Horrid right wingers wishing for 40 million to be uninsured! They lie and distort and expect all to believe them like their base does!

Out with the Gop in Nov,,,ALL of them!

I'll get on that bandwagon any day. "Just say no" was Nancy Regan's answer to drugs. What is the GOP answer to? They cannot stand that a Black president could do more in three years than they could in eight. (And I'm white and was a Republican)

Well how else are they going to kill the poor off. This is exactly what they want, soon we will be like Europe, people will be selling their body parts to survive and guess who will reap the rewards, all those Old fart Republicans.

The Republicans want to repeal healthcare and re-do it. Right, they will make sure the drug companies, healthcare companies are taken care of first and we all know it. Anything to further screw the middle class into poverty.

the Republicans hope for the status of europe, 70% are destitute and the other 30% live in luxury. destroy the middle class in the US that is their ultimate goal.

they condemn socialism as a dirty word to demonize the very socialized programs that they take advantage of every day of their lives, but that is ok in their minds. where are their values ?????

According to Think Progress, Glenn Beck is selling tee shirts aimed at Chief Justice Roberts.

Glenn Beck, Sarah Palin, Ann Coulter and a cast of hundreds of others found out early that throwing raw meat to right wing ding bats is profitable. I am convinced that Palin, Beck, Hannity, etal...are probably as Liberal as they come at home, but when there is money to be made these people veer right and puke venom out of a mic or a book for money.

They also stage their "Fleece the Morons" rallies and do it that way.

Right wingers are hilariously exploitable for money, and these dupes fall for the idiot bait every time.

Wow the PUBS are spinning everything...................running SCARED

@Job1: The reason they can't give reasons against ACA is because the very foundation of the bill began with their party. What people don't seem to realize is we are already paying for socialized healthcare. It's called Medicaid, Medicare, and Social Security. Guess what? I'm paying for them out of every check I'm issued, but I have no access to them. So, between what I'm paying for private insurance and healhcare for elderly and impoverished, I could paying towards one united healthcare system that I do have access to.

I'm a registered republican but I didn't vote that way last year because I didn't want McCain/Palin as president/vice president. This year I won't vote republican because the only people they seem to care about anymore are the rich and the huge companies. They don't want to tax gas, oil or billionares but they want to fight against the working americans. I'm sorry but GOP you have lost more than enough votes based on the people you are choosing to help. The ones who don't need it.

This is going to be like FDR's new deal was. Conservatives were demonizing it and calling it socialist and now we look back and say "thank God he did that". It brought on the most prosperous time in American history.

The healthcare reform will be the same, when everyone is benefiting from it ten years down the road we're all going to say "I'm glad we have it". And once again conservatives will have to eat crow in the history books.

Here are your ObamaCare taxes you Right-wing Einsteins (Frank, Eat Dirt):

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/06/health-care-law-mandate-tax-how-many-people-affect/

The health insurance mandate upheld today by the Supreme Court will impact roughly 26 million Americans, or 8 percent of the population, according to a recent study by the Urban Institute and an independent analysis by MIT economist Jonathan Gruber, who advised both Mitt Romney and President Obama on health care law.

Those individuals will be required to obtain coverage or pay a fine starting in 2014.

Not everyone will be forced to pay out of pocket, however. Here's how it breaks down – courtesy of the Urban Institute:

– 8.1 million will be eligible for free/close-to-free insurance through expansion of Medicaid under the law.

– 10.9 million will have to purchase coverage but receive subsidies to help with premiums

– 7.3 million (2 percent of population) will not be eligible for any assistance and will simply have to buy a plan or pay the penalty.

Look at it the other way, the mandate will not directly impact most Americans. Two hundred fifty million out of 268 million non-elderly folks, or 94 percent, of Americans already have insurance coverage through an employer or the government and don't face the penalty or having to buy a new plan.

We understand that the tax thing will be your lying mantra till Nov 7th, 2012, but if you have to lie to spread your ideology manure, then maybe there is something wrong with your ideology.

@Eatdirt

So tell us, exactly what are those so called 21 new taxes that will be hitting us? I'd like to know. Please site some sources so I don't think all you're doing is parroting Rush Limpd!ck or Hannity.

@jay

You're just an angry "little fellow aren't you? You do know that all that free handout crap is just that don't you? It's what the GOP/tp tells you to get you fired up but offers zero proof of it. You really need to stop believing all those chain e-mails you get and watching Faux Nues all the time. It's all turning you teeny, tiny brain to mush.

Do your selves a favor, read a book and get a job. Stop projecting you own failings onto the rest of us. We grow tired of you.

Crystal-569996

Are you kidding me? Obamacare does nothing about the costs, and rewards the insurance companies. When the Republicans tried to add tort reform and cross border competition (which WOULD control costs) Obama said- nope, I won, get over it. It was his legend in his own mind moment and didn't want anyone to share in his limelight. It's the middle class that are going to be paying for this clusterfrick.

Crystal- President Obama negotiated with your thugs for over a year trying to get something bi-partisan. Your jackasses not only tried everything possible to slow it, stop it, or kill it, but even bragged about it. By the end, it would have been foolish to even give the repugnicans the time of day. They are lying, thieving, duplicitous traitors. To quote you, "get over it".

deborah-3074274

Wow the PUBS are spinning everything...................running SCARED

Deborah- don't underestimate these snakes. I doubt that they even know fear. They are determined to fight this thing to the death, theirs or the ACAs. This is their last hurrah. If they win in 2012, they can roll the clock back and finish what bush almost finished: us and our economy. They will be tenacious to the end and even when they have lost, they will never concede that they have lost. On the plus side, by 2016, the ACA will be in place and rolling and people will like it and better than that, the demographics for the repugnicans is like sand emptying out of an hourglass. There aren't too many elections left in that party without a serious change of heart. By 2016 or 2020, they will be all but dead. But there will be one last ferocious fight, I think. I thought racism was dealt a deathblow in 2008. Clearly, it was not. Like a wounded beast, it has fought even more viciously since 2008. We must outlast it. It won't be gone until the repugnicans join the dinosaurs and Marie Antoinette and Benedict Arnold.

Frank#'s .. .got any facts to back up that little fictional post?

GOPisextinct - excellent post with a source, thank you. I doubt anyone has actually READ any of the ACA and they just site talking points. I have explained the 2014 pre-existing condition portion to do many of my friends and family lately and now am explaining the "tax" mandate. Gah! People should READ MORE!

I do not care about Glen Beck and we need to all respect the Supreme Court and the President of the United States. All hail the Chief! That said;

So the Supreme Court has ruled that the health care bill was a tax bill after all, raising taxes on the 95% of Americans on which our President said that he would not raise taxes in any way. I guess that we Americans do not mind paying more in federal taxes even though our President promised that we would not. The President said that he would go over the health care bill, "line by line", with my congressman and that all proceedings would be broadcast on CSPAN. Does anyone know when the broadcasts are scheduled to begin?

Without conditions, the President promised that the 2012 federal deficit would not exceed 229.27 billion dollars yet according to the President's own White House, the Federal government that our President administers will miss that mark by more than 1 trillion dollars. Because the federal government is already more than 15 trillion dollars in debt, I estimate that the extra trillion dollars will end up costing the tax payers more than 9 trillion dollars to repay over the next 170 years. It is a disaster, in violation of a promise of the President and us tax payers and our descendants are going to have to pay for it.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/jun/28/republicans-ruling-focuses-election-obamas-health-/

http://fellowshipofminds.wordpress.com/2012/06/29/scotus-says-obamacare-is-just-a-tax-heres-obamacares-21-taxes/

Actually most of us look back and realize how horrible the New Deal Was, and it was on its way to bankrupting us before WWII. You dont spend your way out of recession.

Dirt

How about something that isn't a right wing BS site? You know, something that's actually credible and not dedicated to lying to people like you.

Ironically, the Supreme Court may have accomplished what the GOP could not. This situation gets more volatile when one considers Obama and his administration argued from day one the individual mandate was not a tax and continues to this very day insisting it isn't a tax.

It seems to anyone paying attention that it became a tax just long enough to pass constitutional muster, then reverted back to a fee. Considering the majority of the American people didn't like obamacare before, this decision and how it came about (declaring it to be a tax) is seen as an outrage.

This is a gift to the GOP that will keep on giving.

Obama would have been better served had this been ruled unconstitutional.

I received this text message from my friend in Wisconsin, majoring in Law:

"Liberals and centrists are willing to pay for their government benefits with taxes, you know, like highways, police, hospitals, firemen, schools, postal service, military defense, retirement help, unemployment assistance, medical help, etc. Neo-conservatives want these public benefits but don't want to pay for it in taxes. Therefore, neo-conservatives are FREELOADERS. It's costing American citizens how much of our taxpayers monies to support these FREELOADERS on the Regressive Right?"

Yesterday I speculated on whether the rightwing would claim the SCOTUS leans to the Left. I was close. They are attacking Justice Roberts as a traitor, though if they bothered to read (they hate to read and think about what they read) they would see very clearly that Roberts is as radical as Scalia and Alito.

The bottom line is; 1) rightwingers can't handle the truth, even when it comes from "their own," and 2) because they don't have a viable platform, they grasp at straws.

Oh, and the GOP/TP leaders use crap like this to raise money, because that's all they are about -- Their own jobs.

Taxes? Romney said he wants 20 percent across the board.

nwnative: The republicans want to reward the pharmicutical companies? Too late obama already made the deal with them in order to pass the insurance bill, which has nothing to do with the high cost of healthcare. The insurance bill enriches the insurance companys. Way to go!

Republicans have been screaming to the top of their lungs that they want everything done to be in agreement with the United States Constitution.

After mid-term elections, Republicans even had the Constitution read out loud for all to hear, except, Republicans themselves still didn't listen, and they are NOT listending now.

We all knew then like we are reminded right now, that Republicans don't really give a CRAP about the United States Constitution, they just want to have everything THEIR way, which is what is really unconstitutional.

Obama/Biden 2012

Wet Willy,

You are correct. Obama got his ruling his way, but he probably will be regretting it when it's labeled as a tax (even though he claims it's not).

American Girl,

What is unconstitutional about motivating people to get out and vote in November? The only way this ruling gets undone is for Republicans to motivate their base to get out and vote and win the White House and Congress.

republican / tea party = debby downers....wwaaaaaahh, call a wambulance

LMAO. Personally, I think Beck's Made in China shirts should just say "WAAAAAA!"

He sure doesn't miss an opportunity to make $$$ off the faithful, does he? I'm sure La Palin will be right on his heels with a new gimmick to shake out a few quarters for herself too. Ah, capitalism. :)

One more time --- you just can’t fix stupid.

Enraged Conservatives Threaten to Move to Canada, Where There’s No Socialized Medicine! Oh, Wait.

Erin Gloria Ryan

Today's health care decision really brought the idiot boys to the yard — and they're mad. So mad, in fact, that they've got half a mind to pack it all up and move somewhere that they'll be free of the tyranny of socialized medicine. Like Canada. Which has had socialized medicine since the late 1970's.

After news of the Affordable Care Act ruling set the internet ablaze with Important Opinions, Buzzfeed's Twitter masochists rounded up one of their signature collections of people being dumb on Twitter. This batch of dummies were incensed over the Supreme Court's ruling and were just about ready to move out of the country. Since Canada's both nearby and English-speaking, what better place for people who hate socialism to emigrate?

That'll teach Obama. Teach him good.

WE are not going to find this new unhonorable republican party, as lame, and as weak, as they are right NOW.

EVER again!

WE need to step our game up a notch. TRULY damage them.

The GOPteabagnutjobs tried their best and lost. They can't stand it... running a muck now. Hatred is consuming them and it's funny to watch. Accept it you nuts and move on.

Well they the Republicans figure if they say it enough times it will make it true, but the reality is this most necessities are where these people put their money and when Obama got into office he cut their earnings buy taking control of those necessities so of course they are going Bananas, in his next term he will really dig deep into their pockets, so lets get Obama that second term, pay back is a Bit_h.

So true Pat. Not one of the right wing people can give a reason as to why they are against heath care reform.

I'm not a right wing person, job1, but I can tell you why I am against this health care reform package.

1. The mandate. I respect the Supreme Court decision as a valid interpretation of the Constitution, but I am still very much against a law which attempts to legislate what has always been a question of personal choice in this country: whether or not to have health care insurance.
2. I've yet to see any aspect of this plan which will hold down the upward march of health care costs in this country, which currently is increasing at about double the rate of inflation and consumes between 15 & 18% of our GNP. Without some means to control medical costs plans to insure 100% of U.S. citizens are nothing but a pipe dream.

But I am not against health care reform in general, and even many conservatives know this is an imperative in our society. But it has to address the actual core problems, and not just extend the life of the current system by pumping more money into it, and that is all the mandate will accomplish.

So, in closing, I voted for Obama in 2008, and probably will do so again in November. But if the Republicans had nominated somebody who actually had something meaningful to offer on this issue, or other issues affecting our nation, I'd certainly be listening to him (or her). Unfortunately for Romney, just saying over and over again "I can do better" does not constitute a plan.

It is more important than ever the the Dems prevail in November. Get rid of Romney and the tell the Repubs that the tea party is over.

They lost plain and simple. Evan FOX couldn't admit defeat and ran headlines saying that Obamacare was ruled UnConstitutional. Now Mitt is tearing at it and forgetting that his Romneycare was the clone that Obamacare came from. Politics as usual for the republican'ts

A law which many Republicans characterized as an oppressive Obama over-reach has now in large part been given the seal of approval by the nation's highest-ranking conservative jurist.

If you actually read the opinion, and aren't just trying to spin things... that ruling was less a 'seal of approval' than a qualified pass, with much of the governments reasoning rebuked on principle, and the law barely skating through even though its obvious Robert's doesn't approve of the law in general, he just granted that the government has the Constitutional right to tax people, even if doing so isn't particularly smart or reasonable, or the tax itself is seen as oppressive.

But think whatever you want, most here seem to.

Personally, and this is coming from someone who doesn't particularly like Romney, I think yesterday's event is likely to stoke the passions of the Tea Party again, rile conservatives, make independents recoil from the Democrats, and start off another wave, even if it isn't as bad for Democrats as 2010 because so many were already wiped out back then. And it may do that even while it takes the wind out of some of the attacks groups like Occupy or the Democrats might have used against the Supreme Court, to help get their base excited for November.

To me it looks like a pyrrhic victory for Obama and the Democrats, and it doesn't even guarantee the law stays on the books, because if Romney wins in November, and the Republicans hold the House and get a bare majority in the Senate they can use the reconciliation tactics that were used to pass the law to gut it. And Romney can use the precedent Obama has set by refusing to uphold laws he doesn't personally like to simply issue an executive order giving everyone in the country a 'waiver' from the law, and not bother to hold anyone accountable to it through the Justice department.

We'll see what happens I guess.

Come on libs, let's not spike the ball now.. *snicker*

Let's face it, America is screwed despite which party is in power. With such a horribly broken congress (although today's bipartisan, congressional passing of the student loan and infrastructure bill looks promising) we will continue to spin our wheels and get nowhere.

Maybe this coming 4th of July we can ALL remember that we are ALL Americans living in a land that we ALL love despite our ideological differences.

Those of you complain about Obamacare, I guess you like the failing healthcare we have for the last 30 years, right?

Nobody said Obamacare is perfected, at least it tries to do something.

What has GOP do about all this? NADA, ZERO, NOTHING.

I don’t know what’s wrong with Republicans these days. Everything with them is politics, lies, more politics and more lies. They never do anything that might remotely benefit the country they only do things that will directly benefit them and their wealthy puppet masters………talk about a bunch of selfish jerks.

Boy, I just cannot believe how the liberals in this country think that they have won with the Supreme Court judgement. All this is going to do is to wake up the conservative majority in this country and force Obama out of the White House, put in a Republican majority in the Senate, and increase the majority in the House. I will put money on the table guaranteeing that the "Affordable Health Care Act" will be history within a few weeks into January, 2013! The hue and cry from the Occupiers and the Liberal press will be extreme and sometimes violent. Just remember the actions of the Tea Party after the Supreme Court's judgement and the violent reaction we will see from the looney left!

This administration has massively overreached into our rights and have trashed the Constitution. WE THE PEOPLE will rise up and defeat this Socialist revolution at the ballot box. I am sure that Obama and his cronies will phony up some kind of "voter fraud" to attempt to steal back the election. Just a reminder, the only verified voter intimidation that occured during the last election was the video-taped threats of New Black Party thugs against white voters. (Which, by the way, was winked at by Obama and his "Justice" Department!) The American People will rise up and state in one voice "NO MORE" to the socialists that are trying to take our rights and treasure.

before everyone claims victory,; let us exam what the court said;

first, this is a tax, not a penalty, meaning the only way to collect a tax is Thur a payroll deduction; if you do not work, there is no way to collect the tax.

Second, the states may opt out of the expanded and health exchange mandate,, meaning those on medicaid, will continue on medicaid, no change.

third, medicare receipts are very affected, their advantage coverage is eliminated, there coverage is reduced to maintenance only, there premiums will double, and they will have to purchase a very expensive supplement, or no medical units will treat them.

Fourth the entire costs will be borne by the middle class workers thru a payrool deduction cbo is working on the amount, but it appears it will be around 3.8% tax on earnings.

this was indeed a hollow victory .

BYE, bye Liberal democrats in november !!!!!

Republican lies about healthcare: (fact checked by politifact.com)

Romney -"Obamacare … means that for up to 20 million Americans, they will lose the insurance they currently have, the insurance that they like and they want to keep."

Mark Neuman -"Barack Obama and his team" are "socialists in every respect of the word."

Romney -"Obamacare adds trillions to our deficits and to our national debt."

Rush Limbaugh -"Obamacare is . . . the largest tax increase in the history of the world."

Romney -"Obamacare … means that for up to 20 million Americans, they will lose the insurance they currently have, the insurance that they like and they want to keep."

Keep lying Republicans - expect that the truth will get told with or without you.

Everybody eats FOOD every day, everybody is going to NEED food eventually; people who are poor might have to run in and steal food to survive; and tbecause of that the costs of food to those who pay will increase.

WTF is Ginsburg talking about with broccoli? I have heard 5 year old kids come up with better analogies-AND PEOPLE ECHO THS STUPIDITY! Health Care is not all we have to worry about. There are a lot of ignorant, blind followers out there. The stats that I see about our intelligence and education is definitely hitting home.

This just in-if you understand and agree with the broccoli argument then GO TO BED!! Get off your Mom/Dads' computer and dont forget to eat your brocoli!!!!

Repugnant Republican'ts can't make it.

The Republican hopes of using this to catapult them to victory faces one major issue... in a couple months people will realize that the doom and gloom, end of the world scenarios that the GOP are predicting will NOT come true.

Come August, rebates will start rolling in from insurance companies that do not meet the 80 - 85% spend on coverage threshold. That is money going back to the people.

The cost predictions will be proven false, as they do not take the savings into consideration.

And when the sky does not fall, the fickle American people will turn their attention to whatever social issue is hot at the time... my money is on gay marriage.

On top of all that, Romney has already stated that his plan involves 90% of Obamacare (everyone insured, pre-existing, children on plan, maintaining current plans, state options)... the only part that he left out is how he will pay for it (currently the mandate). Must be that "responsible, fiscal conservatism"... take the handouts while refusing to pay for it.

Thing of it is, the republicans have no alternative plan and don't plan to. They sound like fools!

The 16 trillion lb. gorilla in the room just got a few trillion larger. Guess the new taxes will cover all the new healthcare benefits? Like how well Medicare and Medicaid are doing? Obamacare is taking that money and applying it to....?

Speaker of the House John Boehner urged Republicans not to "spike the ball" when the Supreme Court spoke. He should have told them not to have a hissey!

21 taxes, that the majority do not hit workers, folks research and learn about news beforew you blindly follow what fox news says.

Because this train is leaving the station and there’s not going to be another opportunity.

Uh, it's already left the station. Romney's got his boob in a wringer because it's modeled after his reform in Mass. If the guy was smart, and I use that term loosely, he would take credit for bench testing it in his state, where I hear it's working for them. Get over it righties, we're not going back to where we were before this. Clinton tried and was shot down, Bush didn't care and was too busy playing army and spending the surplus money from the previous administration. Now, finally, this president acts on his campaign promise to reform health care and get it passed into law. Face reality, it's a defeat for those who can't handle a necessary fix for a broken program. And please, if the Republicans were so concerned, where was their plan?

If you think the republicans are screwing the middle class, just wait and see what happens if this joke continues to fulfillment. You better have your own lube, you will need it.

Dan M - you're in for a big letdown come November.

All this is going to do is to wake up the conservative majority in this country

you guys haven't slept since Nov. 2008. It's been a non stop 24/7 hate assault on this president that's everything from the sublime to the ridiculous. Face facts, there's no silent majority out there for you. The independent, or undecided, voter will respect the ruling of the SCOTUS and get real tired of your whining. Why don't you suggest to your Republican constituents and convince them to move on. Maybe work on a jobs bill, like they promised in 2010.

It increases the cost to all Americans

I don't know the if and whys but before I was playing a lot more for health care for my family. When Obama care passed my provider called me and told me I could change my plan to one that is a lot cheaper with the same coverage.

In 2009 Romney explained how the Massachusetts health care mandate worked. If the state's residents decided to forgo health insurance when they could afford it, Romney said they would face the loss of a tax exemption. In other words, they would be assessed a tax.

Now that the SCOTUS has approved of the mandate on a national level, Romney and the Republicans are opposed to what was endorsed by him only a few years ago. It is hypocritical of the GOP to oppose what they actually came up with as an idea decades ago.

It has also been noted that this "tax" won't collect interest if it isn't paid, and the IRS cannot seize anything if you don't pay it. So the freeloading Republicans who don't want to pay this "tax" penalty essentially can continue to be freeloaders.

Finally, whatever happened to personal responsibility? The Republicans keep complaining that liberals are taking advantage of others, and expect us to pay for their services. The mandate ensures that people who can pay for insurance do so, which means we are not paying higher premiums to cover the cost of their hospital visits. It sounds like the Republicans now want the rest of us to cover the cost of their medical expenses, because they are too cheap to pay for their own.

Weekend assignment

The kids filed into class Monday morning. They were all very excited.

Their weekend assignment was to sell something, then give a talk on salesmanship.

Little Sally led off. "I sold Girl Scout cookies and I made $30" she said proudly, "My sales approach was to appeal to the customer's civil spirit and I credit that approach for my obvious success."

"Very good", said the teacher.

Little Debbie was next. "I sold magazines" she said, "I made $45 and I explained to everyone that magazines would keep them up on current events."

"Very good, Debbie", said the teacher.

Eventually, it was Little Johnny's turn. The teacher held her breath. Little Johnny walked to the front of the classroom and dumped a box full of cash on the teacher's desk. "$2,467", he said.

"$2,467!" cried the teacher, "What in the world were you selling?"

"Toothbrushes", said Little Johnny.

"Toothbrushes", echoed the teacher, "How could you possibly sell enough toothbrushes to make that much money?"

"I found the busiest corner in town", said Little Johnny, "I set up a Dip & Chip stand and I gave everybody who walked by a free sample.

"They all said the same thing, "Hey, this tastes like dog poop!"

Then I would say, It is dog poop. "Wanna buy a toothbrush?"

I used the President Obama method. I gave them some crap dressed it up so it looks good, telling them it's free and then making them pay to get the bad taste out of their mouth."

Little Johnny got five stars for his assignment.

stc:

Priceless!

This is something...the republicans are unhappy becausae they did not get their way. The real problem is this....lots of complaints about the health care package that was passed...but so far, the republicans have shown us nothing at all as a replacement..just lots of lip saying nothing. Even Romney is complaining even though he passed a health care bill pretty much like the one Obama got passed..so what is his complaint ? If the republicans want the whitehouse they need to show us something...anything at all would be better than the nothing they have shown us so far. For the last 4 years the republicans have blocked everything..the question should be why...considering many of the ideas were their own ? Does beating Obama mean more than this country does ? I truely have to wonder .

If you want the SS and Medicare that you paid into all your working life eliminated or gambled in the stock market, then vote for the Republicans. Don't complain later how you have no entitlements or healthcare, because the Republican could care less with what you get. They objective is to make sure "what you don't get" and swap it with more benefits for their elite buddies and themselves.

News reported some of the peoples' comments such as: "I don't like the plan, because I can't afford the Insurance". I see the exact similar comments in the blogs. Well, hello ignorant folks, try reading the healthcare law on line or in the libraries on line! Or are you just to darn lazy and just want an excuse to whine about the Democrats/Obama, because you don't care to do the research??? Yes, some of the legalize might be at difficult to understand, but it has been said many times over on National TV, radio, and many other sources of media that the Healthcare Law will expand the Medicaid (as it stands now) to cover the lower income people earning from $14,856 to$44, 680 for individuals and $30,656 to $92, 200 for a family of four (based on current poverty guidelines). Those falling inside the above categories will receive financial aide from the Govt. to pay for their health insurance plan, provided that you and your State accept this National Healthcare/Insurance Law. It is your choice to deny the healthcare law, and your choice to select the health plan needed for you. If your State or you should deny the National Healthcare Law by refusing to join in, then you will not receive any healthcare financial assistance. Also, if you or your State should choose not to accept the program, then you will pay the tax fee to the dear ole IRS. And quite possibly, there will be no Hospital ER room visits as well (but I'm not 100% sure about that particular fact at this time). ID's and proof of insurance will be required. No health plan, no Government financial assistance, and you will not be able to sign up for the financial assistance once you should become sick. So logically thinking, if you don't want to pay this tax, then sign up for a Health Insurance Plan and have the Govt. subsidize you for the payments if you earn low income wages,, etc. Those complaining now just might be eating "crow" later. And just think about this: It was Romney's model health plan that he designed for his State of MA while serving as the Gov. And now, he claims that he will repeal this new National Law. What, did he do a lousy job with the MA Healthcare Law and now wants to change his mind about it?? Is he a lying "flip-flopper"? Does he think that healthcare is only for the wealthy? Decide for yourself, but stop the whining!!

Go to this web site:

( http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/47881894/ns/health-health_care/#.T-J6lFLhdIY )

and read this article: "Health Care Law: What you need to know now", which was published by MSNBC.COM ON June 20, 2012 .

Everyone from the young to the very old will become sick or injured in an accident at least once in their lifetime that would require some expensive medical attention. And unless you are wealthy enough to pay for any treatments, you'll be "up a creek" without any health insurance,or the proper health care. Pre-existing conditions will no longer be an excuse for denial. The doughnut hole for meds will be narrowed, etc. and the poor will be able to finally get some medical attention without always having to wait around in the ER. So stop you whining and start reading without listening to all the political hype, rumors, misleading media, and the Super Pacs' opposing campaign ads. Stop being so lazy, uninformed, and find out for yourself as to what is exactly happening with respects to this new law. Also, as with any new law, there are flaws and it will take some time to work out the kinks, or make the necessary changes to make things work smoother and more financially economical. Get your Congressmen to back a public option that would force the insurance companies to be financially competitive for keeping the prices down with the insurance fees. Also, write to your Congressmen to help fight with keeping the medical fees down (LOL!!!). Everyone, or at least 90% of ALL AMERICAN CITIZENS will finally get the healthcare that they need. The 90% of population to be offered this health plan never had it this good before. "No", I'm not an Insurance agent and "no", I'm not eligible for the National Plan; but I am covered with a health plan unless things change.

Finally, vote for those who support laws for the majority and not just for the wealthy elite with all their entitlements and tax exemptions. And I think you know which Party that is.

@Independent

The problem that the conservatives will have when they vote for Romney is that they are voting for the SAME GUY that came up with the SAME Health Care Plan.....HELLO!!!! The sad part is that most of them know it but don't care. I'm also curious what Mr. Romney will replace it with. Perhaps the SAME PLAN he did in Mass? I believe that the so called "repeal and replace" is just a front for repeal and forget. They haven't offered anything concrete to replace it with and as usual they probably will not.

As for these so called 21 taxes????? I see the talking points have been polished off and recycled. These so called "taxes" have been debunked time and time again. The myth that you will "lose" your existing coverage mind boggles me as why would you believe such a "wonderful" story as that. I mean why would they "take away" something you are required to have?????? Just asking.

Last point. It is my opinion that when the "first" false report came out that the individual mandate was stuck down, how some "republicans" and "conservatives" reacted to the news. They were overjoyed that they finally have a "real failure" they can validate for the president instead of making up a select few that have never stuck or gained traction. I still say, against my better judgment, it comes back to race and what this president has been able to achieve against the strongest opposition this country has seen period. Even Clinton didn't have this rough of a time with the likes of Newt and his defiance as speaker. Even when Clinton got caught with his pants down(literally) he wasn't disrespected nearly as much as Obama has been his 3 1/2 years in office YET still the some of the SAME posters that state that the office of the president should be respected, come out as an oxymoron by calling Obama, Obumdo or Odumber.

Say what you want about OUR President. You may call him weak and lacking of leadership and I will agree on some levels BUT when weighing the Pros and Cons of his presidency, you can't argue that he has done more good for the country with violent opposition from the right AND some in his own party in 3 1/2 years than some presidents have in 4 or 8 years. I honestly believe that if republicans were willing to work with Obama than do EVERYTHING to see him fail, this country would not only be more sound, but unemployment would be below 6%, the housing market would have stabilized and the national debt would be under control and maybe, just MAYBE paid down.

The GOP trying to turn lemons into lemon aid is an expected reaction. What is absolutely amazing AND revolting is that they have been able to control the conversation yet one more time... at a time where you would expect the conversation to be about the ACA and it's features now that it is "official". But obstructionism, lying criticism, and hate are news today, and the GOP knows it.

I can count a news agencies' challenges to lies on one hand.

yea, real funny stc. If those people didn't realize they were eating crap then they need more than a toothbrush. So here's some advice, don't quit your day job (if you have one) to go into comedy, because you'll flop like Romney.

NO one has a RIGHT to health care at the American public has to pay for with OUR HARD EARNED TAXES !!! Now the president and supreme court says you can , but it is in no way a RIGHT !!! We can help some people but not if they are LEGITIMATELY able bodied !!! TOOOOOO many slackers in our country and more coming in every day knowing how to game our system to get benefits , I see it and know how they do it , BUT SO DO THE LIBERAL DEMOCRATS , they just don't care !!!!VOTE REPUBLICAN TO TRY AND FIX OUR COUNTRY !

"I've yet to see any aspect of this plan which will hold down the upward march of health care costs in this country, which currently is increasing at about double the rate of inflation and consumes between 15 & 18% of our GNP. Without some means to control medical costs plans to insure 100% of U.S. citizens are nothing but a pipe dream."

Well there you go somthing for the party of NO to work on, ACA part III, instead of this "I'll repeal" forst day BS.

We all know this isn't a perfect solution but its a start. If you don't think it's enough try bitching to the GOP that refuses to compromise or work for the American people to do something other than try to make the President look bad.

" I see it and know how they do it , BUT SO DO THE LIBERAL DEMOCRATS , they just don't care !!!!VOTE REPUBLICAN TO TRY AND FIX OUR COUNTRY !"

Ohhh those evil Lib dems!

So jhonny how are the republicans going to "Try" and fix the country? The only plan they seem to have it tax breaks for the rich.

Funny that people on here are talking about people throwing fits, as if the ruling went the other way they would be on here doing the same damn thing. Somewhere in the middle is the truth. Keep gloating about a hollow win. The state of Illinois is broke and dumping benefits for medicaid patients, not expanding benefits. We are ranked 1 out of 50 states in debt and deficits, unfunded pension plans, shutting down prisons. 26 states have already stated they will not expand medicaid, and the Supreme court upheld that the US Government cannot penalize them for doing so.

“I know many of you are angry about the Supreme Court's decision to uphold Obamacare,” said Sen. Jim DeMint, R- S.C., in a fund-raising e-mail to supporters of his Senate Conservatives Fund. “I am too. We're now living in a post-constitutional era that is destroying our country.”

So please give me more of your hard earned money! Sometimes this seems like one big giant prank..

Tell yah this frank - that line of bulls hit was EXACTLY why sarah Failin' lost any credibility with other than the teabagger crowd. The whole thing you so babblingly assert has been shown to be equivalent to OATS AFTER THEY HAVE PASSED THROUGH THE HORSE!

by the way kevin - dimwit demint is a suitable candidate for a FRONTAL LOBOTOMY

@stc1993

So you really think Mitt isn't feeding you crap?

The only alternative for the Republican Party is to actuallly cooperate with the Democrats and do the jobs they were elected to do. Unfortunately, for the country, they have been hijacked by Right WIng ideologues and willl choose to go down in flames before they willl do that.

The big lie is abundant out there in the blogasphere and the right wing is losing the battle because they are not telling the truth.
1. They point to the fact that 60% of the people surveyed oppose the plan. That may or may not be true but look at the breakdown of that number. You will find that clost to 60% of those polled do not like it because iit does not go far enough. These ar the people who want things like the single payer or more conventional national health insurance. This knocks the total down to 30%. But wait a second. Of those 30% 50% oppose it because they have an invalid position on it. Things like we all have to join a national government run HC system which is far from the truth but a right wing propogandaploy. Other things like we have to pay a penalty etc. No you do not! Only thing is you lose a tax break that all the people who do have insurance GET! Taking that numbe we visited earlier down to about 15% of those who were syrveyed that have a hard core anti Obamacare attitude which is close to the number of right wing radicals this country is unfortunate enough to have.
OBAMACARE? No it is not. This bill was in the works for 20 years before Obama became president and over 40% of it has repubican influence in it. Fact of the matter is most of that is comprised of right leaning Republicans or moderates who are no longer welcome in the radical right party who have no business even calling themselves Republicans!The ones who just failed in an Attempt to unseat Orrin Hatch a long time Republican stalwart. On that matter after what they did to lugar and tried to do to Hatch all we need to do is give that party a resounding defeat in November and the party loyalists will retake control of it and drive the radical back to their rightful minority status.
Romneycare? No because he flopped then flipped forgetting his words are out there.
Mitt Romney has lied about supporting an individual mandate in health care reform say two cable news talking heads, and he will have to face the music.

Mitt Romney and the individual mandate in the health care reform law are "kissing cousins", according to MNBC's Joe Scarborough and Lawrence O'Donnell.

When Tea Party activists and right-wing Republicans focused their distaste for the Affordable Care Act or as conservatives derisively call it, "Obamacare" on the individual mandate provision, fingers pointed to Mitt Romney for including such a provision in the state law he championed and signed when he was governor of Massachusetts.

The Romney strategy for the GOP presidential primary season has been to say that while it might have suited the citizens of his state, at that time, it isn't necessarily a good thing to require it for the other 49 and he opposes it on a federal level.

Unfortunately, another op-ed piece in the USA Today has come back to bite him. During the bitter debates on the legislation as it moved through Congress, Romney wrote:

"There’s a better way. And the lessons we learned in Massachusetts could help Washington find it. Our experience also demonstrates that getting every citizen insured doesn’t have to break the bank. First, we established incentives for those who were uninsured to buy insurance. Using tax penalties, as we did, or tax credits, as others have proposed, encourages “free riders” to take responsibility for themselves rather than pass their medical costs on to others."

In other words, the individual mandate.

And this two faced loser wants to be your president. Good luck with that...

Leroy-344013, you may not remember, or not want to, Republicans were locked out of any negations on health care. Liberals locked the doors and held all their meetings behind locked doors.

You all dont get it and have your heads so far up your you-know-whats....NOTHING IS FREE! Have you not read the 21 new taxes that are going to hit everyone of you hard(except the free loaders who dont pay into the system at all). Your wallet is going to be squeezed even more and you (all of us) will be hurting because of it. the ones who are going to be hit the hardest with the 21 new taxes will be the low and middle class incomes. That is me and the bulk of you. So go ahead, be proud of the destruction you have brought upon this once great, free country. I am so glad the world is going to end soon because it kills me knowing the amount of stupity in this world and how in just a few short years we have destroyed what our founding fathers fought so long and hard for, created and gave to us as a blessed gift.

Sorry Chesty - since your rich YOU will be paying for it..............didn't you read???

Leroy, corporations are made up of people. What? Do you think they just pop up out of thin air? They consist of people who build, run and repair oil rigs. people who cash your check at the bank. People who cook and serve your lunch or dinner at a chain restaurant. Who deliver food to the store and stock the shelves or greet you when you come in.

And yes, they also consist of CEO's, middle and lower managers and accountants.

So you're wrong. Corporations - and the people who started them did help build this country.

If someone is stupid enough to go without health insurance, then they deserve to pay a penalty. Obama calls it a penalty, the Supreme Court calls it a tax, I call it the idiot's tax. Call it whatever you want, but that is only going to happen to the idiots that don't want to buy health insurance. Hopefully, that should be a very small percentage. The hope here is that insurance rates will drop once we add millions of more people (minus the idiots, of course) to the insurance pool. Hopefully, my insurance rate won't be nearly as high as my current $1,200.00/month.

@Chesty

Stop using that name, you dishonor it. Not that you know anything about honor.

@eatdirt

Please show proof of those 21 new taxes. You keep crowing about them but don't tell us what they are or your source. Maybe you just lie. Not a surprise.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/jun/28/republicans-ruling-focuses-election-obamas-health-/

There is one for you Dennis! And that is just one....google, an amazing thing, you should check it out. Oh and because I dont think you are smart enough to figure it out, under the graph (black and white picture thingy) is an "enlarge photo" button.

http://fellowshipofminds.wordpress.com/2012/06/29/scotus-says-obamacare-is-just-a-tax-heres-obamacares-21-taxes/

And yet another one for you Dennis

Despite what the President promised, Republicans were locked out of the process of developing the health care law. Obama's reaching across the isle was with middle finger extended. The President promised that all proceedings would be broadcast on CSPAN. I am still waiting for those broadcasts to begin. The President said that he would go over the health care bill with my congressman and any other lawmaker in Washington who requested it, "line by line", and that all proceedings would be broadcast on CSPAN. I am waiting for those broadcasts to begin. I like quite a bit of what the President promised regarding the health care law but the law that was passed and signed into law by the President is not what the President promised. The Supreme court has concluded that it is a revenue bill.

I want what the President has promised the American people. All hail the Chief!

Adding that many people will not make your costs go down Effort. That is a mathematical impossibility when you consider adverse selection.

Dirt

OK, one is estimates from the House Ways and Means Committee and the other is a right wing rag. How about something from a reputable source that might be believable.

Ways and Means have no reason to want to actually be honest about anything. You know that. There are other honest folks in government that will give honest numbers.

Yes, Jay. Corporations are made up of people. Each person has one vote, whether it's the janitor or the CEO - that should be the extent of their influence on our government. However, when 1 rich guy (who makes his money off gambling casinos in Macao, for example) can contribute more than the entire rest of the country and influence government officials in his favor (anti-union legislation, anyone?), that's where we have the problem.

Actually, the ObamaCares act is a tax decrease. We are ALREADY paying for healthcare for the poor through emergency rooms. This is already a part of the taxes we pay.

Making them accept insurance allows healthcare professionals to deal with conditions before they get worse, before they get to the emergency room, and saving healthcare dollars for real problems. This is tax relief, not an additional tax.

so the democrats ram this down the throats of americans..

the taxes will be borne by the middle class

democrats are taxing the middle class

and still not solving the health care problem

get out of your liberal vacuum and wise up!

Unless you are very wealthy and/or have a very, very expensive insurance policy, the day that your own medical bills start mounting is the day that affordable healthcare always starts to stink less.

So you have to pay a penalty for not having health insurance? Tough. Even if we are staying healthy and not hanging out in doctors' offices, the rest of us pay through insurance actuarial tables hiking rates every time your unfit or unfortunate ass lands in the hospital.

Perhaps the Democrats should have marketed their platform as "insurance company reform," stressing the fact that sane people like and trust insurance companies about as much as we do drug cartels and child molesters.

If the Republican Party could promise and deliver on reining in the insurance companies and Big Pharma, that would be swell, but John Boehner will turn white first.

Leroy

Where in hades were the republicans when Obama care was being written in congress ?

Shut out of the process mostly. What the were able to do was offer amendments that corrected wrong references, bad lanquage, some cost saving ideas. But mostly, they were indeed shut out.

or...maybe the Republicans are fixin' to find out that more of us like it than don't...come November

Michael Gibson-758864 -- Have you been living under a rock or something? That old dog don't hunt no more. Everyone knows there were hundreds of Republican amendments considered and included in ACA. The most notable was the mandate, a Republican position, in an attempt to get Republican votes.

Progressives have and still are against a mandate to purchase insurance from for-profit companies. Dems wanted single payer or at least a public option. The very thing you rightwingers b!tch about is your own POS idea.

So use a little good sense and STFU about how ACA was jammed down your throats -- you don't know what you're talking about. Enough!

Redhead Ranting

If anything this has incited the right, moderates, independents and libertarians. Basically anyone who cares about freedom and individual liberties, you know the people who earn the money in this great country of ours.

So only rightwingers care about freedom and individual liberties, and this is why they want to take away women's right to choose, labor's right to organize, elections determined by voting not money, and a long list of things from warrant-less wiretaps to water-boarding and on.

And only rightwingers earn money, and this great country belongs only to rightwingers. Rightwingers who collect disability, Medicare, Social Security, unemployment, etc. are not the problem -- Just all those other folks.

People like you are the ones who are un-American. We'll be happy to show you to the door...

Republican lies about healthcare: (fact checked by politifact.com)

Romney -"Obamacare … means that for up to 20 million Americans, they will lose the insurance they currently have, the insurance that they like and they want to keep."

Mark Neuman -"Barack Obama and his team" are "socialists in every respect of the word."

Romney -"Obamacare adds trillions to our deficits and to our national debt."

Rush Limbaugh -"Obamacare is . . . the largest tax increase in the history of the world."

Romney -"Obamacare … means that for up to 20 million Americans, they will lose the insurance they currently have, the insurance that they like and they want to keep."

Keep lying Republicans - expect that the truth will get told with or without you.

Michael,

You really need to read the TOS for the vine, not only are personal attacks and name calling signs of weak, desperate mind, it's against the rules.

As for your assertion that Republicans were locked out of discussions on the healthcare act, listen, you can lie as much as you want, but that won't make it true. The Republicans were invited to the table, got the changes they wanted, then whined and complained about it.

Same thing happened with budget negotiations, they were invited, they showed up and the Republicans walked out.

Either you have an incredibly poor memory, or you just enjoy making stuff up.

Before you go making accusations about lying or making stuff up, perhaps you should do your homework. The democrats LITERALLY locked republicans out of meetings, lied about meeting times and walked out before republicans could enter. Those is the facts, so spin and twist and do whatever you do to avoid facts, but it did indeed happen and, oddly enough, it made the national news.

http://thehill.com/homenews/house/63941-democrats-lock-republicans-out-of-committee-room

"No one is running scared. We might not be all over these boards like you libs are but that's only because we have to work each day to pay for all these new taxes and continued handouts you love so much.

Seriously, do you guys get together in some chat room each morning and go over the asinine things you are going to throw out there?:

So who is getting a handout from the ACA? If anything it is taking one away.

And Lib/Dems work just as hard as you. Yeah I know shocking.

And whats with acting like the repubs have never taxed anyone? Talk about asinine things being thrown out. Yep it's totally stupid and asinine to make people that will someday need expensive medical care to get insurance so we don't have to pay for it. yep totally stupid..lol

Instead of reading FOX news talking points try reading the ACA Bill.

gee chesty - whether you approve of someone or not has the impact of a fart in a tornado.

@mygirl1

LOL

Did you read the link you posted as proof that the Dem's locked out republicans from Health care talks?

Because that artical has NOTHING to do with Health Care talks.

"Rep. Edolphus Towns (D-N.Y.) locked Republicans out of the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee room to keep them from meeting when Democrats aren’t present."
LOL

"Obamny Care" is bad. Love that quote from their own team.

BP:Perhaps you don't understand the story and how it ties into the creation of Obamacare. You obviously miss the part about republicans LITERALLY being locked out of a room, and most agree that that is indeed what happened during the debates. The Democrats had a supermajority going in and kept it until the elections of 2010.

Here, try this, it is tied in with a chronology of the HCR debates;

http://creationwiki.org/Patient_Protection_and_Affordable_Care_Act

Redhead Ranting: THANK YOU! At last, there's a Redhead on this Post with a brain. (as opposed to braindead Feisty).

Totally agree that Roberts ruling was a deliberate measure to rally the Conservative base. Calling it a Tax (now being vehemently countered by the dems and the libby left marxist sympathizers) was a brilliant move. Bye, bye, Obama!

Unless it gets repealed I think it's going to take a while to really have this fight. Let's face the facts:

1. The government controlling our healthcare system (be honest, they are going to control it even though they keep telling you that you can keep yours part of the legislation is going to put more taxes on your employer [including a 40% one for "cadillac plans" which can mean anything beyond government coverage] so they'll drop you within the next few years.

2. In order to control their growing costs (already up 33% from when they passed the law) the government is going to need to get more money from you. How? How about "sin" taxes for fast food, alcohol, smoking, etc. They are already starting to control what you have (IE- NYC no sodas above a certain size) so what makes you think they won't do more??

3. They are going to force hospitals to take the price controls/reimbursements they are offering, so we are going to see many smaller hospitals closing up shop and consolidating to survive. Don't be surprised to see doctors unionizing as well.

4. They will have to limit costs by limiting services/treatments too. So don't get old or infirm because they will have to decide at some point that you've had a good life and the costs outweigh the value of the treatment. Don't believe me? Google the Brittish nationalized healthcare system. They've had numerous reports within the last year telling of their treatment of the elderly, folks with diabeties, mental health issues, etc. It's quite an eye opener.

I could go on, but it's a beautiful Saturday so I'm going outside. Just know what you bought prior to it really kicking in and maybe we can get it repealed before it's too late.

TruePatriot-445959, I can see that you seem to like giving out false information. I was exactly right and you were exactly wrong.

VirginiaDemocrat78, you're right. I was insulted by someone and lashed back like I was a liberal. I'm very ashamed of it and I should be. I apologize to anyone I offended by my remark. It won't happen again. Acting like a liberal is shame enough for a lifetime.

Leroy-344013, where were the Republicans on obamacare/tax? They were locked out. Liberals did it all behind locked doors. That's were Republicans were. You really need to keep up.

The supreme courts decision issue is a paradox. Because the moment it was made, it made itself irrelevant by giving the congress the power to tax indefinitely. It proves that the supreme court is being politicized. Also, if you go over to CNN and see how they commended Roberts for the decision as not political, you'll see the irony of them making no mention of how his decision can be described as political the other way, 5-4 in favour of the health care law.

So basically the supreme court has made itself irrelevant by giving congress no limit in its power to tax yet the media calls it a non political move. Just goes to show you that everything HAS turned into politics and we are already in hell. Pretty hot, it's probably all related.

Well, now that we have one new 'entitlement' program for the federal government to run with their usual inefficiency, which the non-partisan Congressional Budget Office (CBO) says will cost $1.76 Trillion over the next 10 years (up from $900 Billion only 2 years ago), we have to ask a very important question;

How do we pay for it?

By the way - who do you think will get stuck with the new fine/tax?

Not the rich - they have insurance, so they are exempt.

Not the poor - they get free insurance thru Medicaid - at taxpayer expense.

That leaves - the MIDDLE CLASS.

Congratulations on that 'Change we can believe in' that you voted for.

OK - so answer this - HOW many MIDDLE CLASS are "going NAKED" (without medical insurance)? Or are you so naive as to assume that middle class means that they pick and choose what they want to insure?

Congratulations to "failure to THINK out the problem but try to sell a bulls hit answer"

canary-in-the-coal-mine "OK - so answer this - HOW many MIDDLE CLASS are "going NAKED" (without medical insurance)?"

The answer, according to Obama, is about 30 million people from the Middle Class who do not currently have health insurance but will be required to buy it now. It's not the 'poor' because they qualify for free Medicaid - at taxpayer expense. It's not the 'rich' because they already have insurance - so who's left? The Middle Class. Show me where I'm wrong - if you can.

Now consider the 'real life' issue. Obama says that these 30 million people will now be required to purchase health insurance, and they are typically those in the lower Middle Class income class that are struggling to make ends meet. If a family of 4 is struggling on an income of $30,000 per year (about $2,000 per month after payroll taxes) must now spend $10,000 per year on medical insurance (estimated cost for a family of 4), where's it going to come from? They simply cannot afford it, so now they will have to go without insurance AND be fined (about $400 in the first year, and about $2,500 in the third year).

The ironic part is that the people who will be fined (taxed) will be the very same group that voted overwhelmingly for Obama in 2008 - I guess that's what some might call 'retribution'.

Not once in the history of this country has any new entitlement come in anywhere near financial projections. ObamaCare will not be the first, as the cost of the program has been continually rising since it was passed. But then again we had to pass it to find out what was in it.

I think Democrats were hoping it would be shot down by the Supreme Court. It is an unpopular bill that has been forced upon the American people, and public opinion is still against it. ObamaCare is a poorly written bill that as people realize the affects and the actual cost, the vast majority of Americans will wonder how it ever passed.

This is what happens when political parties are highjacked by the extremists, and the Democratic party couldn't get any further left if they tried. The ultra liberals with entitlement mentality and absolutely no fiscal restraint. Democrats love to complain about unfunded wars, but government pensions and entitlement programs they started will bankrupt this country if not a another dime was spent on defense.

@EatDirt,

I'd love to read where you got your info. Please link.

Conservaturds are happy with the healthcare system the way it was, making money on peoples poor health. The mental midgets of FOX watchin morons strike again.

"FREE MARKET" health care is a failure. Fact!

where were the Republicans on obamacare/tax? They were locked out. Liberals did it all behind locked doors. That's were Republicans were. You really need to keep up.

Actually, the Republicans walked out....

Also the Republicans time and time again show their blatant hypocrisy.

THey think government should not be telling people how to manage citizen's medical care, but oh, if you're a woman they are trying to get government to tell citizen's they can not have an abortion and MUST have an internal unltra sound in states where they can.

Tim - that is not true, Harry ,"Clean Face" ,(his Mafia Bosses nick name for Him caught on FBI Tapes),Reid and His fellow socialist went behind locked doors and came up with this monstrosity,the Republicans were in fact "locked out", and just one more small point, the entire argument has been on who pays and how much,(and there are no caps on taxes), which is all the radical socialist progressives care about , how much they are going to get to take from You. All You supporters of this piece of crap have no idea what Your actual "HEALTH CARE" will be,that You bought, sight unseen, hook line and sinker,somehow I doubt it will be Brain surgery on demand, probably closer to aspirin for anything from the waist up and foot powder for anything from the waist down, but if You had any dreams of getting the same health care as Your socialist masters in Congress ,You're delusional and need to see a psychiatrist, (oops, that's probably not covered).

You lose the argument if all you can do is sarcastically tell me to go watch Fox News. You lose the argument and lose any chance that someone will read your comment if you refer to it as Faux News. You only sound petulant. And if that's all you got you have bigger problems than which news show I watch.

Or Gross Old People.

Republican lies about healthcare: (fact checked by politifact.com)

Romney -"Obamacare … means that for up to 20 million Americans, they will lose the insurance they currently have, the insurance that they like and they want to keep."

Mark Neuman -"Barack Obama and his team" are "socialists in every respect of the word."

Romney -"Obamacare adds trillions to our deficits and to our national debt."

Rush Limbaugh -"Obamacare is . . . the largest tax increase in the history of the world."

Romney -"Obamacare … means that for up to 20 million Americans, they will lose the insurance they currently have, the insurance that they like and they want to keep."

Keep lying Republicans - expect that the truth will get told with or without you.

Eric,

Politifact, like most fact checkers was founded by a left owned newspaper. I've told you this before. Look it up it's true. Instead of using someone's weak fact checking as your source, go to the source of actual numbers.

Politifact - Neutral in name only.

Between 56 & 75% of all businesses intend to drop employer plans. That is a little more than 21 Million who had health insurance who are going to lose it.

Reagan raised taxes several times because he was not a right wing idiot signing Grover Norquist's pledge against bringing in revenue to the government. Reagan was not a good president, but he was not the most awful and terrible president that George Bush was.

If you cannot afford the outrageous health insurance premiums you get socked with a tax. Reminds me of "Debtor's Prison". With insurance companies being required to accept people with preexisting conditions, without surcharge, the rates will just get higher. Employer's will cancel Plans or require more substantial employee contributions. If you are "middle class" (those who Obama has repeatedly promised to protect) with a kid or two there is no way that you can afford private insurance and will have to go without it and pay the tax. The idea that the low risk young people will buy insurance and sustain, low insurance rates, is absurd. They will go without it and pay the fine buying insurance only when the doctor gives them the bad news, which is rare. (The major risk to a young person is a car accident, but, most states require auto insurance policies to provide for "person injury protection" (medical insurance) in all auto policies written, which, we know are mandatory. Thus the auto accident threat is already covered and Obamacare is not needed). The idea that the young will subsidize old is ridiculous. The "penalty" (tax) will never be enough to do it and the penalty is where most will go -- there will never be enough funding.

I agree that the preexisting coverage issue is important and beneficial, but it is also overstated. If you lose your job and you had plan coverage, or if you had private insurance and seek to change carriers, upon showing a certificate of previous coverage, which will be provided to you, you can get other coverage, without surcharge. If you are on Medicare because of disability, Medicare is considered "previous credible coverage" for a supplemental policy. There is no reason why "previous existing conditions" should be a problem, unless, one did not carry previous insurance coverage or allowed it to lapse, or the parents of a new born were not covered. If these people can suddenly come up with the money to pay the insurance premium when they need it why were they not paying the premium all along. A new born with a birth defect can cost millions. Why should scofflaw parents get away with robbery.

Why did a majority of 26 States oppose Obamacare before the SCOTUS? They knew it was unworkable. How then did it get passed? One would think that if the Congressmen and Senators from those States would have voted against it, it would never have passed. Remember how Obama rushed the 2,600 pages through (I tried to read it and with numerous cross references to various Laws the 2,600 pages become 5,000 pages and the time expended pulling the cross references is ridiculous) and our dear Nancy said something to the effect "pass it now and read it later". The laws major points are clear but the rest of it is incomprehensible. Every law is followed by regulations. If history is any indication, we will be paying millions and millions for the writing, advertising, commenting on about 100,000 pages of regulations which will take the attorneys and accountants (money for them) years to understand so that they can advise their doctor and hospital clients.

Why did Obama repeatedly say that the "penalty" was not a "tax"? In 2008 he promised no tax increase on the middle class. Yet, before the SCOTUS his assistant Attorney General argued that the "penalty" was a "tax". Candidates lie about what they will do, we all know that, but once in office the POTUS is to speak the truth to the people and not play con man. He has pulled this repeatedly. All I want to hear is the truth.

Why were the operative provision of the Law put off to 2014, etc.? That answer is easy. If Obamacare went into effect in 2010, 2011 or 2012 and the voters looked into their wallets, Obama would lose in 2012. Just put it off to 2014 and then let the s**t hit the fan

Enough said !!

"Between 56 & 75% of all businesses intend to drop employer plans. That is a little more than 21 Million who had health insurance who are going to lose it."

So where did you get your super unbias statics from? I didn't notice any link????

If you're going to claim someones else numbers are BS because you don't agree with the place they got them then you should at least show where you got your, don't you think?

Even if it is true you do know employer plans are not free so take the money you save on you employers plan and buy your own. Beleive it or not you can actually do that TODAY! or any DAY!

marilee,

Wait until tax time when you get this -

Obamacare Employer Reporting of Insurance on W-2 ($min/takes effect Jan. 2012): Preamble to taxing health benefits on individual tax returns.

Read more: http://www.atr.org/comprehensive-list-obama-tax-hikes-a6433#ixzz1zIIlzZOJ

Sure as hell is a tax if it's reported on your W-2.

Melissa: I hope for your sake that you will one day grow old. Then, perhaps, your predjudice will diminish as the reality of the aging process takes over. Then again you may not ever get there.

People bull @!$%# if you don't want Ins then don't buy it. America wake up. These fools are telling you LIES.

when you need meds daily marilee (not that you don't now based on your rant) YOU WILL UNDERSTAND. It's going to happen... just WAIT.

What do you mean by we took in? Taxes, GNP? Hard to check facts when there not stated as what they are. Pretty typical GOP BS, make a statement which can not be verified much less understood. If the GOP wants to eliminate the deficit restore tax rates to where they were under Reagan. Since he is such a god to you. will you agree to that?They rates must be right, since that is what Ronny wanted.

When the government takes in revenue isn't that in the form of taxes?Ultimately Reagan raised taxes more then he cut them. Depending on the search I find between 8-11 times. It's hard to raise revenue when you lower taxes like Bush did. You can't raise the amount of revenue no matter who you are without raising the tax base. Am I wrong? What I got a laugh out of was how many of you on the right said you were going to Canada yesterday. What with their socialist health care and extreme taxes LOL

Bj, it's not hard to raise revenue when you lower taxes like Bush did.

Between 2003 and 2007, after the Bush tax cuts, federal revenue increased at the fastest rate in the history of the United States, from 1.7 trillion in 2003 to 2.5 trillion in 2007, about a 50% increase in 4 years.

Yeah Clinton left a surplus and Bush and his Republicans Turned it one of the largest deficits we ever had do your research.

I love Republican math......................Reagan took what in??? You better go visit the history books again.....

Do your research there, Mike. It was a PROJECTED (that means it wasn't real. just what they thought would be there.) $115 billion surplus by the GAO in 1998. Prior to the 2000 election it was revised downward to a deficit following the dot com bubble burst.

ChestyPuller

Bj, it's not hard to raise revenue when you lower taxes like Bush did.

Between 2003 and 2007, after the Bush tax cuts, federal revenue increased at the fastest rate in the history of the United States, from 1.7 trillion in 2003 to 2.5 trillion in 2007, about a 50% increase in 4 years.

Your source? And what was 2008? What was it the year the grim reaper finally came calling for bushco's accountants?

Denis Joyal,

Oh How quickly we forget!!! Regan did it with the LARGEST TAX INCREASE IN HISTORY at that time. !!!!!

Well you need not worry. The President has promised that the 2012 federal deficit will not exceed 229.27 billion dollars and despite White House predictions to the contrary, I am sure that the President will keep his promise. GITMO is still closed is it not?

It's so funny that Reagan is a god to the right wing today. If he were elected today (as a Democrat) and did exactly the same things he did in the 80's, the right wing would storm the White House and lynch him.

The right wing we have today may well be further right than any political group in the history of the United States (save the Nazi party which oddly means "National Socialism").

Too, it's not really that odd.

They nationalized the steel industry, took over companies, instituted price controls, jailed religious people, used euthanasia regularly on the helpless and mentally infirm. The socialist side is pretty easy to see.

Then of course we know about the Nationalist side, the warmongering and all.

Mike

Clinton left Bush a recession. Revenues dropped for fiscal 2001 by 61 Billion Dropping revenues is what wiped out the surpluses combined with only a $57 Billion increase.

The Bush tax cut was responsible for at most 80 Billion of the Drop in revenue in 2002 combined with an additional 80 Billion to build up for war.

BTW Democrats and Repblicans wrote the 2002 & 2003 Budgets. Republicans held the House and Democrats held the Senate for both periods when the budgets were completed. All told the two wars cost about $100 Billion in spending on Averages with 2003 being the high point costing 160 Billion.

The Bush Tax cuts started in 3 months into 2002. yes they cost 60 - 80 billion per year, but, in 2004 Revenues rose 86 Billion - almost the average for the Clinton years. 2005 Revenue rose The all time record of 230 Billion and in 2006 the Second best ever at 222 Billion more, and in 2007 the fourth best ever at 142 Billion. Those increases in revenue more than made up for the tax cuts.

What killed the economy wasn't any of Bush's policies, it was the mortgage policies and enforcement, developed and enacted before Bush became president.

thomas post 4.7

federal On budget revenues Note: Average Revenue increase during the Clinton years $89 billion per year.

1999 Rev 1.382 Tr. +77 Bil. Dem pres - Rep Congress

2000 Rev 1.544 Tr. +161.6 Bln. Dem Pres - Rep. Congress - Welfare rolls cleared. Recession Begin June Unemployment begins rising in Jan 2001

2001 Rev 1.483 Tr. -71 Bln. Dem Pres - Rep Congress 911 hits

2002 Rev 1.337 Tr. -145 Bln Rep Pres, Rep House, Rep/Dem Senate. Tax cuts begin 3 months into Fiscal year. (Jan 1, 2002)

2003 Rev 1.258 Tr. -79 Bln. Rep Pres, Rep House, Dem Senate.

2004 Rev 1.345 Tr. +87 Bln Rep Pres, Rep Congress

2005 Rev 1.576 Tr. +231 Bln. Rep. Pres, Rep Congress - #1 all time revenue increase ever. Done with NO TAXES RAISED.

2006 Rev 1.798 Tr. +222 Bln. Rep Pres, Rep Congress - #2 increase in Revenue. Done with NO TAXES RAISED.

2007 Rev 1.932 Tr. +134 Bln. Rep Pres, Rep Congress - #4 increase in Revenue. Problem - credit begins to tighten as mortgage failures begin to accelerate. Hiring slows, starting a new increase in unemployment June 2007

2008 Rev 1.865 Tr. -67 Bln. Rep Pres, Dem. Congress. Lending Stops by September and Hiring slows further and layoffs begin.

It's nice to stick things one doesn't want to take the time to understand in a nice little blame box and dump it on the first person you are told is to blame. typically the person pointing the finger has had a bigger roll in the failures and is depending upon him pointing the other guy out as the problem so the finger pointer doesn't get their share of the blame or no blame at all.

Ronald Reagan did a lot of things that would cause most Republicans to be outraged.

He raised taxes.

He gave 100% blanket amnesty to all 3 million illegals in the country at the time.

He spoke about the unfair tax codes that benefited the wealthy, even giving nearly the exact same speech as President Obama, speaking of a wealthy man that wrote to him about how his secretary paid more in taxes than he did.

It's funny, the GOP love to invoke the name of Ronald Reagan, but damn do they hate it when people cite is policies or quote his words. Ronald Reagan would be chastised by today's GOP.

Virginia Democrat.

Ronald Reagan did a lot of things that would cause most Republicans to be outraged.

He raised taxes.

The would be if they didn't know the whole story like you apparently don't.

Reagan only asked for one tax increase while president. That was for social security and Medicare/Medicaid - which were going broke.

Reagan asked for tax cuts for the business people and investors, but in return he also requested that exorbitant tax loopholes be scaled back. Some Democrats like to say this is raising taxes.

The other tax increases were pushed upon him by the Democrats when the refused to cut spending. It was a compromise tax increases for more spending cuts.

"Reagan only asked for one tax increase while president."

Wrong, wrong, wrong. From the Politifact, a Pulitzer Prize winning web site"

"...Reagan also signed off on numerous tax increases, especially when it looked as if the previous tax cuts were driving overall tax revenues below expectations.

The largest increase was the Tax Equity and Fiscal Responsibility Act of 1982, or TEFRA. It didn’t increase the top income tax rate, but it did increase tax revenues by tightening various rules. In 1983, he signed off on legislation to keep the Social Security program funded by raising payroll taxes and taxing Social Security benefits for some higher earners.

Reagan also signed laws that modestly increased taxes or tax revenues in 1984, 1985, 1986 and 1987."

Bloomberg says, "...nine of the 11 major tax laws introduced from 1982 to 1993 increased revenue."

In addition to raising taxes nine times, the Reagan administration also closed many tax loopholes in order to increase revenues, a point that is somehow lost on our current crop of selectively forgetful GOP/TP legislators.

Reality is intruding on your fantasy world again, isn't it, DB?

By the way, the Bloomberg quote extends the stretch of tax increases into the administration of George "Read My Lips" Bush. Tax increases are no stranger to Republicans.

sailcat,

It doesn't matter if reagan signed off on tax increases. What matters is that obama PUBLICLY STATED that he would not raise taxes then he does a cowardly act by trying to tell people that this healthcare crap is not a tax. If it's not a tax what the hell is it being reported on your W-2 form for? Any idiot would know that information on this form is for TAX PURPOSES.

Does this form have to be in braille for you?

"What matters is that obama PUBLICLY STATED that he would not raise taxes..."

But you were all right about the elder Bush's campaign promise, "Read my lips. No new taxes" even after he found it convenient to raise taxes once he was elected? You right wing lunatics are so hypocritical...

Reagan would never make it in the Republican party of today. He would be labeled a Moderate and the leaders of today's Republican party would crucify him.

The Budget Numbers for 2003 and 2007 from the white house website, table 1.1

http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/omb/budget/fy2013/assets/hist01z2.xls

after the Bush tax cuts revenue increased, in a 4 year period, from 1.782 Trillion in 2003 to 2.567 trillion in 2007. I went all the way back and couldn't find anything similar until I got to 1949...revenues went down for a couple years, then skyrocketed, I believe this was after the Repubs, who had Congress for a few seconds under Truman, cut FDR's insane, communist tax rates on the rich.

The Bush tax cuts resulted in a faster increase in federal revenue than under any administration going all the way back to Truman and the post-war short recession. Increased faster than under Clin-toon even though he jacked up rates (proving again, rate hikes don't increase revenue as fast as rate cuts), Carter, LJB, Kennedy, etc

Is your last name meth? Cause you are smokin something..........

Republicans = guaranteed losers!

Your candidate is a pathological liar its been proved time and time again he also made his 230 million by putting American people out of work if he wins you people deserve what you get.

Mike

You watch too many commercials......

DaveF, I appreciate your words of unification. And I am sure that Greece will bail us out son it does not matter how much the current administration runs up the debt. I am sure that we all do not mind the value of our money being taken away from us through the inflation tax. All hail the Chief!

mike - dems still trying to pin all the layoffs n Romney?

First, fact. Bain invests in companies that are in trouble and ready to close. 80% of the companies Bain has invested in are operating profitably today. Some are smaller, some are the same size, and some are growing. No other venture capital company has even come close to this good.

Second Fact. The biggest layoffs and closings took place over one year after Romney left Bain.

Third Fact. They guy at Bain that did the layoffs and closings is an Obama campain donation bundler - for Obama.

You have to wonder if Obama's economic advice is coming from his Bain Bundler!

P

The REpublicans are reaping what they've sown by hewing to a hard right ideological line. THe country has no need for them.

The Clinton years should be known as the "Whining '90s" for all the GOP bitching and moaning that drove me nuts at that time. I never thought it could get worse but I was wrong, the GOP and their TP companions have made temper tantrums into an art form.

That said, it was delightful to watch these nimrods have their obstruction handed back to them on a platter by a very conservative SCOTUS.

The United States leads the world with health care cost, does the GOP think that situation will rectify itself by doing nothing? What a bunch of maroons.

No GOP America.

DB- this is an outright lie and provably so. Post your proof.

You must still like to burn witches too. No matter, we will eventually shed you from the gene pool. We're patient.

The government is not forcing you to buy anything. You pay a penalty, much like if you choose to speed, you pay a fine. North Carolina would not support the end of slavery. Wow what a shing example to follow. Gay marriage is gooing to happen one way or another, it is just a matter of time. The other 2 biggest opponents of gay rights are Russia and Red China. So do you want them as the model for laws in the USA.

And I bet you think you honor GOD with your hate of a black man as President.

bj, don't worry, I covered myself with the parantheses that followed in case some Dems found "get the black guy" too edgy.

You are pretty pathetic as a human..................as an ahole you are great. Republicans don't know the meaning of edgy - that's too far out of the ditto head bubble.

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The toxic brew of support for gay marriage/the down economy/and health care reform now law unless he's gone should be enough to enable us to finally GET Obama. We're going to GET HIM. We're Going to GET the Black Guy!

Seek help. You are one very ill individual. May God help you becaus eI doubt anyone down here can. You are really messed up, dude.

CHesty ....You should PREFACE racist commments with ""I'm not a racist but...." That way you can post any type of moronic bigoted horspooop you want and nobody willl suspect you're a nitwit racist. Additionallly, you should preface any insults with the phrase, "No offense." That way you can calll someobdoy a dbag and they won't be offfenced. GOt that? No offfense, Dbag.

(no racist intent, no racist intent)

You can't be serious.

To Phlabbergasted (Post # 9):

To quote you:

"What a great reason to remain an illegal alien. Now the liberal democrats can share the expense of my free medical care."

Please, do get your facts straight! Everyone seeking medical care will need to supply valid ID's and their Insurance Plan provided by the company and sent to D.C. If you think the voting ID has been a problem, wait until this starts up. The ID system will become even more difficult for illegal aliens and they won't get care in the EM's, either.

You just might want to read the following article: "Health Care Law: What you need to know know", which was published by msnbc.com on June 22, 2012. The website is:

( http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/47881894/ns/health-health_care/#.T-J6lFLhdIY )

The Republicans never would have done anything like this. They talked about the individual mandate part, that was kind of a sop to Demos to stave them off from their socialized medicine fantasies.

Since you're so perplexed and all, let me clue in: rightwingers want a health care system with as little govt involvement as possible. Remember, when this was the case in the 1950's, before the failed programs Medi-Scare and Medicaid, our health care was world class (like it is now), just less costly.

You're perplexed the Republicans don't want more govt intervention...someone's not been paying attention, have they?

Actually Chester you need to check your facts. Most of what we ended up with started as republican ideas in the 90's/ As with so many things your side was for it before Obama was and then once he said oh good idea you run for cover and say oh no we never liked it. Ha. what a joke you all are.

If the republicans want less intervention why don't they support gay marriage? Why should the government be involved in who can get married. Medicare is not a failed program, there are millions of republicans using it daily. Mitt Romney the presumed republican nominee signed the law in Mass. with a mandate. Please at least use facts you can support. You are so far off base and out of touch I surprised that you use the interent. Which is a government developed and financed service. So see how hypocrtical you are. But of course that is a republican hallmark. If are health care is world class why does it rank as the most inefficient health care in the developed world?

bjbutterfli- simply not true. provide specific examples if so. Which Republicans and what bills? Hilary Clinton is/was not a Republican.

Changing marriage into involving homosexuals marrying each other is government intervention.

No govt intervention would be leaving it as is.

"our health care was world class (like it is now), just less costly"

Ummm, you do realise that America isn't even ranked in the top 10 countries in healthcare, right? Cuba - yes Cuba has better healthcare than we do.

http:// www . savethechildren.org/atf/cf/%7B9def2ebe-10ae-432c-9bd0-df91d2eba74a%7D/HEALTH-WORKER-INDEX-2011.PDF

I know facts and evidence are things that the political right likes to pretend don't exist but with technology moving like it is and people being able to get access to studies, facts and evidence with nothing more than a few mouseclicks that bubble is going to burst in about a generation or so.

no they don't. Ours is the best in the world. Our people die a couple years sooner than Euros because we're richer than 95% of Euros and we like to eat like fat pigs and die a little quicker.

If we had equivalent obesity rates as Europe, life expectancy would be identical or better.

On all other health ratings besides "access", which amounts to a penalty liberals put on America for not having their stupid socialized medicine scheme, America ranks at the very top. We get penalized because 85% are insured, not 100.

We have the best equipment and technology, bar none.

The best drug research and development (Canada and everyone else just rips off our products and makes generics), bar none.

The best doctors, bar none.

The best hospitals, bar none.

ChestyPuller - The Government is going to get involved in marriage regardless.

There are just too many gay couples fighting for unions, looking for the same spouse benefits, and wanting legal rights after their significant others pass on.

We have to grant them the same rights and priveleges as everyone else... because it isn't like they are going away.

And on the medical items...

You are correct, we do have the best, but for some reason we can't treat the same number of people as well as other countries can.

The health care system we have had doesn't work for the majority, and even I (upper middle class) still have a difficult time paying for it. It needed to change, and even if it is going to cost me a bit more in the short term, over time these changes will be a major improvement over what we had.

Your not real smart huh.

Chesty, Romney did exactly that in Mass. The last I checked, he is a Republican.

Republicans are against the Affordable Care Act because they made a decision immediately after Obama was elected to do everything in their power to ensure he was a one-term President. They put that into practice by attempting to prevent him from accomplishing anything. When he was able to take concrete steps to reform our dysfunctional health care system, something multiple Presidents from both parties have been unable to accomplish for decades, in spite of their attempts at obstruction, their strategy them became vilifying the act. The hilarious part is they then nominate as their presidential candidate the person who designed the system that Obama modelled the Affordable Care Act on in a futile attempt at bipartisanship. Now we can watch their nominee try to tap dance around the fact that it was a good idea when he enacted it and how it's a bad idea now. You can't make this stuff up!

Republicans are against the ACA because their disguise of being the party of "personal responsibility" has been torn off and they are now exposed for the freeloaders that drive up the costs for the rest of us! Why else would they be squawking so loud.

no they don't. Ours is the best in the world. Our people die a couple years sooner than Euros because we're richer than 95% of Euros and we like to eat like fat pigs and die a little quicker.

If we had equivalent obesity rates as Europe, life expectancy would be identical or better.

So what you are telling us is that Europe's health care system is able to keep Europeans less obese than the American health care system.

Wealth and obesity actually don't have anything to do with each other. Can you show any numbers that shows that richer people tend to be fatter? Is Governor Romney fat?

Yah they do, poor people in the rest of the world can't really cram their cakehole with high fat foods 24/7 like they can here.

Euros live mostly at 80% or less of our purchasing power level here in the good ole USA. Which means you spend less on food, along with everything else.

If you want the SS and Medicare that you paid into all your working life eliminated or gambled in the stock market, then vote for the Republicans. Don't complain later how you have no entitlements or healthcare, because the Republican could care less with what you get. They objective is to make sure "what you don't get" and swap it with more benefits for their elite buddies and themselves.

News reported some of the peoples' comments such as: "I don't like the plan, because I can't afford the Insurance". I see the exact similar comments in the blogs. Well, hello ignorant folks, try reading the healthcare law on line or in the libraries on line! Or are you just to darn lazy and just want an excuse to whine about the Democrats/Obama, because you don't care to do the research??? Yes, some of the legalize might be at difficult to understand, but it has been said many times over on National TV, radio, and many other sources of media that the Healthcare Law will expand the Medicaid (as it stands now) to cover the lower income people earning from $14,856 to$44, 680 for individuals and $30,656 to $92, 200 for a family of four (based on current poverty guidelines). Those falling inside the above categories will receive financial aide from the Govt. to pay for their health insurance plan, provided that you and your State accept this National Healthcare/Insurance Law. It is your choice to deny the healthcare law, and your choice to select the health plan needed for you. If your State or you should deny the National Healthcare Law by refusing to join in, then you will not receive any healthcare financial assistance. Also, if you or your State should choose not to accept the program, then you will pay the tax fee to the dear ole IRS. And quite possibly, there will be no Hospital ER room visits as well (but I'm not 100% sure about that particular fact at this time). ID's and proof of insurance will be required. No health plan, no Government financial assistance, and you will not be able to sign up for the financial assistance once you should become sick. So logically thinking, if you don't want to pay this tax, then sign up for a Health Insurance Plan and have the Govt. subsidize you for the payments if you earn low income wages,, etc. Those complaining now just might be eating "crow" later. And just think about this: It was Romney's model health plan that he designed for his State of MA while serving as the Gov. And now, he claims that he will repeal this new National Law. What, did he do a lousy job with the MA Healthcare Law and now wants to change his mind about it?? Is he a lying "flip-flopper"? Does he think that healthcare is only for the wealthy? Decide for yourself, but stop the whining!!

Go to this web site:

( http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/47881894/ns/health-health_care/#.T-J6lFLhdIY )

and read this article: "Health Care Law: What you need to know now", which was published by MSNBC.COM ON June 20, 2012 .

Everyone from the young to the very old will become sick or injured in an accident at least once in their lifetime that would require some expensive medical attention. And unless you are wealthy enough to pay for any treatments, you'll be "up a creek" without any health insurance,or the proper health care. Pre-existing conditions will no longer be an excuse for denial. The doughnut hole for meds will be narrowed, etc. and the poor will be able to finally get some medical attention without always having to wait around in the ER. So stop you whining and start reading without listening to all the political hype, rumors, misleading media, and the Super Pacs' opposing campaign ads. Stop being so lazy, uninformed, and find out for yourself as to what is exactly happening with respects to this new law. Also, as with any new law, there are flaws and it will take some time to work out the kinks, or make the necessary changes to make things work smoother and more financially economical. Get your Congressmen to back a public option that would force the insurance companies to be financially competitive for keeping the prices down with the insurance fees. Also, write to your Congressmen to help fight with keeping the medical fees down (LOL!!!). Everyone, or at least 90% of ALL AMERICAN CITIZENS will finally get the healthcare that they need. The 90% of population to be offered this health plan never had it this good before. "No", I'm not an Insurance agent and "no", I'm not eligible for the National Plan; but I am covered with a health plan unless things change.

Finally, vote for those who support laws for the majority and not just for the wealthy elite with all their entitlements and tax exemptions. And I think you know which Party that is.

sorry chesty - can the gay bulls hit - THIS is about medical coverage. DIVERSION IS NOT AN OPTION. DERAIL NOTED!

you must be one of those self-righteous christians who go to church every sunday in their bestest clothes and think of themselves as a worthy recipient into gawds kindgom.

then you go home, get behind the walls of your home and turn into a spiteful, evil, decrepid special lady.

Special lady= nasty old woman. You will special next November when Romney makes his concession speech.

When I woke in the morning, 6:00 am, it was over 2 million, by 9:00am, it was over 4 million.

kock bros are investing heavily in the plastic airhead.

Everyone knew Romney was going to outraise Obama this year - with Citizens United in place he could get all the money he wants from his millionare/billionare corporate masters to feed him, all it takes is a few ultra rich to give him a few million to make it looks substantial.

Rod_Father, it was from independent contributors, not from one individual contributer. Might want to get your facts straight before you make a stupid comment, but that's not the liberal way, is it?

if you say it is a fact then it must be a fact, lololololol.

Mitt is a lying piece of $#%!

Rod_Father, the truth is, I don't give a fuk what you, or any other liberal fool believes LOL.

The funny part is the Republicans are absolutely convinced Romney's going to win. Psychologists in red states are gonna be making money hand over fist starting November 7th. Thank goodness they'll have the chance to buy affordable healthcare to pay for it!

Apparently they haven't looked at the electoral map. Obama has a commanding, insurmountable lead. Romney would have to win every single swing state to get to 270, and unfortunately for him, Obama is leading in most of them, and his lead is increasing in these states every day.

Were the election held today, based on data from just conservative pollsters like Rasmussen Reports, the result would be:

Romney: 219 electoral votes

Obama: 319 electoral votes

It's clear, Romney has no viable path to 270.

Romney gets money from the most corrupt hateful revolting republicans. They all want no regulations, no environmental protections, more and more corruption and greed with less and less consumer protections and less to help the economy improve. The Ryan Budget that gets so much republican love adds millions to the deficit while cutting benefits to the poorest Americans but gives more huge tax cuts to the people who do not deserve them. More people with greed/profiteering will be shipping jobs overseas and another recession/depression will occur when the same policies and same people who worked in the Bush administration are right back in with Romney. He has some seriously evil people who have hate for other Americans.

Sorry, special lady. On thursday the first shoe droppped. The second is coming in NOvember. get used to it. I knew Obama would get reelectd the same way I knw Obama wold be elected when I realized McCain had chosen Sara Palin as a runnning mate. I just know things, sometimes.

Romey's backers own 99% of the wealth in America. 2.5 million would be .000001% of that so what was your point? Obama will get 10 million in this month alone or more.

You want Health Insurance ? Go buy it !!! If you want me to provide it to you, your NUTS' !!!

LOL you know the plan does that right? Everyone has to have HC insurance if you do not know that you are the nut.

Govt involvement in charity is a failed idea from the late 1800's in Europe. Let's cut our losses, end all the fatpig handout programs that the Dems can't manage, and move on.

You want Health Insurance ? Go buy it !!! If you want me to provide it to you, your NUTS' !!!

define charity

fatpig handout programs like DOD?

please illustrate how you have paid for my health insurance the past 30+ years.

The military isn't a handout program, although wasteful, they provide national security for the nation. When the Japanese bomb one of our states, they go put their lives on the line to defeat them. Like in the 40's.

People on welfare provide nothing in exchange for their handout.

I am an atheist and a conservative. The same logic I used to determine no-god is the same logic I use to determine fiscal conservatism is the best.

Republicans realize that insurance companies evaluate risk. That is their function. Once they are no longer allowed to do so, then their business models fail. If that model fails, then the only "insurance" there will be government insurance. We'd rather not have our health managed by the same folks who manage the Post Office (do some research about how effective that program is.)

Please expand on your "logic" concerning this law.

so you want bain capital and bain insurance.

you make no sense at all.

Great National defense 16 men and box cutters and the DOD did nothing to defend us.

At what point did I use the word Bain?

Once again:Get rid of the law that prevents people from buying insurance across state lines. Do not have health insurance tied to employment, or allow it to transfer if it is. Utilize medicare already in place to cover pre-existing conditions. Problem solved in 3 sentences.

Do you know what caused the post office to go down?

Dennis-2781147, are you off your meds again? That's got to be one of the most foolish things I've seen in weeks.

The Post office went down because it is run by the government. Folks who have no accountability, like a private business does.

@MikeWagner

"We'd rather not have our health managed by the same folks who manage the Post Office (do some research about how effective that program is.)"

The post office is failing because it has been made obsolete because of technology like email, skype, facebook etc..., not because it is run by the government. Your comparison is like taking an apple and saying it fails because it is not a peach.

Wrong wagner. The post office went down for 2 reasons.

5 to 6 years ago they put a person in place who tried to increase it's profitablity by offering goods for sale in the lobby's of post offices. Tried to turn their lobby's into retail outlet stores. The post office lost hundreds of millions of dollars, if not billions. The post office makes money delivering mail and they are very proficient at it.

The other issue that has doomed the post office, I believe it was pushed by Issa, is to make the pension plan solvent by having the post office put 90% of the liability owed into accounts within 1 year. Most bankruptcy restructures will give organizations 3 years to accomplish this.

The push by the Republicans is to privatize most everything that the government does today. Once private enterprise has its hands on public dollars, you can bet your taxes will go sky high.

Wait till he sees the postage cost for the private mail!

The post office is failing because it has been made obsolete because of technology like email, skype, facebook etc..., not because it is run by the government. Your comparison is like taking an apple and saying it fails because it is not a peach.

Then why are non government companies like FedEx and UPS doing so well? We still have to ship stuff, not everything can go through email. And they aren't allowed to handle first class mail. Imagine if they could, you'd get your mail much sooner and it would cost less.

The post office went down? When did that happen, and who the hell was that guy putting letters in my mailbox this morning? Should I call the police?

Republicans put a $5,000,000.00 for retirement pre-paid. Thats the problem. Dummies.

This race is anybody's game, and the more people get to know about Mitt the worse he looks. He is the epitome of an empty suit with a talking head, his stance changes with the polls and by who is throwing money at his campaign.

If you do your research the ACA was modeled on Romney's reform in Massachusettes, he is just against it now because it was introduced on a national scale by a Democrat.

The GOP would have won by a landslide had they chosen someone with a level head that could actually appeal to independant voters - someone like Huntsman, I would take him over Obama any day, but any of the other morons that were in that debacle of a primary makes me sad to call myself an American.

My approval of President Obama and all he has done for the good of the country has not changed in any way. President Obama is a good decent man who has some of the most rabidly treasonous republicans against this country and against the economy he has to deal with. The GOP has to be embarrassed to do anything that is going to help create jobs and is good for average Americans. They have to be embarrassed to vote to keep the student loan interest rate at 3 percent. What I see is that the GOP have become a very sorry bunch who have so many sorry people they are never going to get anything done for the good of the country. They are owned by the powerful and the elite and will always want war, want no taxes and want to destroy every good policy Americans count on.

We are against giving the government the power to mandate that people purchase something

Really?

I am against Tea Baggers that freeload off of decent working people that pay the taxes that pave their roads, plow their roads, maintain their sewers, cell phone satellites, police, fire, schools, courts, jails....etc.

If you freakin' disgusting America-haters don't like it here,.....leave. Go live in the woods WITHOUT the blessings that civilization can provide. And I'll wipe my a$$ with your scary, scary dip$**t little snakey flag too.

Shift for yourself like we do and work for a better country for a change.

Better spend the money on Republican led wars

edub-3853225

People get confused when something you tell them doesn't make sense. They try to put the information together, and they still can't. Now Im telling you Why!

People are, well, people, as the cliche saying goes. We are all people.

The people of the United States, the people of Utah, the people of Chesterfield, Indiana, the people of football, working people, who care about other people and the people who spend way too much time playing video games are all people. Technically, grammatically speaking, people is the plural of person. It can also mean an ethnic or national group.

If corporations have the same rights as people, we need to shut down Wall St., as we shouldn't be buying & selling them.

Corporations were given the legal rights of people for the purpose of thwarting democracy and maintaining minority rule. That was the drive behind legal strategies of railroad barons and lawyers, and it has worked well. But unlike a human being engaging in corporate crime, the corporation can't go to jail.

It's not a thing, it's just an abstraction and that's part of the reason that the strategy of corporate personhood was a brilliant one they created this artificial thing that could be endowed with any kind of powers and any kind of characteristics.

Corporations can live forever and live in many nations at once and cut off parts of themselves and this is the entity they have given legal rights and personhood to.

Another example of people not understanding the bill that they're so opinionated about.

If you don't know, you don't have a right to claim an educated opinion! "The fine for not having insurance would be a minimum of $695 per person per year, with exemptions for financial hardship and other special cases." Exemptions for financial hardship. Should I say it again? Exemptions for financial hardship. And that's if you can reasonably, not in your eyes but the government's eyes, afford it.

If you can't afford it, Medicaid, a joint federal-state program for the poor, will cover all of the poor, instead of just a few groups the way it currently does. Right now, to qualify for Medicaid, a person has to be poor and also disabled, elderly, pregnant or a child. Under the new plan, all poor adults would qualify. It's kind of like auto insurance. You have to have it. Or you shouldn't be driving.

If everyone had health insurance who could afford it, there wouldn't be so much being written off by hospitals for inability to collect, thus causing them to raise costs to cover the losses and costing us all more money.

But like I said, since you obviously don't have an understanding of it, you don't have the right to claim that your opinion shows intelligence, or even matters.

Im telling you Good About this Obamacare ,The illegal freeloaders you mentioned ,now will be Gone forever,As the requirement "Now"everyone to fill their Tax Return as on every April together with "Insurance Policy Status" to IRS.My Question is : Do you think those illegal freeloaders dare to expose themselve to IRS?

The problem now are those Legal American freeloaders who can afford it But refused to pay,by using too many execuses, what I mean, are those hypocrites, a burden, to other paying American Citizens.

Jack,

I have to agree with you. Citizens versus United is the supreme court declaring the death of our constitution which begins with the words "We the people.."

It is the single most devastating assault on democracy by the oligarchy in US history. And sadly, it went almost unnoticed by most.

@GOPisextinct,

Really?

I am against Tea Baggers that freeload off of decent working people that pay the taxes that pave their roads, plow their roads, maintain their sewers, cell phone satellites, police, fire, schools, courts, jails....etc.

If you freakin' disgusting America-haters don't like it here,.....leave. Go live in the woods WITHOUT the blessings that civilization can provide. And I'll wipe my a$$ with your scary, scary dip$**t little snakey flag too.

Shift for yourself like we do and work for a better country for a change.

Wow, I laid out a logical, factual argument supporting my views, and you come back with nothing more than a typical vitriolic, hateful, angry personal rant. Is that all you have, Mr. internet tough guy?

Do you lack the intelligence, common sense and critical thinking skills to debate me on the issues rather than just make baseless accusations and hurl insults?

Using the word "Teabaggers" only shows your childishness, and I can assure you that there are far more democrats/liberals who are "freeloaders" than conservatives like me. You see, we conservatives don't believe in freeloading.....we believe in hard work, personal responsibility and not depending on the government and taxpayers for everything we want.

Nowhere did I say I was against paying taxes for things like sewer, police, firefighters, etc. You pulled that out of your ass because you lack the skills to argue your ideology with fact, logic and reason. You are a juvenile.

Please go back to your taxpayer funded Secton 8 housing after you buy your dinner with welfare stamps. Grow up and learn to debate with factual merit instead of just hurling insults because you don't like that there are people out there like me who are sick of supporting losers like you.

YOUR AN IDIOT plain and simple. EVERYONE deserves health care personally I want a single payer system private industry has proven it cannot handle it I'm for far more government oversight of industry of every industry as we do not have enough oversite of any buisness companies only want to make money at the expense of everyone else thus no corporation can be trusted at all they are all evil all vile, the government is the only thing that can keep them in check I'd rather see the government run health care than private companies.

Tiffany,

You would really want the government to run the health care system? Only a liberal would want more government intervention in our lives...

if repealed, replaced by what?

chirp, chirp...............

Rod_Father

if repealed, replaced by what?

Perhaps a sensible alternative, one that does not tax the hell out out the working class.

chip, chip......

Rod_Father

How about replaced with nothing.

and please give specifics of said sensible alternative, as if you understand how this bill affects everyone.

chirp, chirp............

beaner I assume you are part of who make up the 80% of Americans who are clueless on how our healthcare system works.

Rod-Father:

Easy fix: Get rid of the law that prevents people from buying insurance across state lines. Do not have health insurance tied to employment, or allow it to transfer if it is. Utilize medicare already in place to cover pre-existing conditions. Problem solved in 3 sentences.

Please take back those chirps....and the 2700 pages of BS.

Go hide under your rock troll, as if you understand how this bill affects everyone.

chip, chip........

you havent answered one question beandipper.

Chirp Chirp? Common sense, less government solution.....where's your response Rod?

privatize everything is your answer?

I would rather my healthcare be provided by an inefficient bureaucracy than by a private company who is mandated by law to sell me the least they can for the highest price they can manage.

Two thirds of the people in this country don't know their a** from their elbow.

Two thirds oppose ACA? According to what poll? Last poll I saw was a 46/46 split with 8% undecided (Gallup.) Now, that poll says 83% of REPUBLICANS oppose the law, so maybe that's where you're confused, or you're one of those people that thinks only Republicans are real Americans. My guess is that it's just a lack of reading comprehension skills.

As for repealing the law, it'll never happen. I hear the Republicans of the vine saying that since part of it was deemed to be a tax (only the mandate) that 51 votes in the Senate would do it, however, they fail to remember one of the GOP's favorite tools, the filibuster.

The simple fact is that the mandate is the only part that could be repealed, again, thanks to the filibuster, it'll never happen. Of course, the GOP taking over the Senate is still a very unlikely scenario.

Sen. Jim DeMint, R- S.C., in a fund-raising e-mail to supporters of his Senate Conservatives Fund."THe time for overheated rhetoric is here."

Sen Jim DeMint, R-S.C. and all Sen. and Rep needs their Insurance taken by AMERICAN People. Dumb A@s.

Good call, Mike.

Simplest fix - go to single payer not for profit heathcare system like Germany or Switzerland, 2 of the top 5 countries for heathcare in the world.

And does your friend pay these people a livable wage or just the $2.50 an hour he is required to pay wait staff and hope they get tips? Does he provide healthcare or enough wages to cover their own plan? Have you checked out what healthcare costs for individuals to purchase on their own? If you buy healthcare from a national company, why would you need a law to buy across state lines? Small business is great and I seek out mom and pop gigs but this just adds to the problem. Conservatives even want to do away with the minimum wage. I heard that wall mart sends their people down to the indigent programs so they don't have to pay benefits for their part time (39.5 hours) people and they made how many billions last year?

grumpy,

No his friend does none of those things, but he does drive a new Mercedes.

eDub and Mike Wagner - you two are a breath of fresh air. It's shocking to see reason on these pages.

Thanks for being not only respectful but also patient enough to try to explain the situation for people who want to understand it rather than just say nasty to things to one another.

Thanks, redhead......there is so much vitriolic hatefullness on here coming from mental midgets like GOPisextinct, sometimes it's hard to comprehend how people like him (her?) are able to function every day, especially in a social aspect.

What's ironic is how people like him claim to be so tolerant and accepting of others but spew venom at people with whom he disagrees. It's really sad that those like him have such little control over their emotions, and emotions is exactly what they let control their thinking process, rather than using their brain.

I admit that sometimes I get angry on here and say things that are a little sharp, but I don't hurl baseless, hateful, vitriol like he did. It just proves that he has nothing to argue with. It's like when you take away a toy from a child.......there's nothing they can do about it so they pitch a temper tantrum.

Anyways, you take care and shoot me an email through the vine anytime. I got your friend request.......just accepted.....thanks!!!

Dumb A@s post MIKE.

I don't think it has anything to do with Obamacare. Rules about companies giving benefits to employees above a certain size existed long before Obamacare.

edub,

Excellent post! I agree with Redhead Ranting. It is refreshing to see someone that posts logical insightful contributions to this board. There are few too many mental misfits that get their jolly from insulting people.

Have a good 4th!

I disagree, but then I always put people before businesses.

Baja,

Perhaps you would rather him not employ anyone? Perhaps it might become too expensive to keep his employees and would have to lay them off? How does that benefit anyone?

your lack of knowledge of how our 3 branches of government work is amazing. My guess, you done gradiated the 5th grade this past spring.

Rod_Father

"your lack of knowledge" blah, blah, blah...

What the heck is " you done gradiated "..............

dont be coy, beandipper.

Sen. Jim DeMint, R- S.C., in a fund-raising e-mail to supporters of his Senate Conservatives Fund."THe time for overheated rhetoric is here."

Really.

If you have insurance you won't be taxed. So quit being a drain on the system and get some freakin insurance.

You already pay for the uninsured, you idiot. Every time someone shows up in an ER that doesn't carry insurance. Every time someone goes bankrupt with medical debts. Those costs come from somewhere. The difference now is, we don't have to pay for the people who COULD get insurance but choose not to only to mooch off of society later in life. If you already carry insurance, or don't make enough, you don't pay any tax.

Close enough for government work.

Denis Joyal - He had a majority, because the tea baggers were not in office yet. Remember - there was an election? Now that the truth is out about those radicals, we'll see who gets elected next.

You're right, they did. And if you look at the graphs, they show an incline in the economy. Then, you see 2010 and down, down, down those graphs go. You people are insane if you think miracles can happen in 2 years. This is why voters should only be people who are educated enough to understand basics.

God I hate this 'super majority' falsehood people keep spouting.

search for "myth of the 2008 democratic super majority." There were only 24 days when congress was in session and the democrats had 60 representatives present. The majority of the time congress was in recess or Senator Kennedy was absent due to the fact he was dying (and then he did die).

You listen to far too much Fox New or right wing talk radio.

Do you know what Medicare part D is? This is the drug program started by George Bush that specially does not allow the government to negotiate prices.

This health care bill was very hard to get through. It was hugely compromised in order to achieve something. And we did achieve something. Nearly half the country will have a shot at health insurance. If you have a preexisting condition, you can no longer be denied health insurance. People who have never put money into the system but will take services out are now forced to pay some of their fair share. That is a step forward.

Yet you being an idiot want to take it all back. Republicans have opposed this simply for political reasons. They hate the constitution concept of "to promote the general Welfare" of the people.

Ironically, the conservatives actually original proposed this system back in the 90's (look up Heritage Foundation as they wrote up a plan).

By the way, you can still by drugs from Canada and get those discounts.

So then you are for the Reagan tax rates? The other side is how much did he spend? There were deficits every year under Reagan. He also got hundreds of soldiers slaughtered in Lebanon. So not every thing was rosy under Ron.

Don't forget the Gipper removed all subsidies for clean energy that Carter put in place and doubled down on oil and coal. He even had the gaul to remove the solar panels that were put up on the white house - great job mr Reagan, you only set us back 30 years in the clean energy revolution.

Sneezy, I agree with most of what you said. Healthcare was going to and may still bankrupt our Country. ACA WAS a GOP plan, it has faults maybe too many but instead of providing solutions and using political discourse to tout and persuade the Dems to listen to the GOP version, we got nothing but rhetoric. No ideas, no solutions just complaining. I'm hopeful the GOP try a new tact now that the SCOTUS won't be their hired henchmen. In my eyes it's put up or shut up to both the Dems and the Repubs. The Country needs leaders to help shape tomorow, at least Pres Obama was willing to lay his butt out there to try and help. All I hear from Romney is he will superceed that plan with a better one of his own...Really are we that stupid? Put up or shut up.

That was easy The Democrats shut the door, leaving the Republican out of it. Only when they wanted some more scapegoats did they want the Republicans to help vote for it. Now the facts are starting to come out about it, and they are not too rosey. They still haven't gone through the whole thing yet, will probably take another 2 years to do so, before Companies, and the Taxpayers will finally find out what was in the bill, we had to ok, so we could find out what was in it.

But I thought Taco Bender Mitt said he is for Reasonable health care ????? I don't know either. But He's not worried about the poor !!!

House Ways and Means Committee. Those 21 tax increases are:

1. A 156% increase in the federal excise tax on tobacco
2. Obamacare Individual Mandate Excise Tax
3. Obamacare Employer Mandate Tax
4. Obamacare Surtax on Investment Income
5. Obamacare Excise Tax on Comprehensive Health Insurance Plans
6. Obamacare Hike in Medicare Payroll Tax
7. Obamacare Medicine Cabinet Tax
8. Obamacare HSA Withdrawal Tax Hike
9. Obamacare Flexible Spending Account Cap – aka “Special Needs Kids Tax”
10. Obamacare Tax on Medical Device Manufacturers
11. Obamacare “Haircut” for Medical Itemized Deduction from 7.5% to 10% of AGI
12. Obamacare Tax on Indoor Tanning Services
13. Obamacare elimination of tax deduction for employer-provided retirement Rx drug coverage in coordination with Medicare Part D
14. Obamacare Blue Cross/Blue Shield Tax Hike
15. Obamacare Excise Tax on Charitable Hospitals
16. Obamacare Tax on Innovator Drug Companies
17. Obamacare Tax on Health Insurers
18. Obamacare $500,000 Annual Executive Compensation Limit for Health Insurance Executives
19. Obamacare Employer Reporting of Insurance on W-2
20. Obamacare “Black liquor” tax hike
21. Obamacare Codification

Uhhh...how is #19 a "tax"? I prepare W-2s for many clients...it's just another line on the form.

A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the world's greatest civilizations has been 200 years.
Great nations rise and fall. The people go from bondage to spiritual truth, to great courage, from courage to liberty, from liberty to abundance, from abundance to selfishness, from selfishness to complacency, from complacency to apathy, from apathy to dependence, from dependence back again to bondage.
"Attributed to ALEXANDER FRASER TYTLER, LORD WOODHOUSELEE. Unverified."

I fully intend to bully you into submission, Chip.

Oh Chesty you so brave behind a key board!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You're next up for the bully beatdown.

Another good show of name calling by the left. If only they were so good with facts and consequences of bad laws.

Consequences of no health care are serious.

The Republicans will turn on their own faster than a wicked stepmother.

Joseph Lieberman, VP candidate one day, thrown out of the party the next because he was tough on national security.

road w. Lieberman didn't do any thing wrong, and he got tossed. In my openion, Bonnie Frank committed fraud and he go backed by the Black Caucus, and other Democrats. Republican turn on their own when one does someting Illegal, the Democrats, can't do that or they would all go. Look a Holder a big surprize was that 17 Democrats voted with the Republicans, no surprize was the black caucus walked out. If he was found guilty of murder they would still back him, talk about racist.

If it is a tax, Obama lied again. If it is not, the law is unconsitutional.

It was ha ha funny watching Glenn Beck blame George Bush. For what you ask? Why appointing Justice Roberts to the SCOTUS. So now he's reduced to selling Roberts t-shirts and crying on-air. A typical Republicon for sure.

Average American ... If I have health Ins. Will I Be Taxed ???

Eventually, in a way, YES. Your rates will go through the roof until the private insurers leave the market. Then your rates will go down. The only thing that will fall faster will be the quality of care you get.

They just won't call it a tax. People will just say they got "Obama-ed"

you dont know that you moron!! your just passing the hate from talk radio....scare and fear tactics from the right.Get a clue

Road Warrier,

I think Lieberman was finally thrown out because he campaigned for the other party's candidate! That seems a bit more serious to me. Wouldn't you agree that was one thing too many? He was no longer one of their own.

That's a bad example. Justice Roberts is still a Republican in thought, word, and deed. He just disagreed on this one issue.

i sincerely believe justice roberts sided with the president because he doesn't care for romney

Chip - The Republicans thought they paid and bought the Supreme Court - look at Scalia - his head is about to explode all of the times he was a guest speaker at the Koch Bros forums - and got paid for them

And look at good old Clarence Thomas - who perjured himself at his hearings - married a blowsy blonde who got $1.5 from the Koch Bros to persuade her husband to vote against this god-awful bill which will cost the billionaires a couple of peons

And then there is Kennedy - a pawn if I ever saw one - throw in Alito for good measure - no voice - just collecting the tax payers money

And Roberts betrayed all of them

Got news for you Roberts and Obama had the same professor at Harvard Law

They are the Ying and the Yang of each other and both know Constitutional Law and Obama knew what Roberts would uphold and what he would strike down - a marvelous play by our president!

Check and Mate!

And all you silly people out there do you know who benefits - you do!