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Subscribe to RSSUpdated at 4:28pm ET The House voted Wednesday to repeal the 2010 health care overhaul that the United States Supreme Court upheld in a ruling two weeks ago. The vote was more symbolic than substantive since the Democratic-controlled Senate will not agree to repeal the law.
The vote was 244 to 185, with five Democrats voting for repeal and no Republican voting against.
The five Democrats were: Jim Matheson of Utah, Larry Kissell and Mike McIntyre of North Carolina, Dan Boren of Oklahoma, and Mike Ross of Arkansas.
Rep. Sean Duffy, R-Wisc., explains why the GOP wants to repeal President Obama's health care law.
The nonpartisan Cook Political Report rates Kissell's race as "Lean Republican" which means he seems likely to lose his seat. Both Matheson and McIntyre are in what are rated as "toss up" races by the Cook Report. Boren and Ross are not running for re-election.
It was the second time since Republicans took control of the House in 2011 that the House has voted to repeal the law. Those votes are likely to be featured in campaign ads this fall.
The House has also voted more than 30 times to rescind specific provisions of the law.
In the wake of the Supreme Court decision on June 28, the Congressional Budget Office is re-assessing the cost of the law. The court's decision – while upholding much of the law – struck down its mandatory Medicaid expansion. The ruling means that states can refuse to go along with the expansion. This might shift some people to the taxpayer-subsidized insurance exchanges and add to the cost of the law.
Sen. Tom Harkin, D- Iowa, talks with NBC's Andrea Mitchell about the House Republicans' attempt to repeal President Barack Obama's health care law.
Sen. Tom Harkin, D- Iowa, who wrote the preventive care section of the bill and has fought Republican attempts to use funding for preventive care as offsets for the cost of extending the payroll tax cut, told NBC’s Andrea Mitchell that the House vote was “sheer political theater; it’s wasting a lot of time and it’s scaring a lot of people.”
Harkin pointed out that the GOP effort was futile since Democrats control the Senate and won’t allow the House bill to advance.
But Rep. Tim Scott, R- S.C., said during the House debate Wednesday that the Affordable Care Act would squeeze $500 billion in reduced spending out of Medicare over ten years.
“What does that mean?,” Scott asked, “ Well, to me as a grandson of a grandfather who is 92 years old, what happens when we take $500 billion out of Medicare? Well, the answer is clear: there’s a 15-member board called IPAB – Independent Payment Advisory Board – that will then recommend cuts to Medicare payments to doctors, hospitals and other providers…. My grandfather’s health may be in the hands of a 15-member autonomous board.”
In the aftermath of the Supreme Court decision, Republicans have renewed their criticism of the taxes that the law imposes.
In his decision, Chief Justice John Roberts called the central provision of the law which was being challenged in court, the requirement that most Americans purchase insurance, “in effect just a tax hike on certain taxpayers who do not have health insurance.”
He said, “The mandate is not a legal command to buy insurance. Rather, it makes going without insurance just another thing the Government taxes, like buying gasoline or earning income.”
Even as House Republicans attempt to repeal it, the law is slowly taking effect, with a new Medicare tax set to start on Jan 1. That tax will raise $20 billion in revenue in 2010 and by 2018, it will collect nearly $40 billion.
A tax of 2.3 percent on the sale of medical devices also takes effect on Jan 1. That will raise $1.8 billion in 2013 and $3.4 billion by 2019.
“Frontloaded” in the law were provisions that polling indicates to be popular with many Americans such as $43 billion over ten years in new prescription drug subsidies for seniors on Medicare Part D.
Leveraging the vote to raise campaign money, Rep. Steve Israel, D-N.Y., head of the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee told donors in an e-mail Wednesday, “Right-wing SuperPACs, big insurance companies, and the Tea Party base are all lined up to go on the attack against President Obama and Congressional Democrats for refusing to back away from health care reform. We have to respond immediately.”
He urged donors to “Stand with President Obama: Donate $3 or more to our Health Care Rapid Response Fund today.”
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GOP - what have you done to help the middle class lately? Now you want to take away something that benefits us?
Hang your little heads in shame.
Nope...they are too busy whining about the past to be able to focus on the future. Typical GOP mantra.
Politics takes precedence over the welfare of the American People AGAIN.
This is all about making Obama a "one term president"
Conservative heads continue to explode every day that the communist, socialist, educated elitist man of color sleeps in the white house.
Don't write me back and say, "No, its free enterprise that I care about." Malarkey. Obamacare is modeled after Romney care, and in fact the mandate was a conservative idea.
How far will conservatives go to remove Obama from the whitehouse? Will you destroy your own country, in order to save it from, "that man?"
Pathetic time in our country.
What a waste of time......you've voted on this over 30 times......
Get over it, you lost........
The Healthcare Law, as it stands, needs to be revised. Half this nation does not support it . This does not mean reform is not needed, only the law as written today does not benefit ALL Americans but only those who are share the views of the Democratic party. November will bring with it surprises not from the candidates voter base, but from INDs who are currently on the fence. INDs will be the force that decides the 2012 election.
Mage - It doesn't "benefit" you........it 'taxes" you and everyone else! LATELY, the GOP has been attempting to keep this huge tax from affecting you and everyone else!
If you poll Americans on the individual parts of the law, they support it overwhelmingly.
Republicans just scared the "piss" out of people that this law would form "death panels", they would lose their doctors, their care would be rationed, and ......... (add more lies).
You guys are just funny. so worried about what the Republicans are doing on the right hand that you have completely ignored the damage the left hand has done. The nicest thing I can say about Obama is that he is one hell of a mesmerizing magician at least for a portion of the population who has forgotten what America is about or who have just decided to roll over and take the crumbs the DNC will throw. It is sad that so much of our population has forgotten what it is to think and work for themselves.
But Eric...in the house they keep voting the measure out....what is the Majority leader of the Senate worried about....shouldn't he put it to a vote and end the stalemate or at least give Obama the ability to VETO the public will.
Google GDP chart and jobless claims chart.
Then tell me that Obama has caused "damage".
He made sure that the economy has grown each and every quarter.
The damage comes from the right that cut taxes and went to war twice with the mantra "deficits don't matter".
The Republican lie that Obamacare increases taxes has been defunct.
It increases taxes on the wealthy but not the middle class.
Go to politifact.com or factcheck.org.
Are you speaking to people who can afford health care but choose not to purchase it? ...and I know you can't really mean "everyone else". And if you do...don't just throw that crap out there like Republicans always do...explain it!
You do realize that a large portion of the people polled that say they do not support it are doing so because they don't think it goes far enough, right?
Which makes the percentage that don't support it and that want it repealed is far less than half of America.
Sorry to disappoint you, but those are the facts.
txmom32 - Incredible! You are actually accusing Democrats of throwing the public "crumbs"? Just look at who the Republicans are offering up as the next President of the United States. I rest my case.
The middle class are the only ones that pay the price for government, if the taxes was raised on the wealthy they would raise the price of whatever they have that made them wealthy. The poor get most of there money from handouts so the only middle class foot the bill. We need to stop the spending.
Really, YOu are a freakin idiot!!! Of course it increases taxes!! Duh, Even if it were not a sleezy bill and really helped people, we simpley can not afford it. I love the way people just make up fact on here to support this corrupt president!! This president has been caught in Lie after Lie, but you you partisan idiots will keep supporting him. Its just crazy!!!
Who wants to pay the salaries of 3,000-12,000 more IRS agents? There's got to be a better way.
Just more time WASTED by the Rep's..... I got an idea lets Vote all of them OUT.....
Oh seriously, this was a huge waste of time and money once again! Ez, good try spinning things. Ol_Doc is right. Personal responsibility is the mantra unless it comes to something they don't want, and then it suddenly is evil. Former is right, too. A large portion of people wanted more and that is why they said they were against it. Preach your fake taxes and your death panels that we already have and have had way before this bill was passed. And tx, you are spouting the same old tired refrain that so many people are sitting around just waiting to get handouts. Maybe the people around you are, but what I see is a middle and lower economic class struggle to make it, and you can spin all you want, but the reality is many, many people are struggling, and Mr. Obama isn't causing that.
They don't want this to stay around because the longer the law is in force the more people will like it. It is a law now...needs tweaking and improving, but repealing it is silly and the vote was just to pacify the base.
Realdope- Really, You are a freakin idiot!!!Please explain how it increases taxes to us (unless of course you are one of those scumbags that chooses not to buy insurance and expects the taxpayers to pick up their tab when they have to go to the hospital. Sound familiar?
Old doc....You rest your case because the Republicans have a successful business leader and a State Governor as their candidate.....seems to be a much better option than Obama who has lived his life with his hand out grubbing for money. People are suffering economically in most states and the President, who has turn his back on the the good of the country, is once again standing in front of the poor and disinfranchised with his hand out to those who can't even feed their families. I suppose you might have something...he isn't throwing crumbs to the poor he is actually trying to get the poor to donate what they don't have.
I would like to thank the tea baggie faggies for developing John “Bozo” Boner and Eric “bendover” Cantor and the GOP dog and pony show, which has reduced the public approval rating of Congress to 9%, and is helping to assure the re-election of President Obama. LOL!!
ezduhzit
BUT where is the GOP alternative? After all, a good portion of what's IN the ACA is straight from the GOP playbook back in the 90s. They've had 20 years to come up with a plan. Instead, they sit on their arses and take insurance company lobby money NOT to reform.
WHERE IS THE GOP'S ATLERNATIVE after all this time?
OK I get it you like Obamacare. You don't know what is in it but you like it. Then enforce the law as written. Enforce the law as passed by Congress. And enforce the law as signed by the President. Especially enforce section 1303 section 3 and section 3b1 of the PPACA. If you do that we have no problem. If however you insist on getting by HHS mandate what you did not get by legislation we do. The HHS mandate is in direct conflict with this section of the bill. Section1303 sec 3 of PPACA PROVIDER CONSCIENCE PROTECTIONS No individual, healthcare provider or healtcare facility may be discriminated against because of a willingness or UNWILLINGNESS, if doing so is contrary to the religious or moral beliefs of the provider or facility, to provide, pay for, provide coverage for or refer for abortions. Section 1303 sec 3b1 NO PREEMPTION OF STATE LAWS REGARDING ABORTIONS Nothing in this act shall be construed to preempt in state laws the prohibition. Abide by the law the President signed.
@FlaNative. Maybe not taxes but it will increase some medical costs. Medical devices are going to be taxed at a higher rate which of course will be indirectly or directly passed on to us. Also, preventive care , kids on the plan, etc. is certainly not free. When the estimated 170000pages of regs are produced, heaven knows what that will mean.
Then revise the damn thing instead of trying to repeal. I'd say let's just go with a single payer system and be done with all this nonsense..
At a $174K a year for each member of congress, we would actually be better off pissing the $91.3mil that we pay these @!$%#s down a @!$%#hole.
Hey, Mr Boehner, where are the jobs?
This is pretty simple...
The left believe in a healthy middle class...
The right believe in corperate profits and having thier pockets lined with as much special intrest money as possible.
Obama / Biden 2012!!
txmom32,
In your post 1.8, I know you were trying to make a point, but I truly didn't get it. Would you please elaborate on what message you were trying to get across? My question is sincere, and in no way an attempt to be disrespectful. Thank you..
Where are the jobs, Boehner?
Where are the jobs, Boehner?
Where are the jobs, Boehner?
Your only bills are about abortion, voter suppression, and keeping 40,000,000 people without health insurance.
Heck of a job, Party of No.
The comments above show again and again how effective the government run education system in this Nation is.
Every one of these supporters of fascism, socialism and the destruction of America have been successfully passed through the indoctrination of the socialist regime and it’s so called PUBLIC EDUCATION.
Not one whit of learning of value, or even about values, history, courage and defense of liberties is taught these days and has not been taught for 30 years. Thus a full-fledged crop of non-thinkers, most notably lacking in the understanding of patriotism, free speech and the pursuit of liberty now claims title to our nonexistent liberty.
So the socialists have been working while the constitutionalist’s have been snoozing.
It is pitch fork diplomacy time folks.
And it is time to evict the humbug from the Oval Office this November.
Ok, let's see, a successful business leader. How exactly did he make money? Oh yes, by buying up businesses, leveraging their assets for loans, allowing them to go bankrupt (freeing up the loans as profit), laying off the employees and sticking the US Tax Payers with the bill for their pensions. And then sending his money to Swiss banks and Cayman accounts to avoid US Taxes.
Governor and job creator - When he became governor his state was ranked 37th in the nation in job creation. At the end of his term, it was ranked 47th.He also decided to veto a bill in 2004 that would have barred state contractors from outsourcing work allowed millions of dollars to flow to companies to run call centers in India.
Not much to hang your hat on partner!
Another worthless vote by a collection of worthless Republicans in the House.
I doubt very much if any law yet written in the history of mankind has benefitted everyone. Health care reform might not benefit you personally, but it benefits someone in your family, someone in your neighborhood, someone you know, and this country needed it desperately. Conservatives should grow up and get past thinking our government will provide some sort of perfection to anyone, ever, on any issue.
LuLu,
You say preventative care is not free. I agree it's not. But, are you aware that insurers are happy to pay for it because it lowers their costs in the long run? The sooner you treat something, the less affects it has later? They'd rather prevent something from developing by using preventative care? It makes sense to me..
While the vote will end up being purely symbolic, as Harry Reid doesn't have the guts to bring this to the senate, where I might add, it would get repealed as well. What it does do is give the republicans a measure of credibility with the majority of Americans who know we can do so much better than the hot steaming pile known as Obamacare. Democrats yell and scream, pointing to polls that show Americans are all in love with Obamacare now. In response to that, I want to know what demographic was polled. For example the latest battle ground poll shows Obama and Romney neck and neck, based on a demographic that polled 9% more democrats than republicans. Thats got to get Obama's sphincter to pucker more than just a little bit. Back to the issue at hand, as Americans learn more about this God awful law, the more they will hate it. By the way, did you know Obamacare will tax the sale of your home by 3.5%? I didn't till yesterday, now you do too.
txmom32,
how do you feel about Mitt's business venture with Stericycle? I imagine you are one of those christians against pro choice options. How does it sit with you that your candidate owns a company that provides services for companies that perform abortions? I have to wonder about the convictions of the Evangelicals: is voting for Romney more important than adhering to their own anti-abortion/Christian values?
Illinios has a 15 billion dollar medicare liabilty this year, they cut 1.5 billion off of that. So our genius president will pay (ie the middle class), the first couple of years with federal money. After that the democrat states that agree with the extension of medicare will be on the hook for more and more money every year. HMMM were will they get that money? Obama the biggest tax increase in US history. CONGRATULATIONS!
elliot-3020456 -
OK, I'll be happy to. On the agenda for today was a a small business jobs bill, you know a little thing, not nearly as important as the Republican's grandstanding. I suspect Harry Reid and the other Democratic Senators didn't want any part of the same crap the Republican controlled house did today, you know, voting to repeal the same law for the 31st time in two years to feed their base red meat. Now we know that the Republicans ran on job creation in 2010 and so far, that's pretty much the only subject they have avoided. Abortion, Birth Control, Gay Marriage, ect...but no jobs.
Thing of it is, if the Republicans even managed to repeal it. You'll never hear them talk about healthcare reform again. They don't want any and this will set us back to the past. This bill isn't perfect, but it's a start.
Josh Brogan
Sorry to break it to you but the real threat to our education system is actually the republicans and tea party
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/23/tea-party-tennessee-textbooks-slavery_n_1224157.html?utm_hp_ref=fb&src=sp&comm_ref=false#sb=1494009,b=facebook
"Who wants to pay the salaries of 3,000-12,000 more IRS agents?"
Oh, not that lame falsehood again! http://www.factcheck.org/2010/03/irs-expansion/
"In a shocking repudiation of President Obama’s “soak the rich” economic plans, Senate Democrats today blocked a vote on President Obama’s proposal to raise taxes on those earning more than $250,000 per year."
No, not exactly. If you read something other than Breitbart, you might figure out the motivation here. There was no 'repudiation,' but they were scheduled to work on a small-business jobs bill when the Republicans tried to force avote on this instead.
Found here: http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/237217-reid-rejects-gop-request-to-vote-on-obamas-tax-plan
OL-Croc, The Republican House has passed quite a few bills to stimulate jobs growth.
If you will go to the U.S. Senate and physically lift up Harry Reid's BUTT .... you will find those jobs bills there ! Of course, Harry might fight you on this .... he promised the Bamster that he would do everything in his power to stop and OBSTRUCT any and all Republican efforts.
So run along now. You might need a forklift to raise Ol Harry up..... and ther might be BUTT-PRINTS all over those bills, but you need to check it out for yourself. They might be a little discolored as Harry has some health issues ..... you know, sometimes his "Depends" get full !
Honestly if there were some way we could vote the Republicans out of the house I would certainly be the first at the voting poll. These are thee most whinny, crying, never satisfied group of politicians I have ever seen. Always complaining, always voting something out (because the idea wasn't there's) but never able to give any constructive idea about what it will be replaced with. What negative group of people they all are. So I guess we are all suppose to be on board with the lying Romney guy. Not a chance, this man wreaks with lies. OBAMA/BIDEN..2013
Try to keep up, that lie was debunked over a year ago. I know FOX must have updated their propaganda since then.
jim-1455434 - Horsecrap jimbo! Ending environmental protection, tax breaks for the wealthy, freeing wall street to continue raping us, insuring the banks are always too big to fail, and laying down a Canadian pipeline that directly feeds the world market and employes mostly Canadians does NOT create jobs. Nice try though.
Time for a little wake up call guys. I can understand if a policy is in Place and it's failing, that you would want to repeal it. how about we just sit quiet,, let the policy take effect, then see if it does or does not work, then deal accordingly, just an idea
Second, the fed today said "it's not ready to purchase bonds yet that will stimulate the economy" why are they not ready? whats the hold up? maybe there is a good reason but your not telling us. So go fight about a health care bill that none of us have read and overlook the truth when the fed reserve tells the truth. Why are we not asking the important questions? why isn't the news media , left or right, NOT asking the important questions?
let me say again. the fed reserve admits that more bond purchase will stimulate the economy and tells us they are not ready? YOU SHOULD ALL BE SCREAMING ABOUT THAT, NOT OBAMA CARE.
The vote was more symbolic than substantive
They do not want to loose the reputation of the Party that is always against the people, and always on the side of the profits, not matter who gets in the way.
Josh,
You are an elitist, smug pompous ass!
Voted to repeal ObamaCare 31 times?
Anybody got that "definition of insanity" handy anywhere?
The five Democrats were: Jim Matheson of Utah, Larry Kissell and Mike McIntyre of North Carolina, Dan Boren of Oklahoma, and Mike Ross of Arkansas.
Gee. Some of the healthiest state in our nation. No wonder they don't need Obamacare!
Yeah, because the democrats got so much accomplished when they were in complete control for two years...well, they did spend money on creating jobs, but to bad that they were being produced over seas...The Outsourcer and Chief...
I know, It's the same thing as reelecting Obama!
And our DO NOTHING house of reps proves again they are dumba$$es.
Erik...
and those questions asked would relate to the taxes assessed, shifting of funds away from medicare or just the so called "free" services offered? All this vote shows is that there is a concern on just how badly this law was written in such a short space of time with little analysis as to its long term impact. Since obama has said it needs to be revisited to correct its flaws will his party now introduce legislation to correct those flaws or just expect the republicans to hunt and peck obamacare trying to find them?
The thing is, nothing is ever free and any attempt at something being affordable rarely is when the government says that it will subsidize the plan to make it so.
Obamacare is just another attempt by government to just use a fancy bandaid to fix something, along the order of "no child left behind" or "race to the top".
For the first time in a decade or more, when my family renews our health insurance cone Aug 1st, our premiums are going down 3% due to the 80/20 rule in the ACA.
Thank god we have started down the right path to reducing health care costs and giving everyone a chance to get affordable health care
Josh Brogan
Followed by...
So you complain about the "education" in this country, then immediately turn around and call those on the left BOTH fascists and socialists. Really?
Did you really just make that accusation, after complaining about education? They are fascist AND socialist? REALLY?
Ladies and gentlemen. This is yet another example of Republican intelligence. Let's all give this man a round of applause... he is truly a scholar among men.
maga:
Hang your head in shame that you need to be dependent on others to take care of what is your responsibility!
I'm ashamed of our Socialist President that he doesn't give a crap about what the majority of the citizens of our country wants. The majority do not agree with the mandate or the law as it stands. But he thinks he's king, and he can dictate our lives. He better enjoy his kingdom, because he's moving back to his sh**-hole neighborhood come January!
Ol Doc
If you don't know what you're talking about, perhaps you should do a little more research.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/4-pinocchios-for-obamas-newest-anti-romney-ad
I personally strongly believe that it will be a good day for America when the Bush tax rates are repealed and if us bottom-feeder $250K or less crowd has to pay a little more to ensure that our top earners also have to pay their fair share, than so be it!!!
Say, how much more of our tax money did the Republicants waste today on another meaningless and fruitless exercise designed to benefit only the rich? My guess is that one result of today's stupidity in the House will be that Conservative members of the House will lose even more of the support of anyone below a certain level of income than they have already lost. Just imagine if the House were to go Democrat in 2012? How many jobs did you Rethugs create today? (Remember that the entire Republicant platform in the 2010 elections was a job-creation platform)??? Are you guys proud of our nearly 15% U-6 unemployment rate, that you did nothing during the last 18 months to try to resolve in a manner that had half a chance of passing the Senate too?
Might I note one other thing: Posted by MSNBC:
Even as House Republicans attempt to repeal it, the law is slowly taking effect, with a new Medicare tax set to start on Jan 1. That tax will raise $20 billion in revenue in 2010 and by 2018, it will collect nearly $40 billion.
Me thinks that there is some problem with the math involved here! If the tax starts in January of 2013 and it is an annual tax increase, by January of 2018, five entire years, it will collect $100 Billion plus any interest too!
And THIS is exactly why the GOP will lose in November.
Starting in August... well actually, some have already started... the 80/20 rule goes into effect. Citizens will start to receive their rebate checks (some already have). Insurance premiums will drop (some already have). And people across the country will realize that Republicans and Fox News have LIED to them.
Money talks, bull-s*** walks... when people start seeing the positive effect on their own wallet, no amount of Fox News LIES will change their mind.
4 southern democrats (and 1 Morman dem) voted with the Republicans. Gee, and I thought the Dixiecrats were all gone by the 1980's.
Where do we sign up to repeal the paychecks for the GOP in the house? They aren't working for our money, so why are we still paying them? Anyone?
Who wrote the following:
“ensure that all Americans would have affordable, quality, private health coverage, while protecting current government programs. We believe the health care system cannot be fixed without providing solutions for everyone. Otherwise, the costs of those without insurance will continue to be shifted to those who do have coverage.”
NOTE not ACESS to healthcare, but to actually have private healthcare coverage.
who wrote that and to whom was he writing?
Come on Republicans, it must have been some Commie Lb Socialist who wrote that right?
Nope
It was Jim DeMint to G Bush in 2007
Yes Jim DeMint the most conservative senator out there wanted health insurance for all. that Universal coverage was the only solution.
Funny he was for that so strongly that he supported Mitt Romney in 2008 and cited his universal health coverage as a primary reason for doing so.
BUt now he is against it.
HYPOCRITE
The cost of Obamacare is estimated to be an additional TWO TRILLION DOLLARS in its first ten Years,Money We do not have now and will not have then, and how many Government Programs have You ever seen come in on budget? With this wonderful piece of......legislation, Thirty Million People will be added to an already stressed Health Care System, a recent survey of Physicians has shown that 83% plan to, or have at least considered,leaving the field,so the Republicans are trying to give the Dems one more chance to correct a horrible mistake, but as H L Mencken stated,"Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want and deserve to get it good and hard."
Perhaps Mr Scott would rather his 92 y/o grandfather to continue to enjoy his government mandated not-for-profit affordable Medicare plan, while other folks that do not have access to this well run not- for- profit healthcare plan die from lack of affordable healthcare?
Those people without access to affordable healthcare/not-for-profit Medicare... are they not important too?
Wouldn't one want to have these other uninsured folks - immaterial of age and circumstance -, to have access to affordable healthcare and ongoing follow up care thus living a healthier life, and who then may even live a longer and more productive life, working and paying into the Social Security coffers- which also covers Medicare- too, to the betterment of not only the newly insured persons, but to that aged retiree by making these programs more financially sound/solvent for the next generations to come?
So why this fit of selfishness by these T'Repubdino polititians with their taxpayers subsidized healthcare plans, and by some of these retirees who have affordable healthcare coverage by the not-for- profit govt mandated program, Medicare? Do they think they have more right to affordable healthcare or subsedized healthcare than say someone younger, or others who may not be as affluent etc as themselves?
One thing for sure is therefore, that these RepubliConservaTeaDinos in Congress, voting to repeal the ACA, should not be covered by or be able to have any access to any govt sponsored taxpayer subsidized healthcare plan that is available to them only now, until the masses - who are subsidizing said healthcare coverage for these folks in Congress- also have access to and coverage under a similar healthcare plan imo. That is only fair.
Peace.......
If people think there won't be "death panels", they are kidding themselves. If something catastrophic happens to you after hitting 65, no way will the government pay for it. Oh, they may keep you comfortable with meds, but that's about it. No way will you get the care of a 30 or 40 year old. You just won't be worth the investment. Just ask a medicaid patient about the healthcare they get - lol.
And now that they will be robbing Medicare, more and more doctor's won't be taking it, so care for the elderly will be even worse. There are doctor's now that won't take Medicare. And they don't owe it to you to do it for free, or for the crappy reimbursement rates the government will give them.
So stay healthy, unless you're rich, then cash is king!
WOW, it sure seems that all the demos can do is be rude and abnoxious towards other comments and actions. All you guys do is quote someone and then reply with some immature, flat out descriminating and ignorant comments. I've never seen so much out right rubbish, this sounds like a high school forum, to the point of slander and harrassment.
This seems to be the pattern, sit back and wait for something to happen, then spout out some childish verbal defecation.
To all those who keep repeating your defense of "this will lower health care costs" or "this will not add any taxes", are you really that blind and ignoramous ?
some are even claiming that their health care costs have reduced already, REALLY ? HOW CAN THAT BE POSSIBLE ? now you are just making up crap to defend your false claims. THIS HAS NOT GONE INTO AFFECT YET, HELLO !!!
but go ahead and make up lies, be deceitful, you are learning...
the only way this could be true is if you are already soaking up other's tax dollars.
the only people this will not put a tax or financial burden on will be those who can't afford health care, ok so what does that mean ? that we should all just quit working and soak up some benefits ?
look at other socialist countries, other areas where they practice socialized medicine in some form or fashion, and talk with those citizens and ask them how they like thier health care system. I think that you will be very surprised.
All of you will be very surprised in a few years when everything you thought and believed in regarding this will not be what you expected, and you and everyone else will be worse off.
kids will get out of school and realize that "why should I work, if I don't and I have low income, everything will be provided for me". you think I am making this up and you think it sounds stupid, but it is happening in other places around the world. People realize that they can have a better life, and enjoy life more if they sit back and soak it all up, and let the people who work for a living pay for their lifestyle. There goes the unemployment rate, and taxes climb because not enough people are paying the taxes to support the system.
one day you will all see, but I doubt whether you will realize.
blind leading the blind
why has every civilization on the planet gone up in smoke ????
eventually...
QUESTION: How do you spell 'poor losers'? ANSWER: R E P U B L I C A N S!
FireBlade
First, read through the comments on this board from Republicans. They are filled with nothing but hateful insults, immature, rude, and ignorant comments. Perhaps you would like to go over to a Fox News forum and document the language, behavior, and comments directed at liberals. Maybe you would prefer a link to the Republican debates, where they chanted "let him die"... or the one where they mocked and "boo'ed" a soldier fighting for our freedoms. You can go over the posts from common Republicans on here like Spanky or Spider, and read their insults.
But let's be honest, you won't do any of that. In fact, you know all too well that Republicans are just as vile, rude, hateful, offensive, and ignorant as any liberal... usually more so.
And even though you are well aware of this, you find yourself in an awkward position. You are Republican, and you have the desire to feel better than liberals... you probably believe you are. So you ignore the hate from your own party, you ignore the insults, the vulgar language, the vile behavior, the immoral shouts... you ignore it all, hoping that no one will call you out on your hypocrisy.
Unfortunately, I am here to call you out. I am here to point out, with specific examples and video proof, just how vile and evil the Republican party can be. I am here to point out your hate, and the hate of the party. I am here to show everyone here that YOU are a hypocrite.
Now you will naturally ignore this, as you ignore the truth of your own party. You will tell yourself that Republicans are "better", despite all factual evidence that proves otherwise. You will continue to live in your state of denial... and people like me will continue to laugh at your obvious ignorance towards the reality of your own party.
If I may quote you... "one day you will see, but I doubt whether you will realize."
geo, starting in 2014 us gov. will pay 100% of medicaide for 2014,2015. After that the states will pay 10% instead of 50% they pay now,that sound's to me they would be paying less.
Why can't we (the American people) hire a lawyer and sue these mother forkers for at least not doing their job !! and for sure for holding up the fixing of the real problems in this country !!Up against the wall m-----f------ !!
"Unfortunately, I am here to call you out. I am here to point out, with specific examples and video proof, just how vile and evil the Republican party can be. I am here to point out your hate, and the hate of the party. I am here to show everyone here that YOU are a hypocrite."
Given your point, you're certainly spewing a lot of vitriol and hatred yourself. So who's the hypocrite?
Well, everyone seems to see this different. I personally see this as a HUGE MISTAKE. Just my opinion, I know you all want to believe the goverment is doing something good for us. Bottom line, they fall short on their promises. Hell, lately they can't even abid by the law themselfs. Hindsight is 20/20, wish you all had it.
Hopeful American # 1.78 says,
That sounds like the perfect discription of what repealing the ACA would be.
The reference in above post should have been for
Hopeful American at #1.68, not 1.78
Okay, since when is asking the wealthy to pay an extra 3.6% on their income class warfare??? It isn't. Dwight D. Eisenhower had a top tax rate of 91%, and I don't recall anybody calling him a socialist. I am guessing that the Democrats are afraid that the Republicans will take the damn vote out of context; or they could be avoiding another filibuster.
Yet it has been proven that government spending (during a recession) is far more effective than tax cuts at stimulating the economy. Finally, using a conservative website doesn't help promoting your argument.
Pray tell, what is this survey that foretells gloom and doom for the physician industry??? Secondly, you do realize that the CBO states that the ACA will REDUCE the deficit (therefore being paid for entirely) by roughly $200 billion??? And finally, all the Republicans are trying to do is to deny the president an achievement because that would actually be good for him politically.
OBAMA BIDEN 2012
Brad Cantor
txmom32,
My point was that the folks that had posted before me are laughable because they eat up the rhetoric that is being disseminated by the left and do no research on their own. If they were to actually read what the Republican plans are they would find that appropriate fixes to the medical system were more in line with what we need to repair our system without a complete makeover and pain to further generations. But the first thing they have to do is repeal Obama Care. Once the damaging legislation is repealed in totality then they can re-write the legislation to include effective measures that affect medical consumers. The fact of the matter is that Pelosi was right that no one read the bill before they passed it and in retrospect it is incredibly damaging to out social structure.
As for listening to the Republicans, they have stood firm on not adding to the Federal budget and that any new programs must be paid for. We have had quite enough of having what should have been trust funds, SS turned into slush funds. We can no longer live beyond our means. The mantra to tax the rich sounds very nice but honestly the more any Government taxes the more money that will be removed from the economy through business and investment. People will do more of what we have seen and that is buy Gold or other forms of wealth that will just sit and not benefit the economy. The more those who hold the wealth through business venture are taxed the more those taxes will be rolled into the cost of commodities and goods or worse companies will tighten their belts and layoff workers or bypass increases in pay and benefits. That effort will decrease what is spent in the market place and also ration things like medical care, through reduced company provided health care, especially with the shortage of medical professionals we have in our country.
So while the liberals are so afraid of the right hand they are neglecting to see the left hand write checks that we cannot afford to have cashed. We have seen the effects of promising everything and ultimately providing economic pain as evidenced by the common occurrence of Major and Minor cities around the country not being able to pay the bills because Employees wanted and were promised through Union negations and contracts benefits and packages that municipalities could not afford. Then to further the pain many of these municipalities over paid public servants to the same standard as for profit businesses.
The President has also offered pain instead of progress. Instead of trusting the Congressional branch to implement the will of the people he has overstepped his authority and responsibility with the Executive orders that he has enacted...stating who is and who is not appropriate to deport....as an example of stupid...he has now determined that there are protected classes of illegal immigrants...so how do we support this protected class...his suggestion is to allow them to work when jobs are already scarce for many citizens in this country. The jobs that these students will be taking will be the same jobs that our current student citizens need to have in order to pay their bills. Once they are protected they will also be eligible for certain government services...how are "we the people" going to pay those bills. How are our native children going to afford their educations if they are pushed to the back of the line for jobs? They need those jobs to keep up with the inflated cost of a University degree....This President keeps flirting with the idea that student loans can be forgiven, which is just a fantasy that will suffer more debt on the educated in the future....they will still end up paying for those loans but in the form of excessive taxes. What he is peddling is snake oil and the only way to see what is going on is to read from both sides of the aisle and well the point was the left will not do that instead they will look for a class war that will kill the middle class and the ever increasing pool of low income will become dependent on the casts offs from the Government to pacify them while the the rich will stay rich and the poor will not have a middle income life within their grasp.
If the general centrists in the DNC would just look at who holds the President in their pockets then they need to start asking who is really intended to succeed in this current crisis. Those in the Tech industry...Microsoft the Gates Family...Facebook, Chris Hughes...Those in the banking industry...Chase and Jami Diamond...Past execs from Fannie, Jim Johnson, Franklin Rains...Entertainment industry....Pixar, Disney, MSNBC....These companies and people heading them up control tremendous amounts of wealth and they depend on the Federal Government for massive tax breaks, legislation and in some cases bailouts. Sadly the left will not look beyond the rhetoric and actually read the legislation and earmarks that the liberal Government is trying to pass. That the President is willing to enact as any despot does. This President is heading in the direction to eliminate "We the People" and toward "Because I said so."
TO: ctdad who wrote:
Republicans NEVER get tired of just repeating whatever they hear other Republicans say, with no substance to support their empty rhetoric. Just making a statement out of the blue, nothing thought provoking.
WHY does it need to be "revised" and HOW?
If you don't know the answer to those 2 questions, you're not doing anything but reciting Republican Talking Points that have already been overruled by the majority of the American People, and the majority in the United States Supreme Court!
Obama/Biden 2012
It is incredible just how so many on this thread have zero concept of what Obamacare really is. Better yet, those who support it apparently could care less how much it will cost, (guess "someone else" will be paying their share.)
Why people really don't like Obamacare
1. The "assumptions" made in the bill are only that "assumptions."
2. There will never be enough money to fund it.
3. The number of Americans who will lose their insurance over this.
4. The number of Americans who will die over this because they will lose their care, or will have their access to care greatly reduced.
5. Another attack against our freedoms guaranteed in the Constitution.
6. It doesn't address the real problems with Health Care in America. In fact, it makes it worse.
Overall, the Republicans are the only ones listening to the American Public. Can't say that for the Democrats, they are only looking for votes and a way to insure they will always have a cushy govt. job.
But I will say one thing about the thread......The Senate actually VOTED on something?!?!?!?!?!! How did they ever get anything out from under obstructionist Harry Reid's Butt?!?!?!? You know, he is the one doing Obama's bidding, keeping all the Bills the House has sent to them from being put out for vote. I wonder how Harry sleeps at night, or can he sleep because he is so brainwashed he can't accept the truth of how the policies he supported have hurt the country?
And to the yo yos who keep saying the House has voted to repeal Obamacare 31 times. Get it right, this is only vote #2. The other votes were directed at specific parts of the bill, not the bill as a whole.
But you Liberals keep spreading your propaganda, the rest of us will stick to reality.
the Senate has yet to vote for a budget
TOO MANY COLLAPSED POSTS!!! Seriously.
One bit of news conveniently left out by MSDNC... 83% of doctors say they're considering quitting bacause of Obamacare... all it would take to get this abomination recinded is for all doctors to go on strike.... I'll bet Harry the Roadblock would bring it up for debate then.... Socialism depends on the makers to keep making so that the takers have something to steal... that's the dirty secret they don't want you to realize... when the makers stop working.... well, then the takers our s*** out of luck...
American Girl....
It needs to be revised because it is not a sustainable system as SS is not a sustainable system. The hidden taxes in the system alone will prohibit many from actually using the insurance they are forced to purchase. Hidden taxes like excise tax for medical devices....Sure 2+% may not be a big deal for the average family but what about the low income family that needs to put braces on their kid or who go through glasses. What about the individuals who need expensive prosthetics like injured soldiers...how about the needs of the elderly 2+% user tax on expensive hearing aids could be the difference between purchasing medicine or paying the government their user tax.
Now they will raise the personal medical tax deduction to over $10,000 out of pocket which will negatively impact the middle class at least those who face some extraordinary health issue in one calendar year. Now if they happen to get ill in November...reach that golden number of $10,000 they get to start all over fresh, taxable again till they reach the next $10,000....How do you think that will affect a single parent income if a child falls ill?
Here is another good one...many employee plans offer HSA's or flex spending accounts to pay for medications. Using pre-tax dollars placed in what would be an escrow type account....Obamacare has attacked these accounts. In essence creating a new tax on the purchase of over the counter medicines. In effect the Fed will no longer give the user a tax break for dollars spent on over the counter meds they will reach further into our pockets and increase their own take. The only over the counter that is exempt is insulin..I never thought of insulin as over the counter. Obama care also attacks other aspects of HSA increasing early withdrawal from 10% to 20% if the funds are needed for non-medical reasons. So loose your job, run through your savings and well good old Uncle Obama has his hand our for 20% if you withdraw that money to pay your mortgage.
Obama care eliminates the dedication for employers offering retirees RX drug programs that work to supliment medications...yes once again we are seeking to further burden the elderly who were offered this in a retirement package to offset the cost of medications in their most vulnerable years....bravo Liberals attack our old folks.
Let's not forget the 40% user tax for individuals who have full coverage appropriate health care plans offered by their employers, also called platinum plans. The Liberals in Congress and the moron in Chief feel it is reasonable to tax all individuals who have this type of insurance. So what do we say to the single mom of two kids who may be in an entry level post trying to build a career and offer her children something that is the best, but to have it she has to pay 40% of the cost...sorry you have to suck it up and pay 40% of 14,000 on top of her percentage for insuring dependents. Where is the incentive for individuals and why would a company do that to their employees who can't afford to carry the insurance? So why would the Federal Government and the Liberal public wish to heap hardship on people who are doing their best to work for a living and provide for their families with dignity.
Then there is the whole penalty tax imposed on individuals who do not wish to purchase health insurance. Which is an absurd thing to do to people who should be able to make an intelligent, personal decision. Believe it or not...not everyone cares to support the insurance industry.
So instead of developing a plan that would benefit individuals and actually be meaningful for the "general population"....No penalty or decline for a pre-existing condition. No life time maximums, portable insurance plans with lower out of pocket than our current COBRA system, perhaps these plans were only catastrophic illness or low premium high deductible plans with no limit to length of coverage to see people through one job to the next.
What about sound legislation for medicaid and a clear source of funding of medicaid without touching the trust fund (slush fund) for medicare. Some of our most vulnerable are our elderly it is offensive that funds we put away for that stage in life is also supporting medicaid. What about stopping the fraud in our current entitlement system...far too many users and providers cheat the system with little to no penalty for their theft. It is time our laws have teeth and those who cheat the system are baned from it for life.
So American Girl...I answered why and how...Based on my personal knowledge of this plan. Based on the B*&T F*&(ing the liberals wish to impose on the general working American family that we have to read it to know what is in it mentality...well it has now been read and analyzed and the American people woke up and say we don't want this. Fortunately, we do have some voice left in Government and are backing those who wish to take a stand 100%.
Personally, I am not afraid of the Liberal elite nor am I afraid of the lazy liberal take care of me class....I have had enough of you sticking your hand in my pocket taking away from my kids when we work very hard to provide for those we are directly responsible for. I am glad when my Representatives vote to slap the hands of the greedy, hand out, money grubbing liberals....I am certainly ready for November when we can say good-by to the exercise in futility Obamacare and the Panhandler in Chief.
funny how Obamacare estimates went from 1 trillion to over 3 trillion dollars in since its passage.
"a recent survey of Physicians has shown that 83% plan to, or have at least considered,leaving the field"
Except it was a 'survey' from a group with membership in the National Tea Party Federation, had a response rate of 4%, and actually does not ask a single question mentioning PPACA. And, fyi, many physicians regularly consider leaving the field. See here for results of a physician survey from 2008: http://articles.cnn.com/2008-11-17/health/primary.care.doctors.study_1_primary-care-medicare-patients-medicaid-patients?_s=PM:HEALTH
"funny how Obamacare estimates went from 1 trillion to over 3 trillion dollars in since its passage"
Uh, no. It's gone down to $1.1T over 10 years. See here: http://cbo.gov/publication/43080
cal20..
yea well not so funny...considering all they would have had to do was read the bill before they passed it into a law to realize that it would be three times the lie in the first place.
Realhope, FlaNative55, skyparrot, you're each suspended for a day for violating #1 of the Code of Honor.
Knee Jerk Conservative Outrage banned, rereg of Seal Team Six got OWNED.
1.26 deleted, elliot-3020456 copypasting a Ben Shapiro piece in its entirety.
FedUp, I checked that I agreed with your missive by mistake. Let's face facts here, if 83% of these doctors decide to retire then good for them. Perhaps it is indeed time for them to go quietly into the night, as it seems that they have forgotten their Oath.
There are no doubt ample amounts of doctors waiting in the wings to take their place imo. We can simply insource doctors from overseas then. By the way insourcing doctors and nurses from overseas is nothing new. It is oftentimes how some small communities area able to get the doctors they need.
As it is now and for a very long time, many people who did not have coverage through an employer group plan and are in need of for e.g. surgical care, are/were unable to afford same as they do not have health Insurance coverage, and because they already have/had pre-existing conditions they could not get coverage from the private for-profit health insurance companies here, and if they could get coverage it would not be anything that they could afford or be able to afford. So these folks have to pay the full (high) cost of care/treatment in the USA out of their own pocket, and not at the discounted rate that insurance companies broker with these doctors/hospitals etc in their PPO plans.
Many of these folks in need of care participate in Medical Tourism to India and South America and to some countries in (Eastern) Europe amoung other places, because the cost of travel, pre- during- and after care as well as the proceedure proformed or medical care given - all inclusive - is less costly than these medical tourists would have had to pay for similar care/treatment in the USA. Perhaps we can get some of these doctors from these countries to relocate to the USA to replace those 83% of doctors here now who want to stop caring for patients because they feel they will not be paid enough money for their services.
On the other hand there are as many doctors and other health professionals who are on the frontline and see the devastating effect that lack of healthcare access at the primary care level brings, and who are actually pushing not only for the present ACA, but for a Medicare For All public option plan. Hospitals too are wanting to be re-embursed for the services they provide to the un-insured, as these hospitals must treat whomever comes through their doors immaterial of ability to pay, and then must absorb the loss of revenues as most of these uninsured patients cannot/could not afford to pay for the services they receive(d), and may not qualify for Medicaid either.
By the way, infectious diseases know no borders, and do not care whether the person is rich or poor or care about political affiliations, religion or ethnicity/colour, citizen or illegal resident, young or old, insured or uninsured.
So as some of us -who may have insurance coverage- keep trying to deny other folks healthcare coverage because it would supposedly cost the country too much, we need to remember that there are no doubt many untreated infectious diseases out there for eg. TB, amoung the populace just waiting to take hold and then we will be having an epidemic on our hand that will affect us all - uninsured and insured alike.
Remember the start of HIV/AIDS in the USA, and all that was NOT done back then to contain this (predominantly -at that time) sexually transmitted disease? Now HIV/AIDs, which is still on the increase amoung all sectors of society and of whatever sexual orientation in the country, must be treated for life, once diagnosed as positive. Think of the enormous cost of ongoing treatment and which is usually paid for by Medicaid....
Wonder what that cost will be like to contain and treat TB if it should get to epidemic proportions?
Think we will be able to afford to contain and treat it then, if we supposedly cannot afford the ACA healthcare plan now?
Wouldn't preventative care be cheaper, by the masses having access to affordable ongoing care and treatment by primary care physicians/GPs etc , unlike the cost of trying to test/diagnose, contain and treat (for months and even years) folks in epidemic conditions? Just asking.....
Let's stop being 'penny wise and pound foolish' or 'dime wise and dollar foolish', before it is too late... just saying....
Peace..... 'Medicare For All' public option plan....
I have a question for all of those republicans that are saying we should repeal President Obama's health care reform because the people don't like it:
Are you republicans saying that we should let the will of the people be our guide with respect to health care reform? Do you think we should do whatever the American people want?
As I liberal I think we SHOULD have the health care reform that the American people want. The public plan option has consistently had very high levels of support in numerous nonpartisan polls (around 70% at the time the GOP was filibustering the public plan option). Since my conservative brothers and sisters obviously agree with me that we should let public opinion be our guide, I'm sure they'll join me in calling for a government run health insurance OPTION (i.e. Medicare for all).
Right?
RIGHT?
Yeah, you guys can get back to me on that. :)
Thank you moderator for restoring reasonable speech.
Junicon...
What public plan option...what polls have show a high support?
Why would we call for medicare for all? I don't know too many seniors who are particularly fond of their medicare coverage...to that end I haven't know too many seniors who rely solely on medicare without some sort of supplement. Also Medicare keeps getting cut because the funds that were taken from these seniors for decades were not placed in trust for their care today and the system is suffering for that fact. So your premise seems to be to give the Government more control over a system that has failed miserably because that same Government chose to use those funds as a kitty for special interests.
So no as a Conservative I find your circular logic flawed and feel that you should perhaps grow in responsibility to attend to your own health needs. I also think those poor stewards of the public trust should find an alternate plan to fund limited medicaid so the least of our population can receive dignified care and not get pushed back by those who will steal from a system designed to support the needs of those who cannot support their own. Perhaps we should give our judiciary teeth to deal with people who steal from the public trust. Start confiscating form those who steal to pay back the system and then ban them from every using the public health trust.
As for medicaid...it takes two people to create a child. It takes much money to support a child...Many single parents cannot meet these needs. It is time we demand that a surviving absent parent pay their fair share of the real cost of care for their children. That includes their medical cost. If a baby daddy is working and the baby mama is not working then the Baby daddy should add that child to his insurance if he is working. If he has no insurance then he should be billed back by the federal government for his half of the cost to provide medical care and cost of living for his children. We have competent DNA methods to prove parentage it is time we use it and expect the absent parent to pay that cost as well. This will go a very long way in making medicaid responsive to the real need and dignity of those who require meaningful support.
Marklepew
txmom32,
So I am a fan of companies that handle the disposal of bio waste...as long as the do it properly.
You ASSume much...I am pro choice and well Roe v. Wade sets a precedent so the law is clear. It is not an option it is a right for any individual to have control over their own bodies, abortion is just one of those agenda items. Yes dispelled cells from an abortion are medical waste but so are cysts, tumors, nodules, .
Again, I think we need bio waste companies...Stericycle provides a valuable service for over 500,000 customers world wide...can you imagine how many jobs they must support.
Are you suggesting that I am an Evangelical? I am a Christian although I do not believe that life begins until it is bestowed with a soul, when does that happen in the gestation process, I haven't a clue but I don't believe that it is early in gestation. Many women spontaneously abort it is called a miscarriage. Do we assume that God punishes women for early term miscarriage for some random reason. I think it is quite clear that God gave man free will and we are challenged to use that free will wisely.
I think you missunderstand the concept of separation of Church and State. Romney has not brought his faith into the Presidential race as any campaign tool. To that point he has chosen to keep his faith personal. He has however brought a resume full of business savvy and America needs that right now...because Washington is in deep need of some common sense to dealing with business and the economy...
I would hate to venture any guess about your personal convictions becuase I am almost certain they would be pivoting on a base of double standard.
The disaster that is Obamacare will eventually be repealed because the pressure for getting rid of it will, over time, only increase. There is no study or poll that doesn't indicate this abomination is unpopular with the American people, and will become more unpopular as the people discover those pesky listings of all the new taxes coming down the road, taxes that were buried in that 2700 page Obamacare monstrosity. Let us also not lose sight of the ever increasing estimates of the cost of this health care mess because if it ever gets fully implemented, it will cost around one trillion dollars a year.
Perhaps this is the reason the idiot Pelosi said we needed to pass Obamacare before we could know what's in it. Well, now we know, mostly what's in it and that it forced one of the largest tax increases ever on the American people while that pathological liar we have for a president insisted he won't raise anyone's tax one cent.
Interestingly, many of the strongest proponents of Obamacare are the ones that are exempt from it.
"There is no study or poll that doesn't indicate this abomination is unpopular with the American people"
Really? Don't know what polls you are referencing but here are the results of all the recent ones. You notice we're pretty evenly split. http://www.pollingreport.com/health.htm
" Let us also not lose sight of the ever increasing estimates of the cost of this health care mess"
Except the most recent estimates have gone down by $50B. See here: http://cbo.gov/publication/43080
"it will cost around one trillion dollars a year."
So how's that possible when the above link demonstrates that it will cost a total of $1.1T OVER 10 YEARS (2012-2021)? You guys aren't so good at math, are you?
"Perhaps this is the reason the idiot Pelosi said we needed to pass Obamacare before we could know what's in it."
Except she didn't say that.
"Interestingly, many of the strongest proponents of Obamacare are the ones that are exempt from it."
The Amish? Because they are just about the only ones really exempt. Waivers (if that's what you're talking about) are not the same as exemptions, and are for one year only.
Remember when you was children, and your Mom and Dad would try to teach you things? They would say, THAT IS A RED FLAG, DANGER. All you folks out there that think the affordable Health Care Act is the answer to your prayers. Nope. Our Goverment won't even use it. HINT: There's that RED FLAG your Mommy and Daddy warned you about. "SHEEP, they LOVED to be SHEERED. No Mas, No Bama 2012.
"Nope. Our Goverment won't even use it."
Wrong. Congress and their staffs must use the exchanges for their healthcare beginning in 2014. It's in the law.
@ The Good Doctor,
Since when does our elected officials play by the rules they make? It's the law, lol.
Drdrgimmethenews 1.95
Trapped by your ideology, are we?
You socialistic lefties can do no better than find a poll from one of your own that attempts to portray an even split which is not.
There are other much more realistic estimates than the partisan CBO. What's that? you say the CBO is not impartial? I would have you recall the Johnson years when he was pushing Medicare at an initial cost of 1.9 billion and he had the CBO produce a report that stated in 20 years the cost would be 19 billion when the real cost 20 years down the road was 218 billion. Johnson forced the CBO to lowball the estimate to get votes, something Obama did with his healthcare abomination.
Nancy Pelosi did say exactly that and it was recorded and shown ad nauseum. A bit of searching on your part and you can still find that news byte.
The strongest proponents (democrats in congress) are exempt from having to suffer the ravages of Obamacare and I guess you haven't been paying attention, many waivers are for longer than one year.
I could go on and on about how people such as yourself cackle about getting healthcare for some 30 million people that currently don't have any and the merits of a single payer system, etc. This nonsense completely ignores two compelling and dire facts.
Who is going to pay for these people's healthcare? It isn't going to be free. Most people that want obamacare want it because they think somebody else is going to pay for their healthcare.
With all the rhetoric coming from Obama and his bunch about all the millions that will now have access to healthcare, there is not one word about adding one doctor or one nurse and they completely ignore rumblings from the medical community about masses of doctors considering packing it in if Obamacare isn't repealed. The system will be in danger of complete collapse.
If you think healthcare is expensive now, wait until it's free.
"You socialistic lefties can do no better than find a poll from one of your own that attempts to portray an even split which is not."
Right. Except that the link I provided showed the results of ALL the polls on healthcare reform in the last couple of years. Obviously you can do no better than to talk without facts. And yeah, they all show a pretty even split.
"There are other much more realistic estimates than the partisan CBO."
Uh, no. They are nonpartisan. Most of the same folks who created estimates for the Bush administration are still there, allowing for retirements and new hires. How in the world would you have personal knowledge about what happened between the CBO and the Johnson administration, anyway? And you realize that was about 50 years ago, right? Wow.
"Nancy Pelosi did say exactly that and it was recorded and shown ad nauseum. A bit of searching on your part and you can still find that news byte."
The problem with the sound byte shown over and over was that it wasn't the complete statement, and editing the end of it off changes the meaning entirely. She said: "But we have to pass the bill so you can find out what is in it AWAY FROM THE FOG OF CONTROVERSY." So no, she DIDN'T say 'EXACTLY THAT.'
"The strongest proponents (democrats in congress) are exempt from having to suffer the ravages of Obamacare"
Big. Fat. Lie. As of 2014 all members of Congress and their staffs must get their insurance from the exchanges. It's in the law, and it was even a Republican idea. See here: http://www.healthcare.gov/law/timeline/
"Most people that want obamacare want it because they think somebody else is going to pay for their healthcare."
Only in your imagination. No one except Republicans ever claimed that PPACA was going to provide "free healthcare," and Republicans claim that Democrats say that. It's not true. Buying an insurance policy from a private company either through your employer or through the exchanges is not, and never has been, free. However, the purpose of PPACA was not to make your personal health insurance premium cheaper. It was to provide access to healthcare for the millions of Americans who could not get insurance for a variety of reasons. Like having an educated populace, having a healthy one should be of concern to every citizen of the US. Healthy citizens can be productive, and folks with health insurance are unlikely to lose everything they own if they suffer an accident or a disease.
"there is not one word about adding one doctor or one nurse"
One more example of how ignorant of the law you people are. How can you be sooooo opposed to something WHEN YOU HAVE NO CLUE WHAT IS IN IT? There are provisions in the law for providing more equitable reimbursement for primary care physicians, for funding for training more physicians, nurse practitioners, and other front-line personnel, as well as setting up community health centers in underserved areas.
"they completely ignore rumblings from the medical community about masses of doctors considering packing it in if Obamacare isn't repealed."
In 2005, a survey demonstrated that over 50% of physicians would retire within three years if they could. Had nothing to do with PPACA, and those "rumblings" you are talking about are from a Tea Party-affiliated poll with a 4% return rate that NEVER mentioned health care reform. Do some independent research.
Here is your "government death panel," ladies and gentlemen: the Republican-run House that continuously votes to deny medical coverage and affordable healthcare to Americans.
Yes, and your children with pre-existing conditions too..................
You missed the paragraphs about IPAB – Independent Payment Advisory Board and the ways they will be able to cut Medicare reimbursements, thus making it harder to find doctors who will accept Medicare. This will affect anyone over 65 who is on Medicare. Think about your parents and grandparents who are counting on Medicare for their healthcare and who will now be able to die without dignity because Obamacare won't allow treatments they need to be paid.
Can anybody on this post tell me what this health care will cost them. I tried to when it first came out and figured it would cost me 3/4 of my months pay for health, doctors, and meds.
Lotta Spin there Cam! No one wants to deny health care coverage, they just don't believe this is the right prescription. Nor do the majority of Americans! With the right leadership, this law could've been debated and worked to be more beneficial for all Americans...........not simply another tax!
More Republican lies: it does not cut medicare. It takes the over funding for medicare plus and allows medicare to serve more people. (politifact.com).
It increases access to those needing medicare, so stop scaring people, and start talking about what you would replace it with.
I won't hold my breath.
Thanks, Eric. It's really fun to make up things, spin them, and lie I guess. Too bad it isn't honest and doesn't help anyone except those who want Mr. Obama to be a one-term president.
Bob in KC-545426 - Hey Bob, know much about the United States Government? It would appear not. Like most Republicans you only believe what you are told and don't have the intellectual curiosity to fact check for yourself.
The Independent Payment Advisory Board does not have the authority to change Medicare reimbursement rates. It can only "advise" Congress on changes. The Congress... and only the Congress has the authority to change Medicare reimbursement rates. Since the Republicans now control the House of Representatives, if they vote to lower reimbursement rates...they are your "death panel".
Try to look up the facts before you post and make a complete fool of yourself.
Yo Bubba, you really need to find a job that pays more than $.35/hr. Do us all a favor and post a link or at least a reference validating your statement.
The majority of Americans are against the name "Obamacare" but as soon as you start mentioning whats in it without using the word Obama to scare Obama-phobes... a larger % of Americans support the idea... The people that are so zealously against it and spread ridiculousness lies about it have not taken the time to read it and are painting themselves as idiots... How do you have such strong opinions about something without reading it and able to refer to specific sections.... the dumbing down of American politics to fit on a bumper sticker or facebook jpg continues
Health Insurance providers are the death panels. They fight for new ways to not cover you after they already have your money in order to pad their profit margin.
OK Mire I read and posted section 1303 section 3 and section 3b1 of the PPACA. Now you live by that which is what Roberts and his merry band said was constitutional. Then you and I have no problem. Put a leash on Sebellius and make her enforce the law as written.
I read the judgment... I think its reasonable to classify the mandate as a tax because it is collected in the same manner as a tax via the IRS... which falls under congress' powers to tax and regulate commerce.... just because you call it by another name does not change the function.
To avoid the tax is quite simple buy health care of your choice and you wont be forced to pay for health care you will eventually use in your life.... you know the whole "personal responsibility" mantra the GoP uses until something comes along they don't like.
Can't afford it there is a function to expand medicare so you can.... The only way you are taxed is if you absolutely refuse to take personal responsibility for your own health care.... whats the problem everyone has with this? This prevent hand outs conservative voters cry so much about. Its better than whats happening now.... letting uninsured people walk into the ER for free and letting the government flip the bill with no means of revenue to pay for it.
@bubba-1946427, under the Health Care Act, after the exchange is set up in my state(by the fed govrn.) we will be paying 12% to 20% of our income. Now we are paying 37% of our income for insurance. Plus we would qualify for subsides to pay for the premiums. What it will pay will have to wait and see. All I know is the $400 we will save on premiums will help us.
While I support a lot of the ACA, there are parts that I still have not seen. That is not the pertinent point as far as I am concerned. The point right now is that the Republicans are flogging a dead horse and this is all for show at the taxpayers' expense. This is about the 30th time they have done this. The Senate is going to reject it and they know it. DUH! They need to be addressing other issues and working together rather than repeatedly voting on this when they cannot win. They wasted their time and our money investigating pro baseball players too. If President Obama is not reelected it should be because of the economy, not this B.S. but there are Democrats and Republicans that should all be voted out for not working together and not fixing the economy. As President Clinton said, "Its the economy stupid". Bring back Slick Willy!
Those five cowards have elections coming up in November 2012. Democrats are siding with the GOP to repeal Obamacare.
Bob, Medicare has always been a pain in the butt to get paneled on. Nothing is changing there.
I have health insurance from work, so I don't have a problem, about 2 months after this pased the cost came out. I figured it would cost me and my wife with the doctor visits and health care cost and the meds about 3/4 of what I make in one month. The Government has the money to subsides this thats a joke right who is speaking out their back side now. Premiums from who they handed us a bunch of this sounds good stuff! Everybody has the chance to buy health care now! You want to make it affordable bring the cost the health care down, how make it a non proffitable life care necessity.
lonereb - Your reference isn't exactly the way the Public Law is laid out but I assume this is the section you refer to:
(3) PROVIDER CONSCIENCE PROTECTIONS.—No individual
health care provider or health care facility may be discriminated
against because of a willingness or an unwillingness, if doing
so is contrary to the religious or moral beliefs of the provider
or facility, to provide, pay for, provide coverage of, or refer
for abortions.
If that is your reference:
In so much as the Catholic Church is not a health care provider or facility in this case, but an employer, and
In so much as the Insurance Companies volunteered to cover women's health care services without requiring the Catholic Church to pay for them...what's your point?
LMAO erik, medicare is over funded? What type of pills are you popping where it is so acceptable to throw our elderly and disabled under the bus?
Realtime, everyone in the house is up for re-election in november, the house term is only 2 years.
Now that they've had this useless vote, can the House PLEASE get back to more important things.
After all, aren't there a few post offices that need to be named before they get closed ?
Dale Brown 37% of your income? You may want to check around unless you only make 10K a year in that case file for Medicare!
Isn’t it about time that the House gets off their behinds and get some real work done? Also, the law is not called, Obamacare. The law was passed by Congress (both the House and the Senate)and not by Obama. Romney is one of the most deceitful, flip-flopping, political liars in the U.S. He claims the new healthcare law is immoral, unlawful, horrific, etc. etc. Yet, ROMNEY IS THE ONE, who set up the model (for this new healthcare act) in Massachusetts while serving as their Governor. If the bozo were smart enough, he would campaign that he was the developer/initiator of this Healthcare Bill and signed it into law for his own state, rather than admitting it was lawful then, but now claims just the opposite with this new National Healthcare Law. It’s amazing that the Republican Party cannot come up with anything better than a person, who talks out of both sides of his mouth. But then that tends to be the nature of the Republican way nowadays.
If the House would spend half as much time on the "jobs bill" which President Obama put before them in January to pass which would create JOBS, and less time trying to scare the american people into believing in "death panels" and the "sky is falling" or my absolute favorite 'KEEP THE GOVERNMENT OUT OF MY MEDICARE", they might actually pass legitimate legistlation to help the american people and improve the ecomony. It cracks me up that people acutally believe that the IPAB - Ind. Payment Advisory Board will be acting as a panel of people who control what care a patient will receive. The people who have been brainwashed into this notion do not know the first thing about the Medicare Payor System or that anyone now on Medicare has to have their hospital stay approved based upon admitting diagnosis with a combination of their commorbidities and complications because that is how fees are set. Someone already decides what care they get, how long they are allowed to be hospitalized and then shoved out the door too soon, it's called a Case manager who works for the hospital who wants as much money as possible for the patient.
You see this is how it REALLY works. A little old lady is admitted with congestive heart failure, that diagnosis (DRG) is worth many thousands of dollars to the hospital. And those fees are set by the AMA (all run by physicians) then a hospital case manager decides when the patient has to be discharged regardless of whether the little old lady is ready or not. Why? Because they get a large amount of Federal Medicare money for that admission so if they treat her for 7 days or just 2 days, what do you think is better for the hospital? They have a larger profit margin by giving her less treatment and still collecting the full amount of her DRG based diagnosis regardless of how long it really takes to cure her. And you know why the new IPAB is called INDEPENDENT? Because the AMA, which is controlled by physicians, will not longer be allowed to set the DRG based fees and therefore there will be independent oversight into fraud by hospitals and clinics and physician offices who bill Medicare for services and make a lot of extra money in doing so based upon a diagnosis the patient never really has.Believe me people, physicians and hospitals are not going to stop taking Medicare E V E R! It pays more than any state aid program and most private insurance companies like Blue Cross or Blue Shield.
@Fla Native, This increase taxes by tax on over the counter drugs ,medical,supplies,tax at your Doc office.
All you have to do is read the bill talk to your Doc,and your pharmacist.You can find the bill on line .
And when you read it you might be surprised.
Have a good day
Bottom line in all of this is that it is another attempt by Republicans so that 10% of Americans can keep their "Temporary Tax Savings" that was set to expire when Bush left office instead of using the 50 BILLION $$ a year to fund Health Care Coverage for the entire Population. Because in the words of the Republican Party if we end those TEMPORARY Tax Cuts.... we are raising taxes.....
All this despite the fact that Taxes have been raised every year by Congress during this economy. Get real and get serious please.
Cameron Ford # 2.,
Best analysis yet of the Republican vote to repeal the ACA. Here's what Cameron says,
"Here is your "government death panel," ladies and gentlemen: the Republican-run House that continuously votes to deny medical coverage and affordable healthcare to Americans."
Obamacare is too expensive and unsustainable, it guts Medicare by $500 billion, its estimated costs has tripled from 1 trillion to over 3 trillion dollars. You will lose all private Health Care options currently avalible, you will lose your choice in doctor or hospital. Long lines and wait times will become the new norm.
"it guts Medicare by $500 billion,"
False. See here: http://www.politifact.com/florida/statements/2012/may/15/us-chamber-commerce/chamber-says-bill-nelson-voted-cut-medicare-500-bi/
"its estimated costs has tripled from 1 trillion to over 3 trillion dollars"
Also false. See here: http://cbo.gov/publication/43080
"You will lose all private Health Care options currently avalible"
Again, false. The exchanges will be made up of private health insurance companies, and as they will be getting all kinds of new customers, they ought to be doing well.
"you will lose your choice in doctor or hospital"
False. Notice a trend? Insurance companies restrict the doctors or hospitals you can go to now to the ones in their networks.
DrDrGimmetheNews,
Thanks for that surgical gutting of four false claims made in only 2 sentences.
I'm just wondering if 40 years from now, they will be as concerned about cutbacks in the privately insured ACA as they are now about cutbacks in the 40-yr-old government run Medicare.
They should repeal their own health care benefits first. I am tired of paying for their wonderful medical insurance and paying for my own mediocre health insurance as well. Let them buy their own. I can even recommend a company for them. The CEO of United Health made over 100 million dollars in salary last year. He didn't get that salary for paying medical claims. Shame on congress!!!!!!!!!
Yeah, they could be more productive trying to draft a coherent jobs bill.
Note: I said coherent, not giveaways to big oil and the deregulation of clean air and water that they are calling jobs bills sitting over at the Senate.
They do pay for their own insurance, just like any other employee. That is why they are fighting this law, their premiums will go up a lot.
Call or email your senator and ask them to vote to repeal ObamaCare and keep the government out of our healthcare. This is for our good.
For the first time in over a decade when my family renews out health care on Aug 1st our premiums are going down 3% due to the 80/20 rule in the ACA
Thank god we have started down the right path of reducing health care costs and giving everyone a chance at affordable health care
"But Rep. Tim Scott, R- S.C., said during the House debate Wednesday that the Affordable Care Act would squeeze $500 billion in reduced spending out of Medicare over ten years."
Look at who is concerned about Medicare: a Republican ! (after, what, 35-40 yrss?). You can't hardly get much more socialistic than Medicare.
So now we have Republicans defending socialism, (I guess, because it works: Rep Scott went on to lament that his grandfather may lose Medicare benefits .)
But at the same time they are concerned about loosing socialistic Medicare, conservatives call the ACA a gov't takeover (because they really cannot find anything bad about its policies),
Republicans have now had to embrace socialism - just to futilily try to stir up rejection of President Obama.
well, i read something today in time magazine that was very interesting. this whole health care thing might have a side effect no one expected. it turns out the Aetna has teemed up with Costco to offer health insurance to Costco members at a reduced rate. and since many Costco members are owners of small businesses they will be able to get insurance for their employees at a discount. other insurance companies are also jumping on this band wagon, with deals with Walmart and Best Buy! now, i don't know if the health care plan would allow us to change our carrier any time we want like we can with care insurance, this could really spur competition that would drive the cost down not up.
i think the biggest problem with healthcare insurance today is the fact that you can't just cancel your service whenever you want. i get it through my job and if i was able to choose from whoever, i would naturally choose the least expensive service with the best coverage. and all this might happen anyway, because if you don't have much money and you just don't get insurance and the government taxes you, but you can get assistance paying for it, well, the insurance companies would get nothing! i think they would rather have some than nothing and they will be motivated not to raise rates, but lower them.
i mean, if my job has health insurance for me and the insurance company decides to raise the rates to exorbitant highs, why would i keep paying it if i could just opt out and pay the tax? the insurance company would lose and they will lose if they choose to do that. i think that greed will make them choose to get more customers at a lower rate than no customers at all.
this is going to be a really interesting next couple of years. there's no going back people. there are too many good things about the healthcare law to do away with it and i really believe in a very short time most people will be very weary of hearing their representatives beat the dead horse. if the republicans really want to win, they better start moving on to something else quick. they already lost my mother's vote and she's been a republican for more than 60 years. i was a republican for more than 25 years before i saw that they had sold their collective souls to the radical religious right and now to the highest bidder. too bad, i really liked being a republican...i thought it stood for something good. now, it just stands for obsession for power at all costs even to the destruction of our country as a whole.
Why dont we end all of this and let the people vote on it in Nov?
Just to set this record straight - under the new law, Congress is required to participate, just like everyone else, in purchasing insurance through the exchange system.
I will also comment that there is a cap on how much an individual employee of a company with over 50 employees can be required to pay out of pocket for their health insurance (it's a percentage of their income - I can't recall what that percentage is off the top of my head, but it's LOW compared to today's costs). The reality, however, is that the additional costs will be passed on to business owners.
I'm in favor of the health care law, I'm in favor of the expansion of medicaid if necessary. Still, there are a lot of kinks to work out in this new system. I wish the exchanges would be more uniform from state to state - but we'll see how that all goes as time passes.
Amen sister
When are they going to get it that the American people do want affordable health care. We don't want to pay for illegal immigrants though. I am with Suzeiki above. The house should get over this and start worrying about where the jobs are!
My employer provides my insurance and has told me that because of this bill and being single, my taxes will double in the next year! I'm being taxed because one of my benefits at work is free insurance to pay for this stuff. Did any of you read the actual bill? There are some exclusions to the law and I think you'll be suprised who it is. There was also a lot of crap added to this law. Get smart America and read what they are passing!!!
Dale Brown
Te taxpayers pays for these buttwipes salaries and insurance, and they are not like any other employee either. If they were, then We the People should be allowed to fire their azzes pronto.
@annie-2429575, remember they couldn't read it until they passed it.
In any case, annie has the right idea. If people actually buckled down and read all the pages, statements, and legalities of this so-called "Affordable Care Act" then they'll see all the exemptions in there (1% alert!) but they will also see that the tax, while ridiculous in nature and execution, is comparatively low to rates in insurance. Now don't get uppity thinking these taxes are going to the healthcare system. You should all know better than that by now. And it doesn't matter if the law states it has to go to the healthcare system, Congress will still work around it, Democrat or Republican-controlled.
Now this may, as suggested earlier, force companies to lower their rates, but what won't lower is healthcare costs. You pay the insurance premium, you may even have a co-pay for visits, medications, operations, etc., and the insurance company eats the rest. If their rates lower they aren't making profits and they will either lay off thousands of people, move the jobs overseas, or close down or get bought up. And as I just said, the taxes others pay by not getting into this is not gonna go back into healthcare (not insurance or cost coverage). So yes, by all means, support this bill and watch as politicians still drain you dry.
Get your facts from the correct source http://www.healthcare.gov/ and not the fake fox news source.
http://www.healthcare.gov/
http://www.healthcare.gov/
We who work will pay and we will like it... Just ask Obama, who never seen a tax he did not like ..just ask Ted Kennedy's Head, ahh I'M bad that was Ted Williams Head..what the heck just ask the head..
I pay for my Medicate potential benefits. Socialism is when someone else pays.
What premiums and what insurance would those be, Dale? Fact is, they get their health care gratis, no cost, FREE OF CHARGE, all paid for by us tax payers.
You couldn't make this stuff up, honestly........Mitt Romney, a Bishop in the Mormon Church, 2 degrees from Harvard University creates RomneyCare as the elected Governor of Massachusetts.....and it works very well,......along comes Barack Obama, is told about the success of RomneyCare and he conducts a successful search to locate the same team which Romney used to create RomneyCare, and he hires them, and tells them to draft the Law for ObamaCare.......which is a watered down version of RomneyCare !! Hahahaha
As Governor of Massachusetts, Romney signs a State-wide same sex marriage law, praises Stem Cell research, applauds the right of a womans choice for abortion, AND states that he "Vigorously supports the very strong ANTI-Gun laws of the State of Massachusetts" ! Then he gets caught TWICE employing illegal Hispanic immigrant workers at his mansion on Marsh Rd. in Belmont,Mass.
The way that I look at the election, is that whether the vote is for Obama OR for Romney......a Liberal will be the President of the USA for the next 4 years.........no question about it......
Forgot to mention that Bishop Romney, a VietNam Draft dodger,counselled his 5 military aged sons to avoid the military..."The military is for working class kids."
So? His 92 year old grandfather is going to die at some point....I wonder if Scott asked the old man if He thought he was participating in a socialist boondoggle.
And Members of Congress get Free medical care for them and their families For Life.
Why Do these people continue to think they're winning??
According to CBS News in a segment broadcast this evening, the Republican controlled House has now wasted all of two full work weeks, at a cost of $50 million tax dollars, in 33 votes attempting to repeal all or part of the Affordable Care Act.
Of course they uniformly refuse to call the Act by its legal name, insisting instead on using a pejorative juvenile playground taunt "Obamacare." Impressive leaders these, huh?
$50 million dollars and two Congressional work weeks wasted with full knowledge that those bills would never be brought to a vote in the US Senate.
Two work weeks spent on political theater, when there is so much vital work needing to be done to help turn the corner on the US Economy and jobs creation.
This is how Republican control of a house of Congress recognizes the needs of the American people; by ignoring those needs in favor of theater for political gain and posturing for the TV cameras.
Mind you, the Affordable Care Act was written by Congress, passed my a majority of votes in both Houses of Congress, signed into law by the President of the U*nited States ...just like every other law.
And this one was even challenged in the courts by a disgruntled few, and was upheld all the way through a decision by the US Supreme Court.
The enormous waste of time, and waste of US taxpayer's dollars, and the demonstrated rejection by the Republican Party of the validity of the exercise of 220-year-old Constitutional processes used for the creation of this law ... is breathtaking.
NO Republican involved in this ongoing political embarrassment should ever again use the word "patriot" without being challenged by the American people about the meaning of that word.
"So you work, pay taxes, buy health insurance for your family all of your life only to go bankrupt if one gets sick"I cant think of anything more UN American..
The political lines are clearly drawn!
It should be a very interesting election year!
If fiscal responsibility wins out, America has a chance for survival.
If Obama and his taxes wins out, look out!
America will end up like Greece, Spain, and the rest of the "socialist countries" that can not pay their own way and need "bailouts".
What direction will America choose?
BBaker ... Love the Avatar ... need a bit right now ....
MtMike ... Seriously .... You think Mitt Romney has a plan of "fiscal responsibility?" Good Laws! He has no plans ... nothing ... zero ... zilch. Poor thing couldn't even compose a speech for the NAACP without studying the demographics. And your little Mittens can't stand to invest in the United States; likes to park his cash overseas. And this is the man you want to lead your country??? He can't even remember where his "blind trust" has parked his money! But this is your guy????
Any of you ... please give me an honest, factual source on why on earth you want to see Mitt Romney as president OTHER than the fact that he isn't the current one. Because if that's all you're banking on .... then it's a sick, sad, state of affairs.
fiscal responsibility? You're having a laugh! There isn't anyone in the Republican Party that knows anything about that. Mike Tyson is more fiscally responsible than any 10 GOP congressmen combined.
thanks Layton, so do I :)
What a waste of Time and Money, what America needs is to get rid of these REPUBLICAN Congressman because it's obvious they are not there to take care of the business at hand like JOBS, they are to busy playing kid GAMES thinking they are somehow doing their MASTERS a favor because it's not about the citizens of America that is going to benefit.
Let these idiots keep voting daily. They really aren't worth a damn to any of the people, and they shoot themselves in their asses every time they do this vote.
The President promised that he would not raise taxes on 95% of Americans in any way. The Supreme Court has ruled that the individual mandate penalty is really just a tax so in violation of the President's promise, the health care law raises taxes one some of the 95% of Americans who are not supposed to have their taxes raised. Repealing the health care law will help the President to keep his promise to the American people. So the House by their vote to repeal the health care law is really helping the President to keep his promise to the American people. The Democrats in the Senate should show their support for the President by voting to repeal the health care law. All hail the Chief!
From what I have heard the new health care law is not what the President promised the American people. I believe that will be made clear as the Prisident and my congressman go over the hearth care bill, "line by line", on CSPAN, as the President promised the American people that he would. Does anyone know when the broadcasts are scheduled to begin?
The GOP is wasting American tax dollars and wasting the time of everyday Americans!!
They are spoiled, arrogant and egotists! They always whine and start screaming out lies as if their daddy is going to listen.
Well... I hear you GOP! I'm not voting for any of you and when you're all through with your whining you can sit in the corner and take a, "Time-Out!".... Because... None of us are voting for you punks anymore. The childish behavior is finished and America wants to grow!
Will Haas ..
I read that a time or two again ... and it made no sense. Then I read the remainder of your post ... and uhhhhh BBaker and I might want to have a little nip, you, my friend, need to go to bed and rethink that post another day.
Thirty-three times! Really?! What a total waste of time. Maybe these people are US Reps, because they can't work in the real world. Name me one other place, (don't include the Senate, or State houses/senates) where you could propose something that wasn't going to get done thirty three times and keep your job? In the 30 odd years I've been employed, in two different industries, I've never seen it happen. Most other industries allow 1 or maybe 2 times to bring something to the table if it gets shot down you MOVE ON!
Why can't they work on something else...like maybe JOBS!! Oh, I forgot, they have theirs and don't care if the rest of us do or not.
Nightcloud ... without sounding like a total dork ... NO KIDDING! WTF? why do the job you were sent there to do with fab benefits and a nice paycheck? Just dilly-dally around and piss off your constituents .. . . Everyone needs to totally wake up and VOTE THEM OUT!
It's time to start pointing out who's going to have to pay the new 'TAX'.
It's not the 'Rich' - they have insurance so they are exempt.
It's not the 'Poor' because they get free Medicaid - courtesy of the taxpayers.
That leaves the 'Middle Class' to pay the tax/fine - typically the lower income Middle Class (working poor), which has a disproportionate number of minorities. They still won't be able to afford the high cost of insurance (even after partial subsidies), so they will still go without insurance, but now they will have to pay a tax/fine as well.
Ironically, this is the same group that voted overwhelmingly for Obama in 2008 - I guess that's what you might call 'Retribution'.
For the past 5 years Blue Cross Blue Shield has raised their rates at my job-(no one has received any pay raises for the past 5 years) The bottom line for me is if I have to pay more & more & more I would rather pay a tax to the govt then give BCBS ANOTHER BLOODY PENNY!!!!
OBAMA/BIDEN 2012
Roy, and your facts are? The "tax" is explained very well in this link............http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/wp/2012/06/24/11-facts-about-the-affordable-care-act/
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In the past week, both Alec MacGillis and Sabrina Tavernise have written articles touching on how little the uninsured actually know about the Affordable Care Act. Given that polling shows the law remains unpopular even as its component parts — with the notable exception of the individual mandate — are very popular, it seems they’re not alone. So here’s a refresher on some of the law’s most significant policies and consequences:
1. By 2022, the Congressional Budget Office estimates (pdf) the Affordable Care Act will have extended coverage to 33 million Americans who would otherwise be uninsured. Here’s the graph:
2. Families making less than 133 percent of the poverty line — that’s about $29,000 for a family of four — will be covered through Medicaid. Between 133 percent and 400 percent of the poverty line — $88,000 for a family of four – families will get tax credits on a sliding scale to help pay for private insurance.
3. For families making less than 400 percent of the poverty line, premiums are capped. So, between 150% and 200% of the poverty line, for instance, families won’t have to pay more than 6.3 percent of their income in premiums. Between 300 percent and 400 percent, they won’t have to pay more than 9.5 percent. This calculator from the Kaiser Family Foundation will let you see the subsidies and the caps for different families at different income levels.
4. When the individual mandate is fully phased-in, those who can afford coverage — which is defined as insurance costing less than 8 percent of their annual income — but choose to forgo it will have to pay either $695 or 2.5 percent of the annual income, whichever is greater.
5. Small businesses that have fewer than 10 employees, average wages beneath $25,000, and that provide insurance for their workers will get a 50 percent tax credit on their contribution. The tax credit reaches up to small businesses with up to 50 employees and average wages of $50,000, though it gets smaller as the business get bigger and richer. The credit lasts for two years, though many think Congress will be pressured to extend it, which would raise the long-term cost of the legislation.
6. Insurance companies are not allowed to discriminated based on preexisting conditions. They are allowed to discriminate based “on age (limited to 3 to 1 ratio), premium rating area, family composition, and tobacco use (limited to 1.5. to 1 ratio).”
7. Starting in 2018, the law imposes a 35 percent tax on employer-provided health plans that exceed $10,200 for individual coverage and $27,500 for family coverage. The idea is a kind of roundabout second-best to capping the tax code’s (currently unlimited) deduction for employer-provided heath insurance. The policy idea is to give employers that much more reason to avoid expensive insurance policies and thus give insurers that much more reason to hold costs down.
8. The law requires insurers to spend between 80 and 85 percent of every premium dollar on medical care (as opposed to administration, advertising, etc). If insurers exceed this threshold, they have to rebate the excess to their customers. This policy is already in effect, and insurers are expected to rebate $1.1 billion this year.
9. The law is expected to spend a bit over $1 trillion in the next 10 years. The law’s spending cuts — many of which fall on Medicare — and tax increases are expected to either save or raise a bit more than that, which is why the Congressional Budget Office estimates that it will slightly reduce the deficit. (There’s been some confusion on this point lately, but no, the CBO has not changed its mind about this.) As time goes on, the savings are projected to grow more quickly than the spending, and CBO expects that the law will cut the deficit by around a trillion dollars in its second decade. Here’s its graph, which covers the period between 2012 and 2021:
The ACA's taxes and spending cuts make it a slight deficit reduce in its first decade. (CBO)
10. In recent years, health-care costs have slowed dramatically. Much of this is likely due to the recession. Some of it may just be chance. But there’s also evidence that the law has accelerated changes in the way the medical system delivers care, as providers prepare for the law’s efforts to move from fee-for-service to quality-based payments.
11. The law’s long-term success at controlling costs will likely hinge on its efforts to change the way health care is delivered, most of which have gotten very little attention. They include everything from encouraging Accountable Care Organizations to spreading medical homes to penalizing hospitals with high rates of preventable infections to creating an independent board able to quickly implement new reforms through the Medicare system. A partial list of these efforts can be found here.
Acknowledgments: Much of the information in this post comes from the Kaiser Family Foundation’s excellent summary of the Affordable Care Act’s provisions.
There is one more vote on ObamaCare coming in November. There are about five things continually spouted by Democrats as reasons ObamaCare is good, but what about the other 2695 pages? But because we had to pass it to find out what was in it, those remaining pages will eventually hit home even if ObamaCare continues. I for one can't wait for everyone to have to start paying out 4 cents out of every dime they earn in investments, including mutual funds, stocks, and so forth. It will be a rude awakening for many, as ObamaCare is supposedly going to be funded by the most convoluted tax scheme ever devised for an entitlement. I say supposedly because no entitlement has ever come in a promised, and ObamaCare will not be the first.
Rick, most people are beyond your rhetoric points, and Bills have been passed with more pages.......get over it, it is the LAW.
Has the Social Security reached the objective. Your rant is obviously not supported by comman sense or public opinion. Look at Medicare, very popular.
http://healthreform.kff.org/Home/KHS/SubsidyCalculator.aspx?source=FS, here is the site that allows anyone to estimate their cost......... much better than Roy and his inuendo.
Just ran the # on the Kaiser site,,,,,,,,,,,,,, Family of 4, with $50,000 of income, wage earner is 45 years old, will pay 6.77% MAXIMIUM for insurance, or $3,385. Thats, $282.00 per month, for the silver plan. There are lower premiums avalible with less coverage.
"For the past 5 years Blue Cross Blue Shield has raised their rates at my job-(no one has received any pay raises for the past 5 years) The bottom line for me is if I have to pay more & more & more I would rather pay a tax to the govt then give BCBS ANOTHER BLOODY PENNY!!!!
OBAMA/BIDEN 2012"
Right on! Peace out!
Bob-1920561 says, "Has the Social Security reached the objective. Your rant is obviously not supported by comman sense or public opinion. Look at Medicare, very popular."
Right Bob. Social Security is flat broke and going bankrupt. There are more people taking out of the system then are paying in. Benefits will be cut and the retirement age raised just to keep it around for a while longer, but there is no way it can be supported as it is today.
Medicare is popular? Go try and find doctor willing to accept new patients that are on it. With the way the program is being cut, pretty soon it will be indistinguishable from Medicaid and doctors are losing money with that program.
Just because liberals can conjure up a new program doesn't mean doctors will embrace it. Doctors are already dropping out of the system and setting up concierge practices. Look it up Bob maybe you will finally see the future for those that don't want ObamaCare forced upon them.
We can do it Comment collapsed by the community
This is all about making Obama a "one term president"
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Jug-head should have never been a " one term president " to begin with.
Rich, and your rant is supported by you and the Tea Party, that is it............. Many on those programs love them, fact. I have had and EVERYONE I know, no problem getting a DR. to accept Medicare,,,,,,,prove I am wrong. http://www.commonwealthfund.org/News/News-Releases/2009/May/Elderly-Medicare-Beneficiaries-Give-Their-Coverage-Higher-Ratings.aspx, notice I supply links to facts and surveys,,how about you? http://www.gallup.com/poll/122663/private-public-health-plan-subscribers-rate-plans-similarly.aspx,,,
82% excellant rating for Medicare from a Gallup poll, and your facts?
S.S. going broke in your eyes, and Repuglicans,,,,,,,,a political ploy to gather votes......How many times in 80 years have benifits or deductions been altered,,,,,,,I count twice 1984 and 1992........ your prove?
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Those comparisons show the depth of Medicare's popularity. According to a national CAHPS survey conducted by the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services in 2007, 56 percent of enrollees in traditional fee-for-service Medicare give their "health plan" a rating of 9 or 10 on a 0-10 scale. Similarly, 60 percent of seniors enrolled in Medicare Managed Care rated their plans a 9 or 10. But according to the CAHPS surveys compiled by HHS, only 40 percent of Americans enrolled in private health insurance gave their plans a 9 or 10 rating.
More importantly, the higher scores for Medicare are based on perceptions of better access to care. More than two thirds (70 percent) of traditional Medicare enrollees say they "always" get access to needed care (appointments with specialists or other necessary tests and treatment), compared with 63 percent in Medicare managed care plans and only 51 percent of those with private insurance."
http://www.nationaljournal.com/njonline/who-s-afraid-of-public-insurance--20090629
Yah,Yah,YAh, keep feeding us b.s. and rants with no basis but your bias in politics. Wake up and educate yourself for a change.
Concierge practices cater to the super rich, and always have,,,$30,000 nose jobs etc.. No one of the 99% can afford that before, now or later,,,,,,,,,,What has Concierge Medical Practices have to do with affordable/Excellent health care? Did you ever suspect adding new patients is not possible because of the work load? No, blame it on Medicare, not the amount of Dr.s' and Specialists out there. Please find me one Dr."s website that states "we do not accept Medicare", and I will show you 100 that do in the same region.
Why couldn't S.S. or Mdicare be funded just like EVERY other Gov. Program,,,,,,add to the budget, even if it adds to the debt? Because it is a political football kicked around in Washington....... Every program in the Federal Government is appropriated money that may raise or lower the National Debt, but two. Social security and Medicare, why is that? No Federal Program has ever gone bankrupt, so where is your facts to back up your b.s. assumption on Medicare and S.S.? You have really bought into a pile of stink, and seem to like it, to bad.
Rick, I just did a quick count and come up with 30 people I personally know who both are on S.S. and Medicare,,,,NONE of them have expressed a negative opinion or stated a problem with Dr. acceptance,,,,,,,,so who lives in his own dream world?
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First, younger Americans not enrolled in Medicare do not share the enthusiasm of seniors for the program. Six years ago, the Kaiser Foundation asked a national sample of adults to rate the Medicare program. Medicare was hugely popular among those aged 65 or greater. Eighty percent rated Medicare favorably. Similarly, more than half of seniors (62 percent) considered Medicare "well run" compared to only 28 percent willing to say the same of "private health plans such as PPOs and HMOs that people get through their jobs."
Those under 65, however, had very different views. Only 45 percent rated Medicare favorably. Only 36 percent considered it well run, as compared to 47 percent who said the same about private health plans. While 73 percent of those over 65 said Medicare allowed patients to choose any doctor, only 28 percent of those under 65 agreed." now why is that Rick? Could it be politically motivated to undereducate the young about these programs, and which party(Republican) talks like you?
Rick, you are a political hack, and nothing else.
The Dems that voted to repeal are just COWARDS!
Cowards for not voting the party line?
They aren't really Dems, just Republicans in Dem clothing...........
They secretly have the Rush Limbaugh Tattoo in a hidden area......
Tell me what this bill will cost you?
Or..........they actually voted the way THEIR constituents back home asked them to, since this is such an unpopular law and they're facing re-election!!!
not understanding the cowards comment-- they voted against their party, against their president-- that makes them cowards?? What am I missing?
My favorite thing about 5 Democrats voting with Republicans:
Watch the GOP cheerleaders crowing that this was a "bipartisan" vote.
well, technically, it was.... Nothing to crow about, though-- only five Democrats with a clue? Yeesh. (just kidding...)
and all 239 Republicans without a clue!!
Marla, I come from THE red-est state of them all...Utah. Our Only Demarcate has been targeted by the Tea's AND big money. Yes He is a COWARD. He is ONLY looking out for his JOB... I was like you and brain washed, by my party (GOP) of 30+ years but also The Mormon Church. (they will baptize Any And All of the people with-out permission, then lie about it until they get caught.) I know Mitt, I know his church. The one thing he could have done to help his run was to OWN the health care...with pride. It IS a good start. But like the rest of the party of "NO" He and they Are the REAL cowards. WHERE ARE THE JOBS.? Stop Playing games with the American People.
Eric maybe they are doing what THIER constituents want. That is who they represent not you.
Aw, chill prays-- I was just joking. I think they're all scounderels....I don't think Republicans know what they believe as far as health care goes, they just oppose Obama.
And Eric-- agreed, they're supposed to represent their people-- that's the way it's supposed to work.
"Eric maybe they are doing what THIER constituents want. That is who they represent not you."
Yeah, my representative is a Tea Party member. When I write or email him about issues, he never fails to remind me that it is obvious I didn't vote for him.
The Democrats that voted for the repeal KNOW that the bill is dead on arrival in the Senate. They can now say to their constituants that they are also voting to repel ACA. That takes away a talking point in the election debates.
The Democrats who voted for the repel are not going to cast a meaningful vote to repel.
The Republican House is discusting to the American public. They know that they can't repel any portion of the ACA but they keep trying. ie wasting time.
But what you're saying is that all these dopes are playing politics. They're interested in nothing more than reelection. Not one of them is interested in doing as their conscience leads...assuming any of them, on either side of the aisle, has one.
Our system is broken. They all stink.
I agree! Shot off an e-mail to Jim Matheson .. His father was a true Democrat and one to be proud of. He (Jim) is just wearing a blue shirt with a red heart.
When GOP yells REPEAL AND REPLACE! What are they going to REPLACE it with?
NOTHING...
Obamacare 2: The Return of Romneycare...
Tort reform only..........which they tried in Texas.......and guess what......it didn't lower health care costs.......
Total Fail !!!!!!
Watch Rep. Al Green's speech from this morning. He will show you what they are replacing it with.
They will replace Obama-care with Romney-care .. oh wait ... Romney-care is what Obama-care was called before Obama decided to use the republican model ... ah ... a ...
Here's an idea: Let's waste the people's time by voting to repeal something that everybody would love! A Republican Health Care Bill.... erm... Make that Obamascare... Then we'll tell them it's the President's fault there are no jobs bills - but we won't tell them the Constitution says that's OUR job and not HIS...
Then we'll tell them Government spending is bad, unless it's for 2 Land Wars in Asia (which Vizzini says is the greatest blunder in history, but we don't believe him)... and then we'll just tell them that WE really know how to create jobs, even though we haven't tried to for the last 2 years - unless they're bills with something about abortion in them...
Then we'll ask for his Birth Certificate again!
How does a bill passed by the government create private sector jobs?
It just did! The IRS, the one government agency that everyone loves so much, will be hiring 16,000 new people to oversee the penalties portion of the program. If you think that creating federal government jobs is of any benefit to our country, I have oceanfront property in Arizona to sell you.
For those of you who believe that "everyone" loves this abortion, think again: I don't!
Come on, people, use that pimple on top of your shoulders and think!!!!!!
Tell me what this bill will cost you!
Skup: Evidently a Bill cutting taxes passed by Bush was supposed to create jobs. Evidently bills cutting spending are supposed to create jobs. Bills allowing offshore oil-drilling are supposed to create jobs...
Evidently only GOP bills create jobs, while the same bills sponsored by Dems don't...
Oh seriously, and job that pays an income that enables a person to go buy goods from the private sector DOES help create jobs. A job that puts money into the pockets of people who need to buy things with it DOES create jobs for everyone. And yes, public sector jobs are real jobs...well, maybe not to the CEO of a private company. I guess he thinks his is the only important or real job. Interesting spin, but that won't work either.
It will cost me nothing as I already have insurance and don't rely on the taxpayers to pay my hospital bills. If you do the same, it won't cost you anything, but it will save you a ton of money not having to pay for people who refuse to get insurance. Any other questions?
Again, when all the taxes on providers, etc and all the mandates are in place, insurance and direct pays have to go up. Does anyone really think insurance companies are not going to charge more for added kids under 26 or for increases medical device taxes?
That is the point not everybody would love it just because you do. I am so tired of every flaming liberal purporting to speak for me. I do like some of PPACA. I think it leaves too many people out in the cold. And it demands from some people a moral quandry. We will not comply with the HHS mandate because we cannot. Of course the HHS mandate is in direct conflict with the law it is supposed to enforce. Especially section 1303 sec 3 and sec 3b1 of the law the President signed. So if you love this law than enforce it as written.
Who do you think does the construction on highways, power grids, sewers, water treatment plants, high speed internet, retrofitting schools and all the other projects the government funds? If you guessed government workers, you'd be wrong...PRIVATE CONTRACTORS! HIRING PRIVATE CITIZENS FOR THEIR PRIVATE COMPANIES, earning tax dollars which are returned to the communities with their increased consumption (spending), creating additional demand for products and services thereby requiring more private companies to increase production to meet the increased demand. I'm sure you're familiar with "supply side economics". A healthy economy is actually driven by the "demand side" of the economy. No jobs...no demand...no economy. Just the extremely wealthy getting richer with their foreign investments deposited to their Swiss bank accounts.
lulu98
And what do you think it cost you to pay for the 30-40 million people who don't have insurance now. Their medical bills are added to your insurance cost. Which is why health care cost the U.S. 18% of GDP. The next highest % by a country is 12%. If you add your older kids, you pay for them, just like your younger ones.They are not added for free! The Insurance co.'s cannot increase their rates unless they can prove they need the increase and it's based on a formula. Not because they want to make more profits off sick people, which they do now. You need to read, so you understand the changes.
"How does a bill passed by the government create private sector jobs?"
Not to mention folks to work in the healthcare industry, nurses, nurse practitioners, physicians' assistants, physicians, psychologists and other mental health professionals, folks to build the community health centers, additional people to staff the CHCs and clinics. Not to mention the increases in people to work in the insurance industry. And when all these people have work, they buy goods and services that allow other people to make a living.
Florida native...
If medical attention will still be required by emergency rooms for uninsured patients and the penalties assessed for not having health insurance are so low with the likelyhood of not even pursuing legal action whatever would possess many of the currently uninsured (without known medical issues) to pay several hundred $/month to have insurance? Unless you have exceptional coverage their will still be deductables, copays and the possability of restrictions on tests allowed.
@tjk. I have read most of it. I did not say I do not want all to have insurance but this is not the way. Some of our costs are high because the government makes deals with pharma not to negotiate drug costs for gov run programs, over drug use, over doctor use. I know people who take their kid to the dr for simple sniffles. None of the law will stop any of that. The bill is too big and the expected 170000 pages of regs to support will just be impossible. And I do not believe costs will be contained. Wish it were so.
Yes. When will I start saving a ton of money?
I, too, will continue to purchase the insurance I currently have, but I hear that for some reason, private insurance companies are going to need to raise their rates quite a bit as a result of this health care law. Is that true? Because I wouldn't doubt for a second that those behind this bill planned on that happening, which would corner (not force - let's not say it the way it is now) Americans into switching to the nat'l healthcare program. Would this cause private insurance companies go out of business and allow the government to monopolize on healthcare? Just curious. Will I really be saving a ton of money? When? Can I get this in writing, along with a cash-backed guarantee?
lulu....boy are you out in Right field...If you Had read ANY of the bill, you would know the "170,000 pages" is a lie. Where do You get your propaganda?.. fox? You need to read more, watch less Fox turn off Limbaugh, disconnect Hannity and stop drinking sooooo much TEA.
Don't listen to fox. Not tea party . Think they are out of touch just like you. The regs that follow are going to be horrendous. Sorry you have drunk the leftie cool aid. I am an independent who will not follow the party proganda. Try to think, discern the realities.
there is no nat'l healthcare offered by the US. the ACA only makes it affordable to purchase health insurance from providers.
as well as a couple hundred pages of other stuff :)
gone4now, if your provider didn't pay out, I believe the number is 80% in health-care payments, you will be getting a refund in the mail next month. One of the provisions in the bill says insurance companies must pay out 80% in services (or is it 85%?). Anyways, this is written into the law so the CEO's wouldn't be paid 10's of millions of dollars. Something that is needed I don't hear much about is about all those worthless ads telling you to tell your doctor you need this drug or that, but you should tell your doctor if you have any of the dozens of ailments you may have that your doctor should already know about. That might just lower the prescription costs a bit.
Bob, that lie was debunked a long time ago. Look it up at politifact.com
what a massive waste of time
massive waste of time = massive waste of the people's tax dollars on salaries for ninny's who can't accept the reform they don't like and refuse to stop saying "noooooo..."
Taxpayer, I guess that is a example of GOP fiscal responsibility.
Nothing to see here. Move along.
Ignorance is bliss so they say - well the GOP must have an awful lot of BLISS !!!!!
frinton, excellent post!
Remember how all these Republican losers got elected about JOBS? And what have the DONE? Nothing, just bitch and moan.
I thought jobs was why obama was elected?
....."these Republicans" were overwhelmingly elected in the 2010 mid term election because Pelosi, Reid and Obama passed a health care law that the majority of Americans were not happy with!!! This law IS the reason the jobs won't come back........get it kev?
Fish: Obama got elected to keep us from getting "Bomb bomb bomb...bomb bomb iran" McCain and Annie Oakley to get us into a THIRD land war in Asia.
The GOP's solution: Blow @!$%# up, then pay to fix it.
EZduhzit: Um...most people like all the pieces of Healthcare Reform - especially since they are GOP PROPOSALS... the GOP is just trying to convince Americans to "pay no attention to the reforms we proposed in the 1990s" or "the healthcare bill we passed in Massachusetts that EVERYONE there loves."
No, ez, we don't get it because that isn't the truth. Your post is full of nonsense. The only reason my small business might be able to hire finally is the ACA, actually, so you spin all you want...reality just isn't following your spin.
Ram, thanks for saying that. Finally hear from a small business owner, and not the lies from the floor of the House of Congress.
And actually the MAJORITY of Americans say they want detractors to STOP trying to repeal the law and move on to other business. See here: http://healthreform.kff.org/Public-Opinion.aspx
So do you think your grandfather or all the members of your family are now in control of his health? Do you think any private health insurer is going to offer you carte blanche control over your level of health care?
Time to stop living in a fantasy world and return to reality Peter Pan.
Tell your grandfather that nothing has changed. Government does not get in between patients and doctors.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/jul/09/mitt-romney/health-law-puts-government-between-patients-and-do/
Fred, what about now. The insurance companies deny test and coverage all the time now. Have for years. The doctor wouldn't order a test for me, in his words, the insurance will not pay for it. Maybe if they would have, and I got that scan, they would have found my cancer 2 years before they did. Is that mal practice on part of the doctor? NO...I blame the insurance company. I thought it was needed, the doctor thought it was needed, but the insurance company didn't. Under my understanding from READING the bill, the patient and doctor have more power in the treatment.
repub health plan.....the tea party death panel......"Let them die" .....so there is a death panel...teabagger health coverage.
WOW, Good to know that all is so well well in America today, that this is the only thing for them to do. Perhaps later in the week they could make Santa and the Easter Bunny agree to come around more often, or grant everyone an extra week off, as we all must have too much money by now.
Next time you ask how China is getting ahead, remember this day, when the house had nothing better to do.
Later this week they will pass another anti abortion bill. Oh wait this is their working week. They better hurry. They will be leaving Friday for a month vacation.
This is exactly why the republicans have no chance of being elected in November, this is the best they got!! Idiots.
Uh, genius .... you are AWARE that about 60% of all U.S. citizens oppose Obamacare. You libtards seem to think you will "mop the floor" with your 40% or less ?? Epic fail, John.
"you are AWARE that about 60% of all U.S. citizens oppose Obamacare."
Really? Well, here's a listing of current and historical polling on healthcare reform. http://www.pollingreport.com/health.htm See if you can find any poll on any demographic (other than only Republicans) that shows 60% are against it. You can't. Most polls show a pretty even split with a number of folks undecided still.
And the more people find out about it, the more they like it. Must suck for you Jim. HAHA!
jim ... troller that you are ... you are AWARE that the majority of this country that are benefitting from the ACA don't even know that they are? Preventative healthcare exams ... COVERED .... Kids in college ... COVERED! Don't go spewing facts unless you actually can prove a point.
jim-1455434, you're suspended for a day for violating #1 of the Code of Honor.
Finally, a bipartisan vote on Obamacare. Democrats don't like it either. Wait until the states start running up taxes and reducing services. Then every Democrat in the Senate is going to be run out of the country.
Wow, that was fast. Check my post at 4.6. The talking points move faster than expected.
Clotho, I saw that and was waiting too...lol. Nice, Jamie!!! Democrats generally just wanted it to go farther, and you are seriously making things up if you think that "Democrats" don't like it.
Jamie...what you putting in that "TEA"?? My lone Utah Democrat voted with the Rep/Teas only because he is out gunned in this state of Happy Valley...Think Prozacs, BIG unpaid for family's, last in the nation when it comes to $ per student education, land of magic undies, can"t get a drink, but can buy any gun any time ya all want...easy and carry it anywhere(but church) you want to. He wants to keep His JOB. BTW...Where are the JOBS the Teas promised in 2010?
All of this and I was a member! Of Both! Go figure.
It was an almost totally symbolic vote except everyone who did not vote for repeal voted for tax.
Nice spin again. So guess that personal responsibility doesn't matter now that this is about buying healthcare if you can afford it?
Only tax is the people that can afford to get insurance and don't. They should pay a tax. I for one tired of paying their bills when they go to the emergency room....Aren't you tired of that?
I'm with you Dale. Screw free riders like fish.
I agree with many here that the Republicans might be committing political suicide. At the very least they are deepening the divide and motivating their opposition. A lot of people have benefitted from the health care law though being able to get insurance and through having their premiums reduced.
It's important to remember that so many presidents have tried to do something like this because our extreme health care costs make us less competitive and create a barrier to hiring.
The best thing that could happen to this country would be to vote anyone who has Republican after their name out of office. Then maybe, just maybe, we could begin to bring the middle class back by securing jobs which pay livable wages to the citizens of the United States. If there is truth to "all men are created equal," then let "all men" pay the same percentage on all of their wages to social security! If this is truly the "United States of America," then the middle class needs to unite and put a Congress to work who will support the President and quit vetoing everything the man wants to do! I pay for my own health care and it in no way is comparable to the Congress of the United States. It is hardly affordable now, and each year it increases. Keep health care, vote out Republican representatives!!!!!
The Repugnants do compromise the Do Nothing Congress. What a bunch of disgusting, lock step Gestapo like losers. And I love their followers; Running after that carrot on a stick so that maybe someday they too can be part of the one percent.
It was the second time since Republicans took control of the House in 2010 that the House has voted to repeal the law. Those votes are likely to be featured in campaign ads this fall.
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Now bother with the WHOLE truth. It was the thirty-first attack on the bill, in whole or in part, every one of which Harry Reid has refused to allow to come to the Senate floor for either debate or voting. Who is the obstructionist?
And repeal of this tax boondoggle is necessary for the recovery of the economy, which is necessary for jobs to increase. Repeal of obamascare is a "JOBS" bill.
The whole truth? That the CBO has estimated repealing the ACA will increase the federal deficit by $230 billion the first decade and even more after that? How does Orange Julius Boehner justify that?
http://www.tnr.com/blog/jonathan-cohn/80967/breaking-cbo-confirms-repeal-stuff-you-wont
And the same CBO says obamascare will cost 1.7 trillion (almost eight times as much) perr year.
Dawn, this isn't a tax boondoggle unless you feel that people who can afford healthcare shouldn't have to pay for it. I don't want to pay for those who suddenly find they need me to help them because they didn't want to buy health care. This isn't about most people paying taxes at all, but nice spin.
Please Dawn, explain to us idiots that have health insurance how we will be "taxed". Since I am paying for your healthcare when you go to the hospital, and now you will have to pay it yourself, my effective rate will go down because deadbeats (like you) who can afford healthcare but choose not to buy it will now have to!
See, it's really a tax saver for most of us.
And, let's give Mittens his due-
He created this excellent healthcare program, and it should rightfully be called RomneyCare!
Dawn.....
The Teas have had over 18 months to "create jobs" but "NO, NO, NO" They have to waste time voting again and again and again on a bill they know will never see the light of day. BTW AND ACA has been ruled on by the High court..it IS Constitutional....so Get Over It allready...what a bunch of cry Babies!
You know that's how the Republicans roll. It's easy to say No. Republican Majority Committee present new jobs bill. Play around a little bit. Then Vote No. There is no problem for the GOP Party. The cost of voting No is $90K that equals $10K per letter for Obamacare.
You are right, the 31st time this has come up for vote in whole or part, and Sen. Reid has not allowed it to come to the floor of the Senate...Thank Goodness for that. He doesn't want to show that the whole Congress is stupid. This is only a tax if you don't get insurance or you use the tanning beds. YOUR INCOME TAX WILL NOT GO UP!!!!!!!!
Dawn -
No, sorry. "CBO and JCT now estimate that the insurance coverage provisions of the ACA will have a net cost of just under $1.1 trillion over the 2012–2021 period—about $50 billion less than the agencies’ March 2011 estimate for that 10-year period" found here: http://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/files/cbofiles/attachments/03-13-Coverage%20Estimates.pdf
That's TOTAL for 10 years, not per year. You guys aren't so good at math, are you?
The latest estimate, as the chart details, is that Obamacare will cost $2.6 trillion dollars in its first real decade. The bill does not fully go into effect until 2014, therefore the estimate begins with that year.
"President Obama promised a joint session of Congress in 2009 to spend $900 billion over ten years on his health care law: 'Now, add it all up, and the plan that I’m proposing will cost around $900 billion over 10 years.' Adding up all the different spending provisions in the health care law, however, (including closing the Medicare 'donut hole,' implementation costs, and other spending) total gross spending over the FY 2010–19 period is about $1.4 trillion, based on CBO estimates," the Senate Budget Committee Republican staff explains. "And most of the major spending provisions in the law do not even take effect until 2014. Congressional Democrats delayed these provisions in order to show only six years of spending under the plan in the original 10-year budget window (from FY2010-19) used by CBO at the time the law was enacted. Therefore, the original estimate concealed the fact that most of the law’s spending only doesn’t even begin until four years into the 10-year window. A Senate Budget Committee analysis (based on CBO estimates and growth rates) finds that that total spending under the law will amount to at least $2.6 trillion over a true 10-year period (from FY2014–23)—not $900 billion, as President Obama originally promised."
Maybe not but Republicans sure are good at lying.
You see Dawn because Mr Reid realizes that all the abortion crap that the GOP has passed under the guise of jobs bills won't be signed by President Obama. So why waste the time with that garbage when we as a country have so many more pressing things to tend to? Mr. Boener on the other hand doesn't quite get the fact that he is wasting our time and money with his BS votes on this. Move on already for christs sake!
So they stomped their tiny feet, and wrinkled up their little faces, and cried, cried, cried, "Unfair. We don't want to play no more?" Get over it. Grow up. Get on with establishing a healt hcare climate that the world will envy. The basis is the Affordable Care Act. Time to move on!
Well said! We can and should be looking to the future.
A future of national bankruptcy because Obamacare is another government-run boondoggle our nation cannot afford ? We are already $16 trillion dollar$ in debt ! Last year'$ deficit was about $1.3 trillion. Obamacare will only accelerate the annual deficits. Did you ever have a basic course in accounting or economics ?
and don't forget - "the sky is falling....the sky is falling chicken little" that's what you all sound like - more scare tactics and fear mongering - it'll cost too much, death panels, blah blah blah. no one is listening - give it up
Were you this concerned about deficits when your boy Ronnie was quadrupling the national debt Jim?
What is this biil going to cost you, does anybody know, not what it gives other, what will it cost you? Can you afford it? Do you get any breaks, are you willing to pay for everybody else who can't pay?
bubaaaa give it a rest already. The "bill" has Already lowered the rates of my family and a lot of friends.
Some of them do not get insurance with their jobs, so they pay the full premiums...and they say they have gone down as well this year.
So bubba, stop with the chest thumping and the stuck record you seem to be on...Its getting old.
It will actually save me money since I won't have to pay for my insurance company picking up the tab for your free loading ass anymore.
still don't know much about "Obamacare" BUT what I DO KNOW is that they are wasting WAY TOO MUCH TIME voting to repeal it, INSTEAD of doing other important things, like jobs bills, and such...seriously, stop trying to repeal the damn thing and DO SOME REAL WORK INSTEAD!!!
ahhh but you miss the point - this IS exactly what the repUbs and teabaggers set out to do and this is all they have done and will continue to do - NOTHING - absolutely nothing except block everything the President was and is trying to accomplish. they are all self serving fear mongering scum and this just proves more of the same
Wow, The House is doing something - er a maybe not. The "Do Nothing Congress" lead by Tanorexic Boehner have NOTHING to show their constituents as accomplishments since being elected. Tobacco skin Boehner better go back to work as a highly paid Lobbyist this fall, because zero impact on Legislation will not get him reelected.
Boehner is elected, he has no one running against him in the general election. Which should be a crime.
What about jobs issues?
Lift up Harry Reid's gluteus maximus and you will find numerous House-passed bills to help stimulate jobs.
@jim....LOL...what a joke, not one bill to create real jobs have come out of the House of Crongress.
jim...can you come up with something else? The party of NO is just playing games and you people buy into it.
Wow do we need more money for schools...you can be the poster-boy. LOL
Attention GOP members of the House of Reps: You don't like the Affordable Care Act. We get it. A symbolic vote to repeal it is fine. 33 votes to repeal it is merely a child's temper tantrum. Put on your big boy pants and man up! Want to get rid of it so badly? Then try coming up with something to replace it, something substantial you can spell out and make the case for. Then make that case. Governing is hard work and takes adults to do it; stop acting like spoiled children who didn't get their way.
This vote was an embarrassment to the GOP, so they're trying to downplay it. They scheduled it back when they were positive the Supreme Court would strike down the individual mandate. This vote was intended to "mop up" the remaining law. Now that the law is Constitutional, they ended up looking even more petulant and foolish than usual.
Might be an embarrassment to the GOP but my employer told all his employees that we will be loosing our company provided healthcare, thanks to Obamacare. I think I'll just pay the fine each year and if something happens, jump right on some insurance plan, they have to take me but I won't be paying in prior to that.
Look Jim is the genius cause he watches Fox news that tells it how it is so they claim which is actually false news they. tell instead.
ey should have give back all the cost that 30 repeal debates and wasted time they have done after they already voted three tmes for the repeal so many times makes them look like idiots which they sure must be. DOCK THEIR PAY !!
dodger...sorry to hear that , is it Wall-mart? The thing is your employer will also be fined/taxed.
So all it is is another GOP scare tactic. Sorry you work for a jerk.
Non profit worker it is you who need to put on your big boy pants and here's a list the Greatone and the dems have not lived up to. In Obamas own words he said:
The American Recovery and Investment Act would create 3.5 million jobs at a cost of $800 billion plus of taxpayer money. Guess what? It was a FAILURE.
He said unemployment would be at 7.25% by the end of 2010 and 5.6% by mid 2012. Laughable isn't it. We haven't come close and the fact is the unemployment rate was 7.6% when Obama took office.
He said he would cut the deficit in half during his first term not add $5 trillion to it which is, by the way, more than any president in our history. I guess he's going to have to pull you out of his a** to get it in half within 3 months.
I could go on and on but you get the picture. We can put out fact after fact while all you can do is to blame Bush and the republicans. Which reminds me, it was the democrats who took control of Congress in 2007 and then when Odumbo was elected you had the Super Majority for 2 years and got absolutely nothing done. Which is why the AMERICAN people took the House from you in 2010.
While I'm at it put down the pipe and whatever it is you're smoking. There have been businesses already that has said they will no longer provide insurance or will or have already cut jobs. Read Obama Care and you will see it is full of taxes. I don't how you completely senseless fools can say Obama Care is good when it will cost us more job loss. I'm beginning to believe McDonalds when they see they aren't the reason for obesity. Its because we have fat a** lazy people who have decided they think they are to be supported by those who actually work.
bobs ur uncle instead of rambling start giving facts about what Odumbo and the dems have done. I got you started with facts they haven't done so lets see if you can up with just one thing they have done to turn the economy around or create jobs. Gonna be kind of hard when there are democrats that don't even believe his lies anymore.
TC - congrats!!! You get a gold star for watching 40 hours of fox news per week, good for you.
You might want to check your definitions of deficit and debt however, I think you may be confused. Debt is the total money that we owe, deficit it the amount that we add to the debt every year. Believe it or not they are different words and have different meanings.
But don't worry just because you look like an idiot at one point in your post, I'm sure everyone will buy the rest of the crap your selling.
"The American Recovery and Investment Act .....was a FAILURE."
Except economists disagree with you. http://www.epi.org/blog/recovery-act-evidence-success-three-year-anniversary/
"He said unemployment would be at 7.25% by the end of 2010 and 5.6% by mid 2012"
Could you provide a credible source for this? And by the way, unemployment was at 7.8% in January 2009 when Obama took office. It's 8.2% now.
"Super Majority for 2 years"
No, only for about 6 months.
"There have been businesses already that has said they will no longer provide insurance or will or have already cut jobs."
Then they'll pay a fine, and their employees will be eligible for the exchanges.