Great, another Re-run...

How about a Jobs Bill? How about cutting the deficits? How about Bi-Partisanship? How about Fixing Health-care...oh wait...on second thought..forget those other things...lets just have a few more months of reruns and political infighting

At this point, I just have to laugh...The RNC and DNC are for the RNC and DNC and only for the RNC and DNC...and if you cant see that by know, I have a Dark Matter Bridge I would like to sell you....

This is all a big show to Lord Voldebama. Only wants to lower taxes on a yearly basis so he can have talking points the rest of the time. Just like tells us how well GM is doing when last month the govenment bought 79% of the GM cars sold. Yep we are doing so well.

So when the obama tax cuts are EVIL....they're called the;"Bush tax cuts"....and when obama's pandering for votes,they're STILL called the Bush tax cuts........I guess just in case it doesn't work out,...he can blame someone else..........................after all........he IS still running for re-election,.....since 2008....................U.S. Army Disabled Veteran

Obama made a Big Deal of creating the Debt Reduction Committee, spent alot of money on it, then when Simpson-Bowles turned in their plan to Obama, as soon as they left the Oval office he tossed in in the Oval Office trash can....

This has nothing to do with reducing the budget deficit or the national debt...Obama doesn't care how large they are.....Election Year politics all over again....Back to Back to Back Deflections that his "in the pocket" media lap up to keep drawing attention away from all his failed economic policies....

Does he really think that the Unemployment Rate ticking back up is showing the Economy is heading in the right direction ??? Cause that's what he's been saying...

earning less than $250,000 a year, according

I would consider anybody that makes $250,000 in good shape to pay a little more than the person than makes less than $100,000.

Honestly, making $250,000 a year is not a reflection of the middle class any more. I guess most of us fall into "working poor" Not enough to make ends meet, but being squeezed every time that we buy groceries, gas or pay our bills.

EEngineer....I totally agree, but you know as well as I do the Republicans will never pass this, in a way I hope they don't then maybe people will wake up and see how they are only for themselves and not the American people.

I live in Mich "retired" make under 30,000 and have had two tax increases since 2010 when we elected a Rep Gov. because gov snyder said every one had to do there fair share. Right! he turned around and gave tax cuts to business owners, now wants to build a bridge to Canaada on tax payer dollars! Keep voting gop and we will have nothing

How about another jobs bill?

you think it would we as effective as the first one?

Must be seeing a problem in the polls, so it is time to buy a few more votes.

With the historic increases in our National Debt it is time that all taxpayers bear the burden to support the high costs of this government. It is not the time for Mr Obama to buy his constituency again. Do not pass anymore tax cuts for specific classes of citizens. Just let the Obama/Bush Tax Cuts expire.

How about another GOP promise of 'more jobs' by cutting corporate taxes. Yep, that's been really effective for the United States. OH wait, I should be more forthcoming. Yes, it did create JOBS.. in OTHER Countries. Gotta love how those corporations took advantage of a GOP sponsored tax cut for american corporations that move jobs to other countries.

THis is good news for the middle class...I am sure though the GOP Conservatives will find a way to block it. The only tax cuts should be for the 1%...

So, you hope they don't pass it cause it will show America that they are just for themselves. Sounds like you are just thinking about yourself and really concerned about the middle class.

What a bunch of hypocrite!!

Obama smiled and interjected, "Shovel-ready was not as ... uh .. shovel-ready as we expected." The Council, led by GE's Jeffrey Immelt, erupted in laughter

Thevolget,

The American Jobs Act would have boosted the speed of the economic recovery

A bill killed with the help of a few Democrats in the SENATE which is controlled by Democrats.

Strange isn't it that the states that elected Republican Governors the unemployment rates decreased after they cut spending and lowered taxes on everyone? Now let's look at Democrat states like California who is barely hanging on who wants their citizens to pay more and more in taxes to keep spending.

Why are they calling this the "Bush Tax Cut"? If Obama is only going to tax people making over $250,000 a year then it's not the "Bush Tax Cut" anymore. It's a new tax increase that will put us in a recession. Small business owners like myself will be forced into layoffs.

Mitt Romney - Experience to be POTUS:

TRAVELER:

1966, after one year at Stanford University, he spent thirty months in France as a Mormon missionary.

IVY LEAGUE EDUCATED:

1971, he earned a Bachelor of Arts degree in English from Brigham Young University and, in 1975, a joint Juris Doctor and Master of Business Administration from Harvard University as a Baker Scholar.

FINANCIALLY CONNECTED:

1977, entered the management consulting industry, which in, led to a position at Bain & Company.
1984, co-founded the spin-off Bain Capital, a private equity investment firm that became highly profitable and one of the largest such firms in the nation. His net worth is estimated at $190–250 million, wealth that has helped fund his political campaigns.

RELIGIOUS

Active in The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, he served as bishop of his ward and laterstake president in his area near Boston.

POLITICAL LOSER

1994, ran as the Republican candidate in the 1994 U.S. Senate election in Massachusetts, losing to long-time incumbent Ted Kennedy.

SPORTS LEADER

1999, he was hired as President and CEO of the Salt Lake Organizing Committee for the 2002 Winter Olympics and Paralympics,

1 AND ONLY POLITICAL POST HELD

2002 elected Governor of Massachusetts in but did not seek re-election in 2006.

POLITICAL LOSER (2.0)

Romney ran for the Republican nomination in the 2008 U.S. presidential election, winning several primaries and caucuses but losing the nomination to John McCain. In the following years, he gave speeches and raised campaign funds on behalf of his fellow Republicans.

Now with all this "experience" he wants your vote to lead the Largest Economy and Most Powerful Nation in the World.

Bush Tax Cuts ended end of 2010. After the 2010 election debacle, Obama approved the bi-partisan extension to 2012. Obama owns the tax cuts now. They are the Obama tax cuts and he should take full credit for them.

Obama and the Democrats also own the Obamacare Mandate Tax.

George Bush, Jr., Jr.

@ about that;

Looks like a hell of lot more experience than Obama had in 2008.

Bill 8577242 The GOP was holding hostage unemployment extensions if the tax cuts were not keep. And, yes the Democrats are for healthcare for all and having all that are able to pay---to pay. So call the afforadable health care a tax/penalty or whatever. I'd rather not be paying for people that can pay, tie up ER and have my insurance premium rise because of it. Remember, you don't have to have insurance but, if you don't you will pay a tax/penalty. Just bring your bank book to the clinic and ER when you come.

about that
Mitt Romney - Experience to be POTUS:

Looks good - More experience than Mr Obama had

I suppose Obama thinks we won't notice the tax, via his AHC he just put ON the middle class if he does this. Yep...it's an election year alright.

@ about that #1.25

Better than Saturday night live...So this time experience counts...I think you may be in the wrong line of work

Obama to seek extension for some Bush tax cuts

The Tea Party should be ecstatic about these tax cuts. After all, TPers are aginst taxes - no matter who they are for, right?

Small business owners like myself will be forced into layoffs.

If you make $250,000 a year, you are better off than many. The fact is, you people can't have it both ways. If Obama does not raise taxes, then he borrows more, and he gets us more in debt. If he raises taxes, all of you complain.

The GOP would not be any different. There really is not a magic formula. The only way to reduce debt is by increasing taxes. Mitt Romney considers "lay-offs" a necessary evil, so why are you complaining?

It stands to reason that if inflation is steadily rising you would continue the Tax cuts..But it will surly get blocked again by our remarkable republicans who are the great and powerful, now that they control congress, still" no jobs", Oh wait its election time, lets make it suck for everyone they'll think its Obama's fault ! ..The Tax cuts should not only continue they should be less.

obama-azz

Do you know why the Chinese love the GOP Obama? His jobs programs are successful there.

Wait, I must be confused.. You say Obama? I would have assumed this was the GOP. Why not export jobs to China where they have little or "NO" regulation on the environment. Can pay their laborers pennies on the dollar, not worry about health care insurance, user questionable materials (remember what happened with pet food), and get a tax cut from the american people. know I love paying higher taxes so the corporate sponsors of the GOP can get richer.....

Hope you don't mind the correction.

Aggie-345886

I suppose Obama thinks we won't notice the tax, via his AHC he just put ON the middle class if he does this. Yep...it's an election year alright.

I'm still waiting for every single Republican who voted against the healthcare to give up their socialist, taxpayer-funded health insurance. After all, they wouldn't want to benefit from something that is so horrible for the rest of us....

Do you know why the Chinese love Obama?

His jobs programs are successful there

You have absolutely no basis for this statement. The "job creators" are the ones who ship jobs oveerseas. Get over yourself posting so many comments against President Obama, and research the issues.

bayllie
Obama to seek extension for some Bush tax cuts

The Tea Party should be ecstatic about these tax cuts. After all, TPers are aginst taxes - no matter who they are for, right?

bayllie
You and your ilk should love them. After all, democrats don't like to pay their part for anything.

ItsAboutTime-3704531

obama-azz

Wait, I must be confused.. You say Obama? I would have assumed this was the GOP.

You are not confused (obviously). When the Dems wanted to close tax loopholes that reward offshoring jobs, the Republican hypocrites filibustered the bill.

So thanks to the Republicans, companies benefit from offshoring (cheaper labor) AND they get rewarded for doing so by getting tax breaks.

But that's Obama's fault that the Republican hypocrites would not even have the balls to vote on a bill that makes sense...they killed it so their vote would not even go on record.

I guess if the Jones' have 3 three cars in the driveway the Smiths' are ENTITLED to have the same.

NH_Shellback

You and your ilk should love them. After all, democrats don't like to pay their part for anything.

NO democrats pay their fair share. Show me where the dems are the ones who continue corporate welfare subsidies, loopholes in the tax code for large corporations, or sponsor tax cuts for american corporations that move jobs overseas.

As for the affordable health care act. We can simply change the name to "RomneyCare". Then the GOP can 'claim' credit for it.

bayllie

Awesome comments as usual. I couldn't agree more.

"President Barack Obama will call on Monday for a one-year extension of Bush-era tax cuts for families earning less than $250,000 a year,"

Reruns are boring.

By the way - what's 'fair share' mean.

The top 10% already pay 70% of the income taxes, the upper middle class (40%) pay 30%, and the lower middle class and poor (50%) pay 0%.

I would much prefer closing the loopholes that the rich use to avoid taxes, and experts say that this alone would generate about $800 Billion in new tax revenues over 10 years.

And they are no longer the 'Bush tax cuts' - those expired 2010. They are now the Obama tax cuts.

ROY WILSON-336103

Reruns are boring.

Wow, I can finally agree w/you on something else. Reruns are boring... so let's not elect BUSH 3 (Romney). Also agree on closing the loopholes as well. Wow, two things..

FACT.... The Big Bad GOP won't vote for tax cuts unless they are for EVERYONE! And I say good for them! If you give a bone to one dog you gotta give a bone to all the dogs, because anything else would be considered favoritism and is just plain WRONG! It would create dissension and cause a sort of class warfare and a division of the American People. If you can't see that then you are a lost socialistic moron. Just because someone has more of ???? whatever than you do does not give you or the Government the right to penalize them solely based on that fact. There should be NO redistribution of wealth.. and that is simply the bottom line when you speak of giving and incentive/cut to one group and not to the rest! The GOP is not just for the Rich and wealthy, they are for all people no matter how deep their back pockets are. So stop your lefty whining about " those guys make more money than these guys so we shouldn't give them the same level playing field at all.. they can afford to pay more so we should make them pay more! THAT IS BULLSH&T! And deep down if you can't see that then you are a lost cause!

ItsAboutTime-3704531

You would seriously like a to watch Obama 2? It was a big flop the first time around.

How about making the Tax cuts permanent congress, so we don't have to go down this road again..I shouldn't of said again nothing is getting better on this end!

I blame Bush for helping Americans then! LOL

I said it above, but will reiterate it here;

Close the tax loopholes for the rich - that alone could raise about $800 Billion over 10 years and increase the share of income taxes paid by the top 10% from 70% to close to 80% without affecting the middle class and poor.

I thank that is more than 'fair'.

By the way - increasing taxes on the 'rich' won't really help the middle class and poor - the government will still spend everything they collect and then some.

If we keep taxing the rich (except the super rich politicians) what happens when all the rich leave America? The Facebook guy was said to have saved Millions by leaving America.

Question;

If the Bush tax cuts were so good and popular and even Obama extended them when the Democrats controlled the White House and both houses of Congress, why is Bush disliked so much?

Maybe he wasn't so bad after all.

NH_Shellback

bayllie
Obama to seek extension for some Bush tax cuts

bayllie
You and your ilk should love them. After all, democrats don't like to pay their part for anything.

sorry to disapoint you but I pay income tax (federal and state), real estate tax, excise tax, sales tax, and any other tax there is so your statement is a total LIE.

Surely Barry will not go against Queen Pelosi...after all the runs the country...she thinks!

Roy...Barry sure has taken a liking to the tax cuts.

Rockyroad-531554 "If we keep taxing the rich (except the super rich politicians) what happens when all the rich leave America? The Facebook guy was said to have saved Millions by leaving America."

Shush - Don't you know that it's not about actually raising taxes - it's about rhetoric to win elections.

By the way - he didn't save $millions - it was more like hundreds of $millions by moving overseas where he thought the tax system was more 'fair' for entrepenuers who start successful companies. I wonder if that has something to do with investors creating jobs in other countries but not here?

ROY WILSON-336103

I'd rather have Obama than Romney. Obama hasn't done everything right, but Romney would continue to turn this country into "The United States of Corporate America". Romney's flip flopping whatever way the wind blows. Obama is the obvious and right choice.

There is way to much to comment on why Bush is disliked so much. He will go down in history as the worst president in US History. Although.. if Romney gets elected, he may improve his standing in history.

Thank-you President Obama for protecting my Family, and protecting the Families of Policemen, Firefighters, Teachers, People of Color, Gays, Mexican/American citizens, the Chicano population, all Women, People of Faith, Freedom Loving Independents, and of course all those Undecided Voters.......

from all Domestic Terrorists, all those crazy-wacko Teabaggers, and of course from all those Knuckle dragging, Neandrethal Republicans and Conservatives.

and a special thank-you President Obama for also protecting us from Mitt Romney and his plans and strong desire to Destroy the Middle Class.

Hidden Swiss Bank accounts to hide his ill-gotten Bain loot?

phony off-shore Cayman Island shell-companies to laundry any reportable income that's left?

all us Middle-class folk and all us Undecided Voters will Vote a straight Democratic ticket this November 2012.

ROY WILSON-336103

You would seriously like a to watch Obama 2? It was a big flop the first time around.

Big flop would have been if Obama inherited a low debt, low unemployment, balanced budget, NO WARS, smaller government, etc, and put us in an almost total financial collapse like we witnessed in 2008.

But hey, it's easy to pick on the president that inherited total $hit for economy and say he's not fast enough, while giving a pass to one that took 8 years to totally destroy it.

Now YOU want to put Romney in the White House who proved that being 47th out of 50 is something he is proud of.

I'm still waiting for every single Republican who voted against the healthcare to give up their socialist, taxpayer-funded health insurance. After all, they wouldn't want to benefit from something that is so horrible for the rest of us....

More money has been lobbied to block Obama care in any other time in history,Who do you suppose are involved in that, "not health care providers"..Insurance companies and pharmaceutical.

Each year 750 thousand families go bankrupt in America from health care costs or being turned away, no other civilized country does that..We are 37th in the world for care..

If Obama made this part of an overall plan to reduce the deficit, I might agree with it. But, when done in isolation like this, it just sounds like politics to me.

What I would like to see is a plan that had tax increases for everyone and spending cuts - both based on explicit targets such as specific GDP and/or employment numbers.

ROY WILSON-336103

Question;

If the Bush tax cuts were so good and popular and even Obama extended them when the Democrats controlled the White House and both houses of Congress, why is Bush disliked so much?

Answer

Because the Republicans were willing to throw the unemployed and the 9/11 Responders under the bus if they didn't get their way.

Senate Republicans blocked Obama’s plan to end the tax cuts for top earners - so again - Republicans take care of the rich while they don't give a flyin' .... about the unemployed and those who ran into the WTC buildings to save others and paid with their health.

Thank for bringing that up, Roy.

Rocky.......wrote...."If we keep taxing the rich (except the super rich politicians) what happens when all the rich leave America?"

The rich take every tax break they can to avoid paying any taxes......What happens when they leave?....They are tax dodgers....if you really find one besides facebook baby.....let them go. Like Romney and his numerous offshore accounts...tax dodger....And you repubs want a tax dodger to be your president?

What plan does Romney have? NONE! He supports the Ryan plan that gives him over $700,000 tax break and middle class $200,000 and under gets stuck with a 20% tax increase to pay for more tax breaks for Romney and rich.

The facts are because of numerous tax breaks...the 1% are not paying their fair share of taxes. Repubs block every attempt to close the massive loop holes.

I'm really sick of President Bush making Barrack ruin our country and I'm sick of President Bush breaking all of Barrack's promises. One thing is for sure, as long as Barrack's in the White House, SO IS PRESIDENT BUSH! The only way to get rid of Bush is to fire Barrack. I'm pretty sure if we take Barrack out of the White House, Bush will leave too. So, in November of 2012, let’s get rid of Bush once and for all!

Bye Bye Libbies!

Lusitania

Each year 750 thousand families go bankrupt in America

What is sad is that the only protection people had from devastating occurances like Katrina and cancer (for example) was also taken away from them.

Bush signed into law the second major piece of domestic legislation enacted by the Republican-controlled Congress in 2005.

The bill was largely written by the financial interests, who have spent $40 million and eight years lobbying Congress for a measure to make it more difficult for individuals to escape debt repayment.

Bush's statement: “America is a nation of personal responsibility, where people are expected to meet their obligations,” and this is the guy who mortgaged America to pay for his fraudulent wars and tax cuts for the rich.

About that

Gee you missed draft-dodger, dog hater, corporate rader, andd the magic underwear!

Here's the realties you chose to ignore.

A Baker Scholor is an Honor given to the top 5% of the Class. Obama is NOT a Baker Scholar.

Mr Bain was so impressed with Romney's scholastic record he hired him. He was so impressed with Romney's performance created Bain Capital and put Mitt in charge under his watchful Eyes. Being Bain Capital grew rapidly and has no equal Mr. Bain was a really smart consumer by purchasing Romney's services.

Bain Capital specializes in investing in failing companies that in the right configuration can prosper and grow. Obama's claim to fame with business is basically as a lawyer for the community basically blackmailing Citibank to give mortgages to poor communities that couldn't afford to pay for and had not record of paying a loan.

President of Stake in LDS is the highest, non-clergical position a Mormon can hold in the LDS System. The best business people often gain the highest non-clergical positions in any church

Losing to Ted Kennedy is no surprise. Ted was a god to democrats and Massachusetts is heavily democrat.

Hired by the Salt Lake Olympic Committee after the guy who won the bid ran the project into bankruptcy. One of the conditions for Mitt to take over was he couldn't fire the guy who won the bid. Mitt not only kept him but put him were he could make a useful contriubution. Mitt's work on the Salt Lake Olympics has been the blueprint for a successful Olympics and is even used by the communist countries.

Obama's performance with GM is not nearly so successful. The Volt, production suspended probably permanently. The US still holds about 50 Billion of unpaid debt in stock that cannot be sold even in the distant future without a loss. The Big winner, the Union pensions were fully funded. The big losers, the American Taxpayers and 401K investors who received Ten Cents on the dollar of what they invested.

Being a republican to get elected to be the Massachusetts Governor in a democrat dominated state is no small feat. Couple that with having a democrat dominated legistlature, the policies he was able to get enacted took Massachusetts from 49th in Job Creation to 47th. Hint Democratic policies are the biggest job killers and democratic politicians are the biggest road blocks to industry.

Obama never held a management position in or out of government other than his short tenure as the Harvard Law Review Editor. It is an honor bestowed by the academics who chose without disclosing their reasons, and not by the students.

Mitt's compromise with the democrats on Massachusetts Care amounts to Aaron making a golden calf idol because the people wanted one while Moses was on the mount to get the 10 commandments. But after punishment for the evil, Aaron became a good high priest.

Mitt chose not to run for re-election. Yes, there is doubt that he would have won again, but Mitt's real desire was to achieve a goal his father did not. President of the United States in 2008. As seems typical of the Republican party, to get the nomination, even if you are a better choice than the experienced front running candidate, you lose the first time. This also happened to Reagan back in 1976.

I'm afraid you are just trying to validate your opinion by minimization instead of the real strength of Obama - which is overshadowed by Mitt.

73% of all Americans agree that the rich should pay more taxes.

@phean, what is your problem? When well known facts are put on the table you refuse to at least say that there may be something here.

You and that Roy wilson must be touch hole buddies pecking at the same keyboard.

Thevolget

Bring something new to the table not just more kool-aid for the Obama worshipers.

Obama's narrow ideology is what slowing our economy. Many small businell will have to send more people home , small familie business, restaurans , small construction busines that make over 250 k, but the class warfare is more important for Obama than our country, 5 trillions in debts , 14 %unemployment ( real numbers ) , however, if he is worry about the economy and our economy he should stop sending money to Muslim countries in Middle East, bring our troops home and sending to the border with Mexico where criminals are crossing the border day and night.

If you are concern about your country, about the unity of our country,about illegal immigration, about the debt, about national our defense, about our foreign policy, about energy independent,about the leaks of confidential information from the White House , about how Obama is giving up our freedom signing agreementswith UN to regulate our gun rights, if you want to lose your freedom to chose about your heath, about how Obama is sending our money overseas to outsource jobs in companies head to bankruptcy. Do not vote for Obama

Romney will do better. He is proud of our country , his wife is also proud ( not for her first time) ,no apologies needed for be a great country, he won't subscribe agreements to undercut our freedom from foreign nations, he will stop illegal immigration, he will move toward energy independet, he will help entrepreneurs and investor bring their money back to our country and create more jobs, he will stop the grow of the government, he will start balancing the budget. If you want freedom, better economy, border control, balance budget. Vote for Romney.

ROY WILSON-336103

By the way - increasing taxes on the 'rich' won't really help the middle class and poor - the government will still spend everything they collect and then some.

It wont help social programs that are being cut to the bone in any state with a (r) governor? My brilliant governor in PA is already slashing (or has already slashed) public education, adult mental health and adult basic health care for the working poor. He seems to have categorically pissed off every elected official in the state regardless of party affiliation.

bayllie

What does state, real estate tax, excise tax, and sales tax have to do with the discussion regarding Federal Income Tax?

Why do democrats constantly want to raise taxes on only one group of taxpayers? I am in the middle class and pay my fair share of taxes, but I am willing to support having the Obama/Bush Tax Custs expire to damper the historic increases in the Nation Debt we have experienced during this administration.

ItsAboutTime-3704531 "There is way to much to comment on why Bush is disliked so much. He will go down in history as the worst president in US History."

The record doesn't agree with you - in fact, if you look at the 'Misery Index' that Jimmy Carter used to get elected (combined Unemployment + Inflation Rates), Bush had the second best overall record in the last 40 years - 8.11% (very close to Clinton 7.80%) - Carter was the worst, and got as high as 21.98% a few months before the 1980 election. Here's the link - look at the average 'Misery Index' for recent Presidents;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misery_index

ItsAboutTime-3704531

Awesome comments as usual. I couldn't agree more.

ditto

Baillie

Hating the rich is like hating your mother and father. It doesn't get you very far.

funny how some still think that the "do nothing" Senate is controlled by GOP! I do not remember a Senate that passed as few bill as this Senate and they still could not work to passing any bills...

ThaMonkeh.....While I agree with the general sentiment of your post, the fact is that people in poverty do not pay any Federal income taxes, so their taxes cannot be cut. Too many are in poverty because there is no incentive for them to get out of poverty, the next step does not give them any gains. Once they are on public assistance or medicaide, any step they take to get back in the work force costs them more in benefits than they gain by a minimum wage type job. We need to limit the time people are allowed to stay on medicaide and other public assistance and wean them off of it by not cutting all their beneifts as soon as they start working at a low paying job that offers no benefits. This same thing holds true for extended unemployment benefits as well. People do the math and realize that they are ahead of the game staying home for as long as possible because the expense of commuting to a job, clothing, child care, etc makes it financially advantageous to stay home as opposed to taking a lower paying job. AFter the initial 26 week payout covered in most states, extended benefits should decline on a weekly basis to get people motivated to get out and take a job, any job, to get back to work. The illegals take the jobs Americans don't want, lets give them a financial reason to want those jobs !

Funny moment- The President has been pressing for no tax cuts, but raising taxes to pay for more spending ideas he's having. Now that his policies are proving not to have succeeded (stimulus- billions for thousands of temporary jobs? Money going to donors and failing companies owned by them? Shutting down domestic energy production and being surprised at a lack of new jobs. Introducing multiples of new restrictions to business, new taxes to business, and being surprised that they aren't hiring anymore. New restrictions to small/mid-sized businesses and being surprised that they aren't creating new jobs AND closing their doors. Encouraging Congress to spend more and more without regard to the damage on the dollar, and being surprised that our creditors are not amused. Etc., Etc.)

Now that his polls are sluggish the President is resolving to call for "Obama tax cuts"- not extension of the "Bush tax cuts"- to help the middle class. What really is happening is that the President's advisors are realizing that their utopian ideas of crushing the rich and redistributing the wealth to the masses isn't working, spending massively and penalizing the productive isn't working, and the government taking over larger aspects of the US and it's economy isn't going as smoothly as planned. They have to shore up and there are a few tax and spending issues that are ending that if not renewed we will further slow the economy (the Bush taxcuts, a highway spending bill, student loan interest rates) and cost the people. So, the President is going to call for those tax breaks- along with MORE taxes on the wealthy. He can't let go to his class warfare but he needs money- like any politician- so he's hamstrung.

It's going to get interesting and bumpy. Fasten your seatbelts.

DB Akron

Baillie

Hating the rich is like hating your mother and father. It doesn't get you very far.

I don't hate the rich, I just hate how some of them make there money: Enron execs were rich, Bernie Maddoff was rich, Romney - who is against women's right to choose but profits from a company that disposes aborted fetuses - is rich, Gov. Rick Scott who ripped off Medicare is rich, etc.

Get my point?

NH>>>>>>>>>>>>FACT 73% of all AMERICANS WANT THE RICH TO PAY MORE TAXES. Not just a Democratic plan, AMERICAN PLAN!

Repubs Dick Cheney says..."The deficit doesn't matter".......Now that repubs spent and gave tax breaks to the rich and crashed the economy...Oh NOW it matters....a little false indignation on repubs part.

The day after President took office 14-15 repub politicians met and pledged to vote against every bill that would help President Obama make the economy better. They pledged to take the economy down to make President Obama a one term president. They actually used words saying hey had to act like the Taliban do, like the insurgents. Paul Ryan, Cantor, Gingrich and Jim DeMint were 4 of them that pledged to take the economy down. That is the same plan Bin Laden put in writing to destroy the United States. Take the economy down. Newt Gingrich said that meeting sowed the seeds of the 2012 election. Record obstruction and voter Suppression laws by republicans trying to take the economy down and trying to prevent the young, the elderly and the poor from voting. All to win the election. Putting repubs above the nation economic recovery. Traitors.

Reference : Richard Draper new book.

Vote President Obama/Biden 2012

NH_Shellback

bayllie

What does state, real estate tax, excise tax, and sales tax have to do with the discussion regarding Federal Income Tax?

you said people like me don't like to pay our part for anything so I pointed out that among income tax, I pay OTHER taxes as well. Are you so confused by your own lies that you don't remember what YOU write???

bayllie
You and your ilk should love them. After all, democrats don't like to pay their part for anything.

About That...for some reason you failed to list Obama's qualifications for being POTUS!

"Senior Lecturer" (not a Professor) at the University of Chicago Law School - taught 3 classes a year.

Community Organizer was his Title, but, was actually more like legal council.

State Senator who voted "Present" 168 times because he either couldn't decide or refused to take a position on an issue.

US Senator who won election because Obama's campaign used a technicality to get all the other candidates off the ballot - Alan Keyes (R) stepped in a month before the election as the only opponent. Obama then spent only 143 days as a Senator in Washington before becoming President.

Drug user/drug dealer by his own admission in his book.

Used race to get ahead/get what he wanted (even though he's half white) and blamed others whenever he failed (sounds familiar) - in his book.

POTUS with failed policies, added $5 Trillion to US Debt, 8.2% (actual U6 over 14%) Unemployment (40 months over 8%), Billions in grants to "Green Companies" that have declared bankruptcy, Gov't Agencies issuing 60 - 70,000 pages of regulations a year, strangling companies/businesses to the point of closure.

Claims of "Job Creation" a stretch - to the Obama Administration, a person that renews their contract with a firm, business, etc. (even a pro athlete), is a job "created", a person working for a company/business and attends a class paid for by that company/business - if they receive a certificate it is concidered a "job created". A news reporter, a bicycle shop worker, a janitor, a gas station attendant, workers in a boat mfr factory/boat supply store, workers in a garment factory - all are concidered "Green Jobs".

Immigration, Fast & Furious, ObamaCare passed w/o anyone reading it with 75% of taxes contained in it to be borne by people with incomes of $120,000 or less, suing states for requiring an ID to show you are a resident of that state to vote...

Yup...need four more years of Obama...

Lusitania

We are 37th in the world for care.

Libbies PLEASE! Stop parroting this completely useless "statistic".

This is from a 1999-2000 study by the World Health Organization! Yes, over 12 years ago. They stopped publishing this data since then because of its complexity to derive and its many ambiguous assertions.

Perhaps what you should be ashamed of is that we have the world’s highest corporate tax rate. At 35%, and with State taxes reaching 39.2%, we stand atop the world as the most expensive place to do business in the world.

Now, before you embarrass yourselves and start blurting your usual talking points that corporations don't pay that much, perhaps you should consider why? When your idol Warren Buffett ties up BILLIONS of tax payments for nearly a decade, it should be obvious. We have an antiquated criminal progressive tax system. The tax brackets are merely a number to appease the unwashed masses, the TAX CODE is the problem. When you have tens of thousands of pages of tax code who do you think it was created for? Yes, for those that can afford the army of accountants, MBA's, tax lawyers and consultants, the rich. Of course the usual Liberal solution is to get rid of the "loopholes". Sure, go ahead, get rid of them. Now, see how long it takes the criminals in our government to write new tax laws that can be manipulated. Or, better yet, wait until the next batch of math and economics geeks graduate from Harvard, MIT, Berkley or Wharton's and are hired to find new loopholes.

You all sit here and get your panties all bunched up because taxes aren't "fair" but all you want to do is tweak it until the politicians can create more "unfairness". We are a consumption/service sector economy yet we still tax based on production. The simple solution is to trash our current irrational tax system and replace it with a system that takes advantage of consumption. A FAIR Tax or static FLAT Tax are the only options. The more intelligent solution is to return to a more balanced economy between service and long term domestic exportable manufacturing. But that's a whole different discussion.

@ Lusitania - there will be no difference in the number of American families who go bankrupt under Obamacare. Why, because there is nothing in there to keep them from going bankrupt. Also, just because ther will be the opportunity to purchase health care while having a pre-existing condition does not mean that premium will be affordable. Those who are not under the 400% margin for the poverty level in the US will be in exactly the same boat they are now.

Obama has made what he calls "tax fairness" a key feature of his campaign for re-election on November 6, repeatedly urging Congress to make the tax cuts permanent for families making less than $250,000 a year.

Just like the "taxes" we will be paying in Obamacare? Looks just like another shell game to me. The Sheeple need to stop supporting this man. But these are the same people who believe the deceptive talking point "most corporations don't pay tax" and "corporations aren't people." When the truth is 2/3 of the corporations in America are "S" corps. S corp do not pay corporate taxes. Their Officers pay that tax as part of their personal income tax. So the tax is paid and it is directly paid by PEOPLE!

NOBAMA 2012 Which will benefit the people of America!

Baillie

Enron people went to jail because they cooked the books while robbing Peter pay Paul less.

Maddoff also went to jail for cheating people in a pure pyramid scheme.

Romney and Bain didn't cheat anyone.

Bain mostly takes failing companies and re-works them to profitability. Sometimes the only way to turn them around is bankruptcy. For those companies that go into bankruptcy, after bankruptcy, the companies start turning a profit and most start growing That is how they make their money. Worse yet, they get demonized for taking profits, but profits end up going into other failing companies that they end up turning around.

77% of the companies Bain Capital has invested in are still in existence and profitable. GS steel was their biggest failure. I've looked through the problem companies. Companies like Ampad and Stage Stores suffered from expansion joined with a suddenly shrinking market. Both recovered especially Stage Stores which is about the same size it was at the point of Bankruptcy. Ampad is profitable, but the paper market is still shrinking and they have been sold 3 times in the last 10 years. GS Steel suffered from a round of steel dumping. The "loading up on debt" was re-tooling to more efficient equipment to compete or fail. part of the debt was purchasing Georgia Steel. That purchase was to bring an experienced manager on board who they thought would improve competitiveness and at the same time cut costs by consolidating management, Sales, and administration. The Experienced manager quit after one year, and GS spent the next several years trying several other managers who ran the business into the ground with $553 million in debts.

Some of you really need to stop, freaking whining about paying your taxes. The ability to tax and spend, is the sign of a healthy and strong nation. Lower taxes isn't less government, it's poorly funded government.

Don't want to be "taxed" under ACA, here's an idea...

Go back to mandating that the states expand Medicaid for those who can't afford it, and fund this through the repeal of the Bush Tax Cuts for those making $250,000/year or more.

That way, the middle class won't see any tax increases AND have healthcare.

Now, let the screaming of "Alinsky" (although 90% of you had never even heard of him until 2011), begin...

The government has had it wrong for years. In an attempt to be popular and secure another term, congress and the president have consistently cut taxes during boom times. The government should keep taxes consistent to build up a surplus. Former president Bush gave everyone a tax cut from the surplus created by the boom during his first couple years and former president Clinton's final years. Bad move.....the market constantly "re-adjusts" itself usually leading to a recession. It is during these times that more people become un-employed and need assistance. The surpluses created during these boom times should be used to fund unemployment assistance, food stamps, medicaid, medicare, and social security. If there is any surplus left over, then taxes should be cut in an attempt to spur more spending and get the economy rolling again. When it does, taxes should be raised to replenish the coffers for the next "adjustment". Of course it's suicide for any politician to raise taxes, so I don't ever see this happening.

Obama, a Democrat, will make the request in a statement at the White House

Gee MSNBC, thanks for letting us know that Obama is a Democrat!!! I thought Bush's tax cuts were BAD!!! That's what we've been told anyway....

Let's see if we can straighten this up a bit...

Bush Tax Cuts for the entire income spectrum, coupled with two wars and Medicare Part D = Bad

Bush Tax Cuts for the middle class, during a slow recovery = Not Bad

Let's see if we can straighten this up a bit...

Bush Tax Cuts for the entire income spectrum, coupled with two wars and Medicare Part D = Bad

Bush Tax Cuts for the middle class, during a slow recovery = Not Bad

Thevolget

he's been trying to help the American people, it's been *cough**cough* Congressional Republicans, that have blocked his attempts.

While you are coughing up your hair ball………you might want to have a little chat with Harry Reid, the biggest obstructionist!

Senate Democrats forced to block Obama's jobs bill

http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/inside-politics/2011/oct/4/senate-democrats-forced-block-obama-jobs-bill/

Senate Republicans tried to make Democrats hold a quick vote on President Obama's jobs-stimulus bill Tuesday, but were blocked by Senate Majority Harry Reid, the Nevada Democrat who is sponsoring Mr. Obama's bill but who said other matters take priority.

Mr. Reid said that bill has been waiting for years, and takes precedence over the president's jobs-stimulus.

Meanwhile, the White House has refused to say whether it supports the China bill Mr. Reid has prioritized ahead of the jobs measure.

So the DEMOCRATS don’t see JOBS as a PRIORITY

> The Dems fought for the South, as they were the pro-slavery party. The Republican party saved the union and ended slavery.

It's time for the GOP to save the country again :)

Simple facts, check them out.

The Democrats of the Civil War are the Republicans of today; they were conservative, had their base in the South, and opposed the federal government at every turn. The Republicans of the Civil War are the Democrats of today; they were liberal, had their base in the North, and supported a larger federal role in the economy and in society. Republicans used to be the party for the people, and were exemplified by great men like Abe Lincoln, Teddy Roosevelt, and Dwight D. Eisenhower. The Democrats got wise and emulated the Republicans, and took their place as the liberals and progressives when the GOP went conservative. Both parties, however, were ideologically equal in the 50s and 60s, excluding race issues, and both could find common ground. Nowadays, the Democrats are more moderate than their predecessors, and the Republicans are far more conservative than their predecessors of the pre-1970 GOP. Read your history.

The simple solution is to trash our current irrational tax system and replace it with a system that takes advantage of consumption. A FAIR Tax or static FLAT Tax are the only options. The more intelligent solution is to return to a more balanced economy between service and long term domestic exportable manufacturing. But that's a whole different discussion.

I agree, but only partially. First of all, we ought to have a consumption tax, to encourage more saving and investing. We should also balance out the services and manufacturing sectors of the economy. However, we cannot abandon the progressive tax system, or the income system itself. Quite simply, the fair tax and the flat tax fail on two issues: economic fairness, and revenues. If we were to institute a flat tax, we would need to put it at a relatively high amount, maybe 20% or more, just to be revenue-neutral. And doing so would amount to a massive tax cut for the wealthy, or a small tax increase for those who pay the 15% capital gains tax, and a massive tax increase for the middle class, increasing income inequality and dooming the economy to decades of inequal economic growth, which can stifle innovation and essentially make America "the Land of the Unequal and the Home of the Rich." A fair tax would do the same thing, because consumption taxes disproportionately affect the middle and lower classes due to the fact that those two income groups consume more than they invest, and vice versa for the upper class. Plus, a consumption tax is complicated in the fact that it is often more expensive to collect taxes than an income tax. The fair tax, to generate $2.5 trillion in revenues, would have to be taxes at around 25%, and I don't know about you, but that is a lot, considering state and local sales taxes. I propose using both the income tax (while simplifying the tax code and keeping it's progressive edge) and the consumption tax to provide a balance between production and consumption in the US.

Look, ladies in gentlemen. America is in trouble. We cannot keep expecting the US government to give us all these great benefits (schools, roads, SS and Medicare) while cutting our taxes down to 0. We all have to tighten our belts, for the good of the nation. We need to accept higher taxes, less benefits, lower defense spending, and a reformed approach to fixing the economy. We also need to accept the fact that government CAN create growth, not just by fostering an environment but by spending money to create jobs via building projects. We also have to admit that government cannot do everything perfectly (but I think we already know that). We need to start thinking about the future, but we cannot give up on ourselves. People who advocate austerity say they want to "protect the people of the next generation [including myself] from crushing loads of debt," but fail to realize that doing so will reduce my chances of getting a job in the future due to a depressed economy. We have to balance fiscal prudence with economic stewardship; that means cutting spending on areas like defense and and raising taxes to balance the budge and fix entitlements, but also investing in the things that made America great, like infrastructure, education, and innovation. Republicans want to balance the budget, but they want to keep defense spending where it is and cut taxes, which is a mathematical impossibility. Democrats (like myself) want to make the tax code fair and raise revenues, but fail time and again to bite the bullet and say that everyone should pay higher taxes and that entitlements should be reformed out of fear of being castigated by the public. We as a nation need to accept these sacrifices, not just for our children, but for ourselves. If we are to make this century an American century, we need to start making sacrifices, right here, right now.

@bayllie

"I'm still waiting for every single Republican who voted against the healthcare to give up their socialist, taxpayer-funded health insurance. After all, they wouldn't want to benefit from something that is so horrible for the rest of us."

Goes for Democrats too. Since they voted FOR it, let them live with it too.

Roy brings up a very good point - if the top 10% paying 70% of all income taxes is not enough, what is? Say it out loud, what is enough? Stop playing with percentages for a few who skate, the vast majority of earners pay high tax rates. Invested money that returns a profit pays less because that encourages investment. Should Obama get his increase on gains, it is estimated the stock market will lose 30% of its value as investors pull out and find other places for their money.

And if you tax the income of people earning $250k or more, at best it will raise about $50 billion annually. Likely a lot less, as these are the people who are smart enough to make changes in their income to avoid taxes. This is why closing those "loopholes" makes more sense.

So please all you brilliant libbies - tell us what is the plan for the other $950 billion+ that Obama is currently overspending each year? How exactly will pulling money out of the economy in order for the government to find a new rathole to throw it down going to change anything?

And why oh why, when the estimates show the federal government wastes more than $100 billion annually aren't you holding these fools feet to the fire on that? Why did President "Line-by-Line" do nothing of substance to make real reforms that would help every single American? Yeah, your tool would rather attack the prosperous rather than do any real work.

good argument for a truely fair flat tax: no loopholes, accountants, social engineering. Everybody pays 15%. Even GE would pay!

Obama care is only a first step in a over all change we need quickly..Our countries Government doesn't move fast enough for its investors, the people.

To wtfwwus...

You say it's time for the "Republican Party to save the day again!". You also forget that the Republican party back then was actually much like the Democratic party is now. Look at the way they ran. Abraham Lincoln fought tooth and nail for the slaves, but the Democratic party was largely based in the South. You seem to remember the name, but not the actions, and if you think that the Republican party is the hero, you honestly deserved to get shipped to China, because they're doing everything they possibly can to get us to mirror them.

Polution everywhere, absolute regulation, corruption everywhere the eye can see. I'm sorry, but I don't believe in the Republican party where they've focused more on taking Obama down than they have actually cashing in on their campaign promises: Creating new jobs. And yes, it IS all of Bush's fault. When Clinton was in power, we were a RICH nation. We had a SURPLUS. But then Bush decided to try starting World War 3, and now we're in poverty.

Obama has tried to fix this nation, he's done everything he possibly can, but unless the House and Senate back him, he can't do jack. You seem to be forgetting these things, and every bill he's tried to push forward get locked down by the Republicans. Besides, if the Republicans REALLY, REALLY were against illegals... they'd have done something about it the 8 years that Bush was in office. They can't afford to give up that free slave labor. It'd hurt their books, and they'd have to employ honest to goodness Americans.

... Wait, haven't I seen that before? A mostly southern political group that employs a largely cheap, illegal workforce, rather than pay poor Americans to do the job, and refusing to do anything about it, and fight giving said people any basic rights so they can retain their power of fear to keep them from unionizing for decent treatment? I know I've seen that somewhere before, but where...?

Bush Policies were only Evil while Bush was president...

@ Laura

You do understand that these are Republican tax cuts, right? and that Prseident Obama signed in to law massive tax increases on the middle class...I mean I understand being partisan, but come on

Not true. Your taxes right now are lower than they ever were.

Laura,

Since the Republicans won't do anything to help the middle class Obama will,

Do you have a clue? The tax cuts they are extending to help the poor and middle class are tax cuts implemented by Republicans.

Increased the amount of the Earned income tax credit

Increased the amount of the Child tax credit

Expanded the 15% tax bracket to include income up to 68,000

Created a new 10% tax bracket

Increased the deduction for dependents

Increased the standard deduction amount

ALL THINGS YOU CAN THANK REPUBLICANS FOR. And you complain because the rich got a 3-5% reduction in their tax rate?? What the hell?

Ted, Correct. The Bush tax cuts extended by Obama, are the lowest. But that's because the PPACA taxes have yet to take affect. However, Obama did sign them in to law.

Laura...

Perhaps you can enlighten us all again on the wonders of government efficiency and waste control. It has always been a mystery (not) to me on how politicians just look at a revenue stream and devise more ways on spending it. Seems that obama has bought your vote.

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Ted, all that has happened is that the politicians have kicked the can down the road again, expecting the future generations to pay the price.

Laura

Bush tax cuts were for everyone...Bush cut taxes on the Middle Class more than any President in History. Obama wanting to extend the Bush Tax cuts for the middle class means the tax cuts you got from GW Bush will stay in place. GW Bush was a Republican...clearly you didn't know that.

Like everything else Obama does, someone else already did it and he wants the credit.

about that,

"As for taxes, CBO calculates that the top 1 percent paid 27.6 percent of all federal taxes"

It looks to me like they are doing plenty since 1% is paying 27.6% of the bill for everyone.

"Bush cut taxes on the Middle Class more than any President in History."

Assuming I'm reading this as intended, I believe it is false. I've read the largest middle class tax break (to qualify - it includes middle class income tax breaks and small business tax breaks) was buried into Obama's stimulus bill from 2009. "The Stimulus" cost short of a trillion dollars but half of it was the type of middle class tax break already described above. Funny to me how republicans referred to it as a "cost", when they had told us tax breaks pay for themselves for the past decade.

There is no doubt that the Bush tax cuts heavily favored the rich. All data supports that.

buckeyenut,

and that is a good thing! They just need to give some more! MUCH is required...27.6% is not enough... 51% is MUCH, got it?

@ About that

Actually I'm the Atheist here, you are the one quoting scripture when it fills your need...and I am not a Republican either, I am a Fiscal Conservative and a Social Libertarian who sees through both sides partisan talking points...don't worry though this is Madcow land, I'm sure nobody else noticed...

Everybody pay but me...I'm not sure how we got to a place in America where so many seem to believe they have a right to what someone else earned...i'm at a loss

All Hail President Obama!

Ruler, Master, and Overlord of all you Republicans, Conservatives, and you crazy-wacko Teabaggers.

Thank-God, President Obama will continue to be our President for the next Four (yes!4) very long years!

Ain't life grand?

That's why as a Pepublican, I'm encouraging all my Republican friends, Ron Paul supporters, and all Undecided voters, to Vote a straight Democratic ticket, come this November 2012.

Let's send the Republican Party and all those Teabaggers, back to the "Dung Heap of History", where they all belong. Let's expose them for what they are. Republicans and Mitt Romney want to Destroy the Middle-class.

73% of all americans agreethat the rich should pay more taxes.....................

buckeyenut-2225921

Do you have a clue? The tax cuts they are extending to help the poor and middle class are tax cuts implemented by Republicans.

Right - they are so giving with their decimation of social programs for the poor and middle class. The working poor dont need no stinkin health care!

You are clueless.

The day after President took office 14-15 repub politicians met and pledged to vote against every bill that would help President Obama make the economy better. They pledged to take the economy down to make President Obama a one term president. They actually used words saying hey had to act like the Taliban do, like the insurgents. Paul Ryan, Cantor, Gingrich and Jim DeMint were 4 of them that pledged to take the economy down. That is the same plan Bin Laden put in writing to destroy the United States. Take the economy down. Newt Gingrich said that meeting sowed the seeds of the 2012 election. Record obstruction and voter Suppression laws by republicans trying to take the economy down and trying to prevent the young, the elderly and the poor from voting. All to win the election. Putting repubs above the nation economic recovery. Traitors.

Reference : Richard Draper new book.

Vote President Obama/Biden 2012

The Bush tax cuts haven't done what is was supposed to do from the begining. The only thing it has done for me is to give me a few more dollars that really over the course of a year. Negligable but I'll take it.

Why is it that when they remove a temperary tax reduction they call it a tax increase? It just going back to the original tax scale. If you have no tax reduction and they want more tax that is a true tax increase.

IRESPOND-2315268...............It is not really even $250,000, it is net taxable regular income of over $250,000 which means most who would be hit are actually grossing well over $350,000 per year ( since people in those income brackets tend to make a larger chunk of income from capital gains and dividends, those have a MAXIMUM tax of 15% ), and the tax increase would ONLY effect that amount over $250,000 taxable income, not all income. Anyone crying over this potential tax increase is probably making well over $350,000 a year, time to pay your fair share ! I also think that they should limit the amount of LT Cap gains and dividends that can be claimed under the 15% rule, people making multi millions, sometimes much more, ( hedge fund operators for example ) never pay more than 15% MAXIMUM rate ! This is just not right. Any dividend or cap gains over $500,000 a year should be considered regular income and yaxed as such.

Starsailing will you please stop quoting that book every other post, not everyone is as gullible as you.

Any...................Nope...........Those are facts..........Repubs like McConell all say openly, their number one job is to make President Obama a one term president. Repubs committed record filibusters to do just that. Repubs planned and executed their plan.

starsailing

I hate to be the one who tells you this but it's EVERY parties goal to make the other guy a one term President. Tip O'Neil and the rest of the Democrats worked hard to make Reagan a "one term President". Same with both Bush's, Clinton, Nixon, Carter, Johnson and JFK. In fact, it's been going on for over 100 years.

I don't want to use the word "stupid" though it certainly comes to mind when I read that comment from liberals.

Let us not forget that these Bush era tax cuts are what drove the country into a recession. But those same Bush era tax cuts are needed to get us out of this recession. Confused? Why wouldn't you be, this is liberal logic at its finest, and as such never actually has to make sense. Obviously Obama has no clue what he is doing, as the country is now mired in the failed policies of the present.

You are dead on correct Rick. He simply doesn't know what to do, and hasn't for 3.5 years, and is just pandering like no other.

Just another nail in the Obama coffin...

Bush tax cuts: $544.3 billion…The bulk of that cost — $463 billion — is for the extension of cuts for families making less than $250,000, including two years of relief for 2010 and 2011 for the middle class from the Alternative Minimum Tax.

The rest — $81.5 billion — is attributable to the extension of cuts that apply to the highest income families.

In other words, 85% of the tax cuts went to the middle class.
But, Obama didn’t care. He needed a talking point.

So, how are these tax cuts heavily favoring the rich?

Stuffmaker.......clever way of calling me a name.....always hide behind a computer and never man enough to say it to a persons face.......does not change the facts of the type of conversations the repubs used at the meeting. They should act like the Taliban, act like insurgents. Vote against every bill that would make president Obama successful. Voting against every measure to help the economy recover from the depression Bush, Banksters and wallstreeters put the nation in. Holding the nation hostage to continue record low tax breaks for the rich and attacking the nations credit rating just to take the preisident down.

Republicans Alan Simpson and ex senator Dave Durenberger both commented on the new rt wing repubs inability to compromise on all issues for the sake of the nation. Durenberger said the problem started with Newt back in 1993 and Simpson said about fellow republicans who can't compromise that person is a blockhead.

Planning to take the economy down WAS the same plan Bin Laden put in writing to take out nation down. Repubs put the same plan in action for political gain.

starsailor

LOL...let me start with another liberal myth - Republicans, rich white business owners who only care about money, are causing the economy to fail because they want Obama to fail. To make this true they would all have to be excellent options traders and constantly bet against their own companies. That makes sense to a liberal, but makes no sense to anyone who has been successful in business as they are, regardless of color or creed, very competitive people who would NEVER bet against themselves.

Now...just a reminder starsailor that Obama and the Democrats took ONE TRILLION DOLLARS to make the economy better. Remember the "Summer of Recovery"? Republicans were swept into office in November 2010 to STOP Obama from wasting anymore tax payer money. That is why they were elected and that is why they are doing what they were elected to do.

Nevermind that you liberals have been calling the Obama/Bush tax cuts the cause of our economic distress. They are fine for you just not someone who has more money than you....LOL

See in in November starsailor...

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@ Starsailor Don't believe everything you read.

According to a promotional booklet produced by the agency, Acton & Dystel, to showcase its roster of writers, Obama was "born in Kenya and raised in Indonesia and Hawaii."

Because the above was published does that make it true?

thestuffmaker25

starsailing

I hate to be the one who tells you this but it's EVERY parties goal to make the other guy a one term President

Very, very wrong. It is every elected representative's job to try and benefit his own constituency and the nation. Politics figures into the mix somewhere, but the first obligation is supposed to be to us, not to each other.

thomas blue

I agree however one would be foolish to not see that for many years the opposite is true.

"It is every elected representative's job to try and benefit his own constituency and the nation."

Though I don't agree with some of what the Republican party is doing, it is mostly in line with what their constituency voted for.

Elections have consequences...

@bayllie

"I'm still waiting for every single Republican who voted against the healthcare to give up their socialist, taxpayer-funded health insurance. After all, they wouldn't want to benefit from something that is so horrible for the rest of us."

Goes for Democrats too. Since they voted FOR it, let them live with it too.

We need a businessman like Romney to run the government like he ran Bain Capital. Just look what they did after aquiring Burger King. Bain is one of 3 partners in 3G.

Burger King is Loaded with Debt

About the only thing 3G Capital appears to have done during its short tenure as private owner is borrow $2.3 billion in order to pay itself a huge dividend of $3,931 per share in 2011 (see pages 37-38 of prospectus). I’m not impressed by the company’s new summer menu, and don’t get me started on the disgusting bacon sundae which has been called a “monstrosity” and an “abomination.” Early promises by 3G Capital to spend $500,000 per store revamping Burger King restaurants have been all but abandoned.

Cutting costs to the bone for a short-term earnings spike and loading up on debt in order to pay special dividends before going public are common practices among private-equity backed IPOs. In fact, Burger King itself has played this game more than once, each time going public at a higher valuation on IPO hype despite sagging fundamentals and then taken private again after disappointing performance causes the stock price to decline below the IPO price.

starsailing
73% of all americans agreethat the rich should pay more taxes.....................

A "democracy" of 73 wolves and 27 sheep would vote to have lamb for dinner too.

This is a direct provocation by Obama. The republicans have repeatedly stated that they won't vote to extend the Bush tax cut to only a segment of the taxpayers. The grandstanding candidate then trots out his "plan" to extend the cuts only for families making under $250,000. Haven't we seen this before? This is not a new idea.

Believe it or not it does work, but since GWB did it it hasn't had the desired result that it normally occurs. Until some one can proove me wrong I still feel being in the worlds market is a good size part of the reason. We as worrking people really have to pay attention to what is happening every where and adapt our country to the worlds markets and situations. It is no longer just look at what is happening business wise inside our borders.

1 solution may be:

It might be good for this country to bring in everything from Mexico and Canada and load the ships at our ports. In the old trade days towns became cities and rich doing this. Why can't this happen again and why not here. We have the coast and can really pump out the merchant ships and the ship are established. Not to mention all the equipment, parts, and maintainance involved.

Repubs take the oath of office to the constitution then walk all over it by taking the Norquist pledge. Pledge to king Norquist putting Norquist above the constitution, above the office they took the pledge to when elected to office. Just like traitors. Pledge to the king Norquist.

Is that anything like Obama's pledge to Soros or the unions?

no it isn't...America and Americans are 16-->60 Trillion dollars in debt because our Nation has not made a profit since 1973...(imports over exports)...fact...the debt is just the result of Politicians trying to hide it from the American People

@ Jersey Jon

Paying more in taxes would only insure that the government would spend more than it already does. If you were getting millions of dollars each year for free, and knew you would for the rest of your life, would you value it? Or would you buy fancy cars, homes, or whatever else caught your eye?

'Free money' is never valued, and is often wasted in ways that it would never be if it were earned. Raising taxes isn't the answer. Being more responsible with how tax dollars are used, is.

The American people are going to have to learn to live in a REAL Economy again...and it is going to be painful (think bareback, camel trip, across the Sahara)

I'm tired of paying for illegal immigrant's benefits

I sure they are tired of working like slaves, for your benefit also

Dr Cat..........how do you know they would be wasted, you don't anymore than I do. Obama wants to put the American Jobs Act in place, that would not only help our infrastructure, hire 10,000's of people, but of course that must be a waste of tax payer money, and besides the Republicans & Teaparty would never vote for that, because it may actually help our economy and jobs.

So has anyone seen anything the Republicans have done to get jobs like they promised when they were elected in 2010, hell no, that's not their priority, getting Obama out of office is their #1 job.

And I quote;

I do not like this Uncle Sam,

I do not like his heath care plan.

I do not like these dirty crooks,

or how they lie and cook the books.

I do not like when congress steels,

I do like their secret deals.

I do not like ex speaker Nan,

I do not like this "yes we can."

I do not like this spending spree---

I'm smart, I know nothings free.

I do not like your smug replies,

when we complain about your lies.

I do not like this kind of hope---

I do not like it Nope, Nope, Nope !!

Go green - Recycle the White House !

Laura,

how do you know they would be wasted

Because history is on Dr Cat's side. It has been proven time and again, if you give our politicians more money, they will find a way to spend it on senseless things.

So has anyone seen anything the Republicans have done to get jobs like they promised when they were elected in 2010,

There are a few sites, if you are willing to look, that list all of the job related bills passed in the house that have not been voted on in the Senate. The Republicans in the House can only do so much and then it's in the hands of the Democrats in the Senate.

Jersey,

You don't understand economics 101:

“Lower rates of taxation will stimulate economic activity and so raise the levels of personal and corporate income as to yield within a few years an increased – not a reduced – flow of revenues to the federal government.” - John F. Kennedy, Jan. 17, 1963, annual budget message to the Congress, fiscal year 1964

Laura...

Nothing wrong with optimism, but governments aren't efficient and they surely have enough regulatory loopholes to encourage waste and fraud.

BTW - seems that the republicans ideas on job creation is simply to create certainty. You know, no new regulations or taxes that could impede growth. Seems that obama idea was to just create thousands of new regs with long term periods for implimentation. Bet if you used a whole roll of TP to wipe after a shlt, your toilet wouldn't flush it very well

mr. phea -- then why do they stay here? why don't they return to their home country.

hs321 - the economic caveats to tax cuts are at least two fold...

Government has to also reduce their rate of spending. Also, over time the recipients of the cuts normalize their spending habits to meet their new income levels and no longer become stimulative. ie the 1986 tax reform act helped give us the tech boom of the 90's because outside of the short gulf war there was little in exogenous events to hinder growth.

Based on the easy credit of the 90's into the early 2000's bush and company would have been better off to not have the tax cuts. They just heated things up more, after all the dot com bust made people wary about investing into technology but housing and toys was something else.

Regardless of what side of the aisle one is on, politicians recognize that when taxpayers see any potential surpluses they think they deserve a tax cut.

Billybob...

-- then why do they stay here? why don't they return to their home country

Probably because they have liitle to fear about deportation and whatever life they have here is better than they had in their home country.

"So has anyone seen anything the Republicans have done to get jobs like they promised when they were elected in 2010, hell no, that's not their priority, getting Obama out of office is their #1 job."

Sadly, this is true. The most powerful republicans have all publicly stated various versions of this number one priority declaration. Boehner, McConnell, Cantor - it's a long list. Their actions have been designed to intentionally stall the recovery. Its really a shame that Americans seem to be willing to reward their bad behavior.

The real questions is: Can the illegals get a tax refund ? IF you're buying votes, lets not hold back. Go big or go home ! Give the illegals a tax refund, and get those votes in the bag.

President Obama has a good plan in keeping taxes lower on those under $250,000. 73% of all Americans want the rich to pay more taxes. The rich 1% like Romney hide their money in numerous offshore accounts to avoid paying taxes. What is the repub plan? Raise taxes on the poor and middle class.

From: dpcc.sen.gov The Ryan Plan which Romney supports.

Republicans have claimed that their tax plan would renew the expiring Bush tax cuts and reduce tax rates even further without increasing the deficit, all by getting rid of unspecified "loopholes" in the tax code. But a new analysis by the Joint Economic Committee (JEC) shows that Republican math simply doesn't add up. The new JEC report shows that the Republican tax plan would actually necessitate a $1,300 tax increase on average middle-class families to pay for a tax cut of over $285,000 for each millionaire.

The Republican tax plan would cost a total of $10 trillion - $5.4 trillion to extend the expiring Bush tax cuts, and according to the Tax Policy Center an additional $4.6 trillion to lower the top tax rate to 25%. Republicans have refused to name any of the specific "loopholes" they would repeal to cover the huge price tag of lowering taxes on the rich, and the JEC report explains why. In order to make their tax plan revenue neutral, Republicans would have to eliminate nearly every deduction and credit in the tax code, including those that mainly benefit middle-class families.

JEC's report shows that because Republicans would do away with middle class deductions, even with lower tax rates the Republican plan would amount to a net middle class tax increase.

• Families making between $50,000 and $100,000 would pay over $1,300 more in taxes, while families making between $100,000 and $200,000 would pay over $2,600 more.
• Meanwhile, millionaires would reap massive additional tax cuts. Under the Republican plan, those making over $1,000,000 would get a tax break worth over $285,000.
• The Republican tax plan would give the top 0.1% of earners more than $1 million in tax breaks.

The American people overwhelmingly oppose giving millionaires more tax breaks at the expense of the middle class. Republicans should work with Democrats to pay down our deficit in a balanced way that will create jobs here in America and ask the wealthiest to pay their fair share again

Now if this was Romney he would increase the tax on the 73%. and leave the other 27% stand.

american-2051576

hs321 - the economic caveats to tax cuts are at least two fold...

Government has to also reduce their rate of spending. Also, over time the recipients of the cuts normalize their spending habits to meet their new income levels and no longer become stimulative. ie the 1986 tax reform act helped give us the tech boom of the 90's because outside of the short gulf war there was little in exogenous events to hinder grow

Unfortunately, that is the explanation for tax cuts according to the old "starve the beast" concept, which George W. Bush publicly admitted was a factor in his tax cut plan. Now, it is reasonable in theory, but the problem is that government will just borrow the money. If you want to cut spending, pass it in a legislation directly. Indirect measures like tax cuts don't work.

Mr.PheaNiques-0000001

no it isn't...America and Americans are 16-->60 Trillion dollars in debt because our Nation has not made a profit since 1973...(imports over exports)...fact...the debt is just the result of Politicians trying to hide it from the American People

Not quite. America is in debt because we spent when we should have saved and cut taxes when we should have increased them. The trade deficit is an entirely different (but not completely unrelated) issue. Tax revenues are below the average, and spending is above average. Both are mainly because of the recession, but they are also influenced in part by the fiscal policies of the past decade. If we are to reduce the deficit, we have to both increase taxes AND cut spending. We can bitch about where to raise taxes and where to cut spending, but if we are to go into austerity, we might as well use it completely. Republicans, you cannot argue that tax increases will hurt the economy by taking money out of it and then justify massive spending cuts because they hurt the economy as well. Democrats, you have to admit that tax increases on the wealthy are insufficient and any tax increases should be across-the-board, and you will also have to concede to entitlement reform.

OBAMA BIDEN 2012

@Freshie

Our trade deficit is between 600 and 800 billion dollars per year...that is US dollars going oversea to purchase foreign goods and services...we have not had a trade surplus since 1973 (money coming into the US economy)...and tax increase or any other policy that increases the cost of production in America is only going to exacerbate our deficits and debt...Until we deal with this everything else is just political pandering

I really don't expect you to understand any of this, and though it is adressed to you it is actually for almost anyone else

Obama Biden 2012?



http://americaneconomicalert.org/ticker_home.asp

@Billybob

The reasons are wide and varied, but I'm pretty sure that JW101 wouldn't be happy if they all left, and he started paying $40 a pint for Union picked strawberries...

Mostly I would guess, is the quest for the American Dream that most of "us" take for granted...Our tiered Economic plan, is going to always require a very poor class to do what most would consider back breaking menial tasks...I Just so happens, most of our own poor would rather be dependent on the Federal Government, than actually work...so really we have no choice, we couldn't survive without them...and their output to benefit ratio is much better by a factor of 10

No inspiration like desperation.

Yes, they are the Obama tax cuts and he should take full credit for them.

Obama and the Democrats also own the Obamacare Mandate Tax.

The repubs held the nation hostage and destroyed the nations credit rating just to keep the lowest rate on taxes for the rich. The tax breaks kept in place are not the tax breaks the president wanted. Repubs forced the nation to give/continue outrageous tax breaks for the rich to try to take the economy down. They pledged to take the economy down to make President Obama a one term president.

If you want your country move FORWARD TO SOCIALISM and be like those countries in Europe heading to bankruptcy. Vote for Obama , he knows how to destroy our country.

@redvirginia, another prime example for reinstalling the Draft. You Clowns just keep reinforing the idea. Keep up the good work.

redvirginia

If you want your country move FORWARD TO SOCIALISM and be like those countries in Europe heading to bankruptcy. Vote for Obama , he knows how to destroy our country.

For the last @!$%#ing time, Europe is NOT socialist. They have private industries in manufacturing, mining, finance, etc. Socialism=0 private industries. They are NOT bankrupt because of their "entitlement programs." They are bankrupt because of the recession and their bailing out the banks. I'll give you an example: Spain and Ireland (which had low corporate tax rates at the time) had surpluses and low debt burdens before the recession, while the Italians were slowly reducing their debt burden via growth. Unfortunately, when the housing bubble burst and the global financial industry collapsed, Europe (and the US, and just about every other country in the world) had to bailout their banks and service the needs of the unemployed, increasing spending and decreasing revenues. Germany, which faced a similar but apparently mild situation, offered to bail out the fiscally unstable countries (Spain, Ireland, and Italy among them) in return for draconian austerity measures. Even then the German people were opposed to the bailouts, thinking of their European counterparts as lazy and frivolous with their money (while that may be true to some degree, it is not completely accurate) and refusing to help their lazy neighbors. Unfortunately, when the countries received the bailouts and began enacting austerity measures, unemployment shot up and some countries (Spain, Italy, and Ireland among them) fell back into recession, while others (like France) barely above water. The recession and chaos in the financial markets (particularly the bond markets) caused increasing bond yields, increasing debt burdens as the economy foundered. More bailouts were offered and more austerity measures were enacted, but the nations fell further into recession. One nation, Great Britain, although not a member of the EU but a major trading partner, also enacted austerity following the election of the Conservative Party. The country fell into recession, and the nation descended into chaos. This is a warning to the United States, and to the world: do not go into austerity until the economy is at or near full employment. Essentially, wait for the economy to get stronger, and then start cutting the deficit. Unfortunately, the Republican Party (and many Democrats) have ignored it. The Ryan budget is more draconian than any austerity measures enacted by European governments, and doesn't even go full on into austerity, as it cuts taxes instead of increasing them. The Ryan budget actually doesn't make a dent in the deficit, as it repeals the ACA (and all it's deficit-reduction measures) and cuts taxes. The budget is not economical; it's suicidal. And at least the "socialist Europeans" have decent schools and a better good healthcare system than we do!!

OBAMA BIDEN 2012

car,

The Dems won't even support Obama's horrible bills.

Reid wouldn't bring Obama's jobs bill to a vote, because he didn't have enough DEMOCRATS that would vote for it. ACA only passed after they BRIBED Dems to vote for it.

Where have you been?

Obstructionist, rethuglican, teabagger, tea-billy congress blocking everything Obama tries to get through. Where have you been

I don't know where mhender was but I've been around long enough to know that control of the House of Representatives is not control Congress.

I was trying to figure out whjether this is a goood idea or bad idea and couldn't come up with an answer until I talked to my COnservative brother. He told me the simple rule is - If Obama proposes it - it's bad - If a Republican proposes it - it's good. That seeems to be the drift of the commments and the atrttitude of the Republican PArty. It's so nice to have a simple set of rules to folllow!

buckeyenut-2225921

I don't know where mhender was but I've been around long enough to know that control of the House of Representatives is not control Congress.

So what? Controlling one part of congress is enough to stymy any progression.

buckeyenut-2225921

Obstructionist, rethuglican, teabagger, tea-billy congress blocking everything Obama tries to get through. Where have you been

I don't know where mhender was but I've been around long enough to know that control of the House of Representatives is not control Congress.

It is when you decide to vote against any bill the opposition passes... The House is half of Congress: anyone with half of Congress can manipulate the legislative process.

I can live with that... Maybe then congress will get serious about tax reform.

Mitt's Numerous offshore bank accounts are doing fine. While all other Americans are paying their taxes, Mitt hides his assets in offshore accounts. While it may be legal, how is it that everyone else pays their taxes and the Mittster dodges paying taxes for years? This tax dodger wants you to pay even more of his taxes as the Ryan plan gives even more tax breaks to the rich while middle class workers gets to pay 20% more along with cuts to social programs like food stamps for the starving.

So what have we learned?...Mittster hides money in offshore accounts and YOU get stuck with paying the taxes he should be paying.

The good news? Middle class people can use the offshore account nearby. ...You know...the fountain that you throw a penny in and make a wish.

Make a wish and Vote Obama/Biden...make your wish come true!

Starsailing he paid taxes on the money before moving some of his assets into offshore accounts . If they were a secret he wouldn't have talked about them and you likely wouldn't know about them. If he had moved the money before paying taxes then he would be open to prosecution for tax evasion. Use your mind man, you don't seem dumb, just mislead.

Few years back, the day before Romney had to declare assets he shifted a complete account into wifes name to avoid releasing the amount and info required for running for office.

Romney has NOT released his tax reports, only partial...why?...because he is hiding info that will damage him.

New accounts just discovered in Bermuda for Romney, why is he not releasing sources of this hidden money? I am not the one who is misleading. Romney refuses to open the books. Romney is misleading as long as he can.

If you watched the debates this was brought up. Again if you know about it how is it that the IRS doesn't? Are you privy to special information?

The offshore bank accounts are the equivalent of not putting all your eggs in one basket. Mitt was born into money, how is it that Obama has become a millionaire? It seems he never practiced law ... did his books sell that well before he took office?

wtfwwus:

Your tea is getting cold. Time to warm it back up in the microwave. You want hypocrite? How about your Rethuglican congress stonewalling EVERYTHING the president presents. Now THATS hypocritical.

Car, bills start in the House, not the President, and since the Republicans control the house, they aren't stalling anything. If anybody is stalling anything, it's Reid and the democrat controlled Senate. No budget for over 1000 days, no jobs bills, etc. Reid won't even bring up the bills the House has sent over for debate for fear some democrats might actually like the ideas, and the bills pass. This would then put Obama in a position of true compromise where he would have to either sign the bill or go against the people's representatives and veto it. This would also end the dems argument about a do nothing Congress. In a way they are right, we have a very busy House, working hard and passing bills, and a do nothing Senate. The way I see it is, the democrats just don't want a voting record,

NoRomney 2012 . The man outsourced jobs and stashed the loot in offshore accounts!

car56

You want hypocrite? How about your Rethuglican congress

Congress = House and Senate

House= Republican majority

Senate= Democrat marority

Congress is split. I hope this clears things up for you.

car56...where are you?

momgam, Obama has also outsourced jobs to China via GE and his jobs czar, while closing a plant in Georgia that makes light bulbs.

nsnash14, did President Obama stash the loot in The Cayman Islands, Bermuda or in Switzerland?

mom,

So it's OK when Obama and the Dems do it, but wrong when it's claimed a Republican does it?

Here are some interesting FACTS. (According to the U.S. Department of Labor)

Number of U.S. Jobs Moving Offshore
2000 2005 2010
102,674 587,592 1,591,101

Now isn't it interesting that nearly 3 times as many jobs went overseas UNDER OBAMA's watch.

Now as you are so clearly against outsourcing, how can you support Obama?

What say you?

PS: The Obama campaign has yet to provide ANY PROOF to their allegations about Romney. Why is that? Executive order must be hiding the truth, Obama can't have the truth stop him now can he :)

And, car56, you should look up the definition of "stonewalling." You know it's a talking point, but you use it incorrectly.

Let's take a look at the Romney plan.......oh oh! Stay on vacation and not answering questions daily!

Romney has a plan?

Romney has a long term plan alright...and that plan is not to have a plan, and to not talk about his plan of not having a plan, because every plan that Romney planned, was not the plan, that he previously had planned. The plans he did have were also the plans he did not have before he said they are his plans. The plans he didn't have were the plans he said he had when he needed to have plans because he had no plans.

Prresident Obama/Biden 2012....you can plan on that!

wtfwwus, Are seriously trying to tell me that the outsourcing ball did'nt start rollin until President Obama was elected? Also it's hard to find the truth, when NoRomney refuses to release his tax returns. I will not change my mind about this until I see at least 10 years of his and his wifes returns.

mom

I don't think you will change your mind, as you won't even consider facts that don't support your opinion. I don't mean this with any malice, nor do I say it with mean intent, just my interpretation.

I am not defending Romney. I'm just not sold that Obama is any better.

I am not saying it started under Obama, I'm saying it got 3 times worse under Obama.

Romney only has to report what is required by law, just like Obama. It would be interesting to see Obama's tax returns for the past 10 years. Going from < $50,000 / year to millions a year is an intersting conversation that Obama should be more than glad to share with us. At least we know how Romney earned his money, he WORKED for it. You just don't like him, so it becomse bad when he does exactly what Obama does, screw the little guy.

wftwwus, President Obama released his tax returns during his campaign in 2008. And no I'm not his biggest fan. In fact I voted for several Republicans in 2010, and I have never felt such voters remorse as I do now. Screw the little guy is what Romney did to earn his millions (google venture capitalist). The reps I voted for in 2010 talked about jobs, jobs, jobs, when they got elected all they started talking about was my vajay-jay. Now I'm a (D) not an (I).

I am still an I. (Independent). The only "little guts" Owebama helps are:

1. Those getting government assistance (directly or Solyndra type deals)

2. Union members, especially Union Bosses

3. Government employees ( lavish retirement plans, better pay than private)

The rest of us continue to be "hosed" with poor fiscal policies.

What a steamy pile of....that was...

LMAO ranmarie...

The GOP refuses to submit a budget plan?? Where have you been since Jan 2009? Seems that even bush and company created a FY 2009 budget plan and made adustments as the recession went full blown in early 2008.

Where was obama and company when it came to a budget plan for FY's 2010 and 2011? After all the democrats controlled the house, the senate AND the WH.

Gee marie, not only did the republican controlled house submit a budget plan for FY's 2012 and 2013 but they had to get one done for FY 2011, one that obama and company were too lazy to do before Oct 1, 2010. You do realize that the democrat controlled senate just tabled. without debate, the republicans budgetary plans without presenting any alternatives other than perhaps continuing resolutions. Heck of a way to just ignore the 1974 budgetary controll act. Seems that at least obama made an effort to comply but did little to make sure that either democrat controlled house were also in compliance.

ranmarie,

You need to look at who has passed a budget plan and who hasn't.

ranmarie

Obama twice sent a budget to the senate. NO ONE voted for them. Even Dems wouldn't for for them

Usa1-1003451 If it weren't for those failed policies of the past and tax cuts, please don't forget 2 unfunded wars things would be looking good right now

you lier when has he ever said he will take your guns?? what does this article even have to do about guns? where do people like you come up with all these lies, oh i forgot fox news?

Mr. Wonderful..(#15)..." I just can't buy in to the Mormon "Celestial Underwear" thing."

But you can buy into the teachings of James Cone, the founder of the Black Liberation Theology that Obama learned during his 20 years of "Rev" Wrights Sermons....Cone says " The only way for a white man to be truly repetitive is if he gives all he has to the black man".....That's some pretty racist underwear....

Repetitive? Sorry that doesn't make sense. Repetitive means to repeat an action over and over.

Mr wonderful...

perhaps you can point to the links that "celestial underwear" will become the new requirement for all to have. As for all this gun talk you say is out there perhaps you need to broaden your horizons to include msnbc and first read. Even these stalwarts of liberal propaganda aren't spouting off to the extent you imply.

not a troll....the republican special interests(NRA) are running ads stating Obama wants to take your guns, Obama never said any such thing, but you have the some people on the right who believe everything they see on TV, especially from Fox who are known to spew lies.

Larry-367607

"Repetitive? Sorry that doesn't make sense."

You're right....it didn't look right when I posted it (Senior Moment, perhaps !!!).....It should be:

" " The only way for a white man to be truly repentant is if he gives all he has to the black man".....That's some pretty racist underwear....

"Not a troll" .... have you been living under a bridge all these years?

The NRA and other like organizations have been spewing this "anti-gun" rhetoric ever since Obama came onto the scene. Not once has he ever mentioned anything close to resembling gun control... and yet the crazies think the lack of evidence is proof of evidence.

When it comes to Gun Control Obama does it As he Quoted "Under the Radar" , Obama ,Clinton And Nappy Napolitano were Screaming like cut cats in 2010 that 90% of Weapons were coming from Firearms Dealers hear in the US, That Eric Holder had a new Long Gun Law that needed to be Implemented ASAP.

Then Come to find out the Gun Dealers were working with the ATF selling Firearms to the Mexican Drug Cartels, These weapons were supposed to be Interdicted but were left to Walk across the Border uninhibited, Holder knew about the Operation Fast and Furious, But he was still inditing the Firearms Dealers and pushing for the New Regulations until Whistle blowers came forward,After the Death of Border Patrol agent Brian Terrys Death, This was a direct attack on the Constitution, Obama in fact does want to take your Gun rights away..

Troll..........NRA platform to lie about President Obama taking away guns....why?....Because dufuss will run out and buy more guns and ammo....and NRA makes more money and customers from the buying and selling!

If the NTPA(National toilet paper association) put out press release President Obama was going to take away your toilet paper....people like you troll, .....will run out and buy all the TP , raising prices and making a bigger profit for the NTPA. So NRA keeps people like you running out and buying guns, guns and more guns and ammo. All the while trying to get you to vote against your own self interests.

U.S. citizen.......get a clue....Arizona gun laws allow guns to be sold into Mexico hands. Laws put in place by the NRA. ATF tried over and over, while documenting it, to prosecute the gun runners. Fed prosecutors said the Arizona gun runners were not breaking laws. There are no coverups, there are no laws broken, no lying by dems or President Obama...PER ISSA ON FOX NEWS! PER REPUB>>>ISSA!

Using a comment made by someone else merely because it "might" influence someones thinking is wrong. I don't judge Romney by radical comments made by mormon leaders or Obama by what reverand wright said. I judge people on what they do and say. What Romney has done to create his wealth is wrong that's all I need to know.

I agree about the 401k but they should still all be forced into the social security system with the rest of us, then maybe they will care more about it and not abuse it like you state and won't be so ready to end it if they know it effects them too

Even under a flat tax there has to be starting cap you can't impose a 20% tax on someone living on a $600 a month social security check. The rich already have enough breaks that Romney pays a lower tax rate than a couple making $17,400 a year. Even a flat tax would have exemptions and they'd all go to the rich.

We just need to get rid of all taxes and have a national consumption tax that is the same % for everyone. Rich people but bigger more expensive things and will pay more in taxes. Poor people shouldn't pay as much in Federal taxes, but they should pay something. As is it, 49.5% of Americans pay no Federal Income tax. That is not fair to anyone. So with all this fuss the dems have about paying your fair share, it's about time the poor did too.

Nsnash--Included in that 49.5% of Americans that pay no Federal income taxes, that the Republicans like to demonize, are the poor, senior citizens, and the disabled.

The Senior citizens have already paid their dues-big time. What this Republican propaganda fails to tell you is they still pay sales tax, school taxes on property they own, even though they no longer have children in school, county taxes, borough taxes, etc. Every time the Republicans demonize that "49.5%" they are demonizing the seniors. And I'd be willing to bet those seniors worked harder in their lifetimes than many on this vine. They paid their taxes for YEARS.

What can you get from a disabled person that can't work? How about the working poor that struggle to put food on the table? You want to take that food away?

Instead of hating the poor, the seniors and disabled for not paying enough, why don't you hate the super rich that get so many loopholes they end up paying nothing? How about corporations that pay no taxes and actually get millions back from the government?

Worried about money?? Ask the Republicans in Congress why they flatly refuse to stop the multibillion dollar TAXPAYER paid subsidies to oil companies that make multibillion dollar profits EACH QUARTER. WEhere's all this free market capitalism at? Why can't those companies invest their profits back into the company instead of sucking on the taxpayers teat?

Ask the Republicans in Congress why they refuse to stop giving tax breaks to companies that send jobs overseas. These companies get rewarded for it. Ask Romney-he made millions "off shoring" American jobs.

The Republican propaganda machine, fueled by the rich, has the gullible non thinkers concentrated on those evil seniors, evil poor and evil disabled all the while they are using smoke and mirrors to shovel money to the top and insuring that corporations will pay absolutely ZERO in taxes. The super rich pay a lower percentage rate than the middle class does---look it up. After loopholes, some pay nothing.

This Christian, taxpaying, home owning, working, American citizen would sooner see my tax dollars go to help the "evil" poor, sick, disabled and the seniors, than hand over multibillions in dollars to the super rich and corporations that are already gaming the system and paying nothing.

You worry about paying fair share?? Let me know after you get the super rich and corporations to pay their fair share. Then we can talk.

I agree about the 401k but they should still all be forced into the social security system with the rest of us,

I fund my own retirement program plus I pay into Social Security a yet the democrats think that because I was responsible enough to fund my own retirement that a means test should exclude me from getting a SS check when I retire...You want me to fund my retirement and yours too...Please explain how that is fair...and before you go off on a rant about how much money I make I will tell you that in my whole life I have never made over $80K per year , I started out in the 1960's as a laborer mixing mortar by hand and hauling concrete blocks making $1.75 per hour, Even then I was able to start putting money away for my retirement, I was taught from the time I was old enough to start working that there would come a time in my life when I would be too old to work and I would need money to live on and it was not the governments responsibility to take care of me.

Ted, I specifically said FEDERAL income tax. Since the seniors aren't working, they shouldn't pay income tax. The poor however should at least pay 5-10%, and quit being freeloaders.

Ted 050247 ...(#16.4)..."Nsnash--Included in that 49.5% of Americans that pay no Federal income taxes, that the Republicans like to demonize, are the poor, senior citizens, and the disabled."

That is simply NOT TRUE.....That 49.5% number is based soley on those people that file Federal Income Tax Returns....The majority of Seniors on Social Security don't have to file, unless they have other "income" above certain limits....

Those poor that exist on Government Handout programs don't file tax returns.

Those receiving S.S. Disability payments don't have to file, and are still allowed to earn some income before their benefits are affected or reduced ...I think the number is $1,000 a month in outside earnings....

TED05 -

It is called INCOME tax for a reason. The disabled who cannot work do not have an income, therefore they owe no tax.

LostInThePineBarrens....Interesting comment, as I have never heard any Federal Politician ( either party) propose the idea that there should be a means test on Social Security and that funds should be withheld. Who exactly are you crediting this idea to ? I have heard that the cap on contributions should be lifted, but don't see how that would effect you at your stated income level, it would only effect those making well over 100K. Exactly which "democrat" are you crediting this idea to ? Could it be that this is just some rant you heard from Rush or on Fox News trying to scare everyone ?

nsnash14

We just need to get rid of all taxes and have a national consumption tax that is the same % for everyone. Rich people but bigger more expensive things and will pay more in taxes.

Unfortunately, a national consumption tax will be a HUGE tax cut for the wealthy, because they don't spend as much money relative to their income on consumption as everybody else does. It is extremely regressive, essentially increasing the transfer of wealth and power upwards.

Poor people shouldn't pay as much in Federal taxes, but they should pay something. As is it, 49.5% of Americans pay no Federal Income tax. That is not fair to anyone. So with all this fuss the dems have about paying your fair share, it's about time the poor did too.

I agree, but about those 47% who don't pay the income tax, most of them pay federal taxes. The income tax isn't only tax; it's just the largest. Only 18.1% of Americans don't pay any federal taxes, and of that, 10.3% are elderly, 6.9% are below the poverty level, and and only 0.9% of Americans can pay either tax but don't. You can talk all you want about the 47% who don't pay the income tax, but the fact is that the VAST majority of Americans (around 81.9%) pay federal taxes.

OBAMA BIDEN 2012

I still find the logic that the countries in trouble because a couple making 12k a year on minimum wage is unfair because they pay no taxes and Romney paying 2 million on 21 million income is being abused. Every country in the world has a progressive tax system. The first example will struggle to survive if taxed on such meager income and will pay so little as to do nothing but make the right wingers think they've accomplished something. Raising taxes on Romney and his kind can actually make a difference and he'll never miss a meal, guaranteed. Anyone really think Romney works harder earning his money than the minimum wage person cleaning out chicken guts in a factory?

If I thought that there was a .0000000000000001% chance it would not be spent on more Politicians pet projects...I would agree with you...prove that they can deal with spending, and I'll be for every tax increase you could name...until then, not a dime

I haven't heard liberals bashing it. Pointing out that spending money we don't have is the same when Bush does it as when Obama does. For conservatives when a republican spends hundreds of billions to boost the economy it's fine if Obama does he's a socialist driving the country into ruin.

Bush's poll numbers don't support your claim

BECAUSE ......of Bush and repubs blocking of any economic plan to help the economy,.....the tax breaks are STILL needed for poor and lower middle class. 73% of all AMERICANS want the rich to pay more taxes. 73% of all Americans know the game the rich like Romney, Ryan, Cantor, Boehner, etc are playing. They want it all, they didn't get it the first time around and are planning the second round if Romney gets elected.

larry. once romney is elected and they own congress you won't hear them mention the word deficit either, they only care because obama is in office

Sort of like liberals and jobs...

Once Romney becomes president, watch how important to liberals jobs will become again...

LOL larry...

Best recheck your $178 billion to American taxpayers, somehow I don't recall that EVERY citizen received a $300 or $600 rebate check. Regardless, bush2 and company gave it back directly to the taxpayers not watered down through the government bureacracy. Seems that obama would have been wise to do the same with the 2009 stimulas.

Interesting that the major financial institutions bailed out by tarp have already paid back their government obligations with interest. It also appears that AIG is putting itself in a position to do so as well.

Nice of you to try arguing what bush2 stimulated in 2008 without commenting on bush2 doing it in a very bipartisan way.

BTW...

Bush's total stimulus spending in 2008 was almost double the 787 billion that Obama passed in 2009 but you never hear republicans talking about the debt Bush created just Obama.

Of course they do, one can't make the comparison without bringing up the numbers. Also bush2 didn't make the claims that obama did about reducing the public debt or unemployment by the end of his (obamas) first term.

Who said everyone did? I just used the total dollars paid out published by the government and it was 178 billion. And those on the right seldom talk about Obama making claims he couldn't deliver on most bash him on spending hundreds of billions on welfare programs. They never mention Bush's stimulus programs. The main difference between Obama's stimulus spending and Bush's is most of Bush's went to the banks and financial institutions while Obama's was support of the states and infrastrucure improvements to create jobs.

Fact is, you can put the lie to everything that Republicans promise by just looking at Bush's record:

Republicans promise more fiscal responsibility. George W. Bush's first budget was in 2001 - national debt was $5.8T and the budget was damned balanced. George W. Bush's last budget was 2009 - this budget brought an increase of more than 17 percent in one year from $2.9 trillion to $3.5 trillion. Since 1971, this rate of increase has only been surpassed once: in 1975 when outlays increased 23 percent over the previous year. National debt went to $11.9T. Bush and a Republican Congress for 6 out of 8 years more than doubled the national debt!

Republicans promise smaller government. Under George W. Bush we saw the biggest federal budget expansion since Franklin Delano Roosevelt eight decades ago. Government spending increased 88% from 2002 to 2009. George W. Bush damned near doubled the size of government! And when W. first ran in 2000, it was with campaign promises of smaller government.

Republicans promise to grow the economy and create more jobs. George W. Bush had the worst economic growth of any president during his two terms: 1.6%. Obama may do worse than that, but he certainly has George W. Bush to thank for that. Not only was growth worst during Bush's two terms but he left office with the economy in the middle of the worst recession since the Great Depression!

Now I am sure we will hear a lot about "Blame it on Bush!" and "Bush is gone! Get over it!" but here's the thing - what makes you think that Republicans will do anything different if elected than they did before? Romney has hired many of Bush's economic advisors. He has pledged to continue the same economic policies that Bush used to destroy our economy.

Those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it. I, for one, really don't want to repeat Bush's economic disaster!

ee -- please cite the source for your facts.

american you make sense why can't the politicians we have on either side do the same? harry yours sounds harsh but maybe thats what we need??

Do you realize the enormity of the debt this country owes? + 1% per annum? We would all work entirely for the government before we cleared the debt, barring a boom-time turnabout for GDP.

That is exactly the point. As taxes increase the spending would be scrutinized more and more. If all spending was halved, it would be no more than a 30 year mortgage.

I would say with so many hard right tea party people there are more like 20% mentally disabled!!

The reason Bush originally implemented the stimulus program was because economists knew the best way to stimulate the economy was to get a small amount of money into the hands of a large number of people. This only helps if you give it to the people that spend it. Give a $600 check to a couple making 30K a year and they'll eat out more and maybe put money down on a car. Give someone rich the money and it bumps the balance in their savings account by $600. Unless you believe giving Romney an extra $600 will trickle down.

you forgot to mention they want to end all unions, which they are in the process of successfully doing state by state

Romney plans to change federal payments for all federal welfare programs, medicaid, foodstamps, school lunch etc. into block grants administered by the states. The first year he would give the states 120 billion less for these programs than now but since they're now administered by the states if they can't make up the funding it's a states problem. He also proposes raising military spending by over 260 billion a year. Eventually the states are going to get fed up with the federal government taking the bulk of all tax revenue and shifting more and more of the costs to the states.

And your Obama panacea is unsustainable. Utopia, Obama style, has no way to be paid for. Union proliferation has put strangleholds on everything they touch. Unfunded pension plans are a ticking time bomb. I am a union member and fully recognize the uselessness of their very existence. The Democratic nirvana will never, ever be realized.

Poor Romney paying so much while so many pay so little. Unfortunately the little people don't have the means to milk the system like the rich. Bain Capital as a partner of 3G bought out Burger King in 2002. If i could legally rob the country ike Romney i wouldn't complain because someone wanted me to pay more than 14.9%.

Burger King is Loaded with Debt

About the only thing 3G Capital appears to have done during its short tenure as private owner is borrow $2.3 billion in order to pay itself a huge dividend of $3,931 per share in 2011 (see pages 37-38 of prospectus). I’m not impressed by the company’s new summer menu, and don’t get me started on the disgusting bacon sundae which has been called a “monstrosity” and an “abomination.” Early promises by 3G Capital to spend $500,000 per store revamping Burger King restaurants have been all but abandoned.

Cutting costs to the bone for a short-term earnings spike and loading up on debt in order to pay special dividends before going public are common practices among private-equity backed IPOs. In fact, Burger King itself has played this game more than once, each time going public at a higher valuation on IPO hype despite sagging fundamentals and then taken private again after disappointing performance causes the stock price to decline below the IPO price.

Odumb: The republican nirvana where the workers are paid the same as those in india and live in cardboard shanties to be competitive won't either.

Wow, You have fell for every fearmongering tactic in the book, Hahahaha

In the real world, Democrats have NEVER banned a firearm and Obama has repealed bans Republicans have put on firearms (Reagan's 1984 ban of openly carried handguns on Federal land)

Not sure where your getting your Obabacare info, But as long as you have health insurance, There are NO increased taxes and/or fines

Michael: I take it you get all your info from fox news. Obama also conspires with martians and has microphones in your house.

Wow--you really need to turn off Fox News. What is really scary is that you honestly seem to believe everything you just said and you get to vote. I'm sure the republicans are so proud--you are exactly the voter base that they are appealing to.

where do people like you come up with all these fables and lies? Oh sorry I forgot, fox news. If you actually watch cspan and see what is really going on the gop congress has stopped everyone of obamas job bills he has tried to pass, the gop ran on jobs but all they seem to care about passing is abortion and anti-gay laws-they don't give a dam about jobs in fact they even said there only job was to make sure obama was a 1 term president, but a ill informed person like you would have absolutely no idea what reality is would you?

Hey Bo?

"In the real world, Democrats have NEVER banned a firearm and Obama has repealed bans Republicans have put on firearms (Reagan's 1984 ban of openly carried handguns on Federal land)"

You had your coffee yet? If so where`ve you been the last 80 years or so?

"Democrats passed the Brady Law and the Assault Weapons Ban. We increased
federal, state, and local gun crime prosecution by 22 percent since 1992. Now
gun crime is down by 35 percent. Now we must do even more. We need mandatory
child safety locks. We should require a photo license I.D., a background check,
and a gun safety test to buy a new handgun. We support more federal gun
prosecutors and giving states and communities another 10,000 prosecutors to
fight gun crime."

Source: Democratic National Platform , Aug 15, 2000

No Michael your the dumb a.. who believes everything the Republicans say or don't do. Remember when they Republicans were elected in 2010, they promised jobs and to lower the deficit, well they have done neither and they never planned on it. Remember Mitch McConnell's famous quote, "There # 1 priority is to make Obama a one term President"

I Obama wants to your home and take your guns away, show me some proof, show me a clip where Obama actually said that, and not the NRA brain washing you instead, Michael do some research and you will find that Obama never said that, only the NRA.

You are exactly right Laura, both Mitch McConnell AND Mr. Bohner stated that they and all GOPers aim should be to make Obama a one term President. They stated that within the first 90 days of Obama's Presidency. He didn't even have a chance to use the bathroom in the Whitehouse. They had no intention of ever 'working' with Obama and the Dems. For that very reason, and as a registered Independent, I will vote for Obama...............don't care what the GOPers think as they did not care and continue to not care for the general well-being of the citizens of the United States. Sorry GOPers.....I don't have any intention of helping your close-minded agenda.

Larry, Larry, Larry...............when you 'sign-up' as a member of the NRA, they never take you off the rolls. I was a member back in high school while on the rifle team. By darn I got the pro-marksman award, sharp shooter award, expert marksman award or some such stuff and who knows maybe even the Ted Nugent award. I grew-up since then and don't feel the need to have a gun. If you are getting info from the NRA, believe me, it is politically slanted. Ted Nugent........who?? Oh, thats right, Cat Scratch Fever.

As if you democrat lemmings did'nt buy into everything your liberal media spits out,theres a word for that,and you democrats are guilty of it on a daily basis.Hypocrisy.Fox tells more truth in an hour then your lib media does in a year. Lib media does'nt report the news,they make it up.

Michael aer you referrring the "Obama can come into your house and steal your guns whenev ef rhe feeels like it billl? Yes, thta's a very serious one. DId yoy hear hear abou the gay magrrriage mandate where alll heterosexual couples willl be forced to recruit a gay man or woman into their relationship or else have their marrriage disssolved and their kids sold into Islamic slavery? Ac roN Acorn!!!! HayCOrn's comin to get your mama!!!!!!

"Not sure where your getting your Obabacare info, But as long as you have health insurance, There are NO increased taxes and/or fines."

Taxes on medical devices and medical device manufacturers, taxes on house sales, taxes on "cadilac" plans, decreased deductions for medical outlays . . ."

Bo hasn't read the ACA, and Bo don't know Jack!

Yes they're coming for your weapons and space aliens are coming for you. (Plays the twilight zone themesong.)

DKL: You're directing your comments at the wrong person. Try rereading my comments.