merchants.
German Gem - so glad you are concerned about America's children, are you equally concerned about Germany's children? If so, don't let the airwaves hit you where the good Lord split you on your way back.
So being a College Professor, Successful Book Author, State Senator, US Senator and President of the United States is not a real job?
Remember, Reagan and Clinton weren't Business men. However, two of the worse Presidents in history were, Herbert Hoover and W. Bush, and they were business men. Gosh,we saw what that got us.
So let's not trust a so called business man to lead us. Remember anyone can be a business man, including a child with a kool aid stand.
Mitt was definitely in charge of Bain...but not during the time period Bain was a pioneer of outsourcing, according to the Romney campaign. Mitt wants the credit for investing in the Sports Authority, but not in sending jobs overseas. I can certainly understand why.
Those are King Obama's gifts? His goals and glories? Really? He was given the Senator seat in Il. The book he authored is just a rehash of the last ten years and the book about his life is full of LIES. I know you wont read about it on LIBERAL NBC news, but there are MANY news stories about how King Obama lied about people he met and wrote about. When confronted with that FACT, King O said "oh, I accidently put the wrong names in the wrong books". Wow. Such a good author he forgets what he is writing. Nice.
You liberals are "proud" of this sputum? My gosh, how far the Democrats have fallen from the Clinton days.
Sorry Floyd you've officially lost it, when you have to bring Rev. Wright and Chicago Mob up. That shows you angry tea people have absolutely nothing to talk about. Just rehash the past.
Obama will go down in history for what he is: the welfare/food stamp president.
The food stamp program, officially known as the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP), has grown from 26.3 million people in 2007 to 44.7 million last year, an increase of nearly 70 percent.
The landmark welfare reform law President Bill Clinton signed in 1996 helped move nearly 3 million families off the government dole — the result of federal work requirements that promoted greater self-reliance.
Yesterday the Obama administration gutted those federal work rules, ignoring the will of Congress by issuing a policy directive that allows the Department of Health and Human Services to waive the work requirements for the Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (TANF) program
Obama will go down in history for what he is: the welfare/food stamp president.
The food stamp program, officially known as the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP), has grown from 26.3 million people in 2007 to 44.7 million last year, an increase of nearly 70 percent.
The landmark welfare reform law President Bill Clinton signed in 1996 helped move nearly 3 million families off the government dole — the result of federal work requirements that promoted greater self-reliance.
Yesterday the Obama administration gutted those federal work rules, ignoring the will of Congress by issuing a policy directive that allows the Department of Health and Human Services to waive the work requirements for the Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (TANF) program.
"The result is the end of welfare reform,"
Except for being POTUIS....exactly correct. Other than POTUS, none of them is really producing anything...hiring anyone or has any kind of actual executive responsibility. Being POTUS is actually President Obama's first real job....and it shows.
SoazDan - I'm one of those that doesn't work, and get the food stamps and welfare. Why is it wrong to help out the needy? I have 5 kids to support, and need all the help I can get! Child support (when he pays it) doesn't cover half of what I need to make my house payment!
Republicans don't like helping people out?
Republicans like to help people help themselves by getting off welfare. Somehow or other you think it's my responsibility to make up for the bad decisions you made in life? Five kids from a deadbeat dad is somehow my fault or responsibility? Should I just write you a check every other week?!
I really get a kick out of the new liberal(democratic) party. I am a 50 year old midwestern professional that has done pretty well in my life. Was brought up in a democratic party home. My parents were staunch democrats forever and I have voted democratic more than republican. With the totally ugly untruths and rhetoric the far left( Fiesty and her companions) spew I can tell you that us midwest rednecks are sick of this President's liesa and his followers ignorance.
dogs80, but you'll blindly follow big dog Mitt who will not commit to anything? If you don't like the posts here, I'd suggest you pick up a magazine, watch all of the news channels and make up your own mind. I seriously doubt that all of the midwest rednecks think all of the people that comment positively here for the President are ignorant.
dogs 80: Maybe Mitt will give you a lift on the roof of his car?
Mike: "
Except for being POTUIS....exactly correct"
REALLY??? Hilarious! I'll bet you're one of those who, if Obama walked on water, would point and sneer, "See?! Obama can't swim!" There's just no pleasing some people!
So, by your definition, teaching is not really a job? How about nursing? How about waiting tables? Auto repair? Sales?
ATTENTION:
WHAT MOST OF YOU GOOD FOLKS ARE WITNESSING HERE IS A SUSTAIN POLITICAL ASSASSINATION BY THE LIBERAL LEFT DEMOCRATS....ILLINOIS STYLE.
As we all know, obama and most of his close associates are trained in the Illinois style of political attack - but do most of you know that Illinois has a national reputation of having the most corrupted politicians in the America? - with the most convictions and prison sentences? - witness the infamous ex-gov Blago-whatever. Most of our American voters have never experienced the kind of politics that Illinois politicians employ.....carefully orchestrated lies, dirty tricks, character assassinations, facts taken out of context - out right lies that are told long enough that people start believing them to be true.
Don't be taken in by a sitting president that uses or endorses these kind of tactics, don't be taken in by his empty words of promise - remember the promises he made when he ran for president the first time - how many has he kept? Jobs, economic stabilization, low taxes......he does not accept any responsibility for his failures instead blaming them on others - nothing is his fault. He cannot run on his record of meaningful accomplishments so he uses out of context statements to inflame and infuriate his core voting block to avert and refocus every one and sidesteps the real important issues -DON'T be made a fool again by this man - VOTE HIM OUT OF OFFICE IN NOVEMBER because we just can't take another 4 years of his incompetency or his type of dirty politics - don't let him destroy our honor, dignity and integrity, our need for truth - because the more lies we accept the harder it becomes to know the real truth.....and the easier it makes for people like him to fool us.
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obama's chicago mob must be getting scared. anyone with half a brain knows these thugs are really a big mob of liars. it bama gets another 4 years we will survive however we will not live in the united states that we grew up in. bama is a good guy that thinks backward, he was not qualified to be president 3 1/2 years ago, and guess what, he is less qualified now. one of our biggest mistakes was to elect peanut carter, but i'll tell you what i would prefer even carter over another term for bama. the closer to november we get the more lies spew from the wh staff and those idiots on msnbc.
What most of the right fails to realize is that the Obama campaign has taken Romney at his word, Romney wants to be defined as the founder/owner/director of Bain Capitol. That Bain was known for taking out its large fees, outsourcing jobs and leaving many companies to die or live despite what Bain had done to them is not what the GOP wants us to know.
When the only source of your history is your reputation from a business and that business does not have a stellar reputation, you are left with nothing. That's what happens when you let the conservative nut jobs take over and define your party.
The Obama campaign is just using the GOP's idiocy against itself and against its presumptive nominee.
a child with a lemonaid stand will have more understanding of the economy than this Prez Job1.
Every one on the left chants the same thing - obama is a very smart man. That's funny....he admits that while he was in college he smoked dope and snorted drugs (right off the bat I'm thinking that wasn't a smart thing to do - either smoking/snorting or telling people you did), I have just one question....I'd like to know what his GPA was in college - cause I truly don't believe he's very smart - cunning yes, tricky yes...smart NO.
Hey DemforFreedom maybe if you didn't have 5 kids and who knows how many daddies you might be able to get off this post and go get a job. You should thank people like us that carry your ass. Support the needy....you bet. Support the lazy....no way.
Truth and Healing
Sexual Identity Confusion (Transgenderism, Homosexuality) Caused by Emotional Trauma:
Peter Dimrock (MSW) said: "Many men who were sexually abused (especially those abused by other men), are confused about their sexual/affectional preference." (The National Organization on Male Sexual Victimization (NOMSV) website)
Homosexuality Caused By Emotional Trauma as Early as 4 Years Old: Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA 2009): "One half of the victims...often linked their homosexuality to their sexual victimization experiences...The age at the time of the molestation ranged from 4 to 16 with a mean age of 10."
Homosexuality Linked to Emotional Trauma Says Medical Studies - a SEVENFOLD Increase: W.C. Holmes, MD said: "Abused [male] adolescents, particularly those victimized by males, were up to 7 times more likely to self-identify as gay or bisexual..."
What does this have to do with the topic of this board?
I honestly dont think its the Obama campaign that is scared right now, after all for 2 weeks all that has been talked about is Mittens offshore accounts, Bain, and tax returns. Im guessing Mittens is sweating a little bit =)
NOW, Let's get out the TRUTH - In 1998, ROMNEY invested in a CHINESE company that benefited from outsourcing by American companies... ROMNEY offshored/outsourced jobs thru 2002 according to SEC filings which he SIGNED as OWNER, CEO, CHAIRMAN and DIRECTOR of BAIN. During that period at least FIVE companies were governed by ROMNEY. In 2005, ROMNEY sold out MAYTAG to a CHINESE firm. In 2006, the day before he became governor of Massachussetts, Romney hid millions in an offshore "blind trust" under his wife's name so she doesn't even know where it's coming from. And, I must remind you rightwingnuts that in 1993(!) the heritage foundation and republicans made fun of our first lady Hilary Clinton for a "Universal Healthcare" plan (hahahehe) and THEY introduced and ROMNEY supported the INDIVIDUAL MANDATE (until Obama and the Dems did... ooops!) Let's make this simple folks. Rich people want to make as much money for as little investment as they can... and Romney is a gleaming example... selling out jobs, manufacturing, employee healthcare and pension plans while lining his already bloated pockets. He was willing to allow the Auto industry which his own father profited from to bankrupt (100,000+ jobs PLUS ripple effect on other industries). Romney calls Obama's maintaining/saving/rehiring 100,000's of teachers, nurses, cops, firefighters and other union members "government overspending" when THIS is what we pay our tax dollars for!! Building, improving and protecting our way of life NOT more tax breaks for the rich who DO NOT create jobs - OBAMA created more jobs in 3 1/2 years thans BUSH in EIGHT! Tax breaks for the rich will never benefit us; why do you think Romney keeps his tax returns hidden and his MANY MILLIONS outside the U.S.? To avoid Taxes!
OH, speaking of corruption, I forgot to mention that the two big American-owned Las Vegas-style casinoes that opened in the last few years in Macao (off mainland CHINA) developed financial difficulties. Even after a BILLION check from their owner, they needed "help." This "help" turned out to be "political favors" which all levels of management fought and pointed out as a U.S. federal crime to the owner who just said "GO AHEAD ANYWAY." This will be under investigation by the Department of Justice... if it continues under Obama. The same Department of Justice which has been investigating all the republican voter supression laws and stopping them. THAT is the reason the repubs were after Eric Holder... he was doing his job. If the corrupt right put enuf people in power, EVERYBODY'S RIGHTS will be forfeit... oh, and that MULTI-BILLIONAIRE SHELDON ADELSON promises unlimited millions to republican politicians... $5 million to Eric Cantor, alone. Have you figured it out yet? YEP! It's SHELDON ADELSON and can it be any clearer what money will buy??? Lower taxes on the rich, higher taxes and cost on the other 99%. If everyone is a millionaire in congress, why are Dems happy to raise taxes on themselves and Reps so selfish? The tax "increases" wouldn't apply until after the first $250,000 so we it's the Reps that won't cooperate... on infrastructure, job growth, healthcare, etc.
The "Stimulus" was a GREAT SUCCESS and TOO MODEST!! About HALF went for TAX CUTS and the bulk of the remainder was loaned to (and repaid by) the American auto industry. Romney would have let them crash and burn and then sold the scraps to China! We should have borrowed THEN, and rebuilt our infrastructure and re-employed all the government workers we need to keep our government functioning - nurses, teachers, cops, firefighters, etc.
Our government has been SHRINKING under Obama to accommodate budgetary constraints... this is responsible, but hurting the American people. Our government must GROW to match the needs of a GROWING population and its needs - duh! We need more teachers not less... more firefighters not less... THIS is what we REALLY pay taxes for - not to fight wars against people who haven't attacked us and have no WMD! Lies to get behind mindless wars that cost us trillions we now owe the CHINESE. Thanks, "Dubba!" VOTE DEMOCRAT, if you believe in democracy - Save America - OBAMA 2012
Other documents, signed by Romney, show that he was sole shareholder, chairman, CEO and president of Bain in 2000, 2001 and 2002.
Romney has said the confusion is due to the fact that it took some time for such disclosure documents to accurately reflect his role at Bain, an argument he took to the airwaves in a media blitz on Friday. Romney also defended the company he set up, saying, "there's nothing wrong with the fact that the firm went on and it was a successful enterprise."
Romney has also refused to release the board minutes from the period in question at Bain that could prove he had no role at the firm.
WTF
Hey brain child, he was in high school. What is wrong with you people. Stop listening to Rush. He constantly lies. If you are that gullible you deserve what ever happens to you. You're intimidated because he's a whole lot smarter then you. Of course I have a potted plant that's a whole lot smarter then you.
Mr. Romney does not have to "define himself". Heck, just let the Organizer-in-Chief keep talking WITHOUT his teleprompter and sticking his foot in mouth.
It is now time for Mr. Obama to "DEFINE HIMSELF". Oh, that wouldn't do since we already know who he "aligns" himself with.
If you folks want to continue to drag yourselves in the mud, I suppose I could join you:
Time to disclose those college records (especially the Student Loan documents).
Talk about being SMART: Mr. Biden can grow plants without water, soil, or sun (college graduation speech). And just think, he is 2nd in line to assume the Presidency. Guess he would be a NOTCH above Mr. Obama. LOLOLOL.
Keep repeating the lies Mr. Obama. They have been debunked over and over and over... You are quickly becoming a caricature of the slick talking community agitator with no plan to right the economy, the Chicago thug politician who relies on a compliant press to deflect from your utter failure as a leader and obfuscate your baseless charges. Many of us saw through your “hope and change” and “yes we can” platitudes four years ago. It must be dismaying to realize that each day more Americans realize the emptiness of your rhetoric. You are a divider. Your promise of uniting the country to create a greater good has proven hollow. You denigrate the achievers who make this country the beacon of hope for a world that desperately needs it. You patronize those who desperately want to participate in he American dream with promises you have no intention of keeping.
You and your ilk are like the locusts depicted in “A Bugs Life”, only much more sinister. You rely on a naive and vulnerable population, one that you can convince actually needs you. You disparage and slander the industrious, hard working Americans that make this country great and try to convince those with less that the bounty they have acquired was somehow ill gotten and undeserved. You promise to take that bounty from those who played by the rules and worked incredibly hard to acquire it and “spread the wealth” to those who follow you. You justify that taking by proclaiming that “If you have a business, you didn’t build it, someone else (government) made it happen”. It has occurred to me that your study of American history has suffered from your focus on the teachings of Marx and Lenin. It may be instructive for you to know that several hundred years ago an empire tried the same argument to convince colonialists who were braving an untamed wilderness, building roads and manufacturing goods (without the “benefit” of a central government) for sale to the general population as well as the rest of the world that their existence was dependent on the good graces of pompous aristocrats sipping sherry in overstuffed chairs safely located several thousand miles away. Those same colonialists rejected those assertions. Without a central government they formed militias and defeated the British Empire and established a country that despite your apologies to the contrary, is the greatest country in history.
I am not an ant Mr. Obama. No one in this country needs to be an ant. This country was founded on the premise of providing opportunity to all. We do not need you. You need us - to pay for the plane you and your family flies to Hawaii, Martha's vineyard, golf outings, Hollywood fund raisers etc., but more importantly to pay off the slime that promoted your rise in politics. The truth is YOU need government Mr. Obama.
Puleeze, Romney couldn't define himself out of a paper bag. President Obama's criticism is less a problem then the fact that Romney has a lot of defining to do. We are learning why Romney avoids it -- Everytime he opens his mouth he inserts a foot.
Take his explanation on tax returns. Since when do spouses of a candidate have to release returns? Is Ann going to do that? John McCain, John Kerry -- Senators have to release financial information all along. So Kerry had a total of 23 years of financial disclosure when he ran for POTUS.
Take the explanation of Cayman Island accounts. In the Land of Mitt Beilieve this is a wonderful land where foreign companies don't pay double taxes, ur huh in other words they can do business in the US and not pay US taxes. Hmm, so why does Romney have HIS money there?
Okay sure, let's "pivot" to Romney's 59-point plan. Oh my, it's all fluff that boils down to two points: The rich get richer, and the poor get poorer. The problem isn't that Romney hasn't defined himself. The problem is if he did, no one would vote for him.
Personally Romney has done our country a service. He is making the common people take notice of the injustices in our system, specifically the tax code. It isn't a question of whether something is legal, the question is should it be legal, and in some cases like Private Inequity firms using government (tax payer) money to line their own pockets -- WTF it should be illegal!
Even Romney as a person -- Has anyone else noticed this man has no interests, hobbies, even sports? If you go into one their mansions, is there a library filled with literature Romney enjoys reading, or perhaps an art collection? What does he do for exercise--maybe jog, or ride a bike, or does he just avoid cookies to stay fit? Riding on jet skis and driving a speed boat, or having a family BBQ poolside aren't interests.
This man has less dimensions than Data the android on Star Trek. Go ahead, try to define yourself Romney.
Romney -- He's only interested in money -- his money.
This is important. Romney is where he is because of his father -- The name, and some money to start life with (yes, Mitt had money to start with). Business owners like Bill Bain would recruit top performers from Harvard business school, sure. Aside from how the rich like Romney have an advantage getting into Harvard (which is far more questionable than President Obama's background), after that it is about connections and who you know. This is yet another inequity of our society, but making it worse with our tax code is insane.
One thing, when Romney goes negative it would help his trustworthy problem if he'd stay away from blatant lies. For example, Romney has been repeating the FAUX Noise edited, out-of-context speech by the president. This only pisses me off and makes me more disgusted. I wouldn't vote for Romney for many reasons, but why piss people off?
True,
Personally, I think that helping your children to get a good start in life is every parent's goal. Why would anyone have a problem with Governor Romney's father using his money to ensure that his son got a good education at the best school possible?
The fact that Romney took advantage of the opportunity his father provided to become a "top performer" is what got him the job at Bain & Company and, if he hadn't performed well, it wouldn't have mattered how much money his father had or where he went to school, he would not have risen to the level he did. People like Bain, who run multi-million dollar companies, are not going to promote people that do not perform. To suggest otherwise would be silly. Romney rose to the top of the firm because of his skills and ability.
Both campaigns grab on to any sound-bite that helps them make their point. You can say it is out of context all you want, but I highly doubt that you were defending Romney when people took the "I'm not concerned about the poor....." comment out of context. It's what political campaigns do.
dem-freedom
you are one of those who doesn't work, you explain. when i come home from work and you're laid up in the aircondition watching tv it does annoy me. and oh, now you're pregnant again when you can't take care of yourself much less any kids. why would i like taking care of you? get it now?
I guess the Romney campaign might have a plan for when they'll start defining him, but I still don't know what they'll define him as. So far he's dealt in generalities (I'll close loopholes) and bashing the President. His claim to fame and rationale for running is his Bain experience, and now he's either got to run away from that or explain why 1) it didn't necessarily focus on improving the lot of the middle class, or 2) how being a business executive correlates to being an effective president.
It was interesting to read how he wanted to be associated with Bain from 1999 to 2002 when he was running for Governor, but now that he is running for President, he wants no association with Bain.
This is Rmoney for you, folks. He spins like a top.
Also interesting how he rarely mentions any of his "accomplishments" as Gov of MA. You would think that it would be more relevant to running for President.
And Obama is running on his record???
Romney could run on his history as a sociopath.
Start with high school thug, move on to playing state cop, pulling over frightened people, the dog incident, then end with a job history killing careers and jobs. Nice sociopath ya got there.
Ha ha ha ha ha Feisty red - this is "hardball"?? My gosh, if this is hardball, King Obama better think twice about taking the field. His little politically motivated kiss of his significant other is about all the harder he can handle. He doesn't mind pictures with 2 year olds (no, I dont mean his staff), but he sure cant handle an actual, verifiable, certified question from an actual, verified, guaranteed reporter. Wow. Can you spell two year old? O-B-A-M-A. Sure, I knew you could. He tossed such a hissy fit over ONE (1) question that I would have thought he had been asked about his fake birth cert. again. We all know how he hates being reminded that he STILL HAS NOT PROVIDED A CERTIFIED COPY. Oh, gosh, so silly - right?
Sure, we all want a foreigner for our POTUS. Sure. Why not? Who cares - right? Next, we'll elect Khaddafi's son into the Oval Office. Wont be much difference from the current trespasser.
C'mon red - where are your guts? Cant handle a simple statement of facts can you? No, no, you just want to make goofy comments about how "wrong" the GOP is. If the GOP is so "wrong", why is King Obama trying to continue GWB programs???? Huh? Oh gosh, you look a little pale. Do you want the Socialist Dictator to give YOU a kiss? Oh, how grand THAT would be - huh??? Pucker up Red. He will give it to you and I'm not sure you will like his 2nd term.
mentioning the birth certificate issue is akin to saying Hitler or Nazi in a disicussion,...
DEAL BREAKER
Little angry there RWING? Take heart that's what losers do, get angry. Are you shaking like your party leader Limbaugh was yesterday?
That was truly a dumb statement...1) It's not the job of any company to "focus on improving the lot of the middle class," although that is often (especially in Bain's case) the byproduct of successful business and 2) Being an effective business executive, especially in large companies is part and parcel with the management or executive aspects of the Presidency. This is most obvious with the Obama presidency. His administration is one of the most inept in history...naive in foreign policy and definitely not agile when it comes to running day-to-day operations.
Really Mike? So if Romney is running on his Bain experience, what he's really doing is telling us that as president he'll be adept at creating wealth for investors? And as a CEO, owner and sole shareholder at Bain, who did he have to negotiate with to set budgets and change policy? I believe any president needs to work with Congress in order to do that.
If you thought beyond the spoon fed talking points you've ingested, maybe you'd see that maybe the "I'm a businessman so therefore I'd make a great president" is the dumb statement. Especially as evidenced by Dubya - there was one successful presidency for you.
Rwing: I'm afraid YOU'RE the one who could use a kiss.
GermanGem . . looking at a clock today does not tell the entire story. My question to you is. . .what was the deficit when Clinton left office and what was the deficit when Obama took over?
Ah Gwaddamn! All you Romney supporters can talk all the bullsh^t you can remember, but you can't, or won't answer why He's running. I mean literally running. Running from his tenure as Governor of Massachusetts! Running from his ownership at "bain" "spit" capital. Running from what He told the SEC. Running from what he told the American people. Running from His tax records. Running from hiding the computer contents of his time as Ma. governor. Running from telling us how He will right the countries ship. This sorry son-of-a-bitch is running from everything. If He finds a way I'm sure He would really love to run away from Himself. He'll never be president, if for no other reason than, no one could ever get him still long enough to be sworn in. Here Comes mitt! No!, Aye Gwad! There He goes!
WHAT?-4099780#3.10: Beg your pardon. Looks to me like "Rwing" is really looking for an "ass to kiss" rather than just a kiss. Regards
So....is Romney running on his Bain experience he has been telling everyone he was running on for years, or is Romney running on the Bain experience he is saying he now said he didn't say he was running on?
Which one is he lying about?
Even Reagan could not be in the repub party anymore because of the rt wing repubs platforms now. Pledging to Norquist to never raise taxes on the rich. The Ryan Plan sure as hell raises taxes on the middle class. Reagan raised taxes 11 times. The party of no says no to Reagan.
Obama/Biden 2012
Which message has Romney been knocked off of? He has so many how can you tell?
Believe me the public knows Romney's campaign is sweating. Michael O'Brien; quit trying to make it sound like Romney's calm, cool and collected. Romney, Limbaugh, the talking heads over at Fox and most of the other tea people Koch republicans are having a melt down. Watching Limbaugh on clips yesterday he was actually shaking he was so angry, he's about to have a mental breakdown. Time for the Oxycontin again Rush. You might want to share some Oxycontin with Willard and the weirdo's over at Fox. It's fun watching these nuts melt down right before our eye's.
In short, Republicans believe that few voters have yet to tune in fully to the campaign, and that Romney has several opportunities to reach voters who might be less familiar with his background and record.
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Translation: There are many people out there that don't know Rmoney is a clueless, vacuous, cult member with no morals, and Republicans are hoping they will vote for him before they find out what a creep he is.
Romney show us the tax returns. What are you hiding.
II'd also liek to know who's bundling contributions of him. Who's going to be holding the markers and what will they want?
Whoever is donating to Romney's campaign has more money than than brains. Romney will not win.
"A fool and his money...." And what a waste. Could have built a school with those millions. Funded a cloud-seeding technology, and cured us of the drought. God forbid the 1%ers create jobs with the money they donate to political campaigns.
And the tea people Koch republicans would have you believe rich business people are smart. A really good business person looks at the ROI (return on investment) before they invest. These so called business people donating to Romney have inherited their wealth and don't have a clue how to manage it, just like Romney. All seventeen of them will wake up on November 7th and say what the hell were we thinking. One thing about it though, they are helping the economy, even though their to stupid to realize it.
Obama show us all information you have on Fast and Furious ,You Murderer by Proxy!
Tim........you just won the most insane rant of the blog............you don't get an award...you get laughed at!
Good political strategies or not, the 1% wealthy GOPers are attempting to buy the presidential election and key senate races as well. The old boy network on steroids.
lol, yes of course, its only ok when the Democrats buy elections
Well, Adelson has committed $100 million. Koch boys who knows? Not what the founding fathers envisioned as free speech in my humble opinion. Sad thing is these guys hide behind anonymous giving while sponsoring legislation requiring some older person, who has voted their entire lives, to all of sudden produce a picture ID at the polling booth. Cynicism unabated.
Go 1%!!! Obama has been the most polarizing POTUS in history. Can't run on his record (zero accomplishments) unless you call the disaster healthcare reform an accomplishment... He has to go in November!
Sore loser, how many of you tea people nuts are going to keep repeating the lie, "President Obama can't run on his record" you do know he's been running on his record ever sense he started campaigning. Well how naive of me, you don't know anything except what you've been told by nutty Limbaugh and the Fox nuts. Carry on with your lies, nobody believes you anyway, well except the nutty tea people Koch republicans that have been told the same thing.
Mo,
Obama cannot run on his record nor is he choosing to. I have not heard him say a peep about Obamacare nor about his economic "accomplishments". We need someone who knows how to create jobs. Romney did that at Bain (both domestic and international) which is something we desparately need. The current POTUS is out of his depth when it comes to the economy. In short, he has no clue. That is not even in dispute. Time to bring in the adults.
Pay closer attention... only yesterday in Cincinnati he spoke at length about ObamaCare.
Even said he's glad it's called ObamaCare because unlike the GNOP he really does CARE!
If you would tune into something other than Fox & Rush you would be aware he talks about these issues at every campaign stop...
Just 10 of Obama's accomplishments (a short list):
1. Passed Health Care Reform: After five presidents over a
century failed to create universal health insurance, signed the Affordable Care
Act (2010). It will cover 32 million uninsured Americans beginning in 2014 and
mandates a suite of experimental measures to cut health care cost growth, the
number one cause of America’s long-term fiscal problems.
2. Passed the Stimulus: Signed $787 billion American
Recovery and Reinvestment Act in 2009 to spur economic growth amid greatest
recession since the Great Depression. Weeks after stimulus went into effect,
unemployment claims began to subside. Twelve months later, the private sector
began producing more jobs than it was losing, and it has continued to do so for
twenty-three straight months, creating a total of nearly 3.7 million new
private-sector jobs.
3. Passed Wall Street Reform: Signed the Dodd-Frank Wall
Street Reform and Consumer Protection Act (2010) to re-regulate the financial
sector after its practices caused the Great Recession. The new law tightens
capital requirements on large banks and other financial institutions, requires
derivatives to be sold on clearinghouses and exchanges, mandates that large
banks provide “living wills” to avoid chaotic bankruptcies, limits their
ability to trade with customers’ money for their own profit, and creates the
Consumer Financial Protection Bureau (now headed by Richard Cordray) to crack
down on abusive lending products and companies.
4. Ended the War in Iraq: Ordered all U.S. military forces
out of the country. Last troops left on December 18, 2011.
5. Began Drawdown of War in Afghanistan: From a peak of
101,000 troops in June 2011, U.S. forces are now down to 91,000, with 23,000
slated to leave by the end of summer 2012. According to Secretary of Defense
Leon Panetta, the combat mission there will be over by next year.
6. Eliminated Osama bin laden: In 2011, ordered special
forces raid of secret compound in Abbottabad, Pakistan, in which the terrorist
leader was killed and a trove of al-Qaeda documents was discovered.
7. Turned Around U.S. Auto Industry: In 2009, injected $62
billion in federal money (on top of $13.4 billion in loans from the Bush
administration) into ailing GM and Chrysler in return for equity stakes and agreements
for massive restructuring. Since bottoming out in 2009, the auto industry has
added more than 100,000 jobs. In 2011, the Big Three automakers all gained
market share for the first time in two decades. The government expects to lose
$16 billion of its investment, less if the price of the GM stock it still owns
increases.
8. Recapitalized Banks: In the midst of financial crisis,
approved controversial Treasury Department plan to lure private capital into
the country’s largest banks via “stress tests” of their balance sheets and a
public-private fund to buy their “toxic” assets. Got banks back on their feet
at essentially zero cost to the government.
9. Repealed “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell”: Ended 1990s-era
restriction and formalized new policy allowing gays and lesbians to serve
openly in the military for the first time.
10. Toppled Moammar Gaddafi: In March 2011, joined a
coalition of European and Arab governments in military action, including air
power and naval blockade, against Gaddafi regime to defend Libyan civilians and
support rebel troops. Gaddafi’s forty-two-year rule ended when the dictator was
overthrown and killed by rebels on October 20, 2011. No American lives were
lost.
Hilarious to hear Rush, war deferrment for an ingrown hair on his azz, Limbaugh chastizing Obama for smoking dope while in high school.
Rush who dropped out of Southeast Missouri State because as Rush's Mother said "He flunked everything", and never did graduate, then became addicted to oxycottin (sp?).
I love hypocracy exposed.
4 more 4 44.
Everything Obama has done over the last 3 1/2 years is public record. If unsure try Google and you'll get hundreds of thousands of articles and opinions on everything he's done. However, for Romney trying to find out information on taxes paid or details on the legality of his offshore accounts no one knows.
Feisty Red,
I missed the Cincy speech. Did it include content relative to him flat out lying to the American people that the mandate is actually a tax as opposed to a penalty? He lied.....liars are scum.
What?
You call those listed "accomplishments". The majority of us call many of these bonehead, idiotic, government meddling decisions. I'll give him partial credit on 4, 5, 6 (though ALL the heavy lifting was done by President Bush on that one) and 9. He should have stayed the heck out of the rest as each of those decisions has continued to be a drag on the economy. Unemployment still more than where he committed to if he passed stimulus. US taxpayer still on the hook for billions to the "auto industry" er, I mean two screwed up company's in the form of GM and Chrysler. Dodd Franks adding wet blanket effect to overall economy.
Not listed is his failed committment (i.e, see lie) to close GITMO in year one. Nor is his institutionalized bribery and his used car salesman approach (i.e, see lie) to getting ObamaCare through. Nor is his committment to transparent administration (i.e, see Fast and Furious). Face it, he is dishonest and this has been by almost all measures a failed presidency. Time for a change. Time to bring the adults in that know what they are doing with regard to the economy.
Do you only think the 1% are Republicans. How about Warren Buffett, Bill Gates, Steve Jobs, Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi and almost all of Hollywood. You are ignorant to think otherwise. Obummer wants everyone to think only Republicans have money and that somehow only they understand the poor. Get a grip.
OMG... I smell Fiesty, JOB 1, and Amy From Portland today...yuk
Teabaggers constantly whine about Obama not speaking about what he's accomplished but wouldn't leave the channel for 1 second if Obama was speaking. Most of Obamas campaigning is on his record. They usually recap his speeches you should replay them all maybe you'll learn something.
Victor: You mean like Romney lying saying his mandate was a penalty instead of a tax? By most peoples definition requiring only those not performing a certain action to pay would be considered a penalty, a tax would apply to everyone. If the SCOTUS defines it differently that's what we have to go with. No lie that i see.
Larry,
Selective analysis comes in handy for you. No, the lie that Barack drove in regard to ObamaCare was that he sold it to the American people as NOT being a tax (see Stephenaoplis interview) and then deliberatly argued in front of the SCOTUS that is WAS a tax. That is where he deliberately lied to the American people. If you choose to play ostrich with your head in the sand have at it. The evidence that the POTUS is dishonest and a liar is so overwhelming even they don't deny it. (Well, he usually calls it an "evolving" positon--LOLOLOL)
Me personally, I feel that liars are the scum of the scum. It is the ultimate insult. Unfortunately we have one residing in the Oval office now.
One of the signs a campaign is in trouble is that they have to redefine themselves. Didn't the other republicans already define him. He is very rich. He is very rich. He is very rich. And he hasn't a clue how the rest of America lives or thinks. That is his one and only definition. Along with vulture capitalism. I think less of Mormonism now. I heard where they think if you lie you go to hell. That doesn't seem to be concerning Romney at all.
getter....Duh....the rich people you mentioned in the 1%....want to pay more fair taxes....repubs want welfare for the rich making middle class and poor pay their taxes for them....BIG DIFF!
According to Obama any one who created a business, did so only because of government support.
Obama is actually the DUMBEST HUMAN BEING ON THE PLANET!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I have never witnessed such stupidity from a supposed college graduate.
If you actually think that Barack Obama is unintelligent, or doubt that he actually graduated from college, you may need to calm down and take a breath. Those things actually happened and are well documented.
Observer...
Explain how a business using infrastructure paid for by tax dollars didn't benefit from government support?
Gee THANKS Frugal Dem - what else has this Imposter in Chief documented? His birth? No, no, that is not a valid subject - it has been rejected by the USA MEdia as being "hateful".
Sorry, has he documented how, as a college student, he gave up his American citizenship so he could travel to Indonesia - for months! How does a college student afford to travel - FOR MONTHS around the world??
Watch your answer - remember his story is that his mom was a single mother, not a millionaire. What happened to his citizenship? Is he a citizen? He has no birth certi. that is certified. He renounced his "citizenship" when he went to Indonesia (so he could enter Indonesia) - so what does he have?
N-o-t-h-i-n-g. Do not vote for this sputum. No Mo O in 2012.
Observer, you need to do better observation. In case you missed or choose to ignore the facts regarding the President's remarks on Roanoak.
here is the full context of the President's remarks. You listen to too much Fox and read too much right wing propaganda:
Posted by Dennis on an earlier thread...thanks
The context of the Roanoke, VA speech:
If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business — you didn’t build that (unbelievable American system). Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn’t get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet. The point is, is that when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2012/07/13/remarks-president-campaign-event-roanoke-virginia
RWIG, you need to call your party leader Limbaugh and see if he'll get you some Oxycontin to calm you down. that's what Limbaugh took yesterday when he was so angry he was shaking. You're totally going off the deep end this morning.
Observer, You are an idiot. Do you think anyone is able to survive by themself? Its the usual myth about the individual winning out against evil nature or whatever. The reality is that without the society into which we are born death would be the certain result. Without the society which we have created (and the government that goes along with it) life would hardly be possible let alone the idea of a business. In early societies ostracism was the most severe penalty other than outright killing because it meant death. To make it clear for you- without the society and its infrastructure-created not by the businessman but by the government and others- the opportunities for successful businesses would be nil. The only reason a business can have the chance to be successful is because of the environment created by others. This is not even mentioning the help one might receive from family, church, friends, a free education, mentors wellwishers and others So, not only can you not do it by yourself but you owe to society when you are successful-its called taxation. How much is open to debate but everyone surely sees the need and desirability for such a system. I wish folks like you would read some books and get a clue about how the world works. It must be pretty gloomy on your planet.
BWhite:
By Calling me an Idiot really just shows the true ignorance of a true blind liberal.
I have created business's and without any government help.
Roads are built by tax payers unlike someone like you who must live off of taxpayers.
Job creators are REAL TAX PAYERS thus we PAID FOR THESE ROADS!!!!!!!!!!
Wake up.
You liberals need to start reading the results of earnings season that started last week. Companies are starting to report their quarterly earnings from last quarter. That includes reporting how much they pay in taxes and what the percentage of corporate income is paid. Several of the companies I own a few shares in have reported so far and the average federal tax rate is about 30%!!!!! The tax liability racks up in the hundreds of millions of dollars for these large corporations. And you liberals are going to tell me that our largest companies (including multinationals) are not paying taxes????? The koolaid must really be undiluted today.
Observer:
"Obama is actually the DUMBEST HUMAN BEING ON THE PLANET!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
Actually - meaning factually correct? This means you have access to the results of this survey you purport the President won.
Could you post a copy of the results or did you just pull this statement out of thin air? TOUGH CALL!
Observer, right on Obama has had virtually all the media, the vast majority of acadamia plus billions of union money and Romney is neck to neck. Liberals have 10 times the money as conservatives with all the liberal foundations its wonder we aren't already Greece. MSM never sought for or requested John Kerry's tax records and he has three to four times the wealth. The network that participates in this post: is really part of Obama 2012 by their fragrant bias in obvious support of Obama. There is obviously 10 to one posters who are liberal democrats many I believe are paid by Soros or the DCCC's master stalker Jesse F. Ferguson.
The average corporation pays an 18% corporate tax rate. The top corporate rate being 35% holds no more meaning than the top individual rate being 35% when someone like Romney pays 14.9% on 42 million., (On returns he shows.) Romney likely paid far less, maybe zero in past years. That's why he won't release more returns.
Obumer was born as an illegal immigrant. Everything He has done in office should be reversed. Then impeached from office and deported out of the U.S. with His entire family.
"Observer, "Bob stuck in KC", "Luke Skywalker no"?, and "Robert Johnson of serveral no's", next time you show up, pee before you do. All your firecrackers are wet.
I wrote "Johnson" a purpose, Cause I think He/She is posing under the assumed name of "Jackson".
Robert Jackson - how can Obama be an illegal immigrant? Even if you dont believe he was born in Hawaii, he has an American mother. By your standards I guess Mccain would be an illegal immigrant. I do hope you understand that if you are born to an American parent no matter where you are born you are an American, you birthers really do scare me, only for the fact that you are able to breed.
OK Birthers....do search on....birthers are stupid....or birthers are ignorant...or birthers are insane....and see all the websites , numerous by repubs , saying exactly that. Birthers are stupid, ignorant etc.......Even Glenn beck says birthers are stupid.
What is puzzleing is Romney has been running for office for years....and he knew he would be running for president once McCain lost.
So why isn't Romney and his campaign staff ready for issues like off-shore accounts, taxes, Bain, Romneycare, outsourcing? To say nothing of being blindsided by the response to the dog story, the bullying story, building of a car elevator, etc.
What in the heck did Romney think....just because he is wealthy people would not question him? Just because he and Anne think it is "his turn" to be president that people would not want some substance?
Really, the fact that Romney and his campaign have been so incompetent makes it very obvious he is not presidential material.
Hard to actually classify a neck-in-neck campaign as "incompetent"........ seems like he's doing just fine......
Calling Romney's team's refusal to release his tax returns, despite demands from Democrats and Republicans alike, rigid discipline is one slant. It is more likely a frozen response driven by panic. Romney's willingness to take diametrically opposed positions on the same subject depending on who he is addressing, up to now, has been incredibly bizarre to many. Romney's was not lying or pandering, his position evolved.
His evolving antics have now come up against legal records. Let's be polite and call it pandering under oath. Pandering under oath is illegal in the view of our legal system. That brings everyone back to the tax-records.
How much pandering did he do on those tax-returns, during 1999-2001 he had earnings from Bain of 100K/yr. Did the panderer take any Bain business deductions on those returns while not working for them?
Micahel,
He has disclosed what is required of the law. That is enough. Thank you.
The author tried to frame the debates as Romney having an equal chance to prove his dexterity in debating?! Not a chance against the president.
How about Romney's dexterity at a TOWN HALL meeting.
Answering voters questions.
Obama 2012
Romney holding a town hall would = he will fly in those and give them the questions to ask, this guy doesnt want to tell the people anything, yet he wants us to vote for him.
Romney flew in his own blacks to applause at NAACP meeting.
if the headline is bashing Romney, you can bet Fiesty is the first on the page. Funny @!$%#!!
She is really pathetic. She is an unemployed slug that spews her shytt constantly.
It's amazing how you tea people Koch republicans can accuse someone else of doing exactly what you are doing. Are you people so ashamed of what you are doing and saying you have to try and make yourselves feel better by falsely accusing someone else. Sad thing is you're so entrenched in the tea people Koch republican cult you believe the lies you tell.
Democrats: "Don't look at the failed presidency, the recession/depression, the black hole of national debt, the unemployment, and the 100+ rounds of golf! Look at the evil rich man who won't tell us how much money he made! God forbid that we have someone who actually KNOWS what he's doing in office!"
Obama has been a failure for almost four years; why would you expect anything more over the next 4.5? Kick the Obummer out, and elect someone who can succeed. Vote for Romney.
Your got all the cult talking points in Paul. All lies but you got them in none the less.
Try to honestly name one politician that isn't a crook at heart, interested only in his/her own well being. OUR Congress sucksand the POTUS isn;t any better. Vote for no incumbents.
You tea people Koch republican cultists tried that in 2010 Cliff. And look where that bad idea got us.
Reading the liberal comments on this thread, the only argument they make is the one that I find so imbecilic. i.e., Don't vote for Romney; he's an evil rich guy who is disconnected from the rest of us. Instead, stick with Odumbass, the person who has, and will continue to bury us in debt, nanny-state law, and unemployment.
What a sorry message.
Well said.
Romney is too successful in the private sector to qualify for President per the Indonesian Citizen Barry Soetoro.
With statements like you three just made, and you wonder why you tea people and Romney are losing. Are you three really that disconnected from reality?
Actually if you read through all the posts those supporting Obama give all kinds of reasons for supporting Obama. Republicans do nothing but call everyone they disagree with liars and don't even attempt to defend Romney. Can any of you explain other than it's none of your business why Romney won't release returns all candidates have since 1994? Why Romney won't submit information required by all appointed office holders such as judges, cabinet members etc.? His only defense is it isn't legally required. Or that Romneys the only candidate in history arrogant enough to appoint an employee to run his blind trust claiming he has no input as to how it's run?
The romney man shouldn't only blame obama. Others even those in his party think that he should release more than 2 years of tax returns. How about 20 years of tax returns like the most presidential candidates. Mccain did.
It's another job for the minister of propaganda field marshal goebbels i mean limbaugh. Spewing hatred and lies, it's up to the limbaugh to convince his weal minded minions that the romeny man is correct. That the tax returns disclosures are not required by law. So unnecessary. Then have fake callers call to support the limbaugh man. Tell him what a great man he is and the great service he is doing fot this country. It works every time. The limbaugh man has his listeners nearly totally brainwashed.
Romney should offer nothing until Obama makes his college transcripts public and opens all those documents he had sealed in Chicago. He is hiding something reall important and Romney must use this leverage to force him to open up!
Apples and oranges, Watermoon. Let's not try to change the subject.
Watermoon, it's apparent you have nothing. Do you think Romney should release his college transcripts also?
Well at least we know, judging by the comments all over the vine, that the attacks are definitely getting to the repubs.
Because those attacks are not true. If they were true no problem.
Yeah, they're doing a great job of stirring up the hornet's nest. The attacks are for simpleminded drones who believe that it's best for the country to have someone running the country who have no freaking clue about how to be successful.
You're talking about Romney Paul W., right. I thought so. I agree Romney doesn't have a clue, well about anything to be honest.
Exactly Mo, we should just get use to 8+% unemployment. It's definitely better than having a Republican President, right?
Oh, and the President saved GM and killed OBL.
Slo how do you know they are not true. were you there? All we have to go by is the SEC filings and Mitt signed them. It sounds like you believe that they are not true because Mitt said so.
Two separate entities, Bain Capital, inc and Bain Capital LLC (Which is what it was called after his partners bought it). Stop swallowing the lies your hero keeps feeding you, go to the SEC website and see for yourself.
Obama's not going to like this getting turned around on him. Seems Obama’s own portfolio shows that despite his heated rhetoric, he makes
investment decisions without regard to whether companies are outsourcing.
You can look at a full list of the fund’s holdings as of Sept. 30, 2011, here. He's heavely invested in companies that have outsourced thousands of US jobs. Good luck with this one sheeple.
james -so they changed the name you say (and apparently the form from an Inc. to an LLC) after Romney sold his shares. so what? what impact does that have on the veracity of the claims being made by Obama and Romney?
The question is not whether outsourcing is "good" or "bad" - there is no inherent morality or lack of morality to outsourcing on an individual business basis if the idea is to lower expenses and raise the bottom line. It does raise some business ethics questions of the relationship between management and their employees, and whether ownership should factor the impact on the employees which have sustained its efforts to date. The question is, with the difficulty this economy is having in generating both private and public sector jobs, what role, if any, should government play in trying to keep or relocate jobs from overseas to the U.S. And in that respect, what is each candidates position, and what does their past performance tell us, if anything, about their views on outsourcing for individual business success, but more importantly, about the overall success of our economy. Does Romney think outsourcing to further efficiencies in american industry is something we should be encouraging or discouraging? Seems to me we are all stuck on Bain because Romney made his experience there the center point of his campaign; Obama found a soft spot with some apparent discrepancies, and surprisingly, Romney seemed unprepared to meet the attack. Since McCain had this info in 2008, difficult to understand the slow clumsy response to date.
No need to take serious those attacks against Romney from that Indonesian Citizen Barry Soetoro.
Trouble is Kurt, 75% of the country is taking those attacks seriously. It's just you Limbaugh Fox lemmings who don't take them seriously. But then again all you tea people Koch republicans are serious about is lying.
I know, MO, to you, Romney is too successful in the Private Sector to qualify for President as the Indonesian Barry Soetoro also thinks.
The questions for Romney won't be limited to Obama and his campaign. As the debates near the pressure will continue to increase unless Romney comes clean with his taxes. Anyone really think moderators for the debates aren't going to insist Romney release his returns or explain his reasons for refusing? What would be his excuse for refusing to release information every appointed employee under him as president would be required to submit?
Romney's efforts are frankly, pathetic. The simple fix would be releasing the 23 years of tax returns he gave to McCain when being vetted for VICE President. He won't and people from all parties won't take him seriously.
He can try and redefine all he wants, it isn't going to do a bit of good...and he only has himself to blame.
Doc, why do you believe it's important to see his tax returns at all? Who gives a flying fk? How about getting odumbo to release his GRADES?
Why do you democrat=communists hate success?
Make Obama also open up all his college transcripts and the documents he has sealed in Chicago before you open anything Mr. Romney!
Romney's father was the one who set the precedent of showing several years worth of tax returns saying Americans should know how a candidate made their money and how they invest their money.
So Romney is going against the precedent his father set.
There is only 1 reason Romney will not show several years of tax returns and that is because they would further damage his already imploding campaign. No amount of spin from Repubs can change that fact.
You're trying to defend Romney on his tax returns is falling way short Paul, Joe and watermoon.
BTW: joe thomas (are you too lazy to capitalize you name), us Democratic Liberals don't hate success, we hate liars like you and Romney. But see you just don't get it.
Paul W.: Every Judge, Cabinet appointment or other federal employee holding a major post under a president Romney would be required by law to submit their returns for the last eight years to prove their suitability. Why would the man who would be president be held to a lower standard?
Obummer: "Somebody along the line gave you some help.... You didn't build that [business]. If you've been successful, you didn't get there on your own." It was the NANNY state that made you successful. You are INCAPABLE of any original thought, generation of any actual value, or even making a choice. You need the Nanny-in-chief and his minions hired from liberal colleges (those bastions of enterprise) to tell you how to do that.
Where oh where did the Red Communist Slunt go? She left her piles of shytt all over this blog, and like flies the supporters of the Matriarch of MSNBC flew right to it. HUSSEIN MUST GO, along with his communist agenda.
she won't know what to do come Nov. when he is removed from the Whitehouse!!
Maybe the mooching slunt will get a job.
joe thomas
hint: your offensive posts are not helping Romney, and will likely get you banned from posting. This website does not tolerate bad language for very long. It's really a place for people to discuss politics, not to just display what amounts to vulgar graffiti.
Joe is just shaking with anger Amy. He's a detriment to himself as well as Romney. Limbaugh personified Joe's anger in the clips of him yesterday as he shook with anger as he vomited out his hate for President Obama. That's what people who know their going to lose do.
Meanwhile you will never see this story on NBC or the other White House networks. This Obama gaff is going to see a flood of campaign donations to Romney.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/07/17/business-groups-criticize-obama-over-remarks-about-government-role-in-success/#ixzz20rIiarHb
Of course not. The propaganda machine would do its best to hide it instead.
Watermoon...
Ah Watermoon.....we just had a conversation regarding this on another topic.
Fox is lying....and you are lying about this. Obama was talking about how businesses did NOT build the infrastructure that they benefit from every day, the government did. For you folks to be slandering so early in the campaign is a sign you know you're in trouble.
There couldn't be a much better example of how Fox viewers really have no idea what is going on in reality. If you believe this drivel that is so easily disproven....you'll believe anything they say.
Shame on you Watermoon for spreading this bull ****.
Great Post watermoon.
Hey logic, get a job you mooching POS. Lions, and Tigers, and Bain oh my.
DocLogic... Obummer's statements are on video. All you have to do is watch them. Of course, MSNBC, the propaganda machine, doesn't even air them so you HAVE to go to Fox if you want to see the Nanny In Chief make those statements. And while it might be interpreted that he meant infrastructure (and he didn't SAY infrastructure; watch the video), the entire tenor of his speech was one of "you need the government to succeed; you owe them taxes for making you succeed; you need NannyGov.com to run your life." If you don't get that from his speech, you need to get your hearing checked.
Yo Watermelon...
Paul you do realize MSNBC plays the whole speech, not just the part you lemmings want to hear. That's why you'll only hear what you want to hear on Fox, not the truth. but by all means keep buying into the lies from Fox, it makes you less informed and more gullible. It's amazing you tea people want to vote for a candidate based solely on lies.
What's unbelievable is you tea people actually believe those lies.
Contempt... seriously now, you must realize that off-year elections almost always go to the party that is not in The White House. Then, during presidential elections, when the president is running for reelection, there is normally a backlash landslide in the president's favor.
President Obama will win this election, and it is very likely that both the Senate and the House will be won by Democrat majorities.
This is going to be a really really bad year for Republicans. Seriously!
Almost always?
' Then, during presidential elections, when the president is running for reelection, there is normally a backlash landslide in the president's favor.'
Wishful thinking!
The House of Reps will stay under Republican control, guaranteed. The Senate is looking to be a Republican majority as well or possible 50/50 (when you don't pass a budget for 3 years, voters do notice).
Unemployment is about to go over 9%, only one POTUS ever got re-elected with UE that high, your man Obama will possibly lose in a landslide, his stubborn ideology his downfall.
If Obama walked on water teabaggers would accuse him of not knowing how to swim. Naturally the attempt to twist everything he say's then accuse Obama of being unfair asking Romney to explain what he's done is perfectly reasonable.
Bruce I will bet you $10,000 that unemployment does not go back over 9%.
What is puzzleing is Romney has been running for office for years....and he knew he would be running for president once McCain lost.
So why isn't Romney and his campaign staff ready for issues like off-shore accounts, taxes, Bain, Romneycare, outsourcing? To say nothing of being blindsided by the response to the dog story, the bullying story, building of a car elevator, etc.
What in the heck did Romney think....just because he is wealthy people would not question him? Just because he and Anne think it is "his turn" to be president that people would not want some substance?
Really, the fact that Romney and his campaign have been so incompetent makes it very obvious he is not presidential material.
Dragon, I believe most people don't really care about Romney's finances. The only ones who do are those who believe success is a sure sign of evil. Those who read and believe the philosophy put forth in Animal Farm, perhaps, or The Communist Manifesto.
Drag on. why do you despise success? Is it because you are unemployed and you are not receiving your fair share? Mooching, envious slug.
Paul: No Repub has been able to give one valid reason why Romney won't release his tax returns....not one.
If Romney was such a great business person, was such a great success you would think he would want to show his tax returns to further validate he can manage money.
Paul and Joe: Your lame attempts at deflecting aren't working...this is going to be a topic until day of election when President Obama is re-elected.
contempt: President Obama has a good record for his first term, and he WILL be re-elected.
Romney is imploding.....and the good potential VPs are distancing themselves from him.....leaving only the clowns.
LOL!!!! Dragon says we're attempting to DEFLECT!!! Are you sh-ing me? The entire debate is whether we should elect a man who has FAILED to do anything for this country versus one who has been successful in growing multiple businesses and becoming successful himself, and we're DEFLECTING the argument? Tell me Dragon, you fount of wisdom, what, exactly, would Odumbass do for this country if he were reelected? Tell me what he has ALREADY done for this country 3.5 years into it. Has he ended the recession? (nope.) Has he cut unemployment? (no, but those who were looking have given up hope.) Has he cut the national debt? (HELL no. $5,000,000,000,000 in new debt since he took office.) Has he passed any significant legislation? (Well, yeah... One that will bankrupt future generations, and give us third-world medical care...)
DEFLECTING because we don't think it's important whether Romney has offshore accounts? How many democraps do you think are in the same boat? Who cares? It's about the country, nimrod, not about personal finances.
And you think the lies you tea people Koch republicans and Romney are telling are going to get him elected Paul? Dream on dude dream on. I give you a little credit, I think you know better.
I would have voted for George Romney. Seems like the acorn fell far from the tree.
Mitt Romney yesterday finally admitted that he pays a tax rate of about 15 percent, though he continues to put off releasing his full tax returns. However, when Mitt’s father, George Romney, ran for President in 1968, he released 12 years of tax returns, which revealed that he paid a 37 percent effective tax rate. From the Sarasota Herald-Tribune, November 25, 1967:
These numbers show Romney paying a 36.9 percent effective tax rate
Because when all is said and done, it's the economy, stupid! 3.5 years, $5,000,000,000,000 in new debt, and your hero doesn't have a clue how to get it moving. The infrastructure is crumbling, where are all the shovel-ready jobs? Do you people just believe everything Obama feeds you or are you capable of seeing between the lines, wake up, put down the koolaid and watch something beside Andrea Mitchell.
Ok, Obama and the media have decided for us what the issues are....and ordered us to observe them. They state that the issues are fairness, the war on women, that business is evil, that business people are both evil and greedy, that every third world radical is to be supported, that everything that can be socialized and taken over by government is wonderful, that the cost of anything is unimportant, that free enterprise is criminal, That unlimited debt is wonderful, that production of anything is evil and that common sense is outdated and foolish. That most white people are racist. More welfare. Raising taxes. That we must have world trade that never has an advantage or benefit for our country. They are planning more laws to support these wonderful issues. How can we possibly live without Obamas instructions to follow his wonderful issues??
Obama and the media have also decided what is not an issue....Stuff like a better economy, working towards a balanced budget, Growth of industry on any level, Individual freedom, Opportunity based on effort.
We can't J.A. we just can't.
A better economy, working towards a balanced budget, Growth of industry on any level, Individual freedom, Opportunity based on effort. And for your information J.A., the President has been working on those issues for 4 years now, while being obstructed by you tea people and the do nothing congress.
So thank you for your support of President Obama J.A. Your vote will be appreciated in November.
Well, J.A., what have the GOP given us as issues, other than abortion and homophobia?
When you consider Bill Clinton gave George W. Bush a $386 Billion Dollar Budget surplus coupled with a balanced Federal Budget and in less than 3 Years Bush pissed it all away in tax cuts for the rich and that coupled with an imbecile named Dick Cheney telling all of us....
"DEFICITS DON"T MATTER"
Why the F-uck are you all concerned now ??
The middle class got a huge tax cut if you don't think so wait until January 1st 2013 when taxes go up $2,000.00 on a family of 4 making around 60K a year.
They are the ones that are going to get F-ucked along with Obama's healthcare penatly/Tax.
The state of the economy is a subject that Obama only glosses over with rhetoric, like; it would have been worse, which no one can ever prove or disprove and the lefties go wild with joy. Then you have Obamacare, which is in the early stage of single-payer healthcare, like Canada and Great Britain, and the lefties go wild!Obama plays against a subgroup, the wealthy as a strategy, but it doesn't wash because Obama's donors include Hollywood types and Wall St.. Is Obama a puppet? or just willfully lying.
Buddy: If Romneys elected if you deduct mortgage interest or your employer provides health insurance your taxes will go up 3,000 to 5,000 a year. You really think Obama's $2 tax on tanning salons or the other trivial taxes his plan increase will be more?
Noticed most of the stories on MSNBC now NBC (microsoft had enough) is about Romney and of course negative. Where's all the wonderful stuff that has happened over the past 4 years, particularily the first two when Obama and the Dem's had control and could pass anything ( except they couldn't agree with the Pres).
The Dem's also don't agree with Obama's budget, which is simple tax the 1% forget the 49 % that aren't paying any taxes, and oh yeh don't even talk about the deficit which will eventually kill all social programs.
What is the point in having Obama care, SS or medicare if we can't pay for them, Greece anyone... or do you really beleive that can't be us?
Of coarse it will Larry Social security started out as 2 1/2 percent of ones salary now they added medicare and it's 15 1/2% today of ones income. If you believe tanning beds and other small taxes will pay for health care your crazy.
American Public: "Mr. Romney, show us your tax returns."
Mitt Romney: "All I'm going to show you is my middle finger."
Barry Soetoro, shows us your Foreign Student Scholarship (Occidental College) and College Transcripts (especially the "1st" of 2 years at Columbia University that no one recalls you being there but you manage to travel to Pakistan that same year when "Americans" had restrictions to travel there)
Mitt's tax returns are not relevant to the American voter. Romney says we don't deserve to see them.
Bain is off limits. Says Mitt.
His time as Massachusetts governor has been swept under the rug. Irrelevant says Mitt, even though they ran him out of town.
RomneyCare? No, no, says Mitt!
What credentials or experience is this politician running on? There is nothing else to judge him on.
The only documentation that is unavailable to you , had you ever bothered to look , are his Tax Returns! Nice spin though !
An overwhelmingly liberal state elected Romney as their governor. Obviously they didn't have a problem with his tax returns.
The specific years of interest are 2008 and 2009. He wasn't "officially" running for anything during that time.
German: They did not elect him to a second term.....they learned their lesson with jobs fleeing their state, which ranked 47th in job creation under Mitt.