Some states have even offered to send employees to people's homes to make a photo ID on the spot...and were told that's not a good enough solution.

Maybe I'll make a stink at the polls this year when I'm asked for my ID, as I'm asked every single year. My vote makes no difference in Connecticut anyway...a state where having a (D) after one's name is like a magnet for government union and urban votes.

Really. They're gonna tell the state of Texas how they should run their polls. Likening this to discrimination is a stretch. It's to ensure legal voting, not to keep blacks from voting. Whats with the statistics? More white's have ID's than blacks. OK, why? Is it because blacks are all victims and are incapable of obtaining legitimate photo ID's. Because that's the card that is played every time. Blacks are victims of circumstance. They can't help that they don't have photo ID's. I'm sick of hearing the victim card. We all fall under the same rules. If the rules are the same for everyone, and certain people struggle with them, then the problem isn't with the rules.

I think black people should be offended by the fact that they constantly have to be painted as victims. Why don't we as a nation show confidence in black people, and stop making laws geared around the idea that they are all victims. We keep treating black people like they're victims, the more likely they are to act the part of the victim. I've heard enough of the victim card. Equal laws for everyone. If the law is equally applied to everyone, then stop pulling out statistics that say that life is harder for black people therefore the law is unfair for them. Because it's simply not true.

John...

I agree. I would like to see one black leader...and I don't mean an ambulance chaser like Jessie Jackson or Al Shapton...stand up and show offense at blacks being treated like a helpless group of children. It simply must be impossible for them to get a needed ID card.

Bill Cosby is about the only guy I can think of who has the nads to do it. Only problem with him is that the ultra-libs do not like him...he is far too honest in his opinions in a time where we need honesty but cannot seem to find it or appreciate it when it is found.

Alan W -- Seriously?! Any civil rights issue MUST be enforced at the federal level. Some (not all) of the voter ID laws are on par with Jim Crow voting tests that were used to suppress the black vote, and poll taxes used to suppress votes from the poor. Holy cow, if such things were left to the states, who knows if/when women would have the right to vote in some of these Red states, let alone an end to slavery. Get real!

Asking for an ID at the polls is a "civil rights issue" ??? What a nation of moaners we have become.

not only moaners but effin idiots to boot!

The Federal government needs to enforce the constitution. That's what it does. It doesn't need to go imposing ideals brought about by crusaders with a bone to pick. We can't let fanatics and special interest run the nation. The Federal government needs to grow a back bone and stand up to the noisy minority for the sake of the quieter majority.

True Pat -

Jim Crow laws.....

Ok, I will bite -

Name me one in recent memory Jim Crow type law based on suppressing the black vote.

While you are trying to do that, let me remind you that it is currently 2012, and that everybody currently has the right to vote, assuming they are a citizen and of age to vote. Yes, a couple of exceptions to that exist - for instance, felons.

Speaking of, would you not consider the prevention of people 17 voting is discriminatory, or not letting felons vote once they are released is discriminatory? Or is your concern for disenfranchising people limited to probable democratic voters?

Holder is a real joke !

and so is his boss.

both leaving soon

the race card is so 2008

Who was it that said the voter id laws were about Romney winning the presidency on camera?

Just like the case of one very old black woman who has voted every election since she was given the vote. She was denied because she had her birth certificate but did not have a copy of her marriage licence which would cost her money to get, which is a poll tax, which is hard on the poor.

We get it, republicans can't win on their ideals. They have to suppress the vote and then pretend we live in a democracy.

Deny 700,000 people to vote in one state to combat the chance of maybe 1 or 2 illegal votes. Sounds like a free democracy to me.

Sorry...the 'occupy' tag kind of says it all.

The disgraced first black AG speaking to an audience that still believes that the black race should be compensated for what happened to their forefathers over a decade ago and getting standing ovations is just comical. The Texas chapter of this imbecilic group is suing the State for sponsoring our State Lottery (that generates hundreds of millions of dollars towards our education system) on the grounds that it unfairly has poor blacks spending way to much money on buying lotto tickets; In other words, the NAACP is saying Black consumers don't know better than to waste their income on these longshot get rich schemes and therefore nobody else should either.

Americans first don't you have an anti child sex trafficking conference or something to attend to?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002826143

Occupy Oakland protests anti-child sex trafficking conference

What facts, Americans First? We're all waiting for you to present just one, instead of regurgitating DNC nonsense. And, the reason for Europe's austerity policies is real simple - they're friggin' broke. You can't spend money that you don't have....uh, unless your name is Obama and you can just pick up the phone and have your toady Bernanke print some more for you.

So what's next? The Holder and the Obama DOJ making voter registration illegal because it is inconvenient and disenfranchises minorities??? The court better be very careful about this slope they're about to slide down. At what point, does this ridiculous "disenfranchisement" argument end???

As anybody heard of the Voters' Right Act of 1965? Or the 15th Amendment to the U.S Constitution? You know that document you like to "pick and choose" what you want to enforce? Your ignorance is on display more and more everyday..

In Texas, we must have a picture ID to do anything, including opening a checking account, cashing a check, picking up a prescription at the pharmacy and the list goes on. The accusations that it is to keep minorities from voting is just bull. We would, however, like to stop the dead from voting. And it's odd that they always vote for democrats.

Linda, just how many dead people have voted in Texas? Can you back up your assertions?

Gawd Teapublicans, Bush v Gore wasn't enough for you? Just try winning an election based merit, just once.

Unless I am reading this wrong, what he is inferring, but not directly stating, is that he (Holder) thinks all minorities are to STUPID to vote. I mean after all, if they are to stupid to obtain a photo ID, I suppose he could be right!

Or, maybe he thinks the the "Majority" is too corrupt to trust. Could be right.

Fielden, here is one:

http://www.texaswatchdog.org/2008/10/dead-voters-still-registered-in-harris-county/

Brad Cantor...and just what does the requirement to show a photo ID -- an ID which the state will provide AT NO COST -- have to do with either the VRA or 15th Amendment? That is unless you think that discriminates against the hundreds of known dead people who voted in our May primary alone, or the "extra" voters in the 18 counties in Texas that have more people registered to vote than the counties’ entire voting-age population.

As for the number of people the DOJ claim it would potentially hurt, director of the elections division for the Texas secretary of state Brian Ingram and his wife were both on the DOJ list. Only problem with that was...they both have valid driver's licenses. The DOJ has no clue what their arguing about or how many would even be potentially affected (have to go get a FREE voter ID).

John Doe,

Because they already DO tell Texas how to run their polls. Texas cannot redistrict their voting districts without court approval due to unethical attempts to disfranchise minority voters in the past. They are only one of I think two states ever to be placed under this requirement.

Does this sound familiar?

tony-268769

Asking for an ID at the polls is a "civil rights issue" ???

Please educate yourself about the Voters Right Act in 1965, to enforce the fifteenth amendment to the Constitution. And then the definition of civil rights:

civil rightsplural of civ·il rights

Noun:

The rights of citizens to political and social freedom and equality.

If we made folks like you take a test, then you wouldn't be able to vote.

Fielden, Brian Ingram, director of the elections division for the Texas secretary of state testified under oath yesterday that there were known to be hundreds of dead people who voted just in our May primaries.

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TruePatriot, seeing as how there is virtually no difference between getting one form of ID or another -- in Texas' case they provide photo voter ID AT NO COST -- then you are against the requirement to show voter registration also...or any ID...correct? Just walk up anywhere and vote. One can go online to their county's appraisal district website, get some names for each voting district and cast however many ballots one wants, right??? Hey, why not? The more votes the merrier, right?

Mike in SA

Right from wikipedia:

The Voting Rights Act of 1965 (42 U.S.C. §§ 1973–1973aa-6)^[1] is a landmark piece of national legislation in the United States that outlawed discriminatory voting practices that had been responsible for the widespread disenfranchisement of African Americans in the U.S.^[2]

Pigotry, you are resorting to mud slinging because you have no intelligent offerings.

STOP THE BICKERING......................

Ultraviolet iridescent ink pads

Does not show with out proper light unlike the Iraqi woman holding up her purple middle finger
[was that look at me or F---- You]

This was done at the Hemisphere and Six Flags over Texas back in the 1960's.
[no in stamp - changed daily] no reentry.

So after voting, right thumb of the pad.

Before voting show your right thumb under the light.

Oh, nearly forgot, that the stuff sticks around for a few days [biodegradable] but can not be washed off or removed.

THE END --- of voting fraud.

NOTE: the current issue is about registration fraud not the voting.

Mike in SA -- Try reading all my posts, and you'll see I believe registration to vote is where we need to be most vigilant.

And if the rightwing was really interested in voting integrity, then they wouldn't mind foreign monitoring, ink on the finger, or other measures that would make our system a better model for the rest of the world. Oh but that would ruin all the shenanigans with electronic machines, hanging chads, selectively purging voter rolls, heck all the way back to the beginning of voter suppression -- gerrymandering!

Seems reasonable that if you need to produce an ID to drive, buy cigarettes, cash a check, open a bank account, test drive a vehicle, or purchase alcohol, etc..., THEN YOU SHOULD NEED TO PRODUCE ONE TO CAST A VOTE. If not then we shouldn't need an ID for anything...

Southerners have had a long history of using states' rights to justify disturbing stuff.

Tony, There are strong black leaders who see the enslaving of blacks of today. Star Parker, Republican columnist, writer, politician and speaker from California. One of the books she has written is Uncle Sam's Plantation, explaining how the social services given to blacks indiscriminately is creating a new form of slavery. Too bad she, and others like her do not get the notice they deserve. But, people always go where they get something "free". Just like the poor fools who thought that Obama was going to pay their electric bills and gave out all of their personal information to schemers.

The Texas voter ID law is just to prevent illegal immigrants and underage students from voting, it is not targeted at any racial group, just non eligible voters. I went to college late in life and was still in school when Obama ran for President. There were plenty of under 18 students who would have gladly voted illegally to vote for the first "black" President. One I knew personally was only 16. A student ID does nothing to prove age or citizenship, a library card would be as good.

I don't think that Texas is concerned about the black population voting as much as the illegals from the other side of fence voting for the Democrats, which our President and AG would like to use to get re-elected.

As has been noted above due to serious, even deadly, actions that were prevalent in certain states the Voting Rights Act of 1965 was implement to outlaw discriminatory voting practices that were aimed at disenfranchising black voters.

Certain states that were particularly notorious for these actions are subject to what is known as “Section 5” of the act. This section requires that the United States Department of Justice, through an administrative procedure, or a three-judge panel of the United States District Court for the District of Columbia, through a declaratory judgment action "preclear" any attempt to change “any voting qualification or prerequisite to voting, or standard, practice, or procedure with respect to voting..." in any "covered jurisdiction."

Texas is one of those states with such a history and so cannot unilaterally make a change. Holder know this and now so do you.

314159 That is a very logical statement you made in 1.39 and I agree whole-heartedly. I also like the sound of the ink on the thumb suggestion from above. Whatever it takes to be certain that only eligible people are voting and no zombies are wandering around adding extra votes to the ballot box(long dead people fraudulently voting from the grave with the help of scumbags)

Yeah, Holder is playing politics but at what cost. Get as many illegal voters to the poles as possible, who cares if they are a US citizen. I live in Texas and I am all for this ID requirement. Black voters or hispanics. This does not deter them from voting, all they have to be is American Citizens!. Make a whole lot of sense to me!

"I would like to see one black leader...and I don't mean an ambulance chaser like Jessie Jackson or Al Shapton...stand up and show offense at blacks being treated like a helpless group of children. It simply must be impossible for them to get a needed ID card.

Bill Cosby is about the only guy I can think of who has the nads to do it."

Tony, a couple others come to mind: Colin Powell and Condoleezza Rice (Condi has the backbone, which I believe is your meaning)...

Steven Rocco,

Nice try, NAZI stands for National Socialism. What party is trying to Socialize things? Who is telling you what size of sodas to buy, banning light bulbs, banning trans fat, going into schools and checking brown bag lunches... Just created a TAX for socialized medicine... The food stamp president is really concerned with your taxes...

Geowil, just think for a second.

Why does that seem wrong?

If people are elected by the majority vote, then this is probably why the minority vote loses. Because they are in the minority. I doubt that has much to do with "evil redistricting", and more to do with the fact the the majority of Texans still vote Republican, and the childish crying democrats can't wrap their minds around that concept.

Still this has little to do with requiring voters to have a photo I.D. Or the NAACPs efforts to impose their will on Texas voters. But distracting people with irrelevant information when you realize that your argument has failed is a typical tactic of democrats.

Hmmm, you can't be forced to buy an ID but you can be forced to buy health insurance?

Nice try, you just ruined your own argument.

I don't get it. So now having to get an ID is somehow discrimination against minorities?!?!?! Why do 25% of blacks not have a damn id??? GET ONE! IT's not discrimination to say "Spend $10 and get a legal id". Heck most are offering to get them FREE if I read correctly? So is it going to be discrimination when more blacks don't have this new national healthcare because they cant afford it and its putting undue pressure on them? Are they going to get breaks then??? I'm losing my mind here. So telling someone they have to spend a few thousand a year is ok but they better not have to pony up $20 to get an ID that lasts years?!?!? Is there anything to see here other than the "First Black AG" grandstanding in front of a bunch of black people calling this jim crowesqe and a "poll tax". SERIOUSLY??

53,000 decesed registered voters in florida were found and flagged along with registered illegal aliens.

americans first--Don't you realize the policies that the republicans want to bring here are the same austerity policies that they went for in Europe and those countries are in double-dipped recessions.

i did not realize. what policies are they which you speak of?

There is absolutely NO reason for people like senior citizens, the poor or anyone else who doesn't have a state driver's lic. or some other form of ID with picture, can't receive a state ID at NO expense so they can vote. Holder is playing a game with this issue and the states should take care of their AMERICAN CITIZENS any way they can (free of charge) through roving "ID clinics" to make sure that they can vote or be identified when necessary. Certainly if they are citizens, they can prove it with help, perhaps, from kids or grand kids, ect.

Attorney General Eric Holder said Tuesday he opposes a new photo ID requirement in Texas elections because it would be harmful to minority voters.

And Fast and Furious would only deter them.

Actually no voter I.D. law can even come close to the damage Obama , Holder and the rest of the radical left wing socialist/ communist progressives have caused to minorities,(or what's left of the old Democratic party), in government, You think the name Bush is damaged goods ?, from now on when people go to vote and they start to think of the trillions upon trillions of dollars of debt these radicals have run up, pillaging the treasury in the middle of the night, with nothing to show for it except the number of their friends who have lined their pockets and the debt left for the taxpayers and their children, or the guns the Dems have allowed to be run to drug cartels by the thousands, that have already killed hundreds,(and those numbers are only going to go higher),and when the time came for those progressives to do their duty and hold (With) Holder , in contempt for not just failing to do his job, but obstructing justice, They insulted the family of a dead American Hero AND every American that depended upon them to do their duty,by arrogantly turning their backs and walking out, or the Lies they told to get their Healh Care Tax monstrosity scheme passed and now everybody knows they lied,(if anybody really had any doubt). Yes, the effects and aftertaste of this national disaster will last for decades, and everytime people look at "Democrats", they will still see the hard core Pelosi's or Reids, or Rangle"s, or one of the other criminal hangers on sitting in their safe districts, and it won't matter how good some up and coming "Democrat" is, They will be paying for the sins of their elders for the next generation.

TruePatriot (post 1.23)

Gawd Teapublicans, Bush v Gore wasn't enough for you? Just try winning an election based merit, just once.

Wait, you mean that election in 2000, when Gore decided he needed to demand recounts in just heavily democratic counties where he could manufacture more votes by counting dimpled chads. You mean Florida, where instead of demanding a state wide recount, using the same set of standards, Gore only demanded a recount in three counties, creating "chad" counting standards as they went along, with different standards in different counties? You mean THAT election? Florida, where Gore had hundreds of lawyers toss out Absentee Ballots from members of the Armed Forces because of minor discrepancies, votes he anticipated would be for Bush.

Try winning an election based on rules and legitimate votes instead of using illegal aliens, felons, and fraudulent absentee ballots just one.

NOBAMA 2012!

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"I don't know what will happen as this case moves forward, but I can assure you that the Justice Department's efforts to uphold and enforce voting rights will remain aggressive,"

That's not hard to figure out.  The Supreme Court has already ruled that state voter ID laws are valid, so Holder just thinks he can stall the issue until after the election, and hope he keeps his job.

The Supreme Court ruled on the issue in 2008, but I guess Holder is a little behind on his reading - here's the link;

http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/supreme_court_upholds_voter_id_law/

It seems to me, if Government at the state and national level,can make you participate in commerce by forcing everyone to get health care whether they want it or not, by calling it a tax,(now confirmed by the Supreme Court), Why couldn't a state,(and maybe later, if Republicans take over,at the national Government level also),force everyone of voting age to pay a ,"voters tax", whether they vote or not,to be collected by the I.R.S., and then be given a photo I.D. to show it was paid.Yes Dems, there are unintended consequences for every action, and You very well might have created a monster.

TruePatriot, There's not a whole lot of difference between a NO COST voter registration and a NO COST photo ID. The same argument can be made that even the act of registering to vote is onerous to minorities and therefore disenfranchises them. After all, voter registration rates for minorities are much lower than for whites, so that proves it, right? Ergo to keep minorities from being "disenfranchised" there should be no ID requirements, right?

What's ridiculous is that photo ID requirement was already found to be constitutional and non-discriminatory by the Supreme Court. Georgia also enacted one several years ago and since has seen record participation by minorities. The fact is the photo ID requirement as an anti-fraud device was encouraged by the 2005 report of the Commission on Election Reform on which none other than former President Jimmy Carter served as co-chairman as long as the photo ID card would be available to any voter for free...which it is.

Brad Cantor, I hate to blow your legal "mastermind", but just because there IS a VRA doesn't mean that the photo ID requirement violates it. In fact in 2008 the Supreme Court ruled 6-3 that Indiana's photo ID requirement did NOT violate the Constitution nor the VRA. Texas' ID law is almost exactly like Indiana's.

Don't you realize the policies that the republicans want to bring here are the same austerity policies that they went for in Europe and those countries are in double-dipped recessions.

You got it ass-backwards. The European countries were brought to their knees because of the entitlement states they became with ludicrous policies on vacation, pension, healthcare and lifetime "free stuff" to able-bodied, able-minded individuals that were unaffordable and unsustainable and have now forced these countries to adopt drastic spending cuts and austerity policies in an attempt to restore fiscal sanity to their economies.

I actually tend to think that a national ID card isn't such a bad idea, much like a passport but not as expensive and time consuming to obtain. Go to the post office, apply, prove who you are, get your picture taken and give a DNA sample, then wait for it to arrive in the mail. Everybody gets one even those who live in McMansions and have had a drivers license since they were 16. Bypass right-wing hoops and requirements as if they would go for that, they like the RMV or Gun shops to vouch for people.

Could you imagine the brouhaha if the federal government required that everyone carry a primary ID stating citizenship status, citizen, resident alien, tourist, etc. Talk about stepping on state rights.. I'm not sure of this but I don't think that even a US passport qualifies as ID in some states, in order to vote you got to play by their rules even if they have just been put in place as a heavy handed way to tilt the scales. The GOP should be ashamed of themselves.

TruePatriot, the Texas photo ID law was written with an exemption for the disabled, so you lose that argument. Also, Tarzai only stated the obvious. If photo ID ends Democratic Party hi-jinx in Pennsylvania then it will necessarily help Romney, but only by limiting the fraudulent voting by the Dems.

Here is an article on dead people voting in the State of Texas. Please note many vote in the Democratic Primary.

http://www.texaswatchdog.org/2008/10/dead-voters-still-registered-in-harris-county/

As for Holder stating that it would hurt people financially to attain a State ID...The cost is $16 dollars and reduced for Senior citizens.

http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/DriverLicense/dlfees.htm

As for Holders assertion that people had to travel to get the ID....He is an idiot...they can attain the State ID by going to any Texas DPS office...

http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/administration/driver_licensing_control/rolodex/search.asp

As a Texan....I would be the first to participate in a class action law suit against the AG for threatening to dilute my vote by allowing dead people, illegal immigrants and those who wish to vote under an assumed identity in my State.

If a person is unwilling to take $16 or $9 dollars and their personal information to a DPS office and stand up to claim their rights as an American Citizen and to embrace their own identity and unique persona then they probably don't bother to get their Voter Registration on their own either. If they do not protect their own ID with proof then they are just fools who will end up surrendering their rights to criminals who have no qualms about stealing their voice.

Perhaps that would be a wonderful gift for any child turning 18. Their parents standing up to celebrate their child's individual rights by taking them to the DPS along with the proper documents and $16 so their children can be counted as a legal citizen of the Untied States...as a right of passage. Perhaps we waive the fee for indigent elderly who wish to retain their own identity and voice in the State. The fact is it takes an effort to participate in the American Dream with regard to rights and responsibilities.

Texas's own data estimate that 600,000 registered voters do not have the necessary ID to vote and minorities are disproportionately represented in that estimate. Despite the potential disenfrachisement and no evidence of fraud presented to support the need for the ID law, the legislature went ahead and passed it. As for all the allegations of fraud posted on the vines this week, Bush's own people scoured the country for evidence of fraud and failed to find any of significance. Other credible research efforts have produced similar results. So in the best reading of the law, it helps all you Texans living in fear of non-existent/negligible voter fraud to be less afraid. But really, it's about voter suppression.

As txmom stated it costs $16 to buy an ID but she doesn't include all the other costs that hit the poor, elderly, disabled hardest. Recently, TX closed more than 1/4 of it's DL offices such that 81 counties no longer have DL offices. Try, TRY, to imagine you have no car and you're poor...maybe working a minimum wage job with no benefits or very old/disabled or have three young kids, etc...and now you (the registered voter) have to get a state-sanctioned ID to vote. So can you get off from work? Can you afford to get off? Will someone give you a ride, even to the next county? What if you fail on the first try and have to go back because of some paperwork issue? Who's going to watch the kids or must you take them with you?

I suspect you have to have been poor in order to understand the obstacles encountered everyday by this vulnerable population...to understand how this is one more hurdle that many may just not jump.

Then there's the type of IDs accepted, specifically, state representatives did not allow student IDs because non-citizens can have those...but you can use military IDs, but guess what? Non-citizens can be in the military too so com'on, at least be consistent (but then the military votes disproportionately Republican, right?).

txmom32, you missed something. Texas issues a photo voter ID for free...no $16...no cost at all.

pragmatist...I would be very interested to read the source material for your statement that 600,000 voters do not have the necessary ID to vote. Are you stating that they do not have a voter registration card also or that they do not have ID to back them up. Honestly, there is ample evidence to support a need for ID to vote. Feel free to look at the sources I have posted. As for elderly getting an ID if you would have bothered to read the info I posted you would not the elderly receive a discount and only pay $9.00, in Texas that is less than two packs of cigarettes, or a few lottery tickets. As for not having access to attain an ID...where are these people's families that they cannot bother to support their own to obtain ID? Texas has a pretty good bus system....If the bus services can get people over to Louisiana to gamble they can certainly manage transport to a place near a DPS office. As for taking the kids to the DPS I have gone to the DPS when I had no one to watch my kids...they should know what it is so when they grow up it is familiar. Getting off work? Certain forms of ID must be presented to verify a right to work on the I9. If someone does not wish to get a State issued ID they can get a federal ID in the form of a pass port or pass port but it costs more...I believe most Post offices offer this service upon reservation. I would have no objection to offering the pass port card free to all seniors. Certainly a reasonable endeavor for the Federal Government to pursue.

pragmatist, txmom was correct in stating a DRIVERS LICENSE costs $16. However as I've stated multiple times in this thread a photo voter ID is given AT NO COST...zero...zilch...FREE. Those too disabled to go to the DPS are given exemptions. The law was signed in May of 2011, giving nearly 18 full months before the general election to arrange to get it done. A year and a half to arrange time off is not onerous. BTW...many churches and community organizations are coordinating transportation to and from, so there goes that lame excuse too.

As for your claim of "no evidence" of fraud, testimony in this week's court action shows that hundreds of known dead people voted just in the May primary and that with very low (sub-15%) registered voter turnout. Yeah...no fraud...right.

txmom, pragmatist is getting that number from the DOJ. Unfortunately for the DOJ it came to light that director of the elections division for the Texas secretary of state Brian Ingram and his wife were both on that DOJ list. They of course DO have photo IDs despite what the list claims as I'm sure many, many others do too.

txmom

1) "...source material for your statement..."

The 600,000 estimate has been presented as evidence at the trial (with no refutation by the state I believe...it's their data afterall).

2) "...they do no have a voter registration card also or that they do not have ID to back them up."

They are registered voters who do not have the newly required ID card (the data do not indicate if they lost their registration card)

3) "...there is ample evidence to support a need for ID to vote."

I'm not familiar with the source you cited -- txwatchdog.org -- and suspect it may be a rightist propaganda source (like the Heritage Foundation) but like I said, your own George Bush's extensive investigation did not find compelling evidence of voter fraud and other credible research supports the same results (for more info on the Bush Administration's efforts try googling George Bush Voter Fraud)

4) "...where are these people's families that they cannot bother to support their own to obtain ID?"

If you're poor, chances are your family and friends lack resources too (but most help if they're able) -- if the voter laws are upheld, one can only hope that an effective non-profit outreach program will encourage and assist (if necessary) these registered voters to get the required ID

5) "...If the bus services can get people over to Louisiana to gamble they can certainly manage transport to a place near a DPS office."

Effective public bus transportation in TX, really? Have you used it and so can attest to it's potential abilities to get you near a DPS office? And then, what about the voters in rural areas?

6) "...taking the kids to DPS..."

True, you can take young children and I have too -- but what if you have a lengthy drive and have to stay a long time at the DL office? Nothing more challenging than having tired and bored kids in a public service office for hours.

7) "Certain forms of ID must be presented to verify a right to work..."

Yes, like you can use a student ID and SSN to satisfy I9 form requirements -- but they are not sufficient to vote in TX

8) "...they can get a federal ID in the form of a pass port but it costs more..."

Yes, and no one besides you -- to my knowledge -- has advocated for the provision of free passports

txmom, I've responded in detail because I want you and others to understand that it's simply not easy for some people who do not have an ID to get one...of course it sounds easy to you and probably most Americans because they've never been dirt poor and have no idea what that's like.

Me, I lived in a shabby 2 bedroom unairconditioned trailer for 10 years while my kids were very small and scrounged for every penny to pay the bills from a low wage paycheck. Luckily I had some academic skills that translated into a six-figure salary some 20 years later. I haven't forgotten, however, what it was like and I will continue to champion the poor and in this case, illuminate their disenfranchisement by unethical Republican legislatures and their constituents.

5)

Mike, the estimate data came from the state in their Section 5 submission whether they want to talk about it or not (and they don't). So because two TX officials are on the list make it bogus? Of course, the list couldn't possibly miss anyone too, could it?

Allegations (testimony) about fraud involving 100s of dead people...wow, now we hear this? Why didn't they come up with ONE example of fraud when they were writing this legislation to supposedly COMBAT fraud?

How about some court cases of fraud, some convictions of fraud? I mean it's such a widespread problem right?

Amazing all of the hillbillie statements here.

So many rednecks, heads exploding over "states rights"

The dang Feds want to decide ever'thing. First they frees 'em, then they lets 'em vote!!!

Downfall of the nation I tells ya! This political correctness fad is changing 'me country. Give me my country BACK!

Mike in SA....I stand corrected thank you. I was relying solely on the DMV source for State ID.

We can do it...really...hillbillies, rednecks, and then

The dang Feds want to decide ever'thing. First they frees 'em, then they lets 'em vote!!!

I do believe I have to question your insincarity and well the information pipeline that obviously spoon feeds you the slam of the day.

Pragmatist...thank you for a civil response. I am stuck on one point though...

txmom, I've responded in detail because I want you and others to understand that it's simply not easy for some people who do not have an ID to get one...of course it sounds easy to you and probably most Americans because they've never been dirt poor and have no idea what that's like.

When are we promised that any part of our free society should be easy...particularly with matters concerning the federal gov. I can't think of anything the Fed does that actually makes life easier. Very few things in life are easy if they are worth a damn....IRS form not easy, monitoring ones identity is not easy, participating in a free or fair public school education is not easy. Even in your own disclosure of challenges in your life, I can't imagine they were easy. This is what makes America head and shoulders above many countries around the globe....even people who know what dirt poor is can make something out of their lives if they are committed to participate.

txmom...and thank you for a civil discussion.

Agreed, very little in life is easy. But why would we as a society want to make it harder for the country's most vulnerable population to participate in our great democracy?

The tidbit MSNBC left out of this story that I have seen on other sources (Yahoo, Comcast, etc.) is that to get into the auditorium to hear Holder's speech as a media member GOVERNMENT ISSUED PHOTO I.D. WAS REQUIRED BY THE NAACP. This is the true definition of hypocrite.

I find it humorous when people claim 'there is no evidence of voter fraud' when it's illegal to even check on whether someone voted illegally 'after the fact' because of 'privacy concerns'. If we prevent illegal voting before it happens, we will maintain the integrity of the voting system.

Hey, if Bozobama with Bozobamacare (now known as BozobamaTAX) can force everyone to buy insurance, what's the ____ing difference in forcing ANY idiot voter to have a valid ID to prove exactly who he is BEFORE voting?

The specious assumption of "voter fraud" in Republican-dominated, "Red States" in much of the Southern and Eastern states is being use to justify voter suppression in the form of new, Voter ID laws.

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RNLA's New Voter Fraud Map Provides Little Evidence Of Voter Fraud

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Misleading claims like these are nothing new for Republicans, who have spent a great deal of time and energy talking up the specter of voter fraud. But investigations into the matter have invariably concluded that true voter fraud is "extraordinarily rare" — much like the data dug up by the RNLA suggests.

Yet Republicans routinely introduce legislation purportedly designed to combat voter fraud, even though those measures usually have a greater impact on preventing legally eligible voters from making it to the polls than they do in keeping illegal voters away.

http://politicalcorrection.org/blog/201112120006

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As "Americans First" said,

"Deny 700,000 people to vote in one state to combat the chance of maybe 1 or 2 illegal votes."

And "Roy Wilson", you said:

"If we prevent illegal voting before it happens, we will maintain the integrity of the voting system."

So tell us in detail how would you do this, '...prevent illegal voting before it happens...' ?

I don't get it. Most of these people got their pictures taken the first time they were arrested.

Couldn't they combine the jail photo with a voter ID?

Pragmatist..

Agreed, very little in life is easy. But why would we as a society want to make it harder for the country's most vulnerable population to participate in our great democracy?

I don't think we wish to make it harder for our most vulnerable but the fact remains that life is not easy. The fact also remains that many of the "most vulnerable" in Texas are truly foreign nationals who have no business to vote. The fact also remains that we have experienced extraordinary voter fraud in our state (dead people voting, people who didn't know they were registered to vote voting etc.) What we need is a remedy to make sure that everyone who is registered is in control of their own vote....voter fraud is truly the worst kind of ID theft because it takes the voice of Democracy away.

What I find concerning is that many "community groups" will register people to vote and yet they scoff at the idea of protecting those very voters. If a group can send people to canvas a community to register them to vote why not provide vans or buses in those same communities to take those same, vulnerable people to get a valid ID? What exactly is the DNC afraid of when it comes to making each vote count. That participation is the single most sacred right of an American citizen. It is what keeps us in charge of our own destiny instead of handing control over to outside influences. It is what makes us Americans and our Government responsive to our will....It is what keeps our nation separate from those controlled by NATO or the UN. When that simple tenant of our forefathers fails we will just be one more nation under the influence of the "Greater Good" international policy.

I do care what happens to our country but honestly, I believe that American Citizens should be protected to cast their vote for the candidate of their choice and allow our system to work instead of leaving the back door open to domestic terrorists((people who wish to defraud our free and fair elections) or foreign interests to determine our destiny.

If the people of Texas are not required to show ID along with their voter registration cards then I do hope that our elections are monitored by a neutral part at each polling place. I would even suggest cameras be used to assure people are not voting multiple times with different identies. It happens in Texas and I sure as hell wish the AG of the United States would be willing to support measures that protect my right to a fair election process. Instead he is supporting a system that will most certainly dilute my voice in local, state and Federal elections as he has already attempted to do with our atonomy for our legislators to redistrict independ from federal interference. Instead he is stacking the deck for rampant fraud.

Agreed. It wa supposed the be the United "States" that had power. Connecticut is not Missouri and Maryland is not Utah. States were supposed to be in control of their own needs and wants. President Obama and his minions laugh at that concept.

Do some frigging research -- First on the amount of supposed voter fraud, and second on the estimates of large numbers of people affected by some of these new voter ID laws. Any photo ID is one thing, a photo ID with expiration date another, a photo ID of a certain kind that costs folks a lot of money yet another -- Some of these laws are outrageous.

Patriot, its not about protecting civil rights. You don't need to do a lot of research to see through that lie.

What it is really about, is democrats wanting to protect their voting pool.

John...

More to the point...the goal is to "increase" the size of their voting pool.

TruePat -

You claim that these IDs are expensive, so tell me - what does a state issued ID card cost whereever you live?

THe argument about the amount of voter fraud is circular, and not winnable, based on perspective. However, the adjacent question is much easier to wrap a head around.

Exactly how is it wrong to expect people to be able to proove they are a citizen, if they choose to excercise their right to vote? A secondary question for you - if these people can not find the motivation to get an ID, how exactly do you expect them to find the motivation to vote?

How far down the list do you have to go to find a decent Democrat?

"will not allow political pretexts to disenfranchise American citizens of their most precious right."

Sort of funny that Holder obstructs any effort to prevent the voting of illegal aliens and other misconduct in our election system.

Seems to me that a vote by an illegal alien or convicted felon "disenfranchises" me, and ever other American Citizen. Voter fraud has been going on for decades. Why would anyone stand in the way of improving the system to eliminate misconduct like this, unless they have a vested interest in having those votes count for there own needs.

NOBAMA 2012!

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The problem with requiring a photo ID for voting is mostly the fact that it costs money. If any law requires anyone to pay anything for the right to vote, it is an illegal poll tax. It discriminates against poor people and minorites, like the poll taxes of the 1950s that required black people to pay a tax in order to vote.

Even having to drive a long distance is clearly discriminatory against those who can't travel easily, like people without cars and the elderly. Voter fraud simply does not happen in the U.S. to any extent. Since there is no history of voter fraud, this is voter suppression, a solution in search of a non-existent problem.

Hey True Patriot.. you may want to look at the updated studies:

http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2007/09/new-analysis-shows-voter-identification-laws-do-not-reduce-turnout

I know, numbers and stuff, but detailed report on those flawed studies trying to show minorities were affected.

notalkingpoints -- I've lived a large part of my life in a border state so believe we need to be vigilant with voter registrations (just as we need to be for benefits like Social Security, Medicare/Medicaid). If the registration process is being done correctly, then at the time of voting, a photo ID--any photo whether a college ID or what have you should suffice.

Some of the laws in some of the states go way too far. For example women who have had name changes due to divorce, may need to spend hundreds of dollars getting an ID to vote. Do your own research, in earnest.

Then watch video, for example of congressional reps like Turzai and Metcalf in Pennsylvania openly admitting they passed ID laws to help Romney win steal the election. What's all the more disgusting is the audience applauding this revelation!

Like applauding executions in Texas, and letting the uninsured die at the hospital door, or booing a soldier because he is gay -- And rightwingers wonder why the rest of us despise them so much?

Here's a novel concept -- Try winning elections on merit.

Democrats, Progressives, Socialist, Communists and malingerers have used as a slogan or a mantra this phrase,

VOTE EARLY and VOTE OFTEN.

Now how in the name of reason can they execute their game plan to overwhelm the true votes if an ID is required?

Oooh yes of course they could 'make up'' names and ID badges or papers. Silly me.. hey Holder did you get that? Make up phony ID and your problem is solved.

What did you say?

Oooh you already do that?

Silly me, I thought elections were open, fair and honest?

Sorry.

Geez, A California ID is $20. If a 'voter' can't afford THAT by picking up bottles or spare change on the street (yes I do pick it up, and I put it away. It only took me less than a year to pick up enough in pennies to get tickets, for my son and I, for Disneyland at $80 a pop) or by not buying that coffee at Starbucks for a week, are those REALLY the type of people you want deciding who's going to be running our nation?... I know I don't.

True Pat -

Sorry, wrong again.

ANd by the way, this debate is about IDs for voting, not the other deflections you bring up.

You are aware, for instance, that you have to have a valid ID in order to even buy cigarettes, right?

A college ID does not do that. A traffic ticket does not do that. Only a valid ID.

Are you seriously suggesting that our controls for buying cigarettes should be more stringent than our controls on who can vote?

Regardless of the spin applied, having a valid picture ID is not an onerous burden, for anybody, assuming they are legal.

Nice try, but a completely invalid argument.

Jim: Holder is not even waiting to see IF there is a problem, he ASSUMES there will be a problem

Which is exactly what you are doing, Jim!

If there truly is a problem, why can't any of you point to it, give us a link?

If it is a nationwide problem, why are only Republican governors and legislatures in a tizzy about this?

Opponents say it penalizes poor people who cant afford to get a picture ID. I would find it hard to believe that the same poor people don't have a picture ID to collect their social security, welfare or any other funding programs.

Fielden, do your own research if you want a link.

Can you get a driver's license if you're disabled? How would you vote if you were blind? Aren't these folks allowed to vote? Just have good registrations systems in the first place, and here's an idea, provide a photo ID with registration.

True Pat -

Sorry, but you are wrong yet again.

The answer is state issued ID cards, which all states have provisions for, and minimal expense.

With those, people can vote.

Spin it however you want, valid ID is not hard to come by, for anybody.

Your objections are nothing more than window dressing.

Linda in Texas-469280

Opponents say it penalizes poor people who cant afford to get a picture ID. I would find it hard to believe that the same poor people don't have a picture ID to collect their social security, welfare or any other funding programs.

Thank you, thank you, thank you, for bringing some COMMON SENSE to all this rhetoric.

the reason most of them have no id is because they are wanted by the law and have arrest warrants out on them.

fielden--If it is a nationwide problem, why are only Republican governors and legislatures in a tizzy about this?

who's in a tizzy? the supreme court upheld the voter id law so what's up with holder?

This is about allowing the 20 million Mexicans who are in the US illegally to vote. LaRaza has promised Obama reelection if he will block the states' ID requirements.

For as close as many recent elections have been, coupled with the number of illegals in this country, neither side of the voter fraud issue have hard facts to back up their argument. Whether fraud is rampant or not, it would be very easy to commit. In my state you walk in give then your name, they ask you what street you live on, and away you go. If you had knowledge of the unlikely voter, all you need to do is memorize two pieces of information for a 5 second conversation. Any state can come up with a voter ID card that does not disenfranchise anyone, Holder's argument is lame.

notalkingpoints said:

You claim that these IDs are expensive, so tell me - what does a state issued ID card cost whereever you live?

THe argument about the amount of voter fraud is circular, and not winnable, based on perspective. However, the adjacent question is much easier to wrap a head around.

Exactly how is it wrong to expect people to be able to proove they are a citizen, if they choose to excercise their right to vote? A secondary question for you - if these people can not find the motivation to get an ID, how exactly do you expect them to find the motivation to vote?

So if the argument is for not allowing illegal citizens to vote, and the point of these laws is to prove you're a citizen...

During the recent DOJ hearings on the AL and AZ 'papers, please' immigration laws, a Homeland Security spokesperson said that there is no way to conclusively prove you are a citizen except through the US's passport registration system. They don't have a central database of who is a citizen and who is not.

According to the Dept of State, only 112 million US citizens out of the 312 million living here actually have passports--that's 38% of the US population. Passports are NOT cheap, and you not only have to get fingerprints and photos, but you also have to show documentation.

As I understand it, one of the required documents is an original birth certificate.

For many Americans, particularly older minorities, this is difficult as many older US citizen blacks don't have birth certificates as those things weren't well-tracked pre-Civil Rights movement. Keep in mind also that immigrants from many third world countries may not have birth certificates either--refugees fleeing a burned out tribal village in Africa likely don't have them.

People whose records were in the towns and facilities lost to Hurricane Katrina may also not have them either, as old paper records could have been destroyed or lost during the disaster. Same thing for people of Haitian descent--do you think Hatian officials were concerned with saving paperwork when their island was hit with the earthquake? And in Puerto Rico, birth certificate fraud was so prevalent that the country simply scrapped the whole system and issued new ones, but many people of Puerto Rican descent (like one of my coworkers) didn't find out the government of Puerto Rico had invalidated her original birth certificate until she went to renew her passport for a business trip and found herself stuck because she hadn't known she had to get a new one.

And then you have citizens like me--infant abandoned at an orphanage with no birth certificate/documentation/paperwork, and I therefore cannot get a passport. That therefore makes me unable to prove I am a citizen by DHS's requirements/standards.

If someone is so interested in our electoral system, and so interetsed in politics that they would show a preference for one political party or another, one candidate over another, they should be allowed to vote. There are plenty of natural born American citizens who aren't interetsed enough in the political scene to be bothered to get up and vote, yet they'll complain in a minute about who got elected.

There was a story in the news recently about a guy in PA, member of the KKK, who got himself elected to a township's public servant seat because the only vote cast in the whole election was his own for himself. Then the people rose and said 'we don't want this KKK member to represent our interests in public office!" Well, if you didn't want him to represent you, why didn't you go vote for anyone other than him?

How about the Vietnam era draft card that people of my generation are still supposed to carry with them at all times under penalty of law?

Not having to present documentation of your US citizenship is just another piece of Latin American propaganda. This is just another way of keeping foreign invaders who steal US resources under the radar.

Under the law passed in Texas, Holder said that "many of those without IDs would have to travel great distances to get them — and some would struggle to pay for the documents they might need to obtain them."

But if they have to travel those same distances to get free stuff like food stamps, they beat white people to the door. Holder is a racist!

Here is what five minutes of research on Google can tell you. Holder does not know what he is talking about!

In an opinion piece published in the Austin American-Statesman on Dec. 13, 2011, U.S. Reps. Steny Hoyer of Maryland and John Lewis of Georgia said: "New measures introduced in several states would mandate government-issued, current photo identification for all wishing to vote. However, as many as one in four African Americans do not carry the necessary forms of identification to vote under these conditions and would be hit hard by these new laws."

What PolitiFact found was:

In an October 2011 report, the center said that in five states where photo ID laws were scheduled to take effect in 2012, some 3.2 million Americans, accounting for about 10 percent of the states’ voting-age residents, lacked government-issued photo IDs.

Ten percent not 25%. Next is the claim by some that the cost of getting a government issued ID is too expensive. According to the Texas DMV site, the cost of an Identification Card is $16 for anyone under the age of 60. For those 60 years old or over, the cost is only $5.

States not only have the right, but the responsibility, to ensure that elections are held in a fair way. That everyone who has the right to vote has that right protected, but that protection is meaningless if that state does not ensure that those who do not have the right to vote (noncitizens, the dead, etc.) are prevented from illegally casting a ballot. Holder and the Obama Administration tried to prevent Florida from performing their responsibility to remove the names of those who are no longer eligible to vote from their rolls. A Federal Judge, who was appointed by President Clinton (D), ruled against Holder. This attempt should turn out the same.

"I don't know what will happen as this case moves forward, but I can assure you that the Justice Department's efforts to uphold and enforce voting rights will remain aggressive,"

That's not hard to figure out. The Supreme Court has already ruled that state voter ID laws are valid, so Holder just thinks he can stall the issue until after the election, and hope he keeps his job.

The Supreme Court ruled on the issue in 2008, but I guess Holder is a little behind on his reading - here's the link;

http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/supreme_court_upholds_voter_id_law/

Roy, the State's are responsible for registration, and voting, unless it is a discriminatory action...... Any fee by the State for voting (State I.D.) is illegal by the Constitution. Not allowing access to those State I.D.'s as was the case in 1965, when Texas was deemed one of the States that violated the Constitution, is why this case is being heard. Legal precedence has been established for Holder to enforce the Law in Texas, unlike Indiana or other States which were not part of the 1965 Supreme Court Decision.

Stop trying to dummy us down to your level of stupidity.

Here is the link to the 1965 Law,,,,http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voting_Rights_Act

I find Eric Holder a huge hypocrite on the photo ID issue. Eric claims of discrimination but yet when people go to these functions they need to show I.D. So why is it a double standard here.? All political functions need a I.D. and yet this idiot tries so hard to spin this. Isn't that calling the kettle black.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!A double standard and hypocrisy coming out of this administration. People need I.D. in bank accounts, library cards, political functions, Driving a car, ect.......... & VOTING should also be on that list. If some people don't have one then try to get one it's not that hard. I am so tired of the LEFT using this situation and playing the race card.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The Democrats are getting really worse.

"Echoing the language of the 15th Amendment, the Act prohibits states from imposing any "voting qualification or prerequisite to voting, or standard, practice, or procedure ... to deny or abridge the right of any citizen of the United States to vote on account of race or color."^{[The Act is widely considered a landmark in civil-rights legislation,[7] though some of its provisions have sparked political controversy. During the debate over the 2006 extension, some Republican members of Congress objected to renewing the preclearance requirement (the Act's primary enforcement provision), arguing that it represents an overreach of federal power and places unwarranted bureaucratic demands on Southern states that have long since abandoned the discriminatory practices the Act was meant to eradicate.[8] Conservative legislators also opposed requiring states with large Spanish-speaking populations to provide bilingual ballots.[9] Congress nonetheless voted to extend the Act for twenty-five years with its original enforcement provisions left intact.[10]}

"Section 2 contains a general prohibition on voting discrimination, enforced through federal district court litigation. Congress amended this section in 1982, prohibiting any voting practice or procedure that has a discriminatory result. The 1982 amendment provided that proof of intentional discrimination is not required. Section 2 contains a general prohibition on voting discrimination, enforced through federal district court litigation. Congress amended this section in 1982, prohibiting any voting practice or procedure that has a discriminatory result. The 1982 amendment provided that proof of intentional discrimination is not required. The provision focused instead on whether the electoral processes are equally accessible to minority voters.^[12] This section is permanent and does not require renewal.

Roy, can you read, " The provision focused instead on whether the electoral processes are equally accessible to minority voters.^[12] This section is permanent and does not require renewal."

Of course coming from you, the one who claims the courts have taken over the country and rights of the people, I can understand your comment............LOL.

You have to not just look at the cost of the ID itself, but also everything that is required to obtain the ID. You can't get a driver's license without a birth certificate. Depending on your state of birth, you could pay $100.00 or more to get a copy mailed to you, on top of the ID cost. There are people that $100.00 means the difference between being able to pay all their bills and eat that month, or not. Just because you can easily afford something doesn't mean everyone can.

In MN the ACLU has challenged anyone to find a case of voter fraud that would have been prevented by a voter ID law. The $1000 is still up for grabs. Several Democratic legislators wrote a bill using an electronic ID book that would take pictures of every voter when they arrived to vote, and the images would be kept on a state data base. The cost would be far less than the tens of millions that would be necessary to assure issuance of government-issued and approved ID's. The bill never made it to the floor for a vote because the Republicans in control want the ALEC-written voter ID bill passed. How does a senior without a car or state-issued ID get an approved ID if their birth certificate is in the basement of a small town courthouse in, say, Ohio? Are Republicans going to pay for the citizens to travel to those towns of their birth so they can obtain the necessary paperwork? If the voter ID amendment passes, same-day registration and mailed-in absentee voting will be gone. Voter phote ID laws are costly and are a solution to a non-existence problem. The few instances of voter fraud in our state wouldn't have been prevented with picture ID's.

BBYanko, what will owning a car, buying insurance,beer or cigarrette's have to do with your Constitutional Right to Vote? Nothing.........Voting is in the Constitution as a Right to individuals (people), not beer etc.

Yes, the voter fraud scam has been going on for years by the Republicans...........but no State's attorney or Attorney General has prosecuted more than a handfull of cases. Yes the law works, and the scam is just that a scam. Where are all of the voter fraud cases by Republican or Democratic State and Federal Attorney's in the past 40 years?...................waiting.

The operative phrase from Mr. Holder is "no American". An American knows the ID requirements. Try getting around in every other country without a photo ID. People who don't have anything to hide should not worry. This is just a perpetuation of the divisiveness Mr. Holder and Mr. Obama spin in an effort to get votes, which they will desparately need.

MNPat, of course. Why would ALEC want low income, elderly, minority's, and the disabled to vote? They don't have enough income to increase the profit of ALEC member Company's,,,,,so out goes their right to vote.Only people who we can benefit from as workers or consumers should vote,,,,,,,,,,,,,,unfortunate but true.

So Don, someone who lost their I.D. the day before has "something to hide" ........ you are one nut job.

I would think every forward thinking progressive liberal would welcome the voter ID law. Liberals claim to be so intelligent you think they would recognize the fact that every illegal vote disenfranchises legal voters. I've often wondered what progressive liberals do if they are pulled over by a police officer and asked to show their drivers license and insurance cards do you argue with the police tell them they are racist, bigots or do you call them narrowminded repressed Republicans. Do you tell them you feel like you're in Nazi Germany show me your papers? No I didn't think so !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Mike, you should interview the poll watchers at the next election, perhaps you can work it. NO poll watcher's have come out in support of "illegal voter fraud". Can you prove otherwise?

Yes, the Texas voter ID law would indeed harm minorities. If would prevent them from voting multiple times, something they've become used to doing over the years.

Bill, here is the truth in Florida,,,,,,,,"During the 2010 election cycle, the state of Florida passed two redistricting amendments to their state constitution that were aimed at preventing future attempts at gerrymandering. Then-governor Charlie Crist, a supporter of both amendments, submitted a request to the DOJ for preclearance, as required by the VRA. In early 2011, Florida's newly-elected governor Rick Scott, a vocal opponent of these amendments, withdrew the request for preclearance, placing the legal status of the amendments in limbo.^[30][31] In particular, only five of Florida's counties are required to obtain preclearance under the Act, making it unclear what the status of these amendments is in the remaining counties. Proponents of these amendments, both of which passed with greater than 60% voter approval, are accusing Scott's administration of attempting to "thwart the will of the voters", by "abusing their power", and the VRA's preclearance clause, as a means to defeat these amendments despite overwhelming voter support.^{[32]"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voting_Rights_Act}

^{$5.00 is a poll tax in my estimation. If the States are responsible for fair voting, why do the citizens have to pay to vote?}

As Republicans insist that every bill passed by their legislatures be funded, why not include a provision in all these voter ID bills a method of funding so no voter has to pay out of pocket for their ID? If you believe that's an unreasonable requirement, please explain why.

This also affects the elderly who also tend to lack driver's licenses and photo IDs. Most of them don't want the ACA repealed, so suppressing their vote is also deliberate.

Yes, the states are providing photo IDs for free, but the GOP knows the logistics will make it almost impossible for all that lack an ID to get one in time for this election. The places that supply them have limited hours, limited staff, and will have very long lines. No doubt the GOP will also be cutting both the hours and headcount at motor vehicles and other places where these can be obtained as a "cost cutting measure".

The concept of a photo ID is fine and most of us have no problem with that as a voting requirement, but to implement the requirement knowing that all voters needing them can't physically get them before this election amounts to voter suppression. Changing the legislation to start requiring them in 2013 would be reasonable, but that wouldn't give the GOP any kind of unfair advantage in this election cycle.

Have the federal government issue ID for every American of voting age... Problem solved... It stinks when one party is so insecure that it has to make up voting fraud in order to win an election...

Jimmy Carter travels the world over seeing election, he should get involved here at home... If I were denied the right to vote, someone would be seriously hurting...

I meant to say free or for a minimal fee.

Some states passing these laws will provide the IDs at no cost. The rest are charging a minimal fee. Any fee (if this is only for voting purposes) is a poll tax and that provision will surely be struck down. A drivers license is for the privilege of driving and not just for voting, so a fee for that is not a poll tax.

When they passed the voter ID law, it specifically stated you can go to the local DPS (DMV) and they will issue you one for FREE, there is not cost for a voter ID.

he opposes a new photo ID requirement in Texas elections because it would be harmful to minority voters.

Harmful??? In what way? Getting hit with a hammer is harmful. Having the gov't tell you you're required to purchase something like an ID is not. After all, if you're in an auto accident with someone who has no ID, who has to pay for the medical costs caused by this unidentified driver?

Is he implying minorities are incapable of getting a photo ID? I find that offensive. If it's the cost, then work on a plan to supply free photo ID cards to validated US citizens (note I did NOT say drivers licenses). If Democrats claim we can afford insurance costs per citizen, $10 for a 5 year ID is definitely doable.

If they aren't addressing the root cause of cost and ability to get the ID, then they're not interested in the real problem, only the potential non US citizen votes. Don't come crying to us if you feel the next presidential election is "stolen" if Obama loses. Here was your chance to prevent it.

Show us the ideas elected Democrats. Until you come up with your own, you're just being a party of "NO".

Minorities need PICTURE I.D. CARDS TO GET THEIR WELFARE, FOOD STAMPS, SOCIAL SECURITY AND OTHER FREE GOVERNMENT HANDOUTS. So if they are complaining about using the I.D. card to vote - then don't vote. THAT'S THEIR CHOICE!! If they say they don't have an I.D. Card they can get off their lazy asses and go to their local Social Services or DMV to get one for FREE IN SOME STATES AND $5-$10 IN OTHER STATES. THEY CAN DO WITHOUT A BOTTLE OF WINE OR A LITTLE LESS DRUGS OR 1 LESS PACK OF CIGARETTES FROM THEIR WELFARE CHECKS TO GET THAT I.D.. If they are in this country illegally, they should not be voting in a U.S. election anyway, they would be once again violating U.S. Law. The REAL question is can O'Bama and the Democrats actually win the election without illegal voters?? I think not and that is why his Boy Eric Holder is encouraging people to violate our laws and refuses to enforce our laws. Like every good dictator, O'Bama is doing just what Hitler and his friends did -- control the vote, allow foreign governments to come into the U.S. Courts and take legal action against sovereign U.S. States, faile to protect the borders, take away the right of every U.S. Citizen to bear arms (the U.S. Arms Group) and finally control the press. We all know what happened to Hitler and his friends, and History will repeat itself.

If a state will provide free ID cards for everyone in their state without requiring the person to go through the time and expense required to obtain the supporting paperwork for the ID, then I see no problem with the photo ID requirement.

However, when a legislator suggests the electronic picture ID registration for voting, that would put the voter's photo on a state database permanently, Republicans who've introduced ALEC-written voter ID bills won't even put that idea up for a vote. The electronic picture registration is cheaper and permanent; why won't Republicans support it?

Republican Admits Voter ID Laws Help Romney Win

Excerpt:

There is no better proof that a politician admitting the truth and caught on camera. This politician admits voter suppression in Pennsylvania initiated by republicans will help Mitt Romney win the election in November. The republican House Majority leader Mike Turzai of Allegheny, validates that new voter ID laws will "allow Mitt Romney" to win the state of Pennsylvania"

Read more: http://www.politicolnews.com/pennsylvania-republican-admits-voter-id-laws-help-romney-win/#ixzz20O4NFrxF

thanks,rradiko

John Doe-2241225

Patriot, its not about protecting civil rights. You don't need to do a lot of research to see through that lie.

What it is really about, is democrats wanting to protect their voting pool.

NO, what it's really about is republicons wanting to keep some democrats from voting !!!!!

Exactly. The Bush/Cheney administration tried to find cases of voter fraud for over five years and came up with nothing (remember the scandals during Alberto Gonzales?). However, our country does have a long history of election fraud, and swing states like Florida have been the worst.

Enough with Republican gerrymandering, rigging electronic machines, purging registration rolls, sending out misinformation, etc. Bush v Gore MUST be the last election Republicans steal!

Eric Holder what a fine example of justice. Stands in front of the American public and calls for justice for Trayvon Martin. All the while ignoring the fact that fast and furious under his watch is guilty for the deaths of an innocent border guard and who knows how many Mexicans. Then blatantly ignores public threats on the lives of George Zimmerman and his family. Stonewalls Congress on the whole fast and furious fiasco. Mr. Holder and Mr. Obama if there's nothing to hide from the family of Brian Terry why are you hiding the evidence? I actually had some hope that this president and his appointees would be different silly me. In my opinion this DOJ could not be more arrogant and after this latest example does anyone believe he's a racist?

Came up with nothing? You mean like the videos of Black Panther party members? Maybe the 15,000 registered Democrats all having one mailing address in one trailer house down by Houston? If you don't educate yourself on subjects, don't just assume it doesn't exist if you never heard of it.

Holder is simply a joke...

Allen, urban legends perhaps,,,,,,,,,,Black Panthers, we have been through that, no findings of massive or even one registered voter came forward and said they did not vote, protect your rights is part of being a citizen so step forward. Perhaps this is what you are talking about in Houston, if not please supply link, again the issue was resolved by the voting board, both Dems. and Reps. as the law allows.http://blog.al.com/live/2012/07/conflict_arises_over_how_to_tr.html

Think about it, if the State has a voter roll, it has address, and amount of people registered to that address. If 10,000 show up for the same address those votes will be audited as the law in existance allows before they are part of the final vote...........

Democrats pander to illegal immigrants because they WANT their vote. Obama proved that by selectively deciding not to enforce existing immigration laws where illegals were brought here as children.

Republicans are only trying to suppress illegal voters. I get asked for ID every time I vote and its no big deal.

Vicki: When you were typing this did you actually think it made sense? The reason why we should allow minorities to vote without ID is because the GOP do not want an honest government? And tell me again how making sure every eligible citizen gets one AND ONLY ONE vote creates a dishonest government? And allowing peopled to vote without any ID even if they might not be eligible to vote at all actually creates an honest government? Did you ACTUALLY think through that argument before you typed it? I am going to go out on a limb and make the assumption you didn't give that any thought at all because, quite frankly, I would think you would be terribly embarrassed admitting you actually THOUGHT that made any rational sense............

Vicki...

Asking for an ID card at the polls is "anti-voter" ???

Is asking for a library card at a library anti-book ? Is asking for an ID at the bank anti-fund transfer ?

Good Lord...it's like folks are being asked to crawl across a busy highway in order to vote. We should want more participation from informed voters...or is any vote fine whether informed or not ???

Anti Voter Agenda?

Really Vicki?

Democrats need to do what is necessary to get them their IDs? Seriously?

This is not an anti voter agenda, despite your spin on it. What it is is a responsible attempt to prevent amongst other things voter fraud. Granted this is not necessarily an issue as large as the right paints it, but it is not as small as the left claims either.

Regardless of perspective on that, how is it wrong to be sure about who is voting? And how is that an anti voter agenda?

And are you really saying that the democratic party needs to organise ID drives to get the votes of these people? That is certainly how it read.....

Would you also then maintain that in the interests of fairness, the democratic party should also pay for those IDs? If not, are these people not still disenfranchised? If you are not thinking that, then are you suggesting a major billboard campaign, hoping that somehow they will rise above the unfairness of it all and finally get a document that is easy to get and extremely inexpensive?

The short form of the question is this - if the right to vote is so very cherished by these people, and they so desperately yearn to vote, then why are they unwillng to do what is proper, and be able to proove that they are a citizen?

vicki?....what an asinine and moronic post......

not...

Thank you. In the past couple years we have voters in foreign lands walk for days in order to vote in a country that will be a hellhole no matter who wins the election. Some have been shot at or killed trying to vote.

The US ??? A nation of moaners and whiners.

And a big fat "YES"...the Democrat Party does need 'drives' to sign up more voters who obviously weren't too interested in the process to begin with. In my state in 2010, the state government union group "SEIU" drove van loads of inner city voters to the polls. In Bridgeport, Connecticut a newspaper article that ran after the election quoted one very involved voter as saying "They told me one guy wanted to give me more stuff and the other guy wanted to take my stuff away from me".

America !!! Ain't it grand !!!

Tony -

I remember stories like that as well - I cant cite any specific examples, but one that sticks out in my head is a story that a kid was asked why he liked Obama - the answer was Obamam said he would give us a car.

The kid was about 9 years old.

Yup - America......aint it grand....

But this truly is America....so did that 9 year old ever get his car ???

We did have cash for clunkers, so maybe....

I should have said that I could not provide a link or reference to the story, not that I couldnt cite one - my bad there.

What makes you think that it's only DEMOCRATS that are poor & disadvantaged?

All you have to do is show you welfare check... how hard can that be?

To stop the controversy that surrounds this issue all the states that want to see state i.d. in order to allow a person to vote should supply voter registration cards that have pictures of the voters on them at no additional cost. It's as simple as that. Issue of poll tax gone.

wrong off base wacko lib

so vickie are you saying only democratic voters can't get photo id's? why is that?

bhart -

You obviously failed to read my post carefully, and thus have falsely accused me of supporting voter suppression.

Quite to the contrary - I say let everybody vote, as long as they meet the basic requirements to do so.

Those requirements are to be of age to vote, and to be a citizen.

The question remains this - how exactly is it wrong to be sure that somebody is qualified to vote, using those criteria?

Or is it your position that those requirements are wrong?

Fair warning - both of those questions are loaded, and no wins for you.

Vicki, Democrats are the ones who try to suppress the votes of the military serving overseas. Watch and see. They try to disallow their votes, saying they did not arrive in time. That's a flimsy excuse in today's world but it happened with Clinton and I'll bet it happens again this time. The military are not Obama fans.

Nope, I read your post very carefully, 'talkingpoints'. And neither of your loaded questions are 'no wins' for me. It is you who have not read carefully, and as I said, you really don't know what you are talking about. Or, perhaps closer to the truth, you do not understand what you are talking about.

First of all, I fully agree with your contention that voters be qualified, of age, citizens.

Secondly, I did not 'falsely accuse' you of 'supporting voter suppression'; it is obvious that you support voter suppression, I accused you of 'not knowing what you're talking about'.

The TRUTH is that there is no voter fraud problem in the USA. Many studies have shown this. And, as I said, studies have also shown that voter ID laws disenfranchise large numbers of people. The problem that you, and others, are confusing with this, is the problem of illegal immigrants voting. Voter ID laws do nothing to prevent this. There are other, much better, modern methods of voter registration that would be far better at solving this 'problem'. Yet, conservatives are not interested in passing those types of reform, because they would actually make it easier for people to vote; exactly what the conservative right doesn't want.

bhart -

So answer either of the questions I posed, if you are so very certain that you are correct, and that I support voter suppression.

Better yet, answer both of them.

Otherwise, I would ask that you stop lying about me in public, and contending things that are simply not true, such as I support voter suppression.

notalkingpoints;

As an objective reader, it sure seems like you are supporting voter suppression to me.

Uhh, I'm pretty sure that I answered both your questions clearly. But, I will clarify (in reverse order).

You ask:

2) Or is it your position that those requirements are wrong?

My reply, cut and pasted from my post above: "First of all, I fully agree with your contention that voters be qualified, of age, citizens."

and:

1) The question remains this - how exactly is it wrong to be sure that somebody is qualified to vote, using those criteria?

Here, granted, I didn't explicitly state my position; I expected you to infer it. But to clarify for you, my answer is that I am not saying that it is wrong. I'm saying that it's fine to ensure voters are qualified. My argument against voter ID law is thus: (again, cut and pasted directly from above) "The TRUTH is that there is no voter fraud problem in the USA. Many studies have shown this. And, as I said, studies have also shown that voter ID laws disenfranchise large numbers of people. The problem that you, and others, are confusing with this, is the problem of illegal immigrants voting. Voter ID laws do nothing to prevent this. There are other, much better, modern methods of voter registration that would be far better at solving this 'problem'. Yet, conservatives are not interested in passing those types of reform, because they would actually make it easier for people to vote; exactly what the conservative right doesn't want"

The new definition of Hypocrisy:

You can't be forced to buy an ID but you can be forced to buy health insurance.

Nice try, you just ruined your own argument.

/double post/

Wake up now,,,,, one is a Constitutional right to people,,,,voting. And the other is a Constitutional right to the Federal Government,,,,,,,,,commerce..........pretty simple, apples and oranges. Need I state the text of the Constitution?

Linda

That's a blatant lie about Democrats and military voters. I suggest you learn more about the unflagging efforts of this administration's DOJ to enforce UOCAVA or STHU.

Republicans are doing their best to suppress Democratic voters.

So, only Democrats are poor and incapable of getting a legally required $10 document that's good for 5 years?

Democrats are the ones who want an honest government and a government of, by and for all Americans.

Unfortunately, closed door meetings for an entire year that included not one single Republican representative conflicts with your "for all Americans" portion of your argument. And honestly is definitely not a part of this administration. "This is most definitely not a tax" has over a dozen taxes imposed on even those of us who "if you want to keep your current insurance, you can".

We see what the GOP is doing and it is against our democracy.

If requiring people to purchase a $10 card is against our democracy, then the ACA is against our democracy by about 10000% more.

We should want more voter participation, not less.

More voter parciticapation, yes. Less dead people and fake voters registered in the same trailerhouse as 14,999 other registered Democrats though. Also, how many elections that went against what the Democrats wanted have been "stolen" since 2000? All of them. Even the ones in other countries.

Democrats need to do what is necessary to get their IDs so that we do not allow the right wing extremists against the right to vote to accomplish this anti-voter agenda.

I refer you back to the mandate to purchase insurance vs a mandate to purchase a $10 photo ID that you only need if you plan on voting. You're not making the Democrats look good right now.

You mean Papers please...right

Shanta,

You obviously have a love for the Nazi's...

People like you never want to ensure that those are eligible to vote are entitled to vote, and those that are eligble (felons, deceased, illegal) don't vote. What Holder is doing is nothing but pandering to his boss's campaign contributors and nothing more. All the talk of these voter laws restricting people to vote and that it cost money have not cited a single fact that someone was denied the right to vote (unlike if you care to remember the Black Panthers that intimidated voters at a polling station in Pa.--which by the way Holder ultimately declined to persue).

Ok, we do understand that, photo ID or not you have to be a registered voter to vote? That the only thing that the ID is going to do is allow the person that is looking you up in the voter rolls to be sure that the person (you) standing in front of them and about to vote is really you and not someone who is 'voting on your behalf'. You still have to be a registered voter. That's what makes this whole thing stupid. Illegal immigrants aren't registered voters, so how exactly is this 'trying to allow illegals to vote'?

notalkingpoints,

When you went to the DMV for a state-issued ID, what proof was required for the ID? Certified birth certificate? If you don't have one, how can you obtain one without incurring additional expense?

The document you cite that can be used for banking, buying alcohol or tobacco, driving, etc., is often NOT acceptable under the ALEC-written voter ID law. College ID's will get your check cashed, your beer and Marlboros, but can't be used to show residency for voting.

Finally, why don't Republicans support an electronic book picture ID taken when the voter signs in at the polls? This method would be millions of dollars cheaper than issuing and checking photo ID's and would create a permanent statewide data base. Seems to me this would be the smartest way to allow all citizens to vote while protecting the integrity of the election results.

"Section 2 contains a general prohibition on voting discrimination, enforced through federal district court litigation. Congress amended this section in 1982, prohibiting any voting practice or procedure that has a discriminatory result. The 1982 amendment provided that proof of intentional discrimination is not required. Section 2 contains a general prohibition on voting discrimination, enforced through federal district court litigation. Congress amended this section in 1982, prohibiting any voting practice or procedure that has a discriminatory result. The 1982 amendment provided that proof of intentional discrimination is not required. The provision focused instead on whether the electoral processes are equally accessible to minority voters.^[12] This section is permanent and does not require renewal."

This is the law of 1965,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,intent is not needed to break the law. Kapish?

A college ID shouldn't be allowed to show residency for voting because everyone who has one isn't a necessarily a resident. Why should someone living in a dorm on a campus have a say in the local government that the school happens to be in? They should vote in their home district, even if it means absentee voting. An off-campus student, who has utilities in their name is a resident, and bringing a utility bill with your name and address on it is sufficient at the polls to show residency. This whole thing is stupid anyway since you don't need the ID to vote absentee, so what exactly is the big whoop about?

Pro...

After reading your first paragraph, I realize I have been discriminated against my entire life...they wouldn't even let me out of the maternity ward without a signed document with a stamp of my footprint on it. Must have those evil, discriminating Republicans in charge at the time.

How dare they !!!

The Pole Tax in Texas and the rest of the south was declaired descriminatory not because each person had a different pole tax to pay, they didnt as the pole tax was the same for all. The pole tax was declaired descriminatory because it placed a heavier burden to vote on certain groups of citizens and was thus descriminatory. If the legislature of State of Texas wanted to create this law and make certain it was not descriminatory all they had to do was offer to provide said Photo ID by offering to do the photography and also offer to help those who do not have the required documentation to get the required documentation. The legislature chose to do none of the above and passed this law knowing it was discriminatory to certain groups of voters. The legislature thus is guilty of attempted voter surpression and all who voted for this law should be prosecuted.

Jerry, they are not the only minority's..................

mcp...

Technically those dead voters you cite likely did have ID's at some point in time. Are you saying we should now be descriminating against dead people ???

CALLING MR. HOLDER....ARE YOU OUT THERE, SIR....WE HAVE ANOTHER PROBLEM HERE !!!

LOL!

The aluminum foil hat crowd doesn't like for the government to know who they are. Since they aren't likely to be registered to vote in the first place, I don't see why anyone else is upset about it.

Republicans next strategy will be to vote in laws/Restrictions of your rights by requiring a person/male only to own a house and property of a certain size before his is allowed to vote.

whatthe...

You forgot about the machine guns, flamethrowers, and mustard gas cannisters.

Rascally Republicans...when will they ever stop ?

Libtard strategy:

Step 1. Push for amnesty for illegals so they will be grateful to you and loyal to you.

Step 2. Suppress states rights to authenticate voter registrations and identifications.

Step 3. Get them to vote early .... and vote often for Obama, even if you have to dig up those votes from the graveyard !

What the -

Yes, those internment camps intended to suppress voters rights are a pain, arent they?

I had to drive around three of them on my way to work this morning...

Other than that, your post had no actual facts or merit that I could see - only misinformation, disinformation, and outright lies.

Try again with some actual facts, or at least sentences based in reality....seriously....violence and attacking women?

You should be ashamed for being a bad liar...

I have a solution to shut up Holder and all of you Liberals. One Free ID if you cannot afford one before a presidential election. Seeing that everything else is free for the poor, housing, food etc might as well throw in an ID every 4 years. Whats your Liberal argument for that?

Wig, I agree. Just make it free. I have no problem with that. Nation wide.

Wig -

I only have one issue with that, unfortunately. although I sort of agree with you.

The libs claim voter fraud is basically nonexistant, which makes it a non problem.

why then should we spend even more money in order to solve a problem that does not exist, by their own logic?

Hmmm, you can't be forced to buy an ID but you can be forced to buy health insurance?

Nice try, you just ruined your own argument.

Not, why haven't there been voter fraud cases brought to the courts in any State, at any time, other than a handfull? Oh yah the Libbies control the whole voting process in every State,,LOL.

wig2160, your idea to provide a free ID to everyone in the country is excellent. Now just get ALEC to write that into their bill wording, and get a Republican legislator in every state to introduce that bill. Problem solved!

notalkingpoints, we should spend this money because it'll provide government voter ID's for all Americans. We'd be spending money to solve a problem YOU think exists. Sounds fair and logical to me.

"A reading test"...that would crush Mr. Obama's chances !

Not reading and understanding facts has put the Republican Party at a disadvantage. Instead of correcting the situation, Republicans have chosen to just make up facts and tell lies as truths. The gullible following minions just eat it up as if the National Enquirer gave them the information. America called this propaganda under Hitler.

Lies and propaganda coming from the democrat-communist party.

More disingenuos bull$hit from the left ! You libtards magically elevate your opinion to the status of "facts" then simply ignore calls for proof.

Thus far, there is no PROOF that the Texas photo I.D. law will cause discrimination. At this point, it is only a presumption of Holder's politically-motivated imagination !

Granny -

You might perhaps want to base your argument on things that happened this century, or at least in the latter half of the last century.

Otherwise, your credibility rests on the argument of "but look at what happened a hundred years ago!!!"

Whathte -

At least the republicans are smart enough to actually have IDs.....what exactly does that say about the gullibility of your party, that they are apparently not?

WTF,

Care to remember the controversy with the Black Panthers back in 2008 in Pa.?

Not reading and understanding facts has put the Republican Party at a disadvantage. Instead of correcting the situation, Republicans have chosen to just make up facts and tell lies as truths. The gullible following minions just eat it up as if the National Enquirer gave them the information. America called this propaganda under Hitler.

Well stated. Unfortunately, you can't argue with an idiot. It's like arguing with a door knob. Just move on. Can't wait for the debates.

JK, those two guys are still out there,,,,somewhere.

Far more Republicans have been caught cheating and it's on record. You just make crap up like a troll. Trolls don't use facts. So Common, you are just Fox Trolling.

Prove what you say communist slug, wtfh

Be right back. I have to go get the posts from yesterday and last week. I will be glad to shove them in your face joe

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Usef Obammy

Hey slave we will @!$%#e on your dead body

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Time to start shooting the treasonous government and the masses
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You can call me names joe, but you can't run for the truth. Republicans are Fascist and dangerous to America. You Joe, are not an American. You are a traitor to the USA.

Let's see what libtard publication whatthe brings back to us .... that is, if he can. My guess is an op-ed article from the Huffington Post ! LOL !!

So now, whatthe ..... posts irrelevant garbage from an article about Obamacare ? And that is supposed to prove his point ?? After failing miserably to prove his point, he then attacks Joe calling him a traitor ?

I guess 'what' has to try to prove he's not a traitor to himself. Too bad he has nothing but propaganda to prop up his claims...

Most rational people already know that Holder's loyalty is questionable. I mean, after 'Fast and Furious" and suing states over trying to enforce immigration laws, I consider him a traitor to the Constitution and everything that this country stands for

whatthef: If what you say is true about republicans being responsible for voter fraud, then what is your problem with showing an ID to vote?

Jim, 15 yard penalty for piling on!!!!!!!!!!!!

I go to a bank where a cousin of mine is employed as Assistant Branch Manager. When ever she sees me she will come to the teller window where I am and chit chat, sometimes she handles my transaction. We have known each other for about 40 years. Cousins you see.

Each time she asks to see MY IDENTIFICATION.

Ohh well, it is so demeaning, so difficult, so life threatening, so bone crushing for me to show my driver’s license on these occasions.

Holder has again revealed that neither he nor his socialist buds have a clue as to what an ID is or how it is to be used.

Holder is a candidate for frog marching to prison in a few months. This arrogant lawless fool has trifled with our rights far too long.

He needs to join the mooh latto in PRISON.

You have been in the cellar to long. Is your check mailed to you or direct deposited??

All yours joe! He comes for your party-Repubicans:

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And if you don't believe me when I say they are calling for herding the poor and taking their rights away:

Fred Guisse

As a country terribly divided we should consider the tough
solution offered by several Tea Party voices. It is time that we deny the poor
in this country the right to vote and leave that right only to the productive
members of our society.

Yes, that sounds cold, but those who have no investment to risk
should not be allowed to risk the investments of those who have made the effort
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WhatThe -

I do mean this kindly, honestly.

You appear to need some help, and I am asking you to get it - it is not good to walk around with your head this dangerously messed up. There are people out there who will help you.

"We all know that republicans will resort to violence"? Give me one link not from the far far left, or any verifiable proof that this is true, or go get the help you need.

Republicans need some help. They are the ones who have lost all reality. Republicans: No sense party. Hey nopoints, look up! Learn to read even though it's against all Republicans rules.

Not,

I suspect that WTF's monthly government check has not arrived and he's out of his meds...

The tea party was talking about taxes. Currently all people can vote to increase taxes like property taxes, sales taxes, etc. The question was is it right for non property owners to vote to increase the property taxes of property owners? Just like the poor voting to increase the taxes of people who make more then them. It is easy to want to increase other peoples taxes to get government handouts for you. But you screem when someone else want to raise your taxes. The problem is the poor who pay no taxes wants everyones taxes raised. The people making 100K want people making more then 100K to pay more. The Democrats just love taking our money to give out to people (many richer then those making 500K) to buy their votes, and more importantly get contrabutions.

During the Walker recall Democrats got pretty violent. The same violence happened during the Wall Street occupy movement.

300, read this please,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

. U.S. companies in total pay a smaller percentage of taxes than the lowest-income 20% of Americans.

Total corporate profits for 2011 were $1.97 trillion. Corporations paid $181 billion in federal taxes (9%) and $40 billion in state taxes (2%), for a total tax burden of 11%. The poorest 20% of American citizens pay 17.4% in federal, state, and local taxes.http://www.commondreams.org/view/2012/07/02-0

The poorest 20% of Americans pay a higher percentage of their income to taxes than many above their icome.

That is the purpose of the Federal Government,,,,,,,,,To preserve the welfare of the people,,,,,,, growth is what it is called.

Thanks Bob for providing some facts about the poor.

Clearly alot of people on the right have little to no understanding of poverty or they wouldn't be so quick to assign blame, disparage, and disenfranchise. Shame on them.

Whites are becoming less of the population and I'm tired of hearing them B**ch about everything...so we're even.

The National Association for the Advancement of COLORED PEOPLE is trying to tell me that I'm the RACIST?

The NAACP was founded by whites.

Holder is right in this case. Guns do not harm people, they tend to kill them. Texas ID law would harm the number of minorities and other non citizens that want to vote Democrat.

I gotta good suggestion for Obama and Holder... hire those who need jobs (legal, please) and have them drive all over Texas and help those who "would be required to drive long distances" obtain the ID. It will kill two birds with one stone. Put people to work and get ID for those who are legally eligible to vote. Oh I forget, that would make too much sense. My bad!

As I recall, the Republicans scored several 90% turnouts in counties in Southern Ohio and Northern Florida in 2004. That was very interesting since they needed those record turnouts in a year where the rest of the country was turning out at about 54%. Moreover, Republicans seemed to have perfected the mail out voter registration cards in such a way to boost their own absentee voting and fraudulently cancel some Democrats absentee voting. When it comes to cheating at elections, Republicans take second place to no one. First, the Republican secretaries of state send out notices telling non-felons that they are felons and cannot vote (usually to minority voters). Often, the discrepancy in places like Florida and Texas is in the tens of thousands. Oopie - doops. Second, they make sure minority polling places do not have sufficient resources or a sufficient number of ballots to handle heavy turnouts. St. Louis has got this down to a science. Now, Texas says a student I.D. may be no good, but a permit to carry a gun is O.K. Translation, students = 60% liberal, gun permitees = 70% conservative. Who do you think you are kidding?

You compair a school ID to a Gun permit? It takes a lot more to get a gun permit then a student ID. States offer State ID's or drivers licenses. Living in East Los Angeles you could walk to just about any corner and get a fake ID. And pay for it many did. If you can afford beers, you can afford an ID. The Democrats can get the absentee voting just as easily as Republicans. As for the Ballot issues Usually less then 30% turn out is normal, (sad but true) I have seen this happen before that there was a shorage of ballots, which was quickly retified. Of course you faild to mention the Black Panther reverse discrimination/intemadation.

"I don't know what will happen as this case moves forward, but I can assure you that the Justice Department's efforts to uphold and enforce voting rights will remain aggressive," the attorney general said.

Holder said the arc of American history has always moved toward expanding the electorate and that "we will simply not allow this era to be the beginning of the reversal of that historic progress."

"I will not allow that to happen," he added........

Actually I dont see the problem.

If the illegals just use their name, they still risk using a name that has already been used. But that is pretty unlikely since that means the name they have chosen is in their same voting precinct.

Many illegal aliens have drivers license, which is all that Texas requires to vote. They just want a picture ID of some kind, which can be acquired many places for nearly nothing.

So this is a joke of a problem. It wont stop illegals from voting, and it wont stop voter fraud.

The reason they cant find examples of voter fraud, is that the system is so shabby, they can find the fraud.

No it isn't all Texas requires to vote. What is wrong with you people? You have to be a registered voter. REGISTERED voter. If you aren't in the database, all the picture ID's in the world aren't going to allow you to vote, all the ID is for is to allow the person checking the database to have a picture and be able to say, yeah verily, you are you. And the address in the database has to be the address on the ID. Illegals have never been able to vote. This is such a non-issue it isn't even funny.